The Astrology of 2024 with Chad the Maverick

In our final episode of the year, we catch up with astrologer Chad the Maverick for a fresh look at the stars. We take a look back at 2023, examining how the year's major planetary transits have influenced our lives and society as a whole. We also dive into Chad’s outlook for major transits to watch in 2024 and his forecast for the themes and energetic shifts we can anticipate in the year ahead. Eclipses and presidential elections, oh my!

To follow Chad’s astrology forecasts or book a reading, visit his website chadthemaverick.com or follow him at @chadthemaverick on Instagram.

...And that’s a wrap for season 4 of The Outerknown! Happy holidays, and keep your eyes peeled for season 5 coming in 2024.

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Episode Transcript

Chad (he/him) (00:00):
People are trying to compare themselves to things
that they don't even like, butthey just hear the concept like
this is the fashion trend andit's like, well, now I have to
go to this trend and in theNorth Node area is like you
don't even like that trend.
Why are you doing that?

Lane (she/her) (00:21):
Welcome to th e Outer k nown, a podcast that
shines a light on the outeredges of inner knowing.
Chad the Maverick is back.

Jackie (any pronouns) (00:41):
Hooray, I am so excited.
This was definitely one of myfavorite episodes to record last
year and I just am so excitedto dive into the astrology of
2024.
I know right.

Lane (she/her) (00:54):
One of my favorite things about astrology
is the year ahead looks, whetherit's from someone's birthday or
from the start of any calendaryear.
It's just really fun as anastrology geek to look ahead and
try to kind of guess what thevibes are going to be based on
the transits, but also to lookback and learn from what has
happened in the collective,especially over the last year,

(01:17):
and personally, oh for sure andyeah.
So I'm really excited to dothat with Chad.

Jackie (any pronouns) (01:22):
Yeah, it was really cool to sort of think
back on what he was talkingabout for 2023 and what came to
pass and just reflecting onmostly just kind of our
collective moment in the last 12months or so.
And we've got a lot of work todo, folks, we sure do, but it's
not all bad news.
There's definitely some thingsthat are developed and things to

(01:45):
kind of keep our eye on, bothas individuals and as a
collective society.

Lane (she/her) (01:51):
Absolutely.
It's been a really rough timein the collective in a lot of
ways, but at the same time, Ilove your point that there's
still some good things in theworld.

Jackie (any pronouns) (02:01):
So let's hear from Chad about the
astrology of 2024.

Lane (she/her) (02:10):
Chad.
Welcome back to the Outer known.

Chad (he/him) (02:13):
Hello, hello.
Thank you for having me back.
I'm so excited for today Same.

Jackie (any pronouns) (02:18):
We were just doing a little bit of
reflecting on your last episode,the last time you joined us
about this time last year, Rightand we're really looking
forward to kind of getting yourperspective on the year and
again looking at the year aheadand seeing what's going on
astrologically for 2024.

Chad (he/him) (02:38):
For sure.
It's definitely a differentenergetic year than this year.
I think last time I said that2023 feels like a loading page.
It's like a launchpad, if youwill, to have people start to
solidify things.
But it's definitely been rough.
I definitely think a lot ofpeople have been feeling the
heaviness of those trends in theprocess, and so I hope that

(03:00):
this obviously can give somemore clarity as to us entering
into 2024 and beyond.

Lane (she/her) (03:05):
Yeah, I'm so excited to chat to you, not only
about what's coming up, butalso just looking back,
reminiscing a little and all ofour respective 2023s.
So I mean, first of all, howhas your 2023 been and what have
you been up to since we lastchatted?

Chad (he/him) (03:19):
2023 has been a blissful bits of chaos.
It's been so good in a lot ofareas Starting a business I've
been doing astrology full timethis year.
It's definitely had its ups,its downs, but I think I've
really started to solidifymyself into the space.
It's not just like the hey,I've been doing this for a few

(03:42):
years.
It's like oh wait, no, I'mreally an astrologer.
I'm the guy to go to for a lotof information and it's cool to
see people get really good infofrom that without feeling lost.
And I think that's probably mybiggest accomplishment thus far
this year just seeing how peopleare able to relate to the
astrology, whether they knowabout astrology or not, just

(04:03):
finding new ways to bring it topeople, and it's been amazing.

Lane (she/her) (04:06):
Oh, not to mention your incredible social
media.
Your Instagram has beenhilarious to watch.

Chad (he/him) (04:11):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Definitely tapping into mySagittarius energy and having
people find new ideas throughthe humor and to see like, oh,
everyone's going through this.
I think one of my favoritecomments that I get from people
is sort of like are we all justliving the same life?
And it's like, energeticallyspeaking, yes, you are correct,
because we're all underneaththis.

(04:33):
That's actually part of why Istarted my newsletter and
actually entitled it under thestars, we wander, because I
think that's just really what'shappening for a lot of people,
despite, if you know, astrology,believe it or not, these trends
still happen, these energiesstill go on and we're just all
under the stars trying to figureit out.
And I think taking thatperspective has helped a lot of

(04:53):
people in that process and it'sso fun.

Lane (she/her) (04:55):
Yeah, I like to think of it as the cosmic
weather.
Yes, it's a different day ifit's sunny or rainy, a little
bit at least.
So it really put it inperspective in that way.

Chad (he/him) (05:04):
Oh, for, sure I agree.

Lane (she/her) (05:06):
Well, curious to take a little trip down memory
lane with you of what we chattedabout last time.

Chad (he/him) (05:13):
For sure.

Lane (she/her) (05:14):
So we talked about a lot of kind of like the
bigger transits of 2023.
And one of the ones that wefocused on a lot in our last
Convo was Pluto and Aquarius,and I know that Pluto's taken
its first little toe dip in thewaters this year.
You know it translated intoAquarius and March back into

(05:35):
Capricorn in June and then it'scoming back to Aquarius next
January.
I know that that back and forthisn't super uncommon for
astrology.
It just feels kind of moremajor when it's a slow moving
outer planet like this.

Chad (he/him) (05:48):
Absolutely.

Lane (she/her) (05:49):
So I just wanted to ask how do you feel that
sort of back and forth isplaying out, and what have you
noticed with Pluto and Aquariusthis year?

Chad (he/him) (05:56):
It's so funny because even in my 2024 notes
that I was just like lookingthrough for this year, I was
like, wow, guess who's a majorplayer again this year?
It's Pluto and Aquarius.
And I think what's sointeresting about, like you said
, that back and forth motionwe're really seeing like this
there's the reason why I thinkthere's so much stress right now
is because we see that there'sa better future moving forward

(06:20):
and the old world just refusesto let go.
Oh my God.

Lane (she/her) (06:24):
Yeah.

Chad (he/him) (06:24):
And that's where we see things like boom,
inflation.
Oh, it's all these differentlike labor forces having these
different strikes.
Meanwhile, there's differentopportunities and lanes that
have never existed beforebecause of the advent of
technology, because of AI.
I just saw a camera that'sgoing to be coming out from Sony

(06:45):
and literally you can take 120pictures in one second with it.
The technology part and whatwe're heading to in the future
is absolutely insane, but itfeels as though once more, that
old world that old this is theway things have always been is
trying to drag it back, and sothat teeter totter.

