January 13, 2025 • 44 mins
Today's episode: New Year, New Episode. 2025 has just started so it's only fair that I celebrate one of the most impressive movies of 2024 that has recently been enjoying a resurgence thanks to the advent of the Awards Season. The Substance is THAT movie for several different reasons: the acting, the cinematography, the plot, its many layers and much more. Tune in to listen to my review of the movie and the reasons why it was such a refreshing change of pace for Hollywood.
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Hey, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one man show.
Happy 2025.
This is the first episode of the year.
And I have to start this episode by saying that I lied.
I lied.
I have to say I lied.
In the last episode I said I was going to record a new, well another episode before
the end of the year.
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But I didn't because I was so busy packing up and like you know, fingering out all my
last minute purchases for the holidays and all that stuff and then I was off for two
weeks so I didn't really bring any recording device with me apart from my phone so I didn't
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you know, I needed a break as well in general.
I just needed to rest a bit so here we are.
Here we are.
So apologies for not putting anything out in the past three weeks but my girl is busy
you know.
So I need to also be on it.
But yeah anyways, I hope you guys had a lovely you know, holiday.
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Christmas holidays always go by so fast so I hope at least you guys enjoyed yourselves
and had a wonderful time and also I hope 2025 brings you guys pretty much anything your
heart desires.
Yeah, I think also just to approach 2025, my big I guess, I don't know, like expectation
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I guess from a year is that, I mean every time a new year starts for me is just like
sort of like a reboot in terms of pop culture and like just trends and everything else and
looking back on what 2024 brought us, I'm just so excited now for 2025 to bring something
else right?
So some new trends, some new you know, new music, new movies, new books, new forms of
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entertainment and all that stuff so and 2024 has been a chaotic year in terms of what was
popping off and all that and we had a very important a year I guess for pop culture like
very female dominated year and varied in terms of genres and like what really gave us I guess
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the most entertainment like we had so many horror movies you think about it, so many
different like type of genres popping off like country, we had a moment with country
music, we had a moment with like well very big moment that influenced other percolated
I guess to other parts of pop culture which was sort of the rave club music brought by
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Bratt and Bratt Summer and we also had the very like you know quintessential pop summer
with Sabrina and so there has been a lot, like a lot of different areas have been you
know dominating in different ways I guess and this is more like a testament also to
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how fragmented I guess our audiences are in that sense like the audience in general like
the culture has just fragmented, there's no monoculture anymore I think I've talked to
about like about this at Nozium in my previous episodes as well and so many episodes but
this is sort of a sign that there's no longer like a single leading strand of pop culture
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in that sense like whatever like it's so dispersed now that whatever the majority like you know
starts listening to it doesn't really matter like there's always space for something else
to just blow up and which is very exciting in hindsight to be fair we had so many different
moments so and today I want to talk also about something that is a combination of all that
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I guess and very much a spearheader in terms of how in terms of like a 2024 transit movies
and all that stuff I'm gonna talk about the substance in retrospective I guess because
I did watch the movie of course when it came out but I sort of never reviewed it just because
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like mostly one I was so confused by the movie when it first came out I wasn't really
entirely sure how to feel about it I knew that I liked it but I didn't really know
to what extent and like I also thought about the movie so much that it took me a while
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to like actually focus on why it is so important in that sense like why it was so critically
acclaimed and also since you know the it is the seasons for the awards I guess it is award
season so the conversations about this movie I've picked up again and I've seen sort of
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like a resurgence now also between the fans and like the consumers in general about this
movie so it's been getting a lot of traction you know and it's so interesting because this
started off as a very you know small movie like the budget was so small and just the
team behind it was also pretty small and like everything else was just like a very indie
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sort of effort and to see it go this far and get especially after the Golden Globes and
everything is just quite interesting so that sort of kick-started rediscovery of the movie
for me personally so I rewatched it again for my computer now because it's like available
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everywhere digitally as well so I just sort of went into a new rabbit hole with this movie
and I am happy to report that I have so many new thoughts about this movie and just in
general like I think I sort of got the point of the movie even further like there are so
many different elements and layers to this and I then I started watching so many interviews
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and so many reviews of the movie as well I just fell into rabbit hole and now I'm here
and this is so interesting because I don't know why I'm talking about this as my first
episode but again as I said this is sort of also a movie that represents what was what
was and sort of I guess still is but mostly what was popping off and I was very popular
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and what was I guess very influential in 2024 so this is probably the manifesto movie for
2024 it has a bit of everything so yeah but again as usual and something that will never
I will never give up on this uh flabby podcast is my contribution to the songs of the week
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so here's what I've been listening to now I know it's been three weeks so I'll try
and just get four four tracks or something but during the holidays we had the um sos
deluxe album Lana by SZA and she she added like what 15 songs or something to to sos
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after two years I believe that the album was out so this is a deluxe version but technically
it's more of a um side b I guess to the album I don't know like it's 15 more tracks so and
you know what like I want to bring this up um why is no one talking about you know SZA
doing this but then everyone is you know complaining about Taylor Swift having a 39 track album
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or whatever like SZA did exactly the same and no one is batting an eye so whatever but
um I guess you could argue like it's been two years but again just release as a release
it as a separate project or whatever but anyways as usual excellence excellence excellence
in this album but there are so many songs that I like I'm gonna list them all but I
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think I'm gonna choose one probably I want to limit myself to like choose just one but
I loved BMF I loved Scorsese Baby Daddy I loved Another Life I loved Kitchen I loved
Kitchen Down personally but my favorite one was Cry Baby personally like that song is
just so good so relatable it's a very like production wise it's a very stereotypical
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like R&B ballad in that sense but it does have a lot of relatable lyrics and it's just
like basically SZA like sort of coming to terms with herself and like realizing that
she's always getting in her own way and then if she didn't she would be less of a cry baby
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and she would you know be less of a burden to her partner etc etc so very relatable stuff
I loved If It's Murphy's Law What Can Go Wrong Will Go Wrong like that sort of encapsulates
I guess SZA's mindset in general the way she thinks and everything else so very a very
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pessimistic person a very catastrophic person but yeah it's just so good like I love her
vocals on this very like dreamy type of production again very stereotypically R&B ballad I guess
but it's just still very effective and also her vocals are just incredible like her vocal
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cellist choices on this are just impeccable so Cry Baby yeah Cry Baby yes that is going
into the place also like I find it very funny on how 200 people were saying that she copied
Melanie Martinez but because of the prosthetics I guess for the album and some of the production
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I guess I don't know but it's just like it's very far-fetched because the type of songs
that she actually made are so different from what Melanie Martinez does and I find very
little overlap apart from the prosthetics but prosthetics are not Melanie Martinez did
not invent the prosthetics like she's been cry baby like without prosthetics for two
albums like come on so yeah this song hit and I love like I have a very specific association
