Debunking the Flip-Flop Driving Myth

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was reading an article earlier.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yes, turns out, a barber down the street from me
got arrested for drug dealing.
I was surprised.
I've been going to that guy foryears and never knew he was a
barber.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Oh no, hey everybody, welcome to the Outer Belt.
I'm Patrick and you're on MFRunes Chewy.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Buttermilk Eric Zucchini bread.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
And Jerry.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
And we're back episode two of season four In
unison.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I like it.
It was like harmonious.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's so great to be back on this show.
We had a lot of fun last week.
Didn't get to cover a lot ofbusiness, but we got to catch up
.
That was always fun, although,melissa at Buttermilk rather you
tend to be more of a mustardfan, not so much the ketchup.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
What kind of mustard do?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
you like Haagen-Dazs French's?
That's not the right one.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
French's.
I think that's ice cream.
I think it's ice cream.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, you heard it from my ventriloquist voice
across the room.
It's French's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm a fan of that stuff from Wisconsin, the beaver
mustard they got all thedifferent flavors, they got a
nice spicy one.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Is that the one you put on your?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
beaver tot, what are they called?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Beaver nuggets From Bucky's.
I've never done that.
I don't go to Bucky's.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I've heard about it.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Beaver Creek is like short, squatty little gourmet
bottles.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Beaver Creek.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Beaver, what did you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Beaver.
Beaver Creek is.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's a town in Oregon , isn't?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
it no in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh, now we're way off .
Tangent French no in Colorado.
Oh well, now we're way off.
Tangent French's is the rightanswer.
Just good old yellow mustard.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Have you ever had Grey Poupon?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I have, and it's good , you should wipe it off, but
you'd rather French's.
Well, I guess it depends onwhat you're having mustard on.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm a big fan of spicy beaver.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I believe it.
I believe it, but you got to dothe sesame free type.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think if you're going to do that, do you put
like blue cheese on the spicybeaver?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You can.
I mean, it depends on the mood.
Okay, I get that, I get that, Iget that.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
But like a saltine cracker right.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, saltine cracker , a little spicy beaver.
Yeah, a little bit of bluecheese.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think some Ritz would actually be really good.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
So we actually had mustard tonight, or even some
pepperoni.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, yes, pepperoni, we had mustard tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
So we had hamburger salad.
So basically it's a hamburgerminus the bun in the form of a
salad and you still put all thecondiments on it.
That's kind of your dressing,and I did French's mustard.
However, if we're doing like acharcuterie, I'll crack out the
grape poupon or a Dijon of somesort.

(03:04):
So again, it really depends onwhat you're eating in our house,
what goes where for mustards,but we probably have like three
different kinds of mustard.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I didn't have any mustard.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Well, I get that I had mustard.
We have French's because I dobelieve in French's yellow.
However, we also have fake GreyPoupon.
Yeah, we do too yellow.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
However, we also have fake Grey Papon yeah we do too.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Ours is a really boutique brand.
I don't know if you've heard itit's Kroger.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think we have the same one.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
No, it's good stuff.
I do like it.
But I tell you what.
We had dinner the other nightwith Kayla and Eric.
So Eric works in ourmaintenance department.
Kayla is our Panther fleetcoordinator.
She came to town and we met upwith them and they had a mustard
, but it wasn't like a sauce.
That was whole grain, wholegrain, just solid mustard.

(04:00):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
And that was on a charcuterie board.
So again, whole grain is one ofthose kind of like Dijon that
you can go either way with acharcuterie.
I bet it would be good on ahamburger, could be.
You know it was the right kindof cheese.
It's very pungent and strongGorgonzola.
Yes, no.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I thought gorgonzola and pear.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Isn't that a thing, gru?
I thought gorgonzola and pearGruyere maybe.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh, Gruyere would be nice, that's like cheddar right
Very similar, but different Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And you can eat the rind.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I do like the rind.
Yes, actually, last night wasit last night, I don't know, a
couple days ago, I don't knowEric got some cheese.
We were watching a movie and hewent and he came back at the
plate and he had his cheese orwhatever, and he's like, would
you like this?
And I'm like, oh, the cheese.
He's like, no, that right there.
And I was like what is that?
I took it, I ate it.
And I was like, oh, this isgood, what is it?
And he's like it's the rind.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I knew you would like it.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
He cut the r?
Tia strips that you have in asalad sometimes.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
They kind of look like that, but no, I ate all of
them.
They were super delicious.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Rind is where the flavor is at, yeah, but
sometimes it looks like puremold.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Sometimes yeah, you don't always want to eat it.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
No, no, I can't imagine anybody still listening
to us.
So let's talk about something alittle more serious.
The weather outside it'sfrightful, is it not wonderful?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I've had the doors and windows open the last three
days.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I cut my AC off.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's been off for a few days.
You're like take that AEP,record profits.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Thank you.
Yes, you said it, you'rewelcome.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Get to the truth, that's right.
I'm going to hit that minimumpayment, whatever that is.
No, we still have that.
So like, our house is great,but the back window, back of the
house is all windows and itfaces west, so we, and there's
no trees or anything covering it, so we get that afternoon sun
and it is brutal, our house.

(06:00):
When I got in from the yardtoday I walked inside the house
and I'm like, oh my gosh, it'san oven in here, an oven, and
the weather outside was what?
71?
Yeah.
Something like that and it waslike 76 degrees inside the house
so I had to kick the AC on andpull it down.
But yeah, no, the weatheroutside is awesome.
I actually inside of our trucksnot all of them, but a lot of

(06:24):
them have the induction cooktopand every now and then we'll get
a truck back, or someone willjust come to the yard and need a
replacement because thecabinets above the countertop
some of them are set back just alittle bit and when you're
driving down the road things canshift in your cabinets and you
open the door and a can of whatI can only assume are black

(06:49):
olives will come out of thecabinet and just bam, right in
that glass surface and itshatters.
So I did another or we buy themby like the eight to ten at a
time, and so I got to orderthose, brought them down to the
yard at a time, and so got toorder those, brought them down
to the yard and I steppedoutside to start bringing them
inside and I was like, oh, Ishould have worn jeans today,

(07:12):
and I'm glad I didn't.
But just the initial shock oflike it's not hot at all, like I
was expecting it to be hot.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Right, and it wasn't in the least bit.
I think it was like what 49degrees this morning when Vince
and Heather went to the yard.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
North, like Bucyrus and stuff.
They actually were like 41, 40.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I talked to some folks up at Panther Medina today
they had snow.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I did read on the Ohio News and Weather Facebook
channel that the lowesttemperature, I think, was in
Zena, and it was 39 degrees thismorning, wow.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Y'all ready?
It's that time of year.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
It'll be 83 degrees in like two days right.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I'm already ready to put the air back on.
I've been calling that thefalse fall.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, I love fall.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I do too.
This time of the year it's myfavorite time to sit in the
backyard because at night itcools down.
The only problem is we are atthat time of the year where you
kind of got to do a wardrobechange.
You do so you're sittingoutside the sun's out Again.
It faces west, so you're notsweating, but it's warm.
And then, as soon as that sunis below the horizon, you walk

(08:23):
inside, throw a pair of jeans on, go right back outside again,
because it changes that fast.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
What kind of shoes do you wear when you're outside
Tennis?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
No flip-flops, you know.
No Flip-flops to me aresomething I wear to the pool.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You go swimming.
That's about the only time Iwear anything like that, but
it's funny you mention that.
So, Kenny Redd, you were sayingthat you wear thongs right.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yes or slides or flip flops, whichever term you want
to use.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Those are different.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
They are different, completely different.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Completely different.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So as a kid, we would call the shoes with the little
plastic things that go over yourfeet, that go between your toes
, thongs or flip flops, eitherone, the others that just had
the big band across your footand the Nike swoosh, or the
Adidas stripes.

