When Your Truck Betrays You: The Fear of Red Check Engine Lights

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
yeah hey everybody, welcome to the outabout.
I'm patrick and you all knowthe crew I'm chili buttermilk
eric zucchini bread and jerry ohman, it's a beautiful day we've

(00:21):
had such great weather.
It is another one of theseweeks, you know for long y'all
hear us talk about how horriblethe weather is, how terrible
everything is.
It's so cold.
The tire froze off the truck.
That's never happened.
It's never happened to me, butit could, it could, it could.
Yeah, it was cold enough.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I believe it?
Oh, they say they're going toget 20-something inches of snow
this year.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I saw that I'm looking forward to it.
I can't wait, can't wait 20inches, or feet Inches.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Inches.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I just needed that clarified.
They are male, so we're notsure.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Back checking over here.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
We are starting a new division.
It's the Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, it's that division.
What Right?
Yes, Now it's the Iron.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
What's the bay up in Canada?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Moose Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I've never, been to Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, I know, but there's the famous one where
they do the oil stuff and it'sby the Arctic.
Prudhoe Bay, that could be it.
Is that like way up north?
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's the 20-footers .
Yes, that's the 20-footers.
Yes, yes, that's the 20-footers.
Yes, no, but not today, nottoday, not today, jerry.
We're not going to eat snowtoday.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And today we actually had 80-degree temperatures.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yes, it was nice Changing tomorrow.
It actually wasn't bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
We need the rain.
Here comes the rain.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
We do.
Tomorrow's high is like 68.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm like the 80 has the undertone of fall wind,
though.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It feels like spring, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, it feels like fall.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It feels like spring, but I have a feeling it's about
to start feeling like fall.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I did see, I'd rather it felt like spring, because
that means winter is stillmonths away.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I have started seeing some of the trees are starting
to change.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh, leaves are in our yard already.
We won't talk about that.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
It just means work.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, call the lawn boy Patrick.
We need you.
Your landlord's name is Patrick.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's so cool.
No, it's our lawn boy's name.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's a good name.
It's got character Patrick Lee,but what?
No, he's Irish.
You are so funny.
The Irish don't know how todeal with changing leaves.
It's just always green there.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
It's just always green, it's just always brown
leaves on the trees, yeah sonothing, but it's.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
What do they call those trees that never change?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Evergreen.
It's all evergreen.
Yes evergreens.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And when you go to Ireland and you figure out that
I'm lying, don't hold it againstme.
But you know you just mentionedDice Road Truckers.
Did you hear they're comingback?
I did hear they're coming back.
Eight-year hiatus, I did hearthat.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Oh, I was thinking hyenas, is that?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
a word yeah, hyenas, hyenas, port.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Isn't that from my Cousin, vinny, where the
lawyer's like this is a hyenascrimes?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yes, yes, I think it is.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
And he pronounces like every letter in that word.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, no, but it's been an eight-year hiatus and
the History Channel's announcedIce Road Truckers coming back.
I am excited.
I really liked Ice RoadTruckers.
Did y'all, I did yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I did like Ice Road Truckers.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Did y'all, I did, yeah, I did like Ice Road
Truckers, my mom watched it morethan I did.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think they got a little overzealous with bouncing
in their chairs, but I like theschematics and the thought
behind it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh no, I think they just removed the shocks.
I have a correction.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Prudhoe Bay is actually in Alaska, not in
Canada.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Moose Jaw is what we were talking about.
Yes, Moose Jaw.
Moose Jaw is what we werelooking for.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Squirrel, squirrel Right across the whole screen.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's a cool effect, Jerry.
How'd you do that?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know what I was looking at with the road trucker
thing is how can you be on athe what?
The ice road trucker.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's not what you said.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
How can you be on a hiatus and then?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It does seem like it would have to be, but they do
that, though, why not?
The new Ice Road Truckers andit's season one.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
They did that with Criminal Minds yes, it was on
hiatus, which was a wholedifferent network, and it came
back and picked up the sameseason it left off at.
They did that with Frasier,didn't they?
No, frasier had a differentname, I think, and it wasn't the
exact same name.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, you're right.
No, they did it with Roseanne.
So when Roseanne came back,that was like season 10 or
whatever it was.
And then she, of course, youknow.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I wonder who makes those rules Fired.
I don't think they're rules.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Next season it's going to be season eight for us.
Yeah, we're skipping right over, we're just we're doing the
Apple.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
We're pulling an Apple, yes, you know, going from
iOS 18 to iOS 26.
I thought we were going tostart charging our corporate
sponsors more.
We are going to do that too.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, yes, we're going to do that too, yep.
So I saw it looks like it'swith the original couple.
Is that what I was reading?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
there yes.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yes, it hiatus or they just didn't want to be
filmed.
For eight years the whole showwas gone for eight years.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Exactly, I think people got bored of it, honestly
, because I know I kind of didTowards the end.
It's kind of the same thingover and over and over again.
You can only watch someone pourrubbing alcohol into your brake
lines so many times.
You can only see so many truckstowed into a building to thaw
out so many times.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
You can only have so many times where they show the
ice cracking under it, oh yeah.
And you think, oh, my goodness,this is going to crack and it
doesn't.
From the same camera pointevery time.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Okay, so we got to back up.
If you don't know what Ice RoadTruckers are, history Channel
puts it on and it is about thesetruck drivers that actually
it's a documentary.
Is that what you call it,docu-series?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's reality TV.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But they're really doing it.
They're really it's not likestage, summit, stage, but they
are actually hauling freight.
I guess is what I'm trying tosay, like they're not faking
that part.
They are actually picking upfreight, running it down the ice
road and delivering it.
And so, if you don't know, incanada and in alaska, super high
up there's these huge bodies ofwater and uh, during the uh,

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winter or summertime, there's somany bogs and the and the lakes
are obviously water thatthere's no way to build a road
to get to these um oil fieldsites.
And so in the winter time youhave all this ice that they are
able to compact down and thelakes freeze over, and so you
literally build a road over theice.
So they are actually drivingover uh lakes that are just iced

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over.
They're just, they're superthick, they're like eight foot
of ice.
They're really really thick andum, and and they have a very
limited window to move as muchof this freight as they
absolutely can, because afterthat, the only way these places
get any kind of freight is viaair, and that is only very small
things.
So they'll get their foodreplenished via air, they'll get

(06:56):
mail and bring crew members inand out, by flying it in with
airplanes, by flying it in withairplanes.
But if you need a 100,000-poundpipe of whatever calloused or
whatever it may be, you only gotone way to do it.
Or even large machinery.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Like an article we read out of CDL Life.
They show a flatbed hauling aschool bus up there, but they
also take large machinery up tothe drilling sites and that type
of thing.
Those are things that you can'tnecessarily put on an airplane,
correct?
So they actually had that verysmall window during the winter
to haul the stuff up there.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
And the airplanes they have up there.
They're flying like Cessnacaravans which are like sea
Peaches no, leave that in.
So they have very smallairplanes, little single-engine
airplanes.
I mean they're bigsingle-engine airplanes but

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still they can only carry a fewthousand pounds of payload.
So again, like you said, ifthey need a new drill motor that
weighs 30,000 pounds screwed,it's not going to happen.
So yeah, so the whole show isthem doing this and, of course,
as it gets to either end of theseason, the road starts to break
down, the ice starts to melt.
The drama builds.
The drama builds.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
We've got to have this up there in three days,
otherwise the road's closed down.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Exactly, and they all have like monetary goals.
Like this year, I'm going tohaul 28 loads and make $90,000.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
It's probably like half amillion.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm probably way off with that number.
So then it's like, oh, can theyget it all in?
And someone's doing a superheavy and super heavy they can
be dealing, and the fascinatingthing is they're going dead slow
.
They're going like 10 miles anhour over the lake, because if
they go faster than that, you'llactually get a wave under the
water which could break the road.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
How many times have you heard that on the show?
I thought the pressure waveunder the water 700,000 per
season.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
So they are really really going very slow.
Now, once they get on land theycan go faster, but crossing the
actual ice they go a lot slower.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
And then there are certain stretches where they
only have one truck on the iceat a time, correct, because of
the pressure waves.
It's interesting stuff from anengineering perspective and I'm
going to tell you this right nowI'm going to apply to drive for
the next season, because thisseason that air starts airing in
October is already in the can,right, yeah, so next season I'm

(09:32):
going to drive the ice.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I'm going to apply to drive the ice, okay?
So, note to self, we're goingto lose Chile in eight years.
Yeah, so it would be fun.
It reminds me.
No, I don't think so.
It is super dangerous, right?
Sure, people die every yearwith this road.
It's a very dangerous job, sothey do get paid very, very well

(09:53):
.
It reminds me of what's thefishing thing they do up there.
They made a televisionDeadliest Catch.
Yeah, deadliest Catch.
Yeah, it reminded me a lot ofthat and my boy, todd Graves,
who founded Raising Cane's,that's what he did.
He actually went up and did thedeadliest catch, not the TV
show, but actually did thatstyle of fisherman to raise
money for Raising Cane's.

