The Certified Medical Examiner Integration Rule: What CDL Holders Need to Know

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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Real Outer Belt
Podcast.
I'm Patrick and you're all myfriends, chili.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Buttermilk.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Eric.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Zucchini bread.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
And Jerry.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I'm Patrick.
That's not how that works, isit?

Speaker 4 (00:20):
It worked.
This time, though, it does,doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We should be like welcome to the show and then not
say who.
I am Right, I should be last.
I should be last.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
You should be last Heart of a servant.
Yes, exactly, the servant islast.
The servant is last, can?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I wash your feet.
Yes, please, we don't have avessel.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Well, you are the servant, Go get a vessel.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Tou, we don't have a vessel healer, I'll have to go
to Walmart.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, and that's so far away, so far away.
The thing is, I need a boatvessel to get to that vessel.
Exactly, maybe a Mayflower.
Ooh yeah, did you know?
I heard a joke, did you I?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
did.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm listening, I don't remember it.
April flowers, april flowersbring May showers.
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Lord.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
And how does your garden grow?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh my, goodness, All right Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Let's cockle bells.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
That was funny, that was funny.
That was great, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I appreciate it.
Did you know?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
that Mary had a little lamb.
His fleece was white as snow.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
They are.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, yeah.
I heard a comedian once talkabout like how Christopher
Walken can say everything funnyand he was like imagine if
Christopher Walken said thatLike Mary had a little lamb
whose fleece was white as snowand like the whole crowd died.
But he could actually do aChristopher Walken impression.
I think, that could be whatmade the difference it could be.

(01:41):
I try, I really do.
Sometimes it's a swing and itactually should have been just a
ball and I should have held itthere.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
It's a swing and it's a foul ball, but you could.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
every now and then I get a nice punt in.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Now you're mixing metaphors.
What You're mixing metaphors?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I thought baseball you punted.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
No, that's basketball .

Speaker 1 (02:01):
No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Are you sure it's?
Football so in basketball youswing, you shoot and you score,
you bunt.
That's the biathlon.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
You bunt, not punt in baseball.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Oh, punting, is you bunt in baseball?
Punting, that's with football,football Football.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, bunting is with the baseball.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I thought bunting was the stuff they put around the
stands, like during playoffgames the red, white and blue.
That's called bunting, rightMight be what.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, now that we've lost our entire audience yeah, I
think they're still all here.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
They're all still here with us because they're
like where is this going?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
to go.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Can it get?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
any more off the rails it could, it could be like
that trestle, that burned downJim.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Trestle.
He was the head coach of OhioState football at one point.
He was.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So was Urban Meyer.
Yeah, he was, he was, and now Ithink all he's good for is the
Pine House in downtown Dublin.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's who Urban Meyer is.
Yes, seriously, I thought hewas like a clothing maker or
something.
No, you're thinking of.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Urban Outfitters Urban.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Out.
No, you're, yeah, that makessense.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
You're thinking of.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Leslie Jordan, who, no, you're thinking of?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I recently went to the Urban Meyer Pint House
Recently.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, but the but.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I thought it was a clothing store thing.
No, it's all the hospitalsaround.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Here are Wexner, who is the clothing line person.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yes, Wexner.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes, what.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Wexner.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
He owned.
He owned Victoria's SecretLimited.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Limited Express the Limited 2.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, express.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
He owned Banana.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Republic, banana Republic, did he?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't know he fit into that group.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Sears, roebuck and Company.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, I'm kidding.
So Urban Meyer is an Ohioplayer.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
No, he was a former Ohio State football head coach.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
He might have been a player.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh, head coach, he might have been a player.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was definitely a player.
I think he's on his fourth orfifth wife.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, that makes sense why their motif is now the
way it is.
That all makes sense as to whyit was.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Was there a lot of football stuff out there?
There was, and it was sports.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
TV.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
It was very Buckeye-esque.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
There was a can of beer somewhere.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Or on tap.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
yes, Well, they got a big hops tower out front, don't
they?
They?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
do?
They do a lot of IPAs.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, so Well.
Congratulations, isn't he thescandalous one?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Who.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Urban Meyer.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
There's a bunch of scandalous ones.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's true.
So, we got to go back and just,we don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
We're not accusing Urban Meyer of being scandalous.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, but we will say look at that girl, so scandalous
.
Right, we will.
That was a joke If you arefamiliar with the famous 1990s
song by Cisco.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yes, not the food service provider.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
and not Crisco.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
All right.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
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We've been doing good.
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So no, I think what we've beentrying to get to is it's wet.
It has been raining all day.
I mean all day, I mean.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Every day.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
All day though.
So like one thing, when I movedup here from South Louisiana,
I'm from South Louisiana, y'allwe're like.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Wait, you're from Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm from South Louisiana.
I went to college in NewOrleans.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Does it rain there?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
it does so.
In south louisiana we get rainthat literally starts in the
middle of the night and it endsin the middle of the night three
days later.
So like we are used to, jerry,you grew up in uh in that area,
you went to, you spent some timein uh in mississippi, had hatt,
you went to, you spent sometime in uh in Mississippi,

(07:06):
hattiesburg, and you spent sometime in Florida.
So you know, like it all day,like it just rains and doesn't
stop, it doesn't storm, it's notparticularly windy, it just
rains forever.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right, florida, you can pretty much set your clock
by the rain.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And so that's what I'm so used to.
And we moved up here and havey'all noticed like Ohio is very
much a storm place?
Oh yeah.
Like we don't get long basicrain.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
We get real quick microburst of storm and an hour
later it's gone.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, and then you continue with your life, or
sometimes 10 minutes later it'sgone, yeah, and then you
continue with your life.
Or sometimes 10 minutes laterit's gone.
Yeah, it can't blow throughquickly, it blows through fast.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, it can be circular.
Sometimes those aren't good,but it's just real quick.
This is absurd.
It just doesn't do this.
It just feels like SouthLouisiana all of a sudden, where
it's just like constant rain.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and not even bands.
No well, if you, did you everlook at the radar today and how
much it went up into, likeCanada, and it just was this big
ugly and it just kept swirling?
Yesterday's storm system thatwe had, which was the brief
storms that you were talkingabout, was traveling east,

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southeast to northwest, whichour storms don't typically
normally go that way.
But that's the way yesterday'slittle, like you said,
microbursts were traveling andthen today I see that whatever's
lingering on us just kind ofcame down from Canada, scooped
down to maybe Louisville andthen just circled back around,

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went right back up to Canada andcame right back down on us.
I'm like, well, that's just aweird airflow, we got going on.
It just kept it over us all day.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I saw there's two competing storms in the area and
it's created a stagnant front.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And because of that it's just—.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Holding the rain here .
Holding the rain here.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
By competing storm you mean the other one was in,
like the Arizona area.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, these are huge systems and it
looks like the country haseyeballs.
It's crazy.
Yes, it does.
So the last time I remembersomething like this happening
and it being particularlyimpactful, I was still down in
Louisiana, or we were still downin Louisiana, I should say, and
hadn't moved to Ohio yet it wasso much rain it flooded a good

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chunk of Baton Rouge, theFlorida parishes, as we call
them, which is your parishes,parishes of county in Louisiana.
We call them parishes becauseyou know the church and all.
But if you ever take I-12through Louisiana, i-12 is built
exclusively on the floridaparishes.
So a little geography for you,real quick.
A little history.

(09:50):
That section of louisiana usedto actually be a part of florida
.
Oh so when?
Uh, this, when we bought theflorida from the spanish, we got
that.
And then, uh, new orleans andeverything east, not everything,
but a good chunk of Louisianawest of the Mississippi River
was part of the LouisianaPurchase.
When you go with those topsections of North New Orleans, I

(10:16):
don't know, north of LakePontchartrain in New Orleans,
that was all part of Florida,obviously.
So was that Mobile, alabama andBiloxi, and all that stuff was
all Florida back in the ofFlorida.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Obviously, so was that Mobile.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Alabama and Biloxi and all that stuff was all
Florida back in the day.
I'm talking like 200 years ago,back when Jerry was a young man
.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
If you're paying attention, you'll still see a
sign on I-10 saying somethingabout the Florida Republic.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yep, I think that's I-12.
That section of interstate isthe Florida Republic.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
That I think that's I-12.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
That section of interstate is the Florida
Republic.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
That's interesting, so it's something to look for if
you're ever on 10 and 12.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
And just find some food, because that section right
there is littered with really,really good establishments.
And here's a good hint Ifyou've heard of it before, don't
go there, just go somewhereyou've never heard of.
If you see an old, worn-out,tired-looking beat-to-hell
building that's named Gabe's,give it a shot.

