Zucchini Bread's Debut, Nostalgic Media Tales, and Wintry Escapades: A Journey Through Time and Travel!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, that was it.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay, so nope on Turn your head oh much better.

Speaker 4 (00:11):
Hey, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
I don't want to fix it in post.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
You're welcome, appreciate it.
Sugar Sweetie, sugar sugar.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
All right, so where are you starting from?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Sugar, sugar high.

Speaker 6 (00:27):
Watermelon sugar high .

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Outer Belt.
I'm Patrick and y'all are myfriends.
Chili Buttermilk.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Eric.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
And Jerry Friends Chili Buttermilk.
Eric and Jerry and Jerry.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's okay, get it All right Take four Zucchini bread.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, you'll find your groove.

Speaker 6 (00:58):
You'll find it.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You just got to remember what.
Madonna told us Exactly Getinto the groove.
That's right.
I was going to say what Madonnatold us Exactly Get into the
groove.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's right, I was going to say Strike a pose.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Vogue no.
What's the other one?
You can just go on holiday.
No, it's not even Madonna.
That's what I was like Earth,Wind, and Fire.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
No, let's groove.
Let's groove tonight, totallythe same, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Madonna.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Madonna.
Well, as you've noticed, wehave a new character on the show
.
Oh, character, that's what itis.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, the character will be played by Zucchini Bread
.
Her stage name is Heather, buther real name is Zucchini Bread.
And yeah, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
We're excited Are we Happy to be here.
I am, it's more Estrogen.
Yeah, we've got it equallydivided amongst the cast in the
room too.
We do, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I thought we already had enough with me on here, I
know, I know At least three ofus is half and half Just wait
until they start to sync up withyou, hey.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wow, really.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
We're trying to be a responsible show.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
Oh are we, we're being correctly political.
No one told me that.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh well, it's been all these episodes and no one's
told me that it was in the termsand conditions that the sponsor
gave us.
Yeah, I didn't read those.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
You told me to sign them, or else, well, it was a
scroll, did you see it?
It was long.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You said sign it or else.
What I thought was ridiculous,because it's literally a scroll.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
It was a piece of wood with paper.
Four scores and seven yearslater, and you had to like kind
of like those old school comicbook things, where you turn them
.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But you had to go all the way to the bottom and then
once you had to go all the wayto the bottom and then once you
got to the bottom, then itallowed you to sign the very top
Right, which means you had togo all the way back.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was very.
It took about two hours.
It was half a contract and youonly had half the magnifying
glass to read.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Only half the words on the half contract.
It was really complicated.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So complicated.
Well, docuscroll who happens tobe our sponsor today?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, so anyways, I'm excited to have you Zucchini
Bread.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, thank you, I am excited to be here.
Good, ask me again in a month.
Well, let me ask you real quickwhy?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
are you here?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Why am I here?
Yes, because I got a request bythis guy that I know Sounds
nice.
To come here and try and puthis life back together.
I guess that's a good way toput it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't think it is.
That sounds kind of harshdoesn't it?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It does sound kind of harsh.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Or is it more like to assist him?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh assist.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Assist, that's the words.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Assist in putting his life back together.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Not that it's falling apart, of course not.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
No, it's already falling apart.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh, I'm just.
He wanted me to be like DarthVader and lift him up.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I like that reference .

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I don't like it by the neck though.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's like I can't breathe I could do that.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
She's like tap out when you're about to pass out.
Yes, well, welcome to the team,welcome to the show, welcome to
Columbus.
Welcome to Columbus.
Welcome to Team Heinfeld.
So, as you may have gathered bythe insanity ensuing, heather
has come on board as anassistant for us.
She's going to be assistingEric and myself in the things

(04:23):
that need assisting.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Sounds like a Dr Seuss book.
Well, we thought about asecretary.
Yeah Right.
But then we realized asecretary has such limitations.
An assistant has no limitations.
They're wide open, wide open,wide open.
You know what her jobdescriptions was?
All duties assigned bymanagement.
That was it?
That's easy.
It's the.

(04:48):
Not, Dr Seuss, it's the.
What's it called, Oompa?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Loompas.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, what's their names?
The movie you just referenced,willy Wonka, it's the Willy
Wonka Contract, the Willy Wonka.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Contract.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
It's the one where the font keeps getting smaller
and smaller.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, and then half of it because, remember, the whole
room was half.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I don't think I've seen this movie.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
This is with Gene.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Lauder, oh, I saw the opening scene.
I saw the opening where Genewalks out the trailer.
No, where he walks out with thecane and then he does the
whatever.
Do you know that?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
no one on staff or the characters cast nobody but
not even the behind-the-scenescamera.
People knew what he was goingto do in that moment.
It wasn't written in the script, and so all of the reaction
that you see in the movie isgenuine reaction to his doing

(05:45):
the stop and flop and roll.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I saw a thing that is , I think, rumor, maybe true, I
don't know that says that heonly agreed to accept the role
if they would allow him to dothat, because after he read the
script he said that there neededto be something to make him
more mischievous and he feltthat was a way to.
You never can trust him.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
We watched the.
I guess it would be considereda biopic of him Of Wonka.
Maybe it's not.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
No, maybe it wasn't a biopic.
I don't think Wonka's a realperson, is he?
No of Gene Wilder, I think itwas actually a documentary, but
it was really good.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I watched that.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
We saw the remake.
I think it was with Eric, maybe.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Johnny Depp.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, but I don't know if I was with Eric or if I
was with someone else, but Iremember seeing the remake.
It was fine, it just whatever.
I really liked the latest onewith Timothy Chalamet Chalamet,
chalamet, and it's not a remake,it's just early Wonka.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
It's his origin story .
It's his origin story when hewas a little kid.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I thoroughly enjoyed that movie.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
We started watching that.
You may have finished it.
I fell asleep.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Possibly, which when I fall asleep in a movie.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
it is no judgment on the movie, it's just what I do.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
But if you stay awake , it is.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
It is judgment.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Then it's a must-see, then it's a must-see, it's a
must-see, yes.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, well, you know what they say.
Movies are meant to be watchedin 15 parts.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
I agree.
I completely agree.
When they change scenes, it'sout that's it.
We'll come back to it anothertime.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
So Jilly has a Z schedule or a Z rating scale.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
The more the Z's, the worse the movie, the less the
Z's the more he saw of it.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Jerry, do you fall?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
asleep at movies.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
It depends.
If I'm into it, then I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
No matter what time in the evening you start it like
a 6 o'clock, you push, play,you're going to.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
If it's something I really really am into, then yeah
, I'm into it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay, but do you have those favorites that you really
love, that you can like?
I've seen enough, I'm going tobed, oh yeah no-transcript.
I remember like you had to sitthere and watch it or, even

(08:12):
better, record it onto a VHS.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And do you remember the frustration of getting to
the end to find out that thelast 15 minutes were cut?

Speaker 6 (08:21):
off.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Cut off because you didn't have enough tape, or it
said it was going to be like 8to 10, so I only set it for two
hours of recording but it wentover a little bit.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
It was the worst it was terrible.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It was the worst.
Terrible, terrible, terrible.
We had some that the first 10minutes were missing because
we're like oh this is odd Quickget a tape and so we just.
You know we always picked it upfrom that point on, but that
was back in my day when we hadVHSs and could record you had.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Beta.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Beta Max.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Grandma recorded stuff on Beta Max.
There was a lot of Garfieldcartoons for some reason on
Grandma's playlist, I guess whenwe went over this, but she
thought we wanted to watch.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
How old were you?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I was probably 10 to 13.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, that's okay, you're aging out of that.
Yeah, we always did.
We had a bunch of the WarnerBrothers stuff, looney Tunes oh
loved it.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
We convinced her finally to record Desperately
Seeking Susan.
That was the year that thecousin and I stayed with Grandma
and Grandpa seeking Susan.
That was the year that thecousin and I stayed with Grandma
and Grandpa and she consentedto it being recorded on beta.
What is that?
Madonna's first breakout movie.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Madonna was an actor.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Of course.
Oh, she's played in quite a fewmovies.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Really.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Not good movies, but she's exactly.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
They weren't the top quality.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I love Elvis.
None of his movies arewatchable.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
You were going to say something.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You were.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
About Garfield cartoons and beta.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Oh, I was going to say.
Patrick said they had VHS.
He looked at me to see what wehad.
We just watched silent movies.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Silent films.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's all we had was silent films.
I remember grabbing tapes torecord and then you don't have
Any blank tapes, so you'regrabbing something that you
don't care about and putting alittle tape Over it so you can
record.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It had words yeah, your strip that you could.
Et was written On one of them,so you had to make sure, like
you said, is it a movie we canrecord over.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
No, jerry, meant Putting, putting a piece of tape
over the clip that you'd popout so you couldn't record over
it.
Putting tape over that so youcould record over it.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
We did that with the promotional videos that they
would send out.
I remember when Dixie came toBaton Rouge, the sprawling
metropolis.
They sent a videotape outshowcasing their store and she's
walking through our beautifuldeli and we have hot food
available and we have this andthe people are eating in the

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grocery store, which was unheardof back then.
Maybe in California it was athing y'all were doing out on
the West Coast, but in Louisiananobody was going to the grocery
store and eating their food inthe grocery store.
What that's insanity.
Now it's like totally normal.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Sure right.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's like Whole Foods is a great evening out, you
know eating there.
They sent this whole promo out.
She's walking down and here'sour luxurious Coca-Cola aisle,
which you know.
In hindsight now it'sridiculous.
But we absolutely, because theyhad the little whole thing.
You put a little.
We didn't we used the tape wasover.
But I want to say we like stuff, cotton or something in there

(11:24):
and then put a tape over it andthen you could record a little
bit on there.
So yeah, that was good times.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I've never heard of a grocery store promoting by
sending you a VHS.
It's the only one I've everheard of.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was the craziest thing I remember.
It showed up and it's like, oh,look at this Pontiac.
When Pontiac put out theirAztec, remember that?
Oh, that was a great piece ofcar.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah, piece of car, great uh they sent one out with
that.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And uh, the montana.
They did with the montana aswell.
Do you remember the montana vanno?
The montana was supposed to belike the latest and greatest.
It was going to kick the astrovan's tail.
It was all-wheel drive but it'sstill it's still a minivan and
so the whole promo video is themlike driving this thing in the
in the desert and like it's awestern theme, and they're all

(12:07):
like cowboys, like come on, now,everybody, get in.
The montana we're gonna go totown and get some chuck or
something.
I don't know.
It's the first ridiculous thingI've ever seen in my life.
I gotta find them on youtubeand I'll show you.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
But uh, I mean they're sending vhs in the mail.
It's like spam mail or whateverJunk mail I guess we would call
it.
You never got a cassette ofanything advertised to you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No negative, but y'all didn't have electricity,
so I feel like that's not fair.
That was a challenge yeah.
Did your grandmother get them?
No, no, no.
Did you ever get any oftheseerry?
I mean you're kind of fromwhere I never did eric no well,
y'all didn't live in the sun inthe uh sprawling metropolis of
baton rouge, louisiana there wegot.
We had those high-tech,sophisticated things.

