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Finally an episode worth my time and talents! This week on the Perfect Album Side Podcast we get real big focusing on the iconic bass intro riffs! Yes, it’s about damn time.   We scour decades of great music to find those intro rhythms with some serious bottom.  Those first few notes are unmistakable and unforgettable!  Join us this week as we take the PAS All The Way To The Bass!!! 

One idea. Six songs. Infinite possibilities...

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
50 years from now, people will talk about this
episode.
This is where things really gothairy.
Welcome to the Perfect AlbumSide.
One idea, six songs, infinitepossibilities.
This is the Perfect Album SidePodcast.

(00:31):
My name is Steve, his name isWyndham.
We're back.
We're back.
What's happening, man?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is the episode that I have been waiting for my
life.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I know this podcast our friendship finally has
meaning we're about I don't know.
I don't know what episodenumber this is, but let's just
say it's about 90-ish.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Is it?
I was going to say 80-ish, isit 90-ish?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, it's 80.
It's in the 80s.
It's in the 80s, which so weresome of my songs, but we'll had
one that was about not havingdrums at all, yep, but this one
is all about the bass, all theway to the bass.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Megan Trainor said it best.
All about that bass.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And this episode is all about that bass.
We're going to talk about whatit's all about in just a second.
before we get to that, before wedo I knew you were going to say
that, Look, we would be doingthe music community a disservice
if we didn't point out the lossof Brian Wilson, which was
yesterday.
I'd love to say it was shocking.
You know, I don't know how oldBrian Wilson was, but he was in

(01:39):
his 80s, I think.
So it's an unfortunate loss,but yeah, I don't know what else
to say.
I mean, people throw around theterm musical genius a lot, Uh,
and I think probably too much,but with Brian Wilson it is uh,
spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Absolutely spot on full legend in my book.
I'm not the biggest Beach Boysguy, but I know enough about
music to know that what he wasdoing was what you just said.
Genius, and I'll say this toohe wrote and probably played
most of the instruments on PetSounds.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
One of the greatest albums ever with perhaps one of
the greatest songs ever.
Good Vibrations, I think, isjust one of the greatest rock
songs ever made.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It absolutely is and I still think, as popular as
that is.
And there's a lot of talk ofwhat prompted what Sgt Pepper
versus Pet Sounds and whatprompted the other, but I know
those two bands had a lot ofinfluence on each other.
So my point is you don't puttogether an album like that that
transcends and we talk aboutthat.
We use that word sometimeswithout being an absolute legend

(02:46):
in the music business, and hewas an absolute big deal his
passing and, yeah, I mean whatwe're talking about today.
He had a little bit of somebass credits, I think, in some
of their records.
So, yeah, sorry to hear that,sorry to hear that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm sure that he played bass in multiple
instruments on albums.
I mean a lot.
Like you know, you get some ofthese musical genius type guys
that play every instrument onthe album.
Your Prince Brian Wilson, I'msure that what's his name?
Peter Gabriel.
Just a few of these guys thatcome to mind that can play
anything, yeah is that?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
just let's talk about Prince for a minute, cause he
played every instrument.
There's another, probablyanother artist that may come up
today, but Prince is that?
Is that a?
Hey, the only way to do this,the way I want it done, is for
me to do it myself.
Is that you think that's it, oris it a convenience thing?

(03:46):
Where does that come from?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I?
I don't know, I'm just, I'm acrappy drummer.
I can't even fathom how peopleyou know put together symphonies
or orchestras or all theseparts in their head, like it's.
They're thinking on acompletely different level.
You know, I don't know ifPrince was the best bass player
in his band Probably not but Iknow that he could pick up a
bass and show you this is howwe're going to do it, and I

(04:10):
think he had all of that in hismind, the song the way he wanted
it in his mind.
And I bet you know a lot ofthese artists that we're talking
about are the same way.
They may not be the ones thatplay it, but they've got it in
their minds how it sounds.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and I guess the only way to get from up there
to right here he's pointing athis head and then to his ears.
For those, not watching theYouTube channel.
You can see me, and sometimes Iforget that no one else can,
and that's a good thing.
For most of you, yeah is to doit yourself.
So RIP Brian Wilson Speaking ofdoing it yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yes, brian Wilson, sorry to hear about that too, to
him and his family and tomillions of fans around the
world.
Terrible loss for music.
Now, with that being said,let's get down to the perfect
album side of all the way to thebass.
Today is again, it's all aboutthat bass, as you said, meghan
Trainor would say we're lookingfor and you correct me if I'm

(05:04):
wrong Wyndham, you are the bassplayer, but the six songs with
the most iconic bass lines.
Is that what you did?
Because that's what I did.
Yeah, and a lot of mine areintros A lot of mine are Most
all of mine open with that bassintro.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah.
So yes, a hundred percent, andit's.
I kind of broke this down alittle bit and we'll get into
this, but you know we talkiconic a lot, we toss that word
around a lot.
What does that mean?
Is it charts, is it hardware?
Is it radio time?
Is it popularity?
Is it still around 30, 40 yearslater?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
The answer is yes.
Yeah, it's all of those things,the most iconic, the ones that
stood the test of time, the onewhere you hear the bass line and
everybody knows that songinstantly.
Yeah, and it came from a bassplayer's mind, which is always
shocking when anything comesfrom a bass player's mind.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, finally, we're spotlighting the instrument that
actually keeps the music going,versus all the Glory Hound
instruments like the guitar andthe drums.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Did you bring your bass with you?
Can you play the bass on thisepisode?
Will we be hearing you playbass on this episode?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I wish you could hear me play the bass on this
episode.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
In fact, my bass is bass-i, whatever plural of bass
is Bass-im-ize, bass-im, bass-im, bass-im, bass-im, buzz.
No, no, your multiple bases areright there.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
They are about six or seven feet.
My multiple amps are also, I'dsay less than that, about five
feet from where I am right now.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
If you truly cared about the Perfect Album Side
podcast you would have prepared.
You would have come strappedLike, you would have had the
bass on your shoulder.
You'd be playing these basslines as we go, as opposed to
playing the song.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Several of my selections I can play.
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's good.
I cannot play any of them.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't play bass.
I'm sure you probably can domore than you think.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I have stood around and watch other bass players
play Uh, anyway, let's get,let's get down to, let's get
down to business.
Uh, we're all about that base,all the way to the base today.
Uh, most iconic bass riffs,bass openings let's talk over
under.
That's a big part of this show.
It always has been, it alwayswill be.
I normally set the standard,but you are the bass player