(10:15):
Now he's a billionaireInteresting, but it's super
dangerous, very dangerous.
So I'm excited to see it comeback because I feel like it's
been long enough that I'm likeall right.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I could watch this again.
Yeah, let's see what'shappening.
There's a whole new audiencefor it.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Let's see if they're using automatic transmission
After eight years.
It's a whole other generation.
A whole new generation oftrucks and now I'm curious what
are they going to do when theDEF light goes on?
Good question.
Very good question, you knowwhat I'm saying, Like what
happens when they derate halfwaythrough.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is your truck to derate as you're crossing the
ice and the ice is meltingbecause it's the last day of the
season, right, yeah, and you'recruising at two and a half mile
an hour.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do they have backups to when something happens Like
reverse gear?
No, no safety precautions inplace.
It's been a while since I'vewatched an episode and I
honestly don't know if I've everwatched a full episode.
But like, what if you get sickin the middle of your road and
you need immediate attentionHeart attack, let's say?

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Or what if you do break throughthe ice?
Are you wearing a life jacket?
I mean like, is there ahelicopter coming to rescue you
or are you just kind of SOL outthere in the middle of no man's
land on ice?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So, from what I can remember, there are tow trucks
staged, aren't there?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I think I remember I believe there are tow trucks in
like safety vehicles along theroute.
It's been a long time.
I remember there beingsomething about safety vehicles.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I remember that too, and I remember stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I remember people having health issues and
ambulances getting to them okay,so obviously they've got
something in place yeah, becauseI would think it's super cold.
So I'm thinking lots of anti-geland oh yeah not letting your
engine shut off, yeah well, theydid talk about that how once
you go up there for ice roadtrucking, you turn your engine

(12:08):
on and it stays on and it neverturns back off.
So like most people, like yourSwifts, your Primes, all those
guys, when you turn your engineon and you just leave it on idle
, after five or ten minutesit'll turn itself off.
Those actually Freightliner andDetroit Diesel have a
programming on there.
When the temperature dropsbelow, I think, it's zero, maybe

(12:31):
ten degrees, something likethat, it will actually let the
truck just idle.
So it knows if the temperatureis cold enough we just need to
let the engine run.
But if you gel, you know you'rekind of screwed.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
And they all have, like all the trucks, remember
all have those blankets aroundthe fuel tanks and stuff.
Because even though you'rerecircling circulating hot
diesel on 300 gallons, theoutsides are going to start to
gel up against that tank wallbecause it's so cold and if that
flakes off and starts to get inyour engine you could have
pretty serious issues.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, October 1st, huh.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
We should have a watch party.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
How do you watch it outside of?
I don't have cable, so I'mgoing to have to figure out how
to watch it.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, but I mean it might be on some of the
streaming networks.
Maybe, I mean Hooster Channelis got to be somewhere on a
streaming network, right?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
YouTube TV or Fubo or something.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
So I subscribed and this is something y'all might be
interested in.
I subscribed to History Channelon YouTube and they have
full-length episodes of tons oftheir programming free on
YouTube.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
So like they used to have a series Modern Marvels.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, I love that series, Love that series.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
All those episodes are free on YouTube.
How it's Made.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
How it's Made was the science channel.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Let's not get confused, it's still a good show
.
No, it's still a good show.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
I like the history channel.
Me and Don watched the wholeseries.
They have quite a few differentones, but the food that built
America, the companies thatbuilt America, the men that
built America.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I saw that one about the Vanderbilts and Anderson
Cooper and no, he wasn't part ofit.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Not yet.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
But the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
The Carnegie's, the Carters Carnegie Hall.
Thank you, carnegie.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Carnegie, yes, but I don't know how to say what about
the Hatfield and McCoys?
Carnegie, they did not.
Carnegie, thank you, that's howyou say it.
No, no, hatfield and McCoys.
I think the Hatfield and McCoyswere English, weren't they?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh, I'm like I thought they were British, they
had the place over by oldCheshire Cheese House.
Yes, if I remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh, I don't know, but the Hatfield McCoys are very
Western era.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh, that's not American.
I mean, that is American.
Yes, I'm pretty sure it'sAmerican, I don't.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
They were dueling like ranches or outlaws.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I know nothing Like Billy the Kid and whatever his
nemesis was West.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Virginia or something .

Speaker 2 (15:16):
The answer had Bill McCoy's.
I know nothing about that.
What about the?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Ewings, the Ewings Did.
They help build America.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
If I'm not mistaken, he was an amazing basketball
player.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Oh, I meant JR.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
And Bobby.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh God he has no clue .

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Patrick Ewing.
You don't know who PatrickEwing is.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Of course she knows who Patrick Ewing is.
Did you know that, miss Ewing?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
was my fifth grade teacher.
You don't know who JR Ewing is,of course I do.
So anyways, you don't know whoJR Ewing is, of course I do.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
So, anyways, he was definitely part of a dynasty.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
He was on Duck.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Dynasty right.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
There was also Dynasty Duck.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Dynasty Duck.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Dynasty, sure Well that's good to know that YouTube
has free history channels.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yes, so tons of free content if you want to watch it.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Vince is going to be watching it.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The other thing I was going to say is, right now,
eric and I, speaking of all thisin history, are watching the
Long Way Home.
So if y'all don't know, ewanMcGregor and his buddy Charlie
Borman, that's the one.
They have done several showsand if you like motorcycles, you
might really, and if you don't,you still might really like it.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
They've done.
If you like motorcycles, youmight really, and if you don't,
you still might really like it.
They've done the If you liketravel, if you like travel to
unique places.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's a really great show they have.
And they did the Long Way Down,which is they left England
either England or Scotland, Idon't remember which and they
actually rode their twomotorcycles all the way down to
South Africa.
And that actually rode theirtwo motorcycles all the way down
to South Africa, yeah, and thatwas a whole show.
You watched the whole thing,which was really cool because

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they had a.
The director or producer of oneof those was an American, and
so there's countries in Africathat as Americans we can't go to
, right, and so it was kind ofcool to see how they
logistically worked all that out.
But being that Charlie and Ewanare both British, they were
able to go to those countries,and so, you know, it's neat to
see that side of the world thatwe don't have a chance of going

(17:14):
to because we're not allowed.
So then they do the long wayaround, which is they actually
rode their motorcycles againfrom Scotland or England through
Europe, through Russia.
They rode them through thePacific Ocean.
That was impressive to watchthat was very impressive.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm like, were they on paddle?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
tires, yes, and you know the continuous filling of
the gasoline for the bikes wideopen.
They took a ferry across toAlaska and they rode Alaska down
to America and then our US tothe United States or, I guess,
to Canada and the United Statesand then over to New York City
and back home.
That was really cool to watchas well.
And they have another one, andI can't remember what it's

(17:58):
called, but it was from the USdown to Long Way.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Is that the one on electric bikes?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yes, that was Longway Up.
They started down in SouthAmerica.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Ushuaia, whatever it's called, and rode up.
That trip was supposed to endin Seattle, I think, and it
ended in LA because they had somany challenges with the
electric bikes.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think that was a really cool concept, just
probably a little too ahead ofits time.
You know what I mean yeah, Iagree.
If they tried to do it now, theelectric bikes have come so far
that they probably would havebeen better off.
You said they had problems inCalifornia.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
No, they had problems along the way with the
infrastructure for charging them.
They worked with I can't thinkof the company's name now that
and that company actually builtum like mobile charging stations
to use along the way to chargethe bikes, because they just the
infrastructure just wasn'tthere all the way up from south

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ushaya to ushaya, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You mean they don't have Tesla superchargers in the
middle of the Amazon rainforest?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, they were actually riding Harley-Davidson
live wires.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Live wires.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Now just live wire, no longer Harley-Davidson.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Still sold at your local Harley-Davidson dealer?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, exactly the infrastructure, just wasn't
there for it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
So that one we haven't seen yet.
We do need to watch that one,but we're watching the Long Way
Home.
So they talked about howthey've done these epic journeys
, but they've never touredaround Europe, so they're
literally doing a big circlearound Europe and back home.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
So the first one actually was Long Way Round,
Okay, was it?
Then they did Long Way Down,Long Way Up and now Long Way
Home.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Okay, I got that a little out of order.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I, and now long way home.
Okay, I got that a little outof order.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I beg for your forgiveness and mercies.
How exciting.
Sounds like a neat show.
Well, so they're doing it nowaround in the schtick they're
doing, or whatever it is.
The hook they're doing isthey're on antique motorcycles.
So one guy's driving a BMW fromlike I don't know back when
Vince was a kid in the 50s, andthe other one is riding a Moto
Guzzi.

