Classic Episode: June 26, 2011 — Crystal Skulls: Stephen Mehler - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're in the para cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And now here's Genie Steinberg.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So last week, Chris, we were talking about possible time
cops with Nick Redfern, about the am I being being
an agency in the future that returns through time. And
this is a TV show, by the way, in a
movie they go back through time to fix damage to
the time string straighten things out. Except you can fix

(01:00):
the damage in terms of people and objects, but not memories.
You can't change the memories. So you remember something that
happened to you and nobody else has any evidence of it,
like of course mentioning in the last week's show, this
picture of the thunderbird that can't be found. And I
have a specific instance here where my late father's will

(01:21):
is being read by my brother, who was quite a
wealthy man. No longer are with us, but he was
quite wealthy in his latter years, and he says that
when my father died, he was going to put a
sum of money away for my son, not a lot
of money, a small amount of money that would be
in a zero coupon bond. Now I could supposedly, and
some listeners will go along with me, here say, well,

(01:42):
maybe one of the other relatives decided to steal that money.
It wasn't enough. We're talking about a small sum of
money here for my son's education. Several years later, when
it came to the time for this instrument to mature,
nobody remembered this meeting. There's no record, there's nothing in
the will that anybody could find that indicates that my

(02:06):
father left this sum for my son and my son's education.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, I'm not sure if this is a good example
of your theory here.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
But of course the sarcastic theory is that my nephews
or my brother's widow when he died, decided to take
that money. It wasn't enough for anyone to care about
except it would provide a little bit of help for
my son. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, again, I'm not sure if this is you know,
the best example. I think the thunderbird photograph example is.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
What I'm saying is is maybe something in the time
stream is changed, but it affects auxiliary events, even if
they're not totally related. I mean, if you do something
that damages the stream of time, okay, you'd perform some
kind of action. Now the time cops come back. The MENMIB,

(02:58):
the time cops, whatever they are, go back in time.
They reverse the action, but can they possibly reverse the
consequences of the action, people's memories that may be involving
totally unrelated events. It's very complicated.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well, it is very complicated, and of course we have
to suspend our disbelief in terms of, you know, really
going with this hypothesis. First of all, you need to
have some sort of time travel technology, which of course
we know is not you know, a scientifically accepted, uh
you know possibility at this point, it might be a possibility,

(03:35):
but it's it's highly remote. Of course, there are some
some people, uh in the more conspiracy conspiratorial realms, that
think that the US government has stargates and time machines
and and they're working side by side with aliens and
secret underground bases. But I mean, this all sounds great
in a kind of a science fiction sort of context

(03:57):
or motif, but when when it really push comes to
we have zero evidence to support this type of scenario,
and we actually have a lot of evidence that refutes
it in terms of the actual physics that that would
need to be utilized to make these types of things reality.

(04:20):
So you know, we don't know what the level of
our government's technology is or other government's technology. We don't
know what capabilities humans have in regards to accessing wormholes,
folding space and time traveling that sort of thing. So
I think it all you know, is very intriguing, but

(04:41):
for the majority of our listeners, I think it's a
bit of a tough sell.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Also, we have to be aware of the fact that
we're talking about science in the early part of the
twenty first century. What's going to happen a couple of
hundred years from now, what will they know? And then,
if we want to be cynical about it, Okay, my
nephews or my brothers widow decided that my son didn't
need that few thousand dollars for his education, and so

(05:07):
they borrowed it.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, I mean, if it was set up in a
trust or some sort of you know, entity financial instrument,
then they must be very creative to be able to
have access to it.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
My brother, Wallace Herbert Steinberg, if you want to look
him up on Google, he might still be there. He
was an investment banker specializing the healthcare industry, and his
two oldest sons worked for him, meaning of course that
they understood financial instruments and manipulation of money.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Okay, so let's just let that drop, Okay, okay, but
it would be that would be the logical sort of
Oukham's razor. I think answer or maybe I didn't remember
it right, but my wife was there with me.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
She remembered it too. What can I say. I can't
talk about my son because when my father died, my
son was two years of age, so he has no
remembrance of it. He was probably there, but I don't
think he would have anything to report. You know, one
of the most interesting threads in our forums for the
past few weeks since we had Joshua Shapiro to talk

(06:17):
about the Crystal Skull, that thread about that show has
gone on and on, even as we've mentioned it each
and every week. But the biggest thing about it, of course,
is if we're going to seriously look at crystal skull lore,
is that particular guest the person to go to. Is

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he the expert with the evidence and the only thing
that bothered me, As I've said before on the show,
the thing that bothered me is he expects scientists to
disprove all this mysticism about crystal skulls. Not for the
people who believe something is happening. They're communicating with the skulls,
they're getting messages from them. Whatever mystical properties there are,

(07:02):
it's up to them to prove it. Now, since that show,
because there's so much interest, you and I feel that
it's necessary to continue to discuss it and see where
the truth may lie. But you went out to seek
a different sort of guest, someone who had more evidence
to present.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yes, well, you know, today's show is I think going
to be more of a middle of the road approach.
Stephen Mahler has been involved in researching these very enigmatic
objects for decades, and there has been some snitting on

(07:38):
the thread about his mentorr Nick nos Sereno, who was
widely considered to be the most knowledgeable person that we
had to go to about crystal skulls. In fact, I
that was the first call I made once I found
out who the top person, you know who, Nick Noswena
was considered the top person, so of course that would
be my first phone call about this. And Louis Valley

(08:00):
skull that was found which ended up being a hoax
and a glass skull but one of the things that
Stephen he was involved in a documentary project that I
helped co produce, and I was very taken with his
depth of knowledge he is, you know, I think he's
a much more objective person when it comes to viewing

(08:23):
this this whole subject. And I think today's show is
a good follow up to Joshua's appearance because Joshua comes
I think from more from a true believer standpoint, where
Steven is I think a lot more middle of the
road about it. So this is going to be a
very interesting show and I hope it it'll help re
educate folks about what we know about these very enigmatic objects.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
See, that's one of the problems when you get into
things like this where people report unusual experiences or just
people who say, I saw a ghost, here's what happened,
you know, getting the evidence to prove anything but anecdotal
tech simonia is difficult because you have to decide, Okay,
if they did have experience of some sort, does it
originate internally, did they imagine it? Do they have some

(09:09):
kind of problem? I mean, on last week's show, when
Nick Redfern was talking about Albert k Bender, Albert K bender.
Perhaps his three men in Black emerged from being contacted
by the FBI and then confabulating a lot more frightened
him to death, and suddenly he comes up with this
elaborate story of being contacted by et based men in black.

(09:33):
But maybe there was a core of reality, but he
was so traumatized by it that that reality became something
far more than the original experience. And we have to
wonder about some paranormal events. And that's the big problem.
How do we get to the core of the event.
How do we find out if there is a core reality,

(09:54):
if it's an external reality. The quest goes on. Stephen
Mayler coming on the bar.

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Speaker 4 (10:34):
Welcome back to the Paracast and welcome Stephen Mayler. It's
really good to have you aboard for your first appearance
here at the paracast and I'm looking forward to a good,
enlightening conversation.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Thank you, Chris. I'm glad to be here talking to you.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
It's good seeing you back in December too. We'll get
into why you were here. There's a new quite an
impressive skull that has surfaced in a collection.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And we'll cover that a little liar.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Oh it was in March. Okay, right, we'll cover that
a little bit later. But first of all, why don't
you give our listeners some background on you, How you
got involved in crystal skulls and how you're thinking about
them has evolved over the years. Give us a kind
of a thumbnail sketch of your history in this subject.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Sure, my actual background and approach to it is being
that I am a credential archaeologist. I have a couple
of degrees. I've trained in the science and the sciences,
but when I was a graduate student, I really fell
in love with archaeology. My basic interests, as you know,
and listeners will find out if they google me, is
ancient Egypt. I've been studying ancient Egypt over forty three years.

(11:43):
Actually goes back to when I was about eight years old.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
So you know, Paris, upfront and personal.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yes, it goes back to like the summer of nineteen
seventy four, I was fortunately able to work on an
archeological excavation in the south of France. I worked for
one of the world of the leading prehistorians, Professor Francois
Board of the University of Bordeaux, and he taught me
basic archaeology and field geology as well, because he was
a geologist and geology is an important background for the

(12:11):
work that I do. So to come down to the point,
I had a background in archaeology already. I went to
work for the Rosicrucian Order ammark AMRC, which stands for
Ancient Mystical Order Rosie Crusis. I became a staff research
scientist for the Rosekruch order, did lots of work in
parapsychology and the paranormal. And it was in MyCiTy capacity

(12:34):
as a staff research scientist that we were contacted in
the Rosicrucian order in nineteen seventy nine by a gentleman
at San Jose, California. The Rosecrusch order is in Santose
that he had an object that he was willing for
us to investigate that he would like for us perhaps
to even exhibit in the rose Cruscian Egyptian Museum, et cetera,
et cetera. So I was shown some photographs in November

(12:58):
nineteen seventy nine, and that was my first experience what
be came later to be known as the Mayan crystal skull.
We convinced this individual to actually bring the skull in
in January of nineteen eighty and we worked on it
in the Rosicrusian research land. So my approach, Chris, has
been scientific, although I move in both fields as saying

(13:18):
that I work for the Rosicrucians, so that I have
a background in physics and metaphysics and science in the paranormal,
and so that's the only way really that these subjects,
these objects can be approached. But I basically start my
work with a crystal skull as an archaeologist, looking at
it as a possible ancient artifact, and go from there.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, we're going to get into how we tell the
difference and the problems that we have with modern diagnostic
science in terms of examining these artifacts. Why don't you
give us a background on some of your early research
into the subject and give us a sense of how
as a scientist this whole subject captivated you.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
As I said, now you know it starts January of
nineteen eighty, so we're looking at now thirty one years,
which is pretty amazing if you think about it. I
was fortunate in that I was trained by the two
I would consider giants in the field of research. First man,
doctor Marcel J. Vogel, who was a senior chemist scientist
at IBM, also an outstanding rescrus and the man will

(14:17):
mention many times this evening. Fr Nick no Serno, mister
no Sereno, who was the first person to ever get
a credential teaching degree in California in parapsychology. He had
a background in WICCA in crystals. He was the dean,
i say, of crystal scull research. So fortunately I got
to work with two great men who taught me a
lot and how to approach this subject from the both

(14:39):
scientific and metaphysical approach. Both have passed away. It just
happened to be a matter of default that I'm now
one of the senior researchers in the field. So it
began in January of nineteen eighty, this crystal skull was
brought in. I examined it as an artifact. It represented
nothing I'd ever seen before, never having witnessed anything carved
out of crystal like that. And then we called in

(15:00):
Marcel Vogel, and I learned a lot from Marcel Vogu. Basically,
Marcel Vogel has said, we did a lot of research. Now,
what we did in the Rosicrucian research lab is we
did what was called psychometry. Now, psychometry was basically invented
in the modern era by professor J. B Ryan at
Duke University. He's considered to be the father of modern parapsychology.

