February 2, 2025 • 43 mins
Amanda tells Lindsay about a mysterious metal sphere found by the Betz family in 1974 that exhibits strange behaviors, sparking UFO theories, government interest, and decades of speculation in Ft. George, Florida. Where is the ball now, and where can we get one of our very own?
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The paranormal classroom.
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Alright, well it is Wednesday night so we're a day later in the week than we normally are
but I'm Lindsay.
I'm Amanda.
And we are two moms and teachers who love getting together to talk about spooky stuff
with you.
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So we'll start with what's haunting me and you and Amanda off, off, I want to say camera
but no, off mic, off mic, off mic.
Amanda just said you go first.
So my madre, mi madre, my mama, she messaged me using Facebook Messenger today.
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Hi, I wanted to tell you about a lady that's in my book club.
The other day we were talking about magical realism from a book that we were analyzing
and that discussion led into some ghosty stories.
She said that she had a paranormal experience when she was a child living in, and I'm not
going to name the country because I don't want to necessarily give this person away,
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but she said that a man dressed in a Tweet jacket and wearing a hat had appeared to her
on several occasions standing on her balcony holding onto the bars at her window and just
looking into her room.
This room was on the second floor and he had no way of getting up there other than scaling
the wall, getting a ladder or flying.
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This occurred many times.
She told her brother about it.
Then one day she saw a beggar on the street of her town and he was dressed exactly like
the man who had been standing on her balcony.
She said he wasn't really scary but she has no idea who he was or if he was even mortal.
When I told her about your podcast regarding the hat man, she and her brother both had
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to hear it so I gave her that episode and then she gives me the woman's name in case
that person reaches out to us to comment on something.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean it sounds a little different than that man we talked about with your friend,
but that's a crazy story.
There's so many movies like that where something like flies up to your window, like vampire
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movies.
Yeah, and it's always a hard pass for me.
Hard pass.
It's terrifying.
It is scary.
Yeah.
But in my house, my bedroom is on the ground floor and so, but it's still a little higher
off the ground than like the typical person's height.
But I often think like if I see a face in the window, and dear God, I don't want to
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see a face in the window, but if I do, at least I know it's probably not paranormal.
It's great.
Like I can always tell myself that is not something floating outside my effing window.
That is either a living creature or I just don't have to think about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just a rubber.
It could still be Bigfoot and I hope it's Bigfoot, but yeah, it's probably just a prouder,
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not somebody of the immortal realm.
It's fine.
So that's what, that got me.
I was like, ooh.
Yeah.
I wonder if she, I mean I don't expect her to confront him because that could be scary.
Right.
I mean, she now lives here in this country far away from where this happened, but that
will be interesting.
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I'd love to know if she listens to this podcast, which probably she won't because she would
just listen to that one episode, but I would love to know if she or her brother have experienced
it here.
Right.
Since after they think about it for a while.
Weird, right?
Yeah, super weird.
That was a good one.
So it's your turn to share a story this week.
It is my turn.
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And I hope it has nothing to do with things falling from the sky.
Well, great.
It's not meat or, chopped up jellyfish.
Jellyfish.
I posted your husband's text on Facebook.
Oh, you did?
Oh, that's funny.
Her husband texted after that episode and he's like, you've scared every jellyfish in
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the world.
All jellyfish are hiding for their lives.
Well, you can decide if this is somebody that falls from the sky.
This is a story that inspired me.
You know those videos that are being released by the government of these like circular sphere
things that they've caught them on video moving really fast.
UAPs, UFOs.
Uh-huh.
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And explained this when I saw those things coming out in the news, I was reminded of this
story that I heard a really long time ago.
It's called the bets sphere.
Have you heard of the bets sphere?
No.
Okay.
They get these things all the time on or have gotten them all the time on the SW ranch.
Like just these little spherical orb looking craft.
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So, unexplained flying around in and out of the mesa, the ground around in the sky and
coincidentally or not coincidentally appearing when they do different tests and rocket blasts
and things like that.
And it's like, what the heck?
Who is this?
I know.
I know that this is a personal hypothesis that this could be related, but that's not
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based on it.
I know nothing about anything in the world.
So, it's not true, but that was a real sweeping statement.
I know nothing about anything in the world.
My qualified educator though.
They seem similar enough where I could be like, oh, maybe that's the same thing.
And maybe you're right.
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Like we don't know.
Well, you don't know because you haven't heard the story.
So, you ready?
So, okay, I'm taking you to March 27th, 1974.
Didn't you hear of it?
We're going to a place called Fort George Island, Florida, which I think is not actually
an island.
Is it in the Keys?
I don't think it's really an island.
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It's around Jacksonville.
No, this is our first Florida story.
St. George.
Fort George.
Fort George Island.
Oh, Fort George.
That's very different.
Is there a St. George?
There's a St. George, Utah, which is one of my favorite towns in Utah.
God, now I want to know the story behind St. George.
That's a funny name of a St. George.
Is it?
That's my dad's name.
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It's just a funny name.
Like when I think of Saints, I think of like Larenches, which I just made up, I think.
It's the name of a St. George.
It's a great name though.
Fort George, Florida.
Is it an island?
It's an island.
It's like, yeah, it's definitely an island and it has huge river systems in it because
of course it's like below sea level.
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Yeah, it's swampy.
Yeah.
There was a family that lived there called, their last name was Betts, the Betts family.
And they were a successful and wealthy family.
They had a large piece of property and a lovely large old house that kind of looked like a
castle.
It was built with like stone and stuff.
And this property they owned was really large.
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It had marsh on it, but it also had a pine forest on it.
Okay.
You just get, I like to paint a picture for you.
So they were made aware of a brush fire that was on their property way out, not near a
road.
So they had to like go down the logging road and then walk into the forest a little bit
to get to where this brush fire was.
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And when they got there, they found something really strange on the ground.
They found a metal sphere about the size of a bowling ball.
Just sitting there in the ground.
And there wasn't like an indent around it.
Like it had fallen from space or something.
It was just chilling.
And we're not near a road and we're not near water.
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All right.
Like they thought it was a cannonball, like an old, they're like, okay, maybe it was an
old cannonball that somehow made its way over here.
Washed up somehow over decades and decades and decades and got into the inlet or whatever.
Yeah.
That's what they thought it was.
So they pick it up and they realize it's really heavy.
It's like 22 pounds.
Okay.
It's about eight inches diameter and about 22 pounds.
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So heavier than a bowling ball.
And they brought it home with them because they're like, this is neat.
Yep.
I would too.
I think I'd do the same thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They bring it back to their house.
There's, here's the family members.
There's a dad named Antoine.
Okay.
He's a marine engineer.
She's a pretty, like, it's just a scientist.
The mom's name is Jerry and she's a successful business owner.
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Okay.
They have, I think they have more than one child, but the main child in the story is named
Terry and he's their son, a young adult son.
And Terry brought it back to his room and like let it sit in his room for two weeks.
Just nothing happened.
Okay.
Put it in his room for two weeks.
Okay.
Okay.
Here's where it gets weird.
Terry has his girlfriend over and he's playing the guitar for her and it's 74.
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So let's paint the picture.
What song could he be playing?
Bob Dylan.
He's playing Bob Dylan.
We'll throw back Bob Dylan like a rolling stone.
Yes.
That's trying to woo his girl.
Trying to woo his girl.
Playing a little.
His tail is all the time.
He's playing like stairway to heaven or something.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's like, my God, this is the longest song of the history of songs.
Just either kiss me or get out of here.
I've had a boy play guitar for me when I was young.
Oh, he's so sweet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We all fell for it.
Yeah.
It's like idiots.
What is it?
A boy with a guitar.
There's something in our biology that's like, that's hot.
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That's a tip.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
All right.
He's playing music.
He's playing things.
Nothing happens with the sphere, but then he hits some chord that the sphere reacts
to.
When he plays this chord, the sphere, it just like begins to vibrate and make a throbbing
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noise.
A throbbing noise.
Like a thrumming noise?
What's a throbbing noise?
What's a throbbing?
I think so.
What's a thrumming noise to you?
Let's make it very clear for audience.
Throbbing noise?
Like throbbing is an action.
I don't think of it as like a sound.
Like a throbbing is like a, like it's something that's pulsating.
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Like your heart throbs, but it doesn't, that's not describing the sound.
That's describing the movement to me.
But a throbbing sound could be, I mean, I guess it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's what I pictured and vibrating.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
But it's emitting a noise.
It's making a sound and they said, grabs her jacket and her pocketbook.
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Like I'm 85 years old.
I just said pocketbook and dashes out the door and her gloves and the scarf.
And her little tilts and hats, her little box hat.
And she's out.
Hops at her time machine.
Love it.
Okay.
So, so the orb has a woken or something by this noise.
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It sounds like it's making, trying to make the same chord that he's playing on the guitar.
It resonates with it, literally and figuratively.
Yeah.
Somehow.
I guess.