(11:13):
It's really good, get the gumbo.
Yeah, so down there we had twostorms, came head-to-head and it
flooded a ton of that area andthey ended up blaming I think a
lot of it, eric, if I'm notmistaken, on the interstate
right Like they built a brandnew interstate and put up a
giant solid median wall what doyou call that?

(11:37):
Like a divider down the middle.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
But the wall is like six foot tall.
It's a huge thing, and theydidn't put enough drain holes
through it, and so it basicallyacted like a dam and dammed up
all that water, completelyseparated north I-12 from south
I-12.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Any rain in the north couldn't flow through towards
the gulf, so it flooded theentire area.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, what happened is all those drainage ditches
and little canals filled up, andonce they filled up, then they
hit against that artificial damthat they essentially built
Trying to send flood waterthrough a funnel.
Yeah, just couldn't get enoughout of there.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was crazy because my parents' neighborhood it was
like 92% of their neighborhoodflooded and they were on the 8%
that didn't.
But my dad was actually youknow, you see, like in a
flooding situation you canactually see where the hills and
valleys of a flat neighborhoodare, because that area of
Louisiana is flat.
It is flat, flat In his littlearea, his little corner of the

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street.
You could see where theembankment was, so to speak.
But I mean, we're talking twoinches, like just enough right.
And uh, he was on an island.
He was stranded there forseveral days until the water
subsided.
So, uh, we got my sister and mymom got out early enough that
that wasn't a problem for them,but he was stuck and we couldn't
get to my grandparents either.
Like they were stuck, so it wasthe craziest thing I've ever

(13:11):
seen.
Like that area of Louisiana,you would think floods all the
time, but it's not.
None of those places are floodzones.
None of them are.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Just got to get the right weather system going.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep, and it's those two fronts that come up against
each other, which is what we'regoing through right now.
So we keep an eye on the riverhere in Ohio, because, you never
know, it just flooded too.
That's what's crazy.
How's your neighborhood holdingup?
Is it any deep water or is itno?
No deep water.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Green lush grass no, green grass We've had a pair of
geese and A couple of ducks.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Are they a pair?
Have you seen both?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I thought we saw both the other day.
I know I've seen both male andfemale.
I thought we saw both the maleand female the other day.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I only saw the female with the geese, like she was
lost.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I saw my first family of babies this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Little baby geese.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
That was so cute, but damn you.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, I think ours are lost.
We've been there three yearsand we've never seen large fowl.
No ducks, no geese.
They were in the cul-de-saclaying down Huh, right.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
So they think they're on a river or something.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I'm not sure what they're thinking out there.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
I think they just didn't want traffic to go
through, Probably Like I had toyell out the window to not move.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
That didn't work out.
On sawmill, I saw a nice Justhang it.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh yeah, One took their own hands, wings, wings
into their life.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
But that is annoying.
They do not.
They are the most disrespectfulbirds.
These geese, these Canadiangeese and I'm not trying to get
geopolitical, I'm just sayingwhat they are.
They will just walk across theroad like they own it, yes, and
they will bring a four lane witha suicide lane road to a dead

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stop With their entourage, withtheir entourage of babies.
It's never two of them, it'salways like a school, like
they're on a field trip.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm amazed there's not more carcasses of geese
around.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Honestly, which begs to differ.
Where do these geese die?
Where do geese go to die?
Canada?

Speaker 6 (15:30):
They go back home.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
They go back to Canada for the health care.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Anyways, we had deer in the backyard today.
I noticed that I was on thephone a little earlier and I was
walking around the house.
I do that when I talk, I talkand walk, and I looked walking
around the house.
I do that when I talk, I talkand walk, and I looked at my
back Exactly Pace Picante.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
So do you walkie-talkie?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I do walkie-talkie.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
And.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I was looking in the backyard just sad because the
rain I mean like I guess we needit, but sad and I just saw like
two little deer Actually, nottwo little deer- One little deer
, one little deer, one big deer,just like cuddled up together
in the in the grass and I waslike, oh well, look at that.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Then I finished my conversation.
Um, you should have the oneshere.
I guess we have a few monthsleft before they start birthing,
but yes I'd say for the lastthree, four years you've had a
consistent mama and they were inthat same having babies down in
the thicket of things down bythe river.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
We run a maternity ward for deer.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Last year was two, two babies.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It'd be nice if we could hunt right, Because we
could get some killer smokedvenison going on.
Make some jerky.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Compared to Oregon, they're so tiny here so I don't
really look at them as meat.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh, but I thought smaller meant that they would be
more tender.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yours are eating green grass.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
They are eating green grass.
That's true, except for thatcorn that Vince puts down every
year.
So anyways, it's beeninteresting.
It is nice how green everythingturned all of a sudden.
Today I was driving throughDublin and Hilliard and I was
just adm.
No, so it's been interesting.
It is nice how green everythingturned all of a sudden.
Yes, today I was drivingthrough Dublin and Hilliard and
I was just admiring like, oh,it's green again.

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That just, it's so nice.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I think when the rain comes, everything's more
vibrant.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I can see that.
Yeah, it like puts a littlepolish on it.
Yeah, like your car doesn'tlook faded, it's like oh look,
it's nice.
It looks clean until it driesthis is what it would look like
if we waxed it that kind ofthing.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I drove up to Medina today.
I saw a deer along the side ofthe road and it was very green
and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
When you saw him on the side of the road, were you
like, stay there, stay there,stay there, stay there.
I was?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
yes, I was.
They were also behind someK-Rolls construction zone.
Oh yeah, they're behind theK-Roll and I'm like you just
want to jump that thing, don'tyou, oh, so badly you just want
to jump that thing, don't you doit.
You just stay right where youare.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Do you find that your deer spotting abilities have
greatly increased since you'vebeen a driver?

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Mine certainly have, because I never saw deer when I
was growing up in the city.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
They're not sure they have deer there.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
They don't.
Yeah, what about you, Jerry.
You grew up in the country.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
I was going to say, especially the night driver
looking for little white dots inthe night.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yep, I was about to say that I'm sure Don can spot
them way better than I can.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
I grew up in the country, so we saw them all the
time I did too, so.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I guess it's like down in south Louisiana.
We're driving through thoseparts I can spot alligators and
most people are like what?
And it's like all right, let mestop and pull over and look
there and they're like, oh mygosh, it's an alligator.
It is funny when you talk topeople when they go down south.
They're like we were inLouisiana.
We never saw any alligators andI'm like they were there.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Because you just see two little eyes and maybe a
snout.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Growing up in South LA we spotted different things.
People were like really.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yep, you were like, see that over there, heroin
needle.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Don't touch it.
Well, what's that?
That's a crack pipe.
What's that holding it?
Well, we don't talk about that.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh, man.
Well, let's get to work, let'sget to business, let's get this
show going on the road.
Vince, we've got some excitingnews coming along that.
I am scared and excited aboutand terrified and thrilled about
.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I'm scared it's going to cause all kinds of problems.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And you know what it affects me, because when I get
back I've got to do thisimmediately.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
So, starting on June 23rd, certified medical
examiners will be required tosubmit all commercial vehicle
driver medical exam resultsdirectly to the FMCSA and state
driver's licensing agenciesthrough the National Registry of
Certified Medical Examiners.
The results of the exams mustbe submitted by midnight of the

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calendar day following the exam,per the rule.
So what this means in theory isthat when you go get a medical
exam and you finish the examwhether you pass or fail the
medical examiner will submitthat electronically to the FMCSA
and your state driver's licenseagency, whether it's the BMV

(20:17):
here in Ohio or the DMV inCalifornia or whatever they call
it in the state you live in OMV, omv.
There you go Somewhere.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's the state Never mind I forget State licensing
department or something.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
No, it's like the county clerk, but not the county
clerk.
What do they call it?
Oh, it's division in everystate, but they don't handle
that stuff.
But in this state they do.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
County assessor.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Anyway, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
We were OMV in Louisiana.
Yeah, we were DMV in California.
We're BMV in Ohio.
Yep, jerry, anything unusual?

