Reconnecting with Purpose: How to Recharge Your Life's Battery

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Tim Jack Adams, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
To the Paul, thanks for the invitation.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Pleasure to have you on here.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
I think we are very aligned in our approach, having
having had a good look through your book, energized and
having just done a battery check actually with your app.
And I think there's going to be lots of violent agreement.
But just give our listeners a little bit of a

(00:36):
flavor of your background and without I'm not even going
to preface it. Just tell them a little bit about
your background and how you got to where you are, no,
and then we'll jump into.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It perfect Paul. So probably a little bit different from
most you know on this kind of trail. But I
started off in the as a dive master, so back
when I was twenty one years old, made you know,
I did the world, you know, the well worn track
of going overseas, working London, you know, flying around Europe
and Asia and living in all sorts of different places.

(01:07):
And when I came back to the Gold Coast, I
had sort of you know, dreadlocks halfway down my back
and if you can imagine that now, probably the best
looking I'd ever been, to be honest, mate, And once
I cut them off, all the girls left. But when
I was twenty one, mate, I actually became a dive
master or I was doing my dive master training and

(01:29):
this was through Kira Dive on the Gold Coast and
I was just an absolute froth monster when it comes
to water. My whole life's been spent in the water.
And so as I was doing my dive master's course,
all the way through, there was two guys that meant
a lot to me. One was Rudy, he was a
Fijian dive instructor and the other one was Mal and
Mail was my skipper. And so the whole way through
on learning how to do my coxin's and how to

(01:49):
become a dive master. And so these boys pretty much
every single day of my life, you know, we'd be
hanging out with these gens, having beers, taking people out diving,
and you know, life was amazing. Man. That happened for
about five five years, and in two thousand and nine
I started up a company called Watersports Grea and this
was just for my love of the ocean, you know,
wanted to take people on great adventures and not just

(02:10):
scuba diving, but snorkeling with turtles and padder body and
kayaking made anything to really get people to reconnect back
to nature, and I took Mal with me. So Mal
and I started the snorkel with the turtles, you know,
tours and look, to be honest, A, my life was
just absolutely pitchure perfect. You know, we'd catch up at
eight o'clock in the morning, we'd gear up our customers,

(02:31):
we'd go for a beautiful fifteen minute boat ride past Fingle,
hanging out with our little inshored bottlenosed dolphins and basically
spend the next couple of hours, mate, just hanging out
with turtles and whoabie gongs and every now and again
we'd see manna rays and Mate, we did this for
years and years, and you know we come back to
the boat house and have a beer and a good
old conversation and Mate, you know I thought, I honestly

(02:54):
thought Mal was one of the happiest blokes over you.
And he was about ten years my senior. And you know,
one day we're having too he is new on the
you know, the boat house and customers had left, and
you know his two kids were running around Max in
Indy and as always, Mate, see tomorrow mail yep, Timbo,
see tomorrow same time, same place, and Mate, he took
his life that night and really the same place I

(03:17):
left him, Mate, the exact same place I left him.
And here I was made thinking this, this bloke's the
happiest guy that I knew. I just wanted to be
just like him. And yeah, it shocked our world. You know,
it's all of our friends. No one saw it coming.
There was no note and Mate, that was you know,
that was probably almost a decade ago now that that happened.

(03:38):
And look, I've got five brothers. We're fucking useless at
talking about emotional intelligence. It took me till the age
of thirty I'm forty three now to realize I've actually
got a heart. I didn't know what that thing was
in my chest that was pumping mate online yours keep
me alive. And though you could use it to be
empathetic and emotional and all of those things. So there

(03:59):
was two two contrast stark contrasts that happened to how
I got to be on this podcast. One was that
that was a big shift in my life on how
to understand to get guys to open up. You know,
I'd had a brother in and out of rehabs for
ten years. I've had a couple other mates, you know,
take their lives around me. The other thing that happened
at the same time, around twenty twelve was I was

(04:21):
sitting under you know, this red ten. It was a
three by three meter of red ten, hiring out paddleboards
and kayakes on cutch and creek and it's just one
of those glorious days, you know. The crystal clear water
was coming in from the Pacific Ocean. People were frolicking
and pondering and having fun. And I just got this,
this simple question just popped into my head, and it says,
why is it when we actively engage in nature do
we seem to be healthier and happier? And that one

(04:44):
simple question just kept ruminating inside of my brain. And
the first first thing I looked up came up with
green exercise. So, you know, University of Sussex, you've got
Jewels Pretty, doctor Jewels Pretty and his team there. They
sent me all of his white paper research. I'm pretty
sure it was just him and his mum and me
reading it. And I just became fascinated that as it's

(05:06):
always the way with white papers.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Now and yeah, mate, this was twelve years ago this started,
and I've just been absolutely obsessed Paul since on what
happens when we actively engage in nature? How do we
measure well being? How do we get blokes to open up?
I mean, mate, I think a part of it too was,
you know, my wife would say that everything that I'm
creating and designing is to heal my wounds. I had

(05:30):
an interesting childhood. It was quite traumatic, and I think
instead of spending thousands of dollars on psychiologists and all
the rest of it made I'm probably just trying to
work throughout myself and creating all these frameworks for me
to try and heal myself. And you know, it's at
the same time I'm doing it for other people. So
deep down, mate, I think I'm just trying to heal
myself and the people that you left this life far

(05:51):
too early, and using science and nature and practical implementation
has kind of led me on this twelve year journey, which,
to be honest, I'd always thought I just see by
creak and high pattible, it's my whole life.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, But and here you are working in the wellness space.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Now there's stuff in your book energized that made me
set up and take notice, right, statistics, I'm going to
read them out.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
This is out of your book.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
The following quick statistics provided by Sphinx horrified me. Out
of every one hundred Australians by the aids of sixty five,
twenty seven will be dead. Sixty eight percent will be yeah,
twenty seven will be dead. Out of one hundred, sixty
eight percent will be fat, flat broke. Fifty percent will
have suffered a relationship breakdown, fifty percent will have suffered

(06:36):
poer mental health, eighty two percent will have a chronic illness.
That is pretty scurry reading, isn't it for an advanced
economy like Australia. And you know, I've written a book
called Death by Comfort about how our modern environment.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Is making us sick and diseased. And it's really.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Interesting going through your book, like we are so aligned
in terms of the interventions and the breadth of interventions.
And you've got this quite a cool little concept about
your personal battery. And I just did a personal battery
assessment before we come on. And you use that metaphor

(07:22):
throughout the book.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
So what when in your life did you realize that
yours was dreaming or getting a little bit flat.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, we'll just call it shites cool. Yeah, mate. The
first time I think, look, let's just go let's go
right back right when. I remember being a kid, and
I was a really happy kid, you know, and I
was one of those kids where my mom said I
was always hugging people. I was always smile and always happy.