(07:26):
today.
You will set the number andI'll tell you if we're going
higher or lower.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think, for sure.
I think we're going to hitthree and a half.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Three and a half I'm taking the under because I think
it's going to be three.
There's going to be crossover,no doubt I am ready to commence.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I'm ready to commence , please.
Are you kidding me?
I've been waiting for this forfour years 85 episodes 85
episodes, my goodness.
I don't know.
It's finally worth my time.
It's right here, it's allhappening.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's all coming together here we go, the very
first song I thought of when wesaid all the way to the bass.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
This one was a no brainer for me you and most of
our listeners.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
All right, stop, I'm just kidding, sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Under Pressure, queen and David Bowie, october 26th
1981, off the album Hot Space,songwriters being Queen and
David Bowie, producers Queen,david Bowie and Ryan Holden Mack
, recorded in Montreux,switzerland.
And that's important and we'llcome back to why in a moment A

(09:10):
number one hit on the UK singleschart.
It's not going to get my famednumber one hit because it only
hit number 29 on the USBillboard Hot 100 charts, but a
number one hit in the UK top ten, in the Netherlands, ireland,
australia, new Zealand.
I mean, let's talk about whywe're here though the bass line.
Yeah 100% John Deacon of Queenon bass and arguably his most

(09:38):
recognizable bass line.
Let me just stop.
Let me pause.
Give me a minute.
I'm going to ask you, I'm justgonna get it out now.
Is this song on your perfectalbum aside?
No, shit, you're kidding me.
You came with all.
I bet you came with all theserandom ass bass songs that

(09:59):
nobody's ever heard of, becauseyou think they're technically so
great at bass but no one everheard.
That's what we're about to getfrom you.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I can feel it it's probably best that I not say
anything, okay.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Okay, john Deacon, the brilliant bassist of Queen,
known for his melodicsensibility, unbelievable
technical skill on the bass, notonly the band's bassist but
also wrote several of theirbiggest hits.
Another One Bites the Dust.
You're my Best Friend.
He played a huge role inwriting this song, Created this

(10:34):
bass line.
Again, they were in Montreux inSwitzerland and we've told this
story before about somebodybeing in the studio next door
and that was David Bowie.
David Bowie comes over to helpsing background vocals on a
different song, john Deaconsitting there playing around
with this, and Bowie said well,that's the song we're going to
do.
And wouldn't you know it?
We have, under Pressure,fantastic bass line, instantly

(10:57):
recognizable.
We all know what happened withVanilla Ice in 1990, 91, I think
it was 1990.
Vanilla Ice rips off the bassline for Ice, ice Baby.
There's legal battles, there'sthreats.
Eventually Vanilla Ice settlesand gives songwriting credit to
Queen and David Bowie.
Interesting thing about thissong, very similar to our duets

(11:22):
episode, this song was neverperformed live with David Bowie
and Queen, which was shocking tome.
What a shame.
You know, queen and AdamLambert have played it live and
Bowie performed it solo, butthey never played it together
and that's unfortunate.
You know, roger Taylor of Queensaid it was basically a jam
session that got really seriousreally fast.
We all got together in thestudio, played for hours and

(11:44):
that bass riff just kept comingback.
Brian May said David saidthat's it, that's the riff,
don't change it.
David Bowie that is David Bowiesaid it's a song about pressure
and how it breaks peopleemotionally, socially and
mentally.
What do you have to say aboutthis song and that bass line, mr

(12:04):
Bass Player?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I love this bass line .
It's played high on the neckright, so I didn't.
This is not on my perfect albumside, so I didn't do a lot of
researching, but I think we'retalking GD high on the neck 12th
fret.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
You know my wife won't let me say GD in this
house.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yep, nope, just the notes Not the blaspheme, just
the notes.
But I love this song and I'lltell you one thing, please do.
I didn't know this song existeduntil after Vanilla Ice came
out with it.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think people that are our age, very similar, you
know unless you had an olderbrother or a parent who was
really into Queen or David Bowie.
You might not have been exposedto this in 1989, 1990 when
Vanilla Ice did his thing.
I think I'm probably in asimilar boat.
I don't remember if I knew itor not, but yeah, I mean Vanilla

(12:58):
Ice.
He made it famous again.
I'd be willing to bet anybodyborn before or after the year
2000 probably only knows it asVanilla Ice.
That's my guess.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And I like that song that's been on the Perfect Album
side before.
I like the Queen David Bowieversion.
I think it's a great song and Ithink that's the song that only
gets better.
I said GD, it's actually DA,excuse me, wow, sorry.
That only gets better.
I said GD, it's actually DA,excuse me, wow, wow, sorry.
But I think this is a song thatgets better as the song goes on

