Classic Episode: July 17, 2011 — Roswell & Pyramids: Dennis Balthaser - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're in the paracast, the gold standard of the paranormal radio,
and now here's Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So think about ladies and gentlemen. This week, the last
space Shuttle ever has gone aloft. It's up there as
you hear this show, and people are now setting up
petitions to restore the space program.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's your feeling about this, Chris Well, I'm really disappointed that.
I think when Barack Obama was on the campaign trail
back in two thousand and seven, was making all the
right noises in terms of manned space flight, getting us
back on track in space, and here we are just
you know, another promise down the tubes. It's a change

(01:13):
we can like lament over. I guess it's really unfortunate
that our man presence in space is starting to go
the way to the dinosaurs, and I think we're in
a retro active period here in you know, in terms
of spaceflight. There's some question even asked a surviving all
these budget crisises that we're in, and that would really

(01:37):
be unfortunate. I don't think the private sector has the money,
and you know, I think the proper motivation to get us,
you know, transition us from a governmental space program to
a private industry space program. I don't see any real
impus to do that, So I'm I'm saddened by the whole.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I have to tell you something here. Let's forget
for the moment, who occupies the White House. I don't
think anybody in Washington has this stomach, has this spine,
the titanium spine to bring back the space program. You know,
they're talking about we got to cut this, we got
to cut that. We've got to put people out of work.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Whatever you think about the politics, right or left, doesn't matter.
Nobody has a vision for the space program. The last
vision I heard of the space program was John F.
Kennedy saying, we will land a man on the Moon
before nineteen seventy. And he didn't do it because he
wanted to explore space. As I recall, he did it
to beat the Russians.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, we need motivation. It's unfortunate there were there's
some estimates that we're going to be spending up to
six trillion dollars overseas, subjugating other countries and you know,
instituting democracy all around the world at the point of
a gun. And if we had even spent one third
of me on the space program. Just look where it

(02:59):
could be right now. We could be, you know, chugging
our way in a few years to the Moon, possibly
to mine helium three, or some sort of man mission
to Mars somewhere. I mean, we need motivation, Chris.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
We have the technology in nineteen sixty nine to send
a man to the moon. How come we don't have
that technology in twenty eleven or twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Why do we have to wait?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
And even then, we're not going back to the moon
according to the current plan, We're going to land on
an asteroid.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
What's the reason for that? Why don't we go back
to the moon.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh No, there's some conspiracy buff suffet that might say
we were warned away. There's a movie coming out I think,
what's it called Apollo eighteen where they're they're got to
fictionalize a you know, another Apollo mission that stumbles on
I think some sort of spaceship or something on the
Moon that was there or crashed or something. The New

(03:54):
Transformers I think, has a sequence where they land on
the Moon astronauts and they find this spaceship in Itlian
and that sort of thing. We got to do something.
I mean, our son is gonna go nova. We're gonna
get hit by an asteroid. Something calamitous will happen. It's
not so much if it'll happen, it's when. And we

(04:16):
need to get out and seed the stars. We need
to get this gene pool off, this rock spinning in space,
out into the cosmos. And it doesn't look like we're
going to be doing it anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, I'll tell you what I've done. Okay, at the
urging of missus Steinberg, I'm going to link to one
or more of the petitions out there to restore the
Space Program. Like I said, forget about the politics. It
doesn't matter. Liberal, conservative, middle of the road, independent, whatever
you are. You like Obama, you hate Obama, you like

(04:50):
one of the Republican candidates, you like Ron Paul, it
doesn't matter. We need the Space program. Think of all
the stuff in our technology today that came out from
the Space Program, and not tang drinks by.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
The way, right, you know, steak in a tube.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Oh, I gotta have steak in a tube. That's one
of the great inventions.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
But think you know, basically everybody now has a supercomputer
in their pocket. It can be an iPhone, it can
be an android phone. I think a third of the
people in this country, in America have some kind of
smartphone containing technology and processor power dozens hundreds of times
more powerful than the onboard computers of the Apollo spaceships.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
We can't go back, so we can. But like you said,
it all boils down to motivation and proper expenditure money.
I think this country is really down the river when
it comes to, you know, balancing our purse strings, and
it's I think we're gonna have hell to pay if
we don't we don't start cutting money from where it

(05:59):
needs to be. From ridiculously high defense budgets and expenditures
have bases in one hundred and sixty plus countries around
the world. I mean, we need to take care of
our own right now. We need to really kind of
tighten it up, pull back a little bit from being
the world's cop, and start spending money where it really

(06:21):
is going to do the most benefit down the road.
Your point is well taken about how this effort back
in the sixties really helped jumpstart scientific innovation and inventions,
and it's just, you know, we should probably do a
whole show on this at some point because this is
really as it's really a sad state of affaris Gene.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, I'll tell you what I have been talking with
Don Ecker, and of course he also explores lunar mysteries.
Don Ecker, of course is the host of the Dark
Matters radio show. He is a moderator in the Powercast forums.
He's my friend, a longtime friend and a friend of
the show. And the two areas that he's been investigating, one,
of course, is the situation regarding UFO researcher paranorma researcher

(07:06):
Philip and Brogno. You know where we've already discovered with
the help of one of our listeners who has basically
come out and admitted who he is.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
His name is Lance Moody.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
He's a skeptic, but he's also somebody who is really
trying to investigate and point out the flaws in our logic.
And in this case, the flaw he found was that
Philip M. Brogno's degrees don't pan out. And Don Ecker
has been investigating this too, and he'll have an answer
and some more information soon on his show.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
In ours.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
He'll also be coming on the paracast soon to talk
about lunar mysteries. So what you talked about earlier in
what we touched on, Chris, is it possible we went
to the Moon one of those Apollo excursions and someone
or something on the Moon said you are not welcome here,
don't come back.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
What about that?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, we had David Hatchie Childress on the show and
he did bring up some other very interesting point. Some
of the anomalies that are found on the Moon. The
Blair cuspits come to mind about that supposedly are on
the Moon that have been photographed and I think covered up.
I think it's definitely worth the show. There's a lot
of information out there concerning the Moon that doesn't quite

(08:18):
jibe with, you know, the scientific paradigm in terms of
what the Moon actually is, why it's any orbit it is,
how come it's so perfectly positioned. It's almost the odds
of this happening are pretty high, now, you know, happening naturally.
So yeah, I think this would be a fun show.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
That would be don Eker coming up in the future.
But today we're going to be talking about a guy
who has a website called truth seecret at Roswell Truth
Secret Roswell. And he's Dennis Ballfaser, and yes, he's a
long time Roswell researcher, also researches the.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Mysteries of the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
But he's also very concerned about the tragic state of
UFO research and editorial about that subject probably a year
and a half or so ago, kind of lamenting over
the fact that you have all these gatherings, you know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
This has happened over the.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Years, Chris, where you have this gathering, you have a
lot of serious scientific UFO researchers.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
And you have a few wackos in there.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I guess the wackos are brought in to maybe
boost the box office. But is that a good way
to present the face of the UFO field. And that's
something that concerns Dennis.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think we're gonna dig into this one pretty deeply.
I was at the conference that I think actually inspired
him to write his diatribe about the state of the
conference system in uphology, And I think we're fasten your
seat belts. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And the guest is Dennis Ball Faser, I'm Gene Steinberg.
The co host is Chris O'Brien. You're in the Pera Cast.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
On the Powercast with Gene and Chris, we welcome back
to someone who has not been on the show for
several years, and that's Dennis Ballfaser of course, somebody who's
done a lot of work into mysteries of the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Also into Roswell.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
But we brought you on in response to an editorial
you did about the state of UFO events, conventions, etc.
About the presence of the Woo Woo element. Dennis, welcome
back to the show. Tell us what are you concerned about?

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Thank you, it's been a while. I'm going to be
seventy years old this October. I've been doing this professionally
for the last fifteen years. Been interested in usology for
the last twenty twenty five years, and I'm seeing a
great influence of what I refer to as the wu
Wuo's card readers traumas and those kinds showing up at

(11:26):
conferences that are supposed to be UFO related conferences. And
I think they probably deserve their own venue, but I
don't think they should be mixed in with people like
Stanton Friedman, John Greenwald Junior, Travis Walton and the likes
of those serious researchers and people. And I've got a
great concern about that, and I'm looking at whether this

(11:46):
may be my last year to do the research or not.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
But isn't it sure, Dennis, that this has been part
and parcel of UFO conventions for years. I mean, let's
go back to the days in the sixties and seventies
when Jim Moseley was sponsoring UFO event in New York City,
and he had a lot of serious people there because Jim,
you know, when you get past the sardonic sensi of humor.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
He's very serious about the subject. But he also had
some wackos on there. This has been true for years.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You've always had this element. And we're not saying that
some of these power normal claims are not relevant or valid.
We're talking about people that are presenting the proper face
for UFO research.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
This has been going on.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's nothing new, that's true.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
But I think the existence of UFOs, whether it's provable,
when it's provable, will be done by scientific research or
serious research, not by some card reader or some psychic
or someone claims to have been abducted and been impregnated
five or six times. What it really picked me was
up at angel Fire last year of his master ceremonies

(12:50):
for their conference, and I had people like Stanton and
John Greenawal and Travis Walton, some.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Serious, serious people.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yes, I was there too, Yeah, and then now you consider.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Him serious by the way, Chris is serious sometimes.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Now, I had one of the things I was responsible
to do with Druce, a tenfoil hat contest. My background
is civil engineering. I had thirty three years of the
Texas High Department, of three years with an Army engineering battalion.
So I take this very seriously, and I think it's
of such importance that it needs to be taken seriously.
And introducing a tinfoil hat contest didn't sit well with me.

