August 24, 2025 — Ghost & Bigfoot Hunter Michael A. Kozlowski - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're in the para cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
And now here's Jene Steinberg.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
On the agenda this week is Bigfoot? What are they?
Are they? When evidence is there? What about some theories
that bigfoots from another dimension somehow related to the UFO
and mystery? Who knows? Our guest is Michael Kozlowski. He

(00:56):
is the author of a book called Bigfoot Sightings, True
Tales from Across America, and according to his bio, he
has a whole gaggle of animals that may pitch in
with some comments. Tell us about the animals before we progress,
because we are all dog lovers here.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, you're probably gonna hear them at some point. Today
you have three of them. We have Rorshak, Linus, and
Tiabanie we call Bean for short. They're all rescues. Rorshak's
a lab shepherd maybe Clydesdale mix. He goes about one
point fifty. Linus is my I just call him sausage
half the time. He's a little round, short, stubby legged,

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lovable pup. And Bean is a rescue that we had
been told was pitt and poodle standard poodle, which is true.
But we were surprised to find out she also has
some great Pyrenees, so we'll see how big she gets.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
So does Tiabeanie leave you a little disenchanted? She does.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yep, she's my little princess. She's got me wrapped around
her paw. Didn't take but a minute. I only had
boys as a couple of sons. I have. Both my
dogs were boys as other than my fiance. She's the
only girl in the house, and she might as well
be my daughter because she's got me. I got her
pretty spoiled.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
And she's disobedient.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
She's pretty good for a puppy anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
You know, when I think about rescue dogs, I think
about the genesis of the character and the new Superman
Crypto the super Dog. Now, the original dog was a
rescue that the director and writer James Gunn had picked
up totally totally disobedient dog had destroyed his ten thousand

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dollars laptop. Remember you're a big movie producer making two
hundred and twenty five million dollar movies. You've got to
have expensive gear. Destroyed the house with nick him, and
he took those characteristics, created a cgi of it, but
made the dog white and made Crypto kind of a
mirror image of his disobedient dog.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think I read that interview as well, and I
not too many spoilers because I am a slacker and
I have not yet seen the movie so waiting to
get to the theater for it.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
There are scenes in the trade where I can tell
you about those where Crypto is nicking at Superman's feet,
but you will also learn that Superman is actually watching
Crypto taking care of him for its real owner, and
you'll learn towards the end of the film who the

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real owner is. And I'm going to tell you, Okay,
but yes, the film is worth saying. I really loved it.
I spend all twelve dollars to see it a local
multiplex because you're over sixty five and it's a midweek discount.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I had a good time, and I have comfortable seats
like I couldn't believe, as I hadn't gone to the
multiplex in years, and the seats are reclining and they're
super comfortable and you're super relaxed. The sound system and
the screen is great. I didn't go for IMAX, that's
just you know very much. The regular theater is pretty good,

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so it's worth seeing. But what will happen here is
it's now available for download and video streaming, very expensive
for the rental. So at this point I recommend you
wait till the DVDs and Blu rays come out. Then
you can rent it for a normal fee, because it's
no sense paying twice as much to rent a movie

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at home.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, for sure, I'll probably see it in the theater.
My step son works at a theater, so about once
a month or so we tell him what movie you
want to see and he gets us some cheap tickets
and discounts on popcorn and pops, and it's a good
date night out. I think the last one we saw
was Sinners.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well this one he it's in the waning days at
the multiplex, so in the next three or four weeks
it'll be gone. So if you want to see it,
see it before then or wait for the rental.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, good advice, I know I.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Charge for that. You know extra, Tim does the voice,
Tim Tim does the invoicing.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
It'll come to you in the under the banner advice
by Jean Perfect.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And then also the warning you pay in forty eight
hours or we send Luigi after you. Oh man, I'm
from Brooklyn. So I grew up with Luigi and he
said to me, promised, Jean, if you ever need to
collect a debt, I'll do it for you, no extra charge.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's good to have friends like that.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
He'll help me when he gets out.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, fair enough. I've got my my Slavic connection. You know.
When I really need to get serious, I throw on
the Adidas track suit and we're ready.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Sounds like we're ready, Bigfoot. What led you so a
gravel background to go into that? You're an engineer, you say,
what have engineering?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm an automotive engineer. It's my day job. That said,
I've always been a creative I was an art and
a fine art graphic design major in college. I kind
of fell into the engineering stuff because my brothers do it,
and if you live in Detroit, you know, you're never
too far away from the automotive industry. And it paid

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well and I got married young, so you know, kind
of stayed there and it's been you know, fairly successful
and that that career, but I never quit the creative stuff.
Started writing actually because I moved to Australia for the
for the day job for a year and I ended
up writing kind of a memoir about it, and it
was so much fun. I wanted to keep writing, but

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I wasn't moving anywhere else, so I decided to write
what I love, which has been horror since I was
a kid, and especially horror books even more than movies.
As a gen xer, you know. Stephen King of course
a huge influence. My mom got me pet Cemetery way
too early. I was probably about twelve when I read
that book, and pretty sure she just knew I liked

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scary stuff in cats, and she saw the picture on
the book and figured that was good enough. That's probably
as deep as she researched that. So that got me
on my horror line. And of course monsters and the
supernatural and mythology and all that carries over. I'm also
very curious, you know. I love the mythology stuff, the

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unsolved mysteries, the Ripley's believe it or not. That was
on when I was a kid, so you know, the
crossover probably was predetermined eventually. And I was actually pitching
a fiction bookok to Visible Inc. The publisher of both
the big Foot book and my previous book, American Ghost Stories,
with them, and he's said, yeah, fiction is not really

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our thing, but can you tell some more ghost stories
like that? And that kind of led me down the
road into that genre and then specifically into Bigfoot. We
had talked a bit about it about it I was
working on a book which I'm still working on. We
pushed it out for this one, but a more kind
of general, unexplained book right it to that later. But

(08:32):
unfortunately Jim willis my co author on this book, passed
away while he was writing it, and my publisher came
to me and asked me if I would be interested
in finishing it. He wanted to have it finished, and
Jim did. His family was hoping to have it finished,
and it was, you know, both humbling and honor to
be given that opportunity. So that's what got me into Bigfoot specifically.

(08:57):
I had been writing a little bit about it in
the other book, you know, in kind of the cryptid
section of that book, and that, Yeah, that's where I landed.
So I got Jim's notes and his draft and went to town.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Being Detroit, the home of Little Caesar's Pizza and Dominoes.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yes, yes, we have great pizza here.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I wish that Dominoes would have Detroit style pizza. Yea,
the spring pieces kind of like Sicilian from New York.
I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, not many. You know, Papa's does if you go
to the to the movie or not the movies. The
arenas around here with Little Caesars pretty much has all
their stuff in it. They have a good deep dish, yes,
big slice that they have. Yeah, Dominoes never really did Domino's.
They don't see too many of them anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
We've got more with Mike and Gene and Tim.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
You're in the Pery cast.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Repeating We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
This is the person you are listening to cast, the
gold standard of paranormal radio, exactly a mood Land.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Well.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Domino's as in Worldwide chain is huge. I like the
deep deep dish pizza from Little Caesars. Yeah, that's about
five minutes from here.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I like Jets is probably the one I get most
often anymore, the deep dish. There's a few smaller independent
places around here that do some really good detroite deep
dish with the and they do it right with the
sauce on top and all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Before we jump into Bigfoot or at Bigfoot, or before Bigfoot.
Just quickly, your day job. What kind of engineering do
you do.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm a tool and die engineer for the most part,
So it's automotive body and white kind of stuff, frameworks
and seat parts and things that you don't typically see
or notice in the vehicle. You know, it's never really
got into the class a surface stuff, which is a

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kind of an animal of its own. Right now, my
job title is a product engineer, so I work a
lot with our customers and making sure the product is
feasible that it can be made, because you'll be you'd
be amazingly surprised at how many engineers send you products
that are impossible to make with the technology we have today.

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And then just yeah, that's I guess that pretty much
sums it up.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
What sounds good to me. I remember back in the
fifties I was playing around with different cars. I didn't
drive until I was twenty one, but back in the
fifties i'd watched them and they had a car then
this must be late fifties, called the Ampha car. The
Ampha car was a boat and a car in one.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, yeah, I've seen maybe not that specific one, but
some Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think they sold about three of them than the
original Raymond Lewie design of the Studebaker Ravanti. Do you
remember that?

