November 11, 2025 • 40 mins
Are dreams just random thoughts or are they personal invitations from God?
In this episode, visionary storyteller Paige Collins, founder of Icon Media Group and author of Awaken Dream Journal: Understanding God’s Voice in Your Dreams, explores how our nighttime visions can become a language of intimacy, direction, and creativity.
Paige shares her own moment of awakening the night she heard her own voice asking for interpretation and how that question launched a season of vivid encounters and divine clarity. She explains how to set a nightly tone of peace, record what you see, and interpret your unique dream language through context and prayer.
From symbols of movement and water to warnings and promises, Paige unpacks how dreams can guide our choices, fuel creativity, and reconnect us with a God who still speaks.
Beyond her work as an author, Paige Collins is a seasoned media strategist, ideator, writer, and publicist with more than 20 years of experience crafting powerful messages that move hearts and minds. She has booked hundreds of television interviews, led publicity campaigns for major films, and produced red-carpet events and press conferences. As a screenwriter, producer, and founder of Honeybee Entertainment, Paige now develops faith-driven stories for film and television that uplift and inspire.
If you’ve ever sensed that your dreams were trying to tell you something… maybe they are.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Paige Collins, what a beautiful honor to have you in
the OneStudio podcast.
I'm usually interviewing yourclients, incredible people, but
this time you're in the seat,which is so different.
And how does it feel?
SPEAKER_02 (00:14):
Listen, for you and me both, it's different.
I've spent my life helping otherpeople tell their stories and
really um share their heart withthe world.
And so to be able to sit in aseat and do that myself is
actually really fun.
And I'm enjoying it.
So thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yeah.
So other than a publicist andideator, you've also are a
screenwriter and been working onseveral different projects and
recently wrote a journal awakeabout dreams.
I'm curious to see whatencouraged you to start writing
about dreams and how did thatcome about to begin with?
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So it was probably about eightyears ago that I really started
dreaming in what I would say uhwas a God dream kind of way.
Um I've been a dreamer my wholelife, but it there was a moment
where I realized that the dreamsI was having were not random and
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it wasn't like mind clutter, youknow.
Um, I remember very clearlywaking up to the sound of my own
voice.
It actually woke me up, my ownvoice speaking, and I was asking
God for an interpretation to thedream that I had just had.
And as I woke up realizing I hadjust encountered him in a dream,
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um, I wrote it all down and Ijust began to pray into it.
And for me, it was more of justthe awareness um, he's talking
to me like this that wasfascinating.
It sort of created this, I wouldsay, like a holy curiosity in me
where um I didn't really knowwhat to do with it at the time,
but I knew it was happening.
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And so um that first dream begana season of just vivid, vivid
dreaming.
And the Lord just awakened myspirit in that way and just
began to talk to me.
Um, and he really hasn'tstopped.
I've been a dreamer ever since.
And I really um was led into aseason where I would say the
Holy Spirit, it was almost likea crash course.
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Let me teach you how tounderstand what I'm showing you.
And I felt like a student in aclassroom for several months
because I would dream and then Iwould write it down, and then I
would look at every little partof the dream, every single thing
that I remembered from thedream, I would pull out and look
at individually.
And this is just sort of theprocess that the Lord put me
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through.
Um, and it was through thatprocess where I learned how to
interpret my dream language.
Um, I believe that each of ushas a very personal dream
language with the Lord, uh, inthe same way that we might have
a very unique way ofcommunicating with our loved
ones, a unique relationship witheach of our loved ones.
I have a unique language withthe Lord in my dreams, and so
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would you, and so does everyone.
And so he uses the things of ourlives, he uses um the
relationships in our lives, um,he uses um even just the way
that we think about um littlethings, big things.
He uses all of these things ashe communicates with us in
dreams in the way that he layersin symbolism.
Um and it's just a fascinatingand I think a really, really fun
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way to connect with the Lord,um, you know, because it all
comes down to intimacy with himand really just him calling us
deeper and closer to him.
And when he conceals things andhides them in our dreams, we
then lean in to uncover and todig out the treasure that's
there.
And in that process, when we dothat with him, you know, the
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fruit of that is intimacy andcloseness.
Um, and so yeah, that's that'ssort of how I got started.
And and, you know, my process asI was led through it really
became the guts of this book,which is its equal parts, kind
of a primer in how to interpretdreams and kind of the way that
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we look at them.
But it's also a journal, whichhas some very unique features
that are specific tounderstanding our dreams.
It has specific space for you topull out objects, names, places,
and then allows you the space toactually dig in and kind of
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uncover what each of thosethings can be individually to
kind of let you form a wholepicture for what your dream
might be saying.
SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
That's a beautiful way to journal.
So you have like the colors,like you said, you can put the
title of your dream and reallytrack your dreams and be able to
interpret them further.
Um, before we go into thenitty-gritty of dreaming, I'd
love to for you to also shareyour backstory of how you even
started icon media thatrepresents some of the top
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movies, authors, and thoughtleaders in the Christian space
today.
SPEAKER_02 (05:00):
Yeah, no, that's great.
We started icon media about 14years ago, um, founded it with
my business partner and bestfriend Shannon Stowe, who has 25
years in the Christianpublishing business.
Um, I have 25 years in theindustry as well, but a little
bit of a varied background.
I dabbled in TV booking for alittle while.
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I worked at a publisher for alittle while.
Um, so we really brought kind ofour culmination of experience
into icon.
And once we launched um in 2013,we very quickly stepped into the
film and entertainment space andbegan working on feature films.
Our first feature film was alittle movie called God's Not
Dead that went on to surprise alot of people with sort of its
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success at the box office.
It was really fun to kind ofstart with a really big film.
And then from there, we workedon War Room, um I Can Only
Imagine, some of the biggerprojects that we've seen come
out of this space.
And right now we're working onthe sequel to I Can Only
Imagine.
Um, I Can Only Imagine Two,which will be in theaters in
February.
So it's been wonderful.
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It's been a great journey.
We're we're kingdom um women.
We want to honor the Lord witheverything that we do.
We pray that we're working, youknow, with integral people as
well.
And we almost always are.
Um, and so it really truly is anhonor to build a kingdom through
media and entertainment.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
And what's interesting is that uh from what
I researched, is you consideryourself um an introvert and you
deal in this really publicspace.
So how does that work?
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
Oh my goodness.
Yes, I am.
I think that I what's the wordfor if you're both?
I guess an ambivert.
An ambivert, yes, that's what Imean.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
I like need my alone time and then I need I get
really filled with being withpeople, but I need the balance
of both.
I think that's true for so manypeople.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
I I need to have quiet, I need to recharge.
Um, you know, and like we saidearlier, when you're in
publicity, your job really is topush other people in front of
the cameras and have otherpeople elevated.
And so it is a kind of nice mixof letting other people get the
spotlight because that is whereI'm comfortable in behind the
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scenes helping.
Um, my name means helper, um, asyou will find in the book,
because it has an entire listingof names and their meanings.
But I am comfortable helping,I'm comfortable behind the
scenes.
I love when other people shineand get to, you know, do what
they do well.
Um, you know, but yeah, I thinkit's it's a fun business.
So we also have a really goodtime and I love people.
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So even though I'm an introvert,I enjoy people.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
You're like, I love people.
Okay, so let's get back intodreaming.
And I love to do that.
You are a big dreamer.
Like you are not afraid to dreambig.
You have tried so many differentthings, which we'll can get into
a little bit later.
Um, but I would love to know iffor someone listening who may
not resonate, who's like, uh,what is she talking about
dreaming?
You know, I don't really havedreams.
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How can I tell the differencebetween if a dream is really
significant, what is the secretto dreaming more?
So, can you tell us a littlemore about those things?
Yes, I can.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
I love this because I had this exact conversation
with one of my best friends whoum is a book agent and happened
to agent this book.
So, as we were talking throughthe concept of the Awakened
Dream Journal, kind of what itwould include, he commented to
me, you know, I've neverdreamed.