(09:21):
Those were we called thoseslides Under Armour didn't exist
when he was a kid.
No, it didn't.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Nike barely existed when I was a kid.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
It was big where I grew up.
Well, I can imagine oh you werein their backyard.
I know right, Exactly you knewMr Nike.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
He used to hang out with Harry and David.
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I wore flip-flops last Saturday with my summer
dress when we went out.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, that's appropriate.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Mine are glittery from loves.
I'm still rocking my lovesflip-flops.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
What are your thoughts on wearing flip-flops
when you're driving a truck?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So okay, I got to say I don't like flip flops.
In general, I do find them veryuncomfortable.
If I walk a long distance inthem, they will typically rub my
toe raw.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And so it causes me quite a lot of pain, and I've
had the fancy leather ones thatare not supposed to do that and
they still do it, and yada, yada.
I've only found one pair ever.
I think it was a company calledBrazos B-R-A-Z-O-S.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Brazos.
That was a TV show thatfeatured Steve Martin.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Someone's been watching Only Murders Left in
the Building.
They were an Australian companyor something like that, and
Academy Sports in Baton Rouge,Louisiana, sold them Interesting
and then they stopped sellingthem and I was never able to get
them again and I've never founda comfortable pair.
So I will wear them to like aswimming pool, but it's

(10:52):
literally just hotel room to thepool, that's it, and then I
take them off, get in the waterand then put them back on, go to
the hotel room and thenimmediately change into
something more comfortable.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, here's the reason I asked that question it
is an odd question.
It's a very odd question.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Especially coming into fall.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
There have been stories going around on social
media that the DOT officers areputting drivers out of service
for driving while wearingflip-flops.
Can you believe that?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You shouldn't.
I would have, because thosestories that no you shouldn't, I
would have, because thosestories are indeed false, are
they?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yes, they are.
So I saw those stories and Iwas playing along because I
thought you had a joke to gowith it.
But those aren't real.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Those stories are indeed false.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Oh, I legit thought they were real.
So years ago, when I actuallywent swimming at a friend's
house, left there this wasbefore I said no more, I can't
wear flip-flops for an extendedperiod of time I was in my
Toyota Tundra driving back to myhouse, okay, and I was getting
ready to get off at my exit.

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So I took my foot off theaccelerator and went to move it
over to the brake, but the leftside of the flip-flop got caught
under my brake and so I had aninstant moment of terror go
through my heart.
Sure, why is my foot not goingto the brake?
So it only lasted for a half asecond, but a half second was

(12:22):
enough, and I was able to shakemy foot and then get on the
brake and then, once I got off,I actually took my flip-flop off
and I just drove the rest ofthe way home barefoot and I have
not worn them since because I'mafraid that's going to happen
again.
So I only like, even if I wentto the beach or something and I
was going to wear flip-flops outthere, I would wear tennis

(12:43):
shoes.
Get to the beach, change shoes,not while driving.
So I legit thought that wasserious.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I did not know that was.
It's actually not illegal.
There are experts on thesestories and comments that are
saying that they're quoting anFMCSA code.
Yes, and that code doesn't haveanything to do with footwear.
So if you want to wearflip-flops, you're going to
drive barefoot.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
if you're going to wear stilettos, it's perfectly
legal to do stilettos yeah yeah,just don't I could see that
because if it's coming to apoint, rocking between your gas
and your brake would be kind ofeasy.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You never have to take your heel.
Just swivel, just swivel yourfoot right now.
Just swivel your foot um Icould see that.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Do they make stilettos in wide?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
They do.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I'm sure they do.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Chunky heels too.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I don't ever plan on wearing stilettos, but if I do,
they will not be the chunky heel, they will be the tiny pencil
thin.
If you're going to get me to doit and I'm probably only going
to do it for charity, likesomeone's giving someone a lot
of money would be the onlychance I would do that.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
I think we just came up with a fun reason.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
You've been a lovely audience.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Jerry, you can delete that out of the podcast, even
the flip-flops and stilettos,went as far as Crocs, because
ultimately, they're wanting you.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
ultimately, the story was saying from what I read is
that they want you to wear asturdy shoe that's what people
are saying, that the fmcsa isrule requires correct is that
your shoe have a a sturdy hardbottom.
But that's not true no yeah,it's not true at all, but the
the um.
The code people are citing isfmcsr 392.

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Which actually states everycommercial motor vehicle must be
operated in accordance with thelaws, ordinances and
regulations of the jurisdictionin which it's being operated.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It has nothing to do with your footwear of small town
USA and in my small town USA wesaid you couldn't wear
flip-flops while driving acommercial vehicle.
Then in my small town USA youwould have to obey that rule.
Is what they're saying?
Yes?
But if it's so like you comeinto my town, you kick your

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flip-flops off, because we doallow barefoot driving, because
we're gentlemen, and then assoon as you cross out of my city
limits, then you can put yourflip-flop back on.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Fascinating, yes, fascinating.
Is there a small town anywherein America that has such an
absurd rule?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, According to this article.
No, there isn't, there isn't.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
But yeah, they can do that, Okay so, like in some
places in Louisiana I know thereare still towns because I read
these ridiculous rules thatstill exist in towns.
So I know if a woman is drivinga car in some towns in
Louisiana we've talked aboutthis before on the podcast
actually there must be a manwith an orange flag in front

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warning people.
And this comes from, of course,south Louisiana, very back in
the turn of the century, theother turn of the century,
because it's the turn of theother century, two turns of the
century ago.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Two turns.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
They were obviously very racist and very misogynist,
right, and so that's where kindof that rule comes from.
It's still in the books in alot of places.
It's not enforced anywhere.
They just have realized there'sno real reason to waste money
or time or anything to even takeit off the books, but it's
still there.
So that means when Buttermilkor Heather are driving through

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that town, they're not obeyingthis rule, this law.
Okay, well, it's ridiculous,but you know the law is the law.
So no, that's fascinating.
I did not know.
So they're just completelymaking this up.
They're just completely makingit up.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I've heard this rumor growing up as a kid all my life
, like it was always told, likeeven when you drive a car,
you're not supposed to do itbecause it could get caught or
you get into an accident andyour foot could be cut off or
something like that.
It's so absurd.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
But I think that's the common sense side of it, and
maybe, as a child, parents aretrying to scare us straight.
You know their tacticsGaslighting.
This is really what they'redoing, but it worked for a while
, until you maybe adult enoughand go I'm wearing flip-flops.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Mom wore flip-flops all the time.
She would never say that.
She would never tell us, like,don't drive with flip-flops,
because she's doing it.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
There's lots of strong opinions around footwear
in the trucking industry.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Drivers walking into shippers or receivers in
flip-flops Slides, and sometimesthose facilities can be
dangerous.
They're not designed for peoplewalking around in flip-flops.
You know their.
Their staff is mandated to weara still-toe shoe and you're
coming in with your toes exposed.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I've been to places and maybe you have where they
require still toes, and if youdon't have still toes, they'll
give you a okay, a cap to goover your footwear too, too, to
be able to get on site.
I've seen that in the notes.
Before we go to pick up a loadup and they would say like steel
toes required, or onlyclosed-toed shoes, or something
like that they would put that onthere.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
I think again, common sense they were talking about,
should a law be made?
That was kind of more of thearticle was.
Is this something that shouldbe addressed and FMCSA should
come up with the law?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Did you read the rest of that?
I did, but what purpose doesthat serve other than just more
regulations on?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
drivers.
I need to see the.
I want to see the data.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, they were saying it would be so hard to
train law enforcement officerson what on basically becoming a
footwear expert.
You know what does that looklike?
Does everybody have to have asay, make model and brand?
I mean, you know what?
What are you looking for?
How?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
would you enforce it?
How would you?
Well, that's the question ishow do you enforce it?
And then, what do you?

Speaker 3 (18:39):
consider safe and not safe.
So, like when I was working inkitchens, uh, obviously, every,
almost every kitchen, especiallythe fancy ones, you have to
wear closed-toe and you have tohave non-skid.
And if you've ever worked in akitchen, non-slip is important.
Like you need to be able to walkover a nice skating rink and

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not fall, because those kitchenfloors are dangerous.
And Crocs good old-fashionedblack Crocs they made them, as
they still do make them, withthe solid toe, not the one with
the holes, but the solid thatfor most restaurants works.
They're fine with that.
They are non-slip.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
They're non-slip.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
And your feet are protected because they're
thinking like if a knife falls,it needs to be able to protect
it.
Now, if it falls point-firstdown, if I have a tennis shoe on
or if I have a leather shoe,it's going to go through.
A steel toe, it might protectmy toe, but if it goes any
higher it's going to cut throughthere, right?
But they're thinking like if aknife just falls and lands flat,
the croc is going to protect.
But they're saying they don'teven want Crocs.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
But meanwhile that's a non-skid shoe and to me that
makes sense.
I think of where is skidding,where is slipping a possibility,
and I think the fuel bay.
Yeah, a lot of times the fuelbays are pretty slick.
That diesel gets on the grounda little bit drips out when you
move your handle from sometimesfrom the pump to the tank,

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sometimes from the tank back tothe pump, and that area just
gets real slick and theypressure wash them every now and
then but it's still.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I've gotten out in tennis shoes, closed-toed
regular tennis shoes, and movinga little fast and have a little
slip and go surfing on thefield.
So they're not non-slip,they're not required for
non-slip anyway.
Ultimately, this is not a law,it's not a rule in the csrs.
Um, they are not looking tocome after your shoes.
It's just people are making upfake news posts and putting them

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out on social media.
I read it, thought it was fun,thought I shared it with you
guys.
It was interesting what.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
What did you drive in I?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
drove barefoot if I could I get that.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
My preferred was steel-toed boots I had bought.
I did a construction job in NewOrleans years ago If you've
been to the Superdome.
Right next to the Superdome isa huge park.
I mean it's all black asphalt,there's no trees, but it's a
place where they do concerts andparties and stuff.

