August 10, 2025 — Dimensional Portals: Ronald Meyer and Mark Reeder - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
And now here's Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
This week on the Powercast. Our co host Tim Schwartz
is off on secret assignment. Is the off world? You'll
have to tell us next week. So we've invited paranormal
investigator Paul Dale Roberts to join us and he's going
to introduce our guests this week. Paul, welcome aboard.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, thank you very much for having me. I'm really
looking forward to this because we've got Ronald Meyer, we
got Mark Reid, and let me tell you a little
bit about Ronaldmeyer. Ronald Meyer is a season paranormal experiencer
with encounters ranging from out of body experiences, encryptid sightings

(01:13):
to non dual awakenings. He is the owner of Century Communications,
a film production company, and has produced and directed feature
films in Hollywood. Ron also facilitates flow workshops and holds
a fit degree, black belt and Aikdo. That's somebody I

(01:35):
don't want to mess with. Recently, he Becoming Evil, the
number one streaming documentary series on Amazon Prime about serial killers.
And there's a lot of things I want to ask
ron about this because I've actually done investigations of serial
killer victim sites found some interesting evidence, so we'll talk

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about that later. Additionally, he is a peer reviewed published
scientist with contributions to the fields of behavior, cybernetics, and paleontology.
He resides in Louisville, Colorado, with his wife. In September
twenty twenty three, Century Communications premiered the feature film The

(02:25):
Mysteries of Bradshaw Ranch, Aliens, Portals, and the Paranormal. There's
something else right there I'll probably want to talk about
because I've done my own investigation at Skinwalker Ranch, so
this is going to be interesting. At a conference in
Vernell to Skinwalker Ranch. During movies production, the crew encountered

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intelligent alien entities and other paranormal phenomenon. Some of Meyer's
books include The Bigfoot A Connection We visit it. There's
something else I want to talk about. I've done a
big Foot hunt over Mountchaster, but we'll talk about that later,
The High Strangeness of Bradshaw Ranch and the novels Aliens

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twenty thirty five, The End of Technology and Tricksters and Angels,
and also too. He has another book out called Jesus
Had a Near Death experience, and we have of course
Mark Reader. Mark Reader is a historian and an experienced

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educated historian and author, and he has been working with
Ronald Meyers, so we have a lot to talk about. Ronald, Mark.
Can you tell us something about Bradshaw Ranch. I mean,
when I was stationed at Fort Watchooka, Arizona. I've been
through Sedona. I've never been to Bradshaw Ranch, but I'm

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here a lot of things about it. What's going on
over there?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
This is ron speaking, And of course the books you mentioned,
Mark was my co author on all these, so he
needs that credit as well. So steach your question again.
I got distracted.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Sorry, Yeah, can you tell us about Ball Ranch as
some of the paranormal activity that's been happening over.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
There as the crow flies. It's a short distance from Sedona,
probably ten miles at most, and it's a ranch similar
to the historically like Skinwalker Ranch. There's a main building,
there's an adobe building, there's a famous triangle of all things,

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and its history goes way back to the time when
people were moving out there and settlers moving and they
created this homestead, which where the adobe building comes from.
The eventually it became a place where people shot movies
for Hollywood. You can believe that Elvis Presley was out there,

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John Wayne was out there. Many many famous Western movies
of the fifties, sixties, and seventies were filmed out there.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just a quick question, can you name any of the
movies we'd recognize?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Why? Mark, do you remember any of them? No?

Speaker 5 (05:26):
Actually I don't. I was looking for the lift as
you were talking, and I couldn't find it.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
If you look at the movie and probably in the
book it will give it to you, but we haven't.
It's been a while since we've you know, did that
movie and wrote the book. But the one with Elvis
is very well known. There's good photographic documentation of him
on the ranch. He supposedly had a pretty interesting paranormal

(05:54):
investigation in one of the outbuildings. Oh he did. That's
the story.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
We can have a whole account on show business people
with the paranormal. But Ryan, why don't you continue because
you're talking about the location. As you say, ten miles
from Sedona. Been quite a few years since I've been
up there.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
So right now it's kind of isolated. There's a gravel
road off the main road that takes about a half
hour to get to the actual ranch. At the turn
of the century, it was purchased by you and me
and the rest of our government for a presumed research
into the environmental impact on native plants, which is pretty

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weird considering most of the plants aren't so native out there,
because there was heavily ranched and replaced by plants that
would favor raising horses and stuff like that. But in
the mid nineteen nineties then to branch Out was the
last of the actual Bradshaws. It turned into a dude

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ranch for a while, sorry. And then Linda Bradshaw lived
out there and a famous paranormal investigator, Tom Donego met
her and they started having unusual experiences and they wrote
a book on it. And that was before it was
purchased by the government and it got pretty well locked up,
and for the locals it was a suspicious place to

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go to and it was at the end of the road,
so it was pretty hard to get to in a way.
And then recently people started going out there because they
read the book and the lockdown that had been imposed
by the government was relaxed. The way most people got
in was to crawl under the fence, but when we

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were there, for some reason, the normal lock gate was
not locked, so we just drove in. And that's sort
of the basic background. It's surrounded by petroglyphs by indigenous
natives seems to know it quite well, and it's spectacular.
It's beautiful, and you know, as part of the whole

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whole setup that you'd see in Sedona, the same kind
of rock pinnacles and mass and the same underground courts
situation which people talk about. The surrounding responsible for the
Voard Texas and each bill and there are out buildings,
of course, there would be quite a few of those.

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And when we were there we found the instrumentation that
was quite modern and just been left behind. Does that
for a little overview?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
It sounds like a fun place to visit. Is it
a place ron where you can actually visit or is
it something you have to make an appointment for or what?

Speaker 4 (08:52):
No, you have to know how to get there and
then be prepared to crawl under our fence if the
gate's not open.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, hopefully there aren't armed guards to show the way.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
It's never been reported there any arm guards. The people
have seen military type vehicles and there are tracks, which
suggests something that was pretty heavy was cruising around there.
It's famous for its unusual figure footprints, some of which
might be attributed to Bigfoot, others to dinosaurs. It's kind

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of unusual. We filmed some of them.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Hey, Ron, this, Paul. They say that in Sedona, and
I've been through there. I didn't do an investigation because
I wasn't a paranormal investigator at the time. I was
going to intelligence school over at Fort What choohog.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
We have Gene and Mark and Ron and Paul.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
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Speaker 4 (09:57):
Opinion. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
This is Jennifer Stein, executive producer of the Disclosure Dialogues.
You're listening to the Para Cast, the gold standard of
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
Paul Dale Roberts is our guest co host, says Tim
Schwartz is off to the Great Beyond or somewhere outside
this dimension. Ron mayor Mark Reader joining us. Paul had
the discussion and a question go.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Ahead, please oh thank you gem So. Yeah, when I
was over at four watching Arizona, I was going to
military intelligence school. In nineteen seventy nine, me and some
soldiers went over through Sedona, and we were just taking
pictures because it's just so beautiful out there. I wasn't

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doing any kind of investigation at that time, because I
wasn't a paranormal investigator at the time, but I did
hear some stories from people around there that said that
there were portals in Sidona and it's because of the
iron oxide and the quartz that's in Sidona. Would you

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agree to that run in Mark?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, there's a guy who was in our movie and
our book. His name is Ben long Tree. He's one
of these tinkerers in engineer type people, and he went
out there and measured the the vortexas they're basically electric
magnetic fields. And if you can picture in your mind

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a magnetic field, sometime maybe in one of your science classes,
somebody threw out a bunch of iron filings and you
see that there's kind of a loop. I'm a positive
to the negative side of a magnet. Have you guys
seen that?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I have not.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, you can google it. You can ask say, show
me a magnetic field and there's a loop from the positive.
You know, magnets have a north and south pole, right
the planet does, and you know the uh, the opposites
repel each other, and the the the opposite. The opposites
attract each other and the same repel each other. But anyhow,

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you'll see that these iron there's a field that goes
from one pole to the other. And this this man
been long term. He meant you mentioned, measured these things,
and he said that they're not permanent. They move around.
And one of the interesting effects is that if you're
on the downside, if the magnetic flow is going down,