Or it's a communication thing or I don't know.
And you know, surprise, you're not going to get the answer by the end of the podcast.
Okay.
Just let me do that to me.
This is another one.
Another mystery.
Yeah.
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Okay.
I like the mysteries.
Okay.
So now they realize it's, he like gets it off.
He gets it off the shelf and he's like, what the heck is this thing?
What's he doing?
And he's listening to it and he's holding it and he puts it down on the ground and it
starts to roll on its own.
Nope.
Nope.
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It's after the girlfriend.
Get out of there.
Get out.
It just rolls.
That's a horror movie.
That's a sci-fi.
Oh, was that in Pultr guys where they're sitting down and they're watching the chair like move
across the floor and then they sit the kid down and the kid gets pulled across the floor.
Yeah.
It's kind of like that.
It's just unnatural movements.
They're always frigiddy-key.
Yeah.
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It's defying physics for sure.
Right.
Like it's.
An object in motion stays in motion.
An object object at rest stays at rest.
So the fact that it starts moving indicates that there's a force upon it.
What the heck is the force?
Is it something within it?
Is it something from without it?
Like what is going on?
Yeah.
And it gets weirder.
This isn't just a ball that just like you set it down and it rolls.
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It'll stop on its own.
It'll turn and change direction on its own.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
And it will.
It reminds me of what was those, what are those little robots you use in your class?
Oh yeah.
The Sphero Indies.
Yeah.
Is that what you just used?
What do you just do?
Sure.
It's just got a, I'll give you the wrong word, Sphero Mini.
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Sphero Mini.
Yeah.
Indies are the cars that we have.
There's a small wheeled robot inside the shell that climbs up the walls and pushes it forward,
causing the ball to roll.
It's like BB-8.
We have it, yes.
And BB-8 is made out of the same exact thing.
Gyroscope.
That's it.
Thank you.
Gyroscope.
Thank you.
Okay, yes.
So Gyroscope where it seems, yeah.
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The thing that you're describing seems like it's someone's powering or controlling or
coding somehow, programming it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's like, it's got the gyroscope inside, but did they have that technology
in 1974?
No.
The robotics for that?
Yeah.
No.
Well, it's weird.
It's weird.
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So this is what this- We didn't.
We didn't.
Somebody clearly did.
Yeah.
And so that is how weird it moves.
So now the Betts family, obviously Terry shows it to his family and the family gets interested,
like anyone would, and they start doing their own kind of experiments to learn more about
the ball.
And here's different things that it did.
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When you shake it, you can hear three things rolling around inside of it and jiggling.
And when those- They sound like they were balls inside.
And when those balls hit the side wall, they make that kind of chime sound.
You know how the yoga masters will like chime on a bowl or whatever?
Kind of makes that sound faintly.
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If you hit it with the hammer, the sphere reverberates.
Maybe that's normal though.
Maybe if you hit anything with a hammer, metal.
Metal on metal.
Yeah.
If you hit it and it also goes, ow!
Now we have something different.
No.
And I'd love to find that story, but he could activate the movement of the ball.
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Ball by shaking it first and then placing it on the ground.
That would kind of like wake it up to do its little dances on the ground.
Then a little triangle pops up.
You ask a question.
It's like, downfall.
Oh yeah, it's like an eight ball.
Yeah!
It would do weird things like it would follow them.
So you could put it on the ground.
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It would roll away, stop, maybe take a few turns, but it would eventually come back to
your feet.
It would also do that if you moved your position.
So if you stood there, set the ball down, it does its thing where it rolls in weird,
physics defying ways.
You could take a step across the room and then the ball would still come back to your
feet and stop in front of your feet.
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Interesting.
Super interesting.
Now there were camcorders of some kind.
No, that was the 80s.
I don't know, but there are going to be a lot of witnesses.
So you know me.
I like stories of a lot.
Stories of like corroborating.
Give me some evidence.
If you put it on a table, it would roll to the edges and stop.
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Like it knew where the edges were, like exploring.
It could sense depth reception.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah.
And then it was also magnetic and like a paper clip would stick to it.
But they noticed the more it moved, the more magnetic it would get.
So the more it moved, the more it could.
Generating magnetic energy.
You think so?
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You might know a lot.
You kind of engineering.
Well, like if you ever use a power drill.
I've used one.
Yeah.
And with a screw, like a screwdriver head on it.
If you, you can create magnetism.
Like if you, I've never experienced that where you drill a metal into metal.
Oh yeah.
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And then it will stick to it.
And then stuff will, metal will be magnetic for it.
So that's from that, like the metal on metal, like friction can create that polarization,
which is pretty wide.
I didn't know that.
I knew it kind of created a heat.
And I know that's like that.
Yeah, like that.
Screw will stick to it.
It's just another type of energy.
Yep.
Okay.
Now some screwdriver heads are intended to be, they're magnetic.
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Like they're supposed to be.
So that it helps hold on to the screw as you drive it into the wood or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't totally understand magnets.
It's sort of like clouds.
Yeah.
I kind of get it, but it also sort of blows my mind.
I'm not a physicist.
No, thank you.
Physicists everywhere for doing the hard work.
Yeah.
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This ball, the bet sphere would also like, you know, already it responds to harmony,
vibration, frequency, when certain notes or chords are played.
I think that's super cool.
I think there's some kind of connection with music in this world, like some kind of frequencies,
sound frequencies for sure.
Yeah.
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So they stored it in a trunk and they were showing it to friends and family.
Yeah.
They started out by showing it to like friends and family, right?
Okay.
That's really cool.
And they referred to it as a Mexican jumping bean.
Oh my gosh.
Do you remember those in the videos?
Yeah, I love that one.
Oh, so long.
Because they're just like larvae of a moth and the worm inside the bean is what makes
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it.
Do they ever come out as a...
Oh, sure.
But they don't live because they're like not a native species.
Or because they've had traumatic head injuries from under shaking.
They come out but they're not right.
They come out with a little tiny band.
Yeah.
We would get those.
We'd order...
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You can pick those up at a gas station, tour, some trap thing.
You can also do like Simo G's.
Yeah.
You could order a lot of things from the back of a magazine.
Probably can't do it now because it's probably cruel.
It's probably cruel to animals.
I'm sure you can in some places.
Yeah.
I would guess Arizona you probably could.
That's probably some border states.
Okay.
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So Jerry the mom, I think she's pretty smart.
You know how we've talked about like what would you do?
Who would you call if something paranormal happened to you?
A. You.
Yeah.
I would have been like the friend to come over and see the ball first.
100%.
100%.
Yep.
I think Jerry was really smart about it because she wanted somebody to check this ball out.
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So she called the news.
She called the Jacksonville Journal first.
Yeah.
Because I think she knew that it would get like a lot of attention and then that would
help scientists come and look at it.
Okay.
Okay.
I think that's what she's thinking.
So someone, a representative from the Jacksonville Journal paper, he arrives at the door and...
His day is about to be so made.
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Yeah.
Because I heard he showed up and he's like, show me the sphere.
I don't wear the ball.
He's like, it's Friday at 4 p.m.
I don't want to go home.
Right.
He's low man on the totem pole.
Yeah.
He was assigned this report to make.
Yikes.
So Jerry greets him at the door and says, you're not going to believe this until you see it.
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And she puts the ball down in front of him and it rolls forward and then it stops and
doesn't do anything.
And the reporter's looking at Jerry and Jerry says, just wait.
She's like, just wait a second.
And then about a minute later, the ball turns, rolls another direction, stops, turns, rolls
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another direction, stops, turns, and then makes an arc and rolls back to in front of
the journalist's feet.
Yep.
Yeah.
And in 1974, that would have been, that guy would need a new pair of pants.
Yikes.
That'd be amazing to see.
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Amazing.
Yeah.
Amazing.
But then as a reporter, what questions do you even ask?
Yeah, I don't know.
Where did you find it?
There's an article on it.
Yeah.
How long have you had it?
And that's the extent of what I have to ask because everything else I want to know is
not explainable.
Yeah.
That's cool.
It is cool.
And, but I think that if it happened to us now, I'd be like, okay, who's got the zero?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where's the iPad?
Who's the square's the square on there?
There's the BB-8.
Yeah.
I don't know if you've got the technology in that.
Yep.
But yeah, at the time it was crazy.
So, so more journalists come after this article.
Sure.
Like Florida Times, the local TV news, the radio, it even gets international attention
for news stations.
Really?
Yeah.
Because in the 70s, four in this time, there was a lot of like UFO reports.
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Yeah.
And we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Yeah.
And then we had, yeah.
So we landed on the moon and there was a lot of space race stuff.
Like, it was, yeah.
Yeah.
So it was getting a lot of attention.
And all of these reporters and Star Wars movies started happening.
Oh my gosh.
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The Star Wars movies came in 77, right?
I thought, yes.
Yes.
Because I wasn't born in it, but my husband was.
Yes.
I believe so.
Yeah.
Okay.