(20:08):
Okay, and it's a cop motorcycleso it has a siren still on it.
But it's cool watching all thedifficulties and challenges
they're having with these oldmotorcycles.
And they always start the seriesout by showing you, kind of
leading up to it.
So the first episode or two areusually here's the planning

(20:28):
stages, here's the general idea.
Okay, well, if this is closed,what are we going to do here?
Like coming up with all theredundancies and stuff.
They do actually bring tentsand they camp outside in places
and all.
So it's been fascinating kindof watching this happen.
So I say all that to say wejust watched an episode and they

(20:49):
are in Norway and they aremeeting with the Vikings, but
they're in Minnesota.
No, the original Vikingsthey're in Minnesota, not the
Minnesota Vikings.
The Norwegian Vikings, oh, theNorwegian Vikings.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
What sport do they?
Play Death and Conquer, devourand Conquer.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
They love Risk.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Risk, great game.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
You got two days Risk .
Yes, it's wonderful.
So they're at this Vikingvillage and they're talking with
them all and they all get thebig chain metal and all that
stuff on and they're just thesehuge swords and everything.
And Ewan tries some of it onand he takes a sword and he's
like, of course, my sword's alittle different, it was made of

(21:34):
light and he just goes on thiswhole Star Wars.
He doesn't ever say Star Wars,but if you know what he's
talking about it's like oh okay,I see what you're doing there.
It's very funny.
So it's nice seeing someonetalking about Star Wars up
against this Viking.
Anywho, I recommend the show.
I think it's a lot of fun.
I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

(21:55):
It does really make me want toget the Suzuki out and take it
for a ride.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Who went for a ride on Monday?
I went for a ride Monday.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I and take it for a ride.
We went for a ride Monday.
I never get invited to those.
It was Monday.
They weren't there when I gotback.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think you were asleep when we left?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Probably yeah, that definitely was.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Maybe I'll just ride down there.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
That would be cool.
Both of y'all could you, couldyou could?
Melissa.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Would you care to explain?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
What are we doing?
Would you care to explain?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
She's dodging the questions, we are going to
Bardstown Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
For the third year For the Bards.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Festival.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
The Bards Festival.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, watch a lot of Shakespeare.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
It'll be our third year.
Romeo, oh Romeo.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Wherefore art thou?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Bourbon.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Excellent question.
On that note, romeo.
Wherefore art thou Bourbon?
Excellent question, excellent.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
On that note cheers.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So it's KBF or Kentucky Bourbon Festival.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I saw that next year is going to be their 35th year
of doing this, what I saw it ontheir socials.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I thought they were like five years old, wow, okay.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
It is our third year of going, the four of us Eric,
you, vince and I.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And we're going to meet some friends down there as
well.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
We are, and we've kind of morphed it each time we
go each year, and I'm reallyexcited to see how this year
kind of pans out, something alittle bit different than the
last two.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Well, this is going to come out afterwards, so if
you want to spoil it, you can.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't want to spoil it.
Is this coming out afterwards?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Afterwards, yep.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Oh, I don't know how to spoil it.
Somebody else spoil it.
I already said we're doing KBF.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
So we're actually going to take a field trip.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
A field trip, a field trip from the Burbank.
That's how the change is.
Yeah, yeah, a field trip.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
A field trip from the bourbon.
That's how the change is.
Yeah, yeah, so it's a three-dayfestival.
You really don't need all threedays.
You really don't.
You really need two, and you doneed two.
One is not enough.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
No One's not enough Not for bourbon taste.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
No, it's bourbon.
Yeah, exactly One is give you,so to be clear.
So it's a festival where theytalk about bourbon and there's
maybe 300 bourbons to choosefrom, not 300 distilleries, but

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300 total that you can actuallytry and they give you the
tiniest of samples.
It is literally just a taste,and then you know some of it.
If you don't like it, you canspit it out, like a wine tasting
has or whatever.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Pour it on the ground .

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Pour it on the ground , or even, if you do like it,
you can spit out the rest,because you don't have to
swallow it.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Correct, absolutely.
It is a really cool festival.
It's mostly older people.
When I say older people, I meanlike in 30s and up, so it's not
you definitely have to be 21 orolder, you do but there's not a
lot of people in that 20 yearcategory.
So it's not like a party, likethey have bluegrass music

(24:53):
playing, like they'll bring abluegrass band.
So I'll have people theretalking about the industry or
talking about new things.
Like, uh, a couple years ago Iremember they had a guy talking
about um, what they were doingat their distillery where they
were using smaller barrels andpressure to age the bourbon
faster.
I know that doesn't work.
That didn't work, but still,it's just a bunch of people

(25:17):
there just enjoying bourbon.
It's not a like hey, let's gethammered.
No, it's not it really isn't,it's nothing like that.
But if you did try all of them,you would.
You would, you'd get hammered.
And even when we go, I wouldsay we probably visit 75 of the
of the booths.
Right, there's some, you justskip right over, um, but 75 of

(25:38):
the booths, and even there eachbooth may have three or four
selections for you, but youreally, you really only get one
or two, sure, uh, unless it, Imean, there's a couple favorites
.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, we're going to try your online and it's your
big name distilleries, and thenit's craft distilleries.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Absolutely.
They separate it out reallynicely, so craft on one side and
big name on the other.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Food, food vendors, craft vendors.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, oh, the barbecue and the mac and cheese Barbecue
and the mac and cheese.
Anyways, you need carbs.
So, yeah, so this year, halfwaythrough it, on Saturday, we're
actually going to leaveBardstown, which you're like,
but you're in Bardstown for thefestival, right?
Yeah, we're leaving and we'regoing out to Frankfurt and we're

(26:19):
going to go do a tour ofCastling Key Distilling we are
and Woodford, woodford woodfordreserve.
So, uh, take our friends outthere.
They've never been, we havebeen, and these are like two of
our favorite uh distilleries togo to.
And vince got um outvoted forfour roses.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Um, sorry, vince, I mean well, we were trying to
squeeze in a few before the showstarted.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yes, back in Bardstown, yep, and so then
we'll get back.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
No, no, no, no.
Let's go back to Four Roses.
I got outvoted on Four Roses.
No, okay, I'm over it.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, there's four of us, and one person said Four
Roses and three said Woodford.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I don't believe that we had Price Waterhouse actually
.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I have not seen the verified results of that vote
yet.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, as soon as they're finished with the
Bush-Gore election.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I just got a message from Price Waterhouse saying
that they think that there wastampering in the election.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
It was a hanging Chad .

Speaker 1 (27:27):
It was, I agree, I think it looks like now it was
actually 2-2.
Oh Well, it's a shame, becausenow there's no availability.
There's no availability at Four.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Roses.
Now we're going to go hang outthere, show our friends, kind of
what it's like to actually beat the distillery and then be
back Sunday morning for morebourbon tasting at the show.
So it's a little different thanwhat we normally do.
Either way, I'm excited to goNow.
Next week's episode may have usbeing like that was a total
mistake.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
But I'm pretty pumped for it.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
And it's one of those places like especially Castling
Key.
And it's one of those placeslike especially Castling Key you
could go like it's an oldbuilding that looks like a
castle and it's gorgeous.
And when I say it's old, I meanthe distillery went out of
business in like 1910.
And then they found it and itwas buried in weeds and they

(28:23):
literally discovered it.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, it was buried in weeds because it had been
neglected for so long.
It was actually sold to anarchitectural company what do
they call it?
Restoration place company thatwas dismantling the warehouses
and things.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh, I do remember that, yeah, piece by piece and
selling the old wood.
Like a reclamation company.
Like a reclamation, yeah, sothey were selling this old wood
for new projects.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
They had that old wood.
So when they purchased the landfrom this architectural
restoration company, everythingwas gutted, everything was
gutted, everything was gutted.
There were warehouses that werehalf built because they removed
timbers and that type of thing,even the main building I don't
think had a roof.
No, it didn't have a roof.
It didn't have a roof.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So the outside is stone, like a castle, like legit
looks like a castle, and it wasjust the stone that's all that
was left.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
That's it, I, and it was just the stone.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That's all that was left, that's it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I'm excited, but so they bought it.
They started making bourbonthere and it's a really cool
place.
The gardens are massive.
They do weddings all the time.
The reason it's called CastlingKey is the castle is the
distillery.
The key is actually the spring,where they get their water for
the distillery.