(15:20):
He began these tests what we're doing with a crystal
sculle because these items have dubious what we call providence,
which means their actual history from whether they were excavated
from a tomb or where they were found. There's very
little documented evidence because these items that we're go into
detail about what we call ancient crystal skulls that may
have come out of Mayan tombs and other tombs are

(15:43):
coming from unofficial excavations that are not reported, so therefore
it's not documentation. So here's where science falls short. We
have what we call an archaeology providence. What does providence mean?
It means you trace an artifact from when it is discovered,
when it is uncovered in an archaeological ex excavation, through
what's called its chain of custody, how it moves, who

(16:03):
documents it, how it's traveling, what museum it works goes to,
or what scientists work on it. So it's a chain
of custody where its movement is tracked. Well, we have
none of that with these crystal skull except one which
I'll talk about later, Nick Nolserrino's own skull. We have
providence on that one, but still that's not official, so
there's no documentation. So therefore we can't go to official

(16:24):
historical records and find out when these things are excavated,
what our gaologies may have thought of them, et cetera,
et cetera. We have to go with what we call
as an unknown. Therefore, we do not know the history
of this object. The only way that we can work
on this is through metaphysical work, through what we call psychometry.
Was someone who claims to have a degree of sensitivity. Now,
when I worked for the Rosicrucian order, we never use

(16:46):
the word psyche. We loathe that term why because psychic implies, Oh,
this person is psychic and this one is not. So
someone who's psychic has a special gift. Now we prefer
to use the word sensitive, a word that we all
can relate to. Were all sensitive. The people who claimed
to be professional at it or are really gifted at
it have utilized these talents all their lives, have enforced them,

(17:08):
reinforced them. So therefore they have these extra sensory ability,
which we call highly sensitive. But we don't differentiate between
everyone else. We all have this sensitivity. So we had
actually people who were registered with the rose Crusch Order
would having proven scientific documentation of a degree of sensitivity.
We brought them in. We did psychometry with this skull.
We had no one present at any of the else's session,

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so there was no pollution. These sessions were recorded, video recorded,
audio recorded. There were also thought. A questionnaire was filled
out by every person. Afterwards. What we would then do
is compare the results of these tests to see if
what we could call us statistically significant events. What does
that mean? Well, anything that's usually above fifty percent better
about sixty percent or seventy percent? What would call Hitt

(17:51):
accuracy rates cannot be attributed to mere chance, So there's
some degree of scientific relevance there. So if someone, for example,
when we work with the first called the Mayan crystal scope,
and it was named so by Nick No Sereno, who
actually was the one who arranged for this skull to
be brought into the state, I can go more detail
about that. A lot of his students working with the
skull so Mayan scene to scene of the Maya Mayan temples,

(18:14):
Mayan tombs. So therefore he called it the Mayan crystal scope.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Are these sensitives, Stephen, or is this just the average
people that there was?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Nis No Serrino worked with highly trained sensitive that he
trained himself. He was a master of masters. Nick No
Serrino was called the teacher of teachers because a lot
of Nick No Serno students went on to become crystal
students themselves, like Dale Walker, one of No Serrino's help
students who wrote the book himself called the Crystal Book, which.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
We have to pursue this in our next segment. Stephen
Mahler joins us. I'm Jeene Steinberg. Chris O Brian's the
co host you're in the para Cast.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
This is Jerome Clark, author of the UFO Encyclopedia and
other books.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
You're listening to the Paracast.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
We're back Stephen Mahler's our guests, and we're studying the
crystal skulls from a far more scientific standpoint than previously.
Chris O'Brien's the co host, Steven. Just a quick question
before we get into the nuts and bolts here, and
that is there are people who listen to the para
Cast who will accept and understand what you say, but
other people are going to wonder about these sensitives and

(19:34):
how we go about validating what they do. What's the process?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Absolute question, and let's just let's just discuss the subject again.
Maybe for those who'll say that they're totally good, Well,
we're talking about crystal scope. We're talking about an object
made out of rock courtz crystal and many different types.
We've seen amethyst, tatrine, smoky courts, but predominantly rock quartz crystal,
either smoky or clear, that are carved into a skull

(19:58):
by who in people's and ancient people, So they will
discuss the difference is that it has to do with
the understanding of forts crystal itself. A whole discussion could
go on tonight with the properties of courts. Why did
they use courtse we'll discuss that, but to the answer
this general question. So what we would do then is
have people who hold the skull work with the skull
that is different weight. There's actually a physical way which

(20:20):
is called scrying, which is an ancient term. You can't
even find it in the dictionary anymore. What it's called
the crystal gazing. This is something that's been gone off
for centuries and centuries. Again in the so called metaphysical
paranormal field.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I think you're going two steps to have what I'm saying,
the person who is a judge to be a sensitive. Okay,
so he's someone who's getting far more than fifty percent
accuracy in demonstrating some kind of psychic ability.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right, Okay, how you would test someone?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Here's the problem. The problem is, of course, that we
have people who understand this. We have people who will say, okay,
if they're so sensitive, contact the amazing Randy and get
his million dollars if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
So it's ten thousand, But you're right, I.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Think it's actually actually deny testing people who could win
the money, So it hasn't been exactly an honest thing.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Let's say that. Okay, say that you come to me
and you say you're highly sensitive. Now how am I
going to know that? Well, we'll test you. How we
test you in the laboratory is with aknown with an
object that we know the history of. We show, we
give you the object, You hold the object. You try
to tune with the object. How a person does psychometry
is try to clear their mind, relax their thoughts, and

(21:27):
get impressions from vibrations from the object. Now this may
sound too far out from people, but let's look it
to a scientific basis. Then the person will say what
they get? Do they see a historical scene? Do they
get names? Do they get an object? Who person? Who
owned this object? We write these things down, we record them.
We then compare it to the known history. How accurate

(21:47):
was this person? Anybody that's over fifty percent, it's considered
to be not statistically, it can be just by chance
it's relevant, but when someone who is classically a gifted sensitive,
it will be seventy five to eighty percent ecress recorded.
You do it with another known you get this person
that there's several different objects. If they continue that level
of accuracy, we consider them to be highly degree sensitive.

(22:09):
And that's someone who would be on a call. Nick
del Sereno had these people in his group called the
Society of Crystals Calls International, that he had personally trained.
We had people on call with the Rosicrucian order who
are known to be this sentence. So in other words,
they had been tested with knowns, so they had come
out with a high degree of accuracy. This is considered
to be scientifically, statistically real. So therefore that's how we

(22:31):
develop a degree of the field of parapsychology. That's how
jb Ryme did it, That's how everybody has done it
since the thirties when this started. There are people who
want to say this is not science. That's their opinion.
In my opinion, it is metaphysical science is the same
as physical.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, let's pursue this a little bit fer Okay, So
these people who've been a judge to have this sensitivity,
they are given access to the skulls. Do they touch them,
do they look at them? Do they meditate? What do
they do?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
All in the above, and we also include anybody who
comes and would want to come off the street and
do that. So now we're not just including your so
called known accurate sensitives. When we did this for the
Rosecution Lab, we called it a lot of rosicrusions. Now,
Rosicrucians in general tend to be more highly sensitive than
the average person. I'd have to go into the history
of the metaphysical or the rosicrution order, the rituals, etcetera, etcetera,

(23:20):
but just to say that in general, a Mason and
a Rosicrucian, someone who deals in metaphysics as a lifestyle
would be naturally more open sensitive than those are not.
So we would have anybody come in, we'd record these things.
We'd have them fill out questionnaires and then see how
relevant they were with each other. In other words, someone
who's working with this mind Christmas called, Now, how would

(23:41):
they do it? They could touch it, Yes, they could
look at it with their eyes open. They could sit
with it, not touch it, just meditate. They could hold
it and meditate with it. They could meditate without holding it,
just to be in the field, just or a presence
of this gum. Everybody has their own style, and I
always like to touch the object and get the vibration.
The Dolserno and Marsovogel. That's how they trained people to

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do that. That she holds the skull, touch the skull,
connect with the crystal itself. You try to clear your mind.
You tried to. There's no music, no sound. We worked
different things with light and color. That's also where you
activate the skulls and sound. So different things were done,
people would get different impressions. We compare the results afterwards.
So in other words, if we get fifteen questionnaires and

(24:22):
eighty percent of those people said they hurt Jungle Cell,
well they saw Mayan headdresses, Well they saw Mayan scenes.
That's statistically relevant. So that's eighty five percent hit, seventy
percent hit. And I documented all these things and wrote
reports on him. And what was more than seventy percent
a hit we considered to be statistically relevant and something
that came out of the skull. Now I could also
discuss with you the scientific theory of Marcel Vogel, how

(24:46):
the skulls actually work, how they do this.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Sure, go ahead, let's talk about Vogel. First of all,
for those of our listeners who aren't aware of who
Marcell Vogel is in terms of crystal studies and crystal research,
he was. He was quite a pioneer and some of
the crystals that he actually made and fabricated are quite valuable. Now,
why don't you give us a little thumbnail on Marcel

(25:09):
Vogel and his work with IBM.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
They're called Vogel cut crystals. In fact, yes, Marcel Vogel
actually got his doctorate in the liquid phosphorth liquid crystal,
so he already there was scientifically trained the PhD in chemistry.
He hadn't understood the chemistry and this is why his
theory is very strongly based. But he worked for IBM
for many many years. He was also high ranking Rosicrucian
was on call with the Rosicruchin order to come in

(25:32):
when I'm just like this had happened when I called
him in in nineteen eighty he had already worked with
two known crystal sculls, the famous Mitchell Hedges crystal scolle,
which we can talk about before we're done, and a
crystal scull it's in the British Museum known the British
Museum Sculle. He already worked with truf skulls he came in,
and this is a theory that Marcell Vogel had. Now

(25:52):
this is pure science. First, we'll start out with pure chemists.
Sports crystal chemical compound silicon dioxide, one silicon atom bonded
to two oxygen atoms. Now you have in the crystalline lattice,
the lattice work of the crystal. They are possible to
have defects in the crystal. Now this is pure crystalography.
Anything I'm saying now, I will cut it off at

(26:13):
the point when it stops being But all the things
I'm saying now is standard crystalography. Anybody could look this
up in textbooks the chemistry of crystals and we'll see
exactly what I'm saying. So, two types of defects can
be in the crystal lattice. One is called a line defect.
One is called a point defect. For our purposes, we're
only going to talk about point defects. What a point

(26:34):
defects mean? Chemical structure is silicon dioxide. It forms a
hexagonal shape, six side. That's why most crystals are six sided.
In that crystal lattice. In the crystal matrix, a silicon
atom could actually be missing. You could have a bond
to two oxygen atoms where the silicon atom is missing,
This is called a point defect. This is pure crystallography.

(26:56):
This is not metaphysics. Where it becomes metaphysics is my
Barcell Vogel said that empty space where the silicon atom
normally would reside can be occupied by pulst energy i e.
Human thought, He claimed and demonstrated with deep breathing techniques.
With willpower, you can actually pulse your thoughts into a crystal. Therefore,

(27:18):
the crystal can store energy, and it is possible to
have in just a small piece of quartz crystal literally
billions of line defects, billions of data points that can
be occupied. So therefore this led a scientific basis to
the reason to the things that many of us came to.
One of the great again big hits that people got

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working with crystal skulls and they were like computers, is
that they were able to store energy. That the ancient
peoples used crystal skulls in particular and crystals to actually
be computers to store information that can be tapped. And
it's one of the things that both Barcel Vogel and
Nicolserinot was how to access that.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Information mentioned and we'll go into this on next segment.
Marcel Vogel, of course worked for IBM. Now did he
bring any of this knowledge to his work at IBM
and developing the properties of quartz crystals. We get into
more of that in the moment. Stephen Mahler joins us.
We're talking about crystal skulls and a lot more, how

(28:19):
they can be tested, not just what you believe, but
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(29:18):
The co host is Chris O'Brien. Okay, Stephen. Before we
did that break, we were focusing on Marcel Vogel. Now,
did he bring any of this back to IBM and
developing the early computer chips.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yes, and no. He did work with liquid phosphorus. That's
really what his work with IBM was. So he did
work with liquid crystals. So he did develop some products
with IBM. But what you're talking about as far as
what we call the Vogel cut crystals, this was on
his spare time where he also developed the whole industry
of developing these particular cut crystals that he sold and

(29:56):
also taught crystal classes. But this was apart from IBM.
He separated his professional academic I mean, his professional status
with IBM from his work with the worse coursies with
the crystal.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
But did they tolerate that because you think of one
of these old, very conservative companies and you see somebody
on there, one of their key scientists perhaps is involved
in an organization they'd regard as wacky. So how did
it work out for him?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It didn't happen in Santose, that wasn't the case in
the Santa Fe, California. It wasn't a case when he
worked with IBM. There was no because he was at
least twenty five years thirty years a senior scientist with
them when he really started to develop the crystal work,
so he was already firmly entrenched as a senior scientist.
There was nothing and they they never have to live
at all. There was never any problem.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Okay, let's return then to the testing and everything.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Okay, this is March now we're talking January of nineteen eighty.
The skull was brought in. I got to work with
a man named His name was John Zamara. He was
a Mexican American living in San Jose who was an
agent supposedly for Mayams and a Mayan priest who will
bringing a cache of things in. There's hoo many things
we could talk about. I've already shown Chris some of this. This.

