February 5, 2025 • 48 mins
In this Eerie Extra Credit episode of The Paranormal Classroom, Amanda shares a lucid dream that may have taken her to The Hill referenced in The Telepathy Tapes Podcast: shaking her reality-and bringing Lindsay to tears.
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The Paranormal Classroom.
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Hey there, welcome to something we're calling Eerie Extra Credit.
It's a spooky little bonus from the Paranormal Classroom.
Sometimes Amanda and I have conversations that take unexpected twists, but they're
too good not to share and don't quite fit into a full episode.
So that's where this Eerie Extra Credit comes in.
It should be a short, sweet dose of our odd anecdotes and all the mysterious musings we
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just couldn't leave behind.
Let's dive into the strange corners we missed and explore even more of the unknown.
You've told me process it.
Yeah.
I haven't told anybody.
Well, that's not true.
I'll tell one person I'll tell you at the end of this recording.
You're going to tell me at the end?
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Yeah.
I don't know where you want to start this, but I think-
I'll call Cleo.
Remember Cleo the Espoirger on one night?
Do you remember those little commercials I was like that would be?
Yes, I do.
Yeah.
Okay, well, good evening.
This is an Eerie Extra Credit.
Extra Credit.
We are recording before we record our full length episode because Amanda has some things
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to share and it might go on for a bit and we want to give space for people to listen
to this and then separately listen to a podcast with a different topic or just listen to one
or the other.
Right.
So basically I had an experience two days ago that I'm going to share with everybody
and I'm really nervous about sharing it.
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It's really bizarre and I'm nervous about sharing it because once you put that out there, it's
open to criticism and I don't know.
I don't know what people are going to say when they hear my story.
Because a lot of people like us are really interested in the telepathy tapes.
It's really kind of speaking to them and this story is kind of related and I think people
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will have opinions about what I did.
Did I do the right thing?
And just for the record, I have no idea except that you texted me at 3.38.
It was like 4 a.m.
4 a.m.
Yeah.
And I didn't get it till about 4.35 and it was just that you had this experience and
you were dying to tell me but you weren't going to tell me until I recorded the podcast.
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So that was three days ago?
So that's all I know is just that it has something to do with the telepathy tapes and it's been
heavy on your mind.
So I'm excited.
I'm nervous too.
I'm nervous too.
I'm nervous too.
Here we go.
The telepathy tapes.
So if you are just listening to us for the first time, we've been listening to the telepathy
tapes podcast.
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We love it.
We're a little skeptical of it but we're also like believers of it.
We're very like kind of in between.
We have questions but we want it to be, we just want to know more.
And I in particular, I don't know about you, Lens, but I've been really drawn to the hill,
all the stories of the hill.
Do you want to tell everybody what the hill is?
Sure.
So according to the telepathy, I still can't say it, the telepathy tapes podcast and the
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people interviewed.
The parents and these young people with non-speaking autism or limited verbal autism, they have
telepathic abilities whereby they can communicate with one another and with some of their adults
in their lives, they can hear each other's thoughts.
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They can hear the thoughts of caregivers, of teachers, things like that.
And the hill is a mental place where they can gather telepathically and communicate with
one another telepathically.
So it's not a real place.
It's a metaphysical place.
It's a place in another dimension of some kind where these people can congregate almost
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like virtually.
It's like a cosmic zoom meeting where they can get together and they can talk.
Even though in their day to day lives, they're not verbal with people.
So this is a place where they can communicate and they say they can communicate more effectively,
more efficiently, more deeply than they would with words or with their spelling boards.
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Yeah, that was well said.
And some people who are not a member of the non-verbal autistic community have purported
to go there.
So the most recent episode of the telepathy tapes is their talk tracks about a man named
Dan who claims that he's been to the hill three times.
He's like a parent educator or something.
Yeah, he's like volunteering in the classroom.
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And he's had incredible experiences.
And we actually, we got a message from one of the parents involved in that.
And I guess we can save that for another episode.
I'm dying to just know what your personal experience was.
So I might have gone to the hill two nights ago.
It was a lucid dream for sure.
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I'm not saying that I did because I think that it's weird to be like, I did this really
crazy paranormal thing.
So I don't, I don't know what happened, but I definitely was lucid dreaming.
So I was either lucid dreaming and it was all my imagination or I might have gone there.
How do you know you were lucid dreaming?
I know I was lucid dreaming because I was in control of my choices within the dream.
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And I've only had that happen three times before.
I'm guessing like three times before.
It's very, very rare for me.
Yeah.
I don't know if I've ever had it happen, if I'm honest.
Yeah.
And the other thing that's incredible about it is I remember, I remember everything
when I woke up.
I don't usually remember my dreams.
I'll remember them for a second or I'll be like, that was great.
Right.
Because you don't write them down or tell somebody it's gone.
No, because they're gone within like a few seconds.
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I remember this dream two days ago, this lucid dream experience, the way that I remember
having lunch yesterday, like I remember it.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Are you ready?
Did you write your own picture?
I wrote it down.
I wrote everything.
Okay.
She's getting out her little floral journal.
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So I woke up around 3 a.m. because my husband was snoring and I went into another room to
go to sleep.
To sleep.
To get some peace.
And I turned on meditation music, which I don't usually do, but I heard it at 3 a.m.
That's a good time to meditate.
So the witching hour.
The witching hour.
So every now and then I'll do that.
I turned on the meditation music, laid down and at some point.
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What was it?
Do you like specifically just something like on iTunes or like the meditation music?
Yeah, it was like, hey Alexa, hey Alexa play meditation music.
Okay.
Okay.
So this is what I would do.
Yeah.
Same.
I, at some point I was asleep but awake at the same time.
I don't know how to explain it.
Like I was in the room in the same position and I went, oh my gosh, I think I'm sleeping,
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but I think, I think I'm aware of what's going on right now.
I had that thought.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That right there is one.
And I was in the room.
Like I could see the whole room and everything.
And then I said to myself, okay, well if I'm lucid dreaming, I'm going to fly out this
window.
And the second I thought it, I was doing it.
I flew out the window in my, in my like backyard.
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What?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, so now I'm outside the house realizing that I'm lucid dreaming and I,
Time out, time out.
I just want our listeners to know neither, not that it's any of your business people,
but neither Amanda nor I have ever had any like drug related experiences.
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Like in the state of Washington where we live, marijuana is legal and I've never even done
weed.
No.
Not in any form.
It's on my bucket list, but I still have never done it.
So when Amanda says something like this, you can rest assured like she doesn't drink to
intoxication.
No, she doesn't do any dabbling, any recreational drugs.
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So okay.
Yeah.
Wild.
Oh, it's going to get wilder.
And if you don't believe me, it's okay.
Like if anybody listened to this does not believe me, it is okay.
Because I don't know that I believe it.
I definitely had, you had something.
An experience, but I don't, it could have just all been my imagination.
But I was, I was awake enough, it lucid enough to know that I was dreaming and that I was
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in control.
And you were making decisions.
And as I made decisions, they happen instantly.
So my next decision, I'm outside my house like floating and I'm like, oh, this is awesome.
I'm lucid dreaming.
I'm like, I'm like excited.
Wow.
And I went, okay, well, if I could go anywhere, you know, normally I would say Disneyland,
but I was like, if I can go anywhere, I would go to the hill and the instant I thought it,
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I have full body choice.
Yeah.
I have goosebumps too.
I was in a different space and this is what the space was like.
It was all blue, bright blue, like a pretty sunny day.
Okay.
And I was floating in the space.
There was no material and it was just a space bright, bright blue.
And it was, there was a high pitched ringing sound that was very loud.
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Frequency.
It was very prominent.
It was, it almost irritated me the sound.
It wasn't like a negative sound, but it was loud.
Okay.
And in front of me, floating about as far away as someone would be across the street
was a man who was floating in a comfortable position, kind of like on his side.
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And he, yeah, and he looked human.
I laugh about this because every time I think about him, I picture, you remember that meme
of Jeff Goldblum where he's laying on his side?
Yeah.
He's all comfortable and he's all like, hey girl.
So I've been referring to this guy as my Jeff Goldblum.
We all lean in Jeff Goldblum.
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Oh, that's awesome.
I don't know who he was.
And in the talk tapes of the telepathy podcast, Dan says there was a teacher who was there
that he had to like.
Calls him a divine being.
He said he was a divine being, a teacher said he had to kind of go through him to get access
to the hill.
How interesting.
I have no idea if that's, this is the same kind of thing.
Into the air, whatever.
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He's very human and I asked him and I didn't ask him by with words, like I asked him with
thoughts.
I said, can I go to the hill?
And he nodded and instantly another like bang, I was in another space.
What?
Yeah.
