Happy Anniversmas: #OperaTrash is Pre-K Age!

Four years ago, two wise-ass ladies with smart mouths and a juvenile sense of humor started a podcast about opera. On the anniversary of their first episode, they offer a special retelling of the messiest opera ever - Richard "Bitch Lasagna" Wagner's Tristan und Isolde. Here's to more shenanigans!

Episode Transcript

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Happy annivers miss everybody. I pushedbuttons. She helped. I pushed buttons
and I guess I tried to calland kicked me out and yeah, I
pushed buttons. Oh but it isWelcome to the Opera Trash Podcast. It

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is our fourth anniversary today. Becauseit is our fourth anniversary. On this
day, four years ago, wegraced the podcast community with our with our
with our wet and charm and bullshitttery. We like, can we touch?

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Yeah, I'm Onleila out upstairs hefound I'm still laughing at the one where
she says he found found my downthere. Oh he found my out there?

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Oh god, I mean he didthough, if you but no,
it's yeah. The one Chapposton groupHYMN has been doing Denice memes and yeah,

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he found my down there was wasthe thing that happened. Oh my
god. Oh man, but thisis a yes, this is our this

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is our fourth anniversary. Uh.It all began four years ago after you
watched after you watched Farder, whenafter I texted Krista, I had like
two in the morning going, youknow, it would be fucking hilarious,
probably only to us, but stillfucking hilarious. Let's do a podcast the

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fucking thing, And we did thefucking thing, and here we are,
really four years later, still doingthe fucking thing. Yes. Uh,
it also is the anniversary of mekicking my ex boyfriend to the curb.
Uh bye bye small Peani or yeahbye bye small Pene or that man it

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could. It wouldn't grow any biggerif you stuck it in a bag of
miracle grow hung like my pinky whenerect Yes, Dick couldn't get it.
Ay bigger you stuck it in thebag of miracle grow. Ah. But

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I figure today we would instead ofinstead of like going over like an opera,
I fit, well, yeah,like a do opera that we've seen
reviewing it. I figured we'd gothe route of my good friends Frank and
Chris formerly known as the guys behindthe Hockey Nights podcast, which I was

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briefly on for a while, andwe would do something and we would go
over the sordid saga, the Sagaof Tressan Undiezolda. And not only because
it's our anniversary, but because theanniversary of its premiere was Monday, June

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tenth, eighteen sixty five. Itpremiered in Munich, and yeah, I
mean that premiere. Of course,there was a bunch of shit that happened
at that premr or surrounding that premiere, But the whole drama behind it is
just as I mean, It's likeJerry Springer, more Povich and and uh

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and all those other guys would justkill for a goddamn story like that.
You know, seriously, Lord Byronwould have been that. You know,
Lord Byron and his and his wanderingdick couldn't yet doesn't hold a candle to
Wogner my my work. Bessie Samanthashe yeah, she uh called him a

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slut and a bastard. The bitchLasagna. Yeah, dumbass bitch Lasagna forever,
our bitch Lasagna. All I canthink of is and now representing the
boemass bitch Lasagna. Thank you,Pat McAfee, Thank you McAfee for that.

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I know, I know why McAfeenothing. McAfee's from Pennsylvania. Oh
yeah, Western. Yeah, he'sfrom plumb so he's like western Pennsylvania.
That explains so damn much. Yeah. Concerted lack, especially the concerted lack
of fucks to give. Yeah,yeah, there are no fucks to give

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from Western Pennsylvania. Yeah, himwas a trader, though he went to
w v U how dare how damndare him? Yeah? Man bowmass kicker
seriously. Yea, all right,well, first of all, so,

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first of all, I want tobefore we get into our sordid saga of
Trestawna he's olda. Oh yeah,before we do. I actually and to
interrupt you, which I'm excellent atdoing apparently. Yes. I also found
out today would have been our podcastShares a Birth Miss with the Lake Bob

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Hoskins. Oh oh, And Ifound out today, in addition to that,
that when he was on the setof Hook and Think people were getting
stressed out, he would sing Helloby Lionel Richie, but he'd make the
line hello, is it me you'relooking for? Oh god? He also

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bought beer for three hundred plus extrasafter they're seeing got caught, It got
cut? Oh, we salute ashort beer buying bastard. Yes, yes,
oh my god, I just lovethat. It's like that. And
him and Dustin Hoffan were reading thescript and they looked at each other at

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the same time and went, theseguys are gay. They just played a
hook and me and a couple nicenice mhm. Okay, I might have
to give hook a watch just chancesand adult just to see that. Okay,

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So we were able to seek inunder Spielberg's nose. Okay, so
we have we have a little bitof news now. First of all,
great performances at the met uh whichI love, tibets. They are going
to showcase BID's Carmen. That's theone with uh I go at Shina and

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Peoterre Pachawa go fuck yourself. Yeah, that's the one like where she where
they they have it stayed, theone that I saw where it was stage
at a U a U an Armoryand they and it had Yeah, that's

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the one. So they're gonna showthat June nineteen, twenty twenty four at
nine pm local time. UH andand uh this is Carrie Kracknell. This
is her production of the of uhusus Carmen. And then after that will

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be uh after that will be MadamaButterfly that Anna and I saw with with
Usman Gregorian and Jonathan Tedleman. Letme tell ya, Jonathan Tedtleman was was
really good. He was he wasa good ass Pinkerton, he was he

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was. He was a good assPankerton he was and as mc gregorian,
my god, Yes, she whevershe was in her course was absolutely gorgeous.
Yes, she was one in turnDot she was. She was torn
dot in the with with Yonas andyeah she's I think Puccini's too to her
perfectly, but yeah she Yeah,they're gonna show there is a hit Carmon

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on the nineteenth, then I'm probablyI'm guessing either July or August, they're
going to show, uh Madama Butterfly. So if you have not seen the
the uh, the Anthony mcguilli productionof Madama Butterfly, get your ass in
gear and see that, because seriously, that is the that is like the

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I say, that's the gold standardanymore of the productions of Madama Butterfly,
Like that's that's the standard you haveto hit to be good. That that's
just I mean, it's not amet exclusive production. They they've also done
it in Vienna, and if it'sthat good, if if they're doing it

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in Vigenna, you know it's good. So Carbon's gonna be on great performances
at the Met on the nineteenth.And then I saw this fuck around and
find out a bit. Let's seehere. This is dipshit Il dar Ub

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Drasikov or ask kisses Off receives Russianstate prize. The prize is butt sex
from Putin. Yes, uh,he is received the right the bass is
receiving the prize for his work inthe arts in Russia. No, you

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know what, I take it backhis prize as being the last to die.
Ooh yeah, it says Abdrastkoff posteda picture with dictator. I love
how they said this Dictator Vladimir PutinPutin. Look, I'm looking at the
picture right now. Peutin looks likehe's taking a ship. That's an I'm

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face. That isn't face, thatisn't poop and face. Oh my god,
Oh my god, that is thatis I'm pooping face. Uh.