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I'm really not a dreamer.
And my response to him was,Well, have you asked for them?
And he said, Oh, no, not really.
I haven't.
I said, Well, why don't you trythat first and then come back to
me?
So he goes and he startspraying.
He asks the Lord for dreams.
And within a couple of weeks,he's dreaming regularly.
And I love that story becauselook, the Lord says to us, ask,
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knock, and seek.
If you're not dreaming and youwant to dream, ask the Lord for
dreams and keep asking.
Um, it's really just thatsimple, right?
We're we spend a third of ourlives sleeping.
It it would make no sense forthat time to be wasted.
You know, the Lord isn't, he'snot in the business of wasting
our time.
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He wants all of us, he wantsevery part of us.
And this is a season of ourlives in the night where we can
hear clearly and not hear, butjust have adventures and see,
you know, see things that wecan't see any other time.
So I think, you know, for me, Ijust tell people ask for dreams.
If you want to dream, ask fordreams.
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Yeah, you can see like that'sit's that simple.
Just ask.
It really is.
You know, I had a party theother night, um, a book party
when the book came out, and Ihad just had a group of, you
know, family and friends there.
And I probably had fivetestimonies from that evening of
people who were not dreamers wholater that week began dreaming.
And there's something aboutbeing in proximity, um, and your
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spirit kind of opens up and andshifts posture-wise to kind of
think and consider aboutsomething maybe you haven't,
where the Lord will just comeand fill that space.
So I just would encourage, youknow, anyone who's listening, if
you want to hear from the Lordin dreams, just ask him and then
be ready to steward what it isthat he gives you and shows you.
SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
Yeah, that's so beautiful.
And also I think about this thatthrough the Bible, the number
one way that God has spoken topeople is through dreams, which
I think we don't really thinkabout often.
You think about speakingthrough, say, reading a Bible or
having someone say somethingover you or something along
those lines, right?
I think in our modern world,anyways.
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And so I love that you'vewritten this journal because
you're kind of bringing this topeople's minds of, hey, dreaming
with God is actually somethingreally big and beautiful, and
it's something that's accessibleto you as well.
So it's like, do we not want tobe connected with our divine
creator, the one who made us,the one who uh crafted us on
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purpose and for purpose, andlike really be in tune with that
and also while you're sleeping,because you're doing it anyways.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
That's right.
That's right.
And it got to the point for mewhere I can't wait to go to bed
at night because I don't knowwhat I'm gonna see.
I don't know what he's gonnashow me.
It becomes this really beautifulpart of your life that um my
desire is that people would sayyes to dreams and then be open
to receiving them and then beginthat process with the Lord of
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understanding what it is thathe's saying.
Um, because you know, he willtell you if he's showing you
something, he will tell you whatit means.
Yeah, he will reveal to you.
Just like with the prophetJeremiah, he calls Jeremiah as a
prophet.
The first thing he does is givehim a lesson in how to interpret
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what he's gonna show him.
You know, they he walks himthrough the paces, he shows him
a vision.
Jeremiah identifies what he'sseeing, he says it out loud, and
then the Lord gives him therevelation on it.
He takes him through thatprocess.
It's the very same with us,right?
Well, give us a dream, it's ourresponsibility to write it down,
to journal it, to acknowledgeit, and then to bring it back to
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him for the revelation.
And he's very consistent.
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
So, how do we tell the difference between dreams
that have meaning or dreams thatwere just like, you know,
because of indigestion orsomething that we're processing?
Because at the end at the end ofthe day, when we go to bed,
right, from what I understand inneurosciences, our thoughts and
everything is like beingorganized and filing systems
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somehow, right?
So that's part of it too, thethings that we're thought about
through the day and so forth.
So, how do you discern betweenthose two?
SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
Yeah, I think the first thing is pray before you
go to sleep, right?
So ask the Lord to clear yourmind and your heart and just to
speak in the night.
If we just do that every singlenight, that doesn't mean that
every night you're gonna have alife-changing, God-encountered
dream.
But it is one thing that we cando before we go to sleep to just
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bring it quiet.
And we can set a tone fordreaming by quieting our
spirits.
You know, I recommend a mediafast for anyone who really wants
to lean into dreaming.
I would do media fast to kind ofdeclutter your mind and what
you've seen and what you'vetaken in throughout the day.
Um, it doesn't mean that thedreams you have when you're
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consuming media are not from theLord.
It's just a helpful tool to knowthat there's a bit more of a
purity in what you're seeing inyour dreams.
So that was the first thing thatI would say.
Um, there are things we can doto set the tone for ourselves.
Um, you know, the other thingis, and and there are mixed
feelings about this, but Ibelieve that every dream is
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worth exploring and every dreamthat we have is something for us
to look at, right?
There's a difference betweenwalking into a Nordstrom and
finding a beautiful dress orgoing to a garage sale and
picking through a bunch of crapand to find like the one thing
that's cool.
So I mean, sometimes our dreamsare like that.
Sometimes they're big and boldand beautiful, and it's clear
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that there's something powerfulbeing spoken here.
And sometimes they're strangeand bizarre, and you're like,
what is this?
Is any of this worth looking at?
But what I would say is thatwrite it all down.
Write down everything that youremember.
You might be really surprised atwhat's hidden, um, even in the
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most obscure dream.
I have found that um, you know,time and time again, sometimes
what the Lord wants to show you,even if it's something you're
processing through the day,which by the way, is still worth
talking to the Lord about,right?
The little things of our day, hestill wants to be involved in
talking through those things.
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Um, it's that intimacy piece.
Sometimes he just wants toreveal what's hidden in your own
heart when you're processing thedaily tasks and fears and
thoughts and all of that.
Um, any dream, whether it's awarning or promise or a flash of
something to come, every dreamis meant for your good.
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So even in a warning dream, it'smeant for your good.
A promised dream, obviously,speaking destiny over your life
or your situation.
Um, or even if it's just kind ofrevealing something that might
be buried and hidden in thedarker places of your heart that
you haven't surrendered to him?
It's all worth exploring.
Bring it all to him, is what Iwould say.
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Um, and I think you just can'tgo wrong with that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
Yeah.
How has dreaming impacted yourlife and journaling through your
dreams in their practical sense?
Like, have have you used yourdreams?
Can you give us some examples ofthat?
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
Yeah, sure.
So um I would say, you know,I've had every kind of dream you
can possibly have.
I've had the warning dreams thathave helped me navigate chaotic
seasons.
Um I think that is one of themost profound ways that the Lord
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speaks is to show you somethingthat might seem unsettling, but
with the intention of allowingyou to feel anchored when that
season of chaos comes.
Does that make sense?
So I've seen seasons to come,not knowing when they would
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come, but some chaos.
Um, and anytime I've dreamedabout something unsettling, I I
know where I am in the dream, ismy feet are on solid ground and
I'm okay.
And that's the take home from awarning dream.
Where am I?
Am I okay?
Yes, am I taken care of?
Yes.
So when these things swirlaround me, I can feel steady and
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I can say no to fear.
Fear comes so quickly in thechaotic seasons of our lives.
Yeah, we have just seconds toeither agree with it or say no,
I'm gonna stand in faith.
And so I think one of the mostbeautiful ways that the Lord has
spoken to me is to give me anopportunity to say yes to um
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faith and confidence in whathe's doing in my life when
things around me feel chaoticthrough dreams.
So that's one way, you know,that that I have loved.
Um, you know, on the flip sideof that, promises, um, calling
me into really my destiny and mycalling in the earth, that has
all come through dreams.
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Um and that has been a reallybeautiful thing.
You know, one of the things thatI dreamed early in my journey
with the Lord was I keptdreaming about being on the set
of a movie.
And it was the story, the moviewas the story of the honeybee.
And I didn't know what thatmeant at first.
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I prayed through that and um wasjust in conversation with the
Lord.
And, you know, I was talking tohim, like, okay, Lord, like if
you want me to make this movie,this story of the honeybee,
you're gonna have to show mewhat it is.
