January 18, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Outer Belt.
I'm Patrick and you all know myfriends Chili.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Buttermilk Eric Zucchini bread.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And Jerry.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, and we're coming to you live, not live, it's sort
of live, we're live, we're livefrom the Outer Belt Studios in
Columbus, ohio.
I am so glad to be here today.
It's been a crazy, crazy fewweeks.
But first and foremost, we'vegot to talk about the breaking
news out of California.
The California Air ResourceBoard has suspended its
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regulations to phase out dieseltrucks and locomotives.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
They requested an EPA waiver on advanced clean fleets
, advanced clean fleets.
They have dropped that requestfrom the EPA.
So when they make this rule orruling it has to go to the EPA,
carb, california Air ResourceBoard.
They make a ruling that coversCalifornia, but the EPA, the
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Environmental Protection Agency,the federal government, has to
approve it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So just to back up a little history so CARB is
California's EPA.
Yes, exactly, it's an EPA thatjust does its state, just
California, and they are by farthe strictest of air standards.
Which makes sense.
If you look at an old 1970smovie based in California, Los
Angeles you can't see nothing.
(01:33):
There's no mountains back there, Nothing.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's just brown and nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
When you go to Los Angeles today you're like, wow,
wildfires.
No, our hearts are witheverybody there impacted.
But when you go to Los Angelesnow, it's actually quite clear.
It is quite clear.
It looks beautiful Blue skies,you've got all the mountains
around you.
You have smoggy days, butthey're few and not nearly as
frequent as it used to be.
I remember growing up as a kid,you couldn't see.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
From where I lived in South LA, you couldn't see the
Hollywood sign because of thehaze.
Every now and again wind blew.
You could see the Hollywoodsign and then, as I grew older,
realized wow, you can see theHollywood sign daily now because
of the emission standards thatcame into effect.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I've seen it every single time I've been to LA.
I've never even thought thatyou wouldn't be able to see it.
That's crazy.
Carb has done a lot of reallygood work in the state to get
emissions down.
A lot of the emissions that weall deal with today are because
of emission standards, arebecause of what CARB put out 30,
40 years ago.
(02:38):
Some have been great Like.
I think all of us are happypretty much that unleaded gas is
the norm and that we havecatalytic converters in our cars
.
It's a reliable piece oftechnology.
Every now and then you've gotto replace a cat which stinks,
but I mean most of them now aregood for 200,000, 300,000 miles,
so it's a reliable source ofemissions cleaning and they've
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made some good strides.
The current DEF SCR system ondiesel trucks is actually really
good.
It's really good.
It's fairly reliable Fairly,fairly reliable.
Actually, the system works fine.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The system works fine .
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's the sensors that cause problems, only the
sensors can be made better, butnobody wants to do that because
they got you on the hook to comeback and get new sensors?
Yeah, I get it, but nobodywants to do that because they
got you on the hook to come backand get new sensors.
Yeah, I get it.
Products designed to failthat's a whole new topic we
could discuss.
But anyways so emissions levelof all these big trucks and
everything's come down quite abit over the years and there's
been dramatic improvement in airquality going on for a long
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time.
Now and again California's kindof spearheaded this, but you do
see other major cities like NewYork City is also experiencing
quite a bit less haze because ofit.
They also help with emissionsfrom smokestacks, from
refineries, things like that,because California does have a
large refining presence as well.
(04:00):
I think they might be the secondlargest refiner or third,
they're big Like after Texas, Ithink I think they might be the
second largest refinery.
Or third, they're big Likeafter Texas, I think I think.
So they're not like an evilorganization, but we kind of
portray them that way.
We really do, because they tendto be very zealous and like we
want the future now and so overthe years I've seen quite a few
(04:23):
times where California willimplement a plan and industry
ready or not, we're doing it,we're doing it, here it is, here
it is, and sometimes, like withthe SCR system we have now, it
was kind of good, likeeverything's kind of worked out
pretty good.
But if we go one level past thisto the original DPF filters
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without the SCR component to it,which is selective catalytic
regeneration, Something likethat.
Something like that To justdiesel particulate filters.
That was a disaster.
Those engines were horrible.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Those years were terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, it was an EPA mandate, but it came because
California was doing it.
What has happened is Californiahas said by is it 2035?
Yes, I think, by 2035, you areno longer allowed to purchase a
diesel vehicle in the state ofCalifornia and operate there.
(05:21):
So the Advanced Clean Fleets Isit Advanced Clean Fleets?
Is that what it's called ACF,acf, alcohol Combustion and
Firearms?
I'm trying to find out?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Did they just jump Advanced?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Clean Fleets, advanced Clean Fleets.
So the Advanced Clean Fleetswas this idea that by 2035, I
believe it was 2035.
Is it not 20?
I think that's the date.
2035 would be the last yearthat they could sell
diesel-powered vehicles in thestate of California.
So 2036, no more.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Does that mean civilian pickup trucks or just
semi-trucks?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You know, I think it's just commercial vehicles.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I'm not positive.
It's very vague.
Again, this is kind of breakingnews.
Sure Well, that's not breakingnews, but what we're going to
talk about is breaking news.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So I don't have all my facts Sure.
I've got enough to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
We're just going to say commercial vehicles.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So they said 2036, no more sales of commercial
vehicles.
2035 will be the last year youcan do it and that would line up
with their ban, I believe, oncars.
Is cars not 2035?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
2035 is for vehicles, yes, so what?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
we're going to talk about doesn't affect that 2035
cars in California will still beelectric or hydrogen only.
You will not be able to buy agas-powered car in California
after 2035.
I know, but we're talking abouttrucks.
So what they did was they saidif you have a lot of trucks,
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we're going to call you ahigh-priority company and
starting in 2025, 2024, 2024 youwill have to start slowly
moving your trucks over toeither hydrogen or electric.
So starting in 2024, a largefleet I don't remember the exact
(07:22):
number, it it's not many trucksyou will have to start buying
electric or hydrogen only, soyou won't be able to add any
more diesel powered trucks intoyour fleet.
Now you can still run them, butyou can't buy them, and their
whole goal was, I think, by 2046or something like that, to be
completely phased out no dieselpowered vehicles in the state of
California period.
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So it's a very advantageousgoal.
In reality, when you look at thelifespan of a truck, 10 to 15
years is about the healthy,profitable.
Anything past that, you'rereally putting a lot of money in
repair and maintenance, so it'shard to keep those kind of
trucks running.
Now there's plenty of them outthere.
I know you're probably thinkinglike well, I know my Uncle Joe
(08:05):
has a 1984 International.
He still runs.
Yes, there's plenty of them outthere that still run, but large
fleets.
No one's running a truck overthat many years old.
So the 2046 date being, youknow, 10 years after the last
that you could buy the internalcombustion or internal diesel
engine, it makes sense, likethat time frame does make sense,
(08:26):
but it still seems very fast tothose of us in the business.
What they did was to be able todo that, they have to kind of
what Vince was alluding toearlier.
Kind of what Vince was alludingto earlier.
They have to send this to theEPA and say for our state, we
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want a waiver against your ruleso that we can enforce this
policy different than how youenforce it across the country.
And they got the waiver on thecars.
They did not get it yet on theAdvanced Clean Fleets Act.
And what they're talking about,or what they just did, that's
breaking news is they havewithdrawn that request.
They are no longer going topursue this Advanced Clean Fleet
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initiative for four years.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now that timing may sound a bit ambiguous.
It does sound that way, but ifyou dig deeper You'll find out
that they're actually doing itfor a very political purpose.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Very political.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They have looked at the previous Trump
administration and saw what theywill approve and won't approve.
They have sat down together andrealized there is no way this
gets approved under Trump's EPA,and so, rather than have it
declined because that's a wholeother world of if it gets
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declined and then they have toreapply for it they're just
withdrawing it.
They're going to sit on it forfour years until he's out of
office.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Wow, and then resubmit, and then resubmit, and
then resubmit and hope theyhave a more favorable
Speaker 3 (10:03):
administration.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Which, in all fairness, I'm sure they would
resubmit regardless who runs inthe next four years, because
Trump won't be eligible anymore.
So anything's an unknown, it isan unknown, whereas they feel
like with Trump, it's a known,is an unknown, it is an unknown,
whereas they feel like withTrump, it's a known.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
His previous administration, like you said,
already showed that hisadministration is not going to
allow it this time either.
That hasn't changed, right.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Correct, yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So in four years it depends on what that
administration looks like, basedon their track record as well,
whoever the president is andthen people that he appoints.
So, yeah, they may or may notin four years, depending on what
that administration looks likeyeah, it's really, it all can be
postponed.
It can all be.
It's all been postponed at thispoint and it really truly looks
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it.
That gives manufacturersadditional four years to develop
clean energy vehicles, zeroemissions vehicles that right
now are in limited supply in thecommercial vehicle market.
And then if you go into thelocomotives, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
They don't exist Right.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So it gives manufacturers a little more time
to work on that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And this is vehicles that are only being purchased.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
In the state of California, so you can still run
a diesel truck in Ish.
So if you are a high-priorityfleet, even outside of the state
of California, to run yourtruck in the state of California
you have to register with CARB,even though you're not
registering, or even thoughyou're not a California company
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because you're such a largefleet, they're saying that which
is part of the EPA waiver thingis it's kind of national but
not really well.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Um, so you also have to register any diesel engine,
not a vehicle necessarily.
You have to register thereefers that are on our trucks
have to be registered with carbso that's a new one and that's
actually related to this story.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So I've read conflicting articles and I'm
waiting to see which is correct.
I've read some articles thatsay that there is a thing called
a TRU electrification,something, something, something.
So basically what they'resaying is TRU temperature
regulated unit.
So refrigerated truck right, orrefrigerated trailer or
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refrigerated train car orwhatever.
They're saying that they wantthose all electric as well.
So that obviously affects us,since we run FedEx and we have a
bunch of reefer trucks outthere.
So for a lot of us, when theyfirst came out with this,
they're doing the same phased inapproach.
So starting this year or nextyear I don't remember which one
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it is we're supposed to, any newreefers we buy are supposed to
be electric and then we'resupposed to, every couple years,
rotate out 15% of our fleet andput electric on there.
Where it gets really fun isthat they don't exist.
And I don't mean likeproduction's down, I don't mean
like Supp down, I don't meanlike Supply chain issues Supply
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chain issues.
I mean like Thermo King andCarrier go we got nothing.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
They don't exist, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thermo King has a prototype out now and Carrier
just released a prototype.
None are big enough for thesize boxes we have.
Actually, that's not true.
Carrier's isn't big enough forthe size boxes we have.
Actually, that's not true.
Carriers isn't big enough forthe size box we have.
Thermo Kings is, but it won'trun off of a diesel-powered
truck.
It's only designed to run offan electric M2 and a Rivian or
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something like that truck, ornot a Rivian truck.
That'd be funny.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It would be a tiny truck.
That's a pickup truck, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It is?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
yeah, it might be a BYD truck maybe, or something
like that that it can run off of.
That's the only two models itcan run off of.
So all of it, and you thinkabout our business, with what we
do across country with theserefrigerator trucks, home and
pharmaceuticals and what haveyou.
So it's like, hey, well, whatabout we can just do smaller
trucks.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Well, think about all the Domino's locations in your
city in California.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Think about all the DiGiorno pizza trucks that
you've seen and all the likesmall local bakeries that run
these reefer trucks and stuff.