(29:42):
It's in the shape of a key.
Again, this was built in theturn of the century 1800s, late
1800s, early 1900s.
It's beautiful.
It's a place where, if youdon't drink at all, if you hate
whiskey, you would still go andbe like.
This is gorgeous.
They always have craft foodvendors on site and such they

(30:02):
always have craft food vendorson site and such they have music
.
It's a really cool place.
I'm very excited to go there.
It helps their bourbon's good,but even if it wasn't, I would
go.
It's gorgeous.
I have a barrel head.
It was the first place I wentto where I'm like this place is
so pretty, I want a barrel head.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
They also have gin, that's good.
They do they do they have gin?
That's bad?
They do.
But you know they do quite afew different things there at
that distillery that are reallygood yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So it's a cool place to go, even if you are in the
area.
So I'm excited to go, and thenback Sunday a couple more hours
at the Bourbon Festival and thenwe are responsible.
So we are all staying inBardstown Sunday night and then
Monday morning head back home.
Yeah, so that's why they aresaying bring the motorcycles

(31:00):
down.
Yeah, because that area is hillcountry.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It is Horse country, beautiful farms.
It's gorgeous.
Yeah, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So you want to bring your hogs down to horse country?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Right, I just booked a U-Haul trailer for tomorrow,
is that okay?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, very cool.
For many, many years driving atruck, what is the?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
scariest thing you can see while you're driving a
truck, a DOT officer with hislights on behind you.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's correct, a check engine light.
So this was not going the way Iplanned, was it Jerry?
Wait a second.
I want to hear what theiranswers are Good job, we have
different answers, but I alreadygave the answer.
But I still want to know whattheir answers are.
Good job, we have differentanswers, but I already gave the
answers.
So, okay, someone that we wouldhave said Jerry.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
What's the scariest thing?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Jerry, I would have said maybe a driver sleeping,
falling asleep at the wheel orsomething.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Who in front of you?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, okay, I would have been the same seeing that
truck in front of you, orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Oh, if it's swerving and weaving, I'm good, I slow
down I let it swerve and weave.
I blow my horn, you know.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
I think the worst thing is whenever you see that
woman pass you in the fast laneand she's got her leg up there,
shaving her legs and stuff.
That's just.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Wow, no, you know this was probably a tie.
When you see that guy passingyou in the fast lane and
wrestling and he's got his legsup there shaving his legs, you
know, or you just follow him tothe drag show that night that's
right.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's right, that's right.
He drives a funny car right yes, yeah, very funny cars at top
fuel?
I don't remember a very a very

Speaker 3 (32:31):
funny car what was your scariest thing when you get
behind the wheel and you'reready to go out like that you
would?
That would startle you.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't remember any very crazy things when I was
driving.
No deer, you weren't kind ofcurious about deer, A fox maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
No, no, there was a turtle one time.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Oh, do-do-do-do-do-do .

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Do Actually twice.
The second one, he wasn't aslucky as the first
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
I just remember one time I was driving by and this
guy was watching a movie.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh, he was driving down the road.
You passed me and didn't wave.
Sorry that is.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
That is a joke.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's literally a joke .

Speaker 2 (33:17):
So uh, that is a big joke.
Yeah, so no, I've actuallywatched.
Lord help me.
I've actually passed a ton oftrucks where someone's got an
iPad right there watching amovie or whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And I've passed many cars.
One of them had, like, the twoheadrests, for the back seats
had TVs in them, yeah, and theyhad a TV in the center console
and they had another TV over thepassenger, like airbags.
I guess if the airbag went offit would just slam an iPad to
someone's face Right.
They were showing.
I believe they're called flicks.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh, flicks.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Oh, flicks Pictures.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Possibly yes.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I was like, okay, well, we're just going to On all
five TVs, all five TVsStreaming, live, live, live.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
It's just Wow.
I pulled into a truck stop onetime and there was a truck.
He was sitting there on hisbreak, I assume, and he was
literally just in the front row.
I was pulling up to the fuelisland and he had this huge tv
in the front cab.
Yeah and same thing I get it's.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
It's lonely out on the road, especially if you're a
solo driver.
Yeah, this was a car, wasn't atruck, but I'm like they're
children.
A, I don't want to see it, butB there's children around.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Like what?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Wow Anyways.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
But that's not it.
It's a light To me it's a checkengine light, not a mill light.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
So on a truck, like on your car, you're driving down
the road.
So if you're not a truck driver, on your car driving down the
road you have a light that popsup and it's your engine and it's
your check engine light, and soyou know.
All right, we need to figureout what this is wrong.
On a truck, you actually havetwo versions of that.
The first is that same amberengine light that you have on
your car.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
It means it's a multi Malfunction indicator light.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's a multi-malfunction.
No, it's a malfunctionindicator light.
That means something has gonewrong somewhere.
When those pop up nine timesout of ten, 95 times out of 100,
they're emissions related ofthat time it's uh, you're

(35:38):
driving down the road and theone of the sensors somewhere on
the exhaust system saw somethingthat was slightly out of
balance and it threw it.
It could be you had bad diesel,so it just made the temperature
a little wonky, could be.
You were in a place that wassuper humid and so it burned a
little different, so thatsomething was off a little bit.

(35:59):
If it sees that it's like, hey,this is off, it's going to
shine that light.
If you keep going after alittle while, if you restart and
keep on going and everything'snormal, it'll turn itself back
off.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
It will, it'll go, oh , self-healing.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, exactly.
So it may go like, hey, we sawa weirdness, but actually it
ended up being fine and so it'llgo off.
If it doesn't go off ever, thenyou've got a real problem.
It has to go to a shop and havesomething fixed on it, right.
But there is the second light,and this is the light that's the
actual check engine light, andif you look in the manual it's

(36:34):
called a check engine light andit's red.
It ain't amber, it's red.
And that light means stop, now,get me fixed, because if you
don't, I am going to turn thistruck off.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I think you skipped over one.
There's three lights.
The middle light's solid.
There's a check light.
It's actually an amber outlineand it says check in the middle.
And then there's the red lightthat is solid and says stop in
the middle.
So you cover the MIL light,which is solid.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, it does.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
I guess I'm thinking back tothe old Kenworth.
Well, let's talk modern trucks,because that's what we run,
You're right.
So I am thinking of theKenworth which actually had a
red engine.
So on the Freightliners, theydo say check and it's yellow and
that's when you know you have aan issue bigger problem and it
will eventually be turn red turnred pop up the red one also.

(37:26):
Yeah, yeah.
So when it says check, you gota problem, you got a problem
like a real problem, uh, andthen when it goes red, it says
stop, it says stop it's been soit's been so long since I've
been driving um and when it saysstop engine, it is turning
itself off Like it's legit.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Two minutes roughly.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, and our trucks have an engine shutdown override
.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
So, you can actually, depending on the issue, you can
press and hold that and it'lllet you get off the interstate
or the highway and get to a safeplace to park Can.
I go through it a little bitdeeper than that?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Sure, so generally, if the stop light comes on, the
red light comes on, the ambercheck light will be on also.
Yes, when that check lightstarts to flash, you got about
30 seconds before it's going toshut down on you.
Okay, so if you press theshutdown override button, it'll
stop that and reset that timer.
Yes, to about two minutes andthen it'll go back through it.

