Classic Episode: November 11, 2007 — Past & Future Life: Dr. Bruce Goldberg - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
You've got group above Power Past with your hosts Jean
Steinberg and David na.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Doctor Bruce Goldberg is author of a book called Egypt,
An Extraterrestrial and Time Traveler Experiment. Now, over the years,
I've read a lot of books about alledged to extraterrestrial
influences in our early history. But now you're adding a
new wrinkle to it, which is time traveler experiment.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Could you expand on that.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
What this means is that my research has shown that
the development of Egypt, which is one of our most
important civilizations since as we'll see, we all copy things
from them, has not only been influenced by extraterrestrials, especially
two major groups, the Lerians and the Syrians, as we'll discuss,
but it's been influenced by our very own species. From
one thousand to three thousand years in the future, when

(01:06):
my research shows time travel will be discovered and actually utilized.
And I call these chrononauts or time travelers. So we
have both time travelers as well as extraterrestrials that have
actually custom design and molded all of our civilizations, each
of being the most significant one.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Okay, Now, what leads you to believe that any of
this is true.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well over about twenty five years ago, I started getting
some input from my patients. Es understand, just for the
listeners who may not be familiar with my work, my specialty,
other than my dental degree in practicing dentity for thirteen years,
is actually using hypnosis for things like past life regression.
And actually I developed the field of taking people into
futurelives progression future life progression. So when I started doing

(01:49):
regressions well over thirty three years ago, that was fine
for several years, and then I started getting information from
people who would report UFO abductions things like that, which
of course you all know about. But then we're reporting
these abductions. Some of these abductions, about fifteen percent, were
not from extra terrestrials from our time period, but actually
were from a group of what we call time travelers,

(02:10):
more of every own future headed by pure human beings.
There were extra terrestrials as part of a team, yes,
but the actual head of these teams and the discoverer,
if you will, of time travel is a pure human
in the year about three thy fifty. And when I
started getting that, I said to myself, of course, naturally
I was a little bit skeptical about this, But then

(02:30):
the issue that convinced me was something we call in
science wildly laws evidence, which simply means that if you
get the same reports from people from all over the
world who have no contact with each other, then it
must be true. And what I was getting was people
who before I published my book, no one's ever written
a book, with all due respect to the public out
there by colleagues out there, no one's ever written a
detailed book on time travelers except for my books. My

(02:53):
two books now now there are on time travels, giving
the name states and places. These are physical descriptions and the
actual of course dates and names, and these people were
reporting the same people over and over again. And then
when I published my first book on time travels, of
course then you say, well, that's fine. Now that book
is how people can read it. But now additional information
has come up since I wrote my first book, well

(03:14):
have had it purpose published about eight years ago, and
now again it's being reported from people from all over
the world. So I'm getting a consistency to this, and
the logic of this, when we deal with the forbidden
archaeology aspect of this is unbelievable. For example, ancient Egypt.
I talk about this, and I know you guys have
an interest because I see you actually put this on
your website about there is a very now more well

(03:35):
known hieroglyphic depiction in the Temple of Dendara in Egypt
in Cairo which shows an actual electricity being developed or
being exhibited by ancient Egypt. And this hieroglyphic if you will,
in Dendara Move seventeen to develop the dedicates to the
goddess path or if you will, shows not only a
braided cables and all the details of a bondigoop generator

(03:58):
that would be relevant to electricity, but also shows a
primitive Crooks tube if you will, and anyone can, if
you're listeners, if they just google onto Temple of Dendar,
they'll see the depictions of this. They will actually see
a primitive Cloks tube. The Crooks tube is a primitive
television set. So there's no other reasons why you would
depict graded cables in a hieroglyphic. And by the way,

(04:18):
it's been dated to the Ptolemy era, which would be
three hundred BC to about thirty BC. You know Cleopatra
of the seventh or left Ptolemy. So here we have
twenty three hundred years ago two thousand conservatively, where Egypt
is depicting electricity and very probably television, because the Crook's
tube is in fact a primitive television tube. So therefore
we have things like that. We have the gods and

(04:40):
goddesses like Isis Osiris, which we'll learn that we're actually
time travelers, but in ancient Egypt they will worship at gods. Now,
Egyptians in early the old days, let's say two thousand
to three, four thousand years ago, looked very similar to
what Egyptians look like today. They were short, they were
dark skinned, they had curly, blunt or brown hair, and
brown eyes. Well, guess what the Isis and Osiris god,

(05:02):
this combination there were a husband and wife and their theology,
and of course pharaohs and gods. They were depicted as blonde,
blue eyed Caucasians, which did not exist in ancient Egypt naturally,
I can say of that, And they show didn't have
any sweetish flight attendants coming in there to interbreed with them.
So we have a lot of depictions of forbidden ochaeology,

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if you will, which shows that there's some significant interaction
and the technology is just unbelieve. We have pre Columbian art.
We had these probably are familiar with these if you
studied of Riberian archaeology, these pre Columbian little like jewelry
that were made in South America, of actual aircraft, of
actual these things that are jewelry. They were going back

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about two thousand BC fifteen hundred PC and number one
day they showed like they look like stealth planes. They
look like our jet planes from today. They also were
made of platinum, which requires about seventeen hundred degrees fahrenheit
and meltdown. Even ancient Egypt didn't use platinum. So where
does the technology come from? From? Barbaric primitive people that
were not very far removed from called magnum Man.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well look at this.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
For example, Now we can say or even theorize, that
we might have had a very highly advanced civilization ancient
times that maybe got into disrepair. What would happen if
we had some kind of catastrophe, worldwide catastrophe that destroyed
our civilization. How would we end up a thousand years
from now? For example, that could be a possibility. Also
could be a possibility that we did have interaction with extraterrestrials.

(06:30):
But other than these regressions, how do you attach that
to time travelers?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well, again, remember the reports now when you meet about
the forbidden achaeology. If you read Crimal and Thompson's book O.
John Michael from the Old Days M CG. Or those
civil books on this or the fourteenth phenomena, there are
many people throughout the last one hundred years give to
take that have written about artifacts that you know, the
Baghdad battery, you know, things like that, you know, and

(06:58):
the Sakara planes and egyp about because that's relevant to
a past live regression in the several of the mine
I've done. The point here is that, okay, so we
have these examples that show some sort of advanced civilization,
and some of them of course show et mentality. We
have cave drawings from twenty thousand years ago in southern
France and in Spain that show ET's and you know,

(07:19):
people with helmets and eric oxygen tanks on them coming
from a craft I mean. And the pleatees is also
depicted in the southern France and caves if you will, Well,
how did the primitive man twenty thousand years ago, even
if he was total safey and safety with our brain capacity.
If you will, living in caves, you know, eating bisons,
how does he come up with the Ple eightes seven

(07:39):
sister planets? If you will, depicted perfectly in the cave drawings,
so you think, okay, that's ets. Now as the time traveler,
well interesting enough when I do the regressions again, the
consistency of the reports is very relevant scientifically. Secondly, you
also have the aspect of nobody else seems to be reported.
This isn't a common thing. For example, you don't have

(08:00):
a lot of people walking around and saying, oh, by
the way, I'm met tracks of a time traveler and
Tato's that's not your typical thing. There haven't been movies
and TV shows done on this, especially using the names
and the places. If you will anything people when they
report time travels. If you look at shall we say
not exactly docu drama TV shows like The X Files
and various films that are out there, they don't talk

(08:21):
about time travel being discovered in the year three thousand and fifty.
Different take. They talk about it within the next one
hundred to two hundred years. So if people are reporting
one thousand and fifty years from now, they're not getting
that from the mass media. They're not getting that from novels,
TV or feature films. So therefore, again it's adding additional credibility.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, we do have that TV show forty four hundred,
of course I know, but what.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Does that give. Does that give the names of time
travels being the same names used as Egyptian gods going
back to anywhere from two thousand to five thousand years ago, No,
they talk about you understand, they don't have the same
mo if you will. The names that I depicted in
my books, at least the two ones on time travel
are very unique. You're not seeing that depicted anywhere else.
So again, you're talking about a certain consistency corroboration, if

(09:07):
you will, which makes it more credit. You can't prove it.
You can't prove anything. You can't prove that the you
know how many scientific laws we have. They have a
lot of theories out there, but you really can't prove anything.
For example, quantum mechanics, which is always my favorite science,
one of the reasons because my scientific colleagues hate the field.
I think it's too philosophical, but quantum physics, you know,
drives people crazy and science because it says the presence

(09:29):
of the observer affects the experiment and nothing happens unless
you observe it, and therefore it goes against every rule
of conventional physics and conventional science that I was trained
with and my undergraduate and graduate training. So the point
is that we also have something known as your state
of mind if you will. One of the reasons why
metaphysics or paranormal research, parapsychology if you will, cannot be

(09:51):
documented very well is because you have to be in
the ultage state to have the experience, so you can't
document and no stradaminous progression or a futuristic mentality. You
can't document out of body experiences, although actually they have
done that to a degree at UCLA here by showing
that planting at element or objects in a drop ceiling

(10:12):
about twenty feet above the observer, having a videotape, and
all of a sudden they tell you the following morning
what was in the drop ceiling, and there's no budging involved.
So that's an indirect form of corroboration. But in reality,
you can't prove any of this. All you can do
is get suggestive evidence reincarnation. CBS did a movie for
television on my second book called The Search for Grace,
a very documented case that occurred in nineteen twenty seven

(10:33):
in Buffalo, New York about a woman who was attracted
to obsessibly attracted to a man who tried to murder
her on three different occasions. And she not only collaborated
the facts, but two of the major facts that she
gave me were not collaborated by newspaper reports. As it
turns out when CBS did the investigations to their agents,
she was right. The reporters made errors, and she couldn't
possibly have known because the New York has to get

(10:54):
the governor's permission and go through a pay per trail
to get to the actual facts of birth and death date,
which is what she was read reporting that were incorrect
by the reporters. That'sgest evidence. It's a great case. It's
one of the most document case in the last hundred years.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But it's just let's rewind pro moment here, because we're
going all over the map real quick. So I'm curious
to know, doctor Goldberg, how does one visually delineate between
braided cable and hemp rope. What is the visual delineation
and differentiation between a visual depiction of what you're calling
braided cable and a twisted rope? How do you differentiate

(11:26):
the two?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Okay, well, first of all, the actual drawing itself does
suggest it's not just my opinion. It's the opinion of
electronic engineers and technicians who looked at this. But you
have to look at the big picture. If it was
just the braded cable of the hemp rope, whether they
were smoking the rope after they did their hieroglyphiction, now
that's all fine, but you've got to add other factors.
Number One, you look at this see again, if you

(11:50):
listen to it would be best for them if they
could actually click on just Google dendor and you'll see
it on there. What you will see is that this
Room seventeen depiction shows a box on the top of
which the god horror sits. And what you're getting here
is this braided cable is attached to this box. If
you will. Engineers have identified this portrayal as a bundle

(12:10):
of conducting electrical wires, and then you have this bond
of grass generator, if you will, representing an insulated generator
by electrical engineer analysis, you have the private not only
of a crook's tube illustrated by these two big giant
look like light bulbs, but you also have a scientific
experiment being illustrated. On the extreme left of this engraving,

(12:31):
we see one television tube is operating normally because there's
a serpent that's straight out. On the second tube, located
to the right of it, you see something is wrong
and the serpent is bent inwards, and there's a bad
booon holding a looks like a metal knife, which of
course would generate a negative electrical effect if you put
a metal object in front of electricity. So we have
a scientific experiment to buttress that argument. Now you have

(12:53):
the actual technicians, these two big giant like Egyptian bodyguards,
if you will, whatever you want to call them, let's
call them a sort of technicians. One of them to
the left is wearing a headset. If you look at
it closely, you'll see his ears and his eyes are
covered by this like goggles and a headset. So now
he's getting information from an ancient Egyptian producer or a
director telling him what to do. I mean, we have

(13:16):
static electricity vondergrav generator. We have a clok too, we
have a greater cable, we have a bad moon shutting experiment.
We have all these things added together. And my key
holy market is that, you know, critics won't accept this
unless they see a TV guide in hieroglyphics here. But
you show this picture depiction to any engineer or electronic
technician and he'll tell you that this is an electrical experiment. Now,

(13:38):
what's more interesting about this, to give more thoughder for this,
is that we know that the Pyramid of Giza, for example,
one of many pyramids, but the most well known and
the most well constructed, had to have elect have some
sort of a lightning source internally to complete this construction.
You can't build a pyramid of that size by just
working in the dark. Hi, I'm Paul Kimball, documentary filmmaker

