Classic Episode: June 3, 2007 — Derrel W. Sims and Tracie Austin-Peters - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
You've entered about power casts with your hosts Jane Steinberg and.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
David v So you know what it gets to things
like the Power Normal we get involved sometimes in issues
of freedom of speech, and it's something we take for granted.
Though sometimes freedom of speech can go a little bit
too far. And really I'll give you an example for example. Now,

(00:37):
obviously everybody who hears this show, except for the people
in Las Vegas who hear it on the regular terrestrial radio,
they're going on the internet, and so we subscribe to
a service that manages our websites, and the particular service
involved as a place near La called dream host. They

(00:57):
believe in freedom of speech such an extent. Now they
have porn sites. Okay, they have adult sites, and that
could create a problem, but they also have sites that
express viewpoints that some of us might have a problem with,
such as the American Nazi Party. So don't go read
their stuff. Okay, I will not read their stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
But the point is, of course, freedom of speech for
everybody exactly. Now, this is of course where the problem
comes up, in that people don't want to take responsibility
for what they say. And it's interesting you brought up
freedom of speech chain, because where is the line between
expressing oneself and entering into the libelous slash slanderous side

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of the equation?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
And also where is the line of saying something that
is strictly hate that constitutes hate and an organization like
that that wants to get rid of Jews, Blacks, American Indians, Asians, Arabs,
everybody but blonde haired Europeans. I think, theoretically, right, right, theoretically,

(02:05):
of course, And so at least the one thing I
did do, which is I moved our services away from
that host because I don't want to be in the
same room as the American Nazi Party. It's that equivalent.
It doesn't mean that they don't have a right to
express their hateful point of view. I just don't want
to be in the same room with them.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Sure, so you took the business elsewhere, and the hosting
service pays the price for giving those guys their freedom
of speech quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Of course, what we're really talking.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
About is freedom of speech for those who can afford it,
just like all the justice for those who can't afford it,
Because you know, the minute somebody with money goes after
you and messes with you and has a lawyer come
after you. Now, all of a sudden, your freedom of
speech is gone. And it really really comes down to
is the ability to defend oneself and to come up
with the funds to defend oneself if one wants to

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enjoy their freedom of speech. Because let's be clear about
this gene in our society, it is now about Maybe
this has always been the case, but essentially now it's
all about the money. And the paraast is not a
show about social issues and political issues, though God knows
it's something I'd like to have it be sometimes. But

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we're to point now in certainly the American experiment where
really it all boils down to class and race, and
I think in that order, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, if you have money that could overcome race, if
you are very rich, well look at, for example, at
the infamous OJ Simpson trial. Well, if you have a
couple of million dollars to throw after the biggest, most
powerful lawyers in the country, and you have a judge
who doesn't have the guts, doesn't have the ability to

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keep things under control, that you could ride rough shot
over that judge and you can gain the decision you
want right exactly, and that's I think it's clear that's
what happened there.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It wasn't a question of whether or not the guy
did it, It was a question of his representation. His
legal representation caused enough of a stir to where essentially
he could on paper get away with it, even though
I guess in the civil suit he had to pay
up the money.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, he had to pay up the money. In terms
of the court ruling, he has not paid a dime.
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's always interesting, of course to attach a dollar value
to a life. I think that's always been a real
fascinating thing as far as these things go. But essentially, Geane,
freedom of speech is really a relative term at this
point in our world. I'll just talk about what's going
on in this country right now, where everybody is real
busy saying stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Everybody's got an opinion.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
There's an old saying we won't go into here on
the air because it's questionable and it wouldn't fly in
the Vegas terrestrial broadcast.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
But opinions are like bleep.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Everybody has one, So basically everybody has to voice their
whether or not they can back it up with anything.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And it certain about ROSI o'donnald here, Well, no, because
I don't care about her. I don't either. I just
wonder what is so screwed up about our nation's press
that that's the most important thing that's happening now, is
rosy O'Donnell.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's not the most important. Well, that's anything that is. No, No,
that's not what they think it is. That's what the
that's the distraction of the day they've been charged with disseminating.
Let's be clear about this gene. The major media have
been bought and paid for and that's over. So to
turn to the major media at this point in time
to understand anything about our world, I think would be

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a pretty severe mistake. And God bless the Internet for
delivering alternative sources of information and news. Because this whole
idea of just even the talking head, and the importance
of the talking head, and the idea of paying a
talking head a lot of money to get up there
and look pretty and talk jive is one that doesn't

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anybody except for the corporate overlords. We're into conspiracy theory now.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Siveral lords only want ratings and advertising dollars, and they'll
pay the talking head who gets those ratings the right
amount of dollars to keep talking about nonsense, like there's
one out there who you hate. Okay, there's one talking
head out there. And the other day he said that
if you hear stuff, and if he hears stuff, people

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talking about things that he considers to be anti American
in his opinion, anti American, like, for example, sec okay,
arresting suggesting, for example, that the government somehow is involved
in a conspiracy to cause seven World Trade Center to collapse. Okay,

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if we talk about that on the air, if someone
talks about that, he says, we should contact the sponsors
and stop that talk.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's the neo Nazi. He's a fascist who cares what
he says. His agenda's right on the open and we
know we all know who we are talking about, Yes
we do. This is the ultimate hypocrite, Like all of
those guys are absolutely hypocritical in every way. They say
one thing out of one side of their mouth while
they're doing the other thing out of the other side
of their mouth.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, it's the freedom of the speech as long as
as it's my concept of freedom of speech. If you're
saying something that is against my philosophy, my beliefs whatever. Well,
if you go too far, I'll call your sponsors, I'll
call your mother, I'll call your father, whatever, your employer,
and I'll put a stuff to it.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Right now, freedom of speech requires responsibility immaturity, neither of
which seem to be prevalent aspects of humanity in today's world. Essentially,
gene everyone has devolved to being twelve years old, name calling,
finger pointing, just raising the volume of their voices to

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compensate for any actual content, talking over people. I mean,
you look at these fashion just idiot, hair brained, inbred bastards.
And essentially they're engaging in an old, old technique, long,
long time time tested and I suppose to some extent effective,
But of course, at the end of the day, the

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piper is going to get paid. And you have these
neo fascists blowing smoke out of their beat.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And essentially, when it comes right down.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
To it, the United States and our status in the world,
our power in the world, has been severely affected, maybe
perhaps irreparably damaged. And the fascists, the ones that have
supported this nightmare, are the ones who scream the loudest
tones of patriotism. They are the least patriotic, and when

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it comes down to it, they're the first people to
fly out of here when the crapp really hits the fan,
they're the first we're going to vanish.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
We believe in freem of expression, but it has to
be my expression. If it's your express your expression happens
to disagree with mine, well that's how it goes twelve
year olds, right, Obviously, obviously it's got to be your interpretation.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Clearly on this particular show, we've had people on the
air who we disagree with and we express that disagreement.
Some people don't like the fact that we let people
on the show, and then we say, well, you know what,
that was a bunch of nonsense. Well that's who we are.
We might as well change the channel, too bad. If
they don't like it, don't listen to the show. We're

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not going to stop expressing our opinions. If we bring
people on the show and we decide that they're saying
something we don't agree with, fine, But if you have
another opinion, that's great too. Express your opinion. Write us,
go to our message boards, go into our forums. Write
a book. If you write a book, we'll get you
on the air. Here you go, sure, give a lecture.

(09:51):
Whatever it's going to happen today on the Para Cast,
we happen to be getting back to a subject we
haven't talked to too much lately, which is UFO abductions.
And the gentleman we're going to be talking to is
first time on the show. Darryl Simms coming up next
on the Power Cast.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
I'm repeating, we're.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
You're a little eric which.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
In evernote, so you said her next.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
So, Darryl Simms, they call you the Alien Hunter? How
did you get that title?

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Well, actually the title came to me. I was speaking
one night to a doctor and this was out. I
was in Georgia at the time, and a writer was
listening to my conversation. The doctor was inviting me to
speak to two hundred and fifty surgeons on medical complications
of alleged human alien contact, specifically the implant phenomenon that
I had discovered. And this was nineteen ninety four, and

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she overheard me and is interview with me and she says,
oh my god, you hunt them. Well, she's a contact tee,
so she couldn't deal with that. You actually hunt them,
you're hunting them. I looked at her and smiled, and
I said, I hunt them that hunted me and hunted
my son. I said, you can hunt me and do
whatever you want for a period of time, and they
did in nineteen fifty two to nineteen sixty five for

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thirteen years. But when you come after my son or
my children, I hunt you games over.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Sounds to me like you're not very pleased with these
aliens or whatever they are.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Well, it's not personal in the sense of the word
that other than my son the aspect of it, I'm
pretty irritated by that. But the fact is that having
a police background and been in an intelligence community for
two years and Central Intelligence in COVID operations during the
Vietnam War, they have taken all of those abilities and

(11:50):
hypnotic abilities and training and various other things that I
do is a licensed private Investigators of Texas. Taking those abilities,
I've decided to focus my efforts in a I would
like to use the word scientific, but it's not completely
that because I'm not a scientist. But I focus my
efforts towards the scientific approach, and that's my primary interest

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in the phenomena to bring physical evidence to this phenomena
in a format that will bridge the gap between the
UFO people and the scientists, who basically will have almost
nothing to say to each other. One thinks the other
is crazier than the other, so or that there's some
giant conspiracy involved and so on. So I tend to

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bridge the gap. Is one scientist and Mit said, he says,
you're going to take a lot of heat from a
lot of people. He said, from us and from them.
I said, that's correct. He said, I just admire your courage,
and I said, well, I don't see what else I
can do.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
You then are like an equal opportunity offender exactly. Okay,
this sounds awfully familiar, Darrel. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
When we talked about physical evidence, we're talking about these implants,
these retrieved items objects.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (13:02):
That is correct?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
What have you done in terms of this research that
overlaps what doctor Roger Lear is doing or have you
two guys worked together at all?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'm curious.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Well, here's a conspiracy for you. Actually, I discovered implants
in nineteen sixty in my own experience, when I was
age twelve living on Ohio Street in ELM. Gordon, New Mexico.
I was conscious during the event, and I remember it.
In nineteen ninety five, I was out in California speaking
at a conference and a lady walked up to me