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What about promo cds?
Y'all ever get promo cds?

Speaker 6 (12:54):
yes, yes no, oh my gosh, I mean come on, I got more
aol.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Compu serve prodigy uh of We'd use them as target
practice.
Eventually I'm not kidding We'dset them up and then we'd take
the BB gun out there or pelletgun and just have at it.
Because we had thousands ofthem.
People decorated theirChristmas trees with them.
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
all that, yeah, tons of stuff, jerry's like I've
never heard of such a thing.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
What?
Oh yeah, I've had tons of them,yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You've had the CDs too.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, I had AOL free for years because I couldn't do
them Constantly.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
They would do good for 30.
Sometimes they'd do good for 60or 90 days too.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I remember that Good old.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
I bought my CDs 12 for a penny.
Oh.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I've done that.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I definitely got my collection going.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
My first round of that was Madonna's Immaculate
Collection.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Thank you, we had to buy the Entertainment Center
from Shopko.
You don't have one of thoselike Target.
Anyways, it had the CD slots oneither side and you'd stuff
your CDs and the TV sat in themiddle, and down below was the
radio system.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Did you have the beautiful oak finish or did you?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
have the black finish .

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Those were the only two options if.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I'm not mistaken, ours was oak.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Remember when Cherry showed up, it was literally
black, laminate or oak, and thenCherry came on the scene and it
was like what is this high-endluxury we've rolled into?
Of course, now you got athousand colors, but I probably
had stock in that company.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I can't even think of what the cd plug I was gonna
ask have you gotten your?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
have you gotten your bmg house?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think it might have been columbia house, but in the
end I probably had over 500 CDs, because that was way before
Apple and Pandora.
You had to have a mix of musicI was going to say Menagerie A
mix of music.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
She whispers into the mic.
I remember my aunt got her 200disc 70.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
CD player that was great.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
You could do random or shuffle.
Yes, and it was great becauseit would be like play a song and
then beep.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah, you hear the robot inside.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I remember whenever I got my first.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Just dance, you know like.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
I remember when I got my first six disc CD player for
the car and it went in thetrunk and to change it you
always had to go to the trunkand take it out and put your new
six in.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
How about that CD case that you had to have in the
car?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Oh yeah, or on the visor, flip it down and pull out
.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I always thought that the six CD thing I hated.
So my aunt, she got a Mercedeswhen I was in middle school and
had the AMFM radio with the tapein the middle, and this because
it's Mercedes-Benz and theconsole it had, the little tape
grooves, oh yeah.
And then in the back she had the6CD changer and it was such a

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pain in the butt.
It was like if we wanted tohear something other than that
you had, like I said, you had topull over, go through, pull the
cassette out, re-init it andput it back in.
And I thought it was so stupidbecause the cheaper version was
just an AM FM radio with a CDand I'm like I'd rather it's
that than I would Just slide itin, but that was.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
The Ridgeline actually had in the console.
When you opened it it had theslots for maybe six or eight CD,
the case and everything.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So that was what my last vehicle I had, and it had
the 4 CD, maybe 6.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Built-in.
Built-in.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
What it didn't have, though, was an auxiliary input
to jack in your phone.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yep, Mom's Ford Explorer had the Pioneer 6 CD
changer in the dash, so if youwanted disc 3 out you had to
select it and then wait for itto do its magic and then pop it
out and you could slide one in.
I loved when I was a kid.
I had the Pioneer 200 watt.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Home stereo 25 disc changer.
But Pioneer was genius it hadone additional slot.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Oh yeah, the ones.
It was 25 plus 1.
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh, it made it so great.
All my usuals were in the 25and then, if any time A friend
would come over or somethinglike that, it was so easy to pop
one in.
You didn't have to like.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Because they were in there like A millimeter apart
from each other.
They shoved those 25 CDs inthere so freaking tight, wow, oh
, it was good times Good times.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
But you're right no aux.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Remember the original aux input right.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
The quarter inch.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
The eighth inch to cassette.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, I had one of those Eighth inch to cassette.
I've had one of those Hooked upto the CD player, the Walkman.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yes, because Hooked up to the CD player, the Walkman
.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yes, because it went from cassette to CD.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So you had to put the cassette in.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You had the Walkman.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
And hook it up to the .
I had an original OG with thecassette Walkman and then, I
don't know, I went to somethingyou hope it had.
Skip resistance.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yes, I had the anti-skip.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Because it was in the car now and then it was feeding
.
I had one of those.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
So we had the Panasonic, and this was one of
the advantages of being I'm fouryears younger than my sister,
so she would get things before Iwould.
So she got the Panasonic CDplayer, with no anti-skip
because it didn't exist yet, andso she had that.
It had bass boost, which wascool, but literally you would
just set it next to yourcomputer and plug your little

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computer speakers in orsomething.
If you moved it, it immediatelystopped working.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
When I finally got around to being old enough to
get one, that was out, so minehad like 10 seconds.
Does that sound right?

Speaker 5 (18:41):
10 seconds of.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Antiskip, and that was great.
I would actually put that in mypocket and I would throw my.
Do you remember the headphonesthat were out for a while that
clipped on your ear?

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yes, they didn't go in your ear.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
They slid over your ear.
I would use that while I wascutting the grass, and you'd go
for a jog with it.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
It wouldn't skip.
Not a jog when I'm cutting thegrass.
You weren't jogging.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
But you would literally see me cut the grass
and then stop.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Wait for the skip.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Wait for the catch up .
Wait for the catch up, becauseit would work pretty good.
But I mean after a little bit.
It would be like, oh, hold on.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Got to catch up.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
All right, we're back in business and then keep going
again.
Oh man, oh kids nowadays don'teven know, they don't even know,
don't even know.
Even iPods are obsolete.
How about?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
you gotta take that cassette tape out and use the
pencil and wrap it all back inand hope to God it didn't get
twisted.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Do you remember that horror of pulling a cassette out
and just grab?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
it and you're like don't break, don't break, don't
break.
I spent 12 bucks on you.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
I remember when I got my first acura.
Oh yes, it actually had cdplayer in the dash, just a
single disc, but it had the harddrive built in, so that way you
can load up to like 1000 mp3s,okay, yeah dodge had that for a
while.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Like we, I've never owned one, but I've rented a lot
of caravans over the yearsgrand caravans over the years
and they don't have car play inthem, but they have like an 80
gigabyte hard drive and youcould bring your memory card and
upload it or whatever.
But the transfer times areridiculous.
They take you forever to loadit.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Even the small mini MP3 players.
The transfer time wasridiculous.
On those, it was ridiculous Inever had an iPod.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We couldn't afford an iPod, so I always had like A
Fujitsu version.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Of the iPod.
Well, there were tons of themout before the iPod Showed up on
the scene.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Did you have a Zoom?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
No.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Did you For like, maybe a month.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
And then I was like, okay, I'm getting an iPod.
I just can't handle this.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
No, but I remember iPods came out there the size of
an iPhone.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Oh yeah, the very first one.
They had the scroll wheel, theclick wheel.
I had one.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
A lot of people say they still work if you have one
and you've got a FireWire cable,yep, but that was the game
changer, though, for the iPodwas the Firewire connection.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
It's fast Because it was so fast.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It was so fast, yeah, I remember years ago I worked
with a church and I helped puttogether a scavenger hunt for
the youths.
We were like, okay, the goalwas go around and do something,
but then you had to take apicture of it and I'm like, how
can we pull this off?
Because by that time Polaroidswere pretty much gone, so you

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couldn't just buy a Polaroidcamera.
They were extremely expensive.
Nobody had cameras on theirphones anymore.
Or if they did they wereterrible and iPhones weren't out
yet, so it was like, what do wedo?
And we ended up buying thesecheap digital cameras at like 80
bucks a pop and gave them toevery team and they went out and

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then we had to upload thosepictures into the laptop and
that took so long that we didn'tplan for.
We were like we'll announce thewinners next week.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Like we just didn't know it was going to take that
long to upload every singlepicture Super slow.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Brutal.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Those kids probably were so disappointed.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
They forgot about it by the next week.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'm sure they did.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't know if we ever announced the winner.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
We actually did a scavenger hunt like that in
Europe.
A friend of mine put one on andthe cell phones and that were
good enough, so we had them takepictures of things.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
And it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean, it took like an hour for us to go through
everything.
I was too drunk, I didn't do it, but I was told it took a
really long time to go throughall the pictures.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I love reminiscing, but let's reminisce about the
past three days.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Past three days.
No thank you.
Can I be excused for thissession, the past three Since
Friday.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Since Friday.
Yeah, what's happened Friday?