(07:52):
And I think, you know, if you think about most boys,
you know, when they're growing up. I've got a four
year old boy, mate, They're nurturing, right, They just want hugs,
they just want to play. They you know, they're so vulnerable.
And I was like that. And then when my mum married,
we had, you know, three boys on our side and
four boys on Chief Cyber call him Chief because he
never talked ex football players, you know, you know the type.

(08:14):
And I remember from pretty much the day that we
moved into that little three bedroom shack, you know, it
was three bedroom, six boys. Mate. You know, we're low
socio economic and all of a sudden, Mate, I put
a wall up because I realized that being meek, mild
and smiley and happy, mate would just get me a
punch in the face from everybody else, right, because I

(08:37):
was it was survival of the fitter. She put six
boys in one household, and my name was Poker because
I'm little. I'm six foot and I'm tiny, mate like
my little brother six foot and so yeah, yeah, we're
a big family of boys. And I remember going to
my mum when I was twelve years old and I said, Mom,
you know, I was crying and I said, look, Mom,
I don't I don't know how to stop the boys

(08:58):
from picking on me. And she said, look, Poko, all
you got to do is just stop crying, right, stop showing,
stop showing your emotions, shop showing that you're vulnerable, and
they'll leave you alone, they'll stop picking on you. And
at the time, it was the most perfect advice you
could have given me, because I did. I stopped crying.
I you know, learned how to box. I toughened up.
I was sarcastic as hell. I was cheeky, little shit,

(09:20):
you know I was. I was. I became one of
the boys. And you know, pretty much from the age
of twelve, I remember, until the age of twenty six month,
I didn't even cry, not once. So I just bottled
it up. All my anger went out in the boxing
ring and basically it wasn't until you know, I was
thirty two, mate, that I found that I actually had
a heart when you know, I met a very special girl.

(09:42):
I called it an earth angel back then, mate, because
somehow she found a heart that was very deep and concrete.
And you know, so the battery check for me, and
how it came about was because every time I'd ask
a made of mine or anybody, how you doing, they'd
always be like made good, yep, good, life's great good.

(10:03):
And I was like, fuck this, mate, because I've already
lost three blokes suicide and they all said they were fine,
and how the hell do you get them to open up?
So when Mao took his life, we went back to
the drawing board. We're already doing you know, these seven
tools of Green exercise. But what we'd realized, Paul, is
that Mate, no one really knew what the hell well
being was, especially as blokes. I actually thought well being

(10:24):
was going to a day spar and getting nails done.
That's literally what I thought well being was, mate, in
my before before I got into this twelve years ago,
like no one talked about well being in you know,
in my neighborhood. And so anyway, when we finally realize that,
you know, well being is quite simple. Like basically, the

(10:44):
best definition I heard of what well being was from
a sixteen year old Grommy that I'm working with surfing
Australia at the moment, and she goes, oh, yeah, Timmy,
isn't that just like being well and stuff? And I
was like, mate, this six year old girl nailed it,
Like I've been doing this all over the world for
so many year years and being well was probably the
best definition of well being right. And my thing was,

(11:06):
how the hell do we make it simple? Right? How
do we even talk about it? So when we looked
at the battery, we realize that you've got purpose, you know,
you actually need to know why you want to look
after yourself and be the best version of you. You've
got sleep, which is self explanatory looking at physical health, nutrition,
your mindset. Fun. We put fun in there, mate, because
all the research around fun and mental health is huge.

(11:28):
And I'll been measuring astray as well being now for
seven years and fun has been the lowest consistently over
seven years. And then obviously make friendships and relationships which
I don't think you know, you know, we don't talk
about enough and the importance of warmth of relationships. And
so when I realized that, you know, these eight areas
just make up you know, he your health and happiness
and long livity. I realize that you know, you can

(11:50):
just put these together in a simple app measure it.
You know, one to you know, one to ten, one
being low, ten being great, and within sixty seconds, mate
out pops a percentage and the way you have it,
and then you just share that with your mates and
they can keep an eye on you. You don't have
to you know, you don't have to be vulnerable. And
what I love about it is that you know it'll
tell you what you're low on. So I did mine

(12:10):
the other day. I've got two kids under for mates,
so you know, struggle with sleep every now and again
and catching up with the mates. And I did the
battery and it said I was lowing fun, friendships and
physical health. And within five minutes and man, one of
my mates said, right, Timmy Chukes, tomorrow morning, Friday, seven o'clock,
I'll bring the boys, let's get that battery recharged. And
I was like, oh, mate, I wish I had this

(12:30):
app around when you know, when those other lads took
their life because it's exactly the thing that I needed.
So it's it's just one of those simple concepts where
when you talk about how's your battery, you can measure
it right, and I think, you know, we start to
manage what we measure.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
That is really cool.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I am always a big fan of saying what gets
measured gets managed right.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
That's really key.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
So if you're not aware of it, you're just a
lot less likely to manage it. So I love that
idea of the battery. And actually, because I've created a
whole heap of surveys before around well being, and you know,
had one that was a fucking hundred questions long, and
then we cut it down to fifty questions because just

(13:14):
like you, I realized there's different components to it, right,
and our components were ever so slightly different.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
But what I like about yours is it's just how
do you think you're going?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Because actually, when you look at the research, right, the
best indicator of how good your sleep I was last
night is not your fucking apple watching, it's high rested,
you actually think, And yeah, and people just know how
their physical health is, you know, that is the best
indicator of someone's physical health is not the doctor's like

(13:46):
asking them how do they feel that their health is?
Because people know, right, But I love that idea of
having the battery and getting it up front and center
and then not being able to share with others is
really quite cope now when we did by interventions. So
you say in the book that we don't need to

(14:07):
reinvelp the will, We just need to realign with what
exists within us.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Right, So talk us through that philosophy. What do you
actually mean by that?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, I reckonte life has gotten so bloody busy these days,
we've actually forgotten what matters now. You know, most of
the people I work with the leadership teams, and you know,
I deal with a lot of CEOs, and I think
what happens, mate, is, you know, when we start out
in the workforce, we have all these good intentions of
following our dreams and our passions and our true north.

