November 1, 2022 • 15 mins
Norah and Dad discuss the case of the exploding pop rocks, a/k/a this year’s high school mock trial case. Norah shares how she doesn't mind having her dad as a volunteer legal advisor for this year's team (even if her friends find him scary), and they talk through the basics of this year's case.
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Dad (00:00):
hey Nora,
Norah (00:01):
Hello Dad.
Dad (00:03):
why was the chicken acquitted of murder?
Norah (00:06):
I don't know,
Dad (00:08):
Because there was no evidence of foul play.
Norah (00:12):
Boo.
Dad (00:13):
what are we gonna talk about this week?
Norah (00:15):
Today we're talking about mock trial.
Dad (00:30):
Welcome back to the Nora and Dad Show.
I am as always the dad with thebad dad jokes, otherwise known
as John, and with my lovelyco-host and daughter, not
necessarily in that order.
In that order.
Order.
Otter, uh,
Norah (00:49):
I'm Nora.
Dad (00:51):
She's Nora.
Hey Nora.
How are you?
Norah (00:54):
I'm great.
How are you?
Dad (00:55):
You know, I'm doing okay.
It was been kind of a crazyweekend cuz I was, I was Mia for
the weekend.
Norah (01:02):
Do tell
Dad (01:03):
Do well, you know where I was.
Norah (01:05):
the listeners don't
Dad (01:07):
I took a quick trip to Philadelphia to visit with
grandma and grandpa.
they were supposed to come herefor the weekend and some health
issues, precluded them fromdoing that.
And so I, got in my car and.
And drove across the state ofPennsylvania to Philadelphia to
spend a few days with grandmaand grandpa.
(01:29):
So it was a lovely weekend, butI missed you guys.
And what better way to welcomemyself home than recording an
episode of the Nora and Dadshowed.
So how the heck are you?
Norah (01:39):
I am.
I'm okay.
Dad (01:42):
You're okay?
Just okay.
Norah (01:45):
I don't know.
Allergies are kind of kicking mybutt right now.
Dad (01:48):
Yeah, we need a good, like hard freeze that's gonna get rid
of all the gunk that's in theair so we can get rid of the,
the allergies.
I'm with
Norah (01:57):
the weather's just been so inconsistent.
It's been cold and then warm.
And then cold.
And then warm.
Dad (02:02):
I hate to break it to you,
Norah (02:04):
Well, and it's cuz we're
Dad (02:05):
here's the thing.
You, you live in Cleveland
Norah (02:09):
I didn't choose that.
Okay.
That I No say in the matter
Dad (02:15):
fair point.
Very fair point.
but you live in Cleveland andfall's gonna do what fall's
gonna do in Cleveland, whichmeans it's gonna be like up and
down and up and down until itgets but freaking cold for a few
months.
Norah (02:30):
Yeah, but I don't wanna wait that.
Dad (02:33):
All right, well if, if you're in any luck, we'll have a
really brutal winter and it'llget really cold and it'll stay
cold for like four months andyour sinuses will get some
relief, until sometime in April.
Norah (02:44):
I hope, but then my No.
Cause then you get colds in thewinter, there's no solution,
Dad (02:51):
the solution is moving somewhere warm.
Norah (02:54):
but then it'll just get allergies all the time.
Dad (02:57):
Yeah.
Allergies and wildfires andhurricanes and we don't,
Norah (03:02):
like my seasons.
Dad (03:04):
we really, Yeah, we don't really have it that bad up here
weather-wise.
It's just the pollen is, Thepollen can be bad.
and then it, and then whenthere's no pollen, it's cold and
snowy, which I kind of like, butI guess other people's opinions
might vary.
I don't know.
So, we've been seeing a lot ofeach other lately because I am
(03:25):
the brand, well, not, no morebrand spanking new, but at least
new as of this year, legaladvisor for the Lake Ridge
Academy mock trial team.
So we're hanging out a lot.
Norah (03:36):
Woo.
Dad (03:38):
How do you like having your dad as.
I mean, not really mock trialcoach, but I, I mean, I guess
coach Co.
Can.
Is that a fair description,Coach?
I coach.