Speaker 5 (20:54):
DMV.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
DMV.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
The Bureau, the Office, the Department.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, heather, you had.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
I'm pretty sure it was DMV.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Okay, all right.
Well, we settled that.
Here's my concern with that.
So what that means is thatthey'll submit it electronically
, and the driver will then nothave to go to their state office
, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
To self-certify.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
To self-certify.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes, jerry.
I had a question.
Can you clarify is this justthe certificate or is this the
long form?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I believe, it's everything.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's everything.
How are they getting aroundHIPAA?
Well, so, because you have to,because then I guess they're
saying the CDL person wouldgenerally have to bring that to
the state anyways, right.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
No, the long form is never turned in because of HIPAA
.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
It may not be the long form, it may not be, it may
not be Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
So you get a copy.
It says medical exam results.
Yep, so just the certificate.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, it looks like it is just a certificate, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
So certificates go on to FMCSA and your local
Department of Motor Vehicles andwhy are you concerned?

Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's the medical examiner certification
integration rules, so I think itis just the certificate yep
okay so the fmcsa is suggestingyou continue to carry your paper
certificate up until the june23rd deadline and then also
beyond that.
That's where my concern is iswhat happens if things don't go
quite right and you don't haveit.

(22:24):
I would suggest even callingyour state driver's license
association administration,whatever they call it here and
make sure that they've receivedit, so you're not temporarily
disqualified by your carrier fornot having that on file.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
My concern was exactly what you're saying.
I will be gone the first fewdays of June and my medical card
because I have a CDL is due, Ithink, june 6th.
I want to say it is Okay.
So when I come back I'm goingto immediately go get my medical
card done.
Then I'm going to bring itstraight to the Department of

(23:04):
nope the.
Bureau of.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Motor Vehicles here in.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Ohio and I will give it to them pay the $5 fee
because I'm doing it right thenand there and it will be updated
in that system immediately.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
And we have that luxury right.
Since we're local here, we'renot over the road we can go
straight to the B&B and get ittaken care of.
Yes, they charge you $5 doingit in person versus emailing it,
where it's free.
But if you email it it can take14 days.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yes, exactly, so I'll be good to go basically,
immediately.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
But I am wondering with this system, is that going
away?
So will you be able to takeyour medical card that you just
got and bring it to the state,or no, you're subject to that 14
days.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
That's a very good question.
So a paragraph further downsays according to the FMCSA
website, states includingMaryland, minnesota, utah and
Texas have already startedimplementing the new rule.
From March 23rd to June 23rd,texas will accept both paper
medical certificates andelectronic submissions through
the National Registry.
After June 23rd, texas willonly accept medical certificates

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submitted electronicallythrough the National Registry.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
They don't want you in their offices clogging up
space.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Or they're trying to get rid of fraud.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Plus they make appointments.
Texas is an appointment only.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
They are.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
So that could cut down on quick five-minuters.
If it's a force, Somebody elsehas to do it.
That makes sense.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, it seems like if it's going electronically
this way too, then it should beupdated automatically
immediately as well, or at least24 hours out of 14 days.
There isn't any comment here ornote here.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
It says it has to be done by midnight, the day that
you have it done.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
The next business day .

Speaker 6 (24:50):
By the next business day.
Okay, so that would be.
The only thing is, if thefacility doesn't do their part,
that that could slow that down alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, I think they get in trouble if they don't.
But that means that I show upat 8 am at my office.
I get my physical done.
9 am.
I'm done.
I got my paper copy to keep inmy wallet.
I'm good to go.
It could be midnight the nextday before they actually process
it.
So they have 30, 40, 38 hours,36 hours.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
If you get your test on a Friday, the next business
day is until Monday.
So they've got until midnightMonday to submit it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Sure, but even if you email it.
It's going to be that long yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
For those of us that aren't, yeah, because the DMV is
not open until Monday anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
So here's a couple of things as a recruiter in
dealing with the carriers thatwe have.
It is quicker if you go in anddo your self-certification with
your DOT physical.
It makes the process of gettingapproved by a carrier at least
the two carriers that we dobusiness with go quicker, as
opposed to emailing it orsubmitting it through an email

(26:07):
of some sort per your DMV'sinstructions.
So I am curious as well howimmediate is it in our 48 states
uploading DMV process?
My other question is can youtake your own certificate down
and will the DMV still permitthat?

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well, Texas, they won't.
Okay.
I want to correct something Ijust said Results of the exams
must be submitted by midnight ofthe calendar day following, not
business day.
So if you do it on a Friday, ithas to be submitted by midnight
Saturday.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Okay.
And then secondly, make sureyou get all your paperwork from
your DOT physical, becausesometimes carriers ask you to
send in the long form, which isall five pages sorry pages plus
their certificate, so that's sixtotal.
So do be sure, as you'releaving a clinic, that you're
collecting all of your paperworkand not just relying on them to

(27:01):
take it wherever.
Again, you still need it onyour person for a DOT inspection
.
But I'm curious To check onyour status too.
There's a lot of the DMVs.
You can create a portal or yourown account and you can go in
and check on it.
So if you're ever curiousprobably be quicker than waiting
on a phone line or going andstanding in line is to create a

(27:23):
portal on your DMmv's website soso a couple things I'm curious
about.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, one, you said the self-certify.
So in louisiana, and I believein ohio as well, when you turn
your medical card in, you alsoturn in a separate sheet of
paper that says are youinterstate, interstate exempt or
non-exempt?
And those are your four choices.
So you have to fill it outright.
Are they doing that at the DMVnow?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean at the medical place.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Good question or do you still have to go in?
And self-certify what you are.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
And then if they do say no, they're going to do that
.
At the medical we have hadseveral teams over the years
incorrectly not understand whatthey're saying or what they're
asking for.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
They're so confusing.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And so they put it in wrong and then it has to be
corrected Again.
It's a quick go to the.
It may not be quick, but it'sgo to the DMV.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Especially if you're OTR.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, but a lot of times it is go to the DMV, sit
there for a couple hours, get itdone and leave, and it's done
pretty immediately.
Is there a way to fix that now,or are you going to have to go
to another clinic and getanother DOT inspection done On?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
your body.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, what's it called Medical done?
Are you going to have to golike, is there a process?
With the state where you can ohno, I told the wrong thing, or
what.
There's a lot of questionsabout that kind of stuff.
How's that going to work?
I can see it going sideways.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I can see some positives, though, too.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Sure, if it is so.
Right now, when you email, faxor mail your medical card in,
they take it, and then they itliterally has to go to a person
who has to then enter all thatinformation in.
If it's going into a portal,then it can be set up where it

(29:18):
instantly fills out all theinformation and then gets done
immediately.
So if it's something like that,that'll be great, right, but if
it's just really just beingscanned in the system and then
it's still waiting on someone onthe back end to manually input
it, that would suck.
I can't imagine that's whatthey're doing, though, can you,
jerry?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
No, I wouldn't think so.
If you're building somethingfrom the ground up, it's just
like the CARB, I mean, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
OTR services.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
They do the carb test and it's immediately submitted
to California.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
But to one entity.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
But it's to the entire state.
But when?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I did mine.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
All I had to do was go to a website that the DOT has
set up through the state.
So I didn't send an email, Ididn't scan it.
They gave me instructions.
You upload PDF to their systemand when I called three, four
days later, they're like no,it's here, it's updated.