(14:40):
And what we end up doing, mate, is we end
up sort of following the money, right, not all of us.
But the problem is is that we and look, this
is a perfect example, and I'm going to give you
a story around this because I think it's really relevant.
When the Global Financial Crisis hit the GFC in two
thousand and eight. At that time, Mate, we had a
scuba diving cl I've called the WOOFS Club and we

(15:02):
called it the Warm Underwater Scuba Specialists. Now it was
the exact opposite was it was basically thirty hardcore divers
made that I'd take all over the world, you know,
doing wreck dives and cave dives and basically scaring the
shit out of them but keeping them safe. And one
of my favorite blokes, Gas, I called him my dive dad,
and he was a restaurant He was, you know, a
successful guy. Most of them were, Mate, They're all successful people,

(15:24):
and when the GFC hit, Mate, a lot of them
lost not only their finances but also their families, right
because it put so much effort into building their fortunes
that they're completely forgot about what matters most of their families.
And you know, Gas sort of sailed through it quite smoothly.
And I remember afterwards, I, you know, I had a
coffee with him. I said, Gas, how come, how come

(15:46):
you did so much better than the rest of these boys, Mate, Like,
you know, you've still got your family intact, You've still
got your fortune. What's going on here? Mate? Tell me
what I'm missing, he said, Timmy, one of the best
things I ever got told was to always live well
within your me And what is what he meant by
that was when you live well within your means, you're
always buying yourself time, right, because you're having the time

(16:10):
to do the things that you actually really want. So
in two thousand and eight, Mate, I've realized since then,
I've always bought things that I can easily afford, a
car that I can easily afford, a house that I
can easily afford. Because what it allows me to do, Mate,
is have a financial buffer that you know, whatever happens
with the bloody glot, you know, if COVID hits or
whatever else, I know that financially, Mate, I'm going to

(16:31):
be okay, and it allows me to live without freaking
out about the mortgage and everything else. Now, why does
that matter and why are we not doing it at
the moment. The reason why it matters is because when
you live well within your means, you're not working for
the dollar. You're working for yourself and you're doing the
things that you love. Now, Mate, we know from all

(16:53):
the statistics whether we're spending forty three hours of our
downtime on screen being spectators, now, which is scaring the
shit out. I mean forty three hours outside of work
being spectators. This is living for.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Someone forty three hours for forty three hours.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
A week outside of work.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's that's six hours a day, right, yeah, and I
love the what you call spector I talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
We are becoming passive participants.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Look, that's the line.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
We are passive, passive, passive observer, sorry, rather than active participants.
And it's like, as you will well know. And I
have not read a sing I've read a ship heap
of philosophy in my time. Not one fucking philosopher have
ever said that the purpose in life is to be
entertained by watching that fucking YouTube.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I love it. Mate. We are violently agreeable. So and
this is the thing, mate. We literally are now spending
all of our time cooped up in four walls spectating
on screens. And yes, this is what bothers me. Mate.
We we are god knows how many generations into the humankind. Right.
We have put people on the moon, we have created
a tomic energy. I mean, we have done some of

(18:04):
the most marvelous things using our brains and our brawn
and these fingers, and yet, for some bloody reason, after
thousands or millions of years, whatever you want to believe in,
we are literally stuck indoors on a fricking screen watching
other people's lives. And I'm thinking, what the fuck has
happened to human race when we can't even go and
live our own lives. Imagine the books, mate, that you're

(18:26):
going to hand down to your grandkids. Let's see here.
Oh yeah, grandpops. Just all he did was just spectate
other people's lives. I'm thinking, what a boring existence are
we turning into. It's doing my head in.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And you check any animal outside of their natural environment
and what happens to them?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
They get sick?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Mate, Free Willy. We just look at free Willie the
dorsal fit. The first one I thought about was free Willy.
We're going to live, Paul.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's just it's crazy. Let's talk about then, some of
the interventions. Now.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
The first one that I'm going to pick here is
a little bit. So you talk about the greenex seven
tools of green exercise and tools, movement, environment, earthing, time, connection,
breast reflection.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I mean, most people get.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Movement right, and you know you talk nutrition, they go, yea,
yea yeah, yea yeah, yeah. Let's talk about some slightly
left field ones earthing and the reason we had a
very quick chat before we get on because in my
new book, I just wrote a chapter and a big
chunk of it was on earthing and digging into the research.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like I used to think earthing was just harsh.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Harsh, absolutely fluff, but then.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
When you dig into the research, there's a bocket load
of science and a plausible mechanism. So talk to us
about earthing and what you do in workshops and all
sorts of things with people.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
So I think, look, there's two ways that I look
at earthing. One is obviously the science behind it. You know,
one of the best things that we can do for inflammation.
Inflammation sits at the core of all cronic disease and illness.
And from the latest research, I think we need around
twenty minutes a day, you know, shoes off, sand grass,
whatever it is. Now, that's the science. We know that
it harmonizes our body and all the things like that. Mate,

(20:24):
you probably know a lot more of being your background
than I do. But the reason why I love earthing
is because, like I was saying before, mate, we are
so caught up in our brains and our heads right
that I think we've forgotten that life has actually lived
in our heart space, and life has lived when we
actually feel and the moments that when I run these workshops,

(20:46):
and mate, look we run workshops, you know, we get
them out of the boardrooms and we get them back
onto the beach because we know the productivity and creativity
and all that, like you and I know this. But
what I love about it is, Mate, when you get
someone to take their shoes off and you get them
to put it on the beach, each of the water
or the Grassmate, all of a sudden they get out
of their heads, right, They get out of that concetant
thinking that you know, especially leaders are always in, and

(21:08):
they start to feel again, and they start to realize
that uh huh, right, this is this is where I
should be living more. And so it's almost like getting
your foot off the excelerator, you see, Mate, we're always
pumping the gas. So the idea is to take the
shoes off, put them in nature, take the foot off
the accelerator, and just let them be, Just stop bloody
doing and just let them be and mate. A great

(21:32):
example of this is I was doing a gig for Corts.
I took them off to an island in Hong Kong
for three days. There was thirty of their gms that
you know, sort of joined me and I got them
to I think it was day two. I got them
to all take their shoes off, and there was a
lady Mate it was thirty years since she'd actually had
her bare feet on the ground. Thirty years. Yeah, mate,

