December 16, 2024 • 43 mins
Today's episode: today's topic is SERIOUS. Apart from the giggles and the memes on the internet, I think it's time that we all reflect on the broader implications of this recent news. Tune in to hear more about the CEO Assassin's preceding months before the incident, his possible influences and motivations behind his brutal actions as well as the greater commentary that has come out of this story.
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Hey, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet.
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one man show coming to you every Monday at
6 a.m. UK time. We are so close to Christmas it's so scary honestly the
year is almost over already but to not frighten I am here and I am ready to talk
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about new stuff as usual. I think if you know me of course or if you know what I
cover in that sounds like pop culture and all that stuff you know that I will be
talking about this which is of course the Luigi Vangone extravaganza I guess
whatever is happening in the US right now it's just insane and our Venture Transay
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is also very much linked with the very I guess dangerous state that the US has
been descending in ever since well I don't know like you can trace it back to so many
other problems but I think very recently the elections were a big sign of where
there you the US was at in terms of social division and like how fragmented
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the state is that the country is sorry not a state but that was crazy and I
mean this is just a very interesting topic just in general because like how
people are reacting to this to the news of like the CEO being killed by this
very young guy Luigi Vangone but also think it's a huge signifier I guess of
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where the moral values are at currently and what are the Americans and like the
citizens of the United States thinking right now what are they their
main concerns and like who they trust and who they don't trust and why are they
unhappy and where in which areas are they unhappy and what also motivates
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them to you know support someone or at the same time I guess by the same token
villainize someone else in that sense so we'll get into all that like that is
going to be a very good discussion I'm gonna just go over like the whole story
like how you know I've read some articles and also this Luigi Vangone
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what happened like a few months before this incident what was his
pattern and all that stuff and like what possibly led him to do this and all that
and yeah we'll discuss also the implications of this and all that could
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possibly happen after this because it is a very strange and dangerous time
honestly but before that songs of the week we are very close to the end of the
month this is that and so we have to like you know start packing up these
this playlist for them for the month the playlist for December as I said I think
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I won't be posting well I will be definitely posting an episode for the
for the 23rd of December but I don't think I will be able to post up until
probably like second week of Jan because I'll be off I'll be on holiday I'll be
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you know recharging and coming back better than ever but yeah let's talk
about songs let's talk about songs let's talk about songs um first off first off
I want to talk about Australia by the shins now the way I did not know
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anything about the shins at all and I found out about them through none other
than Azalea Banks on Twitter one thing about Azalea Banks is that she's
probably she is probably one of the most interesting and problematic figures I
guess online but at the same time I think in what she does in her area she's
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such a visionary which is so interesting to see like she is she says some she
says some of the randomest and like craziest shit ever sometimes but you know
the topics like she really has very hot takes and hot opinions on the LGBT
community and like you know politics and all that stuff but besides from that
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like outside of that department which is not her main sphere I guess of action
we should talk about music she has so many interesting takes on like why she
thinks are you know the appropriate steps for certain pop stars to take and
like who she would want as pop stars to collaborate with and also her takes on
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like who she thinks is like an untalented artist and like who she
thinks it's like actually talented and all that stuff so I look out for her
tweets mainly because of that recently she had a very very very very I guess
like heated conflict with Maddie Healy another Maddie Healy as well both of
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them very problematic people in their own ways but they had a back-and-forth
that was very very I would say very violent very offensive but that's
besides the point we this is not the topic of the day but yeah so she
basically said that she would want for Taylor Swift to collaborate with the
shins like well the main writer of the shins because she thinks that if they
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join together they could make the slayest pop girl white pop girl song ever
and I did not know anything about the shins so I think Azalea Banks for putting me
on that so I went and checked some of the songs and I fell in love with this
song specifically well I mean all their songs are actually very very good they
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have a bit of that like British rock vibe a bit like I don't know it's a vampire
weekend like it's Smith's a bit like it reminds me a bit of the Smith's like the
clash all that so but you know more milder and like as she says white
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pop girl vibe but I think what she's also getting at it in a way that I can
see in some of their songs that they have a bit of a country element which is
very fitting for Taylor and I can definitely honestly imagine a good pivot
for Taylor if she actually did this with interesting we should do that I don't
know probably not but I can see the vision Azalea so I am honestly impressed
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by that but yeah Australia such an interesting song again in the same sphere
of the Smith's and all that stuff but I just love it like it's very very good I
thoroughly enjoyed a song the lyrics are very interesting very like it's a
platter of like very weird words like the Dodo's conundrum and like duotone on
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the wall and the Android conundrum as well but it's just a very like the melody
is incredible I love the production of it very cool there are a bit of there
are some elements of country inside in that so very very cool loved it so much
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then I wanted to talk about lipstick by blue the tiger now I'm already familiar
with the artists itself but I discovered it through this compilation that Bose
makes with anemia I can't remember but the every year they make a compilation
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of songs and I assume these artists make like write a song and record it
specifically for this compilation and so for the year 2023 blue the tiger
record a song called lipstick which is I don't even know how to explain the song
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to be fair because it's like a very weird mixture of genres it's very pop
music of course but it is also sort of R&B in some verses and also sometimes
like very EDM I can't explain it but it's just so good I like the melodies as
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well and it's just the production I think it was what really captured the
most like but capture my attention the most it was just a very very well
organized track in that sense and I just love the way it came out so try and
listen to this maybe you'll see what I'm talking about yeah then I guess like I
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just want to talk about this other song and that's it maybe and we can put it to
rest for this week and that is unlimited sky by Tommy heavenly six now this like
if you guys know so some of you may know about this Tommy Evan Lee six you might
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know this band slash singer from if you have if you are anime fancy and you know
what is it called so soul eater so either the anime you and you remember
specific I know it is so specific but if you remember specifically the second
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opening which I do because like I love that opening but the opening called a
paper moon which is also sung by them basically now you wouldn't know who I'm
talking about like you have to be very attentive to what happens on the anime
scene well to be fair so leader is like a such a old anime now but it is one of
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my favorite animes ever and the second opening I cannot stress enough paper
moon is just one of the best tracks ever like anime openings ever made I cannot
make the rules it's just my favorite track so good so good so good so good so
I think for the longest time like this paper moon was not on streaming I can
remember specifically why but I just never found it on streaming on Spotify
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or anything for the longest time and I think last year they live with probably
last year they managed to put it back on streaming this song literally came on in
2008 like it's so old like what the fuck and then basically well I was listening