Um, but if I were to choose, Iwould love to tell the story of
Deborah from the book of Judges.
That's a story that I think ourworld needs to hear right now,
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women need to hear right now,especially.
Um, you know, and a few hourslater, one of my girlfriends
called me and she was reading abook about Deborah and she
referenced Deborah's honeybeeanointing.
And I said, wait a minute, what?
And she said, Yeah, no, they theauthor calls it a honeybee
anointing.
And I said, Why?
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And she goes, Well, the nameDeborah means honeybee.
And what I realized is that theLord had been preparing me to
say yes to making a film aboutDeborah, the honeybee, the
origin of the honeybee.
So I began to pursue that umshortly after that dream and
just to see that the Lord hasjust kind of been with me every
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step of the way and brought allof the right people around me.
Um, you know, I asked him formore dreams about that story
specifically, and so much ofthat story did come to me
through dreams.
Um, so that's been a really funthing, too, is just to see him
creatively use dreams to inspirecreative works.
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Um those have been some of theways that I've really enjoyed
dreaming with the Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
Yeah, that is a film that I'd be looking forward to
watching for sure, as probably alot of women as well.
SPEAKER_02 (19:49):
Yeah, no, that's been a fun journey.
I feel so passionately aboutthat story right now.
Um, where we are in the earth,you know, we're waiting for
women to understand theirauthority in the kingdom and to
um arise as, you know, leaders,mothers, um, you know,
instigators of change andjustice and the hand of God in
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the earth.
So it'll be exciting when thatcomes out.
SPEAKER_00 (20:16):
Absolutely.
And I think the rise of womendoesn't need to simultaneously
be the um like oppression of menor diminishing men.
I think together we can createsuch greater impact in the world
by stepping into who we're meantto be uniquely in our positions
and our uh strengths.
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And so I think yeah, there'ssomething so beautiful about
that.
And women are the nurturers,we're the incubators, right?
So we incubate ideas and dreamstoo and nurture the people
around us and speak life, andwe're the multipliers too.
So there's so much that um canbe, you know, can be beautiful
that can come from that.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Yeah, I could not agree more with that.
I love that story for manyreasons.
One is I feel like it's a reallygreat model for women and men
working together, going inshoulder to shoulder um to
advance the kingdom.
You know, there's a strong maleuh, you know, figure in that
story with Barak, the leader ofthe military, and they really go
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in shoulder to shoulder.
They go together to do whatneeds to be done.
And I think it just models sucha healthy dynamic of
co-leadership that our worldreally needs to see right now.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with more as well.
Um, in your book Awaken, youreveal that many Christian world
changers had their livesimpacted by a god dream.
I'd love for you to share one ofyour favorites from that.
SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
Okay, yes.
Okay, speaking of movies, so oneof my favorites is actually C.S.
Lewis, who Aslan, the characterAslan in the Chronicles of
Narnia, came from a dream.
And I love that so much becausehow much do we love Aslan?
How much do we love?
He's the central character insome of in those all of those
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stories, as really that Jesusfigure.
And if it weren't for dreaming,we wouldn't have him.
And so I love that story.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Wow, I I never knew that.
I knew he worked with like J.R.
Tolkien and they would go andwrite together and kind of more
of that backstory.
Um, but I never knew that that'swhere the character originated
from.
That's so beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
He was dreaming about lions.
And dreaming about lions anddreaming about lions and
dreaming about lions, and so hecreated this character because
of his dreams.
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Yeah.
What are some can you give ussome common symbolisms or things
that people can use tointerpret?
I know it's in your book, but umand yes, for sure.
Go get the Awaken Dream Journal,but uh we'll give you some
insights here now.
SPEAKER_02 (22:50):
Yeah, I think it's um again, it's very personal.
And every symbol is going isgoing to depend upon the context
in which it's represented.
So a lot of people, you know,common dream symbols are
transportation, modes oftransportation.
So cars, boats, planes, um, wefind ourselves in a vehicle of
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some kind.
Um, so if you're dreaming aboutbeing in a plane or being in a
car, there are lots of follow-upquestions that I would have for
you if we were going to talkthrough a dream um involving you
in a in a mode oftransportation.
And that would be where are you?
In are you are you in thedriver's seat?
Are you in the passenger seat?
Are you in the backseat?
Where you are in that vehiclewill be partially um connected
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to what that vehicle needs.
Um typically a mode oftransportation is going to be
sort of that thing that is gonnaget you sort of transported in
your destiny to where you're,you know, from one place to
another.
It's the journey that you're on.
Um it's the it's the provisionto get to where you're going.
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Um so you know, if you're in aboat that will kind of have its
own meaning and is the seachoppy?
Is it calm?
What does the water look like?
There are all these likesub-questions, and that's why
each of these individual itemsthey are worth exploring the
context, um, the full contextthat's wrapped around them.
Does that make sense?
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I had a dream the other night.
I was in a car, uh, my fatherwas driving, and it was a steep
road, it was slippery, and I I'mafraid of heights.
And so um I just rememberputting my head down because I
just didn't want, I didn't wantto see how steep the road was.
Um, I just kind of put my headdown in the seat.
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That to me was so beautifulbecause what this tells me is if
you're if you're dreaming aboutyour father, most of the time
that's your heavenly father, andmy heavenly father was driving
the car.
And so all I needed to know whenI woke up was he's driving this
car.
The road looks a little bittreacherous, but he's got it.
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Just rest in that.
You know, that's an example ofbeing in a car, the symbolism of
my father driving, the roadlooking a little bit dangerous,
but everything's okay, right?
That just it's it's a dream togive you peace.
Um sometimes people will dreamabout water.
I would say water is another umcommon dream symbol.
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And again, all of the questionsabout water, right?
Is it raining?
Um, is it a lake?
Is it a river?
Is it flowing like a river?
Is it the ocean?
Is it a tidal wave?
Is it a flood?
Like water can take so manydifferent forms, and every
single one of them is gonnaspeak something very different.
Um, you know, the floodnarrative in um the book of
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Genesis with the with Noah andhis family, that is an example
of you know, water being bothterrible and destructive, but
also cleansing.
Um, that flood meant destructionfor some.
It meant uh it was also you knowthe means of lifting the ark and
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moving it to where it needed tobe.
And so you can kind of see wherea flood can both kind of have
this dichotomy of um great andterrible at the same time.
And so what's important when weum are able to identify each of
the things that we remember fromour dreams is that we write them
all down and then we look atthem individually, and then we
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look at them as a whole.
Almost the way you would stepback from an abstract piece of
art and kind of try to get avery different um understanding
of what it looks like with thewhole picture.
Um and so that's sort of how Irecommend looking at your dreams
and considering them.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
That's beautiful.
Yeah, I have a few friends whoare really into interpreting
dreams.
So anytime I have something thatI feel is like really
significant, I'll, you know, runit by them.
And it's been reallyinteresting.
I'm curious to know from yourperspective, why do you think
that God uses dream as a way tospeak to us?
SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
Um well, as you pointed out earlier, he always
has, you know, from thebeginning of you know, time
people have dreamed, hisprophets have dreamed, he's
given dreams and visions.
Um, the prophet Joel says, youknow, I will pour my spirit out,
and your old men will dreamdreams and your young men will
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have visions.
You know, dreams and visions umare in many ways a byproduct of
the outpouring of the HolySpirit.
Um, I think today we're seeingand we're hearing about more
dreams than ever before.
Um, you know, the Googleanalytics show that the searches
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for the spiritual meaning ofdreams spiked in 2020 and it's
just been straight up eversince, and that's global.
We're hearing about them moreand more, we're hearing people
talk about them.
Um, I think we're busier thanever before.
Our minds are so cluttered andbusy during the day.
Um, we are constantly engagingwith media and entertainment.
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And I just think number one, Ithink that we're just in a time
where God is doing somethingwith dreams, but I do believe
it's because he's trying to getour attention.
And sometimes when we'resleeping, it's the best time to
get our attention.