So you were in like the waiting room and then I guess you got access to something else.
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Yeah, I guess.
Okay.
So what then what?
So I'm in a space where there's a lot of people and I'm thinking in my head.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this might, this might be the hill or a hill or wherever.
I'm very aware, like the entire dream.
So but something surprised me because there were no children in this space.
There were like young adults or high school students or college age.
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Like it was people that age and I, I thought the hill would be people either.
You could see people.
Yeah.
It was full of people, but I'll explain like how I saw it.
Okay.
But it was, it was definitely crowded.
There were people there and they were young and I didn't, I thought the hill was like
kids, little, little kids like from the podcast, but I learned, well they were teenagers.
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A lot of them were teenagers, but I was digging later and someone on the internet said that
I'm going to have my kids cover the birds.
Yeah.
Someone on the internet heard that there are different hills for different age groups.
I don't know if that, I guess that makes sense because it would for appropriateness
and age and stage of development, what they're talking about, what matters to them.
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Yeah.
That makes sense.
But I didn't know that until after I had this experience.
So I remember in the experience I'm thinking, this is not what I expected because I thought
there'd be kids, like little kids like we're used to at school.
And this group of teens, like they welcomed me.
They were like the, they were like, welcome, friendly, like friendly, welcome.
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Obviously I wasn't invited.
They knew you were in time with fear.
I wasn't invited though, but, but they were friendly enough to be cordial.
Yeah.
They were very cordial.
It's such a weird story to tell, Lindsay.
So this is what the space was like.
Things didn't appear visually to me until I thought about them.
So I had a moment where I was like, oh my gosh, if I'm in the hill, I need to remember
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what this looks like.
And as soon as I had that thought, that's when I saw like green, green grass, green meadows,
like a park.
I saw green hedges, like, like a, like a garden.
But I, and so I didn't see those things until I thought about them.
Okay.
It was kind of like everything I thought happened right then, just like when I was like, oh,
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I'm going to fly and then boom, I'm flying.
And when I wasn't thinking about them, they weren't there.
And then I was like, okay, I have to remember these people.
And when I thought about them, when I had that thought, I could see them.
I could see the people that I was with.
There was a girl, there was a larger boy, and there was a blonde boy that I was with.
You're like, do we need to like, I don't know.
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I don't know how to process this experience that I had.
I do not think that's kind of why I want to talk about it and put it out there.
Yes.
Yes.
Um, the blonde boy was especially friendly and, and like, I felt like I had a little
more of a connection with him.
I just, I just remember I didn't want him more.
About how old?
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Like just two years?
They were, it was hard to tell, but they were like, I would say like 18 to 20.
Oh, like they're adults.
Young adults.
Like they're really adults or high school.
It's kind of hard to know for sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
They were friendly and they hung out with me and they were, and, and I was friendly
to them, but I didn't know what to say.
I was, I was like, oh my God, like I wasn't expecting to be here.
Right.
I only had this thought like, you know, a few minutes ago and suddenly I'm here.
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So I'm thinking, oh my gosh, well, I have to have some way to prove that this is where
I meant to myself.
I have to have some way to prove this experience.
So what I did was I, I taught them, I taught this group I was with my, a song of my phone
number.
That's the song that I taught to my kids when they were like in kindergarten and they had
to learn their home phone number.
Yeah.
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So I was singing the song with them of my phone number and we, and we sang the song about
three times and they go, I got it.
They're like, yeah, lockdown.
Yeah.
And I said, I said, well, I know as a teacher it takes a lot more repetitions to like memorize
something.
Maybe not for these kids.
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I said, are you sure you don't want to sing it again?
And they're like, they're like a shirt me.
I got it.
I got it.
Yeah.
So like we're on, I don't know if you caught this lady, but we're all communicating telepathically.
So, so we got our abilities and gifts are pretty legit.
Yeah.
Three times is enough.
Yeah.
Have you gotten any texts or phone calls?
Not yet, but that's what I asked them.
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I said, I said, you know, if it comes up, try and get my phone number out, try and get
your caregiver to, or someone to text me so that I can know that this experience was real.
And that's what I'm like, are you sure you don't want to do the phone number song again?
And they're like, I got it.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then it was about that point and it felt like maybe half an hour, maybe 40 minutes
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had passed.
And I felt like I was done.
Like I felt like it was time to, they were so nice, but it was time for me to go and
let them have their, their evening.
And as soon as I had that thought that it was time to say goodbye, I was back in my room
and I had, and I found a journal and a piece of, and a pen and I wrote down every single
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thing that happened like moment by moment.
It's my list here.
I wrote it all down.
And after I finished writing it down, then I woke up for real.
I woke up for real then.
And I was like, like reeling from this experience and thinking, oh my gosh, nope.
I just had a crazy experience.
You were writing in a lucid dream, like really writing.
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I can see purple writing on paper.
Yep.
Every little thing.
Well, it was in my dream.
Then I woke up and, and I, you know, you're groggy a little bit when you wake up and I
was like kind of trying to process what just happened to me.
And then I was like, oh crap, I haven't really written it down.
I have to really write it down.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Got you.
I used to have dreams like that, but it was when I was a little kid and I would have
a dream that I was going to the bathroom.
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Yeah.
And I would wet the bed.
Oh, that's so sad.
Yours is right there.
Why are you really cool if I like wrote in my dream and woke up and there was a piece
of paper there?
That would be miraculous.
Okay.
No, I had to write.
Okay, got it.
Then now I'm actually awake.
I'm truly awake.
And I wrote everything down and I looked at the clock and it had been 40 minutes, about
40 minutes, the exact amount of time that I felt like it was when I was lucid dreaming,
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which has never happened to me before.
I've never had a sense of time while you're dreaming.
While I'm dreaming.
No, because time is so just bent and twisted and all over the place in a dream.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And I remember the blonde boy's name who was really friendly and I'm going to tell
it to you, but not on the podcast.
Okay.
So I don't want anybody taking advantage of it.
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Okay.
So if I manage to hear from, you know, so if I get a text or I connect with someone,
a boy, a blonde boy who has this name, then I'll know that it's real.
I'm going to stand up for a second.
I got a couple of breaths.
Okay.
I mean, 100% I believe you.
I have no reason not to.
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You've never told me anything exaggerated or embellished or, you know, and never, I've
never caught in any kind of fiver or liar and not even anything close.
So I totally believe you.
I would love just confirmation just because not because I don't believe you, but because
I want you to have that confirmation.
I want the confirmation.
You're always a lot more skeptical.
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I think that I am.
I'm always, I just tend to believe people's experiences like, yep, that sounds legit.
And so for you, I really want for you to get something.
I don't know what I would do with myself if I actually had that confirmation.
Well, that's what I think you need to process.
Yeah.
I think you need to get to a place where you're ready for this to really happened.
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And I don't know exactly how to help you do that, but I will be there.
I will be there when that happens.
I think, I think it is, it's akin to like, well, I mean, it's a spiritual experience
for sure.
And I think if, if it is confirmed, then now the for sure the world as we know it is not
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the end of it, which I already believe that.
Yeah.
This would be confirmation for me.
This would be confirmation for me.
And it's really confirmation is individual, right?
Like when people have spiritual experiences, it's very, like people could be listening
to the story right now on the podcast and they're not going to have the same effect
that I'm having right now because I'm going through it.
Right.
Right.
And I think it's like, I'm just very vicariously experiencing it alongside you.
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And I think, but for you to, if you have it, this, if you get confirmation like this world
is not it, there's more week, the human brain is capable of this thing.
And I did it.
I already want that to be the case.
And because I trust you so much, I'd be like, it would be enough for me to go.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
that's what it is. I think it's insanely cool. It's insanely cool even
whether it's my imagination or not it's insanely cool. Either way, at minimum
you're processing on a deep level this thing that has rocked our
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worlds as far as being a paradigm shifter is what I keep saying. It has
radically changed the way I see people in general but especially my autistic
students and then thinking well if they're capable of it then others are
too possibly. I mean obviously if Dan and potentially you and others have gone
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then we all potentially have this ability to connect with one another in
this collective consciousness sort of thing and I think that's really really
cool and I crave something like that deeply especially right now when I just
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feel like there's... I haven't cried on the podcast before. I just feel like
there's so little hope right now. I've joked in the past like okay aliens come
take over take us take me now Canada take me adopt me. Aliens Canada whoever and
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now I just I keep thinking of like these kids like they get it like they
understand that love is love is love and everybody is equal and there's the
material world is not it. I would love to know what what these kids are thinking
about all this like what would they do if they had the power. What would that
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look like and I think that's that's what I crave really. Me too. I'm more loving
beautiful. Yeah. World yeah for us and our kids. We're all connected like because we
are we really are we've been told we've been all of us have been brainwashed to
believe that we're we're fractions of the human race and that some are
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better than others and those caste systems and even in this country there
caste systems and you know racial inequality and gender inequality and
all of these just inequalities and it's all lies. It's all lies but we've just
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have so many people who've been kept ignorant and haven't pursued education
for themselves outside of their little bubbles to see that to recognize that
different isn't less different isn't scary different is enriching and
beautiful and more makes life more interesting makes us more interesting
when we learn about other people yeah and it doesn't make sense to me when
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people don't understand that and these kids according to what I've heard and
read they understand that it's not even something they have to grasp or come to
terms with it just is. I love that. Thanks for sharing all that I know you got
emotional but it's big stuff. Taking now. I want more of a community like I'm so
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glad we started this and you and I can talk about these things and process them
but I really hope that people listening who are like-minded and we'll kind of
reach out so that I just feel like we need more people to talk about this. We do.