(14:09):
with the blog on the Other Side of Truth, and
you're listening to the Paracast with Mike Pals, David Beetney
and Jean Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
We're talking to doctor Brusk Goldberg on the Paracast with
Gene Steinberg and David Bietney.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
He's author of.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
A number of books, including his most recent Egypt and
Extraterrestrial and Time Traveler Experiment. Okay, so you're showing us
here something which we can't deny. There appears to be
influence of higher technology in ancient times, but I'm still
kind of muddied about the line of demarcation between this
advanced technology and the cause for it.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
What caused.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Let's look up another example which is more well known. Now,
this has been featured a lot on television, etc. The
Egyptian temple wall and Abados, and I'm sure you're familiar
with that. Up shows a depiction of a helicopter, a
UFO and a stealth jet, and this abidose wall panel,
if you will, wasn't even seen the way it was

(15:11):
is today when it was actually investigated about thirty years ago.
Hypoglyphics or some other depiction was up over it and
it fell apart as it was being investigated, and it
revealed these beautiful depictions. Now I can understand the UFO
being strictly led to say extraterrestrial and origin. However, the
helicopter in the stealth jet you don't see. You don't
see et driving helicopters and you sure don't see them

(15:33):
doing dealing with the stealth jet. What you see it
or have described of an ET is in either a
cigar shaped craft or the classical saucer, et cetera. And
that's what makes it more than just an et situation.
And by the way, critics in the field to tell you,
I have people who have a lot less problems with
time travels than with ets, considering the amount of time

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that would take for crafts to come from other planets,
which by the way, can be solved by what we
know today as certain forms of hyperspace travel. So we
can actually you don't have to worry about going to
speed up light and having the mass of the craft
become judiciously large and therefore making it impossible to travel.
You can use forms of warp drive such as the
Albequire lqb area, I should say warp drive system that

(16:15):
would developed by meek Will al Qbrey, the Mexican physicists,
that has been well documented at least mathematical models, So
you can actually go through many, many light years of
space and time if you will, in a matter of
a short period of time to get people from the
data reticulate thirty seven light years away or other to
our pliants in the very short period of time.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, of course, when one says a physicist theories versus
a working practical version of a theory, those are two
very different things. But I want to jump back from
a moment again to something else you said, doctor Goldberg,
which was that science couldn't make much use of proving
things that are paranoral because they couldn't enter into Alter's states.

(16:54):
Of course, the reality is that science can't disprove or
prove things that are paranoral because of the fact that
paranormal events tend not to be reproducible. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, but you have to stay for the actually experience it.
So it's not like you can have a physics experiment
of friction experiment.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Of course you don't something you of course you don't,
not at all. If there is a mass sighting of
a UFBO, it's not that all of those people are
in an altered state. It's that there is an actual,
unexplained flying object in front of them. It's just you're
taking one example. If you have people that two or
three people that witness let's say, an apparition, that doesn't
necessarily mean that those people are in an altered state.

(17:31):
I'm not saying it precludes that, but it certainly doesn't
require it. Then, when you have things like electronic voice phenomenon,
those are not relative to any sort of an altered state.
Those are electronic captures of some sort of atmospheric incident.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So absolutely in fact, you can take a tape recorder,
go to a graveyard and you're going to get EVP
if you're patients enough. But any inexpensive tape recorder can
do it. But this is what I'm talking about. How
about people who perceive the part of the loved ones
go if you will, spirits. How about your death experiences
and other forms of out of body experiences, Those who
have to be in the alpha state, what we need
called also state. Even though it is natural and therefore

(18:10):
you can just scientifically replicate that psychic intemdations of all
kinds progressions using any form of playing with rooms or
through cards or whatever you're doing. Anything you're doing that
involved esp if you will, the sixth sense, those kinds
of things are not replicable so easily because you have
to be in that state. Very subjective rather than objective

(18:31):
science wants to make everything objective. Most of this field
is unfortunately subjective. That's my point.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, I mean along those lines, of course, we also
have to keep in mind that we have to differentiate
between a technology and an altered state. Those are two
very different things. And as far as altered states, certainly,
science has had a good amount of experience inducing altered
states via use of different types of chemistry and chemicals.
I mean, let's remember, the brain is a big electrochemical computer,

(19:01):
and so if you alter the chemical makeup of the brain,
you can indeed and douce all sorts of stuff. I mean,
there has been some research recently that has suggested that
even things like near death experiences can often be the
result of a deprivation of oxygen to the brain.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Well, so now now you bring up a perfect point.
Let me, I have to stop you there because this
is very critical. You understand, I've been dealing with this
for a long time. A very good friend of mine,
Ray Moody, you know, documented the first core experience of
near death experience and he's been through a lot more
of housies about this than I. But let me share
you with it. You talk about cerebral anoxia to the
term that's used, and cerebral anoxia simply states that. And

(19:41):
again if you deal with any medical experts, they'll tell
you this. Cerebral anoxia is fine except when you have
cerebral anoxia, which simply means you're cutting off the blood
supply to the brain. That's what the cerebral park refers to.
When you do that, you go unconscious, which means you
don't have any memories, you don't have any brain activity
that you're going to be able to recall, and that's

(20:03):
case closed. Another interesting thing is that when people have
had near death experience and ready port point to sev
in some of the Subskan work as well as Michael
Sabam from Atlanta cardiologist who also deals with near death
experiences at least documenting them. You have people that have
flat eke EEGs. That means you're dead clinically. There's no
argument anywhere in this country about a flat eeg electroncephalograph. Well,

(20:25):
guess what when they do have a flat eeg. Those
beautiful instruments at the that are using oars, they time you.
They'll say from one fifty eight PM to two o seven,
this person had a flat eeg. What happens is during
that time, the person who's revivalator will then give you
the near death experience, overview the OAR, and report activities

(20:46):
that were done between the times they had a flat EEG. Medically,
that's impossible even if there was some fantasy, if there
were some whatever's going on, there'd be some blip on
the screen and that would not be a flat EEG.
So we have examples of what people have broken the
rules of Well, gee, maybe that was just some sort
of a cerebral anoxia, which of course is anisia anyway.

(21:07):
Another case that Ray points out in one of his
books is that a woman who is a blind for
fifty years in her life described the color coded instruments
that we use to revive her. This woman is blind,
she was like seventy years old. How could she possibly
even if she was cheating and peeped her eyes open,
how could she possibly get the color coded instruments that
we used to revive her in dr So you see,

(21:29):
these are examples of science. Will say, well, well, and
they'll try to in the usual skeptical negative way, tried
to rationalize it. But they can't. No one can rationalize
these kinds of examples, and again they're subjective if we
can't make them objective so that the average person can
do it replicating the same control if you will, or
the same experimental conditions as you will in the regular

(21:51):
scientific experiment. These are subjective, and you never have to
never underestimate the field of subjectivity, which of course drives
science as crazy. But we have to deal with the reality.
So I'm not talking about physical equipment like with EVP,
or the brain ways that I measure when you're in
an out of body experience or meditation or all the
alpha levels, that's all fine. I'm talking about personal experiences

(22:12):
that person can relate to that cannot be explained or
rationalized the way medically or neurologically, and in fact are
very accurate and in fact are documented all over the world.
I mean, progression is a good example. Here's an example
when I would get people say, how do you know
this stuff is little just YadA YadA. Back in nineteen
ninety six, a classic case of mine. A woman I'll
call her Timmy, not her real name. She graduated from college,

(22:35):
she lives in New York City. She wants to come
to Los Angeles to my office to work on going
out of the body. She knows in my work with
that and wants to be trained to go out of
the body. And of course I said, fine. When you
go out of the body, you are now in the
space time continuum, which means all events past, present, the
future are simultaneous. While she's in town for the week
in la she's seeing things that occur a day in

(22:55):
advance or two days in events that come true while
she's here, which is, you know, getting very good everything
and leaving the body and doing these age progressions, if
you will. She goes home and she tells me, now
this is nineteen ninety six. She goes home and I said,
you're all fun. You're done. You're going to go to
Europe next in the summer and enjoy yourself. You have
a nice life. She calls me up about three weeks later,
at the end of June, and she goes, doctor, this

(23:16):
is Tammy. I have an emergency. And I said, Tammy, look,
I retired from ministry to get away from that. What's
going on? And she says, well, I did your technique,
so us your you knowed tapes, you see these better.
And I went out of the body, and I see
myself I'm going to go to Paris next month and
joining my friends who are going to hang around for
six weeks and go to grad school. I see myself
taking up a JFK and the plane, plane goes up, crashes.
I die, What do I do? And I said, Tammy,

(23:36):
I don't want to change your life or run your life.
I believe in psychic compoundment. Just change a flight and
give me called the end of the summer. She calls
me up around Labor Day. Just before Labor Day, she says,
this is Sammy. I want you to know that I
had a great trip in Europe. And she told me
something that I never want to hear from the patient,
which did you saved my life, which of course I
didn't do. And I said, what's going on? She was
going to go on twa flight eight hundred July seventeenth,

(23:57):
nineteen ninety six. Two hundred and thirty people are on
the ash plane because of that, and she would have
been two hundred and thirty one had she not, by herself,
in her own higher self, in her own powers of
the universe, proceed a catastrophe and avoided it by going
into the future. And seeing a real event, that's progression.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
When you were talking about the people that you've hypnotized
and how they all reported similar dates or exact dates,
as you were saying, how would all these people report
three thousand and fifty as the year the time travels invented?
I assume you're referring to people who you specifically have
hypnotized and progressed. Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (24:35):
No, Actually it's both. People of these are people that
had contacted me when I was doing my research. I
would first of all, I trained people that can actually
contact time travels, and if your listeners go to my site,
there's a fifth dimensional travel exercise and there were several
exercises on the site which are also described in the book,
they can learn how to contact these double teas as
I call them themselves. First of all, these were reported

(24:55):
by the people who did not work with me. They
reported it independently via emails and factors whatever. Then I
work with people, and these are people that were living
in Australia, South America, Europe, all over the world, because
I have an international practice. Then I said myself, okay,
I kept those on file. Then I would work with
people who who did not share this material with I
wasn't discussing this on the air or any of that

(25:16):
stuff until very late, until like nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine.
Then all of a sudden, I'm working with people who
are corroborating that material which is not being shared. I
purposely kept it from the public until I got enough information,
enough corroboration to make it relevant. Then to add icing
to the cake and not getting cavities or gaining weight,
since as the retired tents, I could use those in Metaphorse,

(25:38):
I personally communicated with these time travelers, and that's where
some of the material also is reported in the book
of my own corroboration of what people have been telling me,
of what these time travelers have been telling me. So
therefore I've got three different sources. My patients who worked
with people and never saw me just to use techniques,
and then my own interactional corroboration with the fifth dimensional

(25:59):
travelers that we call time travelers.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now, of course, when you make a statement that you're
communicating with time travelers, certainly our listeners would like to
know how you can corroborate or substantiate that, because that's
a very big claim. Well, of course it is.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
And the way they can do that is very simply this.
They can do that themselves and corroborate the material. For example,
if they think I'm even misrepresenting the material, making it
up or doing whatever, people are welcome to their opinion.
But if they do their own communication of a time
travel especially if they haven't read all the details of
my work, they'll be able to get the same information.
They'll be able to corroborate the material that I'm reporting

(26:35):
because it comes from the same source. These time travelers
do not lie. They don't play games with us. These
aren't lower astral entities from the lower astral plane trying
to play games with us, like a psychic attack, if
you will. These are real, two very positive, spiritual beings.
Think of an astronaut today without the usual problems. Think
of a very spiritually evolved astronaut. And now you've got

(26:55):
a chrononaut. And of course they are from one thousand
to three thousand years in the future. Interest, by the way,
everybody's got self interest. Here's the self interest of a
time traveler. They are us in the future, the better
off we are, which is why they interact with us.
The better off the future will be for them. Now, granted,
there are parallel universes, and that's a whole different topic.
So therefore you can have parallel universes where there are

(27:16):
nuclear wars going on and there are about the way
out there, but we don't have to worry about that
because they're not in our universe. But the time travelers
know that the better off they assist us and are
not just technological but our spiritual growth, because that's the
main interest. Their main interest is in helping us with
the ascension mechanism. That's the bottom line to everything. Everything
else is irrelevant. I mean, it's nice to do things.