(13:31):
But as the master ceremonies. I was required to do that.
What I'm seeing at a lot of conferences, and like
you said, I mean this has been going on for
some time. But the frustration that I have with not
only that, but with the politics here in Walswell between
the museum and the city, I'm just I'm tired of
that and I'm going to look at the end of

(13:51):
the year and see if maybe this is the time
to hang it up.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, let me put the onus on you.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Then would it be worth someone like you sponsoring a
UFL convention and you vet the people before they go on.
I mean, this is an argument that we had with
people like Steve Bassett who came on the show and
he has these ex conferences, and myself and our former
co host we argue with him over the fact that yeah,
you've got some pretty serious people there, but then you've

(14:18):
got people who have very extreme positions, and he basically
said that doesn't matter rather heated terms.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
I think it doesn't matter, you know, Like I say,
I think they deserve a venue, and they has some
information of his own value, but I think to mix
it in with the series researchers and promoting it as
a UFO conference to me that that just doesn't said, well,
maybe it's just personal with me, but that's my hangout.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I agree totally, Dennis. And at the end of the
Angel for our conference, I sat down with Janet Sailor,
who pretty much put the whole thing together, and I
kind of patiently led her through the idea that you know,
you can't be all things to all people. If you
have a lot of psychics and channelers and new age types,
that's going to turn off the you know, your real

(15:08):
serious UFO audience. And if you have real serious UFO
investigators and researchers, oftentimes that turns off the new agers
and the WU types. So she's trying to be all
things to all people. And I said, look, you've got
to you know, you've got to decide what you want
to do and who you want to be here with
this conference. And she nodded and said, yeah, very good. Yeah,

(15:31):
you're right, you know, and and look at the roster
this year, it's even more weighted over onto the new
age side. She still is trying to attract the UFO
crowd by having a few speakers addressing that particular topic.
And you're right, it's like oil and water. I think
there are connection points, but I think by and large
it's really doing both sides of that equation to disservice

(15:52):
by trying to mix and mingle the two.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, I agree. I think another another hang up I
have the media. I really enjoy radio shows like the Paracast,
Jerry Pippen and some of the shows I've been on.
Radio is live normally, this very little editing takes place.
Whereas the TV and documentaries, I've had some bad experiences

(16:14):
with some of the TV documentary people. The National Geographic
for one, Saton and I did several hours of taping
with the National Geographic Channel several years ago when the
air to show. The last thing that the announcer said
was that Roswell was a myth.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Now is it an interesting though?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You'll sit there and, as you say, you'll spend hours
recording something for a TV show. I agree, you'll get
ten seconds on the area of fat.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Right, and who do they normally give the time to.
They give it to the skeptics of the debunkers, and
that's the ones that usually get the airtime. Unlike what
most people think, there's no reimbursement, there's no reimbursement for
the person who has spent years in money and time
doing research and then when it airs, I've I've had

(17:04):
to go to the extreme. But they put a different
question with my answer.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
So you Chris had a situation like that where he
spent a lot of time doing a TV show about
mysteries and what San Luis Valley and on the TV show, Chris,
it ended up being in Sedona, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Right. Well, it was a UFO Hunters episode on portal areas,
gateway areas, window areas, however you want to define them.
And I patiently led them through my theory and the
formula that I used to identify these types of special areas.
And of course every other sentence was San Luis Valley
because all this, the majority of this information was gathered

(17:45):
there in Colorado, four hundred plus miles away from Sedona,
and they switched everything around. It made it sound like
everything I was talking about I was referring to Sedona,
and they actually took parts of three sentences to you know,
reformula a single sentence that that sort of thing, and
you know, I just that's inexcusable. I really have a

(18:06):
problem with that. I've been very lucky over the years.
I've done g's thirty five forty probably TV segments, and
only twice have I had had, you know, a real
major issue with honesty and the editing process. Shall we
say so, but that was inexcusable, and I just you know,
it's not it's not right. I think the audience should

(18:28):
be told the truth. I understand that these people are
in the entertainment industry, but there has to be a
line that you don't cross when it comes to honesty
and actually presenting the facts the way they were intended.
And that wasn't the case of my segment.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
We'll pause here. We have Chris O'Brien's the co host.
Dennis ball Phaser is our guest this week.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
I'm Jeene Steinberg. You're in the para cast.

Speaker 7 (18:58):
Hi, this is done, and you are tuned into the
para cast. Let me tell you what you're going to
hear Steph here that you probably won't hear anywhere else.
Hear that George snoring.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
We're back.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Chris O'Brien's the co host. I'm Gene Steinberg. We're talking
to Dennis Ballfaser about I guess the tragic state of
UFO Research, UFO Conventions, Media coverage not to be fair.
You know, when you shoot a TV show an interview,
you're going to basically shoot more footage than you're going
to use. Now, of course, it's just digital recording, but

(19:36):
an honest editor is going to air segments that properly
represent what the person has to say, honestly do I mean,
this is what we did when I was doing broadcasting
as a newscaster, and I go around and I would
record interviews with people, or I'd record speeches, and I
try to find the comments that properly represent what was

(19:58):
going on. Yes, we have the sound and all that stuff,
the SoundBite culture, but you want to be honest about it.
But if you go in there with your particular point
of view, your agenda, and you say, well, we're going
to find out about the mysteries in Sedona, and Chris
is talking about another state, a city four hundred miles away,
we'll just change it.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
That's pathetic, right.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
We know most people think that we researchers get paid
well for doing those things, and in fact they're ninety
nine percent free, and they want all the information that
we've gathered over the years to use on their program
and I'm convinced that the documentaries and the TV shows
or they had two things in mind. One is ratings,

(20:41):
of course, and you know there's profit. And I don't
know that they're really concerned about factual information because I
think that's been proven over and over.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Well that's all news business today.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Yeah, of all the interviews that I've done over the years,
I would say maybe five I would consider creditable. Is
not a very high percentage of the total number of
interviews I've done. And that's why I like radio so much.
I like radio, like being able to write editorials, and
I've even run into trouble with that. The mouf On
Journal would take my editorials and either omit some of

(21:16):
what I wrote because of space, they said, or they'd
reword things. And you know, when you write something that's
copyright it.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well understandably though, an editor is going to change something,
but if it's going to change the meaning you kind
of I would hope you go back to the writer
and say, look for space reasons for whatever grammar spelling
I made a few changes, Is this okay? That's what
my editus used to do when I was writing technology reviews.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, They didn't do that. They just made the changes,
and when it came out in the journal, I saw
that it would have been changed. I'll be honest. The
UFO magazine has been as creditable with my editorials as
anybody that has used them. And I appreciate that, you know,
and I appreciate when a reporter shows up at a

(22:04):
conference and they give actual, actual information in their report,
because it.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Doesn't how refreshing I said, how refreshing that would be.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
I don't know. I'm just getting old, I guess and cranky,
but you know, spending all this money and time and
I lose three four thousand dollars a year doing the research.
But I think it's important. But I may have reached
a point where I let somebody else do it, Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So would it make sense for Dennis Ballphaser to put
on his own UFO convention, get the serious people and
focus and showcase that and try to get the media
to see what UFO research.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Is all about.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Well, living in Rashwall, that's not a possibility, or here
in Roswell it wouldn't be a possibility because of the
control that the UFO Museum has over the city. That's
proven this year.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Tell us an, I think listeners want to hear about this.
You think Roswell that's a tourist attraction. You have an
event in Roswell, it's going to attract worldwide tension.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's you know, UFO Center. So what's the problem.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well, the problem is that a couple of years ago
the museum ran it and attendance was down, income was down.
So the city took it over two years ago. And
in fact I was on the committee to help organize
the festival last two years ago, and we had two festivals.
We had the Museum Festival and we had the City Festival,
and we had big crowds. Well, we got a new

(23:30):
mayor last year. He decided to give it back to
the museum, so he gave her one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars in largers tax to run the festival this year.
Over the four day period of the festival, I understand
that the museum had something like seventy five hundred people.
That's not a high number considering previous years. So whether
they continue to run it or not, I don't know.

(23:51):
But there was another group tried to have the conference
went to the mayor asked for some lodgers tax and
was told that if you compete with the museum, you
don't expect any money ever in the future. So we
have a political situation here at The museum brings in
a lot of money for Roswell, There's no doubt about it,
and I'd be the first to admit that it's a
widally needed facility, but the way it's run and operated

(24:16):
I really questioned a lot of the things they do. Well.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, that's the other question here. Does that mean that
you can't have an independent convention because of the presence
of that museum and what it does.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I believe that's probably right, because it was tried this
year and they were flat told they can't do it.
They can't compete with the museum. And you have other
organizations here that are nonprofit that should be getting some
of the lagger's tax. And when you give one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to one organization, I'm not sure
that's completely fair either.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
One hundred and fifty thousand dollars there's more than enough
money to put on a pretty good convention. I mean,
over the years, I've worked with people who've planned such
events and they were lucky to have five or ten thousand.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah, that's right now. I don't know that there's any
accountability for that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I've
not heard or seen any accountability for it. And how
to spend I don't know. She did have good speakers,
they had the same speakers they always have, Stanton Don Schmidt,
Dom Carrey, those type people. But the accountability I would question,

(25:22):
I really would.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Sounds like a lot of people are getting paid over there.
There's been a problem though, between the museum and the
and the city and investigators. I know that you've been
battling some issues around this subject.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I'm banned from the musem Oh, why don't you.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Give us your updated and Dennis your banned from the museum?

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Yes, sir, there was a note put on the greeterer's
desk several years ago, which I have a copy of,
saying Dennis ball Facer is not welcome at the UFO Museum,
signed by Julie Schuster, the director of the museum. Don't
ask me why, because I don't know why. I was
with the museum from ninety six to ninety eight as
the Roswell as the investigator. I was on the board

(26:08):
of directors. I was a seventy hour week volunteer, ten
hours a day, seven days a week free, and I
was told to sever of my relationship. And I think
the reason I was told to seven my relationship because
I didn't agree with everything they were telling people. They
do not carry any books that criticize Roswell or anything

(26:32):
to do with the Rosswell incident. There's a hand selected
board of directors. There's been four or five different CPAs,
and she took over. You either play her game or
you know, hit the highway.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now you're talking about CPAs, Are you animating here? We
have some problem with the books over there.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I wouldn't doubt it. They bring in a tremendous amount
of money. They get one hundred and fifty two hundred
thousand people a year coming through the It's a big
money maker. And I don't know that they've ever been
audited by the IRS or the Attorney General.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Is this registers a nonprofit organization? Yes, sir, okay, so
they have to meet certain requirements that maybe are far
tighter than just any company.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
I would think. So, yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right, well this is something I guess we can prove here,
but I have unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Proof that anything is not in order. But I have
a lot of doubt because I was involved for two
years from ninety six to ninety eight, and I've not
been in the museum since probably two thousand and two
thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Is this considered a public place? Yes, sir, okay, so
you're a member.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Of the public.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Don't you have a legal right to walk over there
and say, I am a member of the public. I
have not done anything to cause a disturbance.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
I won't keep her the satisfaction of putting myself inside
the museum as long as she's in charge of it.
When Connors and I did a oral history on her
dad on Walter Halt several years ago, we taped him,
put him on videotape for about three hours. He's had
three different AffA Davis that I'm aware of, and we

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were told the day after he died that we could
never release any of that information or discuss any conversations
we ever had with her father.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
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I'm the Power Cast and we're looking into reasons why
it's possible Dennis ball Faser will.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Give up UFO research.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, so tell our listeners for those who haven't studied
all the arcane Roswell lore. Who was this guy you're
talking about with a deathbed confession?