So these news stations, they help arrange tests with scientific institutions.
And Jerry stays with the ball the whole time.
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Smart.
This is important because she's a smart, I think she's really, truly a smart person and
they're very successful people.
They're not like trying to make money off this.
And she wants to know what it is and she's not letting it out of her sight.
So they arranged these tests with scientific institutions like the University of Florida
and they do much tests.
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And the tests reveal that the sphere is emitting an electromagnetic field and was magnetized.
I don't really know what an electromagnetic field is though.
So that's what like an EMF detector, that's what that's detecting.
So anything that puts out electricity, like you can an EMF detector around any of this
equipment right now would be going off.
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So it's producing its own electricity essentially.
So somewhere in on or around it, electricity is being generated.
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That doesn't just happen.
No.
Oh, and I forgot to mention this.
The ball is, there's no seams on it and there's no point of entry.
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Like when you make a ball, there's usually like a welding seam, right?
To put pieces together or there's a hole like a pinata.
Right.
Then you plug up the hole later.
This sphere has none of that.
It's just solid.
Yeah.
Do they start drilling into it and stuff?
They tried like, they did like heat tests and pressure tests with how much weight it
could carry and they like maxed out the pressure tests they were doing.
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Yeah.
They couldn't crush it.
They couldn't crush it and they determined, but all the scientists thought that it was
like stainless steel manmade, but they didn't know what it was.
Everyone's like, this is weird.
But they thought it was of the earth.
Because stainless steel, you can crush.
I don't know.
If your ball is thick enough, wouldn't, I don't know.
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I'm not a scientist, so I, but I'm thinking if your ball is thick enough, the thicker
it is, the more pressure it can handle.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
It's like a lot of steel.
So steel is heavy.
So if it were solid steel, it'd be more than 22 pounds if it's bigger than about the size
of a bowling ball.
Yeah.
And it's not solid.
We're going to find that out soon.
Okay.
Yeah.
So then that's mysterious that they couldn't crush it.
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I know.
Or pop it.
Can you pop a metal ball?
No.
Crack, crack it.
Sure.
Interesting.
Okay.
What else you got for me?
This is wild.
You like it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want one of these.
I want one too.
I want to find one.
I want one too.
Right?
This is a really big story at the time.
The National Enquirer was offering like tons of money, like 10,000, 50,000, no to like have
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proof, definitive proof of aliens.
Oh, okay.
And I know the National Enquirer, like we kind of giggle about that.
It's a joke.
It's a joke.
It's got Batboy and all those weird things.
But in 1974, there weren't a lot of publications that were actually researching weird stuff.
Okay.
So the National Enquirer, as silly as it sounds, they did have connections with really reputable
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scientists.
Okay.
So they, yeah.
And then at some point they lost their way.
Yeah.
So I think they lost their reputation.
But at the time, they made, they had a panel with five experts on it, like really qualified
people.
Okay.
And the panel was in New Orleans and they had Jay Allen Hineck, who was a Northwestern
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University Astronomy Professor, and he was the best known ufologist at the time.
And they had Dr. James Harder, who was a research research director of the aerial phenomena research
organization in Berkeley, California.
Oh, heard of it.
Yeah.
They've got like real doctors.
They've got doctors and professors on this panel, and they invite the bets to come and
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be a part of that panel.
And I'm going to show you a picture.
This is Terry.
Oh, wow.
Terry, that's a mustache.
He would be played by Paul Rudd in the movie.
Yes.
That is, it is perfectly spherical and smooth.
But 100% that's Paul Rudd in another light.
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I think he's a cutie.
Like for the 70s, I think he's like, he looks like a rock star.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's got great eyebrows and great hair, but that's definitely a shiny silver metal
ball.
So he takes it to this panel and the panelists are inspecting it.
Because if they get the blue ribbon or whatever, they get all the money.
But I'm not sure they're really there for the money.
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I think they're like really trying.
They really want to know.
They're really genuinely curious.
It's like us.
Money's not going to hurt, but.
Yeah.
We were after the proof.
So they didn't get the prize because they know.
Didn't somebody else have something more convincing?
I don't know if anybody got it.
Because it had to be proof, definitive proof of aliens.
And they decided the ball was cool, but it wasn't proof.
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It could have been manned.
Yeah.
I guess.
Yeah.
It starts to get weird though.
People want this ball at this point because it's really popular.
So people are coming out of the woodwork to try and claim the ball or get the ball.
Yeah.
Of course they are.
It was mine.
Yeah.
Some guy.
I knew I lost it somewhere.
That's what some guy calls and he's like, I lost my collection of balls.
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It's not a puppy.
I lost my collection of balls.
I was driving my Volkswagen down the freeway and it fell off the roof.
A, it was nowhere near the highway and B, he had no way to prove that.
No.
No.
Where's your receipts buddy?
Yeah.
And why would you have it strapped to the rounded roof of a Volkswagen?
(27:16):
I didn't think of that but you're right.
Why would you put a spear?
Why would you tie a spear to the top of your rounded roof?
Yeah.
Again, not a geometry wizard, but I do know that seems unwind.
You are a genius actually.
I love it.
Amanda said so.
That's my definitive proof.
All right.
So, and then people came by the house.
They were getting a lot of attention at the house and people were trying to buy it for
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like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
They were making really big offers.
The US Navy gets involved.
The US Navy offers to test it for safety.
Right?
And they're like, let's make sure it's not a missile.
Let's make sure it's not a bomb.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Jerry was, Jerry the mom, she's very like controlling protective of this ball and she
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wasn't feeling great about them taking it.
Yeah, no, no, don't give it to the Navy.
Feeling super trust.
She did want to know if it was a bomber.
Sure, sure.
Well, yeah.
But it seems like we're a little past that Jerry.
Yeah.
If it was going to destroy your family, it would have done so by now.
Yeah.
They had negotiations and the Navy convinced her to let them take it for tests, but they
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promised her that they would bring it back.
All lies.
Yeah.
So I already know there's no way they're giving that thing back.
Yeah.
This is why things start to get a little bit weird and I'm going to go into the weirdness
a little bit.
But if you want like the full story with interviews with the family members and everything, I'm
going to recommend my favorite podcast.
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Oh, okay.
The Astonishing Legends, they have four episodes each three hours.
They've got interviews with the Beds family.
That's so crazy.
Listen, they're doing it.
Yeah.
They're doing the podcast thing.
We're like...
We're dabblers.
We're dabblers.
You like listen to us and we send you to Astonishing Legends.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They give us nothing.
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But I love them.
I love them so much.
All right.
So they take, then US Navy takes the ball for testing and they came back with like a
report.
They did return the ball by the way.
Was it the same ball?
They returned?
Was the ball changed?
They returned the ball with a Manila envelope that had X-rays inside.
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Yeah.
And I'm going to show you the X-rays in a minute, but this is what they said.
So their statement was, it's not explosive, you don't need to worry about it.
They said it was a ball bearing.
No, it's not.
Get out of here.
And they said it only moved because the Betsy's house was old and had uneven stone floors.
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The government treats us like we're stupid.
She had, did they miss the part where the dudes from Berkeley rested it?
Right.
And the other guy who's like the leading ufologist and astronomer, you didn't think they'd go,
well, let's just see if there's a slope in your living room.
Right.
They would have thought of that.
Idiots.
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They treat us like we're idiots.
They're the idiots.
And what kind of slope stops the ball, turns it, moves it, gives it an arc?
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just a perpetual motion.
Oh, but by the way, everyone's going to stop it completely and start it from nothing.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They also said that they didn't have the ability to x-ray it and they wanted it back so they
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could send it to a better facility with a better x-ray.
So they said they didn't have the ability to x-ray it, but they sent x-rays when they
returned it.
So here's the thing.
The guy that returned it, the military representative that brought the ball and the middle envelope,
was apparently like this really young, almost like a career.
Okay.
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So Jerry or someone in the family felt like they made a mistake.
They returned the ball.
They actually returned the ball.
And the x-rays that they said they didn't have.
And they weren't supposed to give the x-rays.
And maybe they weren't supposed to.
So Jerry did get the ball back though.
Yeah.
And some bonus x-rays.
What's in the x-rays?
Are you ready?
Yeah.
(31:23):
I'll show you.
It's one of those worms from the labyrinth.
Oh my gosh, that'd be so cool.
That's what I pictured inside.
There's three of those because you said it when it hits the side.
Come on, tell me.
Meet the Mrs. So cute.
That'd be amazing.
I want to find that ball.
I'm going to show you the x-ray and you can tell everybody what you'll see.
(31:47):
Weird.
So, interesting.
It looks like when you like candle an egg.
And there are three at the very center.
Shades of gray.
Because it's hollow inside.
Or there's like layers of a gobstop or something.
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Yeah.
It kind of looks like layers.
It looks like a super fuzzy blurred out picture of an eyeball.
And at the very center of what would be the iris.
Is that the color part?
I don't remember if that's the color.