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but I just had a face again with paper moon as I usually do and I think the way
the algorithm put me through a lot of anime or like just Japanese rock like
punk music just recommended me more songs from Tommy heavenly six and this
one came up which is called unlimited sky and it is a very cool track I just
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love Tommy Eveline six I just cannot it's just the right amount of punk music
for me and it's just like I think punk music has to be for me to make it work
has to be a bit pop and like a bit melodic in a way like I don't like the
the heavy you know shouting and growling and whatever I just do love the a bit of
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the punk pop moment is why Avril Lavigne worked so well for me but that's
besides the point but this is a great track and I do recommend you guys
listen to that and also paper moon to be fair I'm not gonna put in the list
because I just am obsessed with this song period like I have phases with the
song every now and then but this I didn't hear it before I never listened to
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unlimited sky before so go listen to unlimited sky and then if you like that go
listen to paper moon and then watch also soul eater that is one of the best
anime's ever made that and one of the Atari series as well oh my god one of
the times so good it's a jam but anyways yeah listen to that if you like a bit of
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that vibe if you are doesn't really matter if you're not fans of animes I
mean you can still watch it I guess you can still watch the anime if you want
but it is Japanese but who cares like it's just so good like literally like
the best track ever it has a lot of like very high and low elements in the song
like I don't know I just I think it works so well it's less epic in theme
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and like in vibe compared to paper moon it's more like pop punk adjacent so
that's much better but paper moon is more like made for an opening for an
anime that has to excite you there's an action you know shown in a type of anime
so yeah just give it a go give it a go give it a go give it a go but anyways
these are the songs you can find them on the overshadow pamphlet songs of the
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week- December 24 the last playlist of the year so yeah I mean it will be
updating it one last time for the next episode but that's pretty much it that's
pretty much it and we have already after the amount of songs so I do recommend
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having a go at this little playlist it's actually so good I love honestly
these plays that I made the playlists of each month because every now and then I
just go to the older months and I just like they were sort of like a time
capsule for the vibe that I was like in musically at that time so it's just so
good I enjoy it but I believe I will be carrying this on for the new year so
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period anyways um now that's going to the main topic the main girl I mean the
of the of the episode which is who is Luigi Manjone now first of all I want to
preface this by saying that I am Italian and I am supporting Italian lives now do
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we condone violence no not at all not at all does it checks out the check out
basically that it like he's an Italian man who killed like a mafia guy a rich
another rich man well well I wouldn't well what is this mafia coated but I
guess you can make an argument for that I guess you can some people were saying
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on Twitter that he did this it did this for also for his family and that is so
Italian of him and I'm like yeah sure I mean yeah we love families but I think
he's basically like second generation or third generation Italian so yeah but he
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is like by name and by blood Italian so interesting stuff and it feels very
interesting to see like how people are reacting online to this news that is
Italian all that stuff like it's just funny in some aspects I mean the matter
itself is a bit of a delicate topic I guess for some people but I think most
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of the Gen Z online has been reacting to this in a very interesting way like an
expected way of course older people are appalled by the way Gen Z are reacting
to this and like turning into a meme into a whole they're literally thirsting
over this man because he's cute and we cannot deny that I guess but but yeah
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like it's quite interesting I think in a way the older generations don't get how
we communicate and like why we turn these things in this way and like where
our moral values stand in that sense I mean in most cases even people are like
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first of all is a joke like that's the first layer and I think in a second
instance most of these people are like thirsting over him or like supporting
him or whatever are not condoning specifically the the murder itself and
on a third layer I think when which is very the most important one I think is
just like a general reaction that we have to bigger societal issues in that
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sense like we champion people who technically do very bad things and
disrupt this society because we are not we don't feel part of it and we don't
feel protected by the current status quo and the current institutions that you
know manage our lives basically that's sort of the point that I think is a bit
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missed I do condone I do not condone of course certain memes about you know
killing like inciting violence and all that stuff but also I think in a way
all the people are sort of like sort of missing the point and I'm gonna try
mediate this and like the two sides in my in this episode basically but yeah so
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anyways I think you might have heard a story about this guy he was a
valedictorian high school graduate and he went to like Ivy League University
University of Pennsylvania he graduated in computer science and he basically then
went traveling for a year or something after graduating and yeah so basically
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and he found was found on the fourth I believe or like sorry this past Monday
or something it was found in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania with a bunch of
evidence connecting him to the murderer of this CEO the CEO in question is the
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CEO of UnitedHealthcare so it's a healthcare I guess like company like a
private health company in that sense so there is already a layer there that
we're gonna get to in that sense like the the whole health system in the US is
a big big part of this conversation I guess but yeah so months before this
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murder happened basically Luigi Mangione was unavailable and like unreachable even
like by some his family couldn't even reach him so and I think his mom even
put a like a claim to find him or something to the police she wanted police
to ask for help to find this guy so it was a whole mess so a bit of background
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on him I guess apart from the Ivy League situation like him being like a
like a Victorian child and everything else like he was of course a very smart
kid from this background but I think what really strikes as the most
interesting aspect of all this is that he was considered by everyone to be such
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a lovely person and a very dedicated person really wanted to make a change
and help people and just better himself but also better society overall now the
the pathway that led from that origin I guess to the murder is actually not that
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difficult to conceptualize I guess it really I think is a matter of on one
hand a failed system which is not sort of nurturing these people and on the
other hand the curiosity of this guy bringing him to like the to some sources
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that were potentially inciting violence in the wrong ways I guess so there's a
lot there but yeah so everyone who had contact like any sort of contact with
him prior to this all I'd say that he was just like a brilliant guy a very
nice guy nothing ever like we didn't think that he would get turned into an
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assassin and a killer but I guess what really is interesting to see here is
that publicly it is one thing to act in a certain way but I think what really
tells what you're going through is like your footprints sometimes nowadays like
your social media footprint like your searches and like you're what you're
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using what you're engaging with because most of the times you are sort of like
hidden by by the social media like what you can like have an anonymous account
and like all that stuff so you can like when you go out and meet other people in
in public you have to filter yourself but I guess when you're in behind closed
doors and you are on social media you can sort of get rid of that mask and
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start you know exposing I guess your own real thoughts in that sense so again
he's a very young person I think he is still 26 to this day he's currently I
think detained in Pennsylvania but they're trying to ex-ride him to New
York because that's where the murder happened in Manhattan so basically yeah
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he disappeared for a bunch of months beforehand he I think that the
investigations happen to like also link him to a reddit account called mr.