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So if you go before or after agame there's a band out there
playing and there's tons ofpeople.
There's a bunch of restaurantsand places to get booze and
stuff.
So it's a fun place.
I helped build that.
So when we built it that was arule like period still toes on
the job sites and so I had thoseand I bought Red Wings and they

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were super comfortable.
I love my Red Wings so I broughtthose on the truck with me.
I liked them even over a tennisshoe because they were heavy.
So if you have never driven acommercial vehicle, the gas
pedal especially the brakes onour trucks, are heavy.
They take more force than whatyour car does to use because

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they're actuating an air valve.
They're not going to a brakebooster, and so I liked it
because it was way easier to usethe brakes, it took less effort
on my part, and so that's why Ialways had them.
The only thing I ever had anissue with those steel toes was
in the dead of winter, when it'sso cold, you're running your

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heater on full blast the wholetime, so it's negative 15,
negative 20 outside.
At negative 20, your glass hasno insulative property, so
you're running your heater wideopen and you're comfortable, but
you just have to keep it wideopen and that heater just
blowing right on my foot withthose steel toes, ooh.
I had to put the cruise controlon and, like, tuck your feet

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back to keep your toes fromcatching on fire, and I did have
a pair of composite toes too.
Those were always handy, yeah.
But I always thought safetylike especially some of these
places.
I've seen how some of thesepeople operate and sometimes
it's a culture of safety andsometimes you're like happy to
be out of there.
Sure, Because you're like thesepeople are going to kill

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someone.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, we carried.
I had steel toes on the truckthey might have been composite A
pair of Keens, three-quarterlike six-inch boots, waterproof.
I wore those like twice, yeah,and that was because it was ice
and snow outside, so I wouldkeep my shoes, I'd throw them on
and I needed to be outside fora period of time.

(23:16):
Yeah, otherwise, I had tennisshoes in the truck.
I had slides in my shower bag,shower shoes that I'd wear in
the shower, and if I was drivingthough, if I'm on the road for
eight hours, shoes would comeoff, socks would come off, and
I'd go barefoot.
I hate wearing socks for one,my feet don't like them.
So, yeah, I was barefoot.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, it's probably a healthier way.
Honestly, like you know, theysay you're not supposed to keep
your feet in socks or shoes allthe time.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I think they just want you to be safe.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Ultimately FMCSA.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
But the FMCSA has nothing to do with this.
This is Completely made up,completely made up.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well it was a big hoax.
It went everywhere.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
And I thought it was real.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I really thought it was real.
That's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
What are you driving the viewers Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
We're waiting.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Type your answer in now.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Jerry, you're probably the one that drove the
longest of all of us.
You remember back when you hadto go outside and crank the
engine manually.
What were y'all wearing backthen?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know, I had my Siltos for whenever I needed but
again, like Ben said, I worethem maybe three times in my
whole entire career.
But yeah, 15 and a half yearsof driving.
It was always tennis shoes orflip-flops and I only wore the
flip-flops whenever I hadcross-country runs.
If I knew I was going to bedoing an 11-hour shift and I
wasn't going to be getting outof the truck other than fueling

(24:45):
or something and not even thefuel A lot of times Don would
fuel before we switched orsomething I could run an 11-hour
shift without stopping besidesa break.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Even back in the day, when I first started, there was
no 30-minute break.
Exactly, I absolutely rememberrunning 10 hours and 50 minutes.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
And then I love my flip-flops to you know, you wake
up in the middle of the night,just flip on your flip-flops and
go inside to use the restroomand not have to put on tennis
shoes.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
I always put on tennis shoes.
I did not trust what was on theground?
And so you know.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I didn't trust the flip-flop.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I was always afraid you ever had a blowout in the
flip-flop or you kick it off asyou're walking because you don't
have it on right, oh and thenyou step on yellow asphalt.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
It's like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I'm with you.
I was always tennis shoes.
If I was getting out of thattrick Tennis shoes or my still
toes that was the only options.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was just too much of a hassle to have to sit down
and put on shoes and get ready,and I can just flip flops and go
.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
I kept them right next to me.
Or you have people who keeptheir shoes tied and just slip
them on, or non-tied shoes Slipshoes I was going.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now I have kicks, or they're called kicks K-I-C-K-S,
and they literally just slip on.
They don't have to be tied oranything.
So I love those.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I never untie or tie my shoes Until they get loose.
Then I'll retie them, but Ijust always slip mine on.
I'm lazy and I always have themby the bed.
Now, if I get up in the middleof the night and go use the
restroom and we were at a truckstop or whatever I wouldn't put
socks on.
I would just, you know bareminimum to get me there.
But it was always the shoes andmy flip flops, which are my

(26:23):
shower shoes, which are handybecause there were times we got
hotels and, like you, would goto a pool or whatever those.
So I'd use these, my showershoes, but I always just the $1
flip flop Walmart bin.
Oh, yeah, do you remember thatbin?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Oh, yeah, do you remember that bin?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Oh yeah, it's like four foot by, four foot by three
foot tall.
And there's about 900 pairs ofshoes.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
And I had to get a size half bigger because they
don't have the halves.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I wear a size like a tennis shoe or a 13
flip-flop from Walmart.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
You know what I mean, but in my shower, she's a
little bit bigger anyway, yougot to have a buffer.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
You got to have a buffer.
Exactly, I understand mostshowers.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You don't want your foot overhanging.
No, no.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
And we talk about the bathrooms, we joke about them.
Truck stop showers are actuallypretty darn clean for the most
part and there's such a bigcompetition for truck drivers'
businesses.
Now that's a place where truckstops really like we really do
try to keep our bathrooms clean,the showers clean.

(27:27):
So I know if you're hearingthis you're like, oh my gosh,
we're thinking about going onthe road, but showers, no,
they're like super nice andclean.
Do you have a video of a showeron Loke Shower?

Speaker 4 (27:37):
I think we do.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, we probably need to go take some showers and
redo that video, uh, but lety'all see what it's like,
because it is, uh, they're,they're very clean, yeah, and
they come through between eachperson and they do re-bleach and
, boy, you can tell it's bleachin some places.
You walk in.
It's like whoo, yeah, yes, siruh, it's like a swimming pool
yeah, so you know if there wasfungus, because that's what

(28:02):
we're all worried about rightSure.
On the shower pan.
It's gone, but I just nevercould come to grips with taking
that chance Nope.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
It was always shower shoes I had to wear shower shoes
, no matter what.
And then shower shoes alwayshad their own bag.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And then shower shoes always had their own bag.
Oh, and I blew mine out onetime.
Like getting into the shower,my shower shoes blew out and
they like ripped in two places,so I couldn't like make it work,
you know because, if only thetoe breaks out in a shower, you
can struggle for one shower, butthey really blew it bad and so

(28:37):
we were taking the.
They had two towels in there.
I took one of the towels andthrew it in the bottom of the
shower to get through the shower.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I skipped a shower one time because I forgot my
shoes.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I had to figure something out.
I'm like I gotta Back then.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
You could have stood like a pelican.
I could have.
I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
A little flamingo action.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, I could have Actually did you in it A little
flamingo action.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could have Actually did you see?
A lot of y'all know that I loveto travel and fly and Tampa's
airport if you've ever had achance to go through Tampa their
airport, it's okay.
Their Instagram and theirFacebook page is hysterical.
They have some really goodsocial media people doing it and

(29:23):
the big thing inside of theairport is they have a gigantic
flamingo.
When I say gigantic, eric, ifit stood up how tall would it be
?
100 foot.
I'd say five stories tall yeahit's massive, and they have it
where the legs and very littlebit of the body is into the
ceiling and it's like a three-,four-story atrium.
And then its neck is comingdown on the other side.