(21:54):
blew my mind, blew my mind. And I was thinking,
and Mate, she was, I swear she tears it up right,
and she's just like, wow, this is this is what
it feels like to feel. And I'm always trying to
get people to feel like you know, everyone asks you
to go do a keynote in a bloody you know,
stadium or boardrooms and come here, Timmy and come to
our office. I'm like, no, guys, if you really want

(22:16):
to create change, you know, if you really want to
think different, if you really want to change things up,
you come to me. Come into nature. Let's go to
a mindfulness and the mangroves on a powder board or
sit out the back on a surfboard or or think different,
feel different, do something different because that's going to get
you different results. And I just love I love the
aha moment when people go fuck. I actually think I've

(22:38):
been missing out on life right because I've been so
caught up in my head thinking what I thought what
life was about, which was, you know, the recognition of
being amazing at work and leading a team. I think
we've sort of forgotten that actually love is the key
aspect of what life is about. And you know, the
best love comes from family and friends.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
And the thing I wanted to mention on that is
that a lot of people, I think, confuse relaxation with recovery,
all right, And I will say to people like sitting
with your feet up and ale with a bottle of
wine watching Netflix after a hard days yaka, it's not recovery,

(23:24):
it's relaxation. Recovery is stuff that dampens down your sympathetic
nervous system and activates your parasympathetic nervous system. The rest,
digests recover and that earthing, spending times with friends, spending
time and nature has all been shown to massively activate
our parasympathetic nervous system because that's the environment we were

(23:47):
supposed to be in right, and when you dig into
it and you look at light and sunlight, and actually,
now the research is showing that light from the sun
actually has quantum effects on ourselves, which just completely fucking

(24:07):
spun me out when I got in into the whole
quantum biology of light.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like, as you said, we've been around homosappiens.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Two hundred thousand years, but you know, two million years
from our ancestors, all in the natural environment, and now
we have changed our environment to such an extent that
we are no longer matched to it.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So with somebody who's who is you know, maybe listening
to this and.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Going, Okay, the hell, I need to do something here,
because there's not much fun in my life. I'm just
busy all the time. I'm stressed. I'm running the kids
around in any minute i've got, and then when I
come back, all I've got is the energy to do
is just plunk in front of the TV and watch
a little bit of mindless TV, and that just helps

(24:56):
me to unwind. What would you say to these people, yeah,
and what are some of the concrete steps that they
could make to start to shift things and increase their
battery levels?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
The first thing I'd say, mate, is work out why
they're actually living life in the first place. What are
they're actually doing it all for? And you know, in
every workshop I do, when we dig into purpose, it
sounds a little bit fluffy, mate, but I call it
the rock and anchor. And most of it's done outdoors,
you know, whether it's on a beach and a forest
or somewhere like that. And what we do, mate, is

(25:30):
we get people to get out of their heads get
back into their heart through a really beautiful mindfulness breathing session. Right,
we do a gratitude practice, and that gratitude practice is
purely thinking about a beautiful memory, right that they've had,
whether it was last week, last year, a decade ago,
and the memory is something that lights them up right,
that makes their hearts sing, that brings them absolute joy

(25:52):
in their life. And what we do, mate, is from
that memory, right from reliving that. I asked them why
you do to be the best version of yourself? Like,
what are you actually doing this all for? And most
of the time is because you either want to be
a really good role model right to your kids or
to someone else you like, you want to be the

(26:12):
best version of you because you want to live life
to the best. Everyone has different answers for me right now,
because I'm a dad, I just want to be the
best role model I can. Now, you see, the thing
is right, if I ask a CEO, you know how
much you're living that purpose. So let's just say they
want to be the best role model for their family,
they want to spend time with their kids. And then
I say how much are you living that? And they're

(26:33):
working eighty hours a week, all right? And this is
where it comes back to getting caught up with the
things that you think life is about, but it's not
actually what you want your life to be about. But
there's so much noise going on in this world and expectations. Actually,
Paul the number one and you would know this, the
number one regretted the dying is I wish I lived
a life true to myself and not the one others

(26:55):
expected on me. And in those moments when I run
a purpose workshop, start remembering what their own expectations on
their own lives is and what they truly want. And
so when people say that, hey, Timmy, I don't have
time to look after myself, I'm like, first of all,
what the fuck are you even living for if you
can't even look after your own well being, Like, what's

(27:17):
it all for? Mate? If you can't look after yourself.
Number two, If you can't look after yourself, who's going
to look after you when you're sick, tired and can't
get out of bed from chronic fatigue? Because that happens
a lot, right, And I think that being leaders. And look,
most of my clients are leaders, and we don't like
to be helped. We're leaders for a reason because we
don't like to be told what to do. And we

(27:37):
feel like we're you know, we're self sufficient, we're reliable,
we're resilient. Where all of these things right, and then
one day with they're out of the blue. You know
you're getting tired, you know you sort of you've lost
your zest for life, all of a sudden, Mate, you
just can't get out of bed one day, It doesn't
matter what you try and do, Mate, you can't get
out of bed. Right, you're not going into work, you

(27:58):
can't help your family, and all of a sudden, Mate,
for the next month or three months or sometimes six months,
everyone's helping you, Mate, supporting you. And Mate, does that?
How does that make you feel. And so what I'm
trying to get people to understand is if we actually
just reconnect and recharge our batteries each and every day, right,
we don't go down that path, we actually start thriving sustainably.

(28:19):
And so what I would say for everyone that is
time poor, because mate, I get it. I've got three companies,
I've got two kids under four. I'm fucking really busy too.
But the thing is I prioritize my health and well
being above everything else. So I've created a life that
supports me and not one that I'm constantly having to
support that's constantly draining my batteries. So every single day, mate,

(28:41):
I combine those seven tools together, a movement, environment, earthing, time, connection, reflection,
and breath. I call it my rhythm and I basically
do that. And for me, it's just getting my kids out,
my labor door, my chocolate labyrid orku. You go, we
go for a walk around the block for thirty minutes,
we come back, we connect. There's no technology involved, you know. Lunchtime,
I'll just sit outside with the team, shoes off on

(29:02):
the grass, getting that vitamin D, which is the way
seventy percent vitamin d deficient in this country. And Mate,
at the end of the day, when my head hits
the pillow, I know I've done all the things I
need to do to recharge my batteries. And it's a
thirty minute process, Mate, it's plus a little bit for lunch. Now. Mate,
I've been thriving sustainably with that rhythm for ten years
now and it works. And the reason why it works

