From Surprise Snow To MD-11 Crash: How Weather, Aviation, And Trucking Intersect

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
I made a mistake and went to the post office this
afternoon and they had theirshutdown day today.
Well that's not I don't thinkthat's shut down.
I think that's a holiday.

SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Hey everybody, welcome to the outer belt.
I'm Patrick, and you all know mycrew.
Chili.

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Buttermilk.

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Derek.

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Zucchini bread.

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And Jerry.
What happened to Zucchini breadthere?
I don't know.
Zucchini Bread found a cucumber.
She was like, zucchini bread?
Try it again.

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Zucchini bread.

SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
That's right.
Welcome back to the show,everybody.
We're so glad to be here.
It's been a wild time since wesaw y'all last.
We have some exciting stuff totalk about tonight.
Uh and I can't wait uh to uh todiscuss some things with you, my
my group.
We have some challenging topicsahead, we have some fun topics
ahead, but first and foremost,as we always do every week since

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we started the show, thatweather.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
That weather.
I believe it was Friday, 60degrees, 62 degrees outside.
That was nice out.
Very nice, very nice.
Windy.
Windy.
It was it was breezy, but nice.
Uh not a cloud in the sky,sunshine beating down on you.
It was really again, except forthe high winds, gusts that would
come by now and then really,really lovely.

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It was a lovely day.
Lovely day.
As Bill Withers would say.
It would.
A lovely day.
Uh and then um well, then camethe morning.
No.
No, it's Saturday.
Saturday was lovely too.
Yeah, Saturday was really nicetoo.
I'm sorry, I forgot.
Yeah, Saturday was really nice.
Sunday was nice.
Yeah, Saturday was really cool.
Uh then came Sunday morning.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51):
Sunday morning wasn't bad.
Melissa, and I got out Sundayfor a little bit.
It wasn't horrible.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
No, that was Saturday.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56):
That was Saturday.
That was Saturday.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59):
Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
That was the second Saturday.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06):
It was.
We we hung out on the couch allday Sunday.

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Yes.

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Doing a whole lot of nada.

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Sunday morning was nasty and kind of crazy.
Uh we ended up, Eric and I hadto go to the yard.
Um uh in uh we were doing somearranging at the uh house, and
there is um a storage cube wehave like for our personal stuff
at at at the yard that we use.
And so we went over there tounload some stuff.
We met up with our carpenterwho's doing a really cool thing

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on one of our trucks, and uh itwas nasty.
It was just like, how fast canwe get this over with?
It was it was it was bad.
And then so we get back to thehouse, and I did what everybody
does when the weather'sgod-awful outside, and uh
there's nothing to be done.

SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
You put your jammies on?

SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
I uh put my uh sweats, okay, sweats on, I I lit
a fire and a candle, and uh satdown and watched Jurassic Park.
The original.
Nice.
I gotta say everybody does that,don't they?
They do.
I gotta say, Jeff Goldblum.

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Yeah, genius.
Genius, absolutely genius.
I enjoyed that movie so much,and uh we watched something else
afterward.
What did we watch afterwards?
I oh I think it was um not landman.
What's the one I want?
Tulsa King.
So we'll see.
We were caught up and we werecatching up with Tulsa King and

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uh what a fantastic show.

SPEAKER_04 (03:40):
Yeah, gotta get you onto Land Man.

SPEAKER_01 (03:43):
If you're not watching Tulsa King, if you
haven't seen it yet, Stallone.
So that's Sylvester, right?
Yeah, Sylvester.
Yeah.
It's so good.
I was actually I was reading athing.
I don't know if y'all know, likeSylvester Stallone, he wrote
Rocky in a bunch of his movies.
He's he's you know, he talksfunny, so I think he kind of
gets that impression of like,oh, he's kind of a moron.

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Yeah.
But he's not.
He's actually a genius writer,producer, uh actor.
He kind of plays himself inevery movie.
But um, you know, but he'sactually a genius writer.
I was reading a thing where theywere talking about uh Tulsa
King, and the guy that wrote theuh not not not Sheridan who
produced it, but the guy thatactually wrote it, he said when

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they landed uh SylvesterStallone, he was excited because
he knew his life was gonna bethat much easier because
Stallone is such a good writer.
Yeah.
And he's like famous inHollywood for being such a good
writer.
So um yeah, it it's kind of coolto to watch this progression,
but the show is so good.

SPEAKER_04 (04:42):
It is good.
I I know I think I mentioned onanother Outer Belt, maybe last
season, that there was um kindof a documentary or docuseries
uh of Stallone on Netflix.
And is there?
It's it's great, it's phenomenalif you haven't seen it because
it talks about how he almostgave up on Rocky because he was

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writing and it's really good,you know, and it's from his
perspective.
It follows him along and youknow, some hard, hard interview
topics like family, and youknow, but uh really interesting
to see what kind of a person heis.
I mean, who knew he wrote a lotof stuff if you didn't know
that, you know?
So yeah, it's on it's it was onNetflix about a year ago, came

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out.

SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
Okay, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (05:26):
I I well worth watching that too.

SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
That uh that episode that we recorded, obviously I uh
spaced out for that, and Iapologize, but I definitely want
to watch that.
Yeah, that's you know, he's oneof those people that intrigues
me because he's kind of arenaissance man.
And and some people you ex likeyou watch him and you see him,
you're like, yeah, that's arenaissance man.
He's good at everything, right?
Um and some people, like Rocky,you're like, he's not a

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Renaissance man.
Yeah, that's a one-trick pony,but no, you you dig behind the
curtain, it's like, oh no, hereally is.
Um Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ithink, at this point now, he's
proven himself to be aRenaissance man, right?
He's an Austrian-born umbodybuilder who comes to
America, uh, wants to be anactor, but he's in all these
bodybuilding contests, ends uptaking his money, he's he and

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his buddies start a constructionbusiness.
They end up uh with a hugeconstruction business.
He's a multimillionaire beforehe ever started his first movie.
Really?
I didn't know that.
Fascinating stuff.
He's like, he's just abusiness-minded, work-focused
person.
Sure.
Then uh gets into Hollywood,gets the right actor, coach, I'm

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sorry, acting coach, and then uhgets into a movie, and then that
snowballs into you know Arnold,the the superstar we know him
as, right?
And then he goes on to have thiscrazy career in politics, a
Republican governor ofCalifornia, which doesn't exist
and hadn't existed in forever.

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And I mean, I guess Reagan maybefor him.
Yeah.
Uh and there's more, Iapologize, I'm not totally hip
with uh California politics, uh,especially the history of it,
just the more recent stuff.
But um, like again, another andthen he gets when he's done with
that, it goes right back in themovies.
Yeah, you know, a guy that'sjust like a Renaissance man
genius, he is uh like pro cigarsand bourbon and also

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pro-electric car.
You know, he's just one of thosepeople who like there's it he
doesn't fit anywhere like with asingle camp.
He's all over the place.
And um, I think that's the kindof thing that like when you see
those those people highlightedand you realize like, wow,
there's way more out there thanthe single track or single
course that we're kind of thenews makes us think there is.

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Um it's very cool.
I I love I love seeing thosestories.
So I do want to watch uh the uhRocky one.

SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
So talk about a Renaissance man.
I think Billy Bob Thornton andLamb Man is I haven't seen Lamb
Man.
We need to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
But Billy Billy Bob Thornton's one of those actors,
too, that like he gets mebecause he can do something like
Armageddon, which was my firstintroduction into Billy Bob
Thornton.

SPEAKER_06 (08:13):
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
And so I don't need that judgment.
Not not Sling Blade.
I'm not as old as y'all are.

SPEAKER_05 (08:20):
Um Angelina Jolie's husband.

SPEAKER_01 (08:25):
They're married?

SPEAKER_05 (08:26):
They were.

SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
They were?
They didn't.

SPEAKER_07 (08:28):
Yeah, but this was that was after Armageddon.

SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
After Sling Blade.
Okay, but imagine my first movieever with him was Armageddon
Jerry.
And then I went from that towatching Bad Santa expecting a
similar character.

SPEAKER_06 (08:43):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
And it's uh it couldn't be different.
Yeah.
I mean, just like what a rangeof uh acting ability.
Uh uh, it's very RobinWilliamsy, it's very um uh oh
man.
I love Dumb and Dumber.
Jeff Daniels.

SPEAKER_04 (09:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
Can just he can just flip between extreme, ridiculous
comedy and dead serious dramaticactor.
Uh so it's it's it's cool to seethat like Billy Bob can do it
too, but I haven't seen Lane Manyet.
Which side is he on?
Is he more Armageddon or more uhBad Santa?
Or is he not Bad Santa?