(13:30):
.
You know that famous queen kindof jam like you talked about.
Just let it go at the end theyjust started jamming a little
bit, playing a little bit, andit worked out.
And I think that's what makesthe song really good, after you
settle down and your heart getsback to normal rhythm after
hearing the bass line at thebeginning.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
One of the most recognizable bass lines of all
time made my perfect downside,did not make yours, but let's
find out why.
What's the first song on yourperfect upside?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Well, I'm, I'm going to you just said something.
This is the reason why I didn'twant to say a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I always say a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
You said something that got my attention.
Oh good, and that's because yousaid this is his best bass line
.
Well, let me play another oneby the same bassist.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
And you tell me if you think this is not his most
famous riff, let's go.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Of course.
Another One Bites the Dust byQueen.
Off the record.
The Game I love Under.
Pressure, but to me this may bethe most famous bass intro riff
in music history.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Stop, hold the phone.
You heard me Say that sentenceagain.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
This very well may be the most famous bass intro riff
in music history.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
That is a bold statement.
I mean, I just got finishedtelling you that Under Pressure
was the most famous bass line ofall time.
And then you come back withanother song by John Deacon,
another Queen song.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Fascinating.
It came out a year earlier,1980, Stone Cold.
It's off the album the Game Did.
I have this vinyl record athome.
Growing up I did there we go.
This riff led to the song beinga number one hit.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Number one hit.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
October 1980.
For four weeks it was top 10.
For 15 weeks it was the longestrunning top 10 hit of 1980.
It's their best-selling singlewith over 7 million copies sold.
Seriously, I mean, this is themost famous song they got.
Gotta be the most famous bassriff.
It got nominated for a Grammyin 1981 for best performance by

(16:23):
a duo or group, but it lost two.
Any guesses Say that again itgot nominated for a Grammy in
1981 for best performance by duoor group, but it lost out to
Ebony and Ivory, I don't know.
Close Bob Seger against thewind.
Oh, I love that song.
Back to the base, back to thebase six, all the way to the

(16:45):
base.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
All the way to the wind.
Oh, I love that song.
Back to the bass, back to thebass six, all the way to the
bass, all the way to the bass,do you like that?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
This riff is, of course, familiar, but where else
have you heard this riff, stoneCold?
Well, I'll tell you.
You've heard it in good timesby Chic.
Okay, john Deacon, theaforementioned, spent a lot of
time with the band Chic andpicked up the famous bass line
from Good Times and used it forthis.
He was literally playing aroundin the studio, and the movie

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which you've seen, bohemianRhapsody, had it right.
Mercury heard this and said whatis that?
What do you think you're doingthere?
Don't stop.
And there it goes.
Sounds like that's opened upthe door to a lot of big Queen
songs there, stone Cold, bigdifference is that, with another
one by Sadust, of course,deacon comes in with drums, only

(17:34):
no guitars.
At first, this is an E minor,but this is such a good song.
Here's something Stone Cold.
The song was originally slatedto be the main song for Rocky
III, really, but eventually itgot something stone cold.
The song was originally slatedto be the main song for rocky
three, really, but eventually itgot replaced by eye of the
tiger by survivor, of courseyeah uh, I love it when mercury

(17:55):
oh, I better hurry.
That was close.
Uh, mercury comes back in latein that song.
Um, I mentioned john deaconwriting this song.
He did.
He also wrote you're my bestfriend too.
He made your hits for the band,but again, because of the
filthy bass track, stone cold.
This is what.
What signifies an amazing song.
We've talked about it a lot.
What means your song islegendary?

(18:16):
It's when you know who comesknocking.
This is one of the very firstsongs.
Weird al parodied.
Another one Rides the Bus thereyou go.
It came in just outside the Hot100 at 104, but gave Weird Al
some much-needed exposure.
This song is what put Queen onthe map in America.

(18:37):
In fact, the disco craze inAmerica is still showing a
little bit of life.
But a lot of people, afterhearing this song for the first
time remember this is before mtvthought freddie mercury was
black, and it wasn't untilconcerts, uh in america, that
they realized that he wasn't.
Uh, a lot of cpr classes thelast little nuggets don't call

(19:00):
them, we'll move on a lot, a lotof the of cpr classes use this
song.
The bass line is 110 beats perminute, which is the recommended
chest compression rate.
So I'm just letting you know ifI ever start to convulse on the
perfect downside podcast 110,yeah, play another one bites the
dust and commenced to saving mylife as a drummer, I could

(19:20):
probably name 30 songs that have110 bpm like, so you can do any
one of those songs.
You just had to steal the moment.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I think Saturday Night Fever is also at
110.
So you can also do SaturdayNight Fever along with this song
.
There's a lot of songs that youcould use, but yes, I will
remember that Another One Bitesthe Dust.
When you go into cardiac arrest, I'll think perfect album side.
And because I disagreed withyou on songs, I'll do my song
and you will perish, I'm sure ofit.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm sure of it, just let me suffer, I'm pretty sure
he said under pressure, stonecold Under pressure.
I said another bites the dust.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Unfortunately we lost Wyndham because under pressure,
was at 17 BPM for a minute andhe died.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Unfortunately, you're going to lose me because of
Steve's pride, that's basicallywhat it is.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I looked very closely at Another One Bites the Dust.
Obviously it's anextraordinarily recognizable
baseline and because of that Ilooked at that.
I went with Under Pressure,obviously, as you know, we just
talked about it.
Let me, let me, let me, let me,may I?
May I go now, are you?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
done, oh please, yes, I'm finished.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Let me tell you why I didn't go with Another One
Bites the Dust.
Oh man, good times, face offthe good times, leave your cares

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behind.
Good times, love it by Chic.
We're getting off to a hell ofa start here.
We both went with Queen and thenyou referenced Chic, you
referenced this song whentalking about Another One Bites
the Dust and, in all honesty,another One Bites the Dust was
on my perfect album side upuntil yesterday when I really

(21:20):
started listening to this songagain and I listened to the bass
line and I was like, wait aminute, it's you know, I had
read that they were similar, butI listened to it and I'm like
it's the same bass line.
It is I mean, it's almost notefor note the same bass line as
Another One Bites the Dust.
And so for that reason Ithought to myself well, john
Deacon stole it from Chic.