cactus first opened in 2016 and this account specifically was mostly about
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well used by him to talk about his own condition his own health condition this
is where we link you know the CEO the health care system and his own
motivations that's answering his own issues so he said he has a specific
condition called like spondylolisthesis which is a condition
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where a bone in the spine slips out of alignment and so basically he had
constant back pain and back issues right lower back specifically he posted
literally on his Twitter as well an x-ray scan of his like back so you could
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see what happened to him after a surgery as well he went through a surgery but
anyways ever since he opened his account he talked about how he had his
issues he had his issues ever since he was young there's something that's been
really I guess bothering him for so long and then he said that he had a surgery
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in 2023 I think and that he wrote that he actually managed to recover pretty
well and it was it was giving basically to other people in the on the reddit
subreddit basically all the informations about like the surgery
went through like sort of spreading information like helping people who are
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going through the same issue I guess but anyways the he traveled a lot around
the world and basically he also appeared with his like mr. cactus account to write
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like some subreddit like he made a final post like basically on subreddit of Ted
Kazinski on May 20 24 I think and that is where I guess we start getting to a
bit of the psyche of this person Ted Kazinski is a terrorist and basically is
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responsible for killing three people and injuring a bunch of other
people by sending bombs by mail basically so yeah but he also wrote a
book called industrial idea and its future and is also pretty much known as
book as the Anabomber manifesto and so it seems like he in the last few months
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he had been very much influenced by this book and by Ted Kazinski
oh no Kazinski oh my god please Ted Kazinski and basically he
commented in his last post that he made on subreddit it was about like
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technology just basically consuming people in China like with a series of
like video clips showing people were super absorbed by streaming and
by watching their phones and everything else so and then and then he also
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commented on this subreddit about the manifesto itself so we know that he
wrote it any sort of justified not justified but like he was giving credit
to this man basically right so he was saying that apart from all the bad
things he has done the manifesto itself is a good commentary I guess on the
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status of society and like where it's heading basically now to give you all a
brief summary of what this book is about this book is sort of a critique of post
industrial society and like the I guess dangers of how in the industrial society
has been oppressing people and sort of creating very unhappy lives basically
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right like that's the main point like that industrial society is just
engrossing people in and the more you join in the industrial society the more you lose
autonomy and your own health and your own happiness basically right so what
really happened here is that in this book apart from of course criticizing the
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left he like well he criticized the left by saying that he's not far right in the
way he criticized it so basically saying that the left the left wing in that
sense is like supposedly trying to preserve the industrial system itself
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nowadays because it is all about moralities and all that all that stuff
like they support my moral values and like they support a lot of superficial
matters according to him but in all essential respects more most leftists
are over socialized and they want to make for example black black man
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conform to white middle-class ideals so like they support in in on a superficial
matter like the cultural aspects of the meek African-American African-American
in that sense right but they still endorse the white middle-class ideals and
try to bring black American African-American people into that system
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right so yeah I mean it's quite interesting in some way I guess the way
he's putting this but anyways but it is also in a way like the solution it gives
to this like very problematic industrialized society is quite jarring
I guess so we'll get into that but he says basically that through technology
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we are giving away our own personal freedoms and like we are sort of giving
away a lot of our basic like skills a way to technology technological
advancement that every time we endorse a new advancement in technology we lose
control in some new area basically right so for example he was saying cars have
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become so big it is that you can't walk in any places anymore you have to use a
car like every road now that is built sort of impedes you from actually
walking like it's much more difficult to walk around than using a car or same
thing with using a bus it's even a if you then don't have a car then you are
supposed to take public transport and then you become even less I guess
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independent because you have to you're not even driving the car like the bus
itself you're a passenger on it so there's even less freedom involved in
that like that's sort of the mentality on this right and so then he also goes
further into like genetic engineering and all that stuff so it's quite quite a
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lot of like is a full rejection of the industrial society in all aspects right
computers that we are saying a lot of decisions like we're giving decision
powers to computers and we are forgetting like why we created computers in the
first place there's a lot of great points I think like we can all agree on
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and there's not nothing new that he is talking about here a lot of like other
philosophers who already talked about you know post-industrial society and like
the failure of retaining our own autonomy in that sense he also does talk
in some way about like the usage of drugs and basically how drugs usage has
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become so high because specifically the world has become more depressing and we
are focusing more like goals that are not because these activities like sorry
activities like they're not actual real goals like the real goals according to
him are securing food and fulfilling like other basic biological needs raising
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right the surrogate activities for him are like having a job or all things are
created by society that are not actually needed in that sense right like we
create a system that makes you want to have a job or like makes you need to
have a job to sustain your life but basically the biological needs that you
have are being sort of in a way like how to say they're not totally fulfilling
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anymore because you get them so easily nowadays right like it's so easy to feed
yourself it's no longer a fulfilling accomplishment right well there are
things like getting a job or like all that stuff I've become I've been labeled
I guess as fulfilling by upper classes and in those society who controls
whoever controls in those society right anyway it's just beside the point so he
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rejects in our society and the gig economy in general and like for him the
the only way out is to which to me is very interesting the sense like this
where we got to the terrorist and the very dangerous the territory I guess he
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endorses conflict and endorses destroy basically the only way out for him is to
let the system destroy itself and like masses endorses like mass conflict and
to topple down power-holding elites so yeah he also in a way advises people not
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to strive for getting political power like political war is not the the the
need here because the political power you're talking about is still endorsing
basically in their society that makes any sense but and he says that both left
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wings and right wing parties will never give up technology because ultimately
the creative power and that those are the tools they use to control other
people so yeah isn't what he doesn't work within any existing structure of
industrial societies that wants to see living in industrial society gets so bad
that the hardships can only be blamed on the system so he wants to like create a
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an internal sort of collapse but yeah so he says also that you what he pushed