They're running 20, 22 footboxes, 24 foot boxes, like we
are, and there isn't a productthat exists.
It doesn't exist and even onthose levels, like a small
refrigerated truck, like a24-foot typical Ryder Rensome,
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that kind of size truck,refrigerator truck, is probably
around $160,000 right now.
To get an electric M2 with areefer on it, it's somewhere in
the neighborhood of like$550,000 right now.
To get an electric M2 with areefer on it, it's somewhere in
the neighborhood of like$550,000.
Easy money.
So it's dramatically moreexpensive.
Now that price will come downright.
When Tesla first came out theywere $100,000.
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It was an S when it first cameout like $108,000, something
like that $110,000?
They were up there yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
And I guarantee.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The s is still in that range, sure, but you have a
three is 36 000 40 000, 40 000,yeah, yeah, with everything on
it.
And if you want to go with a, aleaf, or if you want to go with
uh, what's the new one chevyjust put out?
I mean, those are even lower.
So, like we're seeing in cars,those prices are dropping fast,
even if you look at a hundredgrand for a tesla, one of the
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nicer teslas.
100 grand gets you a lightningford lightning which has the
same range and all the abilitiesof the cyber truck.
Plus you can also buy.
You know, a ford must Mustang aused one.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You still have money left over, you can buy a Hummer
for the same price as a Tesla.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That market is drastically coming down in price
.
It's going to happen the samewith trucks.
It just hasn't happened yetBecause this technology doesn't
exist.
There's a lot of us or there'ssome of us, I should say that
think this might just be theirway of stalling, because they
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know they jumped the gun toofast.
So, in other words, if itwasn't the Trump administration,
they would have found anotherreason to pause it or to stop it
or to give it a little break.
They have kind of shown theindustry their cards and what
they're about to do.
The industry is trying to catchup, but they realize, hey,
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there's not a solution here yet,but there's solutions coming,
but they're not here yet.
And so this is not the firsttime California's done this.
California has put stuff outthere before and pulled it back
after having it out there for alittle while.
They have a kind of a trackrecord of that.
So there's a lot of us thinking, hey, this is what California's
doing.
It is a scare tactic, and theyalso got a lot of people to do
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some of what they wanted to getdone, and for the rest of us,
california's going like allright, we understand you need
some more time.
Thermo King carrier need towork this stuff out because the
products don't exist.
And guess what If you can't getfood at home and I know there's
some exceptions for food andstuff that they were talking
(17:20):
about throwing out there um, butit's it's.
It's not easy stuff to get,just like when the dpf uh ruling
came through california.
You had to have a dpf filter tooperate in california.
They did give farmers anexemption and some
municipalities as well, butthose did eventually go away.
Yeah, I think I I do.
I lean in that camp of like.
I think this is just one ofCalifornia's ways of stalling
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and saying you know, hey, westill want to do this, but we
kind of recognize it's notpossible.
And so all the majormanufacturers realize, hey,
we've got four years to figuresome of this stuff out and get
electrically changed over.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So are they fining.
No, they changed over, so arethey fining?
At some point?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, they're not.
They're not fining, as a matterof fact, the TRU and the Clean
Fleets.
They did not get their waiverfrom the EPA signed yet.
So when it went to effect in2024, they came out and said
we're not going to enforce it,but we will do it retroactively.
So if you don't do itretroactively, we will come back
and get our money.
And then they went to court andthen they decided you know what
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we're not going toretroactively get our money, we
will wait.
So recently I think it wasSeptember or August they came
out and said hey, we're notgoing to do the retroactive
thing anymore.
Again, just within the last 24hours, they've come out and said
um, we're completelywithdrawing everything
altogether.
But that was the original thingwas finding if you're, if
you're in the state ofcalifornia, they just wouldn't
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let you register the truck,right, so you'd have a truck you
couldn't use it like crazy.
And what's really happenedthat's unfortunate is because
and they talk about it in thesearticles that we've read and
researched on to get thisinformation is they have gone
and, um, scared all these people.
So there's been a mad rush on2024 trucks.
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All these people have gone outin 2025 trucks and bought all
these trucks last year, thinkingall these big fleets thinking
it's gonna be our last year tobuy these diesel powered trucks.
So they've bought all thesetrucks in preparation for it,
losing money and all this stuff,only to find out now none of
that was necessary.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Since they've withdrawn that, they don't have
to.
That's not the case anymore.
So next year they can buy adiesel-powered truck in
California, no problem.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So how does it equate to Highfield Again?
Can we run our trucks intoCalifornia and right now it
sounds like maybe for four moreyears before they possibly take
it back to the federal thing.
And then again you justmentioned that we're not getting
fined.
But was that originally what'ssupposed to happen if the FedEx
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trucks weren't complying with anelectric?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So here's where it gets interesting Is California
is doing what California doesbest and they are not explaining
what they consider a fleet.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Is a fleet, a group of trucks that a large company
like FedEx runs.
Fedex Custom Critical who weoperate under.
Are they the fleet?
Or is HYSG, who operates 70 orso reefer trucks?
Is that the fleet?
We don't have an authority.
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We're not a motor carrier.
We don't have any saying overthat stuff.
We lease our trucks toindividuals, individual
companies.
Who is the fleet in that case?
Every department of every stategovernment that we work for says
FedEx is the fleet we operateand maintain our trucks to.
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What FedEx is held to,california is refusing to say
they want the ability to go inand take on whoever they have to
take on Like.
If so, there's, like somesmaller fleet owners within
FedEx that have, like you know,three to five trucks.
They're going hey, it doesn'tpertain to us because we're so
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small.
But what happens when the stateof California goes like, oh,
fedex is the fleet, now you'reon the hook because you've ran
these trucks into our state thatyou're not allowed to?
So there's been for the pastyear or two that we've been kind
of working through this.
This is all behind the scenesstuff that we've been trying to
figure out and FedEx has beentrying to figure out and a lot
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of us are like watching webinarsand it's a lot.
I know Don has had to puttogether several spreadsheets of
data to be able to turn over tothe state of California to make
sure we're compliant.
That has been an ongoing thingfor the past couple of years and
it's so vague no one knows.
So what we did was we registerall of our stuff to cover our
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own self.
You know, in case that we do gointo California and they go like
, oh no, we want to see you thisway or that way.
Either way we're covered.
And so that's kind of how we'vebeen approached it A lot of
smaller companies, owneroperators and stuff.
I mean, if you're an owneroperator operating under the
fedex truck, with one truckunder the fedex's fleet, and you
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go into california and they say, oh no, you can't be here.
Here's a ten thousand dollar,fine, you know like it's just,
it's been very scary and soseeing this at least get paused
for four more years yeah I thinkis great a little more research
too, maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Maybe they can sort out what a fleet is.
Maybe more questions will beasked.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh, they're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So it's exciting news .
I'm very excited to see thatthey're putting a pause to this,
because there has been so muchvagary on what's going on and
who does it apply to?
Who doesn't it apply to?
How do we meet these goals?
This equipment doesn't exist.
How do we change something whenit doesn't exist?
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I did think it was interestingbecause this topic Zucchini
Bread you sent us over a.
I did get several teams thatreached out to me about this as
well.
I think you got one as well andyou got one as well.
Right, jerry and Vince both gotone, but Zucchini Bread you
sent over an article that Ithought was really cool, kind of
(23:26):
.
It kind of merges in reallynicely with this, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It does.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And it's about a Louisiana company which you know
we're based out of Louisiana.
We're big-time fans ofLouisiana.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So Big time fans of Louisiana.
So I saw it and I thought weshould check it out.
So Louisiana company SIA.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yes, right, is it SIA or SIA?
I don't.
I've always heard it as SIA.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's S-A-I-A.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We've all seen it on the road, oh yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
There you go, right If you push the button on the
side of the trailer, it tellsyou how to pronounce it.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It does.
It's pretty cool, is it really?
Yeah, yeah.
And if you can't reach thebutton because you're driving,
you use the QR code next to it.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You do, oh, okay, and it just speaks.
It Sia, sia.
Depends on where you're at inthe country.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, got it, got it, so your article.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Louisiana company.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
So they've been testing out some of the Tesla
semis.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Aren't we supposed to boo that?
I don't know.
We just talked abouteverything's pro diesel.
No, I'm kidding, we love, Ilike electric.
I think it has a place, anyways.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's a place.
So they tested out comfort,they tested out range.
They tested out comfort, theytested out range, they tested
out payload capacity and itscored pretty high.
They didn't get as manykilowatt hours out, that's not
right Per mile, as they werehoping.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I did see that.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But it was pretty close.
I did see that, but it waspretty close.
They said they got 1.73, and itwas supposedly 1.6 when Tesla
did its own testing.
So it's pretty close.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And that's kind of like EPA mileage for your car.
That's what I was about to say,like you know, when you buy a
brand-new car, like Jerry yourcar said, you get like 38 miles
per hour per gallon on theinterstate and you'd be really
good.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, it says 31 highway and 21 city, I believe,
and I think it's like 26combined.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And how do you get on the highway?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I honestly don't know .
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'd say it depends on how fast you drive.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He's averaging 14 right now, though that's the
problem.
I just drive, but we averaging14 right now though that's the
problem I just drive.
But we've all gotten that right.
You get a car it's like, oh,it's going to be a
30-mile-an-hour car and it's notthat, it's not that.
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
That does come in pretty close though 1.73
kilowatt hours per mile, basedon the benchmark that Kessler
had at 1.
6 kilowatt hours per mile.
But they're saying it's in linewith the DHL trial.
The Willa had early detectionsof 2 kilowatt hours per mile,
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but other tech companies thathave tested the Tesla NFI,
martin and Brouwer are all inthat same range.
So they're all getting verysimilar range from the Tesla.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So it's getting better than what the industry
thought it would get Right, butit's not as good as Tesla.
Well, Tesla's going to run thatthrough there.
Well, all the manufacturers dothat.
We know that.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
My iPads must get 85 hours on a full battery charge.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I know, at full brightness in the sun, right
exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
While running 15 videos at once.
Yes, sorry.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, no, I think it all depends, though, because you
do trials.
But is that really true life?
Whatever True, that's what Ithink.
It's only fair that it's off alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I didn't realize that a majority of the Tesla semis
on the road are for internal use, or for their lone major
customer, as they put it,pepsico.
I didn't know that.
I guess I thought we were alittle more advanced in the
electric semis, but apparentlywe aren't.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
No, we're still really early on.
So, tesla, I forget what theirprojection was for when they put
the semis on the road when theyfirst announced them, but they
kind of fell behind on that,which is not unusual.
Pepsi was one of the firstcompanies to put a large order
in.
And so far, most of the semishave been going to Pepsi in
California for a lot of testing,because they're close to well
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where Tesla's headquarters usedto be at the time, sure, so
that's where most of their semishave been going.
There aren't a whole lot ofthem on the road compared to
other manufacturers, but Pepsi'sbeen doing a lot of testing
with them in and out of likeReno, from Sacramento and San
Francisco, where they're gettingsome range, but also getting
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the Donner.
You're going up Donner Pass, sothey're getting that as well.
So there's a lot of good testarea right there for Pepsi.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They're hoping to mass produce, starting this year
out of a new place in Nevada.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, rolling out 50,000 new vehicles per year.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
That's their goal.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And they're hoping to get into Europe and the rest of
the world soon.