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Snow.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Really.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Oh, I thought y'all just got it.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Can I be excused for the session?
I'm just going to hang out.
You guys talk.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You can't be excused, but you can lay on the couch If
that helps.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So it started Friday.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, it started.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Friday.
I was waiting for you to finish.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
I was just giving the reason why I wanted to be
excused since Friday.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, I wish we would have gotten more.
It's been cold and snow.
We got quite a bit yeah set thewhole company down.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
What did you say?
I wish we would have gottenmore snow.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Apparently he wasn't in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, Cincinnati got cold Apparently he wasn't in the
yard.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
It was so funny.
So Eric and I were out of townand we were driving up from
Florida and on the way up therewe get to Atlanta, which we had
planned to be our stop for thenight, and I saw the weather was
just really getting bad.
So I sent a message over toVince and I'm like, hey, I think
we're going to hang out here inAtlanta and Jimmy and Kelly,

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who work for us they don't livevery far, a couple hours away
we're going to go see them andjust hang out with them all day
tomorrow and we're not going toattempt to make that drive back.
And you're back and you're likewell, it's only going to be
like four inches of snow, whatare you worried about?
And I'm like Cincinnati'sgetting a foot, a foot of snow.

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And you're back a little bitlater you were like oh wow,
you're right.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's going to be bad.
It dropped down.
It ended up dropping furtherbelow.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I-70.
It went south, it went waysouth.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Otherwise, I mean it was literally on target.
To just come clear across the70.
But somehow it shifted a littlebit and it did did go like even
here in Columbus, further south, down by Hocking Hills and
Chillicothe and Circleville, andall of that got hammered a
little harder than we did.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
They got more snow.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
What hurt us was the wind.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Wind is brutal.
Was it sustained?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
20 miles.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
My ability to function outdoors was the wind.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
You know, because even when it stopped snowing,
the wind was still blowing snowaround everywhere 20 to 30 mile
gusts they were having and thatchill was just insane.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, you know we were looking at.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Single digit wind chill yeah, and snow blowing
around everywhere yeah, ourneighbors.
Yesterday morning, when I wasleaving for work and it was
snowing, our neighbors were outshoveling their driveway and
their sidewalks.
And when I got home yesterdayafternoon, you couldn't tell.
If I hadn't seen them outsideshoveling, I would have had no
idea they were outside shovelingand it stopped snowing, but the

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wind had just coveredeverything back up.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday when I got back to.
So I finally got back yesterday.
First thing I did was fire thesnowblower and I went and did a
couple lines of it just to likemake sure it worked Right.
It had electricity andeverything.
It's not gas-powered, it'sbattery-powered electric and it
did, it worked great.
And I was like cool, I and itdid, it worked great.

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And I was like cool, I'll dothe rest tomorrow morning and
put it back up.
And when I came out thismorning to do it you could kind
of tell where I had walked.
And it wasn't supposed to snowlast night and I woke up and it
was snowing.

Speaker 6 (26:15):
It wasn't like it was snowing again this morning.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
It wasn't like oh, the wind blew, and so a little
snow came out of the trees.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
It was legit full-on snowing.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I was surprised.
I looked at the radar and theradar said snowing.
The weather said snowing, butthe radar was like crystal clear
.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, nothing, nothing on it at all.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
It was weird.
We probably got what six toeight inches, six inches.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
I think officially we got like five inches.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
It was a good shovel path for the backyard.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
We also are into that cul-de-sac, where all the wind
blows everything and it justkind of stays there too it does,
Even at the yard.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
that was about five, six inches that we were scooping
up.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
It was a good amount of snow.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Well, they're calling for more.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Friday we just got to make it tomorrow to Thursday.
I know, tomorrow to Thursday,thursday is going to make it
tomorrow to.
Thursday.
I know Tomorrow to Thursday.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Thursday is going to be cold, Like.
The high is like 18.
That's okay.
The low is like 7.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's fine until we have to fuel the truck.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'm okay with that too.
You know those days.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So Buttermilk and I we're going to pick up two
trucks we just bought.
We bought them out of Missouri,we're bringing them back, so
we're flying out tomorrow andthen we'll pick the trucks up
the next day.
I was just thinking how manytimes have you been like hey,
your t-shirts, flip-flops, it's86 degrees inside your truck, 72

(27:38):
degrees in your truck.
You're doing great, whatever.
It's like alright, I gotta pullover and use the bathroom.
You pull into the truck stopand you open that door and it's
like oh, I forgot.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Especially if it's not snowing, it really screws.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
If it's snowing, you get a hint.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
But if it's not snowing and beautiful sunshiny
day, oh it hurts.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's cold, it's going to be cold, but we're going to
make it happen.
Just no snow.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, no snow.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Next 48 hours, no snow Between St Louis and here.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
They're saying one to two inches.
Friday it's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Friday, we'll be back .

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Friday Late Friday no snow, no rain.
You'll be good.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Yeah, if it can wait until I get off work Friday
afternoon, I'm okay.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
From what I've seen, it says late.
Friday.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yep, at any rate, we need winter, we need some water.
We were in a deficit lastsummer.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, bad drought.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Which we talked about that.
So I don't know if it works.
The same as Oregon, can it juststay?

Speaker 6 (28:35):
out in the farms and not come to the city where I've
got to work in it.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't know if they hold water Like where it sweats.
Yeah, like you know, on theWest Coast you have to have
snowfall and rainfall to fill upthe lakes.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
I just want the snowfall and the rainfall and
the cold to stay out of the citywhere I'm at.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
But my question is is Ohio the same way Like?
Are we filling up reservoirs sothat it'll water everything, or
do we really rely on water?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't think that we're counting on that.
I think we're counting on thesnowfall in Michigan, because a
lot of Michigan's watershedcomes through Ohio.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
And they do have mountains in Michigan.
We do have reservoirs.
We have Hoover Reservoir.
They have mountains in Michigan, yeah but they're not deep
around here.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Anyways, I just don't think it's the same like Oregon
or California, where we rely onthat water.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, there's no snow caps, no so.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I really think that where we live depends on the
rain that we get organicallythroughout the summertime,
because, I mean, we've eventalked about that they don't
have sprinkler systems on theircrops.

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, they're on the farms up here they're waiting on
the rain to happen.
They don't have sprinklersystems on their crops.
Yeah, they're on the farms outhere, they're waiting on the
rain to happen.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
They don't do irrigation.
No, they might do floodirrigation, but again, wow.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Or they might do it on smaller vegetable crops with
the big cornfields.
It's all natural when we firstmoved here two and a half years
ago, we were concerned abouthaving to water the lawn and
take care of stuff.
We didn't have to water thelawn the whole summer because it
rained every couple of daysenough to keep the grass green.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Last summer was rough .

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, I have an irrigation at my house, but only
because I'm at a grade andthere's only like three inches
of soil above bedrock, so itdoesn't hold any moisture in,
but, like my dad lives wherethey live, it holds water in.
It's fun.
Yeah, but it's a fun place thisstate we live in.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yeah, it's really fun .
It's really truly fun, and I'mdone with it.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So are we publicly announcing that we're relocating
to Miami.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Yes, please.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yes, tomorrow let's go.
I can't because come Julyyou'll be like.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
so about Ohio?
No, come July I'll be happy.
I'll enjoy the heat andhumidity.
I grew up in Los Angeles.
I can deal with the heat.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Los Angeles and Miami are two different, that's
different.
I can deal with the heat.
That is Los Angeles and Miamiare.
Los Angeles and Miami are twodifferent, that's different.
I still can deal with the heatthat's brutal.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Miami is like March April.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's true, it's time to leave.
Yeah, I always think like, oh,it'd be so great to be, you know
, have a summer home and awinter home and all that stuff.
But I just think about like themaintenance.
I feel like if I had a winterhome in Florida.
Every time you go home for thewinter, your first week or two
is just fixing stuff knockingthe cobwebs out.

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Down there it's getting rid ofthe roaches, like it just.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Scorpions.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And then when you think about all of, the winter
you're missing by being there.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's completely worth it.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
I'll spend that week fixing stuff up.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Mr Wonderful, or one of them, was talking about how
vacation homes are such a wasteof money, and I think they're
right Money's different.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
I mean, you know there's some value there.
I think it's like payingsomebody to change the oil in
your car.
You can do it yourself.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, I think the difference is the return on your
investment.
You don't see until you sell it, which could be after you're
dead.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
So you know, I mean like Sure, but if it's strictly
an investment.
You're buying cheap, sellinghigh yeah.
But if you're using it andyou're reaping the benefits of
it immediately for just theemotional and physical
well-being of not being infreezing I almost cursed in

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freezing, cold weather all daylong yeah Then it's worth having
that investment in somethingthat you can enjoy.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
But that's why I'm saying an airplane.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
I hear you Because you could just fly south Fly
south for what?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Fly south for the winter?
No, fly south the whole winter,all right.
What are we birds?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Friday afternoon get off work, get in the airplane,
fly to Florida.
Spend all weekend there flyback refreeze.
Yeah, refreeze, exactly.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Exactly.
I don't know if you noticed,but I'm sitting here in a hoodie
.
You are, and you're sittingthere in a t-shirt.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's warm down here.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Because I'm still not warm.
From earlier today we got thefire going.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I'm still trying to warm up.
Got the synthetic fire going.
I'm still trying to warm upWell.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Synthetic fire, one little candle flame I'm at the
behind the camera.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
There's a way over there.
Well, it makes noise and Idon't want the noise I get it.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well, so we've got our one candle flame.
Yes, you can have it around thefire.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Today the sun peeked through for half a, second Funny
Half a second Funny thing, Halfa second.
Driving south actually longerthan that driving south the sun
peaked through.
I was like, oh look, there'ssunshine, and then we get down
to Grove City and it's partlycloudy skies.
Huh, and it was snowing on theway down there.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
We get to partly cloudy skies in Grove City.
Grove City had to deal with Godor something to have a little
partly cloudy, and they couldsee blue sky and the sun today,
while the rest of us weredealing with friggin' snow.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It is a four-letter word.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Snow it is.
I was going to combine a coupleof four-letter words there, but
it is so pretty, not anymore.
Now it's all nasty and dirty.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
When I drove in last night.
It was beautiful.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
You know, when you look outside after a first snow
it's gorgeous.
I have a picture actually fromthe yard from Friday morning
where if you're looking in theback corner behind the trucks,
beautiful if you take out thechain link fence, it was a
beautiful picture of the snowand the trees and everything.