(30:11):
We just got to push the buttonthat says yes, we got it.
So I guess it's not updated,but they got it and all they had
to do is push a button.
They didn't have to actuallyput it into the system, it was
just in the system.
They had to acknowledge theyreceived it.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So when Eric and I back in 1487, when we did our
medical cards years ago, if youcouldn't email it to Louisiana,
you could fax it to Louisiana oryou could hard copy it, send it
to Louisiana.
So we did a hard copy with theself-cert forms, sent it in a

(30:49):
couple weeks ahead of time andso we knew it would be good, or
whatever.
In Louisiana you can easilypull up your medical card
history Anybody can, as long asyou have your license.
So I pulled it up.
I was good.
Eric wasn't.
All right, that's fine, we'lljust wait.
I'm sure Eric will clear up anyday now.
Never did.
They were in the same envelope.
Never.
They never processed Eric's.

(31:10):
So we got put out of servicefrom our carrier because they
knew that that's when hisexpired.
So they logged online andpulled it and it never was
updated.
So they put him out of service.
We had to get a medical card.
Oh, he had a copy of themedical card, so we just had to
send it out real quick.
And Louisiana said if you faxit to us, we still take seven

(31:38):
days because it goes through acompany that then actually looks
at it, scans it and sends it tous If you want it to be
immediate, you can overnight itto us and as soon as we get it
the lady even said call me atthis number and we will take
care of it.
We were in California so it wasreally inconvenient.
So we went to a UPS store,overnighted it to Louisiana and

(32:00):
then called the next morning andgot this lady who then entered
it in manually and got itprocessed quickly.
But that was expensive.
That added on another like $75,$80 to our medical card thing,
and again they were in the sameenvelope Somebody probably
didn't realize it Back toself-cert.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I'm looking at the Texas Department of Public
Safety.
They have a kind of FAQ andthey're saying this applies to
all CMV drivers requiringmedical certification for
interstate commerce, includingthose holding or applying for
cdls or clps permits, as well asthose operating under
applicable state variances forintrastate operations.
So somehow they're getting thatself-cert as part of this, okay

(32:41):
, I believe.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
I believe I did like you said.
You have to choose if you'reinterstate or interest.
Whatever, I did that when Irenewed my CDL it didn't have
anything to do with my medicalcard.
And then once they had theupdated medical card, like I
already had a valid medical cardon file, so they just said
everything was good when I didmy renewal of my driver's

(33:04):
license.
They didn't ask for any of thatwhen I sent him my medical card
.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think it's tied to your license, not your DOT
physical.
My question which, going backto Jerry's okay, the carb
testing that OTR Services isdoing, it just uploads and it
goes to California, but it'sgoing to one entity Like yes,
multiple people are doing it,but it's going to one entity,
like yes, multiple people aredoing it, but it's going to one
entity.
My question is is if you livein Texas but you do your DOT

(33:30):
physical in Ohio, does Ohio haveyour DMV's information?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
It's not going to your DMV, it's going to a
federal registry.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
And then the federal registry takes it to the DMV.
I think the DMV actually goesto the registry, pulls it from
the registry Yep.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
So how do?
They know you have a new oneBecause when they pull the
registry for new ones that arein Texas, it pulls down the ones
from Texas.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, your medical card has your CDL information on
it.
Yeah, so when they go, to theNational Registry.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Somewhere in the brains of a computer system.
It goes these are all the Texaspeople.
We're putting them in a queueand then in the morning the
Texas DMV logs in and pulls allthose people from across all 48
states.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
That's probably a very simplistic way of saying it
, but yes, they're probably noteven pulling it.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They're probably going online looking, validating
it's there and updating theinformation, but there's no
reason for them to move thatdata, that actual PDF
certificate, to their database.
Sure, they can just leave it inthe federal one.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
I get it.
As long as they know it's there, I get it.
It's probably the search thing,like what you do.
You just put in like yourfilters.
Okay, I need state of Texas orwherever.
Yeah, For the month of may yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
So my question on the the dmv side is are they
getting a list of people whosemed cards expired?
No and then they go on and theylook for them.
So they're getting notifiedsomehow that someone from their
state.
Oh, that's my question.
So how is their state gettingnotified?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
is, the registry gets everything that's loaded into
it and the state of Texas pullsthe registry for new Texas
MedCards and they go in andthose MedCards have driver's
license numbers attached to themand when the state says, oh,
this driver's license number hasbeen updated, they mark it as
updated and they go through andmark everything that's new as

(35:23):
updated license number.
It's been updated.
They mark it as updated.
They go through and markeverything that's new as updated
and when yours pops up on theirsystem as expired, so does your
cdl.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Yes, I think it's actually deleting a step,
because I think right now it'sgoing to the states and then the
states are putting it in thesystem so that it can be seen by
anybody in the us, and now it'sjust going to be able to be
seen by anybody in the US.
It doesn't have to go to thestate first to get it put into
the database.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Got it.
I think there's going to be alot of confusion.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
I don't think there will be.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I hope it goes smoothly.
I think there are states thatare doing it already.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I don't think there will be, but I think there could
be some issues.
Sure, a number gets enteredincorrectly, sure.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
The 14-day wait.
That would be my biggest thing.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
Not only that the state doesn't comply.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Was that a record?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
It sounded like it.
Sorry, we got DJ DJ.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I was trying to do a trick but it's not working.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I was thinking who's the?
But it's not working.
I was thinking who's the?
Is it Jazzy Jeff, the FreshPrince of Bel-Air?

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Yeah, my apologies on that oh sorry for going old
school Jerry.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Sorry, I thought I was being quiet over here.
They even held my eye, so itdidn't cling.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So I do, what about states that you?
What about states that justaren't compliant yet, like, if
you remember?
So the Real ID just became,like June 7th Required.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Right May 7th, may 7th, sorry, so it just became
required.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So if you're, by the time you're listening to this,
it just became required.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
It's come and gone?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, it just came and gone.
So Real ID, they've beentalking about it for like.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Years, years.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
And I remember Louisiana being one of the
states because I was livingthere back then where they said
like we don't have thattechnology yet, so you might
want to consider a passport orsomething when that time comes,
because we don't have thetechnology for the Real ID.
Sure and it was like, oh no,what are you going to do?
Then they rolled it out andsaid if you have a non-CDL,

(37:32):
you're just a regular licenseholder, you can get Real ID, but
if you're a CDL holder youcan't.
It was such a slow rollout ofReal ID and now pretty much
everybody has it and it's.
You can get one with or without.
But what if you have statesthat aren't compliant with this
yet?
I'm curious if we're going tosee this come and go and certain

(37:54):
states are going to say, hey,you still have to send us a
paper copy because we're not onthat system yet.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I would not be surprised, because this new rule
was adopted in 2015.
The compliance date wasinitially set for June 22nd of
2018.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
And here we are seven years later.
I'm sorry.
It was then pushed to 2021 andnow we're at 2025.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
They're ready.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
They think they're ready.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
Gene, you would think the DOT could help these places
get the technology to be ableto do it.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, that's not always easy.
There are some states out therethat want to do things their
way and they don't like thefederal government interfering
with what they do.
So I do get there's aphilosophy.
I'm not saying I agree ordisagree, I'm just saying I
understand there's philosophiesthat don't necessarily allow for
that.
I think when you look at DMVwebsites and stuff like Ohio, I

