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June 11, 2025 27 mins

Join Fred Burton as he sits down with retired FBI special agent Scott Payne to explore his 28-year career, including daring undercover missions within extremist groups and insights into modern-day radicalization. Scott shares gripping stories from his book, Codename Pale Horse, offering an up-close look at how extremist tactics have evolved and the impact of his infiltration work. Listeners will gain valuable advice on corporate security, threat monitoring, and staying resilient in high-stress environments.

You'll learn:

  • How extremist groups operate and recruit, and learn why understanding their tactics is key to effective threat management
  • Actionable insights for corporate security teams, including ways to identify and mitigate internal and external risks
  • Scott’s firsthand experiences of living undercover and his strategies for managing the psychological toll of high-stakes work

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