(21:40):
It can't possibly make myperfect album side because he's
a thief.
Wyndham, that's what I'm saying.
I'm accusing him of thievery,much like Vanilla Ice was a
thief of that bass line.
How in the world can Queen holdVanilla Ice accountable when
they stole Another One Bites theDust from this song?

(22:01):
That's what I ask you.
Let me put you on the spot.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, there's a lot of controversy about exactly
that, because a lot of peoplewere saying the other way around
, that Sheik took this song fromJohn Deaconacon and chic
literally had to come out andsay wait a minute, you.
And it got very controversial,stone cold.
You know this, you.
You had to have read about thisI read some of it.
Yeah, I don't yeah where theycame out and said you guys don't

(22:25):
think we can come up with thismusic, but we did.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
This song came out a good year, june 4th 1979, off
the album Risque SongwritersBernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers
.
They also produced it.
They recorded it at the PowerStation in New York City in 1979
.
Here's an interesting, fun, funnugget for you about that In

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the studio when they recorded it, power Station 1979, the guy
getting coffee for everybody inthe control room and in the
bands and all that was namedJohn Bongiovi aka John Bongiovi
was there for Chic and half adozen other bands that recorded
in Power Station in 1979.

(23:10):
No-transcript little nuggetthere.
Uh a number one hit on thebillboard hot 100 in august of
1971, number one in the unitedstates, number one on the usrmb
singles chart, number five inthe uk, top 20 in multiple
international markets.
Uh, ranked number 68 on ourfamous Rolling Stones 500

(23:31):
Greatest Songs of All Time.
Inducted into the Dance MusicHall of Fame, certified gold.
5 million copies sold.
The bassist, bernard Edwards,also one of the songwriters,
along with Nile Rodgers, born inGreenville, north Carolina,
raised in Brooklyn.
His work with Chic producedseveral hits, including La Freak
, everybody Dance, I Want yourLove.

(23:52):
He also collaborated with DianaRoss, sister Sledge, robert
Palmer Again, all people whohave recorded at Power Station
as well.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Robert Palmer was in Power Station.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well that might.
There you go, there you go,there you go.
The bass line in Good Times,again widely sampled.
It is considered one of themost influential bass lines in
music history.
Again, queen may or may nothave stolen it, depending on who
you ask, but you know.
Equally as important it wassampled in Rap Song, which

(24:27):
Blondie right Rapper's Delight.
Rapper's Delight, thank you, Icould not think of the name of
that.
Yeah, sampled in Sugarhillright.
Rapper's Delight, rapper'sDelight, thank you, I could not
think of the name of that.
Yeah, sampled in Sugar HillGang's Rapper's Delight.
One of the first rap songs withmainstream popularity We've
already talked about another oneBites the Dust.
This was kind of theinspiration for that one.
Yeah, I mean, look, it comesout in 1979, and it's been
repeated a couple times sincethen as a bass line and it's

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been repeated a couple timessince then as a bass line Sugar
Hill Gang as well as Queen.
I think it's one of the morefamous ones of all time.
I was listening to this songthis morning and I don't think
I've ever really paid attentionto the lyrics before.
But there is a couple times inthis song where they say
Clamshells and roller skates,rollerskates, and I'm like what

(25:10):
the hell could they possibly betalking about with clamshells
and roller skates?
Somehow, clamshells are clamson the half shell and roller
skates equals good times to chic.
Just as an FYI, I mean I canget behind that they repeat that
line twice in this song Clamson the half shell and roller
skates, roller skates.
That equals good times in 1979.

(25:32):
I was only four on the halfshell and roller skates.
Roller skates, that equals goodtimes in 1979.
I was only four.
Look, this song goes on forabout nine minutes so I won't
let it play the whole waythrough, but I did want to point
out Chic, because of the Queenthing and because of Sugar Hill
Gang and Rapper's Delight, andyou know it's just a good song,
number one hit.
Number one hit.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's hard to argue.
Super famous bass line.
I love what you just did.
I've seen Niles Rodgers andSheik in concert.
No, just exactly two years agoat State Farm Arena.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Did they sing about clams on the half shell and
roller skates?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I didn't hear that part, if you want to know, the
truth.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
You saw them open for who?