We do. We do. Well it's no no major changes in culture have happened
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overnight and we are in dire need of a resistance for sure and a resistance of
just great power and I think the greatest power is in celebrating diversity
and appreciating each other's gifts and differences and cultures and yeah we just
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need we need people who are not psychotic to join forces and do something
and so podcast listeners and anybody who's on social media with us like let
us let us know what you think and who knows little drops drops in the pond
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can create ripples for sure I have more to my story well I give it to me lay it
on me are you sure yeah okay I'll just keep taking deep breaths yeah take a
deep breath because it's about to get weirder the computer is now open
jump from the journal to the computer all right so you know I mentioned on our
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last recording I admitted to everybody that I do have tarot cards and I don't
like said I said this before I don't know that I don't know that I believe in
tear cards but I do believe that they inspire good reflection whatever card you
pick is gonna give you some good reflection same same same okay so it's
four in the morning I'm texting you after this crazy experience and then I'm I
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texted someone else I'll tell you about in a minute and then I went to my
tarot cards I don't know what you do I didn't know how to process this so I asked my tarot cards you
know and I have like a grounding process and a protection process I do first and
then I asked my tarot cards I told them the scenario said okay this just happened
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to me and I don't know if I believe it I think it could be my imagination or I
could have had gone you know to the hill but I need some kind of something to
reflect on to let to like lead me in my next step you were immediately seeking
process yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna believe the cards that I pulled
I'm gonna show you the card in there I'm gonna have you read the description
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from my book okay so the first card that I pull and I basically just do a one
card draw I just look at a second card just for like extra confirmation but I
the first car the main card I pulled was the three of cups this is the
description of the three of cups okay she's crying
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oh I know you don't have to I think I think that people can be emotional with
this yeah get it together small okay all right says three of cups a social
gathering
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friendship a community emotionally supportive social circle the card shows
three people toasting representing shared happiness unity connection with
others and a sense of belonging and I sure as represents the hell wow and
there were three people there that you met there were three people there and
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is one of them blonde yes what if you can't hear us
I don't know what to do with this experience at all is you don't know what
well it's beautiful I think that's the good news is that it's beautiful like
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there's nothing about this that scares me yeah there's nothing about this that's
the reeks of negativity or darkness or evil or nothing like I have zero
inkling that there was anything wrong or bad about this experience okay okay then
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then I pulled another card right so I always pull one card these are cool
cards there's nothing that I don't think there's a card in the deck that could
represent the hill more than this car and the experience that I've never looked
at the deck but I've also never pulled this card like I don't it's not like it's
a card that's sticky that yeah I really having a wild experience that's so
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outside of my reality that I'm like numb I got crying with you but I don't I
really actually feel really numb I don't know how I'm supposed to feel or how
there's more but here's the other card I drew okay so I always look at the card
that's kind of left in the deck on the bottom if you're okay with it I'm gonna
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have you read this of course okay I'm getting it together okay thanks we'll
see this card I drew for extra confirmation okay was the page of swords
and I'm gonna have Lindsay read what the page of swords says all right page of
swords represents curiosity and pursuit of truth represents inquisitive energy
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someone who is keen to learn and explore new ideas represents someone who is just
starting out on a journey of intellectual growth maybe impulsive or
eager without enough wisdom to pick things through then she has a question
type here does this sound like it represents me yes up to the part where
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it says maybe impulsive or eager because that's freaking me
I think it was really impulsive of me to just be like can I go to the hill and
then I you know in my dream and I just pop over to the hill like like that's
one of your lucid dreaming self-ordering that because you are so respectful of
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like other people's space but we learn in the podcast like in the one with Dan
talking about having what are those ones called again the is it telepathy talks
or what's it called the talk tapes talk tapes thank you in the talk tapes
episode one they talk about how yet people with positive intent can can go to
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the hill people who are allies yeah advocates have been welcomed and then
Kai the interviewer asks some of the kiddos like young people do people with
bad intentions ever come to the hill and they say yes we force them out yeah our
energy is powerful enough to keep them out yeah close that door to them or the
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gatekeeper like Jekyll loom gatekeeper that I encountered whatever he was
yeah whatever maybe he maybe that that blue space with the high-pitched
ringing was the I think that was you tuning like remember Dan talking about
the frequency yeah and how it was like a radio signal yeah he's like it wasn't in
his experience he couldn't his was all audio yeah you didn't see I actually saw
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things but only when I you thought about yeah yeah yeah it's like you asked your
brain to give you like ground you in the experience and his was just he talked
about tuning into a frequency that was the words he used so I think that's
what was happening is you were tuning into this essentially a radio frequency
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this energy yeah I mean I feel like I was I wasn't trying to manage it was like
for my own personal knowledge yes my curiosity like the like the page of
sorts and very in my inquisitiveness and my need to know because we want to help
like ultimately that's yeah that's what I want to do if I can make any sort of
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impact on the education my focus is on the educational daily life for my
students who are not my students alone I just share them with a bunch of other
teachers and staff I only get 45 minutes a week with them at this point but I
just feel compelled to like make it better for them give them a voice and if I
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can if that's my place if that's my role if that's what the universe wants if
that's what the people on the hill want like but there was a kiddo I was just
in there yesterday and there's this kiddo who is first grade and he was at
the window the entire time and I just kept thinking about the other student
that you've referenced with me before and it was the same kind of thing like
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this student is normally typically just sort of roaming around the room very
anxious angsty upset does has no words communicated with me or any of the other
staff like will cry will hit stuff will pull out his own hair but he yesterday
was just over at the window with his hands on the windows face pressed up
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against the window and he was smiling and he was uttering sounds and I was like I
wonder I wonder if he's at the hill right now because he was so happy yeah just
at peace yeah and when it was time to go because I see them at the very end of
the day and I help them get transitioned out of the school at the end of the day
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a pair educator went over to get this student and say come on let's get her
shoes on let's get our they never have their shoes on never they like take a
yeah it's a comfort thing for sure so get your shoes on let's get your coat and
I was waiting for him to like freak out yeah you know be to be ripped away he
didn't he just kind of like held on to the window like with his hand as long as
he could as she had his other hand and led him back to the cubbies to get his
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stuff but he didn't scream or cry or tantrum or throw himself on the ground
or anything it but I wondered I was like hmm I wish I could know I wish I could I
have not I've experimented with trying to like send thoughts yeah so and so I
think you might be able to hear my thoughts if that's true can you do
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the trying though I'm gonna keep trying these little guys are so little they're
very young they may not even know what's what they're capable of yet but I want
them to know if possible that that I know and that I support them and I want
to help them I wonder how many teachers are doing that right now all around the
world after listening to the telepathy tapes and parents being parents I didn't
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know trying trying to send signals and see and having their own little tests
I'm sure all these stories are gonna start coming out of people more and
more experiences and then Kai Dickens has another season and a documentary
coming out so well and we heard from that mom who whose child is referenced
in the the talks episode one with Dan like she was in the room when Dan got
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confirmation that he went to the hill he got his confirmation she reached out
to us yeah emailed us the whole story from her perspective that day and they
were gobsmacked yeah she confirmed this the experiment for me because while I
love the telepathy tapes very very very much I mentioned this in our last
podcast I'm very I need I need the studies to be like double-blind I need
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them to be like for me to have confirmation I need to know that the
person who's helping facilitate the communication does not know anything
about what's going on so and I got that from this mom thankfully she was so
generous and kind to write back to us and tell us what happened because I
needed to know I'm like did so so Dan is the volunteer Marie is the teacher and
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she's helping facilitate communication with the student who Dan claims to have
met on the hill and he said you know my mom's name is Amy while he was on the
hill he said you're gonna say my mom's name is Amy and that's what the child
said through the facilitator through the spelling board to Dan so I wanted to
know and this wasn't covered in the podcast was did Marie know that Dan's
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mom's name was Amy I don't know if I'm explaining this right but yeah yeah yeah
like did Dan go to Marie and say hey I met him on the hill I told him my mom's
name was Amy let's see if he can say that right right because that's a whole
different because that even subconsciously right she could influence the
session yeah without I'm sure no one yeah without meaning to without like but