I never remember.
(32:29):
But it's got three little pupils.
Yeah, there's three different sizes.
At least two sizes.
I think it's three sizes.
A larger, a significantly smaller, and then one that's either the same size as that or
just a fraction of a bit smaller.
And they're all kind of on this right in the center of the mass and a little diagonal
about, I don't know, centimeter.
(32:50):
In the size of this picture, which is like 8 1⁄2 by 11 piece of paper, it's like, it
looks like they're about a centimeter apart.
They're in a straight line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Three things.
Three things.
Remember, Jerry said when she shook it, she thought there were three little balls inside.
Looks like there's three little balls inside.
But the middle one, they speculate.
So the one in the very middle is kind of fuzzy, like something like it's not right.
(33:12):
Like they think maybe whatever this was is broken and it has something to do with that
thing in the middle.
So if this is that same object that we've been seeing in the military videos that can
fly, maybe this one's broken.
And that's why it's just chilling on the floor or floor.
Maybe.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
I make everything up, but it sounds good to me.
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There's also, this is really hard to see.
There's some other pictures online that highlight, change the lighting and stuff, but there is
a straight metal wire coming out of that central sphere.
Can you see it?
Kind of.
It's not really subtle, but there's just like a straight, I can't see it at this angle.
There's a straight metal line or metal wire just coming out.
(33:58):
Interesting.
Okay.
I know.
But why is it moving around independently?
I don't know.
And does that look, could that possibly be gyroscopy?
What you're seeing in here?
I mean, maybe, but also the gyroscope, like the gyroscope within our iPads and cell phones,
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it works when we tilt it.
So it's, it is moved by a force upon it.
If there is a gyroscope inside of this metal ball that had no robotics attached to it,
no remote control, it wouldn't just go without a force upon it.
Like could there be something inside now?
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A motor or something?
Yeah, but that technology at that time, I don't think existed.
And you're not seeing anything on the X-rays that would indicate any kind of engine, motor,
computer, that computers that, you know, at this time, the dawn of the computer, but not
that small.
Yeah.
I mean, computers that time were still taking up entire rooms.
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Ha, that's true.
That's true.
I mean, this is amazing, whatever it is.
Okay.
But they still couldn't get into it.
They can't drill into it and crack it open.
And that's, that's the most mysterious part of it to me, is that they couldn't get inside
of it.
Right.
Right.
There was nothing that could penetrate that.
I mean, we have stuff that can drill into all kinds of gemstones and rock and geology
(35:27):
of all kinds, but they couldn't get into that.
So it's some sort of alloy.
So it's a mixed metal of some kind.
Could you shave it down eventually?
Like you could shave it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would tell like it's, it's penetrable.
I would assume the Navy would have tried that, right?
I think so, but-
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Wouldn't you try to puncture it?
As soon as you figured out it's not explosive.
Yeah.
I'd be drilling into it.
I really don't know.
Is the Navy like our scientific head of our military?
I don't know what the Navy would have.
I don't know who would have a lot of technology, but I was thinking more like CIA, FBI, like
I don't know that Navy.
I think they all have.
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Some testing equipment.
Yeah.
I think that's good enough to learn more.
Remember it's not an educational podcast.
Nope.
Unless you educate us.
Educate us.
So tell us how that works.
Okay.
So the family is starting to get paranoid now because they had that weird experience
with the military saying we don't, we can't do X-rays.
We want it back.
But yet here it is.
(36:29):
Yeah.
And astonishing legends goes in a way better detail about this, but Jerry thinks that her
home is wire tapped.
She has some weird incidents where she thinks like they're tapping her.
They're strange official people like coming around to the house and poking around like
men in suits, men in black.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Like weird stuff's happening and she's starting to get kind of.
(36:50):
Time to move.
Yeah.
And she's continuing to take it around and like get it like looked at and tested and
showed it off by people and she's getting a lot of attention.
But at some point, Lindsay, it happened.
You got stolen.
The ball was out of her sight for something for someone testing or something.
She let it out for a second.
And she got it back.
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But after getting it back from this incident, it never moved.
She claims it never moved again.
They killed it.
I don't know.
Maybe someone swapped it with a replica.
Maybe someone killed it, destroyed whatever was inside.
I bet they swapped it.
Did she ever have the replica X-rayed?
She says that she was going to X-ray it on her own.
(37:32):
Yeah.
And I can't remember if she did or not.
But they kind of dropped out of the public eye at this point.
Sure, I probably would too.
And I have a theory and I could be totally wrong.
But I wonder if she made up the story about it not moving again to get to just be done
with it, to just be done with all the attention.
(37:53):
Yeah.
Not a bad idea.
Yeah.
And the creepiness, the creepiness, right?
Like people are coming around her house and she thinks her phone's tapped and they
ended up moving.
But I'm sad that the creepiest part of the story is the human intrusion.
Not this mysterious potentially alien object that could have been a bomb.
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None of that.
She was not creeped out or bothered by any of that.
Human beings invading her privacy, invading her space, being shifty, shiesty weirdos.
That's where she got upset.
Shame on them.
Yeah.
Man, that sucks.
People just want answers.
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Let's just be straight up honest, man.
You don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Why do you have to be shifty and shady?
Just say, hey, if there was one of those things in the woods, we'd love to know if there's
more.
Yeah.
If we know this is your personal property, could we pay you to come out here and bring
some equipment and do some tech?
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Just be on the up and up.
Yeah.
Treat people with dignity and respect.
It's not hard.
I know.
I'm going to be amazed what you get back for it.
The only thing I can think of is, I do believe that our military should keep some secrets
from the public for safety.
Sure.
But I always feel a lot of the time with these stories, I'm like, why can't we know
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that?
Just tell us.
Right.
Can't we know what this ball does?
Right.
What it is.
If it's not dangerous, if it's not really a secret, secret, secret, security secret.
I don't know.
But they moved.
The family moved.
And nobody knows where the sphere is now.
It's either with the family or they have a replica and the originals with someone else.
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But it hasn't popped up again.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And that was in the 70s.
So I wonder if any of them are still alive.
The kids, grandkids, whatever, future generations.
Yeah.
Well, the family just did an interview with Astonishing Legends a few years ago, but
they said it was their last interview because they trusted those guys.
Those guys do really good research and reporting.
They were like, we'll do one last interview with you guys and then we're done.
(40:04):
Fair enough.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I'm sorry, Beth's family for the intrusion and invasion.
And I really applaud your tenacity and trying to figure it out.
Yeah.
I'm glad everybody seemed to be okay.
Not that nobody was hurt by it, but at least by that thing.
But I'm sorry for the yuckiness that came with it after.
Me too.
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Like right at the end, it seems like there was a lot of yuckiness at the end for them.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't believe that beautiful house and that property and...
Yeah.
Plain.
Mm-hmm.
But I still want to know what it is.
And I want to know if it's related to those things that are floating around that they're
catching on camera.
Yeah.
Could be.
That's the end of the story, Lens.
Hmm.
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I don't know.
So if you found something like that, what would you do?
Would you just be like, that's freaking weird.
Would you turn it in?
Who would you tell?
Like, besides me, obviously, I would tell you.
But would you go to the police?
I don't think I'd go to the police.
I don't think I'd go to the news either.
But I do think I'd take it to scientists.
I think I'd go to the University of Washington.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Start there.
Yeah.
Like a local scientist that you can kind of trust.
Yeah.
There is like the money element too though.
Like scientists don't just work for free, I'm assuming.
Sure, sure, sure.
They have to have funding.
They have to have funding to do the tests to find out what it is for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why a lot of these experiments just stop before you want to know what the
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answer is.
Maybe it's funding.
It could be.
Although, I don't know, I think it was a lot of people who have access to labs and things
that would just run a quick test or do this or that and not even don't ask, don't tell
a kind of thing.
Yeah.
I wonder if you could do like an MRI on it.
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No, you couldn't because that's a massive one.
It's a magnet.
Yeah.
So just X-rays are the only way to look inside.
Unless you can figure out a way to drill or shave it down like you said or I don't know.
If you guys have any ideas on how to get into a chunk of metal like that, I'd love to know.
Yeah.
Huh.
Right.
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Should we do homework?
Yeah, what do you got?
Nothing.
It's a free week everybody.
Yes, yes.
It's finals week.
You're off the hook.
No, I'm sure I'll sign it.
No, I have a homework.
Send a link of the podcast to anybody.
We're on YouTube now.
Yeah.
We just started like posting on YouTube too.
So we're pretty accessible.
Yeah.
Just share it with.
(42:34):
Share it with somebody.
One other person.
Yeah.
Like just post the link on your socials if you feel confident enough to do that or send
it to one other person.
If you've enjoyed any of what we're doing, just share it with one other person who might
also enjoy it.
And that's it.
Thanks for listening.
Yeah.
Class dismissed.
And don't open the door.
Stop open the door.
The paranormal classroom.