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Do not.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Look up Avanti A V A N Tika online. They
actually still had a company making them up until a
few years ago. The design was so futuristic it actually
exceeded that of regular cars for a long long time.
I mean there were things about it that great. It

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wasn't the greatest handling car. And eventually they put a
Chevy engine in it so it had more respectable performance
and gas economy. Those were the days. Let's get the
book Bigfoot again. So you get handed the task of
finishing a book on Bigfoot, and this is the one
Bigfoot sightings, true tales from across America. Now, did you

(13:06):
just rewrite the book or finish the book and flesh
it out or did you engage in your own investigations.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, there was a lot of my own research and investigating.
Jim had a pretty solid draft that completed. I never
got to work directly with Jim. I knew him from
his writing his previous some of his previous books. Think
I had even used him for some of my previous
research and h but what I got was a pretty

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well laid out draft, but there were, you know, a
good outline whole, some whole sections that were completed that
I could basically copy and paste, you know, with little
little change. Most of the changes in those type of
sections were just trying to uh create a voice that

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was both Jim and I. That was probably the biggest
channel of writing it to to not put too much
of my own. And I think mostly you can tell,
or you can't tell, where it's me speaking or where
it's Jim speaking, unless you know it's specifically called out,
as there are in some sections of the book. But
some some sections were just a pair a chapter title,

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you know, with nothing, nothing there yet just you know,
you knew where he was going with it. Some were
half written, some were holy written, and it was all
first draft stuff, so some of it had to be
rewritten as well and just cleaned up. But I'd say
there were there were months and months of research for
the book on my part and I'm sure months and

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months on Jim's part to get where he was at.
So I think we both had a pretty equal flesh
and blood in this one where there.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Are distinct differences in what you would have done had
you written the book from scratch, and what he.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Did there there may have been I think we both
I think they wouldn't have been very significant, though there
would be subtle differences. Jim is. I come at everything
I write as I like to say, the optimistic skeptic.
So I want to believe. But I'm also you know,
an engineer. So I love facts, and I love you know, evidence,

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and I love you know, seeing it in black and white.
So I'm much more of the John Cusack and fourteen
oh eight sort of character. Right, I'm going to go
in there and I'm gonna I'm going to try to
find the reasons that this doesn't add up, but I
also want to find the reasons that it does. So

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I'm a very open person. I never dismissed anybody's beliefs,
anybody's stories, you know, I take them at their word.
I don't necessarily accept their explanation, you know, I think
there could be something else to it. Jim, I think

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was more more open to belief. I think Jim was.
He was you know, he was a religious person. He
was an ordained pastor. He has written many many books,
you know, traveled the world, He's well read, had a
lot of experiences, and I think that led him to

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a much more openness that I'm finding as I go.
So I think the differences would be sort of in
in how we would present the evidence and maybe our
own personal opinions on it. But I don't think they're
that far apart because I said, as I said, I'm open.

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Jim certainly isn't a gullible person. You know, he's he's
not just believing anything he reads or sees, right, He's
doing the research as well. So not huge differences, but
trying to make it one voice was it was tricky,
but I think we did a good job.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Had you had the choice. Were there some cases that
maybe you would not have included had you done the scratch?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
There were very few cases, incidents, maybe even opinions that
I didn't include that I don't know if even if
Jim would have included him once you know, he got
to the final draft. But they just didn't work in

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that sort of middle ground between belief and skeptic. They
either were too and some of my things I didn't
put in because they were either too skeptical, right, and
some of Jims because maybe they were too you know,
on the belief side, uh to be a I really
wanted the book to be an investigation that it took

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with the reader. You know, I didn't want to give answers.
I'm fairly new, like I said, into the unexplained genre,
so writing these books for me is an investigation, you know.
The research is you know, a lot of this is
new to me, you know, so I'm as likely to
learn something from a reader that sends me an email

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after they read the book as they are to learn
something from me. And that's fun for me. I love it,
you know. I love engaging that way. So there wasn't
a lot I wouldn't have put in or that I
would have left out, or that I did leave out,
but there were there were a few things.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
To you, A journey of discovery exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Now, I don't know about you, but other people sometimes
get into this mess or pursuit or whatever you might
want to call it because they had experiences themselves.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
You I haven't had experiences as far as Bigfoot. I
know people who have. I have relatives who've shared stories
with me, you know, of sightings they've had that they're
you know, confident, were you know, Bigfoot or some other
unexplained creature, you know, something they couldn't couldn't put into

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a box that we have readily available. So I've had
experience with it. I hadn't prior to this book really
made any investigative efforts. I've only made some casual ones
to date, but I think I'll be doing a lot more.
Like I said, you know, these books are, as you said,

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a journey in the discovery, So you know, there were instances.
I found out that there were far more Bigfoot sightings
in Michigan than I ever would have imagined. And in
the Midwest, we've got Mike.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And Jeane and Sam.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
You're in the Beery Cast. This is Chris Ratkoski, and
this is the Para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Before we get to Tim's questions, and there's plenty of them,
did you find that any particular region seems to have
more Bigfoot sightings in other regions of the US.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, certainly the Pacific Northwest, California, Washington, Oregon. That's the
hot spot, without a doubt, probably at least twice as
many as anywhere else. The Appalachia area Kentucky, Tennessee is
a pretty hot spot as well, as I said, the Midwest, surprisingly, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois.

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I was surprised at how many sightings are there. I
utilized the Bigfoot Field Research Organization quite a bit. They
have an excellent website b f r O, and they
have a list of all the sightings and investigations that
they've done across America and how many how many of
them are in each state. I include that link in

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the book in the pendix, I'm sure, and I mentioned
a few of them in the America section. So it
was surprising. There's not a single state other than Hawaii
that hasn't had a big foot sighting. And again Northwest Pacific,
Northwest Oregon, Wish, Washington, Cali, from northern California, if you

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really want to find a big foot, that's probably the
place to go.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'm curious, Mike, you had said that you haven't had
any big Foot experiences, but I kind of get the
idea that maybe you have had some unusual things happen
in your life. Do you care to talk about them?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Sure, I've had some experiences that you could attribute to,
you know, something supernatural. I would say, more along the
lines of ghosts or spirits.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Oh, we love those, Yeah, like a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
You love my book American Ghost Stories, two trails, three
tales from all fifty states. Get that plug in there.
But yeah, I've had a few, you know. One of
the stories in that book actually is a story from
up in northern Michigan, up in the Thumb area, where
my mother was raised. I still have family there, we

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have property up there. We spent a lot of time,
and there's a ghost story there about a young girl,
you know, lost love, tragic ending that usually leads to
you know, ghost stories, and her name was Minnie Quay.
And we had some experiences, you know, wandering the graveyards,
wandering the beaches. My mom had a very personal experience

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when she was younger, so I have. I've had some. Again,
I approached them with some skepticism. You know, there may
be other explanations, but I remain open to finding some
evidence that really really convinces me of supernatural. I love

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the idea of magic and the supernatural and you know,
the weird and unexplained existing in the world, and it
makes it so interesting. So I'm always hopeful that that's there.
And I've had some experiences with you know, what you
might call karma we might call, you know, the universe,

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you know, giving you a sign, you know, which may
be coincidental, but you know, maybe it's something else.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
What made you originally? And we'll get back to the
big questions, I promise, But what made you originally write
a book about a ghost? I mean, why, why was
something like that?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
You know?

Speaker 4 (23:59):
What are your first voices of what to write about?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah? Really, like I'm saying a little bit. In the beginning,
I was pitching a ghost a novel I was working
on really based on that ghost story. I was just
talking about the Mini Quoi story and I was pitching
that to Roger at Invisible Ink when we first met,
and I told him the ghost story and then, you
know what the idea was for the novel, sort of

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a you know, historical fiction, I guess you might call it.
And he said, well, you know, it's not really fiction.
Is not really what we do. You know, I've more
more of you know, bigger research books and things like that.
He said, but I love the way you told that
ghost story. Could you come up with, you know, fifty
or so more? And I said, yeah, I think I could,

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you know, And I love telling the stories and I love,
you know, I love the fiction. I love writing the fiction.
I have some fiction work out there. I'll return to
it probably after this next Visible Ink book that I'm
working on, before I do another or unexplained genre book,
because it's it's fun. It's a little free wheeling, you know,

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you can make up whatever you want. But I'm a
kind of weird dude that likes research too, So the
unexplained stuff is fun in that manner. They're research heavy, though,
you know, And if you're going to be true to
the to the subjects and to the to the investigation,
you've got to do the research right, you know. I
think there's some books out there that people just write

(25:28):
down what they think and that's it. Uh, you know,
and and and you know there's a place for those,
I'm sure, but as far as I'm concerned, you really
need to dig into your subject and get the best
answers you can.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Oh, there's so many ghost encounters that are more weird,
I suppose than fiction. You know that they would they
would really surprise you. I think a lot of people
they think of, you know, ghost stories. You know, the

