January 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Today's episode: so... yeah... all of that noise for nothing. The US government banned tiktok for a total of 14 hours. Let's talk about the possible reasons behind this, who is possibly going to try and buy the app and and what does this mean for the Trump administration.
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Hello, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet.
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one-man show.
Welcome back.
Welcome back TikTok.
Because, yeah, things have been moving so fast this weekend.
It's crazy.
I know I wanted to talk about TikTok in this episode, 100%, but I also was very much waiting
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to see when it was best to record.
So I pushed the recording of this episode until the very last minute, which is Sunday
evening at the moment.
And in fact, as expected, things have changed once again.
And now TikTok apparently is available to the US citizens once again.
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Like crazy, crazy stuff, crazy stuff.
But anyways, we'll get into the whole TikTok shit and again the TikTok ban of it all in
the US as usual.
But first, songs of the week.
Let me get into it.
So first off, Serotonin by Nectar is my favorite one, I think, out of this week.
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It's like very much giving like European house music a bit.
Like, yeah, it's giving house music, it's giving like Charlie XCX, like earlier stuff
by Charlie.
It's house and it's done like, well, Nectar is, I assume she's Korean.
I think I had another track by her, one of my previous playlists, which by the way you
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can find on Spotify by just searching the Overshore pamphlet, songs of the week, dash,
month and year.
So yeah, this is lit.
The song is really, really good.
I love Nectar, she has a lot of great tracks, so I actually encourage you guys to go and
listen to her.
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She has so many, so many cool, cool things.
But yeah, pretty much a slay.
Then Queen Eve, I talked to her, I talked about her before and she is an ex Luna member
for my K-pop fans who know about that group.
I don't know about her, of course know about her, but she came out of the Deluxe edition
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of her EP, which came out earlier in 2020.
Well, towards the end of 2024, I believe the EP was called I Did and now she came out with
a Deluxe version called I Did, Bloom, Deluxe.
And she put in just two extra songs, which are both incredibly good.
I cannot stress this enough.
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I'm literally so shocked about how good she is as a whole artist and the taste maker,
I guess, that she is.
She knows the vibe that she likes and what's going on there.
So yeah, pretty, pretty lit.
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But my favorite song out of the two Deluxe tracks are...
Well, the two Deluxe tracks are Bird and C.U.N.L. and C.U.N.L. is my jam.
I'm so crazy today, honestly, like the amount of information I've been reading about this
story is just insane.
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But I have to report, I have to report for my girls on your two feet, let's go.
Put our messy boots on and ready to go.
So C.U.N.L. is a power ballad, I would say, rock influenced a bit, but she still has that
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Vocaloid, I don't know if you could call it that, but a sort of filter on her voice.
I don't know if it's auto-tuned or not, like auto-tuned a bit, like stylistically auto-tuned.
But it's, I believe it's full in English as well, the track.
Some of the lyrics don't really make sense because of the way they're pronounced, I guess,
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but I am tuning in, turning it up every single time I can, basically.
So yeah, the song is actually so good.
C.U.N.L.
I think it's about a relationship that went wrong, and I think the chorus is very much
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her owning up to her own shit, and she knows she's unforgivable, and she, I guess, but
she also, I think, acknowledges in a way that their person has done something wrong as well,
is not a saint either, because she says, I'll see you in hell, you know?
Can't wait to see you in hell or something like that.
She acknowledges that she's done something wrong and that she's unforgivable, but then
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also, she says, well, you are also not a saint, and I guess if we cannot see each other now,
I'll see you in hell.
So that's actually kind of smart, honestly, like, it's very, you know, lyrics are lyrical,
you know?
So yeah.
Then, Force of Nature, another track that I really want to talk about is by Kezia.
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Don't know much about her specifically, but she had a lot of great tracks.
I started listening to her, like, literally this week, and Force of Nature is so good.
It's sort of...
It's like up tempo, I would say, but like, guitar heavy, I think, and it is...
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Like, I would still consider it chill, maybe.
I'm not sure.
It's up tempo, definitely, but I don't know if you guys know pearly drops, but that's
sort of the same vibe that it gives me, the type of music that they make.
Like, it's a bit fast paced, but it's also chill at the same time, and it's, you know,
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very soft vocals, like very much filtered vocals, like soft in the back, and it's really,
really good.
I love the guitar here, like the guitar here is just very jammy, very cool.
So she's going in the list, she's going in the list, she's going in the list.
And then...
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And then, I think I want to add this song that I...
I recently watched...
I know I'm late to the game, but I recently watched Queer by Luca Guadagnino, and the
movie itself, here are my two thoughts, because I'm not going to review the movie, because
I also fell asleep throughout it, because I actually was extremely disappointed and
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bored by the movie.
I think the first half is actually really good, but the second half is just what the
fuck is going on, and yeah, I think it was a bit of a letdown in terms of the movie itself,
the plot and all that.
But cinematography, really, really good.
Really impressed.
I think the costumes a lot, the costumes department did their thing, did their big one there.
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It's like 70s themed, I guess, the looks and everything, but I'm not sure entirely when
it's actually based in, like in what time period, but whatever.
And I've noticed that they actually...
It's actually, well, supposed to be set in Mexico, part of it, or in Latin America, but
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some of the songs are in Italian, oddly enough, and there's one song called Sui Giacchia by
Verdanam, and I just love the song.
I think it's in one of those scenes where the main character is in the bar, and he's
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sort of depressed as fuck because the young boy that he's in love with.
Yeah, also that, I am sick and tired of...
I understand that this is based on a book and everything else, but can we stop getting
representation in these terms?
I understand it's also the purpose of why the age gap was there and everything else,
but I'm so tired of it.
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He already did...
Look at what he already did with Calling by Your Name, whatever.
I think we deserve a local Guadagnino movie with two characters that are actually confirmed
to be the main love interests in the story, and they're actually gay.
I think that's the story that we, the fans, want, because Challengers was my favorite
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movie of the year last year.