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Walterhaut, Yes, Sir, Walderholt was the public relations officer at
the base in nineteen forty seven, broke directly under Colonel Blanchard,
the base commander and head of the five or ninth
bomb wing, and when the incident happened, Colonel Blanter called
him into the office and told him to write a
press release. Walter questioned the press release because what it

(29:53):
said was that we have in our possession the flying
Saucier from a ranch neeer Boswell that went out in
most newspapers western Chicago the afternoon of July nineteen forty seven,
and the next morning papers east of Chicago character story
by General Ramy that it was nothing but a weather balloon.

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And for many many years Walter said all he knew
was what he wrote in that press release. Wendy Connors
and I happened to be. Wendy Connors was a historical
UFO researcher for many years from Albuquerque, and her and
I were in the museum and hert Walter being interviewed
by a French television crew in which he said he

(30:35):
saw a body. Wendy and I both went outside and said,
did you hear what I heard? And we did, and
we decided we'd better get him on tape, so we
set up a meeting with Julie, his daughter. I made
up a list of questions we were going to ask
Walter that was approved by his daughter, and we interviewed
him for about three and a half hours from videotape.

(30:57):
And during that interview he had a hard time. I'm
remembering where he took basic training he had hard time
the names. He couldn't remember a lot of things, and
as it turned out, a few months later, he signed
an affidavit saying that he did see the bodies at
the hangar and a lot of other things, And as
it turned out, he did not write that AffA. David

(31:19):
Don Schmidt wrote the affai David, and Walter just signed it.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Now are we saying basically here that maybe Walter signed something,
but he wasn't, as they say, well enough to understand
what he signed.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Well, his memory improved tremendously by the time that Schmid
wrote to the Affidavid that he signed, which you.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Know, I think of the movie Superman Returns. At the beginning,
there's a scene where the.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Evil Lex Luthor is married to this millionaire woman who's died.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
By the way, the woman was played by Noel Neal,
who played the Superman's girlfriend Lois Lane in the nineteen
fifties TV series Okay, So anyway, she dies just as
she's about to sign this agreement signing over all her
money to Lex Luthor. So of course he takes his
hand and completes the signature. So it's kind of like

(32:08):
almost like that where you're basically implying here that maybe
he signed something fully unaware of what it meant and
what it contained.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
I don't know that for a fact, but it seemed
odd that during the interview that we did he couldn't
remember anything, and then he could remember everything plus some
he read or after he read before he signed the
Alpha David, There's been a lot of questions about that affidavit.
He had three of them, I think, one where Max
Lettel was the businessman involved with the founding the three

(32:40):
founders of the museum, and in that one he had
said that he did not know anything other than that
he wrote the press release, and that was a story
that he shared with the public for many years when
I knew Walter really well and really liked him as
a person. But I don't know about the affidavit. Think
there's been a lot of questions over the years since

(33:02):
he passed away about the validity of them.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
So basically you feel that maybe he knew nothing more
than that press release. He did something under orders and
that was it.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Well, he did admit on film with French crew that
he had seen a body, and then when we talked
to him, he said he had seen the body and
the hangar from about twenty five thirty feet away, partially
covered with the tarp, and it reminded him of about
a twelve year old child. He was twenty five to
thirty feet from it. There were some stories circulating and

(33:33):
maybe he went out to the debris field himself. We
don't know for sure if he did that or not.
I hate to come on and be negative, but you know,
I've got these concerns, and I wrote the editorial about it.
Like I said before, I thoroughly enjoy radio because it's
one on one and very little editing done. Most TV

(33:53):
newscasters when they do a story on UFOs, they will
present the information and they can't leave a little at
the end of it. They'll have to put some amusing
or sarcastic remark to take the validity away from it.
And that's just part of the overall problem that I
have with this research.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, but going.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Back, of course to this particular event, let's look at
what we have left of oswell, because pretty much all
the original witnesses have gone now right right, okay, So
is there any more story to tell? How can we
possibly get that information unless we find a warehouse thirteen
somewhere with the bodies and all the evidence of the spaceship.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Well, I didn't attend anything this year downtown. I didn't
go downtown at all during the four days of the festival.
But I understand there was a guy at the museum
who is a instructor at New Mexico Military Institute or
Junior College here in Military College, and that he found
some metal out at the crash site near Corona and

(34:57):
is having a tested and he believes that may be
part of the craft. There was an archaeological dig done
several years ago with the University of New Mexico archeological team,
and I was out for the last day of that
and to my knowledge, he got about sixty four bags
and material, but none of it has ever been made

(35:18):
public as far as having any value as far as
the crash. But this latest thing is I'm trying to
follow I don't know the guy, but I'm trying to
follow up on what he has found the forest's metal
and see what kind of testing he's doing.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Is that like the flexible metal that Jesse Marcell Junior
talks about.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
He didn't say anything about it being flexible or not
being able to burn. They were doing some isotopic testing
on it. I believe that Chakora, the college out of Chicorra,
and they said it was not containing any elements really
known on Earth. And he has some more testing to
do under apparently.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Well, one thing that I remember in some of my
talks with you, Dennis, is that you kind of go
against the grain a little bit in terms of the
Roswell case, and that this has caused some friction I
think among other researchers. Why don't you give us a
thumbnail sketch of how you differ in your particular understanding
of the case versus the you know, for lack of

(36:21):
a better term, the company on it, because I know
that there are some departure points there.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Well, I think what you're talking about is I've always
questioned Glenn Dennis some more Tisian he claims to have
been involved, and the nurse and all that at the hospital.
None of the information that Glenn has ever talked about
has been confirmed. The nurse has never been found. He
claimed that she was shipped out the next day to

(36:49):
Europe and killed in the plane crash. And there's no
writer to the plane crash. He sent Schmidt and Randall
on a wild goosechase for five years with the wrong
name finally admitted that it was a wrong name. I
think Glenn may have been involved, because he was definitely
the mortician at the base, but I don't know what

(37:10):
extent he was involved, and whether it was hearsay, you know,
that he heard from somebody else or what. But the
redheaded captain that he talked about, nobody has found that one,
and there's just no validity to any of the story
that he tells. James Bond Johnson took the pictures in
General Ramie's office in Fort Worth. I interviewed him before

(37:34):
he passed away, and he had started to elaborate on
his knowledge of the event. When I first talked to him,
the only thing he knew was that he took the
pictures of Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer of General Ramy,
and Colonel de Bos when Marcel took the material to Roswell,
But he inballished his story later on in life. Walter Shaffa. David,

(37:58):
of course has always been a pro album and I
think maybe that's some of the stuff you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, so there's the nurse question. I think has been
banned about quite a bit over the past few years.
People questioned whether she was actually a real person or
even was some sort of I don't know, finging of
somebody's imagination. I heard that that part of Dennis's story
is just not not held up over time, And so do.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
You think I'm probably get in trouble for saying this,
But it's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Not I mean, you're going to be getting in trouble
for just about everything you said so far.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I think.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Been learned that the parac cast for.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
I think maybe he had a relationship with his nurse,
and he was married at the time, so I think
maybe that has some bearing on it that he's never
going to admit to anything that jeopardising. Gilenn is not
in good shape. He's in a nursing home, I think
I can. I know he quit doing interviews several years ago.

(39:04):
He had a form of all Timer's and of course
he's getting up in years, his Japanese eighties now and
one of the few remaining living witnesses to the event.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'll tell you well again, so much more of this
coming up. Dennis Ballfaser on the para cast. I'm Gene Steinberg,
the co host is Chris O'Brien, and you're in.

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with Gene and Chris talking to Dennis Ballphaser looking into
the sad state of UFO research, the state of roswell research.
So what else is there about roswell that we'd have
to question to say, you know what, this doesn't pass muster.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Let's set it aside.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Well, you know, sixty four years and it hasn't completely
gone away. We've been giving four excuses over the last
sixty four years, and if I live long enough, I'm
sure there'll be another one. My personal theory on roswell is,
and this is only my personal theory. Whatever was recovered

(40:46):
from the debris field of the Corona sixty four years later,
I don't believe they know what they have, by meaning
that what they found was pieces. They didn't find intact craft.
All those pieces have to be put together black engineers somehow.
So I don't know that they know what they have,

(41:09):
where they were from, what their motive was, the propulsion system,
the guidance system, things like that. And until they get
that information sorted out, I don't believe all military or
a government will admit it happened or know anything about it,
because until they get the military advantage out of having that,
and there would be a definite advantage, I don't think

(41:32):
they'll go public with anything. I think they'll keep denying it.
The other problem is who in our government is going
to admit that they've been lying to us for sixty
four years, because that's going to open up a whole
other can of worms for a whole lot of other
things unrelated to UFOs that we've been lied to about,
and that continues to this day with the current government

(41:54):
we have. It's just a way of life, and at
lectures many times I asked young people to start asking
questions and demand answers because just accepting what they say
doesn't cut it. We need more information.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you also another thing about this,
What about this new book out on Area fifty one
where it's mostly focusing on the top secret weapons and
aircraft research they did there from Annie Jacobson, But there
is yet another Roswell's.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Story when Every fifty one. Yeah, I was up there, Oh,
I don't know, four or five years ago. I did
a couple lectures at Rachel to little alien in there,
and got to go out to both the gates and
harassed the guards a little bit. The wife and I
were diving down that thirteen mile dirt road and I

(42:45):
told her, I said, watch the hills because sooner or
later we're going to see a jeep or a pickup
truck with the guards. And sure enough we came around
sand dune and got to the entrance and they were
sitting up there in a sand dune with the pickup
truck up with binoculars on us and listening to what
we were saying. It is the biggest, one of the biggest,

(43:05):
if not the biggest base we have. It's the most
secretive base we have. And I have read a lot
of books and seen a lot of documentaries on Area
fifty one and I can assure you that standing there
at the gate with two guards sitting in a pickup
with binoculars on you is a difference a lot different
than reading a book or seeing a documentary. It brings

(43:27):
it all pretty well to life. And then we went
to the other gate, which is a double dropped down
gate and has the guard track there that's visible. The
one that the thirteen mile road doesn't have a guard track.
It's quarter mile past there. If you get to it,
you're in trouble because you're already on the property. But

(43:48):
every fifty one to me is a catch twenty two.
It's a vitally needed facility to do our technology for
a new aircraft and different types of research. But if
any of the rumors about aliens or UFO craft being
housed there, I think I'd like to know that, maybe
not for myself, but for my kids or grandkids to
know what their future is. And I don't know that

(44:11):
that's ever going to be made public.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
What do you think of this anti Jacobson's assertion that
Oswell was a secret Soviet scyops program designed by Joseph Mangle.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
She has some factual information about early fifty one. She
has a lot of wrong information about Rosswell. And I'm
not read the book, but I've seen it critiqued and
some of the comments that have been made about it,
I think she's totally off base as far as Rosswell goes.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Do you think she threw that in there just to
sell books?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Possibly possibly reminds me of body Snatches in the Desert,
the book that Nick Redforn came out with a few
years ago.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know there's two thousand, over
two thousand websites on Rosswell, and probably ninety five percent
of the people that have those webs I've never been here.
They never interviewed a witness, they don't know where the
crash sites are. It's second and third hand research. And
I spent a whole lot of time on the internet
putting out fires. But for people that put out focus information. Brgilia,

(45:16):
I think he's his name, Tony Anthony Bergilia, he put
out some stuff about the Foster Ranch that was totally wrong.
I had talked to the BLM people here in that
ranch crash site. It's BLM property, and they had done
an environmental impact study several years ago, and I went

(45:36):
out to get a copy of it, and in that
report it's said to be careful because it's known to
have aliens out there. And this was signed off by
about nine people at the BLM Bureau Land Management Office.
Well what got my attention? And I said, where did
this information come from? Oh, that's a joke. That's not
supposed to be in there. It won't be in the

(45:58):
final copy. I said, good, I want copy of the
final copy for sure enough, they call me when that
revised it, and I got a copy of it and
read it, and most of the mundane stuff was taken
out of it. But there was a note in there
that they will not permit any direct drilling or any
building on top of that site, which to me is

(46:21):
a step in the right direction because you have a
federal agency that is protecting that property in a way,
meaning that there may be a good possibility that's validity
to it. So I was fairly happy with how that
turned out.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yes, but just prohibiting drilling and whatever. That doesn't prove
what really happened, does it?