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you'll feel kind of crappy. But if you're on the
upside and the magnetic field is pulling up, you'll feel great.
And we used him in our film and in our
book too to do some of our investigations, which is
very useful. So yeah, that's as a pretty and his
explanation is the same geological one you just mentioned. But

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she also thinks is probably one of the reasons why
it's attractive. It's like an antenna radio antenna broadcasting to
perhaps some form of alien craft or creatures or whatever
that might be responsible for why they show up in
that area.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, and Ron also too. You know they say that
Bradshaw Ranch from what I hear now that they say
that bigfoot's over there, and there's UFOs out there that
are cited. I have what is called the Paranormal Hotline,
and so I get phone calls from all over. They

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get my phone number to the paranormal hotline number from
my articles that I write and my books that I write.
And I received a phone call from a gentleman from
Arizona and he said he was accosted by an invisible
pork pine man. There was some type of invisible entity

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close to him that had quills. He could fill these
pointed quills and he ran like the dickens back to
his car, rolled up the windows and took got the
heck out of there. Have you heard about any cryptids
that are in Sonona or at Bradshaw Ranch?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah. Bradshaw Ranch is a famous bigfoot called big Gel Yeah,
that many people have seen and reported. And my son
in law was part of our investigative team. He saw
it and our man, our local man who was kind

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of our guy, he got a good picture of it.
One day back out.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
As a paranormal investigator, I've took a couple of investigators
with me and we went to the valley where Skinwalker ranches.
When we got over. There was a huge storm. We're
trying to set up tints. I was falling into the

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mud constantly. The only strange thing that we heard is
we heard a strange screeching sound. The rain was coming
down heavy. I worked. I'm retired from California Department Official Wildlife,
and I cannot recall ever hearing a screeching sound like that.

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It was very unnerving. Also, too, we saw something I
would consider as all lightning. It seemed like the clouds
opened up and now from the clouds came this ball
lightning and when it hit the ground, it just shattered

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into sparks. So it sounds I Gradshaw Ranches right up
there with Skinwalker Ranch with all the strange paranormal phenomenon.
Have you done any kind of investigation at Skinwalker Ranch?

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, we have. Do you know who Thomas Winterton is?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
That name sounds familiar.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Well, he's one of the main investigators, the local investigator
in the TV series series. Oh to say that name again,
Thomas Winterton?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh okay, okay, okay, because I watched Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
He's got the cowboy hat on.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Where's jeans? And you know it looks like a kind
of a cowboy kind of guy. I did a brilliant
investigation with with Eric Bard, and this is the stupidest
thing I ever did as a filmmaker. The camera I
was using, I've had it switched to a MIC in
an external mic input, and when I did the investigation,

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I didn't have the mic. I was just using the
MIC on the camera and I forgot to switch it
to the internal mic. So I lost the whole investigation.
But I got it. I got a good a good
interview with astrophysicist Taylor and anyhow Winterton ping where we
could go and do our own investigation on the edge

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of the of the ranch, and we did a couple
there got some interesting, uh kind of results. You know
what a rempot is.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah, So the first.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Time we did that, the rampart went off continuously for
two hours, which was pretty unheard of, and my son
in law again had a time slip. We asked for
the thing to show itself and some chills went up,
and we filmed it, and when we went back back
into the studio to look at the footage, he had

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no recollection of any of that part of the event,
which was pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Huh. He had a time slip.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
And outside of that, we had a there was a
remote viewer who perhaps helped set up this conversation we're having.
She she also is a person who remotes things and.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Who Tom Dongo.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
What about Did I see him?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh? Okay?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah? Tom Dongell was of the one of the original
investigators and authors of the first book on on Bradshaw Ranch.
He's an elderly gentleman now, but we interviewed him for
the movie we did in the book.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
So where were we? Oh? What do we do at
Skinwalker Ranch? So we had a remote viewer. She didn't
know where were going. We were speaking at the conference
at vernal Utah right next to Skinwalker Ranch, right and
she was introduced to us by a mutual friend. And

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so we said, we're going to take you out to
some place, and why don't you remove view and see
you can figure out where we're going to go in.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
And we'll figure out where these guys are going as
we continue with Ron and Mark and Paul and Jean.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
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Speaker 2 (20:21):
Ron I had to be rude and interrupt you because
that is my want. But tell us about the remote
viewing experiment someday maybe on the show, possibly in our
premium show. I'll tell you about the time we try
to do that, But go ahead, please.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Her task goes to it was the remote view or
somebody who was going to take her, some person, but
she didn't know where we were going. And she arrived
and she show us her drawings. It's all in the
movie and in the book, and she pretty much nailed it,

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including the fact that we had a that brought with
us a small Tesla coil, which you've had some success
with in terms of stimulating stuff paranormal things, and it
was quite impressive. So those are our two basic kinds
of things we did out there. So Mark, you want

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to talk a little bit about the native heritage.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
In that area, yeah, because it's it ties directly into
the paranormal experiences at Bradshaw. The natives that came into
that area around eight hundred years ago. They left a
legacy of of pictographs and petroglyphs. And what's interesting about

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these these images is how they present what would appear
to be even to the a layman who doesn't know
the history of American Indians, of Native Americans, that there

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are visitors coming to this area that bear the shape
of astronauts. And we talked with a Santi sous medicine
man and we had shown him these pictures and he

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discussed them at length with us, and he talked to
us about this legacy among Native Americans, not only in
this area, but across all of the United States of
visitors from other places. And he wasn't just talking about UFOs,
even though there are picturegraphs that display UFOs. He's talking

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about visitors from other dimensions as well. So when you
go down to Bradshaw Ranch and you're going through Sedona,
you're going through an area of the country that is
in some ways like Harney Peak in South Dakota, Mount
Shasta in California. These are energy areas characterized in the

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with the Bradshaw Ranch with the iron strata and the
court strata that allow for tremendous energy builds up build ups,
and what could happen, as the Santee su Man told us,
is that you can have portals that go to other dimensions.

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You have portals that allow beans to come through, and
these beans can can change your life. They can in
a sense, reorient you to be a better person. That's
one example. But with Bradshaw you see this actually happen

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in the movie because Ron films it.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
That is incredible.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, there are some cliffs there that were hard to
get to that we were taken to by our man
on the ground, and we're able to film one thing
that looks to me exactly like your classic UF all
of the fifties and sixties. It was pretty cool to film.
In our book and in the movie you can see

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all these things if you order it online, they'll even
be in color. The book is you know, the high
strangeness of Bradshaw.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Ranch, Bradshawn Ranch. Supposedly Bigfoot is seen over there. Did
you do a Bigfoot hunt?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Not in the classics sort of hunt that then when
we talk about no, we weren't hunting Bigfoot, one showed
up outside the Adobe building and my son in law
witnessed it for about two and a half minutes. The
cameraman at the time, he was actually working with a rampod,

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and he stood up and he saw it out the window,
and the cameraman was focused on him generally, and so
we just got him in this kind of trance looking
at the at the Bigfoot. He never said, oh, it
was a Bigfoot film out there, unfortunately, But of course
we had to then interview him and talk about what
he saw after the event. But and he described it

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to a t to the one that matched the Bigfoot,
that Jurgen took a shout of the big gal Bigfoot
that's in our book and in our movie.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Ron just be specific to me. We're actually seeing a
clear picture of this creature.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yes, okay, if this is our video, i'd hold it
up for you.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Well, that's okay. People will go to your site, I
hope and be able to see this or check out
the movie.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, the book you can pick up on Amazon or
Barnes and Noble. You know, it's called The High String.
It's a Bradshaw ranch. The movie itself is on YouTube Movies.
It's on to b It's on Amazon, a couple other ones.
I can't remember. Well, it's doing very well YouTube movie.