But I do recognize that there was a lot of queer teasing in that sense, but nothing fully
materialized itself because there was always the love triangle, and eventually both guys
were going after Zendaya's character, but whatever, that's beyond the point.
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But I think it's time that he gives us a normal love...
It doesn't have to be normal, not in the sense of story-wise, you know what I mean?
How their relationship works and all that stuff.
But in terms of age gap, we don't want that.
I personally, I don't know, maybe some people do want to see that, but I do not want that.
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And I think Daniel Craig is the main character, like the actor is, between the main characters
is Daniel Craig, I think.
And if I'm wrong about that, sorry about that, but I'm not really good with actors' names,
but he is sort of...
He's really good in the role, but I would say, and I would agree with the general consensus
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that his performance is not up to par with the story, I guess, and you can tell that
either he didn't have the capacity to get this role right, because maybe he's not actually
queer himself, even though, I mean, we wouldn't know, but I think it's established that he's
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at least...
Well, he's been straight, or I don't know.
It's a bit of a difficult situation, but I think as far as we all know, he's openly straight.
And I think, to be quite frank, looking at the movie, watching the movie, I think it
was more like doing a caricature, like putting on a caricature, more than actually portraying
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the actual character.
And I think this type of role is a very personal role, and something that only someone who
has lived through the same experiences can actually tap into, because it's a very specific
story about a very old queer man who fears that he will never find love because of being
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queer and all that stuff.
So yeah, anyways, this is a huge tangent that I made just about this movie, but anyways,
I think the main point I want to talk about is that the song is incredible, it's really,
really good, it's a very sad song, very slow tempo acoustic guitar song, so check it out.
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Check it out.
The movie, don't check it out.
I would say, if you can avoid it, personally, I would say don't watch it.
I literally was so disappointed and so bored by the movie, so I literally fell asleep after
the second half started, because I was like, what the fuck is going on?
I don't have the brain power to keep up with this, there's no point in me watching it,
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and then if I was sleeping, I'd wake up again and I was like, oh, I'm still not done, what
the fuck, and all that.
So anyways, these are my songs of the week, and that's pretty much it on that topic.
But let's get to the real diva of the day, which is the ticker band that's already been
lifted by the way.
So let me give you a quick chronology of what roughly happened in the past, what, two days
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or something?
Well, it's been, the ultimate was already given, of course, to TikTok to be sold to
a UK, to a US company, and they had until basically Sunday in the US, like as soon as
the clock struck 12, the US government said that they were going to ban TikTok from the
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US, and they actually did ban it slightly before that, like a couple of hours or like
an hour before that, I think.
But it did go through for literally what, half a day, not even a full day, because it's
already back now.
My friends from the US already tell me that they're back on TikTok.
So that didn't last long, but also, are we surprised?
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No, we're not.
I personally wasn't surprised, honestly.
Like I knew this was going to happen.
I actually thought this was, you know, just, I don't know, something that was going to
happen eventually, like they were not going to let this go on for too long, also because
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it's like happening at the same time as Trump becoming officially president, like stepping
up as president.
And so he already said in some speeches that he would actually do his best to just extend
the time to find a deal.
So the old regime basically with Andrew Biden was still technically in power until yesterday.
Well, yeah, yesterday, I guess, for the US.
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They were going to go ahead with it.
And it was a bipartisan, actually, decision to go ahead with it.
So it was supported by the Supreme Court and all that.
So that is crazy.
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But yeah, Trump, I guess, held up his promise and he did restore it immediately.
So yeah, that's what happened.
And so we're back again with that.
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So let's just start off with, I had so many questions when I was writing these notes and
I was like, OK, this is actually good to start a conversation with this.
And yeah, so first question I had was, was this Trump's plan all along?
Like was this a political move from Trump to just get more, I guess, in the good graces
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of the young voters?
Because famously, he didn't really have much support from them.
So this definitely is crazy good, like in terms of for his own gains, I guess.
Like this is a perfect plan for him to just be seen as the saviour, I guess, for young
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people who literally fixed it in two seconds.
But I think there's also more to the story.
I personally believe we'll get into that in a few seconds.
But I literally thought of that immediately.
I was like, he's going to do it definitely, because that's a great chance for him to just
rehabilitate his image, I guess, for in between young people.
But I wouldn't be surprised if young people actually don't really care such about him
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anyways.
They're grateful, of course, that he did that.
But I don't know if they really care about him anyway.
So fuck that.
So but yeah, I go to you know, anyway, it's a good move for him.
But we still do not like Trump.
So f off.
But anyways, I think the main conversations that were like thrown out in these few days
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were what about the freedom of speech and the usage of platforms?
Is it actually, you know, is it fair for the US to do all this?
And what are what are the concerns and what are the reasons why the US has done this?
And by the way, the whole thing is not off the table.
So like it has been restored, I guess the access but just because like the Trump has
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extended time to find a deal, I guess.
So tick tock is like the US is still looking into buying tick tock, I guess.
And to me, that's the main stinker here.
Like I understand the security concerns that the US has in terms of data usage and all
that stuff.
But I also don't at the same time, but I'll get into that in a bit as well.
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But also it seems to me that it's also veiled a bit and it's like, you know, a pretext
to just gain control of this app that has significantly outperformed a lot of the main
US based apps, you know, like it seems weird that they want to buy that the entire app
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just to have control over it.
Who tells us that the US is going to use the app in a more quote unquote responsible way
compared to Singapore?
Because technically, it's not even China.
But there is a bit of a conundrum there, but we'll get to that as well.
So first question I had is, is it extortionist to buy tick tock or to impose these conditions
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in the first place?
Like who guarantees that like the data bought by the US won't be used for other unfair use
ends, you know?
Like as far as we know, there's no, first of all, no evidence, no concrete evidence
that China is like, you know, using tick tock's data for espionage purposes or just collect
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data irresponsibly and whatever to spy on people and all that.
There's no concrete basis for that.
There's no proof of that.