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Alright, well it is Wednesday night so we're a day later in the week than we normally are
but I'm Lindsay.
I'm Amanda.
And we are two moms and teachers who love getting together to talk about spooky stuff
with you.
(00:27):
So we'll start with what's haunting me and you and Amanda off, off, I want to say camera
but no, off mic, off mic, off mic.
Amanda just said you go first.
So my madre, mi madre, my mama, she messaged me using Facebook Messenger today.
(00:48):
Hi, I wanted to tell you about a lady that's in my book club.
The other day we were talking about magical realism from a book that we were analyzing
and that discussion led into some ghosty stories.
She said that she had a paranormal experience when she was a child living in, and I'm not
going to name the country because I don't want to necessarily give this person away,
(01:09):
but she said that a man dressed in a Tweet jacket and wearing a hat had appeared to her
on several occasions standing on her balcony holding onto the bars at her window and just
looking into her room.
This room was on the second floor and he had no way of getting up there other than scaling
the wall, getting a ladder or flying.
(01:31):
This occurred many times.
She told her brother about it.
Then one day she saw a beggar on the street of her town and he was dressed exactly like
the man who had been standing on her balcony.
She said he wasn't really scary but she has no idea who he was or if he was even mortal.
When I told her about your podcast regarding the hat man, she and her brother both had
(01:52):
to hear it so I gave her that episode and then she gives me the woman's name in case
that person reaches out to us to comment on something.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean it sounds a little different than that man we talked about with your friend,
but that's a crazy story.
There's so many movies like that where something like flies up to your window, like vampire
(02:13):
movies.
Yeah, and it's always a hard pass for me.
Hard pass.
It's terrifying.
It is scary.
Yeah.
But in my house, my bedroom is on the ground floor and so, but it's still a little higher
off the ground than like the typical person's height.
But I often think like if I see a face in the window, and dear God, I don't want to
(02:36):
see a face in the window, but if I do, at least I know it's probably not paranormal.
It's great.
Like I can always tell myself that is not something floating outside my effing window.
That is either a living creature or I just don't have to think about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just a rubber.
It could still be Bigfoot and I hope it's Bigfoot, but yeah, it's probably just a prouder,
(03:01):
not somebody of the immortal realm.
It's fine.
So that's what, that got me.
I was like, ooh.
Yeah.
I wonder if she, I mean I don't expect her to confront him because that could be scary.
Right.
I mean, she now lives here in this country far away from where this happened, but that
will be interesting.
(03:22):
I'd love to know if she listens to this podcast, which probably she won't because she would
just listen to that one episode, but I would love to know if she or her brother have experienced
it here.
Right.
Since after they think about it for a while.
Weird, right?
Yeah, super weird.
That was a good one.
So it's your turn to share a story this week.
It is my turn.
(03:42):
And I hope it has nothing to do with things falling from the sky.
Well, great.
It's not meat or, chopped up jellyfish.
Jellyfish.
I posted your husband's text on Facebook.
Oh, you did?
Oh, that's funny.
Her husband texted after that episode and he's like, you've scared every jellyfish in
(04:03):
the world.
All jellyfish are hiding for their lives.
Well, you can decide if this is somebody that falls from the sky.
This is a story that inspired me.
You know those videos that are being released by the government of these like circular sphere
things that they've caught them on video moving really fast.
UAPs, UFOs.
Uh-huh.
(04:24):
And explained this when I saw those things coming out in the news, I was reminded of this
story that I heard a really long time ago.
It's called the bets sphere.
Have you heard of the bets sphere?
No.
Okay.
They get these things all the time on or have gotten them all the time on the SW ranch.
Like just these little spherical orb looking craft.
(04:48):
So, unexplained flying around in and out of the mesa, the ground around in the sky and
coincidentally or not coincidentally appearing when they do different tests and rocket blasts
and things like that.
And it's like, what the heck?
Who is this?
I know.
I know that this is a personal hypothesis that this could be related, but that's not
(05:09):
based on it.
I know nothing about anything in the world.
So, it's not true, but that was a real sweeping statement.
I know nothing about anything in the world.
My qualified educator though.
They seem similar enough where I could be like, oh, maybe that's the same thing.
And maybe you're right.
(05:30):
Like we don't know.
Well, you don't know because you haven't heard the story.
So, you ready?
So, okay, I'm taking you to March 27th, 1974.
Didn't you hear of it?
We're going to a place called Fort George Island, Florida, which I think is not actually
an island.
Is it in the Keys?
I don't think it's really an island.
(05:51):
It's around Jacksonville.
No, this is our first Florida story.
St. George.
Fort George.
Fort George Island.
Oh, Fort George.
That's very different.
Is there a St. George?
There's a St. George, Utah, which is one of my favorite towns in Utah.
God, now I want to know the story behind St. George.
That's a funny name of a St. George.
Is it?
That's my dad's name.
(06:12):
It's just a funny name.
Like when I think of Saints, I think of like Larenches, which I just made up, I think.
It's the name of a St. George.
It's a great name though.
Fort George, Florida.
Is it an island?
It's an island.
It's like, yeah, it's definitely an island and it has huge river systems in it because
of course it's like below sea level.
(06:33):
Yeah, it's swampy.
Yeah.
There was a family that lived there called, their last name was Betts, the Betts family.
And they were a successful and wealthy family.
They had a large piece of property and a lovely large old house that kind of looked like a
castle.
It was built with like stone and stuff.
And this property they owned was really large.
(06:55):
It had marsh on it, but it also had a pine forest on it.
Okay.
You just get, I like to paint a picture for you.
So they were made aware of a brush fire that was on their property way out, not near a
road.
So they had to like go down the logging road and then walk into the forest a little bit
to get to where this brush fire was.
(07:16):
And when they got there, they found something really strange on the ground.
They found a metal sphere about the size of a bowling ball.
Just sitting there in the ground.
And there wasn't like an indent around it.
Like it had fallen from space or something.
It was just chilling.
And we're not near a road and we're not near water.
(07:39):
All right.
Like they thought it was a cannonball, like an old, they're like, okay, maybe it was an
old cannonball that somehow made its way over here.
Washed up somehow over decades and decades and decades and got into the inlet or whatever.
Yeah.
That's what they thought it was.
So they pick it up and they realize it's really heavy.
It's like 22 pounds.
Okay.
It's about eight inches diameter and about 22 pounds.
(08:01):
So heavier than a bowling ball.
And they brought it home with them because they're like, this is neat.
Yep.
I would too.
I think I'd do the same thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They bring it back to their house.
There's, here's the family members.
There's a dad named Antoine.
Okay.
He's a marine engineer.
She's a pretty, like, it's just a scientist.
The mom's name is Jerry and she's a successful business owner.
(08:22):
Okay.
They have, I think they have more than one child, but the main child in the story is named
Terry and he's their son, a young adult son.
And Terry brought it back to his room and like let it sit in his room for two weeks.
Just nothing happened.
Okay.
Put it in his room for two weeks.
Okay.
Okay.
Here's where it gets weird.
Terry has his girlfriend over and he's playing the guitar for her and it's 74.
(08:47):
So let's paint the picture.
What song could he be playing?
Bob Dylan.
He's playing Bob Dylan.
We'll throw back Bob Dylan like a rolling stone.
Yes.
That's trying to woo his girl.
Trying to woo his girl.
Playing a little.
His tail is all the time.
He's playing like stairway to heaven or something.
(09:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's like, my God, this is the longest song of the history of songs.
Just either kiss me or get out of here.
I've had a boy play guitar for me when I was young.
Oh, he's so sweet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We all fell for it.
Yeah.
It's like idiots.
What is it?
A boy with a guitar.
There's something in our biology that's like, that's hot.
(09:32):
That's a tip.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
That's a tip for you boys.
All right.
He's playing music.
He's playing things.
Nothing happens with the sphere, but then he hits some chord that the sphere reacts
to.
When he plays this chord, the sphere, it just like begins to vibrate and make a throbbing
(09:53):
noise.
A throbbing noise.
Like a thrumming noise?
What's a throbbing noise?
What's a throbbing?
I think so.
What's a thrumming noise to you?
Let's make it very clear for audience.
Throbbing noise?
Like throbbing is an action.
I don't think of it as like a sound.
Like a throbbing is like a, like it's something that's pulsating.
(10:16):
Like your heart throbs, but it doesn't, that's not describing the sound.
That's describing the movement to me.
But a throbbing sound could be, I mean, I guess it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's what I pictured and vibrating.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
But it's emitting a noise.
It's making a sound and they said, grabs her jacket and her pocketbook.
(10:40):
Like I'm 85 years old.
I just said pocketbook and dashes out the door and her gloves and the scarf.
And her little tilts and hats, her little box hat.
And she's out.
Hops at her time machine.
Love it.
Okay.
So, so the orb has a woken or something by this noise.
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It sounds like it's making, trying to make the same chord that he's playing on the guitar.
It resonates with it, literally and figuratively.
Yeah.