(38:52):
have become madly in love withOhio's Bureau of Motor Vehicle
Investigations online becauseyou can do so much.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, you can it is.
They're a porthole.
Yeah, you can it is, and it'stied to other agencies.
Yes, like your tax agency andthis.
And that.
It's all tied into this oneOhio portal.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yes, and for those of us that are in business here,
the way it integrates withFortman's Comp, the way it
integrates with just a bunch ofdifferent stuff, it's a thing of
beauty.
It's 1997.
Graphics Secretary of State?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yes, it is Secretary of State.
That's what I was trying tothink of earlier.
Oh yes, dmvs and things, theOhio Secretary of State website.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, piece de resistance, but again the
graphics 1997.
Yeah, reminds me of Windows,not XP.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Older Almost Oregon, tre-less yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's really old.
It's better than.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
DOS Is it easy to navigate?
Yes, can you understand it atfirst looking at it?
Then who cares?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Then that's all that matters, it's easy, it's clean,
it's not very nice looking, butit's better than C colon
backslash OregonTrailexe.
It wasn't exe, was it?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
It was exe.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
So it's not that.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
No, but it's a little archaic, but again, you can do
your car registry and your titlerenewal and your own DMV change
of license or registration.
You can do employment stuff.
Maybe you were unemployed andwanted to look for employment.
You can do employment stuff.
Maybe you were unemployed andwanted to look for employment.
You could do your taxes.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
They have a great job search engine on there.
Again, it's integrated.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Anyway, that's what Ohio has.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
So if you're looking, for a great government website.
Move to Ohio and you can useours If you're looking for a
pretty one.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Louisiana's website's beautiful.
It's useless but it's beautiful.
They got the picture of theCapitol building the Florida Lee
.
They got the pelican for theflag.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
The current administration's picture.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yes, Louisiana's website's the opposite it's
gorgeous.
It is completely non-functional, but it is gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
The banner says Les Lillet Montaurou.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I have a question about this.
As a CDL holder, and for thoseof us that may be getting this
done in the next six months,nine months, are you going to be
checking on your statusyourself, because I can see a
lot of people just kind of doingit and now they don't have to
take all these extra steps.
For me, I would be a littlecautious and just want to make
sure things are.
This is the way I roll, though.

(41:27):
I would want to make sure, andI know we all do it differently,
but do we just let it be andit's all going to work out.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
I think, ultimately, you go get your MedCard after
June 23rd and you just go towork and see if your carrier
calls you and says hey, where'syour med card?
No, let's not do that.
No, we shouldn't do it that way.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
There's some due diligence there, I think anyone
that's in trucking.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Once you get into it, if you are on the precipice,
you're like I'm about to go toCDL school or I'm in the middle
of CDL school, or whatever.
One thing you will quicklylearn is that we're a very, very
regulated industry.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And because of that there are lots of opportunities
for things to go wrong, and so Ithink the longer you're in it,
the more you try to be proactive.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
So, the longer you're in it, the more you have to
make sure your medical card.
Like I know, I just told y'allgetting my medical card a couple
days before it's due If I wasactively driving a truck as part
of my job it would already bedone, not in a million years.
But that's not a criticalfunction of my job If I have to

(42:35):
tell Chili hey, you know, thesethree days still waiting on my
medical card to come in, can'tdrive a truck today, still
waiting on my medical card,can't drive a truck today, not
the end of the world to come in.
Can't drive a truck today,still waiting my car can't drive
truck today, not the end of theworld.
Um and so it.
You know I'm gonna, I'm gonnahave that luxury, but if, but
back when I was driving a truckfor my, my income, absolutely.

(42:56):
Oh, two weeks before.
Every time we were like neverto the last minute, always way
ahead of time, because theydon't care.
I mean like, depending on yourstate, if you get that
sympathetic person on the phone,like we did with Eric and we
had a one-day delay and it costus $80, cool, like at least it

(43:16):
only cost us $80 in one day.
But if you don't get thatsympathetic person on the phone
and we've had this happen I canthink of several examples
especially in.
Texas because Texas has beenreally strict about it and we've
had this happen.
I can think of several examples, especially in Texas, because
Texas has been really strictabout it, where we've had a team
sit at home for a week and ahalf.
10 days waiting on a freakingperson to go click.
It works.
So I mean they don't care thatyou don't make any money like

(43:41):
zero income during that time.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
That's their responsibility.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Let's hope this makes it easier, right.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Let's hope it makes it a lot easier and a lot
quicker.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Absolutely.
I would still say you knowuntil we know what it really
does.
Follow up A and B go a coupleweeks early, always 14 days at a
minimum.
You know, a two-year CDL is nowa year and 11 months.
In my opinion, One year is nowgood for 11 months.
A six-month is now good forfive months, A three-month.

(44:09):
Please go take care of yourhealth.
That's more important thandriving a truck, but that's the
way I look at it.
So yeah, again, after you getburned a couple times, that
really sinks in.
But if you are new to theindustry, if you haven't gone
through the process yet, whenyou get your CDL immediately.
Well, before you get a CDL, youhave to have a medical card.

(44:32):
Yes, you do so.
If you're going to school onJuly 1st, by mid-June, have that
medical card.
Make sure you've at leastgotten that process started when
this rolls out.
I know we're still about amonth away or so when this rolls
out.
Please let us know as you startupgrading your medical cards or
experiencing this.
Let us know how it's going.

(44:53):
I'm curious if it's going to bea slick process or not.
My medical card I didn'trealize it.
I knew it was June.
I thought it was June 1st.
I didn't realize it was June23rd.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
So I'm actually going to do the old-fashioned thing.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I just did mine.
I'm going to go and get mine inpaper copy and go straight to
the DMV, so I will not actuallyget to experience this.
So we are very curious how itgoes for you all.
Let us know and leave yourcomments in the box.
We've had a lot of commentslately.
I'm loving it.
A lot of people are talkingvery much so about our next
topic and so we'll just rollright into that.

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But we appreciate your comments.
We love seeing what you have tosay about these different
things.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Do leave your comment .
Leave what state you're from,so we know what your comments
are about for your state.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Absolutely, if you can leave your CDL number, your
credit card number, your socialsecurity?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
No, I'm kidding.
Just what state, just whatstate.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
What state you maybe?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
had great luck in what state you have your CDL in?
Yes, not what state you didyour DOT physical in.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, we do recognize some people where you live and
where your CDL may not be thesame place or where you call
home.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I should say I guess we're wanting to track the DMV.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Absolutely, absolutely.
What that leads us into is whatwe talked about a couple weeks
ago, because what we talkedabout a couple weeks ago, trump
administration signed anexecutive order saying, well, I
guess Donald Trump signed nothis administration.
But he signed an executiveorder saying the federal
out-of-service criteria includeEnglish proficiency.
So you have to be able to speakEnglish to be a CDL holder in

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the United States.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
And if you cannot speak English, then are
proficient enough English, thenit used to be a.
It was an offense, but itwasn't an out of service.
It wasn't a service violation,so you could continue going on,
but your carrier would getdinged for it, right?
And he said make it an out ofservice.
So you put the truck down outof service, if that happens.

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Just a week or so ago, the CVSA, which are the inspection
people that's CommercialVehicles Safety Alliance Board
they are the ones that kind ofdictate what the FMCSA does
during a roadside inspectionthey did just vote to agree to

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this and are making Englishproficiency violations grounds
for truck drivers to be placedout of service.
It's not surprising.
You know, trump kind of saidhey, this needs to happen and I
want this executive order sayingwe'll do it.
And the Commercial VehicleSafety Administration came and
said you know what?
We actually agree with that andhave joined on as well.
So the new out of service rulewill become effective June 25th.
So if you don't speak Englishyou probably can't hear what I'm

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saying, but you have until June25th.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
And is it only speaking or is it speaking and
writing?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh, that's a good question.
I think it's speaking andreading.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I only asked because I think Arkansas was both,
wasn't it question?
I think it's speaking andreading.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I only asked because I think Arkansas was both,
wasn't it?
Yes, I believe it's.
I don't know if it's writing asmuch reading, so I don't think
they have to necessarily write,but I think they have to be able
to read.
So, if I can quote here, youcan't by adding English language
proficiency to theout-of-service criteria.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
A commercial motor vehicle inspector may place a
driver out of service if theycannot demonstrate proficiency
in reading and speaking English.
That's a quote from the CBSApress release.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
So reading that's right reading, because we want
you to be able to read signs.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
How are they testing this?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
We don't know they don't say that do they.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
So is it just the inspector's?