SPEAKER_04 (09:25):
No, I mean the whole premises of it takes place in
Odessa, Texas, which if you're adriver, most of us know what
Odessa looks like.
A lot of nada.

SPEAKER_07 (09:37):
I'm more Team Midland.

SPEAKER_04 (09:38):
I mean it's it's all about the oil.

SPEAKER_07 (09:40):
Well, they travel between Odessa and Midland.
Okay, and also you know, DallasSport Wars.

SPEAKER_05 (09:47):
Yeah.
Go up.

SPEAKER_07 (09:48):
I mean, you know, in a good snowstorm, you can't tell
if you're Odessa or Midland.
So Right.
True.
True.
But you can tell that you're inTexas because none of the roads
salted.
Yeah.
And I meant sandstorm, notsnowstorm, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (10:02):
The 16th.
That's when the next one comesout.

SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
Uh next Light Man.

SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
Yep.
The second series starts.

SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Okay.
Well, we gotta catch up on it.
Uh I think I don't I'm trying toremember.
Uh I don't think they're done.
No, there's two more episodescoming out of Pulse King, right?
I think there's two moreepisodes going out.
And it's already been re uhre-up for a fourth season.
Has it?
Yeah.
Well that's you know, I think Ihate when they tell you that

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because you already know, youknow, you already know some
things.
There's sure.
Like not only a cliffhanger, butcertain key people are gonna go
on to be in the next season.
Like the way the tension isbuilding right now, you don't
know who's gonna make it, who'snot.
Although, in all fairness,Sheridan's not afraid to kill

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off a major part player in his.

SPEAKER_06 (10:55):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
He really isn't.
Oh and uh we still gotta catchup with 1883 or 1923 or I don't
know.

SPEAKER_04 (11:03):
Moved on from the Yellowstone trilogies,
quadruplees, whatever you callthem.
I'm uh is Landman, Pulsa King,Mayor of Kingstown, and I'm
can't wait for Lioness to bepicked back up.

SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
I I haven't seen Lioness or uh Mayor Kingstown,
so we're clearly missing out.
Uh Taylor Sheridan's a coolperson.
I'm sure a lot of y'all probablyhave watched the Yellowstone s
somewhere out there in theether.
And and it's it's oh, it'sreally good.
I recommend it.
At least the first episode.
The first episode ofYellowstone, I genuinely believe

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changed television.
Sure.
It was so powerful.
I think it actually had aprofound effect.
If you look at m televisionafter that, it actually changed
it.
It showed what you could do intelevision, and I think it's
elevated the entire craft.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (11:54):
I agree.
Well, and I felt that with allof his other series that he has
now, you know, I I feel likethere's this level of bringing
something bigger and grander andand um you know, I saw it with I
think Mayor Kingstown was maybethe next one, and then it was
Tulsa King.
And then somewhere Lioness andLandman kind of came out on on

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the scene at the same time, andhe just whatever he's doing,
he's he's doing something right.
Again, my my favorite out of allof them, I I have to say, hands
down, the writing is is justpretty profound, is is Lioness.
Um but that's that's me talking.
I love them all.

SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
He's a good he's a good study too.
We're talking about Renaissancemen.
I mean, he was a writer, hetried to write on a few
different shows, they all shothim down.
He uh I forget he got a bigbreak from one show he wrote
for.
I don't remember who which oneit was.
Well, he was an actor also.
He was an actor as well, yeah.
Uh not super famous, but no,yep.

(12:54):
No.
And uh when he it is so funnytoo because I had it in my head,
I had an idea of who he's gonnabe.
And when I actually saw theepisode of Yellowstone where he
shows up and that's him, I'mlike, oh, you are not who I
thought you would be.
Like, it did not fit that uhpicture I had in my head at all.
But um now he's got he owns aranch, I think second, third

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largest ranch in Texas,something like that, behind King
Ranch.
He owns a distilling company, uhthey have the four sixes
bourbon, like he's just he'staken, he he he he plowed ahead,
uh burned some bridges, butstill plowed ahead and uh made a
name for himself, proved hecould do in television what he

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said he could do, and then uhhas taken that and and expanded
it.
It's it's kind of cool to seethe pattern.
He certainly has made someenemies along the way, but uh
it's you know.
Yeah.
I think that's Hollywood though.
Yeah, I think it is.
I don't think there's many likereally big Hollywood producers
that are really good people.

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So good point.
Anywho, uh so yeah, we we didthat, sat down and watched TV,
uh, and then at some point I gotup to uh refill my glass, and I
looked outside and I saw snowfalling.
And I'm like, I remember seeinga thing that there might
possibly we might get a littlebit of snow, a dusting.

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Dusting.
Nothing measurable.
Nothing measurable.
If you didn't catch it thatnight, Sunday night, you weren't
gonna see it.
No, you wouldn't see it.
So uh imagine my surprise Mondaymorning waking up to two inches
outside of the back of my houseand just being like, holy cow,
you couldn't see the grass.
It was solid white.
Every tree looked like aHollywood set that had just been

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flocked.
Yes, with perfect.
It was gorgeous, absolutelybeautiful.
Uh I it just I I can't believehow wrong they were on the
weather about like we'll barelyget anything, and then we ended
up getting quite a bit.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:59):
What was today's high?
32?

SPEAKER_07 (15:00):
It was somewhere around there, yeah.
Yeah, today today was a rough.
Normally you'd expect like thesnow that fell yesterday.
Yes.
Throughout the day in today, thethe the just the sun shines.
The sun was shining gloriouslytoday.
Yeah, it was beautiful.
You would have thought it wouldhave melted all that stuff away.
Now it's still there's stilllawns are still covered with
snow.
Yeah.
I like what Eric tomorrow,though.

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Oh, tomorrow.
High of 55.
It's gonna feel like a heatwave.
It is.
Watch out for flash floods.

SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Oh man, it's gonna be I already know it now.
So, like everywhere in Columbus,that's pedestrian friendly.
So if that's your Hilliard, yourGrandview, your uh your Upper
Arlington, your these are uhDublin, uh downtown uh Columbus,
these are all like superwalkable friendly areas.
They're gonna be packed tomorrownight with people.

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That's what happens.
We get a cold front, iteverybody freaks out, stays at
home, and as soon as we have apretty day, and pretty day can
be 45 degrees or 40 degrees,depending on how long the cold
has been.
They're out like cockroaches.
I mean, like it'll be tons ofpeople.
I like what Eric did.

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Uh we had a tree out in thefront yard, a really nice tree
in the front yard a couple ofyears ago.
We had the first, actually, itwas not the first, it was the
last uh snowstorm of the season.
Uh it kind of came a little bitlate.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
And everything had started blooming for spring.
The colors were out, greeneverywhere.

SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
Yep.
And then the uh we had asnowstorm, and then it went
really cold, so everythingturned from snow to ice.

SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
It wasn't it was so far out of winter it couldn't
keep the snow cold enough.

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yes.
So it turned to uh so it meltedand then turned to ice.
It was crazy.
And when that did, all thatadditional weight on the tree
actually split it in half.
It was heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_04 (16:56):
Hey, do you remember that tree?

SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Yeah, it was beautiful out there too.
Oh, anyways, uh and so Eric waslike, that's not happening this
time.
So what did you do, Eric?

SPEAKER_02 (17:05):
I grabbed one of the longest sticks I could find in
the garage and went and pokedall the branches to all the
trees I like to knock out allthe snow.
Yes, we've like just in casewe've just been turned to water
and refreeze.

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
We have a small weeping willow, and Eric's out
there.
It was a flagpole, so wereplaced our flagpole out front.
Uh, you know, the the one thatgoes mounts on your house.
Yep.
And uh it's been in the garage.
We've like been meaning to throwit away.
Just it's all black and ugly.
And he grabbed it and he's outthere like whacking the trees to
get the snow off.
Yes.
I'm like, that's great.

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Because um, yeah, that wouldstink if that happened to
another one of our trees.
Yeah.
I've actually seen a coupleplaces in uh around where we
live uh that there are treesthat are down.
Like this snow did pull a coupletrees down.

SPEAKER_04 (17:54):
It was a wet snow very well.

SPEAKER_07 (17:55):
I wonder if that's why.

SPEAKER_04 (17:56):
Uh some of you, some of you closed.

SPEAKER_07 (17:59):
It was closed from the last turnoff down.
It's had a road sign out saidroad closed.
Yes.
I wonder if that's why it wasclosed.

SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
I don't think that's it.
So uh water leaking.
It's the water leak.
Oh, yeah.
They've had a water, they've hadthe water that's been leaking
there for a while.
And it's two, three weeks havenoticed it.
Yeah, and I think they finallygot the company out there to um
fix the issue or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (18:21):
But I told you guys it would be a problem.

SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
You did.
Yeah.
You did.
I didn't we didn't talk aboutit.
Eric and I talked about it, butI was like, this is weird.
Like it's a perfectly dry road,and you'll just be driving, and
it's a little hilly, not much,but a little hilly, and then all
of a sudden you're justsaturated with water, and it's
like, what's going on here?
This is not right.
Something's gonna wry.

SPEAKER_06 (18:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
It's not but it's not the first time it's
happened.
Like, as long as so we've beenat that place for six years,
it's just maybe the second orthird time that exact area has
gotten wet and had this as somekind of an issue.
So they've I don't yeah, I don'tknow if it's got old pipes and
they just keep fixing them andthey break and they fix and
break, and maybe then you justcut it out and redo it or what.

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But um I don't even know if it'sin the under the if it's under
the road or if it's off the sideor what.
Because I don't see a stream ofwater, it's just the road bed
sweat.
Yeah, yeah.
It's very strange.

SPEAKER_04 (19:19):
Well, it's closed.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Well, yeah.
Hopefully they fix it.
Especially with the freeze.
I know.
Turn to ice skating rink.
Oh, that'd be fun down there.

SPEAKER_05 (19:30):
Yeah, that's what I said.
I'm like, I didn't know if itwas something that happened
every year, like with rain orwhatever.
And I'm like, it scares mebecause then your tires get wet
and you're pushing that water,and then you're going right to
the hill.

SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
And it's a very, it's a very steep downhill from
there.
It is.
Um stop sign.
Yes, they actually rebuilt likethe last downhill to the it's
it's a red light, isn't it?
It's a red light.
It's a red light.
From there, from like the top ofthe hill to the red light, they
repaved all that, not the wholeroad, just that section, and
they made it with concretebecause of how um how much

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damage that that uphill getsbecause it's so steep.
Um kind of crazy.
Well, since we've been gone,there has been some uh really,
really um there was a bad eventthat happened in Louisville.

SPEAKER_04 (20:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
By the time y'all are hearing this now, it's you
we're a few weeks into it.
Um, but we had occasionally uhwe are sometimes we are putting
these things out the week thatthey are actually recording the
same week that we're actuallyputting them out.
Sometimes we're banked, and andthis is spoiler alert, we're at
bank season right now.
So uh, like the last episode youheard last season is a couple

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weeks old, and this one's gonnabe a few weeks old too.
So um there has been uh justbreaking to us in Louisville,
Kentucky, at the uh Mohammed Aliuh International Airport, which
is UPS's uh primary terminal, aplane crash.

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And uh it was a UPS jet.
It was an MD-11.
Um MD-11 McDonnell Douglas isthe uh jet that came after the
DC-10.
Everyone on the plane has died,and um there were some
fatalities on the ground.
Um it's a truly horrific uhaccident.

(21:23):
We don't even have the fulldetails of what all's happened,
uh, but there have been someindications.
I've seen some reports, Ithought we'd talk about it.
UPS and FedEx and WesternGlobal, who are all three
American uh airlines that flythis company, uh fly this jet,
uh, do some things, and then theNTSB, um which is the National
Transportation Uh Safety Board,has come out and and said, hey,

(21:47):
until we know more, do somethings.
So um the jet that was uhdamaged was a 34-year-old MD-11.
Um MD-11's one of those uh jetsthat's kind of unique.
So it is a three-engine jet.
So it's got two engines on thewings, and then it's got one
engine in the tail.

(22:09):
Um, and it's a big jet, right?
So uh my sister flew when shewent to Germany uh originally,
she flew Northwest Airlines andshe flew on a uh either an MD-11
or a DC-10, I'm not sure which.
Again, MD-11 is just the modernversion of the DC-10.

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Uh, she flew that over toEurope.
And uh so it's wide-bodied, it'suh you know, three seats, four
seats, three seats.
So it's it's a big jet.
Big plane.
Yeah, big, big airplane.
And um they have fallen out offavor for uh commercial airlines
because everybody these days isusing two-engine airplanes and a
third engine consumes more fuel.

(22:51):
Uh jet engines have actuallygotten so reliable you don't
need that third engine anymore.
So they've come out and saidit's not necessary.
It's also why the 747'sdisappearing, it's why the uh
the big huge double decker A380Airbus that came out a few years
ago, why it's starting to nolonger be uh flown by a lot of
companies.
Um the two the two engineairplanes have just gotten too

(23:14):
good.
So um a lot of these airplanesended up going to cargo
operators.
So for a passenger airplane thatbuys brand new airplanes, they
use them as much as they can uhuntil their operational costs,
so the amount of fuel they'reputting in them, how many staff
it takes to run the airplane,everything, when that gets too
high, they'll sell the airplaneand they'll buy a more fuel

(23:35):
efficient, cheaper-to-runairplane, right?
Uh, because they're flying themall the time.
So like when you're flying anairplane all the time, and when
I say all the time, I mean likethese things make two flights a
day, but those flights are areeight or ten hours each.
So they're flying 16 to 20 hoursa day, that's a lot of jet fuel,
right?
Uh on the commercial side, Imean on the uh freight side,

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they're mostly flying at night.
So like all day long, if you'veever noticed you're driven past
uh like Indianapolis' airport orum Memphis, uh the FedEx hub, or
if you which you can't reallysee from Memphis during the day,
but you can at night.
You see all the airplanes comingin and leaving Memphis at night.
If you've ever driven up 55 oruh 40, sometimes you'll see them

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like tons just planes like yousee the lights just lit up the
sky in a row.
Um they do most of their flyingat night.
So the planes are sitting on theground during the day.
So if you're only flying anairplane a few hours at night
and not all day, jet feels notthat big of a deal to you
anymore because it's a smallerportion of what you're doing.

(24:43):
What matters is how much thatplane loan note is, right?
So how much you're spending onthat on that airplane.
So an older jet to a cargoairline is an ideal.
You can buy them cheap, andyeah, they're a little more
expensive to fly, but you're notflying as much, so who cares?
So that's why these oldairplanes have become huge in
the freighter market.
747s are the same way.

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Atlas uh flies a ton of 747s,GPS actually uh flies a ton of
747s as well.
They have these old airplanes,they're perfectly safe, usually,
to fly.
They have really robustmaintenance programs to make
sure these airplanes stayrunning as long as they can.
As a matter of fact, in thisparticular case, it had a uh
General Electric uh engine, Ibelieve it was CFM 50 uh uh yeah

(25:30):
56, which is a extremely robustengine.
It's got unbelievable robotreliability.
Uh we're not sure what causedit, but as this airplane was
taking off from LouisvilleAirport, uh around the time that
they rotated, which is when theypulled the nose of the airplane
up to be able to take off, theleft engine exploded, and uh we

(25:55):
now know that it actuallycompletely detached from the
airplane, landed uh in the grassnext to the runway, and um the
airplane uh could not lift morethan a f like maybe 30-40 feet
off the ground.
Um and then it kept flying andit crashed into a building uh

(26:16):
and caused uh quite a bit ofdevastation.
This plane was bound for Hawaii,and so it was full of full of
jet fuel, and that's what umprimarily caused the gigantic
blast.
Again, at this point, you've allseen the videos, you you know
what I'm talking about.
So um it's it's really horrific.
They don't know what caused theissue.

(26:38):
I uh I did see so when they leftthe runway, they were doing 184
knots.
Um you only need to be about ahundred and between 120 and 140
for that airplane to take off.
So a lot of people are wonderingwhat happened, how did that
plane not get into the air,right?
Um these in these airplanes dothese tri-jets, they're designed

(26:59):
to fly on two engines, even toin takeoff.
So if you've got one engine thatcompletely fell off the
airplane, still got two othersthat should have been able to
take you into the air, whathappened?
And uh we are now finding outthat it looks like and again
this could change by the timethis comes out, this may not age
well, but it looks like when theuh left airplane engine blew up

(27:23):
and and failed, it caused uhdebris to fly and actually under
the airplane and hit the otherengine.
And the airplane engine on theright side, they have video now
showing where the compressorstalled, and the what that means
is that um it was basicallyunable to run, right?