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with like I mean to me S.O.S. is a Christmas or like the winter album and the Deluxe is
no different also because of when it came out as well and just like you know I've been
listening to this song specifically a lot during the holiday so yeah pretty pretty
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lit love the song so much love the song down actually next song is you know what whatever
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The Greatest by Cat Power now this when was in Italy came on the radio and I have never
even heard of Cat Power before I was like who is she but the song is very sad like really
really sad even in terms of productions like a piano orchestral like violin is there something
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that yeah type of ballad so yeah but very depressing I am not entirely sure what it
is about like it's just like it's like once I want to be the greatest that's domain like
two fists of solid rock whatever but yeah I don't know I just love the vote like the
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the rawness of this track it's very it's very she's sad she's sad she's sad but you guys
may know about her and about her music I believe the song is quite old well a bit old maybe
but either way that hit so kudos to Cat Power she really did that then I do want to talk
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about can't get you can't get you by Jaeyoon from his first album Jaey this song must have
come out in 2024 like mid midway through 2024 I guess didn't really listen to the album
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at all but I just sort of wanted some KRMB my life so I just went around and looked for
it and this was it oh actually 26th of August so I'm not really too late to this to the
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game but this song is so good like it's really really good it's the closer to the album as
well and Jaeyoon really fits the the RMB aesthetic I guess the RMB voice like production and
everything he has that voice like he has that voice for that type of song then since we're
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talking about the substance I have to pump it up in the playlist this is the original
track that was remixed then for the for the movie and it's when Asu in a movie performs
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for the first time I think so yeah this song is just house music I guess like it's a very
housey type of song and it does remind me a lot of like what would they were using like
those fitness classes like video fitness classes or whatever which is the whole point of the
movie as well but it's just infectious I don't know it's just like I keep on thinking about
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this damn song all the time and I think also it's because like a lot of new edits have
been popping up on my TikTok for you page and they all use this damn song pump it up
you got to pump it up don't you know pump it up anyways this is pump it up by and or
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just think of your regular I guess like I don't know like workout class like Zumba not
Zumba I don't know like why would you describe that I guess like just yeah workout like body
workout or whatever like you know walking to stay fit or whatever all that stuff like
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video classes or whatever so that's not what music it is sort of in the space of but yeah
very cool very cool stuff very cool stuff now since this leads me perfectly into the
movie let's just talk about the movie you know let's just get it out of the way like
let's start with the plot I guess just very briefly not too much not too little I'm just
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gonna give you a bit of an overview but you do need to watch the movie I think if you
haven't watched it already the competition has been you know picking up again so I think
this is the time for you guys to go and watch the movie it's available I think on streaming
as well but I bought I bought the movie I bought the movie like I love the movie so
much that I bought it digitally a digital copy so but I'm sure you can find it so anyways
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it is first of all this claim first disclaimer I guess it is a body horror which it means
basically that there is a lot of blood and a lot of violence and a lot of you know disgusting
scenes like I'm talking about like revolting like stomach revolting like very very disgusting
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scenes like really riveting stuff so if you are disturbed I guess by these things and
you're not really good with like I'm talking about a lot of blood at a certain point in
the movie there's a lot of blood like after a while it gets very disgusting a very I'm
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not saying disgusting in like in a derogatory way but like it's really like supposed to
make you feel like that way like very revolting type of scenes and like everything else so
what are your own risk but if you are not minded too much by this then you need to watch
the movie so it basically follows a celebrity I guess from the movie I guess you can also
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tell like she is also a movie an ex-movie star who is at the tail end of her career
and is her only occupation I guess now is just to lead these classes I guess and she
is in well I'm saying that she's at the tail end of her career because she's in her 50s
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I guess and so as many of you guys know that is in like I guess in like the entertainment
industries terms is an old age for an entertainer and so she is basically but she used to be
such a you know in the movies is pretty much established that she was an incredibly popular
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star she had her own actual star on the Hollywood Walk whatever so that's what we're doing
with like with a faded celebrity I guess then she gets fired for no exact reason apart from
the fact that she is too like according to her producer too old and everything needs
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to be you know revamped and everything and all that stuff so that's the reason why the
producer wants to fire her and so this basically sends her into a whole spiral and into a full
like cycle of hatred and introspection I guess that leads her to basically hate herself and
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her appearance and I guess her own decaying body in that sense even though like she is
still very pretty and very healthy and healthy looking and like fit in that sense right but
it doesn't really matter because like this the opinion of someone that really you know
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is giving her a job in that sense like is keeping her employed really sent her into
a spiral and like makes her rethink everything and to the point where she then gets into
a car accident and accidentally stumbles upon the substance the substance is basically a
drug that you can use to create to duplicate yourself I guess and like create a much younger
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version of yourself and you can switch between the two bodies basically your conscience can
go between the two bodies there's of course a lot of like you know there are so many rules
to following that sense to keep the balance that the whole thing keep the balance right
they have to be one in that sense one side cannot overtake the other or the whole thing
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goes astray in that sense so and the side effects are crazy bad so that's where it starts
then getting interesting because the more she's in her other body like the younger
younger self the more she desires to stay in that one but when she switches back to
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when she basically breaks the rules like every seven days she should technically go back
and be in her old body for another seven days right so but sometimes it gets to that point
where she just wants to stay in the younger self and she breaks the rules and stays for
longer and then the more longer she breaks the rules the worse are the side effects to
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the original body so whenever she goes back to original body her body starts decaying
even faster and becomes older and sort of monstrous as well looking in a sense so and
to the point where like the two sides basically split their they have their own conscience
and their own needs and their own I guess interests so and they start hating each other
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in that sense as well so because one is like you know taking the youth away from them and
that's it and then all that so it's very interesting very cool concept for a movie I think and
there are so many different layers in this movie so many different layers but yeah basically
when she's in her younger self like in the younger body sue is so Elizabeth sparkles
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is the older lady of course portrayed by Demi Moore you may know her from ghost and other
other movies I can't remember like what was it oh my god about last night and well I mean
in Rio I think like she's been around for a long a long time she was in G.I. Jane I think
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oh yeah G.I. Jane yeah the scarlet letter all that stuff so she's been around for ages
and she this role for her was sort of also a self-parody in a way because she is sort
of also representing her own experience in the entertainment industry and being you know
ageism and all that stuff in entertainment industry but I guess a large she's also speaking
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about every person in every working field in that sense and like in society in general
being affected so much about their own age and like the prejudice against older people
but specifically women and specifically women in the entertainment industry so there's a