(31:05):
Not only did they bring in crystal scope, but they
brought in genuine mind artifacts, carved jade, carp oh Mike
artifacts carved of jade, and even the Aztec pieces, so
there was a whole cash There was no doubt they
were involved, this group in getting to Mayan tombs. The
gentleman who actually brought in these items with named Francisco Reas,
claiming to be a maand priest. I worked with him.
He claimed that they were getting into my in tombs

(31:28):
and they were allowed to bring these things out. They
were helping us starving goods, et cetera. So he brought
in more than one crystal scope. The first one was
a mine crystal scope. I had a couple of sessions
with it in the Rose Crucian lab. I actually took
it home got to work with it. It's when I
started to do my own personal work with crystal scope
and I realized that there's you know again, this is
where it becomes something that's difficult for people to understand

(31:49):
because straight academic science cannot deal with these oubjects. There's
so much more to them understanding of crystal that is
just pure physical, physical chemistry, and there's a metaphysical acts
fact that academic science cannot deal with. So, for example,
most of the academic things that are coming out, particularly
by a woman named Jane Walt, who is the resident

(32:10):
anthropologist at the Smithsonian, she's claiming that all the crystal
skulls are phoning in her words, meaning that they're all
modern carved carved by machines. However, the idea was with
Nick no Serno, who I met in nineteen eighty three,
got to work with an amethyst crystal skull with him,
and from nineteen eighty three to two thousand and four
his passing, he was my supreme teacher in crystal skull research.

(32:33):
He developed a scientific approach where he developed a three
part type system to classify the skulls well, we will
call a contemporary skull. Yes, is a crystal skull that's
been carved with in the last fifty to one hundred years.
A skull that may be carved as a crystal calved
as a skull more than one hundred years, we say
is old a couple hundred years. He put an arbitrary date.

(32:54):
If a crystal has been carved into a skull over
one thousand years ago, we call it an ancient crist
So this is where we come into the fact are
these genuinely ancient artifacts? And we can discuss how I
deal with testing that, and that has to do with
as Chris mentioned, the skull. I just recently got to
see Incdona, Arizona, which I've written an article about for
David hatchet Children's next issue of Rex magazine, how we

(33:17):
actually scientifically can test a crystal skull. I specialize being
an archaeologist, being the fact that my interests go back
to ancient Egypt with ten thousand years ago. I specialized
in the items we call the ancient crystal skulls, and
I totally disagree with the academic people like Jane Walls
who say that none of these are ancient articles.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Okay, so how do we find the line of demarcation here?
How many of these skulls, what proportion of the ancient
skulls seem to have some strange properties and which ones
are just nice artifacts?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, it's a matter of the property of quartz crystal
that a skull that could be carved last week still
has amazing property. It is the properties of quarts itself,
the ability to be what we say scientifically. You squeeze courts,
it's ideoelectric. What does that mean? It means that you squeeze,
you put pressure on quartz crystal, it produces a minute
electric charge. Quartz also has the ability to make an

(34:08):
electric charge coherent. What does that mean? An electrical charge
that's jumping all over the place. If you beam it
through quartz crystal, it makes the charge coherent. This is
why we have the silicon chip industry. Why the computer
we're talking to each other over is based on silicon,
Why I watched pot time pieces. Silicon has the amazing
ability to take an electrical charge and make it coherent.

(34:29):
It can act as a step up generator and a
step down generator. So this is quartz itself. Quartz itself
is an amazing object. It's an amazing phenomenon. So all
of crystal, all crystal skulls, well it's carved last week,
two hundred years ago or one thousand years ago. The
difference with the ancient skulls is what we can go
into detail.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
We accept that these crystalline structures have properties that certainly
can be used in computers, just like we've of course
used silicon wafers and everything building personal computers. All that
stuff we know, well, that's done. We know that science.
We know that we can program things into them. But
if we look at ancient objects, are we thinking maybe

(35:08):
the ancients had computers too, or is it one of
those things?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, actually saying that crystal itself with the computer again,
Vogel said, if there are these point defects, there's an
empty space in the crystal lattice. He actually demonstrated using
staccato deep breathing. Also the same type of technique that
evoke up that Nick Nolcereena would use to become a
tune to U scull. Nick Nolcerina would give us a

(35:32):
whole complete demonstration how it is described, how you prepare
yourself to christ to do crystallography or psychometry, how you
tune yourself through deep breathing, through doing vowel sounds, how
you tune yourself with the crystal. So we're saying that
all crystal can be used as computers. That's basically what
the ancients were doing. It can store information and knowledge.
This is why we claim when people do psychometry and

(35:55):
they see scenes, they get information coming out of the skull.
It's not just coming out of the air. They're not
just making things up, which obviously a lot of skeptics
would say, you're just making these things up, You're just
using your imagination. But we are claiming that people are
getting these from the crystal. The vibration of the crystal
is bringing post electrical information into our brain. Our brain

(36:18):
translates that post electrical information into scenes into information. That
is how information moves. This is all science. This is
neuroscience I've given you. Now, this is not metaphysical.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, So we need all this electronics rigamarole here that
we have. We don't need to printed circuit boards, we
don't need all the other chips and things we build.
We can take the core crystal structure and dispense with everything,
so our Macintosh and Windows computers can work with just
the tiny crystal nothing else.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, basically that's what the engines did. The ancients use
these crystals, crystal sculles to transfer energy, to store energy,
to do healing, which is involved vibrational effects. So they
were working with energy.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
How do we know that? How do we know that?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's just what's handed down to us in the oral tradition.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Okay, well this is being told to us in oral tradition.
Where where do we do the research to find this
oral tradition and how do we actually interpret it in
our modern understanding of how computers work.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, that's a good question. Again. What we can say
is we we hear information about crystal scolles the ancient
ones and we'll go into detail about them being all
around the world. But what we know for certain where
the cultures that they've been identified with where they've been
coming out of in tunbs is Mexico and Central America,
connected with the Aztec, Maya and Omech civilization. Again, the

(37:36):
provinance is not there, but we know for sure one
crystal skull came out of a tone that was a
Mayan tube. I believe a lot of them came out
of so called Omech Mayan tunes. I can talk to
you again in detail. I believe the Omechs were involved
and carvering a lot of these ancient ones. So these
are the cultures involved with us. So who we're going
to talk to, We'll talk to Mayan wisdom keepers. I'm
not going to talk to an archaeologist. I'm going to

(37:57):
talk to a Mayan daykeeper like Donald Hanjo, who was
in his eighties, who is the recognized elberw of, the
recognized elder of the k Maya of Wala Patemala. He
gives us the Mayan tradition of the crystal scolle. They
have those strong traditions, so there's really wrong stories come
out and they've come out in other people's Native American
elders have talked about crystal scudes, but it's predominantly coming

(38:19):
from the Maya and the Omen.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Okay, So how do we determine that the crystal sculle
we find is really sourced from that civilization?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, let me tell you how we can tell the
difference between a modern skull and an ancient skull, which
a lot of people are totally unaware of, and particularly
some credentialed archaeologists and anthropolis. A modern crystal scope, it
would be machined, So it'd been machined. So and I
lean very strongly here to the work of a great
colleague and friend of mine, Christopher Dunn. E U n N.

(38:52):
Anybody that's interested in learning about ancient machining, the things
we have to talk about, how the Great Pyramid was built,
how they cut Granted, I recommend reading his book, So
it's from him that I'm presenting this information on modern machining.
He is the expert in the field. When you machine something,
when you're going to develop something carved something by machine,
you set a guide path on your machine, on your

(39:13):
through and it goes a court a certain arc.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Now automating the process. In short, let's go into this
more detail. In the moment, Stephen Mahler joins us. He's
an archaeologist, and we're discussing crystal skulls from a scientific standpoint.
The co host is Chris O'Brien. I'm Gene Steinberg. You're
in the Para Cast.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
War.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Welcome back to the Para Cast, the gold standard of
paranormal radio. And now here's Jeene Steinberg.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
For many more segments on this week's episode the Para Cast,
with Jean and Chris exploring the technology behind crystal skulls. Okay,
so there's a machining process that's involved in the current construction.
Does that make it more perfect? Then with the modern.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Crystals, you set a guide path on your tool so
it follows an arc. So that means if you're making
a skull a face, one side of the face will
be exactly like the other side because it's following a
guide path on a machine that's usually a diamond tool
or something to cut quarts. Again, let's get people some
science again. What's called the mold scale MHS is how

(40:31):
geology rates a stone. Of course, diamond being ten crystal
quartz crystal would be seven to seven point five on
a ten scale. So to cut courts need something seven
or higher, usually copper, rundum or diamond. So to set
a guide path, it's going to carve one side of
the face exactly like the other. We call this as

(40:52):
being bilaterally symmetrical. Bilateral symmetrical. One side of the face
is exactly like the other side of the face. To
ask every viewer or you now look at your face
in the mirror. Your face is not like that. One
eye can be lower than the other one, nostrils higher
than the other one, cheap boned. Our face anatomically is
not bilaterally symmetrical. It is different. So you look at it.

(41:14):
What we call a purported ancient crystal skull. The first
thing we can look at from observation is it bilaterally symmetrical.
And the skulls I'll mention to you that I documented
as being ancient, the Mayan crystal skull, the Amates crystal skull,
shah nahrab Max when we're talking about Einstein. None of
these skulls are bilaterally symmetrical.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
So there's a minor point of imperfection about them, not minor,
not much okay, well we want to clarify that. Okay,
because these are made by hand.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
That's correct. There you go. Now we're looking at it.
So now we observe the polish. When you're using a
machine to polish a crystal skull, any crystal, it's going
to be finely polished, smooth as glass, no imperfection. The machines,
the machine it over and over. Why are they doing it?
Understand why are we making a contempt for a crystal scope.
We're making it to be sold. We're making it to
be sold. Let's talk about capitalism here. Anything that's done

(42:05):
in this laste hundred years or two hundred years, it's
going to be made to be sold predominantly. So it
were carving it perfect to look smooth, to look clean,
to look nice, so somebody's gonna look at it esthetically
pleasing buy it. When we look at a max a
Shanna Rah. Well, let's go back to the first one
I talked about them, the Mayan crystal scope. The first
one I looked at as an archaeologist in nineteen eighty
I noticed it was not finally polished. There were cut barks,

(42:26):
there were bumps. It looks like it was carved by hand,
looks like it was carved by hand. That is one
important distinction from ancient scope to a modern scope. They
were carved by hand. How were they carved by hand?
We have many different theories we can talk about, so
that's number one.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
So we're not looking in terms of et technology or
ancient astronauts here. We're talking about primitive peoples who use
the implements of their society to build these things.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well, you bring a great point, because that's a whole
subject of discussion. You've got a whole group of people
who look at these ancient skulls and says they have
to be ancient a because ancient people couldn't have done that.
We don't agree with that. If you're asking my opinion
based on thirty years of research, I say ancient people's
carved these skulls by hand. They had knowledge of diamonds.
We see the same thing in ancient Egypt that they

(43:11):
were using diamond drills to cut granite over ten thousand
years ago. So ancient people had the knowledge of diamond
They didn't use machines to cut these skulls, but they
had used some type of diamond sand, diamond grid somehow
diamond tools and very painstaking. And we say what we
see in the ancient skulles as opposed to the modern skulls.
The intent of the carver is in the skull and

(43:33):
it becomes paranormal and metaphysical. But there's a definite difference
between an ancient scupe and a modern scull due to
the energy, due to how long it's been used by humans,
and due to the intent of the carver. Again, a
modern skull is carved to be so it's going to
look as pretty as they can make it shiny policy
using very nice I mean, we see crystal skulls today
in every possible crystal you can imagine, including skulls that

(43:57):
a diamond that are one that's up to see. I
can give you a website for ten million dollars a
diamond in chrystoscope. But every possible crystal now you can
think of emerald, ruby, whatever is crystal scope mata. And
the ancients did too that they chose their favorite scope.
For example, the Maya loved jade, so we see a
jade crystal scup coming out of a Mayan too. It

(44:19):
is very significant and they are coming out now this
is something else, we can talk about what crystal scopes
are coming out all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Okay, I want to go into that in the moment.
But one thing that occurred to me when we had
Joshua Shapiro on the show and occurs to me again
here we're looking at crystal skulls as ancient computers. Here,
and then I go back to Richard Shaver, the guy
who said he met these creatures beneath the caverns, beneath

(44:47):
the surface of the earth, and he was looking for
rock books, some kind of quartz crystals that contained records
the knowledge of ancient civilizations. He was trying to interpret them,
trying to translate them. Does any of us have any
relationship to what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yes, in a way. Again, we can talk about that
there are certain crystals are given the designation record keeper,
and that they seem to have had many so called
point defects, and they have an infinite capacity to store information. Again,
ancient records. Yes, we have seen I have seen as
scenes of ancient civilizations in crystal sculle. So there are