And if anything, and this is not my simple opinion, but it's just like many other people
who are, who have studied this whole thing for a long time and have all the information
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about it, like they're US tech experts and all that stuff.
Tick tock basically, the bottom line is that tick tock is definitely collecting a lot of
data, but it's not in any, in any, in any event, like no stretch of the imagination
is not more invasive or illegal than what other US companies are already doing.
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Like I'm talking about Google, I'm talking about Meta, like Facebook, Instagram, all
these apps are using very similar tools and like, I think they're collecting the same
exact type of data.
I'm talking about literally location, contact lists, access to photos, even keyboard usage,
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passwords, all that stuff.
Like you're doing the same exact thing and yet the US has a problem with like when tick
tock is using the same things, you know?
So it really makes you wonder like, is it really actually a security threat or is it
more like a politically motivated like suprematist, I guess, move to just, you know, try and kill
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off competition and all this stuff.
Like to me it is first of all very anti-competitive in a way, but also I just don't, don't really
think that this is in the interest of the people because if it weren't in the interest
of the people, then the US would also start looking into their own apps, which it hasn't
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happened yet and they're still doing the same thing.
But since they're US based and US owned, I guess, well US owned businesses, well then
they're not, like they're like privately owned but like based in the US, I think they are
technically responsible due to US laws, which is fair, but also no one is doing anything
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about it, you know?
So what, like what's up with that?
I think the only fair criticism that can be raised against TinkTok is just a criticism
that should be raised basically against all companies in general, all social media platforms.
Like is it fair for you guys to collect all these data?
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What are you doing with all this data?
It's a fair question to ask these things, but I think trying to buy the app is just
a bit of a sinker in my opinion.
Like it's a bit of a, I don't know, I don't really see the motive and like the motivation
behind it.
Like it's just weird.
And yeah, as you know, Lin, who is basically a long term ethical hacker, basically, I would
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say he is right.
We just need more, we should just call for more evidence based policies and that's it.
But yeah, I think going to these lines is a bit extreme and I mean, in a way, I think
it's something that was just bound to happen more so because of the political, I guess,
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troubles that I've raised and the lack of trust that now China has gained I guess over
the past few years.
But yeah, it's just crazy that it happened so fast and also in a blink of an eye and
like how many people were not happy about it, but still we went ahead without their consensus.
So there you go.
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But yeah, anyways, I think also let's talk about like TikTok getting bought, I guess,
or like trying to buy TikTok in that sense.
Is it fair also for that to happen?
Like this is an app that was technically, you know, built from the ground in Singapore.
So it's not an app that was created by the US by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yes, it was inspired by different US apps, of course.
But still, this app became famous outside of the US.
Like it wasn't the US researcher or whoever, like IT person who invented this app.
It is a Singaporean app and it did outperform all the US apps in the past few years by any
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stretch of the imagination.
It is the most used app by younger people at least.
So I find it very extortionist in a way to like do all this.
And again, especially because there's no proper evidence that Singapore, like the company
that owns TikTok is passing all this data to China.
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I think it's even more of a, you know, an extortionist move.
So how, and also I really think TikTok, like the owners of TikTok, I guess in that sense,
do not want to sell the app.
And also why should they sell the app?
Literally it's something that they created and they invested so much time and money into.
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Regardless of like how invasive the app is, it's still, the algorithm itself is something
that is like so unique to TikTok and so valuable.
Like it's, there is a secret sauce in there.
Like there is something so specific to that algorithm that just makes the app worth so
much.
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I think at the moment, TikTok is like rated as a hundred or 200 billion dollars worth.
So that is insane.
Like crazy shit.
And I think it would be crazy for them to sell the app just for, I mean, they are going
to lose if the ban goes up again.
They're going to lose probably like what?
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175 million users, which is a lot and a big chunk of their market.
But also if I were them, I would be like, fuck it.
I'm not going to sell it.
Like why would I sell it?
Like, I don't know.
I mean, they're going to make a lot of money and people at their higher ends are going
to get a lot of money, but I don't know.
Like why would they give up?
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I mean, I don't know.
It's really honestly, anyone can tell.
I mean, at this point, it's just going to go either way, so I don't really know where
it's going to go.
But if I were them, I wouldn't do it just for like the morality of it all.
I would be like, no, I'm not going to sell it to you.
Like who tells me that you're going to do a better job?
I don't know.
And also it's not as if the owners of this app have not tried to like, you know, find
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a compromise or whatever.
They did start implementing some policies to protect US data and they're trying to
alter the same with Europe.
So there's an active, you know, willingness to make an effort to like appease things and
even then they're not happy about it.
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So I don't know.
I feel like to me it's more like an economic gain for the US and like a suprematist interest
than anything else.
So I don't know, but that's just my opinion.
I mean, everyone is of course entitled to their own, but I think it's just a bit weird
personally.
So yeah, what do I think is going to happen?
So I do think, well, I was already predicting that Trump was going to put it back on immediately
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and that already happened.
So literally in the same span that I was about to record it happened.
But I think also what also other people are speculating a bit is that Trump is going to
try and buy the app for himself, maybe not him himself, but someone else from his family
or something like that through a shell company.
I think that's going to happen.
I think Grace Randolph from Beyond the Trailer also talked about this, which we found very
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interesting, but it wouldn't be the first time that he does that.
I think he's already done it before, like buying other companies through shell companies.
So he might do that if he has the liquidity, which I don't know if he does, maybe he does.
People were saying maybe Elon Musk might buy it, but I think he does not actually have
the liquidity at the moment to buy it because of the Tesla debacle and also the ex Twitter
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thing.
So yeah, I think he himself was saying that he was actually looking to buy into buying
because buying is at the moment very cheap for him to buy.
So that tells you a lot.
I don't think he can actually afford TikTok at the moment, which is crazy.
So I actually think that Trump is actually looking into buying it himself.
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And that's why also he's like extending the timeframe, I guess, for them to sell the app
because he's trying to find a compromise himself to buy the app in some other way.