lot of that and so basically Sue who is instead portraying Elizabeth's younger self Sue is
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played by Margaret Qualley who is also notably part of the Taylor Swift universe you know
I had to bring her out but she is she's married to Jack Antonoff who is one of the main collaborators
of Taylor Swift so yeah so she's stunning in this role as well she's perfectly cast
as well and basically yeah Sue starts you know wants to be more in more active and have
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more days and be more you know more herself and so she starts breaking the rules and negatively
affecting therefore Elizabeth who becomes starts resenting Sue and all that stuff and
it goes into like a full bloody mess but I'll leave it to you guys to watch it I think because
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it is such an interesting experience and the more the movie progresses the more it becomes
delirious and like nonsensical I mean that's why at first I didn't really want to also
review it because I didn't really quite understand the ending itself and I'm still in the fence
about it I guess but it's not entirely nonsensical there is a meaning to that but it gets very
like extremely gory where to the point where it gets funny like to that point like it's
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so ironic that nonsensical that it becomes funny but yeah so go watch it have a blast
anyways now let's give credits where the credits are due so the movie itself was written directed
co-edited co-produced by one single person well I mean this single person has overseen
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the entirety of it all which is Coralie Farja who is a French writer like director and everything
and she is pretty much I would say up and coming she's not she's never had any big
breakout as of now and this has been definitely her critical breakout in that sense breakout
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movie so she is such an interesting director like she is not the stereotypical typical
like you know Hollywood director who goes for white shots and a lot of CGI and a lot
of green screen scenes and all that stuff she is a very practical and very artistically
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motivated director and I think that's what also in the many interviews that I've seen
also like Demi Moore and Margaret Qualie have been talking about and also herself she does
talk a lot about how she's very much motivated about other things not necessarily like you
know the usual stuff but yeah I think one of the great the great credits of this movie
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is that it was basically produced with just about a budget of like 17.5 million dollars
which is extremely low for a movie in general and it earned 79 million overall I think worldwide
that's the total box office but which is extremely impressive and it's a sign of like you know
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especially for a critically acclaimed movie like it's not a mainstream movie it's not
supposed to be a mainstream movie in that sense it's for the critics mostly but it's
an incredible budget and a an incredible commercial success in that sense so very very very impressive
and you know also makes you wonder like you know when you hear these numbers you're like
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well you have to watch it you know I have to like know what people are talking about
and why it's such a big topic so yeah and I think what's even you know more interesting
is that the movie came out in May 2024 but since now we're running into the you know
the award season you're getting a lot of you know new critical perspectives on the movie
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and it's been receiving a lot of acclaim as well in the different you know award shows
so it's been nominated a lot into like in the critics choice awards and like the golden
globe awards and I think we're still waiting for the shortlist for the Oscars as well but
Danny Moore has also won now very recently a golden globe award for best actress in a
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musical or comedy for this role so this is massive also for her because she coincidentally
she also has never won in her 40 plus years of her career she's never won any award as
an actress so any major award as an actress I guess so this was so so full circle also
for the movie itself because it's so interesting like she literally proves a point through
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a movie that is about ageism in the entertainment industry so it's just incredible to me like
it's crazy so yeah I think it's just you know there are so many elements or in terms of
production and everything that are just so cool I was also very impressed when I found
out that most of the movie well most of the movie well like many parts of the movie have
been shot in actual actually in France even though the movie's sort of set in this like
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Hollywood type of city but it's actually also a lot of it has been shot in France also the
reason why the budget has been so low for this movie is because like most of it actually
the like majority of the movie has been shot through practical effects and a lot of prosthetics
and basically gives the movie definitely more of an indie type of production but at the
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same time it's just much more effective and it really shows all these big producers like
in Hollywood that you can actually make such an interesting movie with a very low budget
and still make it visually super interesting like the movie is a visual feast there's a
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lot in terms of like you know shots and cinematography that you know is worth noting in that sense
like so many like even in terms of like outfits and like color grading and all that is just
impeccable in that in that department also I think to Coralie's credit most of the movie
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was already sort of envisioned by herself like she already went to you know to the filming
sets with all the scenes already planned out in her brain and like and she also I think
sketched all of the movie itself so she was ready to go I found also crazy another thing
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that I found very interesting is that the movie was shot for a good five months or
something and it's insane because also in terms of sets and locations and everything
the movie doesn't really go anywhere crazy it's mostly like concentrated in Elizabeth's
house and the studio itself and just like you see like they rarely like see you know
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there are not that many scenes like she doesn't travel like Elizabeth doesn't travel anywhere
else who doesn't travel anywhere else so it's all concentrated in one small environment
but it just took so long because one of the practical effects and everything and also
I think the prosthetics and all that and how Coralie is just a very I want to say anal
type of director so yeah it's just insane so and also kudos to the actresses to who
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managed to put up with all this and like still say sane in that sense but yeah just I was
just impressed by you finding out all these things that I like just an incredible feat
for a movie you know but anyways let's now get into my thoughts I guess I'm like just
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the main plot points or like the main themes I guess for the movie managed to like talk
about and explore in depth I said the main point I guess for the movie is just ageism
and how specifically women are easily set aside when they reach a certain age despite
them being incredibly successful in whatever they do so that's one already the one of the
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most glaring I guess themes in the movie and it's like explored throughout the entire the
entirety of the movie of course from the moment it starts to towards even the end and the
very gory bloody ending as well now I'm gonna start also talking about talking about spoilers
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because I'm gonna have to like you know eventually name some scenes and all that so continue
of course at your own risk but yeah I want to talk about so that yeah ageism is of course
a big a big big plot point of throughout the entire movie so that's one but I think also
in a way it's very interesting how ageism and like most definitely also misogynism and
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just self-hatred in that sense is something that truthfully like is internalized so easily
and like is just something that takes root and completely changes your your mindset like
the way you view things like literally Elizabeth was so happy at the beginning of the movie
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like just doing what she loved the most I guess she wasn't really bothered already by
the condition she was in like she was just like doing basically this fitness program
or whatever which was quite limiting I guess but she wasn't really bothered by that or
at least it's never been how to say it's never been established in the plot line that she
was bothered by the restrictions that were put in her career towards the end you know
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because of her age but I think what sends her over the edge is just the fact that it
cannot be taken away from her so quickly without even her having a say on it and for the stupidest
reasons ever that she cannot and for reasons that she cannot even change so then therefore
she starts internalizing all these things and she starts to believe that she is actually
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terribly old and she has lost value because of her age and she's no longer of any use
and then therefore she tries to fix I guess the problem quote unquote fix by looking into