It says here.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, Musk made that announcement not too long.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Or not.
Announcement.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't think it was announcement.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It was a very excited statement.
You know how they do these days.
They don't really nobodyannounces anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They just half-handedly say something mid
Right, exactly, and then it'sthe announcement.
It's the announcement.
It's no longer the.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I didn't know this fun fact, but medium and heavy
trucks account for more than aquarter of national fuel use,
despite representing only 4% ofthe vehicles on the road.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense because think of the
miles.
I don't like that percentage orthat figure because it doesn't
factor into the number of miles.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Now, if they would have said car miles or vehicle
miles, then it would have beendifferent.
Vehicle miles, then it wouldhave been different.
But that's not the case,because you know, one 18-wheeler
does easily 150,000 miles ayear and some do 200, some do
100.
It just depends on whatindustry you're in.
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Your car's not doing 150,000miles a year.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
No, I was just going to say it's a 2014.
It's got 180,000 miles on it in11 years, versus a truck that
we put on the road and two yearslater it's got 250 on it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, 2014,.
One of our 2014 trucks, I meanthat'd be.
I can't imagine what it wouldbe if we stopped those in the
fleet.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
We don't anymore but I just.
How many trucks does SIA have?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
roughly.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
About 5,000.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's what the article says.
Oh, I'm sorry I missed thatpart.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
They've grown significant over the past few
years.
I mean, they were one of thepeople that bought a bunch of
the yellow terminals as well, oh, so this article is very
opinionated.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And so it's definitely very I mean, it's
very left-leaning.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
The article.
The source of this article isthe cooldown.
The cooldown is a green energy.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Initiative company yes, exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
So their entire platform does lean, green and
clean, so I expect that from thecool down Not a bad thing, no,
but if you understand thatthat's the platform of this
website, then you expect to seethat.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, what I like, too, is everything at the top of
the article is very fact andgood Sure, and it's only that
last couple sentences that showtheir agenda, which is great.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I think there's a place for electric.
We're not going to see it inlong haul over the road trucks
for quite some time.
I think the companies that aretesting them are using them in
LTL where they're doing, youknow, hub to hub, and they have
the facilities to charge Pepsi'sdoing them on local routes as
well, to charge Pepsi's doingthem on local routes as well.
So we're not seeing anythinggoing from California to New
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York in an electric vehicle in afast amount of time that's not
the word I'm looking for, butefficiently.
We're just not seeing that inelectric.
Yet they're working on it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, the benefit of having you know.
Sia didn't buy one truck, theybought two to test right.
Sure, and there's a reason.
You drive one from one LTLterminal to the next Right.
You drop the trailers and thetruck, charge the truck, grab
the next electric drive it backto the other terminal, sure.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Park it and you're done.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That driver's done for the day and you're charging
both trucks Like it's not like amistake that they bought two
like that.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
No, it's not, it's planned.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And a lot of these companies.
If you see them, their maps arevery round-robin or it's very
short out and backs.
And you know, electric's greatfor inner city.
I do.
I'm a big fan of electric buses.
The fact that we are stillreally pushing diesel inner city
buses blows my mind.
Because you can do electric.
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They can run the city all daylong and then charge all night
and then run the city all daylong again.
Zero pollution.
I mean.
How many of us have been nextto the road and had a bus pass
us and it's like cough cough,the smell, the smoke or whatever
you can.
In electric you can make thatdisappear, sure.
And the city doesn't have tobuy electricity or electricity.
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The city doesn't have to buygas or diesel or natural gas or
anything like that.
Like it makes sense.
And plus I mean municipalities.
Municipalities, no, they don'tall have a lot of money, but
government is more likely togive money to government so like
um, the federal government'smore likely to give a local
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municipality or a school boardor something like that, money to
buy those electric vehicles.
And again, they only useelectricity when they're running
.
So having to make several stopsin town isn't burning through
electricity.
Now, air conditioning, heatingis, so there is a degree of like
in the extremes.
Like in laredo, where you'rerunning ac all the time, all the
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time you're killing yourbattery.
Up in the north, where you'rerunning your battery heating up
all the time, that definitelyimpacts it as well.
So there are those that thatthat part needs to be worked out
.
Uh, but still, that's that'swhere I see the best use of it.
Or, garbage trucks.
Garbage trucks, another exampleof horrible emissions, because
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they're just going so slow andit takes a lot of power to start
it and and and so they'rewasting so much diesel.
Uh, when they start going andso much emissions come out right
when they start going and thenthey're immediately stopping.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because they're getting the next start-stop.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Start-stop yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So it's like the worst thing you can do.
So electric eliminates that andagain, while they're dumping it
, the garbage truck is usingzero power.
So I definitely think there'ssome applications right now that
we can do to improve and thinkabout it.
Garbage truck, city buses,that's in the city sure like
that directly impactseverybody's um quality of air
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yeah so the over the highwaytruck running through arizona
right now, not really impactingnearly as much as the garbage
truck and the recycling truckthat passes in front of my house
every twice a week, or the dumptruck that comes through here,
or the mail truck that goesthrough, you know, I remember
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when that article came out thatthe US Postal Service had
abandoned what was it like?
Half the order that they weregoing to do electric.
They made gas instead ofelectric.
I thought, like what ashort-sightedness of that.
It just what a perfect chanceto get a lot of emissions off
the road and they blew it Likeit.
(35:03):
Just that made me so angry whenI saw that.
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
They got to save money, but there's still such a
thing as an oil lobby.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
True.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
That still wants their piece of the pie because
they've got such an investment.
But at some point we've got tolook at that and go okay, I get
it big oil, but let's look atother stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, that's slowly happening, right it is slowly
happening.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
We're still a long way away from mass adoption of
electric vehicles On theconsumer level as well as the
commercial level.
We don't have theinfrastructure for charging like
we'd like to have.
People still don't understandelectric and its uses.
They're still tied to internalcombustion engines, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, I agree.
I honestly like so many ofthese people that I know that
I'm friends with that havesports cars or love sports cars
and they hate electric.
I'm like we need to go for aride in a real, like a real
electric car Sure.
Not a $20,000 one, but likelet's go do the $100,000.
Plaid.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Tesla Roadster, tesla .
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Roadster or Tesla Plaid.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
And you will change your mind.
And there's still a place forinternal combustion engines.
If you want to get out there inyour sports car and spend the
money on the fuel, go for it.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
If you like the sound .
Speaker 2 (36:20):
There you go.
Who was it?
I saw it might have been BMW orthe Volkswagen Group was
talking about.
No, I'm sorry, it was Cadillac.
It might have been Cadillac.
Anyways, they're talking aboutengineering the sound for their
electric car so that you stillget that.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's what Corvette did too.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, you get that like.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Rumble, that rumble yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Oh man, I just think it's hysterical, Like hear the
rumble of my electric motor Ifmy electric motor, if my
electric car has to have a sound.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I want it to be the Jetsons.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I think if you send something to Musk, he probably
would program that in for you.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Probably would.
I can't be the first person tothink about that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The reverse is move, Get out the way.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I saw a meme the other day that George Jetson
turns three this year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I did too.
That's funny.
Where's my freaking spaceshipand why am I not living?
In a cloud city.
I don't know, you know why Iloved the Jetsons growing up,
because I was a Star Wars nutand I loved the cloud city and
the Empire Strikes Back.
I always thought that was socool.
Well, that's enough talkingabout news.
How's your week been so far,melissa?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Well, hmm, we recorded last Saturdays before
we had gone on a two-truckmission, you and I.
That was a long two days.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Look at your smile.
It was not long for you.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Why was it not?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
long for me.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It was not near as long as mine.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I feel, like I wasted Wednesday.
I'm like.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Can I go back to bed and do Wednesday again?
Well, aren't Wednesdays forwasting?
Apparently, the best part ofWednesday was it was Rhoda,
wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Yes, it was.
Rhoda.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Rhoda.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
At Chili's at the John Glenn Columbus Airport.
She was the most amazing humanever for five and a half hours
of my life and she hooked me upin a booth in Chili's and I just
sat tight.
My flight got delayed threetimes and then I rebooked to a
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much later flight and it didn'tmake sense to come all the way
home because it's about a30-minute drive from the airport
for two hours of my own home togo back then and redo check-in
and it just didn't.
It was silly, but she hooked meup.
She got me some complimentarychips and salsa.
I sat there and listened tosome podcasts for my one hour
(39:08):
flight at six o'clock.
So at any rate the drive waslovely.
It was kind of nice to get backout and drive, you know, 400
plus miles and it was abeautiful sunny day.
We hit the snow storms inbetween that last week.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It just, we hit traffic in between this, like
that last week.
Yep, it just yeah, we hittraffic in between the cities in
between traffic.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You commented on Indianapolis.
You're like I've never seen itlike this before.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It was dead.
It was dead, there was nobody.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
It was before rush hour.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It was before rush hour, it was about 2 o'clock, 3
o'clock, yeah, and we justscooted right through there, I
think, slowed all the way downto 55 miles an hour.
Whoa it was.
And that was only one spot, andthen it was open again.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Maybe three miles worth.
It wasn't very long.
Yeah, it wasn't very long atall, because we exited.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, it was great, Beautiful drive.
I ended up so right before that, so the day before that flight,
I ended up getting a littlesick.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You did.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Not very sick, just a little bit sick, and then, uh,
I got worse.
The day of the dry or the dayof the travel the day of the
travel and in the airport I waslike I don't feel really good.
And then I flew to detroit andin detroit I'm like I really
don't feel good.
And then I flew on to missouriand that's when, when we came
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into land, my ear wouldn't popand it I was like tears coming
down my face.
It was hurting so bad.
I mean, as soon as I got to theairport the first thing I did
was drop my bag down and bust itopen and grab Advil and a
decongestant to try to likeplease something yeah um, the
good news is, you know, sevenhours later it, hours later it
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cleared up enough when it wasn'tpainful, but it still felt like
I had a pillow Stuffed in myear, and then the next day
showing up.
It was a little bit of drama Atthe pick up, but we're not
going to get into that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
No, but I did ask him Am I your bad luck charm?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I'm going to stop coming with you to pick up new
trucks.
I told him that.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Because when we went to Dallas last time it wasn't
bad luck, I just there was ashift in plans for the.
This is last year when thethree of us went Vince I and
Patrick but there was a shift inplans and I ended up actually
staying and taking a truck to AAand flew right back, so
literally it was an all-dayairport adventure for me, maybe
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you and airports are bad luck.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
No more flight dates At any rate we did end up
leaving St Louis with two trucks, which was the goal and the
plan.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And what was super nice was, while I was inside
handling the drama, you actuallywere able to go outside.
You started pre-tripping boththe trucks and you got the signs
put on the truck.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I did.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And did everything to make us DOT legal.
So when I came out there, mypre-trip was abbreviated because
you'd already handled most ofit, so that was super nice.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I didn't want to get home at midnight.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, and then we hit the road and I remember telling
you like we're going to stopbecause I needed water.
I was like we're going to needto stop as soon as we get to the
first truck stop.
And the first truck stop waslike three miles down the road.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And it was a love and it was a loves which is where
we go.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And you were like you want to stop here?
And I'm like no, and you saidlike oh, you want to get some
miles underneath you orsomething like that or whatever.