Somehow.
I guess.
Or it's a communication thing or I don't know.
And you know, surprise, you're not going to get the answer by the end of the podcast.
Okay.
Just let me do that to me.
This is another one.
Another mystery.
Yeah.
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Okay.
I like the mysteries.
Okay.
So now they realize it's, he like gets it off.
He gets it off the shelf and he's like, what the heck is this thing?
What's he doing?
And he's listening to it and he's holding it and he puts it down on the ground and it
starts to roll on its own.
Nope.
Nope.
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It's after the girlfriend.
Get out of there.
Get out.
It just rolls.
That's a horror movie.
That's a sci-fi.
Oh, was that in Pultr guys where they're sitting down and they're watching the chair like move
across the floor and then they sit the kid down and the kid gets pulled across the floor.
Yeah.
It's kind of like that.
It's just unnatural movements.
They're always frigiddy-key.
Yeah.
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It's defying physics for sure.
Right.
Like it's.
An object in motion stays in motion.
An object object at rest stays at rest.
So the fact that it starts moving indicates that there's a force upon it.
What the heck is the force?
Is it something within it?
Is it something from without it?
Like what is going on?
Yeah.
And it gets weirder.
This isn't just a ball that just like you set it down and it rolls.
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It'll stop on its own.
It'll turn and change direction on its own.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
And it will.
It reminds me of what was those, what are those little robots you use in your class?
Oh yeah.
The Sphero Indies.
Yeah.
Is that what you just used?
What do you just do?
Sure.
It's just got a, I'll give you the wrong word, Sphero Mini.
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Sphero Mini.
Yeah.
Indies are the cars that we have.
There's a small wheeled robot inside the shell that climbs up the walls and pushes it forward,
causing the ball to roll.
It's like BB-8.
We have it, yes.
And BB-8 is made out of the same exact thing.
Gyroscope.
That's it.
Thank you.
Gyroscope.
Thank you.
Okay, yes.
So Gyroscope where it seems, yeah.
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The thing that you're describing seems like it's someone's powering or controlling or
coding somehow, programming it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's like, it's got the gyroscope inside, but did they have that technology
in 1974?
No.
The robotics for that?
Yeah.
No.
Well, it's weird.
It's weird.
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So this is what this- We didn't.
We didn't.
Somebody clearly did.
Yeah.
And so that is how weird it moves.
So now the Betts family, obviously Terry shows it to his family and the family gets interested,
like anyone would, and they start doing their own kind of experiments to learn more about
the ball.
And here's different things that it did.
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When you shake it, you can hear three things rolling around inside of it and jiggling.
And when those- They sound like they were balls inside.
And when those balls hit the side wall, they make that kind of chime sound.
You know how the yoga masters will like chime on a bowl or whatever?
Kind of makes that sound faintly.
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If you hit it with the hammer, the sphere reverberates.
Maybe that's normal though.
Maybe if you hit anything with a hammer, metal.
Metal on metal.
Yeah.
If you hit it and it also goes, ow!
Now we have something different.
No.
And I'd love to find that story, but he could activate the movement of the ball.
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Ball by shaking it first and then placing it on the ground.
That would kind of like wake it up to do its little dances on the ground.
Then a little triangle pops up.
You ask a question.
It's like, downfall.
Oh yeah, it's like an eight ball.
Yeah!
It would do weird things like it would follow them.
So you could put it on the ground.
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It would roll away, stop, maybe take a few turns, but it would eventually come back to
your feet.
It would also do that if you moved your position.
So if you stood there, set the ball down, it does its thing where it rolls in weird,
physics defying ways.
You could take a step across the room and then the ball would still come back to your
feet and stop in front of your feet.
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Interesting.
Super interesting.
Now there were camcorders of some kind.
No, that was the 80s.
I don't know, but there are going to be a lot of witnesses.
So you know me.
I like stories of a lot.
Stories of like corroborating.
Give me some evidence.
If you put it on a table, it would roll to the edges and stop.
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Like it knew where the edges were, like exploring.
It could sense depth reception.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah.
And then it was also magnetic and like a paper clip would stick to it.
But they noticed the more it moved, the more magnetic it would get.
So the more it moved, the more it could.
Generating magnetic energy.
You think so?
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You might know a lot.
You kind of engineering.
Well, like if you ever use a power drill.
I've used one.
Yeah.
And with a screw, like a screwdriver head on it.
If you, you can create magnetism.
Like if you, I've never experienced that where you drill a metal into metal.
Oh yeah.
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And then it will stick to it.
And then stuff will, metal will be magnetic for it.
So that's from that, like the metal on metal, like friction can create that polarization,
which is pretty wide.
I didn't know that.
I knew it kind of created a heat.
And I know that's like that.
Yeah, like that.
Screw will stick to it.
It's just another type of energy.
Yep.
Okay.
Now some screwdriver heads are intended to be, they're magnetic.
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Like they're supposed to be.
So that it helps hold on to the screw as you drive it into the wood or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't totally understand magnets.
It's sort of like clouds.
Yeah.
I kind of get it, but it also sort of blows my mind.
I'm not a physicist.
No, thank you.
Physicists everywhere for doing the hard work.
Yeah.
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This ball, the bet sphere would also like, you know, already it responds to harmony,
vibration, frequency, when certain notes or chords are played.
I think that's super cool.
I think there's some kind of connection with music in this world, like some kind of frequencies,
sound frequencies for sure.
Yeah.
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So they stored it in a trunk and they were showing it to friends and family.
Yeah.
They started out by showing it to like friends and family, right?
Okay.
That's really cool.
And they referred to it as a Mexican jumping bean.
Oh my gosh.
Do you remember those in the videos?
Yeah, I love that one.
Oh, so long.
Because they're just like larvae of a moth and the worm inside the bean is what makes
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it.
Do they ever come out as a...
Oh, sure.
But they don't live because they're like not a native species.
Or because they've had traumatic head injuries from under shaking.
They come out but they're not right.
They come out with a little tiny band.
Yeah.
We would get those.
We'd order...
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You can pick those up at a gas station, tour, some trap thing.
You can also do like Simo G's.
Yeah.
You could order a lot of things from the back of a magazine.
Probably can't do it now because it's probably cruel.
It's probably cruel to animals.
I'm sure you can in some places.
Yeah.
I would guess Arizona you probably could.
That's probably some border states.
Okay.
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So Jerry the mom, I think she's pretty smart.
You know how we've talked about like what would you do?
Who would you call if something paranormal happened to you?
A. You.
Yeah.
I would have been like the friend to come over and see the ball first.
100%.
100%.
Yep.
I think Jerry was really smart about it because she wanted somebody to check this ball out.
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So she called the news.
She called the Jacksonville Journal first.
Yeah.
Because I think she knew that it would get like a lot of attention and then that would
help scientists come and look at it.
Okay.
Okay.
I think that's what she's thinking.
So someone, a representative from the Jacksonville Journal paper, he arrives at the door and...
His day is about to be so made.
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Yeah.
Because I heard he showed up and he's like, show me the sphere.
I don't wear the ball.
He's like, it's Friday at 4 p.m.
I don't want to go home.
Right.
He's low man on the totem pole.
Yeah.
He was assigned this report to make.
Yikes.
So Jerry greets him at the door and says, you're not going to believe this until you see it.
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And she puts the ball down in front of him and it rolls forward and then it stops and
doesn't do anything.
And the reporter's looking at Jerry and Jerry says, just wait.
She's like, just wait a second.
And then about a minute later, the ball turns, rolls another direction, stops, turns, rolls
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another direction, stops, turns, and then makes an arc and rolls back to in front of
the journalist's feet.
Yep.
Yeah.
And in 1974, that would have been, that guy would need a new pair of pants.
Yikes.
That'd be amazing to see.
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Amazing.
Yeah.
Amazing.
But then as a reporter, what questions do you even ask?
Yeah, I don't know.
Where did you find it?
There's an article on it.
Yeah.
How long have you had it?
And that's the extent of what I have to ask because everything else I want to know is
not explainable.
Yeah.
That's cool.
It is cool.
And, but I think that if it happened to us now, I'd be like, okay, who's got the zero?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where's the iPad?
Who's the square's the square on there?
There's the BB-8.
Yeah.
I don't know if you've got the technology in that.
Yep.
But yeah, at the time it was crazy.
So, so more journalists come after this article.
Sure.
Like Florida Times, the local TV news, the radio, it even gets international attention
for news stations.
Really?
Yeah.
Because in the 70s, four in this time, there was a lot of like UFO reports.
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Yeah.
And we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Yeah.
And then we had, yeah.
So we landed on the moon and there was a lot of space race stuff.
Like, it was, yeah.
Yeah.
So it was getting a lot of attention.
And all of these reporters and Star Wars movies started happening.
Oh my gosh.
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The Star Wars movies came in 77, right?
I thought, yes.
Yes.
Because I wasn't born in it, but my husband was.
Yes.