(45:26):
the records. I mean again, I work with the second
crystal skull I worked with I call the amethyst crystal
scull because it's eight pounds of amethysts. Incredible skulls. I
have pictures in the book. I will talk about my
book with David Atcha Childre's there's pictures of all these
skulls I discussed. But in this amethyst crystal scope, I
saw scenes of ancient Egypt till up at that point
nineteen eighty three. Now I have not read anywhere. I

(45:47):
saw this fence in the lake. I saw lush green
all around. I saw pyramids with energies kicking out of them.
I did not understand what I was seeing because no
one had written about it at that time. Lower bauled.
Nine years later, I go to Egypt nineteen ninety two.
I meet them who becomes my teacher and an indigenous wisdom keeper,
and he fills in the whole history of the indigenous
story exactly what I saw in that crystal scope. So yes,

(46:09):
people say the crystal skulles contain evidence of history of
ancient civilizations. People have seen it in there.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Okay, But do you have to use sensitives to get
this information or can you bring it to a laboratory,
hook it up to one of today's computers and find
this information that's yet.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Is it in ones and zeros?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It will be eventually, Gene. I think that's a great
point to bring up. Right now, it comes into the
form of parapsychology of psychometry. The only way to access
the information now is psychically. But I do believe you've
hit on a great point. I do believe one day
we will be able to hook these crystal sculles up
to computer and see visual images coming out of the s.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
A great screenplay. Sure, that makes a great screenplay.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
You know, I think Lucas could have followed up with India.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
You know, right before we get too far down the road,
I'm going to go back to the whole idea of
ancient people having the technology and the technological powess and
materials to actually fabricate these things. Where did let's say,
for instance, the omech of the Maya where how did
they have access to diamonds? Is there any sort of
source of diamonds the north of Brazil.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
No, you bring up a great point and a great
food for future research. Brazil, of course, and Africa, South Africa.
What we know for sure, Chris, is that the old
Mecro trading was with African sailors. Those are the giant
heads of Laventa and it's Sanlenzo. We see these incredible
head at Banzolved that weigh thirty tons that are clearly

(47:43):
West African Maritis sailors. There is no doubt in my
mind that the O micro trading with Africans, with Asians
and with Europeans. So you know.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
If diamonds had diamonds ever been found in a Mayan tomb,
let's say, or an Omec tomb to knowledge that I.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Know a good point, not that I know of, but
I'm certainly sure that the site reports have not been
complete because we haven't found We haven't we haven't found
diamond tools in Egypt yet, Christopher either. But we know
that we can see the evidence of diamond cut we can.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I would think that that they would be one of
the first things that would leave a tomb site surreptitiously, right.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Right, well, I can. I can give a joke here.
It might be off color, so I won't do it.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
But we're not allowed to do off color. Only slightly
slightly dulled, okay, slightly actually Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
My teacher had a son who's a master carver. His
name is Moses. He named the Moses. It's Mussa and Arabic,
and so he makes a joke because we talk about it.
I wrote a book actually talking about the accident and
how the people that left the exits were actually a
follower of a pertected king named It's a long story.
But Moses would say, well, you know, the Jews took
their tools when they left. Why are the Jews? That's

(48:59):
great covers in the world today.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
You can go to area. Hey, don't don't leave.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Don't leave the tools of your tradeline around when you
leave exactly too.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
We haven't done that. There's a lot of research. There's
a lot of work to be done. We have not
found the diamond tools yet. We see the evidence.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You gotta have to fire who stole those tools and
where they put them. Stephen Maylor joins us. Chris O'Brien's
the co host. I'm Jeane Steinberg.

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Speaker 3 (50:08):
We're in the second hour of our Funning Games with
Crystal Skulls. Fascinating journey trying to look at the scientific properties,
not so much the stuff that you can't prove, to
try to really nail it down with Stephen Mayler, an archaeologist.
I'm Gene Steinberger. The co host is Chris O'Brien. Chris,
you want to pursue the questioning and maybe there were

(50:29):
one or two questions in our forums about this gentleman.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
First of all, after Joshua was on the show, just
for your own information, Steven, we had one of the
largest threads on the paracast forum, which is forum dot
theparacast dot com for all your new listeners. Go and
sign up and become part of the fun. We had
twenty four pages and almost two hundred and fifty responses,
and boy, it got hot and heavy there for a while.

(50:54):
There's one whole cadre of skeptics that frequent our forum
and listen to the show that absolutely took the Smithsonian.
I forgot what was her name, Mary somebody rather je
you mentioned Jane Walsh. Yeah, they took her claims that
none of these skulls were ancient, and boy, they ran
with that, and they just they were using that as

(51:16):
as a baton to smack anybody who disagreed with their
highly skeptical view of this whole subject. But one of
the things that I'm interested in knowing, first of all is,
you know, we know about the famous, uh you know,
have to full size, even larger than life size crystal skulls,
but there also have been hundreds of smaller skulls that

(51:39):
have been found in the mylands. How much documentation and
providence do we have for smaller versions of these crystal
skulls that that have been reported being found.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
That's a great point, and I'm glad you brought it
up because it shows, in my opinion, how intellectually academically
dishonest Jane Walsh it you have in two in the
museums in Mexico City, dozens of small crystal skulles that
have come out of Aztec toobs. We know the Aztecs
were carbons. Actually the Aztecs weren't if I could be clear.
The Aztecs were actually a confederation. What is az Tech.

(52:12):
The Aztecs themselves were a warrior tribes. They conquered a
bunch of other tribes. They formed the confederation, which we
call the Aztec Confederation. But there was one tribe actually,
it was a couple of tribes that the Aztecs employed,
were called the nix Texts and the zappotext They were
master carvers. They carved in jade and they carved in crystal.
This is not metaphysics. This is scientifically a testable and
provable We have the artifacts of the Mistexs and Zapotechs,

(52:34):
great carvers in jade and crystal. So yes, to answer
your question, there are hundreds of small crystal skulles that
have come out of Mayan and Aztec tombs, labeled so
in museums, and yet this woman will come and say
that none of them are ancient. Obviously intellectually dishonest. Now
also she is claiming that certain skulls are modern carved.
And I'm answering now your critics that she never tested.

(52:57):
She made a statement, and I attacked her in print
on this in two thousand and five in the Washington
Post that the crystal skull max owned by Joanna and
Carl Parks in Texas, that she never tested, is modern carved.
As the rest if I can say she's lied, but
she's made intellectually dishonest statements. How she came to her conclusion,
for those that are packing her, is because of Bill

(53:18):
Holman and the Mitchell Hedges scope, because he foolishly let
her have that scull. Twice. She made casts of the
jaw at the teeth ran it through her electron scanning microscope.
So the straight cut marks that looks like it's from
a modern two. And she declared unequivalently, the Mitchell Hedgescoe
is a phony. It is modern carved, and all of

(53:38):
them there for our phony. The irony of this is
we agree with her. Nicko Serino was the first one
who told me in nineteen ninety eight that Honor Mitchell
Hedges story about the Mitchell Hedgescoe is a complete fabrication.
She was never at Lubantun, that skull was never found
at Lebantun, that skull was never carved by the Maya.
It is a modern carved scope. So therefore Jane Wolsh

(54:00):
was able to use that to get that information on
that skull, and then use it again every other skull
we talk about, which she has not tested personally. She
has not tested Shaannaah. She has not tested Einstein, she
has not tested the Mayan skull or the Amacisco, and
she has not tested a max. So she lies when
she talks about that these skulls are ancient.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Start fact, she did test the British skull correct, which
is almost modern car, and.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
It is modern car. So you see, we have a
lot of modern CARB skulls, full sized, modern CARB skulls
with fool people. There are a couple out there, I'm
not going to mention specifically that are out on the
in the field. Now they're being called ancients that are not,
But there are those that are. And the fact is
that Jane Walsh, the resident archaeologist anthropologist of the Smithsonian Institute,

(54:48):
has never done an excavation in her life. She has
never been to a Mayan tomb, she's never been to
the Mayan sites, she's never talked to a Mayan elder.
She just goes about one testing. She sees her little
electron microscope and therefore they're all quoting. So those of
you are your people that want to stand by her,
bring them on, because this woman is intellectually and academically dishonored.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
And we're quoting you on that.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Absolutely, And I've been voted there already on George Norrie,
on Coast to Coast and on all these shows Jeff
Friends and in print saying that. And I'll challenge her
anytime to come test Max with me and prove the
Max's modern card.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Have you physically contacted her and said, okay, let's put
your claims to the test.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
No, I've just called her out in public and on
the radio.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
No, why not contact her? Why not say Okay, you
know I've been challenging you, you're not responding. Let's have
the challenge. Let's put it to the test. Let's see
what you can do, and I'll show you what I
could do.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Well, you're talking about an honest, intellectually scientific debate. It
doesn't exist with these people. She would not recognize my
e she would not recognize my credentials, and she would
refuse to take part. I know the answer before him.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
You know what, just for the heck of it, how
about trying and let us know on the Power cast
if she ignores you. Fine, if she says I'm not
going to do it, fine, but why not contact her?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
That's a good part, Jeane. I'll try to Chris.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Okay, here's another question that I had about Max. I
had a personal experience with Max that I cannot explain.
I was taking a task on the Paracast forum, afore
mentioning it on the Joshua Shapiro episode. I sat with it,
and it's a very interesting skull because it's dark on
half of it and the other side is quite clear,
and Jemmy and I think.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Max physically changed. I first saw Max in nineteen eighty nine. Today,
in twenty eleven, there is a host side of Max's
jaw which is clear, which was crowdy twenty years ago,
which shows that the crystal is interacting, we say, with
human mind interacting with something. The crystal is changing. Max
is also getting strin He's getting yellow in one side

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of his face, which was.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
No kidding, Wow, I didn't know that I witnessed something
inside of it that was some very unusual light refractions
that I got. The distinct impression was like a TV
set was trying to turn on inside the matrix of
the which I found very surprising, and of course, mentioning
that on the Joshua episode put me into that.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Let me clear up some more history, because we want history.
I am the one who turned Joshua Shapiro onto crystal
sculle period. Nineteen eighty two. He was just a rambling
person going around San Jose, California. He came. We had
a booth friend of mine in a San Jose Renaissance fair.
We had crystal scull pictures. That's the first time he
ever saw nineteen eighty three. I introduced him to the

(57:29):
amethyst crystal skull. I am the one who showed Joshua
Shapiro his first crystal scupe. I am the one who
turned them onto all of that. Let's be clear, Joshua
Shapiro is not a scientist. He is not an archaeologist.
He is just a journalist. That's how he approaches these subjects,
not as a scientist. I first came to this subject
as a scientist, but because I am a mystic and
a scientist, I could walk in both fields. So did

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Nick no Serino, so did Marcel Vogel. It is the
only way to understand these things. So people want to
remain skeptical want to hear you tell a story like that.
I can give you theally thousands of stories of people
who claim morecco's healings from Max, who've seen incredible things,
we've got information, who have gotten information about themselves personally
that's enhanced their lives. Joanne Parkson will be writing her

(58:13):
own book on this, documenting literally thousands of healings.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I know, well, we'll get into more of this Stephen.
In a moment, Stephen Mahler joins us. Chris O'Brien's the
co host. I'm Jeene Steinberg. You're in the para cast.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
This is the para cast. You never know what's going
to happen next.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Stephen Mahler talking about scientific research and crystal skulls. I'm
Geene Steinberg. Chris O'Brien is the co host. You're in
the paracast. Okay, so let's look at that as far
as you're concerned. Joshua Shapiro is a journalist. Do you
think maybe he comes to conclusions too readily without supporting evidence.
What's your opinion?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
He's not grounded in his research. That's why again, I'm
not I'm not here to try to put somebody down,
But it's.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Not the point. We just want on this criticism.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
His information is not as clean as it could be.
Let's put it in.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Okay, Oh, that was a good way of putting it.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Here's a question that I have about Joanna Parks and Max. Now,
there has been a claim made that she has absolutely
taken Max off the table in terms of any potential
scientific testing. Is this true? Would she be willing if
the conditions were correct and the proper protocols were in place,
would he Would she be willing to allow testing of

(59:46):
Max to look for machine marks and that sort of absolutely.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
In fact, we took part in a in a in
a television documentary in two thousand and eight from NBC
Flu Meet in New York. Flu Herd in New York
brought me out to Brooklyn College Department of Anthropology for
two and a half hours. They videoed me working with Max,
showing how as an archaeologist you looked at it, how
to test it, how to examine it, how you can