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and says, could you show those to this fellow here?
His a little, short, diminutive guy, and he was really
not impressed at all. I'm not sure if it was
with me or what I claim to have evidence of.
It was Roger lear And she says, this is doctor
Roger Leer And I said, are you and MD? And
he says no, he said, I'm a diatrist. I said, oh, okay,

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well let's obviously it's a four year degree which allow
him or any podiatrist to operate on any the ankle
in below. So he looked at us. He didn't even
want to look at the X rays. And I said, well,
it doesn't making me a different way you do or not.
I said, I'm just looking for someone to work with
me on some of this stuff. And he looked at

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it and he says, well, that's just a that's just
an object left from an ostiotomy. And I said, no,
it's not. He say, yes, it is. No, it's not.
If I'm a doctor. I said, well, you're a prodectrist.
You're not an MV. And I said, well, do respect sir.
I said, that's not from the nostia outomy. I said,
I've already had MVS and others look at this, and

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in fact it's there's no previous history of surgery. Well,
his jaw dropped. He says, what I said, Just what
I said. So I said, I actually have two patients,
one of the hand object implanted implanted or embedded objects
in his hand, and another one with three of the
objects on in her foot, on the top of the
foot at the bottom. And I said, I originally thought

(15:02):
it was a needle that broke and migrated, and you
think it's an osteotomy. I said, we're both wrong. That
says no history of surgery whatsoever. None. And so both
of them have conscious accounts of the UFO phenomena, specifically adductions.
And they said, well, why don't you just take them out?
And I said, well, they don't have insurance or anything,
and I'm basically in having to pay for all. It's

(15:24):
myself out of pocket. He says, well, so I could
do the foot one and I got a friend that
could do the hand and if you could get them
to California, said I'll pay for everything. I'll flew them
all out. We removed the objects Roger mentioned, and he
called me up. First. We told us, I said, before
we do any surgery, I said, let me tell you guys.
Both the MD and the p diectress said, let me

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explain something. Before you cut on anybody or do anything.
I need to make a prediction, which I made a
year before in front of two hundred and fifty surgeons.
I said, if these objects are alien in origin, they
would show no signs of an inflammatory response, either chronic
or acute. And both of them laughtists that won't be true,
and I said it will. The second thing is if

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the objects alien in origin, there will be no signs
whatsoever of technology. He said, well, that doesn't make sense.
I said, it's not about sense, it's about with them.
The third thing is if these objects alien in origin,
they will show nerve cells that are the wrong kind
in the wrong part of the body. And I said
that won't happen. Well anyway, that day after the surgery,

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eleven that night, Lear called and said, I don't know
you figure this tough out, he said, but there's no
signs of inflammatory response according to the pathologist, and they're wrong.
Nerve cells present round the objects, he said, don't make
any sense. And he said, it's in a biological cocoon.
It doesn't It just can't be. This just doesn't happen.

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And I laughed and I said, I kind of understand that.
He said, well, how did you know? And I said, well,
I said, I know a lot about this. I said,
I've experienced it in nineteen sixty in my own experience. Well,
at that point, I invited Leri to come on board
and help us with my team, which he did, and
we had some unfortunate series of events occur, and that

(17:08):
this is I mean to say this in the kindest way.
Some of the implants started to disappear. This happened on
his watch, and I was more than upset. Some of
the abductees were so upset that one of them actually
tryed to have him arrested for the theft of her object.
And then later something else happened that really floored me.

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I was a lot of times I was on in California.
He said, get on the computer. And as for all
these emails, he said, I don't know how to respond
to the people, so I would. And while I was there,
the course tax machine next too is well he was
doing somebody's foot stuff or whatever. And a very troubling
email came over and it had to do with the

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State Board of Pedietary and the Attorney General going together
with three surgeons, three actual mds, going to testify against
Roger for malpractice. And I thought, oh my god, I've
got working. He says, it's all bogus, doesn't meanything. I said, well,
doctors don't testify against each other, Roger, and when they do,

(18:11):
it's serious, it is dead serious. And they did, and
he ended up getting four years. He pled guilty and
got year of four thousand dollars five three year probation
on his license and remedial training for surgery because the
guy apparently lost the end of his foot. So anyway,
there are three things. That was the second thing. The

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third thing was our work turned up in a prolific
UFO writer's book. My implant work showed up in the
guy's book. And of course I flew up California and
confronted Roger and says, how does this happen? Since only
I know about it, and only you know about it.
He said, well, I guess it was me. So that
was the third scull broke counts back and that. So

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I said, you're out of here.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I want to ask you about the prolific writer. Okay,
you're at any edit note you happy. Next you're in

(19:21):
the Power Cast with Gene Steinberg and David Biettney. We
were talking to the alien hunter himself, Darryl Simms, and okay,
would you tell us who that prolific writer is?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (19:33):
Okay, that's how he came out with a book on implants.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Did you have any agreement with doctor Lear as to
how this information would be disclosed.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
For partners at at a corporation? Oh? Boy, I was
so angry, and so said, actually, that's not the right word,
that's anger. Would I was way past that. I was
hurt that someone that I brought in to this phenomenon
who didn't mean to believe in any of it, and
any he asked me the same question. He said, I'm
out of MD. He said, why do you Why did

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you ever choose me to work with you? And I said,
because I wanted to give you a chance. I felt
like you would understand this phenomen if I brought you
into it. I mean he already was writing some UFO
stories out there from mufan Ventura and did a good job.
But in the implant thing, I don't know. I don't know.
You say, anybody can say whatever they want, but to me,
in the UFO phenomena usually boils down two things, fame

(20:26):
and money.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
We have that problem in some of the paths and
dark alleys that we've explored on the Power Cast, which
is there was so much ego, so much manufactured controversy.
I mean, there's enough crazy stuff going on. If you
look at the UFO Enigma shorn of all the controversy
and all this other stuff.

Speaker 9 (20:46):
There's a lot of strange things going on. But no,
we have to put up with all this nonsense. But
what kind of fame and what kind of fame and
money are we talking about it?

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
At least it's the quest for same. Okay, it may
not be the realization, because if there's a realization, I'd
like to hear about it. We could always use a
few extra dollars, just you know, without selling our souls,
of course.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
But you know, I have no problem with anybody making money.
I mean, no problem at all. It's just commodities like bricks.
You can either throw in through a window or you
can build a shrine with it. You know, it's up
to you, but to do that on the backs of
our abductees. I've never charged a penny to any of
these abductees for any of my therapeutic or hypnotic work.

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I've never charged a penny for, for instance, these surgeries.
All this was done. They were placed in the finest
hotel during the surgeries, paid for their prescriptions, paid for
everything that costs any money out of my own pocket.
Because I personally have gone through this phenomenon and I
do not I have a difficulty charging people who've gone

(21:54):
through this, just like I have charging them money for
something I've already done, and I don't. I don't be
little people who do, believe me, they earn their money
as either a therapist or hypnotist or you know. I
know there are a lot of other people that do
charge for this, and I don't care. That doesn't bother me.
I'm not saying they're wrong in doing it. I'm saying
I would be wrong. For me, it would be wrong,

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So I just can't do that. No, I'm not some
heavyweight moralist. It's just that it's like it's like having
had something horrific happened to you in your life, and
you turn and charge people for soil experience because you
figured out how to get out or how to get
help or victory over it or something. And I just
can't do that for myself.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Just so, Daryl, let me ask you a question, how
do you afford to do this then? Because that can
get to be a pretty price.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Now we're back into conspiracy. Let's see, since you cost
you all this money to do all this stuff, you
must be still employed by the CIA. They're giving you
secret money. And I said, I wish they would that.
I had a falling out with them in nineteen seventy
one seventy and ended up sent to the Land of

(23:04):
the Morning Calm for the rest of my duration of
my enlistment. So I don't think I'll be getting any
checks from the government. Real estate investor and do real
estate investing, and that's how I financed my own work
in the UFO field.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
The Land of the Morning Colm Korea.

Speaker 8 (23:22):
Here was a punishment. I brought a congressional investigation against
the Central intelligent saintcy in doing so. When you first
go in and when you're finally accepted and you gave
your top figure clearance in the whole nine yards, they
refer to you as family. I mean literally the day
that you'd crossed them in any way, shape or form,
like bring the Congressional investigations to a top secret installation,

(23:43):
you're my family. Anymore, you know, you lose your status,
so I won't be getting any checks from anybody from
the government, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
All right, So you've been looking at this phenomenon for
a long time, Yes, sir, you referred to it as
extraterrestrial phenomenon. How do you know it's extraterrestrial.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Well, I use the term.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
Generically extraterrestrial, and I will make a clear, a clear
delineation here for myself. I am not under the impression
it's extraterrestrial. I am under the impression that it is
ultra super super or something else terrestrial. By that, I mean,
I'm not sure they're not from inside the planet. I mean,

(24:24):
they smell like sulfur, so that could indicate they come
from here. I'm not sure that they are not ultradimensional
because some of that is recorded as well. I am
also of the opinion that when they're here in three dimensions,
that just as vulnerable as you and I are, and
we have plenty of anecdotal and other evidence to support that.