Norah (03:49):
coach.
Dad (03:50):
So do you like, do you like having me as coach?
Is that weird?
Norah (03:53):
I like making fun of you at practices.
That's fun,
Dad (03:56):
Yeah, we gotta work on that.
Norah (03:58):
Hey, you called me a smart ass
Dad (04:00):
How are your teammates gonna respect me if you're
always making fun?
Norah (04:05):
They, they're just scared of you,
Dad (04:07):
Why are they you?
Why are they scared of me?
Norah (04:10):
Cause you're intimidating to them.
I don't get it.
I don't think you're thatintimidating.
Dad (04:15):
we gotta work on that too, cuz I better be intimidating to
you cuz
Norah (04:19):
Well, like you're intimidating like sometimes, but
like if I just like, if youweren't my dad and I just saw
you, I don't think I'd beintimidated by.
Dad (04:26):
yeah, I wanna know, you need to ask some of your friends
like what it is about me that'sintimidating cuz I don't think
I'm all that
Norah (04:32):
Well, I think they just think everyone's intimidating.
Dad (04:35):
Like every grown
Norah (04:36):
cuz like you're like a lawyer.
So like you, you're aprofessional, like, scary
person.
Dad (04:42):
I don't just, I don't just play one part-time as a high
schooler.
I'm actually like a real honestto goodness lawyer
Norah (04:47):
Yes.
Fun fact.
Dad (04:48):
who might, Fun fact, who might actually know a thing or
two.
Yeah.
Norah (04:51):
computer's about to die, so let me do that real quick.
Dad (04:54):
What.
Norah (04:55):
I've meant to plug it in, but then I forgot, and then I
just got a little notificationthat said, Your computer is
running low.
Please plug in your pc.
Dad (05:04):
Should I sing for the listeners while we're waiting
for you to plug in your
Norah (05:08):
part out.
Dad (05:09):
I could do that.
Norah (05:10):
don't think any singing needs to be sung
Dad (05:14):
No rose computers about to die while she's fixing it.
I'll eat a piece of pie.
Norah (05:27):
we're good now,
Dad (05:29):
I'm no longer feeling blue like
Norah (05:32):
stop singing now.
Dad (05:35):
Nora's computers no longer about to die.
Do we have any, do we have anylisteners?
Norah (05:40):
No, that's why.
So we should cut this out.
Dad (05:44):
I gotta hear back the song and see how it sound.
I might keep it in that might,that might be our new theme.
Music, The No's.
Computer's About to Die.
Norah (05:51):
No, I like, I put a lot of work into the theme music we
currently have.
Dad (05:55):
Theme music.
Have we ever, I know it's in theshow notes, but if we ever
mentioned on the actual podcastthat the theme music that people
hear at the beginning is anoriginal composition by our
very.
Norah (06:06):
I don't know.
Dad (06:07):
I don't know how often people read the show notes, but
yeah.
Original theme music by our veryown Nora Marie.
Um, so your, so your friends arescared of me.
That's wonderful.
I need to work on that because Idon't think I'm all that scary.
Why don't you maybe talk for aminute or two, about this year's
mock trial case.
Norah (06:27):
Is this like a quiz?
Dad (06:29):
No, God, you're not being graded.
I'll, I'll fill in the blanks.
Good.
Norah (06:34):
A tragedy has occurred at high school,
Dad (06:39):
Dump, dump.
Norah (06:40):
Trium High School.
So there's this very importantalumni breakfast and somebody,
horrible student put unbrandedpopping candy into the eggs.
Oh, no tragedy.
This is a crime.
Possibly.
(07:00):
So then there's this wholedebacle about who did it and who
didn't do it.
And um, the student bodypresident Blair thinks that the
student Stevie did it becausethey were called down for
cheating on a test and they madelike an incriminating statement
being like, Oh yes, I didsomething stupid.
However many nights ago, andthat was the night before the
(07:21):
alumni breakfast.
So then they look into StevieMoore and Stevie says more
incriminating stuff like, Oh,the door was unlocked.
How can you break into a placethat's unlocked?
Or, Oh, they'll never findevidence.
It's on my phone.