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If I could just stand there andstare at it for a little bit.
Great, like I said, when you'restanding out looking out the
front window in the first snowand it's beautiful, this blanket
of untouched snow, maybe somerabbit or squirrel, droppings or
squirrel droppings, yeah youknow, or footprints, or
footprints.
Or footprints.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Or footprints.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Or footprints.
That makes more sense.
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Now it's been trampled.
We shoveled it, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Can I give you a little bit of good news?
72 days until spring.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's not good news.
That sounds terrible.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
It does sound terrible, it's a dead sentence.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
It's still 72 days.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Hey, it could be more .

Speaker 6 (35:18):
Yesterday it was 73 days.
I apologize for my negativeattitude.
I really do.
I asked to be excused.
He wouldn't excuse me, so yougot negativity, because I'm
tired of the damn cold.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
And it's just started .

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yes, it's getting colder.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Thanks, Heather.
Nothing but getting colder.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Nothing but getting colder.
I mean you can dream, Jerry,but getting colder I mean you
can dream.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Jerry wants five feet of snow Right.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
I have to admit I enjoy it, I like it, I love snow
, but I do get to work from homeand so I get to enjoy the
prettiness and everything.
So I really do think I am allfor.
We need to shift positionsaround, and Vince just needs to
assist me in the IT departmentduring the wintertime, all right
, and who's going to helpMelissa in the yard?

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That's totally your call, notmine.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Okay, all right.
So here's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
What are we having you assist in?

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Vince, tell me what you think I got to come Rose.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
You do video editing and IT solutions in the winter?
Okay, I'm listening.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
And if you, even have my name come out of your mouth.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Jerry loves the snow though.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
He does love the snow .
And then Senor Burrow.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Okay, Senor Burrow Does not work for Highfield.
That's cute.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Do you go out and do snowball fights with Dawn or?
Make snowmen or make snowangels.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Does this look like the?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
face of someone who does you do nothing in the snow?
You just like to look at itsaesthetics.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I just said, I like to you know.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
The aesthetics.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I woke up Saturday morning after it snowed all
night.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Friday night With your cup of coffee.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yep, and I went straight to the door and I took
pictures and I took video and itwas all pretty and pristine and
, yeah, I just want to stayinside and look at it, we should
go sledding.
I just want to look at it.
Are they sledding?

Speaker 6 (37:08):
right down the road.
Here they were Nice.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I really want to go to Vail or somewhere like, like
that that's a different kind ofsnow.
And drive into Denver or flyinto Denver, drive the Jeep up
into Vail and get into the niceChalet and sip hot cocoa and
stare out the window for two orthree days and then fly back.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I have said that over and over.
I would love to do that I wouldlove to just go and be in front
of the fireplace, larry.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Miller, who is a comedian hysterical comedian, if
you don't know who he is.
He has a whole bit on skiingand he said the best thing about
skiing is the secret to skiingis you go and you ride the ski
lift up and you see thebeautiful scenery and enjoy the
company, the people you talk toalong the way.
He said then just ride it rightback down.
As soon as you get down, thewaitress gives you another beer.

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You get back on the ski lift.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
Go right back up and do it all over again oh that's
funny, I say no.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
No, I agree.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
The secret to skiing is to stay at the lodge.
Yes, but you've got to have abig giant window when you're
watching everybody else do it.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I've done.
Watch the ski paramedics outthere.
When people walk back, you kindof guess or gamble on what the
injury is.
I think it would be great.
I think it would be a blast.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
It was a lot of fun.
I've done it at Nashland beforeand I've done it at Mount
Bachelor in Bend, oregon.
It's a lot of fun to just sitin the lodge and watch the
mayhem and be warm.
The young children, your youngchildren, my young children were
out there freezing, but theyhad a good time.
So that's all that matters.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I'm not a fan of hot tubs, but that is one time when
it's cold outside to sit in ahot tub, especially when it's
snowing.
That's actually kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
It is fun.
Vince and I are not allowed ina hot tub, especially when it's
snowing, that's actually kind offun.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
It is fun.
Vince and I are not allowed inthe hot tub together.
No, we're not.
We are not.
That's a long story.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I was going to say that my first time ever going
skiing with friends.
We were there for two days andthe first place they went was
Breckenridge where I attemptedtwo times down the mountain.
First I thought I would do skislike everybody else.
Ended up almost wiping out ofschool of nine kids in the
process.
So I thought skiing's not forme.

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Let me go put on a snowboard,see if that's any better and
even worse.
So that was the first day of ourskiing.
The second day we went tokeystone, which, if you're a
truck driver and you're haulinghazmat, you know you can't go
through the Eisenhower Tunnel.
You have to drive all the wayup the bypass to the Loveland

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Pass.
I think that goes all the wayup to Keystone.
And when we did our trip thesecond day to Keystone, hot
chocolate in a lodge huge windowwatching everybody go by.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
It was so beautiful and safe.
Nice, I didn't have to worryabout anything.
Nice.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Sometimes, if I'm being totally honest, I sit in
the car with a cup of hot coffeeand just look out the window
and watch Mel Lee work.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I feel bad for the teams that are moving in.
This is not the weather youwant to be moving into, and it's
impossible to get the trucksclean Because as soon as we
drive them to the truck wash thetruck wash, which is literally
a block away a thousand feetmaybe away.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
By the time you drive it right back, it's got black
streets and stuff all over itfrom the freaking salt and all
the crap they put on the roadand then the next morning when
we go to do the move-in,everything's frozen the locks-
are frozen the toolbox arefrozen and then we can't clean
the floor.
We usually wait until themorning of a move-in to do our
final cleaning of the floor,Because after we get it cleaned

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we're in and out of the truckstill.
Well, we can't clean the floorbecause as soon as you spray
cleaning solution, it freezes onthe floor.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
It's just fun.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
What's really fun, though, is when a team comes in
on a day like this to move in,and they're just not prepared.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And you're going to hang out outside.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
We get out of the van and we're all bundled.
I got my hoodie on with mybalaclava and thermals, do you?
Still use the electric jacketor not, I still use the electric
jacket and the lights on theycan see the light on my jacket
and you walk up to them and it'slike you weren't prepared at
all for this, were you?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well, we're going to spend the next 15 minutes
outside the truck.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
So if you've got a heavier jacket you want to put
on, why don't you do that?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, but then every now and then you meet that one
person who's in flip-flop shortsand a t-shirt and they're like,
oh, I'm fine yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Like all right.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Now we're going to spend a half hour out here, yeah
, I want to push that boundary.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
But we do get there early and get the heat going
inside the truck at least.
So once we get in the truckit's a little warmer.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
You're talking about the floor getting it clean.
We had a team, so one of thevery first we started buying
brand-new trucks.
We started buying trucks andbought used trucks.
When you buy a used truckyou've got to go in it and find
out what's wrong with it and allthat stuff.
So Eric and I would do that andget it ready for a team and
then put a team in it.
We thought, buying a brand newtruck, we don't have to do all

(42:21):
that, the truck's ready to go.
So we had one of our teams picktheir truck up and she moved
into it and they moved into itand they had all kinds of minor
issues, but still issues upfront that now again, we don't
do that anymore.
We pick them up and go throughthem ourselves.
But she called me and she wasalmost in tears because she's
like I've cleaned this wholetruck but I can't get the floor

(42:42):
clean because it's just turninginto ice as soon as I spray it.
Because it was January inColosal.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
Idaho.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And I'm like, don't worry about it, I'm going to
pick it up and bring it down toLouisiana and there's no ice
down there.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
We'll get it cleaned there.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
We'll get it cleaned there.
I get in the truck.
It is spotless.
You could eat off literally thefloor, but she couldn't get it
any cleaner and I'm like yeah,it was insane but that was.
I remember getting that phonecall, just being like it's
turning to ice and almost intears and I'm like it's not that
big of a deal, We'll get itcleaned 72 days.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
You're trying to make it sound like it's great.
I have an idea.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
You've heard of an advent calendar, right.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
We should do 72 days of whiskey 72 days of whiskey
and rum.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
So if we say within a half month, it would sound like
less Does it?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I don't think so.
72 days of winter remaining.
Yes, you start with dark, heavywhiskeys.
So every night you get to havelike an ounce, and then it gets
lighter, okay, and then at somepoint it goes into rum, okay.
Because, rum is more spring.
And then you, just you know,eventually you have Bacardi
Silver To celebrate.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
To celebrate, I'm going to pass on the Bacardi
Silver, but you know that'squality rum.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
We did this last year and I think the year before,
because this moment in timehappens and the cold happens and
we talk about it.
Let's do the positive.
The positive is we have so manydays until spring.
That's a positive.
No, it's not and every day wewake up.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
It's a shortened period of time this is not like
the christmas countdown I got 72sleeps till christmas?

Speaker 5 (44:26):
no, no no it's.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I got 72 more days of 15 degree weather.
Really put an actual number onit.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
No, no because we'll get faux spring.
We'll have first faux springand then, winter, and then
second faux spring and thenwinter, and then you'll have a
month of winter before you getthe third faux spring.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Hard winter, too Hard winter Snow.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
People's pipes will burst It'll be hard winter.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
And then summer immediately happens.
Immediately In 77 days, in 77days, summer will immediately
happen.
Immediately In 77 days, in 77days, summer will immediately
happen.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And summer flips a switch.
Yes, summer is like I thinkit's spring.
It's kind of nice, it's likehot.
Yep, here I am here I am.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Summer just shows up, it just shows up.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's like the drunk uncle at the party he's like I'm
, here.
I'm here.
How are you drunk already, butno one knows when they're
arriving.
Is summer coming, maybe?