(26:36):
It's got like twelve hundred comments that kind of fascinating.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
If I can break in here real quick. When we
were talking about the Native American history, the Sonagua, who
were the original inhabitants of this area, in their pictographs,
they actually show creatures that we could say are a
bigfoot creature. And according to our sante to medicine man,

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these creatures are interdimensional, meaning that they can come through
portals from other dimensions, and this is recorded in some
of these pictographs that were laid down eight hundred years ago.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Can you say one thing about this that, in other words,
this place has not been a paranormal hotspot just for
you know, the last fifty years or sixty years. It's
been the last six hundred, eight hundred years, which is
characteristics of the you know, the major ones like like
Skinwalker around the uh, the natives cultures around there talked

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about these things. Wherever.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
When I did my bigfoot hunt at Mount Shasta, we
did a wood on wood communication, and so I took
a piece of wood a branch and hit it up
against the tree three times. And the third attempt that

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I did on this. I hit the tree three times
and I got a response. There was something behind me
behind the creek that picked up a rock three times
over and threw it into the creek. And my investigators

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were in front of me. None of them threw those
rocks into the creek. A bear can't throw a rock
into the creek. So I actually believe that I communicated
with Bigfoot when I hit the tree three times with
a branch, and then this creature, Bigfoot, I believed, threw

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a rock into the creek. Well, three rocks into the
creek to respond to my communication.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
So you did a wood knock eh, yes, yes, And
you didn't get a wood knock reply, Huh.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I didn't get it. Yeah, I didn't get a wood
knock back, but I got the rocks going into the
creek three times.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
So one of the one of the hypotheses I've heard
is that whatever that might be has the ability to
manufacture these sounds. I was with a Native American who
was able to mimic a wood knock perfectly.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
With this, we'll break it and we'll continue with ron
sounds like the song knock three times. Of course, that
may age me. You've got ron and Mark and Jeane
and Paul. You're in the parrock Cast.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
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Speaker 4 (30:09):
You're listening to para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
So let's talk about that knocking sound. But briefly, Ron,
you heard the song right Knock three times?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
I can't say I did, but you know I forget things.
I'm old.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's okay, we are all continue, please.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
So it's entirely possible, according to some people, that there's
something out there that can produce these sounds in some
way without having to to throw a rock. Let's say
a simulated wood knock. Because there was this apache Native

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American kid who could make mimic these sounds with his mouth.
Blew me away. Loss of explanation, But you indicate that
it may not be something you'd call bigfoot, could be
something else that was just present in some way we
don't quite understand.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, anything's possible. When I worked at California Department Official Wildlife,
I talked to a lot of hunters. They would hunt
at Sierra Nevada Mountains by Mount Sasta, and surprisingly, I
mean they knew that I was a paranormal investigator on
the side. They would tell me in private about their

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encounters with Bigfoot. Surprisingly, there was a lot of hunters
that actually had claimed that they saw Bigfoot. One hunter
actually said that his uncle shot at Bigfoot and it
blew up into sparks. So if that is true, Bigfoot

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probably of can change from matter to energy, energy into matter,
and most likely is an interdimensional creature going from its
reality to our reality. That's why we can't find any
bones or anything of Bigfoot. We can't find a death

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Bigfoot where it was. You know, if there's so many
Bigfoot out there, how can we can't find a carcass.
So I actually believe that Bigfoot is an interdimensional type being.
When we also too did Mount Chasta. One of my
investigators was Holly de Latter and she was the secretary

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to Sylvia Brown. And Holly herself was a psychic, and
she did something very unique over there. She goes take
a picture of me, because there's something behind me. With
my naked eye, I couldn't see nothing behind her. Took
a picture and in the picture you could see a

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flying disc that was tilted behind her. So she was
aware there was some kind of uap ufo behind her.
And we caught it on video, I mean on camera.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Cool. Did you want us to comment on that or.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
So you know, I did a whole series called Chasy Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I interviewed you know, a large number of people who
had Bigfoot encounters across the country and even in Canada.
And the conclusion I came to is that it couldnot
be some sort of missing primate other than us, or

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some hairy form of us. It had to be something different,
because they, like you said, they leave a few tracks.
There are many accounts of them just kind of coming
and going in some way that you know, normal things
could do. I have you have no stories of of

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gorillas disappearing in the the mountains of sub Sahara, Africa, right,
or orangutans in Asia, and none of these other primates
exhibit any of these characteristics. So why why should something
like a bigfoot have these things that were the same
creature in some way some biological lineage of a primate.

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So that that took me into the area looking at
the possibility. I did this movie called The Bigfoot Alien
Connection Reveal, and it has or probably forty fifty million
views right now, and it was highly transformational in terms
of people coming to the conclusion that Bigfoot is something

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paraphysical in some way.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Should be run like. To get more into this, it's
the line of demarcation because some people, a lot of
people believe that Bigfoot is like a lost species of
some kind on Earth. Lost species. But you're talking here
about a creature that winks in and wings out from
another dimension. Why should we assume that because they just disappear.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Ron, let me jump in here real quickly with a
little bit of native blow on this. The Salish Indians
were the ones who came up with the term sasquatch,
But sasquatch did among the Salish language didn't refer to
an ape like creature or any creature that ran through

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the forest or slung from tree limb to tree limb.
It actually was like a spirit, an entity that lived
in the forest. So what happened was that in the
nineteen sixties people started to think, well, what if this
is real? What if this is some sort of lost species.
And so a whole subculture grew out of this that

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had nothing to do with what sasquatch really was, and
it became a huge business. Well, it's kind of easy
to debunk sasquatch being some sort of lost hominid or
a human ancestor, because, as Paul stated earlier, you don't

(36:26):
find any remains anywhere. They seem to appear and disappear.
So once you debunk this, as Sherlock Holmes famously said,
if you get rid of the impossible, whatever is left
is probable. And so to think that it's a creature,
that the lost ape of some kind is very ridiculous.

(36:48):
But if we look at this from the paranormal point
of view, and from with that, what I'm really talking
about is the paranormal science point of view, we see
that science itself, physics is changing in the twenty first
century as we learn more. Doesn't mean that the physics
of Einstein or the physics of Newton are out the

(37:11):
window and don't apply anymore. What we're actually doing is
adding another layer to our knowledge, and part of that
layer is a paranormal idea of physics, which means that
there are interdimensions that can be reached if you have
the right frequency, for example, or the right amount of power.
And that dovetails, I'm going to make this bring this

(37:33):
back full circle, back to the Salish Engines and their
term sasquatch, which is not about a flesh and blood creature,
it is about a spirit. So that's my two cents
on it.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh Le's lefs are very good also towing the Sierra
Nevada Mountains. If I remember correctly, some of the Native
American Native America has claimed back in the olden times
that they were in they got into a war with sasquatch.

(38:11):
Have you heard anything about that.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
This is a new one for me.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I have neither heard that. Okay, you know there's the
famous Sierra Sounds from Ron Moorehead, which is people linguistics.
People say what they recorded was the kind of language.
At the time, Ron thought it was a big foot,
and now he's kind of regretting that. He did think

(38:36):
it was something trying to communicate with him, so he's
that's kind of interesting. There's there's a lot more bigfoot
associated with the volcanos in the Cascades and not so
much in the Sierras. Does that make sense to you, Yes,
they're two different mountain ranges, because I think somebody mentioned

(38:58):
that that, yes it was in the Sierras, it's actually
in the Cascades and there's famous sightings around Mount Adam
Adams for example. Well that's not so much in the
in the Sierras according to my research and understanding.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, and they also.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Underneath the gold volcanoes and stuff like that that adds
to the war.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah. Besides Sarah Nevada Mountains where there's supposedly this war
took place at the Choctaw Native Americans. They say that
in eighteen fifty five they had a conflict and they
called it the Bigfoot War.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Before we find the Bigfoot War, we'll find a break
with Paul, Mark Ron and Jean.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
You're in the Paracos.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
This is you are visiting the gold standard of paranormal
radio exactly including land.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So Paul, the Bigfoot War.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, they said that. Yeah, in eighteen fifty five there
was a conflict. They called it the Bigfoot War, and
it took place in eastern Oklahoma and it involved with
the Choctow Native Americans and they were saying that these
entities were large, hairy ape like creatures and the conflict.