The only time else competing forour time in that in that time.
So that's really what I thinkit's going on.
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But you know, I was justlistening to um a friend of mine
sent me this sermon from Churchof the City here in Nashville
from this weekend, and PastorJohn Tyson was in from New York,
and he opened his um sermon bysaying, We are seeing more than
we've ever seen before, peoplecoming into our church because
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they had a dream.
Wow.
So atheists coming to church,wandering into church because
Jesus appeared to him in adream, Muslims wandering into
church because Jesus appeared tohim in a dream, Jewish people
wandering into their churchbecause Jesus appeared to them
in a dream and they don't knowwhat else to do.
So I just know that the that umhe is moving in that way.
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So if you want to be a dreamerand you want to hear from him in
that way and you're ready tosteward what he shows you, like
jump in because now's the time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Yeah, that is so good.
How do you hope the AwakenedDream Journal will impact
readers and um where can theyget a copy of that?
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
Yeah, you know, I think that um that's twofold.
Number one, I just I love whenpeople have personal encounters
with the Lord and theyunderstand that He's a very
personal God and He's involvedin every detail and wants to be
involved in every detail oftheir lives.
And so that um on an individuallevel is is gonna be so
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rewarding.
If even one person begins todream and understands the
richness of the relationshipwith the Lord that's available.
Big picture, the world changes,right?
Dreamers change the world.
Someone, you know, who'slistening right now is going to
have a dream about a businessidea that they would not have
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had the courage to startotherwise.
The Lord's gonna confirm it in adream.
And the ripple effect of peoplewho hear from the Lord in that
way and are bold enough andcourageous enough to walk out
the big things that He's showingthem to do, that's gonna change
the world as Christian dreamershave always changed the world,
have always impacted.
We are all living within theimpact of a Christian leader who
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has been shaped by dreams.
And so more of that, more ofthat, all of the impact of big,
big, big, bold Christian dreams,um, Christian dreamers, just I
get very excited thinking aboutif he's gonna give me a movie to
birth into the earth through adream, what is he gonna show you
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through a dream?
You know, there is no end towhat will happen in the earth if
people awaken to the voice ofGod in their sleep.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
I love that so much.
I hope you, as a listener, walkaway and get unlocked with that
aspect that maybe you've neverthought about or never explored
of dreaming.
And so, as Paige said, the firststep is just ask and explore,
write down, get the journal tohelp you really track it and
discern it further.
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Um, I love that.
Well, Paige, I usually wrap upmy podcast by asking three
questions.
And before I do that, I'd loveto know if there's anything else
that I've asked you or anythingelse you'd love to relate to the
listener.
SPEAKER_02 (31:52):
You know, I think that I've said most of what's on
my heart, but I am also curiousfor you.
Is there a dream that you've hadin your life that's impacted
you?
SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
Yes, I actually had a series of dreams.
I'm like, I'm not sure how muchI want to go into that in the
podcast.
But um, yeah, and so I had aseries of dreams about a baby
that was handed to me, and Ididn't know if it was my baby or
not.
Um, because it was, you know,placed in my hands.
And in the dream I was trying tofigure out how to nurse the
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baby.
And I then the next dream, andit was like awkward, you know,
it's like as if you're holdingthe baby for the first time,
you're not sure what's going on,and all of that.
Um, and then the next dream, Iwas nursing the baby, and the
milk supply was like just sooverflowing that I didn't know
what to do with it.
It was it was crazy.
Um, and then the next dream Ihad about this baby is it was a
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room full of milk supply, justlike shelves and shelves of the
supply milk everywhere.
And this room was filled withwomen who were supporting this
baby and this supply.
And I was like, okay, um, nowyou got my attention guide
because like, you know, thisisn't the first, like, this is a
third dream.
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And I think there was one babydream in the middle there
somewhere that I just didn'twrite down.
And you have to write down yourdreams, right?
Um, and so the third dream wasso unique because they were just
it was just shelves and shelvesstocked to milk.
And they're and I walked in theroom and I remember, and like
it's as if that place wasfunctioning without me.
Like they were taking care ofall the you know, logistics of
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it.
And I walked in and I was like,should I nurse the baby now that
I'm here?
kind of deal, you know?
And um, so that was interesting.
And I wasn't sure what to relaythat with.
Um, at that time, my husband andI were considering building a
nonprofit, but I also had thisbook idea that was like really
birthing my heart, and I'm like,nah, that's too small, like that
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can't be it.
Well, we're like five years downthe road from that, and I am a
hundred percent certain it's thebook, and it's I know that God's
gonna do something really,really big with it.
SPEAKER_02 (34:02):
I love that.
I love that he's also kind ofshown you and confirmed for you
um not just that somethingstarts with a little bit of um I
like how you kind of describedthat when you were handed the
baby, you were not sure what todo.
If you were to you know, if itwas like mine too.
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Like I didn't know, like, is this my baby?
Like, did I birth this baby?
Because I don't remember beingpregnant, you know, that type of
thing.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Right.
But then the promise is not onlywill you nourish this, but there
is abundance coming that's goingto connect with other other
women as well.
Um, and that's beautiful.
That's a that gives me chills,actually.
That's a really cool, that's areally cool series of dreams.
Those are those are promises.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I was really now I'mstarting to understand.
And as I went back, I was like,oh, this makes sense.
Because I remember talking to afriend about and she's like,
maybe it's the book.
I'm like, no, that is so small,like that is so relevant to this
thing.
We're like trying to build thisbig nonprofit.
And um, that's what I thought itwas about.
But I'm yeah, I'm 100% certainthat's what it's about.
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And it's uh been growing andgrowing.
And um, so yeah, it's like we'rejust on the brink of launching
it into the world.
Um, but um, I know there is justgonna be so much impact that's
gonna come from that.
And it is more specificallytargeted towards women than men,
even though it will impact menas well.
I'm also writing it for my sons.
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Um, but yeah, that's that's oneof my dreams.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
That's beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that, bythe way, because that's also
personal.
Yeah.
It's it can be kind of tricky toknow when to share and how to
share those personal dreams.
But thank you for doing that.
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
Well, I'd love to know from you, Paige, what is
the most courageous thing thatyou've ever done?
Because this is the Once Or Darepodcast, and you're a daring
woman, which is why you're onhere.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
I think the most courageous thing that I've ever
done, um, I've actually alwaysbeen a bit of a risk taker.
And so when I started icon, Ileft a salaried position to
start a new company.
Um, and it felt a little scaryat the time, but I just knew in
my heart that it was gonna, it'sgonna be something that the Lord
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would bless.
And so um starting this businessum nine months pregnant was
definitely something that took arisk, but it has been very
fruitful, and we have um we havereally enjoyed the journey.
So that's beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (36:37):
What is the best advice that someone gave you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
Oh, yeah.
My dad, I remember instantlywhere I was.
I was sitting, I was 18 yearsold, um, sitting with my dad,
and he said to me, Um, do youknow what success is?
And I said, Well, I don't knowwhat.
And he said, Success is findingGod's calling for your life and
doing it.
And it's just that simple.
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What is God calling you to do?
Do it.
And that's what success lookslike.
And so that is what I have um,that's what I have followed
since I was a teenager.
SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
That's beautiful.
And the last one is what arethree pivotal books that
impacted your life?
SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
Oh my goodness.
Well, obviously, not to be lame,but like the Bible.
I love the word of God so much.
I could put every book away andjust have my many, many
different translations and bevery, very happy.
Um, I would say um, you know,there's a book that I loved in
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college because I am a writer,and it's called If You Want to
Write by Brenda Ewand.
It's from the early 1900s, andit was written by this woman who
was teaching others how to be acreative writer, and it's just
beautiful.
And for anyone who um even justhas a creative spirit to create,
um, but especially for writersand aspiring writers, I highly
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recommend If you want to writeby Brenda Ewand.
Um, and then um Gift of the Sea,um, and Mara Lindbergh is
probably just one of my guiltypleasure.
