July 20, 2025 — Bigfoot Hunters David Eller and Janice Nolan - The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're in the para cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
And now here's Gene Steinberg.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now, after talking about UFOs and talking about the R
word roswell for so many weeks, we're going to focus
on monsters. Okay. Have we got two people involved in
the monster hunting game, David Eller Janice Nolan. I'm doing

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their names alphabetically, not in order of preference there, and
they've been involved in the game for quite a while.
I'm going to learn about that and about a book
called the Pagoda in the Presence of Mystery, Janet simple, John. First, here,
tell me first of all, how you got interested in

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this sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, about fifteen years ago, I met a director. His
name was Greg Eagles, and he was interested in shooting
some Native American customs and legends documentaries, kind of like
just to preserve history and stories. And so I became

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one of his camera operators because I had been a
main camera operator for fifteen years prior to that. So
he wanted my experience in filming and camera work. So
I joined his team, which was Relic Films, about around
fifteen years ago. This was in Alabama. He lived in
Alabama at the time I lived in Alabama. We've put

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out we have three documentaries and one in the works
right now. The first one was Legends of the Downey Booger,
which was on Bigfoot, because when we started interviewing the
elders of the tribes around where we were, we were
hearing so many stories and creation stories that would would
have Superloo in it, or it would have you know,

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the downy Booger, it would have all these legends of
a big foot like creature sasquatch, and so we decided that, hey,
you know, let's kind of shift what we're going to
film about on documentary into doing one on a big Foot.
And it's just like as soon as we did that,
like this big Foot black hole just opened up for

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us and we have never came out of it since
we've done, like I said, three, working on the fourth.
But the Legends of the Downey Booger is the first one,
and then then that took us into cryptic expeditions the
lands between the Lake that was in Kentucky. And then
the third one is called The Vanished, and that's going

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to be about vanishings in Cade's Cob area around Smoking Mountains,
and we do have a fourth one which will be
returned to the Land of Lakes. But now as far
as right now in June, I have changed teams. I
am now partners with David Dellar would pursue and so
we are in Colorado at the moment, and we are

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about to have some investigations this entire week. We are
working on some investigations too, and in the state of
Tennessee where he lives now. He lives in Nashville, and
I used to live in and around the Chattanooga area,
but I just moved back to Alabama. But that's just
temporary so that we both have joined teams and looking

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forward to what you know, we're going to put out
and what we're going to get into because we have
a lot of investigations as well as conferences and festivals
and podcasts coming up that we're going to be both
a part of.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Janis a couple of questions here. Where in Alabama have
you lived?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh? Around Birmingham. I grew up in Alabaster, Alabama, which
is south of Birmingham, and I went to school at
Auburn University graduated in ninety four. I've lived in many
different places in the United States, but mostly in the South,
as you can tell with my accent, so right.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, Yeah, my first wife lived in Terence City.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I know where that's at. That was very close
to me.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, and she grew up in Wio Gufka.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Now I've never heard of that one.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's near Silicaga, I know that.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Oh okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And when I started broadcasting many years ago, many many,
many years ago, I worked in Piedmont, Alabama, and also
at a station Tuscumbia. And I didn't realize living in
Tuscumbia that I was right near the Muscle Shoals Sound

(05:12):
Studios where they all that all that great music from
Muscle Shoals Sound Studios, you know, where a lot of
the famous rhythm blues acts and even the Rolling Stones.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was such a trip that that is there, isn't it.
It's like, wow, a little kidd in gym right there
in the middle of Alabama.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right. Also, I have been to Nashville. That was back
in the eighties and we spent a few really nice
stays there.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, yeah, it's totally changed.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's toutly to house.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Oh it's horrible. Nashville sucks, I'm gonna tell you. Nashville
always wanted to be across between La New York and Chicago.
Now they are that, and they can't deal with the
crime and the stupidity. So nobody go downtown that lives
in Nashville. That's all the tourists. So you know, it's
really sad what has happened to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Does the Grand Old Opry still play there?

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, you'll get shot out front.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well at least if I have to go.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Well whatever, yeah, there you go, So die.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Doing what you love.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, there is that, you know, you know, die with
you with your boots on or something. David, tell us
how you got involved in chasing strange creatures?

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Right?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, Well, many many years ago, I was eight or
nine and I came across an article and the reader's
digest about the Patterson Gimlin film. For those who don't
know what that is, that's the classic film taken by
Roger Patterson of the female Bigfoot creature walking through the creek,

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and it had the classic frame from that film that
everyone knows where she's walking, turning around to the right
and looking directly into the camera. At that point, I
had never heard of Bigfoot or cryptids, or anything like that.
I was totally in the monsters. I loved universal monsters,
I loved Alphin, Plastic fifty films, everything. So now all

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of a sudden, I was being presented with this story
that said monsters were real, and it just completely melted
my brain. And I went to Mom and I said,
are these things around here? Because I lived in a
little community in Illinois called Bingham, and I would go
out in the woods and just do my thing, you know,

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So now I'm thinking I am I being watched. And
she said, well, that says that they're in California, so
I don't think there's any around here. Well, little did
I know that Mom had actually seen one of these
creatures about ten miles from where we were living, but
she never talked about it until I was much older.
So as I grew into my teenage years, I was

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collecting everything I could find out about these monsters, every
article I could find, every program I could see. I
just I fed on it and it was important to me,
and I took it seriously. And then I began to
get into other things like lockness, monster aliens, everything that
is now associated with cryptozoology, and I amassed a huge

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Library of Information. As I graduated high school, I told
myself that I was going to be hunting these things
because I had come across the works of Ivan T. Sanderson,
who was a well known scientist, and he was also
an iconoclast who flew in the face of science even

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though he was a scientist. He investigated the stuff that
other scientists said didn't exist. And that just inspired me
to be exactly like that. When I got out of
high school, I met a woman who was also wanting
to travel, and we married and we across the country
looking for monsters, and we got into Canada. We dropped

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down into Washington and that's where I got my first
callback vocalization. Callback in Canada is where I got my
first wood knock repeat, and I just turned me on.
We began to go to other countries. I had my
first real paranormal experience in the Pyramids of the Yucatan.

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I traveled all over the country, all over various parts
of the world, and I've become known as an Indiana
Jones of cryptid honey. I take that very seriously. I
don't lie about anything I've experienced. I have no need
to lie. That only makes me look bad. If it's discovered.
It also makes Janice look bad. It makes all other

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cryptozoologists look bad because now a lie has been discovered.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
We've got David, Janis, Jeene, Tim. You're in the percast.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
I'm Opinton. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Hi, this is James Fox, director of The Phenomenon and
Moment of Contact. You're listening to the para Cast, the
gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
No, we're not talking about Harry and the henderson As.
We're talking about real stuff with David and Janie telling
us about their encounters and their investigations over the years.
I guess if there was something to do with one's
life chasing after monsters. David, I guess you can't do

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any worse. Did you actually go to higher education?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Though, No, I didn't. I'm an artist by trade, and
I was able to immediately get our directorships right out
of high school because I've trained myself and people love
what I do. A lot of the artwork you see
on my website in various places, that's all mine. I'm
well known for my monsters and dragons and women. But

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your statement was this isn't Harry and the Henderson's and
that's exactly true. The people have the idea that bigfoot
creatures in particular are like Smokey Bear, they are guardians
of the woods. And at this point, after thirty years
of research, I will tell you that the monsters of
your childhood are real. There are things out there that
can rip your head off and jam it down your gullet.

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I've seen them. Janis has seen them. We've both had
experiences with them. When I met Janie less than a
year ago, I was very impressed with her capabilities, her knowledge,
her serious attitude toward everything. We kept each other at
arm's length for a while, and then something happened and

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we just have now immediately just glommed onto each other.
She is now my partner in Pursuit, which is the
paranormal unit for the research and study of unexplained events,
which is a loosely a loose fitting group of individuals
that I call in when I need them. She is
the only person I will have as a partner. We

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think alike, we act alike. We understand each other very well,
and she is a partner in everything I am doing
now and will ever do. We are now starting filming
on some documentaries, and I think our connection allows us
to be different than other groups that are doing documentaries.

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And I'm looking forward to doing some really great things
with her documentaries, books, various publications. So this is the
dawn of a new day when it comes to cryptozoology.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm looking here at your various illustrations, and let me
tell you, I think they're really well done. You certainly
have a gift for that. And I'm looking at this
composite here of different types of creatures.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Cryptic conglomerate is what I call that.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, okay, so you've got the flying saucer, classic flying
saucer beneath, which is something that looks like a gray alien.
And we accept then that you accept that flying saucers
are piloted by gray aliens.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
No, I don't. That's the other thing that separates me
from a lot of other researchers. I don't feel that
what we call flying saucers are from outer space. The
dynamics are virtually impossible, the distances are you can't even
wrap your mind around. I believe that what we are
terming flying saucers and what we term aliens are actually

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from our own existence, our own earthly sphere. They are
coming from other dimensions. They're not from other planets. They
are from other dimensions, and they are also demonic. I'm
very Bible based, and everything that aliens are reported to
do are exactly what the Bible says that demons do,
the lights, the abductions. If you notice, there has never

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been a report where any alien talks about heaven or Hell.
They always talk about you are God, you have it
in you to be God. That's exactly what aliens are.
What demons do. They want you to believe that humans
have the capability to be their own God. So I
have a weird take on a lot of this stuff,

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and that again separates pursue from other organizations.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
David, have you ever heard of an organization or group
called the Collins Elite?