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she would have known the name was Amy so she could have helped the child
facilitate mm-hmm typing of Amy but this mom was so great because she she was
like no she'd know nobody knew Dan's mom's name nobody knew that that's what
he told him to say on the hill now that's a whole different level yeah of an
experiment yeah well and yeah you know what I was thinking I've been thinking
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for the last two days nonstop if I had this opportunity I don't know how you've
gone about your daily life yeah I'm having a hard time at work if I have
the opportunity to go back I don't think I would because it's not my I don't know
that I have more to learn it's not really my space okay but I would like to go
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back and ask Jeff Goldblum some questions a lot of questions for that
flow yeah a lot of questions like I want to know who are you and where else can I
go yeah yeah I would love to spend some time with him yeah if there's the hill
for these people with these unique gifts that are similar right there they all
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have this telepathy ability it are there other spaces yeah where other types of
folks go like is there a place where blind people can go and see is there a
place where deaf people can go and hear things that they don't get to hear is
there like is there a space from knowledge like that's what they take me is
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there a space like is there a place I can go like and learn things and just like
download it from the there has to be because our savants do that yeah like
they know things that they've not been taught yeah that's that doesn't make
sense scientifically yeah and if Jeff Goldblum even is the the key the gate
to all of that or if he's only there at the hill I don't know I have so many
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questions I know I know and I know it's ridiculous to call Jeff Goldblum but I
have to have some yeah humor yeah yeah it's so it's so it's so weird with the
tarot cards especially too like that's so many coincidences mm-hmm mm-hmm
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PS she's on the hill oh my gosh the Page of Swords is standing on a hill in the
picture of the and they're in the grass this this group of people like I was and
there's hills in the background okay okay you're not crazy you're not crazy
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there's definitely the universe is trying to communicate something and like I
said it's nothing there's nothing being negative of this whereas I've had so many
experiences supernatural paranormal otherwise that I've gone that that vibe
is off that feels wrong that feels yucky that feels like we shouldn't be
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talking about this yeah I didn't have that I have none of that trepidation
about this experience that you've described at all none I think it can
only be positive the the only thing like I worry about is like if just being
sympathetic if I were in your shoes or empathetic I guess I don't know how it
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would do by daily life I think I'm wondering if that's partly why I had a
tough time today is just I've been ever since you texted me I've been yeah and
after I think it was the same night I think I fell back to sleep and I had a
dream dream about the hill like I know it was just because it was all fuzzy and
it was weird and it was kind of in and out and it wasn't anything yeah but I
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my brain my subconscious was processing what you had just texted me and so then
ever since then I've just been wandering around the world a little different
like dying to know what you were gonna say specifically but already knowing you
had yeah you had a profound experience and that has changed your I'm walking
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around in the world and today I took a half day and I took a nap you're maybe
you're feeling my energy I had I don't take naps like I maybe three times a
year I take a nap and I came home today with like a dull headache and I didn't
feel yucky I just felt exhausted I feel exhausted maybe we're connected that
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way again not surprising for soul sisters yeah I okay so I reached so what
do you do when this happens to you so I reached out to I sent my story to Dr.
Powell who's that is that kind she's no it's not guys the doctor who works who
she references in the episode one oh the scientist the scientist and I'm not
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expecting to hear back and I'm not trying to like I have no connection with
her so I'm not trying to use her like in our podcast I don't want yeah I just
didn't know who to write to and I so I sent her my story and I sent her the
name of the boy that I met on the hill because if she had just on the off
chance that she happens to know a blonde boy 18 to 20 ish with this name maybe
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she could share my story with that family but I don't want to make things
weird for anybody but I but it would help me have that confirmation you know
yeah and again I'm not expect she's a very busy person so I'm not expecting her
to write back but I don't know who else to talk to about this and maybe well I
think I work I mean well obviously we'll publish this podcast but I mean I think
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you should maybe consider publishing a link on some of the forums for the
flecky tapes I have really mixed feelings about that because I don't want it to look
like it's self I don't yeah I don't want this experience to be used to get more
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followers and more listeners right don't I don't think that's the appropriate way
so maybe just to share this experience but I do want people to like just give
me their thoughts on it yeah and they don't necessarily have to validate me but
like I just don't I don't know who to talk to maybe and that's what you say yeah
I've had this experience I don't know who to talk to and I think I may have gone
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to the hill I think I may have met somebody there and and anybody have any
ideas how I might pursue validation yeah not give any details or specifics no I'm
not gonna tell anyone my phone number and I'm not gonna tell anyone this this
person's name I'll tell you on the side and I told I'm Dr. Powell but I'm not
I'm not gonna tell because that's what I that's the confirmation that I need yes
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yep that's like the the thing that a psychic brings up that nobody could
Google or no yeah and then you get that like oh yep yep they're definitely no
something they shouldn't know yeah have you have you researched to see if that
name and that description is tight I did I did I went on Facebook and I tried
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typing this this young man's name with the word autism and there are a few
people that pop up because parents have blogs and things yeah like document
their child's journey yeah and I did get a hit but this person was really young
like they look like they were eight maybe and so it was a clue to the telepathy in
your search no well I mean it can't be more direct than your phone number like
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if they have the desire to give you that confirmation right they feed I trust
them like I feel like if if they think it's going to be helpful to them they'll
reach out mm-hmm if they don't think it's worth it they won't yeah and then we
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just have to be at peace with that like it's there balls in their court and they
could pass it back or they could just kick it off to the side and that's
totally their prerogative I would like the confirmation for you and I would love
to know like it's sort of a confirmation like okay yep keep pressing people to
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listen to the tapes keep pressing people to think outside the box on how we
educate and and consider our people with yeah autism our students and people in
our communities because I'm not doing it right man we're not doing it right
collectively and I've always felt like that and I now I know like I know more
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about why mm-hmm and I just would love to be of service if I can if I get that
confirmation this person's his boys family to your head just gonna fall off
me I will never I will not be the same Amanda ever I will move to the vortex in
Sedona and I'll go like a pilgrimage every couple every six months we'll go
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but you can't leave that changes it would change everything for me you know
you talk to people sometimes they're like I'm psychic I'm a medium I and they
say it was such confidence I would I probably would maybe I've never been in
that kind of person but if I had that confirmation I'd probably walk around be
like I'm psychic I'm I don't know you wouldn't you just you would because
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you're in it well first of all I don't think it's confirmation I think it I
think you tapped into a collective consciousness mm-hmm that all of us have
the potential to tap into if you are pure of motive and in the right headspace
and heart space to go there you had you have to be right like you've been since
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we heard about the telepathy tapes you've been chewing on that man I feel so
drawn to it yeah yeah yeah and I think I'm just too distracted of a person I
have caused it like there's just like a pinball game in my head at all times so
you know I ping off at the telepathy tapes and then I'm ping it off of a big
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foot thing and then I'm pinging off of the SW Ranch and I'm pink like just all
over the aliens and then our effing president and all this stuff and my
brain is just very busy all the time you you seem to have like really locked in
on this and I think that's who you are and the fact that you've walked in on it
with such yeah interest I can hyper fix it and I can get kind of tenacious yeah
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now that I think it's a combination of your tenacity and just who you are your
core that's what opened the door for you don't be afraid don't be afraid of it I
have no fear or worry about it I'm definitely gonna play meditation music
at 3 a.m. next time I wake up with my husband snoring I was very conscientious
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isn't the word I want that's the limit shampoos to mine that was very astute of
you to do that in that moment like I wake up at 3 a.m. or around there all the
time usually because my yellow Labrador just wants to party yeah some reason
that's his witching hour as well but it never occurs to me like and it should but
I'm just so ready to go back to bed and I don't even think about I need to
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meditate more yeah give myself that quiet space I think it's really cool
thank you for letting me tell you and that's not just not just you Lindsay but
like every yeah thank you for letting me share yeah we're gonna title it Amanda
Amanda goes to the hill with Jeff Goldblum's permission and I don't want
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to make a joke of it doesn't believe it I think I'm God did Amanda Amanda wonders
if she went to the hill yeah it's perfect that's perfect yep well there's no
we're gonna totally switch gears close out this e-reaction credit and man did
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you earn some extra credit so it's plus plus yeah thank you for listening
everybody and please this is if there was ever a time for you to reach out to
us now is it we part of our confirmation is like you telling us we're not crazy
or that keep going or tell us more or whatever or tell us some stories so yeah
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perfect yeah yeah all right thank you and we'll talk to you guys later bye
The Paranormal Classroom.