Speaker 5 (46:45):
No, But they're protecting it. They're not going to allow
any drilling, direct drilling, Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So the other question is would be environmental concerns I mean,
we're going to look at the Devil's advocate questions here.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
No, they did that, and they did stay in there
because it was the alleged site of the nineteen forty
seven crash, and they used to wear it alledge, which
I can buy because that's what we have as an
alleged incident. And I'm not the type researcher that goes
and bangs his fist on the desk and says, by God,
this is what happened, because I don't know that. All

(47:19):
we know is what we've been told over the last
sixty four years. A lot of it is wrong, a
lot of it we believe is true. And I've interviewed
one hundred hundred and fifty first and second hand witnesses
in that time, and they have no reason to make
up the story about what took place. They have no reason.

(47:40):
They didn't know each other when it happened. You're talking
ranches out here that are ten fifteen miles apart. The
only time you see each other is when they're doing
cattle or sheep, and they have no reason to make
this story up.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Now, what about just remembering things and then having that
memory colored clas outed by cultural events. You know, we
all think about aliens and grays and they remember, maybe distantly,
this newspaper headline, and maybe they're memories of filled in
a few details that weren't there.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
I don't buy the memory loss thing. That's an air
force excuse. You're talking to rancher who knew what weather
balloons were. He recovered them, and they had a tag
on him where to turn them in so he'd get
a reward into a small financial reward, which to a
rancher was a lot of money back in nineteen forty seven.

(48:35):
So he knew what weather balloons were and the stuff
that he found, he wasn't aware of what it was,
and that's why he came to town to the sheriff.
The sheriff didn't know what it was, contacted the military,
and Jesse Marshall, the intelligence officer, got involved. So I
don't buy the memory loss thing. These people were creditable people.
I mean, you have the sheriff of Chavis County, you

(48:57):
have the rancher, You have the Walter Halt, who is questionable,
but he was there. He wrote the press release. You
have Colonel de Bo's, you have all these people that
have been interviewed over the years. Who are creditable people.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, the other question I guess we'd ask is all
right with Roswell, we have this event that happened, then
we have the cover story on all this stuff. But
maybe there are other possible non extraterrestrial solutions and we'll
ask you about that in the moment. Dennis ball Fazer
is joining us. Chris Obrian's the co host. I'm Gene Steinberg.

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Speaker 2 (50:11):
We're back with Chris O'Brien, the co host. I'm Jeene Steinberg.
We're talking to Dennis Ballfaser. We're seeking the truth about Roswell. Okay,
so what about some kind of secret experiment that went
bad and obviously because of security concerns, national security whatever,
they didn't tell the people over at the military base

(50:35):
at Roswell.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Well, they happened sixty four years ago, and things were
a lot different than than they are today. We just
come out of the Second World War. There was a
lot of up here in the country. I think the
key is that the people back then trusted and respected
the government. The story died three days after it happened,
after General Raimi came out and said it was a
weather balloon, less than twelve hours after Walderholt I said

(51:00):
we had captured and had in our possession of flying saucer.
The public bought that, and they could have brought that
craft down the middle of main Street in Roswell down
to the base and nobody would have given it a
second thought. Because almost daily we had plane crashes out
here in the desert, and they would load them on
a low boy and a trailer and take them downtown
and nobody thought anything about it. So it wasn't anything

(51:24):
that would get anybody's attention, and the people trusted and
respected the government. That's not true today. If you look
at the polls that they're taken about our congressman and
our president and things like that, those numbers are pretty
low in fact, one of the polls I've seen a
roper pole or sixty some percent believe that the government
is covering up UFOs and seventy percent think they know

(51:46):
more about it than they're letting us know. Those are
higher percentages than politicians get elected by it, and I
think it's time that the people in Washington the military,
and they're not talking all military. I have a lot
of respect for the military, having in myself, but there
are a few in our military and some higher reps
in Washington they're keeping the truth from us, and not

(52:08):
just UFOs, but other things as well.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah. I have an interesting story that is breaking from
the open minds of folks here in the Phoenix area.
Alandro Rojas released a story yesterday with quite a sensational headline.
It says, test confirms Roswell debris is not from Earth.
Are you aware of this testing process that has been

(52:32):
underway with Frank Kimbler, who is a teacher at the
New Mexico Military Institute there in Roswell and.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
His that's the one I was just talking about.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah. Yeah, he's come out with a new release with
quite a bit of scientific information in here. It's an
interesting article that does suggest that perhaps that some of
the debris that they were able to gather does test
out as being something unusual, similar to some tests that
I think I think Peter Strok did on a supposed

(53:04):
metal sample I think from Brazil. So have you seen this.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
I saw the art yesterday. I saw the article yesterday
on the internet, and if you'll read that, I think
there's a note somewhere where the professor or somebody at
the university refused to test do isotopic testing, and then
he went and talked to someone else, and I don't
know if they did any testing or not, but they

(53:29):
felt that there was a different type of metal and
it didn't say anything about being flexible or that you
could bend it or anything like that. But that's going
to be interesting to watch to see. And I have
always thought that there probably is still metal at the
crash site, even though it was vacuum pretty well by
the military when it happened. More than one time they

(53:52):
were out there to clean it up. But we have
a lot of voids here in New Mexico, and you
have warmuts and different animal most of big holes and
some of that stuff could have gone down in there
when they did the architectural dig a couple of years ago.
They crossed what looked like the path that this thing
took when it hit the ground and went down about

(54:14):
two or three feet, and there was a different difference
in the strata of the earth there the soil which
over a period of fifty sixty years, with the wind
we have and the dust and sandstorms would probably cover
up whatever was there. And I believe he found this
stuff in what he called an handheld or something like that.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Right, some of the debris was actually surprisingly close to
the surface.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
It'd be interesting to follow it see what he comes
up with.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, Chris, here are a load of related questions from
our listeners.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
You want to cover a few of them, Okay, I will.
The first one comes from one of our moderators who
tends to be on the skeptical side of things, and
Angelo is it's quite a thinker. He asked good questions.
And his question for you, Dennis, is have you ever
lied about your credentials?

Speaker 5 (55:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Sure, he says, I asked this only half seriously. Okay,
that we just needed to get that one out of
the way.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
There are certain people that have and when I say
civil engineering background, I don't say I'm a civil engineer.
I was a civil engineering technician. I did quality control
and quality assurance and materials that we used to build
highways and bridges. I went to Korea in nineteen seventy
one to inspect structural steel for a bridge over Lake Austin,

(55:38):
and I went to South Africa three times in ninety
one and ninety two to inspect steel for a bridge
over the Houston Ship Channel. So I'm careful in that
I don't say I was a civil engineer. I say
I worked in civil engineering, right.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
But some people do have I think some egoic problems
in the field, and they tend to feel the need,
for some reason to embellish their credentials or their educational background.
Of course, we are going through a bit of a
controversy now with quite a well.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Known I've heard Stan retort to as doctor Freedman, and
he corrects them real quick because he's got a bachelor's
and a master's in physics.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
You know, I kind of wonder, though, you know, one
of the things here I guess that people are concerned
about is why don't we question people who claim to
have advanced degrees?

Speaker 4 (56:26):
But you have to think about it. Millions and millions.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Of people have bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, quite a few
have doctorates. It doesn't guarantee that you're smart. It guarantees that.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
You passed the test.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
That would be one of the reasons why people don't
question it. They say, well, she says he has a
degreat big deal.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Yeah, a lot of them with masters have no common sense.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, they don't give degrees for that. And that's kind
of something you have to have.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
You really need to start telling you what I think.
I guess you think you guys, because you really deal
and get in in deep with some of this stuff.
And again, I apologize if I'm coming across long, but
you know I've got some really deep feelings about some

(57:13):
of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Well, we want you to say what you're going to say.
Let it all hang out. I mean, we've had a
lot of areas here.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
That's where we're sure if we're going to get to
the bottom of these mysteries, we have to let it
all hang out, you know, like you're talking about Roswell
and a lot of people say, wow, you know what
Roswell has done that been there all at we shouldn't
talk about it. But the same rumors, the same incorrect information,
gets repeated year after year, and if you don't bring

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it back and try to do a bit of a
reality check, it's just going to go on and go on,
and with all those websites, it gets worse.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Once the rumor gets out there.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, once the rumor spreads.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Geene, you you've had me on before, you know how
I am and Chris, you and I have done conferences together,
so we know each other well. And I think you
know to me, I have that on my website, always
always telling the truth and he's never having to remember anything.
And I've tried to live with that.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, some people say I remember some people I don't
remember anything anymore anyway that you know.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I'm too old for this. I'm really as old as
the hills.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Spratt Steiger says, I was here before the dinosaurs ruled
the earth. We're talking to Dennis ball Phaser. The co
host is Chris O'Brien. I'm Gene Steinberg. You're in the
Para Cast.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Hi, this is Tracy Tormey, screen write a producer. You're
listening to the Para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Radio listener questions front and center. I'm the para cast
with Gene and Chris Dennis ball Phaser as a guest.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
We have some more questions.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I know from are forums at forumedforpowercast dot com.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Chris Yeah. Angelo goes on to you know again he
is rather skeptical, a very grounded guy. And this second question,
other than the kind of semi humorous first question, is
about Roswell. He says, I find the Project Mogul explanation
to be plausible and satisfactory. Why would anyone not? That's

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kind of a softball question for you, Dennis, but will
you want to handle it?