Speaker 6 (48:21):
choice.
I did see it.
So is it just the dadinspector's choice?
I?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
did see it.
No, I did see an article wherethey were talking about how
they're doing it in Arkansas,and there is a state official
criteria sheet of paper that hascertain things on it.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
So it's kind of a checklist, it's kind of a
checklist.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
If you can read that piece of paper, you're good to
go.
So I'm sure what's going tohappen is every cdl, uh school
and every uh motor carrier thatworks with uh non-english
speaking people are going tomake sure they can make sure
they can pass that.
Yeah, um, but which makes sense?
Again, we talked about thislast two weeks ago.

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Um, you got to be able to knowwhat the signs say speed limit
signs.
You know what a runway, uh,ramps, all that stuff.
There is a limited amount ofEnglish you need to know to be
able to safely function.
Now there's a higher standardthat you need to be at to

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comfortably navigate truck stopsand all the other stuff.
But that's not what they'relooking at.
They're looking at core safetyand they're saying this is your
bare minimums.
You need to be able to read.
So that's why they had thatpiece of paper there, and then
you have to be able to speak toan officer or someone else
that's helping with safety, andthat's the.
That's the minimum.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
That's the part I'm maybe not concerned about.
But is that just their judgmentas to how well they understand
the person?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's a good question yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Well, if there's a written test that the state does
, then you pass that test.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But there's oral.
There's no judgment, it's areading, so you have to be able
to read and speak.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Okay, and I'm worried about the different standards
for different states.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Sure, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Colorados have different signs that maybe
Nebraska won't.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I think you should know all of those.
Are you going?

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Yeah, but you're testing in each state their own
test at the station as you passthrough.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
it, like going to Massachusetts and they give you
Shakespeare to read and then youhave to explain what it said.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
If you're going to Louisiana, it's in Cajun.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You go to Louisiana it's in Cajun.
You go through Mississippi andthey're not really worried about
the reading part and you gothrough Mississippi and they're
not really worried about thereading part.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
So if you make this a federal thing and come up with
a federal, you need to be ableto do this to be all through the
48 states.
Heather, you've been to Canada.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Canada O'Canada In the.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
CMV yes.
So my question is were youworried about your?
I know it's French, but I'mgoing to say Canadian because I
don't know what their signs arewritten in.
Canadian because I don't knowwhat their signs are written in.
I've never been there myselfFrench, you had it right.
So are you worried about that?
With your first load, beforeyou go in, are you studying
their guide?
Are you like the shoe on theother foot here?

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Are you worried about that?
Going into Canada the four ofyou, because Vince and I did not
go to Canada.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I can say this on a couple different levels, so one
I want to say when we first,Eric and I, first went to Canada
, we went to Winnipeg, which isjust right in the middle of good
old fashioned.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
North of North Dakota .

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, they're just, they're just Midwesterners,
they're just.
Don't.
You know, you're so nice to seeyou, you know so they don't.
So that just felt like being inAmerica.
It just didn't.
There's nothing about that.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
That felt French at all, including their signage,
including their signage,everything so the first time,
same thing with Alberta.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yep the first time we went into.
Ontario, ontario.
That's when I was like nervousand I knew going into it.
I'm like these people speakFrench.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Only French, only French.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
And Ontario speaks English Not.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Ontario, quebec.
Quebec yeah sorry, I gotconfused too.
Quebec is Toronto.
I'm sorry, quebec is Montreal,ontario is Toronto.
Correct, I got a like andSaskatoon is Saskatchewan.
And Lincoln is Nebraska, soManitoba would be.

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Manitoba is Winnipeg right.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
That sounds right.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Isn't it?
Yeah, calgary is Alberta, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Now that we've done the capitals.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Thank you For those who do.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Canada Then there's some northern territories no one
cares about.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Okay, so when you're going into these, hold on, we
got Prince Edward Island.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
That's how it's easier to remember.
And then you got St John, okay.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
So you were going into the French cities the first
time we're going into Quebecand I knew it was a
French-speaking culture, andthen the signs and everything
were in French, everything fromspanish and french.
I was super nervous because,you know, I grew up in south
louisiana so I had to takefrench, but I don't remember any
of it.
So, going there I was supernervous.
For me, enough of the frenchthat I learned came back that I

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was able to slightly navigate.
I mean, y'all kind of saw thiswhen we went to uh cosmo, or
when we went to um argentinowith you, or we went to mexico
city.
Sure, like enough spanish startsto come back now chile has way
more spanish than I do, butenough spanish comes back that
I'm able to like work my wayaround.

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Same thing happened.
We went to quebec.
Like enough french came back,where I'm like, oh okay, I kind
of vaguely remember this I Iwould not be able to talk to an
officer in french, but theydon't require you to no, I'm
just asking so that didn't havethat pressure, sure, but um, but
I but enough.
It came back.

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So I am curious, uh, forsomeone like y'all that did not
go grow up in a french-speakingcommunity, how did y'all feel
about that?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I would say it's also a lot of their signs make sense
because they put pictures onthem.
They do when you go to a, whenyou pass a way station, it
literally has a truck sitting ona scale yeah, oh, that's funny
literally on the sign.
You you know it's a weighstation.
All of their signage has a lotof pictures that go with it.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That's very true.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
When we went you have GPS that still works.
You can match up what they'resaying the sign says to what it
looks like the sign says.
I think they have both Englishand French on a lot of the signs
where we went.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Ontario has a lot of French and English, like Toronto
is.
They're like close enough thatthey speak French, but it's not
really like the law of the land.
Quebec is the one where it'slike.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Yeah, oh, they think that they're French from the
French CanadiansCanadian side,and they don't have any
drastically different driving.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's very similar instruction.
You're not driving on the leftside of the road, like in
Britain or something Sure.
Yeah, now, the way that I andI'm curious, jerry, because I
know you're the only otherperson I know that's like this I
am curious because I did getexperience of just being lost,
of just I don't necessarily knowwhat to do Twice, once when I

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was in Italy and once when I wasin Portugal.
So both times I was also withJerry, who I was driving.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Not in a CMV.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Not in a CMV, thankfully, but the Italian
government doesn't recognize myCDL.
Actually, I'm not sure if I'mallowed to drive in Italy.
So, being in Italy and being inPortugal, portugal's all
Portuguese, italy's all Italianthere is no English subtitles,
it's just, this is what it is.
And in those two countries, Ifelt like I remember being with

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other people in the car, becauseboth times there were a lot of
us together and both times itwas like what do y'all think we
should do?
And, uh, I'd like to sit hereand tell you I was an amazing
driver and I figured it all outand it was great in In Italy.
I still don't know what thespeed limit sign meant.
Did you ever figure that out?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
No, no, I got so many tickets.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Oh my gosh, For the next like six months.
I would just randomly get aticket in the mail.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
What they looked like .

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Like so they had cameras, so they're circles with
numbers.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
They're circles with numbers and lines to them, but
then there's different colorsand sometimes they're on top of
each other and sometimes they'reside by side.
Oh, it's a Montana speed limitsign.
I have no.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
Similar and not similar to Germany.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, so some are minimums and some are maximums.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
And some are recommended.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
And some apply.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Certain hours of the day.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Certain hours of the day.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Montana has nighttime speeds for CMV.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It was a nightmare, did you?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
just stay 45 the whole time.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
No, but I take that experience and I go.
If I was a CDL holder in thiscountry and I was driving a
truck professionally here, Iwould have to take some Italian,
or I'd have to take somePortuguese to understand what to
do.
Give me the cheat sheet card.
Yes, some Italian, or it takessome Portuguese to understand
what to do.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Give me the cheat sheet card.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yes, because we were only going from major city to
major city.
We'd park and basically walkaround the entire cities, but
that's because those cities arewalkable and then we would, a
couple days later, get in thecar drive to another city park,
it be there for a few days orwhatever, and even then it was

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just so hard to navigate.
So I can imagine if you speakonly french or you speak only
spanish and you come here andyou speak nothing of english, it
would just be daunting surebecause, I, I experienced it,
and, jerry, you did the samething so the fmcsa or cvsa is
actually doing something to workon that.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
So in the same article there's a quote from the
CVSA saying the CVSA will alsosend a petition to the FMCSA
requesting that the agencyharmonize the commercial
driver's license Englishlanguage requirements in 49 CFR
Part 383, quote commercialdriver's license standards end
quote with those in 49 CFR Part391, quote qualifications of