(24:47):
I think Roswell, if it's the true story and they
do have the craft, is probably the best evidence of that.
I hear all the time statements from people that they're
this and they're that, And as I speaking at another conference,
I'm in California, excuse me, I have the same time
when I met Roger, a gentleman walked up to me.
I'm a real tall guy, big guy, and he says,
mister Samlas, Yes, and he says, my name is Ron

(25:08):
and he said I'm a DSP satellite specialist and I said, wow,
that sounds cool. He said, like for you go home
with me and like talk to you. He said, I
have a secret clearance and I understanding of top secretness.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
He said, I think we can figure out how to
con verse, and I said I think we can, and
he gets me these house starts cooking dinner and he
says two questions. First of all, why did you start
looking at the alien and alien evidence in the infrared,
ultra violet, and visible range. I said, because that's how
they see. He said, I beg your pardon. I said,
they see in the infrared, ultraviolet and infrared range. He said,

(25:41):
how do you know that, I said, because I was there.
I'm an eyewitness. I was there. And he says, wow.
He said, well, I work on the I actually designed
some of the components of the DSP spy sddllite that's
the one in the movie Enemy of the State. And
they can read your watch from twenty three hundred miles up.
And that's not a class by the way, you can
imagine what is. He said, We actually used the infrared,

(26:05):
ultra violet, invisible range with the three eyes on the satellite,
or eighteen of them. I said yes, And I said,
have you ever seen UFO at anytime at the d
SP satellite the flying saltwer? He said absolutely not. I said,
have you ever seen a faster slow walker? He smiled
and said, well, of course. I said, if I would
use the term UFO or flying software as the wackos
may be out there, do well, people like me and

(26:28):
I use interchangeably the word fast walker and slow walker
with your definition, could those be construed to be the same.
He smiled and says, I can either confirm nor deny
that segment. Well, what that means is yes, I said,
are you time to tell me that you? I said,
my question to you is when UFOs wink out they

(26:49):
go to another dimension or where everybody thinks they're going.
I said, They're still there, aren't they. He smiled and
sugges He said they just moved some visible to infrared
or ultra violet. He said, they're still there. We can
still see them.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
This is the Paracast with your hosts Gie Steinberg and
David Bietny. You never know what's going to happen next.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
If you're in the Power Cast with Gene Steinberg and
David Bihetni, we're talking to Daryl Simms, who calls himself
the alien Hutter.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I want to ask you a question about infrared ultra
violet because I think that's a very interesting notion and
it leads to two issues. A. Those are two separate
parts of the spectrum at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
What they share is.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
They're both beyond the normal range of human vision. And
B does that mean if you had an infrared camera
looking up at the sky. You'd see a lot of
things that you wouldn't see under normal circumstances.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
You might see something I don't know. You'd have to
actually test that and see. What I'm saying is the
DSP satellite has been looking at things called fast and
slow walkers that appear in visible light, infrared, ultra violet,
and they cannot deem them as craft of any kind
that they know anything about that. They have records of these,
and I asked for those records and received some of them.
What those records show to me is that the United

(28:18):
States government, of the DSP satellite program, the Defense System
Program satellite has bonified information of the proper ascension, declamation
and time of those events. And if you could get
those logs and catalog those times and dates with abduction
events already recorded, you probably have United States Government furnishing
you with physical evidence of a immutable form showing that you,

(28:40):
in fact may have had a UFO in your exact
area when that event occurred, and they're probably a good
record of it. So I think that's the prole purpose.
It's a satellite of what that system will.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Do, all right, So government is monitoring these episodes what
do you think they.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
Are simply because they let's assume they don't know what
they are, they didn't want to. I think they have
a much better idea by now. But the fact is,
of course you would monitor it that anytime. I have
five postulates that I espouse, and those postulates basically start
off with the idea that if UFOs are real, then
they infect have some type of If they're really real,

(29:16):
then there has to be evidence of it. Yet there
has a government, public and other photographs and witnesses is on.
And if that's true, then those photographs have to be
available until you have to be able to see them.
We have. If it's also true then that the UFOs
are real, that there is in fact actual interactions with
them by the government and other not limited to any
one group of people, then the next precept has to
be true, and that is the fact. That is, if

(29:37):
that's a bus, so to speak, just like an airplane,
then somebody's driving the bus. They are under intelligent control
of sometime and therefore somebody's driving the bus. You wouldn't
expect to see a bus driving down the street with
nobody in it. Normally you think that if it's under
intelligent control. Somebody's controlling it from external or from within.
The third thing is the fact that that is all true.
That in fact, and these things have been around for

(29:59):
a long time. They have from Alexander the Great describing
them as flying shields above his battles, to the Ottoman
Empire the Islamics describing the same thing, and these flying
shields watching these battles as an example, which is very
telling in itself from my view. All that being true,
and they're historical, what you have is a phenomenon that's
been watching us for quite a while, and they seem

(30:22):
to be watching us in a much more distinct form
because they're also watching the military aspect of us, inasmuch
as nukes and this sort of thing. But the fact
is they've been watching quote unquote the battle for a
long time, and they're interested, in my opinion, not in
those little rinking wars people chucking spears at each other
and shooting arrows. But they're more interested in who's in

(30:43):
those battles and their entire lineages. And I think the
abductees are a product of some of this observation.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Let's go into the abductions, because you've spent so much
of your research times that you had encounters when you
were very young. Now did they come out through hypnosis
or do you have a conscious memory of them?

Speaker 8 (31:03):
Well, I'm glad you asked. Someone told me he said,
if you ever heard Jim Sparks And I said no,
And it says, well, he's going to be on a
peer at the conference a peiod Lawflin. I said, great,
I'll hear him. Said well, his adventure are conscious and
I said, well, so am mine. And I said oh,
and I said so I listened to this conference and
what I basically heard from him was that he sometimes
can't make a distinction between that which was fake that

(31:26):
he saw and that which was real that he saw,
because these entities are extremely deceptive and there it's just
like we were an intelligence community. They hide and they lie,
and I mean it's they do that, and there's a
purpose and strategy to that. The bottom line is that
my events, the difference between me and Jim, I think

(31:48):
is that I remember the difference between my two events.
I know when they pulled the wool over my eyes
and I remember the time when it wasn't. And of
course I look for evidence of both of those so,
and I work with a bucks on a long same
line to basically get past the screensaver so to speak.
Or they screen screensaver on the computer of your brain,

(32:09):
so to speak. And if you just shake that computer,
they will screensaver will disappear. And you have to know
how to do that. And you don't have to use
hypnosis to uncover all this stuff. Number one. It hypnosis,
in my opinion, is dangerous, could be, andotherapy, of course
is not. The difference is that anyone can learn to
hypnotize anyone, but that doesn't guarantee you memory. Memory and

(32:31):
recall are not the same thing. You can recall. And
I did this for a group out in California and
in front of a bunch of therapists and psychiatrists, and
I had hypnotized a hypnotist and did a stage show
with them. So they were having a blast riding this
little rickety bus with this while she was a little kid.
After it's over, she's telling us all this amazing stuff
went on the bus as it sweetie, I said, you're

(32:52):
sitting in his chair. No one ever saw you leave.
You didn't go anywhere. Well a face turned red. She says,
oh yeah, that's a bit to you. Everything was real.
She said, yes, that said that's called screen memory, or
that's not real memory. I said, that is, in fact.
Just recall you're recalling what you felt or thought or
saw in your brain. That is not necessarily the truth
because you didn't go anywhere. Then I took another person

(33:13):
out of the audience who was an abductee you I'd
never worked with, walked her up front. She's very nervous.
I said, just look at me. So we're not going
to do any hypnosis. I just want to I asked
you two questions. She said, okay. I asked her two
questions and instantly took her to the memory and she
started crying uncontrollably and started describing her encounter with this
Nordic type being that was in her event, and it

(33:34):
required no hypnosis whatsoever. So hypnosis isn't the magic bullet,
and it is in fact inappropriate a lot of times
and even shamelessly done with a lot of these people
in my view, simply because well, if you found a dinosaur,
dinosaur bones underneath, the bones sticking out, and oh my gosh,
this could be a tea rectional, you wouldn't go get

(33:56):
your neighbor who has a front end loader, come dig
it up for you. Actually, go get somebody who knew
what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Sure, and when you tear someone's experience up like this
with all these well, we use a dissertion of technique
to recover memory. That's a technique we used to destroy
memory and therapy such as phobias.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
You're a new paracast when jee's David baa a Ever
notes on happen Next you're in the Powercast with Jeans
Steinberg and David Bied and you were talking to Daryl Simms,
the Alien Hunter, and he's author of a book called
Alien Hunter The Evidence in Light. And I guess this

(34:47):
is something that David and I wonder about here with
regard to the various hypnotic sessions, and that is the
danger that the abduction experience doesn't exist beyond the session.
It's somehow the head and it has done something to
instill the belief for the memory of this encounter. What
do you think of that?

Speaker 8 (35:05):
Okay, I've a debated doctor Susan Clancy, doctor Blackmore and
others on these issues, and they say we can create
an abductee basically in the lab. And I said, well,
doesn't that I said, you're missing the point. Doesn't it
tell you how powerfully some of these people have been
affected that never made it to your lab. It gives
you an idea thatid head equipment and other stuff you're

(35:28):
putting on these people and things you're putting them through.
It gives you an idea of the kind of bizarre
stuff that these people have actually had to go through.
I said, you installed it, these people didn't. I said,
on the other hand, can people imagine? Of course they can,
I said the problem. And when CNN called and said, well,
there only three people in the United States said we
consider the top people you Bud Hopkins and doctor Jacobs,

(35:49):
and I said, well, thank you. Nice to being a
good company. I said, we'd like to you debate doctor
student Clancy. I said, there is no argument, there's no discussion.
I said, I'm familiar with the work, and I respect
it that you're because you're uninformed, you're going to parrot
things that you don't understand. They said, give us an example.
I said, I'll give you the truth. I said, for instance,
what she's saying is that these events are as a

(36:11):
result of sleep proalysis and these various different states can occur.
To you, I said, no one disagrees with this, I said,
with the problem is this, I said, sixty five to
sixty eight percent of these events in the United States
occur while people are wide awake walking around ninety two
percent of them. In South America they're completely wide awake.
I said, So, at what point do you want me

(36:33):
to consider sleep paralysis as a valid concern when these
people are awake or she got quiet. This is one
of the top people in CNN came to my home
for two days to film. She said, well, we had
no idea, And I said, that's the problem. You don't
you allow people to tell you and to set the
format for how that's going to be, and then everybody
has to answer within their format. The problem is, I said,

(36:57):
my experience, I said, I was hunting when I was
fourteen years old with a twenty two rifle. When I
live now, I'm going to go to New Mexico out
there near White Sands in Hallman Air Force States, and
I was abducted in the desert while I had a
wifle with load. It was seventeen twenty two rounds in
it period. I wasn't having flea prolysis. I said, doesn't
make any sense. I said, if you were smart, you