Speaker 5 (45:22):
I think March 1st is the first official day of spring
.
The first fake ones come inApril.
That's why it's called AprilFools.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
It's kind of nature's way of saying it yeah, but last
.
I was going to say last winter.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
He said it, not me, he owns the company.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So last spring FCC can direct your attention to
Last spring.
We didn't get a spring.
I don't think we got a springlast year, did we?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
We skipped.
It went straight from freezingto hot.
It was 72 days from now andthen it went 77.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
The uncle came bursting in.
We did have a couple differentfaux springs.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
We did.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
But we never had an official spring.
We had faux spring, winter, andthen from winter to, like you
said, maybe spring, nope, summer.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
It was really unique.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
It was an off year.
Last year was an off yearBecause last year.
Summer didn't want to end.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Summer was here for the party.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Summer was here, for the Summer was like November.
It was like what's thisThanksgiving thing?
You?

Speaker 6 (46:26):
guys talk about.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I want to experience that.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'd like to visit and then you guys are wondering why
we have snow right now.
She was upset and then, old man, I didn't get my chance.
Now I can.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Old man Fall fell, old man, winter came in with
guns blazing.
He did which you know.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
He got all the summer hoodlums out real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yes, yes, yeah, so that's Snow Talk.
That's a new segment that we'llhave for the next six weeks,
and I won't be here for that.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Do you read articles from Freight Waves?
I do, nice.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I do and speaking of, I saw an article on Freight
Waves and I read it.
I read it not read, it Read itand it was interesting.
So, New York City, our goodfriends at New York City.
Yeah, good friends at New YorkCity, shout out to New York.

(47:20):
Jerry, you've been there abunch.
You like New York, right?
Yeah, if there's one thing youhad to say about New York you've
told us many, many times, it'sthat it's uncongested right.
That it's easy to get in and outno issues, right, yeah, is that
really what you're saying?
No, no.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
No, it's congested.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It's congested as Unless it's COVID.
It's as crazy as COVID what?

Speaker 3 (47:47):
We got across the GW in record time during COVID
Nobody was on the bridge.
We're like 45?
The whole way, no way.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Way.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
It was way.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
So New York City has introduced and made official and
passed the New York SupremeCourt and all this stuff.
They are now doing congestionpricing for Manhattan, yeah, for
Manhattan, yeah.
So what that means is, if youdrive into Manhattan in your
personal car, in a commercialtruck, in an 18-wheeler, you pay

(48:24):
a dollars to go into the city.
It's like a toll that you haveto pay for what they call peak
travel times, which is prettybroad, because it's like 6 or 7
am in the morning until 9 pm onthe weekdays and at night it's 9
to 9, 9 am to 9 pm.

(48:45):
But if it's outside of thosetimes, you still pay a toll, but
it's less.
It's considerably less and whatthey're trying to do is a few
things.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
They're trying to one make it less congested, like,
if you want to drive to New YorkCity, it's going to cost you,
right?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And so they're trying to get people $9 a day or
whatever.
I think it's $9 a day for anindividual car.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Yes, that's what I'm seeing here.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Like a person just driving their car to work, so
it's $9 a day for an individualcar.
Yes, that's what I'm seeinghere.
Like a person just drivingtheir car to work, so they
figure $9 a day.
You're going to go to work fivedays a week, that's real quick
math $45 times 4.3, which is theweeks in a month, is $180 plus
some yes, Trying to make it towhere it's like oh, that's

(49:38):
really expensive.
I'm not going to do that.
Instead, I'm going to take a$2.25 subway into the city and
go that route, so it's to limitcongestion.
Get cars off the road so theyare like a toll bridge is told,
so that they can pay for theconstruction and upkeep of the
bridge.
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
This is a penalty toll.
This is we don't want you here.
So if you're going to come, wedon't want your vehicle here, we
don't want your vehicle here.
So if you're going to driveyour vehicle here, you're going
to pay a toll, a tax, one maysay.
I've actually heard it calledthat.
I'll explain later what itmeans by the tax.
And so get rid of congestion isone of the things.

(50:20):
The second thing is, uh to umlimit the number of trucks that
are in the area during thosebusiness hours.
Now, they've been trying thisfor years with uh, peak times to
come in the city and not fortrucking, and suggestions, and
they've had all kinds of schemeson that for years and years and
years.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Um, it's never really worked how are they supposed to
get their supplies?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
They say come after hours, oh, okay.
Like bring your stuff whenbusinesses are closed.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Which sounds like a great idea.
If I'm at Target Store in themiddle of Manhattan or Kmart,
which was my favorite place togo to outside of Penn Station.
It was like a three-story Kmart.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
Anyways, Eric, everyone, all right, yeah, it
was huge it was great.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So you would like.
It makes sense that guy canshow up at midnight, that Kmart
can unload them and restock theshelves, and when it opens in
the morning it's fine.
But what they're not thinkingabout is what about construction
, Job site construction?
What about a lab?
A small lab that's got sixpeople that work there, that's

(51:19):
only open business hours.
So it's got some issues, whichis why it really hasn't worked,
Because most places don't haveafter-hour delivery available.
We don't.
If someone wants to delivertire chains to us at midnight
tonight, they ain't doing it.
We don't have the ability to.
That's why it's never workedout before in the past.
So, getting commercial trucksout of there, overall, relieving

(51:43):
congestion from everybody else.
They're also looking at allthat increase of money, because
there's still going to be a lotof people that go.
There's going to be thosepeople that are making half a
million dollars a year that arejust going to look at that toll
and go like yeah, whatever.
Just pay it A lot of them ifthey're high enough in their
company.
Their company is eating it, notthem.
That will be a perk for certaincompanies to say like hey,

(52:07):
we'll pay your congestion fee.
They know there's going to be alot of money incoming to the
city.
They say we'll see how thisgoes.
They're saying they're going totake all that money and put it
into the subway system Mostly.
I mean they also say like rapidtransit in general, but the

(52:27):
bulk of it's going to the subway.
And I don't know if y'all spenda lot of time in New York City,
if you're listening to thispodcast and you spend a lot of
time in New York City.
I don't mean in a truck, I justmean like out and about New
York City subway is amazing andcrumbling at the same time.
It'll get you everywhere.
It's great.
It's fairly on time.

(52:48):
Fairly it's not great, but it'sdecent.
It goes everywhere, but it'scrumbling.
It's literally.
You can sit there and seeconcrete like cracking and
falling out of the roof.
It's crazy how bad a disrepairit is.
They've got articles all aboutlike almost all of the delays

(53:11):
are crumbling,infrastructure-related repair
and maintenance.
It's very rarely staffingissues.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So their goal is to take all this money and help
beef this system up so that itgets more reliable, right?
And then, lastly, they'resaying, by having less people in
the city, emergency serviceswill have faster times in and
out of the city.
So if you're having a heartattack, and seconds count, well,

(53:40):
if the ambulance is stuck intraffic, not a lot they can do
about it.
But if there's not that trafficthere, get to you and
potentially save lives, saveyour lives, wow.
So that's what's happening,that's the way they're selling
it.
They're selling it and itsounds great, right, like at
first glance it's kind of likeokay, that's kind of cool.
We've experienced it, uh, in um, london, london, uh, like

(54:02):
england, london, england has itin their downtown area.
It's still reasonably congested, there's still a lot of buses
and people around, but it's notbumper to bumper.
New york city insanity.
And the reason it's not isbecause years ago they actually
implemented congested tollingand so they do have people like

(54:23):
if you want to take your car in,you get taxed.
Now the taxi cabs are exempt,the buses are exempt, the
garbage trucks are exempt.
You know, those kind ofservices are exempt.
I'm not sure what New YorkCity's doing.
I'm sure the taxiicabs will beexempt, but I don't know about
Ubers.
I'm kind of curious about that.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah, I was going to ask about Ubers or Lyft.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Everything I've read hasn't said which way it's going
to be.
I'm not sure yet, but I do knowthis.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Or do you add that on to the person's fee?

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Well, that's interesting, though, because
cars have a daily rate they do.
They're not paying every timethey go in.
They're paying a daily rate,yes, so that could be more
reasonable.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I agree Than $9 a day is the cost of doing business.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
And I think about a lot of airports.
If you do Ubers a lot and youfly in and out of different
airports, you'll notice a lot ofairports now are charging Uber
and Lyft fees.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Oh yeah, it's one of the reasons.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah, per ride.
It's one of the reasons why,for a long time, uber wasn't in
a lot of airports.
I mean, like the whole reason Ihave Lyft on my phone is
because I flew somewhere.
It might have been Tulsa,oklahoma or something, and Uber
wasn't there, and it might havebeen you, jerry, that actually
told me to check out Lyft.
I think you were using Lyft alot back then.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I was.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Vince used Lyft a lot , so I downloaded Lyft and sure
enough they had cars.
And so I was like that's weirdand looked it up.
And sure enough it's, becauseLyft was fine with paying the
fee and Uber was like trying todo a hard no and twist the
city's arm.
Well, long story short, uber'slearned that doesn't work with
municipalities.
Cities don't care, governmentdoesn't care.
So now if you take an Uber atone of those places, you'll

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notice there's always a littleairport charge Not always, but a
lot of times there is anairport charge.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
If the airport's charging that extra fee, then
lift an Uber and pass it on tothem Absolutely.
Same thing with taxi cabs,though, too.
Yes, you know, taxi cabspicking up the airport are
charging an extra fee as well.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, and a lot of times they put it in a base rate
.
Yeah, exactly They'll say likeoh, the base rate's $4.50, and
then it's every so-and-so right.
Right, so they're hiding it,but it's there talk about,
because I have opinions on itand this is an interesting group
of people.
We have some relativelyconservative people among us, we

(56:41):
have some relatively liberalpeople among us and I thought
this would be a fun topic totalk about because, depending on
where you're sitting, thiseither sounds great or horrible.
So, as a trucking company thatcharges the tolls back to the
customer doesn't affect us awhole lot because we're just

(57:06):
going to pass that on to thecustomer.
So your package that you needus to deliver just got $14.80
more expensive, which on a$3,000 delivery who cares?

