February 17, 2025 • 34 mins
The Paranormal Classroom: Exploring Carl Jung's Theory of Synchronicity
In this episode of The Paranormal Classroom, Amanda and Lindsay dive into Carl Jung's theory of synchronicity-the idea that meaningful coincidences occur without causal connection but seem deeply significant. From eerie real-life examples to its influence on paranormal experiences, we discuss whether synchronicity is just pattern-seeking or a glimpse into a deeper, interconnected universe.
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The paranormal classroom.
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Alrighty, we are recording.
Hey everybody, it's my birthday.
Happy birthday Amanda!
This is my birthday song. It isn't very long.
Oh that was the worst rhythm I think I've ever demonstrated. Sorry about that everybody.
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I came ready too. This morning I was like, I would say,
Shoot, what's the song? My dad used to, or still does I think for every birthday that he encounters.
They say it's your birthday. It's my birthday too. Or something like that.
Yeah. I don't know.
But then I came unprepared.
Oh but happy birthday. Has it been a good one so far?
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Yeah, it took the day off work so.
It was great.
And I got a facial. My first facial.
Ever?
Ever.
What one did you get?
Vitamin C.
Oh.
I don't know.
I went in last night. Last time I think I probably had, I can count on one hand how many facials I've had in my life.
I can count on three fingers how many facials I had.
And I thought okay they're just going to like deep cleanse me.
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You know we clean out any weird pores.
And immediately the lady who was older than I am was like, oh, we need to switch it up girl.
You are older now. We need to go to heat sensitive.
And like you are very sensitive skin to like heat.
So they couldn't do the steam thing on me.
They couldn't do it.
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And then I let myself get suckered into the diamond tip dermabrasion.
Oh my gosh that must have been so expensive.
But I felt awesome.
My mom had given me a gift certificate.
And so then I just basically paid an additional amount like I didn't have a gift certificate.
And it was awesome.
But it's like a once every five years.
Yeah exactly.
So I have to go in and go, please shave five years off my life.
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I'm jealous of people who can afford it all the time though.
It did feel really nice.
I'm glad you got pampered.
Yeah.
You deserve it.
Well if you're new here, if you are new, we will get to our topic eventually.
We just always start off saying hi to each other.
We're besties.
And then we have a segment we call what's haunting you.
Where we share something that's been haunting us from the week.
So what's been haunting you?
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I'll spare all y'all the details because I just told Amanda.
But I have like a not what's haunting me in a good way.
Like what I've been spending a lot of positive energy this week is doing stop motion animation with little kids.
It's the best.
Introducing Kinder and first graders to the magical world of stop motion animation where they get to make inanimate objects come to life.
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Is the coolest.
It blows their tiny minds.
They cannot believe it.
And no matter how many times I model it, they still can't do it themselves yet.
But they'll figure it out.
And it's just so awesome to just watch them pair up with each other.
Well I choose their pairs for this because I want them to mix it up.
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And sometimes when you're too comfortable with your partner, you end up just goofing.
As you and I know.
And so I pair them up and every single class so far has just been like not even a question like, yep.
Okay.
They go to their partner.
They film their movies.
What take turns being director and actor.
And they're doing human pixelation this week.
So where they make it look like a human is doing something impossible.
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And it's just magic.
These are great challenges for the kids.
It's like artistic and it's teaching them technical skills and probably stuff for collaborating.
It's just awesome.
You're a good teacher.
Thank you.
Okay.
What's haunting me is I was at an equity training this week and the trainer said something to me that's been haunting me all week.
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I've been thinking about it.
She taught us about the concept called responsible not my fault.
As one phrase, responsible not my fault.
Which means there are things in your life that are not your fault that happen.
But you're still responsible for them in some way.
So for example, it was an example at work would be you are walking down the hall and you see garbage on the ground.
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It's not my fault.
I didn't put the garbage there, but I am responsible for helping make sure that the building looks nice and I'm taking an example.
So it's still, I'm still responsible for picking it up and throwing it away.
And just that phrase.
Just as a teacher and a mom, it's been popping into my life like multiple times a day, right?
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Somebody's alarm doesn't go off and they're like, it's not my fault.
It's not my fault.
Right.
It's not your fault.
Maybe it is.
But you're still responsible for like, you know, arranging what you need to get there as on time as possible and communicating and apologizing.
And you're still responsible for like, you're part of it.
I don't know.
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Maybe that resonates with people who are somebody who's listening that you can kind of look out for that in your own life.
Yeah, it's really helpful with with kids for sure is in ourselves, but I think it's a good way for kids.
There's so much passing of the buck.
Like, I didn't do it.
It wasn't mine.
Yes.
Well, first of all, half the time or more it is right.
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I watched you drop that before please pick it up.
I didn't drop that.
I know, but it's right underneath your seat. Could you please pick it up for me and put it away?
Yeah.
So yeah, I think responsible not my fault.
It's a good lesson to keep in your back pocket.
For sure.
I like that too.
Was it done yet?
Was that the presenter?
She's in Georgia.
Yes.
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Yes.
Yeah, she's great.
Fantastic.
You've had the same training.
Yeah, probably three times.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, she's my first time.
She's nice.
She's very knowledgeable and cool.
Was she in person or zoom?
Zoom.
Okay.
Well, this week is Amanda's turn to tell me a story that I may or may not have ever
heard about.
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So she's got a smile on her face.
I'm excited.
I don't know if you're...
I'm always excited.
We'll see how today goes.
Today's topic is very cerebral.
We're going to get...
If we're having to have to get pretty thinking and put your smile on.
It's only Tuesday.
I should have plenty of brain left.
I'm also switching it up because, you know, usually I like to tell a story about somebody
who's had some kind of experience, but this is different.
We're going to kind of talk about a topic.
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Oh, that's kind of like what I like.
Yeah.
So I'm switching it up a little bit.
Okay.
See if you like it.
And then I'll come at you with a personal story from somebody next time and we'll build
everybody's mind.
Okay, I got it.
And I have to apologize.
It is my birthday and I usually work on these during the day, but I...
Good.
I'm glad you didn't do a damn thing.
I did, really.
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No, I mean, I have something, but it's not as organized as I would like.
So we're going to follow through it and...
It will probably be just like one of my stories where I spend days and days on it.
And it's still...
It's like I just threw up on the computer.
I love it.
Okay.
Have you ever had a coincidence happen that felt too impossible to be a coincidence or
like the timing was too perfect?
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Like deja vu?
Kind of.
Because I get deja vu every once in a while.
Well, we're going to talk about...
I don't know about a quiz.
I've seen my own doppleganger.
That's wild.
Yeah, let's say that story sometime.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, today we're going to talk about a psychiatrist named Carl Jung.
Oh, Jung.
Jungian.
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Yes.
Yeah.
What do you...
You know a lot about him?
I used to know more because I have a master's in marriage and family therapy.
So the Jungian philosophies and practices were something that we had to read about if
not practice ourselves.
That's really cool.
I didn't know he was part of like modern studies because I find him really fascinating.
And I didn't know that he was...
I mean, you still even...
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You read about and you learn about Freud.