other things you know like remedies and all this stuff and then the substance itself I
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think is a big signifier of that it's sort of like a representation I guess of all the
plastic surgery and alterations that women do to like go through to change themselves
to try to remain youthful but ultimately end up turning people into monsters basically
when they take it too far in that sense because the movie does go in that direction as well
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like the substance gets abused so much that it turns Elizabeth into actual both Elizabeth
and Sue into an actual monster because they both go into two separate ways like Elizabeth
gets so depleted by this whole thing that she becomes like incredibly old but like also
monstrous in that sense while Sue trying to get rid of Elizabeth once she basically successfully
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kills Elizabeth off she of course kills off the balance as well and then she suffers the
consequences of that and she becomes an actual monster when she tries to you know inject
a second time which like you know she keeps on bringing the rules and he gets to that
point so I guess it is also a commentary on like all these plastic surgery that has been
you know an integrating part of our society nowadays and like how people take it so far
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that it turns them into like unrecognizable individuals so I also liked that part to be
fair which is very very interesting to me I mean I am not against plastic surgery to
make it clear I do think it's okay to use it and in moderation I guess but I think some
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people do use it so much for the wrong reasons and that it takes them to this level of you
know craziness in a way so yeah I also think in a way the movie is there is even though
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it's not entirely explored I guess specifically but there are a lot of I think there are a
lot of signs I guess of a mother daughter relationship between Elizabeth and Sue even
though they're not daughter and well daughter and mother in that sense but they are they
also technically are I guess because she is born out of Elizabeth's DNA and everything
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but yeah and how basically a lot of mothers see in their daughters like a replacement
for themselves and like their youth youthness I guess in that sense gets taken away from
them when they give birth and all that stuff and like they you know seeing their daughters
grow is a constant reminder of their own decaying body in that sense so I wish the movie went
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a bit more into that relationship maybe like that aspect but I think it's definitely there
as well in that sense like it's pretty much especially in the last moment where like Elizabeth
wants to terminate the experiment and is about to kill off Sue but then regrets in brings
Sue back to life or whatever that to me was speaking a lot in that department I guess
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but they never really fully went there so take it with a grain of salt I guess so yeah
and I think also it's something that I don't think many people realize but I think this
is actually not exaggerated in that sense like the ageism in that sense is not it's
actually very glaring especially in the entertainment industry like it's so so so so so bad and
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not simply in the movies industry but also music for example like see how many times
like pop stars get replaced by other younger versions I guess in that sense like how many
people how many like you know entertainers in that sense managed to only stay relevant
for a very short period of time because just the culture and like everything moves so fast
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that it craves for that replacement rate in that sense so yeah so that's that's quite
interesting in my opinion like something that should have been I guess explored before like
in previous years but it's never been quite done as well as this and there are other movies
I think that also coincidentally came out in this year in 2004 that are also about the
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same topic the last show girl I think with Pamela Anderson and also baby girl by with
Nicole Kidman so they're all sort of all about the same topic in a way kind of they all deal
with ageism in a way so it's quite interesting that you know this was the conversation also
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there was around the movies you know the other movies that came out I think another important
thing to keep in mind is also that this movie falls aesthetically I guess into this lot
of the dirty dirty girl aesthetic that's what I like to call it but it's sort of like the
brattosphere the brat adjacent world the rave ravy type of aesthetic right the music in
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this movie is very much it could very much fit into the brat world and it's a trend that
was followed by so many other movies as well like if you think about it what was it challengers
also had a lot of like rave type of music like club type of music and very fast paced
and like a lot of you know clubby music and then I think even baby girl was has some elements
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of that and I think it's also partly because of 824 itself being so dominant this year
that they have brought their own aesthetic into this anora also has some sort of connection
to that world as well so it's quite interesting I mean I guess it makes sense why aesthetically
and like by the cinematography and everything it was so popular between the teens and the
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gen z's because it very much fits into what was happening also culturally in the music
scene and everywhere else so yeah I've seen plenty of like remixes very sick remixes very
cool I think there was one that was like 365 and pump it up remix it was so good I recommend
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checking it out on youtube if you can find it it's actually so fucking cool but yeah
really like I really really like the movie and I think to me specifically as I was saying
like the part that really confused me a lot was the end of it but then I sort of watched
so many interviews and all that and I sort of got the point that basically the movie
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is also a lot about violence you know that's also a big part of the movie itself violence
and like body horror is also embodying that violence towards well Elizabeth is very violent
towards Sue in that sense and Sue is very violent towards Elizabeth at first but it's
a violent violence that is like directed both at oneself so because Sue and Elizabeth are
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technically the same person but also I think the end the ending is also I guess an explosion
and like a explosion of violence towards the rest of the world like this tension and this
self-hatred built up so much that it then inevitably actually directs itself towards
the source which is society at large but also you know these people control what beauty
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standards are supposed to be and all that stuff you know so I think Indiana got there
it took me a bit I know I mean I sort of got the vibe that it was that but I never truly
like grasped it as well I mean I didn't really see the connection between the genre and the
point of the movie but it makes so much sense and I think what really surprised me the most
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also by hearing by listening to the interviews is that as Coralie says sometimes you need
something this shocking and this riveting and this you know disgusting in a sense to
shock you and to create a reaction you know to generate a reaction in the public like
you can be subtle of course subtle is never underestimated of course like it's a choice
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that many people take when dealing with complicated subjects sometimes but sometimes you need
a good old body horror that shocks the hell out of you and puts you into a frenzy Coralie
really said like she chose to be so direct and so in your face because sometimes that's
the best strategy to like actually make you think and to send you into like these rabbit
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holes that I also fell into so yeah just it worked it worked it worked it worked it worked
it worked so yeah I hope you guys check it out and I hope at least I inspired some of
you guys to just you know go to the movies a bit more like this past year has been so
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productive and so good I really think the movies have been you know the entire industry
like the entertainment industry has been picking up its pace and I think 2025 is going to be
very busy in terms of movies well January's January's has been quite bad as of now and
it's going to be quite bad this month but I think we're going to start getting a lot
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of interesting things and interesting movies interesting stuff and I'm very much excited
as that also about music I'm very much excited about what new projects are going to come
out and there is a lot on the horizon and I will be covering all that and be you know
I will be reviewing all these things on the podcast so stay tuned also remember to follow
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me on my social media it's usually my in description of every episode but also you can find me
you know on Instagram, TikTok all that and just remember to check out the playlists as
well they're all called the Overshare pamphlets songs of the week, month and year so you can
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find them like that as well anyways see you next episode bye.