him to like well what pushed this terrorists to like get it to kill people
was basically he said that he had to send a message to the public in some way
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to get a lasting impression now keep this in mind because he's basically
saying that the only way for him to create change and like to make people
open their eyes to sort of like initiate a chain of violence and that sounds
right and it's very similar to like the pattern that we're seeing with him or
like at least the parent motivations behind his behind me Luigi Manjone's
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murder well assassin well whatever his whole plan is a bit convoluted I guess
people are just like throwing out there a lot of conspiracy theories that he has
a greater plan and there's other people involved in behind this whole murder and
all that stuff but I think actually the answer is quite simple and it's
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basically a I would say it took it it took it upon himself to do sort of the
same right like he read his book I think he was so impressed by this
philosophy I guess and he too believed that the only way to get out of this
corrupt system was to create change he thought it did on social media complain
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about the health system specifically how terrible it is I think he got in touch
with a UK freelancer and he exchanged with him several conversations about how
he was very envious of the UK system and now with the National Health is something
that he could never achieve in the US because it's so expensive and so I think
his line of thought was that because of his health issues and he had to
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experience so many hardships and also because of his family's health issues
experienced a lot of hardships and paying for that like you know health
insurance and everything in the US is such a hefty I guess challenge for the
average American so he was very much you know unhappy with the system the way he
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was working and I think he took it upon himself to basically try to create a
change however he saw fit in that sense like he thought change could mean
what could be basically to go for the higher ups and kill basically a CEO so
yeah he's I think he's just trying to galvanize in a way anyone at like
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everyone just inside people to do the same and I think is like specifically
leveraging upon the general and happiness I think Americans have with
the system now on one hand I guess he's speaking the truth in terms of how bad
the system is and how unhappy the people are and I think also in a way he's also
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part of the system like he wouldn't have felt the need to go to these lands
where the system supporting him was a system supporting him like the system
failed him basically right like I'm not simply talking about the health system
but just in general like everything surrounding it like you know social
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support and everything like it was just a complete failure like the the US has
failed basically a young man and he was in such a we must have been in such a
like you know lost state of mind that the only way for him to get out of it
was to just start researching in his own ways how to like create change and he
got into very dangerous territories that led him to basically use violence
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so yeah and in a way I think this is also a big big commentary on how the
American system as well a justice system the justice and everything like the
judicial system is so poor and like so unhelpful that it really pushes people
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to just take matters into their own hands and actually result like it
resorts to violence to create change right so yeah it's multiple layers I
think he definitely like you know I guess tendencies to like get influenced
by these writings and like he they found when they caught him in the McDonald in
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Pennsylvania his notebook and a lot of letters writings basically where he was
detailing all of his plans and also his own happiness with the system so the
line of thought is was was very very very similar to what was in this book I
believe and so it's just as I think personally he's just a simple matter of
a guy who got so out of it that he just fell under the I want to say like the
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false promises of a very dangerous book right so yeah now the reaction online I
think is just something that something else completely like in terms of I think
it's a it's a color like from Gen Z Gen Z is trying to like spin it around
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saying that he's actually you know he shouldn't be put in trial he actually
didn't do anything wrong and all that stuff and I think the general part is
that I I agree with other people saying that it's very dangerous to like endorse
a guy like this and to support him but also I would like to say to these two
older people is that like this is also this is the new have created in a way
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and I think to protect your children and to protect your every younger other
younger person I guess around in the US and everywhere else you should strive to
change the system itself rather than alienate young people even more and just
understand what are the real the real thoughts behind those posts like people
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young people are unhappy with the way the system works and if something doesn't
change many more cases of this Luigi Manjaro will probably happen so and is
why Luigi Manjaro wants basically right he wants more people to do what he what
he does but again violence is not the answer we need to be I guess sort of
concerning altogether and like try to change the system from within in more
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peaceful manners right and I do believe that the private health care system in the
US is crap to be quite honest it is probably some of the worst things that
could ever happen and I'm sure one of the main missions of the US should be
a right now to like solve this and to like find a better way of supporting an
entire population right which honestly is still very unhappy so yeah I mean I've
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heard so many stories from my friends well how expensive even it is to simply
call an ambulance in the US it's like fucking insane and if you don't have a
job if you know if you don't have like an insurance that covers most costs
you'll be paying so much money so many also surgery like surgeries and like
very important surgeries are becoming increasingly expensive like I'm talking
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about life-saving surgeries are becoming so expensive that not many people can
afford it anymore and it's just getting out of hand I understand that it's
easier for us to speak because European countries are much smaller each of them
are much smaller compared to us that you has is such a huge country but there
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must be another way to promote national health and like easy easy access to
national health and I hope that again older people do not start alienating
younger people even more because of this accident but instead try to understand
what's the real issue hand and try to make it better like like just think it
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through man think it through and have a less accusatory I guess view of the
world and again young people should also be very careful and not get super
involved in this I would say like it's not a like it is silly to joke about
this okay of course it's fine whatever but I didn't know they it is a very
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dangerous situation and a very dangerous mindset is guy fell into and you do not
want to be in that same that space you don't want to get to that level you want
to be critical of course of the system you live in we also don't want to
resort to this type of violence to create change like I didn't they were
talking about death and someone who died and a family this morning this guy and
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also on your hand this we do wonder when it probably now has burned his whole
future like his whole future has just been obliterated because of the actions
that he took so yeah very hard very very hard topic I guess today but damn it is
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what it is I would say just I had so many thoughts about about this topic
because it's just been constantly on the media recently so we we just need to
talk about it I think in a very constructive matter but we need to talk
about it we need to have a conversation about this so yeah anyways I hope you
guys have fun with the rest of the week and I hope you are all planning to have some
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nice holidays have a little break just you know do what you need to do
celebrate Christmas with your parents and your family's and your relatives
and all just have a lot of food just you know relax and I'll see you next episode
bye
Hey, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet.