Speaker 6 (57:19):
It's nothing, not a huge deal.
Not a big deal at all.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
But if you are a small local company like this
article talks about, they talkabout this guy.
He's the head of the I forgotwhat the name of it was Trucking
Association of New York.
That's the one so he runs.
Trucking Association of NewYork.
That's the one so he runs.
Trucking Association of NewYork.
He owns a rapid deliveryexpress company within New York

(57:43):
City.
All they do is New York City,so New York to New York.
They might go to Jersey, butthey're not going very far.
Sure, and he's talking abouthow unfair the system is and how
the prices on his parcels areso cheap that that toll does add
a lot, because he feels like hecan't pass that on.

(58:05):
And he was saying I think$8,000 a month is what it's
going to add that also, sayingevery time for trucks yes, it is
.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
Every time for trucks .
That's the point I was tryingto make earlier.
I realize you hadn't got tothat.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
But trucks pay every.
It is Every time for trucks.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
That's the point I was trying to make earlier.
I realize you hadn't got tothat, but trucks pay every time
they enter.
There is not a daily rate fortrucks, and trucks pay more than
do cars.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yes, but yet they want supplies.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
What's that?
Yes, they want supplies.
Yeah, it's kind of likeConnecticut's tax on trucks,
right?
It is when, yeah, they wanttheir supplies, but they're
taxing trucks coming throughConnecticut, absolutely Just
passing through using theirroads.
So I mean, you're still.
I'll let you finish what youwere saying.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Eric had something to add.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
You said what I was going to say.
It's a tax on trucks thataren't even doing business there
.
They just need to get toMassachusetts or anywhere else
northeast past New York, right.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, and Connecticut's is rough like that
.
Now New York City's tax is onlygoing into Manhattan, so if
you're taking the GWB orsomething, you're not getting
taxed on it and they actuallyhave a grid of streets and I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
So it's the hub of the skyscraper area of Manhattan
.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Absolutely.
Yes, absolutely that,absolutely.
That makes sense, it is.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
The congested area.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So it is streets and avenues below 60th and all the
way.
That's it.
Now they do exclude the WestSide Highway, the FDR Drive and
the Tunnel Main Roads the WestSide Highway, the FDR Drive and
the Tunnel Main Roads.
So those are like it's a weirdinterstate that shouldn't be

(59:43):
there.
There's an interstate on theeast side, west side Well, it's
on both sides of Manhattan,that's.
It's an eyesore.
I don't know why they havethese.
They're not taxing those roadsBecause they are full-fledged
highways.
These are more for like surfacestreets.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Sure, you're crisscross one way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Exactly All of that running the grid of your
skyscraper downtown yeah so ifyou're like coming through a
tunnel and you're going to jumpon that freeway and then drive
it out, they're not taxing you.
But if you're coming in and youwant to stop at Dunkin' Donuts
and then get on that freeway,you're paying.
He was saying that again it'sgoing to add about $8,000 a

(01:00:26):
month in his cost for hiscompany alone and again he
represents the TruckingAssociation of New York and
they're suing to overturn this,and it seemed like their biggest
gripe was what Vince was sayingabout the unfairness of trucks

(01:00:48):
being taxed per load versus thecars.
So it's almost like they'rekind of accepting the fee, but
not really.
But kind of accepting the fee.
They just don't like the factthey have to pay every single
time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
So a car can go in, a car can go out, a car can go in
20 times say an Uber like anUber and he's only going to get
charged the $9 for one day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Or you drive in, you go to work for a couple hours,
you drive up to the Bronx andyou have a meeting with someone
and you drive back to youroffice.
So you went out of the zone,back into the zone.
Then for lunch you popped intoQueens to have something to eat
for lunch and then you go rightback into your zone.
You're not paying anymore.
You've paid your $9.
You're good to go right.
Then you drive back home.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
But for the delivery driver for this trucking
association, he's going out toget supplies, bringing it back
into store.
A going out to get supplies,Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Very common for construction sites.
So a lot of times, aconstruction site, you'll go,
you'll make a delivery, you'llgo right back to the
construction site's distributionwarehouse.
Yeah, staging area, Because inManhattan there's no staging
area.
So you really are like, okay,go ahead and bring stack A of

(01:02:04):
2x4s.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And you go get stack A and bring it back and then,
you have to go back and getstack B and be back here in two
hours with stack B.
So every single time they'regetting dinged $14, though not
the $9.
So $14 for a straight truck.
They call it a small truck, asingle vehicle, commercial
vehicle.
And then they say it's $22 fora or $21.60 for a two-wheel

(01:02:30):
vehicle, truck, 18-wheeler.
So you look at 18-wheeler costs.
If that's what you're runningin and out with a construction
company, $22 per trip in and outis a lot.
I mean, that could really rackup a lot, Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I have opinions.
Are you ready for them?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I am or you have more story.
Well, let me just see.
I think I've given you all theinformation, so yeah, let's talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I would fight it too, because you're bringing this,
especially if you're a smallercompany like you said, maybe a
construction company or I couldpicture like a little delivery
truck.
I know when we did a coupleloads into New York City, there
was, you know, the bread or the,you know whatever your local
deliveries were.
So why not a flat fee?

(01:03:19):
Or why not a flat fee for themonth for said companies?
You know you have 10 trucks.
You're going to average theamount of loads into the
community.
So we feel $500 for 30 dayswould be enough for tax.

(01:03:39):
You come and go as you please.
Yeah, you know, like a roundnumber.
Ultimately, you're just tryingto get money to redo the system.
My question is is if you'reforcing everybody out of their
cars because maybe people don'twant to pay and you're putting
all those people on the subway,is the subway really holding
that many people?
How crowded are you going to be?

(01:03:59):
Are you going to have to amp upmore trains, more lines like
where?
Where are you driving thepeople to the subways?
Like that would be my questionwell, how does?
that change buses.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So there's a few things here that's kind of fun.
One is they are saying thatthat's part of the tax, part of
the money or the toll, rather isgoing to go to the subway,
because, even though you'll havean increase in ridership, so,
like now, the subway isliterally getting more money
because people are paying to goon the subway.

(01:04:32):
Sure, it's not enough toquickly buy more trains.
It's not enough to quickly rampup your infrastructure, right,
you need a lot of money for that.
So by this they're able to buyso many trains I forget how many
it is.
I did actually like I said,this article is specifically on
trucking, but I have actuallyseen other videos and articles

(01:04:53):
on what they're doing and it'squite a few trains.
They're buying quite a few carsto be able to handle the influx
of people, right?
So, yes, from here it's like,oh, that's not good, but they're
already starting to invest inbuying that equipment, knowing
this money's coming, becausegovernment's just like a
business they can buy on oncredit, knowing that, okay, well

(01:05:14):
, this is coming.
So they're already doing that.
The other side to it is thesubway.
As much as I love the subwayand you just heard me say it's
great, it goes everywhere.
It doesn't actually goeverywhere.
There are large areas of NewYork City where the subway
doesn't go and, shockingly,those are in predominantly poor

(01:05:35):
areas, so it's making it moredifficult for people that are in
lower socioeconomic situationsto get to the better jobs.
So the tax I was referring tois poor tax.
People are saying what they'vecreated is a poor tax right.

(01:05:56):
You can only afford to driveyour car into the city, so now
you have to pay more moneybecause there is no other option
, because our subway doesn't goto where you live.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Sure, so now you've got to take a cab, a bus or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
You have to get to the subway to ride the subway.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I don't know.
I like the idea of the tax I doif it's going to help beef up
your infrastructure.
Also, do there really need tobe that many cars down that area
?
Vince and I did it.
How many circles did we dobefore we could pull over and
offload?
I think we did six, six loopsin manhattan before we were

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permitted by if you cross thewrong streets, but but permitted
by the, where we weredelivering to.
It's now time for your truck topark here yeah we're ready to
unload you, but we literally hadto do loops around the blocks,
for I would say we did three tosix loops.
But cars, but I thought thepeople quantity was a lot too on

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the streets and walking Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
It's a very densely populated area so you can't find
parking.
But you know the poor peopletax has been brought up a number
of times in different scenarioswhen it comes to things like
express lanes on highways.
In California, around the LosAngeles area, you have the HOV

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lanes.
For a long time we're free.
If you were running carpool Twoor more in a car, you were free
.
You couldn't be in there if youwere a single.
And then they brought on theexpress lanes where they told
you even if you were in acarpool during certain hours and
if you were single, you couldride it if you were paying for
it.
You know people who, of lowerincome, couldn't afford to pay

(01:07:46):
that extra money above andbeyond the repairs in their
vehicle and fuel to pay thatexpress, so they're stuck in
traffic.
So on one hand, you'repenalizing people that can't
afford to pay this tax to usethese lanes.
On the other hand, if that taxis going towards a

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infrastructure upgrade orsomething that benefits the
masses versus just thewell-to-do, I think I'm okay
with charging people with moneyto help take care of things for
the masses, whether it's masstransit or whatever else.
It may be Not saying that otherfolks need to be on a bus or

(01:08:29):
something.
But if you're taxing aparticular group by choice, not
forcing someone look, you make$20 an hour.
You're paying this extra taxnot that way, but saying, hey,
you're choosing to use theselanes and pay this toll.
Well, that money is going to gotowards something that helps
everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah.
So I'm kind of torn Well and thecity of New York has done a lot
of things to improve its publictransit options.
So, like the city bike thing,they've got city bikes, which is
city bikes because it's namedafter Citibank.
They sponsor it, but the citybikes are everywhere.
They're free to use.

