Historical Occult Mysteries: Walter Bosley

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're in the Power Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio,
and now here's Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You know, over the years on the Para Cast, we've
used Skype, we've used regular telephones, we've used Zoom in
recent months after Skype gave up the ghost and in
each case somebody somewhere has an issue and.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's never explained why.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Less it's the men in Black doing it, Walter Bosley,
what do you think?

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I think it's the Men in Black. It's the things
we talk about, and so they mess with us because
they're they're afraid we're going to get to the too
close to the truth. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I always say, if you're going to do that, you
draw attention to yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Nonetheless, we figured it out, yes, And now, of course
Walter's in a secret location inside a cave near Mount Shasta.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Something like that that gets closed. Maybe it's the Bronzon
Cave in North Hollywood, right where they filmed Batman, the
TV series.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh Good Heavens.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
But that's actually just a tunnel, right, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, if Batman was a bat cave.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, but the Bronzon Cave, I think it's just actually
just a tunnel, right, can't you go like all the
way through it or something.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, that's correct, you're right. Yeah. Roger Corman shot a
lot of his movies around Bronson Cave as well.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Classic I went up and shot my little silent movie
up in Cahone Pass, not by Vesquez Rocks where Star Trek,
you know, the Gorn episode and stuff was shot. But
what's called the Mormon Rocks, which a lot of old
Westerns and other things were shot at.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, it's amazing. You look at a lot of these
old science fiction West, cheap Westerns things like that, and
you know, you keep a list of all the familiar landmarks.
I just used them over and over and over again.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Oh yeah, it's cool, and what's fun is recognizing them,
you know. But I saw I saw William Shatner went
back up to Vasquez Rocks with well, I don't know
if it was the original actor, of course, but he

(03:00):
did those funny he did those funny phone ads or
something with the Gorn I think about ten years ago
or something where they're sitting in the living room watching
TV together.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I miss that one.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's looking up Shatner and Gorn commercial. It's I
think they did a couple of them. Those are good.
One of my favorite ads for a throwback, though, was
I think it was Lebron James about maybe my gosh,
it might have been fifteen years ago. Now. It was
for like Old Spice or something. But it keeps showing

(03:37):
him in different scenarios from old TV shows and movies,
and it cuts to this one shot. It's nighttime. It's
that bridge over the Harbor area there in Miami, and
it's a big police scene and Lebron's there and he's
looking at the scene like a detective and he makes

(03:58):
some comment he asked his partner or something, and the
camera moves over and it's it's Don Johnson in his
Sonny Crockett garb and being Sonny Crockett again. And I
remember that commercial got so many fans excited that there
was talk for a while about Don Johnson, you know,
bringing Miami Weiss back, but then they ended up doing

(04:19):
the Michael Mann movie, and I think that might have
might have killed that, but oh well.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
It's amazing how many remake movies like that would just
go and kill a franchise.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, yes, exactly exactly, although I still think that, you know,
if they found a way to bring back original Star
Trek the right way there there would still be hope,
you know. But Star Trek's an example of something that
they've just beat the dead horse so much that it's
almost unrecognizable and has been unrecognizable for quite a while.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Really to recapture that lightning into the bo And remember,
I mean the original Star Trek series was not that
popular to begin with, That's true. It wasn't until it Yeah,
it wasn't until it came back in the reruns in
the seventies then that it took off.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
So yeah, Dark Shadows was a bigger hit than Star
Trek at the time that Star Trek was first running.
When you think about it, that's kind of interesting. You know.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
I loved Dark Shadows.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh me too. I'm a huge fan. I watched back
in twenty eighteen. I did the marathon. I watched all
twelve hundred and some episodes. I mean, I was just, oh,
it's wonderful. Dark Shadows is you know how it is.
It's one of those you either you either get it
or it doesn't do anything for you. And it you know,
I remember when I was a kid, you know, my babysitters.

(05:54):
That's how young I was when it was on. You know,
our various babysitters would watch it and so used to
scare the hell out of me. I was, like, what,
five six years old. It didn't disappoint when I rewatched
it many decades later, and I just kind of really
got into it. And yeah, it was a bigger hit

(06:15):
at the time than original Star Trek was obviously.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
That brings it back to our community, and what we
usually talk about here and on our shows is that
there was a season that was not very popular with
the fans at the time, which I think was awesome.
They were going in a cool direction. But it made
me realize, you know too, when you watch that show,
the guys who were writing Dark Shadows, they were into

(06:43):
all this stuff we're into because there was some cool
lore that is the kind of stuff guys like us
talk about and write books about. That those guys writing
Dark Shadows somebody, a couple of them were totally into it.
But the season I'm talking about that wasn't popular or
was late in the series, and the antagonist were what's

(07:04):
called the Leviathans. It was represented by this altar and
these structures that were very like South American megalithic in
their design and style. You know, somebody was into this
megalithic you know, civilization mysteries kind of thing on that show,
because you know when you watch that one season, that arc,

(07:26):
that story arc, you can totally see that. Not to
mention you know, the using the e ching for time
travel and and you know lots of time travel represented.
But they had one character who goes on a business
trip to South America and his plane crashes in the jungle.

(07:46):
He had that said, he's off the show, and I
always felt like they missed the boat. They should have
had him re emerged during the Leviathan arc because it
would have been perfect and they could have had him
spending his time, you know, in the Lost City of
Z all that time. And it's too bad that the
show was winding down because the Riders of that show,

(08:07):
like I said, they were into this stuff we're into
I think they might have gone in some interesting directions.
But alas the show went off eleven years before Indiana Jones,
you know, with Raiders of the Lost Art came out
made all this kind of stuff popular again. You know,
they just didn't think back then, had they had the
foresight or had the timing, you know, had Indiana Jones

(08:30):
come out before that, they probably would have taken advantage
of themes like that and the show would have continued.
But that's more inside Baseball and in the weeds golf
about Dark Shadows than you ever wanted to discuss.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
They did have a movie, by the way.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, they had two movies. The first one is a
good Dark Shadows movie. The second one is a kind
of a what the heck? I again talk about missing
the boat. You know, we talk about Star Trek and
the original cast being like in a bottle. There was
a period of I want to easily two solid years.
I want to say that they had Lightning in a

(09:09):
bottle with this little group of characters, which was Barnabas, Quentin, Julia,
the psychiatrist, Oh my gosh, the guy who played kind
of the van helsing mad scientist, Professor Stokes. They were
the ones doing time travel with the e Ching and
they sent Barnabas back in time to save one of

(09:29):
the kids whose spirit was trapped in the eighteen nineties.
And the dynamic and the charisma, that dynamic between Barnabas
and Quentin, that was every bit as magical as what
we saw in the original series, original cast of Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
We've got Walter, We've got Gene, We've got tim You're
in the purakast.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
This is Michah Hanks of the Gray Leanterport, and you're
listening to the para cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
This may be more Dark Shadows trivia than you ever
had a right to know. The thing that when it
comes back to Star Trek, though, in terms of Dark Shadows,
is not something anyone, I guess, is ever going to
want to bring back.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Although I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
With Star Trek it's called be a dead horse and
then beat the dead horse with the dead horse. I
still like some of the stuff like Star Trek. Strange
New Worlds is the prequel series posited on the theory
that if the original pilot for Star Trek with Jeffrey
Hunter as Captain Pike had made it to series. Yeah,

(10:57):
this might have been what happened before Captain Kirk over.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I think that's a pretty decent series. As far as
Spock's go, that is impossible. I mean R Nimoy had
this attitude as Spock that none of the people who
have played him since could duplicate. Certainly not Zachary Quinto,
which basically he had played a villain on Heroes and

(11:24):
you had this pent up hat or violence. You know,
we see in his Spock face. Ethon pack is better
Ethan pack by We's grandson of Gregory Peck. I think
he makes a pretty decent Spock, but he cannot remotely
capture the attitude.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Right why had And here's the thing. You cannot replicate
or come close to Nimoy or Shatner. And Carl Urban
has done the best that I've seen as far as
coming close to at least deforce Kelly's. But he's still
he's still not He's still not divorce Kelly, you know.