(27:46):
So it's it's it's putting outthrust, it's it's working just
fine.
Something penetrates it, causesthat uh combustion part to stop
combusting and uh it stopsmaking lift and or power.
Not necessarily completely uhstop uh doing power, but it

(28:08):
primarily like you there's amajor reduction of thrust.
And so the only operable engineon that airplane at that point
would be the tail engine.
And so uh that is why they wereunable to lift off the ground
more than what they did, whichmeans they weren't able to turn
around or anything.
Um all indications pretty muchshow that the pilots didn't even
necessarily know that they werein as bad of a situation as they

(28:29):
were at the point of when theylifted off the ground.
Um they knew that something hadhappened, but they probably
didn't realize the engine felloff.
It's not like they have mirrors,they can't see that the engine
just fell off the airplane.

SPEAKER_04 (28:40):
Um looked like it happened pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
It did happen very, very fast.
Everything was I mean, it was uhI've seen a lot of slown down
footage of this, but if youwatch it all together, it's a
few seconds and it's and it'sover with.
Um so it's it's been it's beenreally rough watching this uh
all play out, and there's somany questions now of why did

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this engine fail?
There's did the engine itselfblow up and fail?
Or in 1972, I want to say, '73,somewhere around there, DC-10,
again, I just told y'all theMD-11 is the modern version of
the DC-10.
The DC-10 had a very, very, veryuh famous accident uh with

(29:27):
United Airlines, where they uhtook off and they made a turn,
and when they made the turn, thepiling pylon, which is the piece
of metal that comes from thewing to the engine, it actually
snapped and broke off.
And when it did, the enginefell, the airplane lost lift, it

(29:47):
took out all the hydraulicsystems of the airplane, like
all of the hydraulics werecompletely gone, so they could
not control the airplaneanymore.
Without hydraulics, you can'tcontrol flaps, you can't control
ailerons, you can't controlelevator, nothing.
They pilots had no control.
Be like if you're um drivingyour car and your steering wheel
uh were to just snap off.
It just they completely lostcontrol of the airplane and it

(30:09):
crashed.
Um and it was devastating.
And so a lot of people arecomparing this situation to that
situation, and they're going, isthere a uh a problem with the
pylons that are causing this tohappen again?
What Boeing, who now who boughtMcDonnell Douglas, so now Boeing
is recommending is everybodythat has these MD-11s, until we

(30:31):
know more, park them.
Don't fly them.
Let's figure out what's goingon.
Let's do some safety inspectionson the airplanes that you
currently have in your fleet,and then we will um, you know,
then once we figure out whatreally happened, then we can
decide whether or not to domodifications to make the plane
safer, or you know, hey, thatwas a freak accident, and you

(30:56):
know, uh your planes are stillsafe to fly.
So uh all three carriers didthat.
So UPS, FedEx, and WesternGlobal all parked their jets,
and then a couple days later,the NTSB National Transportation
Safety Board, they came out andgrounded all the planes.
So now even if they wanted tofly their airplanes, they can't.

(31:18):
They're MD 11s.
The MD 11s, correct planes.
Exactly.
Yeah, I'm sorry, the MD-11s.
So uh now we're gonna find out,wait for this uh these planes to
be looked at and try to figureout what happened.
So the question at this point,since we know the engine blew up
and we know that the um enginefell off the airplane, was it

(31:41):
the pylon failed causing theengine to blow up, or was it the
engine that failed causing thepylon to fail?
Like what caused what?
That's kind of the situationwe're in.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So until we know that, uhthere's not a lot that can
happen.
Uh UPS and FedEx have both comeout and said that's it.

(32:04):
This is fine.
We uh have contingencies inplace for if something like this
were to happen, uh, we haveother airplanes we can fly.
So both UPS and FedEx fly a verydiverse fleet.
So uh they have 777s, they have767s, they have 757s, they have
a lot.
Actually, the MD-11s areactually airplanes that are

(32:27):
starting to phase out of theirfleets because each one right
now has like one is 27, one is24, I think, or 28.
Um, there's not a ton ofairplanes uh in their fleet.
It it's already a a minorinconvenience.
Right.
Um, but they are uh puttingthese contingency plans in
motion so they can still coverthe freight, still get

(32:49):
everything out.
Your UP uh and uh your UPS FedExovernight stuff can still make
it there without the use ofthese particular airplanes.
So yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_07 (32:59):
Uh you know, in general.
I I I actually found an articlejust on that same topic from
2023, February of 2023, sayingthat UPS has begun a planned
retirement of its aging MD-11freight freight freighters uh as
part of the plan to renew thefleet with more fuel efficient
aircraft.
This was back again in 2023.

(33:22):
Uh they were looking to retiresix of its 42 MD-11s back in
2023.
So I don't know where it's gonefrom there, but they already
started that process, so theyweren't relying on them heavily
anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
Um so FedEx had even so I I haven't followed uh UPS
as much as I followed FedEx.
FedEx actually did come out andsay we're officially retiring
this airplane, uh, we're gonnaphase them out and by 2028,
which is only three years fromnow.
Sure.
Really two years from now, uhthis plane will be gone out of
our fleet.
Then they uh changed theirmodel.

(33:59):
I think we talked about it minia few months ago.
They actually brought the CEO uhfrom Atlas Air over to FedEx
Express.
And Atlas is a um they're aunique cargo operator.
They they do all kinds of weirdstuff.
Like they have a a huge fleet of747s, they fly troops in and out
of uh uh Europe and and whereverthey need to with these 747s

(34:21):
that are uh set up forpassengers, and they have a
bunch of 747s that are set upfor um cargo, and so they do a
lot of like ad hoc cargomissions.
So they'll they'll pick upfreight and bring it somewhere
it needs to go, and then they'llgo find another job.
Kind of like it's very much likeexpediting.
They are going and finding thesejobs, and then they're they're
hauling them and whatever,they're just doing it, you know,

(34:42):
over water.
We can't.
Um and so uh but they also dothings like they they operate.
Are you familiar with uh andy'all may have seen these and
thought they're ridiculouslooking?
Uh Boeing has these gigantic uhairplanes that they're based on
747s, but they've taken the topof the 747 completely off and

(35:04):
they've put this huge bubblelike super guppies.
Yeah, the super guppy things.
Uh so Boeing has theseairplanes, they own them, they
did the the the mod modificationto them, and then what they do
is they actually will open upthe front of it, they'll slide a
fuselage for like a 787 orsomething like that into it
during the construction phase,they'll fly it from one factory

(35:26):
to the next factory, take itout, and then they can finish
building the airplane.
That's why Boeing owns these.
Um well Boeing doesn't haveauthority to fly their own
airplanes, they're not anairline, they're a they build
airlines.
So Atlas has the contract to flythose.
So Atlas flies those planes thatare owned by Boeing for Boeing.

(35:47):
Yeah.
They do all kinds of crazystuff.

SPEAKER_04 (35:50):
Um west of airplanes.

SPEAKER_01 (35:53):
Kind of.
And Atlas is very good at it.
And and if you uh know, you maynot even recognize this is what
it's from.
If you've ever uh driven throughLouisville, not Louisville, if
you uh Cincinnati, and you'reheading to Florence, y'all on
the right hand side of theinterstate heading south or left
hand uh heading north, there's abig office building they just
built maybe three, four yearsago, and it has the picture of

(36:16):
Atlas like holding the globe.

SPEAKER_04 (36:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
That's their company headquarters.
Okay.
So that's Atlas.
They also at Van Lines.
Atlas van lines.
Oh my gosh.
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 (36:27):
No, no, no, but I mean, but there's Atlas van
lines as well with that samelogo.
So I'd imagine they're just adifferent division of the same
company.

SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
They're not.
They're actually totallydifferent companies, but I do
like I do see where you're goingwith that.
Yeah.
Um, but no, they're they'rethey're they do this.
They also have a bunch of stuffthey fly for uh Amazon.
Okay.
They're one of Amazon airs bigpeople.
So like they just go out andfind jobs and they know flying,
so that's what they do.
Sure.
Uh so they got they uh FedEx gottheir CEO or COO and brought

(36:55):
them over, and that person hashas basically taken FedEx from
like, hey, you're not we're notjust flying FedEx overnight
envelopes anymore.
Now we're going after all thisother cargo that FedEx has never
gone after before.
And so because of that, FedExmoved their MD11 dates from 2028
to 2032.