(27:37):
You have a career, you get your message out, you're
an activist, you have the comic purpose, you take care
of your family. That's all fine. People do it. I'm
not saying live under a freeway ramp and we played
the all day long. But if you do any of
these things and sacrifice your own spiritual growth, such as
breaking universal laws, people who violate all kinds of things,
lying and cheating and doing anything for money and power,

(27:58):
and all the usual stuff that society has been on toever,
if you start the history of civilization written history, going
back six thousand years. There's one element that stays consistent,
you know, that is it's a three letter war. It's
called war.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Hey, before we proceed with war and anything else we
have to talk about, you're a little.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Paris for chees and the native ba.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
In every else.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Next, you're in the Power Cast with Gen Steinberg and
David Bietney. We are talking to doctor Bruce Goldberg and
amongst other things, lots of books. To his credit, he
has Egypt and extraterrestrial and time traveler experiment. And now
we're kind of spreading from the influence of the past

(28:52):
into being able to see future lives and everything. And
one thing we've discussed here on the Power Cast, and
it concerns me every time we talk about something like this,
is the area of deception where you communicate with what
are supposed to be higher powers, or they claim to
be higher powers, but what they tell you is in
true Give you an example, they will say, for example,

(29:13):
and this has been documented in the UFO field, where
they tell you there's going to be a sighting thus
and so and so you see the sidings and finally
you become so confident in this that you then announce
it to the press, your friends, your business associates. There's
going to be a siding noon tomorrow on the mountaintop
and the east side of town.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
It never happens. The question is.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Here, even if some being says to you in a
dream state or whatever, this is true, how do you
know it's true.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Well, I'm glad you boy. That's a great point. And
I appreciate that. I wrote a book called Protected by
the Light, where I talk about what's called the black
brotherhoods and police folks. This is not a racial blurb.
This is the literature. This is the scientific literature of archaeology, etc.
And what that means is that when we're on the
earth plane, let's use that way. And I don't know,
I'm a sitting your listeners sophisticated about metaphysics. This is,

(30:02):
let's say the three dimensions that we can see. The
fourth dimension is considered time, which is actually the fourth
dimension of the space time continuum. Anything beyond the fourth
dimension is considered to be the fifth dimension the space
time continuum, such as the astral plane where people go
and they cross into spirit. On the astral plane, you
have an upper and a lower. The lower is what
we're talking about here. The lower is made up of

(30:22):
lower astral entities who are very jealous of us. They
hate us, They want to torture us and use us
and jerk us around, so to speak. And what you're
talking about is the game is being played by these
little ins and they're more than just imps. They're pretty
nasty entities.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Now, wait, how do we know this?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
You're telling you what I said. There's a lower astral
plane and we have amps there.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
How do we know this?

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Well, not only is it my own research going back
for thirty three years, but there aren't that many books
written on site could attact. That's true. But if you
go back into the literature, you go back to d
Unfortune in nineteen thirty, you go back to all the
old literature, and all the old going back to at
least one hundred and fifty years, you'll read about and
of course the Indian literature going back a couple of
fouls in years, if not more, the Vedas and the

(31:02):
Baga Gheta and the Abanishads. You talk about the Egyptian
Book of the Dead, you're talking about the dependent Book
of a Dead. There's a lot of you could call
those religious scriptures. But they also have certain metaphysical if
you will, synchrony and consistency in their terms and and
their depictions of the different dimensions that we named them
differently occasionally, but the principle is still the same. There

(31:22):
is a dimension out there, a very nasty one we
called the lower Astral. In the West they called various things.
Bardo is what Theans called them. The Christians called them purgatory,
which is a plagiarism of Bardo. And basically it's a
nasty dimension. So you can call anything you want, but
it's been reported forever. This is why we law of evidence. Again,
it's reported every culture in most of the cultures throughout

(31:43):
the world throughout history have reported, if you will, the
equivalent of the lower astral plants. The Native Americans called
it the underworld. The Greeks called it the underworld too.
There's all the Romans that they saw u from the Greeks,
so and they stole of from the Egyptians. So the
point is is that just assume for a moment that
they're fIF dimensional entities out there that aren't our best friends.
If my time traveler contacts, if you will, are an

(32:06):
example of that, and that's really what you allude to
in that final I entertain that. Then how come the
messages spirituality not go out and put all your money
on thirty six red in Las Vegas and lose your shirt,
or not saying things that don't occur. When these time
travelers tell you things they occur. They're not trying to
play games. They're not trying to make people cheap the

(32:26):
system and win a lot of retickets. But when they
do give advice, or do give certain instructions, or can
act as guardian angels, and they do. By the way,
they can save people's lives. They can cure cancer, they
can stop you from falling off a mountaintop if they want.
Because they travel in the fifth dimension, where where the
very invisible to our three dimensional eyes, they never do anything.
It's they're like a dolphin. You ever hear a bad

(32:46):
story about a dolphin. Okay, they save us some sharks,
they risk their lives for us, and people eat them
in the polonies and islands. But you never hear them
a dolphin attacking people. So the time travelers are equivalent
to that. You never hear a bad story. Now you
can hear bad stories about ets, especially the Reptilians and
especially the Lriums, a very genetic group which is really
not on our side at all. But you don't hear.

(33:07):
There's enough of these stories going back to twenty five
years of my research where they had ample opportunity to
play games and to jerk us around, so to speak,
and I have never had one incident of that. Granted,
most people don't know they're dealing with the time travel
unless they specifically maintain a long detailed mono and monocommunication
because they're accents to say, by the way, my name

(33:28):
is taught to those and I'm from the thirty first entry,
so let's have a talk. They don't often do that
unless you specifically communicate with them and show your seriousness
and they realize it's not going to interfere with your
common cycle or scare you, if you will. But these
time traveler communications that i've shall we say, been exposed
to them literally hundreds of times now, they've all had
a positive ending, if you will, or a positive attribution.

(33:50):
So therefore I would say that we're not talking about
the equivalent of what lower ashells are doing. Who may
masquerade as your late grandmother and give you spiritual vice
reality trying to.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Hurt you well. Of course, another way to parse thea
of a time traveler promoting spirituality. One way to parse
that and look at that and to interpret that is
that beings are asking us to be loving and open.
Loving and open is the exact opposite of careful and guarded.
So when one is loving and open and open to things,
there is no differentiation there between open to good things

(34:24):
or bad things. Being open, of course, makes us be
open to suggestion, which in turn allows us to be controlled.
So when you're saying the idea, when you're putting forward
this idea that they are trying to get us to
be more spiritual, one has to, I think, be a
little careful about that because the fact that when we

(34:44):
talk about spirituality, it's a sense of being accepting, being trusting,
and as anybody who's ever been accepting and trusting of
someone who requires or asks for that and then turns
on them can tell you, very often that can turn
out to be dangerous, problematic. So again, we're talking about

(35:04):
human beings right now here and now in the current time.
Certainly one could look at all of the spiritual beings
who follow Sylvia Brown and believe that she is spiritually
positive when in fact she's the equivalent of a psychic vampire.
So again there has to be some much as you

(35:25):
make your.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Premise is false, and me sure you what I am
not going to hear that I'm not saying, say what
I'm not saying, and neither of a time travelers. By
the way, what I am not saying is an identity
or gullibility. The time travelers focused in on one of
the reasons why I'm not going to say I'm only
singled out there or other reports of time selfs I'm not.
The only wonder world has done is maybe I've documented
them in the two very detailed books. But my message

(35:46):
in life is psychic compowerment. And by the way, the
time travelers like that, in fact they represent them. Let's
say what that minute that means. Psychic compowerment means the
psychic is using your Shall we say your fis dimensional,
your alpha brainwaves, your subconscious, your invisible energy, positivity, your
soul's energy. If you will to empower yourself to take
charge of your life. Time travelers don't sit there and

(36:07):
say take everything verbatim and listen to me I am
your god, or I am going to tell you what
to do. They advise us. This is like you know,
advising consent from the Senate, you know, to the president here,
you're the president. Here. They inform you. They want you
to be empowered. They don't want you to just blindly.
I've never had a contact or any of my patients
to pick where they were being led down the primmost

(36:29):
paths other than these energy vampires or what do you
want to call them? The lower edd.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Okay, okay, but let's look at time travel. Let's look
at time travel.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
What about the so called time travel paradox, which is
that if you change the past, which you might be
doing by going to the past and influencing what people
do there, you're changing the future. Every little thing you
do could have an impact on the future, and you
might change the wrong thing. The person from the thirty
third century or something goes back in time and he

(36:59):
changes the wrong thing or she changes the wrong thing,
and guess what, they don't exist anymore. What about that paradox?

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Now, that's the old grandfather the paradox too. If you
go back in time and kill your grandfather, are you
Michael J. Foxon is your hands and the rest of
your body disappearing. But we have to understand two words
explain that, and those two words are parallel universe. Now,
just for your listeners and maybe for your own sake,
two parallel universes get a lot of science fiction hits
if you will, and a lot of attention. Parallel universes
are real and mathematically, they would they would depict that

(37:29):
Einstein knew about them in nineteen oh five when you
developed his theory relativity, and the quantum physicists and the
Copenhagen conventions in nineteen twenty six, when quantum mechanics was
first really set up as a form of science, they
all knew about that. You have at the third the
Printing University in nineteen fifty seven, with the first ones
to talk about the many world's phenomena, documented parallel universes
from a scientific mathematical model point of view. Now, this

(37:51):
is what happens in time travel and by the way,
hyperspace physicists keep thorn from counse Ca and Pasadena, Stephen
Hawking and Cambridge, they'll all document this. They'll support this concept.
If you travel back in time, and by the way,
the mathematical models for traveling back in time. Kipsm in
nineteen eighty eight wrote an article in the Physical Review Letters,
which is a physics journal. He wrote after Carl Sakan

(38:11):
because they were good friends, and Carl Sagan when he
wrote Contact, he wanted to make it the novel which
became a movie, wanted to make it technically accurate. So
we asked Kip to do the mathematical models for time
travel by enlarging wormholes, which is exactly the way time
travels was discovered or will be discovering a thousand years.
But be that as a may What happens is that
when you go back in time, let's say you have
a little time machine. Forget about the wormhole and the

(38:33):
wormhole linear accelerated, which is what they'll use in a
thousand years. Let's say you go back in time to
one hundred years ago. Okay, give or take. What you're
doing is you're not traveling back to the same universe
you left off. You're actually traveling to a parallel universe,
the closest sister universe. According to the Scientific American, which
is a very detailed and very quality magazine, has been

(38:54):
out for one hundred and fifty years. Very technical, but
it's for the way public. According to the August two
thousand issue, pages two to sixty nine of that issue,
where they discuss parallel universe their cover story, the closest
sister universe is less than a millimeter away. You know
how small a millimeter is? Real small, isn't it. Okay,
that's how close the nearest sister universe is. But it

(39:14):
has no effect on us. Right now, we don't have
there's a parallel universe.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay, So therefore the time travelers, you're not from a
future time, they're from another universe.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Actually it could be both. They're definitely from the future.
But what happens. But my point here is that when
they travel back in time, let's say they're going to say,
let's change a major event. Now we're not talking about
the assassination of Lincoln or you know, things like that
would have a humendous paradox to the future. But let's
say that there was a person who was going to die,
a person that isn't super famous, a certain is, a
person that isn't so significant to the universe as we

(39:44):
would call it, some event, and they decide to change
that event that's going to affect only that parallel universe.
They can then carry that food in that parallel universe.
As think of it as like a simulation, if you will,
like you know, training a pilot here and they can
see what happens. If the results are good, then they
can apply to our universe, our parallel universe. So they

(40:04):
have a way of testing the system before they mess
it up. So therefore these paradoxes people will worry about
is really not an issue. Can you imagine even think
even fantasize what the technology is going to be like
in fifty years, let alone a thousand and fifty years.
These people are really sophisticated. They can do things like
they have something called quantum medicine. M going to give
you an example of future technology.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Well no, b doctor Gilbert, before you do that, I
got to slow you down for a minute. You're in
the paracast with Gene Steinberg and David Vietney. You never
know what's going to happen the.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Next rob the Power Cast, we're talking to doctor Bruce
Goldberg and he's author of Egypt and Extraterrestrial and Time
Traveler Experiment by doctor Bruce Goldberg of course, one of
any books he's written. This is his latest, and we're
talking about interactions between Earth people and not necessarily extraterrestrials,

(41:10):
but time travelers, and that raises a lot of question
to statement. Well, let's go to the future time traveler
who comes back in time to experiment with changing the
outcome of an alternate universe.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
And as you said, doctor Goldber, they come back, they
can mess around with that alternate universe to see what's
going to happen. What about the future time travelers in
that alternate universe. Are we to believe that they will
stand by and watch their universe, their reality, be decimated
by a time traveler from an alternate universe. Is every

(41:48):
universe not in and of itself valid and wanting to
preserve itself?