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see that Max's ancient. And unfortunately NBC turned the project
over to the Sci Fi Channel and they used less
of than five seconds of me in the final product.
After two. So they now Bill Holman looking for an
imaginary skull in Mexico that never existed. So I mean
that's how it goes. But yes, to answer your question,
let me bring you some more. Signed nineteen ninety six,

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they were invited to come to the British Museum. Nick
no Serino bought Shahnarah Joanne Parks, who usually never leaves
the country, went to London with Max. They had the
British Museum skull. They had the skull that's known as
the Smithsonian skull, forty pound, hollow scull, big skull, smoke,
very cloudy courts. Jane Walsh was there, but she did

(01:00:53):
not do the testing. The testing was done by a
woman who's the head of the British Museum's testing laboratory.
They came with results. They said the British the British
Museum's goal was modern carved. They said that the Smithsonians
goal was modern carved. They had some other skull there
was as did skull. They said it was carved there.
Then when it came to Max and Shahnarraf, who they

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tested scientifically, they had no comment. Now wait a minute.
First of all, when Nick Nolserino brought the skull over.
He had a signed contract with the British Museum that
they would get a copy of all testing, all reports.
That was never provided. So when they asked why is
there no comment, they had no comment. No, wait a minute,
when you test something scientifically, if you get a result

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on your don't either it's ancient or it's not ancient.
No comment is not a scientific response. Later, when they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Had no comment about your no comment isn't either, Well,
the testing was inaccurate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
They claimed the testing was an accurate. They couldn't get
a science They couldn't get a clear scientific test. That's nonsense.
What they got was proof that the skulls were ancient.
It was against their academic paradigms. They could not be
on and given honestantic And then Jane Walls took those
results years later to say that Max and CHANNAA tested
out as being modern. There's no such test results. Again,

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you're not talking about people who are being scientifically honest here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Well, this was a real point of contention on this
volumeless thread on the para cast forum, and it boy,
it got a little hot and heavy there in terms
of people supporting one side of the story versus the other. Well,
you know, when we look at these artifacts, what is
it about the skull motif that seems to draw people in?

(01:02:36):
Do we have any other artifacts of this size and
in scale? Obviously if these are anged, some of these
skulls are ancient. It took decades generations to carve them. Probably.
Do we have any other types of artifacts that are
on par with these skulls?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yes, I mean we have crystal ball. Okay, So the
question is been why is shame is important significant?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
First of all, it is only in our modern mindset
i e. Judeo Christian Islamic philosophy that we look as
a skull as a symbol of death, something to be feared.
And sure enough, that is a normal response. Most people
who see a crystal skull on exhibition, if they have
a strong Christian, strong Jewish, a strong Muslim background, immediately

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there were repulsed. It's death, it's evil. That's not how
the ancient people, not how to maya, not how the omen,
not how ancient people look. First of all, they didn't
fear death. They saw death as a continuation, and they
saw a skull as a symbol of eternity. Now, Another
example would be if we're saying that the crystal skulls
were computers could store information, Well, what other organ in

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our body do we know? That story's information? The brain
whereas the brain house in the skull simple, but in
the skull would be a simple something that we could
identify with something that is memory. But the ancient people
the skull represented eternity, affinity represented In alchemy, we call
the fixed salt that which does not desolve. Now here's
something you may not be aware, but when a body disintegrates,

(01:04:04):
it's usually the skull and the long bones that take
the longest time to disintegrate. Are the hardest stones, are
the hardest mineral in our body. Why do we find skulls?
Of course, it's fossils. Why can't we find a three
point eight million euroo skull cap of a prehommed human,
But we can't find the rest of the body. It's
you know, the ribs and all that has gone. Very

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rarely do we find a full skeleton in im paleo archeology,
but the skull and the long bone. When we cremate
a body and they put it under that tremendous heat,
usually the skull and the long bone, even at a
thousand degrees fahrenheit does not totally melt. What they do
when they give you cremains, the cremated remains of someone,

(01:04:44):
they have pulverized. They have taken at your mortar and
pestle and pulverized the skull and the long bones so
that you get pure powdered. So a skull can represent
eternity to the Maya, the omeg So the crystal skull
is supposed to represent affinity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Just parent, let me ask you a quick question here
before picks up on it, and that is okay. So
we have the skull shaped in this fashion. We have
this built as a skull shaped object. Does it have
to be a skull? Can it be a hand? Can
it be a foot? Can it be a circle?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yes, to be a functional talisman, to be an operational tool. Again,
it could be just a crystal ball with no shape,
or just a piece of raw crystal. But there is
something that happens Geane when we carve. Again, we say
the difference in the ancient skulls is the intent of
the carver. So we're saying that these ancient skulls were

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carved by master shaman's male or female, usually with a
school with students being involved, and that person puts their
intent into the skull. They are creating an object not
to be sold. It's not commercial. It is a talisman.
It is somebody to interact with human mind to be
used for healing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Okay, but that means then they didn't build skulls or
crystalline struck sures in other shapes with the same precision.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Great, they predominantly looked at the skull shape. Yes, what
we're looking at is I mean, they carved crystal into
many different forms. You have crystal goblets, you have crystal statues.
But it seems obvious to your point, the main shamanistic
talisman they wanted to create was a skull.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
All we have is aerol tradition to support this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And we have one other piece, Chris. We have one
other piece, Chris, the Mayan glyphs. The Mayan glyph, which
is just the upper jaw is al chemical zero. It
means infinity. It was actually a number, but the number
was irrelevant. I mean, it's what we call infinity, al
chemical zero. The Mayan glyph for infinity is the upper

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jaw of the skull.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Interesting, I didn't know that. Wow, Well, how about how
about other animal forms? I know the jaguar was a
revered animal in the Meso culture, especially around Central America
and the highlands. Do we have any sort of animal
forms that have been that are our urspressive as you
know in terms of these gorgeous artifacts that some of
the skulls are. Do we have any examples of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I can send I can actually send you that we
took photographs of these others. Cash that this Francisco ray
is board and they actually have a cobra out of jade.
They would do a jaguars out of jade. Again for
the Maya and Omeg if it had a special significance
as a talismanic ritual object, they would use it as jade.

(01:07:29):
Even more crystal was for the skulls really to really
work with them as information device record keepers for healing.
But when they had a special object, it would be jade.
And I can reveal something here to you and your audience.
It's not out to the public yet. There has been
found in the Yuka time a jade head. It is

(01:07:51):
known it is actually a Macamayan head out of jade
and with it has been on the secret for now.
They're now coming out with a full size jade crystal skull.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Okay, so this is a crystal skull made of jade,
and I guess the big question will be does it
seem to have the same properties is quartz? And this
is going to be a complicated question. It has to
wait until we do our break. Stephen Mayer joins us.
I'm Jeen Steinberg. Chris O'Brien's the co host.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
You're in the Peri Cast. This is Robert Hastein's author

(01:08:37):
of UFOs and Noukes, and you're listening to the Para Cast,
the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
So the question on the table the jade crystal skull.
Stephen Mahler is going to explain this to us. I'm
Jean Steinberg, Chris O'Brien's the co host. You're in the
Power Cast. So does jay have the same properties as quartz?

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
No, it has its own properties. Specific property jade can
be worked. It's believed to raise energy race psychic proversions.
The Mayas definitely used jade objects when they did their
ritual psychoactive plants to go into trance, to go into
other worlds or the dimensions. So no, the answer is
quarts has its own particular properties, why courts was chosen,

(01:09:25):
Jade would have its particular properties, why it would be
chosen for ritual shamountic objects. But they definitely valued jade,
and I believe again the real masters of jade carbon
with oh My who taught.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
To maya One thing that I'd like to know, and
this is for some of the more skeptical types out there. Now,
you mentioned that early on you conducted quite a number
of I'm not sure what the term would be, but
refereed sort of sessions with sensitives and others. Has any
of these results been published anywhere?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yes, very good. It's actually in two books. I wrote
official reports for the Rose Krishnoda. Those reports were basically
summarized in the book called Mysteries and Crystal Skulls Reveal,
which Joshua arranged to get together with Nick do Serrino
and Nick's fine student Sandra Bowen. That book is basically
out of print. It was one of the came on

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nineteen eighty eight Mysteries and Crystal Scholle Reveal. But since
then I've co written a book with our friend and
colleague David had your children's It's called Crystal Skulls Astonishing
Portals de Mand's Past Adventures and Limited Press, two thousand
and eight. I have half the book. David has half
the book. In my half the book, I summarized all
the research I did at th Rose Christian Research.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Now, Okay, well that's I think that's important because the
whole idea, the whole linking between the scientific side of
this whole mystery and the psychometric side or the intuitive
side of this. I think this is the ground where
your skeptics are going to have the most difficulty accepting, uh,

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this type of information at face value. And so I
think it's important that uh that these results were uh
refereed and uh you know, these tests were refereed and
these results actually have been published. I think that's important
for people to know. And uh what we can do
is we can refer people onto other uh types of
scientific results if you feel that there's uh, uh you know,

(01:11:27):
if these these tests were warranted and and and deserved
to be given notice again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
The two the two the two prominent researchers in the field,
Doctor Marceau Gogo obviously PhD in chemistry, Nick nol Serrino
got the first master's degree teaching cretential and parapsychology in California.
These are two gentlemen who are scientifically oriented, who also
were mystic in metaphysical That's that's my basis. So yes,
there has to be the scientific grounding there somewhere. I mean,

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they can't just be all off the work.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Well, and you also have to have scientists that are
not intellectually dishonest about their exposure to these very enigmatic artifacts.
And you know, I mean at the very least produce
the results of testing that you know is being done.
I mean that again, I mean is that smoking gun
evidence that that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
And again I would say, when Joanne Parks publishes her book,
she will have hundreds of testimonies from doctors, chiropractors, metallurgists, archaeologists, physicists, chemists,
et cetera. So yeah, that's going to be included. We're
going to have that eventually, the scientific testimony from scientists well,

(01:12:37):
again who are open minded, well have looked at this object.
And again I would always like to bring one thing
point out about your skeptics. I would challenge any skeptic
to come to me who's actually witnessed discuss there's a
difference for people who are being skeptical, who are standing
in sitting in their armchairs, reading literature and making comments.
I used to host Joanne Parks. I've been to many,

(01:12:57):
but you know they go around with this code. I've
had many, many people who've come to see a crystal
skull that I've witnessed, who are very skeptical. This is nonsense.
It's whoy gluey, it's new age garbage. Many men who
were dragged by their wives. I have not seen one
person who did not feel something. Even people say I'm
not sensitive, I don't get anything, they go downsit with

(01:13:18):
this go would you feel it? Yes, just put in
my hand on the skull. I self distinguent. I felt
this electricity. Everybody feels something. And I can tell you
the overwhelming people who I've seen I've witnessed come to
see a crystal skull, who've come as skeptics, have left
as some degree of believer when they leave. So the
majority of skeptics that you were looking at, who are

(01:13:39):
really adamant and refusing to accept any of this, have
never witnessed or experience for crystal.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Yeah, that's that's a good point. Now this brings up
the whole subject of power objects. And I think you've
kind of hinted at this through the first part of
our show here that these objects, especially obviously I'm referring
to the ones that are potentially ancient, these objects were
handled with reverence. There seems to be some sort of

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potential programming of these skulls as into power objects. And
and if let's say the science that you are referring
to in terms of the uh the point, what's it
called a defect in it that's able to store knowledge
that the Vogel came up with this, this whole concept

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Courts obviously has it. If this is real, it has
more of a potential to be programmed as a power object.
So let's let's discuss the programming potential program of power object.
Sure different from other objects, right, some of it could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Be classified as positives to be classified as negative. It's
face that some of these objects were abused. Why we
had Initially a lot of people had problems with the
first caull I talked about the Mayan crystals. Go, A
lot of people got scared, a lot of people so
I felt violence and anger. As we found out. Again
this is an anecdotal story, but again the oral tradition came

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down that this particular skull had been used by the
toll Texts. When the toll Texts conquered the Maya in
the Yucatan, they instituted large sacrifice of again opening the heart.
It is what we then people would see scenes that
actually when the chest cavity was cut open with an
obsidian knife and the heart taken out, this particular crystal

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skull was put in the heart cavity. So maybe it
was scenes that they were helping the person pass over
to the other side, but the trauma, the violence would
go into the crystal, so people would experience that. Some
of the skulls carried out thumb didn't. So I mean
the skulls were used for all possible things. Now, the
ancient skulls, a lot of us felt from these powerful