So will he be successful?
We shall see.
It's something that it's just, you know, continuous development, but yeah, crazy.
So I would keep an eye on that personally, like see what he does and like what moves
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he's going to make in this short amount of time.
We don't know how long.
I mean, I haven't checked because it's just literally just happened now, but we don't
know how long the app is going to be up again for.
But yeah.
And I guess another point I wanted to bring is that the US is not the first country to
do this.
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Like many other countries have already banned TikTok, I think, including either China itself
or I think in Singapore.
I think in Singapore, you cannot actually use the app if you're a teenager.
So that's already, or I think it's in China actually, but that already tells you like
that, you know, other people have already moved onto this.
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And I think you can definitely say that this is happening to TikTok because it is the most
popular app right now.
And I think because the type of content is like put on there is a bit uncontrolled, but
so is like the content on X, for example.
And there's a lot of like, you know, weird contents on Instagram and other pages as well.
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So I don't know.
I feel like it's a bit unfair, but I think one of the biggest moves was made by India
a long time ago, actually in 2020 when TikTok was taken off for the first time.
TikTok was already banned in India and has been banned for the past five years.
So is that the first time that this happens?
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And I think the situation there was actually very similar to what happened in the US personally.
I think there is a connection there as well.
So this technically was done according to the Prime Minister, the Indian Prime Minister
was done because of security threats and claims of espionage basically, even though, again,
I said there are no evidence, there's no evidence for this.
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So but anyways, this was the main reason it was put out in the public by the Prime Minister.
And then people were starting to put two and two together and they realized that, you know,
two weeks prior to that ban in India, there was an actual military conflict between China
and India on their border.
And that could have definitely, I would say, played a factor into that.
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And it was a sort of retaliation against TikTok and, you know, promoting more like Indian
based apps and all that stuff.
So beginning of beginning of May 2020, China and India were basically engaged in an aggressive
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Malay face off.
And the location specifically was the Sino-Indian border, of course, as I was saying.
And it also included a disputed territory called, I think, Pangong Lake or something
like that, and the Tibet Autonomous Region, of course.
So there is also the big, if you know anything about Chinese politics, Tibet is one of the
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hot, you know, hotspots, what do you call them, like hot points of conflict with India.
And it's been that for a while.
And yeah, so that was a big, a big point of contrast between the two countries.
And other clashes then happened subsequently, I think, along the line of actual control,
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which is in Ladakh, Eastern Ladakh, basically.
So there was a lot of, you know, trouble already between the two countries.
And then in late May, basically, Chinese forces objected to the Indian-Broad construction
in the Galwan River, I'm not really sure, River Valley.
And so basically, there was a huge conflict there in mid-June or something, and several
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people died, of course, Indian soldiers and Chinese soldiers.
And so, sort of like, I guess, two weeks after that, basically the...
Oh, I think it was also like, you know, shots were actually fired in September as well
of the same year.
So, you know, both sides were blaming each other for starting the conflict and all that
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stuff.
And so basically, the, what is it called, the app was banned, so it is a bit of an interesting
situation that escalated so quickly after that.
So I think they're definitely in like an interest in India keeping it out of their own country
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for political reasons and supremacy in that sense.
So that is incredible.
To say the least, to say the least.
And yeah, so I would say there is a connection there, I think.
Like, they're both framing it as, of course, as a security concern in terms of the data
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protection and all that stuff, but I think it's sort of like, it's sort of like veiling,
I guess, the real interests behind it, which are more in terms of like, you know, economic
reasons and like supremacy reasons and like technology, like national technologies, support
in that sense.
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So yeah, talk much about like, you know, cosmopolitan world and living in a globalized world where
everyone is just waging war to each other regarding, you know, apps and all that stuff.
So I don't know, it's quite interesting.
I think it's something that, you know, needs to be really looked into.
And I do understand the parents' concerns in terms of like, a lot of old people are
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like happy about this because they've never actually used the app and they think it's
like actually, you know, destroying the detention span, like, you know, shortening the detention
span of many people, young people specifically.
And it is, I think it does play a factor into that, but I also think the detention span
has been going down anyways because of other apps.
So my point is, yes, TikTok has played a part in this, but also TikTok is not the only trouble
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and the only problem on your phone right now.
There are so many other apps that also are doing the same and keep people engaged with
their algorithms and they're still up and running.
So if you have that energy towards TikTok, you should have it towards Facebook, towards
X specifically as well and Instagram and all that stuff.
So I don't really buy it.
You know what I mean?
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It's like a political move than anything else.
And I would say just, you know, TikTok as despite all the bad things that TikTok has
done, I think it also has done so many great things in terms of music, in terms of advertisement
on like short form content and a lot of people getting, you know, small businesses being
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able to, you know, find a revenue through TikTok and being, you know, finding exposure
through TikTok and a lot of creators who became famous through TikTok.
Like TikTok has given jobs to so many, so many people.
So I think it's quite unfair to shit on an app that has done so much both negatively
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and positively for many people.
Like yes, the negative impact is to be taken into account, but you should act on a way
to just, you know, make it better instead of just like you're completely banning it
without even, you know, and people may argue that this is a way of making it better, but
buying the app doesn't make it, doesn't make the app, it's not a guarantee for the app
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getting better.
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm saying.
Like Elon Musk is still owning X and things have arguably gone down.
So if someone buys an app, doesn't mean it's going to go well.
You know what I mean?
And it's not like as if it's like you have to save heaven for our data.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't know.
So I can literally ask the same question to the US.
How do you use your app, your data that you collect?
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How have you been using actually the data that you've collected the past few years,
the past many years, actually from Instagram and other apps?
So yeah, I'm shooketh personally.
So we shall see how it goes.
And I will be reporting back guys.
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Do not fret.
I talk to all my US friends.
If you need a phone to use to scroll through TikTok, if the ban goes up again, just give
me a shout.
I'm willing to rant my phone.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
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I'm kidding.
But have a great week and see you in the next episode.