The problem is not whether ornot Stevie did or did not commit
such crime, it's whether or notStevie was a part of a custodial
(07:43):
interrogation.
Because at no point during thetime where Miranda writes right
to Stevie, cuz there was a, aschool resource officer there,
who was in when for some part ofthe questioning behind a closed
door, which could have beenintimidating to Stevie and could
have made them want to saystuff.
Other people say that it wasn'tin, you know, it wasn't an
(08:04):
interrogation.
And that's what the case is, iswhether or not, the statements
that Stevie made in the roomwith the principal, with, Blair
and with the school resourceofficer, if those should be like
suppressed for the actual likecriminal trial.
Dad (08:20):
Yeah, so was it a custodial interrogation?
Was Stevie owed their Mirandarights before being questioned
by the Dean of students and orthe school resource officer?
So the part you're playing inthe mock trial is whom?
Norah (08:37):
I'm Blair, the, uh, the student body President who dad
does not like
Dad (08:42):
The gunner.
Student body, president numbertwo in the class at Trium High
School to Stevie Conn, who'sfirst in their class.
And wants to be thevaledictorian Blair is so I'm
pulling up the witnessstatement.
Norah (08:56):
ohs.
Dad (08:56):
so, so, so, so mock trial, it's, it's a closed universe of
information.
You can only rely on theinformation that's in the actual
case file.
And Blair is, So obnoxious.
My name is be Blair.
I'm currently a junior at TriumHigh School.
I consider myself a pretty goodstudent.
(09:17):
I mean, I keep my grades up andI'm super involved in the
student organizations.
I am president of the StudentGovernment Association, which
puts me at the head of the TriumHigh School Honor Board.
I also serve as equipmentmanager and statistician for the
Trium High School
Norah (09:31):
I don't like that word.
I really hope I'm not questioned
Dad (09:34):
STA statistic.
Norah (09:36):
I thought it was stats esthetician.
I was like, she, she's like astats person.
She's in high school.
That doesn't make sense.
Dad (09:43):
Statistician keeps the stats, so wait, we're, we're
get, we're getting to the bestpart.
Ultimately, my goal is tograduate as valedictorian of my
class next year and get ascholarship to Buckeye State
University.
I'm pretty sure I can meet thatgoal.
Norah (09:58):
I know a lot of people
Dad (10:00):
Stevie Conn is the only person in my class ranked higher
than me academically.
You could say we've been rivalsince kindergarten, but I think
recently Stevie's been jealousof my success.
Outside of academicsspecifically, I am almost
certain that Stevie sabotagedthe alumni breakfast that I,
You're gonna get crucified oncross examination.
Norah (10:20):
I'm aware.
But I did last year too.
I mean, last year I was acriminal.
That was my my background.
So I think being a littleobnoxious is a lot easier to
handle.
Dad (10:30):
And then the alumni breakfast she talks about
Norah (10:32):
my grandmother's dentures cracked.
Dad (10:35):
guess I, I guess I can say she now, because you're, you're
Blair, the witnesses are, are,there's no gender to the
witnesses, so, but, so we'resupposed to use non-gendered
pronouns until, until thewitness has a pronoun.
And your pronoun is she, So, I'mgonna gender you as a she.
Norah (10:49):
Okay.
Dad (10:51):
And then she goes on about how hard she worked to put this
alumni breakfast together andhow it could really distinguish
herself from everyone else.
given the tons of importantalumni invited to the breakfast,
even some on the selection panelfor several high profile local
scholarships, and they would allknow her name.
(11:12):
It's all about networking forsuccess.
I mean, yuck.
Norah (11:16):
Okay.
Well,
Dad (11:18):
There is nothing likable about Blair at all.
Norah (11:20):
No, but witnesses don't have to be likable to give
information.
It's not like we're in front ofa jury and we're being judged
Dad (11:28):
that is true.
There is no
Norah (11:30):
in a real court case.
I don't think anyone would bringBlair.
I think it would be stupid to,but the other two witnesses we
could choose was the dean.
And then this school researchofficer, they give you three
witnesses for each side, but youcan only bring two.