(07:05):
I think it's something thatwe're going to keep seeing
throughout this 2024.
And I'm just intrigued to see,like, what technology and what
innovation actually can breakthrough the quote unquote matrix
for lack of a better term,because that's really what that
back and forth reminds me of.

Lane (she/her) (07:22):
Yeah, I mean not to mention some really major
steps towards alien disclosureand UFO disclosure.
We keep kind of seeing a littlebit almost like a step forward
and a step back with that too,in some ways.

Chad (he/him) (07:34):
Sorry.

Lane (she/her) (07:35):
And, like originally with Pluto and
Aquarius we were talking about.
One of the themes that youreally predicted was like people
stepping more into theircreativity and also like their
independence, finding moreindependent ways of making a
living, whether that's through Ithink we were talking about
Twitch and that kind of stuffbut also like some rejection or
pushback of that influencer orcelebrity culture.

(07:56):
I feel like I've seen all ofthese things playing out.
What's your take on it?

Chad (he/him) (08:01):
Well, I think one of the things that is so
interesting is that we havethese circumstances and I'm
going to use a popular streamerright now.
His name is Kaisen.
Shout out to him.
He's one of those people thathave a really good heart Still
wild, still funny, veryentertaining, but you could tell
like deep down like he doeshave a good heart.
And what's funny is that he'snot the most major of

(08:22):
celebrities.
He's not like the most likemajor of people who have
particularly, like, donesomething like big scale.
Like he hasn't been in anylarge movies, he hasn't been in
anything that's like onbillboards everywhere yet.
But he had enough influence towhere he ended up trying to
throw this giveaway in New Yorkand basically give people of New

(08:42):
York like some new streamingequipment.
He wanted to like help, givethem some gear, get these people
that are trying to do content,have creation in their lives,
and push that forward.
And he ended up shutting downan entire block in New York just
by showing up.
Kids were out there going crazy, wrecking stuff, and he's like
no, guys, don't do this.
But it's funny because hedoubted his influence.

(09:05):
Like he knows, he has hisinfluence, but he doubted that
so many people would go aheadand turn up and he had to get
escorted away and everythingelse like that.
So it's like I think this Plutoin Aquarius is like we're really
starting to tap into theindividual, and it's like less
about hey, they're showing usGeorge Clooney and it's like,
yeah, of course, like, but right, yeah, that's George Clooney.
Yeah, like he's great, but he'sat his time.

(09:27):
And now I think there arepeople that are making careers
off of more quote, unquote,obscured things, right, and I
think this is even happening,because I think we were
mentioning or talking about thestrike in Hollywood, the one
that they had with the writersand the actors, and now I'm
thinking, even from this Plutoin Aquarius, there's going to be
a lot of people that are goingto take on independent filmmaker
and things along the lines ofthat.

(09:48):
And I think, once more I thinkI mentioned last time it's like
putting the power back into thehands of the people versus just
trying to go against the machine, and I think that's the
teeter-totter between 2024.
We have that back and forth isgoing to be happening, but I'm
interested to see how it playsout.
Yeah, same.

Lane (she/her) (10:03):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I think that's so spot onwith the bigger themes of Pluto
.
I have definitely noticed alittle bit more reticence or
distrust, I guess in theinfluencer point of view and
influencer perspective, and Ilike that you're kind of
pointing out.
I think it's even interestingin social media as well.
We're seeing people start tobecome even more disillusioned

(10:26):
with the big Twitter, all thethings that have happened with X
.
Yeah, instagram just being soheavy on the algorithm and
people feeling less connectedthere, and then these
interesting bifurcations of howthings like Blue Sky they're so
much more based on smallergroups.
So I think that's reallyinteresting too, and interesting
trends to watch, plus AI.

(10:49):
There's just so much that we'reon almost like this interesting
precipice of, and it feels verymuch like what you were
pointing out.
Not only is there kind of newstuff emerging, but sort of a
push and pull and a resistancefrom all of us on different
fronts.

Chad (he/him) (11:03):
Yeah, I think one of the most interesting parts
of that because you werementioning the social media
aspect is that there was a timeframe, like years ago, right
Around, like from you know, 2008, till, probably like closer to
now or last couple of yearsright when, when someone had
like a blue check mark, it waslike, oh my God, you must have
made it, you have this bluecheck mark.
That means thousands of peopleknow you, you're doing this, and

(11:26):
now they have it to the pointwhere, if you pay for a check
mark, someone could have likefive subscribers have a check
mark, which is dope.
But at the same time, it's likeeven that scale of what's
important and how people areperceived as important is
changing, and I think that'ssuch an interesting dichotomy
that's coming through.

Lane (she/her) (11:44):
Such a good point.

Chad (he/him) (11:45):
Definitely.

Lane (she/her) (11:46):
Well, we also talked a lot about what's going
on in Taurus this year.
So we've had both Jupiter andUranus in Taurus.
Jupiter entered Taurus in May,but Uranus has been there for
quite some time and entered inMarch 2019.
Both are also currentlyretrograde as we're recording
this.
So I know one of the big themeswe kind of talked about was all

(12:09):
the narrative that washappening late in 2022 around.
Oh, we're definitely going tobe going through a financial
crisis coming up, and I lovedone of the things that you said,
which was, well, financialdownturn for who Right, and it
feels very much reinforcing thattheme of like putting things
back in the hands of the people.
I think you said and youalluded to it as well we saw

(12:32):
inflation, rising interest rates, continuing layoffs early in
the year, but also, at the sametime, incredible activity in the
labor movement, major strikesfrom the auto industry,
Hollywood, health care, etcetera, et cetera.
So I don't know what do youthink about all that's playing
out and what are you saying withthis retrograde?

Chad (he/him) (12:51):
I think people are starting to understand their
worth.
Yes, and they hate that, right,because the concept is like
wait a second, let's use thehealth care workers, for example
.
Right, I know a few.
I read for some people that arealso like health care workers
and they're beyond their feet.
12 hours a day, now.
Granted, they normally get paidpretty well.
They're able to provide due tothings that they like to do when

(13:14):
they aren't on for those 12hours at a time, right.
But it even goes to show, forexample, a couple years ago,
being a health care worker, youwere the MVP of the world, right
?
And on top of that, gettinginto these perspectives, people,
I think, really see, like, forexample, an Amazon worker gets
us our packages, they probablydeserve to get paid more, even

(13:35):
in the industry of service.
Now, granted, depending on whereyou are the service workers
they usually get paid throughtipping.
But even now, tipping wasinstilled way back, actually, in
the days of slavery in America.
That's when tipping was first,like, brought in.
And that's the fact thatthey're trying to.
Instead of paying the serviceworkers their actual livable

(13:56):
wages, they're trying to thenspike up the tips when you go up
to something and you sign outand it used to be like 15, 20%,
cool, right, and obviously,clearly, if you have it, tip the
people that you're working with, period, right.
However, now you start seeingthese things, at least where I'm
at I live in LA but you goahead and you swipe something
that's like 25%, 30%, 35%,that's like whoa, and I think

(14:20):
it's just a different change andthe workers know they know
where it's like.
Okay, this is kind of ridiculous, but at the same time, people
need to make their money.
So I think people are justfinding their own worth and
because of that, we have one ortwo things how they're people
really stepping to their bossesthose kind of people's or
they're looking for somethingdifferent and they're looking
for something that's going toactually benefit them.