(12:06):
And it's right, you know, lightning in a bottle say
it a thousand times. That's those three guys. What can
you say? You know they they did it. That's why
it worked, and that's why you know, Star Trek is
known between its plots and that charisma with the actors,
it attained almost Shakespearean levels in you know it the

(12:32):
way it the way it reached out and communicated with
an audience. You know, certainly it was science fiction that
dealt with their stories and their plots and stuff. It
would have worked in any genre because it was literary,
you know it. Even though there was science fiction by

(12:55):
definition from in a lot of the episodes. Still the
human drama would have worked in any category, whether it
was a Western or science fiction or horror. And you
know that's what made you know it so appealing is that,
you know, the human drama level. Drama is drama is drama,

(13:18):
you know essentially, and uh, you know, occasionally it the
subtext was strong, you know, Subtext is is key to everything.
You know, look at what comes to my mind with
when I think of subtext. Examples Vertigo. You know Vertigo,

(13:39):
the subtext and that is pretty strong when you see it.
And you know how subtext works, guys. You know, once
you see it in something, you can't unsee it. Apocalypse now,
to me, is a masterpiece of subtext. So you know,
Star Trek would would the original would capture that, and yeah,

(14:02):
the Strange New World has that appeal to fans of
the original series. Moments of Voyager, certain episodes of Voyager
I think captured it.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, well, something looked for example, something for example like
Deep Space nine and that strange different vibe start.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Also, the other one that had an interesting vibe was
Star Trek Next Generation because that crew formed a really
good association.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah they did. I was not. I was you know
when it naturally when it first came out, you know,
arms folded across the chest. No it's not Star Trek now,
you know, and it grows on you, you know when it
and it it really grows on you by the fact
that they kept it up and it didn't go away.
So it's like, Okay, you're kind of forced in the

(15:07):
Star Trek world to deal with these people, and I didn't.
I'll be honest. I didn't appreciate Star Trek the Next
Generation until they started appearing in the movies. And because
I'm very much a cinematic fan, it's like, okay, there,
I was sitting in a theater. It's on the big screen,
and they're good actors. I mean, my gosh. So that's

(15:31):
what kind of won me over to the degree that
I appreciate Next Generation was seeing in the movies that
you know, that's the kind of that's what did it
for me, even though I still hate how they killed
Kirk that and you know, there's a story behind that
that who was it who was the one of the

(15:53):
producers of Next Generation has the reputation for always he
hated Kirk. That's why he did. He created, uh, created
Picard the way he did. He wanted the anti Kirk
and so it was, oh, we got to give Kirk
this this wimpy but demise and but they but in

(16:19):
that film they kind of give you both. Right in
the one dimension, he's bravely down there on the deck
that's that's damaged, and he's saving lives and he the
big dramatic the Nexus gets him and takes him into space.
And then of course at the end he you know,
oh it was fun and you know, just breathes his last.

(16:41):
So you get you get a death for both the
fans and the haters, right.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, possibly also they wanted to get the image of
the original crew out of that series. In terms of
Star Trek movies other than the first one that Robert Weisterrecht, Yeah,
Wrath of khn Yes, Search for Spock, Voyage Home mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I thought those were really well done.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Under the one final Frontier that's the one Shatner directed.
They apparently short changed him on the budget.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yes, they did.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So they couldn't really do the film he wanted, like
he had an elaborate idea for the encounter with the
alien the being pretended to be God, but ended up
Kirk doing all of it. But that's because they wouldn't
give him budget to do it the way he wanted.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, and I believe that movie is unfairly bashed, but
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yes, I think so too. Otherwise pretty good and
then of course with Wrath of Khan anyway, I thought
that was well done. Search for Spock had one of
the more interesting Klingons, played by Doc Brown himself.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Christopher Lawyer.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yep, he has been.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Perfect letter perfect at that.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Oh yeah, he nailed it, he he he he uh.
He understood the assignment, as they say, and that that
puts him up there with with John Colicos and Michael
and Sara as far as great Klingons, you know, because
in the series Colicos and then Sara, I think, really,

(18:30):
I think they were the the classic Klingons. And for
those who don't know who John Colicos was, he also
played Boltar in the original Battlestar Galactica series and was
a staple in detective shows and said the guy was
one of those really solidly good actors that never really

(18:50):
got to shine in a major lead. You know, but.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
He wasn't as lucky as tight as well of her
for good right tyas Welliver was in twelve thousand shows.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, he's just a supporting guy a face you go,
oh yeah, that guy, that guy. And then Bosh comes out,
which I love that show. My sister turned me onto
that just a couple of years ago, and I said,
oh no, I've never watched it, and I kind of
binged the whole series because it was just so so
engaging and Welliver reminds me very much of a friend

(19:32):
of mine who I went to Iraq in Afghanistan with
on my old job and such, so you know, I
was kind of engaged in watching it.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I want to say one more thing about Bosh in
our next year before we go on with Walter Bosley.
Jean Steinberg, Tim Swartz, you're in the perkest.

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Speaker 3 (20:21):
So Walter, before we go on with Bosh, one.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Of the things that made the series so good and
actually fairly comfortable to the novels is that the creator,
Michael Connolly, was one of.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
The executive producers.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
He had a piece of the action and he worked
with the selection of the actors. It makes a difference,
for example, Reacher. The creators of Reacher work on the
show Lincoln Lawyer, the TV series on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
SATs again, Michael.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Connolly, I like that show.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Actually, in the novels and the Lincoln Lawyer work together sometimes,
but they can't do it now because Bosh is Amazon
Prime and Lincoln Lawyer is Netflix.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yes, yes, okay, but that's interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Showby is my friend.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
You were going to say something else. Yeah, we can
do twelve shows on this. I know this being the
parent cast, the old standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Let's be paranormal now.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yes, someone who has been hanging around intelligence doing the
sort of stuff that you did. What got you involved
in this other world?

Speaker 4 (21:44):
The paranormal stuff and the weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yes, my middle name is weird.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Let me clarify something. It was being into the paranormal
and UFOs and other odd things that got me into
the national security spook world. See the other way around.
I had been fascinated with that stuff from childhood, and
I had had my experience which I've written about and

(22:13):
talked about ad nauseam, where I woke up one morning
everything was different. And then that was the beginning of,
you know, pretty much what I call the rest of
my life of weird, strange experiences. But it was after
it was a couple of years after that, a few
years after that that my mentor kind of started working

(22:37):
me towards going to work for Uncle Sam, and his
mentoring started with conversations about the paranormal and UFOs and things,
and basically his pitch to me one day was, Hey,
if you want to learn more about that stuff and
what's behind it, you know, you might want to consider

(22:58):
working in the intelligence community. And you know, to me
at that time, you know, of course I was a
young Bond fan and you know, stuff like that. So
I was like, oh really, And then that's that was
we're talking the mid eighties, and that was when I
personally began to learn about the US government connection to

(23:23):
all the weird stuff. So it was really the weird
stuff in my fascination with it and my occasional experience
with it that led to the career, not the other
way around. And you know, I've always found that that
interesting that it worked that way.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But in the end, with all the intelligence assumptions about
UFOs and such, any of that come clear to you
on the other side.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, my time in the Air Force in particulars that's
why I came to where I've been at for years
that ninety percent of what people are seeing legitimate UFO reports,
when people are actually seeing something that is not an

(24:15):
airplane that's truly unidentified. That's why I say ninety percent
of it is human technology that's either you know, classified
in the aerospace community or it's classified government stuff. You know,
because what I saw and learned while in the air
I had to deal with Air Force technology as an

(24:36):
OSI agent because of when you do counter espionage operations,
you're dealing with what's called passage material, Okay, and that's
gonna be when you're dealing with it in the Air Force.
It's going to be Air Force technical info, it's going
to be aerospace engineering stuff, and so, you know, just

(25:03):
hundreds thousands of pages of that stuff, you know, came
across my desk, and and anybody else who who did
what I did. We were seeing that stuff every day.
And so you're you're read in, you're cleared, you know,
at a pretty high level, cause you're gonna see the
the tesla level stuff, so to speak. And uh, you're

(25:28):
you're gonna see stuff that years before the public you know,
gets an inkling that the Air Force has it. And
now it's not classified for me to say, we we
do the you know, the US Air Force, US military
government does double agent you know operations that that in
itself is not classified. I just can't talk specifics of

(25:52):
this technology and I can't talk specifics of operations. So
that was one of the reasons why I got exposed
to some pretty amazing stuff. The other reason was, before
I started doing that, I was a counterintelligence agent that
you know, would basically be protecting Air Force technology. So

(26:17):
I was briefing our various you know, rocket design and
aircraft design and spacecraft design, you know, divisions in the
Air Force and the the civilian contractors designing this stuff
for them. So I would have to be in their spaces.
I would have to be aware of what they were

(26:39):
doing in order to help them protect these things. And then,
of course, you know, God forbid, when a potential spy
or leak or problem you know, arises, you have to
know what's you know, they have to be able to
tell you what's what's been compromised. You've got to be
cleared for that. And so that holy experience. Over the

(27:01):
course of the years that I was on active duty
doing that work, I saw a lot of cool stuff
that I still can't talk about, and that basically informed
my opinion is to what I think people are seeing. Now,
remember I've said this before, ninety percent I think is
human classified technology. That still leaves ten percent of legitimate

(27:24):
UFO sightings are not in the human category. Okay, in
my opinion, that's still Think about it. If there's five
thousand UFO sightings reported in a given month, legitimate ones,
well ten percent of that is five hundred, Okay, So
those five hundred cases extraterrestrials could explain a percentage of

(27:48):
those interdimensionals another and on and so forth. So when
people hear me say ninety percent, they get all, you know,
been out of shape sometimes, but I'm like, no, you're
missing the point because it only takes one from another
planet to prove, well, they're coming from another planet. It
only takes one to be interdimensional to prove the interdimensional hypothesis,

(28:09):
which means many more have come that way. So it
didn't it didn't kill my belief that in other worldly things.
It just fine tuned my ability to look at it
and you know, analyze what we're saying. I personally find
it absolutely hilarious and vindicating that we know that finally