Yeah.
So like there's still Jungian and Piaget and Freudian and lots of them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
You'll have a lot to contribute.
You can kind of...
Well, we'll see because I don't know if I could tell you exactly what he was about until
you make it...
Until you remind me of some Piaget and phrases.
Yeah.
I want to talk about Carl Jung or Jung.
It's spelled with a J.
So, but I guess it's pronounced Jung.
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Mm-hmm.
He has a lot of writings and research and thoughts about something called synchronicity.
Synchronicity.
That rings the bell for you, right?
Yeah.
So it's like the reoccurrence of events or aligning up of events that like you said at
the start are just two...
I'm trying to turn our heaters back on but I don't know if I can.
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They're just two...
I'm sorry for the editing you're going to have to do.
Oh, it's okay.
Oh my gosh.
Let's just pull out all the stops.
All the bells and whistles.
Go!
Car radio.
Go!
Can somebody...
Can somebody call me or text or start a podcast on my...
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If it's your first time listening, we record in the car while my daughter and I are on
the dance class.
Yeah, what was your first clue?
Okay, hold on now.
Stop it.
Okay, I just want to turn off the car so we don't hear the engine but still have seat
heaters.
Is that possible car?
No.
Fung.
Okay, well, I tried.
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We're talking about synchronicity.
Synchronicity.
And Carl Jung.
Carl Gustav Jung was born July 26, 1875 in Kesswell, Switzerland.
Mm-hmm.
His father was a pastor.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yep.
And his mother came from a family with mystical interests.
Interesting.
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I don't even know what that means but that's what it says on Wikipedia.
So, tarot or crystal ball gazing or dowsing rods.
Dowsing rods, sances.
Yes, because that was...
When was he born?
In 1875.
1875.
So this is post-Civil War where there was a huge spiritualism movement.
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So this is where there was so much...
Civil War was one moment that this happened.
There's been periods of time in history where there's been mass loss in American life.
And so then people are just mass sudden loss of like a lot of young people, for example,
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like in a war.
And so then they're turning to something desperately to maintain contact or proof of the afterlife.
And spiritualism is where seances were born from.
Yeah.
Table tapping and all this stuff.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Okay, so he's got kind of two different really influential...
I can't speak.
I wonder how his parents came to be together.
I don't know.
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That's awesome.
Yeah.
So he has this dual influence of like a religious but distant father and an emotional woo-woo kind
of thing together.
That's just how he grew up.
And that had a significant impact on his developing worldview.
Yeah, I bet.
I bet.
So yeah, I can imagine.
He often retreated into his imagination.
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He had a very vivid dream life.
And when he went to college, he studied medicine and psychiatry.
One of the most pivotal relationships he had was with Mr. Sigmund Freud.
You mentioned that.
I didn't know that.
They had a strong bond.
Where everything with Mr. Freud is a your mom joke.
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I know.
Or that's when she said everything ties back to sex with your mom.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Freud.
Whenever I read about him, it just seems like a joke to me.
Yeah, he did have some pervade...
What's the word?
Pervasive or the ongoing ideas that have stuck in like I can get behind.
But so much of it is just tied back to edipal complex and stuff like that.
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Yeah, but Young was interested in Freud's work because Freud was also studying the unconscious.
And they lived in the same part of the world.
Were they both in this?
Freud's German.
Okay.
Yeah, I believe he's German.
Just over the Alps, I guess.
Yeah.
Freud saw Young as like a younger heir and hoped that he would continue his intellectual work.
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He would be able to pass on that intellectual work to him.
Kind of reminds me of like Willy Wonka and Charlie.
Giving him the chocolate factory.
Giving him the chocolate factory.
Here's my psychiatry practice.
Aren't you excited?
Don't mind the little men, the little orchard men.
I'd like to explore the psychiatry behind why you have all the little people hired for you.
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Fair practices and all.
Well, unfortunately, Lindsay, their relationship went sour.
What happened?
They just had different, as Young was developing his theories and Freud was developing his theories, they went different paths.
They diverted.
They diverted.
Two trails diverged in a yellow wood.
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So Freud was in a yellow wood?
That's from a poem, but now it's like Robert Cross.
No, I know.
But is it a yellow?
It's Walt Whitman.
But is it a yellow wood?
What's a yellow wood?
I don't know.
I'm going to look it up. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood.
Two paths.
Yellow wood.
An eye being of something took the one last trouble.
I took the one last trouble.
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Yellow wood?
What's the name of the poem?
I don't know.
Let me look.
It is a yellow wood.
Hey, Amanda for the win birthday girl.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood.
So, okay.
I'm going to read it and I being of and sorry, I could not travel
both and be one traveler long.
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I stood and looked down one as far as I could to wear a bent in the
undergrowth.
Then took the other as just as fair and having perhaps the better
claim because it was grassy and wanted wear, though as for that,
the passing there had warned them really about the same and both
that morning equally lay and leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day yet knowing how way leads on
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to way.
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence
two roads diverged in a wood and I I took the one less traveled
by and that has made all the difference.
I think it's the last one that I remember the very.
Yeah, no, you remember the first line and the last you remember
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the very first and last put them together two rows diverged in
the yellow wood.
I took the one less traveled by and that has made all the
difference and I just remember two rows diverged in the wood.
So wow, good work man.
That's my favorite type of poetry.
I love.
Yeah, I love Stephen Crane, but that's Robert Frost.
Robert, you were right.
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Double birthday.
Holy crap.
I've always attributed that to Walt women.
I'm so sorry, Robert Frost.
Okay, so Freud and Young had this wonderful father son kind of
relationship, but they really fell apart.
They fell out of sorts with each other because Freud was adamant
that it was sexuality that was the primary motivator of human
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behavior and young totally disagreed and he believed that
conscious unconsciousness had a broader range of forces,
including spiritual ones.
So they parted ways and young began his own journey developing
analytical psychology.
After they broke up, it was really hard on young.
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It was like a kind of an upheaval for him.
It really affected him like a breakup would.
But ultimately it led to the creation of his own psychological
framework and he wrote in his autobiography.
I'm going to have you read just this quote from his autobiography here.
Okay, so from Carl Young and the concept of synchronicity.
I had to leave him not because I wanted to, but because I had to.
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I was convinced that I could no longer work under Freud's domination
because our views were too different.
Oh, and that's from memories, dreams, reflections, page 136.
Okay.
This time when I used domination.
I know there's it's almost sounds like that's like when you grow up
like truly like a father something where you grow up and you realize
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you can think for yourself and you don't agree.
Yeah.
With the sort of the value system of your parental units.
And so you just got to leave and cleave.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
So he's on his own now and this is where he really firmly develops
the concept of synchronicity.
So he is the early 20th century and synchronicity according to young
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people is the meaningful coincidence of two or more events or phenomena
that are not casually related, but appear to be connected in a significant
way.
And I'm, we're starting thinking about things that maybe have happened to
you because I'm going to ask all of our listeners and everybody to think
about moments when synchronicity happened to them.
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Okay.
These events of synchronicity, they have like a deeper almost spiritual
meaning and they can feel too perfectly timed to just be coincidence.