Bye me.
Hello, welcome to the Overshare Pamphlet.
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My name is Rob and I'm the host of this one-man show.
Welcome back.
Welcome back TikTok.
Because, yeah, things have been moving so fast this weekend.
It's crazy.
I know I wanted to talk about TikTok in this episode, 100%, but I also was very much waiting
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to see when it was best to record.
So I pushed the recording of this episode until the very last minute, which is Sunday
evening at the moment.
And in fact, as expected, things have changed once again.
And now TikTok apparently is available to the US citizens once again.
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Like crazy, crazy stuff, crazy stuff.
But anyways, we'll get into the whole TikTok shit and again the TikTok ban of it all in
the US as usual.
But first, songs of the week.
Let me get into it.
So first off, Serotonin by Nectar is my favorite one, I think, out of this week.
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It's like very much giving like European house music a bit.
Like, yeah, it's giving house music, it's giving like Charlie XCX, like earlier stuff
by Charlie.
It's house and it's done like, well, Nectar is, I assume she's Korean.
I think I had another track by her, one of my previous playlists, which by the way you
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can find on Spotify by just searching the Overshore pamphlet, songs of the week, dash,
month and year.
So yeah, this is lit.
The song is really, really good.
I love Nectar, she has a lot of great tracks, so I actually encourage you guys to go and
listen to her.
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She has so many, so many cool, cool things.
But yeah, pretty much a slay.
Then Queen Eve, I talked to her, I talked about her before and she is an ex Luna member
for my K-pop fans who know about that group.
I don't know about her, of course know about her, but she came out of the Deluxe edition
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of her EP, which came out earlier in 2020.
Well, towards the end of 2024, I believe the EP was called I Did and now she came out with
a Deluxe version called I Did, Bloom, Deluxe.
And she put in just two extra songs, which are both incredibly good.
I cannot stress this enough.
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I'm literally so shocked about how good she is as a whole artist and the taste maker,
I guess, that she is.
She knows the vibe that she likes and what's going on there.
So yeah, pretty, pretty lit.
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But my favorite song out of the two Deluxe tracks are...
Well, the two Deluxe tracks are Bird and C.U.N.L. and C.U.N.L. is my jam.
I'm so crazy today, honestly, like the amount of information I've been reading about this
story is just insane.
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But I have to report, I have to report for my girls on your two feet, let's go.
Put our messy boots on and ready to go.
So C.U.N.L. is a power ballad, I would say, rock influenced a bit, but she still has that
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Vocaloid, I don't know if you could call it that, but a sort of filter on her voice.
I don't know if it's auto-tuned or not, like auto-tuned a bit, like stylistically auto-tuned.
But it's, I believe it's full in English as well, the track.
Some of the lyrics don't really make sense because of the way they're pronounced, I guess,
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but I am tuning in, turning it up every single time I can, basically.
So yeah, the song is actually so good.
C.U.N.L.
I think it's about a relationship that went wrong, and I think the chorus is very much
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her owning up to her own shit, and she knows she's unforgivable, and she, I guess, but
she also, I think, acknowledges in a way that their person has done something wrong as well,
is not a saint either, because she says, I'll see you in hell, you know?
Can't wait to see you in hell or something like that.
She acknowledges that she's done something wrong and that she's unforgivable, but then
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also, she says, well, you are also not a saint, and I guess if we cannot see each other now,
I'll see you in hell.
So that's actually kind of smart, honestly, like, it's very, you know, lyrics are lyrical,
you know?
So yeah.
Then, Force of Nature, another track that I really want to talk about is by Kezia.
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Don't know much about her specifically, but she had a lot of great tracks.
I started listening to her, like, literally this week, and Force of Nature is so good.
It's sort of...
It's like up tempo, I would say, but like, guitar heavy, I think, and it is...
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Like, I would still consider it chill, maybe.
I'm not sure.
It's up tempo, definitely, but I don't know if you guys know pearly drops, but that's
sort of the same vibe that it gives me, the type of music that they make.
Like, it's a bit fast paced, but it's also chill at the same time, and it's, you know,
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very soft vocals, like very much filtered vocals, like soft in the back, and it's really,
really good.
I love the guitar here, like the guitar here is just very jammy, very cool.
So she's going in the list, she's going in the list, she's going in the list.
And then...
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And then, I think I want to add this song that I...
I recently watched...
I know I'm late to the game, but I recently watched Queer by Luca Guadagnino, and the
movie itself, here are my two thoughts, because I'm not going to review the movie, because
I also fell asleep throughout it, because I actually was extremely disappointed and
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bored by the movie.
I think the first half is actually really good, but the second half is just what the
fuck is going on, and yeah, I think it was a bit of a letdown in terms of the movie itself,
the plot and all that.
But cinematography, really, really good.
Really impressed.
I think the costumes a lot, the costumes department did their thing, did their big one there.
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It's like 70s themed, I guess, the looks and everything, but I'm not sure entirely when
it's actually based in, like in what time period, but whatever.
And I've noticed that they actually...
It's actually, well, supposed to be set in Mexico, part of it, or in Latin America, but
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some of the songs are in Italian, oddly enough, and there's one song called Sui Giacchia by
Verdanam, and I just love the song.
I think it's in one of those scenes where the main character is in the bar, and he's
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sort of depressed as fuck because the young boy that he's in love with.
Yeah, also that, I am sick and tired of...
I understand that this is based on a book and everything else, but can we stop getting
representation in these terms?
I understand it's also the purpose of why the age gap was there and everything else,
but I'm so tired of it.
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He already did...
Look at what he already did with Calling by Your Name, whatever.
I think we deserve a local Guadagnino movie with two characters that are actually confirmed
to be the main love interests in the story, and they're actually gay.
I think that's the story that we, the fans, want, because Challengers was my favorite
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movie of the year last year.
But I do recognize that there was a lot of queer teasing in that sense, but nothing fully
materialized itself because there was always the love triangle, and eventually both guys
were going after Zendaya's character, but whatever, that's beyond the point.