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castle with the gray lady floating down the stairs, and
you know, stuff like that. But people don't realize just
how personal and how weird some of these stories it
can be.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And the fun part about the Ghost story
Book was was you know, and the Big Foot Book,
but the Ghost story Book probably a little more because
it's more more of particular stories and instances going back
and researching or talking to the people you know who've
had the experiences, or doing my own investigations finding out

(26:40):
why the ghosts exists. You know, what, where did this
come from? What do we think is causing this apparation
to be there? You know? And yeah, the experiences that
people have can be really Like you said, truth is
stranger than fiction in a lot of cases. And that's
you know, I mean, that's where the fiction comes from, right,
is from our experienperiences and our ideas. That's where our

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mythologies come from. That's where you know, our religions come from.
You know, what do we We're trying to find the
answers and you know that's where we're led.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
One of my favorite ghost movies was Ghost well Sways
and Demmy Anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, there's a great one. I love the idea of it.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
And Whoopy Goldberg wanted an Oscar is this fake psychic
who finds out she's real and is directed and this
is a big surprise by Jerry Zucker, who is Jerry Zucker.
He's one of three gentlemen behind Airplane and the Naked
Gun series, the original ones with Leslie Nielsen. After all

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those wacky rocky movies, he comes up with this one
totally serious.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Right, yeah, And you know that's the kind of even
in fourteen oh eight, which I referenced earlier. You know,
jah Kus's character, you know, discovers that, right, it's really haunted,
you know, for his skepticism. You know, he comes across
the place that's real, you know. And I think I
think that's a good example of you know, there's maybe,

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sure there's frauds and hucksters and people that just make
stuff up for the attention or whatever, but I think,
you know, there might be maybe more of those than
there are real experiences. But in the end, I think
there's real experiences there.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
The other movie is sixth Sense, which had Bruce Willis
as the star, and he is a great actor and
you didn't see it, you know, like from die Hard
or some of those other movies where you know he
plays the action hero. Sure here he was a psychiatrist
and there is a spoiler. He's treating this boy who sees.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
At this point he can spoil it.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's been enough years, and it turns out he is
one of those dead people.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, that was That was a great twist. Maybe maybe M.
Knight Shamalain's best movie, I give. I give M. Knight
a lot of leeway. Some of the movies that people
kind of bash on I think are still pretty solid.
I'm a big fan of the Village. But the sixth
sense I think has to be is you know, his
crowning achievement and uh yeah, that twist at the end,

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and and just great, Like you said, great acting by
Bruce Willis. You really don't see it coming. I mean
when you go back and watch it the second time,
sure they're like, oh now I get it. But yeah,
I love like Bruce Willis since Moonlighting, so I'm a
big fan.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
The other film I liked of M Night shyamalan Is Signs,
of Course, was UFO. You know, we got more with Mike,
We've got more with Gene, We've got more with Tim,
who is issuing in voices as we speak.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
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Speaker 3 (30:21):
Compared to real ghosts that you've investigated, is there a
substantial way, Mike, that they differ from the typical movie
And I've mentioned several movies here which were maybe atypical.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I think if you're looking at something like the
conjuror Conjuring series things like that, a lot of those
are based on, you know, real investigations. I think in
the movies the ghosts are far more evident than they
are in real life. Usually it's more subtle, and not always.

(30:57):
I mean, you know, you see apparitions, give altered cases
of Poltergeist and things like that, where you know they're
really active spirits. But by and large, it's you know,
a shadow moving in the corner, it's a glowing light.
You can't you know, explain, it's whispers and dark I

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think I think there wouldn't be so many skeptics if
it was as obvious as it is in the movies.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, when it comes to your research into the ghost book,
did you there are a lot of these cases where
it's generational at all. I mean, it's not just one
person who sees sees things, but it's it runs in
the family, so to speak. Did you find that while

(31:48):
you were doing your research or it was most of
that just like one off types of situations.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I would say for the most part it was generational.
Not so much with a family necessarily is with a location.
You know, maybe different owners of a house experienced things.
You know, there's there's plenty of places where you can
go that you know, do do ghost tours and things
like that. You know, we have a tendency to, I think,

(32:16):
put more faith in ghosts if they're one hundred years
older than than we are. You know, you don't go
to too many places that you know, you know, my
uncle Bob died here a week ago, and now he's
haunt in the place. It's usually you know, some Confederate
soldier or you know, something along those lines. I think
we just we just accept that for some reason more willingly.

(32:39):
You know, maybe it's because of the movies and the
books and the Victorian ghosts and that, you know, like
I said, the Gray Lady coming down the castle stairs.
But yeah, definitely generational. As far as location, they tend
to stick around. I'll say they tend to be territorial.
I would think I would say one of the newer

(33:00):
we'll call it newer, but the ghosts would have been
still from old. They're a little bit older times. But
it seems like the places will not just generate the
original ghost, but if there's a ghost there or they're
a haunted place, it seems like the ghosts kind of
pile on generation to generation. So you might have a
ghost that's one hundred years old, and you have somebody

(33:23):
that you know fifty years ago or somebody twenty years ago.
I investigated Bobby Mackie's Music World in northern Kentucky, which
is a Gilles like country western bar that is considered,
you know, maybe one of the most haunted places in
the in the US, and they had, you know, there

(33:43):
were several instances of hauntings. There were several different ghosts,
and they kind of went along with the history of
the location, which you know, had served as a legend
as a slaughterhouse, but then definitely, as you know, various
nightclubs and eventually and then eventually the country Western dance

(34:09):
and music bar so and each one of those iterations
seemed to bring their own ghosts with them.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Was that the place? Was that the place where some
people were getting scratched?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah? There was, there was, Okay, the bathroom was particularly dangerous.
People go in there and run into spirits that would
physically assault them at least once or twice.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Which you know, that makes you wonder about the whole
you know, ghost scenario, because you know, you're supposedly ghost
star not able to really interact with the physical world,
Yet here are people getting scratched by these things. So
I mean, you know, you have something that's invisible and
non corporeal yet is able to sum up the energy

(34:58):
to draw blood.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Sure, yeah, and I guess that would go toward you know,
the Poltergeist sort of idea, right, that they can interact physically.
And if you go back to your movie Ghost, you
know Patrick Swayze learned how to you know, manipulate the
physical world.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, the TV series Ghosts, each one of the ghosts
has an ability that that only they can can do
you know one ghost can move things, another one can
affect electronic so on and so forth. But right, you know,

(35:38):
but that's that's television.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
The thing about ghost with me is, you know, if
you think about it, the dead far outnumber of the living,
and it's it's pretty much always been like that. Yet
sighteds of ghost most haunted activity is not that prevalent.
So you know, did it did it ever make you

(36:08):
wonder what kind of circumstances can happen that would produce
this kind of activity? I mean, if if you go
back in ancient times, their belief in ghosts, I mean,
people have always believed in ghosts, but the reasons for

(36:28):
them have changed over the centuries and are based on culture.
All right, people used to think and this is something
that is still you know, considered nowadays that you know,
if you weren't buried properly or didn't receive this you know,
specific kind of burial traditions, then you would come back

(36:49):
and haunt the place. So I mean, you know, you know,
what's what's your thinking along the lines of what what
maybe the reason and that that this kind of stuff happens.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, more often than not. In my investigations. You know,
ghosts or hauntings are the result of tragedies or very
extreme circumstances and death, you know, suicides, wrongful deaths, you know, murders,
those sort of things. Somebody with an axe to grind,

(37:26):
sort of somebody with unfinished business. Maybe a very common trope,
you know, would be the lover who's uh you know,
I was there to meet their betrothed who died on
the way to the meeting, and they you know, wander
the world, you know, searching for them, you know, can't

(37:46):
move on without them sort of thing. Or it's the revenge,
you know, coming back to right or wrong. And then
I think, uh, for me, I kind of you know,
a little bit tongue in cheek. But so places seem
to be, you know, always haunted. Every lighthouse is haunted,
Every prison is haunted, Every old tuberculosis ward is haunted.

(38:07):
Every mental institution is haunted. Most schools are haunted. You know,
it's just if there's a lighthouse that's haunted, for sure,
there's a story about it. If there's an old psychiatric ward,
it's haunted. Locally, we have Eloise Asylum here in Michigan,
only minutes from my home. I did a ghost investigation

(38:30):
there not long ago. You know, it's the mistreated patients,
right that are roaming the halls, you know, their their
anguish spirits looking for some sort of relief or redemption.
So I would say nine times out of ten it's
it's it's a tragedy that causes it. On occasion, it's

(38:52):
a ghost coming back trying to help someone that they love.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Do you think that with a lot of these cases now,
the you know, the ghosts coming back to help someone
they love. I mean, there's you're you're definitely seeing a
sign of of intelligence, consciousness, a thought process going on.