(28:32):
they came out and the tic TAC was our technology.
That my I was one of those handful of people
in twenty seventeen when this was being talked about, who
was saying publicly, folks, this is our technology. People were
getting angry at me. I mean, people in the community
were getting pissed off at me and a few others
for saying that. And I think it's totally hilarious that

(28:55):
now we know, you know, of course it was our technology,
and I just wish people would, you know, chill out
when those of us who might have an insight on
this are trying to tell them something, because that was
presented as something mysterious and spooky by people who are
trying to control the narrative, who actually have come in

(29:15):
now and just taken over the narrative, you know, since
twenty seventeen, and given us a parade of alleged witnesses
of this so that all government guys. You know, It's
funny is before twenty seventeen, if you were a government guy,
you had to explain yourself you weren't trusted. And then
you know, Lou and TTSA come along, and now all

(29:37):
of a sudden, these people you know, well, you've got
to be one of those guys or they won't listen
to you. And the irony is those guys were feeding
a line of narrative because they want to control this discussion.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Walker, Geene tim more discussion.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
You're in the bery gust opeinding.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
You're in the.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Para cast when you never know what's going to happen next.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So I'm looking at this here of what you're saying,
Lou Elizondo. I read his book, and of course they
did a few things to push that book, like redacted
paragraphs for names.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, why would you do that? Well, because you want
to sell books.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Look, he's accessing secret information that he can't reveal the truth.
Then he talks about Roswell and four dead aliens, and
there's no authority for that, right, even the people who
would recommend Roswell, like Kevin d. Randall, he doesn't say
four bodies.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
He said that. Some people say there were.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Bodies, but he couldn't nail it down to anything that
anybody can confirm.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
He puts out a lot of that stuff at the
beginning of the book.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
He's doing remote viewing, and I think he was writing
a book and he did well. It was number one
on the New York Times bestseller list for one week.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Probably made good money. Sure, and he's still considered an expert.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
But they still continue to dispute what he actually did
for the Pentagon project.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
The other guy that's interesting is David Grush. Yes, I
could tell you about all the secret stuff in a skiff. Okay, fine, Yeah,
he's he's gone.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
We don't hear of him anymore.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Right. Between Alessandro and Grush, Alessander was part of the
narrative spinners. Grush I think was more of a used voice.
I think Grush started out, you know more sincere in

(32:03):
what and how he presented, Whereas I've always felt Elizondo,
and I said this in twenty seventeen, I've been saying it.
I'll say it again. Elizondo, you know, retired from the
military duty on Friday, and Monday morning, he reported for
duty as a contractor. That's my opinion, because that's how
that works in that world. I know that world intimately,

(32:25):
and that's how it works with a lot of the
military people when they become intelligence community contractors, retire on Friday,
report as a contractor on Monday. I mean, it's literally
no exaggeration, and everything he's done publicly, you know, since

(32:46):
twenty seventeen, totally from my perspective knowing about that world,
has the earmarks of having been still a contractor in
the intelligence community. That was the first impression I got,
and that's the impression I still have. So you know
that that's where I'm at with him, and you know,

(33:08):
and I've I've also said that if his job was
to get into the UFO narrative, the UFO community, UFO conversation,
to steer the narrative in a certain way, that his
marching orders were he's protecting the technology, he's protecting the
national security technology and so forth. Then you know he's

(33:31):
being a good soldier. You know, he's he's doing his
job and you know from his perspective that he's doing
the right thing. But that's why I, you know, tried
to tell people, you know, talking the community, Hey, folks,
just just be wary of this, you know, just be

(33:53):
wary of all these agency You know, when I heard that,
when I saw like the ttsa thing, when I saw
Green was one of them, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah,
this is an operation. And there were others. I wasn't alone.
As soon as they saw Kit Green, some of them
as soon as they saw how put off, you know,
they're like, yeah, operation. And but initially it was rejected

(34:14):
because it was so exciting, just like when Grush first
came out. You know, it was so exciting to hear
what he said. But then he didn't deliver. He couldn't deliver,
just like Elizondo has never delivered. And so but but
I think their mission may be accomplished in that Look
what it's done to the UFO community. It has set

(34:37):
it has set everything back. So that Bob Lazaar you know,
is taken seriously when he shouldn't be to the extent
that he is. And you know, there's a whole bunch
of new folks in the community who obviously they need
to catch up. It's as if they've they've gone back

(35:00):
farther than well, no, that's just it. They're going back
farther uh in the lore to things that have since
been kind of debunked, you know, you know, like Lazarre,
Stan Freeman and others had had final you know, had
long ago pointed out that, ah, this guy's credibility is sketchy.

(35:24):
You know, the whole thing about Roswell. You know why
Kevin Randall says, well, you know, there's rumors that there
were bodies, but you can't pinpoint it. You know, look
how many people still insist that Roswell was et there
were a body And you ask them where are you
getting this from? And they go, well, nurse friend and
this guy, and it's like they were they were debunked

(35:45):
or what have you. That's just the word that's coming
to mind years ago. But they don't want to hear that.
And that's what I think this twenty seventeen wave was
all about to just keep certain things in the narrative.
Look at the Secret Space Program discussion. Now, I was

(36:06):
brought in on that in twenty fifteen. I was a
speaker at the twenty fifteen conference. But you had people
like paulavile Paulavilett, Katherine Austin Fitz, Joseph Ferrell, and Mark
McCandlish and others, even Richard Dolan, who were making headway

(36:28):
in this investigation into Hey, we think there's classified space program,
a secret space program, and they were doing down to Earth,
real world type of research, and they were getting too
close to the truth. So lo and behold. By twenty fifteen,
we had Corey Good being shoved down our throats. It was.

(36:51):
They could have talked to everybody who was part of
the legitimate SSP discussion on you know, on the various
radio shows and stuff like that, but no, we kept
getting a constant diet of the Corey Good nonsense, which
has since been revealed by his own admission to be

(37:11):
fiction and a big lie. You know, all the terror
that that guy caused in the community with his frivolous lawsuits,
each one was thrown out to just admit that it
was all just fiction and a lie. Well, people like that.
But what I see there is the intelligence community used that.

(37:34):
They used him what we call unwittingly. Okay, because that
jerk never would have been someone that they would want
to work with directly. But when you see an opportunity,
and your job as an intelligence officer is to skew
a narrative because there's a group of people that are
too close to the truth, and you need to get

(37:55):
the public's eye off of that truth. You need to
derail the legitimate search. So what you do is you
reach out and you use your contacts and your influences
to get the spotlight put over to the guy who's
full of nonsense. And I have thought for years and
I still stand by that. I think. Believe me, if
you don't think any of the big shows you know,

(38:17):
and this is no slight against them, Coast to coast,
Jimmy Church, any of them you name, If they don't
think that there's intelligence community and national security community spooks
friends with some of their producers unwittingly and having influence,
they're fooling themselves. How it works is you know, I've
got a contact, say as a producer at a big

(38:39):
one of the radio shows right that I named, and
I want Corey Good to be focused on. Well, what
I do is I use my influence on that host.
I say, hey, you know this Corey Good guy's the
real deal. You need to have him on. Well, of
course these hosts are going to get excited about that. Hey,
my intel source tells me that Corey Good's the guy.
So they start giving you a constant diet of this

(39:01):
nonsense because their contact, and what they don't realize is
their intel spook world contact, is manipulating the narrative because
they don't want you to have the legitimate researchers and
voices on. They want you to have what they want
you to have on, which is going to steer people
off on a crazy tangent and not the truth. And

(39:24):
I think I think that's exactly what happened to the
Secret Space Program narrative. And I think that's what they've
been doing with Elizondo and Grush and all of them
since twenty seventeen. And I'm not the only guy saying this.
You know, I was one of the first, but I'm

(39:45):
not the only one.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
More secret stuff or non secret stuff from Walter Jean
Sam You're in the perrocast.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
This is Jerome Clark.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Lass of ufor or Cyclopedi and other books.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
You're listening to the paracast.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
So Walter Bosley back to the secret space program. Is
there a real sacred space program other like launching spy
satellites or something.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Oh? I think there's been a real man classified space
program since since the late fifties. Remember NASA was stood
up in October nineteen fifty eight. But that doesn't mean
that the Air Force, who had been developing everything NASA
took over. Okay, when you watch the right stuff, the
movie or the TV series that they did on Disney Plus,

(40:50):
you know the Mercury capsule, the Silver space you know
the real Mercury program that was all originated pursuit in
design for the US Air Force program. My dad was
in an Aerospace Medicine Division unit at George Air Force Base,
and he and the guys in his unit were part

(41:12):
of the ground testing for those Mercury space suits. Okay,
I write about what my dad did in my book
Shimmering Light. Just because NASA was stood up and the
public was told, oh, our space program's being handed over
to this new agency, that doesn't mean that the Air
Force stopped that. The military stopped, it just went classified.