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But I think it's time that he gives us a normal love...
It doesn't have to be normal, not in the sense of story-wise, you know what I mean?
How their relationship works and all that stuff.
But in terms of age gap, we don't want that.
I personally, I don't know, maybe some people do want to see that, but I do not want that.
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And I think Daniel Craig is the main character, like the actor is, between the main characters
is Daniel Craig, I think.
And if I'm wrong about that, sorry about that, but I'm not really good with actors' names,
but he is sort of...
He's really good in the role, but I would say, and I would agree with the general consensus
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that his performance is not up to par with the story, I guess, and you can tell that
either he didn't have the capacity to get this role right, because maybe he's not actually
queer himself, even though, I mean, we wouldn't know, but I think it's established that he's
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at least...
Well, he's been straight, or I don't know.
It's a bit of a difficult situation, but I think as far as we all know, he's openly straight.
And I think, to be quite frank, looking at the movie, watching the movie, I think it
was more like doing a caricature, like putting on a caricature, more than actually portraying
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the actual character.
And I think this type of role is a very personal role, and something that only someone who
has lived through the same experiences can actually tap into, because it's a very specific
story about a very old queer man who fears that he will never find love because of being
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queer and all that stuff.
So yeah, anyways, this is a huge tangent that I made just about this movie, but anyways,
I think the main point I want to talk about is that the song is incredible, it's really,
really good, it's a very sad song, very slow tempo acoustic guitar song, so check it out.
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Check it out.
The movie, don't check it out.
I would say, if you can avoid it, personally, I would say don't watch it.
I literally was so disappointed and so bored by the movie, so I literally fell asleep after
the second half started, because I was like, what the fuck is going on?
I don't have the brain power to keep up with this, there's no point in me watching it,
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and then if I was sleeping, I'd wake up again and I was like, oh, I'm still not done, what
the fuck, and all that.
So anyways, these are my songs of the week, and that's pretty much it on that topic.
But let's get to the real diva of the day, which is the ticker band that's already been
lifted by the way.
So let me give you a quick chronology of what roughly happened in the past, what, two days
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or something?
Well, it's been, the ultimate was already given, of course, to TikTok to be sold to
a UK, to a US company, and they had until basically Sunday in the US, like as soon as
the clock struck 12, the US government said that they were going to ban TikTok from the
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US, and they actually did ban it slightly before that, like a couple of hours or like
an hour before that, I think.
But it did go through for literally what, half a day, not even a full day, because it's
already back now.
My friends from the US already tell me that they're back on TikTok.
So that didn't last long, but also, are we surprised?
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No, we're not.
I personally wasn't surprised, honestly.
Like I knew this was going to happen.
I actually thought this was, you know, just, I don't know, something that was going to
happen eventually, like they were not going to let this go on for too long, also because
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it's like happening at the same time as Trump becoming officially president, like stepping
up as president.
And so he already said in some speeches that he would actually do his best to just extend
the time to find a deal.
So the old regime basically with Andrew Biden was still technically in power until yesterday.
Well, yeah, yesterday, I guess, for the US.
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They were going to go ahead with it.
And it was a bipartisan, actually, decision to go ahead with it.
So it was supported by the Supreme Court and all that.
So that is crazy.
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But yeah, Trump, I guess, held up his promise and he did restore it immediately.
So yeah, that's what happened.
And so we're back again with that.
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So let's just start off with, I had so many questions when I was writing these notes and
I was like, OK, this is actually good to start a conversation with this.
And yeah, so first question I had was, was this Trump's plan all along?
Like was this a political move from Trump to just get more, I guess, in the good graces
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of the young voters?
Because famously, he didn't really have much support from them.
So this definitely is crazy good, like in terms of for his own gains, I guess.
Like this is a perfect plan for him to just be seen as the saviour, I guess, for young
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people who literally fixed it in two seconds.
But I think there's also more to the story.
I personally believe we'll get into that in a few seconds.
But I literally thought of that immediately.
I was like, he's going to do it definitely, because that's a great chance for him to just
rehabilitate his image, I guess, for in between young people.
But I wouldn't be surprised if young people actually don't really care such about him
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anyways.
They're grateful, of course, that he did that.
But I don't know if they really care about him anyway.
So fuck that.
So but yeah, I go to you know, anyway, it's a good move for him.
But we still do not like Trump.
So f off.
But anyways, I think the main conversations that were like thrown out in these few days
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were what about the freedom of speech and the usage of platforms?
Is it actually, you know, is it fair for the US to do all this?
And what are what are the concerns and what are the reasons why the US has done this?
And by the way, the whole thing is not off the table.
So like it has been restored, I guess the access but just because like the Trump has
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extended time to find a deal, I guess.
So tick tock is like the US is still looking into buying tick tock, I guess.
And to me, that's the main stinker here.
Like I understand the security concerns that the US has in terms of data usage and all
that stuff.
But I also don't at the same time, but I'll get into that in a bit as well.
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But also it seems to me that it's also veiled a bit and it's like, you know, a pretext
to just gain control of this app that has significantly outperformed a lot of the main
US based apps, you know, like it seems weird that they want to buy that the entire app
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just to have control over it.
Who tells us that the US is going to use the app in a more quote unquote responsible way
compared to Singapore?
Because technically, it's not even China.
But there is a bit of a conundrum there, but we'll get to that as well.
So first question I had is, is it extortionist to buy tick tock or to impose these conditions
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in the first place?
Like who guarantees that like the data bought by the US won't be used for other unfair use
ends, you know?
Like as far as we know, there's no, first of all, no evidence, no concrete evidence
that China is like, you know, using tick tock's data for espionage purposes or just collect
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data irresponsibly and whatever to spy on people and all that.
There's no concrete basis for that.
There's no proof of that.
And if anything, and this is not my simple opinion, but it's just like many other people
who are, who have studied this whole thing for a long time and have all the information
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about it, like they're US tech experts and all that stuff.