(37:18):
would have picked someone instead of these people. You would
picked doctor Jean Munday, a professor Meredith Long Island University
who is a specialist in specifically the area of hallucination
and how memory is actually formed. She would tell you
that she has already worked with many abductees and found
the vast majority of them not to have any mental

(37:39):
defactory imagination whatsoever, not fantasy prone individuals and so on.
The point is, she says, hallucination is not constructed this way,
and people are assuming hallucination works this way and it
doesn't anyway. The long story short is they did not
put that on the TV. That's for sure. And I
said the second thing is in these waking states or
unwaking states, it doesn't matter. I said, We're coming up

(38:02):
with fluorescence on these people. We're coming up with physical
markings that could not have occurred. We're coming up with
cases where people have been hospitalized. We're coming up with
cases in two cases I have in Dallas, Texas, where
the children actually died as a result of their encounters.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's my point is what well we stop stop, stop
a second. Two cases where they died as a result
of the encounter.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Can you tell us a bit about that collaborate please, Well,
I can give you that and also.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
Give you cases in Brazil as well where people have
been injured or even died. And a plug for someone's
book is deceased. Is a book called UFO Danger Zone
by Bob Pratt, and it's ten years of excellent field
work done by Bob Pratt in Brazil in which abductees farmers,

(38:52):
mostly just many of them South American Indians. The Indian
population attacked and assaulted by UFOs out of the Amazonian
Basin river. They were referred to as chupatupas apparently by
the noise that they made when they came up out
of the water. The point is that these people were
often injured, hurt, and some of them died as a

(39:13):
result in their events. That's documented in that book UNIFO
Danger Zone. Bob Prepp. Second is there is historical record,
regardless of what I'm fixing to tell you. I debated
this with my buddy Ted Oliphant, and this story is
in my book Under the Fluorescence. When he talked about
about cattle mulations being primarily the government doing it. And

(39:33):
I said, no, sure, they're not. I said, it's not us,
it's them. And he said no, and I said, it's
actually exactly both. And he said, no, it's just him.
I said, no, it's not. And I the fact is,
I said, there are massive reports, far older than we
had airplanes. I said, back in the eighteen hundred, I said,
I can give you a report after report after report
of acres, not a cow, acres of meat being dropped

(39:57):
out of the sky, and in some accounts the meat
has been sliced. Now this is eighteen hundreds. And in
a number of the cases they were body parts, infos
and some of them were human. Now, these were discovered
by doctors and various different people and engineers and others
looked at it and made these determinations in eighteen hundreds,
I said, who do you suppose in the government is

(40:18):
flying an airplane around them doing all this. Well, the
argument just seized at that point. I said, like I said,
I said, this thing is bigger than you think. Yes,
the government is involved in it. He said, well, the
b helicompter show. And I said, duh. I said, all
the Intelligent Community has to do is specifically NSA has
to do, is make a phone call and said, we're
looking for this two hundred and sixty seven nimeter length

(40:38):
of fluorescence on any thing in the cow or deer
population in the state of Kansas. They tell that to DSP.
They turn on their camera, their cameras eighteen cameras to
go by every twelve minutes and they look and if
I see a signature in florescence, So two hundred and
sixty nine sixty seven nanimeters is an example, which is
what you might find on the cow the same floors

(41:00):
that's that you found on the abductees. They call it in.
They don't know. They're not part of a conspiracy. They
don't get it, they don't know. They're just doing their job.
They report back to NSA and say, we have a
cow out here in this field and this farmer's ranch
out here, blah blah blah, here the coordinates. And next
thing you see is a black helicopter flying out there.
I said, it's not a conspiracy, ted, I said, they're

(41:21):
catching the floris and signature which I already have of
these entities that have touched these cows. They leave a
florescent trace on them, just like they do on humans.
The point is that this trace, then it can be
picked monitored by a DSP satellite and they'll send out
by Kelly. And these guys are going to pick the
cow up, not because they are the ones that want
to mutilate it, because they want to find out whatever

(41:42):
they whoever they are, whatever they did to it. They
want to know. I mean, I would if I don't
all these cows before they got mutilated, I'd do that too.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
You're in the para cast with Geen Steinberg and David Beetney.
You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Next, you're in the para cast with Geen Steinberg and
David Biedney, and we have one more session with Darryl Simms,
the alien Hunter, author of a book called Alien Hunter.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
David, Well, this really now begs some important question, Daryl,
what do you think is going on here? What are
these entities? Why are they putting implants and people? Well,
let's cut right to it. What's the interest in cows?
What's the interest in youson cows?

Speaker 8 (42:35):
Very good, it's not just cows. Number of our abductees,
even children, will report mutilations on rabbits, birds, squirrels and
so on. One little child was asking to say, about
four and a half years old, is what are they
What are they doing with it? He says, sometimes they
take the black thing out of the eye of the pupil,

(42:56):
out of the animals, like either a cow or these
small animals use impression was He said, maybe they use
it further eye. He didn't know what. The bottom line
is that there is an interest and has been for many,
many years before we ever had airplanes in the mutilation
of animals and people and so on. I was doing
a show for the X Files and they asked me

(43:16):
to go on. I refused about ten times, and finally
the guys that will pay you and I said, I'm
not interested, and he said he really stroked me. He says, look,
he said, you're an ex CIA or military police officer
or this or that and all this, please come on.
You got to do it for your fology. And I
said all right. And I said, but I'm going to
ruin your show. I said, cause I'm not going to
be what you want and they'm going to be your parent.

(43:37):
And he said, okay, we don't care. The first question
out of the box. He said, you feel like the
X File has helped you and I said not at all.
We'll over your shock. And then he said, well, I said,
I'm some of you. You call me in the middle night,
I thought, but he says, well, what time cases do
you handle? And that's exactly what I wanted you to ask.
And I said, well, down in Brazil, I said, a
guy was found crying in the bushes the next morning

(44:00):
by several children who went to school. They recognize his voice,
and I said, this place has no electricity, no TV,
so I know they weren't watching the X Files. I
got this on film, by the way, because they gave
it to me. They were so impressed with it. And
the children came over and they were horrified to see
that the man in their community had had his eyes

(44:20):
surgically removed. I said, before you go into the conspiracy,
thing is, oh, yeah, there's doctors wondering around the jungles
of these places looking for people's eyeballs so they can
remove them and resell them. I said, the eyes were
not removed in that fashion. I said, the guy actually
went completely insane. It was about two or three years
that had happened afterward. He finally went insane and he's

(44:40):
interned in the mental hospital right now in Brazil. I said,
you want to put that on your X file show,
And of course then I got pretty bent out of
shape and I said, now, I said, I want to
thank Chris Carter for sealing my fluorescence implants and the
military part of the abduction stuff and putting it on
your show. I said, you should at least give credit
for where you get your stuff, and they admitted it

(45:01):
on film on the internet.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Take so great, But let's get back to the question
what's going on here? What is the purpose of removing
body parts from an animal and then throwing the rest
of the animal back?

Speaker 8 (45:15):
A good question that the military and specifically not military
NSA and part of the Central Intelligence and the Office
enabled investigations, in my opinion, and I don't know it's
just an educated guest are involved in this. Well, some
of the stuff they do. The entities themselves, And I
use the word entity because I'm not really sure what
an alien is. That's a BANDI term. But I don't

(45:37):
know where they come from, who they are. I'm just looking.
That's why we look for physical evidence and part of
it has to do with the cattle stuff, the mutilation
part or the deaths of high strange. This is so
alarming to us that it strains the credulous of the
so called alien and any human being who could sit
there and try to defend that, particularly when you see

(45:57):
the marks and cuts and things I've seen on doctor
Carter Turner's husband and herself as an example before her death,
and horrible caught some things on people that are not
self inflicted. Files are full of this sort of thing.
And so when people stand there and tell me they're
here to say the planet fixed FiOS on hole and
so on, I asked them, when do you think they're
going to get started. They've been here for at least

(46:19):
six thousand years and they haven't done any of that.
But they have left the trail of damage and scared
people and left a lot of cultures completely in the dark,
and literally took and mythologized their existence so that you
can't hardly even find them except in the myths and
the cultures of these various people.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
It sounds like they're pretty nasty beings that they really
don't like us. They're not here to do anything good.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
They're not here to save anybody's planet. They're here. Whatever
they're here for, I'll give you this much. Whatever they're
here for is what they were here for originally. Now
the problem is they've changed the tune of that to
every culture that came along. We are now educated, we're smart,
we're Americans and Europeans, and so fairies are not going

(47:04):
to work anymore. The gin of Islam is not going
to work anymore. So now they're aliens. How's that suit you?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Well, that actually goes pretty close to things we've been
discussing on the para cast recently, where for many of
us look at this topic, it seems like there's there's
misdirection and deception going on.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
That is the name of the game. In fact, in
my opinion, head of discussion with the theologian to well
back and he said, he said, I have probably said
some Christians, and I said, was oh Mi. And he says,
I can't figure out why our stuff over here, which
I believe to be true. And one of the UFO
community they got their stuff over here, and he said,
I also think that's true. One of these two don't marry,

(47:42):
And I said, because you're both looking through your own glasses,
and you need to just take those off and look
at the phenomenon for what it is. I said, Actually,
you're both correct. That's the problem with the UFO community
is this. They see the little gray alien and the
taller little doctor type looks just likely but bigger. They
think when that little guy grows up, he's going to
be a doctor in this for it, they don't grow up.