(39:19):
But a lot of these other cases, especially the ones
that you know, like in a haunted house or haunted location,
it's it's almost like you're seeing a recording playback time
and time again. You know, the stone tape theory. Uh,
do you think that you know that's what that's what happens?

(39:41):
You know either or or you know all these things
could actually be happening.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Cliffhanger alert. Mike will answer in the next segment with
Gene and Tim.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
You're in the bird gust.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
You've entered another dimension.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You've entered the paracast.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Or, and I didn't have a spoiler alert because I
didn't want to define her second guess. Mike's response to
Tim's question, go ahead, please.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
So yeah, I think all of them are like there
tends to be what we call, you know, residual hauntings,
which are sort of like we're watching a movie, something
that's such a dramatic event in time that it's left
a stamp on reality that we, you know, see on

(40:51):
occasion that breaks through. Those ghosts usually aren't you aware
that they're there. There may not even be you know,
sentient in any way, and it's just something that kind
of crosses over somehow between our reality and that other world.
And then you have the more interactive ghosts that are conscious,

(41:17):
some more so than others, I think, but I think
both can be true.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
What about living ghosts? Did you ever run into a
case like that. We've got a friend, Paul Dale Roberts,
who lives in California, has done a lot of investigations,
and he came across the case where people fresh you know,
moved into a house and kept seeing these operations in

(41:45):
the in the living room, going through what the odors
thought was a murder but it turned out that both
of these people were still alive. You know, they had
you know, long since moved on to different locations, but
it was like, you know, their emotional state had left
an imprint, you know, on the environment.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, I guess that would be similar to the residual haunting.
I did not myself come across an instance like that
yet in my research, but it's certainly interesting and I'm
making notes right now.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, okay, now, now you said that you know you've
done your own investigation on these locations. You know, you
referred to one place it was fairly close to you.
What does that involve? How do you look into one
of these locations? I mean, do you load yourself down
with you know, cameras and em meters and things that

(42:48):
go deep and you know.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I've done I've done both. So in the case of
the Bobby Mackie's investigation down in Kentucky, I just kind
of showed up and uh, you know, it was a
place that already gave ghost tours, you know, and and
told the stories and would walk you around. And you know,
I was fortunate. You tell somebody writing a book sometimes
that'll open some doors. So I was fortunate to get

(43:12):
kind of a private tour through the place where the investigator, uh,
you know, or the tour guide, I guess, however you
want to call, you know, played some of the recordings
and things that they had, you know, walked us through
the different areas. It was my fans and fans and
I and uh, and we did our investigation. But I didn't.
I had my phone, you know, recording the whole time.

(43:32):
But that was about it. And then in the case
of the asylum nearby here, we did do the whole thing.
I wanted to give it, give it my all. So
you know, we had the E MF readers, we had uh,
the infrared cameras, we had the cat balls. Uh, you know,
the whole the whole nine yards.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
That could get expensive, you know, if you load your
if you load yourself down, you know, with all of
this stuff that they have available now, I mean some
of these ghost boxes that they have, you know, some
of the premium versions or could be almost as much
as a used car.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, I'll have to sell a lot more books before
I get quite that deep.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Well, I mean, you know what you do use electronics
and other things. I mean, do you have the results
been satisfied to you or or is it still just
kind of like, yeah, I don't know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's still kind of I don't know. We in the asylum,
we didn't really catch anything on the infrared camera. I
haven't gone through every I mean it was you know,
some hours of recording and I didn't get through every
minute of audio, but you know, the good chunk of it.
And you know, we had instances where there's three of

(44:55):
us investigating and where you know, one of my friend said,
you know what, I think I heard a whisper. You know,
I thought, did you say something? You know, and I'd
go back and check, you know, the audio at that
time and see if I picked something up, which I didn't. Sorry,
my dog's coughing in the background. She's apparently doesn't like
this part of the story. And then we had one

(45:17):
instance with the cat ball, you know, where we you know,
my my fiances, uh, we'll call her a little more
attuned to the the other worldly things than I am,
so you know, she had some feelings and whatever. So
we put a cat down cap ball down in the
area and ask some questions and we did get a
you know, a light up on it. You know, where
that's not to say it wasn't a vibration. You know,

(45:40):
they could have been just you know, coincidental. You know,
again the optimistic skeptic. What else did we have? We
had We did have some microwave readings on the E
MF and really just in certain locations and we could
return to that location and not necessarily get the reading.

(46:02):
So it did seem like it was kind of off
and on. We did get you know, ask some questions
and hey, can you make this light up you know more?
And it did. So that was you know, that was
probably the most interesting of the evidence that we had.
But there was nothing you know, we didn't catch a

(46:22):
figure and infrared, we didn't catch you know, voice on audio.
So it wasn't the be all end all, but it
was very similar to you know, the kinds of things
to see on like the ghost adventure shows and stuff
like that, where it's like it could be something.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Have you ever thought of trying with with these types
of electronics, going someplace that has never had any kind
of ghost stories or hauntis or anything like that, just
to see how this stuff would react if you were
there treating it like it was haunted, Right.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, that'd be interesting sort of a baseline investigation. I
suppose if I did get some results, then somebody would
just say, well, see it was haunted and you just
didn't know it so.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Well, I mean even like your own house. But then
you know, that would creep out your that would creep
out your fiance.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Actually, she's hopeful that there's a ghost living here. She
just wanted to be a friendly old lady.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
For members of our audience who may not be familiar
with the term, what is a cat ball?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Catballs? Actually literally what is such a little toy for cats?
But when when you move it, it lights up, and it's
been some of them more sensitive than others, and it
just became one of those things that you know, could
be because they're fairly sensitive. People like to use them
for ghost investigations because it doesn't take a lot of
effort to move them and make them light up. So

(47:57):
the idea being that if the ghost can just barely
sort of uh you know, uh, interact in the physical world,
that that would be an easy way for them to do. So.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
So, now, what all these places that that you have
been to so far, were there any of them where
you came away from it afterwards and just like, wow,
I have no idea what just happened? And you know,
I mean really kind of uh maybe you know, left

(48:31):
you thinking maybe there is something to all this.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, there hasn't been the a real dramatic one. You know,
there's certainly been instances with the investigations where you've felt
something and it feels like I'm being watched, or you know,
maybe I saw a shadow move, certainly when you're walking around,

(48:56):
and almost always we do the investigations right in the dark,
and I you know, because apparently that's what we think
ghosts like the best. I kind of assume they'd be
awake during the day like the rest of us. But
you know, that's just it just makes it creepier and
scarier to do it that way. And and I think
that plays with your mind as well, right You're you're

(49:17):
you're looking for it, expecting it, hoping for it, and uh,
you know, he might play tricks on you once in
a while. But certainly there's been instances, whether it's my
mind playing tricks on me or or something more real,
where I've you know, questioned, uh, you know what that was.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I'm creepy, and tim is I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Crawley, you're creepy.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm Crawley, and Mike is Mike. You're in the Piricast.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
This is Tracy Tormet, screenwriter, producer. You're listening to para.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yes, I am not an insect. I have not gotten
into a transportation chamber and come out with a bug.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Heead you like the Vincent Price or the Jeff Goldblum
fly better?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Oh, the Vincent Price much better.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Just check it.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, the other one was creepier. Yeah, basic concept is interesting,
but then you watch Star Trek and they're transporting themselves
to other planets and the data is almost always perfect.
But I always think about something here. You are now
scrambling the molecules of a being for the transporter device,

(51:00):
and you think, well, the guy is losing hair, he's fat.
Could they remake him in the matrix? And he comes
out and he's better? All right, m you'll come out
with fidelity to the original, identical to the original. Same
thing of course with Stargate. But why can't you have fun.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Throw a layer?

Speaker 4 (51:27):
It seems to me, and in Star Trek, didn't they
do something like that to cure somebody of something.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
They manipulated the transporter in different ways. Yes, that sounds familiar.
And another problem. Back in Star Guinness, she won Tilk
is caught in the stargate and they have to do

(51:55):
some fancy shenanigans to get him to return. You see,
when you do that, what happens is I make Tim's
chair squeak.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You could be blind. I don't squeak as well. And
the no easiest chair right now.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
For some reason, my chair is pretty silence. See do
you hear that.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
No, that's a good chair.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yes it is. I get a seventy percent profit. I
charge a tariff.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Added to my invoice.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yes, but then I have to send Luigi after you.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Well, you got to send me the chair first. See
if I pay, Well, if you don't pay, you don't
get a chair. Okay, you know we can't extend credit. Well,
then then there'll be no reason for Luigi to come
after me.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Well, you know, sometimes we do extend credit. But if
you're a good guy and pay off, Luigi will bring
spaghetti and meatballs.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Oh I'm a big fan of Italian Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, I was briefly looking at something here and I'll
just mention it quickly. There used to be a chain
called Romano's Macaroni Grill in you know, a couple hundred outlets.
It's down down to maybe twenty. Most of the ones
in Arizona closed down, including our two favorite ones. They
still offer this build your own pasta which we kind

(53:26):
of help create with one of the store managers. They
never paid us. They had to nerve the close down.
Now we were left with Olive Garden. But I have
nothing to say about that, Tim.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Yeah, the Macaroni Grill was definitely not around here in Indiana.
I don't remember ever seeing it.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I don't recall that one, I am.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Must have been must have been a West of the
Mississippi thing.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
No, they had them scattered across the country.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Really, Okay, Well, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go back
to the ghost question chair before we get to the Bigfoot,
because ghosts and hauntings and you know, things like that
are have always been a big fascination with me, naturally
because I've had my my own kind of paranormal experiences.