And we thought the dean and theSRO brought the same
information.
So being Blair would bringsomething different.
(11:50):
Also we didn't wanna have twoauthority figures on the stand
because we're trying to provethat it was not an
interrogation.
And by only having authorityfigures, that doesn't work well
for us.
Dad (12:00):
Yeah, it's, it's an interesting, problem to decide
like who you're gonna, whoyou're gonna call, Um, Yeah,
right.
Um,
Norah (12:08):
Hey, it's, we're filming the day, or we're recording the
day before Halloween.
Dad (12:12):
Oh, we are good.
Okay.
Well, solid point.
Yeah, so it's an interestingproblem to decide who you're
gonna call because each sideonly gets two witnesses and
there are three to pick from.
Norah (12:24):
Well, also a big part of it is who you have to play what?
Characters like I, I mean, whenI was talking with my team, my
attorney was like, Well, yeah, Ithink you would just make a good
Blair, which is part of thereason why we're bringing Blair,
because I know how to talkaround bad information,
Dad (12:41):
So your team, thinks you're a snotty gunner.
Norah (12:44):
that I can play a
Dad (12:45):
Uh, that, that you can play a snotty gunner,
Norah (12:47):
did it last year.
I was the disgruntled employeewho was accused of stealing from
two restaurants and went tocourt for one of.
Dad (12:56):
thief.
Norah (12:57):
Hey, supposed thief.
Dad (12:59):
I'm glad that you don't think it's weird that I'm
coaching your team.
That makes me feel good.
Norah (13:04):
I mean, I don't really have a choice.
Well, I asked you to coach likelast year.
I said, Would you be interested?
And you
Dad (13:09):
You did, you did.
There was a, some facultyturnover and they needed some
new, some fresh blood to come inand both coach the team and
assist and, and advise, givelegal advice to the team.
And so you, you did suggest itlast year but it makes me feel
good that you don't mind havingme like, hanging out at school.
With your friends helping outwith your extracurricular
(13:30):
activities, it's, it's, I alwaysthought it'd be fun to be a
teacher, so I think it's reallycool that I get to help you guys
out.
Norah (13:36):
I mean, I think, I don't know, it's nice, I, you don't
get to complain about picking meup late anymore because you have
to stay as late as I do.
Dad (13:44):
I do have to stay as well.
I, I, yes, I do have to
Norah (13:47):
We have a more consistent time this year though.
I feel like it ends on time sofar.
It's ended early actually,
Dad (13:54):
Right now, we've been in like the teaching phase of mock
trial and we're, we're gonna ina couple weeks shift to the,
like, practicing phase of mocktrial.
And I think the times willbecome a little more fluid at
that point.
Norah (14:04):
Yeah.
Dad (14:05):
But you're feeling good with your, you're feeling good
with your witness.
We don't wanna say too much incase there are other mock trial
teams listening to the, um,
Norah (14:14):
no cheating.
Dad (14:15):
to, to the old pod.
We don't wanna give them a legup strategically by knowing like
how you're gonna portray yourwitness or what, or what you're
gonna say, or what our, what ourtheory of the case is.
But, you know, so far we've
Norah (14:27):
heavily incriminate myself and
Dad (14:29):
do that.
Yes, you're gonna, you're gonnabe like,
Norah (14:32):
at all.
Dad (14:33):
I have a confession.
I did.
Norah (14:35):
I actually hate my grandmother, and I was the one
who put pop rocks in the eggsjust so her dentures would
break.
Dad (14:42):
I will put in the show notes the.
The, link to the Ohio, c l r e,Ohio Center for Law Related
Education.
Right?
They're, they're the ones whorun mock trial in the state of
Ohio for high school students,and they put together a banger
of a four minute YouTube videointroducing this year's mock
trial case with, uh, be Blair'sgrandma's statement after she
(15:07):
bit into the pop rocks,
Norah (15:20):
I wish though Grandma was a witness.
Ugh.
I would get into costume.
Do like old makeup?
Dad (15:29):
Alright.
Nor Marie, where can people findyou?
Norah (15:33):
At Nora Marie.
Music everywhere.