Speaker 4 (14:47):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Supposedly, this according to several people, including Nick Redfern, who's
written many books on the subject.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know, Nick, is this is a group within the
government that subscribes to the belief that UFOs are caused
by a demonic force.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well, yeah, I am familiar with that concept. I'm not
familiar with that particular group, but yeah, I think the
government knows exactly what's going on. I think many years
ago we formed a connection with demonic forces, and well,
I can go into that heavy, but it's something that

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your listeners could research, and boy, that takes you into
the whole David Ike stuff. Not that I believe everything
David Ike says that. I think he has a good
take on some of what's going on. And yeah, there
are a lot of weird things. The universe is far
weirder than what we have ever been told. And I

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think the government knows that. It's just like bigfoot creatures,
you know, where everybody wants to know, do we have one?
Have we captured them? I think yeah, the government absolutely
knows about these creatures and that they actually have some.
I have friends on the Navajo reservation in New Mexico
that report that when they have a slaughter of sheep

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that they attribute to bigfoot creatures, the government comes in
in their black trucks with their black windshields. She said, David,
we don't call the government. We don't want the government
on this reservation. So nobody here called these people. Yet
anytime there's a bigfoot activity, the government is here. How
does that happen? And so the question is why would

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the government be interested in bigfoot creatures? Well, Janis and
myself have both experienced the WO which is the weird
part of bigfoot research. These things can absolutely disappear right
in front of you. So if you're studying a creature
who has the ability to phase in and phase out,

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would that not create the greatest soldier in history. The
government doesn't do anything unless it's tied to war and winning.
So if you had a soldier that could basically be Predator,
you would win every battle. So I think something like
that is definitely going on.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sounds like the movie Predator, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, that exactly they're creating Predator.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Janice, what's your take about Dmonic UFOs.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know, I will say what he's talking about, David,
that there is a WU connection. When I first started
fifteen years ago, I was very you know, scientific based,
and like, I know, I'm never going to believe in
all this weird stuff that's out here. But every time
I have gone out, I mean I'm talking about numerous

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different WMA's or have had sightings and different states even
you know, and the common denominator are the WU like
experiences that me and my team have had And one
of the things is we always see orbs now, you know,
And at first I was like, maybe that's foxfire, maybe
it's you know, it's lightning bugs. You try to debunk

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it as much as you can when you know it's
in the middle of the winter and you know there's
no lightning bugs, and you know there's no lightning bug
that color and that is following you, that's responding to you. Yeah,
and what they are, I'm not really sure I know
their energy, but what kind of energy, I'm not really

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sure about that. I don't I don't claim to know
all the answers. Absolutely, I'm still investigating. And one of
the things too, about like what you were talking about
with trying to go back to the WU and the
alien connection. My team and I when I was with

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Relic Films, there's been numerous times when I've had lost time.
There's been newmerous times that we've had citing UFO crafts
while looking for Bigfoot and dog Man. And also David
made a point earlier about the government coming in. We've
seen the black Ops helicopters, we've seen things with cages

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being lifted up out of the WMA's I did not
see what was in the cage. I'll tell you that.
But we've seen a lot of very very unusual activities
in very high active locations where we've had sightings, and
we've had things thrown at us, we've had callbacks, we've

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had just a myriad of different experiences.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
We've got so much more with Janis and with David,
and with Gene and even sometimes Tim. You're in the
very cast.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
This is Jerome Clark, author of the UFO Encyclopedia and
other books. You're listening to the paracast.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I know David and Jenie that Tim has lots of questions,
but I wanted to just raise one comment that you
may want to refer to David. My wife's late uncle,
a guy named Lewis Caplan or evangelist. Lewis Caplan was,
as they say, a person raised as a Jew who
became an evangelist for Jesus. So a Jew for Jesus,

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and he believed, I believe from what he told us
in demonic UFOs. In fact, his wife gave us one.
Thomas is going back many thousands of years ago a book,
a sci fi book where the UFOs were demonic, and
the way to get rid of them was to cite

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a Lord's prayer. Goodbye from your experience, David, if you
encounter anything like this, does resorting to the Bible help.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I have never had to do that with bigfoot, but yes,
there are bigfoot hunters that when they are getting bluff charged,
when they are getting attacked, they quote the Lord's prayer.
For whatever reason, it works. Dog Man is the same way.
Janis and I both know a guy who was attacked
by a dog man. The only thing he could do
he couldn't raise his arm to lift his gun out

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of his holster. It was but frozen. So he began
to recite the Lord's prayer. Things got better. I absolutely
think there's a connection there. And for the audience members
who don't understand the different side, they don't understand the WU.
I don't. Maybe they all understand it after listening to
your podcast. I don't know. But the WU is side B.

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There's sight A and side B. Especially when you're researching bigfoot,
everybody always starts out on side A. You want this
to be a North American A. You want this to
be absolutely physical, subject to every physical law such as
we but it doesn't take you very long. It's you're
serious and you have boots on the ground before you
begin to start experiencing the weird side B. When you're

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on side A, you don't want anything to do with
side B because you don't want to be called crazy.
But people have experiences that can't be explained on side A,
so you begin to gravitate to side B. Well, I've
had things happen to me that are no doubt unexplainable
with what we know as physical So I am firmly

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planted on side B at this point. And I believe,
I mean, Janis can speak for herself that I think
she is also there. She's seen a lot of crazy stuff.
I've seen crazy stuff. I've had these creatures so close
to me you can hear them breathing and they sound
like Darth Vader, but there's nothing there. They have had
these things scream at me from twenty feet away and

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there's nothing there. And I called my friend on the
reservation and she said, David, now you understand why we
talk about these things the way we do. These things
are spirit beings that pass back and forth through reality. Now,
as far as being a Christian, I only know of
two types of spirits, good spirits and bad spirits, you know,

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angels and demons. So when you have a creature that
is reported to steal women, that's not light to me.
That's darkness. Now what they do with these women. Just
let your mind row. Okay, So I do think there
is a lot of darkness surrounding some of these things.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Channis, what's your opinion?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes, I know that over you know, the fifteen years,
especially when I first started, you know, we were my
team with Rollut Films was trying to interview all the
elders and the data of American tribes around our area,
and one of the things that they would say constantly
were what David just pointed out, that they were a

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physical creature being that could travel to the spirit world
and back. And of course we were like, yeah, okay,
you know at first, and until I started experience it
in numerous different places and numerous different oh goodness, and
all the WMAs and every single sighting I've ever had

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has been in a WMA. And why is that? As well?
Government knows about it and they're controlling it. But yeah, definitely,
everything that he just said a one hundred percent subscribed to.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Here's a question as bigfoot researchers like Jenison myself, as
UFO researchers, as ghost hunters were hunting the same We're
hunting three different types of entities with the same equipment,
and we're having success with all three disciplines. That tells
me that it all is based in one area. There's

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something going on. It's why what I call a hitchhiking
phenomenon happen. You're hunting bigfoot and you see a UFO,
or you're hunting lake monsters and you see a bigfoot,
or you're doing a ghost investigation and you come up
on a UFO. Why are these things all happening at
the same point, because they're all coming from the same sources.

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And how do you how do you have an animal,
if you believe side A, how do you have an
animal that can leave a single track, nothing before it,
nothing after it, a single track. I myself have found
a single large human footprint. Where's the rest footprints? So
it's like something phases in, takes a step and phases out.

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That's not a natural creature, that's something other.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
Well do you think about it? Also, people report seeing
these creatures and they're they're huge. I mean, you know,
seven foot being on the small size. Yeah, with some
of them.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Well fifteen, you know, fifteen there are reports of twenty
five foot tall giants in Canada. So does that take
us to the Nephelon? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
And if these were physical creatures at that size, you
would think that they'd be seen a lot more often.
I mean, they'd tower over the trees and houses.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, So they phase in, they phase out. They're only
seen when they want to be seen. And I think
a lot of that is to say you can't take me.
We are in control, and that that is a that's
another one of those control things that demons want. And
you can think I'm crazy all you want, but like
I say, we both have seen things that are not

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natural and.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
They like instances where, you know, speaking for myself, I
guess we have had things come charging at us through
the woods, okay, and we've got our cameras, everything rolling,
you know, got our RDO on, and by the time
we should see it, it goes silent and we're like, okay,

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where is it? You know, and then you see this
orb and it's always the orbs for me. Whenever I
go out and I'm not sure exactly why that is
different color orbs, but there's been times when we did
get a sighting and you know, peeking around the tree
and all of a sudden we go back to where
the tree is, you know, going forward and trying to

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film it, and then it's just gone. So where does
it go? It just like disappears. That's happened numerous times.
And what David is saying about his footprints, you know,
where did they go? I've experienced that numerous times over
the years of myself too. You're talking about very large creatures.
I've gotten, you know, cast of very small individuals. So

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you know, that was only one time out in Georgia
and was investigating around the Fort Mountain where Georgia where
the Moon eight People legend is and out there was
my team. We had gotten tracks, very small individual tracks

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stasquat and they're so fat, like you can totally tell.
It's not a human footprint, a little child footprint, you
could totally tell. But also again it's not a primate.
I hate to say that. It's its own thing. And
if anybody wants to think that this thing that we're
looking for as far as big fit gaves or dog

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Man thinks that it is some dumb creature out in
the woods. No, no, no, no, what is the smartest
animal or creature on this planet? One that man cannot find?
So this creature is amazingly intelligent with lots of different
gifts maybe that we have but we just haven't accessed
or we've forgotten over the years. I'm not really sure

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how to go with that. You know, science says that
we only use what lit'll tained, a tiny part of
our brain. What's the other part of our brain for
let's go, you know, let's access that. Let's see what
that's about. Maybe these type of creatures that God has made,
maybe they are accessing the rest of their brain and
we have forgotten how. And I think that that is

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such an intriguing thought for me, and I really would
love to pursue investigations with David in trying to validate
that point.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right there, we've got Jannis Nolan, David Eller, Jean Steinberg,
Tim Schwartz in as many incarnations you're in the Peru.