(14:42):
I think Jupiter and Taurusretrograde is trying to show
people like, where do you feelcomfortable in actually
expanding?
Because you're expanding in aplace that's not suited for you,
then what's that point?
So I think that's why peopleare, hey, let's change your
career path or huh, I kind ofwant to do something different.
I don't know what that is.
I think that's a huge thinggoing through with the
collective right now, and itwill be until Jupiter goes back

(15:04):
direct for a while.

Jackie (any pronouns) (15:06):
I will say that is 100% where I'm at
right now.
Maybe there's somethingdifferent I need to be doing,
because what I'm doing right nowmaybe it's not it.

Chad (he/him) (15:17):
Right.
I think that's real thought too, because once more, we're
mentioning everything else.
We're feeling that Pluto backand forth, and this is Jupiter
and Taurus.
You're in this, in Taurus,being like, hey, here's some
random thing that might be kindof in your field, but here you
go, are you going to take it?
Are you going to say no, it'sinteresting.

Jackie (any pronouns) (15:32):
For sure.
Yeah, speaking of tipping, Iwas just reading an article
about tipping culture andwhether it's still necessary and
how it's been impacting people,and that's exactly one of the
things they brought up, which isthe advent of DoorDash and ride
sharing and the automaticassumption of a certain level of
tipping.
It makes service workers feelawkward.

(15:52):
Now it makes a big assumptionon people's parts and really can
we just start with making surepeople have a living wage Period
?

Chad (he/him) (16:01):
It could all be so simple.

Lane (she/her) (16:04):
It could, you would think so, right?
It's interesting because Ithink from my perspectives, I
left the industry, that I'vebeen in the tech industry for
many, many years and a lot of itwas prompted for me by
realizing it wasn't really worththe money anymore for the
impact that it was having on mymental and physical health.
I mean, taurus is my eighthhouse and so in some ways it's

(16:26):
almost been like a reckoningbetween what I exchange with
other people in terms of my timefor money, for example, versus
also my mortality.
In a lot of ways, yeah,thinking about the damage that
having a very stressful job andsitting and chained to a laptop
all day for the last many, manyyears has kind of had a toll on
my body right, and so I thinkfor me, even in the micro level,

(16:51):
it has really impacted how Ithink about money and resources
and what my time is worth.
So I love how you encapsulatedthat and realizing worth and
what's important and what is ofvalue.

Chad (he/him) (17:04):
Yeah, I think, to kind of put back to the point
of Taurus, even when it came tothis last eclipse that we had,
one of the main things I wassaying is that people are
getting value.
They're getting back into theirbodies and their senses, in a
way, and I think what's comingup when it's happening is that
there's a lot of grief.
I think there's a lot of likegetting back into your body.
You're starting to feel like,oh, this wasn't okay.

(17:24):
Or man, I've been on my feetall day for so long, like I
haven't had a moment to rest,and I think the resting portion
is very difficult for people toget back into, just due to life,
due to, like any inflation, theeconomy.
Even myself, I don't stop.
I'm very much like I work, Iwork, I work, and then I'll have
a day or two and I'm just likeyou know what.
I'm not doing it.
I'm just not doing this today,right, and just even in those

(17:46):
moments, or even in like earlierthis morning, actually, I was
supposed to do a video formyself and then I was like you
want to know what?
This isn't working out?
This isn't happening.
This is starting to upset me.
I said, screw this, and I justwent for a walk for like two
hours.
I don't know how to deal withthis moment.
I don't know how to necessarilydeal with this feeling, and I
know my body needs to dosomething, my body needs to move

(18:07):
.
And so I just was like let'sjust take a stroll.
And I was like I'm meeting withthese lovely people for this
podcast later, you know, stillgetting some work done.
If I have more energy I coulddo things later on.
But I think it's almost in thesense of like honoring that body
, that Taurus is like the fivesenses, and when one of your
senses is off, you're usuallynot having a good time, right?

Lane (she/her) (18:26):
Oh, my God yeah.

Jackie (any pronouns) (18:27):
So accurate.

Lane (she/her) (18:28):
Yeah, I read something about burnout recently
that was basically like thedangerous thing about burnout is
that you don't realize thatyou're borrowing from tomorrow,
yep, and that right therecompletely encapsulated it for
me and what the patterns havebeen for me and in my stress
levels and how I've designed mylife.
So I think the phrase that haskept coming back to me this year

(18:49):
is at what cost?

Chad (he/him) (18:52):
That's Jupiter retrograde and Taurus to a T.
At what cost?
Yep, wow, you couldn't see myface a moment ago.
I was just staring off shakingmy head like oh, that hurts.
See the right, the right.
Yeah, it's true, so true yeah.

Jackie (any pronouns) (19:09):
That resonates a lot with me too.
I think that, like my sort ofcalling for at least the rest of
the year into next year, islike really reconnecting with my
body and understanding whatit's trying to tell me and how
to process things that have beenstuck for a long time and how
that has impacted me.

(19:29):
So, yeah, that's real.

Chad (he/him) (19:31):
For sure, there's definitely a lot of shifting
that's going on with everything.

Lane (she/her) (19:38):
Well, one thing we didn't quite get to in our
last Convo, when we were lookingahead to 2023, was talking
about the eclipses and the nodalshift that happened this year.
So we've been wrapping up ourlast Taurus and Scorpio eclipses
and shifting into eclipses inLibran Aries.
So what's your take been on theshift this year?

Chad (he/him) (19:59):
I have been so thrilled by it and also
absolutely disgusted, I don'tknow how else to put it.
It's been so liberating in alot of ways.
And then you're also at leastfor me I've been seeing so many
people fall at the hands ofothers' expectations that they
don't even respect, and I thinkthat has been such an

(20:22):
interesting dichotomy, becauseit's like people are trying to
compare themselves to thingsthat they don't even like, but
they just hear the concept likethis is the fashion trend and
it's like, well, now I have togo to this trend and in the
North Noda area it's like youdon't even like that trend, why
are you doing that?
And it's like people kind ofhaving to see and I think that's
also the other side of socialmedia right when, for example,

(20:45):
due to actually the eclipseschanging, I got back into
photography and starting to workwith like a little bit more
cinematography kind of things,video, just mostly for fun.
But I always had a backgroundin that Before I did astrology,
I did music and photographybefore I became full time doing
this.
So for me, even getting backinto that is almost starting to

(21:05):
see where people are able tochange and manipulate like their
photos, which is completelyfine.
If that's something that you'redoing, you're trying to make
yourself the art piece.
Go for it, live your life.
The other part to it is thatthere's people who are not doing
that or have no knowledge ofthat, thinking that that's 100%
the real thing, and so it kindof drives people into this thing

(21:25):
where it's like well, I don'thave this, why don't have that?
And I think the North Node inAries is like what is it that
you actually like?
Be the geek about it, careabout that, do what you know you
actually want to do.
And if you want to do whatthey're doing, the only way that
you can do it is if you try itout or if you do it yourself.
And that's why the North Nodein Aries, for people who are
entrepreneurial, for people whoknow what they're aiming for,

(21:48):
has been, I think, really good.
And for the people who are likeI'm just waiting for the crowd
to tell me what to do, it's beena shit show for a better term.
You know what I mean, becausethey're like what's your opinion
?
Should I stick to the most?
So I think that's been a hugechange and over the course of
this last six months so far,just about that has happened.
I don't know if you've seen thesame kind of thing, but that's

(22:09):
something that I've at leastbeen seeing.