(40:45):
The reason why it started is because they were saying
that Bigfoot was skilling stuff from them, and there was
disappearances of people. People were vanishing and yeah, was some
kind of crazy war of war.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
That sounds crazy.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Yeah, I gotta agree with Gina and what that that
sounds that sounds like one of those tales you tell
around campfires in order to make little children praid to
go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
At night when you have a chance. Yeah, look up
the Bigfoot War of eighteen fifty five.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Actually, I just did, and I scan through it. It's
a it's a compelling it's a compelling little monograph. But
there's there's absolutely no documentation for this. It's all oral history. Now,
I'm not saying that the Choctaw in the nineteenth century

(41:52):
were all liars. I'm not saying that. But given the
given the nature of the fact that there is or
given the fact that there is no actual documentation of this,
no burial sites, no bones recovered. Again, we're back to
this idea of the of Sasquatch Bigfoot being a spiritual

(42:14):
entity and not a flesh and blood ape that eats
babies and kills adults.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Mark, where's the Choptaw? Actually ann tribe and they got
sent in.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Yeah, they were an eastern tribe that in the eighteen
thirties were sent west on what was known as the
Trail of Tears, along with the Cherokee and several other
Shoshone other tribes from what are now known as Georgia,
South Carolina, I think the southern parts of Tennessee, Arkansas.

(42:52):
Their land was appropriated by Andrew Jackson, and these tribes
were gathered up and sent to Oklahoma Territory, which was
at that time marked Indian territory that would never ever
be taken away from the Native Americans. And of course
we know that that promise is like yeah, and I'm
from the government and I'm here to help you.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
So that's kind of like, didn't the white people see
a lot of their land?

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Oh, they stole all their land because there was gold
on it.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
And there was this recent movie about how because they
oils discovered how they were killing their some of their
people and their children so they could in marrying them
women so they could inherit them the oil rights and
all that.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Mean Oklahoma Territory was opened up. I believe in nineteen
o eight to sooners people came in. There was a
serious I'm not you cannot make this stuff up. There
was a line and a drawn and people with covered
wagons and on horseback were behind this line, and at

(44:03):
a particular time in the morning, I think it was
around eight o'clock, a guy comes out with a load
with a pistol, it's like a starting pistol, and he
goes the Oklahoma territory is now open for your white settlers.
He bangs off his gun and the next thing you know,
you have a mad dash. And this is actually recorded
with cameras at the time. You have a mad dash

(44:26):
of thousands of white settlers going into Indian territory of
Oklahoma to get land as farmers. Later on what you
were talking about round with the oil. When oil was
discovered there, the Indians were still that still had land.
There were occupying a lot of that land that had

(44:49):
oil on it. And the next thing you know, well,
oil companies wanted so they're going to do whatever they
can to get it.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
How's that for a digression.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Oh, okay, you guys did a book or a movie
or something about serial killers.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
I just did some series of on serial killers, Becoming Evil.
Serial Killers was quite successful pre COVID. It was the
number one streaming documentary series on Amazon for a summer.
I fell into the I worked for a company that

(45:32):
does entertainment, entertainment, and I did a series on serial
killers earlier than that, and that was before they were
really understood. They thought they were. They were all like
Ted Bundy, smart white, so on. And then by the
time I wanted to do the second one, or ah,

(45:55):
so do the second one, it was a better understanding
that serial killers can be of any creed, any ethnicity,
any gender, any sexual orientation. And then some are smart,
some aren't smart. And so that was basically the series
that I did and I've done. I did another, a

(46:17):
single standalone movie about almost all the bad guys of
the West would under today's classification, would be serial killers.
And I got to talk to many of the experts
in law enforcement, FBI, psychological profiling that either talked to

(46:37):
or wrote about individual serial colors. And I did another
series about the ones that were never never caught, which
are quite plentiful.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
And so I have this weird little sub expertise that's
very different than anything else I do online.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
And you know, something wrong And they say that with
serial killers here, there's always maybe about three hundred and
fifty serial killers out there on any given day. Is
it is that true?

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Run?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
I mean, like do I know that, I mean, I mean,
I mean that number varies a lot, Yeah, all over
the place. It's that would probably be on the low end.
And you're talking about the United States, of course, it's
worldwide phenomenon.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
So for an example, one of the cases that when
the Japanese went into China, they basically forced their soldiers
during World War two to become serial killers. And some
came back and they got a case for it. So
it was quite a quite a thing in Japan for

(47:47):
quite a while. Yeah, some some enforcers.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
For the mob, like the iceman.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Yeah, we're told to kill people and they got a
taste for it. Add into torture and all that. So
and they've expanded the definition of you only need to
do two with a cool enough period in between. No,
the other the other kind of phenomena is mass murders,

(48:21):
which is usually tied to some sort of revenge motive
in one form or another, which is a little different.
So that's about all I can say about it. Although
we're writing a dystopic novel, Mark and I right now, right, Mark.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Pervergence and the idea is that is that the ais
some people project as soon as twenty seven begins sort
of a conflict for supremacy and eventually based on the
concept to self and other, you know, which plays out

(49:03):
at different scales, particularly at the family and national level.
But those who are o there are not the same
as us. You can do all of them what al
like killum at Torcha, which is sort of the extreme
optimization of that phenomenon. Serial killers and an AI could
arise that way become a real problem.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Of course, when we talk about AI, I think about
Skynett in the movies The Terminator and all the sequels,
where you have this cloud based intelligence that decides it
can do better than the rest of us, and now
you wonder how badly things might be you might come
to pass. Paul Dale, Roberts, Mark Reader, Ronald Mayer, and

(49:50):
Jean Steinberg. You're in the Paracast. This is Chris Ritkoski,

(50:10):
and this is the para Cast, the gold standard of
paranormal radio. I'll let any of you guys respond to
this as we go on. Why the ultimate fascination with
serial killers? Of course we think about Jack the Ripper,
But then we have TV shows, you know, we have

(50:31):
criminal minds, we have FBI takes on serial killers, all
these shows discussing these people who, if you want to
use it judiciously, people or whatever, they are going after people,
not just one person, but many people, sometimes with a
similar mo Why the fascination.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think people are fascinated with the dark side of humanity,
and when you see some of the things that they've done,
these serial killers, you're like, in awe, It's like, what,
why would they do something like that? That's horrible? You know,

(51:15):
it's a mind blower.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
People are really fascinated with the dark side.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
So my had on that is I've done a lot
of research on who's the consumer of true crime, and
at the pinnacle of the true crime phenomena are seal killers.
Is I forget what's what's your name? That raised the question,
Oh that's Gene, Genie, Yeah, Gene. So by far it's

(51:43):
women who are driving this, and the best I can
tell is that they're the number one victim of serial
killers and they feel less secure in this world as
a result of it. In some way. I've never been
will to get a really clear idea because I've asked
a number of women. So if you look at a

(52:05):
lot of the people who've taken up when I did
the unsolved serial killer cases, the since since they don't
know who they are, the normal profilers can't profile them
because they don't know who they are. Once they're called,
you can look into their histories, et cetera. And interestingly,
the people who have taken up the cases of the

(52:28):
unsolved serial killer cases by enlarger women. And I'd also
always ask them this question, why why are you so
interested in it? Ran along some line that they're the
primary victims because serial killers go after the week. You know,
if you're a serial killer, you're not going to attack

(52:48):
a Green Bay packer line man try and kill them.
So they're not so much the fashion, the fascination with
the horribleness of that, although horrible, it's the feeling of
insecurity that I might be the next victim, the uncertainty
of the world, and this is a major uncertainty for

(53:08):
women as it plays out. I mean, statistically, overall, it's
probably not but and of course there there there are
cases of men who were homosexual praying on young men,

(53:28):
and I suppose they could feel insecure too, but they're
not a big consumer of serial killer content so much. O.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Hey, Ronald. I've done my own investigations of serial killer
murder sites, and I was on the documentary Conversations with
serial Killer about Richard critten Chase aka the Vampire Sacramental. Anyway,
the investigations that I did, and I'm going to run

(53:59):
it by you, and some of the evidence that I captured.
Gerald and Charlene Gallegos. We went to Sunrise Mall where
they actually kidnapped a young girl and told her that
she was going to become a model and they were
going to take photos of her. So they walked over

(54:21):
the well. Charlene walked her over to the van and
Gerald grabbed her and tied her up, and god knows
what they did to her. But anyway, we got an
EVP at the parking lot at Sunrise Mall was a
young girl's voice and she said no no. And then

(54:43):
another investigation we did was Maretha Puente. We went to
f Street boarding house and we captured orbs above the house.
Orbs can be almost anything. It could be a dust,
it could be dude draw obviously, it could be light refractions.
So that one was inconclusive. We did Charles Ing and

(55:07):
Lennard Lake. We went to where the cabin was. They
destroyed the cabin, but we had Holly Delatter there who
was the secretariat of Sylvia Brown, and she said, take
a picture over here, and we captured a mist out
in the middle of the woods that was almost in

(55:27):
the form of a human. So that was our evidence
that we got with that photograph. Roger Kibbi, aka the
I five Strangler, we went to I five and Centerville
where he had taken a woman over there, pulled out
a pair of scissors out of the glove department and

(55:48):
started snipping at her dress. We took a bunch of
pictures over there, and one of the investigators captured a
picture of a black orb covering over the Sacramento River,
and I kind of think that could be the spirit
form of his victim, Maria Solomon Junior aka the Handyman.