(29:24):
is because you're fueled by your passion and your purpose.
You're not fueled by money or anything else. You feel
by the thing that really lights you up inside. And Mate,
you can go hard when you're lit up with the
things inside. And like you said, mate, recovery is not
sitting in front of Netflix. It's sitting in a bloody
hammock in between trees and listening to some water. That's

(29:44):
what recovery is here.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Absolutely. It reminded me as you were talking about though.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
There's a famous Zen Cohen and that says that you
should sit and meditate for twenty minutes a day unless
you are too.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Busy, and and you should do it for a love
that one.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
And but for this to be because I think a
lot about this, right and I'm very aligned with you
in my workshops that I do a lot of stuff
on purpose, and I talk about a tombstone statement like
what would you like to be written on your tombstone
about the impact that you had in your little corner
of the universe.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, whether that's kids, family, whatever. Right.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
But for some people to get realigned, it requires some
really tough decisions, right, because we have to talk about
money in this I think we have to talk about money.
And you mentioned it earlier on about living well within
your means. I mean, the research shows that that money

(30:48):
can contribute to happiness to a certain point until you're
out of the poverty line, and then there's the law
of diminishing returns.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
But then Sanyo Lubernitski has done most of the reach.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
She's a happiness expert, and her research shows that money
brings you happiness when it's money in the bank, when
it's savings.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's not about your pay packet.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's about having money in the bank, which, to your point,
is about living within your means.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
And from that, some people need to make some really.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Tough decisions about Okay, Hell, I'm doing a job that's
earning me good amount of money, and I'm able, but
I need that because I've got an expensive house and
cars and holidays and all of that. And sometimes they
just have to go what needs to give here? Because
a lot of people say I can't do anything about it. Well,

(31:42):
fucking yes, you can do something about it. We have
the biggest houses in the world in Australia, right, and
it doesn't need to be that way. I know people
who have completely changed their jobs and downsized their house
and are so much happier.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And it's not for a lot of people. It's not
an easy thing. But I think that purpose thing is
so so critical because if.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
You don't think about, hey, why am I here? Why
am I existing? What is the purpose in all of this?
If you don't really really think about that and get
clear on that, then those decisions are going to be
too hard to me.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Can you just going to procrastinate? Right?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah? And I think, mate, what you're saying is what
is it that needs to give? And this is the
answer that now on especially blokes don't want to hear.
It's your ego, you know, That's that's what needs do
because mate, we all we all want to compare, right,
And look, I think I think whoever is in that
universe that you know. Back in two thousand and eight,

(32:46):
Gary Martin said to me, mate, live well within your means,
because look, we you know, we've got I remember buying
my little you know, my little shack. B God, it
was twelve years ago. Now is a two bedroom shack,
and you know we've had to renovate it now because
we've got two kids. And I went to the bank
and you know, I said, right, how much can I
borrow you guys, I'm I'm going to rip down and rebuild.

(33:06):
And I said, Timmy, we'll give you this much. And
I said, right, I'll take half. Because I knew that
if I went to the full extent, mate, I knew
that I would have to work my ass off to
pay that mortgage off. And so I decided to build
a house that was half the size of what I
could have afforded. But what that allows me to do
is that and I will put it this way, mate,
because I think this is a really good way of

(33:26):
doing it. Right now, I can work forty hours a week, right,
which allows me, you know, after all the things that
you do in your life, which is cleaning the house
and maintenance work and your chores and responsibilities that allows
me twenty hours of free time a week. Now, with
those twenty hours of free time a week, I do
things that reconnect me to myself, others, and nature, right,
and that's typically hanging out with friends and family doing

(33:49):
the things that I love. Now, if I went and
got a bigger mortgage, it probably would have taken up
another ten hours of my week. So now I'm up
to fifty hours, which now only leaves me ten hours
spare to reconnect to myself and others through nature, right,
the things that really light me up. Now, let's just say,
I go, oh, I'm not too happy with my prato

(34:10):
out the front. Maybe I need a one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars land cruiser. So I go and do that,
and then you know what, maybe I'm going to go
on a really amazing snow trip this year. All of
a sudden, Mate, I'm working sixty hours a week, right,
And what happens is that twenty hours that I had
is now zero hours. And so I've gone from living
well within my means and having twenty hours to do

(34:31):
the things that I love and keep the connections that
matter most to me, which is my family, because the
last thing I want to do is get a divorce, right.
And I still live in a beautiful house, I still
drive a nice comfortable car, and I don't stress out
about the money because I know, mate, it's there if
I need it, And I'm doing all the things that
light me up. And I think, mate, this I got

(34:52):
to tell you the story made because that happened really recently, Paul,
and this is what drove the nail home for me.
I was pad of boarding with a couple. There were
probably late fifties. He was a you know, a businessman,
a CEO worth of absolute fortune, and his wife and anyway,
he gone off and he was looking at some birds
and well paddling on Kingsliff Creek. And the wife turns

(35:14):
to me and she goes, hey, Timmy. She goes, mate,
I don't know. I don't know if he knows this,
but you know, we're going to get a divorce soon.
I was like, I was like, mate, okay, look, we're
going to talk about it. She goes, but I don't
know if he knows this, but he's also going to
lose fifty million dollars when it happens. And I was like, fuck,
I was like, and I was like, just tell me,

(35:34):
what's the reason she goes. Look, I've been trying to
get my husband to work ten hours less, you know,
a week for the last ten years. We have family,
you know, the boys are almost left home by now,
and for the last ten years, he he won't just
work sixty as a week. He just wants to keep
working seventy. He wants to build a fortune. And I
know why he's doing it's because he wants to provide
for us. But at the same time, Timmy, he's literally

(35:56):
going to lose fifty million dollars and his family and
I just don't I don't know if he really registers that.
And then the first thing that flicked in my mind
was thinking, well, maybe he does and he doesn't care.
But also, Mate, this is the thing. I think we
spend so much time building our fortunes right that we

(36:18):
forget that what we're not building up is the relationships
that are closest to us. And Mate, if if we
lose that connection with our wife, our partner, whoever it is,
and they take off, Mate, Like, that's seventy percent of
your fortune gone down the drain.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
And I think this is there's a really important two
points here. I interviewed Richard Laird. Professor Richard Laird on
the podcast who is the greatest well being researcher on
the feace of the planet right and has done You
should get him on Actually he would be in is
either in his seventies or is he eighties?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Happy to jump on.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Podcasts like He produces the reports for the United Nations
and the World Happiness Index stuff like that, So he,
more than anybody, has researched happy well what he called
subjective well being, because happiness is a friggin emotion and
it's a fleeting emotion, so subjective wellbeing. And his thing