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Duran Duran, sheik opened for Duran Duran.
For who Duran Duran, chic openfor Duran Duran.
Yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, that is fascinating.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Very.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
William Dafoe sounding.
It was an amazing concert,start to finish, and it was one
of those where everybody knewevery song that was played, a
lot of songs that were played byChic.
You didn't know they did thosesongs, but they owned them.
I love this song.
I love this song.
I love the bass line.
I'm going to stick with anotherone Bites of Dust, but I love
where we're going with this,because I was ready to play

(26:39):
Rapper's Delight after this tosay hey, yeah, but I'm not going
to.
But an amazing selection.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
For those of you playing at home, pull up
Rapper's Delight by Sugar HillGang.
It's the same bass line.
It's the same bass line.
It's the same bass line in atleast three songs that hit
number one.
So pretty impressive.
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Sugar Hill Gang hit number one, but it sounded good.
Yes, I don't know if they hitnumber one either.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
If you want to know the truth, I don't think so, but
it was the first mainstream rapsong.
Chic.
Good Times by Chic makes myperfect album side.
What is next on your perfectalbum side?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
good, sir, anybody that has listened to any of our
episodes knows that for thistopic, this song is going to be
on my perfect album side.
Let's just go ahead with it.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can I guess?
Yeah, go ahead.
You talk about Color Me Bad alot.
I'm going to assume it's ColorMe Bad.
I want to sex you up, that's myguess.
Okay, what do you?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
got.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You're very, very close, been dazed and confused
for so long.
It's not true, wondered.
A woman never bargained for you.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
This is 1969 Stone Cold.
This is Dazed and Confused byLed Zeppelin on Led Zeppelin One
, one of the most recognizablebass lines, I think, in rock.
I think you have to say thatNow this one has got a little

(28:35):
bit of juice to it.
Talk to me, the song's amazing,the bass line is amazing, but
this song originally written bya guy named Jake Holmes in 1967.
Then the Yardbirds who touredwith Jake Holmes Okay, you
picking up on this, jimmy Pageand Jake Holmes, they know each

(28:55):
other.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay, yardbirds picked it up, made a version of
that song, highlighting thatdescending bass line right
Starts in open E.
Then in 1969, jimmy Page tookit again and put it on side one
of Led Zeppelin.
One Hear that heavy reverb.
That's John Pearl Jones, one ofmy favorites on bass, and this

(29:16):
really really hits.
Crank it up, you can almostfeel it hitting your chest on
hold.
Yes, easily easily.
One of the most famous basslines and with Jimmy Page's
guitar coming in, the bass stillrattles All right.
It's the most played song inthe Zeppelin Live catalog.
Okay, it was played all the wayfrom their very first show, all

(29:38):
the way through 1975 Earl'sCourt that's some great trivia
right there.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
The most played song ever by Led Zeppelin, which
makes sense.
It's first song side one of LedZeppelin 1, is it not?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's not first song, it's side one.
Okay, side one, yeah, one ofLed Zeppelin one, is it not?
Uh, it's not first song, it'sside one.
Um, yeah, good times, bad times.
Is what my mistake?
Yep, no, no, no, no, that's allright, uh, but it also came out
.
You're thinking like, whatabout stairway?
What about whole lot of love?
Hey, this song was being playedin concert years before, long
before, yeah, long before.
Um, so this song allowed forthe band to include snippets of

(30:11):
other Zepp songs.
This I'm talking in concert now.
Other Zepp allowed for the bandto include snippets of other
Zep songs.
I'm talking in concert now.
Other Zep songs.
Sometimes the band wouldstretch this out for another 30
minutes or so.
Zeppelin One is such abass-heavy record, really, it's
such a John Paul Jones-heavyrecord.
Nice, not only with the basssolo in Good Times, bad Times.
This bass opening forDisconfused you've got your
Time's Gonna Come on the organ,but let this bass opening for

(30:38):
this confused, you've got yourtime is going to come on the
organ.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
But let's go back to jake holmes for a minute.
He filed a lawsuit againstjimmy page and the band in 2011.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
He waited till 2011 to file the lawsuit.
I apparently thrown out.
Uh nope, he won and he wasawarded some cash settlement
maybe, but he was awarded thatany release, any subsequent
release of this song had to becredited.
Inspired by jake holmes.
Okay, well, fast forward tojust about a month ago.

(31:04):
Okay, jake holmes, may 5th 2025.
This is my favorite part of thesong.
By the way, you talk aboutletting a song just go and just
start jamming a little bit likeyou were talking about with
Under Pressure.
There's one.
Fast forward, may 5th 2025.

(31:27):
Jake Holmes files anotherlawsuit, this time claiming that
in the movie Becoming LedZeppelin, where the song was
featured twice, holmes claimsthat he never gave his
permission to use this song.
The 2025 suit is still ongoing.
Holmes is only seeking $150,000in damages.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean, Jimmy Page has that in his boots right now.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
He's got it in between his couch cushions.
I think that's a little bitunderwhelming, but it was not
credited as inspired by JakeHolmes on the Yardbirds version
in Becoming Led Zeppelin andthen also the Led Zeppelin
version in the same movie, sovery interesting.
Now Jake Holmes went on to havea very nice jingle career.
He's responsible for the Be Allyou Can Be jingle for the US

(32:13):
Army and the Be a Pepper jinglefor Dr Pepper.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That is awesome.
What two great nuggets thosewere.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Be all you can be and be a pepper, I mean he was
waiting for you to tell me Isn'tJohn Paul Jones like your
favorite bassist?
And you're talking about thisJake Holmes guy?
I mean good for.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Jake Holmes, I remember that Be All you Can Be
song pretty well and Be a Pepper, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Maybe that's why he doesn't need more than $150,000.
That movie is pretty good.
What is?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
it so far with.
You know, we've put out threeor four songs here and all of
them have controversy aroundthem.
This bass line was stolen oryou know it was clearly ripped
off.
I have a feeling we're not donewith that either.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I have a feeling we're not done with that.
And what's interesting, TwoStone Cold is the way the bass
is often sampled.
You know the bass line is whatyou recognize a song and say I
heard this, before you go backand say oh, Ice, Ice, Baby, it
was under pressure.
That kind of thing, the bass iswhat you hear.
So, yeah, one of my favoriteZeppelin songs I think this is