(38:21):
However, like you were saying,you don't just want to
willy-nilly hit that reset.
Correct, If that stoplightcomes on, get off the road, yeah
, and that could be safely offthe road, on the shoulder safely
, you know.
The example I give is if thatlight comes on, that stoplight
comes on and you're stuck intraffic and you can't get over

(38:44):
immediately, well, hit thatreset as you're trying to get
over, but you need to get offthe road and shut the truck down
and find out what the problemis.
Yes, so it's not a tool thatyou just want to keep hitting
willy-nilly.
Another example I had a truck inthe yard, that was.
It popped up Before I even leftthe yard.
It popped up with the checklight and the stop light and the
code was and actually it poppedup a big display.

(39:07):
It was Cascadia in the middle,big red message that said
coolant level low.
Stopped the truck, popped thehood and my coolant's fine, my
coolant level wasn't low.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
The sensor was bad.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
So I had to get it to a dealership.
So I drove to the dealershipwatching my temperature the
whole way, pressing that buttonevery minute or so to get myself
there.
So there are times you want touse it.
However, you don't want to justdo it willy-nilly.
You want to know what'shappening.
You want to watch everythingyou can.
In that sense, coolant.
I knew I was full, mytemperature wasn't going crazy

(39:41):
high, I was safe to get there.
But there was a lot ofinvestigation before I drove it
to the dealership.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
So you actually have a couple different coolant
sensors.
People don't know that you havea couple different ones, and
when it gets to the bottomsensor, the check engine
override does not work.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Interesting yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So when you actually run out of coolant, like if it
had a pipe that exploded orsomething, and you didn't see it
, which is possible because youthink of a coolant line
exploding.
I'd see smoke coming out of myengine.
So how could I not know thatthe bunk heaters for our trucks
actually run off these and theyshare a coolant line with the

(40:16):
APU, so you could actuallyrupture a line behind the hood
and you wouldn't see it driving.
If you're looking forward, yeah, especially at night,
especially at night.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, now you find that when you park and then
you're like what's thisgoopiness on my feet?
Yes, been there, done that.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, 100%.
Oh, and the smell.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Burning coolant smells terrible.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
So no, if you get to a certain point on the fill tank
or on the tank, the coolant, itwill not let you override it
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Ask me how I know.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
How do you know, patrick?
So in 2021, I just picked up abrand new, the very first new
Cascadia Bolt bathroom sleeperwith all the safety systems.
Oh, the Troitus bolt bathroomsleeper with the uh, with all
the um safety systems.
Detroit insurance and everything.

(41:07):
And, uh, I at that time used torun the trucks around and make
sure they were fine.
Sure, um, before I I brought ateam in to look at the truck or
didn't move into it, and, uh, itwas on my birthday.
I remember this very specific.
And I was on the interstate andthat came up and I did the

(41:30):
engine override and it let me doit a couple times and I was
able to get into a truck stopand then it shut off and it
wouldn't let me do it again.
So at least I got to the truckstop, sure, and then I opened up
the hood and there's bone dry,no coal in there, and it was
like all right, I see how I didit.

(41:50):
And so I had to order the towtruck out and they came and
picked it up and then I had toactually ride with the truck
driver out back to my place toget my car.
And it was a whole fiasco andnot a big deal.
It was a clamp or somethingthat came loose and the hose
came out.
They were able to put it backon, re-topped it off at the

(42:11):
Freightliner dealership and Iwent and picked it up a couple
days later and later on thatweek I was still able to put
Jerry and Don in that truck withno problem.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes, that's awesome.
So that was a very memorableexperience for me.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Me too, I think.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I was on the phone with you, wasn't I when it
happened?

Speaker 5 (42:33):
You told me what happened, but you were not
letting me know that it was ourtruck.
You were definitely keepingthat a surprise.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Surprise, you have fresh coolant.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Well, that was a time , too, where we were picking up
a truck, like one or two a month, right, like that was a crazy
time for us.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I remember whenever you had me go pick up another
truck and you needed me tofollow you back to the yard and
you were driving the truck thatwe were in at that time and I
was driving the other truck youneeded me to pick up.
Yes, I remember the smell and Inoticed Patrick was just giving
it all he had and I'm like whyis he driving my truck like that
?
Right, yeah, I mean he was justgetting on down the road.

(43:11):
Let me tell you, of course wecan only do 65, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, but it was a 35-mile-an-hour road Exactly.
I was not.
That was a joke.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
We go pulling into the yard and I see this big red
bow.
There's a picture up here.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
A big red bow on a truck.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Is that the red bow we used to have in the yard?
It is.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
We gave it to them.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I was giving our daughter her first car.
They didn't give it back.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think they did, it might still be give it back.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I think they did.
It might still be in the yard.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I think they did give it back.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, because you were.
Do you know how hard it is tofind a four-foot bow, Apparently
it's easy if you have enoughmoney, because you kept telling
us we couldn't get rid of it,even though it was taking up
space in the yard.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh, my gosh Because of how much it cost.
It was the size of a toolbox,it was huge.
It was huge.
It weighed nothing.
It was crazy, nothing at all.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
First time I went to figure out what was in that box.
It was up on a shelf, yeah, andI picked it up.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I almost fell backwards I thought it was heavy
and you were like it's an emptybox.
We've been storing an empty boxand you open it up.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I've never had a vehicle with a bow delivered to
me.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
No, but I did and I bought a brand new vehicle
before.
But I did surprise you, she didsurprise you.
I didn't tell you about thattruck when you came to pick it
up.
Either you didn't know about itor you were faking it.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
We knew about it.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And we were still knew about it.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
See, that's why you don't tell anyone on staff when
you're trying to surprisesomeone you told us about the
truck.
See, that's why you need tolearn to keep your mouth shut.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, you do Apparently.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I was even excited, though, for the third one.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Man, y'all drove a long time, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, I mean the third truck was.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
How many of those were new?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Zero Nope.
First one, the second one, thesecond one, the.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Western Star was new, as we call it, number two
1,500,.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I think she had on her 1,500 miles.
What did you say she had on herrecently?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
800 and oh, that's y'all's truck.
Yeah, stop it.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I just pointed that truck out to you today 820,000
miles looks beautiful on theoutside.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
We got our 1,500.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
The inside looks good too.
It doesn't look bad at all,you're right, the seats are
tight, the seats are worn.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
They're original seats.
I am shocked no seat covers onthose seats.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I am shocked those are original seats.
I'll be honest Around half amillion miles we try to get rid
of a truck, but some trucks theylast longer than that.
A team try to get rid of atruck, but some some trucks they
last longer than that.
And a team will say, like welove our truck, but can we
please get a new seat?
yeah, and so it's not crazyunusual to put a new seat in a
truck that's got half a millionmiles on it, 800 000 miles with

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original seats, and they stillwork they still work, it's
there's.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's no holes, physical.
No, the vinyl's just rough,just rubbed yep, yeah, and I
think so.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I know what we're going to do with that truck and
I can't really tell y'all yet,but there is some stuff
happening with that truck thatyou'll see in the future.
It'll make sense, and I thinkwe're just going to put seat
covers on, right.
Why not Coveralls?
Yeah, coveralls.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
All three.
Of the first one, she had lotsof miles on her.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Is that Bagheera?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, and you sold her this last summer.
I did.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Here's a picture of that Vince cried.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Vince, did he cried?
He cried when he handed thekeys over.
She also had a lot of greatteams in her that we mentored
and a lot of good memories.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, lots of good memories on that truck, I tell
you.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
I was just looking and my truck that you gave me
brand new is still on the roadin the fleet and, as of recently
, it's at $817,000.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Wow.
I know because that one had— Doyou think about that and you're
like—.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I do no.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Jerry doesn't Jerry's like.
That was his 87th truck in hiscareer.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
He's right, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
That was my only new truck I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I think about that truck because it's out of
warranty.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
How many miles did you put on it before you?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I had a repair recently.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Roughly if you can think back.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Oh God, I don't know, I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Jerry, jerry, yeah, you had it like three or four
years.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Almost four years.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, so about 150,000 miles.
So that's the picture thatpulls up for Fight a
Freightliner.
So you'll see it here.
It's a really cute picture, buton my phone it actually it's
buried in the photos.
I don't even know why it's onhere like this, but like you ran
a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
I did coast to coast.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I know so.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
I did run a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Four times a month.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
No, that's not true, especially not in the beginning
6,000 miles times four, what isthat?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
24,000 miles in a month?
Oh, that is a lot.
Oh, you're right, that is a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
In the beginning.
We didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Towards the end.
Yeah, well, that's a great tripdown in history lane, but, uh,
again back on track.
So check engine lights yes,there's the mill light, check
engine light, stop engine lightby big fear.
And the reason I was thinkingthere was only two is I still
remember when eric and weredriving, we got started in a
2008,.
I actually got started in 2007,but we actually bought our