Okay.
And here's what's cool.
This, this totally ties into the telepathy tapes that we've been obsessed
with.
Okay.
So the concept of young's exploration of the unconscious, he believed in
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the possibility of a shared universal consciousness.
Oh, sweet.
Yeah.
Same.
Okay.
Okay.
I did not know that about him.
That's awesome.
That didn't come up at school.
Like what did they teach you?
I don't remember that.
Well, that's the thing is I don't really even remember.
I'd have to, I'd have to go through his framework and see which part of this
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were we trying to apply or learn about because I don't remember the synchronicity
bit.
I definitely don't remember the like collective consciousness bit because I
would have been like, yeah, that's my dude.
I know.
Uh, or maybe I wouldn't have because that was a different time in my life.
Right.
I've been really drawn to that.
So I don't remember that.
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We probably just focused on his relationships and how people relate to one
another.
So I'm going to now tell you some examples of synchronicity coming up in
people's lives.
And you can be thinking of something maybe that.
Okay.
I'm working on it.
I'm chewing on it.
So one of the most famous personal experiences that young had, he had a
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connection who came to him and was extremely skeptical of him and all of his
things that he believed, which I don't know why you would go to a doctor anyway
if you're feeling that skeptical.
So for a challenge, I'm going to pay you even though I don't believe in anything
you do.
You flim flam artist.
Exactly.
Take my wallet.
I do.
That's what she said.
We need to call people flim flam artists.
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Oh, it's the best.
I heard.
I've been tossing it around in regards to our president because I listened to
Stacey Abrams podcast assembly required and it's great because it just lays out what's
going on and what the impacts might be on the American people and how we little people
might, little things we can do to help.
She is an amazing politician and incredible lawyer and just awesome, but she's like,
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he's a flim flam artist where it's like a little over here.
Look over here.
Look over here.
But now I've got this in my hand.
He's just like.
And he's got so much going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this woman did not trust their believe in young, but some reason she comes to him
and he's working with her and trying to get her to open up and he shares with her this
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story about a golden scarab, which is a symbol of transformation and renewal in Egyptian
mythology.
As he's telling her the story at that exact moment, a beetle, which is like a scarab,
lies in through the window, sits on the window sill and is just like sitting there staring
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at this woman.
Cool.
So he really writes about that in his own way.
It was so uncanny.
The coincidence was so uncanny to the patient that that was her breakthrough method.
That was her breakthrough moment where she was like, okay, maybe young is onto something
about the universe and shared consciousness kind of being a part of our experience here
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on the planet.
Yeah.
So here's another quote from any time you have that moment of like, did you just see
that?
Did that really just happen?
And then we're like, no way.
And that happens to us all the time.
It happens to us all the time.
And it's like what happened with the tarot reading in our last episode.
Well, and every time we guess what each other's going to talk about.
Yeah.
This time I couldn't have.
Yeah.
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All right.
The coincidence quote, the coincidence of the scarab with the emotional situation of
the patient had a profound effect on her.
The emotional state was lifted by this symbolic event and she was able to open up in a new
way.
Oh, yeah.
That's really cool.
I mean, I don't know, working as a therapist and so much of it was, it felt sometimes like
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a hope and a prayer or a whistle and a prayer or a throw a dollar in the fire and hope for
something better.
I don't know.
Just there was a lot of like, I don't know what's going to stick.
I don't know what's going to break through.
But I ended up writing my thesis on the power of vulnerability.
It was the moments that my clients would break down and cry.
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That catharsis moment that would or that moment of emotional vulnerability would be a catharsis
a lot of the time.
Yeah.
It was a huge turning point in their life.
Yeah.
And I had most of them had nothing to do with it.
Like they would come to me sometimes.
The very first one was a big emotional breakdown or other times we'd be meeting for 12 weeks
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and it would be the 13th week where something would snap probably or possibly a synchronous
event happened maybe that triggered that response and then they just happened to see me that
day.
So but there was always a major shift after like an emotional cleansing.
That's really interesting.
Yeah.
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And there's an emotional piece to the synchronicity that Young is describing.
It's not just a random thing happening that doesn't that seems out of place out of coincidence.
But it's also that emotional feeling that you have.
We were like you recognize and feel yeah.
And feel drawn to it.
It can be.
Here's another example.
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So my mom whenever I see a pine cone I think of my mom because I have a really funny story.
My mom used to collect pine cones and get them from like she'd mail order them and she'd
make these beautiful reads like Christmas reads out of pine cones.
One day I'm sitting in my high school.
Capital High School Olympia Washington sitting in the classroom and somebody goes hey Amanda
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isn't that your mom out on the lawn.
She was gathering.
She was my mom who's my age now right.
She was my age.
And I don't know if anyone imagine she was like right outside the school window bent
over and like her sweatpants picking up pine cones on the school grounds and all my friends
were like oh your mom's out there.
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Okay well I'm gonna burst your bubble though a little bit.
Yeah.
This is a science nerd in me.
Okay.
We don't have pine cones here.
We don't have pine cones.
Well what was she picking up?
Fur cones.
Fur cones.
From fir trees.
Pine trees are up in the in mountainous region.
Okay well because.
I didn't know that I always thought they were pine cones.
And the way I remember that is somebody and I don't remember who told me the story and
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who it was about but I do remember that like that's how I'm always gonna remember it was
somebody gave their said told their son or their child I'll give you a nickel for every
pine cone you pick up out of the backyard and it was just the kid was like yes because
it was just littered.
Yeah.
Picked up every single one brings bucket loads in and then they're like well it doesn't
look like you made anything today.
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What?
Yes those are fir cones.
Wow.
So it's important to know what you're doing.
Well it's good now I know thank you for the info.
Yeah.
And you've talked about maybe wanting to get a tattoo at some point.
I do well she would also order pine cones because she would order them.
That's why she would order them is because she couldn't get them here.
Yeah.
That's why.
Yeah and I've been wanting to get them.
So she maybe used a combination of fir and pine cones.
Yeah I was calling all kinds of cool like tree cones from like other parts of the world.
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She was so rad.
And they were really pretty.
She was fun but so my mom has passed away and here's the synchronicity piece so there
will be times in my life where I'll be talking about my mom or thinking about her and then
a pine cone will just appear.
Maybe I turn a page in a book and there's a picture of a pine cone or maybe I it's just
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like it's on the TV or yeah.
So it's so not only is it a weird coincidence but it's also got that emotional reaction
in me.
So I think that's a good example of a synchronicity.
Yeah for sure.
I think that it's got a broad range of definition but you could put it in that category.
I think a lot of people can relate to the feeling of getting some sort of sign from
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a deceased loved one.
Yeah.
In the form of a cardinal bird or a butterfly.
Butterfly.
Butterfly.
Dragonfly.
Hummingbird.
Those kinds of things.
I know my mom listens to the podcast so hi mom and also she's always loved hummingbirds
but she uses the Spanish word colibri and so when she passes away I'm totally getting
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an awesome rad watercolor hummingbird tattoo but I suspect that she's gonna send me hummingbirds
every once in a while which I hope you do mom.