(29:45):
Look at it, actually.
You know what?
There's a picture of it rightthere.
That's cool, isn't it?
That is cool.
That's very cool, and so theydid one recently and they said
we're looking for the person whovandalized it.
And they showed the picture ofit and the flamingo was wearing
Crocs.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So yeah, that's the flamingo with the Crocs and
doing that in the shower.
I can see that.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, I'm glad that the story is debunked and people
can wear whatever they want towear While driving.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Or not wear.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
One last thought.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
When you are driving a commercial truck, the uh
accelerator pedal and the brakeare actually further apart than
they are in your car, which doesbeg the question how much of a
safety risk is it really?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I think if you, if you go to move from one to the
other and you just don't getyour foot up high enough, you
can certainly slip underneaththe brake pedal.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'd love some data.
I'd love to see.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I don't think anybody's recording this data,
though It'd be hard to Like howmany accidents have happened
because of Because of flip-flops.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Because of flip-flops .
Well, footwear in general.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, what kind of footwear?
The lack of footwear.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I remember one wreck my mom got into and she didn't
get in many.
It wasn't like one of her many.
That's what it sounded like Ithink she had two wrecks her
whole life, or at least since Iwas alive.
One of her wrecks was accidents.
She was driving, had aTupperware cup with a snap-on
lid and then had a little strawthat went through and you could

(31:19):
drink out of it.
It's kind of like what Eric'sdrinking out of or what y'all
are drinking out of right now,just like the 1992 version of it
.
Sure, and she was holding thelid and going around a corner
and the lid popped off.
The bottom of the cup fell,mountain Dew went everywhere and

(31:40):
she was like oh no, tried tograb it and then when she looked
up she just right into a lightpole.
Yeah, one of her less moments.
But like did they document thatas wreck caused by cup?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
opening.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Like probably not, so they probably didn't record it
that way.
They probably just said driverfault, you know, and driver
error, and left it at that.
So the footwear thing might bethe same deal.
They might just put it down asdriver error and nothing else.
That's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Melissa, you had an interesting article that you
sent over and I have somethoughts, as always always, but
I thought you would introduce it.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
the great state of ohio, our state, is about to
invest 150 million dollars andif you would please let us know
what they're doing well, it'sfor semi-truck parking project
and they announced that it'sgoing to create at least 1,400,
that's a lot new parking spacesfor semi-truck drivers,

(32:45):
obviously in hopes of preventingcrashes.
So just trying to be moresafety aware, spaces will be
constructed across 33 rest areasites throughout the state and
provide additional support fortruck drivers traveling long
distance, and they did start theproject right away.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
so that's about what I know you know, ohio had that
many rest areas yeah, 33 restareas.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Uh, since 2015, the department has identified at
least 689 crashes in ohio thathave been attributed to drowsy
semi-truck drivers.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
That was 689 crashes, crashes.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, leading to 345 injuries and, sadly, two deaths.
So they're just looking formore spaces for the drivers to
pull off and get that restthat's needed, which, as we all
know, parking is an issue atnighttime, and rest is also an
issue.
You got to get that no.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Ohio has redone a lot of their rest areas, yes, and
not just like a remodel torndown ground up dug up the dug up
the concrete yeah everything'sgone and they do them like they.
Usually they're right across thehighway from each other or very
near each other.
They do them both and you canwatch, you can go by.
My thinking is going up 33 whenwe go to fort wayne.

(34:03):
Yes, and the westbound one is alittle further ahead than the
eastbound one, so it's likethey're using the same crew to
go in and do do demolition andthey move across the highway
while the next crew comes in andstarts grading and paving and
then they move across thehighway while the next crew
comes in and starts grading andpaving and then they move across
the highway.
So you can watch them go up instages.

(34:23):
Um, I was going to bolt theother day and on 75 um there's
that one between where you geton at 33 and get off at 23.
I think it is um oh yes, they'redoing road construction through
there, and then the rest areanorthbound is closed.
And then, coming southbound,there's a sign that lists the

(34:47):
next two rest areas, and both ofthose were closed for
construction.
Wow, so it's a littlefrustrating when they have that
many closed.
You know it's there and you getthere and it's closed.
Okay, the next one's 40 milesup, oh, that one's closed too,
but they are tearing them downto the ground and rebuilding
brand new rest areas.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, I like they're giving you the heads up that far
in advance.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh sure, Because you do pass a couple truck stops
that you could pull over andtake those.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I agree, it is weird they're doing them so rapid fire
, which I'm'm again from southlouisiana.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
They did the opposite they just closed a bunch of
them.
Yeah, and that was, that was it.
That's it.
There was, there was no rebuild, no remodel just closed.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
No, they sold the land and it became an on-ramp
for a shopping mall.
Um, but I I was surprised therewere so many, so I just did a
trip up to uh grand rapids anddetroit and then on my way back
I went through uh finley andyeah, and a couple other places,
but it was mostly back roadsand there were a couple of rest

(35:47):
areas out in the middle ofnowhere on those highways and
I'm like, wow, not even aninterstate, this is just a
random highway that they hadthem and I did actually pass.
I don't remember what it was, Iwish I could remember, but I
did actually pass.
I don't remember what it was, Iwish I could remember, but I
did actually pass one.
That was the old style restarea that was still open and I'm
like wow, it's time will come.

(36:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're likeyou're about to be done.
I wonder if they go throughthere and like they don't do
this, but if they went throughthere and they like scrapped
everything so they removed allthe toilets and all the sinks
and they're like we'll use youagain and they redo everything
demolish rebuild and put themall back in there.
No, I don't think they're doingthat.
I think they are taking aCaterpillar front loader and

(36:30):
just tearing it down.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Just tearing it down.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
They're supposed to have the project All the spaces
are supposed to be completedacross all the sites by 2026.
Like you said, it's very fastmoving.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I was going to be cynical and say you know they're
talking about 1,400 new parkingspaces.
Is that new?
After they tear down the oldones, they put 100 spaces in and
call that 100 spaces.
Or is it 1,400 additional?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Well, I I think it's additional.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I think it's 1,400 additional.
Yeah, just the way that we readthe article.
I think it's 1,400 additional.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
New 1,400 new parking spaces yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Well they are.
That makes sense because, ifyou actually think about it, the
old rest areas when you pulledin they had one lane for trucks
and it's parallel parking onboth sides.
The new ones do have legitparking spots at diagonals, so
that has changed.
And some of them I've noticedtoo are off to the side.

(37:34):
They don't quite fit.
It's almost like it was anafterthought.
Sure, they were going to justgo back in with those strips and
maybe because this is happeningright now on some of the brand
brand new ones that they've done, they're kind of off to the
side.
But you know what?
Parking's great, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
When I drove by the one on I-75 south on the way
back, it looked like they hadmore land that they were working
on than that original truckstop rest area had.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, so it looks like they are doing that, but
not deep, wide, wide yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Along the frontage of the interstate.
It was wider.
That's what I saw too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
My original thought was $150 million for 1,400 spots
doesn't sound like a lot, itdoesn't.
It sounds like a ton of moneyfor very few parking spots, but
when you actually do the numbersit's like $1,100 a spot.
That's pretty cheap, I think.
So I don't know that you couldget a parking spot poured on

(38:32):
your property for $1,100 today.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Like that does break down to very reasonable the
groundwork and the grading andeverything.
No, I don't think you could.
It's a bulk rate.
It is a bulk rate.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
They're like we'll do it, but here's the catch.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
We have to do all of them back to back, exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I think that's why they're moving so quick.
It's because building pricesare going up so fast.
I think they're like let's justget it all done.
I was talking with FidaFreightliner when they built
their new building out in WestJefferson.
Thank you, west Jefferson.
They got in a spot where theyhad to pull the trigger on their
building, buying everything,and there were a couple mistakes

(39:12):
that were made and they werefine with it, because the price
of the building was going to goup like 20% if they waited an
additional week.
Wow, like the company that wasproviding the steel and the
structure and everything.
They reached out to them andsaid in like a week, these new
pricing, whatever come through,and you're talking about a 20%

(39:35):
increase.
A 20% increase on millions ofdollars is a lot of money.
Talking about 20% increase?
A 20% increase on millions ofdollars is a lot of money.
So, even though they had acouple hundred thousand dollars
of, we got to fix this or changethis, it saved them in the long
run, a tremendous amount ofmoney.
I'm assuming that the ODOT isprobably going through the same
thing, but you know what's cool.

(39:56):
So I have a criticism and Ihave a compliment.
I'll go compliment first.
Odot is really proven to beforward thinking.
We talked, I think, last season, about the new accessible
changing spaces that they'reputting in these.

(40:17):
And now we see that they're alsolooking at truck parking and
how can we increase that andmake that better?
So they really are focusing onhow can we do this and not just
do it for the sake ofmodernizing or maybe making it a
cheaper place to run.
They're looking at it as likewhat can we do to actually help
the general public?
What can we do to help ourcitizens or residents?

(40:39):
What can we do to help peopletraveling through a state?
And I love that aspect.
That like no, we want you tohave a respectable time here, a
comfortable time here, and it'sreally cool to see that.
The other comment I had aboutit was it's 1,400 more spots.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Over 33 rest areas Over 33 rest areas.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
There's still a ton of trucks moving through here
that are not going to haveaccess to those spots.
The spots will still fill up.
You know, sure Like spreadacross the entire state's
fourteen hundred spots isn't alot.
I don't know how many 18wheelers pass through Ohio in a
given day, but I guarantee youit's more than 100,000 easily.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'm wondering if they've done some statistics,
like if Ohio is a kind of like ahub between certain distances
between other states.
So we know, is it so many hoursfor a solo?
And they finally land in Ohiobefore they deliver to the East

(41:41):
Coast, like if they're comingfrom the West Coast, like is
Ohio landing right in thatperfect space for certain types
of travel?
Obviously even with cars,because, as you were just
stating, they put in somehandicap accessible with lifts
and whatnot, stating they put insome handicap accessible with
lifts and whatnot, so they'reeven thinking about passenger

(42:04):
cars.
But are we that perfectlydestined stop space for a state?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So you've got a few states that have this phenomenon
, right.
Ohio's one of them.
I mean, you look at it on a mapwhen we are at in Columbus,
we're almost dead on 600 milesor 620, something like that, to
new york city, right?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
so that's a shift.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's a shift, a driving it's a driving shift um,
and you see it like we're, wehave a lot of truck stops around
columbus, and then if you go upto um, youngstown, and uh,
there's a bunch of truck stops,and if you go to toledo, there's
a bunch of truck stops.
So it's almost like your peoplethat are governed at 65, here's
where they're going to go, yourpeople that are governed at 70,
here's where they're going togo.
So you do have that.