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Well, of course they are. But you have to understand this.
This has just to be a lot more complicated. But
let let me try to break it down a little simply.
Number one, time travel will be discovered in the thirty
first century, approximately the year three thousand and fifty give
or take. Now, there are time travelers. My research shows
they go all the way up to the year five
thousand AD, which is two thousand years ahead of that,
so of course they're being monitored by there shall we

(42:16):
say superiors. A time travel from the thirty fourth century
in thirty fifth century is going to be far superior
in their knowledge and technology than somebody from the thirty
first century who is basically a rookie, if you will,
in time travel, so of course they monitor it. See,
you're assuming that by changing a certain event you're going
to destroy or really significantly camper the future. On the contrary,

(42:36):
usually it better is that this isn't like the old
science fiction novel where somebody you know goes back in
time to the dinosaurs and has a leaf on their
footo it kills the butterfly and comes back, and it's
a Twilight Zone episode where all of a sudden, now
there's a fascist dictatorship instead of democracy in America. This
kind of thing. Forget that those are science fiction novels
where it's clothes which are cute for television. But the
reality of it is they have devices there they can

(42:57):
monitor and see. It's almost like a computer scene relation.
They know pretty much what's going to happen, and if
there was an error, let's say the guy messed up
Let's say the rookie from three thy fifty. Let's say
talk with the guy who discovers time traveler will discover it,
that's his name. Let's say he messes up and he says,
you know, my math is wrong and I did this
change and it's going to mess it up. The time

(43:17):
travel from three or four hundred years after him, if
you will, can go back and easily prevent that. They
have devices and mentalities where they can. They can six,
if you will, an element that that is incorrect in
a pararel universe. They have something called a timeline sequence scanner,
which allows you to view past events in parallel universes.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
All right, he all right, we're gay a complete laundry
list of everything they're going to be doing one thousand
years from now, fifteen hundred years from now.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Okay, where's the proof for this?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Other than anecdotal reports of people who remember past life
experiences or are regress and are.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Recalling things that happen in the future. Where's your proof.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's not necessarily so that we have advanced technology a
few thousand years ago, because there are other possible causes
for that. So where's the proof that we have these
time trappers, and they're doing all this stuff because they
tell us.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Well, again, this is the example of how patient are you?
Because obviously none of this is going to happen right now.
The adactoal evidence you're talking about, this is a subjective experience.
If you want to prove, if you will, that by
the thirtieth century, teleportation will be used as a mode
of time travel rather than enlarging groom holes and causing
what kinds of problems by causing terrors in the space

(44:31):
time continuing, which is what happens. You can't prove that.
This is again the subjective experience. You could have your
own independent observations of that, but that becomes subjective from
your ene And therefore who died in the you God
is the mentality here. So I told you you cannot
prove this. All you can do is give suggestive evidence.
All I can say here to you and the listeners
out there is that because of the corroboration from many

(44:53):
people with no contact whatsoever, the wild Ley's law of
evidence mentality, you have the situation where you know you
can accept or not James law applies here. You know
the William James, the famous psychologist of one hundred plus
years ago. There's always enough evidence to get the active
is all excited, but never enough evidence to convince the
skeptics of any paranoral phenomena.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
When it comes to paranoral phenomenal, for example, UFOs, we
have mass sightings, we have certain pieces of compelling photographic evidence,
we have certain incidents where there is radar corroboration and
pilot corroboration. When it comes to spiritual entities, we do
have at this point a fairly good body of evidence.

(45:33):
Some of it, of course, is more as suspect versus
other parts of it, but there is evidence. And again
these things are not necessarily subject if I would submit that,
certainly for UFOs and for spiritual entities, we can prove
to certain even i'll say scientifically objective pieces of evidence.
The McMinnville photographs of the UFO have been subject to

(45:56):
scientific scrutiny and they pass again when it comes to
certain types of paranorm phenomena. When we talk about faith healing,
and we have our EGO in Brazil in the fifties,
sixties and seventies, we have about a million and a
half people who were cured by the guy. We have
people who have gone on the record saying yes, this
man cured me, and that's not proof.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
That's an anecotal evidence you don't have. Look, here's upon
I am an activistiness field. I have a protagon this
towards UFOs, to time travelers and paranormal events. I also
recognize the phonies and the Manila Filipino surgeons and all
these psychic surgeons.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
That was not absolutely sure.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
But here's about in the UFOSA. Yes, I like those.
We guess what you will get, and this is what
you allude to earlier, which we didn't discuss, which I'd
like to, and that is the disinformation agents. You will
get guys like Bruce mccabee who will just about every
single photograph by using his fancy little government paid for
corporate own lord, government's lash paid for equipment to show, oh, look,
this couldn't possibly be a UFO because of the blank

(46:54):
where is the body? They're going to say, show me
ekey phone home. I want to see his little body,
not the alien autopsy, which was a scam. I want
to see the actual body. It's like trying to say
Bigfoot exists, but wherever they die, and we know they
die because they're you know, they're animals. We don't have
a body of Bigfoot too, or the chessa monster, or
any of the others. The problem is we don't have

(47:15):
the hardcore UFO craft. We don't have the body. Now,
of course I do think we do. The government indult
see New Mexico by underground basis, et cetera, just ain't
open to the public. But the point is that in
the UFO field, if you will, we don't have the
actual physical proof that will convince the skeptics, who, of course,
by definition, won't be convinced no matter what you do.

(47:37):
You know, the old rule of thumb batter skeptics. If
the UFO lands in the backyard, they want to bury
it and hope nobody sees a land. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
That's kind of you're saying that doctor mccabee is a
disinformation agent.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Well, what I'm saying is that he conveniently disavows every
single photograph I've ever seen them evaluate them, and to me,
really so. But I have a lot of problems with.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You with It's sort of like David find we've had
doctor mcabe olog show.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
That's how about Bruce the book UFOs are real? Where
doctor mccabee puts forward a wide range of photographs that
he has certified as being genuinely unexplained, and he supports
as being not ours. What about that?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
That's fine except that number one, he won't get his
colleagues to support that, and he doesn't state that. What
they'll state is that, well, I can't explain this. Not
explaining it, it's not the same thing as certifying that
this is extraterrestrial origin.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
How do you certify it? For heaven's sake, how can
you certify it?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Well, doctor mccabee does is state that they're not ours.
No one, no one has ever been able to absolutely
certify that an unexplained object in the air is extraterrestrial.
We don't know that. What we know is that they're
not ours.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, now that's again, that's fine. That for not ours
from our occurring mentality, and that's fine. This is would
explain things. This is what would support and make the
skeptics a lot more, shall we say, let's listen to
by the general public. Is if you had, you know,
some of the Roswell metals the New Mexico from the
crash in nineteen forty seven, if you had some bodies
that weren't made up by some Hollywood special effects guy.

(49:18):
If you had something like that, metals that have no
origin from the Earth, that the components, if you will,
are totally non earth and origin, as well as a
physical body or two, then we don't have to worry
about photographs and anecdotal evidence. And believe me, I want
to see that. I do think that the underground basis
and that various different little places around this planet, you know,

(49:38):
have these. It's just that they're being hidden by us
because of the usual paranoid government mentality. So I point
this is that I'd love to have it. I have
an accessist in that, except that we don't have the
physical proof at least that's available for us to really say, hey,
look this is great, here's the proof. Now let's move
on to the next thing. I don't know where we're
going to get it, but we're not going to get

(49:58):
it real soon. According to the information I'm getting my
patients and the progressions involved. I'd like to just, you know,
focusing on this. We can't. You're looking for things like
how can we prove time travelers and exist? You can
have all the interactions, they're not going to go on CNN,
They'll be taken out by a man of black in
the New York minutes. So that's not going to happen.
They're not going to identify themselves and put themselves in jeopardy.

(50:18):
So obviously it's all going to be anecdotal, subjective, and
that's the only thing you're going to get from this field.
I mean, there are men of black out there. They
will kill people.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I mean, oh, well, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Okay, now we're getting another claim. We do have reports
of men in black that could be disinformation agents whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Where have they killed anybody? Where's this documented? How do
you know this?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Well, you know this is interesting. Everybody knows who Ian
Fleming is, don't it, right? You know James Bond author, right,
he had a history of working for the Secret Service
in Britainy World War Two. I was a very interesting guy.
Well guess what. He died of a heart attack in
nineteen sixty four on the anniversary by the way of
the Philadelphie Experiment. By the way, he was investigating the
Philadelphie experiment. He was also in the Kenny assassination. People

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don't know that he was very actively involved and his
death his heart attack. Do you know how easy it
is to fake a heart attack by murder, especially in
nineteen sixty four. Well, his death was a very very
unusual circumstance, another unusual circumstances.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
We can't prove it, Okay, all right, just because we
all right, I agree with you. You could certainly fake a
heart attack, and certainly poisons can do that. But how
do we know that Ian Fleming died prematurely because of
some outside influence? And how do we know there were
men in black? Now, there could be a lot of
causes for that. Maybe he had an ex wife who
didn't like him, you know, the ready, So the guy.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Smoked, the guy drank, the guy was an alcoholic, but
he had a lifestyle that was you know, he was
a good old boy. All right, that's all fine, But
it isn't it interesting how all the stresses into his
life happened to have given in right in the middle
of the investigation of the Kennedy assassination in the Philadelphi Experiment.
Another man who has also died in nineteen seventy three,
who was involved in the Philadelphi Experiment, in fact, very

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involved with Ivan T. Sanderson do you know that name?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I knew Ivan T. Sanderson? Okay, you knew him?

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Okay, Well, I wish I knew him, because this guy
was the kind of person I want.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
To have sing though. The one thing I'll tell you
about Ivan T. Sanderson sometimes he could pull a stunt
a little bit. I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
And I know for people who knew I, Okay, your audience,
now you're obviously going to get their wrong impression. Ivan T.
Anderson was very good friends and knew very well. Morris K. Jessop,
there's your Philadelphia EXPERIMENTI big time. Marris K. Jessop wrote
the book about the case the UFOs, the one that
had the annotations that was looked upon by the Navy
intelligence and conveniently, Marris K. Jessop was found supposedly committing

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suicide in nineteen fifty eight in his car by the
carbon monoxide. Blah blah blah. There's an example of it.
You want menim black? Menim black?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I remember, Okay, I'm old enough to remember who Mars
K Jessop was. I read his books, The Case for
the UFO, The Expanding Case for the UFO. I have
seen a photocopy of the annotated edition of the Case
for the UFO by this Carlin, who kind of admitted
or a lende. He referred to himself in both ways,

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and to some degree he may have been a prankster,
and to some degree people think that, and he kind
of hinted that himself when he was contacted.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Now, let's take a look at that entire thing.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I also, and I don't know if you read the
books on the subject by Charles Burltz, I gave a
copy of that to Charles Burletz when he was doing
his research for the book back in the nineteen seventies
that he sequel to the Meermuda Triangle. Okay, I gave Charles.
I was a very good friend of his. My wife
and I visited him in his home on a number
of occasions. I spent hours getting my free lunch from him,

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because he could afford to get me a free lunch.
But I also spent a lot of time with Charles
Burls giving him information for his books. And the annotated
edition of the Case for the UFO was one of
those things. It doesn't mean you necessarily can take it seriously,
and it doesn't follow that the men in Black killed
Marris K.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Jessp.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Maybe they did, but follow it would fall if you
complete the story and focus on how come we nabel
intelligence people? How came those good old boys with their
non bottom sitting in Washington? D C made many copies
of Jessp's book.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Okay, well, actually one company made copies the so called
vo edition. But you know, at that particular point in time,
we don't know why they did it, But we don't
know that those men in black came out and said,
you know what, we're going to get rid of Mk.
Jesse because he knows too much. Because you've got to
look at this. For example, if that was connected to

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any kind of government operation and you want to keep
information about UFO's secret, why would you do away with him?
Did he have any knowledge that was really that important
other than this particular thing.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Well kill Carl Allen because.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
He's the guy who's responsible, or carlos Selende, if you
want to use the name that he adopted. If you
really want to kill somebody, why not kill him. He
survived for many years after that. We're just about to
break for the halfway period in our interview with doctor
Bruce Goldberg, and we're trying to cover a lot of
the ramifications of the things he's talking about in his
book Egypt and Extraterrestrial and Time Traveler Experiment.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
And we'll be back in the second hour of the
Power Cast of.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Repeating We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Hi, this is Brice Label. I'm the producer of Dark Skies,
the co author of ad After Disclosure, And you are
listening to the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
On part two with the Power Cast, we are talking
to doctor Bruce Goldberg, author of a number of books,
including Egypt and Extraterrestrial and Time Traveler Experiment.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
In part one.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
At the end of part one, I was questioning doctor
Goldberg about how we could possibly connect the death of
MK jessup to the possible intervention.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
By so called men in black. You want to respond
to what I was saying.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Sure, first of all, Alendai Carlos Alendi or at Carl Allen.
When you do the investigation on him, he becomes more
and more of a cartoon character and a joke. But
who wasn't a cartoon character was the researcher Marris k Jessen.
So therefore, if the military or the men of black government,
whatever you want to call it, the shadow government, whoever's
involved here, if they want to get rid of somebody,

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they don't care about Alendai. He's a cartoon if they
know that any detailed investigation is going to show his
little cartoon activities. What they don't like are people who
are doing real, good quality investigations. Maurice K. Jessp Ian Fleming,
Ivan T. Sanderson. These are people who don't give up.
They're like a bulldog, you know, with a piece of
meat there. They don't give up. It would be like

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saying that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole shooter of
John F. Kennedy. Okay, Now, does anybody really think out
there that there wasn't a American's House of Representatives conceded
that there was a conspiracy or at least that there
was more than one shooter back in nineteen seventy eight
in a very diluted milktail investigation. But even they assume
that they conclude that there was more than one shooter.
So there are people who by the way, there's four

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kinds of men in black, not just government agents. Government
agents in our current government, if you will, and all
throughout history have done this. They also cover up a
lot of the material, like you know the crooks too
from ancient Egypt c Why we don't have those here.
You also have the Black Brotherhood from the lower astual plane,
if you will, They function as men in Black. You
also have EPs from our current century but from different

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planets who come here and also try to cover up evidence,
if you will, of their own mentality, at least their colleagues.
And then you have time travelers in the future. There
is a certain small sect that aren't here for our
spiritual growth. They're men in Black. They try to cover
up any activity done by time travels or ets or
anything else that isn't politically correct, and they will kill
a time travel and they have devices to detect where

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they are, which is why a time travel spends most
of their time in the fifth dimension where they can't
be seen by us. But they also can't be detected
by the Men of Black. Some of them are government agents,
the ones that work for our current government, if you will.
Air Force mostly represents the current form of the Men
of Black de ones that you see on you know,
depicted on Hollywood. Then the Black Brotherhood, of course, you
can't put an idea or SOLI security number on them.