Speaker 5 (59:29):
They should have probably stayed with the Mogul story because
people were starting to believe that, and then they came
out with this f and nine report that it was
Answer promorphic crash test dummies and a mobile balloon that
was used to check the Russians to see if they
were doing nuclear testing. On the latter, the Russians didn't
do any nuclear testing until nineteen forty nine, two years

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after the incident. On the Answer promorphic crash test dummies,
they weren't used till nineteen fifty three, six years after
the incident happened. As for the mobile balloon, most critics
and debunkers talk about flight number four. Flight number four
was canceled because of weather, and when it was canceled

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that meant that the balloon was filled with helium and
had to be released, But all the equipment was taken
off of it when the pictures were taken. In General
Ramey's office, there is not one piece of equipment laying there.
It's a piece of weather balloon. And one of the
things I discovered on one of those pictures with General
Ramy and Colonel Debos if you look closely at the picture,

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and I don't look for pretty faces when I look
at a picture, if you look closely at that picture,
back against the wall by the chair is an unopened package,
which is probably some of the debris that Jesse Marcel
Major Marcel brought to Fort Worth from Rossmo. Secondly, the
brown paper laying on the floor that the weather balloon

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is laying on is off of a new roll of paper.
There are no creases in it, meaning that if anything
was wrapped in it, there would have been wrinkles in
the paper. It looks like Butcher's paper. It's probably yard wide.
It's brown paper, but that is off of a brand
new role. So the whole picture was a stage picture.
What Marcel took to Fort Worth was not shown in

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the picture. None of the equipment from a Mogul balloon,
the Sana buiz radar or anything or in the picture.
So where was that stuff when the pictures were taken
if it was a Mogo balloon. But the main thing
that David Rudiak has done a lot of research on
it's the fact that that flight number four was canceled.
We have the records from nearly all, if not all,

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of the Mogul balloon flights launched from al mcgorda, White
Sands and Roswell. That balloon would have taken over a
month to get to the crash site and it wasn't
anywhere close.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Now, good, good answer on that. How about Ron Riguerre's
work on the actually sussing out the writing on the
memo in Ramy's hand? Are you somebody with that word?

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Yeah, the memo is probably we're guessing a teletype, probably,
but I don't know if it's from Washington to Ramy
or if it's from Ramy to Washington. But he was
definitely not aware that the writing, the print on that
piece of paper was facing the camera. And David rudyag
again and several others, but David mainly has done some

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research on that. They've enhanced the picture and where you
can basically read what's on there, and the words victims
of the wreck are very clear. There's about seven lines
of type writing. David's still working on that and I
think as we get better equipment they'll be able to
look more closely at what's written there. It's vague, it

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takes some imagination, but the victims, there's only six words
in the English language that have those letters victims, violin, virgin,
and the others. Victims is the only one that really
fits with that. And as some mentioned about a weather
balloon cover story, so that may be a smoking gun

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if we can ever get better analysis of the actual document.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Okay, I'm another question from Angelo. If you needed to
convince someone that UFOs are not something that humans have created,
which case would you put forth? Keep in mind, so far,
nothing I've seen has convinced me that UFOs are anything
but misidentified a human aircraft or a natural phenomenon. And
also please keep in mind that despite my skepticism, I'm

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from the Carl Steigen type of school. In case you're wondering,
I am open minded. I just don't jump to the
conclusion of aliens or other paranormal explanations. And before you
answer that, I want to mention the these so called
fireball videos that have been shown here over the past week.
I think one was from Mexico, the other was from
somewhere down south. And I'm telling you people, I mean,

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all you have to do is look at that thing.
See that it's an airline or some sort of four
engine jet or two engine jet, possibly headed away from
you to the west into the setting sun. To me,
it's just so ridiculously obvious that these are high flying
planes that are just at an oblique angle to the eyes.
So what do you need to convince somebody that UFOs

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are not something that we've created? Which case would you
put forth?

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
That's a good question. Ninety to ninety five percent of
what people see are explainable. Their airplanes, their balloons, their clouds,
their planets, things like that. Many of them may mate. However,
the other five percent, it's what we're interested in. But
with the hubble telescope, and with what we know about

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the universe, which is very little, I cannot be egotistical
enough to think that we're the only thing in this universe.
I have nothing I can give you to prove what
I'm saying. But I'm a Christian, which makes surprises a
lot of people. And I think if you believe that
God created everything, that's the end of the story. That's everything.

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And it doesn't say anything in the Bible that we're
the only thing He created. So I go with that
as far as my Christianity, but I just cannot make
myself believe that we if we're the only thing God created,
I think he screwed up because he could have done
a lot better than what he's done with us humans.
We're the only species on the planet that can't get

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along with each other, whether it be by race, or boundaries,
or nationalities or whatever. And a lot of times I'm
asked why don't these aliens communicate with us? And my
response is why would they want to? We have nothing
to offer them. I don't go out in the backyard
and talk to insects. And if they can get here

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from wherever they're from, they have technology and knowledge that
we can't even comprehend. I think it's been going on
for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. You know, I've seen
and have written articles about the tapestries and artwork from
the thirteenth and fourteenth century where the artists depict what
appears to be UFOs and their artwork. So this is

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not something new. It's not just Rosslow. It's been wrong
for much longer than Roslow. And I think they may
be watching us to see that we don't self destruct,
or as far as Rosswow, we did the atomic we
tested the atomic bomb one hundred miles south of Rosswell,
they may have been sitting out there and wondering what

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are these clowns up to. We don't want this stuff
out here. So, you know, I just can't make myself.
I can't convince myself that we're the only thing there is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Well, I think, if anything, human beings are are detrimental
to this wonderful biodiversity that we have on this planet,
and possibly the visitors are more interested in the planet,
in the biodiversity than they are in us, because we're
the single most detrimental thing to that biodiversity.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Right, I agreeve it that in twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Seventy seven AD, the vaticant I guess at the behest
of Thomas Aquinas met a group of scholars and they
came up with the Many Worlds Edict, which stated very
early on that there was no real limit to the
creative power of God, if you will, or the Creator,

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and that all possibilities fell within that creative process. Now
not many people know this, but it's almost like the
at least the Roman Catholic Church was preparing itself and
its congregation for the possibility of discovering other life forms
out there. And of course at that point we pretty

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much thought the world was flat. We didn't know about
the new world. So it seems like some of the
religious you brought up your Christian faith, it seems like
there has been some movement down to the ages to
prepare the great unwashed ass is for something again, to
discovering other intelligent life.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
So let me prepare the unwashed masses for this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Guest is Dennis Ballfaser and next week Neighbors, you hear
from the One and the Only Don Ecker. I'm Geene Steinberg.
Chris O'Brien's the co host. You're in the para cast.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Third seven the author and the others, and you're listening
to the Paracast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
We're back with Dennis Ballfaser, the Truth Seeker at Roswell.
The co host is Chris O'Brien. I'm Jeene Steinberg.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
You're in the Power Cast. Chris, you were continuing that discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Well, I just wanted to point out that there have
been a creative thinkers down to the ages that have
looked at the possible of discovering intelligent life and how
that would impact people's religious faith. And Thomas Aquinas, of course,
was responsible for bringing the Aristilian logical sort of scientific

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worldview into the Roman Catholic Church. And I think that
the churches and belief I think are going to play
a very important part in any sort of disclosure process
if and when something as pipe dreamish as that takes place.
But I'm going to continue now another question from Angela.

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It's one hang on man.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
I'm glad you brought up the Vatican, because most people
don't realize the Vatican has the largest UFO library in
the world. They also have three gigantic telescopes, one in Arizona,
one at the Vatican, and another one. Human minds are
pretty limited and you know, the Vatican came out here
a couple of years ago. One of the month singers

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saying that he definitely believes that life does exist out
there somewhere, and most scientists when they talk about life
in the universe, they say it doesn't exist as life
as we know it. Someone tell me, where in the
rule book does it have to be life as we
know it? They may call in their stomach and brief

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a furic acid for all I know. But again, I
think we're limited by human mind the knowledge that we have.
We don't basically accept anything that we're not familiar with,
and we need verification on anything we do, and that's
where science comes in. But to say that you know
life as we know it, I think that's limiting it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I agree, well, I agree totally on that. Again, I
think that it's going to come from a grassroots upswelling
of interest and in demanding answers from government. I think
that just to look at the potential disclosure process that

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I think all these countries around the world that are
slowly releasing UFO documents are doing so to take the
heat off the US because I think private industry, aerospace,
obviously Department of defense is sitting on some information. I
don't think they know the answers personally, I seriously doubt.
I think they're more confused than we are, because they

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know more.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Any sort. There's a lot to do that. I think
we we give so many countries financial assistants, so if
they come up with something on UFOs, we can put
a clamp on them and say, look, you know, we
don't need to give you money anymore if you go
public or something. I think we have a control over
what is released, and I think that's that's pretty pretty big.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, they're not releasing the good stuff. I would assume.
I think that there is though a controlled release going on.
Like I said, my personal hunch is that it's being
done to take the heat off the US. But again,
I think disclosure is a pipe dream. I've always said this.
I think that even if they did disclose, you know,

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in an upfront manner, how would you believe them. They've
been lying for sixty four years. I mean, how do
you believe an habitual liar? I mean it's virtually impossible.
So it's like looking at the work of an investigator
who embellishes his credentials. It calls all his work into question.
There may be some wonderful things in there, but you're
going to have to take it with a block assaults.

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So the same goes for the government in disclosure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Besides why I believe the government anyway, nobody believes the government.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
I do want to mention and I did nothing but
complain about documentaries and things like that a while ago.
But the History Channel contacted me and they're going to
be here August third to do some filming and I'm
going to give it another shot. They got the show
coming up. I don't know when it layer, but they've
asked to do an interview with me, and I have

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a lecture coming up in Kansas City, Missouri, the end
of August twenty seventh. August for myself, I'm going to
be the keynote speaker, understand, and grand Cameron baby ziegelmar
Or Campbell, Margy Ky and Chogzakowski are going to be
on the same venue and that's at the Unity Temple

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in the Plassa in Kansas City, Missouri and August twenty seventh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
So you're still in the saddle though, You're still out
there doing the hard work and slogging away that's good,
you're not totally just disenchanted.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Well, my webmaster and my wife have been after me
for years to write a book, and I probably could
take all my editorials. I've got some sixty editorials I've
written that have been going out at UFL magazine and
thirty one websites. I could probably combine them and make
a book out of it. I just never have got
around doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Well, if you do, I do know of a great
print on demand publishing company right here in Arizona. And
they even't fulfill the orders for you. You don't have
to carry stock, so we can discuss that offline. But
I'm glad you're optimistic.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I kind of think that a lot of us have felt,
from one time or another to give this thing all up.
But I think the other question before Chris goes back
to our listener questions, is all right, we're looking at
UFOs as a singular phenomenon, but by excluding other kinds
of presentations at these events, these conventions, whatever, are we

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also saying that there can be no connection between the
UFOs and so called other paranormal events.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
I don't believe that a card reader is going to
have any bearing on whether UFOs exist or not. I
don't think. I just can't. I can't get into it.
There's no scientific backing for it. Traumas, card readers, psychics.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So the channelers, So the channelers don't have a leg
to stand on. They can't and get some ascended master
to give us all the secrets of the universe.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
Then yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that
they're not ballet, that they don't have some purpose, But
I just personally cannot put them on the same venue
with the Stanton Friedman's, the John Greenawal Juniors, the Travis
Waltons and things like that. It's just it's a personal thing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
What about UFO abductions?