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one man show coming to you every Monday at
6 a.m. UK time. We are so close to Christmas it's so scary honestly the
year is almost over already but to not frighten I am here and I am ready to talk
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about new stuff as usual. I think if you know me of course or if you know what I
cover in that sounds like pop culture and all that stuff you know that I will be
talking about this which is of course the Luigi Vangone extravaganza I guess
whatever is happening in the US right now it's just insane and our Venture Transay
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is also very much linked with the very I guess dangerous state that the US has
been descending in ever since well I don't know like you can trace it back to so many
other problems but I think very recently the elections were a big sign of where
there you the US was at in terms of social division and like how fragmented
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the state is that the country is sorry not a state but that was crazy and I
mean this is just a very interesting topic just in general because like how
people are reacting to this to the news of like the CEO being killed by this
very young guy Luigi Vangone but also think it's a huge signifier I guess of
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where the moral values are at currently and what are the Americans and like the
citizens of the United States thinking right now what are they their
main concerns and like who they trust and who they don't trust and why are they
unhappy and where in which areas are they unhappy and what also motivates
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them to you know support someone or at the same time I guess by the same token
villainize someone else in that sense so we'll get into all that like that is
going to be a very good discussion I'm gonna just go over like the whole story
like how you know I've read some articles and also this Luigi Vangone
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what happened like a few months before this incident what was his
pattern and all that stuff and like what possibly led him to do this and all that
and yeah we'll discuss also the implications of this and all that could
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possibly happen after this because it is a very strange and dangerous time
honestly but before that songs of the week we are very close to the end of the
month this is that and so we have to like you know start packing up these
this playlist for them for the month the playlist for December as I said I think
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I won't be posting well I will be definitely posting an episode for the
for the 23rd of December but I don't think I will be able to post up until
probably like second week of Jan because I'll be off I'll be on holiday I'll be
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you know recharging and coming back better than ever but yeah let's talk
about songs let's talk about songs let's talk about songs um first off first off
I want to talk about Australia by the shins now the way I did not know
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anything about the shins at all and I found out about them through none other
than Azalea Banks on Twitter one thing about Azalea Banks is that she's
probably she is probably one of the most interesting and problematic figures I
guess online but at the same time I think in what she does in her area she's
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such a visionary which is so interesting to see like she is she says some she
says some of the randomest and like craziest shit ever sometimes but you know
the topics like she really has very hot takes and hot opinions on the LGBT
community and like you know politics and all that stuff but besides from that
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like outside of that department which is not her main sphere I guess of action
we should talk about music she has so many interesting takes on like why she
thinks are you know the appropriate steps for certain pop stars to take and
like who she would want as pop stars to collaborate with and also her takes on
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like who she thinks is like an untalented artist and like who she
thinks it's like actually talented and all that stuff so I look out for her
tweets mainly because of that recently she had a very very very very I guess
like heated conflict with Maddie Healy another Maddie Healy as well both of
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them very problematic people in their own ways but they had a back-and-forth
that was very very I would say very violent very offensive but that's
besides the point we this is not the topic of the day but yeah so she
basically said that she would want for Taylor Swift to collaborate with the
shins like well the main writer of the shins because she thinks that if they
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join together they could make the slayest pop girl white pop girl song ever
and I did not know anything about the shins so I think Azalea Banks for putting me
on that so I went and checked some of the songs and I fell in love with this
song specifically well I mean all their songs are actually very very good they
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have a bit of that like British rock vibe a bit like I don't know it's a vampire
weekend like it's Smith's a bit like it reminds me a bit of the Smith's like the
clash all that so but you know more milder and like as she says white
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pop girl vibe but I think what she's also getting at it in a way that I can
see in some of their songs that they have a bit of a country element which is
very fitting for Taylor and I can definitely honestly imagine a good pivot
for Taylor if she actually did this with interesting we should do that I don't
know probably not but I can see the vision Azalea so I am honestly impressed
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by that but yeah Australia such an interesting song again in the same sphere
of the Smith's and all that stuff but I just love it like it's very very good I
thoroughly enjoyed a song the lyrics are very interesting very like it's a
platter of like very weird words like the Dodo's conundrum and like duotone on
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the wall and the Android conundrum as well but it's just a very like the melody
is incredible I love the production of it very cool there are a bit of there
are some elements of country inside in that so very very cool loved it so much
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then I wanted to talk about lipstick by blue the tiger now I'm already familiar
with the artists itself but I discovered it through this compilation that Bose
makes with anemia I can't remember but the every year they make a compilation
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of songs and I assume these artists make like write a song and record it
specifically for this compilation and so for the year 2023 blue the tiger
record a song called lipstick which is I don't even know how to explain the song
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to be fair because it's like a very weird mixture of genres it's very pop
music of course but it is also sort of R&B in some verses and also sometimes
like very EDM I can't explain it but it's just so good I like the melodies as
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well and it's just the production I think it was what really captured the
most like but capture my attention the most it was just a very very well
organized track in that sense and I just love the way it came out so try and
listen to this maybe you'll see what I'm talking about yeah then I guess like I
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just want to talk about this other song and that's it maybe and we can put it to
rest for this week and that is unlimited sky by Tommy heavenly six now this like
if you guys know so some of you may know about this Tommy Evan Lee six you might
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know this band slash singer from if you have if you are anime fancy and you know
what is it called so soul eater so either the anime you and you remember
specific I know it is so specific but if you remember specifically the second
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opening which I do because like I love that opening but the opening called a
paper moon which is also sung by them basically now you wouldn't know who I'm
talking about like you have to be very attentive to what happens on the anime
scene well to be fair so leader is like a such a old anime now but it is one of
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my favorite animes ever and the second opening I cannot stress enough paper
moon is just one of the best tracks ever like anime openings ever made I cannot
make the rules it's just my favorite track so good so good so good so good so
I think for the longest time like this paper moon was not on streaming I can
remember specifically why but I just never found it on streaming on Spotify
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or anything for the longest time and I think last year they live with probably
last year they managed to put it back on streaming this song literally came on in
2008 like it's so old like what the fuck and then basically well I was listening
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but I just had a face again with paper moon as I usually do and I think the way
the algorithm put me through a lot of anime or like just Japanese rock like
punk music just recommended me more songs from Tommy heavenly six and this