(01:15:49):
shamans were from healing schools. So the crystals were going
to be used to heal. And how they were used
in healing is as I mentioned, to help someone pass
over to the other side. Now in our society we
don't think about that, but if people could. If you've
ever interviewed or know if Danian Brinkley, this is what
he does for a living. Daniel Brinkley almost died three times.
What he does now for a living is he helps

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people pass over peacefully with dignity. Well, the crystal scodes
were used that way. We don't necessarily think that's a
good thing, but there are people who don't think there's
any such thing as death. That you're just going from
one form to another. Then the crystal scope enables you
to move to that transition. It also did healings, so
there were and to store information and knowledge for previous
people to work as powerful shamanic ritual objects to meditate with,

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to do chanting rituals, to raise the vibrations of the people.
All positive things and yes use the negative things in
later times used as war objects, as used the objects
to again for ritual sacrifice. So a lot of all
these things get recorded. We have seen these in the
different scope or the different ways they were used are
recorded in there where we would say with the Mayan

(01:16:53):
crystal sculle, the people sometimes they would get this bad
feelings and we say you stop your break off, or
you don't want to deal, or you just try to concentrate,
to go deeper, that there were deeper things beyond that
surface negativity vibration. But some of the skulls, like Einstein
who I just saw, like Max, like Chanaa were never
used for negative and there's no negative energy has ever

(01:17:15):
come out of it some of the skulls. It was
told to us by the mind priests. A seal was
put on by the skull of a ritual CeAl that
it couldn't be used for negativity. I mean, that's possible.
But again, the objects were usable positive and negative, depending
on the culture, the civilization, to the level of awareness
of the people that had them. Yes, they've been used
for black magic, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Well, you mentioned that there have been healings associated with
some of these calls. Is there any documentation on this?
I mean, I know, I seem to remember from your
book with David that you had mentioned a couple of
cases in there. But why don't for our listeners sake,
why don't you talk about some of the more celebrated
examples of potential healings.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Well, again, Joanna Weal parks will be more into specific documentary,
but she shows an example of a gentleman who had
had back surgery before he came to see Max. He
stood over Max, and somebody took a photograph. In the photograph,
you could actually see a double you see Max, and
then you see right next to it, almost in the

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syric in like yellow light obviously in the photograph, but
nobody witnessed it. Real showed his whole vertical column, and
Max showed him where he was going to work on
his back and do a healing. This man then recorded
months later that has no back problems at all, and
he attributed it totally to his sessions with Max. Again,
Joanne will document this. A lot of this is going
to do before afters. It's going to be a lot

(01:18:36):
of befoors, a lot of afters. Nick no Serino was
eventually going to be writing his own book documenting the
healings he did with his go I don't have specifics
because I don't have an ancient skull that I've worked
with to give you a specific case, but I know
there are documented cases and they will be recorded.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Thanks Steven, I'm going to want to ask you about
the documentation and how we could basically you find the
providence for that documentation and you'll see what I mean,
when we get to the next segment, Stephen Mayler joins us.
The subject on the table is crystal skulls and maybe
jade skulls and other sorts of things. The co host
is Chryst O'Brien. I'm Jeene Steinberg.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
You're in the Para Cast.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Welcome back to the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
And now here's Jean Steinberg.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Winding down the final hour of our Crystal Jade, other
kind of skull discussion with Stephen Mahler. I'm Jeen Steinberg.
Chris O'Brien's the co host. You're in the para Cast.
So here's the thing. When you say somebody has been
cured of some kind of ailment, they come in there

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and they have a problem, and they're treated by the
crystal skull or whatever and they don't have the problem.
The question is, did you have a doctor look at
the person before they go in saying you've got this condition,
and did a doctor check them after being treated to
see if they still have the condition.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's interesting and that's a very very rigorous question. I
don't know if it's exactly been documented as you say,
but I know that they've been chiropractors, and there have
been mds who've been involved with some of the healings
with MATS who will testify to them whether they've actually
been one of their patients who they've sent to MaTx
for treatment where they could document it before and after.

(01:20:39):
I can't specifically say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Sure, but wouldn't that be important Stephens?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
They're setting up a good parameter for future research.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Sure, but I'm saying this is something you'd think after
all these years, somebody would have tested. You know, this
person has cancer, he goes in there, he's in remission.
This person has a bad back, some kind of spinal
cord injury or just dislocated discs or something to go
on there, and the chiropractor, the medical doctor says, you
know what, they're cured because it's not just I feel

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better because somebody's back ailments specifically can be partly psychological.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Yes, you're making a good point, but understand that the
people who would be involved with doing anything with crystal
sloths would not be your conventional allopathic physician. The people
who would be involved with Joanne with healings would be chiropractice,
would be naturopaths, would be homeopaths, so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Chiropractors, they use X rays, they do some kind of
physical diagnostics.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Again, I would say follow up with this and have
Joanne parks On ask Kurt to specific She could specifically
mention chiropractice, who will be doing this, who will be
doing before, and actress. So that's being done with Max.
I know that there are chiropractors, not mds, particularly unless
they're alternatives, but naturopaths, homeopaths, chiropractors who've been working with Joanne,

(01:21:52):
who can document before, an actress, so she would be
the one to talk to specifically about it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Now. I wouldn't object chiropractors because I've been treated by
chiropractors over the years and the back problems that were
very involved and the doctors wanted to put me in
traction for the chiropractors pretty much cured.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Chris, you mentioned us on a couple of occasions. Here Einstein,
which is the latest of these potentially ancient skulls it
has surfaced. Why don't you give us a little background
on the Einstein story, how you found out about it,
what we know about the skull, and describe it for us,
because the pitches you showed me, were quite amazing. In

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the size of the thing is even more amazing. So
why don't you give us a quick one?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And it's a good potential for you to see it
in person because it's there, don't Arizona? Well, I just
got involved in and this is of course what we
can lead up to a commercial. I just got involved
in a major crystal skull conference ten ten ten in
New York City, put on by a men named Kendall
Ray Morgan. The website www dot Oraclestone Productions dot com

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or Crystal skull Events dot com Oraclestone Productions dot com.
I'm just going to one in La eleven eleven eleven.
It was the greatest gathering of ancient modern skulls at
the time. There were at least a dozen ancient skulls
and hundreds of contemporary skulls. It was advertised one of
the hooks for this conference was there was going to
be unveiling of a mystery skull, one that has never

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been made public before. Well being in the know like
I am, and I was the keynote speaker for the conference.
I was told beforehand that it was a skull called
Einstein that I had heard about vaguely, but never knew
much detail about it. I heard about Einstein from Nick
noo Sereno over the years. He would say things to
me like the crystal skulls is this and that, but
then there's Einstein was a special case. Or he would

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say something, there is Einstein and it's special, and I
would wait for more information. He would never provide it.
While as it turned out, Einstein is owned by a
woman named caroling Ford. She first obtained it in nineteen
ninety had Nick no Sereno come see it tested and
authenticated in nineteen ninety one, but she kept it from
the public. She did not want to make it did
not do anything about it for twenty years. The unveiling

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of Einstein was going to be in New York City
at the ten ten ten conference on October tenth, and
there she was at the conference and revealed Einstein. I
got to see the skull, very interested me. Reminded me
very much of the exact first skull I talked about
to you guys. The Mayan crystal skull looked like a
larger version, but it was the biggest thing I've ever seen,

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thirty three pounds of ancient course now we've seen big
contemporary skulls. I mentioned that the Smithson had a forty
pounds hollow scoll. I've seen an eighty pound contemporary scull,
huge piece, of course, but contemporary. We've never heard of
an ancient skull that big. Well, as it turns out,
Nick had seen it, they had documented, they had documented
it as the largest ancient skull that ever came out.

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And I must mention that Nick no Serrino, in his
lifetime documented as many as fifteen to eighteen skulls which
he classified as being ancient, carved as a sculled over
a thousand years ago. That's for people who say there's
only thirteen original skulls, not as sets of thirteen. There's
way more. I've seen as many as nine that I
would say with genuine ancient artificts. So I got friendly

(01:25:05):
with Carolin Ford and her husband Ron. They live in Sedona, Arizona.
They invited me to come see Einstein work with Einstein
tests for myself, and to make that story short, we
came there in March. That's where we saw Chris, stayed
with David had your childress at Rex West in Camp thirty,
and spent two days with Einstein. I came up with

(01:25:25):
all sorts of magnifying glasses, high power flashlights, and laser
lights to do scientific testing. I tested that skill, looked
at the crystal, looked at every possible aspect of that skull. Clearly,
it was not bilaterally symmetrical. One side it is definitely
different than the other. There were cut marks, there were
pock marks. It was not polished by machine. It was
carved by hand. There is no doubt that that skull

(01:25:48):
is an ancient artifact and it is just the giant
version of the Mayan crystal skull, which led me to
believe that Einstein was the master's skull, that other skulls
were carved from what we have theory of. That was
a basis of some of these lectures at the skulls
were used in sets of thirteen twelve skulls around a
master's skull in the thirteenth. It has to do with

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the number thirteen sacred to the Maya. Why did Jesus
have twelve disciples plus himself. It's a number of Osyrus
has to do with regeneration. I could go on and
on about the number thirteen. It's not unlucky that just
happened in October thirteenth, thirteen oh seven Black Friday, when
the Catholic Church and the King of France declared born
the Knights templars. That's the old basis of Black of Friday.
The thirteenth, thirteen thirty teen is a sacred number to

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the Maya, as you well know, and it was sacred
in the use of crystal skulls thirteen. So I got
clear vision that Einstein was a master skull, that a
shaman had given an assignment to his students to make
twelve skulls as copies, and the Mayan crystal skull. But
when I first saw in nineteen eighty was one of
Einstein's children. So Einstein is a master skull, a master recorder,

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tremendous carving. To see this, you have to see if
I am. The jaw is shoot amazingly thick and clear.
The skull is cloudy. It's great for scrying. You can
see scenes in it. It's great for psychometry. Immediately, Nick,
no Serrino came through me. And I don't care who's
judging or value what I'm saying to you now at all.
You understand I come to the point where I put
this out there. I really don't care if there's a

(01:27:14):
skeptic out there the things I'm crazy or not. I
know what I experienced, and I'm giving you what I experienced.
So I got tremendous work with Einsteight, both working as
a scientist looking at it as an artifact, clearly discerning
that it's hand carved, it was not machined. It's ancient.
On the other side, it's a powerful metaphysic glob, a
record keeper that has much memory, tremendous amount of information,

(01:27:35):
and a powerful energy devites the conbus for healing and
for helping people just raise vibration. It is a master scull,
genuine ancient artifact in my opinion, carved at least five
thousand years ago as the scope and older than that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Well, what do we know about it? How did Ron
and Karen come up with this thing? I mean, what
do we know about it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Is Carolyn Ford was living in la She was a
big prayer involved with a lot of rock bands at
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
She got very interested in Christmas. Skull just came to
her on her own and she wanted to have a
small crystal skull, just a little one to work with.
She called a friend who had a shop in Seattle,
which was from and he said, you really want a
crystals cull.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
She said yes, He said, you have to come up
here and see what I have. She flew from La
to Seattle, went in the store and there was the
thirty three pounds Einstein. She fell immediately in love with it,
brought it, got it. Story of Einstein again, the provenen
of provedent Einstein was a pained by this person from
an estate sale. One of the audiens in the estate.
The estate was of an old archaeologist explorer who had

(01:28:33):
gone to Mexico. Again the story, the story is that
he plundered it from a Mayan tomb in the thirties
and that's how he got Einstein. And this is typical
of a lot of the stories except Chenara. Before we leave,
I must say to you we have providence of genera.
But it's not something Jae Walsh would recognize. Why Mick
no Serina was asked to advise psychically a by there's
a whole field of archeology we call psychicochaeology. When people

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who are sensitive go on site and they may tell
you there's something here, there's something there, Nick was a
master at that. He went to an area in the
Wahaka area in the state of Guerrero. He pointed to
this area, said there's a site here. He told him
exactly where they did what they would found. They found
Mayan artifacts and two crystal sko.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
We'll get to more of at the moment. Stephen Meyler
joining us on the Paracast. I'm Jeene Steinberg. The co
host is Chris O'Brien, and once again you're in the Paracast.