(54:23):
But you know, in the previous segment you had said that, uh,
you know, so far with your investigations, there really hasn't
been anything that's you know, had that that really wow factor.
So you know, because of that, does that kind of
in flame, so to speak, that more skeptical side of

(54:46):
you that you know, maybe a lot of these cases
are way overblown.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Uh. Yeah, I think probably that's the that's true. But again,
I would never discount an anybody else's experiences. You know,
obviously they didn't happen to me. I can only take
them at their word. But it does make me, you know,
kind of dig a little deeper into the explanations for

(55:12):
those experiences. And and yeah, the more evidence I don't
find or I'll go into the case of Bigfoot, the
more evidence that gets, uh, you know, kind of shot down,
whether it's you know, hair samples or whatever, the more
it makes me skeptical, you know, but also the more

(55:34):
it makes me want to try to find something to
convince me. The other way.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Well, with both the ghosts and Bigfoot, other kinds of
of cryptids I made you, you're faced with really centuries
of accounts from all over the world. Uh. And and
a lot of these accounts are from people who have

(56:02):
no idea of other people's experiences. Yet there is a
very interesting commonality with all of.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
These sorry in the in the Bigfoot example in particular.
I mean, you know the books called uh, you know,
subtitled true Tales from Across America, but it's really so
so much more. I should probably title it something different.
But we really wanted to go back and research, you know,

(56:34):
the the beginnings of the legends of the stories. You know,
you have the Yarin in China, you have the Betata
in Vietnam, you have a smaller but potentially related creature
in Indonesia that or Inpendicic you have the Yawi and Australia,
you know, and and stories that go back, you know,

(56:56):
like you said, centuries, you know, into folklore and you know,
native tribal accounts and oral history that all, if aren't
very very similar, certainly overlap, so it's hard to discount them.
But you also have you know, mythologies that persisted for

(57:17):
years and years and years and years until science, you know,
figured out that it wasn't for throwing lightning bolts down
at us, you know, so you know, you have to
kind of look at both ends. But we really wanted
to go back, and I think the more you know
about the the origin of the stories and the legends
and the evidence and the sightings. You know, the more

(57:41):
you can apply that to current day investigations and sightings,
and maybe the more you have an understanding of what
that creature might be, or what it might act like,
or you know, how you might find it.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
I read just very recently, very interesting article we had.
We had just you know, briefly talked about how in
the United States Bigfoot has been seen in every state
except Hawaii. And I can understand why not Hawaii, That's
a long way to swim. But practically every country, you know,

(58:22):
at location, you know, on this planet, have their own
version of the wild man, you know, even Australia. And
I read this piece by an Australian investigator who had
been at it for a long time, and it's his
theory that in Australia you're dealing with possibly three subspecies

(58:48):
of creature. And he bases this on the footprints that
have been found. They're different shapes and sizes, but it
was his speculation and I just found this fascinating that
the Australian version of the wild man could possibly be marsupial.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Interesting. I think also the Yetti or you know, famous
from the Himalayas, maybe the maybe the really start of
the popularity of the of the Bigfoot legend in you know,
Nepleleese and Tibetan lore. They believe there's a versions of

(59:31):
the creature as well, you know, different shades of fur,
you know, and and separate, you know, smaller for you know,
this one smaller, this one's bigger, and I think it's
three or four I can't remember off the top of
my head, but very similar sort of thing. I don't
think they think it's marsipial.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
More with strange creatures like Tim and Jean. We're also
joined by Mike.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
You're in Little percost.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
O repeating we're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
You're in the para cast when you never know what's
going to happen next.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
So with Mike Koslawski, I've navigated away from ghosts into
Bigfoot and other strange creatures.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Continue please, Yeah, So the the Yeti in Himalaya Nepalese culture,
they believe there's versions of those tends to be a
belief that it's more of a mystical creature protector of nature,
which applies also to like Native American folklore creatures that
you know, we might consider are related to Yeti or Bigfoot,

(01:00:43):
which you know also leads to, you know, the various
questions of what is Bigfoot? Is it an organic creature?
Is it a mystical being? Is it the Missing Link?
Is it alien somehow related to aliens? Is it a
dimensional traveler? A lot of theories. I tend to lean
toward it's an organic being.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
My two cents with the Yedi, they view it as
not something that you want to seek out or run across.
I mean, it kind of sets on that edge of
real and spiritual and that it could be not only
a harborager of bad luck, but just bad luck for

(01:01:26):
you if you happen to run across storm and a
snowy path.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
You know. Some of the first experiences for Westerners coming
across the story of the Eddi was, of course, when
they were exploring Everest and the Himalayas and looking for
you know, passes and routes to the top and would
come across a footprint they couldn't identify, and the local
sherpas who were helping to guide them, you know, would

(01:01:52):
typically see, let's just not worry about that. Lets let's
just keep moving and we don't want to go in
that direction. That's the YETI and you just leave that alone.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Well, their belief system is very much like here in
the United States, the Native Americans view of the skin Walker.
You know, you don't talk about it. You don't even
mention the name me just mentioning in the name is
you know, is bad. You don't talk about the Yeddi.
You don't mention its name because that could almost make
it then aware of you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and some people believe, you know, the skin walker,
you know, is a sort of a bigfoot creature, that
they may be related somehow, or that they may be
you know, kind of from the same I guess base story, right.
You just see something in the wild, something you can't explain,
and you know, one person might explain it as an
ape or a new ape like being, and some may

(01:02:47):
give it a more mystical magical properties. So, yeah, the
Skinwalker very much like the Eddy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Because of what Tim said, I need to ask you, Tim,
is your microphone melting yet?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
No? Not yet, but my office door is slowly bending inward.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Don't say the W word, are you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
That's all right? If you've ever seen the movie The
Haunting by Robert Wise. You'll know what I'm referring to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Robert Wise is such an interesting directory. You mentioned that
sound of Music, West Side Story, The Day the Earth
Stood Still, Star Trek the Motion Picture. He has also
seen UFOs.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
What a guy, great director, and I don't care what
people say. I love Star Trek the Motion Picture.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Brada Kahn is my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Oh that's a good one too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
My response to yours is calm. I wonder how long
Shatner had to rehearse that. That is an interesting thing. Also,
when they did that film, the two stars of the movie,
Ricardo Montalbaan and William Shatner were never physically in the

(01:04:07):
same studio.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Never realized that all done in editing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
That's right. They weren't in the same place either in
the movie. No, remember, Connor is in his spaceship or
on the planet, and Kirk's on in the enterprise and
traveling elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Oh well, there's a lot of movies like that where
you know, the two main stars never have any actual
scenes together, and they ask him afterwards, well, well, how
was it playing, you know with you know such and
such like? I never saw him, right, we did the
entire movie and never met.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Of course, nowadays you could be dead and appear in
a movie. Terry Fisher died and she was in what
two or three more Star Wars movies.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Yeah, Peter Cushy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Yeah, Peter Cushion, he was in a couple.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Well, you look at some of these short AI films
are videos that are being done now. You see about
TikTok and Instagram, and with the exception of the kind
of weird motion that they have, it's very uncanny on
how realistic they are. It's not going to be very
much longer before they'll be able to do entire movies

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using just AI, and you won't be able to tell
the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yeah, look at the CGI of Crypto in Superman. Tell
me that's a real dog, right, It looks like a
real dog, acts like a real dog.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
No, yeah, somewhat. I mean the you know, the the
pieces that I've seen and I can tell it CGI.
But you know, then again, well my dog is cg before.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, yeah, just wait until Crypto nicks at your feet. No,
I think I didn't know specifically for all CGI aspects,
but I just thought in gen what was very well done.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yeah, they when they take the time and don't rush.
You know, the computer programmers who are putting this stuff together.
The results are great, but you know, there are a
lot of there are a lot of movies that are
coming out now with CGI is terrible compared to you know, ten,