(42:44):
We are Columbus's specifically.
Columbus is very central toit's something like 60% or 70%
of the population of the US.
But because the interstatehighway system is the way it is,
louisville, kentucky, also getsto claim that.

(43:08):
Cincinnati, ohio, gets to claimthat, indianapolis gets to
claim that.
Gary, indiana and Chicago, theyalso claim part of that right.
Detroit's a little too far northwhere they don't quite get to
claim that right um, but sothose are kind of your major and
if you think about where somuch of the freight is, there's
a reason why those are supercommon places for us to go to.

(43:29):
Yeah, we go to cincinnati allthe time.
We go to columbus a lot of time.
We go to louisville all thetime.
We go to indy all the time,like that's where they can get
to the most amount of people.
So, especially if you're acompany, you're like okay, I
want to build a warehouse to getthe most amount of people
covered with solo drivers that Ican, because solos are way
cheaper than teams.

(43:49):
Sure, um, how do?
Where do I want to put myself?
And that's why you see thesegiant distribution centers.
Cardinal health just built agigantic uh distribution center
over near one of our shops inobets.
Like, um, big lots had it forthe longest time, had a huge
distribution center here beforethey went under.
Um, it's just that's uh.

(44:11):
So, yes, we're, we're a majortrucking hub if you think about
80, 80s, uh, 80, 70 and um, yeah, 80 and 70 are like two of the
busiest interstates period.
They both come through ourstate.
And then Louisville has 65.
65?

(44:32):
It goes through it.
That's one of the busiestshipping channels as well, so
you also get who's the other oneout there.
St Louis also has the same kindof proportion.
They lose the East Coast butthey gain like into Texas and
that.
So that's kind of how they getto say the same statistic, but

(44:54):
they do lose a part of thepopulation.
That makes sense, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I was out at the new Love's out in West Jefferson,
just west of town here, andthere are, just as you can see
from that Love's, there are,three gigantic Amazon warehouses
out there.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yeah, not just one Amazon, three huge Amazon
warehouses plus other warehousesas well yeah, FedEx Ground has
a gigantic presence out thereand they're building All of that
is becoming warehouses.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
So I did look for Columbus Ohio I-70 to 71
corridor.
They said about 17,000 trucksper day.
That's all trucks, not just18-wheelers, and that's just in
that one spot.
Right and then statewidethey're saying for the entire
length of I-71, there's around12,000.

(45:52):
And for 75, 15,000.
That's per day.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yes, and then I-80?
.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
So they don't have 80 on here.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Because we have 80 and 90 that come to here right.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, but 90 cuts across to 80 just east of
Cincinnati 80 and 90.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
No, Cincinnati Cleveland.
I get those two mixed up.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I'm like wow.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
There's so many sea cities.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
The 80-90 is dipping way down low.
I don't remember it coming thatfar.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
So part of the Ohio Tollway it is 80-90.
So they share the same roadyeah.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
I think it changes when you hit Indiana.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
No, I think when you come down into it.
Going west, when it drops downbelow Lake Erie is where they
merge together.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
And then it's merged for quite a while.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's merged for quite some time.
Yeah, Is it all?

Speaker 4 (46:47):
of Indiana.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I don't know.
I don't know it looks like.
No, I think Detroit picks uppart of it.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Oh my goodness, it's been such a.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Oh it's.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Oh, my goodness, that was my least favorite section
of any highway to ever driveoutside of the 12 in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I was going to call BS on that when you said that.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Outside of the 12 in Louisiana.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
So it's Gary, gary is where 80 and 90 split again.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So that's a long stretch of, and those rest areas
are no joke, they're huge, theyare huge.
Well, they're toll plazas upthere too.
That's a long stretch of, andthose rest areas are no joke,
they're huge, they are huge.
Well, they're toll plazas upthere too, they're toll plazas,
they're not.
Yeah, that's a different story.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Okay, i-80, 90, it says 11,000 daily.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
So we're at what?
So not 100,000.
We're at what?
40-something thousand were thethree numbers you said so far.
And that doesn't include I-70.
I-70.
It doesn't include 75.
It doesn't include what's Well,she did say it was 75.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's 15,000.
Okay, per day.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
What is over?
West of here it is 77.
Or east of here, rather 77.
Yeah as well.
And then all the highways,Because I saw there I actually
talked about making it aninterstate.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Yeah, talking about making it an interstate uh, yeah
I said 73.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, throughout the 23.
That's a major hub and that 23is where I saw that rest area,
by the way.
Okay, uh, so yeah, it's, uh,it's fascinating.
Like columbus, I always jokelike you leave uh st louis and
you head, so you leave in stlouis, across the mississippi
river.
Now you're in illinois.
There are 18 interstates, itfeels like.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
There are right there that come together, right there
, that all intersect it isinsanity.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
If you're not on your game, oh, your GPS is like take
the left lane for 77 and 5, 4,3, 2, 1.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Far right lane for it's like whoa, hold on what's
going on here.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Exactly, if you're at home or if you're just
listening and you don't knowwhat I'm talking about.
Pull up an interstate map, orpull up a map, your Google Maps
or your Apple Maps.
Look at St Louis and just lookimmediately across the river
from St Louis.
There is a ton of interstatesin a very, very little area.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
That's what's going to end up happening to Ohio.
I always did from the north.
You kind of drop down, you do ahard U-turn and then you're
back swooping down over here,and then you're on your way to.
It felt like no man's land.
You leave the city really quick.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
You do the river, it's like you cross the river.
It's truck top city and thenfields.
Yeah, it's like there is.
What is it East St?
Yeah, it's like there is.
What is it East St Louis?
There's not much there at all.
There used to be a casino.
Is that a casino?
I don't know if the casino isstill there.
Yeah, there's not a lot.
But it's funny too, becausewhen you're on the Mississippi

(49:28):
River, if you go to the arch andyou actually go up to the top
of the arch, everything west islike a huge city.
There's downtown, there'sskyscrapers, there's just
buildings as far as you can see.
On the east side there'ssoybean fields.
It's quite the line we talkabout the dividing track of the

(49:53):
railroad tracks or theinterstate divides the city or
something.
That river completely changeseverything interesting but uh,
yeah, no, so that's.
That's cool to know.
I'm glad they had that.
The other thing I was wonderingtoo.
So here's my two complaints orcomments or thoughts that are
kind of on the negative side.
One is you know, they talkabout 685 accidents by people

(50:16):
who are drowsy.
Drowsy drivers don't alwayspull over, so we're still going
to have some of that.
Oh sure, Because there arepeople that are like oh, I just
need a little more five hour, alittle more coffee, a little
more satisfaction, whatever.
It is just something and I willbe able to power through this.
Or you know, let me get the.
I remember years ago when I wasdoing sound, uh, I was uh

(50:41):
leaving a gig, um, and I was notpulling the trailer and I was
just trying to get home.
People that were pulling thetrailer actually stayed the
night.
I just wanted to get home.
I had get home itis, and I wasdead tired and it was a
christmas gig, so it was icecold outside.
I rolled the window down, Iturned the heater on full blast
ice cold, hair, air in my face.
Driving down the road, just, Ishould have pulled over and

(51:02):
stopped and slept Like I wasdying.
That was before the age of fivehours, so it was like Red Bull
and that was all I could stomach.
There are people that do thatDriving and that was like a two
hour drive home.
There are people that do thaton their whole shift.
And an 80,000-pound and an80,000-pound or a 46,000-pound

(51:23):
truck like we run, like yeah,and being able to have people
realize I'm tired, I need topull over.
This does solve the issue forpeople that I'm tired, I need to
pull over.
There's no spots here, right.
But it's also trusting thedrivers to know I'm a
professional driver, I'm tired,I need to pull over um.