Hey, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one man show.
Happy 2025.
This is the first episode of the year.
And I have to start this episode by saying that I lied.
I lied.
I have to say I lied.
In the last episode I said I was going to record a new, well another episode before
the end of the year.
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But I didn't because I was so busy packing up and like you know, fingering out all my
last minute purchases for the holidays and all that stuff and then I was off for two
weeks so I didn't really bring any recording device with me apart from my phone so I didn't
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you know, I needed a break as well in general.
I just needed to rest a bit so here we are.
Here we are.
So apologies for not putting anything out in the past three weeks but my girl is busy
you know.
So I need to also be on it.
But yeah anyways, I hope you guys had a lovely you know, holiday.
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Christmas holidays always go by so fast so I hope at least you guys enjoyed yourselves
and had a wonderful time and also I hope 2025 brings you guys pretty much anything your
heart desires.
Yeah, I think also just to approach 2025, my big I guess, I don't know, like expectation
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I guess from a year is that, I mean every time a new year starts for me is just like
sort of like a reboot in terms of pop culture and like just trends and everything else and
looking back on what 2024 brought us, I'm just so excited now for 2025 to bring something
else right?
So some new trends, some new you know, new music, new movies, new books, new forms of
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entertainment and all that stuff so and 2024 has been a chaotic year in terms of what was
popping off and all that and we had a very important a year I guess for pop culture like
very female dominated year and varied in terms of genres and like what really gave us I guess
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the most entertainment like we had so many horror movies you think about it, so many
different like type of genres popping off like country, we had a moment with country
music, we had a moment with like well very big moment that influenced other percolated
I guess to other parts of pop culture which was sort of the rave club music brought by
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Bratt and Bratt Summer and we also had the very like you know quintessential pop summer
with Sabrina and so there has been a lot, like a lot of different areas have been you
know dominating in different ways I guess and this is more like a testament also to
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how fragmented I guess our audiences are in that sense like the audience in general like
the culture has just fragmented, there's no monoculture anymore I think I've talked to
about like about this at Nozium in my previous episodes as well and so many episodes but
this is sort of a sign that there's no longer like a single leading strand of pop culture
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in that sense like whatever like it's so dispersed now that whatever the majority like you know
starts listening to it doesn't really matter like there's always space for something else
to just blow up and which is very exciting in hindsight to be fair we had so many different
moments so and today I want to talk also about something that is a combination of all that
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I guess and very much a spearheader in terms of how in terms of like a 2024 transit movies
and all that stuff I'm gonna talk about the substance in retrospective I guess because
I did watch the movie of course when it came out but I sort of never reviewed it just because
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like mostly one I was so confused by the movie when it first came out I wasn't really
entirely sure how to feel about it I knew that I liked it but I didn't really know
to what extent and like I also thought about the movie so much that it took me a while
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to like actually focus on why it is so important in that sense like why it was so critically
acclaimed and also since you know the it is the seasons for the awards I guess it is award
season so the conversations about this movie I've picked up again and I've seen sort of
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like a resurgence now also between the fans and like the consumers in general about this
movie so it's been getting a lot of traction you know and it's so interesting because this
started off as a very you know small movie like the budget was so small and just the
team behind it was also pretty small and like everything else was just like a very indie
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sort of effort and to see it go this far and get especially after the Golden Globes and
everything is just quite interesting so that sort of kick-started rediscovery of the movie
for me personally so I rewatched it again for my computer now because it's like available
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everywhere digitally as well so I just sort of went into a new rabbit hole with this movie
and I am happy to report that I have so many new thoughts about this movie and just in
general like I think I sort of got the point of the movie even further like there are so
many different elements and layers to this and I then I started watching so many interviews
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and so many reviews of the movie as well I just fell into rabbit hole and now I'm here
and this is so interesting because I don't know why I'm talking about this as my first
episode but again as I said this is sort of also a movie that represents what was what
was and sort of I guess still is but mostly what was popping off and I was very popular
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and what was I guess very influential in 2024 so this is probably the manifesto movie for
2024 it has a bit of everything so yeah but again as usual and something that will never
I will never give up on this uh flabby podcast is my contribution to the songs of the week
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so here's what I've been listening to now I know it's been three weeks so I'll try
and just get four four tracks or something but during the holidays we had the um sos
deluxe album Lana by SZA and she she added like what 15 songs or something to to sos
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after two years I believe that the album was out so this is a deluxe version but technically
it's more of a um side b I guess to the album I don't know like it's 15 more tracks so and
you know what like I want to bring this up um why is no one talking about you know SZA
doing this but then everyone is you know complaining about Taylor Swift having a 39 track album
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or whatever like SZA did exactly the same and no one is batting an eye so whatever but
um I guess you could argue like it's been two years but again just release as a release
it as a separate project or whatever but anyways as usual excellence excellence excellence
in this album but there are so many songs that I like I'm gonna list them all but I
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think I'm gonna choose one probably I want to limit myself to like choose just one but
I loved BMF I loved Scorsese Baby Daddy I loved Another Life I loved Kitchen I loved
Kitchen Down personally but my favorite one was Cry Baby personally like that song is
just so good so relatable it's a very like production wise it's a very stereotypical
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like R&B ballad in that sense but it does have a lot of relatable lyrics and it's just
like basically SZA like sort of coming to terms with herself and like realizing that
she's always getting in her own way and then if she didn't she would be less of a cry baby
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and she would you know be less of a burden to her partner etc etc so very relatable stuff
I loved If It's Murphy's Law What Can Go Wrong Will Go Wrong like that sort of encapsulates
I guess SZA's mindset in general the way she thinks and everything else so very a very
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pessimistic person a very catastrophic person but yeah it's just so good like I love her
vocals on this very like dreamy type of production again very stereotypically R&B ballad I guess
but it's just still very effective and also her vocals are just incredible like her vocal
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cellist choices on this are just impeccable so Cry Baby yeah Cry Baby yes that is going
into the place also like I find it very funny on how 200 people were saying that she copied
Melanie Martinez but because of the prosthetics I guess for the album and some of the production
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I guess I don't know but it's just like it's very far-fetched because the type of songs
that she actually made are so different from what Melanie Martinez does and I find very
little overlap apart from the prosthetics but prosthetics are not Melanie Martinez did
not invent the prosthetics like she's been cry baby like without prosthetics for two
albums like come on so yeah this song hit and I love like I have a very specific association
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with like I mean to me S.O.S. is a Christmas or like the winter album and the Deluxe is
no different also because of when it came out as well and just like you know I've been