(56:13):
A bunch of orbs that could be almost anything. Richard
Tritton chasea the vampire Sacramento. The one house where he
killed the whole family. We took pictures inside the house.
No one wants to live in that house, just to
let you know, and we got all kinds of mist
in that house. I believe that the residual effects of

(56:36):
that murder replaced itself over and over and over again.
Randall Woodbuild aka the I five Killer. We didn't get
any kind of evidence. San Francisco, Zodiac. We went to
Lake Barriesa where he killed that young girl in front
of her boyfriend by stabbing her to death. We saw

(56:57):
a rock that started glowing, and I think that has
something to do with the murder. Over there. We went
to the home of Joseph James d Angelo Junior aka
the Golden State Killer, and got nothing because he didn't
murder anybody at his house. He was murdering them at

(57:18):
their house. But that I just wanted to run that
by you. And that was my investigations of serial killer
murder site. I even went to Jack the Ripper Candlelight
tur Over in London.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
So is this a series that's available to people.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It's in my articles and my books.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Oh it's not a video. No, No cool, that sounds going.
I know a lot of these cases you mentioned.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Oh yeah, like some of the serial killers that are
mentioned in your documentary. What are some of the serial
killers that our featured done there?

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Oh, all the famous ones. I probably would like to
stick more to the paranormal than talk about the serial
killers if you don't mind, Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
A question before you do. I have a quick question,
and that is here. Or are we considering serial killers
crazy people but they're still human beings? Or are they
other kinds of being?

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Do you want my head on it? I think I
think that.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
There.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Let's let's just halt their psychological makeup if you or
short for although it's not the same for everybody, that
it's on a spectrum and we all have a little
bit of it. Does that make sense to you?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Try to give me some more details.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
So right right now, I'm not into binary distinctions. I
think these phenomena that we talk about, you know, being
on the spectrum is really true, that they're all a
little bit on the spectrum, some more than others, and
that what it takes to be a serial killer, we
all have a little bit of it, some more than others.

(59:17):
The reason maybe it's been conserved is that back in
the day, when those tribal warfare and you needed to
go kill the neighboring tribal members mutilate their women, you
needed certain people that could do that. Not everybody can
do it easily, and so it's it's part of who

(59:38):
we all are in some way, just in some way,
some of us have more than the other.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
We have Ron, we have Mark, we have Paul and Jean.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
You're in the parcast.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Hello, this is John Burrows, one of the witnesses to
the rendlssome Ufo incident.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
You're listening to the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
It reminds me as a motto for an Inner Sanctum movie.
I remember from back in the nineteen forties saying and yes,
even you can commit to murder. I'm going to look
up the film.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Let's go back to your definition. They're either crazy or
something else. And basically what that does is that just
solidifies the self other idea. So I cannot possibly be
a serial killer because I'm not crazy, and so they're
other than me. And what I'm hearing when Ron's talking

(01:00:54):
about this is that not making any binary ways of description. Instead,
that we can't say to serial killers your other they're
humans like we are. And if we making these distinctions
with serial killers, and next thing you know, we're making

(01:01:14):
distinctions on race, We're making distinctions on gender, we're making
distinctions on intelligence, intelligence weight, And so now we're back
into that paradigm which we've lived in for millennia self
and other, and in the twenty first century, partly because
of the Internet, partly because we have so much information

(01:01:37):
coming at us, we actually have a chance to redefine
this and get rid of this idea of self versus
self and other and actually look at ourselves as a
human race, which opens up endless possibilities in terms of

(01:01:57):
the ability to create new technologies, for example, create new
types of relationships that are inclusive instead of exclusive.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I you know, I would echo what Mark sing. I
think that's correct. To get rid of these binary distinctions.
Everything's on a spectrum, like intelligence is on a spectrum,
but it's also in the eye of the beholder, and
it's also situational. So there's at least two other components
that are on that spectrum, the observer and the situation,

(01:02:33):
So you know, the situation nobody somebody would never be
a serial killer. Might have to do that, like when
they sent the Japanese people to the China to see
that the Chinese as the other and it's okay to
kill and rape and made them they would never do
they have done that before they left him and went

(01:02:54):
to China. So I think there are plenty of examples
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
Here's another. Here's another example of that. Pre Vietnam War.
When statistics were taken about World War Two and people
who were in the military, army, the marine, the regular soldiers,
it was discovered that one in ten and I'm not

(01:03:22):
I actually talked to a military historian about this, and
I trusted him. He's a good man. Somewhere between one
and ten, around one in ten soldiers actually fired their
weapons at the enemy. And this was also seen during
the Civil War. But from the time of the Korean

(01:03:48):
War the Vietnam War, the military changed its training and
you get to the Vietnam War and suddenly fifty percent
of the soldiers are fire their weapons with the intent
to kill the enemy. So somehow in that span of
fifteen year or twenty years from the end of nineteen

(01:04:11):
forty five to the beginning of the Vietnam War in
nineteen sixty five, or at least America is over an
involvement in it. You have a mental switch happening, and
suddenly the soldiers are looking at the Vietcong and they're
Vietnamese as others. They're not Americans. They're not human. We

(01:04:36):
can shoot them easily. Before that, soldiers had reservations about
killing another person.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
One more example, do either of you guys have kids? Question?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Are you talking to Gene?

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
I'm talking to you both of the hosts. Either of
you have kids?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Oh? Yes, I have a a son and a daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And the other guy, I am the other guy. I
come here from another planet. Do you have range world?

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I have one son.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
So let's consider this hypothetical. There are four people that
are have control of your kid and four and they're
torturing your kid and bring great pain upon them. Would
you do whatever you could to manipulate them, maybe even

(01:05:35):
to kill them, to free up your kids so they
that they would become free of this pain that maybe
even kill them, would you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Well, I'm a veteran, so I went into the army
and thinking that I was going to go to Vietnam.
I'm a Vietnam era veteran nineteen seventy three, So I
had a mindset knowing that I may go to war
and have to kill somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
So the answer is yes, you could could possibly, But
could your eyes steal and cheat and do anything you
could possibly do, maybe even have to torture the torturers
to get them free. Would you do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Anything to say my family?

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Yes, okay, so you have a little bit of that
what goes on the psychopathy of a serial killer in you?
And so do I? I mean I would do that too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Well, look up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Excuse me, excuse me, but self defense or defending a
member of your family, how would that be akin to
being a serial killer?

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Because you're using the techniques of the serial killer. You
could torture them. Let's say you had a torture one
to tell him, tell to tell you where they where
they're holding their son or daughter. You could do that.
You could kill them, move on to the next one.
If there were another one. You had to get to

(01:07:08):
do all the things that without feeling guilty or remorse.
And I'm just just suggesting to you that we all
have a little bit of psychopathy behavior. You know, maybe
in simpler circumstances where we're pinned in in a business situation,
you'd lie and cheat and tell the other person overboard

(01:07:29):
to push yourself forward or somebody else forward. I'm just
making the sense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Let me throw something out here. It reminds me of
the TV series called City on a Hill, main star
being Kevin Bacon. He plays a rogue FBI agent and
there's a scene towards the end of the first season
a spoiler where he learns that one of his criminal
informants raped his daughter and when he gets that confession,

(01:07:56):
finds out why and somehow the informative was striking looking
back at him. He takes his gun and shoots him
in the mouth and then he just walks away as
if nothing happened.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Good, So that guy is basically Kevin Bacon portrayed a
serial killer even though he was an FBI agent.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Sure, so there's a bit. I'm just that's These are
all kinds of arguments for saying this is on a spectrum.
And you know, most of you who kills most of
the time aren't killing anybody. They're probably manipulating people, but
they're not killing anybody. When they're psychopathic, you're always manipulating.