Lane (she/her) (22:10):
I'm a Libra rising, so this last eclipse in
October in Libra was a reallyhard one in ways that I didn't
really expect.
So that eclipse was alsodirectly on my natal Saturn and
also really close to my natalPluto, and I'm going through the
big midlife transits right now.
So I have my Pluto square andNeptune square happening

(22:33):
simultaneously and all of thattogether.
I think that eclipse kind oftriggering those things, plus
those general transits, whichare just big and slow right, but
I think I just feel like I'm ina vice grip of cosmic energy.

Chad (he/him) (22:49):
Accurate yes.

Lane (she/her) (22:51):
Am I turning into a black hole, or am I being
made into a diamond, I don'tknow, but like something is
happening and it's reallyintense.
So for me, I almost can barelythink of all the other eclipses
that have happened this year andare in our upcoming one.
It's a lot.

Chad (he/him) (23:08):
Yeah.

Jackie (any pronouns) (23:09):
Yeah, I would say I certainly have felt
not reasons that I can bespecific about because I'm not
that deeply connected to mychart but I have felt that
intensity as well.
I think most of the eclipsesthis year have felt in my body
very intense and very heavy andI am, for unexplainable reasons.
It's very different thananything I've ever experienced.

Chad (he/him) (23:31):
Yeah, it's definitely been rough, even for
myself, like during the eclipses.
It was one of those thingswhere I had to almost realize,
at least for myself, is thatjust my relationships to other
people?
And the fact that it's like Ihave to come on my show, I have
to show up?
And, considering that I show upall the time I'm always on

(23:52):
social media, I always have toshow my face.
One of the things I kept runninginto was that my phone, the way
that I was using my phone forcontent, wasn't keeping up with
my pace.
And then I was like, well, nowI have to go ahead and invest in
myself and this little bit ofalmost an imposter syndrome,
it's like man, it'll be finewith just this.

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And I promise y'all I want todo a month and a half just deep
dive search of I need to get theright camera, I need to get the
right thing.
Is it in the budget?
Is it going to be okay?
Is it going to do this?
And I promise you I got thething, started actually using it
, and then people just startedflooding in being like I want a
consultation and I was like what?
And it was one of thosescenarios where trusting in the

(24:32):
fact where it's like it's okayto look pretty, it's okay to be
beautiful, it's okay to likethings that are like that, it
was very much that Libra portalaccess for me, whereas on the
other side of things, growing up, I think it was very much this
it's not okay to do that, don'tdo that, don't make things like
this, you're not better thanthis.
And then all these other earlyday things that stick with us
throughout, and I think that waslike a permission slip, at

(24:55):
least for me to be like you knowwhat?
I love art, I love prettythings, I love making things
look dope.
I need to do that in order forme to continuously love what I
do.
So I think that was kind oflike a big shift that started to
happen, and since then I havebeen just absolutely nerding out
on like color theory and randomstuff like that.
But it's been really importantto me even meeting some people

(25:17):
that do cinema stuff and they'relike fix your lighting, fix
this do this on my art.
Yes, yes, yes, I'm a learner,I'm figured out, it's been
interesting and I think thatperspective of like how people
want to be seen was one of thosebig changes during the eclipses
.

Lane (she/her) (25:31):
Yeah, I'm really feeling that, and also as a
lever rising welcome to my world.

Chad (he/him) (25:36):
Yeah, I understand, definitely get that.

Lane (she/her) (25:39):
Well, I guess, also for listeners who maybe
aren't as familiar, can you talka little about nodes and
eclipses and, I guess, give alittle one on one.

Chad (he/him) (25:49):
I got you.
So the quick one on one on thenodes and eclipses right.
Basically, the North Node andSouth Node are the points of
destiny and astrology.
As a matter of fact, even ifyou refuse to know anything else
in astrology, please know yourNorth Node.
I think it's one of the easiestways.
It's a shortcut toenlightenment the way that you

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want.
You know that energy signatureand you follow it.
Things happen good for you, butit sucks to do and that's what
people always miss about.
They're like oh, follow yourNorth Node.
I might know Following yourNorth Node sucks.
It does not feel natural to youbecause your South Node
represents what does comenatural to you.
So if your North Node is inScorpio, you're supposed to deep
dive into things.

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You're supposed to be rawemotionally.
You're supposed to really diginto the deep facets of life.
But your South Node is inTaurus and you're like I just
want everything to be light andpretty and like, go on like nice
dates and have great food, butit's like no, you're supposed to
dive into that spirituality.
You're supposed to like, reallysee what's in the dark, and so
that draws that type ofdichotomy when it comes to

(26:53):
things.
Now, when it comes to eclipses,imagine a new moon or a full
moon.
And for those who don't know,the new moon is when you look up
in the sky and there's no moon.
You're like where did the moongo?
It's usually the darkest nightof every zodiac season and the
full moon is obviously the fullmoon.
People, that crazy.
We all know the deal If you'veseen any movie ever in your life

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that has a full moon.
Stuff's always happening.
But in eclipse is specificallywhen that North Node meets up
with those new moons and fullmoons, and so the regular
transformation that comes fromthose timeframes are now
amplified by like 10.
At the very least they just havethis amplification.

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So on a new moon eclipse,people's egos are no longer in a
driver's seat.
You have to kind of let go andlet the universe.
And on a lunar eclipse, yoursoul is going through like a car
wash and you just kind of haveto sit there in the car like
you're not moving the wheel.
You just kind of have to letthose things go and whatever
lessons that usually come fromthat month of eclipse is what

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you take with you over that sixmonths moving forward.
So the eclipses that were justhappening in this October is
going to be shaping everythingthat's going to be going on by
the time we get into April of2024.
So I hope that that gives someclarity for y'all who may not
know in that process and I havea bunch of different videos on
that stuff too, so I'm sureyou'll find something.

Lane (she/her) (28:19):
Thanks for breaking that down.
Well, speaking of next year, ohgosh, I'm really curious what's
on your radar in terms of thebig transits coming up in 2024?
Or like, what are you havingyour eyes on?