And I'm like how are you doing?
She's like I'm good.
So I was like let's roll on.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And we ended up rolling on to like it was a
pilot that we ended up stoppingat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That was a bathroom break.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
more than anything, it wasn't effing him.
It was in the middle ofIllinois.
It might have been Was iteffing him At any rate, we ended
up.
He's like really, you can'tmake it to Tara hot.
And I'm like how far is Tarahot?
It was effing him.
He's like an hour and a half.
Nope, Nope, the bladder's notgoing to make it an hour and a
half.
So we stopped at the pilot.
He got water.
We did just kind of a doublecheck.
We picked up some washer fluidbecause I had noted that both of
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our fluids were rather low inthe trucks, and just in case we
needed it.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Who knew what the weather was?
Well, we were between those twostorms, so we didn't know if we
were going to catch them.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
And I think after that we made the one other stop
on the other side ofIndianapolis.
We made the one other stop onthe other side of Indianapolis
and we were pretty golden.
We literally entered FranklinCounty or Columbus Ohio
outskirts and while the sun wasdown there was still a light
glow of the sunset in my sidemirrors and I'm like we kind of
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got back before the sun wentdown.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Of course, pulling in a storage lot it's completely
dark, no lights.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It was good I did catch a cold.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
We're going to blame it on Kelly McDonald.
I hear that's where itoriginated from.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
We're going to call her patient zero.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But all in all my weekend was great.
If anybody wants to know,zucchini bread and Vince and I
we went and tried a new coffeeplace out in Plain City.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Looking forward to going back.
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, at least it's close and convenient.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Right next to Costco.
Well, it was kind of atwo-for-one.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
It's about five miles past Costco.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Oh, Plain City.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I was thinking what's the city over there next to
where Fight is at Jefferson?
Speaker 5 (44:33):
West Jefferson.
There is a sign on that exitfor Plain City, West Jefferson.
Okay, Plain City is really notthat bad.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I retract my sarcastic comment.
It's beyond Costco.
It's beyond Costco, just beyondCostco.
Plain City is just beyondCostco.
Can you get coffee?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
inside of Costco.
Have you tried that yet?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
No, that's not a specialty shop.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
You can buy coffee beans inside of Costco.
True, but what was it calledRooster Hen?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That's not far I should have it, shouldn't I?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Hen and the Chick?
I don't think they do.
Red Hen, was it Red Hen?
Speaker 5 (45:04):
They were busy.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
They are.
They have a place to be.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yeah, we got there just in time.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So it was good, it was good.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Delicious.
So finally, you go to a goodone and you don't take us.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
Well, how do we know?
You were sick?
You were offered.
You decided to stay home.
I did get that text.
It was a safe decision, yeah itwas.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Saturday morning I did get that text message of how
are you feeling, Because I feltpretty good Friday night we
still socially distanced anddidn't get together.
No, and I was like, oh, youwere chatting back and forth.
I'm like, okay, let's see how Ifeel tomorrow.
And Saturday morning I woke upand I'm like it's not happening.
Yeah, which is fine, and wecan't take Jerry to new coffee
places, jerry's a coffee snob.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
We can't take Jerry to new coffee places.
Jerry's a coffee snob.
We can only take him there oncewe go there and tried it and we
know we like it.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Tried it a few times.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Right and we hope and pray that Jerry likes it and
Jerry approves.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Do you go to new coffee places or are you just a
Starbucks fan, Jerry?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I'll go to new coffee places we just don't get out
that often yeah.
It was cold this past weekend,so I just stayed in.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I needed meat Meat in the freezer for the week, so
I'm like we're going to go pastCostco.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I stayed home and played Playstation all weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Did you win?
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Maybe it wasn't the kind of game where you win.
Maybe it's a quest kind of game.
I'm just speculating Could beBoggle?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I'm just speculating.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Could be Boggle.
I'm more into puzzle games.
Horror role playing there yougo.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Did y'all know he was a gamer?
Speaker 5 (46:38):
No, I did not know Not until we were there for
Christmas and his mom bought himsomething for his PlayStation
or something.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Well, I didn't even know that.
When did y'all talk?
Speaker 5 (46:46):
about that christmas when we're at his house.
When I was there talking aboutthe gifts his mom gave him yeah,
we rode together, so I mighthave been making green beans at
that time.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
You may have been.
You're right, you may have been.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
I think you were counting out the uh dried onions
.
I think you had the rightamount I think it was funny.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I showed up so like we got together at their house.
Is this secret or no?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
no, I think we've already talked about it.
I I think we did too Lastweekend.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But we got together at your house and I rolled up
and we were there several hoursearly to play games and I asked
you, like can I borrow yourstove for the green beans?
And you said yeah.
I said cool, so I show up with,you know, the green beans
uncooked, the raw onions, likeall my ingredients, all my
accoutrement, all twoingredients.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Three ingredients, all my accoutrement, all two
ingredients.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
Three.
He had the salted pork thistime.
That's right, he did SpecialChristmas version.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
There was more than three and I go there and Don's
like I thought you were going tobring done green beans and we
were just going to keep themwarm and I'm like no, I just
figured we'd cook them now.
I mean, it's a lot easier tobring it all over in parts and
pieces than it is to have tofigure out how to get liquidy
beans to your house and I don'thave.
(47:53):
So my mom had all this stuffand now I understand why she had
it Like Tupperware with likenot Tupperware, I'm sorry
Corningware, which is like theseporcelain dishes, but they all
had these rubber lids that wouldsnap on.
And she has like all this stuffto be able to go places and
(48:15):
transport.
I got none of that.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
The little three quart Instapot would be good for
your green beans because youdon't have to use it as an
Instapot.
You could use it like as acrock pot, as a warmer, but it
has the lock lid so you couldjust pick up and travel around
wherever you want, nothingspills.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
How many people could I feed with that, you think?
Because I'd like something that?
Because typically if we gettogether there's six to ten of
us.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
It's enough.
The size of the container isabout what you use with your
bigger pan.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
All right, Because beans for those of you that
don't know, green beans are kindof like my brain to think.
If one of y'all makes greenbeans better than me, I'll give
over the reins.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
No, next time you do it, I'll remember to loan you
mine and see if it works for you, and then you'll know if it's
something that would be worththe purchase.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
And then I'll have to find out if the budget allows.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah, that would be a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
So Keeney Bread, how goes it here?
How goes it Well.
You and I were talking todaythat you're at like two and a
half three weeks.
Yeah, yeah and yeah, I'm stillhere.
Woo, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Do you feel you've accomplished anything?
Speaker 3 (49:29):
A few things.
There you go.
Crickets, do you have?
Speaker 4 (49:36):
the cricket pen over here I'm waiting for you to
elaborate.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
That's probably best.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
That's probably best.
I was actually talking to KellyMcDonald Patient Zero, as we
affectionately call her, yes andI was telling her how I felt
bad because as soon as you cameon board I was already on a
cruise in the middle of theocean.
So for the first three or fourdays I didn't even get a chance
to really talk to you or hangout or anything.
And then come back and I, whatdid we do?
(50:08):
You were sick.
It was get sick go get was, getsick, go get a truck, go get
another truck, like all theselike I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is like the worst welcome to thecompany uh there could be,
especially being your role isgonna be working so closely with
me, eric kelly's.
Like you know, she's like everyday working with jerry, kayla
(50:28):
or me or Melissa, or going tothe Yard Events or whatever
she's like.
By the time you finally do getto catch up with her, she's
going to have this great bed ofknowledge that she already knows
, so that hopefully it'll be aneasier transition.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'm like oh, I never thought about that.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, so you got high praise from Kelly.
Well, thank you, that's whatI'm saying I've been trying.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
She did learn some of the little things, right, yeah,
so I've got, like she said, anidea of getting to this side of
the business, as opposed to justbeing the driver's side of the
business, you know, learning thedifferent side makes a
difference.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
We definitely operate our company a lot different
than someone who's operating acompany from the cockpit of
their truck.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
She was sending back dishes today, satellite dishes.
Maybe there was a misorder.
She needed some tape and wescrunched through the junk
bucket that we've got.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
There was no tape in the junk drawer.
Yeah, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
She had duct tape white duct tape and purple duct
tape to seal the boxes withGuess what color.
She went with Purple, of courseshe's a FedEx Duh.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
Purple yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
That's my favorite color too.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
I'm like she's shipping them FedEx.
That would be funny, right.
I looked over at the boxes.
I'm like, oh, you want purple,huh.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
We've got to break that dedication.
It's red and black now.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's red and black Anyway.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I needed the clear for the label so I wanted to
make sure I had enough that thelabel wouldn't get destroyed.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I was giving her a hard time.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, that was a weird situation that happened.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
It was.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
That company.
I get props to that company.
I do look forward to doing morebusiness with them, because
we're several weeks past thereturn policy and they still
made it right.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I'm glad I opened that up.
I'm glad you did too.
It was a mispick.
So we ordered these satellitedomes in white and they sent it
to them in black.
And you know, all the trucksare white, so a black dome would
look kind of silly up there andthe pick list did say white.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Yeah, everything said white.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
And they made it right.
They sent us the new ones askedfor the old ones back, didn't
charge anything.
Great customer service.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Nice Big time props for them.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Look forward to working with them some more.
But yeah, Cool.
Well, anybody got anything else?
Eric, you got anything.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I haven't heard you say anything yet.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Not this week, not this week.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Not this week, all right.
Well, in the meantime, ifthere's anything we're
forgetting to say, jerry willchime in right now.
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You're around the circle.
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He does say, it Say his line oh wow.
Don't leave money on the table.
That sounds familiar.
What did you say?
I said he's supposed to saydon't leave money on the table,
literally looking like that'smine.
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That sounds familiar strangely enough.
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What did you say?
I said he's supposed to saydon't leave money on the table.
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I said keep those words of turban.
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He didn't even catch it.
I'm waiting on you to say yourline.
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That's why I was like wait a minute.
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I thought you were going toroll with it.
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I did, and don't leave money on the table, woo.
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Do we want to redo that?
No, no, let it roll.
Let it roll.
It seems silly.
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It's a lot, that was a lot.
We're silly If they're stilllistening.
They're dedicated hardcore,that's right.
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Outer Belt.
I'm Patrick and you all know myfriends Chili.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 4 (00:16):
And Jerry.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, and we're coming to you live, not live, it's sort
of live, we're live, we're livefrom the Outer Belt Studios in
Columbus, ohio.
I am so glad to be here today.
It's been a crazy, crazy fewweeks.
But first and foremost, we'vegot to talk about the breaking
news out of California.
The California Air ResourceBoard has suspended its
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regulations to phase out dieseltrucks and locomotives.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
They requested an EPA waiver on advanced clean fleets
, advanced clean fleets.
They have dropped that requestfrom the EPA.
So when they make this rule orruling it has to go to the EPA,
carb, california Air ResourceBoard.
They make a ruling that coversCalifornia, but the EPA, the
(01:09):
Environmental Protection Agency,the federal government, has to
approve it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So just to back up a little history so CARB is
California's EPA.
Yes, exactly, it's an EPA thatjust does its state, just
California, and they are by farthe strictest of air standards.
Which makes sense.
If you look at an old 1970smovie based in California, Los
Angeles you can't see nothing.
(01:33):
There's no mountains back there, Nothing.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's just brown and nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
When you go to Los Angeles today you're like, wow,
wildfires.