I believe so.
Yeah.
Okay.
So these news stations, they help arrange tests with scientific institutions.
And Jerry stays with the ball the whole time.
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Smart.
This is important because she's a smart, I think she's really, truly a smart person and
they're very successful people.
They're not like trying to make money off this.
And she wants to know what it is and she's not letting it out of her sight.
So they arranged these tests with scientific institutions like the University of Florida
and they do much tests.
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And the tests reveal that the sphere is emitting an electromagnetic field and was magnetized.
I don't really know what an electromagnetic field is though.
So that's what like an EMF detector, that's what that's detecting.
So anything that puts out electricity, like you can an EMF detector around any of this
equipment right now would be going off.
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So it's producing its own electricity essentially.
So somewhere in on or around it, electricity is being generated.
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That doesn't just happen.
No.
Oh, and I forgot to mention this.
The ball is, there's no seams on it and there's no point of entry.
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Like when you make a ball, there's usually like a welding seam, right?
To put pieces together or there's a hole like a pinata.
Right.
Then you plug up the hole later.
This sphere has none of that.
It's just solid.
Yeah.
Do they start drilling into it and stuff?
They tried like, they did like heat tests and pressure tests with how much weight it
could carry and they like maxed out the pressure tests they were doing.
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Yeah.
They couldn't crush it.
They couldn't crush it and they determined, but all the scientists thought that it was
like stainless steel manmade, but they didn't know what it was.
Everyone's like, this is weird.
But they thought it was of the earth.
Because stainless steel, you can crush.
I don't know.
If your ball is thick enough, wouldn't, I don't know.
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I'm not a scientist, so I, but I'm thinking if your ball is thick enough, the thicker
it is, the more pressure it can handle.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
It's like a lot of steel.
So steel is heavy.
So if it were solid steel, it'd be more than 22 pounds if it's bigger than about the size
of a bowling ball.
Yeah.
And it's not solid.
We're going to find that out soon.
Okay.
Yeah.
So then that's mysterious that they couldn't crush it.
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I know.
Or pop it.
Can you pop a metal ball?
No.
Crack, crack it.
Sure.
Interesting.
Okay.
What else you got for me?
This is wild.
You like it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want one of these.
I want one too.
I want to find one.
I want one too.
Right?
This is a really big story at the time.
The National Enquirer was offering like tons of money, like 10,000, 50,000, no to like have
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proof, definitive proof of aliens.
Oh, okay.
And I know the National Enquirer, like we kind of giggle about that.
It's a joke.
It's a joke.
It's got Batboy and all those weird things.
But in 1974, there weren't a lot of publications that were actually researching weird stuff.
Okay.
So the National Enquirer, as silly as it sounds, they did have connections with really reputable
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scientists.
Okay.
So they, yeah.
And then at some point they lost their way.
Yeah.
So I think they lost their reputation.
But at the time, they made, they had a panel with five experts on it, like really qualified
people.
Okay.
And the panel was in New Orleans and they had Jay Allen Hineck, who was a Northwestern
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University Astronomy Professor, and he was the best known ufologist at the time.
And they had Dr. James Harder, who was a research research director of the aerial phenomena research
organization in Berkeley, California.
Oh, heard of it.
Yeah.
They've got like real doctors.
They've got doctors and professors on this panel, and they invite the bets to come and
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be a part of that panel.
And I'm going to show you a picture.
This is Terry.
Oh, wow.
Terry, that's a mustache.
He would be played by Paul Rudd in the movie.
Yes.
That is, it is perfectly spherical and smooth.
But 100% that's Paul Rudd in another light.
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I think he's a cutie.
Like for the 70s, I think he's like, he looks like a rock star.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's got great eyebrows and great hair, but that's definitely a shiny silver metal
ball.
So he takes it to this panel and the panelists are inspecting it.
Because if they get the blue ribbon or whatever, they get all the money.
But I'm not sure they're really there for the money.
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I think they're like really trying.
They really want to know.
They're really genuinely curious.
It's like us.
Money's not going to hurt, but.
Yeah.
We were after the proof.
So they didn't get the prize because they know.
Didn't somebody else have something more convincing?
I don't know if anybody got it.
Because it had to be proof, definitive proof of aliens.
And they decided the ball was cool, but it wasn't proof.
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It could have been manned.
Yeah.
I guess.
Yeah.
It starts to get weird though.
People want this ball at this point because it's really popular.
So people are coming out of the woodwork to try and claim the ball or get the ball.
Yeah.
Of course they are.
It was mine.
Yeah.
Some guy.
I knew I lost it somewhere.
That's what some guy calls and he's like, I lost my collection of balls.
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It's not a puppy.
I lost my collection of balls.
I was driving my Volkswagen down the freeway and it fell off the roof.
A, it was nowhere near the highway and B, he had no way to prove that.
No.
No.
Where's your receipts buddy?
Yeah.
And why would you have it strapped to the rounded roof of a Volkswagen?
(27:16):
I didn't think of that but you're right.
Why would you put a spear?
Why would you tie a spear to the top of your rounded roof?
Yeah.
Again, not a geometry wizard, but I do know that seems unwind.
You are a genius actually.
I love it.
Amanda said so.
That's my definitive proof.
All right.
So, and then people came by the house.
They were getting a lot of attention at the house and people were trying to buy it for
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like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
They were making really big offers.
The US Navy gets involved.
The US Navy offers to test it for safety.
Right?
And they're like, let's make sure it's not a missile.
Let's make sure it's not a bomb.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Jerry was, Jerry the mom, she's very like controlling protective of this ball and she
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wasn't feeling great about them taking it.
Yeah, no, no, don't give it to the Navy.
Feeling super trust.
She did want to know if it was a bomber.
Sure, sure.
Well, yeah.
But it seems like we're a little past that Jerry.
Yeah.
If it was going to destroy your family, it would have done so by now.
Yeah.
They had negotiations and the Navy convinced her to let them take it for tests, but they
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promised her that they would bring it back.
All lies.
Yeah.
So I already know there's no way they're giving that thing back.
Yeah.
This is why things start to get a little bit weird and I'm going to go into the weirdness
a little bit.
But if you want like the full story with interviews with the family members and everything, I'm
going to recommend my favorite podcast.
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Oh, okay.
The Astonishing Legends, they have four episodes each three hours.
They've got interviews with the Beds family.
That's so crazy.
Listen, they're doing it.
Yeah.
They're doing the podcast thing.
We're like...
We're dabblers.
We're dabblers.
You like listen to us and we send you to Astonishing Legends.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They give us nothing.
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But I love them.
I love them so much.
All right.
So they take, then US Navy takes the ball for testing and they came back with like a
report.
They did return the ball by the way.
Was it the same ball?
They returned?
Was the ball changed?
They returned the ball with a Manila envelope that had X-rays inside.
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Yeah.
And I'm going to show you the X-rays in a minute, but this is what they said.
So their statement was, it's not explosive, you don't need to worry about it.
They said it was a ball bearing.
No, it's not.
Get out of here.
And they said it only moved because the Betsy's house was old and had uneven stone floors.
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The government treats us like we're stupid.
She had, did they miss the part where the dudes from Berkeley rested it?
Right.
And the other guy who's like the leading ufologist and astronomer, you didn't think they'd go,
well, let's just see if there's a slope in your living room.
Right.
They would have thought of that.
Idiots.
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They treat us like we're idiots.
They're the idiots.
And what kind of slope stops the ball, turns it, moves it, gives it an arc?
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just a perpetual motion.
Oh, but by the way, everyone's going to stop it completely and start it from nothing.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They also said that they didn't have the ability to x-ray it and they wanted it back so they
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could send it to a better facility with a better x-ray.
So they said they didn't have the ability to x-ray it, but they sent x-rays when they
returned it.
So here's the thing.
The guy that returned it, the military representative that brought the ball and the middle envelope,
was apparently like this really young, almost like a career.
Okay.
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So Jerry or someone in the family felt like they made a mistake.
They returned the ball.
They actually returned the ball.
And the x-rays that they said they didn't have.
And they weren't supposed to give the x-rays.
And maybe they weren't supposed to.
So Jerry did get the ball back though.
Yeah.
And some bonus x-rays.
What's in the x-rays?
Are you ready?
Yeah.
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I'll show you.
It's one of those worms from the labyrinth.
Oh my gosh, that'd be so cool.
That's what I pictured inside.
There's three of those because you said it when it hits the side.
Come on, tell me.
Meet the Mrs. So cute.
That'd be amazing.
I want to find that ball.
I'm going to show you the x-ray and you can tell everybody what you'll see.
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Weird.
So, interesting.
It looks like when you like candle an egg.
And there are three at the very center.
Shades of gray.
Because it's hollow inside.
Or there's like layers of a gobstop or something.
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Yeah.
It kind of looks like layers.
It looks like a super fuzzy blurred out picture of an eyeball.
And at the very center of what would be the iris.
Is that the color part?