(48:04):
If you believe in evolution, you forget it. Concerning the alien,
it doesn't exist. Whatever they are is what they're going
to be forever, however they get here. My eyewitness reports
at age four, nineteen fifty two, and based on actual
photographs I have, in my opinion of sam alien entities.
These entities show no belly button, They show no genitalium,

(48:27):
and they show no memory glands, which means they didn't suckle,
which means they weren't born, which means they didn't get
here the way everybody else did. They either were manufactured, cloned, hatched,
or they got here some other way.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
They're missing out on all the fun in life.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
I guess. So, you know, I don't know. I kind
of like having the belly button thing. It kind of
reminds me that I belong to Lisa group. You know
that I can deal with it kind of well, So.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
It means that we're talking about engineered beings at the
same time, Darryl, I would submit that in the same
way that we don't know what they are. We don't
know what the manufacturing process might be, and we don't
know what the end result of that manufacturing process might be.
The physical form of these things might be a material
projection so that there can be interaction with us in

(49:12):
our dimensional construct. But all I'm going to suggest is
to make hard statements about what these things are. It's
really difficult to do, and for me, I might think
twice about doing that, just because the least I present
what I.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
Do and make some of the statements I do is
because I may have other information that supports my viewpoint,
such as not personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Now, your book again is called Alien Hunter. Is that
available with all the usual offenders.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
No, it's actually only available from me. They can write
my website. Just click on the Alien Hunter and I
can forward in the information. I've just acquired a book publisher.
I self published to begin with because I wanted things
done a particular way. And offer House is now handling
my book. So people want to get a copy of
that and look at it the abduction promom as well

(50:00):
as the science that we bring to it and the
police approach, then they can certainly do that if they
want to write me, and I'll be glad to forward
any information they need on it.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
All right, would you care to give us your email address?

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Then my email address is Darryl W. Simms at yahoo
dot com. That's d E R R E L W
s I M s at yahoo dot com. And the
website or www. Alien Hunter and you can get it
there as well.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Www dot alien hunter, alienhunter dot org. Okay, alien hunter
dot org. Let's see that again www dot alienhunter dot org.
The book is called Alien Hunter. We want to thank
Darryl Simms for joining us this week on the Power Casts.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
I'm bepeating.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Welcome back to the Parrot Gus Gene Steinberg and David.

Speaker 10 (50:48):
Vow Okay, I recall in Congress, especially not so much now,
but years ago, a representative worse enitor would take out
a phone book and start reading it for day and
day and day after day.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
To Philibuster, I saw that movie that was mister Smith
goes to Washington. He starts doing that, right, Yeah, it
happened to remove reality too. But in the case of
Darryl Simms, like I asked him to explain about the
two children who were killed by ufoh, and he starts
talking about somebody who wrote a book about something that
happened in Brazil. But he never answered the question. And

(51:29):
that was the problem with a lot of the things
he said. He made lots of statements, lots and lots
of statements, and when you try to pin him down,
he tells you a story.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I noticed that there was a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
There was a lot of not just philibustering, but also
answering a question with a story that didn't have a
ton to do with the question. I have concerns with
people who make definitive statements about this phenomenon, as you
well know, Gene, and I don't know what I think
of this interview.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I'm a little uneasy about this.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
I'm going to say that at this point I'm on
the fence about Darryl's stories.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I don't know some of it.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Some of it's interesting, some of its stuff that other
people have been saying as well. But you know, we
had on a doctor Lear and I found him to
be fairly competent and fairly serious about this. You know,
to hear Darryl Sims completely trash Roger Lear, I don't
know how I feel about that. I don't I have

(52:27):
some concerns there.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Let's leave it at that. Well, we have asked doctor
Lear if he's willing to come on the show and
certainly bring us up to date on the work he's doing,
but also respond to what Daryl Sims says. And I
know that there have been comments in our message boards
suggesting that Simms makes a lot of claims and they'd
like us to pin him down. Well, if the man

(52:49):
wants to read the phone book on the air and
not answer a direct question, that's difficult. But sometimes just
let the person talk. They can hang themselves without you
contributing to the efforts giving them a rope. And that
kind of reminds me of what happened with Jim Sparks
when he was on the show. I mean we saw
some of that as well.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
There was some stuff that you know, what our listeners
have to understand is that often we interview people weeks
or you know, a week or two before the actual
air date of the interview. So some of the questions
that we see on our forums happen after the interview occurs.
For example, in the case of Simms, I was not

(53:28):
aware of this notion that he doesn't believe in evolution.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
A few of our.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
More active contributors on the forums pointed that out, or
claim that I did not know that going into the interview.
Had I known that, it could have gotten ugly. But
I think the thing that our listeners also have to
understand is that we have to do a show every week,
and we need to get people on the show, and
often we can't get on the people that we want
to get. We send a lot of emails out inviting

(53:57):
people to be on the show, and a lot of
those don't get response is for whatever reasons. I think
one of the reasons is that we're starting to get
a reputation as a place that asks hard questions, and
a lot of guests are going to pause before considering
coming on the show for just that reason. So, you know,
some of these people, I don't know that they're my
first choices. I know that recently we've had some guests

(54:17):
on where it's a good thing. People can't see my
face through the podcast mechanism. Of course, there are a
lot of good reasons for that. But if I've been
doing a lot of cringing lately with some of our
guests and trying to keep you know, the tone of
the discussion reasonable versus what often it almost for me
degenerates into which is something a little less than pleasant.

(54:39):
So who knows how people perceive this interview with Darryl
Simms went. I'm sure we'll hear about it on the forums.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And coming up next on the Power Casts, we'll be
talking to Tracy Austin Peters. She hosts a I Guess,
a cable TV show on The Power Normal and she
has lots of fascinating stories to present. Comes up next
on the Power Cast. Okay, Tracy, awesome Peters. Let's look

(55:14):
at the history here. You're a musician, a concert pianist,
and yes, you're performing in London, and I'm jealous already.
I am jealous, sanely jealous that you were performing in London.
And then you see a UFO tell us about this right, well, you.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Know, even though you say that you're jealous, there it's
bloody hard work, if I can say that, you know,
trying to train to be a concert panist. I used
to put about seven hours a day in of practice,
so it was pretty intense, and that was my goal
to be the top of my game as a concert pianist.

(55:52):
And everything kind of fall apart when I had my
very first UFO sighting in the middle of London, which
would have been about nineteen eighty seven, and I was
with my best friend at the time. He was a guitarist,
and we were at the YMCA where we were staying
as musicians, and we were just talking and we were
looking out this window. There's a whole row about seven windows,

(56:14):
so we had a good clear view of the London
sky and it was about two o'clock in the afternoon,
and suddenly something caught my attention in the sky, and
I looked to my friend and I said, what the
bloody hell is that? And he turned to me and
looked and he said, oh my god, it's a UFO.
And I said, what do you mean a UFO. I

(56:36):
really hadn't, you know, looked into what a UFO was
back then. I was so into my music, which I
had been as an eight year old and very focused
on the goal. And I think question.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
About musicians, why is it that it all happened somewhere
between five and eight. My son started playing violin about
eight years old or seven years old.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Well, you know, that's a really good question for me personally.
There was already a piano in the family household, and
I didn't have parents who pushed me to do that.
It was something that I personally wanted to do. I
wanted to have lessons and learn how to play. I
think that most children between five and eight are very
sensitive children, and this is why a lot of the

(57:21):
unknown of the paranormal seems to happen to children between
those ages too, because you know they're very open.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Well, though, but you have the sighting you were I
guess what, in your twenties or teens.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yeah, let me see. I think I was about twenty
two at the time, okay. And we saw this cone
shaped object that was in the sky and you could
almost see through it, but couldn't. It was semi transparent,
and it was it was rotating as it was moving
along in the sky, which was very odd in itself.
And you've got the pointed piece at the top, and
you've got the rounded bit at the bottom. It looks

(57:54):
very much like what we would call in England a
dunci's hat. You know that you have the letter D
on the front because you're not too good, you're not
too bright in your class at school, so you wear
this little hat, you know, which was a cute little thing.
But we actually saw this similar shaped object in the sky.
It was rotating and we watched it for quite some

(58:15):
time as it was it went along the sky. And
the very next day we were coming out of an
underground London tube station and we noticed on the front
of a newspaper that many, many people in the area
of London had actually seen the same USO. It was
a huge article on the front page of the Evening

(58:35):
Standard newspaper and other people have actually seen this object
as well.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Tracy. Was it giving off any light at all?

Speaker 5 (58:43):
No, No, no light at all. It was a very
right gray in color, and like I said, it was
so difficult. It's almost like when you see a ghost.
I don't know if you've ever personally seen a ghost,
but they give off this impression that you can almost
see through them, but at the same time they give
off the color that it's a solid object, so no

(59:04):
no light, but this duality of semi transparent and this
grayish color.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Could you tell how high up it was or how
big it was?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Well, this is let me see. If I was to
stick out my arm in front of me and put
my thumb out or put my little finger out, I
would say, it's probably about the size of my little fingernail.
I would say it was just a few hundred feet up.

Speaker 10 (59:28):
It wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Well, no, I'd say probably about a thousand feet up.
It wasn't very low at all, but it wasn't very high,
and it was just probably a few miles away.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
How fast was it moving when you say you watched
it for quite a while, was it moving at a
relatively slow pace?

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Exactly? Yeah, this thing was not moving very quickly at all.
This was just pretty much I don't want to say hovering,
because hovering just implies that, you know, it's come to
a standstill. But it was moved, but it was moving
very slightly so, but enough time for us to you know,
really get a good look at this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And what was your friend's reaction when you saw this
on the paper the next day?

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
Well, to be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Honest, he wasn't surprised at all because he'd actually seen
things as a small child, and he's had personal UFO sighting,
so he's kind of had that most of his life,
whereas I, as far as I remember, hadn't. I don't
remember seeing anything being that young, So it was no

(01:00:34):
big deal to him. It was for me, but it
wasn't to him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Well, let me ask you that question, maybe explore it
a bit further. It is common for kids to have
unusual encounters when they will have those encounters later on life.
Doesn't have to be UFO, could be any kind of say,
parerormal experience. You didn't see a UFO until you were
in your early twenties. What about other events anything unusual?