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drivers and longer combinationof vehicle driver's instructions
end quote so that the standardsare consistent.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
So they're looking to make those standards consistent
across the board and not justsubjective.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Each individual state Right exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
CVSA gets a lot of heat right.
They are the people that putyou out of service.
They are the ones that give theinspectors the authority to do
all that stuff.
They are the reason why if youhave a tire that's a little low
on air pressure, or if you havea tire that is not quite to
tread depth, they will put youout of service.
That's them.
Like the roadside inspectionsthat you see are all cvsa

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roadside inspection blitzes, sothey get a lot of slack and a
lot of people don't like them,but I do genuinely feel like
they are.
I'm gonna say 100 but 98 outfor vehicle safety.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
That's all they care about I've always felt that it
doesn't feel like they'repushing an agenda.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
It just feels like we just want the roads safer and
they are pro-driver in the senseof like you're talking about.
We want consistency, Right.
We want to make sure people canhave a living here.
We just want you to do itsafely, Sure.
So I really appreciate thatthey are doing that and I did
not catch that in that article.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
I think, yeah, it's like anything like you're
talking about in differentstates.
We don't have falling rocksigns in Nebraska, but when I
saw one when I was drivingthrough California or Arizona, I
knew what it meant.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yes, but in America, like all of our waystation signs
are just labeled waystation.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
And you never know what to do.
When you pull into one, they'reall different and within the
same state they Waystation, andyou never know what to do when
you pull into one.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
They're all different , every state's different, and
within the same state they'reeven different.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
But you have to understand it's bypass when
flashing unless it's closed whenflashing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Louisiana.
Whenever in doubt, pull inLouisiana go in when we're not
flashing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
When in doubt, pull in or pull in, but the
transponder in your truck saysdon't pull in.
Even better, the transponder inyour truck says pull in.
The sign says don't pull in,we're closed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I pull in, or Anytime there's a conflict, I pull in,
or just pull in and pull up tothe scale and like, do you
slowly roll the car?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Do you come to a stop ?
Yes, I never know that.
And then what's the speed going?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
across Because some of them other trucks are going
quick, but I'm like I think it'sat five miles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
And I'm like watching my miles per hour gauge, you
don't want to

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
slam on that brake, because if they do, stop you on
the scale.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
You know you're going to sit there and rock.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
And then rolling, which window do you roll down?
Because some have the speakeron the left, some have the
speaker on the right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
I roll them both down , my headset came off, I roll
both windows down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
My headset came off every time.
As soon as I saw that, it cameoff immediately.
Mine always came off at theweigh station.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Mom, I'll call you back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yep, yep, turn the podcast off.
I've had people.
I didn't even know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
They yelled at you until I was driving for over a
year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I've had people that they'vebeen just chatty and I'm not
going to say they are fromGeorgia, and I've put them down,
gone through a weigh station.
And then once I got clear, putthe headset back on and they're
still talking.
They never knew.
I have no idea what they saidduring that time, but we all

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have those people right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
There was one in Washington weigh station and I'm
prepared and nothing, nothing,nothing.
And there's the exit, so I takeit.
It's literally maybe 200 feetof off and on and it's
dilapidated, just a littlebigger than an outhouse building
, and I'm like are you kiddingme?
This thing hasn't beenoperational in years, probably

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20 years.
They can't put a closed, theycan't take down the sign that
says wastage.
It was clearly a waste of mynight.
I still drove through and I hadto do it on the way back on the
other side.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Texas.
Texas has the little pull-offsand they'll just randomly show
up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, throw their sign out, Yep.
And they're like hey, we'retesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Oh man, no scales at all.
I got passed by one one time.
The guy pulls up has me stop.
He walks over there.
I see my mirrors.
Two guys go on, or two officersgo on either side.
They open up my fuel cap whileI'm talking to this officer.
They shine their light in there, they put the fuel cap back on,
they give the guy a thumbs upand then he's like all right,

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man, good to see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Or have safe drive or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Just checking to make sure you're not running
cultural fuel.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yes, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I never would have thought in a million years they
would actually check that.
But sure enough, they're makingsure they have no red dye in
there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
We made a crew.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
But it was very clear you have to get off here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
You have to stop here .

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
You got to wait for this.
They give the thumbs up.
You're good to go Go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Well.
So a lot of my long-distancedriving nowadays are in trucks
that are either going in forlike what we call heavy
maintenance, so like I'll bringa truck to AA Trucks in Fort
Worth.
That's a big like they do a lotof.
When I say heavy-duty retrofitI do mean like it's going to be

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down there for a month, it's aremodel.
It's a remodel or sometimes nota remodel, but it's just a.
It's a large scope of work andso it's going to be there for at
least a month, sometimes two,three months, um, and then I
will, which is fun becausesometimes I'll get pictures from
our drivers of like hey, Inoticed our trucks in here and
here's, here's what it lookslike, or whatever, um, but so
that typically mine it's over1,000 miles.

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So a lot of times when I'm doingthose runs we don't have
transponders in the trucks,because they're not running
freight.
There's no reason to have them.
It's not a tollway the wholeway down, so they don't have
transponders, or if they do,they don't work or they're not
assigned, or once the truck'sbeen sitting for so long, you
have to resubmit thatinformation, yada, yada.
So I typically don't havetransponders, so I'm typically

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dealing with way stations.
You're paying attention, and canI tell you how much it's like.
You drive past the way stationand the sign says like truck
cleared to bypass.
And then, like, when you'renext to it, it says truck must
pull in.
And you're like Changes thatfast?
Who's that for exactly?
I don't know if that's me orthe or the next person, or

(01:04:39):
whatever.
My favorite is uh, you'repulling up to a way station that
says closed and right beforeyou pass a sign it says open.
A hundred percent of those havebeen closed for me.
I don't know if that's properor not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
I saw a closed officer.
I saw a closed officer.
I will.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Now, if it's clearly open, I'm pulling in oh yeah, of
course, but if it flips rightas it's right here that's closed
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, or my favorite, I love this one too.
You ever see the big signswhere it's like truck's okay to
bypass it once the line's here,yes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Yes, california does that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
And then there'll be like five more trucks past it,
still in line, and then beingable to go past all those people
who are like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
So, like North Carolina, the way they do that
is they actually have sensors.
So whenever the trucks do hitthat, it'll automatically flip
the sign.
To close.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
California does that too, but there are those states
that have the sign do not blockinterstate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I hear you saying it's different in every state,
and even within states they'redifferent it's crazy, and some
of those wait stations don'tgive you a whole lot of
information a whole lot of a gapso we've had teams get in
trouble because they werepassing an 18-wheeler and saw

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the sign and then the exit'sright there and they couldn't
get over soon enough, and thecop did come and pull them over
and give them a ticket forbypassing a weigh station when
they weren't supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I got stopped in Arizona because I went through
the weigh station.
I had the green light goingthrough Arizona and Arizona does
the you have to remain in theright lane until you're
completely past the weighstation.
Yes, and I moved over to theleft lane Like I was past the
weigh station but not far enoughto where the markings were, and

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when I moved over too soon hecame out and got me.
Yeah, it was a warning, butstill.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Wow, that seems a little nitpicky.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I think it's because he explained it to me that
they're doing visual inspectionson the truck as you pass by,
Even though you're getting agreen light.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
they're sitting there looking at all these trucks
Still looking at you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And so he was still looking at me and just yeah,
yeah, and so he was stilllooking at me and just yeah,
yeah, it's a fun world out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
So if you're considering being a truck driver
, Always go in if you're unsure,always, always, always, and if
you're placarded yes, forgetabout what your sign says.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Always pull in, always, especially in Ohio,
especially in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Especially in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yep, pull in is not worth it.
You'd never get in trouble forpulling when you're not supposed
to.
No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
But the opposite can be true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I like the ones that have the lights above too, where
you have to go in and thenit'll give you the green arrow
to bypass.
Pick an arrow and then pick anarrow to go.
Here it feels like choose yourown adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I don't like the ones that wait to the last minute,
so you're like really up on thesteering wheel looking.
It's like okay, I'm going left.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I don't know that you and Eric were ever on the road
when the new one in Arizonaopened up the one right across
the border.
So literally you exit and yougo down, and you go down, and
you go down, I don't know half afreaking mile, and then you
make a right, and then you go up, and then you come back the
half mile and the half mile thisis all on their property too
and the half mile, and then youloop back around and maybe you

(01:07:57):
go a quarter of a mile and thenyou go across the way station
and you're

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
like how are you like , and it's got all this lovely
parking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
It's a brand new facility.
They opened it at least what Isit on 10?