Tick tock basically, the bottom line is that tick tock is definitely collecting a lot of
data, but it's not in any, in any, in any event, like no stretch of the imagination
is not more invasive or illegal than what other US companies are already doing.
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Like I'm talking about Google, I'm talking about Meta, like Facebook, Instagram, all
these apps are using very similar tools and like, I think they're collecting the same
exact type of data.
I'm talking about literally location, contact lists, access to photos, even keyboard usage,
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passwords, all that stuff.
Like you're doing the same exact thing and yet the US has a problem with like when tick
tock is using the same things, you know?
So it really makes you wonder like, is it really actually a security threat or is it
more like a politically motivated like suprematist, I guess, move to just, you know, try and kill
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off competition and all this stuff.
Like to me it is first of all very anti-competitive in a way, but also I just don't, don't really
think that this is in the interest of the people because if it weren't in the interest
of the people, then the US would also start looking into their own apps, which it hasn't
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happened yet and they're still doing the same thing.
But since they're US based and US owned, I guess, well US owned businesses, well then
they're not, like they're like privately owned but like based in the US, I think they are
technically responsible due to US laws, which is fair, but also no one is doing anything
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about it, you know?
So what, like what's up with that?
I think the only fair criticism that can be raised against TinkTok is just a criticism
that should be raised basically against all companies in general, all social media platforms.
Like is it fair for you guys to collect all these data?
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What are you doing with all this data?
It's a fair question to ask these things, but I think trying to buy the app is just
a bit of a sinker in my opinion.
Like it's a bit of a, I don't know, I don't really see the motive and like the motivation
behind it.
Like it's just weird.
And yeah, as you know, Lin, who is basically a long term ethical hacker, basically, I would
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say he is right.
We just need more, we should just call for more evidence based policies and that's it.
But yeah, I think going to these lines is a bit extreme and I mean, in a way, I think
it's something that was just bound to happen more so because of the political, I guess,
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troubles that I've raised and the lack of trust that now China has gained I guess over
the past few years.
But yeah, it's just crazy that it happened so fast and also in a blink of an eye and
like how many people were not happy about it, but still we went ahead without their consensus.
So there you go.
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But yeah, anyways, I think also let's talk about like TikTok getting bought, I guess,
or like trying to buy TikTok in that sense.
Is it fair also for that to happen?
Like this is an app that was technically, you know, built from the ground in Singapore.
So it's not an app that was created by the US by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yes, it was inspired by different US apps, of course.
But still, this app became famous outside of the US.
Like it wasn't the US researcher or whoever, like IT person who invented this app.
It is a Singaporean app and it did outperform all the US apps in the past few years by any
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stretch of the imagination.
It is the most used app by younger people at least.
So I find it very extortionist in a way to like do all this.
And again, especially because there's no proper evidence that Singapore, like the company
that owns TikTok is passing all this data to China.
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I think it's even more of a, you know, an extortionist move.
So how, and also I really think TikTok, like the owners of TikTok, I guess in that sense,
do not want to sell the app.
And also why should they sell the app?
Literally it's something that they created and they invested so much time and money into.
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Regardless of like how invasive the app is, it's still, the algorithm itself is something
that is like so unique to TikTok and so valuable.
Like it's, there is a secret sauce in there.
Like there is something so specific to that algorithm that just makes the app worth so
much.
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I think at the moment, TikTok is like rated as a hundred or 200 billion dollars worth.
So that is insane.
Like crazy shit.
And I think it would be crazy for them to sell the app just for, I mean, they are going
to lose if the ban goes up again.
They're going to lose probably like what?
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175 million users, which is a lot and a big chunk of their market.
But also if I were them, I would be like, fuck it.
I'm not going to sell it.
Like why would I sell it?
Like, I don't know.
I mean, they're going to make a lot of money and people at their higher ends are going
to get a lot of money, but I don't know.
Like why would they give up?
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I mean, I don't know.
It's really honestly, anyone can tell.
I mean, at this point, it's just going to go either way, so I don't really know where
it's going to go.
But if I were them, I wouldn't do it just for like the morality of it all.
I would be like, no, I'm not going to sell it to you.
Like who tells me that you're going to do a better job?
I don't know.
And also it's not as if the owners of this app have not tried to like, you know, find
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a compromise or whatever.
They did start implementing some policies to protect US data and they're trying to
alter the same with Europe.
So there's an active, you know, willingness to make an effort to like appease things and
even then they're not happy about it.
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So I don't know.
I feel like to me it's more like an economic gain for the US and like a suprematist interest
than anything else.
So I don't know, but that's just my opinion.
I mean, everyone is of course entitled to their own, but I think it's just a bit weird
personally.
So yeah, what do I think is going to happen?
So I do think, well, I was already predicting that Trump was going to put it back on immediately
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and that already happened.
So literally in the same span that I was about to record it happened.
But I think also what also other people are speculating a bit is that Trump is going to
try and buy the app for himself, maybe not him himself, but someone else from his family
or something like that through a shell company.
I think that's going to happen.
I think Grace Randolph from Beyond the Trailer also talked about this, which we found very
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interesting, but it wouldn't be the first time that he does that.
I think he's already done it before, like buying other companies through shell companies.
So he might do that if he has the liquidity, which I don't know if he does, maybe he does.
People were saying maybe Elon Musk might buy it, but I think he does not actually have
the liquidity at the moment to buy it because of the Tesla debacle and also the ex Twitter
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thing.
So yeah, I think he himself was saying that he was actually looking to buy into buying
because buying is at the moment very cheap for him to buy.
So that tells you a lot.
I don't think he can actually afford TikTok at the moment, which is crazy.
So I actually think that Trump is actually looking into buying it himself.
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And that's why also he's like extending the timeframe, I guess, for them to sell the app
because he's trying to find a compromise himself to buy the app in some other way.
So will he be successful?
We shall see.
It's something that it's just, you know, continuous development, but yeah, crazy.