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first truck.
It was a 2008 Kenworth T660.
And that truck only had two.
It was an amber mill light andthen it was a red engine light.
They were identical.
We didn't have anything thatsaid stop or whatever.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
The truck just randomly turned off.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
When the truck turned off, you knew that it was done.
The red check engine light tome was the scariest thing,
because if a DOT officer pullsyou over and you're maintaining
your truck like we all did, whocares?
I do exactly.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Let me do my inspection and we're good.
Now there is that immediatefear of like did the speed limit
just change to 55?
How many of us have felt thatWait?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
what's the speed limit again?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
So there is that, when they come to your window,
they're like, oh, we just pulledyou over for a random level one
inspection.
You're like whew window.
They're like, oh, we justpulled you over for a random, uh
, level one inspection.
You're like, um, so the thatpart, uh, it's over in a half an
hour or so and you're on yourway again.
Um, if there is someone in frontof you that's weaving and

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driving crazy, right, you canblow your horn and hopefully,
that'll help them out, or or,yeah you, you report it to a cop
, or you just sit back and likeI'm going to slow down that way
if something happens, I'm not inthe midst of it, right, and if
they get off the road for a restarea, you get on around them.
So a lot of these deerconstantly saw them.

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It's just something you justkind of get used to.
Numb to it, I think.
But a red check engine light,yeah, that could be a three,
four, five-day.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Adventure.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Adventure yeah, you could be, down for a while, and
so that always brought me suchstress.
Now, granted, we had the addedweight of not only is it we're
going to be down, but now we'regoing to have to pay for this
right.
So I mean, when you're drivingfor a fleet owner, the nice
thing about it is it's not mymoney, they're going to put me
in a hotel.
They driving for a fleet owner,the nice thing about it is it's

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not my money.
You know they're going to putme in a hotel.
They're going to cover anyUbers we may have.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
They're going to take care of.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
if we're down for over a week, they're going to
pay us some downtime pay right,but when you're an
owner-operator that's all on you.
So, yeah, that always broughtso much stress and so much fear
to me.
And then on the newer trucks,so that, as an old truck only
had a DPF filter, nothing elseon it.
On the newer trucks the EPA wasso strict on how clean those

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trucks had to run.
They actually had things inthere where if your DEF system,
if your DEF was low or it sawsomething funny or whatever, it
would actually paralyze yourtruck even though your engine
was still running fine, eventhough your DPF filter was still

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clean.
It's not that emotional.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Are you okay?
It's sad to think about whatwould happen if your deep-depth
system had a problem.
I mean, Melissa and I sat in atruck stop for I don't know a
couple hours one time, waitingfor a tow truck to tow us in
because our truck wouldn't regen, because we had a bad dozer

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valve and we were down overnight.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So sad If anybody didn't see that Vince is wiping
tears away with his hankovernight.
So sad If anybody didn't seethat Vince is wiping tears away
with his hanky.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
No, I have real tears .
My allergies are kicking in.
We got back on the road.
We got back on the road and wewere good to go.
Ready to roll Truck had 30,000miles on it, friggin' western
star.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well, you know quality.
Quality is in the eye of thebeholder.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So on these trucks nowadays that can absolutely be
a problem.
So when Eric and I firststarted driving, if your check
engine light came on and thetruck turned itself off, it was
to protect itself from implosion.
Right, it would literally ifyou kept going.
Light came on and the truckturned itself off, it was to
protect itself from implosion.
It would literally.
If you kept going, you couldabsolutely harm the engine.
Nowadays, if your check enginelight comes on and it shuts
itself off, it could just be anEPA required.

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Your truck's not running asclean as it should be.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Which was our problem .
Honestly, yes, that was ourproblem.
Our truck range is fine exceptwe couldn't do a region.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Happens all the time.
Jerry, I know Don is inmaintenance and I know he vents
to you.
How many doser valves and DEFpumps have paralyzed our trucks
over the last two years?

Speaker 5 (53:04):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
A lot, yeah, would you say over 100?
.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
What a surprise you to learn.
Feels like he's on trial hereyeah exactly.
What a surprise you to know.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I would hate to say a number, but I know it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
It's a lot If it's not 100, it's close.
Yeah, it's over 5 is what I'msaying.
Oh God, this month, this week,so it's a lot.
So where we see that as aninconvenience, as a frustration,
especially if you're in thedriver's seat and we get it

(53:37):
because everyone sitting herehas been a driver before.
We all know what that's likeOutside of it being a
frustration for you or for thedrivers and possibly losing your
load, which means the load youaccepted for $3,000 just became
a $900 load because, you weren'table to complete it, which
means you took a cut in paybecause of it.

(54:00):
It's an expense on us becausemaybe we had to have it towed
and, yes, that part is coveredunder warranty, so that's fine,
but we have to tow the truckthere right which cost us money,
money, and uh, we have um, wehave that lost income as well.
So, like where that threethousand dollar load was gonna

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pay us an x amount of money.
Now it doesn doesn't.
It pays us considerably less.
And then some of the carrierswill even back penalize us
behind the scenes because of it.
So there's that as well.
We have to maintain a certainlevel of on time across our
entire fleet.
So there's other stuff thatpeople won't see.

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Then we're putting drivers inhotels.
We're paying if it is aweek-long repair.
We're paying drivers in hotels.
We're paying if it is aweek-long repair.
We're paying downtime pay.
So those breakdowns areextremely costly and annoying to
us and they're annoying to thedrivers.
But what's interesting hashappened recently.
Very interesting Is that theEPA, under the current
administration, is looking atthis and going okay, not only is

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that a burden on thesecompanies, not only is that
annoying to these drivers, butit's actually hurting the us
economy.
It is by having so many trucksdown for these repairs, and the
numbers are staggering, uh, andthe amount of money this cost is
crazy to see.

(55:26):
And so the EPA has put in a.
Is it a requirement, or is itjust a recommendation, or where
do they?
What are they calling it rightnow?
So we saw this article in CDLLife is where I'm looking at it.
Yes, it's on multiple places,it's a very widely referenced,

(55:48):
but CDL Life is the articlewe're looking at right now.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
So the quote here is on Tuesday I forget what day
that is August 12th the USEnvironmental Protection Agency
announced action to addressconcerns from truckers and
farmers, even about dieselexhaust fluid systems.
Yes, diesel exhaust fluidsystems.
Yes, on August 12, 2025, epaAdministrator Lee Zeldin
announced new guidance meant toquote, protect American farmers,

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truckers and other dieselequipment operators from sudden
speed and power loss caused bydiesel exhaust fluid systems.
So they've taken an action.
It doesn't really.
I guess what they're doing is,in short, by model year 2027,
the requirements state that allnew diesel on-road trucks must
be engineered to avoid suddenand severe power loss after

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running out of DEF, the problemwith current vehicles.
The manufacturers need todevelop software or adjust their
software so that truckspre-2027 don't have that problem
as well.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, so there'll be a massive recall, pretty much
every truck built since 2010will have to be reflashed
software recall to make it towhere this uh doesn't, um,
paralyze the truck and and thisis actually like so I know we're
talking about it kind ofselling it as like a good thing,

(57:16):
because we've all been there,we've all been handicapped by it
, um, but it's this is notwithout controversy.
No, it's not, it's not at all.
Some of the controversy hasbeen environmental impacts on
this and there are somequestions about what does this
mean for clean air.
So the purpose of that systemdebilitating the trucks is to

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ensure compliance, right?
So if I make your truck stopworking when it's not in
compliance anymore, when you'reout of DEF or a sensor's gone
bad or something of that nature,then I ensure that you're going
to have to get it to a shop,get it fixed and then put more
DEF or whatever in it.
Right?
The backside of this is how arethey going to guarantee

(58:01):
compliance?
What is going to entice peopleto actually still continue to
maintain those systems andcontinue to put DEF in those
trucks?
And DEF diesel exhaust fluidit's a urea-derived substance
that actually goes through andcleans the exhaust and it helps
take out those dieselparticulate, filters diesel

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particulate from the air andhelps the trucks run cleaner.
So I think that's aninteresting question.
I haven't seen much informationon that.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
There's a quote here from OIDA, the Owner Operator
Independent Driver Association,that says EPA's guidance
establishes more common senseinducement schedules that will
help drivers maintain safecontrol of their vehicles as
they diagnose and remedy faultydeaf scr systems.
Um, so it sounds like from thatthat there will be kind of a

(59:01):
time frame on when you get thatrepair done.
But that's not clear.
That and that's from awida,it's not from epa.
So who knows if they'll have atime frame where it allows you
to get your load taken care ofand then work towards getting it
repaired.
What that time frame looks like,who knows?
You know, if I'm making adelivery in laredo, texas, but

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the preferred shop is columbus,ohio, will it give me a time?
We get two days down to Laredoand then four days back to
Columbus.
So what that looks like I don'tknow.
But again, there has to be.
I guess it doesn't have to be.
It seems like there should besomething that says you can't
just run your truck on empty defwith a check engine light on

(59:43):
forever because you're pollutingthe air or potentially
polluting the air seconds andlight on forever because you're
polluting the air or potentiallypolluting the air.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Well, and they are saying um the epa requirements
in 2027, um must be engineeredto avoid sudden and severe power
loss.
Right, they didn't say no?
power loss, yeah, and they alsodidn't say that it couldn't be a
slowly timed, sure right.
So do they give you 10 000miles?