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Speaker 2 (30:21):
Let me cut back with something here, Janie and David,
and that is, do either of you believe that there
are legitimate beings from other planets that might be visiting us?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, definitely, I do. I think that just in the
Bible line, if you want to believe that the Bible
is a word of God, which I do, it says
that God loves all of his creation. And we would
be so absolutely just dumb if we thought we were
the only thing in this universe, in this galaxy that

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has intelligent life. And I think that makes us a
little lower on the scale of intelligence if we think that,
because there are so many things that are out there
that are magnificent. Look at what's in the deep sea,
I mean wow, And we don't even know what twenty
percent of what's there. We know a little bit more,

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maybe say about our skies, but we don't know certainly
nothing about that. And I think that when things visit,
they know where to go, they know where to go
to hide from us. I mean We're easily spotted, we're
easily distracted. Everybody's got their cell phone in their face.
We're sitting right out here, and I'm watching people go

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in and out of Walmart because that's where we're at,
and everybody's on their cell phone and nobody's watching where
they're going. You know, car just about hit a lady
just now, And so we're these things. All they have
to do is hide in plain sight because we're not
paying attention to the first place. Now, there is a
lot of people that try to focus on things like this.

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You will get that evidence if you try hard enough,
I guess you'd say, over the years and years and years.
And that gets me to another point. Now, if you're
going out and you're getting a lot of activity every time,
that kind of I mean, good for you, But that's
not been my experience over the fifteen years. Now, when
I go out, probably maybe twenty percent of the time

(32:18):
or maybe even less, I even get any kind of
activity whatsoever. Now you got eighty percent of the time
when I'm visiting these places like every weekend whatever, that
my team and I have not gotten any activity whatsoever.
So David and I we went on three different investigations
in Tennessee, and out of those three, I think only

(32:42):
one that we did get like a MF blip, and
that was about it. Nothing definitive. But once again, that's
a connection between bigfoot supernatural ghost like kind of hunting
that they're gonna make the EMF go off. And I've
captured disembodied voices. There you go. See, I was strictly

(33:03):
a big foot hunter and I've captured ghostly voices on
my audio recorder. I've captured visuals of ghosts going across
the field. At Macintosh, I saw a Native American warrior
on a white horse, and I didn't even know that
Macintosh was used to be a horse a Native American

(33:28):
horse ranch. I guess you would say that's where they
kept the horses. I didn't know that until afterwards when
the ranger told me the story, and I was like,
oh my goodness, one of I seeing residual energy. You know,
I'm not sure, but it was just absolutely fantastic. And
the story about that is not only did I see that,
but so did Greg, my research partner in the director

(33:49):
of Relic Films. Did we have a camera at the time. No,
And whenever you're going to have your best sightings. That's
when you're not micd up. You don't have a camera
in your face, you know, or on you on, and
that's when you're gonna have to hear best sightings. One
of the things I've always said that I always say

(34:09):
now is before I even get to location. I I've
got everything running before I get at the car. And
that's the way I'm gonna, you know, pursue things with pursue.
Eh I like that. Perceived, Thanks, so perceive what David.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Let me make one's comment about something you just said
about researching. The first investigation that Jannis and I did together,
we were hunting Harry monsters, but we were talking to
these creatures with EMF meters that we figured out a
way that they could talk to us yes and no.
If the answer is yes, make the lights go. If

(34:47):
the answer is no, make the lights go. We were
talking to these creatures. We were supposedly out there looking
for Harry giants, but now we're talking to these things
with EMF meters. They were telling us you can't sleep here,
you can't well behind this structure. We are coming from
that direction and we are here for the women. We
learned this on any MF meter. So yeah, Janis and

(35:08):
I have a long way to go as research partners,
but we have already started really getting into the nitty
gritty with this stuff. And I am so proud to
work with Janis and I'm just so happy to be
her partner in anything. Now, let's talk about the Bible.
The members of Pursue don't have to agree. That's the
beauty part of this group. We have the ability to

(35:31):
disagree on anything. Janis and I don't see the same
way on a lot of stuff. I've never found anything
in the Bible. And I've been a Christian for a
long time. My dad was a Baptist minister, so I
was raised in Bible. I was raised in church, and
I had access to a lot of information book wise.
I've never found anything in the Bible that tells me

(35:53):
there is anything beyond this earth. That's why we are
truly unique. That's why God's love is shaw on us,
because we are his unique creation. Jesus was sent as
salvation for the earth alone. I totally believe that. And
like I have said before, I don't think there's anything

(36:13):
out there. The distances, the physics, everything says it's impossible
that doesn't happen. But I do absolutely believe that what
we are calling UFOs aliens creatures from other planets, I
think are from our earthly existence. Whether that's other realms

(36:34):
of the dimension, all of that is yet to be ascertained.
That is my take on it.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
All right, this question is for both David and Janice.
One can answer then the next. But I'm curious about
your first bigfoot hunts, not together, but you know the
first time that you went out looking for these things?
What is difference on how you went out then and

(37:03):
how you would do it now? And then what happened
the first time, you know, the first few times you
went out.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well, the first time I went out with my crew
was in Alabama and it was the Bankhead National Forest
in Alabama, close to Double Springs. I was turned into
this place and it became our habituation site for probably
twelve years. When I say habituation sites, we go out
there like every week, every weekend. Numerous times we camp

(37:35):
out there. We were turned onto this area by a
researcher friend of ours named Paul Holsey. He just passed
away this last year, and so we would go to
this one area bankhead. And the thing that you know
when we first went in was we we didn't go

(37:57):
in miked up. We didn't go in with our cameras
rolling as soon as we hit the forest. And so
the thing that I would change that I have changed
now is before you get out of the car, you
got your mic roling, you got everything there with you.
And another thing that I don't do is I don't

(38:17):
do tree knocking. And I don't even though I could
do it. You know, I've done it numerous times before,
and I've heard it before out in the forest too,
but now it's the way that I go about investigating
my team and I we evolved over the years. When
we first went out there, we was doing all the

(38:39):
crazy heaping and dollar and tree knocking, acting crazy without
our MIC's on, and you know, oh, oh my god,
I got to turn my mic O. Now the next
time is that we went out, and like now is
of course we get ready beforehand and we don't really
do anything in particular to attract them. We just sit

(39:04):
in base camp and we just out and holler and
have a good time laughing with each other, okay, and
just acting normal. And I'm telling you when you first
go in every time, almost every time, that's when we
get our activity. And when we're leaving we get more activity.
So we have had changed the way that we researched

(39:28):
by not going out and kind of pursuing them, but
letting them come in and be comfortable with us, by
having an habituation site that we went to, and they
got used to us being around. We got used to
the sounds of the flora and fauna around us, you know.
And so that's how I changed as a researcher. Now

(39:50):
we got more.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
With Janis and David and Gene and Tim. You're in the.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
Birkust repeating We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Hi, this is Bryce Label. I'm the producer of Dark Skies,
the co author of ad After Disclosure, and you are
listening to the Para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
The Para Quartet continues. Janice was telling us how she
made these creatures more relaxed. It almost sounds like when
we see feral cats in our neighborhood and this is
a place for us to live at where this one
cat kept passing by and we left her water. Of course,

(40:42):
that meant that she'd come back, and then we left
her food, and then two or three others finally came
and showed up. But eventually, of course what we did
is we contact an agency that would protect them and
find them new owners. So I guess making creatures feel offertable,
that's as far as I get. Obviously you went a

(41:03):
lot farther right.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
And one of the things I want to talk about
too about that is that I changed in my investigation is,
you know, pursuing them. But I had the very early
parts I would use myself because I was the only
female in my group. I would stupidly use myself as
bait to draw them out by being alone. And I

(41:28):
don't do that anymore after I've had my sightings and
my activities, bluff charges and things thrown at me. No,
I do not go into the woods by myself, period,
and I do not suggest anybody, whether they're male or female,
go out there, because that's what one of the documentaries
made with Relative Films is on called The Vanished, and

(41:51):
it'said about people who have just disappeared in the state parks,
especially around the Cade's Cave Smooking Mountain area, and a
lot of that does not get out to the public
about how many people you know go missing where they
go and yeah, some of them are out there, get
lost and turned around and succumbing to the elements, absolutely,

(42:11):
or maybe even a mountain lion or black bear. You know,
there is a sinister side too, and that side really
kind of creeps me out. Now, not that I'm afraid
because if I do see some evidence or if I'm
that crazy person that's going to go for it. I
love the adrenaline Russia. I just got to know. But

(42:32):
I'm going to respect this whatever it is Bigfoot. I
you know, over the years also I have learned just
through what Jane Goodall says. You know, if you're coming
into contact with a like say, silverback gorilla, which is
the only thing I can really describe the things I've
seen to it. Okay, but they're they're not a gorilla.