listening to this song specifically a lot during the holiday so yeah pretty pretty
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lit love the song so much love the song down actually next song is you know what whatever
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The Greatest by Cat Power now this when was in Italy came on the radio and I have never
even heard of Cat Power before I was like who is she but the song is very sad like really
really sad even in terms of productions like a piano orchestral like violin is there something
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that yeah type of ballad so yeah but very depressing I am not entirely sure what it
is about like it's just like it's like once I want to be the greatest that's domain like
two fists of solid rock whatever but yeah I don't know I just love the vote like the
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the rawness of this track it's very it's very she's sad she's sad she's sad but you guys
may know about her and about her music I believe the song is quite old well a bit old maybe
but either way that hit so kudos to Cat Power she really did that then I do want to talk
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about can't get you can't get you by Jaeyoon from his first album Jaey this song must have
come out in 2024 like mid midway through 2024 I guess didn't really listen to the album
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at all but I just sort of wanted some KRMB my life so I just went around and looked for
it and this was it oh actually 26th of August so I'm not really too late to this to the
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game but this song is so good like it's really really good it's the closer to the album as
well and Jaeyoon really fits the the RMB aesthetic I guess the RMB voice like production and
everything he has that voice like he has that voice for that type of song then since we're
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talking about the substance I have to pump it up in the playlist this is the original
track that was remixed then for the for the movie and it's when Asu in a movie performs
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for the first time I think so yeah this song is just house music I guess like it's a very
housey type of song and it does remind me a lot of like what would they were using like
those fitness classes like video fitness classes or whatever which is the whole point of the
movie as well but it's just infectious I don't know it's just like I keep on thinking about
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this damn song all the time and I think also it's because like a lot of new edits have
been popping up on my TikTok for you page and they all use this damn song pump it up
you got to pump it up don't you know pump it up anyways this is pump it up by and or
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just think of your regular I guess like I don't know like workout class like Zumba not
Zumba I don't know like why would you describe that I guess like just yeah workout like body
workout or whatever like you know walking to stay fit or whatever all that stuff like
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video classes or whatever so that's not what music it is sort of in the space of but yeah
very cool very cool stuff very cool stuff now since this leads me perfectly into the
movie let's just talk about the movie you know let's just get it out of the way like
let's start with the plot I guess just very briefly not too much not too little I'm just
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gonna give you a bit of an overview but you do need to watch the movie I think if you
haven't watched it already the competition has been you know picking up again so I think
this is the time for you guys to go and watch the movie it's available I think on streaming
as well but I bought I bought the movie I bought the movie like I love the movie so
much that I bought it digitally a digital copy so but I'm sure you can find it so anyways
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it is first of all this claim first disclaimer I guess it is a body horror which it means
basically that there is a lot of blood and a lot of violence and a lot of you know disgusting
scenes like I'm talking about like revolting like stomach revolting like very very disgusting
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scenes like really riveting stuff so if you are disturbed I guess by these things and
you're not really good with like I'm talking about a lot of blood at a certain point in
the movie there's a lot of blood like after a while it gets very disgusting a very I'm
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not saying disgusting in like in a derogatory way but like it's really like supposed to
make you feel like that way like very revolting type of scenes and like everything else so
what are your own risk but if you are not minded too much by this then you need to watch
the movie so it basically follows a celebrity I guess from the movie I guess you can also
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tell like she is also a movie an ex-movie star who is at the tail end of her career
and is her only occupation I guess now is just to lead these classes I guess and she
is in well I'm saying that she's at the tail end of her career because she's in her 50s
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I guess and so as many of you guys know that is in like I guess in like the entertainment
industries terms is an old age for an entertainer and so she is basically but she used to be
such a you know in the movies is pretty much established that she was an incredibly popular
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star she had her own actual star on the Hollywood Walk whatever so that's what we're doing
with like with a faded celebrity I guess then she gets fired for no exact reason apart from
the fact that she is too like according to her producer too old and everything needs
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to be you know revamped and everything and all that stuff so that's the reason why the
producer wants to fire her and so this basically sends her into a whole spiral and into a full
like cycle of hatred and introspection I guess that leads her to basically hate herself and
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her appearance and I guess her own decaying body in that sense even though like she is
still very pretty and very healthy and healthy looking and like fit in that sense right but
it doesn't really matter because like this the opinion of someone that really you know
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is giving her a job in that sense like is keeping her employed really sent her into
a spiral and like makes her rethink everything and to the point where she then gets into
a car accident and accidentally stumbles upon the substance the substance is basically a
drug that you can use to create to duplicate yourself I guess and like create a much younger
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version of yourself and you can switch between the two bodies basically your conscience can
go between the two bodies there's of course a lot of like you know there are so many rules
to following that sense to keep the balance that the whole thing keep the balance right
they have to be one in that sense one side cannot overtake the other or the whole thing
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goes astray in that sense so and the side effects are crazy bad so that's where it starts
then getting interesting because the more she's in her other body like the younger
younger self the more she desires to stay in that one but when she switches back to
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when she basically breaks the rules like every seven days she should technically go back
and be in her old body for another seven days right so but sometimes it gets to that point
where she just wants to stay in the younger self and she breaks the rules and stays for
longer and then the more longer she breaks the rules the worse are the side effects to
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the original body so whenever she goes back to original body her body starts decaying
even faster and becomes older and sort of monstrous as well looking in a sense so and
to the point where like the two sides basically split their they have their own conscience
and their own needs and their own I guess interests so and they start hating each other
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in that sense as well so because one is like you know taking the youth away from them and
that's it and then all that so it's very interesting very cool concept for a movie I think and
there are so many different layers in this movie so many different layers but yeah basically
when she's in her younger self like in the younger body sue is so Elizabeth sparkles
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is the older lady of course portrayed by Demi Moore you may know her from ghost and other
other movies I can't remember like what was it oh my god about last night and well I mean
in Rio I think like she's been around for a long a long time she was in G.I. Jane I think
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oh yeah G.I. Jane yeah the scarlet letter all that stuff so she's been around for ages
and she this role for her was sort of also a self-parody in a way because she is sort
of also representing her own experience in the entertainment industry and being you know
ageism and all that stuff in entertainment industry but I guess a large she's also speaking
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about every person in every working field in that sense and like in society in general