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Hey there, welcome to something we're calling Eerie Extra Credit.
It's a spooky little bonus from the Paranormal Classroom.
Sometimes Amanda and I have conversations that take unexpected twists, but they're
too good not to share and don't quite fit into a full episode.
So that's where this Eerie Extra Credit comes in.
It should be a short, sweet dose of our odd anecdotes and all the mysterious musings we
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just couldn't leave behind.
Let's dive into the strange corners we missed and explore even more of the unknown.
You've told me process it.
Yeah.
I haven't told anybody.
Well, that's not true.
I'll tell one person I'll tell you at the end of this recording.
You're going to tell me at the end?
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Yeah.
I don't know where you want to start this, but I think-
I'll call Cleo.
Remember Cleo the Espoirger on one night?
Do you remember those little commercials I was like that would be?
Yes, I do.
Yeah.
Okay, well, good evening.
This is an Eerie Extra Credit.
Extra Credit.
We are recording before we record our full length episode because Amanda has some things
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to share and it might go on for a bit and we want to give space for people to listen
to this and then separately listen to a podcast with a different topic or just listen to one
or the other.
Right.
So basically I had an experience two days ago that I'm going to share with everybody
and I'm really nervous about sharing it.
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It's really bizarre and I'm nervous about sharing it because once you put that out there, it's
open to criticism and I don't know.
I don't know what people are going to say when they hear my story.
Because a lot of people like us are really interested in the telepathy tapes.
It's really kind of speaking to them and this story is kind of related and I think people
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will have opinions about what I did.
Did I do the right thing?
And just for the record, I have no idea except that you texted me at 3.38.
It was like 4 a.m.
4 a.m.
Yeah.
And I didn't get it till about 4.35 and it was just that you had this experience and
you were dying to tell me but you weren't going to tell me until I recorded the podcast.
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So that was three days ago?
So that's all I know is just that it has something to do with the telepathy tapes and it's been
heavy on your mind.
So I'm excited.
I'm nervous too.
I'm nervous too.
I'm nervous too.
Here we go.
The telepathy tapes.
So if you are just listening to us for the first time, we've been listening to the telepathy
tapes podcast.
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We love it.
We're a little skeptical of it but we're also like believers of it.
We're very like kind of in between.
We have questions but we want it to be, we just want to know more.
And I in particular, I don't know about you, Lens, but I've been really drawn to the hill,
all the stories of the hill.
Do you want to tell everybody what the hill is?
Sure.
So according to the telepathy, I still can't say it, the telepathy tapes podcast and the
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people interviewed.
The parents and these young people with non-speaking autism or limited verbal autism, they have
telepathic abilities whereby they can communicate with one another and with some of their adults
in their lives, they can hear each other's thoughts.
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They can hear the thoughts of caregivers, of teachers, things like that.
And the hill is a mental place where they can gather telepathically and communicate with
one another telepathically.
So it's not a real place.
It's a metaphysical place.
It's a place in another dimension of some kind where these people can congregate almost
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like virtually.
It's like a cosmic zoom meeting where they can get together and they can talk.
Even though in their day to day lives, they're not verbal with people.
So this is a place where they can communicate and they say they can communicate more effectively,
more efficiently, more deeply than they would with words or with their spelling boards.
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Yeah, that was well said.
And some people who are not a member of the non-verbal autistic community have purported
to go there.
So the most recent episode of the telepathy tapes is their talk tracks about a man named
Dan who claims that he's been to the hill three times.
He's like a parent educator or something.
Yeah, he's like volunteering in the classroom.
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And he's had incredible experiences.
And we actually, we got a message from one of the parents involved in that.
And I guess we can save that for another episode.
I'm dying to just know what your personal experience was.
So I might have gone to the hill two nights ago.
It was a lucid dream for sure.
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I'm not saying that I did because I think that it's weird to be like, I did this really
crazy paranormal thing.
So I don't, I don't know what happened, but I definitely was lucid dreaming.
So I was either lucid dreaming and it was all my imagination or I might have gone there.
How do you know you were lucid dreaming?
I know I was lucid dreaming because I was in control of my choices within the dream.
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And I've only had that happen three times before.
I'm guessing like three times before.
It's very, very rare for me.
Yeah.
I don't know if I've ever had it happen, if I'm honest.
Yeah.
And the other thing that's incredible about it is I remember, I remember everything
when I woke up.
I don't usually remember my dreams.
I'll remember them for a second or I'll be like, that was great.
Right.
Because you don't write them down or tell somebody it's gone.
No, because they're gone within like a few seconds.
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I remember this dream two days ago, this lucid dream experience, the way that I remember
having lunch yesterday, like I remember it.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Are you ready?
Did you write your own picture?
I wrote it down.
I wrote everything.
Okay.
She's getting out her little floral journal.
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So I woke up around 3 a.m. because my husband was snoring and I went into another room to
go to sleep.
To sleep.
To get some peace.
And I turned on meditation music, which I don't usually do, but I heard it at 3 a.m.
That's a good time to meditate.
So the witching hour.
The witching hour.
So every now and then I'll do that.
I turned on the meditation music, laid down and at some point.
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What was it?
Do you like specifically just something like on iTunes or like the meditation music?
Yeah, it was like, hey Alexa, hey Alexa play meditation music.
Okay.
Okay.
So this is what I would do.
Yeah.
Same.
I, at some point I was asleep but awake at the same time.
I don't know how to explain it.
Like I was in the room in the same position and I went, oh my gosh, I think I'm sleeping,
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but I think, I think I'm aware of what's going on right now.
I had that thought.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That right there is one.
And I was in the room.
Like I could see the whole room and everything.
And then I said to myself, okay, well if I'm lucid dreaming, I'm going to fly out this
window.
And the second I thought it, I was doing it.
I flew out the window in my, in my like backyard.
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What?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, so now I'm outside the house realizing that I'm lucid dreaming and I,
Time out, time out.
I just want our listeners to know neither, not that it's any of your business people,
but neither Amanda nor I have ever had any like drug related experiences.
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Like in the state of Washington where we live, marijuana is legal and I've never even done
weed.
No.
Not in any form.
It's on my bucket list, but I still have never done it.
So when Amanda says something like this, you can rest assured like she doesn't drink to
intoxication.
No, she doesn't do any dabbling, any recreational drugs.
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So okay.
Yeah.
Wild.
Oh, it's going to get wilder.
And if you don't believe me, it's okay.
Like if anybody listened to this does not believe me, it is okay.
Because I don't know that I believe it.
I definitely had, you had something.
An experience, but I don't, it could have just all been my imagination.
But I was, I was awake enough, it lucid enough to know that I was dreaming and that I was
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in control.
And you were making decisions.
And as I made decisions, they happen instantly.
So my next decision, I'm outside my house like floating and I'm like, oh, this is awesome.
I'm lucid dreaming.
I'm like, I'm like excited.
Wow.
And I went, okay, well, if I could go anywhere, you know, normally I would say Disneyland,
but I was like, if I can go anywhere, I would go to the hill and the instant I thought it,
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I have full body choice.
Yeah.
I have goosebumps too.
I was in a different space and this is what the space was like.
It was all blue, bright blue, like a pretty sunny day.
Okay.
And I was floating in the space.
There was no material and it was just a space bright, bright blue.
And it was, there was a high pitched ringing sound that was very loud.
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Frequency.
It was very prominent.
It was, it almost irritated me the sound.
It wasn't like a negative sound, but it was loud.
Okay.
And in front of me, floating about as far away as someone would be across the street
was a man who was floating in a comfortable position, kind of like on his side.
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And he, yeah, and he looked human.
I laugh about this because every time I think about him, I picture, you remember that meme
of Jeff Goldblum where he's laying on his side?
Yeah.
He's all comfortable and he's all like, hey girl.
So I've been referring to this guy as my Jeff Goldblum.
We all lean in Jeff Goldblum.
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Oh, that's awesome.
I don't know who he was.
And in the talk tapes of the telepathy podcast, Dan says there was a teacher who was there
that he had to like.
Calls him a divine being.
He said he was a divine being, a teacher said he had to kind of go through him to get access
to the hill.
How interesting.
I have no idea if that's, this is the same kind of thing.
Into the air, whatever.
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He's very human and I asked him and I didn't ask him by with words, like I asked him with
thoughts.
I said, can I go to the hill?
And he nodded and instantly another like bang, I was in another space.
What?
Yeah.
So you were in like the waiting room and then I guess you got access to something else.
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Yeah, I guess.
Okay.
So what then what?
So I'm in a space where there's a lot of people and I'm thinking in my head.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this might, this might be the hill or a hill or wherever.