Dad (15:36):
you can find me at John Hyman everywhere.
we will be back in two weekswith another episode of the old
Nora and Dad Show, Nora.
Love you
Norah (15:45):
Love you too.
hey Nora,
Norah (00:01):
Hello Dad.
Dad (00:03):
why was the chicken acquitted of murder?
Norah (00:06):
I don't know,
Dad (00:08):
Because there was no evidence of foul play.
Norah (00:12):
Boo.
Dad (00:13):
what are we gonna talk about this week?
Norah (00:15):
Today we're talking about mock trial.
Dad (00:30):
Welcome back to the Nora and Dad Show.
I am as always the dad with thebad dad jokes, otherwise known
as John, and with my lovelyco-host and daughter, not
necessarily in that order.
In that order.
Order.
Otter, uh,
Norah (00:49):
I'm Nora.
Dad (00:51):
She's Nora.
Hey Nora.
How are you?
Norah (00:54):
I'm great.
How are you?
Dad (00:55):
You know, I'm doing okay.
It was been kind of a crazyweekend cuz I was, I was Mia for
the weekend.
Norah (01:02):
Do tell
Dad (01:03):
Do well, you know where I was.
Norah (01:05):
the listeners don't
Dad (01:07):
I took a quick trip to Philadelphia to visit with
grandma and grandpa.
they were supposed to come herefor the weekend and some health
issues, precluded them fromdoing that.
And so I, got in my car and.
And drove across the state ofPennsylvania to Philadelphia to
spend a few days with grandmaand grandpa.
(01:29):
So it was a lovely weekend, butI missed you guys.
And what better way to welcomemyself home than recording an
episode of the Nora and Dadshowed.
So how the heck are you?
Norah (01:39):
I am.
I'm okay.
Dad (01:42):
You're okay?
Just okay.
Norah (01:45):
I don't know.
Allergies are kind of kicking mybutt right now.
Dad (01:48):
Yeah, we need a good, like hard freeze that's gonna get rid
of all the gunk that's in theair so we can get rid of the,
the allergies.
I'm with
Norah (01:57):
the weather's just been so inconsistent.
It's been cold and then warm.
And then cold.
And then warm.
Dad (02:02):
I hate to break it to you,
Norah (02:04):
Well, and it's cuz we're
Dad (02:05):
here's the thing.
You, you live in Cleveland
Norah (02:09):
I didn't choose that.
Okay.
That I No say in the matter
Dad (02:15):
fair point.
Very fair point.
but you live in Cleveland andfall's gonna do what fall's
gonna do in Cleveland, whichmeans it's gonna be like up and
down and up and down until itgets but freaking cold for a few
months.
Norah (02:30):
Yeah, but I don't wanna wait that.
Dad (02:33):
All right, well if, if you're in any luck, we'll have a
really brutal winter and it'llget really cold and it'll stay
cold for like four months andyour sinuses will get some
relief, until sometime in April.
Norah (02:44):
I hope, but then my No.
Cause then you get colds in thewinter, there's no solution,
Dad (02:51):
the solution is moving somewhere warm.
Norah (02:54):
but then it'll just get allergies all the time.
Dad (02:57):
Yeah.
Allergies and wildfires andhurricanes and we don't,
Norah (03:02):
like my seasons.
Dad (03:04):
we really, Yeah, we don't really have it that bad up here
weather-wise.
It's just the pollen is, Thepollen can be bad.
and then it, and then whenthere's no pollen, it's cold and
snowy, which I kind of like, butI guess other people's opinions
might vary.
I don't know.
So, we've been seeing a lot ofeach other lately because I am
(03:25):
the brand, well, not, no morebrand spanking new, but at least
new as of this year, legaladvisor for the Lake Ridge
Academy mock trial team.
So we're hanging out a lot.
Norah (03:36):
Woo.
Dad (03:38):
How do you like having your dad as.
I mean, not really mock trialcoach, but I, I mean, I guess
coach Co.
Can.
Is that a fair description,Coach?
I coach.
Norah (03:49):
coach.
Dad (03:50):
So do you like, do you like having me as coach?
Is that weird?
Norah (03:53):
I like making fun of you at practices.