(37:16):
Interesting.
Oh they're delaying theirretirements and then they just
had their whole fleet groundedof those airplanes.
So it's it's interesting becauseuh up until up until a couple of
weeks or a week ago, all of uswould have argued the MD-11 is a
very safe airplane.
And it makes perfect sense forthem to fly it as long as they

(37:40):
are, and as far as durability, Ihate to say this, but even the
crash proves how strong thoseairplanes are.
The debris field is, I think,like a mile long or something
like that.
That's because that airframe isbuilt so strong, it was able to
actually go through all of that.
Whereas you think of a lot ofairplane accidents, they're very

(38:01):
like small.
Right.
There's not a lot of airplaneaccidents where the debris field
is huge.
This is a testament to howstrong this airframe is built.
Um, and so it is a uniquesituation where uh this airplane
is uniquely perfect for whatthey're doing, uh, and they

(38:22):
can't fly them now.
So I am curious what's gonnahappen.
I think so too, but I but I alsodon't know if they're going to
use this as an excuse to retirethem.
You know what I mean?
Like, will this be the big pushthat kills the MD-11 entirely?

SPEAKER_05 (38:44):
I think it's gonna depend on what they actually
find.

SPEAKER_01 (38:47):
So right up here, my FedEx airplane is an MD-11.
I just realized that.

SPEAKER_05 (38:52):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
So the model that I have of this uh FedEx airplane
up here on my uh on my shelf isactually an MD-11 from FedEx.
I mean, it's a it's a verypopular airplane they fly.
Yeah.
Um, so it is uh again, it's veryinteresting.
I'm I'm curious to see if thisis gonna be the death of the
airplane or if they're going touh find out, hey, this was a
one-time fluke.

(39:13):
And um and that's that.
I I follow a person onlinecalled Captain Steve.
I don't know if y'all watchCaptain Steve or not.
I do.
Uh he's he's a great captain,just retired out of American
Airlines.
Uh he was an Air Force pilotbefore that.
I mean, his whole career hasbeen aviation.
He breaks down uh lots of topicsin aviation, but he does talk
about when there's a majorcrash, like he uh talked about

(39:34):
the Air India that happened lastyear or earlier this year.

SPEAKER_07 (39:38):
And he's good because he actually on the Air
India flight, at least, he he hehe speculated and he said it was
speculation.
Correct.
And he came back and said, Nope,I was wrong, it was actually
something different.
Absolutely.
You don't see ego there.
You don't see that.

SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
No, no ego, just just facts.
Just facts.
Just facts.
So he talked a lot about thisairplane uh uh crash and
everything, and getting thatperspective um kind of helps you
process.
And again, here's someone whohas really studied these crashes
for years before I was born, uhlike just a long, long time.

(40:14):
He even said kind of we'll seewhere the evidence brings us,
but based on the initialfindings, this is a a fluke
accident.
That that may never ever everhappen again.
Yeah, right.
It is he said it's unlike anyplane crash he's ever seen.
Maybe we'll find more.
So again, uh I did want to say,so the the plane that happened

(40:37):
in in the 70s, they redesignedthe pylon, so now they're
they're not as easy to break.
And there hasn't been a pylonbreak since.
Like it's literally been sincethe 70s that we've had a pylon
that broke and an engine felloff.

SPEAKER_02 (40:49):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
Um because they redesigned it.
They also redesigned all thehydraulics.
So if that were to happen, youdon't lose the ability to f to
fly the airplane.
Uh, which is why you do see inthis situation it does take off
and it does fly a little bitbefore it crashes.
Um because they they made allthose improvements over time.
It's very interesting uhsituation and uh heartbreaking.

(41:14):
Um It really is.
Yeah, it's just it's the it'syou know, there's there's people
that the the the pilots thatwere on the airplane, obviously,
and and have seen some of theirstories, and um, if you haven't
look them up.
Like these these are really goodpeople.
Um, and then the uh people whowere just at work and this

(41:37):
horrible crash got them.
Like I've there's been severalpeople that have died that were
on the ground.
Just I mean, like, none of usever expect a plane to fall out
of the sky and hit us.
And then there's so many peoplethat have survived but are in
intensive care or at hospitalsright now as we speak.
Some are fighting for theirlives, some are not, some are
just trying to heal.

(41:58):
Uh, but still, I mean it it itit changed a lot of people's
lives immediately.
I really appreciated being umobviously with us having such a
close relationship with FedEx,that they did uh uh post out
there, uh, we are deeplysaddened by the tragic accident
involving UPS Flight 2976 nearLouisville.

(42:19):
Our thoughts are with thefamilies, crew members, and
everyone across the UPS andLouisville communities affected
by this devastating loss.
The entire FedEx team standswith our colleagues across the
aviation industry during thisdifficult time.
So for FedEx to sit back or toto pretty quick within a few
hours, recognize this is not aUPS issue.
No, this is this is a horrificaccident that's happened in the

(42:43):
aviation community.
And we are fierce competitors,but we are also the same.
Uh I thought it meant a lot.
It was very classy, and uhcertainly appreciated uh them
making that statement.

SPEAKER_07 (42:55):
You know, if we can bring this back down uh over to
trucking back on the ground,yes, you know, how many times
have we passed by a collision oftrucks?
I I drove by one just yesterdaymorning and it was three trucks,
the two in the back.
There were two had re-rendedone.
I'm not sure how it happened.
I've of course I didn't see it,but you know, when you think

(43:16):
about that person that got upthat morning, whether he was in
the sleeper and he got out ofthe sleeper and got in the truck
to drive, uh or left home.
Um, you know, but he's out thereworking doing a job and these
things happened.
Yes.
Don't know why they happened.
Yesterday's conditions on theroad were were pretty sketchy,
but these things happen all thetime, unfortunately.

(43:38):
And you think about the peoplethat are affected, besides you
being stuck in traffic or thedrivers that were in the vehic
in the truck, um but theirfamilies and the families of
those other folks that wereaffected, and just um you know,
it it's it's it's dangerous outthere all around, whether it's

(44:02):
flying a plane or in trucking,being a passenger excuse me, in
in a plane or or a motorvehicle.
Um and you it you gotta stop andthink and and appreciate the
life that we've got and and andwhat we're doing here, you know?
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (44:19):
I I I couldn't agree more.
I mean, you know, I I being thethe channel's uh airplane guy.
Yeah uh sure you know, you Istill sit back and you realize
like this was terrible.
The Air Andy was tragic.
The uh American Airlines uh uhexpress jet that uh outside of

(44:39):
DC with the helicopter.
With a helicopter, yeah.
Hor horrific.
Like when you get on an airplaneand you sit down in your seat,
you expect a certain level ofsafety, right?
And it's still the safest meansof transportation.
Statistically speaking, likewhen we yes, when we go fly

(45:00):
somewhere or do something, theuh the drive from my house to
the airport, airport to myhouse, is the most dangerous
thing I'll do that day.
You know, flying is extremelysafe.
Even so I'm hoping by the timethis comes out this is all
settled.
But right now, there's a majoruh flight um air traffic control

(45:22):
sister uh center uh air trafficcontrollers um shortage because
of the ongoing uh governmentshutdown.
Which looks to be resolved, butwe'll see.
And um so they're cuttingflights left and right, and
people are upset they're cuttingflights, and I get that.
I would not want my flight to becut.

(45:43):
I have about the actually aboutthe time this is gonna come out,
I'll be on a flight.
Uh and I hope it doesn't getcancelled, right?
But at the end of the day, theyare doing this because uh a
canceled flight sure beats thealternative.

SPEAKER_06 (45:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
It it just does.
Sure.
And so they are like whateverthe political and other
motivations that are happeningbehind the scenes, they are
still taking a backseat tosafety has to be the most
important thing.
And I and I think too withtrucking, safety has to be the
most important thing.
It has to be.

(46:18):
So when you are driving,especially right now, we're in
that time of the year where theroad conditions can change
quickly, they have to be themost important thing.
We have to keep eyes out forblack ice.
What does black ice look like?
We used to hear that term allthe time, not know what it
means.
When you're driving down theroad and it hasn't been raining,
and all of a sudden the roadlooks wet, you're getting into

(46:40):
black ice conditions.
Where is that where is icingmost likely to happen?
It's most likely to happen on abridge or under a bridge.
Yeah.
And under a bridge can be reallydangerous because the sun, like
you talked about, the sun willuh melt the snow and all that
ice.
Uh so on top of a bridge, thesun may actually de-ice the road

(47:00):
naturally.
When you're driving over abridge during the day, you don't
think anything of it.
When you go under a bridge, thatsun wasn't able to penetrate
through the bridge, and so youcould easily have still have
that shade and cold in there.
Absolutely, and you have thatice uh that still formed.
So uh being smart about how touh be safe and be on the road.
I I thought it was great.