That'd be hilarious and awesome.
Yeah.
Do what you can.
Do what you can.
Start playing it now.
Yeah.
I think these synchronicities can be really special and magical and I'm gonna send dolphins
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to my kids which will be a little harder.
That'll be a little harder.
Like with the panko.
Pictures or images.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you are new, if you're listening and this is your first time hearing about synchronicity
for me the first time I heard of it was like kind of like a shift in my experience in
the world because I was more aware of synchronicities after learning about it the first time.
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You'll see what I'm talking about and then you need to report back to us.
You'll turn off this podcast and you'll start to see things that are like whoa that can't
be coincidental.
Yeah.
Or like if you have a favorite number and often like my favorite number is the number
33 and I don't know why but it's always been my favorite number ever since I can remember
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and I will see the number 33.
It's wild how many times that number pops up.
But then there's also that phenomenon of when you're in the market for a certain car.
Yeah.
All of a sudden you see those cars.
Cars everywhere.
Yeah.
Or hair color or you know something that you're considering and you're studying, you're researching
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it will the universe will just like make it pop off the page.
Yeah.
Everywhere you go and I don't know if that's part of synchronicity or if that's just a
hyper awareness.
Yeah.
Due to whatever your decision you're trying to make.
I don't know maybe there's some crossover between the two.
It's fun though I love synchronicity.
I do too.
There's a movie called Synchronicity isn't there?
Is it Romcom?
It sounds like it would be a Sandra Pollock one.
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Wait, wait, wait.
I have to guess.
I think I know it's John.
Who's the guy who played, who like held the radio up in your eyes?
Oh the classic grand gesture.
John Cusack and I'm going to call it, I'm going to do it.
It was the girl who was in all those vampire movies who's really pretty.
Kate Beckinsale.
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Oh.
Tell me if I'm right.
I'm looking.
I'm on my birthday so I'm on fire with Robert Frost and everything.
Okay.
No.
Then edit it out if I got it wrong.
Unless there's a different synchronicity.
So 2015.
What I'm thinking of maybe it's called serendipity.
Will you look at serendipity?
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That's serendipity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think I'm thinking of serendipity too actually.
But there is a movie called Synchronicity.
A physicist who invents a time machine must travel back to the past to uncover the truth
about his creation and the woman who is trying to steal it.
Okay.
But is that a synchronicity?
It doesn't seem like it kind of aligns.
That what you just read doesn't really align with.
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Well I mean that was just the one sentence synopsis.
I guess it's hard to.
Well we'll have to watch it.
Yeah.
Let's watch it.
It's intriguing.
With the actors I've never heard of before in my life.
Oh except for Michael Ironside.
Oh he's so creepy.
Can I see a picture?
He's in 6888 which I just watched.
Yeah.
Have you seen 6888?
Oh you gotta watch it.
What's it on?
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It's a Netflix true story of the first and only Black All-Women's Battalion in World
War II and yeah and what they went through.
I do need to watch that.
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
But the story that I was angry I had never been taught.
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Never even heard of it before.
I watched the Netflix series.
I have one more example of synchronicity to share and it comes from.
I mean as many as you got.
Well do you remember that documentary that we both loved called Hellier?
Yes.
If you haven't seen Hellier, if you're listening, you haven't seen Hellier.
It is bananas.
Go to Amazon Prime and watch it.
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There's two seasons.
It is incredible and part of why it's incredible is there are all these synchronicities that
happen as they're like they go on an adventure kind of a paranormal mystery adventure investigation.
That's how it starts.
Yeah.
And that's why I went that way because they follow this trail of synchronicities and they
end up in a whole different adventure than they thought they would be on when they started.
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But there's this tin cup.
In the documentary there's a tin cup.
Just an old like you know a tin cup that your Campbell soup comes in.
Like for camping.
For camping.
A little tin cup.
And this tin cup it's not the same cup but they keep running into tin cups along their
journey.
So weird.
They're in a really weird synchronicity kind of way.
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So they'll be for example it kind of becomes a clue.
Like they're on the right track.
Like they're on the right track.
So they'll just be out on a hike or whatever kind of lost kind of like where do we go next?
I don't know.
And then they'll see a tin cup.
And they'll follow that and then they'll have like this incredible paranormal experience.
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They'll talk about it.
They'll investigate it and then a little bit later they'll run into another tin cup.
So bizarre.
I forgot all about that.
Yeah.
So there was a lot of symbolism with the cup and it just absolutely extraordinary circumstances
that it pops up in.
I definitely recommend.
Anyway that was pretty much my story of young.
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If you want to know more about him like he went on to get married.
He had five children with this woman named Emma and he thought of her as a great confidant
and she helped him with his research.
However he had other mistresses on the side.
Yes.
One of them was named Tony Wolf who was one of his collaborators and intellectual partners.
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So she was like like this like the secretary you're having an affair with who helps you
at work too.
And he said a bunch of those and he he's quoted as saying I was always aware of my need for
a woman's presence.
Okay.
Like me too buddy but I'm not sleeping with him.
Like.
Yeah.
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It doesn't make sense.
It sounds like he's trying to be like flattering of the female species and like appreciative.
No you're objectifying.
Yeah.
Because it's not about relationship to you.
It's about you just when you want to have a woman around you when you want to touch
a woman you should there better be one right there at your disposal.
And then he can excuse it off like well I can't be intellectually brilliant without
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one so.
Well that's probably true.
That excuses my affairs.
Because I just always have to have a woman with me.
Dummy.
What a dummy.
So small.
So small.
So cave man.
I want to look and see his framework real quick.
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You can see his framework.
Yeah.
It's maybe something that you could I guess people study him like you said in college.
That's cool.
He also was really into traveling.
He traveled extensively to India, Africa, American Southwest and like on those travels
he's learning about and comparing religions, mythology.
He's really fascinated by all the cultures he encountered and he integrates elements
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and symbolism of all their philosophies into his theories.
He kept working until his health declined in the 1950s and he passed away in 1961 at
the age of 85.
And his legacy is pretty enormous.
Yeah.
The two things I remember are about projection and individuation.
Well, thank you Carl Young for all these awesome insights that we still use today and
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think about.
You're pretty cool other than the affairs.
And I'm going to look and see if just to be safe was Carl Young problematic beyond
obviously just as if these affairs weren't enough.
Oh.
Uh oh, do you want to share that?
First word I see racism.
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Oh yeah.
I assume that's.
I like to just give a well rounded sort of you know if we're saying thank you Carl Young
I also want to make sure that we don't think him for that.
Right.
Yeah.
No, like all these same videos was Carl Young an anti-Semite?
Carl Young's outdated beliefs throughout race.
Carl Young was a bad guy.
Oh no.
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Was Carl Young a Nazi sympathizer?
Well, this episode is not really to glorify him but more of his.
That concept of synchronicity.
The concept of synchronicity.
Because that's your homework.
Your homework is to look for these profound coincidences, these synchronicities in your
life and tell us what they are because we think it's a really fascinating topic.
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Yeah.
Yeah, we're like, I call it the do do do do do do moments.