(51:44):
the second thing and this is my,my complaint against the state
of ohio, and I don't know how tofix this is that I, when I'm
driving a truck to um, fortwayne or something, I don't like
stopping at rest areas BecauseOhio Motor Carrier Patrol.
Sits at those rest areas andthey will pick people coming in

(52:06):
and do random roadsideinspections, and I think that's
wrong.
I think that should be no man'sland If you are at a rest area.
If they want to be there toprotect the peace or keep the
peace, sure, but they should notbe pulling people over and
doing roadside inspections at arest area.
Because that makes me not wantto stop.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
And then you're cutting into your rest time.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Exactly so.
I will go to a truck stopBecause Pilot or Flying J is not
going to let those people ontheir property, sheets will,
sheets will.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Well, yeah, interesting.
Yeah, I didn't want to cut youoff, it's your story, but we had
a team that was at a Sheets theSheets just in West Jefferson,
just west of us here, that'sbrand new too.
Yeah, they needed something andthey did not want to leave
because they said that DOT wasin the parking lot.
And they did not want to leavebecause they said the DOT was in

(53:00):
the parking lot.
I'm like, okay, this is horsepucky, but I'll take it out
there.
I take it out there and I pullin and there's two DOT officers
sitting in truck parking spacesin the back of the lot and what
they were doing was, as youpulled into fuel, when you left
the fuel line and went aroundthe lot to leave, they were
sitting there and there was anexit onto the road and you'd

(53:29):
pull onto the road and there'sanother one sitting outside that
would wave you over and sendyou back to the two that were in
the back for an inspection.
Yeah, saw it with my own eyes.
I thought they were giving me aline.
Saw it with my own eyes.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I think that's ridiculous.
I do too.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Again.
I do think that's cutting intoyour.
That sounds to me like we needsome emails to Sheetz.
If you're out there listeningto this story, you need to send
some emails out to SheetzBecause.
Sheetz is new to the truck stopworld.
They are.
They're not Like Loves andPilot and Flying J.
I've seen cops roll through butI think it's mostly again
keeping the peace.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I've never seen the scenario you're talking about
happen it happened to me twicein Ohio with the rest area
Pulled in to do a rest break oruse the restroom or something.
And I'm pulling to a parkingspot and I go to get out and I
look in my mirror as I'm openingthe door and there's an officer
behind me pulling up with hislights.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Do they let you go use the bathroom before they do
your inspection?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Nope, no.
Inspection, nope, no.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
and there is something what if you're already
doing the, the dance right sothe second time that it happened
to me, I was actually almostout of hours.
I was coming up on my 30 minutebreak.
I had literally like probablyseven minutes on my clock and I
had to do a break.
And whenever I stopped Iimmediately went into off duty

(54:36):
to start my rest break.
And then I was going out to goto the restroom.
He pulled up behind me and Itold him.
I said I just started my30-minute break.
I said you're welcome to dowhatever you need to do, but I
got to do my break first and heactually sat there my 30 minutes
, wow.
And then afterwards he did myinspection.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, he took his 30-minute break too.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
And I guess that's what he did.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
So they're not weighted the same.
So if you do pull into a restarea with one minute left on
your clock and they do force youto do an inspection so you have
to log on duty inspection, itdoes not count against you.
It's not a log violation.
Oh, that's good A cop can dothat, but still it's, and that's
assuming you have a motorcarrier that knows the rules.
I mean, motor carriers are notalways right with all this stuff

(55:19):
, but that's yeah.
So that's a huge problem I havewith Ohio is you're putting in
a lot more parking spaces butyou've got people who won't use
them.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Because of that.
So you know that's.
That's one of my criticisms.
Until until they fix that, Idon't know what to say, because
you know, I get that they don'twant to pull someone over the
side of the road because therest area is safer for the cop
to do a walk around or whatever.
But that should be hallowedground unless you are committing

(55:50):
a crime.
They should not be allowed todo that to you on a rest area.
That's my belief.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
So what if?
What if you're on theinterstate and they don't want
to?
If you're on the interstate andthey don't want to pull you
over on the side of the road,but there's a rest area coming
up and they pull you into therest area to do the inspection.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I mean that's a really good question.
I don't know For safetypurposes.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
There are rest areas in other states that are rest
area slash Way station.
That's different.
I know I get that.
I just want to clarify thatwe're not talking about that.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Some of those way stations they even say like we
have driver rest areas, you willnot be inspected.
Driver rest areas you will notbe inspected.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Well, I mean, there's somewhere you know they're
signed parking available, butyou pull through the weigh
station first and go around thepark.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Sure yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
There are others where it's a car and truck rest
area and the weigh station's atthe end.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Yeah, I've seen that too.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But I mean, we're not talking about that, we're
talking about strictly a restarea Strictly a rest area and
not a rest area way stationcombination.
Correct If they light you up onthe highway and pull you in
there for safety.
That to me is like doing aroadside inspection.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
As opposed to camping out waiting for you.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
I would feel safer that way as well.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Sure, besides being on the side of the road, I've
seen that Tennessee is probablythe other offender.
I think about that.
Does this a lot with rest areas?
So like Ohio and Tennesseestick out in my brain as the
worst ones to pull you over in arest area or to come get you in
a rest area.
But I hear you saying that's alittle gray there for me.
Okay, because I could see thepulling over and getting safe or
whatever.
But to actually like I pullinto a rest area and then you

(57:38):
light me up.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, that's a different situation, pardon me.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Ohio loves to do it.
Well, fuck you.
They do so until they get thatfixed.
You know, I hope, even ifyou're drowsy, you'll pull over.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
But I get it like.
Here's where it gets even morecomplicated.
I'm drowsy, I'm tired, I needto pull over and take a nap.
So I'm going to pull into arest area to go take a nap
because I am drowsy, and it'sobvious that I'm drowsy.
A cop lights me up.
He comes over and does aroadside inspection, decides I'm

(58:18):
not fit to drive because I'mtired.
Even though I knew I wasn't fitto drive, which is why I'm not
driving.
So you know what I'm saying.
Sure, I just think, yeah, Ithink that's hallowed ground.
You shouldn't be able to doanything there.
I completely agree with youthere.
So I'd love to know y'all'sfeedback on this.

(58:40):
If y'all seeing two otherstates that are doing this, what
are those other states?
Share it?
Let your other truck driverfriends know, like, what are the
places not to go to?
Where are you concerned with?
Uh, if I go to this rest area Imight get pulled over.
Or are there other truck stops?
You know about that?
This, this happens where youknow loves.
A pilot of flying j or jimbob's local uh truck stop is
allowing this to happen, becauseI could see that too with a
local someone.
So I'm very curious.
I'm very curious what y'all'sthoughts on this are.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I want to be sure that you're not avoiding rest
area because you think theremight be a violation on your
vehicle or yourself, that you'reonly avoiding it.
For what reason?

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Come again.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Why are you avoiding a rest area when it has a DOT
officer in it?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Because I don't want to get inspected.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Why Are you doing something nefarious?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yes, no, no, I don't think it's nefarious.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I think the viewers are hearing something.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
So we're all truck drivers here, right, like every
one of us has driven a truck.
How many of y'all with a showof hands or an eye because if
you're listening to the podcast,don't use the show of hands
With an eye or a show of handshow many of y'all enjoy?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
getting stopped by a cop and doing a roadside
inspection.
I never minded it after thefirst one that I was unprepared
for.
Okay, Like I think it's part ofthe job.
Okay, I think it's part of thejob.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Sure, it's part of the job.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Let me give you an idea here.
So you're driving a truck toBolt.
You've got to be at Bolt Trucks, which is Fort Wayne, indiana.
You've got to be there for noonthat's what time your
appointment is.
So you left Columbus at 8.30.
It takes three hours to getthere, so you gave yourself a
little bit of a buffer.
But there was a little trafficleaving town.

(01:00:19):
33 got you caught up a littlebit right there at the Dublin
Interchange.
You weren't expecting that andyou know that you really need to
get diesel before you get there.
You might be able to get therefirst and then go to the Flying
J that's next to it, but thenyou're paying the expensive
diesel and you're going to passby a love.
So you'd like to go there.
So you're going and you're likeall right, I'm going to pop in
this loves real quick, get mydiesel, and then I'm going to go

(01:00:41):
and on your way out there, whenyou get up to 33, that water
you got at loves.
Now you got to use the restroomreal quick and loves, now
you've got to use the restroomreal quick.
And you're like, oh, it's goingto be so close, there's a rest
area, so I'm going to pop inthat rest area real quick and
I'm going to use the restroom.
You see a cop there and you knowthey're doing DOT roadsides.
You know I go there If I get aroadside.