one came up which is called unlimited sky and it is a very cool track I just
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love Tommy Eveline six I just cannot it's just the right amount of punk music
for me and it's just like I think punk music has to be for me to make it work
has to be a bit pop and like a bit melodic in a way like I don't like the
the heavy you know shouting and growling and whatever I just do love the a bit of
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the punk pop moment is why Avril Lavigne worked so well for me but that's
besides the point but this is a great track and I do recommend you guys
listen to that and also paper moon to be fair I'm not gonna put in the list
because I just am obsessed with this song period like I have phases with the
song every now and then but this I didn't hear it before I never listened to
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unlimited sky before so go listen to unlimited sky and then if you like that go
listen to paper moon and then watch also soul eater that is one of the best
anime's ever made that and one of the Atari series as well oh my god one of
the times so good it's a jam but anyways yeah listen to that if you like a bit of
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that vibe if you are doesn't really matter if you're not fans of animes I
mean you can still watch it I guess you can still watch the anime if you want
but it is Japanese but who cares like it's just so good like literally like
the best track ever it has a lot of like very high and low elements in the song
like I don't know I just I think it works so well it's less epic in theme
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and like in vibe compared to paper moon it's more like pop punk adjacent so
that's much better but paper moon is more like made for an opening for an
anime that has to excite you there's an action you know shown in a type of anime
so yeah just give it a go give it a go give it a go give it a go but anyways
these are the songs you can find them on the overshadow pamphlet songs of the
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week- December 24 the last playlist of the year so yeah I mean it will be
updating it one last time for the next episode but that's pretty much it that's
pretty much it and we have already after the amount of songs so I do recommend
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having a go at this little playlist it's actually so good I love honestly
these plays that I made the playlists of each month because every now and then I
just go to the older months and I just like they were sort of like a time
capsule for the vibe that I was like in musically at that time so it's just so
good I enjoy it but I believe I will be carrying this on for the new year so
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period anyways um now that's going to the main topic the main girl I mean the
of the of the episode which is who is Luigi Manjone now first of all I want to
preface this by saying that I am Italian and I am supporting Italian lives now do
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we condone violence no not at all not at all does it checks out the check out
basically that it like he's an Italian man who killed like a mafia guy a rich
another rich man well well I wouldn't well what is this mafia coated but I
guess you can make an argument for that I guess you can some people were saying
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on Twitter that he did this it did this for also for his family and that is so
Italian of him and I'm like yeah sure I mean yeah we love families but I think
he's basically like second generation or third generation Italian so yeah but he
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is like by name and by blood Italian so interesting stuff and it feels very
interesting to see like how people are reacting online to this news that is
Italian all that stuff like it's just funny in some aspects I mean the matter
itself is a bit of a delicate topic I guess for some people but I think most
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of the Gen Z online has been reacting to this in a very interesting way like an
expected way of course older people are appalled by the way Gen Z are reacting
to this and like turning into a meme into a whole they're literally thirsting
over this man because he's cute and we cannot deny that I guess but but yeah
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like it's quite interesting I think in a way the older generations don't get how
we communicate and like why we turn these things in this way and like where
our moral values stand in that sense I mean in most cases even people are like
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first of all is a joke like that's the first layer and I think in a second
instance most of these people are like thirsting over him or like supporting
him or whatever are not condoning specifically the the murder itself and
on a third layer I think when which is very the most important one I think is
just like a general reaction that we have to bigger societal issues in that
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sense like we champion people who technically do very bad things and
disrupt this society because we are not we don't feel part of it and we don't
feel protected by the current status quo and the current institutions that you
know manage our lives basically that's sort of the point that I think is a bit
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missed I do condone I do not condone of course certain memes about you know
killing like inciting violence and all that stuff but also I think in a way
all the people are sort of like sort of missing the point and I'm gonna try
mediate this and like the two sides in my in this episode basically but yeah so
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anyways I think you might have heard a story about this guy he was a
valedictorian high school graduate and he went to like Ivy League University
University of Pennsylvania he graduated in computer science and he basically then
went traveling for a year or something after graduating and yeah so basically
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and he found was found on the fourth I believe or like sorry this past Monday
or something it was found in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania with a bunch of
evidence connecting him to the murderer of this CEO the CEO in question is the
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CEO of UnitedHealthcare so it's a healthcare I guess like company like a
private health company in that sense so there is already a layer there that
we're gonna get to in that sense like the the whole health system in the US is
a big big part of this conversation I guess but yeah so months before this
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murder happened basically Luigi Mangione was unavailable and like unreachable even
like by some his family couldn't even reach him so and I think his mom even
put a like a claim to find him or something to the police she wanted police
to ask for help to find this guy so it was a whole mess so a bit of background
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on him I guess apart from the Ivy League situation like him being like a
like a Victorian child and everything else like he was of course a very smart
kid from this background but I think what really strikes as the most
interesting aspect of all this is that he was considered by everyone to be such
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a lovely person and a very dedicated person really wanted to make a change
and help people and just better himself but also better society overall now the
the pathway that led from that origin I guess to the murder is actually not that
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difficult to conceptualize I guess it really I think is a matter of on one
hand a failed system which is not sort of nurturing these people and on the
other hand the curiosity of this guy bringing him to like the to some sources
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that were potentially inciting violence in the wrong ways I guess so there's a
lot there but yeah so everyone who had contact like any sort of contact with
him prior to this all I'd say that he was just like a brilliant guy a very
nice guy nothing ever like we didn't think that he would get turned into an
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assassin and a killer but I guess what really is interesting to see here is
that publicly it is one thing to act in a certain way but I think what really
tells what you're going through is like your footprints sometimes nowadays like
your social media footprint like your searches and like you're what you're
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using what you're engaging with because most of the times you are sort of like
hidden by by the social media like what you can like have an anonymous account
and like all that stuff so you can like when you go out and meet other people in
in public you have to filter yourself but I guess when you're in behind closed
doors and you are on social media you can sort of get rid of that mask and
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start you know exposing I guess your own real thoughts in that sense so again
he's a very young person I think he is still 26 to this day he's currently I
think detained in Pennsylvania but they're trying to ex-ride him to New
York because that's where the murder happened in Manhattan so basically yeah
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he disappeared for a bunch of months beforehand he I think that the
investigations happen to like also link him to a reddit account called mr.