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Two of them that I put a lot of confidence.
Of course, as Travis. I met him several times and
convinced that Travis Walton experienced something. Betty and Barney Hill,
I know Kathleen or the niece of Betty Hill. I
think that was a valid case there. But those probably

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are two of the only ones that I'm familiar with
that I put a lot of confidence in. I think
some of these people are experiencing something. I don't know
that the Green or if they're hallucinating that those two,
particularly Travis. I've had many, many conversations with Travis Walton,
and you can just look at that man's face and
know that he experienced something. I can't say that he

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had an abduction. I don't know that, but he's passed
a lie detector tests and he's just the type person
that to me is believable.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Well, here's a question, the last one from Angelo, again
one of our skeptics, and it's a question that I
get all the time, and so I'm going to ask
it of you, a question that I like to hear
asked of every UFO researcher. Is so many cameras, so
few good images? Why are there no good daytime UFO
videos or photos? My guests in the day things are

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less likely to be misidentified, which I think accounts for
the vast majority of UFO reports. What are your thoughts
on this, Dennis? Why don't we have more good quality images?
We do have some, but how come with all these
camquarders out there, with all these video capable phones, why
don't we have more visual evidence from daytime?

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
That's a great question. You know a lot of times
you get a picture or you get a video and
it's blurry, it's not a clear shot. Many times there's
no reference to anything as far as scale size. I
don't know that I can answer the question, because I
think it's a valid question. The Chicago thing at O'Hare

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Airport was one that I was interested in, where this
thing appeared over the O'Hare airport and then shot up
and punched a hole in the cloud and the s gone.
There was a lot of people shut up over that
and told not to talk about it. The Phoenix lights
years ago were one hundreds, maybe thousands of people did

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videotape something. I'm afraid I don't know. I don't have
an answer for why there's not a good image taken
some Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Well, hopefully this will change and we'll get some incredible
footage from somebody's cell phone. Here in the not too
distant future. Cell phone footage is very difficult to fabricate,
and and so I'm looking forward to the day when
we do have a scenario where our ability to capture

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data visually overwhelms the mystery.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
I think that what's the There's a computer program too
that can can take things and make almost anything out
of it. I came to call the name of it.
But you know, you got to really look at photographs.
Bruce mccabee does a lot of good work on photographs
and analysis of them. There was a guy in Arizona

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I knew one time that did some but we just
don't have a good clear photograph of anything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
We'll get into more of those discussions. We get into
more of those discussions in a moment. Dennis Ballfaser joining us.
Chris O'Brien's the co host. I'm Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 6 (01:19:05):
You're in the Paracast.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Welcome back to the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
And now here's Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
On the final hour of the power Cast with Gene
and Chris talking to Dennis Ballfhaser.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Dennis, where's your.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Website www dot Truthseeker at roswell. That's all one word
in the word at at Truthsecret at roswell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Dot com, Truthsecret roswell dot com. If you click on
Dennis Ballfhaser's name over at the powercast dot com, you
go there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Magically we beam you up.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
By the way, you guys are doing a really good
job when pronouncing ball Flazer.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Okay, good that's important to get the guest name right.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Forty nine years in radio, well, I had to carry
cards so know how to spell it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Well. We have a bunch of questions here, several of
which you've already answered. There's a question about Annie Jacobson's
new book about Area fifty one. Some there's a question
about Black projects possibly being misidentified as UFOs. I've always
said that if I was driving in the desert back
in nineteen eighty and a stealth fighter flew over and

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I had my CD player on, I couldn't hear the
jet engines, I would have reported the UFO because they
just were very spooky looking. They still are today spooky looking,
but imagine not being aware of their existence and have
one fly over you. How many sightings do you think
could be attributed to potential Black Project type craft.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Well, I think there's a lot, particularly in the Western
United States, White saying Area fifty one Edward's Air Force Base.
We have a lot of room out here to play.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
We've seen S sixteens and f eighteens flying down on
the deck out here in the desert, and there's just
a whole lot of room to do what they want.
To do out here with anything new, And you know
the being two bummer, the left one seventeen Stealth which
is no longer in service. At certain angles, those things

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look almost exactly like a UFO. So misinterpreting what is
being seen goes back to the ninety percent that is explainable.
And I think a lot of what people see it's misidentified,
and I think it's probably our own steff most of it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Yeah, I would definitely agree with my experience in Colorado.
Right next to a low flight military training area, a
low altitude training area, there are who knows what we
have in the pipeline that's you know, ten to fifteen,
even possibly twenty years away from being disclosed publicly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
But raises the other question about Roswell, Chris and Dennis,
and that is, if we recovered an alien aircraft in
nineteen forty seven, and granted we didn't have the technology
then to maybe understand what a civilization hundreds or thousands
of years ahead of us might do, are there any
examples of that alien technology anywhere? And I guess we

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can set aside Philip.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Corso, or should we set aside Philip Corso?

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
I knew Philip Corso. I met him here at Rosswell
three times. Really liked a guy as a person little
bit by guy. Heck of a personality. I read the
book day after Rosswell, couldn't put it down. I went
page after page after page. But when you get to
the back of the book, there is not one reference. Now,

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Bill Burns of UFO magazine wrote, part of the book,
we don't know how much, Yeah we do. Bill. Bill
had some ideas that to me made a lot of sense,
but the fact that he had no references bothered me.
And again, I'm going back to confirmation and validity of

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this information. So he mentioned microchips coming from the rospel Craft.
One of the things, lasers, microchips, night vision, things like that.
Well we know who. Microchips were invented by a guy,
a Texas instrument. He got the Nobel Peace Price for it.

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So I questioned that. But the way Corso explained it
was that he gave that information to industries and they
didn't know where it came from. We were already working
on night vision because we had captured night vision from
the Germans, the old red night vision, and then all
of a sudden we had this green night vision we

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used today. So I have a lot of questions about
Corso's information and whether he wrote it or whether the
build burnchrodered. I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Well, there's there's a way to find out, Dennis. Well,
if you go to the open Minds website. They have
made available the original Corso manuscript that I guess Bill
burns and took and put his stamp, a creative stamp
on it, and there are quite a bit of differences
between the two. I've done a little bit of digging

(01:24:24):
on the you know, the Corso story, and found that
he was not happy with the embellishments that were that
were put into the final published version of the theft Roswell.
So if you're interested in looking in comparing versions, open
Minds has made available the Corso original manuscript. Another thing

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that you're involved with is your work in Egyptology and
the Great Pyramids, and we have a number of questions
that talk about your involvement in that type of research.
Do you want to give us an overview of how
you got involved in investigating these incredible structures and John de.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Salbo is head of the Advisory Board of the Great
Pyramids of Giza and Apparently he had been on jeffr
Incis radio shows sightings on the radio and was talking
about this, and somehow ET's came up connected to pyramids,
and I think Jeff recommended to get a hold of me,

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and he did, and he said that he'd like for
me to join the advisory board. This is several years ago.
They consist of about thirty different gentlemen from around the world,
from Italy, France, Ukraine. Most of them are Egyptologists and
physicists and high educated people. And then they stuck this

(01:25:52):
old UFO research around there also. And I can't rule
out the possibility of an ETA connection somehow, because I'm
convinced of the three Pyramids of Giza, and I'm not
talking about the other eighty or ninety pyramids in Egypt,
but the three in Giza, the Big Three and the Sphinx,
I'm convinced are much older than the Egyptian civilization.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Why are you convinced to that?

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Well, primarily because of the Sphinx and the deterioration on
the back of it. The Sphinx was covered in sand
up to its neck until the eighteen hundreds. Nobody even
knew there was a body in the bottom of that sphinx,
and when it was uncovered, it was discovered that there's
water damage erosion on the back not caused by wind

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and sand. There hadn't been not amount of water in
that part of the world for ten or fifteen thousand years,
which predates the Egyptian civilization. Another researcher that I know
found evidence of salt water pretty far up on the
inside of the pyramid, indicating that there was a tremendous
amount of water there at one time. One of our researchers,

(01:27:03):
Stephen Mueller, has done some research and talked to an
individual in Egypt who has the history of different civilizations
that have lived there, and he talks about an organization
or civilization known as Commissions Khemi Tiam who lived in
North Africa about ten thousand years ago. They were a

(01:27:27):
black civilization primarily controlled by females and supposedly had contact
with star people. Now I'm not saying that ET's built
the pyramids, but I am saying that the technology could
have come from there. The theories that the Gyptologists use
on how the pyramids were built, they talk about a

(01:27:49):
ramp to take the stones up. We're talking four hundred
and fifty feet in the air, stones away anywhere from
two to seventeen tons each. I did some calculations on
that and I wrote an editorial. It's on my website
in the editorial section. That rant would have to be
a minimum of thirteen hundred feet long, and every lift

(01:28:12):
that it went up it would have to be widened
at the bottom in order to carry the load. To
get up. There would be more material in the ramp
than there is in the pyramid, and I don't know
where they would have got the wood to make the
rollers for the carrier pulling the stones up on top.
The other method of building it is talking about going

(01:28:33):
around the pyramid and the spiral to get to the top.
In any case, we're talking very very large stones. And
most Egyptologists say that it took twenty or thirty thousand
people twenty or thirty years to build.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
And I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
We can't get twenty thousand people these days to do
anything for twenty or thirty minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
But that's another story.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
In fact, these days, getting two people to agree on
something is difficult. We have Dennis Ballphaser. The co host
is Chris Brian. I'm Gene Steinberg. You're in the Power Cast.
So the theory is, Daniz that twenty or thirty thousand
people got together for twenty or thirty years to build
the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Now you're talking two and a half million stones. At
that rate, they would have to set the stone every
ninety seconds, and that meant quarrying the stone miles away
from where the pyramids are, shaping them, loading them on
a barge, bringing them up the Nile River, transporting him
across to the side of the pyramids. It's a mathematical impossibility.