(41:32):
Now what I say is the technology of it was
parallel to what you were seeing NASA do for many years.
I think probably the point at which the secret, the
classified program that the military was running diverged and pulled
ahead of what we saw NASA doing was likely in

(41:53):
the seventies, late seventies, early eighties. The public was fed
the Shuttle program, but I think the classified military program
was the one that carried it forward. For instance, I
don't think that Apollo seventeen was really the last time
we put people on the Moon. I think we you know,

(42:14):
kept doing it, or at least did it a few
more times. And so yeah, I think that there's a
classified man space program. But here's the thing. Since Trump
creator or stood up the Space Force, anything that we
were doing, that the military was doing classified, I would say,

(42:37):
all that history is probably now going to be folded
into the Space Force, classified, you know, whatever you want
to call it, not history because Space Force is new,
but you know, the Space Force is likely the beneficiary
of whatever secret stuff was going on up until it

(43:00):
stood up. So if you're in Space Force, and I'll
tell you, I envy OSI agents right now. Because the
Air Force OSI, which I was an agent for, they
are the official investigative agency for the United States Space Force.
So there's OSI agents that get to go into space
as agents, and I just I'm so envious of that.

(43:21):
Is that is so cool? I love that. But here's
the thing. Anything that was being done secretly in space
by military astronauts so to speak, Space Force is the
logical beneficiary of that. And of course they're doing classified things,
and I I mean beyond just you know, like you said,
beyond satellites and you know, sensitive satellites and stuff. We're

(43:45):
talking you know, yeah, exploration because you know, we're going
to want to seriously get to Mars. I personally have said,
and I still stand by that, it wouldn't surprise me
if we've already attempted and succeeded at putting boots on Mars. Now,

(44:06):
does that mean we have a big advanced base and
a you know, hundreds of No, I'm just saying, you know,
similar to our Apollo missions, you know, landing, see if
it works, See if we can get them there and
bring them back. I think we've done that at least
once to Mars. I also think that there's more, Like

(44:29):
I said before, there's more activity going on on the Moon.
But again that's a whole other discussion about what and
who is on the Moon. Because the Moon is also
a natural staging place for extraterrestrial or interdimensional, but extraterrestrial civilizations.
Once they arrive here with an intention to come to Earth,

(44:51):
it's logical to use the Moon as kind of a
you know, your your base camp, so to speak. Right, So,
you know, again that's a whole other discussion, But yes,
I do think there there is a classified man space
program that's doing more than just fiddling with satellites.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Well, a lot of people have forgotten that the original
space program, before it got folded into NASA, they were
working on rocket planes like the X fifteen. That was
the direction that they were wanting to go. But then
NASA chose the you know, astronauts in a tin can

(45:33):
way of getting around, and everyone thinks, oh, well, then
the rocket planes were abandoned until you know, the the
somewhat space shuttle you know, came about. But I mean,
I think, and there's been some pretty good evidence that
that development continued and probably was an integral part of

(45:58):
that of the secret space program.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Oh sure, yeah, the things they were doing, you know,
I'm sure that the Shuttle was taking personnel up there.
This is another thing that it cracks me up when
I get into it with people like listening. People come
back and they go, there's no way we were putting
people in space secretly because everybody would have known about that,

(46:23):
and they use telemetry and stuff like that, and I
tell them, I respond with, well, you know. They say, well,
where were they launching from? And I say, well, one
of the places could have been Vandenberg and they say no, no,
everybody knows when there's a launch, and go, yeah, you
know when there's a launch, but you're not briefed in
on what's inside that rocket. And then they'll come back with, well,

(46:44):
my uncle Steve was a Security Forces Master sergeant there
at Vandenberg And he says, well, I'm sorry, but no
offense to Master Sergeant Uncle Steve. But just because you're
a Security Forces troop guarding the launch pad, you are
not briefed in on what the payload is. Sorry. Even

(47:04):
the team that puts the assembles the rocket and puts
it up on the thing, they are not necessarily they're
not going to be briefed in on what's in the payload.
The payload, you know, could be it could be a
self contained pod that's loaded onto that rocket shortly before launch,
and you know, it's classified. The only people who know

(47:25):
what's in there are those who need to know. And
there could be a life support pod inside that. There
could be astronauts aboard that thing. Okay, and this bit
about well telemetry, I mean, come on, if you don't
think that they haven't long ago figured out a way
to mask telemetry and radio communications that have to do

(47:45):
with life support systems, you're fooling yourself. You know. It's
you know, so from my perspective, it's a lot easier
to have been putting people up in space right under
the noses of the public, you know, all along, you know.
And then there's other options. Believe me, launching rockets at
Vandenberg or Cape Canaveral or whatever aren't the only options

(48:08):
we've had. There are other launch technologies, one of which
I know of in the American Southwest that aren't rocket launchers.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
And well, yeah, I remember in the nineteen eighties there
were reports coming in from legitimate you know, aviation spotters
of a Valkyrie type aircraft that seemed to be carrying
a smaller shuttle like payload.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
And that that circulated for quite a while until you
as you said before, then the weirdness started getting put
into the narrative for the secret space program. But I mean,
there's a way to get to space without having to
have rocket launchers, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yeah, well, a lot of people don't know that SR
seventy one pilots they don't notice, but for a while,
you know, they wear astronaut wings. Now, don't you find
that interesting that pilots of what we're told, Yeah, a
high very high altitude aircraft. But still people didn't think
about that as something that goes into space. But the

(49:21):
SR seventy one is capable. It skips in and out. Okay,
Now I knew a guy in really deep special ops
that you know, he referred to it as the big ride.
And that's operatives who will be popped out of the
back of the SR seventy one. And do you know

(49:41):
the like a Halo type jump, you know, in the
days when everybody didn't know about Halo jumps.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
We'll jump into more of this stuff next segment with
Walder Gene and Tim.

Speaker 8 (49:50):
You're in the parl cost.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Hi, my name is Richard Dolan. You're listening to the paracast.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
So every one of these crafts are doing something where
that we don't know about.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Walter pretty much.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Well, yeah, the SR seventy one. Look here's people should
understand the rule of thumb. When you're told that this
is our most advanced aircraft, okay, don't believe it. There's
something secret that is more advanced. Or when they say
this is the ceiling capability on this aircraft, don't believe

(50:46):
that it can go higher. This aircraft, you know, it
goes really high altitude, but it stays with it. Well,
you know, don't be surprised if you find out that
it actually can pop out in to orbit technically, you know,
lower orbit. You know what we still call space. You know,
when the pilots where astronaut wings, I mean, you know,

(51:09):
or they're rated as an astronaut. You know, do the math.
But yeah, the special ops guy told me that they
would call it the Big Ride and they would be
popped out the back of the SR seventy one and essentially,
you know, from that high up virtually up by space.
Then they would do their you know there there, I'm

(51:29):
using the term halo. There was another term that he used,
and this was for you know, insertions that like out
in the middle of if you I'm just pulling something
out of my hat, but if you want to insert
an agent, you know, into Siberia, you know, somewhere in
the middle of nowhere whatever, you'd go that high so that,
you know, people said, well, why would you do that? Well,

(51:50):
you know, it's better than trying to come up with
undercover identities to slip them in on a train or something,
you know. And and I, you know, I wasn't in
that particular brand of op, so you know what I
could go on. You know, it was a guy who
did it, who was telling me, you know, about this
who verifiably was in that world. There's all sorts of

(52:12):
interesting things going on up there, you know, in space
that we don't know about. I was on.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
And this would have been the very early either early
two thousands or maybe even late you know, nineteen hundreds.
I was on somebody's show and I can't remember his
name now he has since passed away, but he had
one of the early podcasts. And this guy had been
in a earlier part of his life, like the like

(52:44):
what would it be like a NATO policeman something like that,
and he had been stationed in what was the remnants
of Yugoslavia. Anyway, he told me the story that he
after somebody had told him about this, he found a

(53:04):
government website that basically was looking for recruits for the
space program. And it this website also, I guess, listed
some names of people who are already part of it.
And he was certain that this was part of the

(53:29):
like you know, like the most part of the most
public part of the secret space program. And I did
and this was very like I said, pretty early on.
I just always found that interesting. And then of course,
naturally the site disappeared. But I just often wondered if
if they would go and have to recruit from a website,

(53:51):
I mean, it's it was a great story, but it
seemed suspicious.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Oh yeah, it is.