(42:54):
Big difference. But that's the closest thing I can my
mind can wrap around it. I will go into a
feudal position and not give this thing I contact. That
is my plan of attack from now going forward.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
And David, what about you?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Before I get started, I will say that Janis is right,
women especially should never go out in the woods by themselves.
These things are attracted to women for a lot of
different reasons, all bad. There are Native American stories, there
are stories come out of Russia that talk about these
things kidnapping women, and sometimes they come back pregnant, which
is an entirely different subject and something that fascinates me,

(43:38):
and I'm doing a lot of research on that. But anyway,
when I first started, I did the classic everything the
wood knocks, the vocalizations I have learned, or I think
I've learned, we don't really know. Here's my quote is
the more you learn, the less you know. And I
know less now after thirty years of research than I

(44:00):
did when I started, because I've learned so much. So
I think I've learned that the wood knocks are a language,
and we don't know what we're saying. It's fun to do,
but we don't know what we're saying. We may be
cussing them out. So I do it once in a while,
but for the most part, I have completely quit doing that.
I do use various other sounds to draw things in,

(44:24):
and as you do this, you begin to pick up
on little ways that you may do something, and it
seems like you get activities, so you try to concentrate
on those things. If they seem to work, you continue
with it. But sound, especially is something that they gravitate toward.
They seem to be curious about any new sounds that

(44:44):
could be music that could be like I'll use hower monkeys,
sounds from Japanese zoos to bring things in various types
of music, drumming, human voice, these things seem to gravitate
towards female voices and the voices of young people as
they play. Yes, so absolutely, I think high pitched ranges

(45:07):
bring them in a little bit more. Uh, Janice and
I are working on some techniques that are absolutely controversially
new and could be dangerous. But this is where we are.
Neither one of us are frightened of any of this.
If you look at some of our reels, I say,
we're too cool to run, and that's who we are.

(45:28):
I don't have anything to be afraid of. Jane's Janice
doesn't have anything to be afraid of. It's you know,
we're very secure in who we are and we go
out there and conquer, but.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
We will respect it. That's that's the big difference for me.
Like I will respect this Uh, this creature and it
can tear you and repute to shreds. That's why I
will do what Jane Goodall says, and you know, not
maintain eye contact and go into a submissive uh form.

(45:59):
And then if I have to run, I'll run. But
I haven't had to run yet, and thank goodness, Yeah
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Run, right, Yeah? No, And like I say, she and
I have different views on things, and that's beautiful. That's
what this is all about. Nobody knows anything at this point.
Anybody that you talk to that says they're a bigfoot expert,
you might as well turn around and walk away. There
are no bigfoot experts at this point. The people you
see on television who tout themselves as knowing everything, they

(46:29):
know nothing. And that what separates me again from other
people is that I'm I don't have a problem telling
you I don't know, and most people find that refreshing.
They'll come to me later saying, you know, I'm so
tired of seeing these people on television giving me this information.
Is if it's the absolute truth, and we don't even
know what the truth is yet, how can it be absolute.

(46:49):
So that's where Jennis and I I think are unique
in the bigfoot slash cryptozoology realm. And I'm just I'm
so excited to get started here in Colorado with her.
So we will let you know about all the stuff
we investigate here.

Speaker 8 (47:08):
We had a guest on the para cast it's been
a couple of years now, who he and his team
were looking at an area in the South that he
referred to as the Southern Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
Yeah, okay, Well, as you know, I mean it, there's
a lot of weird things going on there, you know,
UFOs Ghoest, Bigfoot, weird people showing up out of nowhere.
But one of the interesting things that he said was that,
in his opinion, you could go to just about any place,

(47:49):
you know, in the woods, in a field someplace, and
eventually weird phenomena will start to happen. Now, based on
the investigations that you both have done, do you find
that there are areas that are better that you can

(48:10):
pretty much always get some kind of activity or you know,
or would you agree that you know, maybe if you
just go anywhere and wait that something's going to happen, let's.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Well, one of the things that I have noticed is
you're gonna Every sighting of her has been on WMA's
you know, and it's always been around water and a
lot of them have been around cave systems, and interestingly,

(48:45):
there's been areas of high limestone and quartz concentration. And
I'm not sure if that quartz concentration is fueling the
spiritual energy or creating portals. I'm not really sure about that,

(49:05):
like David said. And I'm very honored to be a
part of David's team with his experience, because he has
way more experience than I do in this field. I've
just got fifteen years, but I do have boots on
the ground. I do have that, you know, going out
everywhere anywhere kind of mentality and experience. And I love

(49:28):
it that he does too. He did not have free
to go anywhere, and that's what I needed in a partner.
And so I think the common denominator, like I said,
with the limestone, quartz, water case system and federally protected land.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Hey, we're going to have more to talk about with
Janice and David, Gene and Tim. To stay with us.
You're in Little purcaust.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
This is Jennifer Stein, executive producer of the Disclosure dialogues.
You're listening to the parent cast, the gold standard of
paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Something occurs to me here, Janice, and that is you
and David have had comments about whether life exists another
part of the universe, and you talk about other dimensions. Now,
that's like another place, whether it's in this dimension or
another dimension, it's another source of life. But what is

(50:41):
it possible here? Is it possible that when you go
through the portal to go from one dimension to another,
you're really going to another part of the universe, almost
like a stargate?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I absolutely believe that one hundred percent, like a warm
pile does that you're talking about, correct, right?

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I I completely one hundred percent believe that. And I
do have a friend of mine, Trey Hudson, that has
a book called The Meadow Projects. He's working on a
documentary would be out very soon, very nice individual. He
has an area in Alabama. Ain't gonna give it away
where it is, but I've been there numerous times and

(51:25):
it is like the skinwalk or ranch, and there has
been ortal activity there, a land activity. Now the two
times I've been then getting no kind of activity. But
you know, but my friends who are very highly you know,
respected in the field and very just down to earth

(51:47):
people that would never lie to you or mislead you.
You know, they have had these experiences. They've all been
affected on the same level too, with different kinds of sticknesses,
and I say they all have coming down with cancer.
We just lost one of them. His name was Grumpy

(52:07):
Bob Wilson and he was a paranormal bigfoot investigator for years.
He was in the military as well as he was
a retired police officer. He just passed away this last
year to and it was from cancer. And was it
because of where they were, you know, researching and filming

(52:28):
and investigating. I really believe it is. I believe somehow
that all of these individuals on that team I've been
exposed to high levels of radiation from these portal activities
opening because they have a film Grumpy going through a
Portal in film through the Flear So that will be

(52:51):
on that documentary that is a h Trey Hudson's The
Meadow project, So that will be coming out very soon.
If you look at up on Facebook, you'll see his trailers.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
What kind of cancer or was it different kinds of cancer?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You know, it was all different kinds because there was
like a woman that passed away on their team. There
was another guy. You know, I don't want to speak
too much about what cancers was. You know, everybody had,
but it was different kinds, yes it was, and enough
to where they all had, you know, three people on

(53:29):
their team that passed away. And I think, you know,
look at it all. I'm's been sick with it and
three people passed away and that defies statistics, right.

Speaker 10 (53:38):
There was it a specific age or what well, I
will say Grumpy was approaching own eighty years old, and
you know that one could have been completely natural.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
But when he was diagnosed was very shortly after the
portal was filmed in him disappearing and ended up on
different side of the meadow. That whole UH investigation is
just intriguing, and you know, UH, they get into the
quantum physics and and they get into different theories about

(54:15):
what could have happened. And I think that you guys
would be very interested in UH and in that book
and what he has found over at the meadow, because
it was pretty intriguing. But now I will say the
two three times I've been there, nothing happened for me.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So, yep, don't you think you're taking a chance here
if people get cancer?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah? And you know, yes, yes, yes I did because
me and my research partner at the time was like,
I'll go do that and get cancer. What in the world,
you know, And so we took a Geiger counter with
us and because I'm like, oh, you know, if I
get a blip on this Geiger counter, my little bets
out of here. And I didn't get a single nothing. Nothing.