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maybe even fifteen years ago. You know, they were it
was better CGI then than a lot of the movies
coming out now have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
One of the earliest CGI films was a sci fi
film called The Last Starfighter No Models. It was all
very primitive from the nineteen eighties CGI, and I thought
the effects were pretty decent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
That was a good movie. One I'll usually keep on
when I'm flipping through the channels if I come across it.
It's been a little while since I've seen it. As
an arcade game, right that he was playing and it
was the test to become the Starfighter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I think it was the last ante Robert Preston.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Did George Carlin in that, right, No, this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Was Robert Preston and Last Starfighter. Also, the main stars
were Land's Guest and Catherine Mary Stewart, both of whom
were still around talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
The film, which is interesting maybe thinking of a different one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Dan O'Hurley, he played one of the aliens, and Robert
Preston comes to Earth because he left this pinball machine game,
and because Alex Rogan gets the score and wins a
particular position as a winner, attracts Robert Preston to recruit him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
That's right, Humo, I was thinking it's Robert Preston, the
same movie I'm thinking of just I don't know liow
George Carlin jumped in my head. I must have been
Bill and Ted's excellent Adventures.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Now looking at here, it almost turned out as a movie,
which means it almost made enough money. It also, says here,
one of the cinema's earliest films to use extensive real
life computer generated imagerie to depict as many starships, environments

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and battle seams.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Too bad, it's a good ratio.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
I wish it were more easily obtainable. I mean you
have to rent it, which I think for a movie
that old, you want to just put it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, you think it'd be freezing somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I just said that. The stars, you know, lancecast Catherine
Mary Stewart never had anything else quite as big as
his film for them, but it really worked. Well, I'm
looking at it right now you have to rent it
failble from YouTube, Google Play, Apple, Fandango, Amazon Prime and

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other places. And it's rotten. Tomatoes is seventy six, which
ain't bad. Meta critic of sixty seven, which is pretty decent.
As I said, I really like the film, so I
don't know too bad. It might be fun to reboot
the film.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
That'd be interesting. Who would you have?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
We got a break now more with Mike Jean, Tim
you're in thest opeting.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
This is me, the person you are listening to cast
the gold standard of paranormal radio exactly a land.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
From the Last Starfighter. We progress to Bigfoot a size eighteen, right, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, this varies, I think, but at least at thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, but I wear thirteen. I'm that bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's impressive. Yeah, I would say typically they're sixteen to
eighteen inches. Seems to be kind of the range of
the footprints.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Where did the name Bigfoot come from originally? I mean,
you know, you have other countries that have you know,
like Yetie and the Urian and you know, things like that,
we have Bigfoot where exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
So nineteen fifty eight, I believe don't quote me. Check
the book when one of the first big stories about Bigfoot.
So originally it had the Ape Canyon story in the
nineteen twenties that kind of opened the door for Bigfoot.
And then in the nineteen fifties there was a writer
in California, Andrew Gonzoli, who had received a letter from

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a reader about a story of some miners that ran
into these creatures and a whole infamous you know case
with it, and it was loggers, I believe, not miners. Sorry. Anyway,
he kind of took the story and ran with it,
sort of as a fluff piece to make a word

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count for his Sunday edition. And I love that that
a writer was trying to make a word count, and
that's where it came from. But one of the loggers
had had used the name bigfoot, and he put that
into his story and it just caught on became the
infamous moniker that we have now, which brings me to
the question of what do you call a group of

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these creatures? Are they big feet? Are they big foots?
Are they something else? Hmmm?

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
I thought about that, what's the plural?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I big foot as a plural in the same way
as deer as a plural of deer as opposed to
bear and bears, for instance, because big foots doesn't sound right,
and big feet's kind of weird, although I kind of
like to say little big feets. They're little big foots
running around the smaller ones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Big smelly feet. Shouldn't you give a big foot of
foot powder or something?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Denniston? What was that, spray man? I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I'm not like gold bond or something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Old bond, Yeah, that would work, athletes foot powder?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Okay, gold bond is now has to pay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And if they don't, Luigi will come.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
To No, his brother.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
We're giving lots of work on this episode, all right.
I have read articles from you know that that were
written in the fifties that there was still speculation on
just what exactly type of creature a bigfoot was, because
at that point, I mean, there had you know, there

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had been some stories of people seeing, you know, the
entire thing, but it was still kind of up in
the air that it would be. I mean, the assumption
was that it was some kind of humanoid type of
creature just based on the footprints. But other than that,
it was just like, we have no idea you know,

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it could just be giant feet walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Yeah. Really until Patterson Gimblin film, I think, you know,
it was just kind of speculation that it was a
big hairy beast.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
I'm trying to think had there been any other photographs
before Patterson Gibler. I mean there probably was, but had
there been any that had actually got out and circulated?
Do you do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Off him? I don't think there was much, if any
prior to that. It was more eyewitness accounts, you know,
saw a big hairy beast that you know, looked like
a man covered in fur, or like a very upright
standing ape. But yeah, I don't think much by way

(01:14:32):
of photography until the Patterson Giblin film and then the
famous I think it's frame three forty two. I think
it is. That's you know, the Patty as what it's
commonly known as, which is that infamous mid stride figure

(01:14:52):
that we see, you know, advertised everywhere now has been
Bigfoot Lower.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
What do you think of that film?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Interesting?

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
I I think it's uh, it's it's stood the test
of time at least as far as not being you know,
positively disproven or proven, so it still remains probably the
most intriguing footage that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I think a lot of the information, particularly that I
found researching that led up to the film, cast some
doubt for me. The fact that, you know, although it
was an area that he went to film because you know,
they had found footprints and there was big foot sightings there,

(01:15:44):
he went filming kind of a mockumentary sort of thing, right,
so he was the premise of the film originally was that,
you know, they were out in search a big foot there,
you know, had these Indian guides weren't really indians. You know,
this guy's dressed up and uh, you know, they're they're
going here to find bigfoot. So you would imagine that

(01:16:05):
the climax of such a film would be finding a
big foot. And then you there's stories of you know,
somebody that sold him a suit. Whether that's true or not,
you know, but just the fact that he was going
to film a bigfoot film and then happened to run
into bigfoot, you know, is convenient. So, uh, that makes

(01:16:29):
it questionable in my eyes, right, But maybe it was
just it was just you know, a coincidence. It was
an area that supposedly had bigfoot you know activity, so
it could be plausible, could be real. We haven't been
able to disprove it so well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
There are stories here that somebody was wearing a costume.
And I know that The Skeptical Inquirer did a report
back in the summer of two thousand and four. I
believe the article exposing Roger Patterson's nineteen sixty seven Bigfoot
film Hoax and New Revelations shed light on a world famous,

(01:17:15):
much debated film supposedly showing a Bigfoot creature. Now the
writers are the usual offenders, cal Khorf and Mitchellia, Michelle,
Mike la whatever Michelle or Mike Kala Kosis, and they're
gonna assume me from mispronouncing the name. But they at

(01:17:35):
least should have some kind of definition for it. But
this guy named Horonymous supposedly wore the costume, but that's
been disputed, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
There's nothing really nothing say, you know, the evidence against
and the evidence four is sort of, you know, kind
of equal in its veracity. There's you know, experts that
claim that they, you know, with enhanced video footage now

(01:18:07):
they can see muscle movement and things like that, so
it couldn't possibly be a sued. There's others that say,
you know, well, the film's purposely blurry to hide you know,
zippers and things like that. Again, there's somebody that you know,
suggests that says they've sold the Bigfoot costume to Patterson,

(01:18:28):
you know, very specialized costume. And Patterson was always kind
of a lifelong searcher of fame, so you know, to again,
some of the things leading up to the film just

(01:18:49):
cast some doubt. I think there's maybe more credible witnesses
than Patterson, even though his film is certainly the most famous.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
We had a guest on the show. It's been I
don't know, late late last year, I think, and and
this guy wrote wrote a book on this film. But
he was actually a special effects artist in Hollywood and

(01:19:23):
worked at He helped work on the original Planet of
the Apes movie, and his specialty was, later on in life,
was making statues. I suppose would be the word possibly

(01:19:46):
that used for museums.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
We have Tim, we have Gene, we have Mike. More
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Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
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Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Tim, before we continue, is this something where it's claimed
they use motion capture.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
No no, no, no, you remember this guy. You may
not remember him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Yeah, well I think it like a Ray Harryhausen thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
No no, no, no no. He was basically going with
the based on what was available at the time that
the Patterson Gimbler film was done, that it would have
been impossible to create a costume like that because of
the physical traits that were recorded in the film and