Speaker 9 (53:56):
It's to me, it's it's I would say, Now, now
somebody was somebody was playing games. And now now the
one way I could see there'd be some type of
legitimate government connection would be again, if the intelligence apparatus
involved in this was trying to test the waters of

(54:18):
public perception.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
You know so. But but as far as actually recruiting
through the website, no, I I don't see that happening
because look, the level of trust just for things we
know about, and the background that they have to do,
and the psychological batteries when you I mean, I work
for multiple agencies and each one puts you through multiple

(54:44):
psych batteries as part of your application or you know,
your your personnel processing. I mean, they know more about
you than you do, and they like to do is
best they can to be able to predict what you'll
do in a given situation. You know, nothing's one hundred percent,

(55:05):
but you know, they like to be armed with as
much data as possible, and so that requires observation longer
than a lot of people think. One of the reasons
why they you find generational involvement in things like the

(55:26):
Secret World, is because they love when they can recruit
within families.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
My mentor that I talk about was my uncle was
one of my mom's brothers. Okay, but when he was
retired and he had to retire because of a medical issue,
he was getting older and he had a stroke. Otherwise
he would have, you know, worked another ten years. He
had forty four years just in the intelligence community alone,
and that was after his time in the army. And

(55:56):
so they love recruiting in families. I was ann to
Uncle Sam because my dad had been in the Air
Force and then what he had done, which still you know,
there's some mystery there. And then my uncle, who's my
mentor you know, I'm more of a known anybody who
has had family in they're more of a known, right,

(56:18):
they have part of your background already. So yeah, that's
why you find a lot of the deeper you go
into that world. You find a lot of generational participation.
You know, their dad, their grandpa, that kind of thing,
or grandma or whatever mom. Because yeah, they're very, very

(56:39):
particular and they like to you know, a known is
better than an unknown, right If okay, this guy's dad
was in and here's his quirks, here's his weaknesses. Okay,
we already know that rather than just somebody who you
know comes to them as a virtual blank, and they
have to go back and look into the whole family.

(57:00):
So and that also, by the way, that also works
for special skills, like we know that Uncle Sam takes
psychic stuff seriously. So if you have a family member
that was in and there's a history of that in
the family, they can pretty much guess that you might

(57:22):
you might have interactions or talents like that as well,
and they want to develop them. You know, I've said
before my mentor he was teaching me paranormal and occult
skills just as much as he was talking about what

(57:42):
I do as an agent, you know, or a military officer.
And he was telling me there are people expecting you
to know how to do this, and that was quite
frankly necromancy. I was taught by this man how to
go to a cemetery and raise a dead spirit and
get information out of them. On the living. You can
do that. You raise a dead spirit and you work

(58:06):
them as a source. I kid you not. It's like
you're an agent working a source and they're a source.
And if you need to know something more about like
what a living person is doing or has done, you
can pull up someone who's been dead one hundred and
fifty years and they're able to tell you this, this,
that and the other. This is what I was taught

(58:26):
and trained, and I pursued it up till a point
that you know, life got in the way on things
and I got distracted or or some of it spooked me,
you know, but I was told and encouraged and that
there's people expecting you to know how to do this stuff.

(58:47):
You know, there are things that I did continue and
that I do. You know to this day that he
taught me, and some of the stuff that spooked me
back then doesn't spook me as much anymore. You know,
I'm more willing to expose myself to it. But yeah,
you know, they look at my my dad's mother was

(59:08):
known to have these weird psychic experiences and visions and
stuff like that, and so you know they know about that.
They're going to know about that, and you know, my
dad was involved in a weird project and gosh, what
a surprise. I end up in the Air Force, I
end up in that world. And you know, it's an

(59:30):
uncle who got me into it, and the same uncle
who taught me necromancy and you know, other weird things
and had weird connections of his own. So it's there,
you go.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Before we go any further, we've got more with Walk,
Jeane and Tim so much more.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
You're in the pedocost.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Hi.

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
This is James Fox, director of the phenomenon and moment
of contact. You're listening to the para cast, the gold
standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Before Tim ask a question of water. What occurs to
me here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Is the father and the son and the uncle keeping
it in the family. It almost sounds like a bagel
baker from the old elsewhere where the father is a
bagel baker and he trains his son to be a
bagel baker and he can't get into the union unless
he's recommended by somebody in the union usually a family member. Yeah,

(01:00:53):
and my best friend at the time, Marty, he was
also into UFOs, but there is no connection.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Well, I was just going to comment that I would
think it would be difficult to try to gain information
from a deceased source, because traditionally, when that's been attempted,
you know through mediums, and you know, not just your
street corner mediums, but somebody who's done it all their lives.

(01:01:23):
The information a lot of times comes out sporadic and
with a lot of misinformation thrown in as well. It's
it's almost like the memories are fading and rapidly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Yeah, I've never seen any of those mediums mediums using
the method I was taught, so I you know, there
might be you know that that might be the big difference. Now, Admittedly,
like I said, that stuff is spooky, okay, and there's
reasons to be careful with it. For the record, I've

(01:02:01):
said this before, I'll say it again. I never carried
it to the point where what the result I was
taught would be ever happened. I've not heard the voice
of anyone dead speak in my ear, and I've not
seen them materialize in front of me. The extent that
I have experienced is presence, a presence, you know, But

(01:02:26):
the specific method I was trained, I've never seen a
you know, these publicly known psychic mediums ever use never,
not once. So that might explain, you know, what you're
talking about, because you're right, it is sporadic. There's always
the problem like when people do seances or the Ouiji

(01:02:49):
board or something, which, by the way, this uncle told
me in his words, stay the hell away from the
Wuigi board. It's not the least of it because it's unreliable,
because it's a bad portal. But you know, they think
they're talking to Grandma, and it might not be Grandma.

(01:03:11):
You know, it might be something out there that you know,
intends you harm, and that's part of why, you know,
my uncle told me. He goes, I get it. You
grew up on them damn horror films, and you think
everything's a monster and you get spooked. And so when
he was teaching me this, I said, Okay, so when

(01:03:33):
this person materializes from the grave that I've called up,
what's it look like? Is it scary? And he goes, oh, yeah,
it's pretty hair raising the first time you experience it.
And I'm like, oh, for crying out loud, why do
you want to do this? And then he told me
how to deal with that. He says, if that happens,
just do this, but you stick to it. What he

(01:03:55):
told me was is when you pull them up, the
first thing you get the bones, and then what you
see is a visual representation of the flesh reconstructing on
the bones. And then you know, you see them as
a corpse. And then what you're what they're doing is
their spirit is they're tuning to your age. Like at

(01:04:17):
the time I learned this, I was twenty seven years old. Okay,
the dead person I pulled up. What they would do
is supposedly, is they would seek to tune to my age,
to what they look like when they were twenty seven,
and then of course if I do it when I'm forty,
what they would and on and so forth, you get

(01:04:38):
the idea and then they would just look like a
living person. Ultimately, once they tune in and there's a
little protocol for talking to them, and then they start
telling you what you want to know. But there's there's
little rules with the person has to have been dead
and buried for X number of years or longer. You

(01:05:01):
have to pay attention to. For instance, the target I
chose was a female buried in colonial cemetery on Long Island,
and she'd been dead at the time I was doing
this over one hundred and fifty years. And what you

(01:05:21):
have to be careful about back in the you know,
American colonial era, you know, or even after the Revolution
and such, after the colonial era, is you got to
look at the name. You got to make sure you're
not pulling someone up who spoke a language you don't know,
you know. And even if you choose someone with an
English name or you could find out something about their history,

(01:05:44):
they might have spoke in English that you wouldn't understand
very clearly, right or in some cases they might have
spoke French because French was the international language. It's like, well,
your French better be up to speak. And as far
as the English thing goes, you know. As a example,
in ninety six, when I was deployed to Saudi Arabia
with the Air Force, I went with our debt COO

(01:06:06):
after I got there to go meet our British counterparts
for the first time, and I kid you not, the
number two guy with the Brits, his British accent was
so heavy and thick that I literally could not understand
a word he was saying. And the man was speaking English.
So that's what I'm saying is you have all these considerations,

(01:06:26):
how long they've been dead, what language did they speak?
Is it a dialect you're going to understand. The spirit's
going to be not happy to be pulled back into
you know that, and on and so forth. And I
have questions about it too. It's like, well, wait a minute,
because I happen to be personally think that reincarnation is
a real thing. Well, what if their spirit has reincarnated,

(01:06:50):
you know, and they're alive in some living body. Now
am I pulling a part of their consciousness you know
away or you know, how does this work? There's something
funny there that doesn't seem like that's going to work
to me. So who and what is it am I
really contacting? You know, there's questions I didn't have answered,
but I was indeed taught this particular method that I've

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never seen any kind of psychic medium ever use on
or in any book, any TV show, any discussion of it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
So you know, and you don't. You don't have to
say yes or no to this question, but it just
it makes me think, does does does teaching have anything
to do with the uh? The old discipline of the alchemist?

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Meaning meaning what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Meaning was? Was what you were taught part of that?

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
What? What do you mean by the discipline of the alchemist? Just?

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Well, I mean, okay, people think that, well, people think
that alchemy was just you know guys uh in their
workshops trying to turn yeah leadah. But instead there was
actually a very very broad teaching of spiritual aspects, one

(01:08:11):
of them being necromatcy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I thought that's
where you're going. I just I just want to be
sure sure, Yeah, oh yeah, I think that was a
part of it, you know what. Another thing though, that
I later on, I thought, I wondered if it was
a gullibility test, hmm, to see to test if I
would follow instructions, no matter how crazy they seemed, and

(01:08:36):
or to see to what extent I would believe, Like,
in other words, let's see if that knucklehead will go
out there and stand in a cemetery at night, a
colonial cemetery at night, calling up a dead person. You know,
let's see how gullible he is. And then you know
the ideas when I figured out, I'm getting a good
laugh on myself too, like, oh my god, look what
he did to me. He got me out here at

(01:08:57):
the other part could be the other part think about it,
and all of this could be true. It was a
test to get me to face fears that I had,
because I have, you know, and did back then, you know,
serious fears of like he told me once he goes
the number one thing that frightens you the most is
demonic possession. And I go, well, yeah, hello, And it

(01:09:20):
could have been a test of get him out there
in a situation that makes him psycho emotionally nervous to
you know, to get that out of him to make
sure see how he handles situations like that. So I thought, then, okay,
this is kind of like a handling thing, you know,
putting me in situations that spook me to see if

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I can still function and follow instructions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Right right, we're going to break now, and you're going
to follow these instructions.