I'm very aware, like the entire dream.
So but something surprised me because there were no children in this space.
There were like young adults or high school students or college age.
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Like it was people that age and I, I thought the hill would be people either.
You could see people.
Yeah.
It was full of people, but I'll explain like how I saw it.
Okay.
But it was, it was definitely crowded.
There were people there and they were young and I didn't, I thought the hill was like
kids, little, little kids like from the podcast, but I learned, well they were teenagers.
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A lot of them were teenagers, but I was digging later and someone on the internet said that
I'm going to have my kids cover the birds.
Yeah.
Someone on the internet heard that there are different hills for different age groups.
I don't know if that, I guess that makes sense because it would for appropriateness
and age and stage of development, what they're talking about, what matters to them.
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Yeah.
That makes sense.
But I didn't know that until after I had this experience.
So I remember in the experience I'm thinking, this is not what I expected because I thought
there'd be kids, like little kids like we're used to at school.
And this group of teens, like they welcomed me.
They were like the, they were like, welcome, friendly, like friendly, welcome.
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Obviously I wasn't invited.
They knew you were in time with fear.
I wasn't invited though, but, but they were friendly enough to be cordial.
Yeah.
They were very cordial.
It's such a weird story to tell, Lindsay.
So this is what the space was like.
Things didn't appear visually to me until I thought about them.
So I had a moment where I was like, oh my gosh, if I'm in the hill, I need to remember
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what this looks like.
And as soon as I had that thought, that's when I saw like green, green grass, green meadows,
like a park.
I saw green hedges, like, like a, like a garden.
But I, and so I didn't see those things until I thought about them.
Okay.
It was kind of like everything I thought happened right then, just like when I was like, oh,
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I'm going to fly and then boom, I'm flying.
And when I wasn't thinking about them, they weren't there.
And then I was like, okay, I have to remember these people.
And when I thought about them, when I had that thought, I could see them.
I could see the people that I was with.
There was a girl, there was a larger boy, and there was a blonde boy that I was with.
You're like, do we need to like, I don't know.
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I don't know how to process this experience that I had.
I do not think that's kind of why I want to talk about it and put it out there.
Yes.
Yes.
Um, the blonde boy was especially friendly and, and like, I felt like I had a little
more of a connection with him.
I just, I just remember I didn't want him more.
About how old?
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Like just two years?
They were, it was hard to tell, but they were like, I would say like 18 to 20.
Oh, like they're adults.
Young adults.
Like they're really adults or high school.
It's kind of hard to know for sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
They were friendly and they hung out with me and they were, and, and I was friendly
to them, but I didn't know what to say.
I was, I was like, oh my God, like I wasn't expecting to be here.
Right.
I only had this thought like, you know, a few minutes ago and suddenly I'm here.
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So I'm thinking, oh my gosh, well, I have to have some way to prove that this is where
I meant to myself.
I have to have some way to prove this experience.
So what I did was I, I taught them, I taught this group I was with my, a song of my phone
number.
That's the song that I taught to my kids when they were like in kindergarten and they had
to learn their home phone number.
Yeah.
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So I was singing the song with them of my phone number and we, and we sang the song about
three times and they go, I got it.
They're like, yeah, lockdown.
Yeah.
And I said, I said, well, I know as a teacher it takes a lot more repetitions to like memorize
something.
Maybe not for these kids.
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I said, are you sure you don't want to sing it again?
And they're like, they're like a shirt me.
I got it.
I got it.
Yeah.
So like we're on, I don't know if you caught this lady, but we're all communicating telepathically.
So, so we got our abilities and gifts are pretty legit.
Yeah.
Three times is enough.
Yeah.
Have you gotten any texts or phone calls?
Not yet, but that's what I asked them.
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I said, I said, you know, if it comes up, try and get my phone number out, try and get
your caregiver to, or someone to text me so that I can know that this experience was real.
And that's what I'm like, are you sure you don't want to do the phone number song again?
And they're like, I got it.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then it was about that point and it felt like maybe half an hour, maybe 40 minutes
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had passed.
And I felt like I was done.
Like I felt like it was time to, they were so nice, but it was time for me to go and
let them have their, their evening.
And as soon as I had that thought that it was time to say goodbye, I was back in my room
and I had, and I found a journal and a piece of, and a pen and I wrote down every single
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thing that happened like moment by moment.
It's my list here.
I wrote it all down.
And after I finished writing it down, then I woke up for real.
I woke up for real then.
And I was like, like reeling from this experience and thinking, oh my gosh, nope.
I just had a crazy experience.
You were writing in a lucid dream, like really writing.
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I can see purple writing on paper.
Yep.
Every little thing.
Well, it was in my dream.
Then I woke up and, and I, you know, you're groggy a little bit when you wake up and I
was like kind of trying to process what just happened to me.
And then I was like, oh crap, I haven't really written it down.
I have to really write it down.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Got you.
I used to have dreams like that, but it was when I was a little kid and I would have
a dream that I was going to the bathroom.
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Yeah.
And I would wet the bed.
Oh, that's so sad.
Yours is right there.
Why are you really cool if I like wrote in my dream and woke up and there was a piece
of paper there?
That would be miraculous.
Okay.
No, I had to write.
Okay, got it.
Then now I'm actually awake.
I'm truly awake.
And I wrote everything down and I looked at the clock and it had been 40 minutes, about
40 minutes, the exact amount of time that I felt like it was when I was lucid dreaming,
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which has never happened to me before.
I've never had a sense of time while you're dreaming.
While I'm dreaming.
No, because time is so just bent and twisted and all over the place in a dream.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And I remember the blonde boy's name who was really friendly and I'm going to tell
it to you, but not on the podcast.
Okay.
So I don't want anybody taking advantage of it.
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Okay.
So if I manage to hear from, you know, so if I get a text or I connect with someone,
a boy, a blonde boy who has this name, then I'll know that it's real.
I'm going to stand up for a second.
I got a couple of breaths.
Okay.
I mean, 100% I believe you.
I have no reason not to.
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You've never told me anything exaggerated or embellished or, you know, and never, I've
never caught in any kind of fiver or liar and not even anything close.
So I totally believe you.
I would love just confirmation just because not because I don't believe you, but because
I want you to have that confirmation.
I want the confirmation.
You're always a lot more skeptical.
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I think that I am.
I'm always, I just tend to believe people's experiences like, yep, that sounds legit.
And so for you, I really want for you to get something.
I don't know what I would do with myself if I actually had that confirmation.
Well, that's what I think you need to process.
Yeah.
I think you need to get to a place where you're ready for this to really happened.
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And I don't know exactly how to help you do that, but I will be there.
I will be there when that happens.
I think, I think it is, it's akin to like, well, I mean, it's a spiritual experience
for sure.
And I think if, if it is confirmed, then now the for sure the world as we know it is not
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the end of it, which I already believe that.
Yeah.
This would be confirmation for me.
This would be confirmation for me.
And it's really confirmation is individual, right?
Like when people have spiritual experiences, it's very, like people could be listening
to the story right now on the podcast and they're not going to have the same effect
that I'm having right now because I'm going through it.
Right.
Right.
And I think it's like, I'm just very vicariously experiencing it alongside you.
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And I think, but for you to, if you have it, this, if you get confirmation like this world
is not it, there's more week, the human brain is capable of this thing.
And I did it.
I already want that to be the case.
And because I trust you so much, I'd be like, it would be enough for me to go.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
that's what it is. I think it's insanely cool. It's insanely cool even
whether it's my imagination or not it's insanely cool. Either way, at minimum
you're processing on a deep level this thing that has rocked our
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worlds as far as being a paradigm shifter is what I keep saying. It has
radically changed the way I see people in general but especially my autistic
students and then thinking well if they're capable of it then others are
too possibly. I mean obviously if Dan and potentially you and others have gone
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then we all potentially have this ability to connect with one another in
this collective consciousness sort of thing and I think that's really really
cool and I crave something like that deeply especially right now when I just
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feel like there's... I haven't cried on the podcast before. I just feel like
there's so little hope right now. I've joked in the past like okay aliens come
take over take us take me now Canada take me adopt me. Aliens Canada whoever and
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now I just I keep thinking of like these kids like they get it like they
understand that love is love is love and everybody is equal and there's the
material world is not it. I would love to know what what these kids are thinking
about all this like what would they do if they had the power. What would that
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look like and I think that's that's what I crave really. Me too. I'm more loving
beautiful. Yeah. World yeah for us and our kids. We're all connected like because we
are we really are we've been told we've been all of us have been brainwashed to
believe that we're we're fractions of the human race and that some are
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better than others and those caste systems and even in this country there
caste systems and you know racial inequality and gender inequality and
all of these just inequalities and it's all lies. It's all lies but we've just
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have so many people who've been kept ignorant and haven't pursued education
for themselves outside of their little bubbles to see that to recognize that
different isn't less different isn't scary different is enriching and
beautiful and more makes life more interesting makes us more interesting
when we learn about other people yeah and it doesn't make sense to me when
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people don't understand that and these kids according to what I've heard and
read they understand that it's not even something they have to grasp or come to
terms with it just is. I love that. Thanks for sharing all that I know you got
emotional but it's big stuff. Taking now. I want more of a community like I'm so
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glad we started this and you and I can talk about these things and process them
but I really hope that people listening who are like-minded and we'll kind of
reach out so that I just feel like we need more people to talk about this. We do.