Chad (he/him) (28:32):
So I'm glad that you asked.
Besides Pluto, which is alreadygetting ready to do its dance,
one of the things that I'vereally noticed in the biggest
transit that stuck out to meoutside of the eclipses, the
retrogrades we're going to have,is Jupiter going into Gemini.
That stuck out to me like asore thumb, and the reason why I

(28:52):
was looking at Jupiter andGemini that way is because I
think when things shift fromtourists to Gemini, it's like,
hey, we just built all thismaterial.
Hey, we just finally know,maybe, what we're trying to do
on a financial scale.
Hey, we're really finallysitting in and collected in what
we were trying to make.
And Jupiter and Gemini is like,yes, now you got to talk about

(29:14):
it.
But here's why Jupiter andGemini are so interesting to me
is because I think there's goingto be people who have great
voices finally being heard at alarger scale, and it's going to
be people, on the other hand,that also have great voices
before the wrong reasons stillhaving that same amount of
impact, right.
So it's like, yes, there'sgoing to be someone, maybe in

(29:37):
the vein of a strong leader,like obviously, everyone knows
Martin Luther King.
So it's like there's someonewho's really out here speaking
and being like, yes, here's achange and we're going to bring
everything good, and everyone'slike, yeah, applaud.
Meanwhile, on the flip end,there's someone in the vein of
like Andrew Tate doing the sameexact thing and everyone's like,
yeah, and I think Jupiter andGemini is going to start showing

(29:58):
the dichotomy and the dualitythat we have in our human nature
, where it's like some thingsare great, some things are bad,
some things are in between.
What are you choosing is goingto be a real question when it
comes to that.

Lane (she/her) (30:11):
Yeah, that's such an interesting point of
view Like when I think of Gemini, I think of a lot of Mercury's
influence on Jupiter and sort ofthat trickster archetype and
the two facedness of it.
So when you say that, it's like, oh yeah, we should be keeping
an even closer eye out forcharlatans, so to speak.

Chad (he/him) (30:30):
Charlotans is an excellent word for that, but
yeah, for sure.

Lane (she/her) (30:35):
Well, I know we were just chatting about
eclipses.
So what do you see in store foreclipses on the upcoming year?

Chad (he/him) (30:42):
Yeah.
So in March we're going to havethe lunar eclipse in Libra, so
that's the stark, pretty muchopposite of what just happened
before, where it's like doeseveryone like me?
I hope everyone likes me.
Does everyone think I'm pretty?
I hope everyone thinks I'mpretty.
Does everyone like me?
And I think it's changing whenit comes to March, where you're
going to kind of know who youwant to charm around, who you

(31:03):
want to be around, what type ofsocial circles you're going to
be.
I think it's March is going todefine your social circle, like
with that lunar eclipse in Libra, where it's like do you just
want to chill in a local scene?
Are you happy in a smallercommunity?
Hey, do you just want to have,let's say, like you are a
creator?
Do you just want to like workwithin your followers, not

(31:24):
really deal with anything else?
Or, on the flip end, for somepeople, do you want to be in the
upper echelon?
Are you trying to stay aroundbeing the most fancy of places?
Do the most fancy of things?
I think that March is going tobe defining people's social
circles and also theirrelationships that come from
that.
So if you don't have a partnerin the social circle that you

(31:44):
want.
Is that going to work out foryou?
It's going to be that kind ofdeal, in my personal opinion,
when it comes to that lunareclipse and then on the April,
the new moon solar eclipse,right, this is going to be like
all right, you picked a circlethat you want, but who are you
within that circle and are youactually fit for the circle you
think you're fitting for?

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And I think that's going to bean awakening, either a rude
awakening for some people, whereit's like, oh my God, I don't
want to always be on this boathaving this caviar, or the flip
end is going to be people beinglike I thought I was fine with
just having five friends, butlike I want the world to know my
name.
I think that's going to be likea really big dichotomy, and

(32:25):
obviously I'm being silly aboutit too, but there is a lot of
truths to it.
As far as how I think thoseshifts are going to be happening
, I hope that makes sense.
That's the vibe I'm gettingfrom those.

Lane (she/her) (32:36):
Yeah, you know something I think is really
interesting around that eclipsein April, I was noticing that
Jupiter and Uranus are going tobe conjunct to right around the
same time.
I think Jupiter will beapplying to Uranus right around
then and then I think theyconjunct, just like maybe a
couple of weeks later, I'm notsure.

Chad (he/him) (32:55):
I haven't written down to.
I think it was a week laterthough.

Lane (she/her) (32:58):
Yeah, so I don't know, what do you make of that?

Chad (he/him) (33:01):
I think that's like because that's also the
last thing before Jupiter goesinto Gemini the next month.
So I think Jupiter, in thatUranus, especially at those
ladder degrees, is going toreally like put people in those
positions.
And I think that's the reasonwhy I'm mentioning like, hey,
what circle circle do you want?
Like, let's say, you do wantthe upper echelon.
Let's say, you don't have it,like that, boom, jupiter and

(33:23):
Uranus conjuncts,congratulations, you just won
the lottery, you just got yourdream job, you just got whatever
it is that you want.
Now what?
And it's like the changes thatare going to occur are going to
happen so quickly that it's like, oh wait, I didn't think this
was possible, but now it is.
Or the vice versa, someone who'slike Well, I don't believe in
any of this stuff, I'm at thehighest of my career, I'm going

(33:45):
to invest in these stocks andthe stocks plummet.
You're like, oh my God, I justput millions of dollars into
this thing and now I havenothing.
And we've seen movies wherepeople freak out when they don't
have money anymore.
We've seen thousands ofcomedies, films of every genre
that happens in that regard, andI think that's really what's
going on.
And then, from there and fromwhatever changes there is, the

(34:06):
Jupiter and Gemini is then thatconversation in those social
circles, is the conversationwithin that pipe?
Right, I saw this TikTokearlier, this one guy I wish I
could quote them, but thisTikTok too, but respectfully so
when it came to his conversation.
He was having a conversationwith a friend of his who's a
filmmaker and he was or hisfriend was saying Yo, I don't

(34:26):
want to be famous, but I want tobe really well known in my
niche, like I want to have thecredit in my niche.
I want to be known in my niche,I want the love there, but I
don't want to lose the abilityto go inside of a random
restaurant, sit down, get somefood and have people on you
Right.
And then the other person onthe other side was like actually
, I'm okay with trading up allthat for the fame, the glitz and

(34:50):
the glamour.
And it reminds me a lot of thisJupiter and Taurus and Jupiter
and Gemini switch where, forexample, the vice versa can
happen.
So now the other kid who wantedeveryone to know his name might
only be popular in his niche,and the person who was trying to
play the small, like, I justwant to be in my niche is now on
the billboards all across theworld.
So I think that's kind of thisdichotomy of abundance that

(35:11):
Jupiter has the potential tobring, which is why it's so
important for you to like reallysit through that March and
April timeframe and try to letthe universe do that spiritual
car wash guides you in the rightdirection, because once you
throw your ego in there and inthe eclipse you get sent.
It's just not fun.
You know what I mean.

Lane (she/her) (35:28):
Yeah, I love that spiritual car wash.
The other thing I can't helpbut think about in terms of
timing is oh, it's tax season,tax day, like happens right
around that.
And it makes me wonder ifthere'll be any like tax relief,
economic stimulus, something ofthe sort.
That's the hope.