being affected so much about their own age and like the prejudice against older people
but specifically women and specifically women in the entertainment industry so there's a
lot of that and so basically Sue who is instead portraying Elizabeth's younger self Sue is
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played by Margaret Qualley who is also notably part of the Taylor Swift universe you know
I had to bring her out but she is she's married to Jack Antonoff who is one of the main collaborators
of Taylor Swift so yeah so she's stunning in this role as well she's perfectly cast
as well and basically yeah Sue starts you know wants to be more in more active and have
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more days and be more you know more herself and so she starts breaking the rules and negatively
affecting therefore Elizabeth who becomes starts resenting Sue and all that stuff and
it goes into like a full bloody mess but I'll leave it to you guys to watch it I think because
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it is such an interesting experience and the more the movie progresses the more it becomes
delirious and like nonsensical I mean that's why at first I didn't really want to also
review it because I didn't really quite understand the ending itself and I'm still in the fence
about it I guess but it's not entirely nonsensical there is a meaning to that but it gets very
like extremely gory where to the point where it gets funny like to that point like it's
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so ironic that nonsensical that it becomes funny but yeah so go watch it have a blast
anyways now let's give credits where the credits are due so the movie itself was written directed
co-edited co-produced by one single person well I mean this single person has overseen
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the entirety of it all which is Coralie Farja who is a French writer like director and everything
and she is pretty much I would say up and coming she's not she's never had any big
breakout as of now and this has been definitely her critical breakout in that sense breakout
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movie so she is such an interesting director like she is not the stereotypical typical
like you know Hollywood director who goes for white shots and a lot of CGI and a lot
of green screen scenes and all that stuff she is a very practical and very artistically
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motivated director and I think that's what also in the many interviews that I've seen
also like Demi Moore and Margaret Qualie have been talking about and also herself she does
talk a lot about how she's very much motivated about other things not necessarily like you
know the usual stuff but yeah I think one of the great the great credits of this movie
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is that it was basically produced with just about a budget of like 17.5 million dollars
which is extremely low for a movie in general and it earned 79 million overall I think worldwide
that's the total box office but which is extremely impressive and it's a sign of like you know
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especially for a critically acclaimed movie like it's not a mainstream movie it's not
supposed to be a mainstream movie in that sense it's for the critics mostly but it's
an incredible budget and a an incredible commercial success in that sense so very very very impressive
and you know also makes you wonder like you know when you hear these numbers you're like
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well you have to watch it you know I have to like know what people are talking about
and why it's such a big topic so yeah and I think what's even you know more interesting
is that the movie came out in May 2024 but since now we're running into the you know
the award season you're getting a lot of you know new critical perspectives on the movie
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and it's been receiving a lot of acclaim as well in the different you know award shows
so it's been nominated a lot into like in the critics choice awards and like the golden
globe awards and I think we're still waiting for the shortlist for the Oscars as well but
Danny Moore has also won now very recently a golden globe award for best actress in a
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musical or comedy for this role so this is massive also for her because she coincidentally
she also has never won in her 40 plus years of her career she's never won any award as
an actress so any major award as an actress I guess so this was so so full circle also
for the movie itself because it's so interesting like she literally proves a point through
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a movie that is about ageism in the entertainment industry so it's just incredible to me like
it's crazy so yeah I think it's just you know there are so many elements or in terms of
production and everything that are just so cool I was also very impressed when I found
out that most of the movie well most of the movie well like many parts of the movie have
been shot in actual actually in France even though the movie's sort of set in this like
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Hollywood type of city but it's actually also a lot of it has been shot in France also the
reason why the budget has been so low for this movie is because like most of it actually
the like majority of the movie has been shot through practical effects and a lot of prosthetics
and basically gives the movie definitely more of an indie type of production but at the
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same time it's just much more effective and it really shows all these big producers like
in Hollywood that you can actually make such an interesting movie with a very low budget
and still make it visually super interesting like the movie is a visual feast there's a
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lot in terms of like you know shots and cinematography that you know is worth noting in that sense
like so many like even in terms of like outfits and like color grading and all that is just
impeccable in that in that department also I think to Coralie's credit most of the movie
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was already sort of envisioned by herself like she already went to you know to the filming
sets with all the scenes already planned out in her brain and like and she also I think
sketched all of the movie itself so she was ready to go I found also crazy another thing
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that I found very interesting is that the movie was shot for a good five months or
something and it's insane because also in terms of sets and locations and everything
the movie doesn't really go anywhere crazy it's mostly like concentrated in Elizabeth's
house and the studio itself and just like you see like they rarely like see you know
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there are not that many scenes like she doesn't travel like Elizabeth doesn't travel anywhere
else who doesn't travel anywhere else so it's all concentrated in one small environment
but it just took so long because one of the practical effects and everything and also
I think the prosthetics and all that and how Coralie is just a very I want to say anal
type of director so yeah it's just insane so and also kudos to the actresses to who
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managed to put up with all this and like still say sane in that sense but yeah just I was
just impressed by you finding out all these things that I like just an incredible feat
for a movie you know but anyways let's now get into my thoughts I guess I'm like just
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the main plot points or like the main themes I guess for the movie managed to like talk
about and explore in depth I said the main point I guess for the movie is just ageism
and how specifically women are easily set aside when they reach a certain age despite
them being incredibly successful in whatever they do so that's one already the one of the
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most glaring I guess themes in the movie and it's like explored throughout the entire the
entirety of the movie of course from the moment it starts to towards even the end and the
very gory bloody ending as well now I'm gonna start also talking about talking about spoilers
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because I'm gonna have to like you know eventually name some scenes and all that so continue
of course at your own risk but yeah I want to talk about so that yeah ageism is of course
a big a big big plot point of throughout the entire movie so that's one but I think also
in a way it's very interesting how ageism and like most definitely also misogynism and
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just self-hatred in that sense is something that truthfully like is internalized so easily
and like is just something that takes root and completely changes your your mindset like
the way you view things like literally Elizabeth was so happy at the beginning of the movie
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like just doing what she loved the most I guess she wasn't really bothered already by
the condition she was in like she was just like doing basically this fitness program
or whatever which was quite limiting I guess but she wasn't really bothered by that or
at least it's never been how to say it's never been established in the plot line that she
was bothered by the restrictions that were put in her career towards the end you know
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because of her age but I think what sends her over the edge is just the fact that it