(01:08:38):
There's the way of getting around part of the part
of the syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
It reminds me of the Inner sanct and Mystery movies
again starring lun Cheney Junior from the forties. Yes, even
you can commit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Murder, but yeah, I mean if you're put into a
situation where your family he's going to die by the
hands of these unknown assailants.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Sure, you're gonna defend your family, You're gonna protect them,
You're gonna do whatever it is possible and try to
kill these these crazy guys trying to kill your family.
But a serial killer they go around, uh, wanting to
kill innocent people like the Golden State killer and Brian

(01:09:28):
Kohlberger who is going to school in criminology. He was
teaching classes and everything else and he goes and killed
four people students over in Idaho. They have a whole
complete mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Let's go into more mindsets with Paul, Ron, Mark and
Jun You're in a paracast.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
You were in the para cast when you never know
what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Next, as we completed our last segment talking about serial killers,
Ron has something to say, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Please briefly, I don't think Holberger was a serial killer.
I think he was more along the lines of a
mass murderer. But can we get off this. I think
it's not helping our What we're here to do is
to promote to some extent our books and movies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
We don't have to focus on serial killers completely.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Her tell us about Jesus had a near death experience.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Mark, you haven't talked in a while.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Well, let me give you a little bit of setup.
So Ron and I have written numerous books together. We've
been writing together, either writing novels or working with his
company Center Communications doing educational videos, documentaries, edutainment series for

(01:11:09):
about almost thirty years now. So we had just finished,
we just finished the big put revisited book and Ron
comes up to me and he says, you know, what
if Jesus had a near death experience. So we're at

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copy of one of our favorite places here in Boulder
called the Brewing Market, and we start having this discussion
about this, and the next thing you know, we've got
like about a zillion pages of notes on it. And
we just started sort of writing, not with a specific

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outline or structure in mind, just as bringing ideas in
and creating characters and scenes, and lo and behold, this
book starts to take shape with this idea that Jesus, well,
yeah I will, but with this idea. The overall idea

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was this idea that Jesus was a normal person. But
he had this incredible experience which opened him to knowledge
that is from another dimension, from a higher plane. And
there are people throughout history, Moses, Mohammad, Christ, laut Su,

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the Buddha. There are non religious people like sun Su
who wrote the Art of War, or lout Sue that
have similar experiences where they seem to download this information
that is incredible and helpful to the human race. So
any rate, how did this happen? How did Jesus Christ

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have this experience? Well? Round comes across a book talks
about the Illusinian schools in Greece, where people would go,
they would undergo privation and hardship, they would have some
kind of a perhaps a drug induced experience where they

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would literally become in contact with this other dimension. Information
would be downloaded into their brains and the next thing
you know, you've got Euclidean geometry, You've got Plato's ideas, Socrates,
all these individuals are coming up with these incredible breakthroughs

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in math, in science, in literature, in government. And so
we thought, what if that also applied to Christ, and
what if we expanded it as something that people are
looking for from two thousand years ago to the present.

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And that was the basis of the book.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
And we wanted to turn it into a thriller. Yeah,
where some people have discovered a way of inducing medically
induced near death experiences to get new powers, get new information.
And there's a competition for this technology among four camps.

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And that's sort of the basis of the of the book,
that these four competing aspects of people want to do
something with this new technology of producing medically induced near
death experiences. And it starts with death and loss is
as good thrillers do.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
And this is this is important to understand that the
Illusentian schools, they actually created a near death experience for
people to be able to connect with this other realm.
We're not positive and that's the only way you can
connect to the other realm. But for the purposes of Jesus,
had a near death experience. That's what we were looking

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that's the vehicle we use.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
By the way, there was a movie out many moons
ago called Flatliners. You guys ever see it?

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Yeah, for sure, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It was produced by Michael Douglass believe it or not,
directed by Joel Schumacher, who destroyed the Batman franchise. It
starred Keifer Sutherland, Julia Roberts, William Baldwin, Oliver Platt, and
Kevin Bacon. And of course this was it too. They
would basically give a person a shot of electricity to

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make them temporarily clinically dead, and somewhere towards the end
of the film one of the stars dies. Anyway, it
wasn't a bad film. It actually almost made a little
money at the box office. This is from nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yeah, I know that was a kind of an exploration
of what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
First, for everybody in that film became a big star.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Yes, did you ever meet Kevin Bacon?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Well, of course I've read about him. Of course we
all talk about the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
So can can I tell you sorry about that just
for a fun story.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Yes, yes, please.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
So we were at our annual neighborhood picnic out in
the r Cul de Sac, and for some reason the
six degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon came up amongst
the group. And I hadn't heard of this before, surprisingly

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being kind of an idiot, And when they were talking
about that, and I said, oh, by the way, I
know Kevin Bacon, and I've interacted with him at the
couple of movie conferences. In fact, I got a nice
a friend of mine wanted an autograph, and he gave
me one, and all of a sudden, everybody screamed two degrees,

(01:17:29):
two degrees. I wonder what the heck were they talking about?
You know, now they had two degrees of separation. They
knew somebody who knew Kevin Bacon, and I had no
idea what they were talking about. Thee like told my
wife about it, and she said, you idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Wellive in professional world tape, Tom Cruise, how does he
line up with Kevin Bacon? They were co stars and
a few good men as one example, So yeah, okay,
we'd line up. For example, another example, Matt Damon and
Ben Affleck, how did they line up with Kevin Bacon.

(01:18:10):
They are the producers of the TV series City on
a Hill that start Kevin Bacon. So I see where
this goes. I understand he actually takes it in the stride.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Yeah, I never so I didn't know anything about the
phenomena we're talking about. It seems like I'm the only
person in this modern world that didn't know that. So
everybody went away happy that they were not only two
degrees separation from Kevin Bacon, they knew somebody who knew
Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Okay. And the other one here, of course, is the
TV show of The Closer starring kar Setchwick. What's her connection?
She is married to Kevin Bacon. Yeah, I mean this
guy is everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Well, there you go, But the question remains.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
You could probably do that with most any famous person.
You could get that six degrees and link them either
to Kevin Bacon or to any other famous person, because
famous people travel in the same circles.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
And certainly anyone who does a superhero and or comic
book movie, yes, would find lots of people because lots
of a listen actors appear in those films. Right, So
somewhere in a comic con convention or in the film
they're in or its predecessor will fit in that category. Mark,

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Paul Ron and Jean more degrees coming.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
You're in the parast.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
This is Michah Hanks of the Gray Leanterport, and you're
listening to the para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
You gotta think, guys, we talked about virtually everything on
the Para Cast before Serial Killers, Bigfoot, Dimensional Portals, Kevin
Bacon and the Six Degrees. Oh well, I don't know
Kevin Bacon. I can't say I know anyone who does
know Kevin Bacon. I may be.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Proven wrong now you do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Oh yeah, No, I don't know Kevin Bacon. But I
haven't met a lot of celebrities.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Right there, one of those people, no doubt, ran across
Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Back in nineteen seventy nine. I was a dancer for
Jeff Kutasha's Dance Machine in Lake Tahoe and we were
the first number to share. So Share has a connection
with Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
Then that means I have a connection there you go, yeah, yeah,
Hey there, you have another book out called Tricksters and
Angels And what is that about?

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Do you remember? Mark?