We do. We do. Well it's no no major changes in culture have happened
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overnight and we are in dire need of a resistance for sure and a resistance of
just great power and I think the greatest power is in celebrating diversity
and appreciating each other's gifts and differences and cultures and yeah we just
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need we need people who are not psychotic to join forces and do something
and so podcast listeners and anybody who's on social media with us like let
us let us know what you think and who knows little drops drops in the pond
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can create ripples for sure I have more to my story well I give it to me lay it
on me are you sure yeah okay I'll just keep taking deep breaths yeah take a
deep breath because it's about to get weirder the computer is now open
jump from the journal to the computer all right so you know I mentioned on our
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last recording I admitted to everybody that I do have tarot cards and I don't
like said I said this before I don't know that I don't know that I believe in
tear cards but I do believe that they inspire good reflection whatever card you
pick is gonna give you some good reflection same same same okay so it's
four in the morning I'm texting you after this crazy experience and then I'm I
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texted someone else I'll tell you about in a minute and then I went to my
tarot cards I don't know what you do I didn't know how to process this so I asked my tarot cards you
know and I have like a grounding process and a protection process I do first and
then I asked my tarot cards I told them the scenario said okay this just happened
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to me and I don't know if I believe it I think it could be my imagination or I
could have had gone you know to the hill but I need some kind of something to
reflect on to let to like lead me in my next step you were immediately seeking
process yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna believe the cards that I pulled
I'm gonna show you the card in there I'm gonna have you read the description
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from my book okay so the first card that I pull and I basically just do a one
card draw I just look at a second card just for like extra confirmation but I
the first car the main card I pulled was the three of cups this is the
description of the three of cups okay she's crying
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oh I know you don't have to I think I think that people can be emotional with
this yeah get it together small okay all right says three of cups a social
gathering
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friendship a community emotionally supportive social circle the card shows
three people toasting representing shared happiness unity connection with
others and a sense of belonging and I sure as represents the hell wow and
there were three people there that you met there were three people there and
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is one of them blonde yes what if you can't hear us
I don't know what to do with this experience at all is you don't know what
well it's beautiful I think that's the good news is that it's beautiful like
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there's nothing about this that scares me yeah there's nothing about this that's
the reeks of negativity or darkness or evil or nothing like I have zero
inkling that there was anything wrong or bad about this experience okay okay then
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then I pulled another card right so I always pull one card these are cool
cards there's nothing that I don't think there's a card in the deck that could
represent the hill more than this car and the experience that I've never looked
at the deck but I've also never pulled this card like I don't it's not like it's
a card that's sticky that yeah I really having a wild experience that's so
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outside of my reality that I'm like numb I got crying with you but I don't I
really actually feel really numb I don't know how I'm supposed to feel or how
there's more but here's the other card I drew okay so I always look at the card
that's kind of left in the deck on the bottom if you're okay with it I'm gonna
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have you read this of course okay I'm getting it together okay thanks we'll
see this card I drew for extra confirmation okay was the page of swords
and I'm gonna have Lindsay read what the page of swords says all right page of
swords represents curiosity and pursuit of truth represents inquisitive energy
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someone who is keen to learn and explore new ideas represents someone who is just
starting out on a journey of intellectual growth maybe impulsive or
eager without enough wisdom to pick things through then she has a question
type here does this sound like it represents me yes up to the part where
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it says maybe impulsive or eager because that's freaking me
I think it was really impulsive of me to just be like can I go to the hill and
then I you know in my dream and I just pop over to the hill like like that's
one of your lucid dreaming self-ordering that because you are so respectful of
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like other people's space but we learn in the podcast like in the one with Dan
talking about having what are those ones called again the is it telepathy talks
or what's it called the talk tapes talk tapes thank you in the talk tapes
episode one they talk about how yet people with positive intent can can go to
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the hill people who are allies yeah advocates have been welcomed and then
Kai the interviewer asks some of the kiddos like young people do people with
bad intentions ever come to the hill and they say yes we force them out yeah our
energy is powerful enough to keep them out yeah close that door to them or the
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gatekeeper like Jekyll loom gatekeeper that I encountered whatever he was
yeah whatever maybe he maybe that that blue space with the high-pitched
ringing was the I think that was you tuning like remember Dan talking about
the frequency yeah and how it was like a radio signal yeah he's like it wasn't in
his experience he couldn't his was all audio yeah you didn't see I actually saw
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things but only when I you thought about yeah yeah yeah it's like you asked your
brain to give you like ground you in the experience and his was just he talked
about tuning into a frequency that was the words he used so I think that's
what was happening is you were tuning into this essentially a radio frequency
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this energy yeah I mean I feel like I was I wasn't trying to manage it was like
for my own personal knowledge yes my curiosity like the like the page of
sorts and very in my inquisitiveness and my need to know because we want to help
like ultimately that's yeah that's what I want to do if I can make any sort of
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impact on the education my focus is on the educational daily life for my
students who are not my students alone I just share them with a bunch of other
teachers and staff I only get 45 minutes a week with them at this point but I
just feel compelled to like make it better for them give them a voice and if I
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can if that's my place if that's my role if that's what the universe wants if
that's what the people on the hill want like but there was a kiddo I was just
in there yesterday and there's this kiddo who is first grade and he was at
the window the entire time and I just kept thinking about the other student
that you've referenced with me before and it was the same kind of thing like
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this student is normally typically just sort of roaming around the room very
anxious angsty upset does has no words communicated with me or any of the other
staff like will cry will hit stuff will pull out his own hair but he yesterday
was just over at the window with his hands on the windows face pressed up
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against the window and he was smiling and he was uttering sounds and I was like I
wonder I wonder if he's at the hill right now because he was so happy yeah just
at peace yeah and when it was time to go because I see them at the very end of
the day and I help them get transitioned out of the school at the end of the day
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a pair educator went over to get this student and say come on let's get her
shoes on let's get our they never have their shoes on never they like take a
yeah it's a comfort thing for sure so get your shoes on let's get your coat and
I was waiting for him to like freak out yeah you know be to be ripped away he
didn't he just kind of like held on to the window like with his hand as long as
he could as she had his other hand and led him back to the cubbies to get his
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stuff but he didn't scream or cry or tantrum or throw himself on the ground
or anything it but I wondered I was like hmm I wish I could know I wish I could I
have not I've experimented with trying to like send thoughts yeah so and so I
think you might be able to hear my thoughts if that's true can you do
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the trying though I'm gonna keep trying these little guys are so little they're
very young they may not even know what's what they're capable of yet but I want
them to know if possible that that I know and that I support them and I want
to help them I wonder how many teachers are doing that right now all around the
world after listening to the telepathy tapes and parents being parents I didn't
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know trying trying to send signals and see and having their own little tests
I'm sure all these stories are gonna start coming out of people more and
more experiences and then Kai Dickens has another season and a documentary
coming out so well and we heard from that mom who whose child is referenced
in the the talks episode one with Dan like she was in the room when Dan got
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confirmation that he went to the hill he got his confirmation she reached out
to us yeah emailed us the whole story from her perspective that day and they
were gobsmacked yeah she confirmed this the experiment for me because while I
love the telepathy tapes very very very much I mentioned this in our last
podcast I'm very I need I need the studies to be like double-blind I need
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them to be like for me to have confirmation I need to know that the
person who's helping facilitate the communication does not know anything
about what's going on so and I got that from this mom thankfully she was so
generous and kind to write back to us and tell us what happened because I
needed to know I'm like did so so Dan is the volunteer Marie is the teacher and
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she's helping facilitate communication with the student who Dan claims to have
met on the hill and he said you know my mom's name is Amy while he was on the
hill he said you're gonna say my mom's name is Amy and that's what the child
said through the facilitator through the spelling board to Dan so I wanted to
know and this wasn't covered in the podcast was did Marie know that Dan's
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mom's name was Amy I don't know if I'm explaining this right but yeah yeah yeah
like did Dan go to Marie and say hey I met him on the hill I told him my mom's
name was Amy let's see if he can say that right right because that's a whole
different because that even subconsciously right she could influence the