No, our hearts are witheverybody there impacted.
But when you go to Los Angelesnow, it's actually quite clear.
It is quite clear.
It looks beautiful Blue skies,you've got all the mountains
around you.
You have smoggy days, butthey're few and not nearly as
frequent as it used to be.
I remember growing up as a kid,you couldn't see.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
From where I lived in South LA, you couldn't see the
Hollywood sign because of thehaze.
Every now and again wind blew.
You could see the Hollywoodsign and then, as I grew older,
realized wow, you can see theHollywood sign daily now because
of the emission standards thatcame into effect.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I've seen it every single time I've been to LA.
I've never even thought thatyou wouldn't be able to see it.
That's crazy.
Carb has done a lot of reallygood work in the state to get
emissions down.
A lot of the emissions that weall deal with today are because
of emission standards, arebecause of what CARB put out 30,
40 years ago.
(02:38):
Some have been great Like.
I think all of us are happypretty much that unleaded gas is
the norm and that we havecatalytic converters in our cars
.
It's a reliable piece oftechnology.
Every now and then you've gotto replace a cat which stinks,
but I mean most of them now aregood for 200,000, 300,000 miles,
so it's a reliable source ofemissions cleaning and they've
(03:01):
made some good strides.
The current DEF SCR system ondiesel trucks is actually really
good.
It's really good.
It's fairly reliable Fairly,fairly reliable.
Actually, the system works fine.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The system works fine .
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's the sensors that cause problems, only the
sensors can be made better, butnobody wants to do that because
they got you on the hook to comeback and get new sensors?
Yeah, I get it, but nobodywants to do that because they
got you on the hook to come backand get new sensors.
Yeah, I get it.
Products designed to failthat's a whole new topic we
could discuss.
But anyways so emissions levelof all these big trucks and
everything's come down quite abit over the years and there's
been dramatic improvement in airquality going on for a long
(03:39):
time.
Now and again California's kindof spearheaded this, but you do
see other major cities like NewYork City is also experiencing
quite a bit less haze because ofit.
They also help with emissionsfrom smokestacks, from
refineries, things like that,because California does have a
large refining presence as well.
(04:00):
I think they might be the secondlargest refiner or third,
they're big Like after Texas, Ithink I think they might be the
second largest refinery.
Or third, they're big Likeafter Texas, I think I think.
So they're not like an evilorganization, but we kind of
portray them that way.
We really do, because they tendto be very zealous and like we
want the future now and so overthe years I've seen quite a few
(04:23):
times where California willimplement a plan and industry
ready or not, we're doing it,we're doing it, here it is, here
it is, and sometimes, like withthe SCR system we have now, it
was kind of good, likeeverything's kind of worked out
pretty good.
But if we go one level past thisto the original DPF filters
(04:44):
without the SCR component to it,which is selective catalytic
regeneration, Something likethat.
Something like that To justdiesel particulate filters.
That was a disaster.
Those engines were horrible.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Those years were terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, it was an EPA mandate, but it came because
California was doing it.
What has happened is Californiahas said by is it 2035?
Yes, I think, by 2035, you areno longer allowed to purchase a
diesel vehicle in the state ofCalifornia and operate there.
(05:21):
So the Advanced Clean Fleets Isit Advanced Clean Fleets?
Is that what it's called ACF,acf, alcohol Combustion and
Firearms?
I'm trying to find out?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Did they just jump Advanced?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Clean Fleets, advanced Clean Fleets.
So the Advanced Clean Fleetswas this idea that by 2035, I
believe it was 2035.
Is it not 20?
I think that's the date.
2035 would be the last yearthat they could sell
diesel-powered vehicles in thestate of California.
So 2036, no more.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Does that mean civilian pickup trucks or just
semi-trucks?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You know, I think it's just commercial vehicles.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I'm not positive.
It's very vague.
Again, this is kind of breakingnews.
Sure Well, that's not breakingnews, but what we're going to
talk about is breaking news.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So I don't have all my facts Sure.
I've got enough to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
We're just going to say commercial vehicles.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So they said 2036, no more sales of commercial
vehicles.
2035 will be the last year youcan do it and that would line up
with their ban, I believe, oncars.
Is cars not 2035?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
2035 is for vehicles, yes, so what?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
we're going to talk about doesn't affect that 2035
cars in California will still beelectric or hydrogen only.
You will not be able to buy agas-powered car in California
after 2035.
I know, but we're talking abouttrucks.
So what they did was they saidif you have a lot of trucks,
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we're going to call you ahigh-priority company and
starting in 2025, 2024, 2024 youwill have to start slowly
moving your trucks over toeither hydrogen or electric.
So starting in 2024, a largefleet I don't remember the exact
(07:22):
number, it it's not many trucksyou will have to start buying
electric or hydrogen only, soyou won't be able to add any
more diesel powered trucks intoyour fleet.
Now you can still run them, butyou can't buy them, and their
whole goal was, I think, by 2046or something like that, to be
completely phased out no dieselpowered vehicles in the state of
California period.
(07:43):
So it's a very advantageousgoal.
In reality, when you look at thelifespan of a truck, 10 to 15
years is about the healthy,profitable.
Anything past that, you'rereally putting a lot of money in
repair and maintenance, so it'shard to keep those kind of
trucks running.
Now there's plenty of them outthere.
I know you're probably thinkinglike well, I know my Uncle Joe
(08:05):
has a 1984 International.
He still runs.
Yes, there's plenty of them outthere that still run, but large
fleets.
No one's running a truck overthat many years old.
So the 2046 date being, youknow, 10 years after the last
that you could buy the internalcombustion or internal diesel
engine, it makes sense, likethat time frame does make sense,
(08:26):
but it still seems very fast tothose of us in the business.
What they did was to be able todo that, they have to kind of
what Vince was alluding toearlier.
Kind of what Vince was alludingto earlier.
They have to send this to theEPA and say for our state, we
(08:46):
want a waiver against your ruleso that we can enforce this
policy different than how youenforce it across the country.
And they got the waiver on thecars.
They did not get it yet on theAdvanced Clean Fleets Act.
And what they're talking about,or what they just did, that's
breaking news is they havewithdrawn that request.
They are no longer going topursue this Advanced Clean Fleet
(09:10):
initiative for four years.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now that timing may sound a bit ambiguous.
It does sound that way, but ifyou dig deeper You'll find out
that they're actually doing itfor a very political purpose.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Very political.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They have looked at the previous Trump
administration and saw what theywill approve and won't approve.
They have sat down together andrealized there is no way this
gets approved under Trump's EPA,and so, rather than have it
declined because that's a wholeother world of if it gets
(09:52):
declined and then they have toreapply for it they're just
withdrawing it.
They're going to sit on it forfour years until he's out of
office.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Wow, and then resubmit, and then resubmit, and
then resubmit and hope theyhave a more favorable
Speaker 3 (10:03):
administration.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Which, in all fairness, I'm sure they would
resubmit regardless who runs inthe next four years, because
Trump won't be eligible anymore.
So anything's an unknown, it isan unknown, whereas they feel
like with Trump, it's a known,is an unknown, it is an unknown,
whereas they feel like withTrump, it's a known.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
His previous administration, like you said,
already showed that hisadministration is not going to
allow it this time either.
That hasn't changed, right.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Correct, yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So in four years it depends on what that
administration looks like, basedon their track record as well,
whoever the president is andthen people that he appoints.
So, yeah, they may or may notin four years, depending on what
that administration looks likeyeah, it's really, it all can be
postponed.
It can all be.
It's all been postponed at thispoint and it really truly looks
(10:47):
it.
That gives manufacturersadditional four years to develop
clean energy vehicles, zeroemissions vehicles that right
now are in limited supply in thecommercial vehicle market.
And then if you go into thelocomotives, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
They don't exist Right.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So it gives manufacturers a little more time
to work on that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And this is vehicles that are only being purchased.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
In the state of California, so you can still run
a diesel truck in Ish.
So if you are a high-priorityfleet, even outside of the state
of California, to run yourtruck in the state of California
you have to register with CARB,even though you're not
registering, or even thoughyou're not a California company
(11:33):
because you're such a largefleet, they're saying that which
is part of the EPA waiver thingis it's kind of national but
not really well.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Um, so you also have to register any diesel engine,
not a vehicle necessarily.
You have to register thereefers that are on our trucks
have to be registered with carbso that's a new one and that's
actually related to this story.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So I've read conflicting articles and I'm
waiting to see which is correct.
I've read some articles thatsay that there is a thing called
a TRU electrification,something, something, something.
So basically what they'resaying is TRU temperature
regulated unit.
So refrigerated truck right, orrefrigerated trailer or
(12:16):
refrigerated train car orwhatever.
They're saying that they wantthose all electric as well.
So that obviously affects us,since we run FedEx and we have a
bunch of reefer trucks outthere.
So for a lot of us, when theyfirst came out with this,
they're doing the same phased inapproach.
So starting this year or nextyear I don't remember which one
(12:39):
it is we're supposed to, any newreefers we buy are supposed to
be electric and then we'resupposed to, every couple years,
rotate out 15% of our fleet andput electric on there.
Where it gets really fun isthat they don't exist.
And I don't mean likeproduction's down, I don't mean
like Supp down, I don't meanlike Supply chain issues Supply
(13:01):
chain issues.
I mean like Thermo King andCarrier go we got nothing.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
They don't exist, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thermo King has a prototype out now and Carrier
just released a prototype.
None are big enough for thesize boxes we have.
Actually, that's not true.
Carrier's isn't big enough forthe size boxes we have.
Actually, that's not true.
Carriers isn't big enough forthe size box we have.
Thermo Kings is, but it won'trun off of a diesel-powered
truck.
It's only designed to run offan electric M2 and a Rivian or
(13:34):
something like that truck, ornot a Rivian truck.
That'd be funny.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It would be a tiny truck.
That's a pickup truck, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It is?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
yeah, it might be a BYD truck maybe, or something
like that that it can run off of.
That's the only two models itcan run off of.
So all of it, and you thinkabout our business, with what we
do across country with theserefrigerator trucks, home and
pharmaceuticals and what haveyou.
So it's like, hey, well, whatabout we can just do smaller
trucks.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Well, think about all the Domino's locations in your
city in California.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Think about all the DiGiorno pizza trucks that
you've seen and all the likesmall local bakeries that run
these reefer trucks and stuff.
They're running 20, 22 footboxes, 24 foot boxes, like we
are, and there isn't a productthat exists.
It doesn't exist and even onthose levels, like a small
refrigerated truck, like a24-foot typical Ryder Rensome,
(14:30):
that kind of size truck,refrigerator truck, is probably
around $160,000 right now.
To get an electric M2 with areefer on it, it's somewhere in
the neighborhood of like$550,000 right now.
To get an electric M2 with areefer on it, it's somewhere in
the neighborhood of like$550,000.
Easy money.
So it's dramatically moreexpensive.
Now that price will come downright.
When Tesla first came out theywere $100,000.
(14:51):
It was an S when it first cameout like $108,000, something
like that $110,000?
They were up there yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
And I guarantee.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The s is still in that range, sure, but you have a
three is 36 000 40 000, 40 000,yeah, yeah, with everything on
it.
And if you want to go with a, aleaf, or if you want to go with
uh, what's the new one chevyjust put out?