I don't remember if that's the color.
I never remember.
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But it's got three little pupils.
Yeah, there's three different sizes.
At least two sizes.
I think it's three sizes.
A larger, a significantly smaller, and then one that's either the same size as that or
just a fraction of a bit smaller.
And they're all kind of on this right in the center of the mass and a little diagonal
about, I don't know, centimeter.
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In the size of this picture, which is like 8 1⁄2 by 11 piece of paper, it's like, it
looks like they're about a centimeter apart.
They're in a straight line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Three things.
Three things.
Remember, Jerry said when she shook it, she thought there were three little balls inside.
Looks like there's three little balls inside.
But the middle one, they speculate.
So the one in the very middle is kind of fuzzy, like something like it's not right.
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Like they think maybe whatever this was is broken and it has something to do with that
thing in the middle.
So if this is that same object that we've been seeing in the military videos that can
fly, maybe this one's broken.
And that's why it's just chilling on the floor or floor.
Maybe.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
I make everything up, but it sounds good to me.
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There's also, this is really hard to see.
There's some other pictures online that highlight, change the lighting and stuff, but there is
a straight metal wire coming out of that central sphere.
Can you see it?
Kind of.
It's not really subtle, but there's just like a straight, I can't see it at this angle.
There's a straight metal line or metal wire just coming out.
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Interesting.
Okay.
I know.
But why is it moving around independently?
I don't know.
And does that look, could that possibly be gyroscopy?
What you're seeing in here?
I mean, maybe, but also the gyroscope, like the gyroscope within our iPads and cell phones,
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it works when we tilt it.
So it's, it is moved by a force upon it.
If there is a gyroscope inside of this metal ball that had no robotics attached to it,
no remote control, it wouldn't just go without a force upon it.
Like could there be something inside now?
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A motor or something?
Yeah, but that technology at that time, I don't think existed.
And you're not seeing anything on the X-rays that would indicate any kind of engine, motor,
computer, that computers that, you know, at this time, the dawn of the computer, but not
that small.
Yeah.
I mean, computers that time were still taking up entire rooms.
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Ha, that's true.
That's true.
I mean, this is amazing, whatever it is.
Okay.
But they still couldn't get into it.
They can't drill into it and crack it open.
And that's, that's the most mysterious part of it to me, is that they couldn't get inside
of it.
Right.
Right.
There was nothing that could penetrate that.
I mean, we have stuff that can drill into all kinds of gemstones and rock and geology
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of all kinds, but they couldn't get into that.
So it's some sort of alloy.
So it's a mixed metal of some kind.
Could you shave it down eventually?
Like you could shave it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would tell like it's, it's penetrable.
I would assume the Navy would have tried that, right?
I think so, but-
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Wouldn't you try to puncture it?
As soon as you figured out it's not explosive.
Yeah.
I'd be drilling into it.
I really don't know.
Is the Navy like our scientific head of our military?
I don't know what the Navy would have.
I don't know who would have a lot of technology, but I was thinking more like CIA, FBI, like
I don't know that Navy.
I think they all have.
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Some testing equipment.
Yeah.
I think that's good enough to learn more.
Remember it's not an educational podcast.
Nope.
Unless you educate us.
Educate us.
So tell us how that works.
Okay.
So the family is starting to get paranoid now because they had that weird experience
with the military saying we don't, we can't do X-rays.
We want it back.
But yet here it is.
(36:29):
Yeah.
And astonishing legends goes in a way better detail about this, but Jerry thinks that her
home is wire tapped.
She has some weird incidents where she thinks like they're tapping her.
They're strange official people like coming around to the house and poking around like
men in suits, men in black.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Like weird stuff's happening and she's starting to get kind of.
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Time to move.
Yeah.
And she's continuing to take it around and like get it like looked at and tested and
showed it off by people and she's getting a lot of attention.
But at some point, Lindsay, it happened.
You got stolen.
The ball was out of her sight for something for someone testing or something.
She let it out for a second.
And she got it back.
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But after getting it back from this incident, it never moved.
She claims it never moved again.
They killed it.
I don't know.
Maybe someone swapped it with a replica.
Maybe someone killed it, destroyed whatever was inside.
I bet they swapped it.
Did she ever have the replica X-rayed?
She says that she was going to X-ray it on her own.
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Yeah.
And I can't remember if she did or not.
But they kind of dropped out of the public eye at this point.
Sure, I probably would too.
And I have a theory and I could be totally wrong.
But I wonder if she made up the story about it not moving again to get to just be done
with it, to just be done with all the attention.
(37:53):
Yeah.
Not a bad idea.
Yeah.
And the creepiness, the creepiness, right?
Like people are coming around her house and she thinks her phone's tapped and they
ended up moving.
But I'm sad that the creepiest part of the story is the human intrusion.
Not this mysterious potentially alien object that could have been a bomb.
(38:15):
None of that.
She was not creeped out or bothered by any of that.
Human beings invading her privacy, invading her space, being shifty, shiesty weirdos.
That's where she got upset.
Shame on them.
Yeah.
Man, that sucks.
People just want answers.
(38:36):
Let's just be straight up honest, man.
You don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Why do you have to be shifty and shady?
Just say, hey, if there was one of those things in the woods, we'd love to know if there's
more.
Yeah.
If we know this is your personal property, could we pay you to come out here and bring
some equipment and do some tech?
(38:56):
Just be on the up and up.
Yeah.
Treat people with dignity and respect.
It's not hard.
I know.
I'm going to be amazed what you get back for it.
The only thing I can think of is, I do believe that our military should keep some secrets
from the public for safety.
Sure.
But I always feel a lot of the time with these stories, I'm like, why can't we know
(39:18):
that?
Just tell us.
Right.
Can't we know what this ball does?
Right.
What it is.
If it's not dangerous, if it's not really a secret, secret, secret, security secret.
I don't know.
But they moved.
The family moved.
And nobody knows where the sphere is now.
It's either with the family or they have a replica and the originals with someone else.
(39:41):
But it hasn't popped up again.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And that was in the 70s.
So I wonder if any of them are still alive.
The kids, grandkids, whatever, future generations.
Yeah.
Well, the family just did an interview with Astonishing Legends a few years ago, but
they said it was their last interview because they trusted those guys.
Those guys do really good research and reporting.
They were like, we'll do one last interview with you guys and then we're done.
(40:04):
Fair enough.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I'm sorry, Beth's family for the intrusion and invasion.
And I really applaud your tenacity and trying to figure it out.
Yeah.
I'm glad everybody seemed to be okay.
Not that nobody was hurt by it, but at least by that thing.
But I'm sorry for the yuckiness that came with it after.
Me too.
(40:25):
Like right at the end, it seems like there was a lot of yuckiness at the end for them.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't believe that beautiful house and that property and...
Yeah.
Plain.
Mm-hmm.
But I still want to know what it is.
And I want to know if it's related to those things that are floating around that they're
catching on camera.
Yeah.
Could be.
That's the end of the story, Lens.
Hmm.
(40:45):
I don't know.
So if you found something like that, what would you do?
Would you just be like, that's freaking weird.
Would you turn it in?
Who would you tell?
Like, besides me, obviously, I would tell you.
But would you go to the police?
I don't think I'd go to the police.
I don't think I'd go to the news either.
But I do think I'd take it to scientists.
I think I'd go to the University of Washington.
(41:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Start there.
Yeah.
Like a local scientist that you can kind of trust.
Yeah.
There is like the money element too though.
Like scientists don't just work for free, I'm assuming.
Sure, sure, sure.
They have to have funding.
They have to have funding to do the tests to find out what it is for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why a lot of these experiments just stop before you want to know what the
(41:32):
answer is.
Maybe it's funding.
It could be.
Although, I don't know, I think it was a lot of people who have access to labs and things
that would just run a quick test or do this or that and not even don't ask, don't tell
a kind of thing.
Yeah.
I wonder if you could do like an MRI on it.
(41:54):
No, you couldn't because that's a massive one.
It's a magnet.
Yeah.
So just X-rays are the only way to look inside.
Unless you can figure out a way to drill or shave it down like you said or I don't know.
If you guys have any ideas on how to get into a chunk of metal like that, I'd love to know.
Yeah.
Huh.
Right.
(42:14):
Should we do homework?
Yeah, what do you got?
Nothing.
It's a free week everybody.
Yes, yes.
It's finals week.
You're off the hook.
No, I'm sure I'll sign it.
No, I have a homework.
Send a link of the podcast to anybody.
We're on YouTube now.
Yeah.
We just started like posting on YouTube too.
So we're pretty accessible.
Yeah.
Just share it with.
(42:34):
Share it with somebody.
One other person.
Yeah.
Like just post the link on your socials if you feel confident enough to do that or send
it to one other person.
If you've enjoyed any of what we're doing, just share it with one other person who might
also enjoy it.
And that's it.
Thanks for listening.
Yeah.
Class dismissed.
And don't open the door.
Stop open the door.
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