Yeah.
You're just like whoo.
That podcast comes out good.
That was fun.
Different than our usual one.
Totally different.
We're class dismissed.
And don't open the door.
No more
The paranormal classroom.
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Alrighty, we are recording.
Hey everybody, it's my birthday.
Happy birthday Amanda!
This is my birthday song. It isn't very long.
Oh that was the worst rhythm I think I've ever demonstrated. Sorry about that everybody.
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I came ready too. This morning I was like, I would say,
Shoot, what's the song? My dad used to, or still does I think for every birthday that he encounters.
They say it's your birthday. It's my birthday too. Or something like that.
Yeah. I don't know.
But then I came unprepared.
Oh but happy birthday. Has it been a good one so far?
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Yeah, it took the day off work so.
It was great.
And I got a facial. My first facial.
Ever?
Ever.
What one did you get?
Vitamin C.
Oh.
I don't know.
I went in last night. Last time I think I probably had, I can count on one hand how many facials I've had in my life.
I can count on three fingers how many facials I had.
And I thought okay they're just going to like deep cleanse me.
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You know we clean out any weird pores.
And immediately the lady who was older than I am was like, oh, we need to switch it up girl.
You are older now. We need to go to heat sensitive.
And like you are very sensitive skin to like heat.
So they couldn't do the steam thing on me.
They couldn't do it.
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And then I let myself get suckered into the diamond tip dermabrasion.
Oh my gosh that must have been so expensive.
But I felt awesome.
My mom had given me a gift certificate.
And so then I just basically paid an additional amount like I didn't have a gift certificate.
And it was awesome.
But it's like a once every five years.
Yeah exactly.
So I have to go in and go, please shave five years off my life.
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I'm jealous of people who can afford it all the time though.
It did feel really nice.
I'm glad you got pampered.
Yeah.
You deserve it.
Well if you're new here, if you are new, we will get to our topic eventually.
We just always start off saying hi to each other.
We're besties.
And then we have a segment we call what's haunting you.
Where we share something that's been haunting us from the week.
So what's been haunting you?
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I'll spare all y'all the details because I just told Amanda.
But I have like a not what's haunting me in a good way.
Like what I've been spending a lot of positive energy this week is doing stop motion animation with little kids.
It's the best.
Introducing Kinder and first graders to the magical world of stop motion animation where they get to make inanimate objects come to life.
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Is the coolest.
It blows their tiny minds.
They cannot believe it.
And no matter how many times I model it, they still can't do it themselves yet.
But they'll figure it out.
And it's just so awesome to just watch them pair up with each other.
Well I choose their pairs for this because I want them to mix it up.
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And sometimes when you're too comfortable with your partner, you end up just goofing.
As you and I know.
And so I pair them up and every single class so far has just been like not even a question like, yep.
Okay.
They go to their partner.
They film their movies.
What take turns being director and actor.
And they're doing human pixelation this week.
So where they make it look like a human is doing something impossible.
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And it's just magic.
These are great challenges for the kids.
It's like artistic and it's teaching them technical skills and probably stuff for collaborating.
It's just awesome.
You're a good teacher.
Thank you.
Okay.
What's haunting me is I was at an equity training this week and the trainer said something to me that's been haunting me all week.
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I've been thinking about it.
She taught us about the concept called responsible not my fault.
As one phrase, responsible not my fault.
Which means there are things in your life that are not your fault that happen.
But you're still responsible for them in some way.
So for example, it was an example at work would be you are walking down the hall and you see garbage on the ground.
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It's not my fault.
I didn't put the garbage there, but I am responsible for helping make sure that the building looks nice and I'm taking an example.
So it's still, I'm still responsible for picking it up and throwing it away.
And just that phrase.
Just as a teacher and a mom, it's been popping into my life like multiple times a day, right?
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Somebody's alarm doesn't go off and they're like, it's not my fault.
It's not my fault.
Right.
It's not your fault.
Maybe it is.
But you're still responsible for like, you know, arranging what you need to get there as on time as possible and communicating and apologizing.
And you're still responsible for like, you're part of it.
I don't know.
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Maybe that resonates with people who are somebody who's listening that you can kind of look out for that in your own life.
Yeah, it's really helpful with with kids for sure is in ourselves, but I think it's a good way for kids.
There's so much passing of the buck.
Like, I didn't do it.
It wasn't mine.
Yes.
Well, first of all, half the time or more it is right.
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I watched you drop that before please pick it up.
I didn't drop that.
I know, but it's right underneath your seat. Could you please pick it up for me and put it away?
Yeah.
So yeah, I think responsible not my fault.
It's a good lesson to keep in your back pocket.
For sure.
I like that too.
Was it done yet?
Was that the presenter?
She's in Georgia.
Yes.
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Yes.
Yeah, she's great.
Fantastic.
You've had the same training.
Yeah, probably three times.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, she's my first time.
She's nice.
She's very knowledgeable and cool.
Was she in person or zoom?
Zoom.
Okay.
Well, this week is Amanda's turn to tell me a story that I may or may not have ever
heard about.
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So she's got a smile on her face.
I'm excited.
I don't know if you're...
I'm always excited.
We'll see how today goes.
Today's topic is very cerebral.
We're going to get...
If we're having to have to get pretty thinking and put your smile on.
It's only Tuesday.
I should have plenty of brain left.
I'm also switching it up because, you know, usually I like to tell a story about somebody
who's had some kind of experience, but this is different.
We're going to kind of talk about a topic.
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Oh, that's kind of like what I like.
Yeah.
So I'm switching it up a little bit.
Okay.
See if you like it.
And then I'll come at you with a personal story from somebody next time and we'll build
everybody's mind.
Okay, I got it.
And I have to apologize.
It is my birthday and I usually work on these during the day, but I...
Good.
I'm glad you didn't do a damn thing.
I did, really.
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No, I mean, I have something, but it's not as organized as I would like.
So we're going to follow through it and...
It will probably be just like one of my stories where I spend days and days on it.
And it's still...
It's like I just threw up on the computer.
I love it.
Okay.
Have you ever had a coincidence happen that felt too impossible to be a coincidence or
like the timing was too perfect?
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Like deja vu?
Kind of.
Because I get deja vu every once in a while.
Well, we're going to talk about...
I don't know about a quiz.
I've seen my own doppleganger.
That's wild.
Yeah, let's say that story sometime.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, today we're going to talk about a psychiatrist named Carl Jung.
Oh, Jung.
Jungian.
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Yes.
Yeah.
What do you...
You know a lot about him?
I used to know more because I have a master's in marriage and family therapy.
So the Jungian philosophies and practices were something that we had to read about if
not practice ourselves.
That's really cool.
I didn't know he was part of like modern studies because I find him really fascinating.
And I didn't know that he was...
I mean, you still even...
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You read about and you learn about Freud.
Yeah.
So like there's still Jungian and Piaget and Freudian and lots of them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
You'll have a lot to contribute.
You can kind of...
Well, we'll see because I don't know if I could tell you exactly what he was about until
you make it...
Until you remind me of some Piaget and phrases.
Yeah.