I mean, those are even lower.
So, like we're seeing in cars,those prices are dropping fast,
even if you look at a hundredgrand for a tesla, one of the
(15:26):
nicer teslas.
100 grand gets you a lightningford lightning which has the
same range and all the abilitiesof the cyber truck.
Plus you can also buy.
You know, a ford must Mustang aused one.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You still have money left over, you can buy a Hummer
for the same price as a Tesla.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That market is drastically coming down in price
.
It's going to happen the samewith trucks.
It just hasn't happened yetBecause this technology doesn't
exist.
There's a lot of us or there'ssome of us, I should say that
think this might just be theirway of stalling, because they
(16:06):
know they jumped the gun toofast.
So, in other words, if itwasn't the Trump administration,
they would have found anotherreason to pause it or to stop it
or to give it a little break.
They have kind of shown theindustry their cards and what
they're about to do.
The industry is trying to catchup, but they realize, hey,
(16:33):
there's not a solution here yet,but there's solutions coming,
but they're not here yet.
And so this is not the firsttime California's done this.
California has put stuff outthere before and pulled it back
after having it out there for alittle while.
They have a kind of a trackrecord of that.
So there's a lot of us thinking, hey, this is what California's
doing.
It is a scare tactic, and theyalso got a lot of people to do
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some of what they wanted to getdone, and for the rest of us,
california's going like allright, we understand you need
some more time.
Thermo King carrier need towork this stuff out because the
products don't exist.
And guess what If you can't getfood at home and I know there's
some exceptions for food andstuff that they were talking
(17:20):
about throwing out there um, butit's it's.
It's not easy stuff to get,just like when the dpf uh ruling
came through california.
You had to have a dpf filter tooperate in california.
They did give farmers anexemption and some
municipalities as well, butthose did eventually go away.
Yeah, I think I I do.
I lean in that camp of like.
I think this is just one ofCalifornia's ways of stalling
(17:43):
and saying you know, hey, westill want to do this, but we
kind of recognize it's notpossible.
And so all the majormanufacturers realize, hey,
we've got four years to figuresome of this stuff out and get
electrically changed over.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So are they fining.
No, they changed over, so arethey fining?
At some point?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, they're not.
They're not fining, as a matterof fact, the TRU and the Clean
Fleets.
They did not get their waiverfrom the EPA signed yet.
So when it went to effect in2024, they came out and said
we're not going to enforce it,but we will do it retroactively.
So if you don't do itretroactively, we will come back
and get our money.
And then they went to court andthen they decided you know what
(18:25):
we're not going toretroactively get our money, we
will wait.
So recently I think it wasSeptember or August they came
out and said hey, we're notgoing to do the retroactive
thing anymore.
Again, just within the last 24hours, they've come out and said
um, we're completelywithdrawing everything
altogether.
But that was the original thingwas finding if you're, if
you're in the state ofcalifornia, they just wouldn't
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let you register the truck,right, so you'd have a truck you
couldn't use it like crazy.
And what's really happenedthat's unfortunate is because
and they talk about it in thesearticles that we've read and
researched on to get thisinformation is they have gone
and, um, scared all these people.
So there's been a mad rush on2024 trucks.
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All these people have gone outin 2025 trucks and bought all
these trucks last year, thinkingall these big fleets thinking
it's gonna be our last year tobuy these diesel powered trucks.
So they've bought all thesetrucks in preparation for it,
losing money and all this stuff,only to find out now none of
that was necessary.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Since they've withdrawn that, they don't have
to.
That's not the case anymore.
So next year they can buy adiesel-powered truck in
California, no problem.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So how does it equate to Highfield Again?
Can we run our trucks intoCalifornia and right now it
sounds like maybe for four moreyears before they possibly take
it back to the federal thing.
And then again you justmentioned that we're not getting
fined.
But was that originally what'ssupposed to happen if the FedEx
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trucks weren't complying with anelectric?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So here's where it gets interesting Is California
is doing what California doesbest and they are not explaining
what they consider a fleet.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Is a fleet, a group of trucks that a large company
like FedEx runs.
Fedex Custom Critical who weoperate under.
Are they the fleet?
Or is HYSG, who operates 70 orso reefer trucks?
Is that the fleet?
We don't have an authority.
(20:32):
We're not a motor carrier.
We don't have any saying overthat stuff.
We lease our trucks toindividuals, individual
companies.
Who is the fleet in that case?
Every department of every stategovernment that we work for says
FedEx is the fleet we operateand maintain our trucks to.
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What FedEx is held to,california is refusing to say
they want the ability to go inand take on whoever they have to
take on Like.
If so, there's, like somesmaller fleet owners within
FedEx that have, like you know,three to five trucks.
They're going hey, it doesn'tpertain to us because we're so
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small.
But what happens when the stateof California goes like, oh,
fedex is the fleet, now you'reon the hook because you've ran
these trucks into our state thatyou're not allowed to?
So there's been for the pastyear or two that we've been kind
of working through this.
This is all behind the scenesstuff that we've been trying to
figure out and FedEx has beentrying to figure out and a lot
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of us are like watching webinarsand it's a lot.
I know Don has had to puttogether several spreadsheets of
data to be able to turn over tothe state of California to make
sure we're compliant.
That has been an ongoing thingfor the past couple of years and
it's so vague no one knows.
So what we did was we registerall of our stuff to cover our
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own self.
You know, in case that we do gointo California and they go like
, oh no, we want to see you thisway or that way.
Either way we're covered.
And so that's kind of how we'vebeen approached it A lot of
smaller companies, owneroperators and stuff.
I mean, if you're an owneroperator operating under the
fedex truck, with one truckunder the fedex's fleet, and you
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go into california and they say, oh no, you can't be here.
Here's a ten thousand dollar,fine, you know like it's just,
it's been very scary and soseeing this at least get paused
for four more years yeah I thinkis great a little more research
too, maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Maybe they can sort out what a fleet is.
Maybe more questions will beasked.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh, they're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So it's exciting news .
I'm very excited to see thatthey're putting a pause to this,
because there has been so muchvagary on what's going on and
who does it apply to?
Who doesn't it apply to?
How do we meet these goals?
This equipment doesn't exist.
How do we change something whenit doesn't exist?
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I did think it was interestingbecause this topic Zucchini
Bread you sent us over a.
I did get several teams thatreached out to me about this as
well.
I think you got one as well andyou got one as well.
Right, jerry and Vince both gotone, but Zucchini Bread you
sent over an article that Ithought was really cool, kind of
(23:26):
.
It kind of merges in reallynicely with this, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It does.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And it's about a Louisiana company which you know
we're based out of Louisiana.
We're big-time fans ofLouisiana.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So Big time fans of Louisiana.
So I saw it and I thought weshould check it out.
So Louisiana company SIA.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yes, right, is it SIA or SIA?
I don't.
I've always heard it as SIA.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's S-A-I-A.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We've all seen it on the road, oh yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
There you go, right If you push the button on the
side of the trailer, it tellsyou how to pronounce it.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It does.
It's pretty cool, is it really?
Yeah, yeah.
And if you can't reach thebutton because you're driving,
you use the QR code next to it.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You do, oh, okay, and it just speaks.
It Sia, sia.
Depends on where you're at inthe country.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, got it, got it, so your article.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Louisiana company.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
So they've been testing out some of the Tesla
semis.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Aren't we supposed to boo that?
I don't know.
We just talked abouteverything's pro diesel.
No, I'm kidding, we love, Ilike electric.
I think it has a place, anyways.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's a place.
So they tested out comfort,they tested out range.
They tested out comfort, theytested out range, they tested
out payload capacity and itscored pretty high.
They didn't get as manykilowatt hours out, that's not
right Per mile, as they werehoping.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I did see that.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But it was pretty close.
I did see that, but it waspretty close.
They said they got 1.73, and itwas supposedly 1.6 when Tesla
did its own testing.
So it's pretty close.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And that's kind of like EPA mileage for your car.
That's what I was about to say,like you know, when you buy a
brand-new car, like Jerry yourcar said, you get like 38 miles
per hour per gallon on theinterstate and you'd be really
good.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, it says 31 highway and 21 city, I believe,
and I think it's like 26combined.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And how do you get on the highway?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I honestly don't know .
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'd say it depends on how fast you drive.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He's averaging 14 right now, though that's the
problem.
I just drive, but we averaging14 right now though that's the
problem I just drive.
But we've all gotten that right.
You get a car it's like, oh,it's going to be a
30-mile-an-hour car and it's notthat, it's not that.
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
That does come in pretty close though 1.73
kilowatt hours per mile, basedon the benchmark that Kessler
had at 1.
6 kilowatt hours per mile.
But they're saying it's in linewith the DHL trial.
The Willa had early detectionsof 2 kilowatt hours per mile,
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but other tech companies thathave tested the Tesla NFI,
martin and Brouwer are all inthat same range.
So they're all getting verysimilar range from the Tesla.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So it's getting better than what the industry
thought it would get Right, butit's not as good as Tesla.
Well, Tesla's going to run thatthrough there.
Well, all the manufacturers dothat.
We know that.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
My iPads must get 85 hours on a full battery charge.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I know, at full brightness in the sun, right
exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
While running 15 videos at once.
Yes, sorry.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, no, I think it all depends, though, because you
do trials.
But is that really true life?
Whatever True, that's what Ithink.
It's only fair that it's off alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I didn't realize that a majority of the Tesla semis
on the road are for internal use, or for their lone major
customer, as they put it,pepsico.
I didn't know that.
I guess I thought we were alittle more advanced in the
electric semis, but apparentlywe aren't.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
No, we're still really early on.
So, tesla, I forget what theirprojection was for when they put
the semis on the road when theyfirst announced them, but they
kind of fell behind on that,which is not unusual.
Pepsi was one of the firstcompanies to put a large order
in.
And so far, most of the semishave been going to Pepsi in
California for a lot of testing,because they're close to well
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where Tesla's headquarters usedto be at the time, sure, so
that's where most of their semishave been going.
There aren't a whole lot ofthem on the road compared to
other manufacturers, but Pepsi'sbeen doing a lot of testing
with them in and out of likeReno, from Sacramento and San
Francisco, where they're gettingsome range, but also getting
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the Donner.
You're going up Donner Pass, sothey're getting that as well.
So there's a lot of good testarea right there for Pepsi.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They're hoping to mass produce, starting this year
out of a new place in Nevada.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, rolling out 50,000 new vehicles per year.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
That's their goal.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And they're hoping to get into Europe and the rest of
the world soon.
It says here.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, Musk made that announcement not too long.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Or not.
Announcement.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't think it was announcement.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It was a very excited statement.
You know how they do these days.
They don't really nobodyannounces anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They just half-handedly say something mid
Right, exactly, and then it'sthe announcement.
It's the announcement.
It's no longer the.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I didn't know this fun fact, but medium and heavy
trucks account for more than aquarter of national fuel use,
despite representing only 4% ofthe vehicles on the road.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense because think of the
miles.
I don't like that percentage orthat figure because it doesn't
factor into the number of miles.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Now, if they would have said car miles or vehicle
miles, then it would have beendifferent.
Vehicle miles, then it wouldhave been different.
But that's not the case,because you know, one 18-wheeler
does easily 150,000 miles ayear and some do 200, some do
100.
It just depends on whatindustry you're in.