(47:22):
Uh Jerry posted a um article toour uh Heifeld uh trucking
website website.
What is that one?
Our blog.
Our blog, thank you.
Uh and it talked about uh winterpreparedness and um it talked
about a lot of like beingprepared, having additional food
and and and water and uh thingslike that on the road,

(47:46):
additional uh wiper blades,because in summertime you're
only turning your wiper bladeson to uh for rain or maybe to
clear bug splatter.
Yeah, you know, yeah.
Uh in the middle of uh winter,you're using it to uh clear ice,
and ice destroys wiper blades.
So having additional wiperblades on your on you so when it

(48:07):
does happen, you can pull into atruck stop and swap them out if
you need to quickly.
Uh having uh additional uh wiperfluid, because you go through
wiper fluid so much faster andhave appropriately rated.
Yes, that negative 20, negative30 degree wiper fluid because uh
if you're like me and Eric, sowe were uh from and I think you

(48:30):
were this well, uh uh Vince,we're from the South.
Yeah.
Well and you're from South LA.
You're South LA.
I'm South uh I'm also South LA,right?
It's just Louisiana, not LosAngeles.
Like we we didn't learn winterpreparedness because we had
washer fluid, period.
There was no different flavors.

(48:51):
Never heard of winter blend,summer blend, didn't know any of
that stuff nonsense, right?
Uh we didn't know about uh thatthat diesel fuel gels.
It's not a thing down there, itdoesn't happen, it'll get cold
enough.
So the transition was big forus, and so a lot of people, if
you've never driven in thewinter, if you've never really
experienced that, taking thoseadditional steps, knowing that

(49:11):
it does increase your risk, butit doesn't I'm gonna this is
gonna sound weird, it doesn'tmake it more dangerous.
It's knowing that, hey, here's afew additional risk factors I
wasn't counting on.
Sure.
So you mitigate those risks bypaying attention to the weather.
Sure.
Like becoming a crazy fiend forthe weather person.

(49:35):
Yeah.
Almost every trucking uh peopleI know that are out there, at
least one partner hasweather.com or underground,
weather underground or and yeah,or uh what's the other one
that's big?

SPEAKER_04 (49:49):
Um Brian's weather?

SPEAKER_07 (49:50):
No, yes, well, he's the video YouTube channel that
the the Lords share with us onthe Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 (49:57):
Yes, and there's also uh what's is it angry
weather?
What's the one y'all like?

SPEAKER_05 (50:01):
Um the cat one?

SPEAKER_01 (50:02):
No, the uh the um inappropriate one.
WT weather, yeah.
Okay, that's for adults only,just so you know.
Yeah, and then Jerry, you weregonna say something.

SPEAKER_00 (50:13):
Carrot weather, it's kind of along the same lines.
You can do either what obsceneor very nice.
Wt forecast.
Okay, WT forecast, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
Yeah, or you get the serious ones like Noah, yes,
N-O-A-A.
You can play for subscriptionthat alerts you with the bad
weather.
The bad, bad stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (50:32):
Nike weather is good with you.

SPEAKER_04 (50:34):
Um I personally use WAF.
It's gonna sound really weird.
Uh WAFF.
It's a weather channel out ofAlabama, actually.
Um, but it shows me radar.

unknown (50:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:45):
And it's got a lovely, it's free.
It's a lovely radar.
I don't have to pay for NOAAanymore.
Um, your daily notifications areAlabama.

SPEAKER_01 (50:56):
So you know exactly how the weather in Birmingham is
gonna be at any given moment.

SPEAKER_04 (51:01):
However, it still follows me.

SPEAKER_01 (51:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (51:03):
And so if something catastrophic is gonna happen
here, weather, snow, whatever,um, it will alert me to that as
well.
Uh, but that daily one is isAlabama.
Uh I got Vince on this thischannel, but it it shows it
shows everything.
I really like the way that itshows, especially for the
tornadoes.

SPEAKER_07 (51:22):
Um Another one we used to use was highway weather,
where you can actually put inyour your location and
destination and it'll route you,or not route you, but it'll tell
you the weather along your routewhen you anticipate to be there.
Um so it wasn't accurate if I'mplanning a trip for tomorrow.
Yeah.
Uh, but it it would help rightaway to know where I was going
and kind of look ahead.

(51:44):
Uh then also the other places tolook for, not necessarily
weather, but road conditions,are your state DOT websites,
absolutely, which will tell youwhat where there's road
closures, that type of thingalong your route potentially.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (51:56):
But that's a lot of downloading of apps.

SPEAKER_01 (51:58):
It is, but they're helpful, they're useful.
But I also recommend people um Iknow so Google Maps in ways,
they get a lot of like in thetruck community, like, oh,
that's you shouldn't use that.
That's for cars, right?
What they are and I agree, youyou shouldn't.
You they will put you in a lowbridge.
They will absolutely put you ina situation driving into a
neighborhood you can't drivethrough.

(52:19):
So for navigation, no.
But they do they're really goodat giving you what are at
traffic conditions.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
They are very helpful with that.
And so I know CB radio is is isa very handy tool that a lot of
people use.
Uh so use or don't use, but I'mjust saying, so some of those,

(52:40):
some of those uh like Waze orGoogle Maps or Apple Maps,
they're getting the sameinformation, they're getting it
to you potentially miles furtherthan your CB radio can actually
find out.
And so you may uh you know lookat traffic and be like, uh a
good example, miles out.
So I used to run Dallas toColumbus all the time, not
hauling freight.

(53:01):
I used to do that moving trucksbecause we worked with double-A
sleepers, god rest our souls.
And um when I would get from uhI had two major uh points where
I had to decide where I was whatI was gonna do.
Memphis was one.
So from Memphis to get toColumbus, you can go uh I-40 all
the way to Nashville and then gostraight up 65 to Louisville and

(53:24):
and and on to 71, uh pretty muchall the way into uh Columbus.
Or you can actually go north ofMemphis.
You're on a highway, don't knowwhich one it is, you go through
Dyersburg, you go through acouple other places, you
sidestep Paducah, and then youget on the Western Kentucky
Pirate uh Parkway, and thateventually gets you over to it's

(53:45):
a beautiful drive, isn't it?
Yeah.
There's it's I love that drive.
Um and then you can get to um itspits you out on 65 by Fort
Knox.
So it's a longer route, but ifyou know traffic and you know
like you can look at 40 and lookat okay, is there any accidents

(54:06):
on 40?
Because an accident on 40 maysay a 15-minute delay, but we
all know 15 minutes can quicklyturn into two hours.
Quickly on 40.
Uh, or if you can look at uhNashville traffic, if you're
gonna hit Nashville at nineo'clock at night, go that way.
Yeah, do you think it's fine?
Yeah, it's quicker, yeah.
It's quicker, it's a lot of fun.
Uh but if you know you're gonnahit Nashville at 4 o'clock, five
o'clock in the afternoon, goingthe northern route, even though

(54:29):
it says it'll be quicker to gothrough Nashville, going the
northern route does save youtime.
Same with Louisville.
If Louisville is really bad,actually taking the time to go
through uh on that same parkwayover to Lexington and north can
save you a lot of time.

SPEAKER_07 (54:46):
So Yes, we're not talking about just taking the
the outer bypass of the city.
We're talking about Louisvilleis what, 65 north through
Louisville?
You have 65 north, you could dothe 265 or you can do the 265.
We're not talking about doing265 or 264.
We're talking about routeplanning way around the city and
not just the the outs outsidebelt.

(55:07):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
And that's one of those things too where it's it
looks like it's hundreds ofmiles out of the way, but it's
really not.
When you look at the time-wiseto, it might say, oh, this is
gonna be 10 more minutes, butknowing after a little time of
being out there and being stuckin Louisville traffic, 10, 15
minutes is nothing.
Yeah.
If it's bringing you tosomewhere where you're not gonna

(55:29):
have traffic, yeah, it'snothing.
Because you also can't getthrough those areas as fast as
those other services think youcan.
Right.
You can't buzz throughLouisville uh in the left lane
doing 75 miles an hour uhbecause you're in a commercial
truck.
So taking all these taking allthese tools, uh the weather, the

(55:49):
the traffic uh highlights.
I like what you said too aboutthe uh the local DOTs because
they are really good at likeGoogle may say, hey, there's a
wreck.

SPEAKER_07 (55:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
And that's all they say.