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
Walter, Tim Jeane, you're in who Loper Ghost.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Hi, this is Bryce Abel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
I'm the producer of Dark Skies, the co author of
ad After Disclosure, and you are listening to the Paracast,
the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Walter, do you follow instructions?

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Yeah? Yeah, when I am in operational mode, of of
course I do. That doesn't mean I don't think. That
doesn't mean that, you know, I don't question things. My
experience in officer training school is from the get go,
they tell you, you know, you're going to be a junior officer.
Your job, if you stay in long enough, you'll be

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a senior officer. You'd be field great and and golly
maybe above that. But your job as a junior officer
out there is to point out where things can go wrong.
Is to remind your commanding officer of certain things that
you know, keep him or her out of trouble. And
you are expected if you're given an unlawful order, we
expect you to have the professionalism and you know, the

(01:11:11):
wherewithal to disregard or disobey that order. People think that
military people are just training to be automatons will do
any rotten thing they're told, and that's not the truth.
It's ingrained in you. If it's an unlawful order, something
you think is wrong or you see is wrong, we
expect you just as much to not follow that order

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and state your reasons why as we do to follow it.
You know, this is why it concerns me when boy,
when I see federal agents and military people getting involved
in doing some of the stuff they're doing in the
way that they're doing it. As a veteran and as
a professional who did that job, it really disappoints me
and bothers me. It concerns me that we have people

(01:11:53):
in the ranks that are just willing to just do
what they're told without questioning it, because that that was
not the culture that I remember. And that's where dangerous
bad things can happen, is when you're you don't think
you just do you know what you're told, like you're
a robot. But yeah, what was the question?

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Well, okay, if if it was a situation where you know,
like you said this, this was a test just to
see if you would just you know, go and do
you know any fool thing that they tell you to do,
but especially with something that you know you've already had
shown an interest in in the past. So then you
come back and I mean even though you know, like

(01:12:41):
you said, you didn't hear the voys, didn't happen, but
you did feel like a presence.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Oh ever since then, I've had a presence around me.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
But you know, you come back, you know, with that report,
and your uncle was just like you did really okay,
that's interest.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
I wasn't expecting that, right, Yeah, I had I done that,
But you know, till the day he died, he never
he never acted like it was just a goof or
it was just a test. So and other people I
know witnessed some of the weird stuff that he was
experiencing and that he saw. So my position is, the

(01:13:21):
stuff is real, the stuff is true, it can be done.
But I keep in the back of my mind, you know, hey,
you know I like to acknowledge, you know, how it
could not have been true, and that I became an
asset handler after that, so I learned the skills of
when you're handling an asset, you know, you need to

(01:13:42):
kind of understand how their mind works. You need to
you need to have your buttons and your levers. And
I know this sounds terrible, but in getting them to
do things, so you test the extent of their gullibilities.
You test the extent of okay, there, you put them
in an uncomfortable situation. How are they going to handle
it to keep it together? Are they going to crumble?

(01:14:02):
That kind of thing? So I understand those things you do.
So I acknowledged that all the spooky stuff that he
told me what happened could have been nonsense, that he
was just again testing me, you know. And I got
to tell you, while I was out there in that
cemetery at night, there I was, and that wasn't like
me getting me in a cemetery at night back then,

(01:14:25):
even though I was in my twenties and had already
worked for the I was working for the FBI, you know, still,
I mean, they ain't going to a graveyard at night,
are you crazy. I've seen all the horror movies, I've
read the books and heard the stories, you know, But
there I was because, hey, you know, this is what
my mentor who was guiding my career said I was
supposed to do and what was expected of me. So

(01:14:47):
it is interesting how within the context of mission the
things you can do that you never imagine you could
do outside of mission. For instance, to this day, and
I know I frustrate a very good friend of mine
who has a pilot's license, but to this day, I

(01:15:08):
will not take a ride on a private aircraft. Okay,
when I was on the job, I took all sorts
of dangerous flights on small aircraft. But for some reason
in my mind, it's like the first time, you know,
when I do it for personal reasons is when it's
going to get me right. I mean, logically, that doesn't

(01:15:28):
make sense, you know, riding a combat dive in a
twin order over Iraq. I mean, if ever in an
airplane I could have died, it was on that. You know,
If ever an airplane I could have died was flying
in a L one hundred over the Hindu cush when
you're hitting that turbulence and stuff. But I sat there

(01:15:48):
on that combat dive. I was smiling and laughing all
the way down. It's like nothing I can do if
we die. My life is in the hands of these
veteran Navy pilots. They know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Again, when it was mission, I could do it and
stay very calm, you know. But there's things that situations
I wouldn't put myself in in my private life, some
of which is because in a lot of those situations
I had a gun. If I needed to respond and
fight back, I could as a civilian. Oh my god,

(01:16:19):
you fight back in this country and you're going to
jail because how could you hurt that poor criminal? You know,
just ask their mom and grandma. He's a sweet boy,
you know. But when you're on the mission, you can
hurt back if you need to, you know, So you
get it. That's one of the things that you know,
or you know, Hey, I got to take this airplane ride.

(01:16:40):
There's only one way to get from from Baghdad to Mosul,
and that's taking this crazy flight where there's anti aircraft
guns and stuff. So you know, ergo the combat dive
you got to make. But so yeah, I could go
out in that cemetery because this is what was expected
of me as secret agent.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Man, Well, you have to pay attention to those gut instincts,
even if it's you know, long extended. Like you said,
you just have that feeling that the first time you
go like a on a small plane, that that's what
it's going to get. I'm a big believer in listening
to that gut.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Exactly, exactly exactly now. I you know, with paranormal experiences,
Mine really started noticeably for me after I had that
weird enlightenment wake up in December of seventy nine. But honestly,
my most intense paranormal experiences started after I started doing

(01:17:43):
that necromancy stuff. Even even though I stopped and didn't
do that specifically, there was something with me in the
years that followed. When I was at Wright Patterson there
there was something with me that would walk up. But
I'd be sitting at my computer in my living room
in my apartment, and I would feel and hear someone

(01:18:06):
you know, move like in the apartment, and then I
would just feel them walk right up behind me and
be standing there. Okay. Now, this was when I was
an agent for OSI running the counter esu mena jobs branch.
So I had a very important job and also forward,
you know, trusted with money and guns and secrets. And
I'm as I live and breathe. I'm telling you, I

(01:18:27):
would take a polygraph on this this person, whatever it was,
the spirit would walk up behind me. I had In
two thousand and eight, I was in a bookstore and
a young lady kept looking at me oddly, and you know,
I thought, hey, I still got it right. You know, No,
that's not what it was. She said, excuse me. I
don't mean to bother you, and I don't want to

(01:18:48):
sound crazy, but said, do you have anybody in your life,
you know, named Maria or Mary or whatever. I said, well,
I have a sister named Mary. And she goes, no,
this is somebody who's not living. I kind of looked
at I said, I had a grandma Mary, who died
before I was born. She said, that's it, she goes,
is she a short lady with kind of salt and
pepper hair and liked roses. My jaw drop because you know,

(01:19:12):
I've seen photos of this woman and my dad taught
it's my dad's mom. And she loved roses and stuff
like that. She goes, well, she's standing next to you,
and she wanted me to tell you that she's there.
My dad was dying that year and she told me.
She goes, she's always with you, and she's gonna always
be with you. And I've had other psychic people since

(01:19:34):
her as well, So I don't know if that was
her or the lady from the Long Island Cemetery. And
you know, of course, you know, a good old church
going person would say, oh, you've got a devil attached
to you, you know, and all that crap.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
We got more stuff, not crap with Walter, Jean, Tim,
you're in the very dust.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
I'm opinding. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:20:08):
This is Chris ritt Koski and this is the Para Cast,
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Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
One of our long time listeners and posters, guy named Robert,
referred to as Burnt State, has some fascinating questions and
some descriptions and comments.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
Okay, yes, well I'm looking at it right now. I'll
try to boil it down a little bit because it's
a fairly long question for Walter, and Burt State says,
I'm looking for some clarity regarding this quote on your
website about the Breakaway Civilization book. Let's say Walter Bosley
tracks the COVID rise of NIMS pre Nazi secrets sary B.