I could read it again and againand again.
It's just this beautiful,beautiful book and just um has a
lot of calm and peace um that itbrings to me when I'm reading it
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just to decompress.
SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
So that's beautiful.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
It's been such an honor to talkto you, Paige.
Thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's been really fun.
Paige Collins, what a beautiful honor to have you in
the OneStudio podcast.
I'm usually interviewing yourclients, incredible people, but
this time you're in the seat,which is so different.
And how does it feel?
SPEAKER_02 (00:14):
Listen, for you and me both, it's different.
I've spent my life helping otherpeople tell their stories and
really um share their heart withthe world.
And so to be able to sit in aseat and do that myself is
actually really fun.
And I'm enjoying it.
So thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yeah.
So other than a publicist andideator, you've also are a
screenwriter and been working onseveral different projects and
recently wrote a journal awakeabout dreams.
I'm curious to see whatencouraged you to start writing
about dreams and how did thatcome about to begin with?
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So it was probably about eightyears ago that I really started
dreaming in what I would say uhwas a God dream kind of way.
Um I've been a dreamer my wholelife, but it there was a moment
where I realized that the dreamsI was having were not random and
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it wasn't like mind clutter, youknow.
Um, I remember very clearlywaking up to the sound of my own
voice.
It actually woke me up, my ownvoice speaking, and I was asking
God for an interpretation to thedream that I had just had.
And as I woke up realizing I hadjust encountered him in a dream,
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um, I wrote it all down and Ijust began to pray into it.
And for me, it was more of justthe awareness um, he's talking
to me like this that wasfascinating.
It sort of created this, I wouldsay, like a holy curiosity in me
where um I didn't really knowwhat to do with it at the time,
but I knew it was happening.
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And so um that first dream begana season of just vivid, vivid
dreaming.
And the Lord just awakened myspirit in that way and just
began to talk to me.
Um, and he really hasn'tstopped.
I've been a dreamer ever since.
And I really um was led into aseason where I would say the
Holy Spirit, it was almost likea crash course.
(02:16):
Let me teach you how tounderstand what I'm showing you.
And I felt like a student in aclassroom for several months
because I would dream and then Iwould write it down, and then I
would look at every little partof the dream, every single thing
that I remembered from thedream, I would pull out and look
at individually.
And this is just sort of theprocess that the Lord put me
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through.
Um, and it was through thatprocess where I learned how to
interpret my dream language.
Um, I believe that each of ushas a very personal dream
language with the Lord, uh, inthe same way that we might have
a very unique way ofcommunicating with our loved
ones, a unique relationship witheach of our loved ones.
I have a unique language withthe Lord in my dreams, and so
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would you, and so does everyone.
And so he uses the things of ourlives, he uses um the
relationships in our lives, um,he uses um even just the way
that we think about um littlethings, big things.
He uses all of these things ashe communicates with us in
dreams in the way that he layersin symbolism.
Um and it's just a fascinatingand I think a really, really fun
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way to connect with the Lord,um, you know, because it all
comes down to intimacy with himand really just him calling us
deeper and closer to him.
And when he conceals things andhides them in our dreams, we
then lean in to uncover and todig out the treasure that's
there.
And in that process, when we dothat with him, you know, the
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fruit of that is intimacy andcloseness.
Um, and so yeah, that's that'ssort of how I got started.
And and, you know, my process asI was led through it really
became the guts of this book,which is its equal parts, kind
of a primer in how to interpretdreams and kind of the way that
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we look at them.
But it's also a journal, whichhas some very unique features
that are specific tounderstanding our dreams.
It has specific space for you topull out objects, names, places,
and then allows you the space toactually dig in and kind of
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uncover what each of thosethings can be individually to
kind of let you form a wholepicture for what your dream
might be saying.
SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
That's a beautiful way to journal.
So you have like the colors,like you said, you can put the
title of your dream and reallytrack your dreams and be able to
interpret them further.
Um, before we go into thenitty-gritty of dreaming, I'd
love to for you to also shareyour backstory of how you even
started icon media thatrepresents some of the top
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movies, authors, and thoughtleaders in the Christian space
today.
SPEAKER_02 (05:00):
Yeah, no, that's great.
We started icon media about 14years ago, um, founded it with
my business partner and bestfriend Shannon Stowe, who has 25
years in the Christianpublishing business.
Um, I have 25 years in theindustry as well, but a little
bit of a varied background.
I dabbled in TV booking for alittle while.
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I worked at a publisher for alittle while.
Um, so we really brought kind ofour culmination of experience
into icon.
And once we launched um in 2013,we very quickly stepped into the
film and entertainment space andbegan working on feature films.
Our first feature film was alittle movie called God's Not
Dead that went on to surprise alot of people with sort of its
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success at the box office.
It was really fun to kind ofstart with a really big film.
And then from there, we workedon War Room, um I Can Only
Imagine, some of the biggerprojects that we've seen come
out of this space.
And right now we're working onthe sequel to I Can Only
Imagine.
Um, I Can Only Imagine Two,which will be in theaters in
February.
So it's been wonderful.
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It's been a great journey.
We're we're kingdom um women.
We want to honor the Lord witheverything that we do.
We pray that we're working, youknow, with integral people as
well.
And we almost always are.
Um, and so it really truly is anhonor to build a kingdom through
media and entertainment.
unknown (06:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
And what's interesting is that uh from what
I researched, is you consideryourself um an introvert and you
deal in this really publicspace.
So how does that work?
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
Oh my goodness.
Yes, I am.
I think that I what's the wordfor if you're both?
I guess an ambivert.
An ambivert, yes, that's what Imean.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
I like need my alone time and then I need I get
really filled with being withpeople, but I need the balance
of both.
I think that's true for so manypeople.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
I I need to have quiet, I need to recharge.
Um, you know, and like we saidearlier, when you're in
publicity, your job really is topush other people in front of
the cameras and have otherpeople elevated.
And so it is a kind of nice mixof letting other people get the
spotlight because that is whereI'm comfortable in behind the
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scenes helping.
Um, my name means helper, um, asyou will find in the book,
because it has an entire listingof names and their meanings.
But I am comfortable helping,I'm comfortable behind the
scenes.
I love when other people shineand get to, you know, do what
they do well.
Um, you know, but yeah, I thinkit's it's a fun business.
So we also have a really goodtime and I love people.
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So even though I'm an introvert,I enjoy people.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
You're like, I love people.
Okay, so let's get back intodreaming.
And I love to do that.
You are a big dreamer.
Like you are not afraid to dreambig.
You have tried so many differentthings, which we'll can get into
a little bit later.
Um, but I would love to know iffor someone listening who may
not resonate, who's like, uh,what is she talking about
dreaming?
You know, I don't really havedreams.
(08:00):
How can I tell the differencebetween if a dream is really
significant, what is the secretto dreaming more?
So, can you tell us a littlemore about those things?
Yes, I can.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
I love this because I had this exact conversation
with one of my best friends whoum is a book agent and happened
to agent this book.
So, as we were talking throughthe concept of the Awakened
Dream Journal, kind of what itwould include, he commented to
me, you know, I've neverdreamed.
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I'm really not a dreamer.
And my response to him was,Well, have you asked for them?
And he said, Oh, no, not really.
I haven't.
I said, Well, why don't you trythat first and then come back to
me?
So he goes and he startspraying.
He asks the Lord for dreams.
And within a couple of weeks,he's dreaming regularly.
And I love that story becauselook, the Lord says to us, ask,
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knock, and seek.
If you're not dreaming and youwant to dream, ask the Lord for
dreams and keep asking.
Um, it's really just thatsimple, right?
We're we spend a third of ourlives sleeping.
It it would make no sense forthat time to be wasted.
You know, the Lord isn't, he'snot in the business of wasting
our time.
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He wants all of us, he wantsevery part of us.
And this is a season of ourlives in the night where we can
hear clearly and not hear, butjust have adventures and see,
you know, see things that wecan't see any other time.