(01:01:03):
I'm missing my appointment,which potentially means I am now
in an overnight stay in FortWayne.
Now I might.
If I miss that appointment, Imight actually have to stay over
the night in Fort Wayne versusbeing able to get home tonight.
Are you stopping?
Are you thinking to yourself?
There's a pilot, a couple exitsdown.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And the other side of that coin as well.
Even if you are doingeverything that you're supposed
to do, there's always thatpossibility of that officer
finding something.
And you just don't need thatheadache, you don't need that on
your record or anything else,because even though you know
that the truck in your mind atthat moment, everything is safe

(01:01:42):
there's always that possibilitythat they find something when
they do that roadside.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
So you don't want to take that chance absolutely and
look random roadside inspectionsside of the road, light me up,
pull me over.
I've done it a thousand times.
I've done a thousand times.
I've done it 30, 40 times.
I did it once, uh, the funniestone I ever ever got done, uh
was pulling through a turnpikeon my way down to uh, texas, I
picked up a brand new truck fromfighter freightliner.

(01:02:08):
Had a double, a sleeper on itbrand new truck and I went
through it and found a couplethings that need to be fixed on
the sleeper and we were going toput a team in it and I'm like,
okay, I'm going to take thisstraight to Texas.
I've already got to go down toLouisiana because that's back
when we lived in Louisiana.
So I'm like I'll take it toTexas, get these couple things
knocked out and then I'll gohome.
And so it's only going to addif I do that, it's only going

(01:02:28):
instead of making dedicatedtrips.
So I head down there.
I get to the Oklahoma Turnpikethere outside of Tulsa On 44?
On 44.
Yeah, this is before the daysof pre-pass best pass.
So I still had to pay the toll.
So back in the day, people thatdrove for us if you've been

(01:02:49):
there for a while, you know whatI'm talking about You'd
actually pay the toll and thenyou would send us a receipt, and
then you would send us areceipt and then we would
reimburse you for it, and sothat was a long time ago,
anyways.
So I get to the toll plaza, Isee there's a cop car.
But that's normal, it's notcrazy, right?
I pay the toll and then, assoon as I pay the toll and she
gives me the receipt, the copsteps out and says, hey, I need

(01:03:16):
you to pull over there.
And I'm like, all right, we'regetting roadside.
So I pull over and he comesover here and talks to me and
he's like man, your truck'sreally nice Yachty.
And I'm like, as I said, it'sfunny, it's brand new.
He's like what I said, yeah, Ipicked it up two days ago or a
day ago, it's brand new Like,all right, well, this should be
quick then.
And so we go through.
I mean, this is the first timeI've ever seen it.

(01:03:36):
He actually had, like, themechanics.
What do you call that boardCreeper he had a creeper on him
and he actually got on thecreeper and climbed one of the
trucks and I'm like, oh, we'redoing it for real, yeah, like if
you've been through of levelone based on the officer you're
with.
Well, I went to maximumoverdrive.

(01:03:58):
He was like we're going to doit.
He was fast and everything.
It was cool.
He was a super nice guy.
He complimented me on the truck, all this stuff.
I was out of there with noproblem Clean inspection, brand
new truck, got a sticker on thewindshield.
It was cool, like I, I get it.
We've all been there.
I've been pulled over on theside of the road.

(01:04:19):
I've gone to weigh stations andbeen told bring your permits
inside.
I've been told to go over tothat shed.
Sure, uh, boy, the ones of thesheds are nice too.
Yeah, those are real nice um,and so especially in the cold
winter.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yes, so you're just saying that I areas are off
limits, correct?

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Exactly so.
If I'm pulling over because Ineed to use the restroom or I
want to rest, or I am just notfeeling wanting to deal with
someone, I shouldn't be hassledat a rest area.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
So that's my point.
I'm not trying to say if youhave something illegal in your
truck or something that's notgoing to pass, get it fixed, get
it fixed.
I'm telling you this you got atire that's like I don't know.
It's a little below tread.
It's way cheaper to pop intoLoves and have them replace a
tire than it is to have Lovesbring you a tire and put it on
your truck out on the road.
Not only that, it's faster.

(01:05:10):
It's faster, uh, it's safer.
That tire is not safe.
It's on your truck, you know, asteer tire blowout could kill
you and other people on the road.
Yeah, like that's a big deal, soyou need to be getting those
things fixed.
A light that's out.
You know, most of our trucksnow have leds, so we don't run
into as many light issues as weused to, but we still have some
we do, um, and deal with themnow yeah, we are right now

(01:05:33):
actually.
Uh, so if you have a lightthat's out, get it fixed.
You're driving down the roadand you're like huh, I did my
pre-trip this morning.
All my lights work, but now itlooks like only the right side
is lighting up, and sometimesyou go and you look and you're
like nope, it's just an opticalillusion, but if it's not get it
fixed, like absolutely do notdrive a truck unsafe.

(01:05:53):
That is crazy to me that peopledo that.
But there is certainly a hasslefactor that I may not when I'm
driving and I'm going into arest area Because a rest area is
not a truck stop, I'm not goingto a rest area because I need
fuel.
I'm going to a rest areabecause I need a rest, be it a
restroom break, be it a nap, beit a 30-minute break that I'm

(01:06:16):
required by law to take.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Or if I just even need to go down and sleep for
the night.
Now, I don't know that I'veever seen a cop at night doing
roadside inspections at a restarea, like in the middle of the
night.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Yes, switching hours.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Correct.
But because we run teams, mynight may be the middle of the
day, Sure, so I may be like Ineed a nap, because we drove
through Indiana yesterday withthe most horrible roads ever and
I didn't get a good sleep andit's like you know what I'm
going to pull over and I amgoing to take myself a nap and

(01:06:53):
get there and there's a cop.
Let's do a roadside Like.
That's where I have issue.
Sure, Now you're reallyscrewing with someone's morale
and they didn't need to use therestroom, you know, or whatever
it's just, yeah, I take issuewith that.
So that's my point on that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Thank you for clarifying that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So, yeah, I'm glad you brought it up, because in my
head I'm not thinking anythingnefarious because that's not how
we operate, but I do understandhow people could see that.
Yeah, so great point to bringup.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So, heather, you are going camping this weekend.
I remember we talked about thatlast week, are you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
prepared Half.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Half.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Half prepared.
So you've got the tent but nosleeping bag.
I have the sleeping bag, notent.
The other person I'm going withhas the tent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Do you have their sleeping bag too?

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
No, they have their own sleeping bag, so they're
fully prepared.
I'm saying I'm half preparedbecause there's some fresher
items, fresher food items.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Oh yeah, they're doing the s'more thing.
Did you just add to the s'moresthe banana?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Oh she was talking about those around the dinner
table the other night.
I'll let her talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
There's some different kinds of bananas you
can do too, besides justmarshmallows and chocolate chips
.
There's like a Samoas one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Oh, stop it.
But you gotta buy a coconut andthen you're out there and
you're like.
You realize we didn't bring asalt.
Did you bring the reciprocating?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
salt.
With you At least a mallet anda screwdriver or something.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
Or peanut butter as well, peanut butter and
chocolate chips and marshmallows.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I like peanut butter and jelly.
I like peanut butter straightout of the jaw on a spoon.
I like peanut butter on a Ritz.
Yes, and that's really where itends for me Like the peanut
butter on the ice cream oh no.
I'm sorry, I do like it in apeanut butter cup.
I ain't going to lie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I haven't had a peanut butter on a Ritz in so
long.
Well, oh, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, we will it sounds like we're going to in
about 15 minutes we have, so wehave creamy and then we have
extra crunchy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Can we get Don to get those set up in the green room
next time, right Next week?

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I'm an extra crunchy, can we just get?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Don.
Yeah, let's get Don.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
But yeah, so I'm going to make up some of the
food beforehand.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Nice.
Go and yep, just got to get yougoing to have the foil packets
pre-made that way, you justthrow them on there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
I might, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
I bet you could do that and put them into a Ziploc.
They'd probably hold just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
They probably would.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Yep.
So you know, things like ice,water, wood, that kind of stuff
probably get right before I go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
You get ice a few days ahead of time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
I could sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
And then you'll have water, and then you'll have
water.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
There it is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
See, yeah, god what was I thinking?

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Right, yeah, and then they don't like.
Allow you to harvest wood atcampsites, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
They prefer.
You do not correct.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
That's changed since I was a kid.
So when I was a kid theyencouraged you.
It was part of how they keptthe forest clean.
They didn't want you to bringyour wood because it may have
bugs or something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
There's a lot of places that don't want you to
bring wood from out of state, atleast, if not locally, because
of bugs and diseases.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Some of those private ones those private campgrounds.
I'm like you just want mebuying your $9 worth of four
sticks of wood.
Yeah, so, yeah, so we're goingto try and bring some because,
like you said, a lot of thingsare going to be more expensive
if you get it from them?

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Sure, not all the time.
I've been to some campgroundsthat are great, but there are
some that are definitely like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
And it is a state park.
They've got a marina or a store, general store, I think they
have a little store right there,are you?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
bringing the kayaks.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Just be careful if you decide to, yeah, don't tip
over, don't tip over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
That'd be so embarrassing.
Can you imagine?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
how embarrassing that would be.
Could over on it?
That'd be so embarrassing, canyou?