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Also, Putin's not looking so good, is he. No, he's not,
he is not. He's looking allkinds of puffy in that picture.
Mm hmm. Yeah, nobody shouldsay. Somebody should do him a kindness
and send him some sugar free hirebut gummy bears. Yes, yeah,

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during the excess liquid and a fewother things. Yeah. Well, look
sir, it's a present from thefrom Ukraine. Oh shit, and didn't
do anything else. The prize continuesto confirm his allegiance to the Russian Federation

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after having been ousted for most Westerntheaters in a reason. Yeah. In
December twenty twenty three, the baseofficially endorsed Vladimir Putin for re election in
Russia. That's not called real election. Wait a minute, we're still pretending
they have elections. Yeah really,and was subsequently canceled from his contracts at

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the Venus statsoper uh Paris Opera andZurich Opera. He however, told him
to suck it. Yeah. TheWien told him to go suck it.
Yeah uh he. He however,performed at the Revena Festival and is slated
to return to the Tatras and Carlonext season. Drazakoff will also perform in

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Brazil later this month. Uh yeah. Brazil has had problems with with dictator
a dictator of their own, ofcourse, I mean, I mean doctor
who wasn't wrong. Brazil really iswhere the nuts come from. Absolutely,

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let's see here. Yeah, theyhad they had problems with their with a
dictator before, but they they gotthey got rid of him, and then
they arrested him and uh put himon trial. He he yep, that's
a fucking round to find out.Moment, let's see is there anything else?

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And I'm scrolling back through. I'mlooking at the picture of the young
singer the that won the Shimmid VocalArts competition, Liliana Mendel. Yeah,
is fucking gorgeous. Yes she is. She's That dress is awesome. I
was once again playing I want thatdress. Yes, let's see here?

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What else? What else yet?Here? Yes? Oh? Royal Swedish
Opera fined for tragic accident in twentytwenty three. I think we covered that

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well. Yeah that the Okay,the World Swedish Opera had been has been
fined three million kronor the equivalent ofthree hundred thousand dollars, following the death
of a stage technician who fell aroundfor thirteen million meters from a balcony as
he was carrying out work in theopera house. That yeah, yeah,

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hearing about that, it said.The AP News is reporting that the company
had been investigated, and prosecutor JennyNorden said the death could have been prevented.
It could indeed, yeah, hesays the World Swedish Opera had failed
to investigate and assess the risk ofthe working question, and that the stage

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worker was allowed to perform the workingquestion despite the risk of falling over the
railing. Oh man, and thisis why we have OSHA. Oh like
OSHA does its job properly all thetime. Yeah, that's true. Let's

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hear what else we got and let'ssee. Oh, guess who's going to
be singing in Hong Kong next year? These nuts? Uh? Uh Jonas

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He's got two concerts next sevenths.Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm running
on one cup of coffee and fumestoday, folks. So it's okay,
uh no, yeah, my nuts. Yeah, he's he's going to he's
going to be performing two concerts innext February in Hong Kong, on the

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nineteenth and the twenty second. Sohe's going to be in Hong Kong for
my birthday. Nice yep, let'ssee here. And of course, uh,
he just just got finished uh performingAndrea Saner in London, which was

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the last, the last UH operathat Sir Anthonio Propano conducted. Because he's
now going to be the UH musicaldirector of the London Philharmonic. And yeah,
so he's so by all accounts,the performance was wonderful. It was

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just it was like he I hearda clip of him singing the improviso from
Act one and he hit the pissagioat the end of the song and I
nearly cried because I had not heardhim do that in so long. He

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did that. Yeah, Like,there were a couple of times that he
performed under a che where he didn'tprove he didn't hit the the pissagio where
it's kind of very it's very seamless. What do you get if he doesn't
stop in between notes. Yeah,it's like, oh, why god,
he hit the pissagio again. Hehit it and you cried, yes,

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and my vadge was happy. Uhyeah, and uh. Then he had
a concert. He was part ofa concert celebrating Italian opera and Verona.
He sang and of course he sangthe wreckor Yo. Yeah, it's like

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that man could sing. He couldsing that, you could sing the phone
book. I can hate now Ican't o Kah. It is like,
oh my god, no, thatsong that guaranteed coming out of him,
that is guaranteed to get my legsspread. Oh my god. He starts

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belting that out and it's like,ah, I've heard I've heard other people
singing it, and it's like,yeah, other people sing it, and
my my, my badge makes thewindows the windows shutdown noise yea yeah,

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but oh my god, Jonas takea bit. But now he's gonna be
next week he's gonna be in Vienna, uh, singing a couple of concerts
there. Then he goes off toI think it's uh, I think it's
either Minorca or Majorca for a concert. Uh. He goes there for a

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concert, and then he's got togo to Munich, Ah for the Opera
Festival. So yeah, he's gonnabe he's gonna be busy for the next
month. So and of course hisbirthday is the tenth I will be giving

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him. I will be uh,he'll be getting uh birthday sexit in my
in my dreams a while while.Yeah, let's see, I don't think
the is any more news to cover. See uh, let's see here.

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No oh, our Cinnamon les ruleAx ambassador now oh, just like Yonas.
Yes, nice fellow fellow role Xambassador with Jonas's According to the Thing
on Opera Wire, other ambassadors includethe Gustavo dudamel Sonya Yantrevajuan Diego Flores named

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Carrie Takanawas Cecilia Bartoli and yonis mmhmm yep, yay, yep. That's
why he wears. He wears,there's there's sexy Rolex watches. I thought

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it was just because he was fancy. Oh no, he he gets he
gets Rolex watches. He's also abrand ambassador for Dulchen Anna. That's why
fancy fancy. Oh yeah, let'ssee. So there is our news,

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uh that we had I haven't hadnot not a lot of like like huge
stuff. Of course. Of course. One of the things though was that
the the choir master of the Met, uh he retired. This was his

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last season at the Met and uhso they gave him a beautiful send off.
Ah this year, I think theygave him and I think they gave
him a oh yeah, they gavehim. I remember they gave him the
little Ancestor figurines. Remember that theygave him the little uh they gave him

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a little Ancestor figurines from Madama Butterfly, a nice little s Yep. The
choir the choir master, chore masterYep. It's gonna be so weird seeing
operas and not seeing him come outafterwards. It is because he's because we've

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I mean, it's only been fouryears a week been watching, but we've
seen him constantly. So it's gonnabe it's gonna be weird not seeing him,
you know, but uh yeah,we're Yeah, it's going to be.