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They are simply just ET's who try to just cover
up because that's who they are. They just don't want
anybody to know what's going on. They're in league, of course,
with the government. You have to understand that the technology
that we have today, if people think it's because of
your tax dollars, well, because of the corporate overlords that
you kind of like to describe to get it. That's nice.
But the real reality about where we get our technology,

(58:32):
computers and iPods and all this kind of stuff comes
from ET's and time travelers. Basically, the government has made
their packs. They've sold their soul to the ETS, not
the time travel so much in that capacity, but the ETS,
and they said, you can do some of the abductions,
create a treaty of nineteen fifty four Eisenhower, and we
want the technology. Okay, we want to learn how to
go to out of space, we want to learn how

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to increase our communication skills, blah blah blah. And that's
where the men of Black commen. So you have those
government agents, you have the Black Brotherhood, then you have
ET and then of course you have the time travels
from our future a certain police force, if you will
that moderate and shall we say oversee, if you will,
the functions of time travels, as long as not making
them subs obvious, and as long as they're not doing

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something that will initiate investigation, and the public being aware
of the actual time travels themselves, they leave them alone.
And if they can't detect them, they can't detect them.
But there are men of black of their big time.
And for example, there was a federal law that was
passed called Title fourteen, Section one two one one of
the CODA Federal Regulations, which was known as the etc.
This law, but by our government, by the way, does

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not concede, in fact, denies that there are any extra
terrestrient in UFO is officially the US Air Force, any
part of Washington d C, any part of Department Defense,
will absolutely flatly deny, like you wouldn't believe. Yet in
nineteen sixty nine, July sixteen, specifically, they passed this ridiculous
fascist law that's called the ET Law that says that
contact between a US citizen and an ET or their

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vehicles was illegal and punishable by a five thousand dollars fine.
You would be imprisoned by a NASA official with no
right rid of habeas corpus, which means you couldn't have
a hearing, you couldn't have a judge, you couldn't have
your lawyer go in there. It's like the way we
treat terrorists today or terror suspects. And in fact it
was up to the NASA official when you were released.
This role was repealed by George Bessior in nineteen ninety

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one April sixteen. For twenty two years, this ridiculous fascist
law was on the books. To show you where the
government's attitude was about ets and their crafts. So this
is an example of the double sided aspect of the
government you have. At least when it comes to the
men of black. The Air Force has been mostly known
for their men in black, if you will, because of
the depiction you have, especially the Air Force Special Activity

(01:00:43):
Center called ASSAC, specifically the eleven twenty seventh Field Activities Group,
has been well known in alleged government collaborator or William
Moore has made that public many times over the last
twenty five thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
But then why should we believe William Moore. Let's just
stop with William Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
William Moore, he's done this information, So why do you
believe him, or Richard Dodi or any of these characters
who have come forth in the UFO field, and they've
made claims and counter claims, and we've had that all
through the years. How do we know, for example, the
men in black are really from the Air Force or
not from the NSSA, or not from the Sacred Government,
or not from the Builder Burgers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Okay, well it doesn't really matter. For example, Williamore is
entitled to his First Amendment rights and I've given them.
I don't believe him blindly. Williamore is a lot of
problems if you could discover his whole background. There are
a lot of things about him that I have problems with,
But that's okay. My point is that whatever it is
is from some entity, whether it's the shadow governments, whether
it's the builderberg the Trilateral or the Council of Farm Relations.

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By the way, one of those people you have the
shadow governments, the overlords if you will, to really control
the world rather than our presidents in Congress, et cetera.
It doesn't matter whoever it is. These are not people
that are out for your best interests. These are people
who are trying to literally become a one world government
kind of you know, the New World Order mentality, and
they're not for your best interests, and they're basically intercover

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the dis simple as that our government has been known
for cover ups since day one. Every government has been
involved and cover up. The Catholic Church, the Vatican has
been involved and cover up every organization has any power,
that has any position and has any amount of money,
which both go with hand to hand money and power.
They're all going to be involved in and covering their
dirty laundry to keep their power base. It's the Egyptian

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history is called pre six thousand years ago? Did that?
I mean, it's you can't prove it. But again, can
anybody really prove that Leonrey Olswell was associ shooter of
John F. Kennedy? Know? Can they prove that there are
other shooters? They're suggestive evidence that it was and they
know who they were. No, but of course there's a
lot of allegations, whether they were three guys behind the
Grassio who were mafiosa, hired by the mafia, whatever, by

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the CIA.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Coll or Fred Lee Christmin maybe Fred Lee Crispin was
one of them, Fred Lee Christ being a figure in
the Moury Island affair, David or energy beams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Energy beams destroyed the World Trade Center too, or everything
that we consider reality is one big consensual hallucination that
the matrix. It's a documentary not a movie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
You all in the Indians to talk about the Maya
the illusions of the earth plane, which means that how
do you know, for example, when you woke up this morning,
how did you know that you actually didn't cross into
spirit and now you're on the astral plane, Because when
you do cross into spirit, you don't know you've changed
the mensions for a long time until let's explain to you,
until your family and relatives can't actually hear you will
see you. How do you know that, for example, that
this isn't all like a sigment or as they say

(01:03:25):
in the Old Submarine the Beatles car through nineteen sixty
eight pigments of your imagination? How do you know that
there's nothing out there but a black void and we're
using some universal collective unconsciousness, if you will, or whatever
to create all this. We don't know any of that.
We just said we have to go by what we
go by, and we have to have some sort of
a belief system or else we're going to go crazy
and kill each other or kill ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Well, I believe that's already happened. I believe we have
indeed all gone crazy and we are indeed will killing
each other. That seems to be the history of planet Earth. Meanwhile,
it's not the future.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Though, it's not delimitate something. I realize that you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Don't know that. You don't know that right now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
I'd rather go down with a positivity and go down
swinging with what my research has shown, as well as
corroboration from patients and my own individual corroboration, then to
go through life sitting there getting duct taped to cover
my doors every time I go in and out, to
make sure the biological warfare helem and they'll get to me.
You don't win that game. Fear is the reason why
people are miserable, not because of the government or because

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of the food they're eating. It's actually fear.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Fear is propagated by the government. Fear often is a
result of bad nutrition. When people don't eat properly, their
brain's not getting nourished, which means that now their electrochemical
computer has gone haywire, and they're not thinking clearly. When
people are indoctrinated into fear by turning on their TVs

(01:04:43):
and seeing fear promoted constantly bashed into their heads via
the idiot box, then indeed, you know who is creating
that program on television, the mass media, who's kind of
accept it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
To David, you've got, first of all, there's a couple
of premises. Number One, fear is not produced by bad nutrition.
You could have biological depression, you could have not enough serotonin.
I understand all the biochemistry. Believe me. I study that. However,
you can't biochemically give you fear. Fear has to be
free will, First Amendment right excepted. When the government tells
me there's an orange alert, I say to myself, excuse me.

(01:05:17):
I'm going out to play tennis and I'm working on
my serve. Okay, I could care less about the government's
YadA YadA trying to induce fear. Reason the government induces fear,
by the way, it's not real complicated. It's because they
want to justify compromising people's civil rights for the purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
No debate, There no debate there, Fear is gomplement.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
So you can't biochemically say, okay, I'm going to give
you a cup of fear. Fear is something you either
accept or you don't. Either. You have that mind that
that vulcan mind meld, so to speak, empowerment, And this
is where psychic compowerment comes in. You're using your mind
to get the biochemistry for a moment, because your mind
is more important anyway. But if you don't accept fear, okay,
if you simply say I'm going to do my thing,

(01:05:58):
I have a positive belief in the future. You're in
my presence and I'm going to do my thing begardless
of what all the people out there doing, They're welcome
to their mentalities. If you have that kind of empowerment,
you're can be a whole lot better off. And if
I'm long guess what, I'd rather be that so and
be wrong and be happy than to go through life
constantly hiding my wallet, scanning the world for all the

(01:06:18):
enemies that are about to get me. I don't live
my life that way, and I don't recommend anybody, either
you or your audience, doing either. Because you don't warn
that game, you don't learn at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Everything seems to be discussed in terms of extremes. Either
we are extremely A or B. We're extremely black or white,
we're extremely fearful or not. But there are middle grounds here.
There is a natural mechanism of fear that says, if
you're up on the top of a building, don't walk
right to the edge of the ledge. Be fearful of

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that because you might fall off. You know, one cannot
say that fear is useless. There's a reason fear is
inside of us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Do you know the difference between a phobia and the fear, Well,
a phobia is illogical.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
A phobia is an irrational fear.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Rational fear. That's the key term.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
You got it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Irrational. Now, therefore, we have a natural fear of heights.
People don't walk off the edge of buildings unless they're
absolutely schizophrenic. We have a natural fear of heights. But
the fear that the government is going to be after you,
or that your next door neighbor is out to get
you like an old Twilight Zone episode. You know, remember
the nuclear for ourselves is going to come in there
and cram into it ruins in the nuclear war. If
you do that, irrational aspect and using duct tape to

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line your doors is irrational. Okay, people will accept you. Right.
There are people who most people with all due respect,
except the brainwashing of the three major parts of civilization.
Civilization is controlled by three bureaucracies. You've got government. We
all know about them, and they are brainwashing. We know
about corporations, the corporate own lords that you guys like
to describe it, and I agree with that, by the way.
And then you have religion who tries to scare you

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with eternal damnation. And that's interesting because I want to
bring that up because that's part of the fear. Do
you know where the concept of the devil and hell
comes from? The concept of the devil in the hell
is never around on the history of this planet until
approximately thirty one hundred BC. I document this in the
egypt Book, and I give the scholar this is not
my opinion. This is the opinion of scholars. This is

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academic archaeologists in history and Egyptologists and historians. Before the
year three thousand, give or take three thousand BC, throughout
the world, there were plenty of aborigine groups that are
plenty of the Shamans go back fifty thousand years in Siberia.
We have plenty of records of civilization and cultures. The
term the devil in Hell was created by the Egyptian
Mystery School priests in approximately thirty one hundred, give it

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take three thousand BC, when they unified Egypt to become
the first date we lower Egypt and Upper Egypt, upper
being the Southern War because the Nile flows them south
to north. Was unified under the legendary pharaoh Minis, who
is actually a time traveler. But that's another story.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Oh, I say what, We're going to stop and ask
about that in the moment. Hi, my name is Richard Dolan.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
You're listening to the Paracast with my two friends Jeans
Seinberg and David be Edne.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
During the Power Cast with Gene Steinberg and David b Edney.
We're talking to doctor Ruskoldberg, author of Egypt and Extraterrestrial
and Time Traveler Experiment and other books. Okay, so I
am now wondering here, how do we know this person
was a time traveler?