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
It's on like 10, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I drove 40.
No, I didn't, I went up through.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Sneaky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Pete's what's it called?
You did, Bale didn't you SneakyPete's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
You went up 15.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You know the old Whiskey, pete's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
That's what it is Whiskey Pete's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Whiskey, pete's, that's what it is Whiskey.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Pete's and the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
They opened that one mid-time of our three years out
there.
And when they finally opened itbecause we did go out there an
awful lot and it's the first waystation across the state line
and I was like, are you kiddingme All?
You're going to do is just waveme through 20 minutes later and
you're finally going through,are you talking?

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
about the one with the Texas service roads going
from Vegas to LA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
No, but that one's, it's, a new one, it's like five
miles of service road.
Did we ever drive it?

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
I don't remember going in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I don't think we ever drove it.
We watched them build it.
It's the one that's out thereby the solar plants.
Oh yeah, going from Vegas to LA.
So if you're driving from Vegasto LA on 15, you know there's
those right on the border,there's these giant mirror
facilities.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
And they go up to a tower.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
And I don't know if you know or not, they are
literally melting salt.
Salt, yeah, salt, yeah, theyare salt, like you put on a
pasta or your french fries.
Whatever they are taking thatsalt, they're heating it so hot
that it melts, and that is whatthey are, uh, powering these

(01:09:47):
turbines and stuff with to runthese plants, I saw that did you
see the number of like birdsand stuff they've killed over
the years?
oh, you know, look, know, look.
I'm all for green energy butsometimes you give a swing and a
miss.
And that was a miss, but I sawthem build that.
It's funny, that environmentalthing next to seven miles of

(01:10:08):
unnecessary concrete.
And if you don't know,concrete's one of the biggest To
make concrete.
It's one of the biggest carbonemitters of anything we do as a
race.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
If you're going southwest, it's in Prim Nevada,
Right before the state line.
When you cross the line, youlook left, going towards LA.
There's three of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yes, and then there's this huge, huge weigh station
and then you go past that alittle bit and there's an
agricultural station and all thestuff to get into California.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
No, we watched them build that weigh station.
We never had to stop there,though I don't think they've
rebuilt the one and if you have,please let us know if you know
better, but I don't think theyrebuilt the one on.
Is it the Grapevine?
Yeah, the Grapevine's the onethat burned to the ground right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Oh, I don't know.
We've been through that one afew times.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
What interstate is Grapevine?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I-5.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
No, not Grapevine, I'm talking 15 or 40.
Comes into Ontario, 15 comesinto Ontario.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I-10 comes to Ontario also.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yes, but going north.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
It's 15.
It's 15.
There's a giant pass.
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
And there was a way station there and there was a
fire that happened several yearsago and burned the way station
down.
You remember this?
That was great.
I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Tell us how you really feel about way stations.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I always used to say from like Barstow, not really
Barstow.
So if you go to the 15, there'sa pilot and a couple of exits
down later is a Love's.
Is that Barstow?

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
That's Barstow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Okay, so from Barstow into LA any morning at between
like 5 and 8 am in the morning,that mountain pass is a Formula
1 racetrack.
Not anymore, not anymore, no.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
No, because you have everybody coming from Apple
Valley, Hesperia, Victorville,coming into Los Angeles.
Oh, it stopped, and that earlyin the morning because
everybody's coming and traveling.
So far it stopped, Do you not?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
remember racing down that mountain?
Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean I'd begoing around the legal limit
and I would get passed.
I was going still, it was sobusy.
Maybe it was earlier, maybe I'mjust missing.
Could be like 4 o'clock in themorning.
I'll give you 4.
Just trucks with their exhaustbrakes Like passing me.

(01:12:38):
Every morning it was like, ohmy, we did a lot of work back in
that area and it was like holycow.
Every time I went down thatroad it was always like this is
a Formula 1 track Just rightinto Los Angeles.
It's a beautiful drive too.
I love going down that.
Not once you get to Ontario itsucks, but going down that pass.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I think that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Cajon Pass.
Yeah, through Cajon Pass.
It's gorgeous.
I love the scenery.
It actually is a fun drive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
If you like driving.
It's very curvy, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
But yeah, I remember driving that many times being
like oh this is sketchy, but no,that's where the fire happened
and it burned the way station tothe ground.
I don't think it's reopened,but I am very curious if it is
Southbound or northboundSouthbound.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
I don't think there is one there southbound anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, there used to be, when Eric and I drove back
in the early 40s before the war.
I could be wrong.
The early 40s before the war Icould be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
The early 40s before the war.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
I don't remember seeing one anytime we went
through there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Jerry, you remember, don't you?
It was like a little tinybuilding and they pull you over.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
My memory's not that good, sorry.
I believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I do believe that I bet you can remember the way
station in North Carolina.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
Or South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Oh yeah, I lived there many, many, many, many
years.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
They're just all different, just beware.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
You know what we need to do.
We need to get an update on how40 is doing through that area.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
I heard recently that it is back open.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
It's one lane, but it's back open.
I did hear that it was one laneas well, but I am curious,
which direction?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
What do you take?
Turns no, it Direction.
What do you take?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
turns no One lane each side.
Oh, one lane each, like theygot one two-lane section and
then they just put K-Rolls downthe middle.
Got it yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I'm like, what are we doing?
The red light and you taketurns.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Oh, can you imagine?
No, that would be a nightmare.
At least you're still gettingtraffic through Local traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Local at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Well, no, I'm very curious what they end up doing,
because that's some interestingterrain.
It's going to end up beingsuper expensive when it's all
said and done, fixing all that.
But I think that's all the timewe have for this week.
It's been a lot of fun.
Stay tuned.
In a couple weeks we're goingto come back.
We are going to continue thehighfield saga.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I don't know what you call it history highfield
history.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
we're going to talk about detroit diesel and how
that factors into what we do,why we do what we do, and also
we're going to talk a little bitabout the history of that
company and how it relates tonot only the what we do now with
it and with freightlinerwestern star, but also some
competition and a little bit ofdays of our lives, of what
family used to be entangled withwhat family and no longer is.

(01:15:21):
Yeah, it's some good drama, sowe'll talk about that in a
couple weeks.
In the meantime, if you areinterested in contacting us and
seeing what it is we have tooffer, what we're doing, you can
feel free to reach out to us athighfiltrackingcom chat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And if you want to see us on the website, you can
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Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Highfieldtruckingcom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
And what can they do there?

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
You can chat with one of our recruiters.
You can get tons of informationon what we do over here at
Highfield the carriers we runwith.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
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back.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yep, you can check out pictures of these trucks.
We talk about how we have thesecustom sleeper trucks and
everything.
What does that really mean?
We've got a nice gallery there,ever-expanding gallery.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
There's a lot of information.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Some new features that are coming up soon.
If they're not already there, Idon't know.
It's a really cool website.
It's developing, it's growingalong with us.
It is much nicer looking thanthe Ohio State website.
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You literally just said it, theOuterbeltpodcast at gmailcom
Also known as theOuterbeltpodcast at gmailcom.

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Let us talk about what we'redoing.
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appreciate that, and thank youall so much for everything you
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Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
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Good night Till next time.

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