(01:09:09):
You have to form an accountonline, but you can check a bike
out, ride it and go wherever.
And to back that up, the cityof New York has put in hundreds
of miles of bike paths thatdidn't used to exist, so now you
have dedicated bike lanes asopposed to just trying to ride
in the streets, run in peopleover.
Yeah, so they've done a lot ofimprovement on that because they

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recognize some people don'twant to ride a bus.
They of improvement on thatbecause they recognize some
people don't want to ride a bus.
They would rather get on theirbike and go ride somewhere.
So they are trying to come upwith multiple ways of doing
things.
When I look at something likewell, the subway doesn't go to
certain areas and Eric and Ihave been a victim of this
Victim, that's a strong word.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
But we were Subject to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Subject to thank you.
We picked a hotel out one timewe were staying in New York City
and we were like, oh, thiswould be great, let's go and
stay at this place.
It's an ancient hotel.
It's been there since the 1700sand it was a hotel for the
sailors when they would come into the harbor to stay at.
And it was really cool.

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They had all these really tinyrooms and then on the corners of
the building were the officersfor the ship, their places,
their rooms and stuff.
So it was a really coolexperience.
So we stayed there.
We didn't realize there was nobus, there was no subway, there
was no transit at all.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
It was the last building before the Hudson River
.
Yeah, before the Hudson Riverthere was no transit at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
It was the last building before the Hudson River
, yeah, before the Hudson Riverthere was no options, so it was
literally like get off thesubway and we're just going to
walk for the next 30 minutes toget there.
Oh, it was brutal, but it was acool experience.
But we did get to see.
So like I do think about thatwhen I think of like there are
certain areas of the city thatare just not served, and that's

(01:10:56):
where I'm like, okay, that'stricky, but if they are putting
more buses on those on thestreet, if they are, you know, I
don't know they're going toexpand the subway anytime soon,
they really need to work on, um,upgrading and and taking care
of what they've got, and thenthey can think about expanding
it some more.
Um, so it's not like those newareas are going's, not like
those areas are going to get newsubways anytime soon.

(01:11:17):
And even if they did, that'stwo miles of subways, a decade
project, a 10-year project.
So I like the idea from thatperspective.
I love the.
So when you read the numbers ofpeople in London and Paris has
done it too, and there's acouple other cities that have
done it, that have put thiscongestion pricing in and

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cleared up their downtown areas.
It's also good for pollution.
It gets a lot of pollution outof the city as well, when you
look at the response times fromEMS and the amount of people
that survive time-criticalailments.
So not you broke your arm, butagain you're having a stroke,
you're having a heart attack,you're having a seizure or

(01:12:04):
something like that.
It does go significantly up.
Those cities have seen adramatic increase and when you
look at the polling back in theday, it's a lot of people are
against it, they hated it, andif you really look at the
numbers today, everyone loves itnot everyone, but most people
love it, right like most peoplelove that paris is easily

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accessible downtown, whereas 10years ago it wasn't.
They love that you can easilyget into downtown London,
whereas again ten years ago youcouldn't.
And I think over time that'sgoing to happen in New York City
as well, but I don't know.
I may see where it goes.
I've already talked to somefriends who hate it and I'm like
I get that too.
I understand the downside.

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I understand people don't likeit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
What's your guys' opinion over there on the fellow
couch.
I'm just curious on the areaswhere you're saying the subway
doesn't go to because I didn'tpull up a map or anything.
I mean, are those, even in thetolling area, like could they
drive to a hub and then get onthe subway and without having to
be told?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, some of the outer places can, but like, if
you're in the Bronx and you'retrying to get into Manhattan,
there's a couple subway linesthat go up there and it's all
city between the Bronx and NewYork City.
There is no place to park anddo that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
That's true, just extra info.
The place you're talking about,from there to the nearest train
stop, is an 11-minute walk.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Jerry, what's your thoughts on this?
I'm all for it.
I mean, whenever I stop andthink about it, whenever you
weigh the good with the bad,there's more good than there is
bad.
There's more good on theoutcomes of it.
And whenever it comes down toversus a personal car and a
truck, there's always going tobe more of a cost to do business

(01:14:00):
.
Sure, always versus theindividual.
It's that goes with anythingfrom credit cards.
Business cards are always goingto pay more.
Whenever it comes to you get abusiness, internet at home or
office, you're going to paydouble or triple what a home
would pay.
It's always going to cost moreto do business.
Those businesses are just goingto pass that cost on to more

(01:14:21):
people.
You're going to see, like thatguy in the article, I think he's
going to see a cost but he'sjust going to turn around and
pass that on to the customers.
Right, that's what everybusiness in the world does.
It's the only option we haveRight Sure.
And I remember back in the day,whenever you know they were
coming out with redoing healthcare and Obamacare, whatever
everybody calls it I rememberPapa John's coming out saying oh

(01:14:43):
well, I'm going to have toraise my pizzas by 87 cents to
give health insurance to mystaff.
Well, I would much rather pay87 cents more for that benefit
of your staff having healthcoverage and all this other
stuff.
I would rather pay a little bitmore if I choose to take my
vehicle into these areas becauseof the good and the benefits

(01:15:04):
that it all provides.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
The unfortunate thing a couple of unfortunate things
there is.
There are people that don'thave that same attitude as you
and don't want to pay the extra87 cents for that pizza.
They want the cheapest thingthey can possibly get.
The other thing that, and I getyou.
The other thing, though, isthat the companies I can't speak
for, pop to Papa John'sdirectly, cause I don't know,
but there are a lot of companies, when that happened, decided oh

(01:15:27):
well, our employees are nolonger full-time employees,
they're now part-time and we'recutting their hours.
And those people didn't getbenefits from the company
because the company decided thatthat was their way of cutting
those costs.
Speaking of low income, I diddig a little deeper.
There is a 50% discountavailable for low income vehicle
owners enrolled in the lowincome discount plan.

(01:15:50):
The discount begins after thefirst 10 trips in a calendar
month.
So if you make 10 trips in atfull rate, then you are eligible
for the discount.
You have to apply for it andprove income.
There's also a low-income taxcredit for residents where you
can get a.
If you have an adjusted grossincome less than $60,000, you

(01:16:12):
may qualify for a tax credit inthe amount of tolls paid.
So there are programs here tohelp people, the lower-income
people that have to drive in.
There's also exemptions fordisabled persons, emergency
vehicles, school buses andspecial government-owned
vehicles.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
What about for companies, though?
Are they doing the same thingfor lower-income companies?

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Like he was saying, ups, fedex, there's no such
thing as a lower-income company.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I hear what you're saying, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
No, if you're a business, you're paying full
boat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
No, but I mean think about what our future
commander-in-chief said.
He paid no taxes.
Like there's a lot of smallbusiness owners who make money,
but when it comes down totaxable income they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
So there's you know there's small business owners
that take it counts as businessexpense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Well, no, they take full advantage of the exchange.
The insurance exchange and theyget it for next to nothing.
And whether that's crooked orsmart, it's not for me to decide
.
Well, is it legal?

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Or is it legal?
It is legal, it's legal.
It's legal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
But I learned.
So when I went to college I hadto take an ethics class and
there's ethics and there's legal.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
They're not the same.
They're not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
So that's the question I have when I think
about these things.
Now we're in a situation wherewe have a large enough staff
that we have insurance benefitsfor everybody, and so we just
joined that plan.
That is how we pay for ourhealth insurance.
So we're not on the exchangeand we're not buying that way.
But there's a lot of people todo, A lot of people to do, and

(01:18:01):
it's not illegal.
The system was set up for that.
So if you can show that you'renot making any income, you are
getting a low income, eventhough you run that bakery, even
though you have a house inRehoboth Beach.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
You know what I mean Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Like if you can show and you can get into it.
Now I mean, don't get me wrong,there's a lot of people that go
to jail for fraud.
So I mean, you know thathappens too.
But yeah, I'm sure there'sgoing to be people who take
advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I do think, though, that there should be some kind
of a plan where you're paying awhole number if you're having 40
franz bread trucks yeah goingin every 30, 40 minutes probably
doesn't happen that quick.
It's new york city, let's getreal but you know what I'm
saying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
It might be though but.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
But what I'm saying is if you're having, you happen
to have 50 to 100 trucksdelivering, whatever it might be
coffee beans, so there's a lotof coffee shops.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Whatever it might be, if you're having multiple
vehicles multiple times a day, Ido think there should be a cap
on it.
I think that would be fair.
I don't know what that caplooks like, I'm not part of the
the courts of making decisions,but I think there should be a
cap.
And I get where the truckingassociation guy is saying

(01:19:20):
something's not fair or notright.
I hate to say not fair becauselife's not fair, come on, people
, but I do think there needs tobe a cap on it of some sort,
because that business.
I mean, how are you ultimatelygoing to what if you do two
bread deliveries to the samecompany in one day?
Are you literally charging themthe $24, $28, whatever it's

(01:19:43):
going to be?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Or flour or whatever.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
A bakery might have several loads of flour for a
30-day period for a company thathas a quantity of so many
trucks crossing your streetlines, your boundary lines.
And that would just be my take.
Otherwise, I think the wholething sounds pretty cool, in my
opinion, if it's helping theinfrastructure of transportation

(01:20:07):
.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
So I might have a little bit of an insight-ish on
that.
So he does say how do you passon these calls to the consumer?
Maybe a bigger trucking companylike UPS or FedEx can withstand
that.
I know a lot of small companiescan't.
He's talking about how a lot ofpeople are trying to get out of
the business or reconsiderdoing business in New York and
all that stuff which to me isvery reminiscent of when
California passed all theoriginal CARB stuff and said you

(01:20:30):
have a DPF filter and then youhave to have an SCR filter.
So many people I mean who's theguy on the radio that was like
stop going to California, russ.