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
I was just gonna go grab a copy of it
from my bookshelf. Basically, we were dealing with the whole
idea of Christ again and having a and this is written, gosh,
this is written at least ten years ago. And an

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individual who has a special connection to the other world,
for example, and his ability to heal people, his ability
to seemed to glide through life effortlessly. And that was

(01:22:18):
another one of those where we're having copy and the
next thing you know, we're scribbling down notes and a
book emerges from it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Our most successful book we ever did was a long
time ago. It was a political thriller and it was
the number one on Amazon for a while, beating out
all the famous authors who write, you know, thriller books.
Tom Clancy, if he was still alive at the time, Balducci,

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So that was cool. It was about the eighteen and
a half minutes that were missing on the tapes that
were erased Nixon's tapes, and it had something to do
with Tesla and the energy free energy he had discovered,
which the powers that be did wanted to reveal because
there was too much invested in their own wealth at

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the time with the relating to fossil fuels.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Oh, by the way, speaking of people I do know
or new with the Kevin Bacon connection, Tom Clancy the
late author of the Jack Ryan series, and Kevin Bacon
starred in Jack Ryan's Shadow Recruit, a film based on

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Clancy's characters.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
You're a real film buff man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Well, you know, I only knew Tom Clancy because I
was providing support for people using Apple Mac computers on
AOL back in the nineties, and I get a call
from somebody says, my name is Tom Clancy, and I
thought to myself, who the heck is? Shows you what
I knew? I didn't know who he was, so laughter,

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and I helped him with his CD raw and I
talked to him a couple of times at Macworld Expo conventions,
and I remember sitting there in a little meeting with
journalists where he goes on raving about how great he
is and when when talking about the Jack Ryan films,

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he had rather major conflicts or comments about the actors
playing them, so you know by the playing people like
Harrison Oh, he hated Harrison Ford.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
How about Alec Baldwin, Alec Baldwin.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I don't remember him saying anything notable about Alec Baldwin.
Alec Baldwin I liked in one film he did. I
know his reputation is tarnished now because of the film
Rusk and that is the shadow based on the character
from the radio shows, pulp novels and movies. I thought
it was a really really good film, kind of overdone,

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but the atmosphere and the sets were Magnificent is back
in the mid nineties, Ian McKellen, Jonathan Winters, Penelope N.
Miller and Alec Baldwin as right shadow.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Only the Shadow knows, Yeah, what evil lurks of the
hearts of men?

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Alec Baldwin. A lot of people look at his dramatic work,
but he is a fantastic comic actor. I mean he
really he can really deliver it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Of course, we remember him in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beiedle Juice.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
I said that three times, but nothing appeared.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
It's a movie that I ever game.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
So I've directed a number of you know, kind of
Hollywood stars, and one of my fantasies as a young
person was I was kind of in love with Tippy Hedron.
Do you know who she is?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I sure do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
And I got to direct her in a little horror
film I did where she played a psychiatrist. It was
really cool. We went to her place, and she has
a place where she takes care of big cats, you know, lions, tigers,
kind of a cat big cat ranch, and we had

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to move the furniture around to create in a kind
of an office setup for what she didn't have in
her house, And as the crew moved the furniture around,
she got out the vacuum cleaner and started vacuuming underneath
the furniture we moved because there was some many cat hairs.
How's that for a start? And she did really well.

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She did call in, she didn't phone in her performance.
She did marvelously and she was still beautiful to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Tippy Hedrin is ninety five and she's still around. And
of course we know the most famous relative of hers,
her daughter, Melanie Griffith.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
I did not know that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
Yeah, And so when I was at her place, she
married who's the guy that was in that series about
Miami Vice or something?

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
Don Johnson?

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Don Johnson. But there was a picture of another guy
on the wall who she married later, and I was
really befuddled, like, why isn't Don Johnson's picture? Why is
this other guy? Ts you how ignorant I am sometimes?
But I didn't ask her about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
All right, since we've done this, what are the films
you've done that we'd recognize?

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
So there there was the The one that's lasted the
longest is a Christmas Smallsie thing called Norman Rock called
Christmas Story. You can google that and it'll come up
and plays just about every Christmas season and makes me
some money and Forbes called it one of the ten

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best Christmas Stories of all time. Everything else I did
pretty much in the last century when I was younger
and more capable. So the movie that Tippy was it
was in is searching for Heisman, Searching for Heisman. Yeah,

(01:28:59):
there's some some well Erica Vari's in it. Do you
know who he is? No, he can play any kind
of bad guy in some way. He's got that luck.
He could be uh, Middle Eastern and he could be Hispanic. Uh,

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let's see, well, Tippy's in it. Those are the only
ones I remember right now. And then I did did
one Spirit Dog, which was Discovery's first feature film.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
Yep, the Legend of Spirit Dog.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Now Mark working on the set on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
We'll find out more with Ron, with Mark, with Jean,
with Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
You're in a para cast.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
This is Jacques really.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
You're listening to the podcast The gold Standard of Paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Radio, Wide ranging step discussions about the paranormal, about Hollywood,
about the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with Ron Mayer,
with Mark Reader Paul Dale Roberts our guest co host
this week. Because Tim Schwartz is a wall he has

(01:30:36):
disappeared into another dimensional portal. I'm Jeane Steinberg and you're
not anyway, we're talking about the films from Ron. Let's
get back to our paranormal universe in our waiting moments here.
Let me drop this one on you. And if you
guys do anything with regard to UFOs, you haven't seen any.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Well, you guys got a book I'd call Aliens twenty
thirty five The End of Technology. Does that have to
do with UFOs.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
It has to do with aliens that have some of
them are located in spaceships above the earth. But it's fictional.
It's not you would would not be considered, you know,
an encounter with some kind of UFO. That's what you're after.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Oh okay, Well, have you guys seen any UFOs?

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
I have not, I personally, and some of the footage
that I shot at at Bradshaw. After I looked at
the footage, I saw something that would probably pass as
the UAP, just didn't see it at the time. It
was tracking the people who were in conversation coming from

(01:31:53):
the main building. But at the time, I didn't see anything.
Might for whatever reason he was just not looking off
to the horizon. Something like that would be the closest
thing I ever had. So No, I haven't actually seen one,
ed you Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
No, but you know the movie and the book, the
movie The Bigfoot Alien Connection revealed talks about the movie
discusses UFOs as well as Bigfoot, And so the UFO
community or the UAP community is huge and getting larger,

(01:32:31):
especially since the federal government declassified some films of pilots
tracking UAPs. So I think perhaps we need to be
a little bit more determinate than have you seen a UFO?
Maybe something along the lines if a UFO landed on

(01:32:57):
the grounds of the White House. How the aliens literally
communicate with the president? And I'm not jabbing the President.
I'm just saying, there's Earth and it's social fabric and
the way we talk and communicate. How could a species

(01:33:20):
from another galaxy or another plant somewhere be able to
bridge the psychology to our planet.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
So wouldn't just be Star Trek's universal translator?

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
You know? I love it. I love Star Trek. It
gives a real positive glow about the future, and I
am an optimistic person, but realistically, how does the psychology
of a race from another planet merge with the psychology
of Earth in order for a universal translator to actually

(01:33:54):
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
It also reminds me of the translator Nanite used in
the Farscape with Ben Browder and the Claudia Black. I
think it's, by the way, a really really terrific TV series.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
They later teamed up on Stargate.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Yeah, when Richard Dean Anderson left Stargate S she won
because he wanted to spend more time with his daughter,
so he semi retired. They brought in Ben Browder and
Claudia Black because they already had credit in genre films.
They didn't play a couple in Stargate. SG won the

(01:34:33):
last two years, but they appeared and she was always terrific.
She has this amazing comic timing Qualitia Black yep, and
I really enjoyed that. But if you recall at the beginning,
Crichton is accidentally sent through a wormhole to another part

(01:34:54):
of the galaxy and he can't understand anybody, and they
give him this inoculation and said he's able to translate.
But the big thing about it is his values are
Earth values, and so even though the words are the same,
it takes a while for him to learn to communicate
with them in a reasonable way so they can kind

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of sort of focus that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Yeah, so we've got UFOs. I'm a believer that there
are UFOs. I believe that. I believe that the Earth
may have been under observation for hundreds, if not thousands
of years. Question is, how do they make sense of us?

(01:35:44):
If you were if you were an alien from another
planet and you have been looking at Earth for the
last thousand years, would you want humans exporting humanity did
the galaxy?

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I would think here you'd either stop humans from getting there,
or or you already had control. You've been here thousands
of years, you're directing humanity. And you get the people
of Earth so involved with their own crazy affairs, they

(01:36:16):
don't have time to spend a lot with space travel.
They make token efforts. I think about it here, think
about it. We land on the Moon in nineteen sixty
nine in the film two thousand and one Space Odyssey.
If we had kept up development of space travel, maybe
we would have gotten there. I thought it was a

(01:36:40):
really reasoned speculation for a film that you know, it
is fifty years old or something.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
But you remember the monolist in there. Yes, So the
idea was that you know what that is? You know
what that is. It's a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
A monol is a cell phone.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
The monolith is isn't isn't Clark's mind when he got
this is the future, what he saw as the future
would be the cell phone the monolith because we right
now I'm staring at a monolith. It's a form of
my cell phone. Looks like just the one that was
on the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Well it does. It does open up communication with everything
on this planet.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
That's right. I thought that was a brilliant metaphor.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Well, let me ask Siri here, I have serious with
me here, Hey Siri, are you a monolith?