(55:02):
We didn't even see an orb that night, I mean
where we usually see orbs every night, you know, we
we didn't capture anything except a weird.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Like a vocal.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
That's all we got, was like a vocal on a
couple of knocks the two three times I was out there.
But now, once again, you know, when you go out,
you cannot be guaranteed activity. You know, maybe they're not there,
maybe who knows, but you know, there are places where
people do get continuous activity. I guess if they're living

(55:37):
on their property and very very used to the person.
Whoever you know that person is. I got a friend
that has them on her property and she has a
lot of you know, interaction with them. That's different, you know,
but you're going out at an habitual habituation site, you
know it's going to be hit and miss if you're

(55:58):
gonna get some But now, like I said earlier, if
you're going and get some activity, it's gonna be at
the very beginning or when you're packing up and leaving.
It's like they're coming to see what's going on. And
definitely when you go to sleep, when you go to sleep,
you're gonna be here in all kinds of things. But
of course, when you're in a tent by yourself, or
say a hammock in a very big hot spot for

(56:21):
bigfitt like that, a little mouse going through the campground's
gonna sound like, you know, Godzilla, because your imagination is
a little freaked out, you know. So, yeah, you have
to That's why you have to have perimeter cameras. You
have to have equipment running just yes and up and
always even the audio at night it runs to see

(56:43):
if I can get anything captured during you know, sleeping time.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Going back to the cancer again, how old would the
other victims?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Oh, okay, well I didn't become a part of this investigation.
One was a female by my age or maybe younger.
I'm fifty five, and I don't know who the other
guy was, but I do know that, like in that
whole group, they all did and it's different ages. Most

(57:14):
of them is most of them in that group. There
there's some that I think in their late twenties and
all the way up to Grumpy was on masts eighty.
So there's many different and this group has nothing but
like uh, military, Uh there's a nurse, there's police officers.
People who have these observation skills that are matched by

(57:36):
no other humans. You know, they're they're they're taught to
be an objective observer. They're taught to look at things
that normal people don't look at and to get the
evidence that normal people don't get. I think, you know,
there are so many different individuals in that career choice,
military as well as uh, you know, police officers. There

(58:00):
are so many in this field, bigfoot that and that's
why because they've seen stuff. When they're out on the
on the beat, you know, they say stuff. Get the
graveyard shift. Yeah, they're saying stuff all over Alabama and Georgia,
especially North Georgia.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I will say that if you can get police or
park rangers to talk to you you will get your
best stories. I've got absolutely incredible stories from park rangers.
But police and park rangers can't talk about they they
can't even report what they see because they tend to
get fired. They will have to take a site test
and then they get fired. And so yeah, I totally

(58:39):
agree with that. But let me do we have time
for me to answer a question.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Quickly, but we can always break up the question pick
up on the next segment.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Okay, well, I wanted to address the earlier question about
sites where there are activity and what's a good place
to go and what it's not a good place to go.
So that's going to be a loan long answer. Then
we can get into dimensional travel because I do believe
that's that's part of what's going on every society in history.

(59:09):
Every people have had stories about fairies and creatures of
other realms, and I think there are absolutely other dimensions
and realms that parallel ours that how it works, I
don't know, but people have seen these things that shouldn't
be there, that seem to be from other existences. And

(59:31):
why would people like Arthur Conan Doyle risk his reputation
by reporting that he saw what he could only describe
as a fairy funeral.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
We've got David Heller, Jennis Nolan, sheen Steinberg, Tim Schwartz, You're.

Speaker 8 (59:47):
In the pedagost.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
This is me, the person you are listening to cast
the gold standard of paranormal radio exactly, including my land.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Now, the thing I'm wondering about here is I'd love
to see a dimensional portal, but if you can possibly
get some kind of radiation sickness. And I'm a little
bit older than you guys, I don't think I would
really want to get there. Tim, have you noticed in
your research over the years any tendency of people in
and around dimensional portals, so to speak, have had greater

(01:00:39):
instances of illnesses?

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
M Yeah, I mean I think it specifically of people
who have been associated with close encounters UFO phenomena, that
there has been a number of instances of people coming
down with especially cancers after these encounters, you know, and

(01:01:06):
when it comes to investigating areas that that have a
lot of activity of whatever kind, you know, as David
pointed out, you know UFO's bigfoot ghosts, they all kind
of run hand in hand that these these temporary exposures

(01:01:32):
will add up. Yeah, So I mean if you're a
dedicated say like Bigfoot hutter, and you know, go out
every weekend, then an exposure for somebody who has only
goes once or twice a year is going to be minimal.
But somebody who does it all the time, it's it's
going to add up. It's like, be it exposed to

(01:01:54):
h X rays if that's part of your job. Supposure
to X rays could cause leukebia. So yes, I mean
it's I've seen this throughout paranormal history. Anyway, David, I
want to continue with what you were saying about locations

(01:02:18):
and whether or not there are hotspots, you know, when
it comes to looking for cryptids, or if they can
happen anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
What do you think right Well, I believe that you
can be anywhere and experience high weirdness. I think this earth,
this universe is full of it, and there's always the
potential no matter where you are, to experience something paranormal.
Some people actually draw this to them, like magnets, and

(01:02:50):
so those type people can have these experiences in Walmart,
let's say, where I'm sitting right now. But if if
you are out there, let's just talk about Bigfoot. If
you're out there, on a regular basis. You tend to
find spots that seem to be very active. When I
first discovered the Pagoda site, I look back now and

(01:03:13):
I realized that they knew I was there from day one,
and they were they were talking about me, so to speak.
As soon as I would walk into the woods, I
was hearing things that I couldn't identify until weeks later
as Bigfoot contact. And as many times as I went there,

(01:03:34):
I researched that spot for over a year. Virtually every
time I went, I either got vocalizations, wood knocks, messing
with my experiments, punking me. These creatures would actually punk me.
And so I think, if you can cultivate a spot,
you will definitely have lots of activity. But I think

(01:03:56):
I believe every place that has deer activity you can
have potential Bigfoot activity. Those two things go together. Like
Jennas said, water, always make sure you're around water if
you're researching Bigfoot. These these things tend to appear around waterways, streams, creeks, ponds, lakes.

(01:04:20):
Water can create its own energy and be a force
in itself. But the more you go out, the more
you're gonna find. You can't sit on your couch watching
Bigfoot programs and expect to learn anything. You've got to
be boots on the ground, find a place that you
feel is right, and just start researching. And I believe

(01:04:42):
sooner or later you're gonna have some sort of activity
that you can't explain. Now, obviously, everything you hear or
see you can't relate to Bigfoot. You've got to to
strain everything that you hear and see and try to
debunk your But there are some things that you're not
going to be able to debunk. So yes, I believe

(01:05:05):
that virtually any place can be a paranorm a portal.

Speaker 8 (01:05:11):
All right, let's since you brought it up, let's talk
about your book, The Pagoda in the Presence of Mystery.
What's this book about?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
This is a kind of a journal, diary kind of book,
and it tells the story, day by day of my
exploration of a site forty miles from Nashville, Tennessee. I
won't tell you where it is because I don't want
people to go in and destroy these pagodas. But I

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had been there. I found the first pagoda, and these
things are like, imagine a igloo made from trees, bent
over toward the center and beyond braided to a tree
on the other side. And then they would find two
more trees and bend them over, braid them together. And

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these braids are designed to keep the trees from springing apart.
The first one I found was twenty different trees that
had been absolutely braided together. I called a friend of
mine who is a musiologist. He has created seven museums
in his lifetime, so I felt that he knew. He's
also a member of Pursued. He knew what to look for,

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so I didn't mention the word braid. So I let
him look at this and he would get up on it,
admire what he was looking at, get back up on
the braid, and he said, David, these are braided. And
I think were because I didn't want to color your
vocabulary or your thoughts, but yeah, you're playing that, and

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he said, this is and he began to describe. I've
my sisters were braiders. I grew up with women who braided,
and these are absolutely braided. Now, these structures are braided,
every tiny little ranch, twig, everything. It's like they can't
stop braiding. They just want everything to be connected. Now,
could humans do this. Yeah, if you had ladders and

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pulleys and ropes and a lot of time, yes, humans
could do this. But there's nothing holding these things together.
No wires, no strings, no nail stables, nothing. It's a
completely natural creation. It's very aboriginal, but it's so beautiful.
I have to look at it as art. I think
these creatures are interpreting their surroundings by using their surroundings. Well,

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it wasn't but a couple weeks later, I had my
friend back and he was helping research this first one.
Now I've been up and down these trails one hundred
times and I knew what was there. I said, you
handled this one. You get some shots of this one.
I'm going to go on up the trail. Well I
suddenly run into another pagoda. I absolutely knew it was
less than a week og because I was there the

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previous week. So I called him back in and we
got pictures of that, a brand new pagoda. And if
I believe that these may be some sort of art,
I would think as an artist, I'm going to sign
my work. Well, each of these pagodas, and I've found
three so far, they're all signed by what I call axes.

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They take a big flat stone, set it between two
small saplings, and they begin to twist and braid the
tops of these, so now it looks like an axe
sitting on its head. And each one of these have
an axe. The largest one, the largest pagoda that I've found,
which is thirty by twenty, has seven different axes associated

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with it, four up close to it and three at
a distance. Two of the axes are so old that
they have grown the tree has grown around the stone.
There's no way that you can get the stone out
of the tree without cutting the tree down. So that
tells me this third pagoda is way older than the
first two. There's I had many, many experiences here. Some

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researchers call this the Holy Grail of bigfoot sites because
of all the things that I've experienced here. They will
actually punk me and draw me to a site and
not be there. So I'll go back to a pagoda.
They begin to make more noise. I'll have to go back,
and there's nothing there. I'll go back to the pagoda.
They draw me back to where I started four times.