I want to talk about Carl Jung or Jung.
It's spelled with a J.
So, but I guess it's pronounced Jung.
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Mm-hmm.
He has a lot of writings and research and thoughts about something called synchronicity.
Synchronicity.
That rings the bell for you, right?
Yeah.
So it's like the reoccurrence of events or aligning up of events that like you said at
the start are just two...
I'm trying to turn our heaters back on but I don't know if I can.
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They're just two...
I'm sorry for the editing you're going to have to do.
Oh, it's okay.
Oh my gosh.
Let's just pull out all the stops.
All the bells and whistles.
Go!
Car radio.
Go!
Can somebody...
Can somebody call me or text or start a podcast on my...
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If it's your first time listening, we record in the car while my daughter and I are on
the dance class.
Yeah, what was your first clue?
Okay, hold on now.
Stop it.
Okay, I just want to turn off the car so we don't hear the engine but still have seat
heaters.
Is that possible car?
No.
Fung.
Okay, well, I tried.
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We're talking about synchronicity.
Synchronicity.
And Carl Jung.
Carl Gustav Jung was born July 26, 1875 in Kesswell, Switzerland.
Mm-hmm.
His father was a pastor.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yep.
And his mother came from a family with mystical interests.
Interesting.
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I don't even know what that means but that's what it says on Wikipedia.
So, tarot or crystal ball gazing or dowsing rods.
Dowsing rods, sances.
Yes, because that was...
When was he born?
In 1875.
1875.
So this is post-Civil War where there was a huge spiritualism movement.
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So this is where there was so much...
Civil War was one moment that this happened.
There's been periods of time in history where there's been mass loss in American life.
And so then people are just mass sudden loss of like a lot of young people, for example,
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like in a war.
And so then they're turning to something desperately to maintain contact or proof of the afterlife.
And spiritualism is where seances were born from.
Yeah.
Table tapping and all this stuff.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Okay, so he's got kind of two different really influential...
I can't speak.
I wonder how his parents came to be together.
I don't know.
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That's awesome.
Yeah.
So he has this dual influence of like a religious but distant father and an emotional woo-woo kind
of thing together.
That's just how he grew up.
And that had a significant impact on his developing worldview.
Yeah, I bet.
I bet.
So yeah, I can imagine.
He often retreated into his imagination.
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He had a very vivid dream life.
And when he went to college, he studied medicine and psychiatry.
One of the most pivotal relationships he had was with Mr. Sigmund Freud.
You mentioned that.
I didn't know that.
They had a strong bond.
Where everything with Mr. Freud is a your mom joke.
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I know.
Or that's when she said everything ties back to sex with your mom.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Freud.
Whenever I read about him, it just seems like a joke to me.
Yeah, he did have some pervade...
What's the word?
Pervasive or the ongoing ideas that have stuck in like I can get behind.
But so much of it is just tied back to edipal complex and stuff like that.
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Yeah, but Young was interested in Freud's work because Freud was also studying the unconscious.
And they lived in the same part of the world.
Were they both in this?
Freud's German.
Okay.
Yeah, I believe he's German.
Just over the Alps, I guess.
Yeah.
Freud saw Young as like a younger heir and hoped that he would continue his intellectual work.
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He would be able to pass on that intellectual work to him.
Kind of reminds me of like Willy Wonka and Charlie.
Giving him the chocolate factory.
Giving him the chocolate factory.
Here's my psychiatry practice.
Aren't you excited?
Don't mind the little men, the little orchard men.
I'd like to explore the psychiatry behind why you have all the little people hired for you.
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Fair practices and all.
Well, unfortunately, Lindsay, their relationship went sour.
What happened?
They just had different, as Young was developing his theories and Freud was developing his theories, they went different paths.
They diverted.
They diverted.
Two trails diverged in a yellow wood.
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So Freud was in a yellow wood?
That's from a poem, but now it's like Robert Cross.
No, I know.
But is it a yellow?
It's Walt Whitman.
But is it a yellow wood?
What's a yellow wood?
I don't know.
I'm going to look it up. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood.
Two paths.
Yellow wood.
An eye being of something took the one last trouble.
I took the one last trouble.
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Yellow wood?
What's the name of the poem?
I don't know.
Let me look.
It is a yellow wood.
Hey, Amanda for the win birthday girl.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood.
So, okay.
I'm going to read it and I being of and sorry, I could not travel
both and be one traveler long.
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I stood and looked down one as far as I could to wear a bent in the
undergrowth.
Then took the other as just as fair and having perhaps the better
claim because it was grassy and wanted wear, though as for that,
the passing there had warned them really about the same and both
that morning equally lay and leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day yet knowing how way leads on
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to way.
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence
two roads diverged in a wood and I I took the one less traveled
by and that has made all the difference.
I think it's the last one that I remember the very.
Yeah, no, you remember the first line and the last you remember
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the very first and last put them together two rows diverged in
the yellow wood.
I took the one less traveled by and that has made all the
difference and I just remember two rows diverged in the wood.
So wow, good work man.
That's my favorite type of poetry.
I love.
Yeah, I love Stephen Crane, but that's Robert Frost.
Robert, you were right.
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Double birthday.
Holy crap.
I've always attributed that to Walt women.
I'm so sorry, Robert Frost.
Okay, so Freud and Young had this wonderful father son kind of
relationship, but they really fell apart.
They fell out of sorts with each other because Freud was adamant
that it was sexuality that was the primary motivator of human
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behavior and young totally disagreed and he believed that
conscious unconsciousness had a broader range of forces,
including spiritual ones.
So they parted ways and young began his own journey developing
analytical psychology.
After they broke up, it was really hard on young.
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It was like a kind of an upheaval for him.
It really affected him like a breakup would.
But ultimately it led to the creation of his own psychological
framework and he wrote in his autobiography.
I'm going to have you read just this quote from his autobiography here.
Okay, so from Carl Young and the concept of synchronicity.
I had to leave him not because I wanted to, but because I had to.
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I was convinced that I could no longer work under Freud's domination
because our views were too different.
Oh, and that's from memories, dreams, reflections, page 136.
Okay.
This time when I used domination.
I know there's it's almost sounds like that's like when you grow up
like truly like a father something where you grow up and you realize
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you can think for yourself and you don't agree.
Yeah.
With the sort of the value system of your parental units.
And so you just got to leave and cleave.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
So he's on his own now and this is where he really firmly develops
the concept of synchronicity.
So he is the early 20th century and synchronicity according to young
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people is the meaningful coincidence of two or more events or phenomena
that are not casually related, but appear to be connected in a significant
way.
And I'm, we're starting thinking about things that maybe have happened to
you because I'm going to ask all of our listeners and everybody to think
about moments when synchronicity happened to them.
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Okay.
These events of synchronicity, they have like a deeper almost spiritual
meaning and they can feel too perfectly timed to just be coincidence.
Okay.
And here's what's cool.
This, this totally ties into the telepathy tapes that we've been obsessed
with.
Okay.
So the concept of young's exploration of the unconscious, he believed in
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the possibility of a shared universal consciousness.
Oh, sweet.
Yeah.