That's fun,
Dad (03:56):
Yeah, we gotta work on that.
Norah (03:58):
Hey, you called me a smart ass
Dad (04:00):
How are your teammates gonna respect me if you're
always making fun?
Norah (04:05):
They, they're just scared of you,
Dad (04:07):
Why are they you?
Why are they scared of me?
Norah (04:10):
Cause you're intimidating to them.
I don't get it.
I don't think you're thatintimidating.
Dad (04:15):
we gotta work on that too, cuz I better be intimidating to
you cuz
Norah (04:19):
Well, like you're intimidating like sometimes, but
like if I just like, if youweren't my dad and I just saw
you, I don't think I'd beintimidated by.
Dad (04:26):
yeah, I wanna know, you need to ask some of your friends
like what it is about me that'sintimidating cuz I don't think
I'm all that
Norah (04:32):
Well, I think they just think everyone's intimidating.
Dad (04:35):
Like every grown
Norah (04:36):
cuz like you're like a lawyer.
So like you, you're aprofessional, like, scary
person.
Dad (04:42):
I don't just, I don't just play one part-time as a high
schooler.
I'm actually like a real honestto goodness lawyer
Norah (04:47):
Yes.
Fun fact.
Dad (04:48):
who might, Fun fact, who might actually know a thing or
two.
Yeah.
Norah (04:51):
computer's about to die, so let me do that real quick.
Dad (04:54):
What.
Norah (04:55):
I've meant to plug it in, but then I forgot, and then I
just got a little notificationthat said, Your computer is
running low.
Please plug in your pc.
Dad (05:04):
Should I sing for the listeners while we're waiting
for you to plug in your
Norah (05:08):
part out.
Dad (05:09):
I could do that.
Norah (05:10):
don't think any singing needs to be sung
Dad (05:14):
No rose computers about to die while she's fixing it.
I'll eat a piece of pie.
Norah (05:27):
we're good now,
Dad (05:29):
I'm no longer feeling blue like
Norah (05:32):
stop singing now.
Dad (05:35):
Nora's computers no longer about to die.
Do we have any, do we have anylisteners?
Norah (05:40):
No, that's why.
So we should cut this out.
Dad (05:44):
I gotta hear back the song and see how it sound.
I might keep it in that might,that might be our new theme.
Music, The No's.
Computer's About to Die.
Norah (05:51):
No, I like, I put a lot of work into the theme music we
currently have.
Dad (05:55):
Theme music.
Have we ever, I know it's in theshow notes, but if we ever
mentioned on the actual podcastthat the theme music that people
hear at the beginning is anoriginal composition by our
very.
Norah (06:06):
I don't know.
Dad (06:07):
I don't know how often people read the show notes, but
yeah.
Original theme music by our veryown Nora Marie.
Um, so your, so your friends arescared of me.
That's wonderful.
I need to work on that because Idon't think I'm all that scary.
Why don't you maybe talk for aminute or two, about this year's
mock trial case.
Norah (06:27):
Is this like a quiz?
Dad (06:29):
No, God, you're not being graded.
I'll, I'll fill in the blanks.
Good.
Norah (06:34):
A tragedy has occurred at high school,
Dad (06:39):
Dump, dump.
Norah (06:40):
Trium High School.
So there's this very importantalumni breakfast and somebody,
horrible student put unbrandedpopping candy into the eggs.
Oh, no tragedy.
This is a crime.
Possibly.
(07:00):
So then there's this wholedebacle about who did it and who
didn't do it.
And um, the student bodypresident Blair thinks that the
student Stevie did it becausethey were called down for
cheating on a test and they madelike an incriminating statement
being like, Oh yes, I didsomething stupid.
However many nights ago, andthat was the night before the
(07:21):
alumni breakfast.
So then they look into StevieMoore and Stevie says more
incriminating stuff like, Oh,the door was unlocked.
How can you break into a placethat's unlocked?
Or, Oh, they'll never findevidence.
It's on my phone.
The problem is not whether ornot Stevie did or did not commit
such crime, it's whether or notStevie was a part of a custodial
(07:43):
interrogation.