session yeah without I'm sure no one yeah without meaning to without like but
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she would have known the name was Amy so she could have helped the child
facilitate mm-hmm typing of Amy but this mom was so great because she she was
like no she'd know nobody knew Dan's mom's name nobody knew that that's what
he told him to say on the hill now that's a whole different level yeah of an
experiment yeah well and yeah you know what I was thinking I've been thinking
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for the last two days nonstop if I had this opportunity I don't know how you've
gone about your daily life yeah I'm having a hard time at work if I have
the opportunity to go back I don't think I would because it's not my I don't know
that I have more to learn it's not really my space okay but I would like to go
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back and ask Jeff Goldblum some questions a lot of questions for that
flow yeah a lot of questions like I want to know who are you and where else can I
go yeah yeah I would love to spend some time with him yeah if there's the hill
for these people with these unique gifts that are similar right there they all
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have this telepathy ability it are there other spaces yeah where other types of
folks go like is there a place where blind people can go and see is there a
place where deaf people can go and hear things that they don't get to hear is
there like is there a space from knowledge like that's what they take me is
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there a space like is there a place I can go like and learn things and just like
download it from the there has to be because our savants do that yeah like
they know things that they've not been taught yeah that's that doesn't make
sense scientifically yeah and if Jeff Goldblum even is the the key the gate
to all of that or if he's only there at the hill I don't know I have so many
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questions I know I know and I know it's ridiculous to call Jeff Goldblum but I
have to have some yeah humor yeah yeah it's so it's so it's so weird with the
tarot cards especially too like that's so many coincidences mm-hmm mm-hmm
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PS she's on the hill oh my gosh the Page of Swords is standing on a hill in the
picture of the and they're in the grass this this group of people like I was and
there's hills in the background okay okay you're not crazy you're not crazy
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there's definitely the universe is trying to communicate something and like I
said it's nothing there's nothing being negative of this whereas I've had so many
experiences supernatural paranormal otherwise that I've gone that that vibe
is off that feels wrong that feels yucky that feels like we shouldn't be
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talking about this yeah I didn't have that I have none of that trepidation
about this experience that you've described at all none I think it can
only be positive the the only thing like I worry about is like if just being
sympathetic if I were in your shoes or empathetic I guess I don't know how it
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would do by daily life I think I'm wondering if that's partly why I had a
tough time today is just I've been ever since you texted me I've been yeah and
after I think it was the same night I think I fell back to sleep and I had a
dream dream about the hill like I know it was just because it was all fuzzy and
it was weird and it was kind of in and out and it wasn't anything yeah but I
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my brain my subconscious was processing what you had just texted me and so then
ever since then I've just been wandering around the world a little different
like dying to know what you were gonna say specifically but already knowing you
had yeah you had a profound experience and that has changed your I'm walking
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around in the world and today I took a half day and I took a nap you're maybe
you're feeling my energy I had I don't take naps like I maybe three times a
year I take a nap and I came home today with like a dull headache and I didn't
feel yucky I just felt exhausted I feel exhausted maybe we're connected that
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way again not surprising for soul sisters yeah I okay so I reached so what
do you do when this happens to you so I reached out to I sent my story to Dr.
Powell who's that is that kind she's no it's not guys the doctor who works who
she references in the episode one oh the scientist the scientist and I'm not
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expecting to hear back and I'm not trying to like I have no connection with
her so I'm not trying to use her like in our podcast I don't want yeah I just
didn't know who to write to and I so I sent her my story and I sent her the
name of the boy that I met on the hill because if she had just on the off
chance that she happens to know a blonde boy 18 to 20 ish with this name maybe
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she could share my story with that family but I don't want to make things
weird for anybody but I but it would help me have that confirmation you know
yeah and again I'm not expect she's a very busy person so I'm not expecting her
to write back but I don't know who else to talk to about this and maybe well I
think I work I mean well obviously we'll publish this podcast but I mean I think
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you should maybe consider publishing a link on some of the forums for the
flecky tapes I have really mixed feelings about that because I don't want it to look
like it's self I don't yeah I don't want this experience to be used to get more
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followers and more listeners right don't I don't think that's the appropriate way
so maybe just to share this experience but I do want people to like just give
me their thoughts on it yeah and they don't necessarily have to validate me but
like I just don't I don't know who to talk to maybe and that's what you say yeah
I've had this experience I don't know who to talk to and I think I may have gone
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to the hill I think I may have met somebody there and and anybody have any
ideas how I might pursue validation yeah not give any details or specifics no I'm
not gonna tell anyone my phone number and I'm not gonna tell anyone this this
person's name I'll tell you on the side and I told I'm Dr. Powell but I'm not
I'm not gonna tell because that's what I that's the confirmation that I need yes
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yep that's like the the thing that a psychic brings up that nobody could
Google or no yeah and then you get that like oh yep yep they're definitely no
something they shouldn't know yeah have you have you researched to see if that
name and that description is tight I did I did I went on Facebook and I tried
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typing this this young man's name with the word autism and there are a few
people that pop up because parents have blogs and things yeah like document
their child's journey yeah and I did get a hit but this person was really young
like they look like they were eight maybe and so it was a clue to the telepathy in
your search no well I mean it can't be more direct than your phone number like
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if they have the desire to give you that confirmation right they feed I trust
them like I feel like if if they think it's going to be helpful to them they'll
reach out mm-hmm if they don't think it's worth it they won't yeah and then we
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just have to be at peace with that like it's there balls in their court and they
could pass it back or they could just kick it off to the side and that's
totally their prerogative I would like the confirmation for you and I would love
to know like it's sort of a confirmation like okay yep keep pressing people to
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listen to the tapes keep pressing people to think outside the box on how we
educate and and consider our people with yeah autism our students and people in
our communities because I'm not doing it right man we're not doing it right
collectively and I've always felt like that and I now I know like I know more
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about why mm-hmm and I just would love to be of service if I can if I get that
confirmation this person's his boys family to your head just gonna fall off
me I will never I will not be the same Amanda ever I will move to the vortex in
Sedona and I'll go like a pilgrimage every couple every six months we'll go
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but you can't leave that changes it would change everything for me you know
you talk to people sometimes they're like I'm psychic I'm a medium I and they
say it was such confidence I would I probably would maybe I've never been in
that kind of person but if I had that confirmation I'd probably walk around be
like I'm psychic I'm I don't know you wouldn't you just you would because
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you're in it well first of all I don't think it's confirmation I think it I
think you tapped into a collective consciousness mm-hmm that all of us have
the potential to tap into if you are pure of motive and in the right headspace
and heart space to go there you had you have to be right like you've been since
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we heard about the telepathy tapes you've been chewing on that man I feel so
drawn to it yeah yeah yeah and I think I'm just too distracted of a person I
have caused it like there's just like a pinball game in my head at all times so
you know I ping off at the telepathy tapes and then I'm ping it off of a big
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foot thing and then I'm pinging off of the SW Ranch and I'm pink like just all
over the aliens and then our effing president and all this stuff and my
brain is just very busy all the time you you seem to have like really locked in
on this and I think that's who you are and the fact that you've walked in on it
with such yeah interest I can hyper fix it and I can get kind of tenacious yeah
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now that I think it's a combination of your tenacity and just who you are your
core that's what opened the door for you don't be afraid don't be afraid of it I
have no fear or worry about it I'm definitely gonna play meditation music
at 3 a.m. next time I wake up with my husband snoring I was very conscientious
(46:52):
isn't the word I want that's the limit shampoos to mine that was very astute of
you to do that in that moment like I wake up at 3 a.m. or around there all the
time usually because my yellow Labrador just wants to party yeah some reason
that's his witching hour as well but it never occurs to me like and it should but
I'm just so ready to go back to bed and I don't even think about I need to
(47:16):
meditate more yeah give myself that quiet space I think it's really cool
thank you for letting me tell you and that's not just not just you Lindsay but
like every yeah thank you for letting me share yeah we're gonna title it Amanda
Amanda goes to the hill with Jeff Goldblum's permission and I don't want
(47:38):
to make a joke of it doesn't believe it I think I'm God did Amanda Amanda wonders
if she went to the hill yeah it's perfect that's perfect yep well there's no
we're gonna totally switch gears close out this e-reaction credit and man did
(47:59):
you earn some extra credit so it's plus plus yeah thank you for listening
everybody and please this is if there was ever a time for you to reach out to
us now is it we part of our confirmation is like you telling us we're not crazy
or that keep going or tell us more or whatever or tell us some stories so yeah
(48:23):
perfect yeah yeah all right thank you and we'll talk to you guys later bye
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