Chad (he/him) (35:46):
Yeah, we will see .

Jackie (any pronouns) (35:48):
I hope so .
Yeah, the thing that's kind oftop of mind for me is these sort
of global crises that we'vebeen experiencing, and I'm
curious what you think about thedirection of our collective
action next year and what thestars have to tell us about that
.

Chad (he/him) (36:04):
I want to frame this as best as I can because
this is what just popped throughwhen you said that my hope when
it comes to these trends isspecifically that North-Nought
in areas in that South-Nought inLibra is just the overall
collective understanding thatwar is wrong.
All in all, whatever way andhowever way it happens, one of
my favorite books or things Iused to look at when I was first

(36:27):
being a nerd and readingeverything was like the art of
war, and in the art of war, thekey to winning a war was never
fighting.
And I think that has a big, bigimpact when it comes to this
North-Nought in areas, inSouth-Nought in Libra, and I'm
not just talking, obviously, bigscale wars that are happening
throughout the world right now,but I'm also mentioning things
that are closer to home, or justpeople that are negatively

(36:48):
commenting on things for areaction, or people that are
being rude unnecessarily, tryingto see what's going on.
I hope people in this 2024,when it comes to that seeded
dichotomy of when people arebeing like rude or aggressive or
assertive too much, and findingthe room to bring actual peace
in, and I think that all has todo with people recognizing

(37:11):
themselves, adding to morepeople recognize themselves in
that North-Nought in the areas,the easier it's going to be to
collaborate with other people tobe like oh, maybe this is wrong
.
Maybe we don't have to fightover who thinks this car is best
or not, maybe we can both likethe car so we like you know it's
a silly example, but I thinkthat's something that I'm at
least hoping for when it comesto this, and I think that's

(37:31):
where we're getting to.
So I'm excited for Pluto tostick in Aquarius for a while
just to really see what changes.
But it is going to be goingback a little closer to Jupiter
and Gemini.
It's going to be going back andthen it's going to go direct
and then it's going to go backinto Aquarius by November.
So this whole year is thatdance again between Pluto and
Aquarius.

(37:51):
Like we mentioned earlier,pluto and Capricorn the last of
the Vanguard and I'm interestedto just see how it goes.
Yeah.

Lane (she/her) (37:59):
Same, I think.
Something I think about a lotwith current world events is
also Saturn and Pisces and howthat shift has played out.
I think for me, even on a againpersonal, micro level, but also
what I see playing out and howI'm practicing personally, is
Pisces is very much like yeah,you can dream better, but with

(38:20):
Saturn, there it's also you haveto do better and you have to do
better on that daily scale.
You have to take action everysingle day towards whether it's
calling your representatives,talking about it with your
friends, with your family, allof those little actions where we
like to almost be overwhelmedby the ocean of change that
needs to occur.
Also, we have to practice thatevery single day.

Chad (he/him) (38:45):
I agree and there's nothing else I can say.
I was actually before I wasgoing to do this.
I was going to actually make avideo on Saturn and Pisces, so
maybe this is just theuniverse's way of being like.
Now's your time to talk aboutSaturn and Pisces when it does
come to the overall transit ofSaturn and Pisces, specifically
what they go and direct now, forthe next two years, from now

(39:06):
until 2025, in May we have theopportunity and the chance to
really develop ourselves healthwise, emotionally.
I think the biggest thing isthe emotional part.
I took a course over the lastyear was the applied astrology
course with Debra Silverman, andI ended up taking all three

(39:27):
courses, got my certificate, didall my things.
It was fun to be able to learnfrom one of the best in the
business to ever do it.
The main thing that keptgetting hammered to me in my
development was the element ofwater.
They really work throughelemental and it's one of the
easiest ways for people tounderstand astrology because we
all see them in our day to daylife and every single lesson and

(39:51):
every level that I went through, when we had to find what
element we had to work on,everyone kept telling me water
and I was like what do you meanwater?
What are you talking about?
Every single person keepstelling me this.
I'm like what is this mean?
What's going on?
It took me a long time to kindof like really process that.
And one thing that I noticed,because I'm triple fire sign,
I'm very fire energy.
So I thought that the anger orthe rage of like the divine

(40:14):
masculine growing up AfricanAmerican in America, all these
other aspects of knowing thatlike rage, so to speak, was my
fire.
I thought it was like my fire,that was this.
And then as I kept going, I waslike, oh my gosh, that's
actually my water, that'sactually my feelings.
It's actually like theencompassing of, like the
emotion that's going on.

(40:35):
In embracing and accepting thatpart and finding an outlet like
working out, going for a walk ordoing creative things, has been
something that has brought meback to this certain equilibrium
emotionally and I think thathas been able to kind of guide
my work, my interpersonalrelationships.
It's been able to guide justthe way I go about things, not

(40:58):
getting upset about what'sparticularly going on and just
like having a deeperunderstanding.
Obviously, this was my take onit and I worked really hard over
the last year to get that going.
But I think that's what Saturnand Pisces, going direct, has a
lot to do with is people reallyhaving to take accountability
for their emotions and knowinghow to maybe leave the space

(41:20):
instead of having that argumentwhere you guys go off for 30
minutes you know I'm gonna gosit in the other room, let me
have some time to cool off, wecan have this conversation or
the space where it's like hey,my emotions haven't been seen.
I need to have thisconversation with you so you can
see where I'm actually feeling.
Right, I think these are very,very integral parts to the next

(41:40):
upcoming two years and forpeople that can't honor your
emotions, for people who don'tcare about how you feel, those
are the people that the boundaryof Saturn is trying to block
out.
However, if you're still like,oh, my God, yes, like I'll do
anything for you, yes, I'll justwhatever you're going to lose
sight of that soul part, thatspiritual part, that real
emotive part that makes us human.

(42:01):
I think that's it.
It's like Saturn and Pisceswants to show you like it's okay
to be human, it's okay to be aperson.
We all have feelings.
We've got sent here to feel thehuman experience, to have fun
on this big old blue planet ofwater, right Like that's kind of
so yeah.

Lane (she/her) (42:18):
Yeah, exactly to that point.
With all the horrible thingshappening in Gaza right now,
I've noticed the theme you'resaying, as Saturn has gone
direct.
There's been all thisconversation around those of us
who are bearing witness rightnow to all that's happening and
seeing all these overwhelminglyhorrible images coming out of
Gaza.

(42:38):
There's been this conversationof like, well, oh, I need to
take a mental health break or Ineed to disconnect, I need to
disassociate, essentially, andall of us working on that
balance of caring for ourselvesand our families but also
holding that capacity to bearwitness to see the horrific
things that are occurring,because Palestinians are asking

(43:01):
us to.
It's a horrible situation, butI think that work of Saturn and
Pisces is to grow that capacityin ourselves.