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We're gonna have to get used toa new guy. Now. Well,
we got used to. We gotused to seeing more of you know,
gradually we got we saw more ofour cinnamon roll and then he took
over. So I think it's gonnahopefully it'll be a steamless transition like it
was with our Sentiment Rule. Soyeah, all right, So now let's

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get on to this. This isthis is the highlight of this of the
do the damn thing. This isthe highlight of this show. I have
been dying. I was gonna,I was originally going to do this over
Fourth and Jaw weekend. I wasgonna sit there with a twisted tea and
one in my hand and sit onthe stew my porch and record myself semi

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drunkenly recounting this whole saga behind thecomposition of Tristan and he's olda. But
I thought, no, it'd bebetter if we did it now, because
it's been a hot minute since wetalked about the opera. And if you

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recall when it first came out,people were appalled by it. They thought
it was too animalistic. And youknow, this is eighteen of course it's
the Boner Opera. Yeah, itis the Boner Opera, so you know,
they thought it was too hedonistic andoh my god, pearl clutching.
It was a bunch of pearl clutching. If they could see it now,

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like how it's staged now, goodlord, I think they'd be liking it
better. Oh they're not doing anything. Well, okay, but let's take
you back, ladies and gentle themsto Germany in eighteen forty nine, the

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Kingdom of Saxony. Now to giveyou some content next, in eighteen forty
eight, there were a bunch ofrevolutions, like you know, like uprisings
in Europe, in France, inGermany, in Prussia, in Austria,

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Hungary, and I think it wasin in oh I forget where else it
was, but I think, oh, Italy. It was also Italy,
and it was like this revolution thatswept across the continent, and one place

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that it kind of was struggling,you know, is the Kingdom of Saxony.
That's the Saxony is one of thesixteen states in Germany. And Dresden
is there. It's like the bigcity in Saxony. And where was this
incident in eighteen forty five called themMay Uprising? And it was a failed

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coup uh in uh from these uhof. It was this failed attempt by
these idiots to over to overthrow theCave of Saxony basically. And how does

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that well, how does that fitin to uh our story? Well,
guess who one of the conspirators was. It was your friend and mine,
old Richard Bitch Lasagna, uh bombass bitch Lasagna, Richard Wagner. So

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so yeah, let's see here.The May Uprising took place in Dresden,
Kingdom of Saxony, eighteen forty nine. It was one of the last of
the series of events known as theRevolutions of eighteen forty eight. And you
know it was the last because ithappened a year later. Let's see here.

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The National Assembly really depended upon thecooperation of the old leaders and the
emperor. All this became too clearwhen Friedrich Wilhelm the Fourth refused to accept
the crown of You know, hewas let's see. Relations started began in

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March eighteen forty eight. This wasin Germany in general, starting in Berlin
in the spring, across the otherstates which now make up Germany. The
heart of the revolutions was Frankfurt,where the newly formed National Assembly the Frankfurt
Parliament, met in Saint Paul's Churchin May eighteen forty eight. Kng for
a constitutional monarchy to rule a newunified German nation. That was the big

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that was the big motivation for therevolution. To the revolutionary movement in Germany,
it was unification to form the assemblynear democratic elections had taken place across
the German states. The majority ofthe members were Saxon Democrats. On March
twenty eighth, eighteen forty nine,the Assembly passed the first reichsfel Fossil Constitution

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for Germany, and in eighteen fortynine, Friedrich Wilhelm the Fourth of Prussia
was offered the crown. Despite yeah, he didn't want he didn't want to
take the crown. He he refusedto accept it. Movement sprang up across
the German states to force through thenew constitution, but the National Assembly disintegrated

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in Saxony. Friedrich Augustus Uh thesecond never recognized the constitution and also and
now also disbanded the Saxon Parliament.In Wurtemberg, the more radical elements of
the National Assembly formed a rump parliament. And yeah, I know, every

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time I think I hear the wordsof rock Parliament, I always think of
of Charles the First and how heended up beheaded the Meeting of Dead ass
Yeah, uh, which was alsowould it was formed a run parliament in
Stuttgart, which was also was defeatedby Prussian troops. At the same time,

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the people of Saxony began to reactto the repression of the democratic movement.
The May uprising began. Okay,so let's see, let's see there
were provisional there was a provisional government, prominent figures amongst the revolution. Yeah,

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this is hilarious. Before the eventsof May eighteen forty nine, Dresden
was already known as a cultural centerfor liberals and democrats. The anarchist Dresdner
Zeitung newspaper was partially. It waspartly edited by the music director Augusta Ruquel,
and contained articles by Mikhail Bakunin,who came to Dresden in March eighteen

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forty nine. The Saxon government lateraccused Bakunin of being the revolutionary's reign leader,
although this is unlikely to have beenthe case. Roquel also published the
popular democratic newspaper Folksbletter. Richard Wagner, the composer at the time the Royal
Saxon Court conductor, had been inspiredby the revolutionary spirits since eighteen forty eight

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and was befriended by Roquel, Rocheland Bakunin. He wrote passionate articles in
the Volksbletter inciting people to revolt,and when fighting broke out, he took
a very active part in it,making hand grenades and standing as a lookout
at the top of the of thekris kiirchre Fucker. The architect Gottri Semper

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was until eighteen forty nine less politicallyactive, but it had made known his
democratic beliefs and felt compelled to standup for them, also taking a lead
role on the barricades. Others onthe barricades included Pauline Vundlish Gustav Zeuner ludveg
Vitisch made editor of the Dressitor's Ione, and the actress and the actress and

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singer Vilhelmina showed a derientt and shesupported the uprising. Let's see the struggle
of some resident Dresden buildings and ruins. The old opera, two sides of
the Schwinga and the and six houseswere burned down. The number of dead