Because at no point during thetime where Miranda writes right
to Stevie, cuz there was a, aschool resource officer there,
who was in when for some part ofthe questioning behind a closed
door, which could have beenintimidating to Stevie and could
have made them want to saystuff.
Other people say that it wasn'tin, you know, it wasn't an
(08:04):
interrogation.
And that's what the case is, iswhether or not, the statements
that Stevie made in the roomwith the principal, with, Blair
and with the school resourceofficer, if those should be like
suppressed for the actual likecriminal trial.
Dad (08:20):
Yeah, so was it a custodial interrogation?
Was Stevie owed their Mirandarights before being questioned
by the Dean of students and orthe school resource officer?
So the part you're playing inthe mock trial is whom?
Norah (08:37):
I'm Blair, the, uh, the student body President who dad
does not like
Dad (08:42):
The gunner.
Student body, president numbertwo in the class at Trium High
School to Stevie Conn, who'sfirst in their class.
And wants to be thevaledictorian Blair is so I'm
pulling up the witnessstatement.
Norah (08:56):
ohs.
Dad (08:56):
so, so, so, so mock trial, it's, it's a closed universe of
information.
You can only rely on theinformation that's in the actual
case file.
And Blair is, So obnoxious.
My name is be Blair.
I'm currently a junior at TriumHigh School.
I consider myself a pretty goodstudent.
(09:17):
I mean, I keep my grades up andI'm super involved in the
student organizations.
I am president of the StudentGovernment Association, which
puts me at the head of the TriumHigh School Honor Board.
I also serve as equipmentmanager and statistician for the
Trium High School
Norah (09:31):
I don't like that word.
I really hope I'm not questioned
Dad (09:34):
STA statistic.
Norah (09:36):
I thought it was stats esthetician.
I was like, she, she's like astats person.
She's in high school.
That doesn't make sense.
Dad (09:43):
Statistician keeps the stats, so wait, we're, we're
get, we're getting to the bestpart.
Ultimately, my goal is tograduate as valedictorian of my
class next year and get ascholarship to Buckeye State
University.
I'm pretty sure I can meet thatgoal.
Norah (09:58):
I know a lot of people
Dad (10:00):
Stevie Conn is the only person in my class ranked higher
than me academically.
You could say we've been rivalsince kindergarten, but I think
recently Stevie's been jealousof my success.
Outside of academicsspecifically, I am almost
certain that Stevie sabotagedthe alumni breakfast that I,
You're gonna get crucified oncross examination.
Norah (10:20):
I'm aware.
But I did last year too.
I mean, last year I was acriminal.
That was my my background.
So I think being a littleobnoxious is a lot easier to
handle.
Dad (10:30):
And then the alumni breakfast she talks about
Norah (10:32):
my grandmother's dentures cracked.
Dad (10:35):
guess I, I guess I can say she now, because you're, you're
Blair, the witnesses are, are,there's no gender to the
witnesses, so, but, so we'resupposed to use non-gendered
pronouns until, until thewitness has a pronoun.
And your pronoun is she, So, I'mgonna gender you as a she.
Norah (10:49):
Okay.
Dad (10:51):
And then she goes on about how hard she worked to put this
alumni breakfast together andhow it could really distinguish
herself from everyone else.
given the tons of importantalumni invited to the breakfast,
even some on the selection panelfor several high profile local
scholarships, and they would allknow her name.
(11:12):
It's all about networking forsuccess.
I mean, yuck.
Norah (11:16):
Okay.
Well,
Dad (11:18):
There is nothing likable about Blair at all.
Norah (11:20):
No, but witnesses don't have to be likable to give
information.
It's not like we're in front ofa jury and we're being judged
Dad (11:28):
that is true.
There is no
Norah (11:30):
in a real court case.
I don't think anyone would bringBlair.
I think it would be stupid to,but the other two witnesses we
could choose was the dean.
And then this school researchofficer, they give you three
witnesses for each side, but youcan only bring two.
And we thought the dean and theSRO brought the same
information.
So being Blair would bringsomething different.
(11:50):
Also we didn't wanna have twoauthority figures on the stand
because we're trying to provethat it was not an
interrogation.