Same.
Okay.
Okay.
I did not know that about him.
That's awesome.
That didn't come up at school.
Like what did they teach you?
I don't remember that.
Well, that's the thing is I don't really even remember.
I'd have to, I'd have to go through his framework and see which part of this
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were we trying to apply or learn about because I don't remember the synchronicity
bit.
I definitely don't remember the like collective consciousness bit because I
would have been like, yeah, that's my dude.
I know.
Uh, or maybe I wouldn't have because that was a different time in my life.
Right.
I've been really drawn to that.
So I don't remember that.
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We probably just focused on his relationships and how people relate to one
another.
So I'm going to now tell you some examples of synchronicity coming up in
people's lives.
And you can be thinking of something maybe that.
Okay.
I'm working on it.
I'm chewing on it.
So one of the most famous personal experiences that young had, he had a
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connection who came to him and was extremely skeptical of him and all of his
things that he believed, which I don't know why you would go to a doctor anyway
if you're feeling that skeptical.
So for a challenge, I'm going to pay you even though I don't believe in anything
you do.
You flim flam artist.
Exactly.
Take my wallet.
I do.
That's what she said.
We need to call people flim flam artists.
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Oh, it's the best.
I heard.
I've been tossing it around in regards to our president because I listened to
Stacey Abrams podcast assembly required and it's great because it just lays out what's
going on and what the impacts might be on the American people and how we little people
might, little things we can do to help.
She is an amazing politician and incredible lawyer and just awesome, but she's like,
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he's a flim flam artist where it's like a little over here.
Look over here.
Look over here.
But now I've got this in my hand.
He's just like.
And he's got so much going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this woman did not trust their believe in young, but some reason she comes to him
and he's working with her and trying to get her to open up and he shares with her this
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story about a golden scarab, which is a symbol of transformation and renewal in Egyptian
mythology.
As he's telling her the story at that exact moment, a beetle, which is like a scarab,
lies in through the window, sits on the window sill and is just like sitting there staring
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at this woman.
Cool.
So he really writes about that in his own way.
It was so uncanny.
The coincidence was so uncanny to the patient that that was her breakthrough method.
That was her breakthrough moment where she was like, okay, maybe young is onto something
about the universe and shared consciousness kind of being a part of our experience here
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on the planet.
Yeah.
So here's another quote from any time you have that moment of like, did you just see
that?
Did that really just happen?
And then we're like, no way.
And that happens to us all the time.
It happens to us all the time.
And it's like what happened with the tarot reading in our last episode.
Well, and every time we guess what each other's going to talk about.
Yeah.
This time I couldn't have.
Yeah.
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All right.
The coincidence quote, the coincidence of the scarab with the emotional situation of
the patient had a profound effect on her.
The emotional state was lifted by this symbolic event and she was able to open up in a new
way.
Oh, yeah.
That's really cool.
I mean, I don't know, working as a therapist and so much of it was, it felt sometimes like
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a hope and a prayer or a whistle and a prayer or a throw a dollar in the fire and hope for
something better.
I don't know.
Just there was a lot of like, I don't know what's going to stick.
I don't know what's going to break through.
But I ended up writing my thesis on the power of vulnerability.
It was the moments that my clients would break down and cry.
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That catharsis moment that would or that moment of emotional vulnerability would be a catharsis
a lot of the time.
Yeah.
It was a huge turning point in their life.
Yeah.
And I had most of them had nothing to do with it.
Like they would come to me sometimes.
The very first one was a big emotional breakdown or other times we'd be meeting for 12 weeks
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and it would be the 13th week where something would snap probably or possibly a synchronous
event happened maybe that triggered that response and then they just happened to see me that
day.
So but there was always a major shift after like an emotional cleansing.
That's really interesting.
Yeah.
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And there's an emotional piece to the synchronicity that Young is describing.
It's not just a random thing happening that doesn't that seems out of place out of coincidence.
But it's also that emotional feeling that you have.
We were like you recognize and feel yeah.
And feel drawn to it.
It can be.
Here's another example.
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So my mom whenever I see a pine cone I think of my mom because I have a really funny story.
My mom used to collect pine cones and get them from like she'd mail order them and she'd
make these beautiful reads like Christmas reads out of pine cones.
One day I'm sitting in my high school.
Capital High School Olympia Washington sitting in the classroom and somebody goes hey Amanda
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isn't that your mom out on the lawn.
She was gathering.
She was my mom who's my age now right.
She was my age.
And I don't know if anyone imagine she was like right outside the school window bent
over and like her sweatpants picking up pine cones on the school grounds and all my friends
were like oh your mom's out there.
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Okay well I'm gonna burst your bubble though a little bit.
Yeah.
This is a science nerd in me.
Okay.
We don't have pine cones here.
We don't have pine cones.
Well what was she picking up?
Fur cones.
Fur cones.
From fir trees.
Pine trees are up in the in mountainous region.
Okay well because.
I didn't know that I always thought they were pine cones.
And the way I remember that is somebody and I don't remember who told me the story and
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who it was about but I do remember that like that's how I'm always gonna remember it was
somebody gave their said told their son or their child I'll give you a nickel for every
pine cone you pick up out of the backyard and it was just the kid was like yes because
it was just littered.
Yeah.
Picked up every single one brings bucket loads in and then they're like well it doesn't
look like you made anything today.
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What?
Yes those are fir cones.
Wow.
So it's important to know what you're doing.
Well it's good now I know thank you for the info.
Yeah.
And you've talked about maybe wanting to get a tattoo at some point.
I do well she would also order pine cones because she would order them.
That's why she would order them is because she couldn't get them here.
Yeah.
That's why.
Yeah and I've been wanting to get them.
So she maybe used a combination of fir and pine cones.
Yeah I was calling all kinds of cool like tree cones from like other parts of the world.
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She was so rad.
And they were really pretty.
She was fun but so my mom has passed away and here's the synchronicity piece so there
will be times in my life where I'll be talking about my mom or thinking about her and then
a pine cone will just appear.
Maybe I turn a page in a book and there's a picture of a pine cone or maybe I it's just
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like it's on the TV or yeah.
So it's so not only is it a weird coincidence but it's also got that emotional reaction
in me.
So I think that's a good example of a synchronicity.
Yeah for sure.
I think that it's got a broad range of definition but you could put it in that category.
I think a lot of people can relate to the feeling of getting some sort of sign from
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a deceased loved one.
Yeah.
In the form of a cardinal bird or a butterfly.
Butterfly.
Butterfly.
Dragonfly.
Hummingbird.
Those kinds of things.
I know my mom listens to the podcast so hi mom and also she's always loved hummingbirds
but she uses the Spanish word colibri and so when she passes away I'm totally getting
(25:46):
an awesome rad watercolor hummingbird tattoo but I suspect that she's gonna send me hummingbirds
every once in a while which I hope you do mom.
That'd be hilarious and awesome.
Yeah.
Do what you can.
Do what you can.
Start playing it now.
Yeah.
I think these synchronicities can be really special and magical and I'm gonna send dolphins
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to my kids which will be a little harder.
That'll be a little harder.