Chad (he/him) (43:09):
Yeah, I think one thing to mention too when it
comes to Pisces energy is thatPisces rules the media, and so
Saturn and Pisces.
We're watching the gruesomenessof things that are happening
and we're seeing it, and I thinkthe people really neglect that.
Like we're seeing it for thefirst time.
Growing up, when I was likeyounger, one of the first
instances that I remember iswatching the Twin Towers fall,

(43:32):
and that at the time was one ofthe craziest things that they've
ever shown.
They're like, oh my God, likeyou know, we can't see this and
I remember they pulled it.
I remember they pulled in theTV and we all sat there and
watched it happen and I'm likesuper young.
So that's like one of thosecore things.
But to think that we're at theage and era where, because
everyone has the media, becauseeveryone has that access, we're

(43:54):
seeing things that are actuallygruesome, and that's part of
that it's turning a thing too,is like you have to bear witness
to how bad things are and youhave to take the responsibility
on how you can start to makethose changes.
I'm not saying people can goahead, pop up, hop on a plane,
help out whichever way thatthey're feeling, but it's more
so after seeing this.

(44:14):
What do you feel is necessarychange?
One of my biggest things myentire life was just
intrinsically like the woman andchildren even be right, but
after watching the Titanic.
I watched the Titanic for thefirst time like sometime this
year.
I avoided it for years.
I remember getting mad becauseall those dudes that are trying
to get on them, like their kidsand women, like let them get on

(44:35):
the boat.
I remember being mad and likethat's something that's always
been intrinsic.
But I think that's somethingthat's being seen on a larger
scale and people are going tohave to kind of figure out and
see where their stance is onthat, how they can make the
world better over time.
It's not going to happen in aminute Saturday is a plan in the
time but how can we do?
Our part is the most important.

Jackie (any pronouns) (44:55):
For sure and I think that's interesting
that some of the otherconversations that I'm seeing
also kind of tie back to theeclipses that you were talking
about next year and in terms offiguring out who your people are
.
What circles are you going tobe in?
Who's that supportive to safespace for you and who isn't?
And maybe the people thatyou've been surrounding yourself

(45:16):
with they aren't it anymore.

Chad (he/him) (45:17):
I think safe space is an excellent term for
that.
I think, when it comes to Saturnand Pisces, who and what are
the safe spaces where you feellike you can just unmask, just
be emotionally vulnerable withthat a sense of, hey, this is me
at my core, this is me at mymost raw?
Do you still love what you see?
Are you still willing to workwith what you see?

(45:37):
I think that's one of thethings that has people,
especially when they get intorelationships, like why there is
such a like oh, I don't knowabout this relationship thing, I
don't know about these types ofcircumstances, like, am I
willing to commit to thisbecause they have to see me like
this?
And what if they do see me likethis?
And what if they see me with myflaws?
And what if they do all of this?
And I think that's always ahuge factor right, everyone's
like oh, my God, I want to dateand it's like all right, so now

(45:59):
they have to watch you cry andthey're like no, they can't see
that part.
It's like, actually, that'sprobably necessary and you're
gonna have to see them cry too.
And these are the type of thingsthat I think Saturn and Pisces
is like be willing to have theresponsibility of the emotional
world that's around you.
And the only way you can dothat is if you work on yourself

(46:19):
that consistency, that every daya little something.
It doesn't have to be somethingcrazy, it's just like be nice
to somebody.
I have a habit now where I, ifI'm walking down the street and
I see someone wear somethingcool, I'm like, hey, nice
glasses, it doesn't matter ifthey hear me, if they don't hear
me, it's just putting the loveout into the world.
So I think that's pretty muchthe big, large part of that
Saturn and Pisces, and I hopepeople also kind of like take

(46:41):
suit to that and just trying tobring more love to the world.

Jackie (any pronouns) (46:44):
Amen.

Lane (she/her) (46:46):
Very that.
One thing I also wanted to justget your take on for 2024.
We're all kind of, I think, inthe States, reckoning with the
fact that this is going to be anelection year.

Chad (he/him) (46:58):
Yes.

Lane (she/her) (46:59):
And some listeners might not know that
the last couple of years haveinvolved the Pluto return of the
United States.
If you do the birth chart forthe US, it has Pluto at 27
degrees Capricorn.
So this back and forth of Plutoa little into Aquarius and back
into Capricorn, then intoAquarius and back into Capricorn
, has been triggering thatreturn for the US.

(47:21):
So what's your read on that,and especially with Pluto
dipping back into Capricorn justbefore election day?

Chad (he/him) (47:28):
For sure.
In my personal opinion, I don'thave a lot of hope when it
comes to things like that, notin a negative capacity, but I've
just bared witness to so muchfalse promising when it comes to
things that I'm kinda like I'vebeen ehhhhh.
I know some people.
They like to stay up and keepup, and I used to, and then I
was like, in order for me tokeep my emotional body right, I

(47:50):
can't fight everything.
I can't fight every singlefight at the same time.
However, my take, at least togive people some perspective,
pluto first went into Capricornin 2008.
And now I want you to referencethis and hear me out when I say
this so people can get thatSince 2008, let's say, you were
born in 2008, your firstpresident in the US was a black

(48:12):
president, which was unheard ofprior.
So that Pluto transformation inCapricorn said actually, we're
going to make this person theleader of the free world and, as
we saw, there were people thatloved it and there were people
that hated it.
And so then, after that isTrump who, despite how people
think, there are people thatlove him, there are people that
hate him, and it's like he madean impact on having the world

(48:36):
have to have an opinion, and italso, in my personal opinion,
changed the way of people'sfaith in the normal system that
they knew, that they always kneweverything else right.
And now we have Biden and eventhe people that are super
supportive and they're likelet's go.
Even they're like we just don'tknow.

(48:56):
And I think that's such aninteresting thing because in
Pluto and Capricorn thepresident used to be one of the
most important figures ever andI think the respect in a sense,
even of that role has nowtransmuted.
So I think when it comes to thenext election thing, whoever is
coming through really has tohave those ideas that might even
go against the old regime, thegoal against the old say.

(49:18):
And I think if we'recontinuously going for people
that, hey, we've seen them dothis work before, because as
much as people like, oh yeah,biden is president, I'm like,
did y'all forget that he was oneof the core people of the war
on drugs that helped destroy theUS, or did we all forgive him
for that?
So for me at least, I'm likewhoever's coming through on

(49:39):
Pluto and Aquarius really, in mypersonal opinion, has to have
the whole collective in mind,whether that be your gender,
your race, et cetera, like theyhave to really know, and I think
that's the only way that we'regoing to start to see real
significant change in thatspecific political sphere.

Jackie (any pronouns) (49:56):
You said at 100% what I have been
thinking for the last couple ofyears.

Lane (she/her) (50:01):
Yeah, I think, underlying it all, pluto being
the god of the underworld.
There's a lot of reckoning thatwe're having to do, and I think
one simple theme of that is oneusually white dude ain't going
to save us.

Chad (he/him) (50:14):
Historically that is correct.

Lane (she/her) (50:18):
Yeah, it's just like we really need to take a
collective look at.
Just because one guy won forthe next four years, we can have
a lot of hope for some thingsthat'll happen.
But also, to your exact point,look at all of the horrible shit
that's happened while Biden hasbeen in.
What I'm trying to say is thepresidency ain't shit anymore,

(50:40):
to your point.