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rebel is uncertain, but in nineteenninety five the figure was estimated at around
two hundred eight Saxony and twenty threePrussian soldiers died. It did not have
the effect they wanted because the kingwas still in power. Let's see government

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victory. Yeah. So then,so what happened after this was as a
result of the uprising, the faileda Q attempt, the people who were
part of it, you know,like I just named, they had restaurants
out for them, put out forthem. Now, rather than be a

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man and like stand up for itand you know, like try to fight
against it or go to court andplead his case, Vodder quit his job
at court and he and his wiferan off toser to Switzerland to Zurich,

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poor minnah I did. Seriously,if you if you've ever read her better,
she did, if you've ever readher biography, she did. She
deserved much better than that fucker.And that's why my and that's why Sam
called him a bastard. Uh.But uh he Uh. He befriended a

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silk merchant in Zurich who was alsowho was a fan by the name of
Otto Vesendonk, who allowed him tostay, Yeah, who allowed him to
stay on his property. He hada guest house, so he was so

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he was allowed to stay there becauseaccording to autofsen doc he had he came,
you know, with no money,and then he just fled. He
just got up out of his houseand ran off. Uh. And so
he financially backed him. Uh.He was in the middle of writing Zigfried

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at the time, uh, whichif you were, if you recall,
he wrote the ring cycle backwards.He wrote to good to dem rong Force,
but then zigfreed and then Divalkira andthen that's wrangled and uh, wouldn't

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you know it. Now Auto hada wife and her name was Matilda,
and Matilda was a published poet inher own right, and uh, Vagner

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met her and uh, his hishis boner was activated, and he feels,
he got pass feels, he gotlots and lots and lots of pants
feels, I shall always say.And uh. At the same time he

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was writing Ziegfried and having his pantsfeels for Matilda, he was also reading
a German translation of the of theLegend of Tristan Tristan and he's olda and

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I guess he's saw this the theuh clandestine knocking boots story of theirs,
and and thought it was a beautiful, you know, literary version of the

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knock in the boots story between himand Matilda. And do not tell me
that they didn't fuck. There arepeople out there who say it was either
a platonic French it was a botonicalplatonic relationship, or it was just a
crush on his part, or itwas a crush on her part. Bullshit,

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they were fucking, They were fucking. Do not tell me they weren't.
Don't tell me they weren't. Yeah. So yeah, like if if
Vagner was had Deunise's line at theend of that with my thing, it
would be with my landlord's wife.Mm hmm, yep. So I mean

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my god, you're like, it'slike, h he wrote a horny,
damn opera and the damn opera.Yeah, he wrote a fucking that's the
like, like, seriously, ofall the operas he wrote, that's like
the horniest one he wrote. Andthat's the only like like fuck, come

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on, yeo, they fucked.Okay, they fucked. They fucked.
So he was like, oh mygod, down there, I'm he touched
my down there. He touched herdown there. Yeah, looked at her

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and went I like can I oh, oh my god. But uh yeah.

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So he's like, oh my god, this is such an this is
such a beautiful story. I'm soinspired to write this. I have to
write this. So guess what hefirst? Yeah, so guess what he
did. He he shoves Zigfree tosideand shoved himself into Matoda Vessendong Yes again

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and again, banger after banger after. I don't know that James will appreciate
us using it for that, butat the same time, we're not wrong.
No, oh, we love yourSeamus anyway. He yeah, yeah,

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he shoved Ziegfrey aside and shoved himselfin Matilda, And in the process
he also did something he'd never done, and he'd never done before. And
he didn't do afterword. Now thisis this is another reason why I think

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they fucked. Like I said,he'd never done this before, he's he'd
never done it afterward. He always, for his operas, always wrote the
librettos, for the libretti for hisoperas, every opera he wrote, he
did not use another outside person foryou know, to write the libretto.

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You like Verdi wrote his libretti whilehe was upsetting. Yeah, write the
libretti and eat spaghetti. But youknow like Verdi did that, Puccini did
that. You know b s did. Other people did that. You know,

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the very outside of Vogner, thereare very there are very rare instances
where the where the composer wrote theirown libretto. Uh, but Vogner,
it was it was normal for himto do that. He never let another
person come in and write the librettofor him, except for five lead leader

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five songs art song based on poetryby Matilda mm hmmm. He wrote for
orchestral music for four orchestral pen movements. Yes, yes, for orchestral pen

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movements. Now there there's one.It's called im Tribe House and uh,
some people interpret that as him beinghomesick for Germany. Nice law. Yeah

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he was. He was homesick forher, for her, for her who
lah he was. He was piningfor her pussy okay, pyeing for her
fiord. Yeah, so he wrote, so he did he does. The

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only time he wrote, he usedanother person's words. With that, he
said another person's words to music.The only time he did not do that.
He didn't do it ever again,he didn't do it beforehand, only
time. Why would he have donethat only for Matilda if he wasn't stipping

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her two into oblivion? Okay.Yeah. So so he's doing this and
he gets inspired to write a aan opera version of Tristan, and he's
olda and he he does this,and you know, he stipped her.

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And at one point he finished whathe called the poem, which is the
libretta. He called it the poemthe libretto, and was reading it to
a group of people. Okay,he is something that has simple to hear
it. And in the audience werethree prominent people. There was Minna okay

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pull long, long suffering wife.There was Matilda long sufferings yeah yeah,
the side chick, and also awoman by the name of Cosima Fambulo with
her husband. Yeah, his otherlong suffering side chick. Yes, yeah,

(44:00):
his future long suffering side chick.Uh yeah, we'll get to her
in a little bit. But itwas like a pa It was like a
past peasant and future cavalcade of whohot. Yeah, it was uh yeah,
who ha who ha of you know, Yeah, it was like who

(44:22):
of past, cavalcade of cap ofsnatch. We can't say that word on
this podcast. Yeah, cavalcade ofsnatch. Every time I hear that,
I think of Mo from Slapshot andthe next and that pops into my head.
Is you make me sick when youspeak Morris? Yeah. So it

(44:50):
was like it was like the itwas like the Pussy Pussy of Pussy Parade.
What was it that was the Yeah, it was it was the the
Ghosts of Pussy past president of future. Uh and uh and he's reading this
okay, so is that yeah?Which which it was. It was hilarious.