And by only having authorityfigures, that doesn't work well
for us.
Dad (12:00):
Yeah, it's, it's an interesting, problem to decide
like who you're gonna, whoyou're gonna call, Um, Yeah,
right.
Um,
Norah (12:08):
Hey, it's, we're filming the day, or we're recording the
day before Halloween.
Dad (12:12):
Oh, we are good.
Okay.
Well, solid point.
Yeah, so it's an interestingproblem to decide who you're
gonna call because each sideonly gets two witnesses and
there are three to pick from.
Norah (12:24):
Well, also a big part of it is who you have to play what?
Characters like I, I mean, whenI was talking with my team, my
attorney was like, Well, yeah, Ithink you would just make a good
Blair, which is part of thereason why we're bringing Blair,
because I know how to talkaround bad information,
Dad (12:41):
So your team, thinks you're a snotty gunner.
Norah (12:44):
that I can play a
Dad (12:45):
Uh, that, that you can play a snotty gunner,
Norah (12:47):
did it last year.
I was the disgruntled employeewho was accused of stealing from
two restaurants and went tocourt for one of.
Dad (12:56):
thief.
Norah (12:57):
Hey, supposed thief.
Dad (12:59):
I'm glad that you don't think it's weird that I'm
coaching your team.
That makes me feel good.
Norah (13:04):
I mean, I don't really have a choice.
Well, I asked you to coach likelast year.
I said, Would you be interested?
And you
Dad (13:09):
You did, you did.
There was a, some facultyturnover and they needed some
new, some fresh blood to come inand both coach the team and
assist and, and advise, givelegal advice to the team.
And so you, you did suggest itlast year but it makes me feel
good that you don't mind havingme like, hanging out at school.
With your friends helping outwith your extracurricular
(13:30):
activities, it's, it's, I alwaysthought it'd be fun to be a
teacher, so I think it's reallycool that I get to help you guys
out.
Norah (13:36):
I mean, I think, I don't know, it's nice, I, you don't
get to complain about picking meup late anymore because you have
to stay as late as I do.
Dad (13:44):
I do have to stay as well.
I, I, yes, I do have to
Norah (13:47):
We have a more consistent time this year though.
I feel like it ends on time sofar.
It's ended early actually,
Dad (13:54):
Right now, we've been in like the teaching phase of mock
trial and we're, we're gonna ina couple weeks shift to the,
like, practicing phase of mocktrial.
And I think the times willbecome a little more fluid at
that point.
Norah (14:04):
Yeah.
Dad (14:05):
But you're feeling good with your, you're feeling good
with your witness.
We don't wanna say too much incase there are other mock trial
teams listening to the, um,
Norah (14:14):
no cheating.
Dad (14:15):
to, to the old pod.
We don't wanna give them a legup strategically by knowing like
how you're gonna portray yourwitness or what, or what you're
gonna say, or what our, what ourtheory of the case is.
But, you know, so far we've
Norah (14:27):
heavily incriminate myself and
Dad (14:29):
do that.
Yes, you're gonna, you're gonnabe like,
Norah (14:32):
at all.
Dad (14:33):
I have a confession.
I did.
Norah (14:35):
I actually hate my grandmother, and I was the one
who put pop rocks in the eggsjust so her dentures would
break.
Dad (14:42):
I will put in the show notes the.
The, link to the Ohio, c l r e,Ohio Center for Law Related
Education.
Right?
They're, they're the ones whorun mock trial in the state of
Ohio for high school students,and they put together a banger
of a four minute YouTube videointroducing this year's mock
trial case with, uh, be Blair'sgrandma's statement after she
(15:07):
bit into the pop rocks,
Norah (15:20):
I wish though Grandma was a witness.
Ugh.
I would get into costume.
Do like old makeup?
Dad (15:29):
Alright.
Nor Marie, where can people findyou?
Norah (15:33):
At Nora Marie.
Music everywhere.
Dad (15:36):
you can find me at John Hyman everywhere.
we will be back in two weekswith another episode of the old
Nora and Dad Show, Nora.
Love you
Norah (15:45):
Love you too.
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