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They had done this to me once and then I
had to realize that they're punking me. They're trying to
see how many times I will go back somewhere to
investigate noise. So I have to feel that they are
as interested in me as I am in them. They're
researching me and seeing how many times they can make
the guy in the hat come back and research.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
We have David, Janis, Gena, and Tim, and we're looking
into other realms.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
You're in a pirro cast.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
This is Chris rit Koski and this is the paracast,
the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
In the previous segment one only Tim Swartz presented a
voice from another realm. HM, David, we interrupted you in
the middle of your response, because that's our want when
you have time limitations for seeds.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Well. Also, I think there's a little bit of a
what I call a crib factor to these pagodas. Now
gorillas do this, orangutans do this. Chimpanzees will create a
spot to put the kids while mom and dad go foraging.
I can see that as part of the function of
these creations, because they're not weathers, is that there's no

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way you could live in these things. There's way too
much open space. But I do believe that the young
ones might stay there while mom and dad go find
something to eat. And if I do believe that, which
I do, I should have some sort of sighting of
a young one in association with this first pagoda, which

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I did. I walked right up on fifteen feet away
from what I believe is a young one. It was
the color of a fox, you know, the reddish auburn
fur color. It was so much like that that I thought, oh,
there's a fox. But then I realized this is way
bigger than a fox, and my mind was trying to
wrap itself around this image, and I said, so, it's

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a fawn. It was sitting there waiting for you know,
waiting for me to walk by, and I got too close.
But again I had to realize, this is way too big.
What I saw of it, and I saw the back
of it on the ground before it gravitated out in
a spider crawl. This thing was the color of all
reported young ones and what I saw of it. Its

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back was about three feet tall or long, depending on
how you look at it. If it's laying on its
stomach on the ground, it would be long, probably two
feet wide. And the only thing I can describe it
as is like a wombat, a really large wombat. Of course,
we don't have wombats in Tennessee. It had its head

(01:12:25):
in hair on top of its head, which made it
look like the nose. If anybody they would see this
running landscape would think that tuft of hair was the nose.
But I think what's going on that was a tuft
of hair. Its eyes was facing downward. If we think
that bigfoot creatures can't turn at the neck, they have
to turn at the waist. Some people deny that, but

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I mean a lot of people say that they have
to turn at the waist because their necks don't function
correctly like humans would. Then it would follow that they
can't raise their head up very much. So it never
raised its head up. It was almost like someone had
a rope pulling this thing out of the vicinity. It
did not undulate like a normal animal, like bounding like

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any animal would do. It was completely flat and just
moved quickly out of the area like someone was tugging
on it. If it is a crib, we have the
question of how would a young one entertain itself while
mom and dad are way well in the floor of
this first pagoda, there are sticks all broken off the

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same size, and they're all stacked in different ways. So
you think to yourself, what would a young bigfoot creature
use as toys? Well, it would make its own Lincoln logs.
It would build stuff emulating the parents who made this pagoda. Well,
what I'm saying is that you know, bigfoot young theoretically
create their own toys, and that would be through creating

(01:13:51):
their own Lincoln logs. That way they could build and
emulate their parents building pagodas and things of that nature.
And the bigfoot brain autistic brain theory goes right along
with that. There is one author who says that, you know,
the autistic brain is very orderly, and if you go

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into an autistic person's house or room, you see that
all the books are categorized size wise, polar wise, the cups,
the crayons, the pencils are all orderly. And that's what
I'm seeing in the floor of this first pagoda. There
is an order where there should be no order. You know,
you're in nature, there should be chaos. Chaos is rains

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in nature. Why is all of this order in the
bottom of this beautiful orderly structure, and that's one of
the most fascinating things about this entire site. This is
a one hundred and fifty acre site owned by the government.
There we go again. They advertise it. Well, let's put

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this away. They don't deny that it's there, but they
don't advertise it. You can hike they are all you want,
but virtually no one does because they kind of don't
let you know it's there. And I think it's absolutely
a big foot site that the government is trying to
keep under wraps. There are vast areas of forest all
around this site, so these creatures could come and go

(01:15:18):
any time they want. But I think they see it
as a sanctuary because all around you can hear guns
being fired, you know, just average Joe's target practicing. So
this one spot, this one hundred and fifty acres spot,
is immune to that, and I think they know it.
And when I would walk in, they would absolutely let

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me know that they were there through wood knocks, through
the creation of structures. They did a woodpecker knock that
I heard the very first time I was there. Now,
I've never seen a woodpecker at this site, but yet
I continually hear woodpeckers. Well, one day I was walking
through and I'm doing some preliminary wood knocks, which, like
I say, I don't do a whole lot of anymore.

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But at this time I was and I found two
trees that were growing really close together, and I just
put my mallet in between them and I went between
them like and I realized that is the sound that
I keep hearing. It always hit me as like this
sounds like a woodpecker, but it doesn't sound like a woodpecker.
Is something different, and that I believe is because it's
a fake woodpecker sound. And I think this was a

(01:16:22):
signal that that guy's coming through again. And one day
I did that and I got an answer. Woodpeckers don't
communicate with wood knocks. The pecking that a woodpecker does
is designed to I mean, they do that to hunt
food and bark. Woodpeckers have a distinct sound that they
make of vocalization, so they don't communicate with wood knocks.

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So why would another woodpecker imitate my sound? So I
did it again. I got another sound similar from to
my left. Well, then I thought, well, what if I
try a variation like a morse code. My dad was
a Morse coder in the army, So I just did
a fake Morse code. Will I get another imitation from

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the right. So now I'm talking to Woody woodpecker and
I'm talking to Morse at the same time. And then
I thought, after a little bit of that, I thought, well,
what if I just do an Indie and drum beat.
So I began to put a Native American similation kind
of a thing. Will I get a third imitation right
in front of me? So now I'm talking to three

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different creatures at the same time, and we carried this
on for five or ten minutes before some hikers came through.
Once these creatures shut down, you can't get them to
start back up. They're done, They're gone. So I believe
there are or were, at least three creatures that I
dealt with at this site. There could be more, but
I know for a fact there's three because I communicated

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with three at the same time. Now this site seems
to have dried up. I think creatures move as they
want to. There's only three reasons why animals move food, water,
or reproduction. If you can't get one of those at
a site, you move on to somewhere else, and I
think they kind of devastated this entire area of food

(01:18:07):
because they will eat anything. They'll eat eggs, birds, bugs, leaves, plants, slugs,
you name it, and they will devastate an area. And
I think they just depleted the area. That's why you
don't have a lot of bigfoot creatures, like a lot
of them in one area, because you can only sustain
so many creatures in a given area. So I think

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they do leave. So that goes back to that question
of active sites. You know, you may have activity for
a year and then it dries up and you won't
have it again until everything comes back alive, leaves, the
bugs come back in So but yeah, the book itself
is published by Premium Press America. If you want a copy,

(01:18:48):
you can talk to Betty and I will give you
that number. It is six one five three, five three
seven nine zero two. Again that is six one, five three,
five three seven nine zero two. You can also get
it at my lectures any of the conferences that I attend.
I will always have them there for you. But you

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will talk to Betty. If you call, bring impresses, talk
to Betty and she will take care of you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Okay, that's the plug. We'll get the bill later on.
Seriously speaking, here, you mentioned Woody Woodpecker cartoon character. I
don't remember that character even being included in recent cartoons
or anything that goes back quite a few years. It
aiges us all, but everything ages me. So I really

(01:19:34):
have nothing to do about that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
I just actually they did, or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Protect you can say, you can answer on the next segment,
or perhaps she'll just figure it my age. I'm just
going to go on to another planet soon. David Eller, Channis,
Nolan sheen Steinberg, Tim Schwartz, All this means you're in
Little Pedecost.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
I'm repeating, We're not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Hi, this is Tracy Torme, screenwriter, producer.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
You're listening to para Cast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So, David, when I mentioned the character Woody Woodpecker, something
I remember from my childhood sort of. I was more
into bugs, Bunny and Elmer Fudd and that sort of stuff.
What were you about to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Say, Well, they actually have done a new version of that.
You know, Walter Lance created the character of Woody Woodpeckers,
so in homage to him, you're the main human character
in the new cartoon is Lance Walshers, which I thought
was kind of fun, you know, but anyway, I'm into Woody,
so that's that's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Uh huh, Okay, Listen, they always some characters never never
ever disappear. They come back and forth like Superman. What's
the number one.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Movie this week on right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah, the worldwide box office? And of course if you
hear the show later, it won't be Superman, of course,
but a version of Superman. Way basically build a living
comic book, which is quite different from a brooding Man
of Steel or something. This is, you know, a guy
who's very cheerful on everything. I haven't seen the film, folks.

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I'll mention this when I see it, which I will
shortly in the next episode, since we're kind of breaking
here for this. Interested in comic book characters at all?
In the movies?

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Oh, I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of Superman.
I got fifty thousand dollars worth of just Superman stuff
in my collection, So I've been into collecting Superman stuff
since I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
If you had Action Comics number one, you'd be a millionaire.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Now, well, true, those are few and far between the
problem is there was a coupon in there. And it's
not that the comic book itself is rare, it's it's
a good copy of the comic book is a coop
cut out, something you know kids could send in and
get it. So an intact issue of that is the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
You would know. He is very passionate about that, almost
as much as he's passionate about Bigfoot ENCRYPTI research. He
has a vast collection, which I think is amazing. Our
trip to Colorado, we have stopped on so many different
antique malls and stores, and he has actually purchased quite

(01:22:31):
a few comment books on this trip.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Well, Jennis and I are learning a lot about each
other on this trip. Yes, we are research partners, and
we are partners in pursue, but we are also becoming
other things. And it's just good to have someone like
Janis in my life. We just enjoy and just learn
about each other. So that's all part of good research,
you know. It's like the more we learn about each other,

(01:22:55):
the more we can can appreciate and protect each other.
Outside research, She's seen a lot of new stuff about me,
and I've seen a lot of new stuff about her.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
So Man, so you better watch out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Okay, well, we don't want to have any fights here
Amongst David, I want to ask you about Superman. Have
you seen all the movies?