SPEAKER_07 (55:58):
But your DOT website's gonna give you more
information.
Yes, absolutely.
Especially in those bad weatherstates.
Uh Wyoming.
And it may be the same for thenortheastern states, but those
are the ones that we foundourselves in during the winter
for some weird reason all thetime.
And you can look at things likewind advisories on the I-80

(56:19):
through I wyoming telling youthe roads closed.
Looks clear, but wind advisor isgonna shut you down for half a
day, if not longer.
So Jerry was gonna say somethinga couple times earlier.
I want to give Jerry a chance totalk.

SPEAKER_00 (56:30):
I was just gonna say, you know, your modern truck
GPS.
I mean, when I had Garmin, I hadRam McNally, they all give you
live traffic, they all rerouted,they all give you radar and live
weather.
You literally could tell Garminvoice navigation, and you can
just tell it, show me theweather, and it'll pop up right
on your screen.

SPEAKER_07 (56:49):
I'm gonna I'm gonna dispute one thing there with you
because sometimes our RamMcNally would give us bad
information.
So when it would pop up and say,and we had ours next to our
Wi-Fi hotspot in the truck, itwould pop up and say, you know,
traffic ahead, whatever,whatever, take this route.
One of us, a passenger, wouldhop on the phone and go, okay,
let's make sure this is actuallyuh uh there's a problem here,
and this isn't the old report.

(57:09):
Sometimes it'd be old reportsand you find really figure out
that you didn't go that way, butit was good to make you aware,
and then it was actually givingyou a proper truck route around
a problem versus a Google Mapsroute around that problem that's
gonna take you on throughneighborhoods and stuff.
You should have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:26):
Whenever I bought the Garmin, I actually got the
plug that had the trafficbuilding to the plug.
So it would constantly pop upand it'd be like it would well,
I mean it was like 20 bucks moreor so and it would just pop up
on the screen.
Hey, you know, there's anaccident or whatever, this route
can get you around it, and youjust literally click a button
and you're good to go.

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
Yeah.
I do think it's an importantpart because we do have a lot of
people who come over and uh theuh with each carrier they have
map functions that help you getfrom where you're at to the uh
delivery.
So you don't have to buy a aGarmin or a Ram McNally GPS, you
don't have to.
We they already have that.
Those do not have weatherintegration, they do not have

(58:06):
traffic integration, they arethe quickest points A to B
that's truck sell uh truck routesafe.
And so um that is where theseadditional apps do come in
handy.
And if you do even if you haveto pay for one, they're taxed
right off.
So you have that ability aswell.
Sure.

SPEAKER_00 (58:22):
Um FedEx, but you do Oh, I'm sorry.
I was just gonna say FedEx, theyoffer navigation building to the
Qualcomm.

unknown (58:28):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (58:28):
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, same with Fantasy.
Updated are those maps, though.

SPEAKER_00 (58:32):
Great.

SPEAKER_07 (58:33):
Because on the Panther side, constantly we used
ours on the time on the Pantherside.
However, Panther no longer usesthe Qualcomm or the Omnitrax,
they use Samsara, which doesn'thave it.
Right.
But we found that our maps wereages old too.
They weren't up, Panther didn'tupdate the maps on their
Omnitrax.

SPEAKER_01 (58:51):
So Jerry ran for FedEx uh longer than I did, so I
don't have the most up-to-date,although you're up to date's
2021.
So it's a little old.
Yeah.
And uh at those points, when Ileft, uh those maps were uh very
conservative safe.

(59:12):
Sure.
They weren't necessarily ideal.
Uh so I I do know that it uhwhile it's provided, it wasn't
necessarily the best.
And and absolutely having a GPSthat's made for trucking is um
is definitely advisable, but Ido recognize too, a lot of
people come here and can't buy athree, four hundred, five
hundred dollar uh navigationsystem.

SPEAKER_07 (59:32):
And and that was certainly, even though Panthers
maps are outdated, it was moreof an inconvenience and less of
a oh a danger or a you know asafety issue.
The map still worked.
Yes.
They may not just have thelatest interchange that was
built five years ago on the map.

SPEAKER_04 (59:49):
We we didn't have the newest technology for
probably the first six to ninemonths that we We didn't have
that until we actually had ahazmat load and our GPS wouldn't
do hazmat.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:01):
Like we ran the Panther maps off the Omnitracks.
Again, Omnitracks are not what'sprovided now, but like because
we were in that boat of nothaving financially cash to have
a uh a direct GPS.
Yeah, we didn't have that, so weran what we had.
We may have backed it up withGoogle Maps again.

(01:00:22):
That's where a new constructionzone and and Panthers map ended,
but you're like, I can visuallysee something.
So then you would maybe switchto a Google map to get you that
last half a mile or whatever.
But um not everybody has the themoney to make it happen, but
there's apps now.
I don't think I don't feel likethere were as many truck

(01:00:45):
specific apps when we started in1990.
2019.
Like then that there are today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:54):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:55):
Like and maybe there were, but we just didn't know
about them.
But I just don't feel like therewere truck.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:00):
I think that whole I think that whole technology and
trucking segment has exploded.
I mean, sure.
You know, what do they say likeevery is it every year or every
two years?
Uh what is it?
It something doubles intechnology, right?
There's some kind of wall.
It has been broken, but I'm justsaying like it moves a lot
faster.
It moves it moves so fast.

(01:01:21):
So like 2019, when it comes tothat stuff, is ancient.
Sure.
It's just crazy, you know?
Yeah.
Think about that.
Um, so when Eric and I get offthe run 17, that's very old
information.
I still keep up with some of itbecause I do still have to drive
trucks cross-country sometimes.
Sure.
Um, but uh I I don't have a Idon't have a GPS to take with

(01:01:45):
me, but I know the routes I'mgoing.
Jerry's got five.
He does.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:50):
I normally do take one, and it's the last truck
that I went to get whenever itwas down in Florida.
I forgot to take it.
And sure enough, the first thingI did is I went straight to
Trucker Path and they had a freeseven-day trial to their trucker
GPS.
And so I was like, hey, thiswill get me home.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:03):
If I've if I've got to gotta travel yourself a note
for seven days.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:06):
If I've got to travel outside the original or
the the immediate area to grab atruck, I I got our I have our
GPS in the car in the in the athome.
And if it'd been six months orso, I'll go sit in the car and
plug it in and try to wi fi andupdate it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:22):
I love, I love uh uh when we would get so Eric and I
are back in our day.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:31):
Did you use the book?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:32):
Did you use the book?
We never used the book.
We bought a book.
Yep.
We bought it because we said ifwe ever break down and need it,
we're gonna have it.
That's it.
And we never used it, so wenever bought a second book.
But that's okay.
But I can't tell you last awhile.
I can't tell you how many booksI pulled out of trucks, and I'm
curious if y'all have had thatexperience.

(01:02:54):
Or people are like not veryoften.
But we do.
Yeah, yeah.
We got we got it back when I wasexpensive.
Oh, they were so they're ahundred something dollars.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:04):
Then if you're old and you want the the large text
uh spiral bands.
That's what we had.
We had spared button's going tobe.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:22):
Two gears or two two dogs, you had a double shift,
and you were staring with yourknee while clutching with your
other foot.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:27):
Yeah, exactly.
Uh so I bought my own.
And uh my first trainer uh whenI was driving tractor trailer at
the end of training, he hepresented me with one as a gift.
Oh wow.
And I go, Well, thank you, but II bought one, I have the same
one.
So, you know, pay it forward tosomebody else, right?

(01:03:48):
Yeah, but yeah, he was surprisedthat I had one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:51):
I thought you were gonna say that it was last
year's model.
No, he bought a new one.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:54):
He bought a new one, so it was all uh dog shit, dog
ear.
No, it was brand new, but that'sa sweet gift.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:00):
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:03):
Um, no, but you know, it's it's good to have
just in case it is technologygoes down, whether whether your
GPS breaks or just your youryour satellite service doesn't
work for whatever reason, youknow, those big cities, Chicago,
New York City, you gate right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:19):
My first experience with that 2009, Eric and I,
Eric, I, Jenny, and Jamie, wedrove my Toyota Tundra up to New
Jersey, pulled a trailer that uhJamie, Jamie had got for us, uh,
to pick up the 1973, uh 74Volkswagen uh microbus.