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Well, again, the time traveler aspect is something that Lewis
Herbert Gray, the editor of the Mythology of All Races
volume thirteen of a thirteen series volume published in nineteen
sixty four. It was my main source for discovering the
fact that this is his opinion, his research and his
colleagues that before the year approximately three thousand BC, there
was no reference to the hell or devil other than

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the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which of course is
an older book anyways on that, but that's where they
depicted the fires of hell. Apothus was the serpent that
was considered to be the devil the Greek called ron Diabolos,
et cetera. But it all comes from ancient Egypt. And
if you look at ancient Egypt, we also know that
if you study theology, Moses was a learned man of Egypt.
That's the quote from the Old Testament. So you have
the Jews copy of the Egyptian Book of the Dead

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for the devil in Hell. They didn't spend much time
talking about it, but that Christian sure did all big time,
especially in revelations, and that's where we get the devil
in Hell. If you don't have a devil in hell,
nobody goes to church, nobody cares about their lifestyle and
breaking ten commandments or whatever else They moral ethical code
is because they don't have to worry about eternal damnation.
There is no such thing as helf. There's a lower
actual plane which people will think as hell, but it's temporary, folks,

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So you can get out of it. Then you do
and you reincarnate. But the concept of hell is a
real big seller.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
For religious Okay, well, you see, it comes back to
the same problem, which is what you're making a lot
of statements, so many statements. We're trying to seize one
at a time. So, okay, you're reincarnated. How do we
know you're reincarnated.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Well, again, you can only get suggestive evidence. My documented case,
the Search for Grace, which was independently by CPS, which
is not exactly a fan of my work. They're very
conservative and they never did a movie on reincarnation for
nineteen ninety four. I can tell you that you get
pretty and Stevenson, professor of University of Virginia for what
fifty so are yea has been doing research documenting kids
who with free five years old, giving namestates and places

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of civilizations that are thousands of miles from where they
live in some little village somewhere in India. Which is
a very poor country. Basically, they give it the vocabulary
they give they speak fluent languages. I've had a patient
who was five years old. Here's an example of suggestive vilege.
You can't prove this. I had a patient who was
five years old, a very bright little kid. But the
kid watches cartoons. He's speaking medieval German dialect. It was

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document so I speak a little German. From my college
background and conscience, I took German as language, but I
went to a language expert. This language experg documented the
kid's language, and the kids spoke fluently. You could ask
them a question in Gavarian German, which is not even
used today in Germany. It's a medieval dialect, and he
could answer the question where did he get that from?
He doesn't get that from his cocopuff cartoon commercials. He

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gets that because again, you can say, was it telepathy?
Was he tapping into the collective unconsciousness? Was the spirit
guy or some lower asthal entity, whatever it is. We
don't know, but I'll tell you, Walt, the reincarnation is
my number one Alterntos hypothesis. So explain that. And again,
people have died in past lives by being stabbed, et cetera,
of by a certain scar all of a sudden, the
kids a newborn. And this is he and Stevens in

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the more recent work and other of his colleagues to
show that people actually inherit the scars from their past
life debt scene. I mean, they even look like some
of their past lives. There's a certain genetic impatibility that
comes to most people who reincarnate, by the way, do
not stay in the same family line, So you can't
just go by genetic.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa? How do we know that too?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
But the problem five thousand questions in the last thirty
three years. I mean my research is one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
But I'm talking somebody says something in a regression doesn't
necessarily mean it's true. There could be other reasons of
other influences that cause that to happen. And then certainly
if you had any PEERI view of your hypnotic sessions
to see whether others independent people feel that maybe you're
not following a traditional path and getting this information.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Well, of course hypnosis is I mean Stephen's in them
like hypnosis either, he wouldn't do hypnosis. He would just
talk to kids at the most psychic level of development,
which is between two and five, a conversation with them
without doing the formal hypnotic conduction, and the kid would
start relating about the past life. So but here's the point. Yes,
my colleagues that peer review it. We have other colleagues
who've done the same things. We've had scientists who are

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not hypnotherapists like Ian Stephenson and his group and others.
There are many of us around the world doing this. Now.
The whole point is that most people, the average person
you're Joe sex back out there are so to speak.
They will assume that number one, you don't change sexist
in past lives, which is not true. Although three quarters
of your lives are as the same sex, you're going
to spend at least twenty five percent of your lives
as the opposite sex. People report changes of sexes. They

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also assume that you're going to stay in the same
family line, which is not true. They also assume you're
going to stay as the same race or ethnic background,
which is not true at all. You change all kinds
of races.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
What about animals, what about being reincarnated as a cow, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
This is the interesting thing that's transmigration from the old Tibetans,
and even the Tibetans, by the way, I have no
evidence I've never regressed the head of letters yet. Okay,
everybody's been human, some people more human than others, but
everybody's been human, even the Tibetan. The class states transmigration
is the old philosophy. They feel that the original individual
person we see today was originally the rock, the mineral kingdom.
Then they matriculated or matured into the plants, and then

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the lower animals, and then human. Once you reach the
human form, according to the Tibetans and the Hindus, if
you were from India, you don't regress back into a
previous like a lower animal or a plant or a rock.
So even they will agree that once you're human, you're
always going to be human. That's not the issue at all.
The issue here is that you're getting again consistency, you
get documentation, you get things that people are usually people

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who would expect the opposite, and they're telling you the
opposite of what they were always say, preconceived or prejudicably
affected by it. They were assumed, and they're saying the
opposite of what they said. You know, I didn't think
I thought that we always say the same sex, so
I thought that always be white or black or whatever
the racial aspect is. So again that is only suggestive evidence,
but it really announce up. It's sort of like the

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temple dendar or a hieroglyphic when you add one little
element was it hamp or was it a bread cable?
And then you're throwing the vographs gen, You're throwing the
Crooks tube, you're throwing the guy with the headsets, you're
throwing the baboon with a knife, and you're starting to
build a very impressive case.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
You know, let me ask you a question here. I
know David has a number of questions, but I'm gonna
throw one more out. And that is the problem we have,
I think is because you're making a lot of statements
that you don't seem to be verified except that other
people make the same claim. How would you go about
or is there a way to go about verifying reincarnation
in a laboratory setting, So we know that there really

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is such.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
A thing as reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It's not just a theory that is being voiced because
of a certain phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Well, you really can't do it in the laboratory. I'll
tell you why. I'm a scientist. Okay, that's my trade.
So let me show you what science says. Science says
that if there is an alternative hypothesis, your paradigm, if
you will, is not going to be proved. You can
give suggest the evidence, but you can't prove it. For example,
let's say I take a five year old child or
a four year old child, and let's say I woke
with him, and this game is from a scotch Irish background.

(01:15:55):
Let's say you know a good old American or whatever,
scott European back and he starts speaking in the nin
dynasty Chinese. Okay, and he starts Now he's speaking the
language familiarly with the language expert there, but thoughts giving
the detections, the geography of his village, starts giving named
dates and places. Now you're going to say, WHOA guess what?

(01:16:16):
You know what scientists would say if I was going
to be on the other end and being a laboratory
scientist on federal grants, I would say, Okay, we don't
have reincarnation as the only alternatiypothesis. How do we know
he's not telepathically communicating with the soul of this Chinese
gentleman from three thousand BC, Or how do we know
he's not tapping into the ecostic records stored on the
causal plane in space time continuum? Well, how do we

(01:16:38):
know he's not dealing with a lower actional entity trying
to play games with us and giving us information which
is verifiable? But in fact it's just based upon the
lower actional entity having a bad hair day and getting
sick and tired of watching Oprah. There's too many other
explanations out there, all of which, by the way, are
paranormal or esp if you will. So guys like it.
Not so amazing. Randy would not like it. But it
doesn't prove reincarnation. Reincarnation is only one hypothesis. However, it's

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the most likely one when you add all the other
evidences in all the other anecdotes and all the other
examples together.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
No, it's not, No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
I mean, you may like telepasy is an answer. A
lot of people like that, whatever your cup of tea is.
But the point is is that I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Could turn the quantum. I could turn the quantum physics,
and I could say, you know, in fact, if we
look at the quantum mechanics view of the universe, then
there is no past, present, and future. They're all simultaneous
and by some strange quirkable the electromagnetic field around this
person at this moment, the boundaries between the different metaverses

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have broken down, and they are actually relating information that
is concurrent but simply not within our instrumentation's reach.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
That's fine, I'll accept. That's a very nice scientific and
nice and nicetok However.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
If you do that, it's not scientific. We have no
proof of metaverses. Wet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
We know that that's not true, and that's not true.
Let's because that's be acturate. We have mathematical models. You
have the third cecies, which is now fifty years old,
nineteen fifty seven, has been picked apart by more people
than a Thanksgiving turkey. Okay, you can imagine the scientists
and the other field other than quantum mechanics and astronomers
and astrophysicists. They have tried to tear this thing apart
in journals and guess what it has too the test

(01:18:19):
of time. Just as most of Einstein's theory of relativity
has to the test of time. Some happens, we can
go beyond the speed of light, but most of it
has held up. My point is that parallel universe is
a fact mathematically, there is no argument on that. If
you are well familiar with integral calculus and read all
that and heavy experience with quantum mechanics and look at
you have at the third's equations that there's many wealth

(01:18:40):
phenomenal dissertation which is on the public you can google it,
you can get it on its public document. It's published.
It's not anauguable hypothesis, just like kid form when it
came up with the wormhole and launching of the wormhole
to allow an advanced civilization to create a time machine.
Which is a quote from his article in nineteen eighty
eight September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty eight Physical View Letters.

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That's a scientific journal that's equivalent to any scientific journal today.
That's Kip Thorn, who is considered to be one of
the worlds, if not the world's, authority on actual physics
and time travel. He out debated Stephen Hawking and one
to debt about black holes. That's how good Kip Thorn
is Okay, this guy's a genius. Well, all that needs
is that we have the mathematical models. We know how
to do time travel mathematically. We don't have exotic matter,

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which is what you need to build a time machine
or to a larger wormhole. We can't a larger wormhole.
We can't even see one today, let alone naked classical
size to put a ship in there and a human
being and other occupants. But we know the model exists,
we don't mathematically Kipsorn's model will work if we could
get exotic matter and get a wormhole and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
It will come on. Bruce, that's not intellectually honest. You
don't know that it will work. You can't say we
know it will work if only we had the energy source.
Until we have the energy source, we don't know what
the ramifications of that energy source being switched on are.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Kiss it work, and I will go with Kip Thorn
as one of the world, if not the world's, foremost
authority on wormhole, linear accelerator time travel paradigms. I will
go with Kip Thorn from Caltech Capacadena. With all due
respect to you or anybody else out there, even science,
even some hobbyist scientists out there. I will go with
what kip Thorn says. Kip Thorne says that yes, if

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you've got exotic matter and advanced civilization can do it,
this will work. I will buy Kipson's mentality until somebody
proves and shows me a mathematical model with very strange
architectural You can see the diagrams of this thing. It's
beautiful if you understand the math. And I'm not a physicist.
The point is that unless I see a model, a
mathematical model that actually brings out the equations and shows

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me that he's wrong, I'm going to accept kid forrin.
He's going to be what we all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Know about this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Before we argue about this, let us just do this
break real quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
You've entered in another dimensions entered.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
You're in the Powercast with Jeane Steinberg and David Bietnia,
and we're talking doctor Bruce Goldberg having a spirited discussion
not only about the book each of the Next to
Terrestrial and Time Traveler experiment, but the ramifications. David, I agree,
how would you know? Expand on that, how would you
know if the mathematical construct that would contradict Kip Burn's
work has presented to you, doctor Goldberg, How do you

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know whether it's wrong or right if you don't have
the mathematical understanding and knowledge to evaluate it well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Because people like Steve Hawkings, who is by the way,
an antagonist to kicks one on his mentality about the
wormhole paradigm, if you will, and many other physicists and
natrophysicists and hyperspace specialists around the world have been attacking
him for the last nineteen years. And just like with
with good old Hughever, the third from Princeton, guess what
they all hue in journals all the time. They go
back and fork if you know a scientists they use

(01:22:16):
the journalist as they're spoke to pollium, if you will,
Not one person in fact, they validated it. He's been validated,
every single one of them I know of every one
of the skeptics. Every one of the people who challenged
him either have been silent, which means they can't prove
it or can't prove the opposite, or they've validated his research,
just like Einstein's equations. You know every written from Princeton,
the big superstring guy. Do you know what it was interesting.