(37:14):
was the biggest thing in subjective wellbeing is the quality
of your relationships, full stop. Not the amount of money
that you have, not the job you have, none of
those sorts of things. It is the quality of your relationships.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And loneliness.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
If you're lonely, it's and you probably know this, it's
as bad for your health as smoking twenty cigarettes a week.
But and particularly I think we need to highlight this
to the blokes because when divorces happen, what happens, blokes
tend to fer worse than females because a lot of them,

(37:52):
not everybody, and this this dynamic is notice changing slightly,
but a lot of them are so focused on growing
their career that most of the friendships are driven by
the wife right through taker and through mothers groups, and
then you know, the fathers then sort of hang out

(38:12):
whenever they come together. And then when there's a divorce,
the woman tends to maintain the friendships. And it's the
blokes who end up because often people choose and they
choose the other side, and blokes find that they end
up being lonely, and a lot of them commit suicide.

(38:32):
And particularly you know, my age is a very sensitive
age for this, because a shit heap of people get
divorced in their fifties right when the kids leave home.
Then they're standing looking at each other going fucking hell,
I don't think I actually like you.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
They end up a divorce, but a lot of blokes
are just like then they have.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
The existential crisis and they're lonely at the same time,
and their egos damage.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's a just as of trifector, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah? And this, Mate, it was interesting because I did
a keynote last week and Mate, look, most of my
keynotes with leaders. I did one for three hundred maintenance workers.
You know, these are the blokes that basically, you know,
mow the lawns for schools. And it was interesting, right
because these are the blokes that you know who these
are my dad's right, this is how I grew up.
And I was talking about well being and obviously, mate,

(39:25):
we don't use well being with those kind of blokes.
We just talk about stuff and you know, so they
so they listened, but made after the talk, I had
a lineup of these blokes and which I was not expecting.
I was sort of expecting them to just, you know,
go off to morning tea and that'll do it. And
there was a lineup of these blokes and I'll tell you, mate,
the problems that they had. I had one bloke who

(39:46):
had sixteen suicides around him in his peer group over
the last ten years. Sixteen suicides. Yep, one bloke And
he said, to be honest, Timmy, I think I'm net shit.
I think I'm and that's what we said. I think
I'm next.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
My.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I had another guy mate who just lost his super
three hundred thousand dollars in super everything he owned another
bloke who just had a divorce the love of his life.
Another bloke who was married to you know, a woman
who was married to a phone and just felt completely
lonely twenty four to seven around her. And mate, these
are all guys between the age of probably you know,

(40:20):
fifty and sixty five years old. And it made it
was it's sad in my heart. Like their batteries, overall
batteries were just dismal. And I realized, we've we've got
this problem, mate, Like there's a reason why you know,
women live longer than men because they talk about the problems,
right like that's their that's the way that they destress
and blokes we hold it in. And I think, you know, look,

(40:43):
my dad's generations, they're probably you know, they're hitting their
seventies now. They didn't open up, mate, They didn't talk
about all this kind of stuff. And I think this
generation we're getting better. You know, Like I'll say I
love you to my son, I'll give him a big heart.
And I never heard those words coming out of my
you know, my dad's I never heard the word I'm
proud of you. These are the things that we need
to open up and talk about. And I think what

(41:05):
we have to do is realize that, yeah, money's important,
and yes we want to be providers. And that's why
we do it, right, Paul, Like, we do this because
we want to be really good providers right where we
give them money and we transfer that money into the
things that we think our family needs. But then we
forget about the thing that they really actually want.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
And that is us.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
It is our time.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's time with you time.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And so we spend fifty sixty hours a week working, mate,
because we're trying to support our families. We're trying to
be the best husband and father we possibly can, unknowingly
realizing that we're giving them or we're sacrificing the thing
that they actually want from us, which is just being
present with our time. And I think going back to
your point about us being spectators, you know, us blokes,

(41:52):
we're watching cricket on the inside, you know, on this screen,
while our young fellows are out the back throwing a
ball against the wall all by themselves, waiting for dad
to come out and play with him. And I think
that that's what we forgot, mate. We're watching the cricket
on TV. Well, our boys are out the back waiting
for us to play with them.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
And I think this is becoming more of a family
problem these days, with more female participation in the work
place and more females and leadership roles, right, because I
know a lot of really successful, smart as smart as
females who are in on that treadmill, working sixty hours

(42:31):
a week, and some of them their husband is doing
the same thing, And I think, what the fuck is
happening with the kids?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, because to.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Your point, you cannot outsource the upbringing of your children, right.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
And I actually had Steve Biddolf on the podcast. Have
you interviewed him?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I have an interview with.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
H He's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
He wrote the book Raising Boys, which is a global
best seller two million plus copies.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And Steve Biddolf actually head on and I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
He said, if you are working sixty hours a week,
you cannot be a good parent.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I was like, fuck.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
And this is from the most eminent psychologist when it
comes to reaching children. And you know, that's where it
comes to these hard choices for a lot of people, Like,
we're not saying that this shit is easy, and particularly
if you're stuck in that where I've got the big house,
I've got the big mortgage, I've got the school fees
or whatever it might be. Jesus, you gotta make some

(43:32):
hard choices, like really hard choices. But it's got to
start with purpose, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I had to recay matter. And as you were talking,
I'm thinking about a lot of my clients and I'm thinking, God,
how would they ever, how would they ever make that
choice to sell, you know, that beautiful house on Millionaires
Road and down down grade that beautiful Mercedes into a Toyota.
And I just think, are they going to do it?
You know? And sometimes I feel like that almost rather

(43:57):
lose everything than lose that ego, right, And that's the
hard thing. I think. What I think. Look, we're trying
to get into schools at the moment, because this is where.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It starts, you know, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I just think, No, that's fine, Matt. Look I've got
three different dads, mate, Like I said, interesting childhood, and
it's really hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
There's a few that will learn, mate, But to be honest,
the generation that's above me, it's it's tough, mate. And
I think this generation coming through. Now, sure we can
make some change, but the real change is going to
come through our schooling system. If we can, if we

(44:32):
can teach our kids on how to actually live well
within their means and what real what? Okay, I'll tell
you the three things that matter more than anything else
for me, Paul, And this is everything that we do.
We base everything on. This is value, meaning, belonging. Right,
How do we create value, meaning and belonging within our lives?
And the reason why this is so important is because