Chad (he/him) (50:42):
It's true, and I think even to that note.
That's why Pluto, when itfinally goes into a query, is
going to be so important,because I think we're going to
have that back and forth.
It's going to be people beinglike, yes, the one leader is
going to change everything.
Yeah, they're going to do it.
They're going to do it, andit's going to go in the queries
and it's like what if we tried?
And then they're going to tryit and they're going to be like,
actually, no, it's only goingto be one person and like the
flock is going to just go backand forth of like maybe we

(51:04):
should make a difference.
No, we should keep things thesame.
Wait, we do need to make adifference, and so I'm hoping by
the end of 2024, the largercollective right, because we're
talking about this, I'm talkingabout this.
I'm clearly an astrologer.
This is the outside of regularsocietal norm.
Y'all are also spiritual and ortake the time to like no work
and nurture yourself.
So not everyone does that.

(51:25):
So for the regular run of themill person who's just existing,
living their life, which isperfectly fine too I think
they're going to start to seewhere it's like.
Wait a second, why are we doingthis and that's my hope at least
so people can get back intomore community based things or
community oriented things?
And I think there's going to belike I think astrologers are

(51:45):
going to be in high demand.
So how about you, boy?
I don't know when that pulls up, but I really do think that
astrologers and a lot ofspiritual people that used to be
shun prior to the only capitalcorn, all that they're going to
start to be like wait a second,these people are having accuracy
, these people are having points, and I'm really intrigued on
how that is going to start tolike formulate.
I think they're going to try tomake spirituality actually

(52:09):
mainstream, which is a goodthing, and also my fear, because
I think they're going to try tolike almost a reality TV show
spirituality, and that's whereI'm like oh no, but that's kind
of the change at hand, or tryingto find anything that they
haven't done yet, becauseeverything's derivative.
So now they're like oh, how canwe make this as weird as

(52:29):
possible?
So for sure.

Lane (she/her) (52:32):
When we talked about 2022, you're kind of
framing it as sort of like aloading ground.
And then 2023 is like.
I know one of the big themeswas like it was kind of like the
first real year for us back outin the world collectively.
So if you could condense 2024into a word or a vibe or a theme
, what would it be?

Chad (he/him) (52:50):
Interesting, I think okay, no, in a word, huh
Can be a phrase.
I think 2024 has everything todo with relationships and how we
relate.
And if we don't relate, how dowe treat the people we don't
relate to?
I think relations andrelationship is going to be the

(53:10):
biggest theme of 2024, fromfriendship to partners, to
multiple partners.
If you got to like the concept,though, it's just like really
seeing like how do you worktogether or not work together,
and can you respect the factthat y'all don't get along and
just call it a day and go yourseparate ways, or do you have to
have static or do you have tolike do that?

(53:30):
I think relationship is thebiggest term of 2024, especially
with the North node and Southnode in that process of areas in
Hebrew 100%.

Lane (she/her) (53:39):
I love that.

Jackie (any pronouns) (53:40):
That's powerful.
Well, what are you lookingforward to personally next year?
What's on the horizon for you?

Chad (he/him) (53:46):
For me next year being the best astrologer of all
time and going from 2024 andbeyond, but also, at the same
time, I think it's just like nowthat I have a different footing
and understanding of my role inastrology and my role in
creativity.
I definitely want to helpobviously, more people through

(54:07):
readings and etc.
But I also have had a lot oflearning and content creation in
the background and creativityand how to get yourself out
there.
So I do want to start to likebridge in my knowledge from all
the mediums that I do in orderfor me to help other people.
And it's not just aboutspirituality, it's just about
people who want to make thingsor make something of themselves.

(54:27):
How can we make sure that theyget the best of period?
Some people know astrology likethe back of their hand Cool, I
can talk to them like that.
Some people don't know that andthey're trying to learn a
system on how to video edit Cool, let me.
Let me help you with that.
The concept that I think of withthat is that I'm like if I can
teach people something that mostpeople years ago, at least in
my world, didn't think existed,then I'm sure things that people

(54:50):
know are right in front of themthat should have a decent hand.
So I just want to teach,entertain, create, show love and
I want to start finding mytribe of people who really want
kind of that same vibe, and Ithink that's what I'm aiming for
with the 2024.
To even get back to therelationship part, where it's
like I would love to work withmore people that are creative,

(55:11):
it's like make those thingshappen.
And yeah, I mean just lookingforward to the year overall, I
think there's a lot oftransformation at hand and
opportunity that we don't seeyet either.

Jackie (any pronouns) (55:21):
Love that .
Thank you, of course.

Lane (she/her) (55:23):
Yeah Well, thank you so much for your time today
.
It's been so fun to look backand look forward with you, so to
remind our listeners where canthey find you and learn more
about your work.

Chad (he/him) (55:36):
Where you can find me in the stars.
You know no, but honestly so,you can find me at Chad the
Maverick, all across the board.
Instagram is what I post on themost.
I'm getting into my YouTubegame.
I will be on YouTube for sure.
That is something that has beenon my heart for a very long
time, just to give people moretutorial, guidance and make it

(55:56):
look good.
That's pretty much the process,and outside of that, you can
subscribe to my newsletter ifyou're new to me.
It's called Under the Stars weWander.
It is a sub-stack publicationbut honestly, the easiest way is
just ChadtheMaverickcom, theeasiest way to find everything
else that you need.
I'm just going to continuouslykeep posting, creating, pushing

(56:17):
the envelope and having that beas lovely as it could be.
That's the goal, and try tojust keep everybody going,
because sometimes these transitsare hard.
So if I can just drop a memethat's funny and relatable and
that can help someone's day evena little bit, then we're doing
a good job.
That is the one in my book.

Jackie (any pronouns) (56:34):
Well, trust and believe that your
memes have certainly made my day, especially this last couple of
months.
Of course, I've been on thestruggle bus and it has been
such a joy to open my Instagramand see your memes and videos.
They literally do make my day.

Chad (he/him) (56:50):
Appreciate it.

Lane (she/her) (56:51):
Same, you make me a Google on the regular, so
thanks.

Chad (he/him) (56:55):
You know goofy silly.
Here's some funny stuff, here'ssome real stuff.
Here's some live stream whereI'm just spitballing whatever's
on my mind and then like,obviously I do birth chart
readings and such as well.
So if you haven't ever gotten abirth chart reading, or if you
have gotten a birth chartreading, I've had a few people
say I do a very good job.
So if that's in your ballparkor you've been looking for that,

(57:17):
feel free to reach out to me ifyou have any questions, on
Instagram, YouTube, wherever I'meverywhere.
So it's just Chad the Maverickall across the board.

Jackie (any pronouns) (57:25):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for joiningus again.
Yeah, of course.

Lane (she/her) (57:29):
Yes, and hope you have a joyous and happy new
year and, to all our listenersout there, happy holiday season
coming up and we'll see youagain in 2024.

Jackie (any pronouns) (57:48):
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