Like with the panko.
Pictures or images.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you are new, if you're listening and this is your first time hearing about synchronicity
for me the first time I heard of it was like kind of like a shift in my experience in
the world because I was more aware of synchronicities after learning about it the first time.
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You'll see what I'm talking about and then you need to report back to us.
You'll turn off this podcast and you'll start to see things that are like whoa that can't
be coincidental.
Yeah.
Or like if you have a favorite number and often like my favorite number is the number
33 and I don't know why but it's always been my favorite number ever since I can remember
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and I will see the number 33.
It's wild how many times that number pops up.
But then there's also that phenomenon of when you're in the market for a certain car.
Yeah.
All of a sudden you see those cars.
Cars everywhere.
Yeah.
Or hair color or you know something that you're considering and you're studying, you're researching
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it will the universe will just like make it pop off the page.
Yeah.
Everywhere you go and I don't know if that's part of synchronicity or if that's just a
hyper awareness.
Yeah.
Due to whatever your decision you're trying to make.
I don't know maybe there's some crossover between the two.
It's fun though I love synchronicity.
I do too.
There's a movie called Synchronicity isn't there?
Is it Romcom?
It sounds like it would be a Sandra Pollock one.
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Wait, wait, wait.
I have to guess.
I think I know it's John.
Who's the guy who played, who like held the radio up in your eyes?
Oh the classic grand gesture.
John Cusack and I'm going to call it, I'm going to do it.
It was the girl who was in all those vampire movies who's really pretty.
Kate Beckinsale.
(27:55):
Oh.
Tell me if I'm right.
I'm looking.
I'm on my birthday so I'm on fire with Robert Frost and everything.
Okay.
No.
Then edit it out if I got it wrong.
Unless there's a different synchronicity.
So 2015.
What I'm thinking of maybe it's called serendipity.
Will you look at serendipity?
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That's serendipity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think I'm thinking of serendipity too actually.
But there is a movie called Synchronicity.
A physicist who invents a time machine must travel back to the past to uncover the truth
about his creation and the woman who is trying to steal it.
Okay.
But is that a synchronicity?
It doesn't seem like it kind of aligns.
That what you just read doesn't really align with.
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Well I mean that was just the one sentence synopsis.
I guess it's hard to.
Well we'll have to watch it.
Yeah.
Let's watch it.
It's intriguing.
With the actors I've never heard of before in my life.
Oh except for Michael Ironside.
Oh he's so creepy.
Can I see a picture?
He's in 6888 which I just watched.
Yeah.
Have you seen 6888?
Oh you gotta watch it.
What's it on?
(28:57):
It's a Netflix true story of the first and only Black All-Women's Battalion in World
War II and yeah and what they went through.
I do need to watch that.
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
But the story that I was angry I had never been taught.
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Never even heard of it before.
I watched the Netflix series.
I have one more example of synchronicity to share and it comes from.
I mean as many as you got.
Well do you remember that documentary that we both loved called Hellier?
Yes.
If you haven't seen Hellier, if you're listening, you haven't seen Hellier.
It is bananas.
Go to Amazon Prime and watch it.
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There's two seasons.
It is incredible and part of why it's incredible is there are all these synchronicities that
happen as they're like they go on an adventure kind of a paranormal mystery adventure investigation.
That's how it starts.
Yeah.
And that's why I went that way because they follow this trail of synchronicities and they
end up in a whole different adventure than they thought they would be on when they started.
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But there's this tin cup.
In the documentary there's a tin cup.
Just an old like you know a tin cup that your Campbell soup comes in.
Like for camping.
For camping.
A little tin cup.
And this tin cup it's not the same cup but they keep running into tin cups along their
journey.
So weird.
They're in a really weird synchronicity kind of way.
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So they'll be for example it kind of becomes a clue.
Like they're on the right track.
Like they're on the right track.
So they'll just be out on a hike or whatever kind of lost kind of like where do we go next?
I don't know.
And then they'll see a tin cup.
And they'll follow that and then they'll have like this incredible paranormal experience.
(30:46):
They'll talk about it.
They'll investigate it and then a little bit later they'll run into another tin cup.
So bizarre.
I forgot all about that.
Yeah.
So there was a lot of symbolism with the cup and it just absolutely extraordinary circumstances
that it pops up in.
I definitely recommend.
Anyway that was pretty much my story of young.
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If you want to know more about him like he went on to get married.
He had five children with this woman named Emma and he thought of her as a great confidant
and she helped him with his research.
However he had other mistresses on the side.
Yes.
One of them was named Tony Wolf who was one of his collaborators and intellectual partners.
(31:30):
So she was like like this like the secretary you're having an affair with who helps you
at work too.
And he said a bunch of those and he he's quoted as saying I was always aware of my need for
a woman's presence.
Okay.
Like me too buddy but I'm not sleeping with him.
Like.
Yeah.
(31:51):
It doesn't make sense.
It sounds like he's trying to be like flattering of the female species and like appreciative.
No you're objectifying.
Yeah.
Because it's not about relationship to you.
It's about you just when you want to have a woman around you when you want to touch
a woman you should there better be one right there at your disposal.
And then he can excuse it off like well I can't be intellectually brilliant without
(32:14):
one so.
Well that's probably true.
That excuses my affairs.
Because I just always have to have a woman with me.
Dummy.
What a dummy.
So small.
So small.
So cave man.
I want to look and see his framework real quick.
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You can see his framework.
Yeah.
It's maybe something that you could I guess people study him like you said in college.
That's cool.
He also was really into traveling.
He traveled extensively to India, Africa, American Southwest and like on those travels
he's learning about and comparing religions, mythology.
He's really fascinated by all the cultures he encountered and he integrates elements
(32:59):
and symbolism of all their philosophies into his theories.
He kept working until his health declined in the 1950s and he passed away in 1961 at
the age of 85.
And his legacy is pretty enormous.
Yeah.
The two things I remember are about projection and individuation.
Well, thank you Carl Young for all these awesome insights that we still use today and
(33:25):
think about.
You're pretty cool other than the affairs.
And I'm going to look and see if just to be safe was Carl Young problematic beyond
obviously just as if these affairs weren't enough.
Oh.
Uh oh, do you want to share that?
First word I see racism.
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Oh yeah.
I assume that's.
I like to just give a well rounded sort of you know if we're saying thank you Carl Young
I also want to make sure that we don't think him for that.
Right.
Yeah.
No, like all these same videos was Carl Young an anti-Semite?
Carl Young's outdated beliefs throughout race.
Carl Young was a bad guy.
Oh no.
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Was Carl Young a Nazi sympathizer?
Well, this episode is not really to glorify him but more of his.
That concept of synchronicity.
The concept of synchronicity.
Because that's your homework.
Your homework is to look for these profound coincidences, these synchronicities in your
life and tell us what they are because we think it's a really fascinating topic.
(34:28):
Yeah.
Yeah, we're like, I call it the do do do do do do moments.
Yeah.
You're just like whoo.
That podcast comes out good.
That was fun.
Different than our usual one.
Totally different.
We're class dismissed.
And don't open the door.
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