(45:12):
At one point all three of themwere in that audience. Well,
not long after that, men Ifound out he made the he made these
the dumb ass mistake of not hidingletters that he was writing to her okay,

(45:36):
so and not hiding letters that shehad written to him. And of
course what did he do when sheconfronted him, Oh that that's not what
it means. That's that that's themeans. I'm not dicking her down.
I know, you know I'm not. I'm not fucking that girl. She

(46:00):
got onside, checked with you,what the hell are you talking about?
But Minna, she's a girl.She did not believe him. Minna ain't
stupid. So she she chucked himand went back to Germany. But him
at Matilda. Yeah, but thenwent no yeat. Yeah. But before

(46:27):
she left for uh for uh Germany, she yeah, she left the little
note for Matilda. Hang on,let me let me get this pulled up,

(46:49):
because I want to. I justwant to read. And by the
way, while he was in whilehe was in Switzerland, uh he wrote
he wrote that infamous uh essay judaismand music. Yeah he he uh yeah,

(47:15):
him's a peepyhead. Yeah he wrotethat I'll see here we go because
I want to. Vagner would laterdescribe as the last as his last days

(47:36):
in Zurich as a veritable hell yeah, because he got yeah, let's see
uh he you see it was duringthe absence of the two women that Fogner
began the composition sketch of the secondact of Tristan. However, minutes return

(48:00):
in July, she went to aspa eighteen fifty eight, did not clear
the air, and on August seventeenth, Fagier was forced to leave both Minna
and Matilda and moved to Venice.So this is what Minna wrote to Matilda
before she left and went back toDresden. I must tell you with a

(48:22):
bleeding heart that you have succeeded inseparating my husband from me after nearly twenty
two years of marriage. Made thisnoble deed contribute to your peace of mind,
to your happiness. Ooh yeah yeahso he yeah, so she was

(48:50):
like, fuck you bitch, youcan have him now. You know,
he finished the second act of TristanVader did while he was in He was
in Venice for those eight months,and he was he was afraid he would
be extradited to Saxony and where hewas still considered a fugitive, because you

(49:17):
know, he he ran like anidiot, He ran like a he ran
like a scared bitch. And yes, so he moved to instead of going
back to Zurich because he because youknow, I'm sure Auto Vessendoc was like,
do you know what he did tomy wife? Yeah, I will

(49:37):
draw you diagrams. Yeah. Sohe went to Lucerne and he composed the
last act of Tristan there, andhe completed it in August of eighteen fifty
nine. So but by this time, by this time, Matilda wanted nothing

(49:59):
to do them. He never sawMatilda again after that. Good. Yeah,
well then, of course, uh. He found it very hard to
stage Tristan Undizolda. Uh. Hewas even invited this is hilarious by Pedro,

(50:25):
the second Emperor Brazil, to stagehis operas in Rio in Italian.
Uh. He wanted it stage inItalian. That they're all in German,
right, he wanted it staged andItalian. Uh. He told Liszt he
was considering settling in Rio, uh, and that that city would be given

(50:49):
the honor of premier in Tristan.Wagner sent the Emperor bound copies of his
earlier operas an expression of his interests, but nothing more came of that plan.
He then proposed that the premiere taket take place at Strasbourg, the
Grand Duchess of Baden had had showninterest. Again nothing happened. Uh So,

(51:12):
then he decided he wanted to goto Paris. Uh So then,
but but there was a staging ofton Houser at the Paris Opera that what
tits up, and He's like,no, I'm not doing it there.
So he he offered the work tothe opera in Carls Room, which is

(51:38):
near Striptgart in eighteen sixty one.I guess nothing came of that either.
Wagner visited the Wien and he waslooking for singers, and the Wien offered

(51:59):
to stage he wanted. He wastrying to get it staged in Dresden.
I don't know why he would gettrying to get staged in dres and he
couldn't go back Weimar and Prague.That fell apart. Uh He couldn't get

(52:21):
it staged into Vienna even and itgot this reputation as being something that it
couldn't be, that couldn't be staged, that would never be performed. So
guess who swooped in and saved theday. His buddy, his buddy,
King Ludwig the Second, his bff. Uh He became a sponsor of Wagner,

(52:51):
he granted the company, he grantedhim a generous stipend and supported Wagner's
artistic in Denver's endeavors, and otherwiseI'd like to know what the other ways
were that enough resources could be foundto mount the premiere of Trustani Zolda.
Hans von Bulo was chosen to conductthe pro production at the nascial Teata in

(53:19):
Munich, but of course there wasa little there was a little plot twist
to this because Vonder was stripping Hans'swife Kossima at the time. Of course,

(53:45):
even then, the planned premiere onMay fifteenth, eighteen sixty five had
to be postponed until the Ezolda mountMalvina Schnor von Carlsfeld had recovered from hoarseness.
So the work finally premiered on Junetenth, eighteen sixty five, with
Malvina's husband Ludwig partnering as for Tristan. If you've ever seen there's this iconic

(54:09):
photo of them as Tristan Easelda inthe first performance, and of course when
it was when it was staged againin Munich back in twenty twenty one,

(54:30):
Jonas and Anyet Heartros they recreated thepicture. They've recreated that picture. I
thought that was cool, okay,but then that shit started to happen.

(54:51):
Oh wait, there's more fuckery.Yes. On July twenty first, eighteen
sixty five, having sung the roleonly four times, Ludwig died suddenly,
prompting speculation that the exertion involved inseeing the part of Tristan had killed him,

(55:14):
and of course, the stress ofperforming Tristan has also claimed the lives
of conductors Felix Model in nineteen elevenand Joseph Kyleber in nineteen sixty eight.
Both men died after collapsing while conductingthe second act of the opera. I'm

(55:35):
not talking about the marathon hour wherein Act three where Tristan is on this
dage. I'm talking about Act two. They collapsed the Sexy Times act.
Yeah, they died, you know, like what like fifty seven years part
in the same act, after conductingduring the conduct the same act, Malvina

(56:06):
now back to poor ol Ludvik.Malvina sank into a deep depression over her
husband's death and never sang again,although she lived for another thirty eight years,
it said for some years thereafter.The only performers of the rules were
another husband wife team, Heinrich Vogeland Theresa Vogel. So it so then

(56:36):
the next production trists On was inWeimar. He supervised another production of Tristan
in Berlin in eighteen seventy six.Now, the only time it was ever
promoted, it was ever staged atby Roy was after he died. She

(56:57):
oversaw this in eighteen Kosma by thenshe was his wife, saw this,
oversaw this in eighteen eighty six,a production that was widely acclaimed. But
uh yeah, that yeah, ofcourse, you know, it's just yeah,