(44:55):
it creates self worth, and self worth creates self love
and it's actually self that we need to want to
look after ourselves because Mate, as you know, we can
give everyone the tools and the tips and the tricks
to look after themselves, but if they don't have the
self worth, mate, and the self love to do that,
they're not going to do it. And Mate, by the
time that look, I was an abnomaly, mate, because the

(45:17):
way that I grew up, it was only by chance
that I met the right people in my right the
right people in my life at the right time. Was
the only reason why I moved in a positive direction
and not a negative right because I could be somewhere
completely mat, I might even be in the ground like
who bloody knows. But if we can teach students, mate,
how to create value meeting and belonging for themselves and others,

(45:38):
and what they actually value is not external but internal, right,
then we actually have a chance. Now we've literally just
created a platform based on that battery check where it's
going to start sending well being report cards out to
parents every single week. So as a parent, Mate, I'll
actually get a wellbeing report card and how my kid's going.
It takes them sixty seconds once a week and it

(46:00):
will literally tell me how my son's going or how
my daughter's going. So what's going to happen? And this
is what I love, mate, because you know, as parents,
we're so busy being busy that by the end of
the week we're exhausted. We get to the weekend and
we just we're busy doing sports, We're doing busy doing this,
busy doing that. But what we forget to ask is
you know, asking our kids, well, how are you guys going?

(46:22):
What do you actually need? Now? Kids will just go
I'm fine, just like my mate did. But when you
get a battery report, it says, oh wow, little Johnny's
really struggling with friendships. Last week friendships was ten and
now it's two. Now I know what conversation I need
to bring up. Or you know, his fund's really low.
Maybe I'm going to take him fishing. So what it's
doing is it's allowing parents to have a quick snapshot

(46:43):
on how what their kids actually need, so over that
weekend when they actually have some time, they're doing the
things that those kids actually need to recharge their batteries, right,
and then by the time they hit Monday again, hopefully
the kids recharged. You know, the parent feels good about
parenting and not just sticking them in front of an
iPad and they go, shit, you know what, I actually

(47:03):
improve the health and happiness of my child this week.
How fucking good does that feel? Right? They feel valued,
The kid feels valued. I feel seen, I feel heard,
which is the greatest you know words in English dictionary.
I see you and I hear you. And maybe we
can start to reverse this trend of loneliness and depression
and suicide and everything else that we're going through in

(47:25):
this supposedly lucky country mate that we're living in.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
To me, what what would you say?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
So think of your seven tools movement, environment, earthing, time, connection, breath,
and reflection, And is.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
There one or two of those that you struggle with
more than the others.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, so, mate, I think for me it's easy to combine,
you know, movement and out and the outdoors. Right you
just you know that's an easy one. You go for
a walk around your block, you go for a walk
in a park, in a beach. That's easy. Taking your
shoes off, mate.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
You know this is a two to it, barfoot, You've
got three, yep.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Exactly, you've got it. When we start talking about time,
you know, it's how much time do you actually need
to do these things? Now? We know from all the research, mate,
to get vitamin D, your shadows needs to be shorter
than you. We need about fifteen minutes a day because
we've got light skin. If you've got darker skin, you
need longer amount of times. You know, we know that
you need thirty minutes of walking a day. You know,
elevated heart rate. These are all the things we know.

(48:23):
So when we talk about time, we look at the
science and how much of these things we actually need
to do to get the right amount. But we also
talk about putting time in You know, you can't just
say I'm going to go for a walk tomorrow. What
you need to do is say, at six forty five am,
I'm going to take my family and we're going to
go a walk for around the block twice, which is
going to take us thirty minutes. Right, we need to

(48:43):
create this atomic habits thing, make it habitual. So you've
got movement, you've got environment, you've got earthing. Now you've
got time. Now connection, Ditch the phone and bring someone along. Mate.
Maybe it's just yourself. Maybe you actually need some downtime
just for you. Maybe you're so freaking busy with everything
else you actually need your own time. Or maybe you
need connection with your kids. Maybe it's a connection with

(49:04):
you know, your wife or your husband. Maybe it's just
with the dog. But connection is, as you know, mate,
is the number one predictor in life and happiness. Then
when we start talking about you know, breath, it's actually
just taking those moments to actually do some proper deep breaths. Right.
Two part breathing. Get it right into your guts, fill
up the guts, fill up the chest, get it out there.

(49:25):
Just spend ten nice, big deep breaths to change your
physiology right to actually stop and breathe and be and
at the same time when you're doing those breasts, Mate, reflection,
this is reflection is one of those things that you know.
Eckert totally said, awareness is the greatest agent for change.
The thing is, Mate, we're so busy being busy that

(49:47):
we actually stop and reflect on where we are right
now in our lives and what we actually need to
do to move forward in a positive direction. So for me, Mate,
I have, you know, a routine that I do for
thirty minutes a day, combines all of those in it,
and my reflection is just doing the battery. Like at
sixty seconds, I know exactly where I'm at. I share
it with my wife, I share it with a couple

(50:07):
of brothers, a couple of mates, and that's just a
good reflection to understand where I'm at, where my people
are at. And Mate, that's it. That's the rhythm that
I do every single day. And you know, I'll tell
you a funny story about this. It was so twenty
twelve I started researching all this right twenty fifteen, we
created the frameworking Now we're now using it globally and
we're working for all these large corporations. And one of

(50:29):
the indigenous elevelers in my community, Russell Logan, he's a
great bloke, and we're paddleboarding down the creek and anyway.
Rusk goes, so, you know, you know this green x
seven thing you're doing, hey, Bruhs. And I was like, yeah, Russ.
He goes, well, you know these seven tools. I was
like yeah, mate. He goes, you know your bloody stole
that from us, didn't you, mate? And I was like

(50:50):
and I was like, bullshit, mate, I spent years researching this.
He goes, no, no, no, Timmy, you're missing the point,
he said, mate, Us blackfellas have been doing these seven
tools since the big inning of time, he said. The
problem is to me now we need you to teach
it back to us because we've forgotten how to live
it a right. And I couldn't believe it, mate, because
I came home and I sat there and I looked

(51:11):
at him and I went, he's bloody right. Indigenous people
have been doing this since the beginning of time, right.
It's in bred, inness, mate. It's what we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to be active outside, connecting, living in communities, right,
The industry of less revolution fucked it for us, mate.
We took everyone from their communities, put us into factories