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
I have seen most of them. I'm a I'm very
strict with Superman, you know. I think I actually think
DC completely destroyed that character. I think when Jim Lee
took over DC, I think he had it out for Superman.
He didn't want him to be an American symbol. He
wanted to change the costume. How do you change the

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costume of some your number one character for over? I mean, however,
many years, almost one hundred years, okay, close to what
is it, seventy five eighty years? You changed the costume? Why?
Because you don't want Superman to be Superman anymore. Some
of the stuff that has been written into the Superman
legend is absolutely Unamerican. And I am nothing if not

(01:24:04):
a patriot. So Superman was like the number one symbol
of that, and DC wanted to get away from that.
I really have boycotted a lot of the Superman stuff,
so I really like the older stuff. I really stay
away from any of the new stuff. So that's me
as a collector, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Motto's truth justice, send the American Way.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Correct, Well, it used to be, but no, they've taken
the American out. DC doesn't want to be associated with America.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
It's a worldwide company. Therefore they want to get business
around the country. But in terms of the costume, they
got rid of the trunks for the Zack Snyder division
where a man of steel, et cetera. The earlier films
like Superman Returns, he had the trunks. Also the first
time Superman appeared on the Supergirl TV show he did.

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That changed when they did the Superman Lowest TV show.
And in the new movie David corn Sweat being super Man,
he's got the trunks back again.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Right right, So they're supposedly this new movie is closer
to the original concept, although I have heard a lot
of bad things about it, so I probably won't see it.
I might watch it on television or if my friend
wants to rent it. You know, that's cool, But I
don't have a problem in not seeing it. You know,

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it's like like crypto, why can't you just make it
up of what is the breed? I can't even think
of what breed it is. Plus crap, you can't come
up the name. But they made it this fuzzy, little
cutesy thing. You know, that's not what Crypto was. And
if they have Crypto in the film, I'm digging that. Okay,
that's great. But lab Okay, Crypto actually looks more like

(01:25:45):
a lab, but that's not what they portray in the film.
So yeah, I'm a purist when it comes to all
of that stuff. That's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Well, you know, in terms of artistic decisions, James Gunn
based Crypto on his dog, who was very disobedient, and
that characteristic was grafted into the movie character. But the
movie character is predominantly cgi. They could make it anything
they wanted. He wanted Crypto to look very much like

(01:26:14):
his dog, That's why he looks that way.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Yeah, well I think that's wrong. That's just the wrong
thinking me my opinion. That's my opinion, you know, but
you already have established a Look, why do you change
something that was established many years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
I just.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Well, yeah, as an artist, I don't want anybody to
change my stuff. I mean, why would I be comfortable
in that? And I think we need to respect the
creators and you know, show them respect by keeping their
creations as as they were first imagined. And that's just me.
I mean, I know a lot of people love the changes,

(01:26:54):
but like I say, I'm just a purist in all
of that, and I have a great respect for comic
books and the work that had gone into those original
like the original Marvel things just blew me away as
a kid. You know, I came into Marvel not long
after Marvel came into being, and so that shows you

(01:27:16):
my age. But I look at the Avenger movies and
I feel a sadness. Now Marvel is creating its characters
based on the films, and of the films being based
on the purity of the characters. So that's it's entirely
backwards thinking. When it comes to superhero movies. In my opinion,
well over the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Years Superman has changed a light. Even in the early years,
like in the original comic book, he couldn't fly, he
get leaped from building the building. He could change.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
But yeah, but it changes within the story. You don't
go from movie to movie with with completely different looks
and storylines. That's again, this is all my opinion. I'm
not saying I'm right, but yeah, the story itself, they
had to figure out ways Superman got much stronger. That's
why they had to change it in the seventies. You know,
they had to recreate the Kryptonite tales. But that's something

(01:28:10):
that the creators did themselves, not a movie theater trying
to interpret those stories. I guess again, that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
James Gunn based what he presented on screen from the
All Star Superman series. I know nothing whatever about that,
so I can't comment one way or the other. But
the thing is with Superman, with the presentations on TV
and the movies, he has changed. Like in the early days.
Of course, Lois Lane never knew that Clark kent with Superman.

(01:28:42):
But I think as people get older, they say, you know,
the glass is how could get away with that? If
Lois Lane's a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, so more recently
she knows who he really is, right, And that's something
that is But that's nothing wrong with it. I think
that's the big plot hole of the original. I think

(01:29:05):
the originally you couldn't have her go fifty years never
figuring out who the guy is behind the glasses. I mean,
they made a big presentation of that in the nineteen
seventy eight film Superman, the movie where Christopher Reeves literally
played two different characters to emphasize the vast differences. I
thought that was exaggerated in the TV show Adventures of Superman.

(01:29:29):
There was practically no difference between George Reeves as Superman
and George Reeves's Clark Kent. That's just my opinion. Hey,
I don't though. We got into this because we're chasing
the paranormal, not to not paranormal comic books or magic
or anything like that. David, James, Geen, Tim, you're in
the pacast. Hello, this is John Burrow is one of

(01:30:02):
the witnesses to the Rendalssome UFO incident.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
You're listening to the para cast, the gold standard of
paranormal radio.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Return with us now those thrilling days, if you know.
We don't want to get into that anyway, Liz, continue
with not the comic book era, but something else, which
is the factual, weird stuff that's going on. Now. I'm
trying to look at a kind of a clarification here. David. Yeah,

(01:30:38):
UFOs are demonic, but they also come from other dimensions.
What is there a difference?

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Well, no, I'm going to say no, because you know,
Heaven Hell are just aspects of the dimensions. I guess
I'll have to put it like that. Heaven and Hell
exists all the time. We just don't know it that
we go to one or the other when we die.
And these are these could be determined dimensions, but although

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they are according to the Bible, they are physical places.
We go to one or the others, so but we
can't see them. We won't see them until it's our time.
So is that dimensional? Yeah, I don't know, but but
it seems to be alternate existence.

Speaker 8 (01:31:26):
Well, I wanted to go back to the pagoda and
one of the things that you said, David were these
structures were very extensively braided, which seems to be a
characteristic of these creatures exactly, and something I find that

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interesting because there has been over the years a number
of reports from people who have had a lot of
big foot activity around their home, especially people who have
horses yep, and a lot of times they will report

(01:32:09):
that these horses end up with their manes and tails
braided with no explanation, right, yea, unless there is some
you know, like a serial braider running around out there,
and maybe there is. In the forum, of Bigfoot. But
I just found that interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Yeah, well, I've got braided structures in Tennessee. I've also
got found one braided flag in Tennessee. There's an entire
museum of braided flags in Nebraska. Don Monroe has has
researched the braided horse manes in Wyoming and Montana. I
myself found two horses with braided manes not far from

(01:32:53):
his house. So yes, it seems like these creatures do
have an affinity for braiding. Uh, there have been braided
all grasses found out in the middle of nowhere. Whether
people have looked at these flags and said there's no
way that wind or storm can create The one I
found was in a sitary in Topsy, Tennessee. It's where

(01:33:14):
my wife was buried when she died. And I look
over and I see this ratty flag, and I said, no,
flag is not flying over my wife. So I went
back home, got anew and took the flag down, put
it in the car, put the new one up. I
get back in the car and I look over just
to check that flag, and I'm seeing these braids. So
I go over and I unfurl this thing. It has

(01:33:37):
three humongous braids. The red and the white stripes have
been pulled apart, and then they begin to braid. And
these are so so braided that they turned the ends
inside themselves and so that won't come out. The wind
doesn't do that sort of thing. Well. Harriet McFeeley in

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Nebraska has many reports of these raided flags and has
a museum about them. But Don Monroe's research shows that
his theory is, and I tend to go with it,
is that it takes two creatures to do this. One
of these creatures begin to stroke the mane and start

(01:34:17):
braiding it. And I think they get to these creatures
without them running away because they do the subsonic frequencies
and calm them down. You can't just walk up on
a Why if you're a ten foot tall hairy monster,
you're not just going to walk up on a horse.
So I think they hit it with some sort of
calming influence. Then they begin to braid while another one
begins to milk the mare. These braided manes are almost

(01:34:38):
always on females either that just gave birth or are
about to give birth, so their milk supply is right
if they're ready. What happens after that do they switch
the other one starts braiding while the first one is
milking the mare. Don Monroe has found evidence of dried
milk on these braided manes. The other thinking is these

(01:35:00):
are simply, let's say, teenage bigfoot creatures. While one is braiding,
the other one is in the back doing its thing,
just like a teenage boy would do. A lot of
people don't want to go there, Okay, but I think
that's one of the evidences. I had one person call
me and said that she saw the exact same thing
happening to a cow when she was a girl in Virginia.