(33:19):
the one that let everybody knowthat this band doesn't kid
around.
And, Paige, you know, the thingabout Zeppelin is there's so
many songs that they have thatsomeone else did something very
similar to.
And you know that could be asingles episode that we talk
about, because there's aboutseven or eight of them, a lot of
these early rock bands.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean you know they stole everything from
African-American musicians from10 years before, from a lot of
blues-based stuff, and you knowthose musicians never got credit
.
But I mean going back to Elvisand you know that time frame
it's been going on forever.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, little Richard Gosh.
I wish I was more prepared forthis.
Little Richard had a song thatthe Led Zeppelin song Rock and
Roll came from.
The famous drum riff came fromLittle Richard.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I can't remember the name of that song right now, but
I know what you're talkingabout.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I can't either, but it's exact.
I mean, there's so many.
Richie Valens has a song thatone of Zeppelin's songs off
Physical Graffiti came from.
It's unbelievable.
But this is one of my favoriteZeppelin songs.
You've really got to get intoit.
But it's several songs in one.
You have the slow, verypsychedelic intro with the

(34:31):
opening, but then as you getlater in the song it starts to
pick up a little bit.
Bonham says I gotta do my thinghere and really gets it going
in the outro.
Then they bring it back downslow again.
So a couple of different.
The time is different, I think,as the song goes on.
The intro, the outro are thesame, but that solo is different
.
So man Days of Confused had tomake my perfect album side,

(34:52):
stone Cold.
I'm just going to ask you isthis or is this?
Because you're awful quiet, Iknow how to read your tells.
You know 90 episodes in.
Is this or is this not on yourperfect album side, stone Cold?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
This song is not on my perfect album side.
I know it disappoints you.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Boy, talk about the wind out of your sails.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Well, and here's why, if you try to do chest
compressions based on the rhythmof that song, everyone would
die, you're dead, everyone woulddie.
So I tried to keep the BPM uparound 110, 115.
So for that reason it did notmake my rhythm downside, but I'm
glad it made yours.
I do want to point out again Ijust mentioned it we, several
songs in and a lot ofcontroversy, a lot, a lot of
stealing of baselines.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Uh, this, this next song.
We're going somewhere with this.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
This one's no different, but to me this, this
is one of the six most iconicrock rock baselines of all time.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
No overlap to this point.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
No overlap so far.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's astonishing to me, come as you are.
Nirvana off the Nevermind albumreleased 1992.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Number 32 on the Billboard Hot 100, number 9 in
the UK.
Top 10 in 8 countries on theBillboard Hot 100, number nine
in the UK.
Top ten in eight countries.
Songwriter Kurt Cobain,producer Butch Vig and Nirvana,
recorded at Sound City Studiosin Van Nuys, california.
You know this one wasn't theirbiggest hit, obviously, but it

(36:48):
did get a lot of accolades 1996Grammy Award for Best
Alternative Music Performance.
1992 MTV Video Music Award forBest New Artist.
You know several awards.
It's a huge Nirvana song and itopens with that iconic bass
line performed by ChrisNovoselic.
He, along with Kurt Cobain,founding members of Nirvana.

(37:13):
He was the only bassist to everplay with Nirvana.
He and Kurt started in 1987.
For those of you that don'tknow, kurt Nocellec, a giant man
, giant, and if there's onething I think it's overplayed,
in general it's just gigantic.
You know 6'5 and over bassplayers they're a dime a dozen.
I've always said that.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, my nose is bleedingafter taking a roundhouse.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I figured that might hurt your feelings just a little
bit.
I'm kidding.
But yeah, giant man, much likemy co-host here, a bass player,
that is a giant human being.
Look the bass line in Come asyou Are.
It's one of the most iconicbass lines in music history, but
also a little bit ofcontroversy there.
There is a song called 80s,released in 1984 by a band

(38:03):
called Killing Joke, and Ilistened to that one this week
and, yeah, it's the same bassline.
It's a little bit faster, butgo back and listen.
Go back.
I I encourage all of you to goback and listen to killing jokes
1984 song entitled 80s.
You'll know it when you hear it.
If you were alive during thattime you'll remember it.
But it's, it's the same bassline, uh.

(38:25):
But that being said, this bassline in my mind, solidified Kurt
Novacellek's place in rockhistory.
It's one of the most iconicbaselines of all time.
Wyndham, is it on your perfectalbum side?
And if not, why not?
It is not Nonsense.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It is not on my perfect album side.
I think this is a great thething about this baseline too.
And you said something in thepregame.
You mentioned something aboutLed Zeppelin.
You were talking about BlackDog.
That was my soundcheck song andyou were like can you imagine
what people thought when theyheard this?
And that got me thinking howattracted I am to music by the
way it sounds the song.

(39:05):
And I don't mean just hey,that's a good rhythm, that's a
good beat, I'm talking about theway the music actually sounds.
We talk about Eddie Van Halen.
When you hear Ain't TalkingAbout Love for the first time,
you're like what is that sound?
This song?
I love the bass line, but Ialso love that heavy reverb that
they've got cranked up on thissong, the way it sounds, that
very wavy sound, stone Cold.

(39:27):
Yeah, you know, when it comesout, I love this song.
This is probably my favoritesong.
And when I've got Nevermind onCD, this is right when CDs were
starting to come out.
But when I got this song, thisCD, nevermind, I played this
song over and over and overagain and I like the way the
drums come in.
I like the ride cymbal that.