cactus first opened in 2016 and this account specifically was mostly about
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well used by him to talk about his own condition his own health condition this
is where we link you know the CEO the health care system and his own
motivations that's answering his own issues so he said he has a specific
condition called like spondylolisthesis which is a condition
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where a bone in the spine slips out of alignment and so basically he had
constant back pain and back issues right lower back specifically he posted
literally on his Twitter as well an x-ray scan of his like back so you could
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see what happened to him after a surgery as well he went through a surgery but
anyways ever since he opened his account he talked about how he had his
issues he had his issues ever since he was young there's something that's been
really I guess bothering him for so long and then he said that he had a surgery
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in 2023 I think and that he wrote that he actually managed to recover pretty
well and it was it was giving basically to other people in the on the reddit
subreddit basically all the informations about like the surgery
went through like sort of spreading information like helping people who are
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going through the same issue I guess but anyways the he traveled a lot around
the world and basically he also appeared with his like mr. cactus account to write
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like some subreddit like he made a final post like basically on subreddit of Ted
Kazinski on May 20 24 I think and that is where I guess we start getting to a
bit of the psyche of this person Ted Kazinski is a terrorist and basically is
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responsible for killing three people and injuring a bunch of other
people by sending bombs by mail basically so yeah but he also wrote a
book called industrial idea and its future and is also pretty much known as
book as the Anabomber manifesto and so it seems like he in the last few months
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he had been very much influenced by this book and by Ted Kazinski
oh no Kazinski oh my god please Ted Kazinski and basically he
commented in his last post that he made on subreddit it was about like
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technology just basically consuming people in China like with a series of
like video clips showing people were super absorbed by streaming and
by watching their phones and everything else so and then and then he also
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commented on this subreddit about the manifesto itself so we know that he
wrote it any sort of justified not justified but like he was giving credit
to this man basically right so he was saying that apart from all the bad
things he has done the manifesto itself is a good commentary I guess on the
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status of society and like where it's heading basically now to give you all a
brief summary of what this book is about this book is sort of a critique of post
industrial society and like the I guess dangers of how in the industrial society
has been oppressing people and sort of creating very unhappy lives basically
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right like that's the main point like that industrial society is just
engrossing people in and the more you join in the industrial society the more you lose
autonomy and your own health and your own happiness basically right so what
really happened here is that in this book apart from of course criticizing the
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left he like well he criticized the left by saying that he's not far right in the
way he criticized it so basically saying that the left the left wing in that
sense is like supposedly trying to preserve the industrial system itself
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nowadays because it is all about moralities and all that all that stuff
like they support my moral values and like they support a lot of superficial
matters according to him but in all essential respects more most leftists
are over socialized and they want to make for example black black man
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conform to white middle-class ideals so like they support in in on a superficial
matter like the cultural aspects of the meek African-American African-American
in that sense right but they still endorse the white middle-class ideals and
try to bring black American African-American people into that system
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right so yeah I mean it's quite interesting in some way I guess the way
he's putting this but anyways but it is also in a way like the solution it gives
to this like very problematic industrialized society is quite jarring
I guess so we'll get into that but he says basically that through technology
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we are giving away our own personal freedoms and like we are sort of giving
away a lot of our basic like skills a way to technology technological
advancement that every time we endorse a new advancement in technology we lose
control in some new area basically right so for example he was saying cars have
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become so big it is that you can't walk in any places anymore you have to use a
car like every road now that is built sort of impedes you from actually
walking like it's much more difficult to walk around than using a car or same
thing with using a bus it's even a if you then don't have a car then you are
supposed to take public transport and then you become even less I guess
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independent because you have to you're not even driving the car like the bus
itself you're a passenger on it so there's even less freedom involved in
that like that's sort of the mentality on this right and so then he also goes
further into like genetic engineering and all that stuff so it's quite quite a
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lot of like is a full rejection of the industrial society in all aspects right
computers that we are saying a lot of decisions like we're giving decision
powers to computers and we are forgetting like why we created computers in the
first place there's a lot of great points I think like we can all agree on
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and there's not nothing new that he is talking about here a lot of like other
philosophers who already talked about you know post-industrial society and like
the failure of retaining our own autonomy in that sense he also does talk
in some way about like the usage of drugs and basically how drugs usage has
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become so high because specifically the world has become more depressing and we
are focusing more like goals that are not because these activities like sorry
activities like they're not actual real goals like the real goals according to
him are securing food and fulfilling like other basic biological needs raising
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right the surrogate activities for him are like having a job or all things are
created by society that are not actually needed in that sense right like we
create a system that makes you want to have a job or like makes you need to
have a job to sustain your life but basically the biological needs that you
have are being sort of in a way like how to say they're not totally fulfilling
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anymore because you get them so easily nowadays right like it's so easy to feed
yourself it's no longer a fulfilling accomplishment right well there are
things like getting a job or like all that stuff I've become I've been labeled
I guess as fulfilling by upper classes and in those society who controls
whoever controls in those society right anyway it's just beside the point so he
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rejects in our society and the gig economy in general and like for him the
the only way out is to which to me is very interesting the sense like this
where we got to the terrorist and the very dangerous the territory I guess he
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endorses conflict and endorses destroy basically the only way out for him is to
let the system destroy itself and like masses endorses like mass conflict and
to topple down power-holding elites so yeah he also in a way advises people not
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to strive for getting political power like political war is not the the the
need here because the political power you're talking about is still endorsing
basically in their society that makes any sense but and he says that both left
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wings and right wing parties will never give up technology because ultimately
the creative power and that those are the tools they use to control other