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Limbaugh.
I'm just throwing out names, Idon't know.
Rutherford.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Oh, Kevin Rutherford, he was like just don't go to
California anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
There's lots of freight outside of California.
And he's right, there's lots offreight outside of California.
But what happened was thepeople that could go to
California started charging morefor it.
So the same thing is going tohappen in New York, Right Like
already.
If you go to New York and get adouble cheeseburger, it's like
$6.
Where it's here in Ohio it's $4.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Like you're already paying a New York tax because
it's so much more expensive.
Go to Alaska.
That same double cheeseburgeris like $8.
Like there are some things thatcome with where you're at
regionally, but when he'stalking about the big companies
can absorb it.
So those big companies the UPSs, the FedExs, those giant LTLs

(01:21:27):
that go in and out of New YorkCity, and all the tolls with the
GWB and all the parking ticketsand all that stuff, what they
do pretty much all of them doevery year.
They go to the city of New Yorkand say, how does $100 million

(01:21:55):
sound?
And the city goes sounds good.
They write a check for $100million.
That's the end of it, so lessthan what they probably want,
Less than what they owe, butit's a quick settle.
The city gets their moneyimmediately.
Anyway, it may be $10 million,but still it's whatever it is,
they're writing a check.
They're writing a huge checkone that would make all of our

(01:22:15):
eyes water, just to make it goaway.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
And so I can't help but wonder are they going to do
the exact same thing?
They're going to go in withoutthe toll passes, they're going
to get all the fees and finesand everything, and then once a
year they're going to go intothe city of New York and say a
year they're going to go intothe city of New York and say
let's settle for a little less.
Yeah like how does this sound?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Yeah, hmm, it's interesting for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
But a little company can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
No.
So another question is do youhave some sort of a I think of
Moo Moo car wash, the littlescanner on your windshield
that's got a chip in it?
Are they going to have scannersat every intersection of said
street?
So when you cross it, it'sgoing to ding you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
That's absolutely right, and when?

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
you leave, it's going to ding you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
They're pushing E-ZPass, which is their toll
thing right now, and usingE-ZPass for it, or if you're not
using E-ZPass, you'll get thetoll by mail.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
New York City owns EasyPass.
They are the makers of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, EasyPass is a New York City company.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Tolls by mail will be more expensive.
The prices that Patrick wastalking about.
Those are all EasyPass prices.
If you don't have EasyPass, thetolls will cost more.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
But most of those people already have EasyPass
because you have to have it toget in the tunnels, you have to
have it to get across the GWB.
Every single one of our truckshas it, like it's a super common
.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Especially if you lived in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
But they're going to put these little trackers of
some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Scanning device.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
Change the program.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
But on corners, like on 64th and 5th, oh sure.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
That's probably not a street intersection.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
But you know what I'm saying.
They'll have a transponder, soanywhere you're going and you
cross it, it's going to go bloopand it's going to ding you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
So that's what I'm saying.
So you're talking aboutwhatever.
Well, yeah, it could be every20, 30 minutes, because their
warehouse is here and thecompany is here.
Companies here Across thestreet, across the street.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
The big ones will be the people like, literally, your
bread route people, your milkroute people.
Anybody that's doing thoseroutes is going to have to
re-evaluate those routes.
Because if your truck has yougo out of the bounds, across the
street and back down, acrossand back up.
One truck could rack up $100.
You're going to have tore-route your trucks to make

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sure once they get in the route.
They stay in it they stay in it, do everything they can and
then leave.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Here's a fun fact.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
I love fun facts.
There's already rate increasesplanned into this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Well, okay, yes, there is rate increases planned
into it.
I saw that too.
But there's also this thingstarted at 40% of what they
wanted it to be, right, sure.
So originally, the city of NewYork said I'm not going to put
this through, I'm going to holdit tight, yada, yada.
And when he finally agreed to,they had dropped the prices.
Either they dropped it 40% orthey went down to 40% of the

(01:25:13):
original.
They went down to 40% of theoriginal.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
That's not how I read that.
Okay, yeah, so today, for a carpeak period, it's $9.
In 2028, it goes up to $12.
And in 2031, it goes up to $15.
For a single-unit vehicle,today it is $14.40.
2028 goes to $19.20.
And $24 in 2031.

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And for a multi-unit vehicle,it's $21.60 today, it goes to
$28.80 in 2028 and $36 in 2031.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
What's going to be really fun is when you're over
the road, like our trucks are,and you took the Pennsylvania
Turnpike.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Which, oh my gosh All the way across, so you're at
$100.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Over $100 before you ever get to New York Well over
$100.
Then you jump on the New JerseyTurnpike for a couple minutes.
Not long.
Just pay them, whatever that is.
You jump across the GWB, whichis another About half of the
Pennsylvania term, About halfabout $50, $60.
You cut into New York, you godown into the city.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
And then you've got to get to Bronx Because you've
got.
Well, not the Bronx, You've gotto get to Manhattan.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
You've got to get to one of those customers there and
I can't see who the customersare.
But both carriers we work withhave customers in that area.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Yes they do you get?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
down there, yep, and then you remember that you had
that really great pizza placeyou wanted to go to and they
won't let you, so you bounce outof the area.
Yep, go back.
Yeah, that's going to be aconversation.
Oh, we have to have aconversation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
We're going to have to monitor this In our position,
though I mean that's reallygoing to come from the carrier.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I mean we're going to Absolutely 100% the big
over-the-road guys.
A lot of that's going to getpassed on to the carrier.
If you're paying thousands ofdollars to have something
shipped, 15 bucks, who cares?
It is going to get passed onthe carrier.
But our situation is because alot of our teams pop into New
York City and they have theirlittle private areas to park.

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you know I'm talking about anduh, I could see one of them
easily like hey, let's driveover to fill in the blank street
and get a piece of cheesecakeor a piece of pizza or something
and then drive back and theyaccidentally pop out of the zone
and back into it like when youcross a bridge it's pretty
obvious.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
But if it's just like a random street, so maybe
that's where they have to takean Uber or walk or the subway,
exactly, and we may have to havea little email go out just
telling people.
Or maybe they get the surchargepass along to their pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Sure, you know what?
Listen, I'm telling you rightnow.
I'm not even kidding.
I've had pizza and I've hadcheesecake worth $32 of
surcharge.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
My thing is I don't think it's a big deal for it to
be going up for the personalvehicles right, because that
money is slowly going into theinfrastructure for the subway.
That's going to grow.
More people are going to go onthe subway, so it's going to
balance each other out.
But the truck business isn'tgoing to change.
They can't unless they findsome other way.

(01:28:22):
Just taking advantage ofdelivering their stuff.
Why are they?
Why should they be getting that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
That's just a new tax .
They can't do anything else.
In my opinion, that's a new tax.
It's just a tax.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
They can't do anything else.
In my opinion, that's a new tax.
It's not like luxury traveling.
Yeah, extra travel, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
It's the Connecticut thing.
It's just a new way to get moremoney out of trucking in
general.
It's going to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I'm excited to see the fallout, the blowback, the
positives, all directions of it,to see where it goes and, in
our industry, with eithercarrier, see how teams be smart
about it and maybe include it ortrip plan differently.
Hopefully some of our teams arewatching this and the hubbub

(01:29:08):
will spread that this is goingon and you do need to be.
Maybe there's a map.
Is there a map?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
where you can download.
It's everything south of 60thStreet.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
So, you know, be very conscious of your.
How many loops around the cityare you going to do?
Vince and I drove them.
Would we have been in that orwould we have been in and out,
in and out, in and out when wedid our loops?
I mean, to me that's all partof trip planning and if they're
not ready for you to pull up andoffload and you do have to make

(01:29:39):
a loop, are you staying withinthe loop?
Are you going to get chargedcoming in and out?
So definitely, I'm excited tokind of see the fallout and the
positives, the negatives.
Yeah, let us know if you'vealready experienced it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Also for some information.
You said it was 63 and south ofthat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
The 60th I believe 60th and south.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
So for the record, 59th is the bottom edge of
Central Park.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
So two streets north of Central Park is where it
starts.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Let us know what you think about it in the comments.
Shoot us an email attheouterbeltpodcast at gmailcom.
Also known astheouterbeltpodcast at gmailcom.
And one more time from the newone.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
The Outer Belt Podcast at gmailcom.
Oh, she's in, she's in, she'sgood she makes the cut.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Please let us know real quick.
What do you all think ofZucchini Bread?
We'd love to hear your commentsas well on that.
Should we keep her or not?
It's going to be completely inyour hands, and by that I mean
mine, so we'd love to hear whatyou say.
If you were like what is thistrucking thing they do?
The first half had nothing todo with it.

(01:30:56):
The back half had everything todo with it.
Jerry, how can we find that out?

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Visit us over at highfieldtruckingcom.
You can find out all there isto know about Highfield on there
.
You can also reach out to usvia chat to our recruiting
department or give us a call at833-493-4353.
Option 1 for recruiting.
They would love to talk to youall day long and tell you all
about everything that we do atHighfield.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
That's 833 Highfield Option 1.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
833 Highfield.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Or 833-493-4353.
Option 1.
It's so funny Monday throughFriday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
If I have to give that number out, I have to ask
him.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Every time it's a text 8-3-3 Highfield.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
In the meantime, until we see you next week.
Welcome back to second part ofseason.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Happy 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Season three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Oh, I thought you were saying 2023.
I'm like no.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
That indeed is real.
2025, season three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yes, we have some great things planned for y'all.
We have some fun to be had, andI'll keep it short.
Looking forward to good timesand warm weather, yes sir 72
days.
Drive safe.
Make good decisions.
Don't leave money on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
And keep those wheels a-turning.
Good night, bye, bye, bye.

(01:32:50):
Thank you, bye.

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