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what was being used at that time in Hollywood, and
what would have been available to just somebody, you know,
just off the street, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Interesting, and remember the name of the guy that setting
sold the sold them the costume. Can't recall it now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
This guy, I mean, like I said, you know, his
specialty was you know, like also primates and the like,
and how how the studios would create gorilla costumes to
make them as realistic as possible. And you know, he
cited things like how the head was constructed and how

(01:21:35):
the actor in the costume would have to position their
head within the costume, and you know, and things like that.
And I mean I I found his work and he
was very diligent in his research and took photographs of
people walking and then you know, would put them in

(01:21:58):
like gorilla costumes that were available Bullet, you know at
the time. And again he's basing this all on what
was available in nineteen sixty seven, I think in nineteen
sixty six, sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yeah, I mean, I guess i'd say if you were
just saying, what can I get at the costume shop,
you know, as a gorilla costume, it certainly isn't a
gorilla costume, right, It's something different. It had would had
to have been, you know, specially made. But I mean,
this isn't far removed from you know, Planet of the
Apes coming out right nineteen sixty something, you know, and

(01:22:33):
those those costumes are fairly realist. I mean, your mouthels
are moving, you're you know, those are pretty and a
lot better costumes than you and I could have got
our hands on at the time, so exactly. You know,
So I think, you know, I could see that the
argument that, yeah, generally this wasn't available, but you know,
a good special effects guy from Hollywood, you know, in

(01:22:57):
the in the realm of making costumes probably could puld
it off. I don't think it doesn't seem to me
to be something so magnificent that you know, it's unbelievable
that it could be a costume, particularly given the quality
of the film.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Of course, much later when the remake they use motion capture.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Yeah, yeah, when you're talking about the gorilla suit, I
think of the classic horrible gorilla suit sci fi movie
from nineteen fifty three, Robot Monster.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
It was all it was part of a gorilla suit.
They couldn't afford the head.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
So they had a space helmet. Space helmet from the
Captain Video TV show.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Mike, I mean your research, have you seen any photos
or films that you know may shoe fake? Well, you
know that that could be real.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
You know, there's some interesting ones. It's always almost always
blurry or in a distance. It's so much so that
you know, some people believe that, you know, this creature
has some sort of magical power to uh manipulate the film,
some sort of like cloaking device, so you never get
a good picture of it, or you know, you don't

(01:24:26):
find you know, you don't run into big Foot all
the time because you know you're walking right past him
because he's hidden like predator or something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
But it flies in a klingon bird of prey right right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
There's so there, there's some certainly some uh wide ranging
theories as to why we don't have good pictures and
good video. You know, there are some some people out
there who you know, claim that they can see bigfoot
whenever they want, and yet you know they're not coming
forward with you know, the most credible of photos or

(01:25:01):
video or you know, a proof of what they're saying.
It's it's also fascinating to me that if you go
looking for bigfoot, you're unlikely to find it. I think
more often than that, right, it's a surprise encounter, with
few exceptions, Patterson Gilan maybe being one. But it's you know,

(01:25:24):
a boy scout troop that's out and sees it on
a ridge, or it's you know, a camper that you know,
here's the howling or the wood knocking. You know, Jim's
own experience touched on in the preface of the book.
You know, it's just he was out in his retirement
home in the in the woods and had an experience.

(01:25:45):
I won't give away, let the readers get that. But
rarely is it. You know, I went looking for bigfoot
and then I found it. You know, maybe maybe by
design for Bigfoot, I don't know, But.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Well, when someone like Jim has an experience. It's you know,
it is kind of hard to come away from that
and say like, oh, well, I guess that was maybe
just a chipmunk, oversized chipmunk for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Yeah yeah, I mean again, you know anybody's experience. I mean,
if you you know, unless they're a fraudster, right, if
you see their video or their picture and they've they've
captured something, some of the video is clearly a you know,
humanoid creature walking. So if they're not fraudsters, then you know,

(01:26:33):
once that leave you, you know, it's there's instances people say,
you know, oh well it's a mistaken bear, and if
you've seen bear standing on their backfeet then walking around,
it's you know, you could understand that, particularly from like
a primitive point of view. You know, somebody that might
not know or if you were the first person to
ever run across in a ringutang or you know, a
great ape or something, you know, I don't know how

(01:26:56):
you would explain that other than you know, it's some
sort of humanoid, hairy creature.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
But to to see some of the videos, that's you know,
a clearly a loping walking creature like the Patterson film.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
It's either real or it's fake. There's not an in
between us. It's not a misidentification of, you know, some
other creature that we know of.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
I've seen I've seen some photos of some kind of
you know, large hairy creature walking away from the camera.
And if it's a costume, it was put together by
somebody who is well versed in anatomy, because a couple

(01:27:51):
of these pictures shows Bigfoot with a pretty nice ours,
which only something that spends all of its time walking
upright has. Bears don't have that, Gorillas don't have that,

(01:28:14):
gyps don't have that, humans have it, and it appears
that Bigfoot has it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Right, Yeah, So yeah, they're either excellent costumes or they're
or it's real. Like you said, you know, it's some
of them are definitely hard to hard to dispute.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Well, when I asked about photos, it made me I
was thinking about the anonymous photograph that was sent in
from I think it was Sarasota, Florida of the of
the Skunk Ape. That was this woman something kept stealing

(01:28:56):
apples from her garden and one night she was able
to get a picture of something she wasn't quite sure
what you're seeing, and then caught it in the flash
of a camera couple of times, and it's this kind
of you know, it's very large chimpanzee looking creature that
is doing what's called a the hoot pant, and it's

(01:29:20):
its mouth is open. You can see it's canine teeth.
It has part of part of its face. The hair
around its chin is white. And she thought that this
was some escaped like an orangutang or chimpanzee or something
from zoo, and had sent the picture in saying, somebody's

(01:29:40):
got to do something about this. Before you know it
starts grabbing kids going to school and having them for lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
We'll stop for lunch and then have more with Mike,
Jeane and Tim.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
You're in the bar dust.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
This is Jerome Clark Ufoor cycloped in other books.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
You're listening to the PCs.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
When you say, who I miss thinking of something else? Actually,
that film Robert Monster, as bad as it is, was
a hoot. It was made supposedly for fifteen thousand dollars,
included a three D version, a real three D version?

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Really how did they come up with the money then.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
And grossed a million dollars Wow. Now think about that
in nineteen fifty three. Okay, all right, think about a
million dollars in nineteen fifty three, in twenty twenty five dollars,
let's see what did it would be over twelve million

(01:31:02):
dollars today. But remember the point is in a movie,
you have to gross at least twice the production cost,
plus of course promotional costs. But a movie costing fifteen
thousand dollars making a million dollars, heck, that's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
Terrible movie, terrible, terrible, terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Every week I saw it as a kid, like preteen.
Every week they play it on what Channel nine in
New York, one of the independent stations.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I'm hearing voices.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Talking about butter. That's very strange.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I hear dead people.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Yeah, it's bigfoot what he did on the conversation. Yeah,
it's like, I'm tired. I'm tired of all this back
talk about me. You want to get in and give
his three cents worse? But anyway, are you are you

(01:32:18):
familiar with the the the Sarasota Photos it's called Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
I believe I've seen that. I should look it up
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Yeah. Unfortunately, like I said, it was sent in anonymously,
so you have no idea, you know, just what was
going on. But I mean it's it's it's a good photo.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Yeah, there's some great there's some great photos out there
that are you know, convincing that some of them are
almost too good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Well, there are some of these, some that and I've
seen them there. They've been resurrected recently, these videos taken
by somebody who is known to not be the most
respectable a person. But they're these like close ups of

(01:33:16):
bigfoot faces like in the bushes, you know, looking at
looking at the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
I don't know why that gentleman's name is escaping me,
but it's probably best not to bring it up anyway.
And on certain I mentioned in.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
The book, Yeah, I mean, for some reason, and these
you know, these are films that came out, you know,
a few years ago, maybe you know, five years or
so or more, but for some reason, they they're making
the rounds again. Yeah, you know, people people are disgusting them,
and you know, the like, oh these are real, Oh no,

(01:33:55):
they're not just and I mean they they look good,
but to me, they're obviously masks. I mean the eyes
may blink, but the rest of the face is pretty rubbery.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Yeah, very stoic, let's say.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Yeah, that's a good word for it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Yeah, I think I think, you know, there's It certainly
comes in cycles, and you know with some of the
film or TV shows, you know, in the reality TV
boom and you know, things like you know, Expedition Bigfoot
and you know, draws attention again, you know, that was
what twenty nineteen, I think that began airing, So you know,

(01:34:42):
pretty recently. You know, you're gonna get people interested those films,
you know, those shows going only last so long if
they don't give you something, some kind of red meat.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Yeah, but you know, some of these shows are what
got a lot of people started in this to begin with.
You know, well, gosh, what what was it? There's one
that with my name, my my mind's a blank on
the name with it started to it had letter Dean