(01:35:22):
So I think some of these creatures are having sex
with these mares while one of their buddies is braiding
the main to keep it calm. And if you think
about the height requirements to do that, everything lines up perfectly.
So what if there aren't enough female bigfoot creatures, what
do the males do? Maybe go find a horse. So again,

(01:35:43):
nobody wants to talk about this, but Don Monroe, Janice
and I are thinking about this and we're going to
hopefully do some research in this category.

Speaker 8 (01:35:53):
That has been one of the uncomfortable aspects of the
whole subsquatch phenomena is the sexual aspect that people don't
want to talk about. I mean, you've kind of danced
around it through the show, talking about especially the old
Native American stories that you know, warned against children and

(01:36:17):
especially women from going out alone because the sasquatch will
take you away for god knows what reason. And I remember,
and you know, her work has been discredited, but there
was a vet in Texas who worked with a bunch

(01:36:38):
of Bigfoot researchers who submitted to her what they hoped
was DNA evidence, you know, hair scat samples, things like that. Yes, yes, yeah,
that's exactly who I'm talking about. And even though you know,
like a lot of the other experts, you know, said
that that her work was ad Yeah, I always thought

(01:37:02):
that one of the interesting things that she came up
with was that it looked like that the species and
you know, you put quotation marks around this of Bigfoot
appears to be a mixture between some other kind of
non human hominid and human and humans, so that Bigfoot

(01:37:25):
is a hybrid hominid.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Right right, And that takes you back into the Nephylon.
If you're familiar with your Bible, the Sons of sons
of Heaven came into the daughters of men to create
the nephilom So suddenly we have a satanic hybrid. Now
I'm not saying that bigfoot creatures are nephylum, but I
think there is something close to that going on with

(01:37:52):
bigfoot creatures. I don't have a problem believing that they
are some sort of hybrid. I just don't know what
it is. And like I say, I don't have a
problem saying I don't know. At this point, nobody knows,
but I think there is some sort of connection. The
Bible clearly tells us what the nephil looked like, and
that was giant humans. Bigfoot doesn't necessarily look like humans,

(01:38:14):
although their description ranges from absolutely monstrous to absolutely human.
Is there more than one thing going on? I don't know.
But why do we have three toad prints, four toad
prints and five toad prints? Are we dealing with three
different things? Or are we dealing with three variants of

(01:38:35):
the same thing. These are some of the questions that
Janis and I hope to answer.

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
Are you talking about the footprints in the In the
nineteen seventies, there was a psychic by the name of
Peter Herkos who before he was a psychic. He was say,
and you know you have to take this as you well,
he was a painter and he fell off his ladder
one time and received a concussion, and after that he

(01:39:07):
had apparently psychic abilities. And there was one piece where
researchers were given him boxes, sealed boxes with different items
inside these boxes. He would touch the boxes and then
give his psychic impressions of what was inside. One of

(01:39:28):
these boxes held a plaster cast of a three toed Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
And Cliffhanger Alert. Cliffhanger Alert. We're gonna find out about
those three toes. How many toes does Tim Swartz have?
Twenty six and a half, Tim, Jean Jannis, David, you're in.

Speaker 8 (01:39:52):
The Parrick Cast.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
This is Jacques Really, you're listening to the podcast the
gold Standard of paranormal Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
So Tim is telling the story of the psychic Peter
hurkecting Peter Herkoes. Of course, is he still alive. I
haven't heard of him in years.

Speaker 8 (01:40:26):
Oh no, No, he passed away quite a while ago.
He wasn't young in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I heard him on the Long John Neville radio show
back in the fifties, and sixties tell the story.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:40:39):
Anyway, after he handled this, the sealed box with the
big Foot footprint, the three toad specifically, he said that
this was something that does not exist in our reality,
but has the ability to come into our reality, all

(01:41:00):
be it briefly, and that after a while it loses
energy and as he put it, starts to come apart.
And this footprint showed this creature at a point where
it was coming apart in our reality. That was why
it had three toes on the footprint. But of course

(01:41:20):
this was something that supposedly he had no knowledge of
what was inside this box. So I just always found
that interesting, and especially with these, you know, stories that
are coming out now with the possibility that Bigfoot, at
least some of them are not physical as we think
of them as saysical.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Right, No, that is interesting. I've never heard that story.
I'll need to research that guy and see what happened
with that. You know, absolutely, we got three toad, four toad,
and five toad, and it seems like the three toad
are more of swamped type creatures like Momo. You've got
the Murphy's Borough Monster, you've got the skunk Ape, a

(01:42:04):
lot of these are three toed creatures or is this
something that only these type creatures have, whereas the California
Bigfoot almost always have five toes. But then you have
also four toad variants in other parts of the country.
So is this a localization thing or is this just
free for all? I mean, it's just another fascinating aspect
of this and something that we may never have an

(01:42:26):
answer for. But this is why I like to research,
you know, the challenge of trying to find answers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Just a brief recap here. Herkos died in nineteen eighty
eight at the age of seventy seven, which for those
years was pretty good. I mean, having that longevity in
the eighties, it's pretty good today. We figured he'd be
going out till ninety or so.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
If you're still here, right, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:43:00):
One are the other things you talked about? What was
it the ultrasonic frequency subsidic frequencies subsciety talk about that.
I'm not sure if a lot of people are familiar
with that phenomena associated with bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Subsonic frequencies are frequencies that are at such a range
that humans can't necessarily hear them. Some people say that
they can hear subsidic frequencies, but most humans can't. The
Army has worked on these as weaponry. Subsonic frequencies can
rattle your brain, they can rattle your eyeballs in your skull.

(01:43:38):
They can make you see things that aren't there and
help you not see things that are standing right in
front of you. They can make you vomit, they can
make you go paranoid, and the Army has worked on these.
They absolutely know they're real. They've researched them as weaponry.
Now we see this in nature way beyond bigfoot. We

(01:43:59):
know tigers can do it. This is why tigers can
walk right up to their prey and the prey doesn't
run away. Whales communicate with sub sonic frequencies halfway around
the earth. Elephants can communicate fast distances with sub sonic frequencies.
So we know scientifically that this frequency exists. So it

(01:44:20):
has been reported that when you feel that fear when
you're in the woods, that's a bigfoot that is hitting
you with sub sonic frequencies. I have been hit by
that one time. I've never been afraid out out in
the woods hunting, but I have been what I call
thrill there was a creature just outside of my visual range,

(01:44:41):
and suddenly I felt like it was almost orgasmic. I
felt every nerve in my body. I felt the blood
rushing through every vein and it's the only time I've
ever heard that, and it was the biggest, craziest thrill
I've ever gotten. And I think I was being hit
by some thing and it's saying, yeah, I'm here, and

(01:45:02):
I can make you feel however you want to feel.
Most of the time, subsonic frequencies make you run. I
know Janis has had some experiences with.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
This at just numerous times.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Yeah, so this is something else that I would like
to research. And it's almost like you need some sort
of auditory equipment that can register certain vibrations. And Janis,
that's something else we need to you know, we've been
buying up a lot of equipment, so that's that's another
thing we need to get. Yeah, I mean it's sub
sonic frequencies are real, and we know they're real, and

(01:45:37):
I believe they are part of the big Foot phenomena.
I had a person call me one time after hearing
me lecture and he said, until I heard you speak,
I didn't understand what happened to me in the Pennsylvania Wilds.
I drove my motorcycle into this one area and it failed,
so I was trying to get this motorcycle to work.
Suddenly I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there,

(01:45:59):
and I I needed to get out of there. So
I finally got it fixed, jumped on my motorcycle, threw
my helmet on, and took off. He said, suddenly I
felt a buzz in the back of my neck that
I never felt before. I immediately had to get off
my motorcycle and vomit. And he said, now, I understand
that that was subsonic frequencies created by something out there

(01:46:20):
in those woods. And I think things happen to people
a lot and they can't explain them. And I believe
that a lot of times it's a cryptid activity, and
it's something like Janis and I were talking the other day,
and I think, you know, the old timers, the folk
tales talk about haunted woods. When they talk about hauntings,
they're talking about the moans and the groans and the

(01:46:43):
weird activity. Doesn't that sound like a bigfoot? You can't
see it. It's doing something. It's moaning, it's groaning, it's
making these horrible sounds. And I think the tales of
haunted woods can be attributed to bigfoot creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
So I mean, this has been a fascinatingading fastening case
study of a lot of weird stuff happening. I don't
know if I'd want to get caught in another dimension
or not, not because I might get cancered my advanced stage,
but because I'd like to be able to come back,
although sometimes we wonder about that. Wouldn't it be nice

(01:47:17):
to live somewhere else, another planet, another dimension? Who knows? David.
If our listeners want to know more about the things
you do, where can they check you out?

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
They can go to pursue paranormal dot com. That's kind
of a clearinghouse of everything I do. It kind of
explains a few things. If you want to know more
about my bigfoot research and just general stuff like that,
you can google David l or Bigfoot. You will find everything.
You'll find podcasts, you'll find lectures, you'll find thoughts, comments, interviews.

(01:47:51):
So those two things. If you ever want to call pursue,
if you have an experience that you want to relate,
you can act actually email me at movieman M O
v I E M A N three two two one
at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Janice, where can we find you?

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Yes, sir, they can find me on the pursue website
that David just mentioned. Easy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Okay, we like it easy. We'll keep it easy, all right.
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(01:48:38):
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Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
Thank you.

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