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
Well, to be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Honest with you, I attended a un conference here in Laughlin, Nevada,
quite some years ago, and it's an annual thing that
they have an annual event. And I turned up one
particular year a few years ago and let me see.
Mary Rodwell from Australia was there and I had some

(01:01:21):
healing with her, and as she was putting the hands
on healing with me, she said to me, I had
a small gray being here showing himself to me, and
this small gray being is telling me that he was
with you from about the age of seven. He's telling
me that he's quite upset about it because you don't
remember it, but he was there and you spoke to him,

(01:01:43):
and you had this little kind of relationship thing going on,
and you just don't remember it. And I had to really,
really really think back to that time of being seven,
and I don't remember it. But I have friends who
are astrologers and psychics and they had picked her up
actually in my astrology chart and psychically that something did

(01:02:04):
happen to me at the age of seven. Well one
of these people, one of these other people. And so
the psychics told me that yes, abductions had started for
me from the age of seven, and they would happen
every few years. There'd be a gap before it would
happen again. And apparently early nineties, when I was on
a trip in Florida, was the same friends who I

(01:02:27):
was with in London. I had an ambition that I
didn't recall that he witnessed me missing from a motel
room for about four hours. And it wasn't until many
many years ago later that I decided to have hypnotic regression,
that we did relive that and that indeed something did
happened that evening. But back then it took him two

(01:02:51):
years to tell me about witnessing this event because of
just freaking me out. As back then it would have
done not so much now, but back then it would
have been a you know, a hard things be to
s grass.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
You're in the Paracast with Gene Steinberg and David Benny.
You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Next, you're in the Power Cast with Geene Steinberg and
David Bigetni. We're talking to Tracy Austin Peters. She's producer
and host for a show that is featured out of
Las Vegas called Let's Talk Power Normal. Well, right now
we're talking about her experiences and she's bringing up what

(01:03:42):
might be an abduction encounter. But you know, there are
a lot of questions we all have about this, and David,
you're about to lose one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Well along those lines when you say it would have
really bothered you then, but not so much now, can
you explain that a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
Where over the yours I've become to investigate and research
this subject in more and more detail since that very
first sighting actually in nineteen eighty seven, and so now
it's more familiar to me within the whole genre of,
you know, speaking to guests that come on my show
and reading books and attending events. It's pretty much a

(01:04:20):
normal if I can say normal, and then we'll think
that happens in life to people. And back then it
was pretty much unknown to me, so I wouldn't have
been able to have accepted it so easily as I
do today.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
So basically, given that you've looked into the accounts of
abductions and the accounts of these types of episodes that
people have, you're saying that you feel that people can
actually become acclimated to this, almost comfortable with Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
I think they can. I think it all depends on
the person. Some people really do have a hard time
dealing with this, and I think if they seek out
out the best possible people in the field, such as
Bud Hopkins or David Jacobs that can actually help them
through this, I think you pretty much can deal with

(01:05:13):
it and can live with it on a day to
day basis. I'm not saying that, you know, it's not
affecting the emotions to some degree because it is. But
what do you do about it? We know what can
you do about it? There's nothing you can do. And
I was told by my friend many years back, well,
if you go through hypnotic regression with this, remember you

(01:05:33):
have to live with this knowing that this happened to you.
And that's why I left it for quite some time.
I left it until a time where I felt comfortable
enough to actually explore it for myself. Because once you've
opened that can of worm, so to speak, it's opened,
and so you have to sort at the consequences of that.
So I think it's been the right time for it,

(01:05:56):
to be honest with you, and I think yes, if
you seek out the best possible people in the field
to help, it's done great. I think it can only
be advantageous.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I had heard a little bit about the International UFO
Congress that happened also in Nevada a few months back,
and actually there were reports that when David Jacobs gave
his presentation about abductions that a lot of people walked
out of the audience because Jacob's put forward the message
that these were not positive events in people's lives, that

(01:06:28):
these actually were really disturbing people, and I guess this
didn't really jive up with what the audience had wanted
to hear as far as the interactions being of a
beneficial nature, What do you think about that? What in
any regression hypnosis that you did, What was the nature
of your encounter? Was it benevolent or was it malicious?

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
No, it was totally benevolent, and it felt very good.
And when I say it felt very good, I mean
that I was comfortable with it then and I'm comfortable
with it now. It felt like I had known this
particular being for eons. In fact, I actually woke from
the regression crying that I didn't want to leave this

(01:07:07):
being because I felt like he was a relative almost
If I can say that, I had attended the conference
in Lastlyn, but I wasn't able to attend the whole week,
so unfortunately I wasn't there when David Jacobs gave his lecture.
But I think people have to understand that there are
good and bad people here on this planet, and the

(01:07:29):
same has to be the same out in the universe.
You know there are hunters out there that you know
purely are out there just the hunt. They're not here
to befriend anyone. They're just there for their own means
and their own gains. And not all of them are
benevolent or malevolent. There's a whole mixture of different races.

(01:07:51):
And I think, you know, you've only got to look
at this planet to realize that there are all kinds
of people here. There are good people, there are bad people.
And I had a guest on Let's Talk Paranormal about
a year ago named Al Marzouli, who's an author who
lives in Malibu, and he wrote a trilogy called the
Nepheline Trilogy. Great great guest, and he has a religious background,

(01:08:15):
and from his perspective, he was saying that UFO sightings
and the beings that are involved with them are actually malevolent,
that they are involved somehow with the demonic. They're not
here for good intentions. That was his side of the story.
So you know, he got me wondering, well, is this

(01:08:36):
possibly the case that there are more beings coming here
that are more demonic on the demonic the satanic side
of things, than actually alien vivitations. You know, it's a
thought that people need to kind of think about.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
I think, well, the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Projections of people's expectations versus the reality of what these
things might be. Because when we talk about satanic beings,
of course, satan is a human convention. It's a way
to try to understand negativity and to give it in
the same way that I think humans give positive thoughts.
This name of God, that God is love, which is

(01:09:17):
the one sort of an overriding rule. Whenever we hear
religious people talk about God, they always couch it in
the terms of God is love and satan is supposed
to be a negative thing. I'm wondering what is the
line that one draws between the human projection of expectation
or explanation of motive versus what it actually is, Because

(01:09:38):
I mean, if we were to take the role of
most of the animals that live on this planet. Let's
say that we were to step to the cowshoes and
make moral judgment about humanity. Given the way that we
treat animals, I think it might be safe to say
that we're satanic beings from the point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Of view of an animal who's being used as a resource.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Right, So I think it's always important to look at
point of view of the and making the judgment.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Well, that's that's perfectly true what you're saying. You know,
it's up to the individual. And how see, I'm not
a religious person. I don't really take on any form
of religion. I have no interest in it. I like
to think more along the spiritual lines than religious. But
if we talk about God, there's a duality. You know,

(01:10:21):
you can't have good without evil. You don't have evil
without good. There's a duality there. And so again it's
really to the person that is perceiving this. But for
me and the being that I encountered, well, actually I
encountered five, four small gray guys and a larger guy

(01:10:42):
that was more of the one that was in control.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Let me ask you a question before we go further, Tracy, Now,
these beings you encountered, did you only remember them under
the hypnotic state, or do you have a separate physical
memory of this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
No, I only remembered it under the hypnotic state. But
I always had a feeling that there was something not
quite right with my life.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
I always felt a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Little bit different.

Speaker 8 (01:11:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
You hear people say they always felt a little bit
different from the average person. I could say that about myself.
I never felt felt comfortable in school, let's say I
never felt happy in school. It was too much of
a formatted system that I had to do every day.
The people I were amongst my friends didn't seem normal

(01:11:31):
to me. So I had a fairly hard time trying
to grow up. And I don't know if music came
along for me as some kind of I wouldn't escape
with something that I could focus on to enhance that
side of my development. I don't know, but I always
felt something wasn't quite right. Society wasn't quite right, my

(01:11:52):
life wasn't quite right. But the beings themselves, No, it
was only under hypnotic regression that I remembered them. You
want to hear from you.

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Tracy Austin Peters. She's producer host for Let's Talk Power
Normal and Before I Ask the Devil's advocate question, after

(01:12:51):
which you may not like us anymore. Tracy, Okay, where
can one see this show? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
Right now, our website is under construction. It's been newly designed,
and we have clips of all of our shows that
we've done. We've done about fifty eight shows to date.
All of the clips of our shows are on there
that viewers can take a look at. We were also
broadcasting in Manhattan, New York, Arizona, and Iowa, but because

(01:13:17):
we recently relocated to Las Vegas, our show currently isn't
on air on one of the local cable stations here.
We're currently working on that, but clips of the show
are on there on the website and viewers can can
happily see those.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So are you thinking of moving to a paid model
where people would pay to see.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Your show on the web or would you consider putting
the shows on YouTube or Google Video for people to
watch in their entirety?

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
We're probably a mixture, to be honest with you. We
would like to take the show to a higher level
and so that we can be doing this full time
and making an income.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
From what we love to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, it sounds familiar when you say that. Hey, let
me just raise the question now, which is I guess
the one is that there's a feeling on the part
of some people who get involved in this kind of
research that some of these claims of abduction scenarios abduction
encounters do not exist beyond the hypnotic encounter, that maybe

(01:14:16):
the hypnotist is doing something to make you remember something
that didn't really happen. So who was this hypnotist? By
the way, this.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Hypnotist was a lady from Texas who had had encounters herself,
and she is actually the middle in law of Neucletflood,
so a very credible lady and superb lady. And I
wasn't actually going to go along with it. And it
was Nick's wife who said to me, you know, while
my mum is here at the conference, we ought to

(01:14:45):
think about getting this information out and doing some hypnotic
regressionacy you know, see what happens. I was a little
bit we looked at the first, but decided to go
along with it, and we did, and that's where the
information came out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Okay, well, obviously Nick Redfern is somebody that is known
to the show. He's been on here before. But I
had to ask that because is she a doctor? Is
she a psychologist?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
What is she?

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
I believe that she is. I think she's a doctor
of the therapy. Okay, I only have a method of
wounds at that particular conference, so I don't know too
much about this lady. But she was very credible. I
liked her a lot, and she seems be very good
at what she did. So as far as I know,
she's a doctor of hypnotherapy. Maybe if she hears this show,

(01:15:32):
she'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Let me ask you a question. Trace.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
You've had a number of guests on your show, and
we're going to ask you to voice an opinion here.
Who do you think are the two most credible guests
in your experience that you've had on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
If you had to pick two, who is I had
to pick two?