(01:30:33):
The other theory that I've heard about was that they
filled up each lift with water and field it and
then lifted it up like a barge. So you know,
we don't know here. Again, just like Roswald, we don't
know who built them, when they were built, or how
they were built. One of the big stories that we
hear is that it was built for Cufu, pharaoh of
the fourth dynasty. The only thing they have ever found

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about Kufu is a three inch statue which is in
the Cairo Museum let Us, located miles away from what
pyramids are. So if this was built for Kufu, why
was there nothing in there for the afterlife like it
was for all the other pharaohs. The Arabs were the
first to go into pyramids and eight ninety a d
and the only thing they found was an empty coffer,
an empty box. They had not found anything for the afterlife,

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which would have to be there for the pharaoh, as
was customed for any pharaoh that was buried back in Egypt.
So we had a lot of questions about the pyramids too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
This leads me to a question from Michael Allen, who
he's been one of our foreign posts for about a year,
and he quotes you from your website. Dead pharaohs don't
need air, so why were airshafts built in? And he
proposed an answer to that question that you post. He says,
I proposed the air shafts were probably put in for
those living, breathing beings who were lowering the bodies into

(01:31:49):
the depths. Would this be an acceptable alternative explanation. I
think you kind of were addressing that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Well. Those airshafts align with certain stars, certain constellations, perfectly
asked to the three Pyramids, who are in alignment the
same as Orion's belt in the constellation of Orion. The
engineering involved with the building of the pyramids is something
that we can't duplicate today. I mentioned earlier that I've
involved with building some pretty big bridge structures for the

(01:32:17):
Texas Highway Department. The last job we had was a
twelve hundred foot spain between columns, and we were all
three feet when they got to the middle. We cut
a piece of steel, dropped it in, and that was it.
The pyramids are off a quarter inch on each side.
They had not sunk into the earth over two thousand,
four thousand, six thousand years, so there has to be

(01:32:37):
some sub based material there that is capable handling that weight.
And what you see today is not the original pyramid,
because the original pyramids were covered with polish limestone, which
when the sun reflected off them, were visible from the moon.
Most of the researchers I've dealt with believed that the
pyramids rebuild as energy machines and not to be used

(01:32:58):
as a fire burial places.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I have another question about your interest in Egyptology from Zilo,
who's a long time poster here at formed dot theparacast
dot com, regarding your research into the Pyramids and Egyptology
in general. Dennis, what does the fall of the government
of Egypt do to the research that is taking place now?
Also with the resignation of Ohiowas, will this allow research

(01:33:24):
to continue in the same vein that it has been continuing,
or is there hope to further research and explore new
areas without worry of interference or I would add towing
the you know, the conventional line that highwas has maintained
all through the decades that he's been involved there. So
what is the state of Egyptology now with new Egyptian

(01:33:46):
government in Hiawa's getting potentially busted for antiquities of violations
and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Well, the name how Is makes him sick to my stomach.
For one thing, you have to understand the tourism is
big business in Egypt, and for someone like me or
someone on our board to come out and say that
the three Pyramids of Egypt and Giza probably were not Egyptian,
it's not going to sell well because of tourism. Howis

(01:34:15):
just recently appointed himself to a lifelong position. He's head
of Antiquities, and I will not watch a show that
has Hows on it because I don't believe a word
the guy says. I think he's on the take for
the tourism industry. He has been on just nearly every
Egyptian documentary that's been made. But I think I understand

(01:34:35):
that now they are charging a tremendous amount to be
able to go in the pyramid. I think the sphinx
has got a fencer on it where you can't get
up a little close to it anymore. So the tourism
industry is pretty much taking it over. There was a
time not too long ago when we wanted to get
into the paw of the Sphinx because as a void

(01:34:56):
in there, we know, we did some ground penetrating radar
and we found a bod inside there, and we believe
that there may be information on how the Pyramids were
built or about Atlantis inside there, and so far we've
not been able to get access in there. Follows us
done a lot to restrict good research as far as
the Pyramids, and we were hoping that he would retire,

(01:35:18):
and since he hasn't, we don't know what the future
holds as far as trying to get more information.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Okay, it was just another roswell question that I missed
about it being some super secret terrestrial technology that's been
that was covered up. I'm kind of beating that horse
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
We can't beat those horses, so let's look past, you know,
the repetitive roswell questions.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Well, my questions about you know, I've always been fascinated
obviously with the Pyramids and other megalithic structures. What are
your theories in terms of could these structures actually be
proof in some way, shape or form of some sort
of intervention by technological outsiders? For lack of a better term,

(01:36:09):
I cringe at the extraterrestrial hypothesis, So I tend to
try to couch everything in general terms. But do you
think with you know, you mentioned the impossibility of laying,
you know, one of these blocks every ninety seconds, with
the prevailing theory and the lintil, what is it the

(01:36:32):
I think there's a stone at Baalbeck in Lebanon that's
so large, I forget how many. It's almost a thousand tons,
if memory serves me correct, that we couldn't even lay
today with modern super heavy duty equipment to lift a
stone of that size. How do you think megalithic structures

(01:36:52):
were created? Do you think that they were completely terrestrial
in their origin in terms of the technology involved, or
do you think we're we're we have yet to discover
some sort of knowledge that ancient man had, Let's say,
to levitate stones for instance, has been a pavailing theory,

(01:37:13):
or do you think that there's there's some outside influence
that has helped us in these in these constructions.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
Well, you've got Easter Allen, You've got the incas of Miyons,
you've got Stonehenge. Those are all structures that were built
hundreds or thousands of years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Ago, and we'll have to get into more of those
mysterious structures if they are mysterious. With Dennis Spallfhaser progressing
beyond Roswell and to other interests. But first a reminder.
If you'd like to have your question read to our
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Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
We'll ask them on the air. I'm Geen Steinberg. The
co host is Chris O'Brien. You're in the para Cast.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
This is eacularly. You're listening to the Paracast, the gold
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Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
So did et build the Great Pyramid? Ancient civilizations? What
about the Easter Island? All that other stuff. We have
Dennis Ball Phaser to try to unearth the mysteries and
help provide answers. I'm Geene Steinberg. The co host is
Chris O'Brien, you're in the power cast, Dennis. Let's continue
in that thing.

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
Okay. If you look at the tools that the Egyptians had,
they were copper tools. And there's been attempts to duplicate
the building of the pyramids. I know Nova several years
ago they tried to build a pyramid and use modern
day equipment and couldn't do it. The Ukrainian researcher on

(01:39:22):
our board Vlatimer Kossimovitz, and I love it when I
can say that he has done some work in the
Ukraine former Russian area with the Russian Engineering Group and
they have built some pyramids there and he has discovered
that bacteria doesn't grow inside the pyramid. And we've heard
the story about razorblade stained sharp for a long time.

(01:39:46):
There's some form of energy produced by pyramids in general.
And Joe Parr spent two nights on top of the
Great Pyramid on two different occasions with some equipment and
did some testing and he believed so the bubble around
the pyramid that coincides with the eleven year sunspot cycle,
he is convinced that it is built as an energy

(01:40:08):
machine of some sort. One of the pyramids has got
a flat top. It has never finished, and that's where
he spent the whole night on two different occasions doing
his testing. There's just so much mystery around the pyramids
because there's no record, and the Egyptians were good at
keeping records of nearly everything that we've not been able
to find any information on how they were built, who

(01:40:32):
build them, and for what purpose. Now the fact that
they had these polish limestone coverings on them which were
all taken off by the Arabs and used to build
mosks and temples and stuff like that. There's only one
pyramid that still has any in that's up near the
top of it, one of the second largest one. So
you know, what you see today is not what was

(01:40:53):
there originally. We have to go back past the Egyptian
civilization because of the equipment that they had and the technology.
They were smart people, there's no doubt about that, but
I don't believe that they were the ones that were
responsible for building those three. Now, the other pyramids in
Egypt are poor repicus, and I think that the three

(01:41:16):
of Geesa stand out over those others, and there's probably
eighty or ninety other pyramids in Egypt. But I also
think there's still a lot, a tremendous amount of structures
that are below the same that haven't been discovered yet.
So I think in the years to come, I think
there'd be more information coming out. Hopefully we'll finally hear

(01:41:37):
or learn how they were built and who build them.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
How would you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
If we had an advanced civilization here on Earth ten
thousand years ago whatever, and for whatever reason that civilization
vanished gone. I mean, consider our civilization ten thousand years
from now. Something happened and all went away right now,
maybe some global catastrophe. Would we do you have any
evidence of anything?

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
Not at the rate we're going. But here again, you
can get into the extraterrestrials too, if they can get here.
You know, our technology has transpired over the last what
fifty hundred years, particularly the last thirty years, and you
know where are we going to be fifty or one
hundred years from now. So if extraterrestrials were able to

(01:42:24):
get here, their knowledge is possibly thousands of years ahead
of us. So there wouldn't be any communication between the
two of us because they're just too far advanced for us.
And I don't know what we would leave really right now,
I don't know anything that really would be worth leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Well, a lot of plastic will be scattered around the environment,
that's for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Sure, all those iPads and those iPhones that's aluminum.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
Well, you know there are places on Earth today in
the jungles and stuff. When people see an airplane, they
don't have the idea what it is the first time
they ever saw an airplane. If they're exposed to some
of the modern technology we have, they have no idea
what it is. So, you know, would Columbus have known
what an iPod is or anything like that? So I

(01:43:13):
think it's something we have to look at.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
Well, isn't that part of the thing that we have
trying to understand? Roswell?

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
If we have the wreckage and we have evidence of
an advanced civilization, what portion of it would we understand?
I mean, look at the movie Independent State and there's
this area fifty one scene they recover this crash spaceship
back in the late nineteen forties and they can't figure
out what it is after all these years. Of course,

(01:43:39):
you have the crazy scientists played by the same guy
who played Data in Star Trek Next Generation. But the
point there is a valid point, which is, you can
have this thing sitting there, all this evidence of the
super advanced technology.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
How do you get past it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
Well, that's what I said a while ago about you know,
if all we picked up with pieces of a craft,
then trying to put that together and make sense of it.
I don't think they've done that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
You say pieces, Now, wouldn't we assume that most of
the craft, whether together our part was recovered or did it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Sound of it? Just disintegrate What.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
They claim they found were pieces up to about three
to five feet, most of the small pieces. Now, a
few months later, in nineteen forty eight, there was a
crash at Aztec, and not in New Mexico, with a
ninety nine foot craft pretty much intact, thirteen bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Well, wait, wait a minute before you go on, Dennis,
I mean, where do you fall down on the Aztec crash.
There's quite a vocal group out there that believes that
the whole thing was a fabricated story and that there
was no crash at Aztec. Where do you fall down
on that?