So I think, you know, for me, Ijust tell people ask for dreams.
If you want to dream, ask fordreams.
(09:39):
Yeah, you can see like that'sit's that simple.
Just ask.
It really is.
You know, I had a party theother night, um, a book party
when the book came out, and Ihad just had a group of, you
know, family and friends there.
And I probably had fivetestimonies from that evening of
people who were not dreamers wholater that week began dreaming.
And there's something aboutbeing in proximity, um, and your
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spirit kind of opens up and andshifts posture-wise to kind of
think and consider aboutsomething maybe you haven't,
where the Lord will just comeand fill that space.
So I just would encourage, youknow, anyone who's listening, if
you want to hear from the Lordin dreams, just ask him and then
be ready to steward what it isthat he gives you and shows you.
SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
Yeah, that's so beautiful.
And also I think about this thatthrough the Bible, the number
one way that God has spoken topeople is through dreams, which
I think we don't really thinkabout often.
You think about speakingthrough, say, reading a Bible or
having someone say somethingover you or something along
those lines, right?
I think in our modern world,anyways.
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And so I love that you'vewritten this journal because
you're kind of bringing this topeople's minds of, hey, dreaming
with God is actually somethingreally big and beautiful, and
it's something that's accessibleto you as well.
So it's like, do we not want tobe connected with our divine
creator, the one who made us,the one who uh crafted us on
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purpose and for purpose, andlike really be in tune with that
and also while you're sleeping,because you're doing it anyways.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
That's right.
That's right.
And it got to the point for mewhere I can't wait to go to bed
at night because I don't knowwhat I'm gonna see.
I don't know what he's gonnashow me.
It becomes this really beautifulpart of your life that um my
desire is that people would sayyes to dreams and then be open
to receiving them and then beginthat process with the Lord of
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understanding what it is thathe's saying.
Um, because you know, he willtell you if he's showing you
something, he will tell you whatit means.
Yeah, he will reveal to you.
Just like with the prophetJeremiah, he calls Jeremiah as a
prophet.
The first thing he does is givehim a lesson in how to interpret
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what he's gonna show him.
You know, they he walks himthrough the paces, he shows him
a vision.
Jeremiah identifies what he'sseeing, he says it out loud, and
then the Lord gives him therevelation on it.
He takes him through thatprocess.
It's the very same with us,right?
Well, give us a dream, it's ourresponsibility to write it down,
to journal it, to acknowledgeit, and then to bring it back to
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him for the revelation.
And he's very consistent.
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
So, how do we tell the difference between dreams
that have meaning or dreams thatwere just like, you know,
because of indigestion orsomething that we're processing?
Because at the end at the end ofthe day, when we go to bed,
right, from what I understand inneurosciences, our thoughts and
everything is like beingorganized and filing systems
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somehow, right?
So that's part of it too, thethings that we're thought about
through the day and so forth.
So, how do you discern betweenthose two?
SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
Yeah, I think the first thing is pray before you
go to sleep, right?
So ask the Lord to clear yourmind and your heart and just to
speak in the night.
If we just do that every singlenight, that doesn't mean that
every night you're gonna have alife-changing, God-encountered
dream.
But it is one thing that we cando before we go to sleep to just
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bring it quiet.
And we can set a tone fordreaming by quieting our
spirits.
You know, I recommend a mediafast for anyone who really wants
to lean into dreaming.
I would do media fast to kind ofdeclutter your mind and what
you've seen and what you'vetaken in throughout the day.
Um, it doesn't mean that thedreams you have when you're
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consuming media are not from theLord.
It's just a helpful tool to knowthat there's a bit more of a
purity in what you're seeing inyour dreams.
So that was the first thing thatI would say.
Um, there are things we can doto set the tone for ourselves.
Um, you know, the other thingis, and and there are mixed
feelings about this, but Ibelieve that every dream is
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worth exploring and every dreamthat we have is something for us
to look at, right?
There's a difference betweenwalking into a Nordstrom and
finding a beautiful dress orgoing to a garage sale and
picking through a bunch of crapand to find like the one thing
that's cool.
So I mean, sometimes our dreamsare like that.
Sometimes they're big and boldand beautiful, and it's clear
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that there's something powerfulbeing spoken here.
And sometimes they're strangeand bizarre, and you're like,
what is this?
Is any of this worth looking at?
But what I would say is thatwrite it all down.
Write down everything that youremember.
You might be really surprised atwhat's hidden, um, even in the
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most obscure dream.
I have found that um, you know,time and time again, sometimes
what the Lord wants to show you,even if it's something you're
processing through the day,which by the way, is still worth
talking to the Lord about,right?
The little things of our day, hestill wants to be involved in
talking through those things.
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Um, it's that intimacy piece.
Sometimes he just wants toreveal what's hidden in your own
heart when you're processing thedaily tasks and fears and
thoughts and all of that.
Um, any dream, whether it's awarning or promise or a flash of
something to come, every dreamis meant for your good.
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So even in a warning dream, it'smeant for your good.
A promised dream, obviously,speaking destiny over your life
or your situation.
Um, or even if it's just kind ofrevealing something that might
be buried and hidden in thedarker places of your heart that
you haven't surrendered to him?
It's all worth exploring.
Bring it all to him, is what Iwould say.
(15:50):
Um, and I think you just can'tgo wrong with that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
Yeah.
How has dreaming impacted yourlife and journaling through your
dreams in their practical sense?
Like, have have you used yourdreams?
Can you give us some examples ofthat?
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
Yeah, sure.
So um I would say, you know,I've had every kind of dream you
can possibly have.
I've had the warning dreams thathave helped me navigate chaotic
seasons.
Um I think that is one of themost profound ways that the Lord
(16:27):
speaks is to show you somethingthat might seem unsettling, but
with the intention of allowingyou to feel anchored when that
season of chaos comes.
Does that make sense?
So I've seen seasons to come,not knowing when they would
(16:47):
come, but some chaos.
Um, and anytime I've dreamedabout something unsettling, I I
know where I am in the dream, ismy feet are on solid ground and
I'm okay.
And that's the take home from awarning dream.
Where am I?
Am I okay?
Yes, am I taken care of?
Yes.
So when these things swirlaround me, I can feel steady and
(17:09):
I can say no to fear.
Fear comes so quickly in thechaotic seasons of our lives.
Yeah, we have just seconds toeither agree with it or say no,
I'm gonna stand in faith.
And so I think one of the mostbeautiful ways that the Lord has
spoken to me is to give me anopportunity to say yes to um
(17:30):
faith and confidence in whathe's doing in my life when
things around me feel chaoticthrough dreams.
So that's one way, you know,that that I have loved.
Um, you know, on the flip sideof that, promises, um, calling
me into really my destiny and mycalling in the earth, that has
all come through dreams.
(17:51):
Um and that has been a reallybeautiful thing.
You know, one of the things thatI dreamed early in my journey
with the Lord was I keptdreaming about being on the set
of a movie.
And it was the story, the moviewas the story of the honeybee.
And I didn't know what thatmeant at first.
(18:12):
I prayed through that and um wasjust in conversation with the
Lord.
And, you know, I was talking tohim, like, okay, Lord, like if
you want me to make this movie,this story of the honeybee,
you're gonna have to show mewhat it is.
Um, but if I were to choose, Iwould love to tell the story of
Deborah from the book of Judges.
That's a story that I think ourworld needs to hear right now,
(18:33):
women need to hear right now,especially.
Um, you know, and a few hourslater, one of my girlfriends
called me and she was reading abook about Deborah and she
referenced Deborah's honeybeeanointing.
And I said, wait a minute, what?
And she said, Yeah, no, they theauthor calls it a honeybee
anointing.
And I said, Why?
(18:54):
And she goes, Well, the nameDeborah means honeybee.
And what I realized is that theLord had been preparing me to
say yes to making a film aboutDeborah, the honeybee, the
origin of the honeybee.
So I began to pursue that umshortly after that dream and
just to see that the Lord hasjust kind of been with me every
(19:15):
step of the way and brought allof the right people around me.