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Your car's not doing 150,000miles a year.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
No, I was just going to say it's a 2014.
It's got 180,000 miles on it in11 years, versus a truck that
we put on the road and two yearslater it's got 250 on it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, 2014,.
One of our 2014 trucks, I meanthat'd be.
I can't imagine what it wouldbe if we stopped those in the
fleet.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
We don't anymore but I just.
How many trucks does SIA have?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
roughly.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
About 5,000.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's what the article says.
Oh, I'm sorry I missed thatpart.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
They've grown significant over the past few
years.
I mean, they were one of thepeople that bought a bunch of
the yellow terminals as well, oh, so this article is very
opinionated.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And so it's definitely very I mean, it's
very left-leaning.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
The article.
The source of this article isthe cooldown.
The cooldown is a green energy.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Initiative company yes, exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
So their entire platform does lean, green and
clean, so I expect that from thecool down Not a bad thing, no,
but if you understand thatthat's the platform of this
website, then you expect to seethat.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, what I like, too, is everything at the top of
the article is very fact andgood Sure, and it's only that
last couple sentences that showtheir agenda, which is great.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I think there's a place for electric.
We're not going to see it inlong haul over the road trucks
for quite some time.
I think the companies that aretesting them are using them in
LTL where they're doing, youknow, hub to hub, and they have
the facilities to charge Pepsi'sdoing them on local routes as
well, to charge Pepsi's doingthem on local routes as well.
So we're not seeing anythinggoing from California to New
(31:11):
York in an electric vehicle in afast amount of time that's not
the word I'm looking for, butefficiently.
We're just not seeing that inelectric.
Yet they're working on it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, the benefit of having you know.
Sia didn't buy one truck, theybought two to test right.
Sure, and there's a reason.
You drive one from one LTLterminal to the next Right.
You drop the trailers and thetruck, charge the truck, grab
the next electric drive it backto the other terminal, sure.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Park it and you're done.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That driver's done for the day and you're charging
both trucks Like it's not like amistake that they bought two
like that.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
No, it's not, it's planned.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And a lot of these companies.
If you see them, their maps arevery round-robin or it's very
short out and backs.
And you know, electric's greatfor inner city.
I do.
I'm a big fan of electric buses.
The fact that we are stillreally pushing diesel inner city
buses blows my mind.
Because you can do electric.
(32:15):
They can run the city all daylong and then charge all night
and then run the city all daylong again.
Zero pollution.
I mean.
How many of us have been nextto the road and had a bus pass
us and it's like cough cough,the smell, the smoke or whatever
you can.
In electric you can make thatdisappear, sure.
And the city doesn't have tobuy electricity or electricity.
(32:37):
The city doesn't have to buygas or diesel or natural gas or
anything like that.
Like it makes sense.
And plus I mean municipalities.
Municipalities, no, they don'tall have a lot of money, but
government is more likely togive money to government so like
um, the federal government'smore likely to give a local
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municipality or a school boardor something like that, money to
buy those electric vehicles.
And again, they only useelectricity when they're running
.
So having to make several stopsin town isn't burning through
electricity.
Now, air conditioning, heatingis, so there is a degree of like
in the extremes.
Like in laredo, where you'rerunning ac all the time, all the
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time you're killing yourbattery.
Up in the north, where you'rerunning your battery heating up
all the time, that definitelyimpacts it as well.
So there are those that thatthat part needs to be worked out
.
Uh, but still, that's that'swhere I see the best use of it.
Or, garbage trucks.
Garbage trucks, another exampleof horrible emissions, because
(33:38):
they're just going so slow andit takes a lot of power to start
it and and and so they'rewasting so much diesel.
Uh, when they start going andso much emissions come out right
when they start going and thenthey're immediately stopping.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because they're getting the next start-stop.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Start-stop yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So it's like the worst thing you can do.
So electric eliminates that andagain, while they're dumping it
, the garbage truck is usingzero power.
So I definitely think there'ssome applications right now that
we can do to improve and thinkabout it.
Garbage truck, city buses,that's in the city sure like
that directly impactseverybody's um quality of air
(34:21):
yeah so the over the highwaytruck running through arizona
right now, not really impactingnearly as much as the garbage
truck and the recycling truckthat passes in front of my house
every twice a week, or the dumptruck that comes through here,
or the mail truck that goesthrough, you know, I remember
(34:43):
when that article came out thatthe US Postal Service had
abandoned what was it like?
Half the order that they weregoing to do electric.
They made gas instead ofelectric.
I thought, like what ashort-sightedness of that.
It just what a perfect chanceto get a lot of emissions off
the road and they blew it Likeit.
(35:03):
Just that made me so angry whenI saw that.
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
They got to save money, but there's still such a
thing as an oil lobby.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
True.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
That still wants their piece of the pie because
they've got such an investment.
But at some point we've got tolook at that and go okay, I get
it big oil, but let's look atother stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, that's slowly happening, right it is slowly
happening.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
We're still a long way away from mass adoption of
electric vehicles On theconsumer level as well as the
commercial level.
We don't have theinfrastructure for charging like
we'd like to have.
People still don't understandelectric and its uses.
They're still tied to internalcombustion engines, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, I agree.
I honestly like so many ofthese people that I know that
I'm friends with that havesports cars or love sports cars
and they hate electric.
I'm like we need to go for aride in a real, like a real
electric car Sure.
Not a $20,000 one, but likelet's go do the $100,000.
Plaid.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Tesla Roadster, tesla .
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Roadster or Tesla Plaid.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
And you will change your mind.
And there's still a place forinternal combustion engines.
If you want to get out there inyour sports car and spend the
money on the fuel, go for it.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
If you like the sound .
Speaker 2 (36:20):
There you go.
Who was it?
I saw it might have been BMW orthe Volkswagen Group was
talking about.
No, I'm sorry, it was Cadillac.
It might have been Cadillac.
Anyways, they're talking aboutengineering the sound for their
electric car so that you stillget that.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's what Corvette did too.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, you get that like.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Rumble, that rumble yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Oh man, I just think it's hysterical, Like hear the
rumble of my electric motor Ifmy electric motor, if my
electric car has to have a sound.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I want it to be the Jetsons.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I think if you send something to Musk, he probably
would program that in for you.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Probably would.
I can't be the first person tothink about that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The reverse is move, Get out the way.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I saw a meme the other day that George Jetson
turns three this year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I did too.
That's funny.
Where's my freaking spaceshipand why am I not living?
In a cloud city.
I don't know, you know why Iloved the Jetsons growing up,
because I was a Star Wars nutand I loved the cloud city and
the Empire Strikes Back.
I always thought that was socool.
Well, that's enough talkingabout news.
How's your week been so far,melissa?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Well, hmm, we recorded last Saturdays before
we had gone on a two-truckmission, you and I.
That was a long two days.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Look at your smile.
It was not long for you.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Why was it not?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
long for me.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It was not near as long as mine.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I feel, like I wasted Wednesday.
I'm like.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Can I go back to bed and do Wednesday again?
Well, aren't Wednesdays forwasting?
Apparently, the best part ofWednesday was it was Rhoda,
wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Yes, it was.
Rhoda.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Rhoda.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
At Chili's at the John Glenn Columbus Airport.
She was the most amazing humanever for five and a half hours
of my life and she hooked me upin a booth in Chili's and I just
sat tight.
My flight got delayed threetimes and then I rebooked to a
(38:45):
much later flight and it didn'tmake sense to come all the way
home because it's about a30-minute drive from the airport
for two hours of my own home togo back then and redo check-in
and it just didn't.
It was silly, but she hooked meup.
She got me some complimentarychips and salsa.
I sat there and listened tosome podcasts for my one hour
(39:08):
flight at six o'clock.
So at any rate the drive waslovely.
It was kind of nice to get backout and drive, you know, 400
plus miles and it was abeautiful sunny day.
We hit the snow storms inbetween that last week.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It just, we hit traffic in between this, like
that last week.
Yep, it just yeah, we hittraffic in between the cities in
between traffic.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You commented on Indianapolis.
You're like I've never seen itlike this before.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It was dead.
It was dead, there was nobody.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
It was before rush hour.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It was before rush hour, it was about 2 o'clock, 3
o'clock, yeah, and we justscooted right through there, I
think, slowed all the way downto 55 miles an hour.
Whoa it was.
And that was only one spot, andthen it was open again.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Maybe three miles worth.
It wasn't very long.
Yeah, it wasn't very long atall, because we exited.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, it was great, Beautiful drive.
I ended up so right before that, so the day before that flight,
I ended up getting a littlesick.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
You did.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Not very sick, just a little bit sick, and then, uh,
I got worse.
The day of the dry or the dayof the travel the day of the
travel and in the airport I waslike I don't feel really good.
And then I flew to detroit andin detroit I'm like I really
don't feel good.
And then I flew on to missouriand that's when, when we came
(40:29):
into land, my ear wouldn't popand it I was like tears coming
down my face.
It was hurting so bad.
I mean, as soon as I got to theairport the first thing I did
was drop my bag down and bust itopen and grab Advil and a
decongestant to try to likeplease something yeah um, the
good news is, you know, sevenhours later it, hours later it
(40:51):
cleared up enough when it wasn'tpainful, but it still felt like
I had a pillow Stuffed in myear, and then the next day
showing up.
It was a little bit of drama Atthe pick up, but we're not
going to get into that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
No, but I did ask him Am I your bad luck charm?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I'm going to stop coming with you to pick up new
trucks.
I told him that.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Because when we went to Dallas last time it wasn't
bad luck, I just there was ashift in plans for the.
This is last year when thethree of us went Vince I and
Patrick but there was a shift inplans and I ended up actually
staying and taking a truck to AAand flew right back, so
literally it was an all-dayairport adventure for me, maybe
(41:35):
you and airports are bad luck.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
No more flight dates At any rate we did end up
leaving St Louis with two trucks, which was the goal and the
plan.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And what was super nice was, while I was inside
handling the drama, you actuallywere able to go outside.
You started pre-tripping boththe trucks and you got the signs
put on the truck.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I did.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And did everything to make us DOT legal.
So when I came out there, mypre-trip was abbreviated because
you'd already handled most ofit, so that was super nice.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I didn't want to get home at midnight.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, and then we hit the road and I remember telling
you like we're going to stopbecause I needed water.
I was like we're going to needto stop as soon as we get to the
first truck stop.
And the first truck stop waslike three miles down the road.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And it was a love and it was a loves which is where
we go.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And you were like you want to stop here?
And I'm like no, and you saidlike oh, you want to get some
miles underneath you orsomething like that or whatever.
And I'm like how are you doing?
She's like I'm good.
So I was like let's roll on.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And we ended up rolling on to like it was a
pilot that we ended up stoppingat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That was a bathroom break.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
more than anything, it wasn't effing him.
It was in the middle ofIllinois.
It might have been Was iteffing him At any rate, we ended
up.
He's like really, you can'tmake it to Tara hot.
And I'm like how far is Tarahot?
It was effing him.
He's like an hour and a half.
Nope, Nope, the bladder's notgoing to make it an hour and a
half.
So we stopped at the pilot.
He got water.
We did just kind of a doublecheck.
We picked up some washer fluidbecause I had noted that both of
(43:13):
our fluids were rather low inthe trucks, and just in case we
needed it.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Who knew what the weather was?