(57:23):
it's just oh my god, youknow, the let's see here,
I'm trying to see here. Therewas like there was something about that he

(57:52):
was let's see. Oh yeah.Some people were saying that. Some people
were saying that the read that thereason they think it was an unrequited romance
between him and Matilda was because uhuh it was the reason he he was

(58:22):
inspired by He was inspired to writethis was because he was he was he
wasn't able to be with Matilda,which is bullshit. Yeah, it was.
It was fun. It was funnywhen it premiered. This is what
happened. This is what they Someof the UH reviews said, not to

(58:47):
mince words. It is the glorificationof sensual pleasure, tricked out with every
titillating device. It is unremitting materialism, according to which human beings have no
higher destiny than after living the lifeof turtle doves to vanish in sweet odors
like a breath. In the serviceof this end, music has been enslaved

(59:10):
to the word. The most idealof the muses, has been made to
grind the colors for indecent paintings.Wagner makes sensuality itself the true subject of
his drama. We think that wethink that the stage presentation of the poem
Tristan and Zolda accounts to an actof indecency. Wagner does not show us

(59:35):
the life of heroes of Nordic saga's, which would edify and strengthen the spirit
of his German audiences. What hedoes present is the ruination of the life
of heroes through sensuality. AKA needsmore titties. Yeah. Edward Hanslick's reaction

(01:00:02):
in eighteen sixty eight to the preludeof Tristan, You know that foreshpiel that
beautiful melody was that it reminds oneof the old Italian painting of a martyr
whose intestines are slowly unwounded from hisbody on a reel. Okay, now,

(01:00:24):
in eighteen eighty two, when itfirst premiered to London, this is
what it said. We cannot refrainfrom making a protest against the worship of
animal passion, which is so strikinga feature in the late works of Wagner.
We grant there is nothing so repulsivein Tristan as in Duvulker, but

(01:00:46):
the system is the same. Thepassion is unholy in itself, and its
representation is impure. And for thosereasons we rejoice in believing that such such
works will not become popular. Ifthey did, we are certain their tendency
would be mischievous. And there isthere whore some cause for congratulation in the

(01:01:09):
fact that Wagner's music, in spiteof all its wondrous skill and power,
repels a greater number than it fascinates. Oh my God, wrong, oh
oh, I love those. MarkTwain, on a visit to Germany,

(01:01:36):
heard Tryst on it by and commented, I know some and have heard of
many who could not sleep after it, but cried the night away. I
feel strongly out of place here.Sometimes I feel like the one sane person
in the community of the mad.Sometimes I feel like the one blind man
where all others see the one gropingsavage in the college of the learned,

(01:01:59):
and always service, I feel likea heretic in heaven. Oh oh,
oh oh. Clara Schuman, youknow, Robert Schuman's wife who later who
went on later to stoop. JohannesBrahms Uh wrote that Tristan Izolda was the

(01:02:25):
most repugnant thing I have ever seenor heard in my life. Of course,
though after over time Verdi said thathe stood in wonder and terror before
Wagner's Tristan. George Bernard Shaw whatTristan said Tristan was an astonishingly intense and

(01:02:52):
faithful translation into music of the emotionswhich accompanied the union of a pair of
lovers, and described it as apoem of destruction and death. Richard Strauss
initially did not like Tristan, buthe claimed that Vagner's music would kill a
cat and would turn rocks into scrambledeggs from fear of its hideous discords.

(01:03:15):
Lows later, however, Strauss becamepart of the byword coterie, and,
writing to Cossimer Wagner in eighteen ninetyteen, declared, I have conducted my
first Tristan. It was the mostwonderful day of my life. In nineteen
thirty five, he wrote to JosephGregor one of his librettis, that Tristan

(01:03:35):
and He's Older was the end ofall Romanticism, as it brings into focus
along the longing of the entire nineteenthcentury. No, so everyone in the
nineteenth century had a booner. Iguess at the same damn time. I
guess. Let's see, let's see. Yeah. I mean, it's it's

(01:04:02):
like, I mean, there areso many recordings and everything, but it's
just the the hilarity of it all, you know, that, like the
the sordid fucking backstory of it.You know, like you think of the

(01:04:23):
story itself, that the the uhstoryline itself in the opera, and it's
like that's nothing compared to how,you know, to what led up to
it. You know, Let's see, Yeah, let's see here, what

(01:04:44):
else, Let's see what do wehave here? Bullsh yeah? Uh,
let's see. Oh. It waspart of the it was a recording of

(01:05:04):
Tristan is put in The Birds Hitchcock'swould be The Birds. A recording of
Tristan is prominently displayed in the scenein which Andy resigningly reveals to Melanie her
unrequited love for Mitch. Uh.Yeah, let's see here. But seriously,

(01:05:27):
that seriously, like, you couldn'tmake that ship up. You couldn't
you could not make that fucking shipup. I mean, think about it.
And and in the actual the actualpoem, in the actual legend of

(01:05:50):
Tristan Uzolda, they don't die atthe end. They you know, they
go off. They they either gooff to get there or there they go
their separate ways. And but Wagnerwrote it in such a way that if

(01:06:11):
they couldn't be together they would die, well then perish. Wagner. Yeah,
really, like, yeah, thereare people who have been an unrequited
you know, situation of situations ofunrequited love. But I don't think they've

(01:06:35):
got they would you know, theywere of the mindset that if I can't
have this person, we should bothdie. No, that's Wagner. That's
Wagner's boner talking. That is hisboner talking. Yeah, he I I

(01:06:59):
think of I think of Tristan isold as as a big old Mary Sue
opera. You know that Tristan isactually yes, yes, Richard Darkest Dementia
Raven Wagner, Richard Ebony Darkest DementiaRaven Wagner aka Bitch Lasagna. Yes it

(01:07:42):
is. It is the Maya Immortal. Kids. If you're not familiar with
My Immortal, uh go look itup at your own at your own peril.
If you find the Amminition song,give it a listen because the song's
awesome. But the if you findthe the uh the dumpster the dumpster fire,

(01:08:12):
yep, the dumpster fire fan fiction, then yeah, do not do
the do not do the thing.No, No, you're gonna, you're
gonna, you're gonna ruin your goodface eyes and you're gonna fly your face
eyes, your good face eyes.Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna, you're
gonna really right in front of mygood face eyes that I now have to

(01:08:32):
throw out. Yeah, that's this, that's what happens if you read it
and you're and what happens is partof your brain starts to liquefy and leak
out of your ears. Can confirmI read it back in the day.
Yeah, I and I and II have read it too, And yeah