(39:49):
Dave Kroll plays along withChris Novacellek, and I'll say
this too Chris Novacellek isvery tall, but Flea, on the
other hand, is not a very tallman.
Flea's my height.
He's one of the best bassplayers in history.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Oh, I wonder if that's foreshadowing,
Foreshadowing Controversy.
Nirvana Come as you Are.
Kurt Novaceelic made my perfectalbum side for all the way to
the bass, even though he stoleit from Killing Jokes.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I can't wait to hear that song.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, go back and listen to it.
Maybe I'll try and play it hereat the outro of the episode so
people can hear what I'm talkingabout.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
What's next on yours, my man?
Yeah, you went March 1992.
Fast forward to August 1992 formy next selection.
Stone Cold, Hit me.
You went March 1992.
Fast forward to August 1992 formy next selection.
Stone Cold, Hit me.
I am about to.
As soon as I can get my volumeturned up here, there you go.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Here we go At home, drawing pictures of mountaintops
With him on top, lemon yellow,sun, arms raised in a feat, the
dead lay in pools of maroon blue.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Thought he didn't give a ten-turn Stone Cold off
the album 10.
1992's Jeremy by Pearl Jam,Lyrics by Eddie Vedder.
But that's the only thing onhere that wasn't written by Jeff
Amon, the bassist of Pearl Jam.

(41:44):
12-string bass is what you hearin that intro, stone Cold Starts
in A major.
But you listen to thoseharmonics right at the very
beginning.
Yeah, those first two were Dand G, no big deal.
Amitt said he had heard themusic for this song for a while.
He had in his head veryPrince-like as we talked about,
but he never had the rightinstruments to make it what he

(42:06):
wanted.
So he ordered a hammer,12-string bass and the song fell
right together.
He also put in a cello at theend, which is pretty amazing.
Yeah, huge hit for this band.
It wasn't released as a singleat first but courtesy of our
friends at MTV, the songskyrocketed in popularity, ended

(42:28):
up being released again in 1995as a single, peaked at 79,.
Popularity Ended up beingreleased again in 1995 as a
single, peaked at 79,.
Which is just tragic that thatsong didn't even break the top
10.
But it's considered today to bethe most popular song from 10.
And the song itself.
There's a lot to unpack aboutwhat the song is about.
It's about real life, tragedy,tragedies, plural.

(42:50):
Both a school boy in Texas andsomeone Eddie Vedder knew in San
Diego in the early 90s bothsome tragic situations there.
Mtv Stone Cold played this songnonstop, won about every award
MTV gives out for videos,including Video of the Year,
best Group Video, best Hard Rockand this was the anthem for a

(43:11):
lot of people, you know.
Live came out.
Everybody jumped on the PearlJam wagon rightfully so amazing
band.
Then this song came out andeverybody was just like wow.
And it all starts with an epic12 string bass line.
Let me ask you that this StoneCold as I take a moment to catch
my breath, let me ask you thatthis stone cold as I take a

(43:32):
moment to catch my breath, isthis song on your perfect album
side?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
We said an over under of three and a half.
We're not going to hit the over.
We may not even have one.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
No, it's not on my perfect album side.
I'm stunned.
We're already halfway throughand not a single overlap.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Here's why you should be even more stunned.
Didn't even think about thissong as an option, and now I'm
ashamed of myself.
I'm ashamed Well.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think I'll concede that you're a bigger Pearl Jam
fan than I am.
I mean, I freaking love Pearl.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Jam, one of my favorite bands of all time.
It just didn't even cross mymind, and now I'm upset that it
didn't.
12-string acoustic bass Ofcourse that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I mean, I just imagine the bass showing up
being delivered by UPS, fedex,whatever, and Jeff Ament is like
time to go.
Let's get this going.
It's here.
I've got a song in mind Watchthis, kids.
Yeah, I mean, this song isamazing.
I thought about Come as you Are, but as I started to think

(44:31):
about that, I stayed in thegenre and said wait a minute,
jeremy is where it's at.
So I went Jeremy, you know thissong is still played live on
their current tour.
I like Jeff Amon.
He's not one of my favoritebassists of all times, but I
think his music and what he doesis incredible and this is a

(44:52):
spotlight of it and how creativehe is.
He's not just pulling out hisprecision or whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I mean I've seen Pearl Jam in concert 11 billion
times, as you would say and itjust didn't cross my mind and
that's upsetting to me.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's a great song, that's upsetting to me.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It's a great bass line, it's very cool, it's
unique because it's a 12-stringacoustic bass, like you said,
the harmonics.
It's got some really cool stuffgoing on here and I wish I had
thought of it.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And I know we're not supposed to go back and play
songs because it makes theengineering piece a nightmare,
but the way the whole band comesin about 45 seconds into this
song is just absolutely insane.
And this ending to Stone Cold.
Listen to the way this thingwraps up 12 string bass right

(45:43):
there.
Harmonics.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
So cool, great, great choice.
I wish I had thought of it, butyou know that's why there's two
of us.
I think that's.
I think that's why I don'tthink the world could take more
than two of us oh my god.
Uh, all right, good selection.
Let me tell you what I've gotgoing on next.
Uh, give me two seconds to dothis, this and this, and, and
then we'll play this one.
Let's, as our friend EricClapton would say, let's see if

(46:14):
you can spot this one.
She was more like a beautyqueen from a movie scene.
I said don't mind, but what doyou mean?