(01:00:11):
Do they?
Do they add on to the dotinspections that are happening
annually that?
Does the truck have a checkengine light on right, like?
What are they doing for that?
I'm very curious.
I don't know that there's beena lot of guidance since this.
I know a lot of people are verycurious about it and what's

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going to happen, as am I,because although I am in
trucking and I am excited to seethat there are some progress
made that hopefully will save ussome money, I also am a person
living on this earth and I wantto make sure that we're not
polluting it too much, so I'mvery curious what they're going

(01:00:53):
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I have a couple of comments.
First and foremost, I guess Inever thought of farmers and
heavy equipment aka like all thetractors on 70 for the road
also having deaf.
I don't know why.
I guess I live in my littleworld of straight trucks bubble.
So wow, that's all I got to sayabout that.

(01:01:18):
Who knew they had them too?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
secondly, well, and it's not necessarily the
tractors, it could also be theirdump trucks or their grain
trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Sure, any of the construction or mining equipment
or any big rig Diesel equipment.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Diesel.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I guess I just didn't think all diesel needs DEF.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
So not all diesel does so, like a lot of them
don't have SCR systems, but thetrucks that they use to bring
the grain from, or the corn oror whatever from the field to
market may require it.
Sure, so it may not necessarilybe the combine that's running
down the road, although it couldbe, because the new ones do

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have it, yeah, but there's somany parts and pieces that
they're using that it could thenaffect them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And then my other question is without sensors.
So pretend there's no sensorson any trucks.
Does a vehicle that's runningdiesel need to have DEF?
Because I guess in my littlebubble of straight trucks for
three years plus I assumed onedidn't work without the other.

(01:02:26):
But is that not the case?
Diesel still runs with diesel,but DEF is trying to help us
save the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So yes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
For emissions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So I'm curious about that as well.
So that's a very good point.
Actually, like our first truck,our Kenworth didn't have DEF,
so it just worked on the dieselengine.
And what happened?
It had a DPF filter, a dieselparticulate filter, but what
happened is, while you're goingdown the road, when it

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acknowledged that the DPF filterwas getting clogged, it would
actually superheat the exhaust,and it did this by way of an
injector through an art head,which was the nightmare that
Caterpillar figured out.
It was horrible and cost ustons of money, but it would
superheat that exhaust, andMercedes-Benz had their version

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of it and Cummins had theirversion of it, and that would
literally bake the DPF filterand all of Ash out and then ash
would just come out of yourexhaust pipe and it would land
on the road.
And ash is not the same asdiesel particulates.
I know ash is a substance andparticulates are the substance.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
But ash is not a micro, whatever they call it
that diesel particulates are.
So ash will just land on theroad, get in the water system
and it goes away.
Diesel particulates actuallyare still harmful.
They get in the air.
So that's the difference.
And that would clean itself.

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And then at some point it wouldno longer be able to clean
itself.
You'd have to bring it in.
They would take the DPF filterout, they would try to bake it
or clean it with another machine.
If that didn't work, you'd haveto replace it, and they're
super expensive, a couplethousand dollars and then you'd
be good to go again On a DEFsystem.
They inject this urea solutionand it cleanses the air and it

(01:04:27):
actually makes those DPpffilters lasting a lot longer.
But I do wonder without it,because they're designed to work
together.
So it's a selective catalytic.
Uh regeneration, which is whatthe scr side of it is.
It's really what it's called.
Def is an element of it, butscr is really what we're talking
about.
Um in europe they're notrequired to have dpf filters.

(01:04:49):
In europe they go.
If you have def, it'll actuallyclean the exhaust.
Good enough.
You don't need that dpf side ofit.
Uh, in america we don't havethat, so we have to.
We have both and um, I do think.
I do wonder, like if the if youhaveF but the truck is allowed
to continue to run, there is nosuperheat function, so

(01:05:12):
eventually that DPF filter wouldclog.
So maybe that's what they'rerelying on.
Is at some point, if you don'tget A fixed, then B's going to
break down and now what could bean underwarranty or super cheap
fix will become a monumentalexpense to get the whole system

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replaced or repaired.
So I don't know, I'm curious, Idon't know.
There's any situation where youcan run a DPF truck without DEF
and test it, because they allhave the kill feature installed
with them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
So we didn't care about our pollution and our air
pollution and want to liveforever as a species.
Can you run?
I guess this is my otherquestion.
Can you run diesel in the truckwithout death or whatever else,
or does it need something?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So deleting a truck, it's illegal.
Do not do it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
No, no, no, I realize that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I'm just pointing that out there.
We're going to talk aboutdeleting a truck, but do not do
it.
It's illegal, it's immoral,it's wrong.
It just is wrong.
Even if you're like screw thegovernment, yada, yada, yada,
it's wrong.
It's morally wrong, yeah, butwhat they do is they will
disable the DEF system, soelectronically programmed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Those doser valves.
They'll just tell them to turnoff DEF pump.
Just turn off.
And then for the DPF or the DPFfilter, they can do a couple
things.
One is they will just remove italtogether, so it's just a pipe
, you know.
Exhaust out of it?
Sure.
And sometimes they'll put amuffler on it too, because your

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DPF actually functions as amuffler.
So if you don't have it, youneed to have something to muffle
your engine.
So put a muffler on, or theywill take that DPF and they'll
actually core it, which meansthey'll take a drill like a
diamond drill bit and go throughthe DPF filter.
And whereas a DPF filter lookslike a honeycomb, it's tons of

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little small holes and it's inceramic and platinum and lots of
precious metals.
They'll just drill rightthrough it and you'll have
several two-inch holes orwhatever to get the amount of
backflow they need.
And then they'll stick it backon and that's never going to
clog because it's such big holes.
They'll do that a lot of timesif they're trying to hide the

(01:07:47):
fact they've deleted the truck Isee so a officer or someone
could still look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Go well it has a dpf filter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, and it has all the other stuff.
That's what they'll do, so thatone system doesn't destroy the
other sure so I don't know ifyou left, if you took one system
out and left the other oneworking as it's supposed to, I
don't think they'll worktogether, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
I see, do pickup trucks that run on diesel need
DEF.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yes, yes, modern ones do yes, modern, yeah After a
certain year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, the Sprinter van uses DEF.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I got a buddy of mine .
He has a Volkswagen Golf wagonwith a 2.0 liter diesel.
It has a DPF filter.
It's very small, it's adorable,but yeah, and he has to put DEF
in it.
Now, on smaller vehiclesthey're able to like put a big

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enough tank in that you do itevery 10,000 miles.
So a lot of times people don'tknow that because they're
getting DEF put in when they dotheir oil changes.
I see you get a Volkswagendiesel and you drive it in
10,000 miles.
You go to the dealership,they're going to top off your
DEF, they're going to do allthat and you won't be the wiser

(01:09:02):
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
That's why you don't see a deaf thing at the normal
car spot.
I was like yeah, seems odd.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
But I did have.
I had a Dodge pickup truck 2015Dodge pickup truck with a 3
liter turbo diesel and actuallyat the like when you open the
gas door.
It did have a DEF and a dieselfill and the DEF was way smaller
than the diesel, so youcouldn't like, so I mean a

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pickup truck like an F-350 orChevy 3500, they're going to
consume a lot more DEF than, say, the Sprinter Vandellas or your
Volkswagen Golf.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Sure, and I wasn't trying to be nefarious, I just
didn't know if.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
That's a good question In the world if a
vehicle was made, fresh off theassembly line.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
With only a diesel tank and diesel lines would a
truck run on diesel.
You don't have to have anotherchemical to make it run.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So let's go back 2007 , which was the last year you
didn't have to have a DPF filter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Oh, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
In 2007,.
That truck that Eric and Idrove had a 11-liter Caterpillar
engine and the exhaust left.
The engine went into a muffler,got quiet and blew up the
tailpipe.
Most of the trucks Jerry droveback when he was driving back in
1987 or whatever it was.