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
imagine how embarrassing that would be.
Can I borrow yours and put iton the top of my car?
You can, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I'll let you borrow a couple Season three if you're
interested in him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
He'll probably put a link to it right here I'm just
so mad, I didn't have thewherewithal to take a photo, or
even a video.
Well, it happened.
So quickly, it did happen soquickly, we Even a video.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Well, it happened so quickly.
It did happen so quickly.
So we joke when we get icecubes out of the freezer that
one always manages to hit thefloor.
It's like as you're fillingyour cup, one goes squirrely and
then it shatters into a zillionpieces.
So we call it, you know, givinga gift to the ice god or
whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Okay, a sacrifice, yes, a sacrifice to the ice god
or whatever, Sacrifice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
yes, so Vince.
In the world of fishing, thereis a certain amount of tackle
that you're allowed to losewhile fishing as a sacrifice to
the fishing gods.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
No one told Vince this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
No, no Vince told it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I've lost lures and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
You're wrapped up in lilies, or you grab a stump in
the water that you can't see.
There's a certain amount offishing tackle that you're
allowed to give to the fishinggods.
Well, on this specific episodethree or season three adventure
where we went camping, vincegave a lot to the fishing gods
that day that did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Rod and reel.
Rod and reel, prescriptionsunglasses, yep, oh, my Rod and
reel Prescription.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
Sunglasses, yep oh my , you should be set for life now
.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yep.
But the main tackle boxes,those were spared.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I did grab the backpack.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
You did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Yep, I did grab the backpack.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Oh my gosh, this wet backpack.
He tried to hand it to me.
He's like can you put this inyour canoe?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And I'm like no, I'm going to flip over Because this
thing now weighs 19 tons.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yeah, because all the water.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
All the water, yeah it was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
It was a good day.
It was a great day.
You were a good sport.
We still hung out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
We still went.
The funny thing in my mind,that whole thing after I went
over and I'm treading water andthere was a guy who had just
just put in right next to us andhe goes you're wearing a vest,
you can float.
Oh, you're right, I can float,yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
It was a fun time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I still went and paddled around with you.
I couldn't fish anymore becauseI didn't have any gear, but I
paddled around and hung out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
And it was a good, decent wind, so you dried off
pretty quick.
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
It was a fun day, except for losing $100 in
fishing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Again, you have to give a certain amount to the
fishing gods and you also haveto wear a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
It's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I'm a strong swimmer.
So holding on to the boat, I'dhave been okay.
But when he said, reminded methat I'm wearing a vest, it's
like, oh okay, now I can do whatI need to do without having to
try and hold on with one arm andthe boat floats it does take a
second to remember, though, thatyou are wearing a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
So you know, we used to sail.
My aunt and uncle made a 45foot boat and you don't wear a
life vest.
Out there, a boat that big,you're not wearing a life vest.
You know where they're at.
In case you need to, becauseboats like that aren't typically
flipping over quickly, there'susually like oh, something bad's
happening.
Everybody put your life vest on.

(01:14:01):
You know you have time.
A kayak goes over like licketysplit Just just, and he's gone.
So Eric and I were doing akayaking out in I don't remember
where.
We were, some island, and so wewere kayaking in some, uh, off
some island or something, andthe current was pretty bad.
We were on tour.
So we're like following,there's like 15, 20 of us and,

(01:14:24):
uh, there's just one little spotwhere the water, like it's it's
going up and down, probablylike six or seven feet up and
down, like it's that strong of acurrent, and so we're like okay
, we can do this, we this, wecan get through it.
Everybody else did.
And nope, we timed it wrong andwe went through it and the tide
started rising on one side andgoing down on the other and we

(01:14:45):
just flipped right over and gotin the water and it did like.
So you pop out of the waterpretty fast with life jacket on,
but it does take a second tolike.
You're like paddling, and thenyou're like, oh, this is not
necessary.
So then it's like I rememberyelling, are you okay?
And Eric was like yeah, I'mfine.

(01:15:05):
And then it's like okay, well,let's get over here.
We flipped our kayak over andwe were like all right, we got
to think about how we're goingto get back on this thing, and
about the time that I'm like weneed to figure out how we're
going to get back on this thing.
I hear the gas engine of theKodiak, like the boat that's
following us, like going to fullspeed, and I'm like, oh, they

(01:15:26):
see us and sure enough, theycome over there, they grab us,
they pull us out of the waterand then they put us right back
on the kayak and they're likeall, right, off you go.
And then we had to do the samething all over again.
But, this time we weresuccessful and it was really
cool because I did lose ourlittle bag that had the GoPro in
it, had a few other things inthere, maybe my phone even, and

(01:15:49):
it actually the current wasstrong enough.
It blew it against a rock andit was stuck on the rock and so
our guide was able to go overthere and grab it so we didn't
lose everything.
We lost a hat and some otherstuff, but not the important
things, the part of the storythat you're neglecting to tell
everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
That I think is just amazing is that when the Kodiak
came over, the way they got youout of the water and back on
your kayak was with the littlecrane they had that they hooked
to a loop on your, on your, onyour, your life vest and raised
you out of the water and heldthe kayak and just put you down,
back down the kayak, and youwere good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
That would have been nice.
No, it was an equa.
It was an ecuadorian man who,like, reached in and was like he
, even in in.
In yanked us back on over like,like I'm not a small person,
but uh, clearly this was nottheir first rodeo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Not their first rodeo , and then they grabbed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
So one person in the front of the boat grabs the
front of the kayak, the otherperson grabs the back of the
kayak and they're like get on,it happened fast.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Like they're like we're going to keep the tour
going, get back on that boatquickly Like it was like go go,
so we were able to get those.
That was quite the experience.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
We did that on a cruise.
When you get back on the cruise, everyone's like you're the
guys that fell into the water.
At least you didn't have that.
We've only told everybodylistening to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, exactly, I'm waiting for somebody to come
through the yard and go.
You're the guy who fell in thewater.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
It will happen every single time now, please, please,
please, please, every singletime.
Next time you see Vince, I'mgoing to try and record it when
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
You're going to have so much fun camping.
I know I keep telling you that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
but you are, they just start bringing you rods and
reels.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah, okay, the little short ones like the
Fisher-Price.
They have Snoopy, they've allgot a use.
The Woodstock, they've all gota use.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah, I'm jealous of you.
I'd love to go camping.
I haven't been in quite sometime.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Well, just because it's Labor Day weekend doesn't
mean it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
There's no.
No, you go the next weekend.
Labor Day weekend there's norope.
I'm like Labor Day weekend,you're not going to find any
camp, but the next weekend youmight be able to.
But I will be able to you know,we've got Bellum.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Creek right here.
I don't know why we don't gomore often.
Yeah, we should More often everyou mean ever, not at the end
of the season.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Just because it's Labor Day, it's not the end of
the season, Well we're whiteanyway.
So I mean that's a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
For me it's sit on the Chris Craft boat in my all
white, you know, with my hat on.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
I really want to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Well, I wore all white.
Just recently, in December, Iwore all white.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
That's almost a year ago.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Okay, just recently.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
It's eight months ago .

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Well, that was when we were in the tundra and you
were trying to blend in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yes, that was when we were in the tundra and you were
trying to blend in.
Yes, it was.
It was my camouflage, it wasyour camouflage.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Well, real quick, before we go.
A couple weeks ago,unfortunately, in the expediting
community, eric and I lost agood friend of ours and a really
great fleet owner.
Sylvia owned Enroute Expeditingor Trekking, with her husband,
mike.
It happened really fast.

(01:18:59):
We were actually going to behanging out with Sylvia and a
few days later found out thatshe had passed away.
Really kind of a kick in theneck, 57 years old, gone way too
soon.
We just want to take a moment toacknowledge that.
I really want to wish Mike, youknow, as much comfort and you
know whatever you can say whenthis happens.

(01:19:20):
I've never lost a spouse, but Ihave lost a parent and I do
know what that felt like and howmuch pain that was.
Her funeral was this past weekand unfortunately I was not able
to make it, but my memories ofher are still very strong.
Yeah, really miss her, reallymiss.
She was a whippersnapper, afirecracker man.
We'd go to these FedEx fleetenter meetings and she would

(01:19:42):
light them up.
I mean light them up.
She had no shame when it cameto calling FedEx out when they
were not doing something right.
Being a friend of ours, friendof the show, I just wanted to
acknowledge her.
I know she's up there nowwatching us live this rat race
that we're in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Sympathies to the families.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, mike.
We're praying for you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Alright then.
Well, in the meantime,everybody stay safe, make good
decisions.
Don't leave money on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
And keep those wheels a-turning.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Keep wearing them.
Flip-flops Bye.
Bye Keep wearing them flipflops Bye, bye, we'll see you
next time.

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