Well, we were between those twostorms, so we didn't know if we
were going to catch them.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
And I think after that we made the one other stop
on the other side ofIndianapolis.
We made the one other stop onthe other side of Indianapolis
and we were pretty golden.
We literally entered FranklinCounty or Columbus Ohio
outskirts and while the sun wasdown there was still a light
glow of the sunset in my sidemirrors and I'm like we kind of
(43:46):
got back before the sun wentdown.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Of course, pulling in a storage lot it's completely
dark, no lights.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It was good I did catch a cold.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
We're going to blame it on Kelly McDonald.
I hear that's where itoriginated from.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
We're going to call her patient zero.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But all in all my weekend was great.
If anybody wants to know,zucchini bread and Vince and I
we went and tried a new coffeeplace out in Plain City.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Looking forward to going back.
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, at least it's close and convenient.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Right next to Costco.
Well, it was kind of atwo-for-one.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
It's about five miles past Costco.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Oh, Plain City.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I was thinking what's the city over there next to
where Fight is at Jefferson?
Speaker 5 (44:33):
West Jefferson.
There is a sign on that exitfor Plain City, West Jefferson.
Okay, Plain City is really notthat bad.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I retract my sarcastic comment.
It's beyond Costco.
It's beyond Costco, just beyondCostco.
Plain City is just beyondCostco.
Can you get coffee?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
inside of Costco.
Have you tried that yet?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
No, that's not a specialty shop.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
You can buy coffee beans inside of Costco.
True, but what was it calledRooster Hen?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That's not far I should have it, shouldn't I?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Hen and the Chick?
I don't think they do.
Red Hen, was it Red Hen?
Speaker 5 (45:04):
They were busy.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
They are.
They have a place to be.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yeah, we got there just in time.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So it was good, it was good.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Delicious.
So finally, you go to a goodone and you don't take us.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
Well, how do we know?
You were sick?
You were offered.
You decided to stay home.
I did get that text.
It was a safe decision, yeah itwas.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Saturday morning I did get that text message of how
are you feeling, Because I feltpretty good Friday night we
still socially distanced anddidn't get together.
No, and I was like, oh, youwere chatting back and forth.
I'm like, okay, let's see how Ifeel tomorrow.
And Saturday morning I woke upand I'm like it's not happening.
Yeah, which is fine, and wecan't take Jerry to new coffee
places, jerry's a coffee snob.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
We can't take Jerry to new coffee places.
Jerry's a coffee snob.
We can only take him there oncewe go there and tried it and we
know we like it.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Tried it a few times.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Right and we hope and pray that Jerry likes it and
Jerry approves.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Do you go to new coffee places or are you just a
Starbucks fan, Jerry?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I'll go to new coffee places we just don't get out
that often yeah.
It was cold this past weekend,so I just stayed in.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I needed meat Meat in the freezer for the week, so
I'm like we're going to go pastCostco.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I stayed home and played Playstation all weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Did you win?
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Maybe it wasn't the kind of game where you win.
Maybe it's a quest kind of game.
I'm just speculating Could beBoggle?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I'm just speculating.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Could be Boggle.
I'm more into puzzle games.
Horror role playing there yougo.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Did y'all know he was a gamer?
Speaker 5 (46:38):
No, I did not know Not until we were there for
Christmas and his mom bought himsomething for his PlayStation
or something.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Well, I didn't even know that.
When did y'all talk?
Speaker 5 (46:46):
about that christmas when we're at his house.
When I was there talking aboutthe gifts his mom gave him yeah,
we rode together, so I mighthave been making green beans at
that time.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
You may have been.
You're right, you may have been.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
I think you were counting out the uh dried onions
.
I think you had the rightamount I think it was funny.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I showed up so like we got together at their house.
Is this secret or no?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
no, I think we've already talked about it.
I I think we did too Lastweekend.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But we got together at your house and I rolled up
and we were there several hoursearly to play games and I asked
you, like can I borrow yourstove for the green beans?
And you said yeah.
I said cool, so I show up with,you know, the green beans
uncooked, the raw onions, likeall my ingredients, all my
accoutrement, all twoingredients.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Three ingredients, all my accoutrement, all two
ingredients.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
Three.
He had the salted pork thistime.
That's right, he did SpecialChristmas version.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
There was more than three and I go there and Don's
like I thought you were going tobring done green beans and we
were just going to keep themwarm and I'm like no, I just
figured we'd cook them now.
I mean, it's a lot easier tobring it all over in parts and
pieces than it is to have tofigure out how to get liquidy
beans to your house and I don'thave.
(47:53):
So my mom had all this stuffand now I understand why she had
it Like Tupperware with likenot Tupperware, I'm sorry
Corningware, which is like theseporcelain dishes, but they all
had these rubber lids that wouldsnap on.
And she has like all this stuffto be able to go places and
(48:15):
transport.
I got none of that.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
The little three quart Instapot would be good for
your green beans because youdon't have to use it as an
Instapot.
You could use it like as acrock pot, as a warmer, but it
has the lock lid so you couldjust pick up and travel around
wherever you want, nothingspills.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
How many people could I feed with that, you think?
Because I'd like something that?
Because typically if we gettogether there's six to ten of
us.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
It's enough.
The size of the container isabout what you use with your
bigger pan.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
All right, Because beans for those of you that
don't know, green beans are kindof like my brain to think.
If one of y'all makes greenbeans better than me, I'll give
over the reins.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
No, next time you do it, I'll remember to loan you
mine and see if it works for you, and then you'll know if it's
something that would be worththe purchase.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
And then I'll have to find out if the budget allows.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah, that would be a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
So Keeney Bread, how goes it here?
How goes it Well.
You and I were talking todaythat you're at like two and a
half three weeks.
Yeah, yeah and yeah, I'm stillhere.
Woo, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Do you feel you've accomplished anything?
Speaker 3 (49:29):
A few things.
There you go.
Crickets, do you have?
Speaker 4 (49:36):
the cricket pen over here I'm waiting for you to
elaborate.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
That's probably best.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
That's probably best.
I was actually talking to KellyMcDonald Patient Zero, as we
affectionately call her, yes andI was telling her how I felt
bad because as soon as you cameon board I was already on a
cruise in the middle of theocean.
So for the first three or fourdays I didn't even get a chance
to really talk to you or hangout or anything.
And then come back and I, whatdid we do?
(50:08):
You were sick.
It was get sick go get was, getsick, go get a truck, go get
another truck, like all theselike I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is like the worst welcome to thecompany uh there could be,
especially being your role isgonna be working so closely with
me, eric kelly's.
Like you know, she's like everyday working with jerry, kayla
(50:28):
or me or Melissa, or going tothe Yard Events or whatever
she's like.
By the time you finally do getto catch up with her, she's
going to have this great bed ofknowledge that she already knows
, so that hopefully it'll be aneasier transition.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'm like oh, I never thought about that.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, so you got high praise from Kelly.
Well, thank you, that's whatI'm saying I've been trying.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
She did learn some of the little things, right, yeah,
so I've got, like she said, anidea of getting to this side of
the business, as opposed to justbeing the driver's side of the
business, you know, learning thedifferent side makes a
difference.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
We definitely operate our company a lot different
than someone who's operating acompany from the cockpit of
their truck.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
She was sending back dishes today, satellite dishes.
Maybe there was a misorder.
She needed some tape and wescrunched through the junk
bucket that we've got.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
There was no tape in the junk drawer.
Yeah, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
She had duct tape white duct tape and purple duct
tape to seal the boxes withGuess what color.
She went with Purple, of courseshe's a FedEx Duh.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
Purple yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
That's my favorite color too.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
I'm like she's shipping them FedEx.
That would be funny, right.
I looked over at the boxes.
I'm like, oh, you want purple,huh.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
We've got to break that dedication.
It's red and black now.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's red and black Anyway.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I needed the clear for the label so I wanted to
make sure I had enough that thelabel wouldn't get destroyed.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I was giving her a hard time.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, that was a weird situation that happened.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
It was.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
That company.
I get props to that company.
I do look forward to doing morebusiness with them, because
we're several weeks past thereturn policy and they still
made it right.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I'm glad I opened that up.
I'm glad you did too.
It was a mispick.
So we ordered these satellitedomes in white and they sent it
to them in black.
And you know, all the trucksare white, so a black dome would
look kind of silly up there andthe pick list did say white.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Yeah, everything said white.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
And they made it right.
They sent us the new ones askedfor the old ones back, didn't
charge anything.
Great customer service.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Nice Big time props for them.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Look forward to working with them some more.
But yeah, Cool.
Well, anybody got anything else?
Eric, you got anything.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I haven't heard you say anything yet.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Not this week, not this week.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Not this week, all right.
Well, in the meantime, ifthere's anything we're
forgetting to say, jerry willchime in right now.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Make sure you hit that thumbs up button.
Caught me off guard.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
That was a little lag .
Speaker 4 (53:22):
I should have known what was coming Comes every week
.
Make sure you hit the thumbs upbutton.
Go ahead and hit the subscribebutton if you haven't done so.
It really does help us out withthe algorithm and a lot of you
are watching but not subscribed.
I did want to throw out here atthe end that we actually hit
our most downloads on the audioversion.
(53:43):
Wow, wow, yay.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
Big props to everybody.
We got to three.
Finally, in one week, the audioversion hit 100 downloads.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Wow, yay, big props to everybody.
We got to three final no In oneweek.
The audio version hit 100downloads.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
Wow, wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
So that was really really great.
Zucchini bread.
People are interested.
Speaker 5 (54:02):
They want to know how she sounds.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
If you're interested in learning more about Highfield
and everything that we havegoing on over here, make sure
you check us out athighfiltruckingcom.
Give us a chat over there.
Online, you can talk withrecruiting.
You can give us a call at833-HIGHFIELD or 833-493-4353.
And one of our lovely ladies inrecruiting would love to speak
(54:24):
to you and give you all theinformation you require.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Option one.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Option one Monday through Friday 8 to 6 pm Eastern
Standard Time.
Yeah, if you have anysuggestions for the show, reach
out to us at theouterbellpodcastat gmailcom, and Mr Patrick
will be happy to respond to you,because he gets that.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
I will, if you have anything for me, just send it
right there.
It's easy peasy Access to thetalent.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
The Outer Belt to the talent.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
The talent At the Outer Belt podcast.
At gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Always forget that at gmail part it's important.
Well, it's easy to forget.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
That's the thing Until next week.
Thank you so much for hangingout with us.
Everybody, stay safe and makegood decisions.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
Keep those wheels a turning.
You're around the circle.
He's last.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
He does say, it Say his line oh wow.
Don't leave money on the table.
That sounds familiar.
What did you say?
I said he's supposed to saydon't leave money on the table,
literally looking like that'smine.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
That sounds familiar strangely enough.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
What did you say?
I said he's supposed to saydon't leave money on the table.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
I said keep those words of turban.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
He didn't even catch it.
I'm waiting on you to say yourline.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
That's why I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
He did that on purpose.
I thought you were going toroll with it.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
I did, and don't leave money on the table, woo.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
All right?
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Do we want to redo that?
No, no, let it roll.
Let it roll.
It seems silly.
Speaker 5 (55:55):
It's a lot, that was a lot.
We're silly If they're stilllistening.
They're dedicated hardcore,that's right.
Good night, we love them,goodnight Bye.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Thank you.
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