(01:10:29):
None of those had DPF filters Adiesel engine.
Actually.
It's more reliable and worksbetter than a gasoline-powered
engine.
Sure, because it requires somuch less than what a gas engine
does.
So, yes, they will work justfine without it, but they're not
.
The article doesn't talk aboutgetting rid of everything.

(01:10:52):
It just talks about suspendingthe disciplinary action of one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
And that's where I'm like does this get to cause
issues on the other side of the?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
truck Sure, that makes sense it's very
interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I'm very curious what's going to happen.
I'm curious what that recall isgoing to look like as someone
who operates 125 trucks.
That's a lot of trucks thathave to go to Freightliner and
get reprogrammed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I think, though, for a fleet like ours, if a driver
reports that they're having acheck engine light, we'll get
that through.
On the back end we get thealerts when they get a check-ins
and light.
Yes, If they need to make adelivery, make your delivery.
You're not going to get derated.
And then, once your delivery isdone, we need to get you to a

(01:11:37):
dealership to get it taken careof.
So responsibly, as aresponsible fleet, we're going
to make sure that gets takencare of.
So one we don't have problemsdown the road.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
With the red one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yes, yes and two, we're still being
environmentally responsible.
An environmentally responsiblefleet yeah, Sure Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Well, and we do it now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
So like if you call and your red check engine
light's on and you're like, hey,hi-field, and your red check
engine light's on and you'relike, hey, hifield, my red check
engine light's on, I don't knowwhat to do.
Our maintenance department'sgoing to ask okay, we're going

(01:12:20):
to look for an email, see if wehave anything.
But they're going to ask a fewquestions and one of them is
where do you deliver?
Where are you now?
Where do you deliver?
Where do you pick up All thatgood stuff?
And if you're at the deliveryor you're like close to it,
they're going to tell you engineshutdown, override, get to your
delivery, make your deliveryand then, if there's a shop

(01:12:42):
nearby, you may engine shutdownof that shop.
If there's not, we'll get a towtruck and have you towed out of
there.
We do that now with our verylimited amount of two minutes at
a time.
In the older Cascadias, classicCascadias, you had to press and
hold.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
The new ones you could press for every two
minutes.
I was taught to put a coin init, so it would stay down as you
drove.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Yeah, that actually ended my reefer career.
Too bad, we don't have any moreof those trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, so we're already doing that.
So I can imagine with this it'sgoing to give us even more
leverage to make that happen Ifyou have a close.
Maybe you do a delivery andyour pickup's only two hours
away.
Maybe you have time to get thatpickup and then maybe make that
next load and then we get yourtruck fixed right.
Like that would be nice is toget some time sure uh, I do

(01:13:35):
agree that there needs to be alimit, like if you can't run
forever you can't run forever,it's.
It's not good for theenvironment, like at some point
our lineage, our heritage needsto live on right, and it doesn't
do us any good if we polluteand kill the Earth.
But a little bit of flexibilitycertainly would help out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Interesting to watch that one play out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yes, yeah, it will be , and 2027, still two years out.
So I'll be very interested tosee what happens In a quarter,
yeah, exactly.
True, they didn't say exactlywhen 2027.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Oh model year.
So it's model year 2027, whichactually is.
It's a year away, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
That's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
July 2026.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, it's been real good catching up.
We went a little long this time, but it's been a great
conversation.
It's been a great conversation,yes, conversation.
It's been a great conversation,yes.
And if you haven't seen IceRoad Truckers, go back History
Channel on YouTube, binge all 11seasons to get ready for the
12th season coming up, and ifyou binge 11 seasons you'll be

(01:14:37):
sick of it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
But at least watch one season.
It's pretty fun.
You just fast forward throughsome of the parts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Yes, and just watch the exciting stuff when they
start showing the ice cracking.
Just skip ahead.
You got it.
You got the whole thing.
Just skip ahead.
Watch it one time, watch itonce and skip ahead, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and Jack's headed to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yellowknife on yeah, yeah yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
So in the meantime, if you for some reason have
interest in what we're doing andyou want to know more about
high-field trucking, we had someavailability but it looks like
it's starting to fill up.
So if you're interested indriving with us one of our
high-field trucks, with Pantheror FedEx, reach out to us,
because that little bit ofavailability we had is starting

(01:15:21):
to shrink down and I'm excitedabout that.
And then, if you have a topicyou want us to discuss here on
the Outer Belt, by all means youcan shoot us an email at
theouterbeltpodcast at gmailcom.
The Outer Belt Podcast atgmailcom.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Also known as the Outer Belt Podcast at gmailcom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
One more time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
The Outer Belt Podcast at gmailcom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Or you can Callcom.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Or you can Call.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
No, well, yes, you could.
That would be odd.
I mean, you could.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
How about they put a little comment thing at the
bottom?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Thank you for calling Highfield Trucking.
This is Melissa.
How can I help you?
Oh, you'd like us to talk aboutIce Road Trucking, season 12,
episode 4.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
We will do it, melissa would like that phone
call.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Melissa would love that phone call.
No, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
What did you call it?
The little comment thing?
The comment thing also known asthe comments yes, Just plain
comment.
Just go down below the video.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Below the thing, the thing Below the thing, yeah,
yeah, below the video orwhatever.
Jerry is dying.
Jerry looks so uncomfortable.
If you're listening to this onthe podcast, you should know
that Jerry right now wants tocrawl under the couch he's
sitting on.
Jerry, you should make thethumbnail your face right now.
You should.
So anyways, I'm sorry, I didn'tmean to interrupt you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Oh no, that's okay Because you know it's a video.
But if you're not watching andyou're just listening, it's just
a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
It's just a picture of Jerry's face.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
And you can hit the like button.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
And then you can comment about how much you love
us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Okay, now let me ask you a question.
Say you like what we're doingand you'd like to see all the
episodes we're doing.
What should they do then?

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Subscribe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Subscribe and the fee for that is $5 directly to
Heather, no, eric.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
At bimmocom and we're done with you, Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
What's the fee to subscribe?
Zero, that's right, not asingle cent.
And then you can hit that bellon some platforms and that'll
actually, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
And if you're interested in driving a truck,
you can go to Facebook,instagram, tiktok website.
At oh, highfieldtruckingcom.
I don't know what all the otherplatforms are, but you can
definitely find usHighfieldtruckingcom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Highfieldtrucking.
It's the same name.
That's on my shirt.
It's on Eric's shirt.
Yep H-Y-F-I-E-L-D trekkingcom.
We got a chat feature on there.
We got a message feature onthere.
You can set up an appointmentto chat with one of our lovely
recruiters.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
We've got some of the best.
You can just call if it'sMonday through Friday you could
call 8 to 5.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
And who would you talk to?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Either myself or Delina.
I should say Delina or myself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Are they knowledgeable?

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Very.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Are they nice to talk to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I think I am.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Will they get you off the phone quickly?

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
No, we'll answer all the questions that you might
have, plus some.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
What else?

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
I talked to a lady today four different times.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Okay, she had to take the information back out to her
husband who was working in theyard.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
And then she'd have more questions and come back in.
I get that Plus we also weremessaging and calling, so I will
answer all of your questions.
I'm here to provide you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
He was up mowing the yard with a beer in his hand and
she kept coming out andstopping him to ask him
questions.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
It was a coronerita.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
It was a coronerita.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
So we're here to answer questions, to make sure
it's the right fit for everyone,including yourselves, so yeah,
yes, I think we've got a greatthing going on.
I'm very excited about what thefuture holds and I can't wait
to tell you about the thing thatwe alluded to earlier, that we
can't talk about right now, butit's coming.
Stay safe and make gooddecisions.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Don't leave money on the table and keep those wheels
of turner.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Good night, bye, see you next time, thank you.

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