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Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Stephen Taylor joining us for three more segments on the
Power Cast with Gene and Chris. You were covering this finding, Steven,
please explain further before we get to our listener questions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Nineteen ninety five. They found a whole series of objects mine.
I've just had two crystal scodes. They were so grateful
for Niked aiding in this excavation. They gave him the
crystal scope. Again. Though, the reason that we become to
Jaye Wallish and so argue against it is because this
was off the book's excavation, not done by a university

(01:30:34):
in Mexico by predentials Mexican archaeologists, so therefore it is
not documented, so she can say, prove it. Yeah, we
can't prove it, okay, off the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Books meaning we're not talking about the financial aspects to it.
Off the books meaning you're paid under the table without
paying taxes. It means it's not sanctioned by a traditional
university or research organization.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
And let me tell you the truth, Jean. The majority
of archaeology excavations that have been done in the history
of the world have been done that way. A majority
of things taken out of Egypt have been a legal excavations.
The majority of things taken out of my insights and
all my excites, etc. Have been illegal excavations. The percentage
of recognize credential archaeologist archaeological clients compared to illegal ones

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is minuscule. And what do they do they find these things?
They find crystals goes and they put them in museums.
That's not what these things were intended for. So we
I'd rather prefer an illegal excavation to find the things
that a legal one, because all they're going to do
is stick these things in museums. They're supposed to be
interacted with human beings.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
It sounds like the line from one of the Indiana
Jones movies where Harrison Ford says, this belongs in a museum,
and then the response was, so do you doctor Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
That was the third movie, Yes, right at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
That's the one with Sean Connery. It was the best movie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yes, it was, it was. It was great. But of
course I love the chrystals.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Let's get to a couple of listener questions from our forum.
One question from Mike, who's one of our newer posters. Well,
actually no, he's been. He's been a member since January
two thousand and eight, so he's one of our paranormal masters.
He's interested to know in you know, how do you
date these things? I'll read you his entire question, as

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you say, the focus will be on what we know scientifically,
so I'm interested in the precise nature of the test done.
What instruments are used and the data gleaned, expectations, results,
et cetera, and specifics on dating seems appropriate given the
debate thus far, and he's really interested in the role
that science will play in this. Now, is it possible
to date courts? I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Is it no? It's an excellent question he's really approaching.
Why is the scientific base? No, we cannot date courts.
Actually there was a test developed in the mid two
thousands in Australia. So perhaps dating the age of Courtz
crystal is debated. It's not been accepted. But even if
you could date the age of the crystal, you cannot

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tell exactly what it was cark and TUIs scope. You
can't date the crystal that way as far as carver,
no organic material, no way to tell. So only we
can do is psychometry and all we can do is estimate.
But if we know exactly what a contemporary skull is carved,
of course we know it's carved in nineteen ninety four,
but anything that's over one hundred years old would have
been by nature speculation unless we have documentation. If we

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have documentation exactly when the City British Museum was carved
in the eighteen eighties. It believed we would have a carver,
you'd have documentation I carved the skull, sign it off.
We don't have that. People who have carved contemporary skull
or modern skull, even in the leftwo hundred years, they
didn't exactly attest a document of legalized doctors. I carved
the skull at this date. So and for an ancient skull,

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the only way to do it is how I said,
how we look at it as an artifact. Determine if
it's machined, if it's by a lot of symmetrical or
hand carved. If it's hand carved, you're going back before
the use of the so called wheel in the left
two hundred years to carve crystal. So it's over than
two hundred years if it's carved by hand. How we'd
say it's ancient again is just through the scenes we

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see just through the items the nick No sooner we'll
talk about seeing ages in the scull, actually geological ages
that can be dated. We know how many millions of
years ago. So each piece of crystal is millions of
years old. I mean all crystal is ancient. How it's
formed is in so it has ancient vibration to begin with,
if it's a record keeper and has all these memories

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in it, if you access these memories. But again, to
answer the question, science cannot give us a solid answer.
We cannot date when a crystal was carved into a
skull with a scientific method yet recognized. We cannot give
specific information scientifically when the car and skulls were carved
and when exactly they were used for. This only becomes

(01:34:42):
through the psychometry or through the oral tradition. The traditions
are handed down to the oral wisdom keepers, which in
the case of crystal skulls, through the Maya and Omic
are vast. The Maya have a fast oral tradition of
crystal scope.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yeah, that's true, they do. My brother, who lived down
there for five years, mentioned to me on a number
of occasions the whole subject of crystal skulls coming up
with some of the local Kei ch Maya. I think
in the highlands especially, there's an oral tradition there, according
to my brother who lived there for a number of years. Now,
we're going to go on to one of our moderators actually,

(01:35:17):
who's an open minded, healthy skeptic, but he is kind
of cutting to the chase here with his question. He
was embroiled in a couple of our threads here and
are the main thread on these skulls? And Angela Joshua
was on this is Angelo correct, who's been the longtime
member of the forum. Why is there so much bs

(01:35:38):
surrounding the crystal skulls?

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
I e.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
The lies around the Mitchell Hedges skull and why has
nothing conclusive ever come from studying them? To my knowledge,
there hasn't been double blind tests done on the skulls,
tests which seem to be simple enough to do. Now
we've already kind of covered this ground, so I just
wanted to throw that question out there. I think that
we've almost answered that. I think his next question though,

(01:36:01):
ties into the first part of his first question about
the lies surrounding some of these skulls, and his question
is do you think the belief in crystal skulls is
akin to that of religious relics?

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Wow? Wow? Why is this so much bs? Well? Watch
the whole New Age field. I mean, it's just the
nature of the modern world that if there is anything
that can be exploited and manipulated, it will be so
anything that comes out of the so called metaphysical or
paranormal field that may have any validity will be by

(01:36:34):
nature of the system exploited and made fun of or trivialized.
So the whole idea of crystal skulls and all the
literature has been written about it. Movies, even even the
Indian Johants movie Jones movie, which was great, had to
bring into ets. Everybody has to bring in ets around them.
So it's the nature of the field. It's not just
crystal scupe. Anything that comes out of the called new

(01:36:56):
age or paranormal field that is not part of the
mainstream way of thinking, the normal accepted paradigm, becomes trivialized,
will become exploited. So I mean, and some of the
people you've mentioned that go around talking about crystal skulls,
who basically just come off the top of the head
and make up anything they want that sounds good. Now
I'm not making any names, but there are those people

(01:37:17):
who go around claiming to be crystal skull experts who
don't have a scientific bone in their body, et cetera.
The point is about double blind tests. You have to eat.
That's not just enough to throw that out there. Bling
you'd have to tell me what he's talking about. I mean,
we set up tests where we had people psychometrized work
psychometry who were not present at anybody else's test. Said what,

(01:37:38):
We're going to use an object that's not a crystal
skull and test that to see if they came up
the same as me. That's trivial.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yeah, but you know what, I want to ask you
a question here, Steven, what about double blind meaning they
don't know it's a crystal skull, they don't know what
it is. There may be no object there at all,
they're blindfolded. Do they have to visualize it? They can't
do it blindfolded?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Can but it seems like the optimum effective working with
it is to see it's the crystal at the touch
the christal okay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
So, but you could also use different crystals or use
a crystal you just put together in the laboratory. A
week earlier. Stephen Maylor is joining us. The co host
is Chris O'Brien. I'm Gene Steinberg. You're in the para cast.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
This is Leslie Kane and I'm with thee Coalition for
Freedom of Information and you are listening to the paracast.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
What about double blind tests for crystal skulls. The question
is being posed to Stephen Byler on the Power Cast
with Gene and Chris. So what I'm saying here is
one of the things about double blind testing is that
you try to have as many checks and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Balance as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
So of course you might have different crystal skulls, but
tell the person, well, they look pretty much the same.
It's the same skull. You want to see if they
have real powers they change from skull to skull, or
maybe it's a fake. How do you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Good point. We have done that. We have done somebody
to some psychometrize a contemporary skull and then would a
supposed ancient skull and tell the person there's no difference
to it and definitely different quality. Information that was channeled
out to the contemporary skull was hardly any memory, how
the energies were seen, and if any scenes was seen,
they were modern scene. When we work with the Chris

(01:39:30):
ancient skull, we don't tell a person attention. Most and
they're talking about the Maya, about ancient Egypt, about Rome, Greece.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
But you can't do it blindfolded.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
There's no reason to do it. Blindfold you can do, yes, there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Is, because then you don't know if there's a skull
there at all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Well, then you don't just tell the person's skulls there.
You don't even show the skull. Well, you can say,
there's an object full, we have an object. We have
an object that's beneath the table under you. You're sitting
at a table. There's an object under the floor, under
your table. See if you can get any energy from it.
You don't have to blindfold anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Okay, you can put it in a box and have
it there, Bleed them into the room and say, uh,
you know, let's let's catch it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Depends on the box. City and box it blocks the
energy of crystals cold. You won't get anything. It has
to be uh.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Well, just just the cardboard box. It would be good
enough for me. Just something to hide the thing. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
We'll just put it on the table with a towel
over it. There's an object. You don't see it. You're
not told what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, Yes, that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
You don't know again, Nick no Serino was doing this
for for fifty years, gentlemen. He found that the best
way to do this scientifically was to have people touch
this goll and forget about doing it but double blind
doing it as an unknown object. The only way you
can test it is by psychometry. There's no double blind involved.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Well, in touch it with blindfold on, maybe they're not
given a full opportunity to feel around and just check
it shape.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Well, I mean that's possible, but to me that's trivial.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Well, I think it's The point is here is that
you want to have as many checks and balances as possible.
So the person who doesn't believe in, especially the traditional
scientific community this guys say it's all on nonsense. Well,
the more evidence you throw in their laps that they
can't dispute, the easier it's going to be to gradually
accept this thing. Chris, you have more questions, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
I think we pretty much answered most of the questions
that we're posed. I think Steven's done a really good
job of taking us to the next level and studying
this very enigmatic mystery. One question that I have though,
is in the last few years I've seen an uptick
in kind of noise surrounding the whole crystal skull mystery,
and that is that these are either ancient ancient artifacts

(01:41:33):
that could be thousands and thousands of years old, and
I've heard the word Atlantis or Lemuria bannered about. And
then also you have this whole kind of emerging belief
system that some of these objects are actually derived from
ets or given to humans by extraterrestrials, or that they
somehow are involved with some sort of extraterrestrial agenda. Do

(01:41:58):
we have any sort of I know the obvious answer
to this, but do we have any information that would
back this up? Or is this just a lot of
wishful thinking on the part of true believers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Well, first of all, I'm surprised that neither one of
you asked me the question about the Mayans in twenty twelve.
None of you, either one of you asked me what
did the Mayans say about them? The Mayans Don Alandro
in particular, all the Mayans that we're at our comfort,
are going to be at our conference in November, are
saying that the skulls are coming back. For this reason,

(01:42:28):
that the end of the twenty twelve calendar is not
the end of time. It is not the end of humanity,
it's not destruction. They're talking about the end of a cycle,
the end of consciousness. They believe that all the shamanic
objects crystal skulls are coming surfacing now to aid human
beings in this shift of consciousness. This is the meaning
why these mayans are coming to our conferences. They're talking

(01:42:49):
about the time for the tribes to wake up, come
together now and share all these objects that can help
us with our consciousness growth. Yes, there are those that
say I mean, there are those. I am not as
we un I discussed that we were in person. I
am not one of the so called ancient aliens crowd.
I'm not one on one one who finds an anomaly
on our planet, an amazing artifact like the shrinks, like

(01:43:11):
the Great prived and said, oh, human beings could not
possibly have done that, must have been done by aliens.
I believe in contact. I am a part of an
indigenous wisdom tradition that says we are star seeds, we
are not alone. You and I have talked about that.
We have different opinions on that. But this idea to
take away our power, to take away our history, our
legacy by saying all the things we couldn't have done that,

(01:43:33):
so aliens must have done it nonsense. I say, these
crystal skulls were carved by ancient peoples, highly advanced, highly spiritually,
highly technologically advanced. I think a lot of the skulls
I've talked about, like Max, like Shauna Rock, perhaps Einstein,
were carved by the Omechs, perhaps ten thousand years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Okay, so a fair car find ancient civilization. What happened
to the ancient civilization? Now, when I raise this, bear
in mind that look at our civilization, I say, if
it all disappeared tomorrow, a couple of thousand years down
the pike, there wouldn't be much left of it to
research exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
And that's the point of the whole meeting of why
we talked about cycles, same thing my Egyptian teacher talked about,
same thing I heard from donal Lejandro and the Mayan elders.
Nothing moves in this whole idea of Darwinian linear evolution
is one paradigm that needs to be flushed down the toilet.
Nothing moves in a straight line. Everything moves in cycles.
Civilizations have risen and fallen, risen and fallen, risen and fallen.