(01:21:00):
He says, admittedly, I haven't read this particular book, but
I did read the First to Empire, the Wheeld series,
and I'm familiar with your work around the IMHO, the
hypothetical aircraft society called NIMSA. All right, so I gather
that Walter is now postulating a deeper century old conspiracy

(01:21:22):
regarding the control of American aerospace development from NIMSA, two
supposedly off world projects being engaged in currently. So he
would like you to expand a little bit more and
maybe answer some of the following questions. He's got three.
I'll start with one. Do you feel that those in

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charge of American aerospace development are simply a cabal of
wealthy corporate gods and their puppet masters or is there
a more political and power based agenda at work behind
their machinations. So, let's say American aerospace is it being

(01:22:04):
influenced by a secret cabal of secret wealthy corporate gods
and their puppet masters?

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
There you go, Yeah, but it's the other part of
that too. There's political element. There's of course the you know,
the aerospace engineering, you know, big wigs. Yeah, so it's
both are in the mix. Those guys, the kabal as

(01:22:30):
you put it, they have to deal with the official power,
you know, the government whoever, and the government has to
deal with those cabal guys. So it's a symbiotic relationship really,
And in mentioning NIMSA, to simplify NIMSA, I didn't come
up with this concept. Our source on this is Charles

(01:22:52):
Delshaw who died in nineteen twenty three and first tells
us about the Sonora Aero Club and his writings. This
started in eighteen ninety three. He started writing this story
down and he died in twenty three, so he didn't
write anything after that obviously. And he identifies this mysterious
Nimsey group ny MZA all capital letters as being based

(01:23:17):
in Germany. There's people that are saying, no, it means
the New York this, that or the other. I'm like, nope,
we have to go with the source. And the source
Delschau says flat out in his works that it was
a German based organization. Now, the threads I have pulled.
And the hypothesis that I've put forward is this German

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organization had its hands in aerospace via the airship technology
and then eventually aircraft in the twentieth century. They had
their hands in all of that, you know, from the
Delschau era on into the twentieth century. And I present

(01:24:01):
why I think you know, the German you know, Fred
was at the heart of it, and why I think
NIMSA was one of those organizations that was behind the
rise of Nazi Germany and their involvement would have been
in the Nazi technological development. I proposed that a lot

(01:24:24):
of the wonder weapon stuff and the secret technologies, the
things like degloca and stuff that the Nazi scientists would
have learned principles and whatever proof of concept had been
done from NIMSA, Okay, And so NIMSA was very much,

(01:24:44):
I guess you could say, what's the word embedded within
the Nazi technological culture. And so by extension through Operation
paper Clip, NIMSA passes into the United State into influencing
the United States post war and was very much a
part of the design, the vision and design of our

(01:25:08):
military industrial complex as it was expanded post World War two,
So yeah, I think Also I mentioned to Glaca Delshall
reveals to us in his schematics that the Sonora Air
Club in the eighteen fifties was already experimenting with a

(01:25:31):
proof of concept version of the Bell, and I pointed
that out to Stephen Romano, who published the best book
of the Dell Shall Imagery, and it was quite a
surprise to find that in there. But that's strong evidence
that the Sonora Air Club the eighteen fifties was messing

(01:25:52):
with the basic concepts of the Bell even back then.
But that's a whole other story. So anyway, I hope
that answered the question.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Yeah's that's that's a great story. We need to delve
into that sometime. His second question is along the lines,
do you think that this the nims of backslash Nazi
influence on the United States and then possibly with the

(01:26:23):
help of those brought in through Operation paper Clip, might
have resorted our at least had an influence on the
highest levels of political power that we're now seeing developing,
especially starting you know, like over the last ten years

(01:26:45):
in the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Yeah. I've written an entire book on this title NIMSA,
How America Sold its soul. I published it two years ago,
and I was warning about this very thing and even
naming names, okay, and how how dangerously similar to the
rise of Nazi Germany, the rise of certain influences. You know, look,

(01:27:08):
things are too dire and there's no time to pussy
foot around with this stuff. I warned about the Christian
nationalist movement in that book, Okay, I warn about what's
going on today and how it totally rhymes with and
resonates with, you know, the rise of the Nazis in

(01:27:29):
Germany in the thirties and the influence this former Nazi
influence on the United States military industrial complex and politicians
since post World War Two. So that if you go
to Walter Bosley dot com you can read exactly what
I think about that and the historical precedent for this,
what Nazi Germany did, and what Nimza by, in my opinion,

(01:27:51):
you know before that they were following a model that
dates back to medieval Germany. Okay, when when Germany wasn't
unified Germany as we know it, it was multiple states. Okay.
There's a guy named Paul Winkler wrote a book One
Thousand Year Conspiracy that lays it all out. I go
into this in the in my book Nims How America
Sold its Soul, and I lay out and again I

(01:28:16):
name names and present the evidence for it. And just
right now, there's a lot of people that don't want
to hear it because it's never it's never fun when
you got to take a harsh, critical look at your
own side. I mean, I don't make it a big secret.
I'm a guy who's right of center. I'm generally I'm
a conservative guy, okay. And the things that I'm seeing

(01:28:38):
and I talk about in that book are are what
you would call And I'm doing air quotes now on
my side, on my team, and I don't like it.
And you know, you have to be critical of your
own side, you know, if you're going to be legit,
if you're going to have any credibility, And that book,
you know, does that. And I think that book will

(01:29:02):
answer that particular question very clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
Yeah, I highly recommend that book as well to Burtain
State and everybody else who's who is listening. Like you said,
you know, you wrote you This book came out two
years ago, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Yeah, and it names I mean, it talks about people
who are in Congress that it's like, watch out for this,
because I don't think even a lot of them understand
what they're being influenced by. And I point out, I mean,
and for the record, I grew up in America, Okay,
I grew up in the Judeo Christian you know, the
Christian tradition, went to church and all that stuff. And

(01:29:42):
I'm telling you this group and their philosophy is dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
More danger for Waldrojine and Tim. You're in the periast.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
This is Michah Hanks of the grayle Terport and you're
listening to the peri cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Danger. Indeed, because of the spread of the beliefs Walter.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Or what quite frankly, their philosophy, theocracy has no place
in the United States of America under a constitution, you know.
And therefore theocracy they are for imposition and forced conversion.

(01:30:45):
I mean, it's archaic, and I wrote about it in
the book. And if you want to do a show
on it sometime, I gladly will. But I think they
get the point. It's a mean spirited philosophical approach to
government and politics and spirituality too, you know, it's a

(01:31:06):
it's a fanatical movement, a dangerous fanatical movement. And you know,
right now people might say, oh boy, he sounds like
a nutty leftist or something like that, or atheist whoever.
Believe me. I'm no atheist, but sometimes you gotta you
gotta call him as you see him. And this one
concerns me. So I'm and and and for my credibility,

(01:31:27):
I wrote this book two years ago. You know, I
didn't wait till now to point this out two years ago.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Anyway, Well, and that's that's a stick.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
People, you know, people say, oh, well, listen to this,
you know, this atheist you know, spouting all this. But
and as we all know, this movement on the surface
maybe about religion, uh huh, but it's it's not. It's
about power and money, yes, and.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Control and control yeah, yep, yep exactly. And you know,
as somebody, I am a veteran, not just a veteran
military person, but a veteran federal agent, Okay, sworn up,
hold and defend that Constitution and the rights of other Americans,
whether I agree with them politically or not. You know
what an example, the flag burning, flag burning is not

(01:32:27):
my style. I hate to see people get so angry
and stuff that they you know, burn the flag of
their own nations and stuff. But you know what, it's
protected under the First Amendment period, you know, threatening to
put people in jail for a year over something the
Supreme Court of the United States of America has said
is protected under the First Amendment. Rights. I don't care
how high of an office you hold. Okay, even if

(01:32:50):
it's somebody who I've voted for multiple times, I'm sorry.
I stopped short when you start violating the Constitution, you know,
and that as you can tell again. And there's a
lot of veterans like me, conservative veterans who are really
getting turned off when it comes to stuff like that,

(01:33:11):
and it needs to be said. People like me, we
need to say these things. It might make people feel uncomfortable,
it might, you know, mess up there. They're real fun
vibe they're having. But this is not going to end well,
So I hope I'm wrong, But if it keeps going,
it's not going to end well. What's the next question.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
Well, but you know, before we run out of time
on the show, is you know I wanted to ask
about your Napoleon books because I find this subject just
really fascinating and learned a lot from this that that
I never knew before. So I mean, you know, perhaps

(01:33:54):
you I mean, what what got you interested in this subject?
Because it is this kind of something. You know, when
I started to look it into this from your work,
I was just like, wow, thank you, thank you, Walter. So,
I mean, you know what what got you interested?

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Really? It was years ago. I was in a one
of them bookshops that I love. You know, it has
occult books and things like that, and actually it's called
the Psychic Eye. I would go to the one in Torrance, California,
and they had a book about Napoleon and a couple

(01:34:37):
of books, oh, a couple of books about Napoleon, and
I learned for the first time that Napoleon had spent
the night in the Pyramid, right, And that's a story
that people have heard and that always intrigued me. So
I started looking into that and I had couldn't find much.