(01:35:17):
Boy and Peter Graves as the host, like back in
the seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Yeah, oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Yeah, yeah, I've I've passed that that blankness onto you
as well. The name of that show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
I got a look.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Yeah, people in the audience are screaming the name at
us right now. But I've talked to so many people
in search of that's it, that's it, right, right, But
I mean, you know how many people though, you know
who grew up in the seventies, uh, saw that and
inspired them to to do this kind of stuff, to

(01:36:01):
do this kind of research.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Yeah, or even you know ripleys believe it or not,
some of that stuff or the the unexplained with the
guy from Star Trek the Next Generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
I mean there's a I guess you could call it
a value in those shows if if if they don't

(01:36:23):
produce the results, you know, maybe they're at least, you know,
encouraging others to to take up the mantle.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Some of the more recent, though, reality programs that that
take on this subject are they're they don't come anywhere
close to say shows like in Search of I mean,
the the these more recent, these more recent shows, I
mean they are just after the the statistics, the people

(01:36:58):
watching them, you know, yeahs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
And and a lot of those shows are going by
the wayside because of that, right. They can only they
can only survive so long, you know, taking you out
into the woods or taking you into the you know,
creepy house with all their gadgets and goodies and you know,
coming back with nothing substantial, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
You know, yeah, but you have to bear in mind here,
if you have forty two and a half minutes to
find a ghost or a big foot or an ancient
alien by George, most will find something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Yeah, yeah, yes, they'll find something. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
It's like taking the old George Harrison's song something in
the way it moves.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Well. So many of these shows, though, I mean they
have like, you know, like they have the big build
up before the commercial. It's it's like the old cereal,
not breakfast cereals, but the movie cereals, where they'll build up,
they'll build up. Oh, then there's a commercial and then
the when they come back, it's like, oh no, it's
not what you thought it was going.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
It was more fun when we had the movie serials.
Every week you'd see whether or not the Kryptonide would
kill Superman, or Billy Batson would take his gag off
his mouth to say Shazam to become Captain Marvel before
the aircraft sends a bomb down to the cap which

(01:38:33):
he's imprisoned.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Yeah, it was a cheap way to make the movie
because think about it, The first segment is twenty minutes each,
succeeding segments about twelve thirteen minutes, of which the first
two minutes is to recap the last yeah, and then
resolve the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Cliffhanger yeah, and give you another.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Start something new. And then of course, like what you
also do is use stock footage, so you had all
these sequences of say Tom Tyler as Captain Marvel flying,
the flying scenes which were actually very good for nineteen
forty one, pretty good, as they say. You'd say, the

(01:39:20):
same scenes over and over again, so you could build
them really really cheaply, right, and it would be fun
to watch. I mean, TV destroyed movie serials except for
like Mission Impossible movies with Tom Cruise, where you have
two and a half minutes, two and a half hours,

(01:39:40):
two and a half hours of a movie and then
come back three years from now to see the rest
of its, kind of like they did the Final Reckoning
with Jean and Mike and Tam.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
You're in little past. This is actually you're listening to
the podcast the gold Standard of Crinomal Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Yes, return with us now those thrilling days of yesteryear
where Mike Kowslowski searches for Bigfoot, smelly feet, big toe.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
The babies that we'll call little big feet.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Just big s humor folks.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Yeah, So, Mike, do you think that bigfoot is an
organic creature? Do you think it's related to humans? I mean,
it seems to look like a primate, or at least
the pictures and descriptions we get.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Yeah, I think, you know, I do believe it's an
organic creature. I don't think it's supernatural or interdimensional or
anything along those lines. And I would, uh, I would
guess that it's either well, I would say it's a
branch somewhere. I wouldn't want to call it the missing link,

(01:41:15):
but you know, probably U A U, a common ancestor
somewhere along the line. There's good evidence that, you know,
the Denisovans were much more prevalent than we might have thought.
Is there you know, a human species along with Neanderthals
and ourselves, who you know, all kind of existed around

(01:41:39):
the same time. We like to think our evolution is
very linear. Where it was you know, there were Dnisovans
and they died out, and then you know, Neanderthals and
then they died out, and that it's us. But there's
far more overlap than that. And even today you know
DNA shows that you know, we have you know, uh
DNA evidence that we have genes that are done Asovan

(01:42:02):
genes or Neanderthal genes. You know, so there is cross
breeding and all that, and we know, well, I guess
we know if you believe in science and evolution, that
you know, we branched off somewhere where the Great apes
went on one branch and we went on another. And
I tend to believe this is something in the middle,

(01:42:22):
either a primitive human species that is not as quite
as developed as us, or more of an ape like
creature that's more developed than the great apes that we know.
And the Great APPEs that we know are very intelligent creatures,
I think, and learn sign language, you know, they live

(01:42:43):
in you know families, they they're very human like ninety
eight percent. But I think chimpanzees rate on ourselves as
far as genetic similarities. So my yes is if it's
a creature that exists, now, it's you know, another branch
that is is survived and maybe in just small enough

(01:43:08):
quantities that it's difficult to find, which you know, we
see examples of that in other creatures all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
If it is an organic creature and related to humans.
And like you said, we now know that there were
all kinds of cousin species of humans existing at the
same time that we came out, I mean, and probably

(01:43:37):
a lot more than we'll ever know. One of the
observations about Bigfoot is how intelligent it seems. And it
just always made me think that this may be a
homidid that is just as intelligent as we are, except

(01:43:57):
that it's not technology based. We went in this direction,
and it went in its direction. It stayed feral for
what of a better word, but that doesn't diminish its
brain capacity and its ability to stay hidden from us.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Sure, even you know, we have tribes that we know
exist in the world, you know, that are secluded, that
are cut off from civilization. They're every bit as human
as usu. They just haven't gone the same route like
you said. They've you know, the skewed technology and kind
have stayed very primitive as as we would call it,

(01:44:40):
maybe natural as they would see it, and I think
Bigfoot could be similar. I also think, you know, the
the question of you know, why I haven't why don't
we see them all the time, why have we found
bodies all that sort of thing. It doesn't take a
very large population to maintain and existence. It's something called

(01:45:01):
the minimal viability population or theory that you know, fifty
odd members of society is enough for genetic diversity, and
five hundred or so is enough for that society to
keep moving along. So even if we went there with
a five hundred number, and even if we only looked
at America and said, okay, it only takes five hundred
of these to keep the population going. Even if we

(01:45:25):
looked at it and only the north you know, specific northwest,
that's a huge amount of space for five hundred creatures
to be able to hide out.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Well, it's also true here that there is so much
of the Earth that remains unexplored, and I think the
skepticism from some parts of science, well it can't be real,
and they're always discovering new species.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Yep, yeah, there's you know, it seems like I don't
know the number off top of my head, but I
feel like it's something like we don't know of ninety
percent of the species that exist. When you consider you know,
insects and what's in the deep sea, and you know,
areas that you know, we've only scratched on the surface,
you know, terra firma. So to think that you know,

(01:46:12):
we know it all is a little a little foolish.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Well that's the way science sometimes works. If it can't
be proven immediately, you know it, so it gets thrown
by the wayside.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
And there's very few you know, people giving serious investigations,
serious scientific research, you know, and applying the scientific method
to finding Bigfoot, you know, because you know there's a stigma.
You know. Jeff Meldrum is one, Grover Krantz was, you know,

(01:46:49):
a respected professor. But you know, even they got get
the side eye because they give credibility to the big
Foot legend. So despite their clear intelligence and education, just
the idea that they give it some credibility is enough
to you know, kind of make them pariahs in their fields.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Well, Jeff Melgrim talks about time travel also, so is
he saying that they come from the future of past.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
I'm not sure exactly where he falls. I feel like
he's kind of he kind of bounces around a little bit,
and I kind of feel like the interdimensional and alien
and time travel theories not that they're they couldn't be true,
but I think they kind of go the route of
what mythologies would do. Right when you don't have an

(01:47:42):
explanation for something, This is a good filler.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Right, Mike Kazlowski. If our listeners want to know more
of the things you do, where can they check you out?

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
The best place to find me is on my website
Wwwmike Couzlowski dot com, where you'll find links to the
books Onon you'll find links where you can purchase sign copies.
You'll find my fiction work as well. You can find
me on Facebook. I'm pretty active there Michael Kazlowski or

(01:48:11):
Instagram m A Kazlowski and I've just started kind of
playing around on the TikTok so find me there as well.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
I'm m A.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Kazlowski seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Okay, make a note of that, we don't do TikTok aus,
We don't do videos. We don't want to frighten listeners
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Tim well, and as far as I'm concerned, don't ask.
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