(01:08:56):
I thought Star Truck, I thoughtStar Trouk made my brain leak a little.
And did you almost call him sharkdr I did? He caused a
brain short I did, because hewas you know, he he was the
guy that wrote no Exit. Yeah, hell's other people. Yeah he wasn't

(01:09:23):
wrong, no no, uh butyeah that Yeah. Tristan and He's Olda
is the may Immortal of opera.It is. It is an early I
I say it's it's a really goodexample of O. G. Mary Sue

(01:09:46):
fan fiction. It is Wagner isTristan, Matilda is He's Olda. And
Marca King Marca is Auto fucking allto in the words of in the words
of George Colin, George Carlin,it's fucking auto man. Honestly, every

(01:10:12):
time I hear that name, Ithink of George Carlin. He fu man.
Uh but yeah, that that seriously, I I he he it's it's
self, it's self insert fiction.It's a self insurt opera. It is,
and we know where he wants toinsert himself. Yeah. I think

(01:10:41):
he would be appalled if he sawthe stagings that did not involve heavy petting
and and and physical clearness in acttoo. You know, I think he'd
be appalled if he if he saw, if he saw the characters see opposite
sides of the stage while they're singingthis beautiful you know, while they're singing

(01:11:06):
uh o Zinka Nita nova, it'sthat you know, that beautiful romantic uh
uh duet between them, but betweentristanis Olda. I think he would be
appalled because like, wait a minute, they're supposed to be together, get
it together. Yeah, that that'swhat I say. You know, these

(01:11:28):
these these abstract versions where they're separatedand they're trying they're singing about being you
know, being together and dying oflove for each other. It's like,
uhh, that's not how it works. That's how any of this works.
That's not stipping. That's not yougot a stipper, you got a pretty

(01:11:54):
In the paraphrase Ralph Wiggam, everybodyhas to be high. Yeah. This
is my favorite moment from the episodewhere they're running comic book Man's shop.
He walks into the porno comic section. Everybody's hugging well you know, yeah,

(01:12:19):
yeah, it's a vaginal hug,sweetie, if everybody everybody is indeed
hugging. Yeah, it's there's there'rearmed hugs and mouth hugs and faginating hugs.
Yeah yeah who ha hugs. Yeah. But uh yeah, but seriously

(01:12:45):
that you know, I think Ithink he would be he'd be like,
why why are you not showing?Yeah, the need to show more titties.
Yeah, more titty and more,you know, more more sat x
here. Yeah to quote, toparaphrase, it's always done in Philadelphia.

(01:13:06):
Crime penetration, crime, full penetration, crime, more penetration, and then
it just kind of ends. Gee, that's a that's a good description of
how of how it was written crimepenetration. I'll get description written, Oh

(01:13:38):
my god, crime penetration, crime, full penetration, crime. Oh,
like the whole thing is because thisis the full thing that Dennis A that

(01:14:00):
says, and I really I justRob Mcalenny, Charlie Charlie, Danglen Howard
and our fucking comedic geniuses. Thissays, Now they're writing an action movie.
And he says, now here's thetwist, and there is a twist.
We show it, We show allof it, because what's the one
thing missing from all action movies.Major thing missing from all action movies these

(01:14:21):
days, guys, full penetration.We're gonna show full penetration, but we're
gonna show a lot of it.I mean we're talking, you know.
And this is where it reminds meof Wagner. Yeah, I mean we're
talking, you know. Graphic scenesof Dolph Lungern really growing to the town
with this hot young lab tech frombehind sixty nine, anal vaginal cowgirl,
reverse calgirl, all the hits,all the big ones, all the good

(01:14:43):
ones. Then he smells crime again. He's out busting heads. Then he's
back to the lab for some morefull penetration, smells crime, back to
the lab, full penetration, crimepenetration, crime, full penetration, crime
penetration. And this goes on andon and back and forth for nine or
so minutes until the movie just sortof ends. If that is not an

(01:15:03):
accurate depiction of Trustan and it isold, yeah, I don't know what
is Yeah, both sides of it, the backstory and the opera itself.
I mean, god, but seriouslythough that it's like, this is like

(01:15:31):
it's just it's seriously, It's likewhen I I love I. I I
like mentally, I'm like every timeI every time I talk to somebody,
I'm like, I am dying totell them this, this backstory, this
sort of backstory because I and thisis one of the things I was I've

(01:15:59):
told people one of my favorite thingsabout researching operas is finding out these little
bits and pieces about how they werecomposed, or about the composers, or
about you know, the source materialthings like that. Uh, you know,
like with Madama Butterfly, how thesource material was it that Uh,

(01:16:21):
Chochasan and Sorrow and Suzuki, theyall disappear. They don't she doesn't die.
They will just disappear. And youknow in and that uh you know
Verity and not Verity, but uh, god damn it. What is his

(01:16:45):
name? Victor Hugo, that's right. Uh. He was the source material
for for one of Wagner's operas,and we found out that he was a
whore. He was a man horror. You know, that's one of those
things that you don't that you don'tlearn about in world literature. Uh,
you know, you don't you don'tlearn about that. It's it's it's just

(01:17:13):
oh, you also don't learn inin your music class that Duboosie was a
womanizer. Puccini, Yeah, DuboPuccini. I mean he waited, he
fathered a he fathered a child witha married woman, and then when her
husband died, he turned around andmarried her finally. Uh, and you

(01:17:40):
know things like that. And ofcourse Vogner is a woe, you know
he Oh and by the way,at the end of his life he was
Kusuma accused him of cheating on her. I mean he probably did. Yeah,
he couldn't keep it in his pants, even when he was dying,

(01:18:02):
even when he was Your pants werefor suckers, but for a completely different
reason. Seriously, he couldn't.He couldn't keep it in his pants.
Jes Yeah, it's around. Solook my tang tang. Yeah. Oh

(01:18:30):
and of course you know he's stopping. He's stipping. Uh we can't.
Yeah, he's stopping like half ofEurope. He's stipping half of Europe.
And uh, wouldn't you know it. Cosima Fumbula was the daughter of Franz
List. How thrilled do you thinkFranz List was when he found out that,

(01:19:00):
uh, his son in law,his new son in law was Richard
Wagner. Nope, I mean i'dbe like, I'm sure he tolerated him
for his daughter's sake, but likemostly noted. Yeah. Mentally he's like,

(01:19:26):
get the fuck away from me,you know, like like Mitch Heedburgh
talking about the letter B. Hello, what is your hello, son in
law? What is your name?Regard Wagner, Get the fuck away?
Yeah, that is his name,Get Richard, get the fuck away Vagner

(01:19:51):
to get the fuck away. Butyeah, that so that kid's is our
anniversary, our anniversary retelling of thesordid twisted tail of uh of Tristan.