(01:44:32):
We don't have physiological archaeological evidence of civilization but if
you talk to Michael Krimo and the Vaders, they're talking
about civilization being millions of years old. Okay, the end
of a great These civilizations did not disappear. They just
went the same thing. We say, the Sphinx was car
fifty four thousand years ago. Where are the people that

(01:44:54):
carved it? They went just went to cycles. We went
the high civilization to low civilization. We're coming back our
of the dark ending.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Okay, So what happened? Did they have some kind of
nuclear war? What happened? Do they leave this planet because
of change conditions?

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
I just think they outstripped their environment. It's believed perhaps
some of the Mayas just outstripped their natural environment. They
had to leave this city. The old mech disappear. We
don't know why they disappear. They transform into the Maya.
It's just the cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Okay, So therefore maybe space.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
They the calendar is the old met calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Excuse me, Stephen, trying to get a question in at
Troyce here. Okay, So maybe and we're just theorizing here. Okay,
we have the ancient civilization forty thousand years ago. Conditions
get bad here, the environment's going to help. Okay, so
they say, you know what, we have space travel. Let's
go to Zeta reticular and spend our time there and
maybe a couple of thousand years or forty thousand years later,

(01:45:48):
we'll come back and see what's going on. So, if
ET exists, maybe ET is our predecessor.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Quite possible. My point is if the idea that human
is the normal. So when they eventually it does come
down and it's on all the television as a live meeting,
when they come out of the ship, they're gonna look
like a leave them, leave them they I mean, that's
really where it is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
It's gonna be Michael Rennie and The Day the Earth
Stood Still.

Speaker 6 (01:46:13):
That was a movie to turn me on, the first
movie that got me, told me into the idea.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
That was a great I have to say this in retrospect.
If you're going to look at Day the Earth Stood Still,
do not watch the Keanu Reeves version. It's just a
bad movie. Go and rent or stream from Netflix or whatever.
The original The Day the Earth Stood Still directed by

(01:46:40):
Robert Wise, who also directed the sound of Music Star
Trek the motion picture and actually believed in UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
With Patrician Needil and Billy Gray.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Yeah, so I think the point by the way, by.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
The way, let me just give you the synchronicity. Then
we'll go break for the next final portion the synchronicity
about the day there it stood still. Remember where Klatt
two is shot down by the military seeking him out
near DuPont Circle in Washington, DC, very close to where
they located the headquarters of the National Investigation Committee on

(01:47:16):
Aerial Phenomena Nightcap. I'm serious, folks. Not too many years
after that movie, you see NICAP located just across from
DuPont Circle, stones throw away, very close to where in
the movie at least they shot down Michael Rennie before
he resurrected himself in the spaceship.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
So there's just a coincidence. Of course, you shouldn't read
anything into that, just a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
I'm not reading anything into it. I think if you
want a cheap office space, they happened to find the
right cheap office space because Nightcap never had any money,
so they had to find something. So nobody said, because
I think I'm the only one whoever was crazy enough
to point this out over the years, nobody suggested it
was a scene in a popular science fiction movie. Stephen

(01:48:01):
Maylor joins us, I'm Jean Steinberg. The co host is
Chris O'Brien, and for one more time this week, you're
in the Para cast. You're in the para cast.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Next, Okay, So from movies to crystal skulls to jade skulls,
to ancient civilizations, to Atlantis, Lemuria, whatever you want to
call it. Stephen Maylor joins us, I'm Jeen Steinberg. You're
in the Para Cast with Chris O'Brien as the co host. Chris,

(01:48:49):
you have some final questions to bring it on home.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
Well, yeah, I think, and it's important that we do
talk about the Maya in context with our conver station
with Stephen today and Steve, when you brought up a
good point that the Maya, the Maya are saying now
the modern Maya, that some of these power objects and
these these trans these instruments of transformation, if you will,

(01:49:13):
for lack of a better term, are coming out and
are somehow going to play some sort of role or
part in this coming time period that we're right actually
kind of in the middle of, right, now, and that
is the end of three cycles of three different Mayan calendars.
I think we're going into what fourteen aho, I think
we'd be in the long count. Give us a little

(01:49:34):
bit more of a sense of of what they're thinking
is on this. So what role are these objects going
to play in this coming time period that we're now
kind of going into full steam here?

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Well, that's great because this also goes with what was
predicted to me. But my Egyptian teacher who predicted a
lot of these things over ten years ago which are
happening now. The end of the cycle is going to
be characterized by discovering things that we felt were lost,
and that my teacher aking would say, nothing is ever lost. Donallejandro,

(01:50:06):
the spiritual headative Teach Maya, said the exact same thing
to me. I was fortunate enough to have a personal
darshan with him at the time. At the end of
a cycle as we're coming to now, of course, is
characterized by these magnificent, spectacular earth changes. The mother of
tsunamis the mother of earthquake, the mother of volcanoes, et cetera.
But it also is that things are uncovered. If you

(01:50:28):
look what I do is every day. I searched the
net to see if archaeological finds going on around the world,
very obscure websites sometimes and it is I mean, they
have just found this incredible cash of inca tombs. I mean,
my insights are being found all the time. Predicted that
the power objects would be found, would be uncovered again
to aid human consciousness, to aid people in the shift,

(01:50:50):
so that again I would talk to all the spe skeptics.
We are listening to us tonight, and if you can,
I invite you to come to the eleven eleven eleven
Chris Skull Conference that will be at the Sheraton Hotel
right near Lax. We're going to have a gallery of
ancient skulls, a tremendous gathering for temporary skulls. I defy
anyone to step in that room and not say they

(01:51:11):
cannot feel something, that they cannot feel the energy that
the crystals can create, the energies among the people, the enthusiasm,
and again we had over five hundred people attended conference
in New York City ten ten ten. We got tons
of feedback from people afterwards, people saying the event changed
their lives, I mean change their lives the things are

(01:51:31):
coming together now to raise consciousness, to make people realize
that we're in this together. We are not an isolated,
solitary species. We are a social species. Human beings have
accomplished what they have by cooperation as opposed to competition,
and so that's what we're coming to now, that to
understand that we're a group consciousness where human beings we're
all in this together. These objects, crystal skulls, whatever people find,

(01:51:55):
the ancient artifacts owned by the Maya of the omeg
they help people raise their consciousness to become more aware.
That's what the shift is. We're going to a degree
now where we're going to become more conscious. That's what
the Maya says, what the Egyptian said, They're all saying
the same thing. So all these objects are being covered
out again, artifacts tombs coming all around the world. We're

(01:52:17):
finding ancient artifacts that to use to help people with
the shift in consciousness. That's what December twenty first, twenty
twelve represents, not the end of the world, end of
a cycle, the next cycle of the higher consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
I'm tired of hearing all that end of the world
talk relating to the Mayan calendar I happen to see
a documentary on ancient civilizations on the History Channel a
number of years ago, and they made the outrageous claim
that the Maya were an extinct people who disappeared in
the thirteen and fourteen hundreds, not realizing that the Maya
the largest group of Indigenous Americans. There's like four or

(01:52:55):
five I think million Maya.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
The Hubris right, but they're waiting. What's interesting is this
four to five million people are listening to their elders,
like Don Alejandro, like Onmbat's Mom, like Don Pedro, who're
telling them now it's time to reclaim your cities, reclaim
your rituals, bringing out the power objects again to get it.
You know, let a little bit of this Spanish Catholicism
start to wear away. Let's go back to our ancient ealings.

(01:53:20):
Let's go back to our ancient way. And that's beautiful
because a lot of them Mayan youth now are suddenly
getting inculcated for the oldest now to get back to
learning the old ways.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Well, do you think the Maya may have some crystal
skulls that they haven't allowed the public knowledge of, and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
That without a doubt, like without a doubt. Like I said,
we just had a Mayan a jade crystal skull surface
that's been hiding in the Yucatan from millennia. There's other
crystal skulls the Mayas are bringing out. They're claiming their ancient.
I have to see them, attest them. Some of them aren't.
I mean, some of them are modern. But yes, answer
the question, they definitely have artifacts that they've been holding

(01:53:55):
back that they're bringing out. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Well, you mentioned something very enigmatic when we talked the
earlier this spring about a crystal skull that you asked
me not to mention about. And I'm wondering, is there
has there been any developments on this particular front. Is
there anything that you can talk about yet.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
That is it? It is a jade crystal scope, the
largest artifact that we've known. If you can google this,
there is a jade head actually the head of a
Maya which came out of one of the tombs. Incredible.
It must be ten twelve pounds of jade. It is
one of the sacred artifacts in one of the museums
in the Yucatan. It is now this crystal scupe that's

(01:54:37):
come out, which is larger up until now. This jade
head has been called the largest jade artifact ever found
out of Central America. Now this crystal scope has emerged.
This jade crystal scope has emerged, which is bigger than
this head, and it's going to become public soon. So
this is going to be the spectacular because they've never
seen a jade scope this big.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
Now, I've heard rumors over the years of a obsidian
crystal skull. Have you ever heard of a black obsidian skull?

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Yes, but it would not have been Again, there are
those that say that there were obsidian skulls, that Hitler
and the Nazis had Obsidian skulls. Obsidian skulls cannot be
used because of the nature of obsidian. It wouldn't be
a very positive thing. It wouldn't be a positive stone
to use. So ken they could have possibly be used

(01:55:24):
for negative negative thing, but I've never seen one. But
it's interesting that obsidian. If you put a quartz crystal
skull in an obsidian box, you cannot track it. Nick
Nolserno used to psychically track all these skulls throughout Mexico,
knew where they were moving. He used to talk about
a rose quart skull with a movable jaw, which he
thinks the Mitchell Hedgerscoe has made a copied of as

(01:55:46):
a modern copy. He couldn't track it because it was
kept in an obsidian box. Subsidian blocks energy and vibrations.
It wouldn't be a good positive one to use. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
I could see Himler wanting one definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Again, this is surface. The Himless skull has surfaced. I've
seen a picture of it. From a picture, it looks
like it could be modern again, I'd have to see it,
have it tested. A Swiss journalist now has owned it.
It was found in an attic object, obviously from the ESS.
The skull like obviously had a tag on it saying
it was Hitler Scoll. This journalist has it. He's going
to be bringing it out, but we don't know if
it's legitimate or not. But it was the skull that

(01:56:22):
was owned by I mean this. Eventually, we now have
physical proof of the rumors we had for you that
the Nazis had skull, that the SS had crystal skulls
were three riches with him. We now have Himless skull.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
First, skulls didn't help them win the war obviously, or.

Speaker 4 (01:56:37):
The sphere of Longinas.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
It happens to be one of the one of the
maxims of working in magic. If you continue to work
in black magic, it will eventually bring you down. So
nobody succeeds whoever uses these objects total for negativity.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
Let's hope the politicians in Washington understand that concept.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
One way or another. The goodle learn.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
Well, we don't want them to learn the wrong way,
do we. No, please just learn, politicians, be careful how
you use Twitter when you go about your business. Yeah,
I'm not gonna go No, No, we won't do.

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
We don't want to see any Wieners on there.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
That's a rather weeny kind of joke, isn't it. Listen, folks,
all right, Stephen Maylor, tell our listeners where they can
find more of the things that you're about.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
I'm going to be leading a tour to Egypt Tiber
fifteen to twenty ninth. Go to a website Bodymindspirit Journeys
one word dot com. Check on Journeys. You'll see how
bio of me and my work. We're doing the Crystal
Skulls again Adventures Unlimited Press. It's the Crystal Skull astonishing
portals to man's past with David Hatchetchovis, and myself.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Oh of Chris. David's a friend of the show, Chris O'Brien.
Where do we find more of your stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
Well, you can always find me at the forum paracast
dot com. I'm one of the moderators. I check in daily,
and also I'm revamping my website Our Strange planet dot com,
which hopefully the new updated version will be available soon,
but until then, my site is our Strange planet dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
We will still be but it might look a little
bit different, prettier, more flexible. We're working on it. Steven Maaylor,
thank you so much for joining us this week. I'm
the parac Cast.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Thank you, Gene. I enjoyed it very much.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
The para Cast is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
A copulated presentation of making the Impossible incorporated.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Tune in next week for a new adventure in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
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