(51:32):
and everything's changed since. And so when I think about it,
I was like, man, maybe we actually need to go
living back to basics, right, living the way that we
used to live that was conducive for our mind, body
and souls.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
So what would you say me it too?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Let's peck a really difficult kiss, right, Not that somebody
who's worken sixty hours a week in a high pod
job and has got all of that.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
What about the single mom or single dad.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Who are who are struggling, right, who are just struggling
to get through day to day.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
You know, they've got kids they're looking after, they don't
have help.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Were do they actually start any tools or tips for them?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Honestly, Paul, I think just moving. I think the first
thing that you can do is just to start to
move your body. And Albert Einstein instead said, you know,
nothing happens until something moves. And when you're stuck in
that state, mate, it is really bloody hard to get motivated.
I get it, Like it's if you're stuck in that dark,
deep cave and you can't get out of your own
mind and your own brain, and you think that life

(52:36):
is just not worth living. I think if you can
just move your body, whether that's just starting for five
minutes walk a day, or you know, grabbing your dog
or anything like that, I think that's kind of where
it starts. Because we know the happy chemicals that are producers,
you know, the serotonins of bdnfs and all that sort
of thing. I think it starts with movement. After that,
I actually think it starts with finding someone you like

(52:59):
and spending more time with them. And this just could
be a friend, it could be a companion, it doesn't
matter who it is, mate, but taking that person along
with you, because what's going to happen is not only
a you going to move your body. Right if you're
having a conversation with someone and there's no phones attached,
there being one hundred percent present with you in the moment.
That is when you see, you see, you know, you

(53:21):
feel seen, and you feel heard, and that's what creates value.
And what that's going to do, like I was saying before, mate,
is that's going to want to make you keep walking.
Now we have these pack of cards that we created
so when mal took his life, we created these pack
of cards, and this is how we got the contract
with the Australian Defense Force because these pack of cards
make blots open up more than anything else I've ever seen.

(53:43):
It's like there's some magic in them. And on the
back of the time card, all it says is, you know,
for the next minute, all I want you to do
is set one intention that you're going to do for
the next hour. So take one minute right now and
set an intention of what you're going to do for
this next hour, mate, I remember set. Getting an email

(54:04):
is a very very long email from a lady that
has been stuck in deep, deep dark depression for a
very long time, and she found these cards through a
friend of a friend and she said, Tommy, that one
card has changed my life because I was stuck in
my house for two weeks straight. This time, I could
hardly get out of bed. I read that card and
she said, you know what, I'm just going to vacuum

(54:26):
my house. And so she grabbed her vacuum, Mate, and
for the next hour she just vacuumed her house. And
then once she finished that, she picked the card up again.
She goes right I'm going to wash the dishes. And sometimes, Mate,
when you're in a really, really dark space, you can't
think about the next day, right, You can't even think
about the next week, the next year, this, You can't
think about anything, mate, And people are saying, oh, you know,

(54:48):
come and mate, pull your socks up, like you know,
it's okay, Life's going to be fine. And you're like, mate,
I don't even know what I'm going to do for
the next fucking thirty minutes, let alone for the rest
of her life. And so what she did with that
one card is she moved her body, mate, And what
she did is created tiny, little micro tasks that made
her feel valued because she actually achieved something, no matter

(55:09):
how little it was made. Folding the washing, right, just
vacuuminting the house, going outside and gardening the weeds. It
was just one small intention after the next, after the next,
and Mate, that's all she did. She just kept that
card with her and whenever she went into a deep
dark place, she'd read that card and she'd go and
do something simple, which would then create momentum.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And then I love it. I love it because it
combines two things.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Right, is the movement actually moving your body is hugely important.
But having a task or something to do, and what
most people don't realize is that motivation follows action, not
the other way round. To say, so actually setting herself
a little goal and going and doing it and achieving something.

(55:57):
That's when the Brian Nan releases dealpum in so you
can take further actions.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
So absolutely love it. So Tim, look, this has been awesome.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
It should be energizing for lots of people who are
and maybe confronting in equal measure, but I think it's
an important conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
So the book is called Energized, the.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Daily Practice of Connected Leadership and Sustainable Wellbeing.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Where can people go to find more about you?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
About Green x seven program, Companies that want to bring
in as a speaker, want to access you? Up, can
individuals access the battery because it's a pretty cool little tool,
So just give us all of it most stick it
in the show notes.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, beautiful mate. Look, green x seven is our company.
You can just go to greenexseven dot com. You can
do the battery check on the website. I think we're
launching it August twenty six, you know, with the book launch,
and we're also going to be measuring live on TV, mate,
measuring astray as well being live in sixty seconds. So
the brilliant thing. Yeah, this is what I'm actually really

(57:06):
excited about, mate. Sorry for a diversion, but you know,
we're going to be able to literally measure you know,
your neighborhood, you know, gender, age, and we're going to
be able to pinpoint exactly what your neighborhood needs to
you know, thrive sustainably. And we're going to blueprint this, mate,
so using it for you know, taking thriving communities and
take that blueprint and put it onto communities that are

(57:27):
surviving or just functioning. So that's that's my big purpose
goal at the moment. So yeah, greenex seven dot com. Mate.
You know, I'm Tim Jack Adams. You can throw me
in on LinkedIn or whatever anything like that. I'm not
very good at the whole socials thing, mate, so you know, yeah,
I know, but I always tell people just to go
find me in nature. But yeah, look Greenex seven, you

(57:52):
know team Jack Adams made something like that. But to
be honest, mate, I just I think Maye and you
would know the same after all this research of doing
it for so long for me, ring people's batteries for
seven years. From everything that I've known, I think the
most important thing is, mate, is to ditch technologies just
for a little bit and just grab a friend and
go outside and play. I think that is probably the

(58:12):
most important thing that we can do as individuals, for
our families, for our teams, for our communities. Just go
back outside and play because that's where we belong, right
and that's what I want people to remember. Go have
some fun again, because Mate, there's not one scrap of
evidence to say that life should be taken seriously because
I've been looking for it and I can't find it.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
And on that awesome note, thank you very much for
your time, and thank you on behalf of the word
for the work that you're doing and trying to move
the needle because it's freaking important work and it's.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Becoming more and more important.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So hopefully not only can you measure the battery of
the nition, but help to move the kneel on it,
which would be bloody awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Thanks well. I appreciate it, mate, and I love the
work you're doing too, brother, well done.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Awesome

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