(01:22:38):
If you deal with superstring theory, yours comes out of
the superstring equations, the Einstein theory of relativity. Okay, it's
a subposit of the supernam I say you superstring is
the theory of everything. It isn't. I think the end
one theory is better. But the point is is that
this is been nineteen years ago. He's been picked apart,
and nobody has said. By the way, if I didn't
found wrong, if anybody disproved them, that would be an

(01:22:58):
associated press wire surface story right now, real fast, just
like when quantum teleportation was discovered or done in nineteen
ninety six. You guys, I'm sure heard about that in
Austria and Italy then replicated here in others. That was
a big story, wasn't it. You know, it was the
only thing about thought trek and being of Scotti ever
that I heard about that, at least anybody in the media.
My point is is that well, Kip Thorn, because of
his relationship with Stephen Hawking, because of his stance about

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the wormhole mentality and time travel, yes, that would have
been made rather public. I would have heard about it.
Person watching the Today Show would have heard about it,
and it hasn't happened in nineteen years, and that's a
long time for science.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
One of the things we constantly talk about in the
parentast is the danger in making definitive statements about anything.
We try to approach these topics with an open mind,
but with a skeptical mind. It always concerns us when
we hear the term skeptic being put down or put
into any kind of a derogatory light. It's always very
important to differentiate between a debunker and a skeptical. Thinking

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is critical, critical to any any attempt to have any
deeper understanding of the universe. And I will say that
in a very definitive fashion.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I will agree with you, But I don't think Michael
Schaumer is an objective skeptical. I think he's a de
bunker who just wants it. Any historians either a scientist.
People don't know that, they don't read his background.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Absolutely have talked about the fact that Shermer is an
ass hat.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
A lot of publicity. He's on the History Channel every other.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
He writes a monthly thing for Scientific American as well.
This is a guy who has said that you can't
trust the observations of a pilot in terms of aerial phenomena,
any more than a guy in the street corner. We
know he's full of crap. Okay, that's not in debate
on this show. At the same time, Bruce, I'm looking

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right now at your website at a page called am
I a time Traveler? Where essentially you imply that you are. No, No, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Yeah, that's not what the side says. I'll say I
wrote that side. I'll say what that side says. What
that side says that if I originated from the coast
to coast and the US, I did with Art Bill
and Art Bell before George Norrie. On the blogs that
have been around the universe of the past ten years,
people have been saying that, look, these guy's quoting thirty
fifth century technology. This guy's talking about time travels. Nobody
else has written the books that the details of this,

(01:25:21):
this guy must be a time travel So what I
did was because I believe in psychic compowerment. I said, hey, folks,
I'm not going to give you a yes and no answer.
Figure it out for yourself. A couple of years ago,
I went on George's show. I'm a regular guest on
the show, and said, by the way, George, I'm not
a time traveler. Okay, okay, I'm not a time travel
I was born in nineteen forty eight in this century. However,
future lives now that's a different ballgame, Okay, but right now,

(01:25:44):
no way, I'm not of time travel and I ended
the argument. Now that article was written ten years ago
when it came up on art Side. But the purpose
of that was to have people think, not to spoon
feed them. The last thing I want to do is
do what a lot of the media do and a
lot of other organizations do, is spoon feed people with
their shall we say, rather carefully designed mentality to try

(01:26:04):
to get a point across with their soundbites and their
unless we as brainwashing. I want people to think for themselves.
I don't want to spoon feed them. But I've made
that statement in public about two years ago, a year
and a half ago on Georgia Show. It's public records
are card on Coast to Coast. I am so that
is just on there as an older article, but it
still gets the point across. The people who don't know
what I said on the air recently, is that let

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them think a little bit. It wasn't just done too
big a cartoon out of it, but to have them
think a little bit used there cerebral matter in the
grade matter. If people did that more, I wouldn't be
worried about the brainwashing ads they see on TV and
the corporate lines of the corporate overlords and all the
other organizations that unfortunately take advantage of people's go ability.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
All right, Well, I certainly can agree about go ability
and how corporate systems and advertising agencies do things like that.
But I know we're kind of delving quite a bit
on the issue of time travel. Well, let's talk about
extraterrestrial visitations too. Okay, So do you have a picture
in your mind or in your research as to where
there has been extraterrestrial interaction? And is so, what kind

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of creatures are we talking about? The blonde Caucasians who
show up in ancient times? Are they from Zeta reticular?
What are we talking about? And what about the so
called gray aliens that we hear about?

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Now? Okay, well, first let's understand now when I talk
about we have to separate now the time travelers. I
have four different types of time travel, so we're going
to separate those for a moment. The time traveler, the
head of the time travel team is a Caucasian, and
people always ask about the ethnic and racial aspect. It's
simply if you send people with darker skin back in
time from three thousand and thirty one hundred pc AD

(01:27:36):
two let's say, two thousand BC in ancient Egypt, they
kill them the blondes with the blue eyes and the
blonde hair, and the Caucasians are worshiped as god. The
first time traveler was Tatos Taats from the year three
thousand and fifty give or take, who discovers time travel,
becomes the first time traveler and then has a team
set up. This is a government program now, and his

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colleagues are named gibb isis Osirius. And now you don't
have to be a student of Egyptology to realize that
each and every one of those Tatos would have been
Thought from ancient Egypt. By the way, he is also
called Tatos and Thought, and the Greek called it Hermes.
Those who are all Egyptian gods worships as Egyptian gods,
let's say, were all time travelers. Now, as far as
the ets are concerned, on a futuristic team. You will

(01:28:19):
have the zeta rearticular the grays. They can also be
little blues and little lights. They don't have to be great,
most of them are great. They can also have the
hybrids who are part genetic human and part extraterrestrial. They
become the supervisors if you will do the laboratory techniques
of the firm and examples and some of the other
sophisticated aspects of this. They also perform some of the

(01:28:39):
quantum medicine activities, which is quantum medicine is a technique
that's developed about a thousand years from now where if
a person clinically dies clinically crosses into spirit, if you
cast them within twenty four hours and their head wasn't
blown off, you can revive them. You can resuscitate the dead.
You can also regenerate lost learns on legs, etc. By
using quantum medicine. It deals with the very specific make

(01:29:00):
energy field, very complex mechanism which I've described in my
first time travel book called Time Travelers Mark Future. It's
very complex mechanism. The point is is that yes, there
are mostly gray. There are reptilians, by the way, but
you don't want to run into one of those. Why
because reptilians are first of all, they're nasty and they're cannibalistic.
They tend to eat their mistakes. You have very few
reports of reptilians because mostly they kill and eat people,

(01:29:22):
so you're not going to get a whole lot of reports.
But there are some. There are reptilians in the future
too that come back. They're not time travelers per se,
meaning that they're not agents on the government team. They're
usually people who are running away from the futuristic cops
because they are like criminal records, if you will, and
they don't have wings. They're off the drakeco types that
you see in the current century. But there are reptilions too.

(01:29:42):
But the majority of the ets that you'll see, at
least I have been reported by my patients, etc. And
the abductions, etc. Are the little gray the other ones
that do the actual physical abductions when they do abduct
taking the bone craft. Some of these case histories where
the people are brought down to a military base see
New Mexico and others. So now we have a government
conspiracy because there are people with Air Force uniforms running

(01:30:05):
around helping with the medical press, and doing some of
the interrogations in these big conference rooms. So now we
have a very specific correlation, shall we say, conspiracy aspect
with the involvement of the US government and the governments
all a over the world are involvements. Not just the
US government. We seem to have gotten the most technological advancements,
but most of your civilized countries around the world have

(01:30:26):
had some exposure with ets, and I suspect time travelers too.
I can't prove that part. I'm mostly done with America.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
So first, a few moments ago, you said the time
travelers coming back, they don't appear to us to be
the people have all the answers. They don't want to
be treated by us as gods, but they had no
problem with the Egyptians treating them as gods.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
They had no choice. You come back and you do
some technology, and you start helping them. Understand, you think
the Pyramid of Gesel would have been built by the
primitive Egyptians. And by the way, it wasn't built twenty
five hundred BC. It was began about ninety five hundred BC,
and the water erosion from the stinct that it couldn't
possibly be built during the pharaoh chepher and it has
to go back at least seven thousand BC when there

(01:31:05):
was water in the Sahara Desert. Roberts showed from Boston,
the geologists from Boston University and others have shown that
we're talking about the unification of Egypt. We're talking about
relatively primitive nomads or one hundred gatherers becoming farmers, if
you will, and let's say thirty five hundred pc four
thousand pace. You think in five hundred years you're going
to take a bunch of primitive barbaric basically able to

(01:31:29):
grow wheat or whatever they grew there, and you're going
to have them build the Pyramid of Giza, beautiful hieroglyphics,
And they think, which is an unbelievable structure for that time.
They say nothing of the fact that one hundred years
all the pyramids that were built out of any significance
were great, all the hieroglyphics are beautiful. One hundred years
later they were garbage. Why is that? Because when you're

(01:31:49):
being told by other people what to do, and those
mentors of yours, those teachers go by by which they
did either returning to the present in time, travels or
ET's going back to their home planets, whether it's a
to Particuli or or others. Then you have no longer
the advisors, and guess what, you regress back to where
you were before. After a while, all of a sudden
you degenerate because you can't copy the answers to the test.

(01:32:10):
And that's exactly what happened in Egyptian mentality, and that
it does not make any logical sense other the fact
that somebody else tutor them, and somebody else is responsible.
For example, we don't know how was the Pyramid of
Giza built. It wasn't one hundred thousand slaves over twenty years,
as the old old literature would say. First of all,
we've only found the equivalent of three thousand huts or

(01:32:30):
the remnants of those around the Pyramid of Giza. You're
talking about one hundred thousand slaves. You talking about a
quarter of a million people with their wives and security guards,
the all the people that serviced them for food, etc.
So what happened is that in my recent I discovered,
if you will, anti gravity flying cribs, and that raises
a lot of foreheads. I realized that and I got
pictures of them in the book I got and I
fill this depiction of them, and guess what. The only

(01:32:52):
people to use anti gravity technology in the construction of
the Negolis, and not just the Pyramid of Giza, but
this thing send these stone Engine England and other megalists
around the world Eastern Island, etc. Were the time travelers
not to eat teas because they couldn't bring all that
equipment back here from their planets. The time travels, of course,
had access to their own teleportation techniques, and they're on

(01:33:13):
the same planet, so it was a lot easier for
them to deal with anti gravity technology. That's how the
Pyramid of Giza was built, as well as all the
other megalists that are around it. We can't possibly explain.
Japan several years ago tried to build a Pyramid of
Giza the equivalent and failed using twenty at the time
the end of the twentieth century technology. What do we
learned from that?

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
I'll tell you what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
They're raising a lot of peripheral issues here.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
And in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
The Power cast with Gene Steinberg and David B. Edney,
and we're talking to doctor Bruce Goldberg, who was author
of Egypt and extraterrestrial and time traveler experiment. And what
I'm seeing, doctor Goldberg, is that you seem to have
a lot of certainty about all this stuff about there
from Zata reticula, but we haven't really proven that we've

(01:34:20):
ever been in touch with anybody from Zata reticular lie
or do you cite the Barney and Betty Hill case
because of the star map?

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
How do we know?

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
I didn't find way. I didn't cite that in the book,
but I loved that case because the amusing thing is
because from the Psychiatrich who did hypnotic re quession when
he was working with Betty Hill, especially when he gave
that saw map. In those days, astronomer did not know
that star system existed. It was about five years if
you remember the research, when they finally were able to
with telescopes and other research to actually corroborate that star system.

(01:34:48):
And that star system that she gave wasn't perfect, but
let me tell you something, it was close enough to
the government. It was a very very interesting depiction. But
again she didn't describe the grades in details. She didn't
talk about three to five feet tall. But you can't
go into any of that details she was focusing in
on those memories were very traumatic post traumatic stress disorder,
if you will. She was focusing on what she could remember,

(01:35:09):
and the majority of what she could remember was the
star system map. So to me, that's a very impressive case.
So is the Pleiadius depiction on the cave painting, which
is even more impressive because it was over twenty thousand
years ago in southern France by some oga oga sitting
there with his wife and his and you know the dinosaur,
you know, I mean, very interesting example of a star
system depiction that wasn't to be known for at least

(01:35:31):
twenty thousand years.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Maybe it was a time traveler. They're telling them what
to pain.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Well, you just supported by hypothesis.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Fine, well, on the same page absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
By the way, it's remember Francis Creek, the code developer
of DNA, you know Washington's Model nineteen fifty three or whatever. Well,
Francis Kreek is the origin or one of the co
author if you will, of directed pants bermia. You know
what that is? Directive pants bermia. For the benefit of
your listeners that may not be familiar with it, simply
says that doctor Crick, a Nobel laureate. By the way,

(01:36:01):
it simply states that the libdinin is very critical to
protein synthesis in our in our body system. You could
have all the prebiotic soup as he describes that existed,
say three billion years ago, you're not going to get
life created unless you haven't the lived in, which is
very rare on this planet. And he says the only
way life could have developed basically with seeding from either
extraterrestrials or some other entities from some of the planets

(01:36:23):
coming in here, and not just on meteorites, but actual seating.
Because his mentality was that if you take the pre
biotic soup that existed three billion years ago before there
was anything but single cell organisms, and you can put
all the combinations together, that would be like going to
a junk yard, taking a tornado and winding up in
a seven forty seven. He says the odds against that
were one to twenty six zeros to one. That's a

(01:36:46):
lot of odds about prebiotic soup forming carbon, hydrogen, oxygen
and nitrogen forming the double spiral helics DNA and all
the nucleic acids and the protein synthesis. They're very complex molecules.
If you study biochemisty, that's literally as far as as
close as you're going to get to sciences saying it possible.
So basically, doctor Crick, doctor Francis Krick, a Nobel laureate,

(01:37:09):
is saying ETS are here, have been here, case closed.
Author Horne, a Harvey archaeologist, also agrees. Doctor Brenda Fox
is a physiologist who also is associated with Ivy League
Universities and Chief, says that ETS gave us the eb virus,
herdbies and HIV. We have people who are very credible who.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Are sharing absolutely, and we have doctor Watson who just
resigned from his post because he said that black people
are not as smart as white people, also Nobel laureate. Yeah,
but those don't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
You can't equate a statement like that with doctor Krick's
statement about the director attempts permeia us apples and oranges
because les are racist mentality. One could be archie, bunkery
and carnate, and the other one is showing science. I'm
familiar with the production of nuclearic cancers and proteins. We
tried to do that in my genetics and bioel chemistry
lab in the sixties and someone Caneken State University couldn't

(01:37:58):
do it. My professor was a real pert genetics. He
couldn't do Under federal grants, he couldn't do it either.
That was forty years ago. Today, with all the technology,
all the super computers, and all the satellite fishes and
space stations, everything else we've got, we still can't create
life in the lab. We know how it's done, we
know the mechanics, how we know, we know the components.
We can't put it together. And this is we have
a lot of advanced technology. This isn't the bionic woman here,

(01:38:21):
but we've got a lot of advanced technology in medicine
and especially in biochemistry, and we can't create life that
supposedly just happened to happen three billion years ago. For
the heck of it, and the reducing the atmosphere of
our planet, which was hydrogen mostly which could not support life,
cohoincidentally became an oxidizing atmosphere with all the plants, etc.
Just enough to allow life to exist that was seeded.