Um, you know, I asked him formore dreams about that story
specifically, and so much ofthat story did come to me
through dreams.
Um, so that's been a really funthing, too, is just to see him
creatively use dreams to inspirecreative works.
(19:36):
Um those have been some of theways that I've really enjoyed
dreaming with the Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
Yeah, that is a film that I'd be looking forward to
watching for sure, as probably alot of women as well.
SPEAKER_02 (19:49):
Yeah, no, that's been a fun journey.
I feel so passionately aboutthat story right now.
Um, where we are in the earth,you know, we're waiting for
women to understand theirauthority in the kingdom and to
um arise as, you know, leaders,mothers, um, you know,
instigators of change andjustice and the hand of God in
(20:13):
the earth.
So it'll be exciting when thatcomes out.
SPEAKER_00 (20:16):
Absolutely.
And I think the rise of womendoesn't need to simultaneously
be the um like oppression of menor diminishing men.
I think together we can createsuch greater impact in the world
by stepping into who we're meantto be uniquely in our positions
and our uh strengths.
(20:36):
And so I think yeah, there'ssomething so beautiful about
that.
And women are the nurturers,we're the incubators, right?
So we incubate ideas and dreamstoo and nurture the people
around us and speak life, andwe're the multipliers too.
So there's so much that um canbe, you know, can be beautiful
that can come from that.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Yeah, I could not agree more with that.
I love that story for manyreasons.
One is I feel like it's a reallygreat model for women and men
working together, going inshoulder to shoulder um to
advance the kingdom.
You know, there's a strong maleuh, you know, figure in that
story with Barak, the leader ofthe military, and they really go
(21:18):
in shoulder to shoulder.
They go together to do whatneeds to be done.
And I think it just models sucha healthy dynamic of
co-leadership that our worldreally needs to see right now.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with more as well.
Um, in your book Awaken, youreveal that many Christian world
changers had their livesimpacted by a god dream.
I'd love for you to share one ofyour favorites from that.
SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
Okay, yes.
Okay, speaking of movies, so oneof my favorites is actually C.S.
Lewis, who Aslan, the characterAslan in the Chronicles of
Narnia, came from a dream.
And I love that so much becausehow much do we love Aslan?
How much do we love?
He's the central character insome of in those all of those
(22:05):
stories, as really that Jesusfigure.
And if it weren't for dreaming,we wouldn't have him.
And so I love that story.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Wow, I I never knew that.
I knew he worked with like J.R.
Tolkien and they would go andwrite together and kind of more
of that backstory.
Um, but I never knew that that'swhere the character originated
from.
That's so beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
He was dreaming about lions.
And dreaming about lions anddreaming about lions and
dreaming about lions, and so hecreated this character because
of his dreams.
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Yeah.
What are some can you give ussome common symbolisms or things
that people can use tointerpret?
I know it's in your book, but umand yes, for sure.
Go get the Awaken Dream Journal,but uh we'll give you some
insights here now.
SPEAKER_02 (22:50):
Yeah, I think it's um again, it's very personal.
And every symbol is going isgoing to depend upon the context
in which it's represented.
So a lot of people, you know,common dream symbols are
transportation, modes oftransportation.
So cars, boats, planes, um, wefind ourselves in a vehicle of
(23:13):
some kind.
Um, so if you're dreaming aboutbeing in a plane or being in a
car, there are lots of follow-upquestions that I would have for
you if we were going to talkthrough a dream um involving you
in a in a mode oftransportation.
And that would be where are you?
In are you are you in thedriver's seat?
Are you in the passenger seat?
Are you in the backseat?
Where you are in that vehiclewill be partially um connected
(23:39):
to what that vehicle needs.
Um typically a mode oftransportation is going to be
sort of that thing that is gonnaget you sort of transported in
your destiny to where you're,you know, from one place to
another.
It's the journey that you're on.
Um it's the it's the provisionto get to where you're going.
(23:59):
Um so you know, if you're in aboat that will kind of have its
own meaning and is the seachoppy?
Is it calm?
What does the water look like?
There are all these likesub-questions, and that's why
each of these individual itemsthey are worth exploring the
context, um, the full contextthat's wrapped around them.
Does that make sense?
(24:20):
I had a dream the other night.
I was in a car, uh, my fatherwas driving, and it was a steep
road, it was slippery, and I I'mafraid of heights.
And so um I just rememberputting my head down because I
just didn't want, I didn't wantto see how steep the road was.
Um, I just kind of put my headdown in the seat.
(24:42):
That to me was so beautifulbecause what this tells me is if
you're if you're dreaming aboutyour father, most of the time
that's your heavenly father, andmy heavenly father was driving
the car.
And so all I needed to know whenI woke up was he's driving this
car.
The road looks a little bittreacherous, but he's got it.
(25:02):
Just rest in that.
You know, that's an example ofbeing in a car, the symbolism of
my father driving, the roadlooking a little bit dangerous,
but everything's okay, right?
That just it's it's a dream togive you peace.
Um sometimes people will dreamabout water.
I would say water is another umcommon dream symbol.
(25:25):
And again, all of the questionsabout water, right?
Is it raining?
Um, is it a lake?
Is it a river?
Is it flowing like a river?
Is it the ocean?
Is it a tidal wave?
Is it a flood?
Like water can take so manydifferent forms, and every
single one of them is gonnaspeak something very different.
Um, you know, the floodnarrative in um the book of
(25:48):
Genesis with the with Noah andhis family, that is an example
of you know, water being bothterrible and destructive, but
also cleansing.
Um, that flood meant destructionfor some.
It meant uh it was also you knowthe means of lifting the ark and
(26:10):
moving it to where it needed tobe.
And so you can kind of see wherea flood can both kind of have
this dichotomy of um great andterrible at the same time.
And so what's important when weum are able to identify each of
the things that we remember fromour dreams is that we write them
all down and then we look atthem individually, and then we
(26:32):
look at them as a whole.
Almost the way you would stepback from an abstract piece of
art and kind of try to get avery different um understanding
of what it looks like with thewhole picture.
Um and so that's sort of how Irecommend looking at your dreams
and considering them.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
That's beautiful.
Yeah, I have a few friends whoare really into interpreting
dreams.
So anytime I have something thatI feel is like really
significant, I'll, you know, runit by them.
And it's been reallyinteresting.
I'm curious to know from yourperspective, why do you think
that God uses dream as a way tospeak to us?
SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
Um well, as you pointed out earlier, he always
has, you know, from thebeginning of you know, time
people have dreamed, hisprophets have dreamed, he's
given dreams and visions.
Um, the prophet Joel says, youknow, I will pour my spirit out,
and your old men will dreamdreams and your young men will
(27:32):
have visions.
You know, dreams and visions umare in many ways a byproduct of
the outpouring of the HolySpirit.
Um, I think today we're seeingand we're hearing about more
dreams than ever before.
Um, you know, the Googleanalytics show that the searches
(27:54):
for the spiritual meaning ofdreams spiked in 2020 and it's
just been straight up eversince, and that's global.
We're hearing about them moreand more, we're hearing people
talk about them.
Um, I think we're busier thanever before.
Our minds are so cluttered andbusy during the day.
Um, we are constantly engagingwith media and entertainment.
(28:16):
And I just think number one, Ithink that we're just in a time
where God is doing somethingwith dreams, but I do believe
it's because he's trying to getour attention.
And sometimes when we'resleeping, it's the best time to
get our attention.
The only time else competing forour time in that in that time.
So that's really what I thinkit's going on.
(28:38):
But you know, I was justlistening to um a friend of mine
sent me this sermon from Churchof the City here in Nashville
from this weekend, and PastorJohn Tyson was in from New York,
and he opened his um sermon bysaying, We are seeing more than
we've ever seen before, peoplecoming into our church because
(29:00):
they had a dream.
Wow.