people so yeah isn't what he doesn't work within any existing structure of
industrial societies that wants to see living in industrial society gets so bad
that the hardships can only be blamed on the system so he wants to like create a
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an internal sort of collapse but yeah so he says also that you what he pushed
him to like well what pushed this terrorists to like get it to kill people
was basically he said that he had to send a message to the public in some way
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to get a lasting impression now keep this in mind because he's basically
saying that the only way for him to create change and like to make people
open their eyes to sort of like initiate a chain of violence and that sounds
right and it's very similar to like the pattern that we're seeing with him or
like at least the parent motivations behind his behind me Luigi Manjone's
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murder well assassin well whatever his whole plan is a bit convoluted I guess
people are just like throwing out there a lot of conspiracy theories that he has
a greater plan and there's other people involved in behind this whole murder and
all that stuff but I think actually the answer is quite simple and it's
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basically a I would say it took it it took it upon himself to do sort of the
same right like he read his book I think he was so impressed by this
philosophy I guess and he too believed that the only way to get out of this
corrupt system was to create change he thought it did on social media complain
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about the health system specifically how terrible it is I think he got in touch
with a UK freelancer and he exchanged with him several conversations about how
he was very envious of the UK system and now with the National Health is something
that he could never achieve in the US because it's so expensive and so I think
his line of thought was that because of his health issues and he had to
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experience so many hardships and also because of his family's health issues
experienced a lot of hardships and paying for that like you know health
insurance and everything in the US is such a hefty I guess challenge for the
average American so he was very much you know unhappy with the system the way he
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was working and I think he took it upon himself to basically try to create a
change however he saw fit in that sense like he thought change could mean
what could be basically to go for the higher ups and kill basically a CEO so
yeah he's I think he's just trying to galvanize in a way anyone at like
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everyone just inside people to do the same and I think is like specifically
leveraging upon the general and happiness I think Americans have with
the system now on one hand I guess he's speaking the truth in terms of how bad
the system is and how unhappy the people are and I think also in a way he's also
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part of the system like he wouldn't have felt the need to go to these lands
where the system supporting him was a system supporting him like the system
failed him basically right like I'm not simply talking about the health system
but just in general like everything surrounding it like you know social
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support and everything like it was just a complete failure like the the US has
failed basically a young man and he was in such a we must have been in such a
like you know lost state of mind that the only way for him to get out of it
was to just start researching in his own ways how to like create change and he
got into very dangerous territories that led him to basically use violence
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so yeah and in a way I think this is also a big big commentary on how the
American system as well a justice system the justice and everything like the
judicial system is so poor and like so unhelpful that it really pushes people
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to just take matters into their own hands and actually result like it
resorts to violence to create change right so yeah it's multiple layers I
think he definitely like you know I guess tendencies to like get influenced
by these writings and like he they found when they caught him in the McDonald in
(38:20):
Pennsylvania his notebook and a lot of letters writings basically where he was
detailing all of his plans and also his own happiness with the system so the
line of thought is was was very very very similar to what was in this book I
believe and so it's just as I think personally he's just a simple matter of
a guy who got so out of it that he just fell under the I want to say like the
(38:50):
false promises of a very dangerous book right so yeah now the reaction online I
think is just something that something else completely like in terms of I think
it's a it's a color like from Gen Z Gen Z is trying to like spin it around
(39:10):
saying that he's actually you know he shouldn't be put in trial he actually
didn't do anything wrong and all that stuff and I think the general part is
that I I agree with other people saying that it's very dangerous to like endorse
a guy like this and to support him but also I would like to say to these two
older people is that like this is also this is the new have created in a way
(39:38):
and I think to protect your children and to protect your every younger other
younger person I guess around in the US and everywhere else you should strive to
change the system itself rather than alienate young people even more and just
understand what are the real the real thoughts behind those posts like people
(40:00):
young people are unhappy with the way the system works and if something doesn't
change many more cases of this Luigi Manjaro will probably happen so and is
why Luigi Manjaro wants basically right he wants more people to do what he what
he does but again violence is not the answer we need to be I guess sort of
concerning altogether and like try to change the system from within in more
(40:26):
peaceful manners right and I do believe that the private health care system in the
US is crap to be quite honest it is probably some of the worst things that
could ever happen and I'm sure one of the main missions of the US should be
a right now to like solve this and to like find a better way of supporting an
entire population right which honestly is still very unhappy so yeah I mean I've
(40:53):
heard so many stories from my friends well how expensive even it is to simply
call an ambulance in the US it's like fucking insane and if you don't have a
job if you know if you don't have like an insurance that covers most costs
you'll be paying so much money so many also surgery like surgeries and like
very important surgeries are becoming increasingly expensive like I'm talking
(41:16):
about life-saving surgeries are becoming so expensive that not many people can
afford it anymore and it's just getting out of hand I understand that it's
easier for us to speak because European countries are much smaller each of them
are much smaller compared to us that you has is such a huge country but there
(41:37):
must be another way to promote national health and like easy easy access to
national health and I hope that again older people do not start alienating
younger people even more because of this accident but instead try to understand
what's the real issue hand and try to make it better like like just think it
(42:03):
through man think it through and have a less accusatory I guess view of the
world and again young people should also be very careful and not get super
involved in this I would say like it's not a like it is silly to joke about
this okay of course it's fine whatever but I didn't know they it is a very
(42:26):
dangerous situation and a very dangerous mindset is guy fell into and you do not
want to be in that same that space you don't want to get to that level you want
to be critical of course of the system you live in we also don't want to
resort to this type of violence to create change like I didn't they were
talking about death and someone who died and a family this morning this guy and
(42:48):
also on your hand this we do wonder when it probably now has burned his whole
future like his whole future has just been obliterated because of the actions
that he took so yeah very hard very very hard topic I guess today but damn it is
(43:09):
what it is I would say just I had so many thoughts about about this topic
because it's just been constantly on the media recently so we we just need to
talk about it I think in a very constructive matter but we need to talk
about it we need to have a conversation about this so yeah anyways I hope you
guys have fun with the rest of the week and I hope you are all planning to have some
(43:33):
nice holidays have a little break just you know do what you need to do
celebrate Christmas with your parents and your family's and your relatives
and all just have a lot of food just you know relax and I'll see you next episode
bye
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