cannot be taken away from her so quickly without even her having a say on it and for the stupidest
reasons ever that she cannot and for reasons that she cannot even change so then therefore
she starts internalizing all these things and she starts to believe that she is actually
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terribly old and she has lost value because of her age and she's no longer of any use
and then therefore she tries to fix I guess the problem quote unquote fix by looking into
other things you know like remedies and all this stuff and then the substance itself I
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think is a big signifier of that it's sort of like a representation I guess of all the
plastic surgery and alterations that women do to like go through to change themselves
to try to remain youthful but ultimately end up turning people into monsters basically
when they take it too far in that sense because the movie does go in that direction as well
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like the substance gets abused so much that it turns Elizabeth into actual both Elizabeth
and Sue into an actual monster because they both go into two separate ways like Elizabeth
gets so depleted by this whole thing that she becomes like incredibly old but like also
monstrous in that sense while Sue trying to get rid of Elizabeth once she basically successfully
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kills Elizabeth off she of course kills off the balance as well and then she suffers the
consequences of that and she becomes an actual monster when she tries to you know inject
a second time which like you know she keeps on bringing the rules and he gets to that
point so I guess it is also a commentary on like all these plastic surgery that has been
you know an integrating part of our society nowadays and like how people take it so far
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that it turns them into like unrecognizable individuals so I also liked that part to be
fair which is very very interesting to me I mean I am not against plastic surgery to
make it clear I do think it's okay to use it and in moderation I guess but I think some
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people do use it so much for the wrong reasons and that it takes them to this level of you
know craziness in a way so yeah I also think in a way the movie is there is even though
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it's not entirely explored I guess specifically but there are a lot of I think there are a
lot of signs I guess of a mother daughter relationship between Elizabeth and Sue even
though they're not daughter and well daughter and mother in that sense but they are they
also technically are I guess because she is born out of Elizabeth's DNA and everything
(36:16):
but yeah and how basically a lot of mothers see in their daughters like a replacement
for themselves and like their youth youthness I guess in that sense gets taken away from
them when they give birth and all that stuff and like they you know seeing their daughters
grow is a constant reminder of their own decaying body in that sense so I wish the movie went
(36:41):
a bit more into that relationship maybe like that aspect but I think it's definitely there
as well in that sense like it's pretty much especially in the last moment where like Elizabeth
wants to terminate the experiment and is about to kill off Sue but then regrets in brings
Sue back to life or whatever that to me was speaking a lot in that department I guess
(37:06):
but they never really fully went there so take it with a grain of salt I guess so yeah
and I think also it's something that I don't think many people realize but I think this
is actually not exaggerated in that sense like the ageism in that sense is not it's
actually very glaring especially in the entertainment industry like it's so so so so so bad and
(37:32):
not simply in the movies industry but also music for example like see how many times
like pop stars get replaced by other younger versions I guess in that sense like how many
people how many like you know entertainers in that sense managed to only stay relevant
for a very short period of time because just the culture and like everything moves so fast
(37:58):
that it craves for that replacement rate in that sense so yeah so that's that's quite
interesting in my opinion like something that should have been I guess explored before like
in previous years but it's never been quite done as well as this and there are other movies
I think that also coincidentally came out in this year in 2004 that are also about the
(38:23):
same topic the last show girl I think with Pamela Anderson and also baby girl by with
Nicole Kidman so they're all sort of all about the same topic in a way kind of they all deal
with ageism in a way so it's quite interesting that you know this was the conversation also
(38:44):
there was around the movies you know the other movies that came out I think another important
thing to keep in mind is also that this movie falls aesthetically I guess into this lot
of the dirty dirty girl aesthetic that's what I like to call it but it's sort of like the
brattosphere the brat adjacent world the rave ravy type of aesthetic right the music in
(39:08):
this movie is very much it could very much fit into the brat world and it's a trend that
was followed by so many other movies as well like if you think about it what was it challengers
also had a lot of like rave type of music like club type of music and very fast paced
and like a lot of you know clubby music and then I think even baby girl was has some elements
(39:35):
of that and I think it's also partly because of 824 itself being so dominant this year
that they have brought their own aesthetic into this anora also has some sort of connection
to that world as well so it's quite interesting I mean I guess it makes sense why aesthetically
and like by the cinematography and everything it was so popular between the teens and the
(39:59):
gen z's because it very much fits into what was happening also culturally in the music
scene and everywhere else so yeah I've seen plenty of like remixes very sick remixes very
cool I think there was one that was like 365 and pump it up remix it was so good I recommend
(40:24):
checking it out on youtube if you can find it it's actually so fucking cool but yeah
really like I really really like the movie and I think to me specifically as I was saying
like the part that really confused me a lot was the end of it but then I sort of watched
so many interviews and all that and I sort of got the point that basically the movie
(40:47):
is also a lot about violence you know that's also a big part of the movie itself violence
and like body horror is also embodying that violence towards well Elizabeth is very violent
towards Sue in that sense and Sue is very violent towards Elizabeth at first but it's
a violent violence that is like directed both at oneself so because Sue and Elizabeth are
(41:14):
technically the same person but also I think the end the ending is also I guess an explosion
and like a explosion of violence towards the rest of the world like this tension and this
self-hatred built up so much that it then inevitably actually directs itself towards
the source which is society at large but also you know these people control what beauty
(41:40):
standards are supposed to be and all that stuff you know so I think Indiana got there
it took me a bit I know I mean I sort of got the vibe that it was that but I never truly
like grasped it as well I mean I didn't really see the connection between the genre and the
point of the movie but it makes so much sense and I think what really surprised me the most
(42:02):
also by hearing by listening to the interviews is that as Coralie says sometimes you need
something this shocking and this riveting and this you know disgusting in a sense to
shock you and to create a reaction you know to generate a reaction in the public like
you can be subtle of course subtle is never underestimated of course like it's a choice
(42:27):
that many people take when dealing with complicated subjects sometimes but sometimes you need
a good old body horror that shocks the hell out of you and puts you into a frenzy Coralie
really said like she chose to be so direct and so in your face because sometimes that's
the best strategy to like actually make you think and to send you into like these rabbit
(42:50):
holes that I also fell into so yeah just it worked it worked it worked it worked it worked
it worked so yeah I hope you guys check it out and I hope at least I inspired some of
you guys to just you know go to the movies a bit more like this past year has been so
(43:14):
productive and so good I really think the movies have been you know the entire industry
like the entertainment industry has been picking up its pace and I think 2025 is going to be
very busy in terms of movies well January's January's has been quite bad as of now and
it's going to be quite bad this month but I think we're going to start getting a lot
(43:35):
of interesting things and interesting movies interesting stuff and I'm very much excited
as that also about music I'm very much excited about what new projects are going to come
out and there is a lot on the horizon and I will be covering all that and be you know
I will be reviewing all these things on the podcast so stay tuned also remember to follow
(43:57):
me on my social media it's usually my in description of every episode but also you can find me
you know on Instagram, TikTok all that and just remember to check out the playlists as
well they're all called the Overshare pamphlets songs of the week, month and year so you can
(44:19):
find them like that as well anyways see you next episode bye.
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