(01:04:41):
Best year.
Yes indeed.
With air conditioning, thankyou.
Uh and the angel was seized.
Uh so we had to trailer it back.
Uh so we got permission from theguy that we bought it from, he
had a big poll land in uh NewJersey, that we could load the
van up, leave the trailer there,and then we would go in the
city.
So we actually drove into thecity, and that was my we went to

(01:05:03):
the tunnel, Lincoln uh uh noHolland tunnel, get out of the
Holland tunnel, and it's socool.
Like I'm in the I'm in a truck,but whatever.
Like, it's fine, we're in thetunnel, it's good.
And we get out of the tunnel,and Google on my iPhone is like,
sorry, we will see you when youleave the state.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, y'allgotta quick open up your iPhones

(01:05:26):
and figure out where we're atand we're going.
So we literally had to like lookat regular map view, not and
there was no moving dot.
It was like, uh, we're passinguh third and 164th, and then
like find that like okay, youneed to turn right at the next
one.
The next one's a one way and itgoes left only.
So like all that to the holidayinn, and and and if you know

(01:05:48):
where the Holland Tunnel comesout, it's it's like near uh uh
Midtown, and we had to go allthe way into the CBD because
that's where we were staying,right next to the Brooklyn
Bridge.
Oh, it was a disaster, anabsolute disaster.
That was my first time everexperiencing like so many tall
buildings that your internet'slike no, we're good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:08):
Yeah, you need to use paper products.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:12):
Oh, yes.
And we parked the trunk at wepaid to park.
It was so expensive.
It was like$40 or$50 a day.
We paid to park and then wedidn't touch it until we left.
I'm like, I'm not driving tothis city for nothing.
Uh but we were down, I mean, atthat point, Brooklyn Bridge, I
mean, that's that's waydowntown.
That's the the heart of it.

(01:06:32):
Like, we were not far from WallStreet.
It was crazy.
Wait a huge hotel room.
That was really cool.
Anyways, so um Squirrel.
Squirrel.
Uh so uh yeah, having thesetools, I one thing I was gonna
say too is a lot of teams docome in, and because we have
that really cool deal withloves, uh, every point from from
day one, every every gallon youof fuel you put in that truck

(01:06:55):
gets you three points pergallon.
When you go over thousandgallons.
A thousand gallons, it bumps touh four points per gallon.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:05):
Diamond assassin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:07):
And so you always have platinum, but it will let
you go to diamond if you needto, but platinum's your shelf,
not basic, not gold, notwhatever the other ones are.
So a lot of our teams do comein, they fuel only at loves,
they really hold that line andthey build up enough points
pretty quickly because of theamount of running we do to then
go out and buy a GPS.

(01:07:27):
Yep.
Uh, and then we get in the wholeRand McNally versus Garmin
debate, which none of us want tohave.
No, please no.
Yeah, we don't think we've doneboth.
We don't.
You we have, yeah.
I I don't know if y'all have,but I mean it's Garmin or
nothing.
But uh I won't we're not gonnaget into it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:42):
Our our first one was a Rand McNally, our last one
was a Garmin.
I'm and I know teams that useboth at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:51):
Yeah, I'm just saying they're not putting Rand
McNally's in airplanes.
No, they're not, but they areputting Garmin's.
So uh, you know, you do you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:58):
Uh I like the one that just says turn here,
buttermilk Piquee.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:03):
Piquee.
I always thought Rand McNallyhad like a bedroom voice.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:08):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:10):
And I always thought it was funny that it was welcome
to Virgin.
Yeah.
But when it was West Virginia,it was welcome to West Virginia.
And I'm like, well, whathappened to Virgin?
Yeah.
How do we say one one way, butwe don't say the other one the
other way?
Well, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:30):
It's uh it's politics.
Again, it's politics.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:34):
Pakee.
We still say it today.
Anytime we pass anything thatsays Anytime we pass a peque, we
say a bakwi, which is PKW.
Yes.
And she translates it as pequ.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:50):
Oh, we got to espoe.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:52):
Well, I uh I we're about to wrap up.
I do want to say one thing, uh,and and I think all y'all will
agree.
Next week, uh I think it wouldbe fun if we talked about winter
preparedness.
And since uh Jerry's alreadydone all the homework.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:07):
Ooh, he could bring it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:08):
I think he should bring it.
And we'll talk about it and thenwe'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:12):
Whose seat is he gonna sit in?
Oh, there we go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:14):
I like that.
He likes his seat.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:16):
He Patrick's the host, so you can have my seat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:18):
No, I think he's good where he's at.
All in favor of Jerry staringwhere he's at?

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:22):
Aye.
Aye.
He does control the camera, sohe can certainly put a camera
right on wherever he is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:28):
We can get a little iPhone, set it right here next
to the candle.
Well, the candle helpsilluminate his face.
It gets him that that glow.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:36):
Yeah.
Candle glow.
And he literally has a fiveo'clock shadow from his beard
coming up his face.
Jerry's like, I thought I wasgonna get away without being
bullied today.
So I let all the teams know whenthey come to pick up a truck.
Yes.
About we talked about the washerfluid.
Yes.
Because, you know, I learnedabout it as I was on the road,

(01:09:56):
and then there was a point whereI needed some winter washer
fluid, and I was in, I don'tknow, Mesa, Arizona, or no,
actually we were in Yuma,Arizona.
Oh yeah.
And they they don't have nowinter formula washer fluid.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:10):
I was like, oh, that makes sense.
Well, it's like uh anti gel.
You know, we talked to teamsabout putting anti gel in the
truck, and uh we've had somepeople who are like well you
don't the truck stops alreadyput some of that in there,
they're already treating theirfuel.
They are to a degree, yeah.
But if you buy fuel in BatonRouge, Louisiana, and then you

(01:10:31):
drive due north, you'll be inChicago with two-thirds a tank
of diesel of untreated fluid.
Yeah, or untreated uh fuel,rather.
So I mean like it's not hard tothat to gel up.
So um no, it's definitely goodstuff, and uh we will talk more

(01:10:52):
about it next time.
Next time on the outer belt.

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Wait a second.

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It's a simple zero thousand dollars.
I don't if it's if it's threehundred dollars, it's too much.
It's too much when you can pay$150 or whatever it is and get a
carp test on.
All right, I'll get that.
Um yeah, be safe than sorry, uh,I think so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:30):
And then uh no mill lights.
Yeah, no mail lights, no checkengine lights.
Um I had someone call meactually yesterday, and they
were like, you know, hey, Idon't have a mill light on, but
I do have an issue with theradar system on the front of my
truck.
That does not bother it.
Nope.
Just no mail lights, no checkengine lights, uh, because we're
only checking the emissions.
We're not looking at anythingelse on your vehicle.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:50):
Absolutely.
This does not replace a DOTinspection or anything like
that.
No at all.
Um cool.
Well, I like what they're doing.
I, you know, there is that pieceof me that hates oh the ban, the
government, it's costing us afortune.
But at the other hand, I alsolike breathing clean air.
So, um, you know, take it as youwould.
I'm I'm I am anti-acid rain.

(01:13:13):
Vince, not so much.
He likes acid.
So, um until next week.
Uh wait, whoa, whoa.
Whoa.
Whoa.
Can we slow down?
Yes, please.
Okay.
Until next week.
Jerry.

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Highfield Trucking YouTubechannel.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:45):
So that's out that's Outer Belt Plus Truck Tours plus
all the other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:50):
Everything that encompasses Highfield Trucking,
we actually just hit 1.8 millionviews on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:56):
Wow, nice.
That's a lot of views.
A lot of views.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:00):
Boy, if I had a dollar for each.
Oh, really?
It's only taken me, I mean, thelast five years of watching
trifield trucking videos.
To make sure all 108 to makesure I get 1.8 million views.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:13):
Well, yeah, I mean I started it.
I actually got it up going,what, like uh March or April of
23?

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:20):
Something like that.
I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:21):
So two years.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:23):
Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:24):
Two and a half, but two and a half, one point eight
million views.
That's that's a pretty goodclip.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:29):
Yeah, it's not bad.
How exciting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:32):
And we haven't even done any of the clickbait or any
of the craziness, you know.
We just just it's all it's ohnaturel.
Yes.
No clickbait, huh?
By the way, Jerry, we need toincorporate clickbait.
So uh until we see each otheragain, thank you so much for
hanging out with us.
We certainly do appreciate it.
So until next time, until we seeyou again, thank you so much for

(01:15:54):
hanging out with us andsupporting us again.
As he said, if you do see uhanyone in your life that you're
like, hey, they would enjoyhearing these crazy people
ramble.
Uh, we would love to have themuh check us out.
And uh if you didn't likeanything you saw, we totally
understand.
Hit that uh thumbs down buttontwice to really show them how

(01:16:16):
much you don't like us.
Uh and we would appreciate it.
We will see you um shortly.
Stay safe, make good decisions.
Don't leave money on the table.

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