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Well? I was the same way for years until I
met Scott Ramsey and his wife Suzanne from North Carolina,
and for the last fourteen fifteen years. He has been
going to Air Force archives in Alabama and many other archives,
and he is starting to put down what he has found,
and he's got a book that will be out probably
later this year or early next year.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
Now I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Mention that before we go on, because we've had Scott
Rams on the show a couple of times. Of course,
your friend Frank Warren, and we've talked about the Aztec thing.
And the problem I have with it, and a lot
of people have, is that we hear about the book,
but it's always vaporware. As they say in software, it's
promised but never delivered. Is it going to really happen
this time.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
It's going to happen? He just keeps sing. I talked
to him the other day and he said he had
gone out to California and talked to Silas's grind daughter
or somebody and got some more information. Said, every time
he's ready to complete the book, he's got another chapter
or another bunch of information to put in it. So
I can't tell you when he's going to come out
with it, but I know he is and I'm looking

(01:45:52):
forward to it every day. And I worked with the
Scott and Suzanne for the last ten to fifteen years.
I guess, and I was of the opinion that asked
think there was nothing. And the more I've telt to
Scott and other people, I believe it did happen, and
that the craft was taken properly to Colorado on the
back roads where nobody knew about it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
So why are so many people dismissive of this case?

Speaker 5 (01:46:17):
Well because all the publicity it got when it first
was made public, and the fact that these guys were
supposedly con artists of some kind. Again, Scott told me
the other day that he's pretty well proven that that
wasn't the case. I can't give you any details of
him what he's told me and emails are on the phone,

(01:46:39):
but I'm looking forward to seeing the book and seeing
what he has to say.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Well, we all are looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
I've told Scott a couple of times that we'll be
happy to have him back on the Power Cast when
the book about Astec comes out, and we want to
also have him debate a skeptic something like Kevin Randall
a reason discussion pro and con once the book is out.

(01:47:06):
Give everyone a chance to have their questions answered on
the Power cast. We'll have our listeners list of questions.
So we'll look forward to seeing the book Scott Ramsey
about Aztec, supposedly coming out late this year or early
twenty twelve, and maybe it's too late in twenty twelve,
we won't be around to worry about it, will he.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
Well, you know he's under the fam impression I had
as far as his research. He's turning down many, many
opportunities to speak. Scott and I were involved, in fact,
help get the Aztec festival or conference going when it
first started back in ninety seven, ninety eight somewhere back then,
and had build it up to be a pretty good

(01:47:47):
conference and had a bunch of good speakers come in
every year. We didn't have a whole lot of the
wu woos.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Well they sure do know, Okay, Well we'll get into
more of woo woo's and not so woo woo. Is
that a phrase or is that a property?

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Sounds like a foreign language gene.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Not so woo woo. Dennis Ballfaser, I'm Jean Steinberg. The
co host is Chris O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
You're in the past. Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
This is Brice Label.

Speaker 7 (01:48:25):
I'm the producer of Dark Skies, the co author of
a d After Disclosure, and you are listening to the
Para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
That is Chris O'Brien's not so Woo Woo voice. He's
the co host. I'm Jeene Steinberg, the host. Our guest
is Dennis Ballfaser from One More Time on the Para Cast,
and we are taking a brief excursion into Aztec territory.
It's controversial and people who even accept Roswell don't necessarily

(01:49:03):
accept as tech. And maybe that's one of the final
few questions we'll go into. Dennis, Why is it then
that ASTEC tends to be more dismissed.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
Well, it hasn't that the publicity from one thing that
Roswell's had for many years, you haven't had the type
researchers involved. I think, like well Stanton was the first
original civilian researcher for Roswell, and Schmidt and Kerry and
David Rudiac myself, we've had a lot of serious researchers

(01:49:35):
working Roswell, whereas with Aztec, I think Scott probably is
going to be I believe Scott will be the authority
on Astec. I really do. I think he has enough
information that he'll present that it's going to give it
a lot of validity, and I think it's going to
make people look at it twice.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Speaking of northern New Mexico, where do you come down
in terms of Dulce? I mean that's I think you
were up there at the at noy Ojaiokawa's an inaugural conference,
if I remember correctly, and there was quite a collection
of researchers that presented there, and we both networked with

(01:50:16):
quite a number of people, including some local Hickory Apache.
Where do you come down on the whole Dulce scenario,
because of course Dulce is just right down the road
from Astec.

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
I really don't know about Doolci. I've heard the stories
for years, and when we had that meeting, that conference,
they all stated the Hickory Apache Best Western, the only
hotel in town. And there's a lot of money been
spent in that little town of Little Cy for the
HICKORYA Apache Reservation is headquartered there and they have some

(01:50:50):
very modernistic schools and buildings and things like that, and
then had this Best Western hotel with the casino in
it out in the middle of nowhere. When we had
the com difference, we had Norio expected twenty thirty people
and we had one hundred and thirty show up, and
we had to move it to twice to get into
a facility that the fire people would let us use.

(01:51:11):
I got the impression from the Native Americans that if
they see something, they pretty much keep it to themselves
because they think it's personal. If they see something in
the sky, they think that's just for them, and they
don't share a whole lot, although some of them that
were at the conference did and talked about craft they
had seen and things like that. But one of the

(01:51:33):
interesting things that happened was the morning of the conference
on a Sunday. We're supposed to start at ten o'clock,
and about eight o'clock we heard yeah, and there was
a black on mark helicopter hovering all over the hotel.
I think he was probably looking at license plates of
the vehicles in the parking lot. But the Hickory Apache
were very upset because they had no idea where the

(01:51:55):
helicopter came from or what his purpose was. They do
have one come in for medical once in a while,
but nothing like that, so that got everybody's attention. I
talked to one guy who said that it's real, but
it's not on the Archileta Masa. Everybody thinks it's somewhere
else close by. And of course they've had a lot
of cattle mutilations as Christmas about up there in that area,

(01:52:17):
and one of the ranchers, in fact, I had to
quit raising cattle because of the mutilations.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Did a good presentation. Manuel Gomez. He was the first
real major presenter at the conference. I was actually impressed
with his documentation, his command of the case, which goes
back to the late seventies, and there's definitely something going
on there. And the revelation that Archiletta masas, I think

(01:52:48):
you could almost consider it potentially as a red herring.
As you mentioned, there was some talk about a facility
being located eighteen miles west of Dulca in the direction
of Astac, kind of halfway between Dulcie and Aztec. And
I don't know anybody that's really a part of the
expression dug into that particular assertion, but so do you

(01:53:13):
feel that there is some sort of facility there, I
regardless of whether it's you know, alien or maybe a
Joint Alien Human Facility. Do you have a sense that
there is some sort of underground facility there.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
I think there there is somewhere, and I think Dulsey
may be a diversionary site for it. I don't know
if you've been on the Masa or not, Chris that
Scott getting back to Scott Ramsey has been up there
several times and he said that there is a place
up there which has got a doorway of some kind
that's been gun aided or concreted over, and there are

(01:53:48):
there's some equipment up there that he says is from
an old mind, which, with my knowledge of underground basis,
that would be an ideal location to start an underground
facility because it wouldn't have to do all the drilling
and already have access to a void in the earth.
So I think maybe there's something to it. Til Schneider's
story is of interest to me, but many have tried

(01:54:10):
to disprove that, and I don't know if there's any
validity to Schneider's story about the firefight and things like that.
New Mexico is just full of stuff that people don't
know anything about. You have Los Alamos, San Dia, lab
White Sands atomic bombs tested here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
How much of that do you think is related, however,
to situations.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Of test weapons and test equipment aircraft.

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
I think most of the aircraft testing is probably up
at Area fifty one rather than the White Sands or
any of the places here in town here in New Mexico.
But Plush Los Alamos, we don't know what goes on
all of there. One of the things I found on
the underground basis research that really shocked me was at FEMA.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency is heavily involved in underground

(01:54:59):
facilit They started this back years ago as a continued
tier of government for the President and the Congress and
things like that. There's a location in raven Rock, Pennsylvania
that has a complete underground pentagon for all the military
big wigs. The White House has a facility underneath it.

(01:55:21):
The Cheney went during the nine to eleven terrorist attack,
Bush went to Nebraska. He was down south and got
on Air Force one and went to Nebraska and went underground.
Raven Rock is a military greenbriar used to be for
the Congress that's been exposed and now they have a

(01:55:42):
new place somewhere. I haven't found yet. So there's a
lot going on with underground facilities, and it's become necessary
because of satellites. You can't do anything above ground anymore
because you can read a newspaper from two hundred miles up,
and I think anything that's secret to is going to
either be done inside a hangar or a building or

(01:56:04):
either underground. Thus the reason for places like Area fifty
on having twenty two levels below ground, one of the
bases in California forty some levels below ground. White Sands,
I know, has four levels. It did laser testing on
the fourth level that may have seven levels. They'll see
they were talking about seven or nine levels below ground there.

(01:56:25):
So it's become fairly common in most countries are following suit.
They're doing the same thing going underground with all the facilities.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
So of course there are always legitimate reasons why you
might have secret basis because of security.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
National security and all that, but it could also.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Be used as an excuse to cover up other stuff
that isn't so simple to explain. Tell our listeners in
the last minute or so here Dennis Ball phaser where
our listeners can learn more about the things that you do.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
My website truth Seeker at roswell. That's all one were
Truthsacre at roswell dot com and my email addresses on there,
and I usually try to get fifty to one hundred
emails a day and delete most of them. But I
do try to respond quickly to all emails I get.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
He responds, by the way to lots of email's mind
he always deletes. Chris is he answers. You know they
look at my name. They think the name Steinberg is
a synonym for spam.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
And the only spam I know about is that.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
Strange meat, that lunch meat from whrrormale.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Which was actually devised from evidence from Roswell. We got
our recipe for spam.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Chris O'Brien. Where do we find more of your recipes?

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Well, I'm a moderator at forum dot theparacast dot com.
You'll always find me lurking about and occasionally I might
even chime in with some rude comment. But I do
have a website, our Strange planet dot com. And I
want to thank Dennis for you on the show. Dennis,
you're a real trooper. It's always a pleasure when we
run into each other and compare notes and Hey, I

(01:58:07):
think you still have something to offer the field. I
think you should think twice about you know, it's kind
of retiring from the field, and I'm glad to hear
that you're out and about and and doing your you'r
a keynote speaker and masters ceremonies jobs. You did a
great job at angel Fire, and you know, I applaud
your your many years and all your efforts.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And you guys, you
got one of the best shows on the internet and
the radio, and I really appreciate your research as you
do that. I just know all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
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