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Very difficult because they're all great people, and I only
like to think that I have credible guests on my show.
But I think the two that really stand out, David
Sorita and doctor Roger Lea, who is a personal friend
of mine, Those I think are the two that stick
out in my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
We've had We've had doctor Lear on the show. We've
had some interesting discussions on him. He's doing some fascinating work.
I'm curious, why would you say, David Serrita.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
I enjoyed David's presentation on the show we did. We
did the show in two parts and it was titled
Evidence the Case for nasa UFOs, and David is extremely
knowledgeable with this information and his various theories which he
puts forward, which I think are very incredible. So he
had a lot of footage that was some space that

(01:16:40):
a lot of people, you know, pu PuO UFOs and
that oh my gosh, you know the usual thing, Well,
it was a flock of geese or you were drinking
or something like that. But when it actually the iTunes
space and you see that and they these stems are
doing right angle turns, there's no denying it that there's
some thing there that is not of earthly origin. So

(01:17:04):
we liked his footage that he prefer what. We like
his series and everything seemed to jive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I want to tell you something here, my friend and
co host David Biadny. You may not know this, maybe
you haven't checked his bio. He's one of the foremost
image editing experts in the world. David, I want to
put you on the spot here you have a few
reactions to some of the things David Serena has done.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I've looked at some of the video footage that
Serena has put forward Tracy, and you know, actually the
example of the object that makes the very tight turn,
I was really curious about that footage and I looked
at it, and I was fascinated by the fact that
at the same moment that that object makes a turn,

(01:17:48):
what's extremely obvious is that the entire camera assembly is
being moved. And actually I called David at home and
asked him about this, and I said, David, I've been
looking at this footage because I went and watched a
couple of the documentaries that he's produced. I think a
couple of them are up on Google Video. And of
course that's compressed footage, so it's a little hard to

(01:18:10):
see completely clearly, but certainly in terms of, you know,
for example, that one thing where the objects turn, it
was pretty clear that that was the result of again,
the entire camera assembly moving. And I called David and
I asked him about that, and he completely evaded the
question absolutely. And then there was a whole thing that
had gone online which relates to this new documentary's out

(01:18:34):
He's got coming out or is about to come out,
where David claims that he has discovered a source of
zero point energy and is ready to build a craft
to go to Andromeda, which of course I find to
be patently nonsensical. So I'm really I'm interested in the
fact that you cite David Surida as a compelling guest.
There was also online the entire thing with Michael Lee Hill,

(01:18:55):
who's the co producer of this latest documentary, who had
shot a bunch of footage over Lake Erie of what
he claimed to be these fascinating UFOs that are very
clearly airplanes and landing formations and in holding formations. And
I had a bit of a an interaction with Michael
Lee Hill on the above top secret website where I mean,
this is the problem, of course, and specifically in the

(01:19:17):
UFO field, is that people will choose a position and
then we'll defend it with their lives, regardless of what
the facts do or don't corroborate. I find this particularly
problematic with Serta, and we've had Serita on the show,
and actually we had an interesting interview with him as
I started doing due diligence work after the fact, it

(01:19:39):
became clear to me that a lot of what David
was presenting was highly questionable. And this is the problem
that I think that we're seeing in the UFO field
is that even in cases where people have one or
two interesting occurrences or sightings or even interactions with beings
and then take that oft in a direction. I mean,

(01:20:00):
there is the entire story of Stephen Greer that we
won't get into in this show, but it's very sad
that doctor Greer had done some interesting work and then
sort of poisoned the pool, as it were, with subsequent
stuff that really it's almost as if it was designed
to detract credibility from the discussion. And this trace is
something that on the Paracast we're really interested in because

(01:20:22):
we feel that a lot of the discussion around these
topics has marginalized the field and marginalized the notion of
having credible discussion about these things. Because obviously something's going on.
You probably haven't listened to episodes of our show, but personally,
I've had some a whole range actually of paranormal experiences
that have led me to believe that something very significant

(01:20:44):
is going on except I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
Right the PACs with g.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
In her notes and next joined the Power Cast with
Jean Steinberg and David Bietney, And we're talking to Tracy
Austin Peters. She's producer host for a show that called
Let's Talk Power Normal and she first discovered UFOs I

(01:21:23):
guess back in the nineteen eighties as a concert pianist,
and then later learned that she has had other encounters,
other experiences. So let's proceed, David, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Was just curious to know what Tracy's reaction is when again,
David Serta has a documentary out that claims that he's
discovered away for humans to travel to Andromeda, a galaxy
that's two million light years away from the Earth. I mean,
what's your what's And I asked, what we're putting on you?
Putting you on the spot here. We're sort of known
for doing that on the Para Cast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
But what is your reaction to that? I'm curious when
you hear this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Yeah, I haven't actually been in touch with David since
he was a guest on the show, which was it
was about twelve months ago now, and so I'm not
familiar with this idea of this theory that David put
together with this craft to travel to Andromeda. I want
to say on a bigger level that I feel man
can imagine nothing because it's already created. I think it's

(01:22:21):
already there, and it's like any thought, any idea, any energy,
it's just a matter of tapping into it. So why
not maybe he has the proof has to be in
the pudding, as we say in England. So I don't know.
This is something maybe I could ask David about and
maybe do a second show with him to see what

(01:22:41):
this is all about. But for me, man can imagine nothing.
It's already created.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
So every musical form then, because you're a musician, and
I'm a musician as well, and I appreciate putting things
in a musical context, then when a composer composes music,
you're saying they're tapping into a greater realm outside of
them where the music already exists, and they're essentially just
transcribing it versus actually creating it on their own.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Well, yeah, it's questionable, isn't it. I mean, where do
they get the ideas to do this? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Then, now isn't that saying that there is no creativity.
That all you're doing is grabbing hold of something that
already exists out there. So how do we talk of creativity?

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
Then, well, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
Creativity to us. That's the only way that we can
explain it is creativity. That's the name for it. There's
actually no name for God. It's just that we call
that force God. But that's just the word for us
to grasp it as creativity. But we're picking that up
from somewhere. We're picking that energy up from a different
realm in order to be sensitive enough to do something

(01:23:45):
with it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
I wonder if that's really true, though, I wonder if
it's almost I can almost hear the humanists out there
thinking this is an insult to human creativity. And I
understand what you're saying though, and that from a human
point of view, we try to touch everything in terms
of our experience and our comprehension.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
What else do we have to work with?

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
Right, Well, it's a gift.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
It's not an insult. The universe is giving it as
a gift. And that's why I said, you know, I
was thinking on a larger level. I was thinking, on
a bigger level, this is a gift that the universe
is giving.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Does the universe give gifts or tools?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
I wonder is the universe doing things out of altruism
or is it doing things out of a purpose?

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Well, I think there's a purpose for everything. Again, you know,
it's up to the individual how they use the channel
if you want to call it that. But I personally
what I believe and what I feel. It's a gift
for us to do something with. It's how we turn
that into something.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
It's interesting that you say that, because again I wonder
when we say it's a gift, people like again in
using the word gift. People give people other people gifts
out of a sense of friendship, from love, but also
because we want to keep our friends, and being generous
is a good thing to keep your friends happy. It

(01:25:05):
also gives one a good feeling as well to know
that your friends are happy when you do something good
for them. At least that's what I think, that's what
it should do for people. But I wonder about the
idea of the universe giving us gifts versus perhaps the
notion of the universe pushing us in a direction in
subtle ways, because maybe the universe has an agenda that
we're just part of and it needs us to get there.

(01:25:29):
And at that point, maybe a gift is not a gift.
Maybe a gift is something that has more of an
agenda to it. I think that for a lot of people,
especially people who do embrace religion at some part of
their lives, they want there to be greater meaning than
just random entropy. They need something a little more deterministic.

(01:25:50):
So I think it's interesting that you use the term gift.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Right Well, the universe is the all knowing and there's
an abundance of energy to tap into that it doesn't
want to. How can I say this without sort of
getting into detailed. It has an abundance of information, it
has an abundance of I guess we're tapping onto the
secret here that was recently exposed to the world that

(01:26:16):
you can acquire anything in life that's your heart desires.
You just have to put it out there in the
universe as an order. A little bit like walking into
a restaurant and ordering your food. You do the same
thing for the universe. You're asking you will received. The
universe does know, it does know how to create because
it is the creator. There's an abundance of firm wealth

(01:26:38):
of all different kinds, whether it's knowledge, finance, whatever, that
it wants to put forward and put into your life.
So and it's how we interpret it and how we
work with that. But I do agree with what you
were saying earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
You know, you're referring, of course, to that book in
the documentary called The Secret.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I think it's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Fascinating that these ideas have been very popular in parts
of the world where there's a very significant amount of
material wealth and comfort. I think I grew up in
South America, in Venezuela, and that was a country and
is a country that's very heavily dominated by the Catholic Church.
But I think if you go into the poorer parts

(01:27:19):
of that country and tell people that they can have
whatever they want, all they have to do is request
it politely from the universe, they'll laugh in your face,
as will any number of Rwandans or Iraqis, or South
Africans or East Maries. I think that the problem with

(01:27:40):
the notion of the Secret, which of course is just
a rehash. I don't know what the right term here is.
I'd call it a philosophy, but I don't want to
imbue it with that much credibility. It's an idea that's
been around for quite a while, and as I said,
it seems to surface in societies where there's a significant
amount of material wealth, where people aren't really suffer any hardship,

(01:28:00):
and so those are places where most self help methodologies
are sold. You won't find self help methodologies for sale
parts of the world that are much less.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Affluent than we are. So not to not to shoot
that down, which of course is pretty much what I do, right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
And I guess that a lot of people from various
parts of the world are not materialistic, so they don't
really want these these kind of things in life to manifest.
They're happy with a simple life because they know no other.