(01:38:43):
And I'm going to be very definite about that. If
you look at the Cambrian explosion and you look at
the history of life ninety five percent of the species
have been eliminated from this planet from cosmic radiation and
from all kinds of sources that we're not really sure of,
and all of a sudden, the ones that survived. How
to enammos survive a dinosaur age? How did the dinosaurs
get extinct? Was it just some comet crashing into Mexico

(01:39:04):
one factor? But maybe there were time travels involved who
also use some of the genetic manipulations from the radiation
that would be involved to shall we say, affect the
genetics of those nice little rodents that were around and
eventually become us with a little bit of seating as example.
So you just can't go by the nice conventional you can,
but it's not logical, it's not accurate, it's not mathematically feasible.

(01:39:25):
There are way too many factors that could have easily
prevented us. And we should be nothing but slime because
three billion years ago the only thing that was on
this planet was slime and lawyers, you know, And now
we have human beings which should never have evolved. We
should have evolved in the last five hundred thousand years.
If you deal with a paleontologist, if you will about
our brain system or our brain stem. How would advanced

(01:39:45):
so much to the last five hundred thousand years with
ice ages. We've had four major ice ages, We've had
so many karameters, we've had pull shifts in this planet.
How the heck did we survive where we basically don't
have the capabilities of your lower animals. We don't have
the cloe us to climb three, We don't have the
long Schnell. We don't have the very advanced healing and
vision that birds do. For example, for vision, we don't

(01:40:06):
have the dogs, the wolves, if you will, or whatever
the predecessors were. We don't have any of their senses
to survive except our brain of thumb. That's what kept
us surround. But guess what, it's not enough, especially with
Paul shifts and all kinds of calamities and weather problems
and all kinds of other phenomena we should have been
think one hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Well, I'll say, well, were getting way farfield and we
don't have much time left. And I wanted to ask
you before we let you go, doctor Goldberg, where does
one get more information about your books and all the
other things you're working on.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
To go to www dot dr dot IDAs and David
RS and Robert B R U C E G O
L D B E r G dot com. And they
can also call my toll free number which is one
eight hundred comper ka r m A the number four
the letter U which is one eight hundred five two
seven six two four eight, which is good in the

(01:40:55):
US and Canada. Because of much I appreciate your interview.
If your listeners order my E two books in my office,
they also get a free CD which allow them to
guide back into their own past lives, because I feel
that every one of us today have had at least
one life in ancient Egypt, and I'll like them to
explore for relevance. Just read it back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Thank you for joining us, Doctor Bruce Goldberg on the
para cast.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
My pleasure. Thank you, Hi. This is a nig pope.
You're listening to the paracos.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
I just love it, David.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
When people are so sure themselves, the lower astral, the
middle astro, the foot astral, and they have everything as
a certainty in their lives, and they know what causes everything.
They know about the time travelers where they come from.
They know about the aliens and where they come from.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
That's a hard one for me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
He has no evidence of anything. When I hear proclamations
that we shouldn't have evolved, that people have some handle
on why humans are here, or that they shouldn't be here,
but we're here because is boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
There's a quote I want to say, but I can't
say it because you won't let me. But it's a
line from one of my favorite movies, Spinal Tap, and
it references the name of an album of Theirs. That's
two words. The second word is sandwich. Okay. That I
think explains it to a lot of people. I got
to say that, having looked over Bruce's website, having read
a big chunk of the book, that he was kind

(01:42:24):
enough to send us the PDF of his agent book.
You know, if you talk a mile a minute, you
can make anything sound real, but not when you're dealing
with two New York brus like myself in Eugene. I've
heard this spiel before. Unfortunately, I'm afraid to say we're
going to hear it again if we continue to do
the paracasts into the future. Bruce offered substantiation for nothing,

(01:42:46):
and man the mini he started attacking Bruce macabee as
a disinformation agent. That said, really honestly everything to me,
because to come out with that stuff, you know, oh,
he's never found an image that he thinks is real.
Excuse me, He's written a whole book about images he
has found to be compelling. I've spent time speaking to
doctor mccabee at the Gaithersburg X conference, and you couldn't

(01:43:09):
have a better proponent for critical thinking in the evaluation
of UFO cases. You have the current issue of UFO
Magazine where doctor mccabee has written an article about the skeptics,
and unfortunately he calls them skeptics. And I actually want
to say to doctor mcabe, well, no, no, call them debunkers.
But he puts down people like Philip Class and says, hey, look,

(01:43:30):
there are these cases that are clearly unexplained objects. Is
doctor mcabee going to say these are extraterrestrial? No, he's
too smart for that. He knows better. So to hear
Goldberg put down Mcabee the way he did and try
to make this some sort of a support for his argument.
I mean, come on, now, what we didn't have a

(01:43:51):
chance to get into. Was this book that he did
about this woman, Grace. The Search for Grace, The True
story of Murdering Reincarnation. Now here's an interesting little tidbit
for our listeners. I went and look this book up
on the web and on the Amazon page for this book,
there are a handful of reviews, and one of the
reviews is by a woman by the name of Christine H. Does.

(01:44:13):
And I'm going to read this for a minute. Christine
writes on her Amazon review, a two bullet review, She says,
I am a direct relation to Grace Loveless Does, and
I was offended by the book, as were many members
of our family, including her son Clifford, who is now
eighty years old. This book portrays Grace out to be efflusian.
She was not just an unhappily married woman. This book

(01:44:35):
has brought disgrace to our family and a lot of
heartache to Grace's son. Grace was a lovely person and
well liked by the Doe's family. Her mother, husband's son,
and relatives loved her and were horrified by her murder,
which is still unsolved today. Our family feels doctor Goldberg
is profiting money off of our family's tragedy. Now I
read this and I thought, okay, this is interesting that

(01:44:57):
this is one who's related to Grace, so it lists
her here as being a resident of Buffalo, New York.
God bless the Internet. I went on to switchboard dot com,
looked up Christine's number, called her, and spoke to her
about this book that doctor Goldberg wrote. Grace was very nice.
Lady spoke to me for about twenty minutes. In fact,
was very curious about the paracast overall, and confirmed to

(01:45:21):
me that the family was very hurt by some of
the stuff that was in this book. The family did
not feel that the book was real valid. And again,
this is a woman who's related to the person who's
the topic of this book that doctor Goldberg wrote. So
I think that's very telling in many ways. In doing
some other searching on the web, and I'm not going
to say this is definitive, but I think it needs

(01:45:43):
to be mentioned. I did find a reference online to
the notion that doctor Goldberg when he says he left dentistry,
maybe he had to leave dentistry. Maybe there were some
issues with the way he was practicing medicine. Again, I'm
not trying to say this is definitive, because on the
Paracast we try to keep away from making definitive statements,

(01:46:06):
but one can find these things. Honestly, I have a
hard time with the idea that somebody is practicing dentistry,
and we know that dentistry is a very profitable endeavor.
That's why I'm going overseas to have my dental work
done gene. But and again, you know, I'm sure they're
going to be listeners. They're going to now take us
a task for bringing these things up. After we had
Bruce Goldberg on the show and we didn't make him

(01:46:29):
address these issues, I think we had enough things that
we questioned him about. I think he's fellibusters.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
I think he ask him a question and he throws
out twenty seven thousand different things that do not necessarily
have any relationship to this topic at hand, And if
you try to this is typical of certain guests we've
had on in recent months who've done the very same thing,
and when you try to pin them down on their deception,

(01:46:55):
very squishy, they just move on to another subject, which
kind of get.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Out from under it and go to something else. You know,
talking a mile a minute has never impressed me. Man,
I know what that's about. You know, I've seen the
three card monthy on the streets of New York, as
I'm sure you have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
I've also gone to the car dealer and I talked
to the fast talking gentleman from New York and he
tries to sell me not the car that I came
in to buy, but the one that cost five thousand
dollars more because of his commission, he needs to pay
his gambling debts that month. And this guy sounded to
me like the car salesman. He's selling product, the product

(01:47:31):
being books about reincarnation, books about time travelers. And when
you try to pin him down, everything becomes incoherent.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Well, maybe he's not traveling through this dimension.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
It's another dimension, and that dimension is and if he
does some damage because of the time travel paradox, they
will fix it because they have fixer uppers in the
thirty fifth century whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
On his page, where the name of the page is
am I a time traveler? There is his summation and
I and that in this page he basically reveals this
all to be nonsense. And I'll tell you why, because
the very final paragraph is the answer to the question
am I a time traveler? I can only say that
a true chrononaut takes an oath never to reveal that

(01:48:15):
fact unless it is an emergency to do so. To
do so would be a breach of what is known
as timeline international security laws that exist in the future.
Is that like a prime directive timeline international security laws? Bruce,
this is a clear illogical statement. What you have done

(01:48:36):
here is basically just trip up all of your logic.
You claim to have encounters and commune open ongoing communications
with people who have identified themselves as time travelers. Well, gee,
based on what you said here, they have taken an
oath not to reveal to you that they're a time traveler.
So how do you then know that they are a

(01:48:57):
time traveler? You're saying here that it would be a
break reach of international timeline security laws. That's nonsensical, man,
Why if there was such a law like that, why
would they give all this information reveal everything to some
primitive guy from the twenty first century. I think the
implication that we're supposed to read into this is that

(01:49:19):
he's stating this not because he was told this, but
because he's a time traveler. Even though he says that
he said on art Build that he was, And of
course we always know that when people say things on
Toast to toast that they must be true. The logical
fallacies of this person's stories are so vast as to

(01:49:41):
make all of this absolutely silly. Man, this is just
ridiculous stuff. To mix metaphors the way that Bruce was
doing it, you know, Oh, it's we have different types
of time travelers. We have alien time travelers, we have
human time travelers, we have the hybrid time travelers. This
guy is doing what I think Jim Sparks is doing.

(01:50:03):
Let's just cherry pick from all the different mythologies and
mix it all up in a bowl and stick it
in the oven and see what comes out. We'll have
a new mythology that will basically could deal with any contingency.
We'll deal with any objection, and this will be what
I am now going to base all of these many

(01:50:23):
books I have written, because hey, there are a whole
variety of books that Bruce has written down to even
how to lose weight. So you've got time travelers lose
weight permanently and naturally, astral voyages, past lives, future lives,
self hypnosis, you've got spirit guide contact through hypnosis. You've

(01:50:46):
got soul healing. Oh, you've got look younger, live longer.
We could both use that one probably, But speak for yourself,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
I think at this point, I just can't take it anymore.
I am mad as hell, and I can't take it
any longer. Adas hollow and I'm not gonna take this anymore.
But you've got to get mad. You've got to say
all I'm a human being, goddamn it, my life has value.
I'll tell you what we can do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
We can call on the forces of logic to present
themselves again next week on the Parrocast.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
The Powercast with Jean Steinberg and David Pietny, is a
production of Making the Impossible Incorporated. Join us next week
for a new adventure in the Para Cast.

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