So atheists coming to church,wandering into church because
Jesus appeared to him in adream, Muslims wandering into
church because Jesus appeared tohim in a dream, Jewish people
wandering into their churchbecause Jesus appeared to them
in a dream and they don't knowwhat else to do.
So I just know that the that umhe is moving in that way.
(29:20):
So if you want to be a dreamerand you want to hear from him in
that way and you're ready tosteward what he shows you, like
jump in because now's the time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Yeah, that is so good.
How do you hope the AwakenedDream Journal will impact
readers and um where can theyget a copy of that?
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
Yeah, you know, I think that um that's twofold.
Number one, I just I love whenpeople have personal encounters
with the Lord and theyunderstand that He's a very
personal God and He's involvedin every detail and wants to be
involved in every detail oftheir lives.
And so that um on an individuallevel is is gonna be so
(29:59):
rewarding.
If even one person begins todream and understands the
richness of the relationshipwith the Lord that's available.
Big picture, the world changes,right?
Dreamers change the world.
Someone, you know, who'slistening right now is going to
have a dream about a businessidea that they would not have
(30:22):
had the courage to startotherwise.
The Lord's gonna confirm it in adream.
And the ripple effect of peoplewho hear from the Lord in that
way and are bold enough andcourageous enough to walk out
the big things that He's showingthem to do, that's gonna change
the world as Christian dreamershave always changed the world,
have always impacted.
We are all living within theimpact of a Christian leader who
(30:45):
has been shaped by dreams.
And so more of that, more ofthat, all of the impact of big,
big, big, bold Christian dreams,um, Christian dreamers, just I
get very excited thinking aboutif he's gonna give me a movie to
birth into the earth through adream, what is he gonna show you
(31:08):
through a dream?
You know, there is no end towhat will happen in the earth if
people awaken to the voice ofGod in their sleep.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
I love that so much.
I hope you, as a listener, walkaway and get unlocked with that
aspect that maybe you've neverthought about or never explored
of dreaming.
And so, as Paige said, the firststep is just ask and explore,
write down, get the journal tohelp you really track it and
discern it further.
(31:39):
Um, I love that.
Well, Paige, I usually wrap upmy podcast by asking three
questions.
And before I do that, I'd loveto know if there's anything else
that I've asked you or anythingelse you'd love to relate to the
listener.
SPEAKER_02 (31:52):
You know, I think that I've said most of what's on
my heart, but I am also curiousfor you.
Is there a dream that you've hadin your life that's impacted
you?
SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
Yes, I actually had a series of dreams.
I'm like, I'm not sure how muchI want to go into that in the
podcast.
But um, yeah, and so I had aseries of dreams about a baby
that was handed to me, and Ididn't know if it was my baby or
not.
Um, because it was, you know,placed in my hands.
And in the dream I was trying tofigure out how to nurse the
(32:22):
baby.
And I then the next dream, andit was like awkward, you know,
it's like as if you're holdingthe baby for the first time,
you're not sure what's going on,and all of that.
Um, and then the next dream, Iwas nursing the baby, and the
milk supply was like just sooverflowing that I didn't know
what to do with it.
It was it was crazy.
Um, and then the next dream Ihad about this baby is it was a
(32:46):
room full of milk supply, justlike shelves and shelves of the
supply milk everywhere.
And this room was filled withwomen who were supporting this
baby and this supply.
And I was like, okay, um, nowyou got my attention guide
because like, you know, thisisn't the first, like, this is a
third dream.
(33:07):
And I think there was one babydream in the middle there
somewhere that I just didn'twrite down.
And you have to write down yourdreams, right?
Um, and so the third dream wasso unique because they were just
it was just shelves and shelvesstocked to milk.
And they're and I walked in theroom and I remember, and like
it's as if that place wasfunctioning without me.
Like they were taking care ofall the you know, logistics of
(33:30):
it.
And I walked in and I was like,should I nurse the baby now that
I'm here?
kind of deal, you know?
And um, so that was interesting.
And I wasn't sure what to relaythat with.
Um, at that time, my husband andI were considering building a
nonprofit, but I also had thisbook idea that was like really
birthing my heart, and I'm like,nah, that's too small, like that
(33:51):
can't be it.
Well, we're like five years downthe road from that, and I am a
hundred percent certain it's thebook, and it's I know that God's
gonna do something really,really big with it.
SPEAKER_02 (34:02):
I love that.
I love that he's also kind ofshown you and confirmed for you
um not just that somethingstarts with a little bit of um I
like how you kind of describedthat when you were handed the
baby, you were not sure what todo.
If you were to you know, if itwas like mine too.
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Like I didn't know, like, is this my baby?
Like, did I birth this baby?
Because I don't remember beingpregnant, you know, that type of
thing.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Right.
But then the promise is not onlywill you nourish this, but there
is abundance coming that's goingto connect with other other
women as well.
Um, and that's beautiful.
That's a that gives me chills,actually.
That's a really cool, that's areally cool series of dreams.
Those are those are promises.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I was really now I'mstarting to understand.
And as I went back, I was like,oh, this makes sense.
Because I remember talking to afriend about and she's like,
maybe it's the book.
I'm like, no, that is so small,like that is so relevant to this
thing.
We're like trying to build thisbig nonprofit.
And um, that's what I thought itwas about.
But I'm yeah, I'm 100% certainthat's what it's about.
(35:11):
And it's uh been growing andgrowing.
And um, so yeah, it's like we'rejust on the brink of launching
it into the world.
Um, but um, I know there is justgonna be so much impact that's
gonna come from that.
And it is more specificallytargeted towards women than men,
even though it will impact menas well.
I'm also writing it for my sons.
(35:32):
Um, but yeah, that's that's oneof my dreams.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
That's beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that, bythe way, because that's also
personal.
Yeah.
It's it can be kind of tricky toknow when to share and how to
share those personal dreams.
But thank you for doing that.
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
Well, I'd love to know from you, Paige, what is
the most courageous thing thatyou've ever done?
Because this is the Once Or Darepodcast, and you're a daring
woman, which is why you're onhere.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
I think the most courageous thing that I've ever
done, um, I've actually alwaysbeen a bit of a risk taker.
And so when I started icon, Ileft a salaried position to
start a new company.
Um, and it felt a little scaryat the time, but I just knew in
my heart that it was gonna, it'sgonna be something that the Lord
(36:21):
would bless.
And so um starting this businessum nine months pregnant was
definitely something that took arisk, but it has been very
fruitful, and we have um we havereally enjoyed the journey.
So that's beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (36:37):
What is the best advice that someone gave you?
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
Oh, yeah.
My dad, I remember instantlywhere I was.
I was sitting, I was 18 yearsold, um, sitting with my dad,
and he said to me, Um, do youknow what success is?
And I said, Well, I don't knowwhat.
And he said, Success is findingGod's calling for your life and
doing it.
And it's just that simple.
(37:03):
What is God calling you to do?
Do it.
And that's what success lookslike.
And so that is what I have um,that's what I have followed
since I was a teenager.
SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
That's beautiful.
And the last one is what arethree pivotal books that
impacted your life?
SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
Oh my goodness.
Well, obviously, not to be lame,but like the Bible.
I love the word of God so much.
I could put every book away andjust have my many, many
different translations and bevery, very happy.
Um, I would say um, you know,there's a book that I loved in
(37:40):
college because I am a writer,and it's called If You Want to
Write by Brenda Ewand.
It's from the early 1900s, andit was written by this woman who
was teaching others how to be acreative writer, and it's just
beautiful.
And for anyone who um even justhas a creative spirit to create,
um, but especially for writersand aspiring writers, I highly
(38:02):
recommend If you want to writeby Brenda Ewand.
Um, and then um Gift of the Sea,um, and Mara Lindbergh is
probably just one of my guiltypleasure.
I could read it again and againand again.
It's just this beautiful,beautiful book and just um has a
lot of calm and peace um that itbrings to me when I'm reading it
(38:23):
just to decompress.
SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
So that's beautiful.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
It's been such an honor to talkto you, Paige.
Thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's been really fun.
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