(01:20:12):
And he's olda and how Richard Wagneris a bum ass bitch Lasagna who could
not keep it in his pants,a dick that nobody asked for. No,
no, fuck him for ruining you, fuck him for ruining Jacobin Meyer

(01:20:43):
Beer's reputation and legacy. The manwas dead. It's like, stop,
stop, he's already dead, andyou fuck god. He and he just
ruined it because he had to puthis name on that little on that little

(01:21:04):
judaism and music rant. He firstpublished it anonymously and then he put his
name on it, and then everybodywas like, oh, well if Wagner
doesn't like Meyer beer because he's Jewish, then I guess he's he sucks.

(01:21:26):
No wonder, no wonder. Vagnerwas like the the Nazis' favorite composer.
Nobody of substance loves you Wagner.Yeah, boah. But I've always like

(01:21:47):
I like I've said, you know, you can you can like his you
can appreciate his music, you canpraise him for his talentant Yeah, like
I say, brilliant composer, absolutedog ship, human being, sad fucking

(01:22:09):
human being. Yes, he isthe the Paglia of humanity. Oh my
god, he is. He is. He's a Palaachi humanity holy ship.
Yeah damn. So so that endsour you know, if they're we don't

(01:22:38):
have anything else to add. Thatwas my That was what I wanted.
That was the main thing I wantedto do, was to retell the tale.
Yeah we we uh yeah we youknow our our friends, will you
know, with a with a witha nod to our friends at a hockey

(01:23:00):
night, forgiven and forgiving me theinspiration to do this. This is the
This is our version of reasons WhyI Love you, Reasons Why Richard Vogner,
London. Yeah, reasons why Ilove you, oh my god much.

(01:23:40):
Huh. But yeah, we wewant to We want to thank you
guys for sticking with us. Weknow that we have been scarce. We
yes, we have. We doapologize heartily for that, but we will
find we will unearthed some yes,and there will be more ship fuckory in

(01:24:05):
the future. We we we do. We we will tell you that.
You know, there's ore. Thereis our podcast you can listen to.
You can go and listen to gogo go listen to the original uh review
of Tristan He's older because yeah,and go to the go to our tea

(01:24:30):
public page. There is the ofcourse we have the we have that shirt
that says die Already and it's theguy poking Tristan. It's part of our
It's part of our little trio dieAlready shirts, along with uh uh,
along with Farder and Violetta, yeahand and yeah, uh just you know,

(01:25:01):
we do. We honestly do appreciateyou guys. We you know,
we didn't think that we would havethis big of a of an audience after
four years. We didn't think we'dhave any audience after two or three months.
I figured we wouldn't have any audienceafter we accused Domingo of not being

(01:25:24):
an actual Tenor. That's true,that's true. Yeah, but we but
we grew, but after that,we got more yeah listeners after that.
Yeah, thank you guys for believingin our in our in our conspiracy theory.

(01:25:48):
There not a conspiracy theory because headmitted it. It's not a conspiracy
theory if he admitted it, Ifhe admitted that he started out as a
part own and was and switched toTenor because it made more money. Yeah,
that's not conspiracy theory. You know, we want to and we want

(01:26:11):
to thank what of course, wewant to thank you. We want to
thank Spreaker for giving us this,for giving us this platform, for helping
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Uh, you know our fans,you know, our are a big
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(01:26:32):
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Yeah, and putting up with usand giving us, putting up with

(01:26:58):
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(01:27:18):
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(01:27:40):
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And and we want to think thatwe want to thank our inspirations, you
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(01:28:03):
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(01:28:24):
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(01:28:48):
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all these damn hijinks yep, mmhm yep. So goings on,

(01:29:15):
so uh until next time, becausewe are going to do I would just
see, oh you know what,I almost forgot one thing. If you
guys are interested. I ad mentionedthis to Anna, If any of you
are interested, Harvard University has freeclasses. I think it's ed X dot.

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It's like the ed x website.It's through there under Arts and Humanities
that there is a class that analyzesthree operas. They're all operas that we've
talked about that we've reviewed. MeyerBeers Lace, you can know Wagner's Dust

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wrang Gold and Verity is a Tello. Now keep in mind our reviews and
you know, and then you know, you can study that there. The
class is available now through next May, so you have plenty of time to

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look that over if you're interested.It's like I said, it's free.
They they give you the materials,they give you the you know, the
the videos to watch things like that. I I took a class through Harvard
through ed X on Jewish scripture andI loved it. I loved it so

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much that I took that material thatI learned and turned it around and taught
a small group of method about Jewishscripture. Mm hmm to great success.
People loved the people. The peoplewho were in that group liked it.
They liked they liked my class.So so you know, heart a Harvard

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of course, you know it's it'slike up there, so you know it's
gonna be good. So go ahead, and you know, I like,
I'm gonna do it at some pointin the next year. I'm gonna I'm
gonna do that because I will becauseyou know, because you know, one
is historically semi accurate. We haveVagner, who you know, we all

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know about him and then we havea Tello which is based on Shakespeare.
Okay, so you think of thosethree. You think of those those three
like you have Norse mythology, youhave an actual uh historical event, and
you have Shakespeare as your source materialfor those three different operas. You know.

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So there's your jumping off point inmy opinion. Yeah, and see
what you know, how they howthey dive into it, analyze it and
stuff, and you know, I'mI'm I'm looking forward to doing this later
on. So there's that you cando, you know, Go go listen

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to our podcast, Go on ourFacebook page. I'm going to put a
link on our Facebook page to thatclass. And you know, of course
go to our tea public shop byour ship. Uh buy our ship yep.
Because next year I'm going to Munichfor my to celebrate my fifth yeth

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birthday and uh yonis is and I'macting Jonics there finally because he'll be there
at the end of the month inrecital and I may need that bail money
after I may need that money.Oh anyway, so Anna after four years

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hap annivers miis Happy annivers miss toyou too, my friend, Yes,
and happy anniversmis to all you guysout there and offer trash land. We
love you and we'll talk to younext time. Bye bye,