(01:35:00):
It was just the apocryphal tale that he spent a
night in the Great Pyramid and when he emerged, he
was just shaken and stunned and white as a sheet.
And when you know his close confident. One of his
personal guards asked him what happened, and he says, you
wouldn't believe me if I told you. I just I
can't talk about it. I thought, Wow, that's mysterious, that's intriguing.

(01:35:23):
Is it true? Did it even really happen? So I
had heard over the years about, you know, Napoleon had
gone to Egypt and such, and I was in again
another bookstore, Bookstores are Wonderful, a used bookstore with Joseph Farrell,
my good friend, Joseph Ferrell, a favorite used bookstore of his.
And there it was one copy of Bonaparte in Egypt

(01:35:47):
by Christopher Harold, I think is the name. And I
scooped that up and I read that, and that's where
I learned that Napoleon Bonaparte was very much interested in
these things that we love, like lost civilizations and weird
forgotten ancient technologies and all sorts of the psychic stuff.
That was his first love. And he surrounded himself with

(01:36:11):
guys who were into this, like scientists who are alchemists,
and some cases Masons and suspected templars and things like that.
And so I began to see a different image of
the guy not the least of which was he didn't
spend all his life as this short, frumpy, balding, morose

(01:36:32):
guy who was a megalomaniac. The more I read about him,
the less he appeared to be that way, to the
point where I ended up, you know, reading like about
seven thousand pages of biography that was contemporary with him,
you know, during his lifetime and all the intervening years

(01:36:55):
up till now. And I got turned on to the
works of Andrew Roberts, who one of his books is
Napoleon the Great, and he's a British Now get this,
he's a British historian and biographer, and he is an
advocate for rehabilitating the image of Napoleon Bonaparte. He points out,
this man was not the despot and the awful antichrist

(01:37:18):
he was made out to be. Did he make mistakes,
Oh yeah. Did he do some dumb, bad things, oh yeah,
But he admitted it and he would try to correct that.
He was imperfect, But he was not the big, demonic megalomaniac.
He had a big ego, believe me, you know, but
he was a much more human, much more likable leader,

(01:37:42):
and the reason one of the I came to see
that the reason the British hate him so much is
he was stealing their thunder. Okay. This was the you know,
the height of the British Empire, and they didn't like
this upstart from France, you know, kind of being a rival,
and he was being a rival. He was having such
an impact across the continent of Europe that they were

(01:38:04):
getting a little scared that he was going to outshine him. Now,
think about it. Around the time of Napoleon's rise was
right after they you know, are we had our revolution
and they lost their colonies. Okay, so that was kind
of a They were already bruised from their ego was
bruised from that, and now here's Napoleon threatening their glorious power.

(01:38:26):
I have to admit, I I came away British people.
I like the common common British person, English person I like,
but official England and the British Empire and stuff. I
came to really just really despise because you know, you
see the tactics that you know there they are behind

(01:38:48):
about one hundred percent of the slander, the historical slander
against Napoleon Bonaparte, and I mean it becomes obvious any
and even Andrew Roberts says that, you know, and he's
a British historian, you know, his colleagues kind of irritated
that he comes out, you know, on the side of Napoleon.
So I came away with a completely different view of

(01:39:11):
Napoleon Bonaparte and what I tried to put in those
books are you know, what he was really interested in,
some of the really curious things he was involved with
and he made happen, and the additional threads that it

(01:39:31):
just you're left to pull when you read what I
think is more the true story, the real story, and
I recommend people go to Andrew Roberts read Napoleon the
Great and you'll get a taste of what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
One more segment on the main show with Walter, Gene
and Tim, and then Walter will be back for the
After the Power Cast podcast.

Speaker 7 (01:39:51):
You're in of the Purcast.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
I'm Kevin Randall.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
You're listening to the para Cast, the gold standard of
paranormal radio, and I'm welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
When you talk about the fact that modern perceptions about
historic figures may be totally different from the reality. But
isn't that true with lots of people. I mean, we
can't agree with what happened an hour ago, and we
have people who want to go into the museums and change.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
A few things, yeah, exactly, or to ban the books
that explain a few things differently.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got these people that want to,
you know, create or recreate everything in the image they prefer,
and you know they want to they just want to
control the narrative because they want to control the way
you think and everything. Their control freaks, you know, they say,

(01:41:05):
there's what a couple of kinds of people, the ones
that want to control everything, and those each everyone else
and those who just want to be left alone. And
the controlling types just hate the ones who want to
be left alone. It's just there's just some weird quirk
in human nature. And you know, it's always been that

(01:41:25):
the winner writes history, right, you know, the winner writes
the version of history that we're taught in the schools
and everything, and so naturally, when you start digging deeper
and you're finding the facts and evidence that the truth
is contrary to the narrative, there's people that aren't going
to like that. There's people that can't handle that. Depending
upon to the extent that they're committed and devoted to.

(01:41:49):
Their craving for power and control determines the extent that
they'll carry their reaction to. In some cases, the burning
of books even beyond the banning of them, the forcing
of certain things, you know, in public spaces, while the

(01:42:10):
removal of certain things from public spaces. I mean, look
what the uh, look what the fanatical lefties did, you
know a decade or so ago with tearing this down,
tearing that down, destroying this. You know, look what the
Taliban did with the giant Buddhas over there. You know,
something that was hundreds thousands of years old, and they're
just going to destroy it because you know, God right,

(01:42:32):
you know, they're fanatical religion and you know, in the
Middle East, just this constant back and forth. Well they
pushed us first, and just go on and on and
on and on and on, you know, just endless fighting.
And this this call it philosophy, call it theocracy, spirituality,

(01:42:54):
or whatever it drives. In a lot of cases, what
are otherwise reasonable rational people into this rabbit insanity because oops,
you know, you've brought their personal philosophy or their religion,
you know, into the equation religion can really and again

(01:43:18):
I'm not an atheist. I have, you know, my own
spiritual beliefs and stuff, but organized religion has caused more
problems than it is I'm gonna be nice than it
is usually worth. My inclination is to say then it
has ever been worth, but I'll say more than usually worth,

(01:43:44):
you know. But there's a lot of people who that's
a strong drive for them, and they'll go along with anything.
And this is why Tim talked about a particular group
is cloaking itself in God and religion. But they know
they're doing that because they know it's a dog whistle

(01:44:05):
emotional psycho emotionally for a lot of people, and they
know that's the best way to get people to go
along with nefarious things is tell them God will be
happy with them, you know. And in the in particularly
in the American Christian vernacular particularly, but this is found
in others as well. This threat of hell, this threat

(01:44:27):
of the afterlife, the this is why they had to
erase the discussion of reincarnation because you've got no control
over people if you know, you can't convince them that
this is the one shot they have, you know, And
this is the kind of thing that is being used
in people's minds to either get them to be involved

(01:44:49):
with bad things or to get them to go along
with bad things being done.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
And yeah, yeah, well, I mean there's all kinds of
people who are all too willing to throw everything that
they have been taught, taught morally aside. If the church
or somebody you know in in power along those ways
tells them that that's what that that's what they have

(01:45:18):
to do. God wants them to do. That you forget,
forget what you were taught. This is what you need
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Yeah, And and both sides, all sides do it left
right up down at a corner. All all of them
play this game. They played, They play their particular brand
of the same game. You know, you know it's it's
fire them up using their superstitions and their emotions and

(01:45:47):
you know, their spiritual beliefs to get them to do
what you want them to do that they otherwise wouldn't
do because they think, you know, this thing that they
revere and worship is on their side, whether it's God
or not, they think that it's this thing is on
their side, and it's a powerful handle to have over

(01:46:11):
human beings and it's it's just evil to misuse it
that way. It really is. But you know, some some
people can't resist it, they can't resist abusing it, they
can't stand up to its abuse, because it's the fear.
It's the fear. Fear is a natural human thing. You've

(01:46:33):
got You've got to remember to try to have empathy
for people when they're in that frame of mind because
they're being manipulated, you know most of the time, or intimidated,
and you know, you just have to you have to
maybe kind of fight on their behalf, you know, so.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
To okay, you You've got You've got two books about Napoleon,
and if people want to read these, where can they
find them?

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Oh, Walterbosley dot com. Easy to find go to Walterbosei
dot com slash shop. You'll see the Esoteric Napoleon and
the Esoteric Napoleon two, and of course Nimza How America
Sold Its Soul is there as well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
So what are you working on right now?

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
And all my other books and stuff too. What I'm
working on presently is I'm going to be doing a
big expansion of my Latitude thirty three Key to the
Kingdom book it's time. I came out with that in
two thousand and eight, and I did a little revision,
just a little update in twenty ten or eleven. But

(01:47:44):
it's time. I've learned a bunch of stuff since, done
a bunch of research, and it's time for that to
undergo a big expansion. And I'm real excited about that.
That's my book about the esoteric engineering of Disneyland.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Ah, yes, Disneyland.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
We can talk about some of this stuff, by the way,
on the after the Power of Cast podcast, where you
can be hanging around because we won't let you leave.
We won't let you get on that clipper illustration to
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Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Walter will be back.

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