So I would keep an eye on that personally, like see what he does and like what moves
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he's going to make in this short amount of time.
We don't know how long.
I mean, I haven't checked because it's just literally just happened now, but we don't
know how long the app is going to be up again for.
But yeah.
And I guess another point I wanted to bring is that the US is not the first country to
do this.
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Like many other countries have already banned TikTok, I think, including either China itself
or I think in Singapore.
I think in Singapore, you cannot actually use the app if you're a teenager.
So that's already, or I think it's in China actually, but that already tells you like
that, you know, other people have already moved onto this.
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And I think you can definitely say that this is happening to TikTok because it is the most
popular app right now.
And I think because the type of content is like put on there is a bit uncontrolled, but
so is like the content on X, for example.
And there's a lot of like, you know, weird contents on Instagram and other pages as well.
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So I don't know.
I feel like it's a bit unfair, but I think one of the biggest moves was made by India
a long time ago, actually in 2020 when TikTok was taken off for the first time.
TikTok was already banned in India and has been banned for the past five years.
So is that the first time that this happens?
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And I think the situation there was actually very similar to what happened in the US personally.
I think there is a connection there as well.
So this technically was done according to the Prime Minister, the Indian Prime Minister
was done because of security threats and claims of espionage basically, even though, again,
I said there are no evidence, there's no evidence for this.
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So but anyways, this was the main reason it was put out in the public by the Prime Minister.
And then people were starting to put two and two together and they realized that, you know,
two weeks prior to that ban in India, there was an actual military conflict between China
and India on their border.
And that could have definitely, I would say, played a factor into that.
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And it was a sort of retaliation against TikTok and, you know, promoting more like Indian
based apps and all that stuff.
So beginning of beginning of May 2020, China and India were basically engaged in an aggressive
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Malay face off.
And the location specifically was the Sino-Indian border, of course, as I was saying.
And it also included a disputed territory called, I think, Pangong Lake or something
like that, and the Tibet Autonomous Region, of course.
So there is also the big, if you know anything about Chinese politics, Tibet is one of the
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hot, you know, hotspots, what do you call them, like hot points of conflict with India.
And it's been that for a while.
And yeah, so that was a big, a big point of contrast between the two countries.
And other clashes then happened subsequently, I think, along the line of actual control,
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which is in Ladakh, Eastern Ladakh, basically.
So there was a lot of, you know, trouble already between the two countries.
And then in late May, basically, Chinese forces objected to the Indian-Broad construction
in the Galwan River, I'm not really sure, River Valley.
And so basically, there was a huge conflict there in mid-June or something, and several
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people died, of course, Indian soldiers and Chinese soldiers.
And so, sort of like, I guess, two weeks after that, basically the...
Oh, I think it was also like, you know, shots were actually fired in September as well
of the same year.
So, you know, both sides were blaming each other for starting the conflict and all that
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stuff.
And so basically, the, what is it called, the app was banned, so it is a bit of an interesting
situation that escalated so quickly after that.
So I think they're definitely in like an interest in India keeping it out of their own country
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for political reasons and supremacy in that sense.
So that is incredible.
To say the least, to say the least.
And yeah, so I would say there is a connection there, I think.
Like, they're both framing it as, of course, as a security concern in terms of the data
(32:19):
protection and all that stuff, but I think it's sort of like, it's sort of like veiling,
I guess, the real interests behind it, which are more in terms of like, you know, economic
reasons and like supremacy reasons and like technology, like national technologies, support
in that sense.
(32:39):
So yeah, talk much about like, you know, cosmopolitan world and living in a globalized world where
everyone is just waging war to each other regarding, you know, apps and all that stuff.
So I don't know, it's quite interesting.
I think it's something that, you know, needs to be really looked into.
And I do understand the parents' concerns in terms of like, a lot of old people are
(33:05):
like happy about this because they've never actually used the app and they think it's
like actually, you know, destroying the detention span, like, you know, shortening the detention
span of many people, young people specifically.
And it is, I think it does play a factor into that, but I also think the detention span
has been going down anyways because of other apps.
So my point is, yes, TikTok has played a part in this, but also TikTok is not the only trouble
(33:34):
and the only problem on your phone right now.
There are so many other apps that also are doing the same and keep people engaged with
their algorithms and they're still up and running.
So if you have that energy towards TikTok, you should have it towards Facebook, towards
X specifically as well and Instagram and all that stuff.
So I don't really buy it.
You know what I mean?
(33:55):
It's like a political move than anything else.
And I would say just, you know, TikTok as despite all the bad things that TikTok has
done, I think it also has done so many great things in terms of music, in terms of advertisement
on like short form content and a lot of people getting, you know, small businesses being
(34:15):
able to, you know, find a revenue through TikTok and being, you know, finding exposure
through TikTok and a lot of creators who became famous through TikTok.
Like TikTok has given jobs to so many, so many people.
So I think it's quite unfair to shit on an app that has done so much both negatively
(34:38):
and positively for many people.
Like yes, the negative impact is to be taken into account, but you should act on a way
to just, you know, make it better instead of just like you're completely banning it
without even, you know, and people may argue that this is a way of making it better, but
buying the app doesn't make it, doesn't make the app, it's not a guarantee for the app
(35:01):
getting better.
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm saying.
Like Elon Musk is still owning X and things have arguably gone down.
So if someone buys an app, doesn't mean it's going to go well.
You know what I mean?
And it's not like as if it's like you have to save heaven for our data.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't know.
So I can literally ask the same question to the US.
How do you use your app, your data that you collect?
(35:23):
How have you been using actually the data that you've collected the past few years,
the past many years, actually from Instagram and other apps?
So yeah, I'm shooketh personally.
So we shall see how it goes.
And I will be reporting back guys.
(35:44):
Do not fret.
I talk to all my US friends.
If you need a phone to use to scroll through TikTok, if the ban goes up again, just give
me a shout.
I'm willing to rant my phone.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
(36:04):
I'm kidding.
But have a great week and see you in the next episode.
Bye me.
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