Speaker 8 (01:28:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Hey, let me tell our listeners. You're in the paracast
with Gene Steinberg and David Biedney. We have Tracy Austin
Peters here. She is, I guess a paranormal talk show
or TV host for a show called Let's Talk Paranormal,
and she's talked to a lot of people. I wanted
to ask you here why this had anything to do

(01:29:33):
with anything but the fact that when your TV show
came into being, you had Michael Keaton on that show
to talk about the White Noise movie. Now, what would
that have to do with the paranormal being that we're
talking about a movie that's fiction, right.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
Well, when I interviewed Michael, he said that once you'd
seen the script of White Noise, he just thought it
was a great script for a movie. He didn't actually
realize that it was a real thing. There was electronic
voice phenomena, And he was surrounded by a few experts

(01:30:08):
in the field, Harmon Lisa Butler, who I had on
my show as well, that were also researchers and advisors
for the movie. And they have thousands of thousands of
recorded voices from the other side, and Michael then realized
that there obviously is something to this, you know, he
didn't realize that it was a real phenomena at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
They have thousands and thousands of interactions or recordings. Do
they in their analysis of these recordings, do they find
any sort of overlap information. What is the nature of
the information that's contained in these voice messages? Are they
clear attempts to communication or are they more are they
more random in terms of the kinds of sounds or

(01:30:53):
the kinds of messages they're hearing.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
I think they would be saying that it is a
clear attenent to try and communicate, because some of the
messages are very obvious, They're very clear, and they're very obvious.
Some are so clear, Some are so obvious you have
to really really listen to understand what spirit is trying
to get across. But some it's not only in voices

(01:31:16):
as well. It's coming through in computers, and it's coming
through on the telephone, it's coming through on radio, and
it's a whole manner of devices that EVP is picked up.
Some of the pictures that they've actually brought along to
the show that we have upon the website are phenomenal.

(01:31:36):
A guy with a dog from the spirit world, and
you can clearly see that it's a dog that the
guy is holding. So I think it's phenomenal that spirits
do indeed want It seems that they do want to
communicate with us and let us know that they're here.
There's no actual place that they go. They're still here,
They're still around us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Well, you know, we are assuming here. I'm going to
do the devil advocates thing again. Okay, we're assuming here
that they are spirits. How do we know what they are?
How do we know that we're not being fooled into
what they really are? And this goes back to a
lot of the theories we've discussed in the Power Cast
with regard to UFO encounters, that the so called entities

(01:32:18):
or beings are not really telling us the truth here,
that they might actually, for example, be government agents playing
games with us, or be beings with some kind of
malevolent goals, or just having fun. Who knows. Maybe we're
the playground of the universe, and the aliens, interdimensional travelers,
time travelers, whatever, they come here to play their games.

(01:32:42):
How do we know they're telling the truth?

Speaker 8 (01:32:44):
Well, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
You've raised a great point. I think how do we know?
I mean, how can we know for sure? We don't.
I think it depends what it means to the actual
person receiving the message or the sighting. But then again,
maybe that in turn is still questionable. So it really
just depends on the individual who's receiving the message or

(01:33:04):
the sighting to see what they think about it. I
know that Tom Butler, when he was on the show,
said that soon a spirit do seem to be jokesters
and trixters. And one of one point in case was
a voice that they had received one of their clients
had received was from a gentleman, an elderly gentleman, who said,

(01:33:27):
on the recording device, tell her it's satan. So was
that a relative who was known in this life for
being a jokester and a trickster saying that? Or was
it actually something else? There's no real way of knowing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
Yeah. Now, of course that brings up the question, does
that mean that all paranormal episodes, or the vast bulk
of paranormal episodes, are simply of a subjective nature and
that perhaps we can't draw any objective conclusions about them?
Or if you and your own discussions with a variety
of PEP people who claim to have these experiences, have

(01:34:02):
you come to some set of even preliminary conclusions about
perhaps an objective nature to these types of episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
I who like to think that all of my guests
that I have on the show are very credible people,
credible researches and investigators in their field of expertise, some
being close personal friends of course, And I think that
what they are uncovering is true in its own nature
as true. They are recovering something that is a phenomena,

(01:34:31):
something that is strange and hard to understand and accept.
It's a hard subject to grasp because where is the
actual truth of it? How do we break it down
to tell us? Where do we call the lines? It's
very hard to say bigfoot, for example. I haven't yet
done a show on Bigfoot, but I have a friend
who's producer in LA who did a documentary called Bigfootville,

(01:34:55):
and they went out to Oklahoma with a British team
of producers and their crew a couple of years ago
and spoke to with a variety of people who'd seen Bigfoot.
One gentleman who was a medicine man who had seen
it with his own eyes. And these people were saying
that they'd actually seen with their own eyes this creature
friding a five foot sense, just looking over it with ease,

(01:35:19):
so they saw it whatever it is it was in
their description as a bigfoot. I don't think it was
a man in a suit who happened to know that
they were there at the time with their crew to
film this. They've seen this on many occasions, and so
in that particular incident, I think what they were actually
seeing was bigfoot. I think it does exist, and I

(01:35:40):
do believe it's out there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
It is always more compelling to have witness testimony that
involves corroboration between multiple witnesses. That always, of course, I
know in the time, in our talks with various types
of guests who have these kinds of encounters, it is
always more compelling we find that you have more the
one person witnessing it, which of course takes it outside

(01:36:02):
of really any kind of based psychological realm and puts
it into the material world. Of course, there are some
people who then would say, well, perhaps there's one person
in the party who has some sort of strong ability
to project psychological images as physical manifestations. Also, I almost
find that more unbelievable than the idea of there being
an actual paranormal event taking place, because you know that

(01:36:24):
just it does sound a little out there. Now, I'm
going to ask you another question, Tracy, that goes back
to it's sort of the compliment to the who are
the most credible guests that you've had on? Give me
one example if you can of a guest that you've
had on that after the guests left the show, after
you were done with the interview, you thought to yourself,

(01:36:45):
that doesn't quite sound believable to me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Is there an example of that you can cite?

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
I have to I'll honestly say a hand on heart, no,
really no, because I like to thoroughly investigate my guest,
do a little bit of research on them, find out
the background, what they do, knowing what they've been involved with,
who they are, and I can honestly say no, Okay,
they've all presented their case as well.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
You're in the paracast with Geene Steinberg and David Biedne.
You never know what's going to happen next.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Well, this is the Powercast with Geen Steinberg and David Biednie.
We're talking to Tracy Austin Peters, host of Let's Talk
Power Normal. And I guess that raises the larger argument there,
because certainly, in the case of David Sirita, for example,
he's come up with some stuff that is questionable. Unless
we all want to go to Andromeda, And so how

(01:37:50):
did you investigate David Serita, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
David Surrida, I actually I was master of Ceremonies at
a conference out in Denver a couple of years ago,
move on, and I actually met David Sarita there and
I hadn't met David prior to that. So he gave
me his business card and I checked David Sareda out online,
his bio and what he was currently doing. I have

(01:38:14):
friends that knew David, and they said, yeah, you know,
he's he would be a great guest to have on
your show. Plus of all of his contact with dan
Akroid and the UFO.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Genre, Well, you know what one thing we had with David,
and I saw the DVD and David did too that
he did with dan Ackroyd, and I want to talk
about the production. Except for one thing, it seemed throughout
the presentation it was basically an informal, impromptu interview with
dan Aykroyd, who we all know has a great interest
in these subjects. And as far as the footage he

(01:38:48):
was showing of UFOs, he just repeated the same stuff
over and over again, and some of it is or
consists of well known faked movies, movies that have been
identified as fakes from many, many years. And my concern
here is that David Siria may be sincere in what
he has to say, but he didn't vet the contents

(01:39:08):
of the STVD. Have the opportunity here with a well
known Oscar nominated comic actor and serious actor to produce
some pretty interesting stuff, and all the did was play
the same videos over and over again. It was really
to me, it was kind of a letdown. I expected
a lot more, especially because certain photos there were not real.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
I commonly comment on that because it's been over twelve
months since I had David on the show, and I'd
need to go back and look at some of that
evidence to see for myself. Of course, what David actually
brought to the show was NASA footage, what NASA had taken,
So seeing it on face value like that, I was

(01:39:50):
under the impression and still on that it's genuine material.
That's That's not the only footage that I've seen from NASA.
There's been many, many others.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
There some clips from NASA that are that are indeed compelling.
There are a couple of clips that I've seen, in
particular that are very very interesting. Unfortunately, none of these
have been presented by Serena. The other interesting thing, Tracy,
just for your research information, is that in the last
maybe six seven months, it appears that Akrod has distanced
himself from Serta and does not appear to be involved

(01:40:22):
with him in any professional fashion anymore. I find that
to be very interesting as well. To be honest with you,
I think that that says a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:40:30):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Again, I haven't been in touch with David for since
we did the show for about a year now, so
that's the first of you telling me that I've heard
of that. Is there a possibility that Dan Acrode is
involved in TV work again, that he's had to distance himself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
I've heard, I haven't heard of anything that he's doing
really up to this point, that he's involved in a
lot of work. Obviously, we can speculate and I won't
speculate here as to whether it was something there that
he felt maybe Serita was not providing properly credible information.
But I think, you know, I don't know whether Akroyd
accepted all that stuff as genuine or not. I have

(01:41:07):
no idea, and certainly we're not prepared to speculate. Yeah,
we don't know that right right, So let me ask
you because we have a few minutes left here, and
that is where do you plan to go with your show?
What are you going to do from here? In terms
of spreading the word as it were, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
All of our shows right now are on location in
Las Vegas, and we are asking the general public who
do reside out here in Las Vegas if they would
like to be a guest on the show to share
their paranormal experiences whatever, whether it's a ghost, UFOs or other.
We'd be happy to go and talk to them and

(01:41:44):
possibly do a show with them. What we're trying to
do is to take the show to a bigger level
beyond that by investment, and we do have some interest
at the moment, so we're trying to get the show
back on the local channel out here and get the
word out and try to go national with it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Okay, where do we get in touch with you? If
we want to learn more about the things that you do, you.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Can go to my website which is www dot Let's
Talk Paranormal dot com and there's a whole host of
information on there and it'll tell you of current projects
that we're going to be involved with.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Well, thank you very much. Tracy Austin Peters, post producer,
Let's talk Power Normal, thanks for joining us on the Powercast.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Thanks Chris, thank you, it was wonderful talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
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