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Here's an answer from Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Well, it's basically a cop out.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Wikipedia, you know is anti paranormal, so I wouldn't rely
on anything Wikipedia. It's curated to get rid of the paranormal. Everybody,
everybody in this field knows it. So I do not
accept any references from Wikipedia when I'm talking to my
AI assistant.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Well, the thing to bear in mind here with Wikipedia
is anyone can get on there and edit anything.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
That's true, and there are people that clean up any
paranormal references, so I'm told.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Anyhow, at one time we had a Wikipedia energy for
the parent cast. It mysteriously disappeared, and I thought to myself,
what value did it have out there? Anyway? I concluded
it didn't. I still use Wikipedia in certain fields where
I think the information has some basis, But when it

(01:38:53):
comes to the skeptical community, they use Wikipedia to their
advantage mostly.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I mean, it's not useless, but we're a lot of things.
But I wouldn't use it for anything paranormal because it
takes it off the table, doesn't leave it on there.
Because of the you know, consensus sign signs. As Mark
has has talked about, is you know a lot of
stuff that was accepted in popular culture. At least he's
going by the wayside.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Popular culture might be going by the wayside. But I
think with Wikipedia, if an Elon Musk kind of person
said here's ten million dollars, I'll take it over and
I'll control what he's supposed there, there goes Wikipedia. They'd refuse.
Ron Jean Mark Paul would re refuse.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
You're in a pair of cast.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
This is Jerome Clark author of Ufo, Encyclopedi and other books.
You're listening to the Paracast.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
So we're back for one Worse segment with Paul, Jean
Ron and Mark on the main show. Then they'll join
us for the After the Paracast podcast once again. Tim
Schwartz is in the Fifth dimension with mister and Miss Piddolic.

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
See I could say it wonderful, or maybe he's having
a near death experience and he'll come back with a
whole new idea for the parac Cast.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Or he was abducted, that'd be even better.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
On the other hand, if he's abducted, do we really
want him released?

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Of course, running for president he might be good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
That would be a change.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
So we're just we were talking a little bit about
science and Wikipedia's objection to paranormal and I just wanted
to talk about that put out there sort of as
a question with a lengthy intro. Science always moves on,

(01:41:22):
and because people run experiments and they make they postulate things,
and they run experiments and the science behind is sometimes wrong,
like we now know that there's no longer an ether,
which the physicist Albert Michaelson won a Nobel Prize for

(01:41:44):
in nineteen oh seven. We now know that Einstein's theory
of relativity takes precedence the idea of space time. So
science moves on. But there are always people who will
say no, no, no, science has to be this way,
and Albert Michaelson is one of those. He railed against Einstein.

(01:42:07):
Einstein railed against Nils bor Neil Niels Boor and quantum mechanics.
So here we are in the twenty first century with
a new type of science developing this idea of the paranormal,
and you have groups like Wikipedia who say this can't
possibly be true, But you do have other individuals, reputable scientists,

(01:42:30):
who are saying, well, maybe it is possible. The Einstein
rosenbridges actually create portals. What if you could create a
portal on Earth that would be similar to an Einstein
rosenbridge that will allow Entrey from another dimension to come in.
So slowly science marches on. You've always got detractors who

(01:42:52):
are saying for the new science, saying this can't possibly
be true. But science marches on. And I'm question is
in another fiftiest is to Ron Meyern, to everybody, My
question is, can we see a fundamental sea change in
the way science views paranormal say within the next generation.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Probably the next ten years.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
It was okay, But the AI the idea.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Of that of the portal that Mark mentioned is presumment
going to Einstein. Why his name is in it is
that as you and I and we're all sitting here,
we're bending space. Right, space is bent, you know, by
our presence. It's deformed. That's what we do is into masses,

(01:43:43):
you know, you know, suns do it in a big way, right,
And so if you could somehow grab a hold space
that way and bend it, you could grab a let's say,
something across the galaxy, bend the space bring it here.
Than having to fly here, you just bend the space
along with what'sever in it and they'd pop out here.

(01:44:06):
So that's that's one idea. It's kind of cool. Mostly
everybody thinks that we as biological entities will not be
exploring space. We will create what fun noymen called self
replicating contractors that will take get into outer space. They're
not there's no biological They just grab material and energy

(01:44:28):
from there and create more of its kind and go
go their very way exploring space. And that if we
actually had entities visiting in US, we would probably be
of that nature, not like in Star Trek where everybody's
kind of a biological human or half human like Data
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Well, remember Data was an android. And also in terms
of makeup, it's a lot cheaper to make a humanoid.
Some variation we cling on, for example, with the decision
that most intelligent species developing advanced civilizations would be some

(01:45:08):
form of humanoid. That's a creative decision, a cheap one.
Like for example with Star Trek, why have warp drive? Well,
because you don't want to spend two thirds of the
episode traveling from one planet to another. You get there
in fifteen minutes or ten minutes. You don't want to
spend money to have them land in a scoutcraft on

(01:45:32):
a planet. Therefore you use the transporter. Not that we
can't do this, and not that science is in developing ways,
but certainly the fact is they had a limited budget.
And here's a small little tidbit. The person one person
most responsible for Star Trek getting on the air was

(01:45:52):
Lucille ball I heard that, Yeah, she was had Dedilue Studios.
They commissioned the pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike
didn't make it, they did a new pilot with William
Shatner because one Hundre wasn't available. And that's history. Ron
Mayer tell our listeners if they want to know more

(01:46:15):
about the things that you do, where can they check
you out?

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Mark can? I have a Facebook page called the Bigfoot
Chronicle Trilogy. There's a listing of a lot of our
at lengths to a lot of the books and movies
that we've done. But outside of that, you know, if
you want to find our movie like the Bigfoot Connection revealed,
you just put it into Google and it'll come up

(01:46:39):
with give you a multiple alternatives. If you want our
books like Jesus Had a Near Death Experience, Bars and
Noble will have it available for you in hard copy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Mark Reader, where do we find your stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Lulu Publishing, it's an online publishing company. You can get
my books as hardcover books. If you want to use
an e reader, you can go to Amazon and my
books as ebooks there. And there are two Mark Reader
authors on Amazon, and I do the science fiction and
the other one does He's from Germany and I think

(01:47:12):
he does mostly music.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
That must be fun. Yeah, you know, imagine somebody thanks
for the other person, like Chris O'Brien, a former co
host no longer with us. Sadly, there were other people
who were writers named Christopher O'Brien. But with him, of
course we say the mysterious.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Cattle mutilation guy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:35):
Yes, yeah, did he die?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
He did, very sad accident. He did die, and he
was a good friend. Paul Dale Roberts. Where do we
find you?

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Very easy? Just google being Paul Dale Roberts. You'll see
some of my books and I have some books over Lulu.
That's a very good site. And I have a lot
of e books out now which is on the Internet archive.
And just look up Paul Dale Roberts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
And as you see, Paul served as one of our
excellent guest co hosts because Tim Swartz was a wall
or in another dimension or having your death experience or
became the seventh degree of Kevin Bacon. Hey, you can
find us on x Threads, Blue Sky, Social and Facebook.

(01:48:26):
Look for the power Cast or at the power Cast,
you take a choice. We also offer a streaming service
to Powercast Plus. At the Powercast dot Plus you get
this show without any ads, plus the exclusive bonus after
the Paracasts podcast, where our trio Paul, Mark and Ron

(01:48:48):
will return to talk about the things we didn't let
him talk about during the main show, or stuff we
just want to do anyway, because you never know what's
going to happen. Next to the Paracast dot Plus to
sign up the Paracast dot Plus. Paul Dale, Roberts, Ron Mayer,
Mark Reader, thank you all for joining us on the

(01:49:09):
para Cast.

Speaker 5 (01:49:11):
Thanks very much for having us. It was a it
was a great two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
Yeah, it was a WoT. You've covered many topics, some
of which I had no idea we're going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Very fun. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
The para Cast featuring Jeans Steinberg is a copyrighted presentation
of Making the Impossible Incorporated. Tune in next week for
a new adventure in the para Cast.

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