(46:51):
Billie Jean from MichaelJackson's thriller January 2nd
1983.
Producers Quincy Jones andMichael Jackson, recorded at
Westlake Recording Studios inLos Angeles, california.
Need I say a number one hit onthe.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Hot 100.
The number one hit.
The number one hit.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Seven weeks at number one at the beginning of 1983,
number one on the R&B singleschart, number one in the UK,
australia, canada, france,ireland, switzerland, belgium
and about 35 other countries.
Grammy Awards in 1984, best R&BSong, best R&B Vocal
Performance, american MusicAward for Best Song.
Inducted into the Grammy Hallof Fame in 2002, ranked number

(47:40):
44 on that great Rolling Stone500 Greatest Songs of All Time,
certified diamond by the RIAAand one of the greatest selling
singles of all time.
There that's the back of thebaseball card for Billie Jean by
Michael Jackson.
All of that being said, thebassist Louis Johnson, born

(48:02):
April 1955, nicknamed ThunderThumbs oh my gosh, I mean, is
there a cooler nickname thanthat?
And the answer is no, there'snot.
That I wish my name was ThunderThumbs.
He is famous for pioneering theslap bass technique, hence
Thunder Thumbs.

(48:22):
He was the co-founder of thefunk band, the Brothers Johnson,
with his brother George.
They had some moderate successin the 70s and 80s with hits
like I'll Be Good to you andStomp.
He was a session musician.
He also played on Off the WallMichael's previous album,
thriller Dangerous.
You might know him from Don'tStop Till you Get Enough.

(48:46):
In addition to Billie Jean,both of those really cool bass
lines by him, but I mean hisname's Thunder Thumbs, and I
just wanted an opportunity tosay Thunder Thumbs on the
Perfect Album Side podcast, andnow we have one.
Unfortunately, he passed awayin 2015, but he left quite a
legacy with the bass slappingtechnique.

(49:07):
Do you play like that?
Can you play like that?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
No, I cannot play like that.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
All right, a couple couple fun facts.
Uh, the moonwalk, we all knowabout that, motown 25 was to
this song.
Uh, music video milestone uh,the billy g music video was
among the first by a blackartist to receive heavy rotation
on mtv.
You know, breaking down racialbarriers this song did.
Jackson stated that the song'slyrics were inspired by the

(49:35):
experiences of his brothersduring their time with the
Jackson 5.
They had to deal with groupiesand false paternity claims.
I never really thought aboutthat, but that's what this
song's all about False paternityclaims that you know, randy and
Tito, and those guys had to gothrough with the Jackson 5.
Not, Michael though I think thissong is considered one of MJ's

(49:55):
greatest achievements,showcasing all of his talents
singer, songwriter, producer,dancer, videographer, if you
will.
One of the biggest hits of alltime and one of the most
recognizable bass lines of alltime.
Is it on your perfect albumside, wyndham?
It is not, damn it, I'm goingto take one of the most
recognizable bass lines of alltime.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Is it on your perfect album side, wyndham?
It is not, damn it.
I'm going to take one of yours.
I didn't even the genre.
We'll get to that in a minute.
I didn't even think about thissong.
I can play this song.
Does that count?
Well, I mean that's great,that's great.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I don't know what to do with that information.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm just trying to save space Does.
Is this now?
This is think about it now, I'mlistening.
His history off the wall cameout late 70s.
Is this the song that madeMichael Jackson the king of pop?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yes, I don't know how else to answer that?
I mean this was famous beforethis.
No, of course he was famousfrom the time he was, you know,
five years old on.
But this is the one that puthim over the top king of pop,
with off the album Thriller Imean obviously Thriller.
You know he had a thousandnumber one hits on that album

(51:03):
and he had hits off off the walland he had hits with with his
brothers.
But this is the song thatchanged everything.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, this, this is it.
I think this is the song thatchanged everything.
Yeah, this is it.
I think this is the song, andall these young kid artists do
this.
Miley Cyrus has done this,britney Spears has done this,
michael Jackson not to MichaelJackson's level, let me be clear
, but this is the song thatmoved him from the young kid, I
think, to the adult superstar.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, and he's got Louis Johnson to thank, or shall
I say Thank the bass player.
Thunder Thumbs.
Yes, I'm going to end mywrite-up with Thunder Thumbs.
What's next on your PerfectAlbum Side?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
good, sir, that is really, really good.
I'm going to stay in a similargenre.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
We still don't have any crossover.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Shocking.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Shocking.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Is absolutely shocking to me.
I didn't even think about thissong, but I thought about
another Motown superstar who hada big song that was sampled.
Talk to me.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Talk to me, talk to me.
I'm singing to Jesus, lookingback on when I was a little
nappy-headed.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
This is, I Wish Stevie Wonder off with the album
that Elton John doesn't goanywhere in the world without
because he says it's thegreatest album ever, and that's
Songs in the Key of Life.
Wow, that's 1976, stone Cold.
This is a number one hit.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Number one hit.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That bass intro by Nathan Watts should be a little
familiar Stone Cold, it's beensampled about a thousand times
and we've covered one of them.
Wild Wild West by Will Smithalso went number one, wow, I
Wish, by Stevie Wonder thateight-note intro by, again,
bassist Nathan Watts, the famousNathan Watts.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Was Nathan Watts consistently the bass player for
Stevie.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Wonder.
He is not only the bass player,he's also the music director
for Stevie Wonder and has beenfor the last 30 years.
Oh, I stand corrected.
I'm so glad I picked up on thatso I could answer your question
with confidence.
That was good Hit number one.
In the summer of 1976, stevieattended a picnic a Motown

(53:51):
picnic, if you will and he feltlike he was back in his
childhood, immediately went backto the studio and dropped this
whole song.
You hear his sister, reneeHardaway, doing vocals in this
song.
She says you nasty boy in themiddle of the song.
Here we go, stone Cold.
We talked about what makes asong iconic.
Is it recognizable?
Is it radio play, is it chartThunder Thumbs or is it a

(54:12):
nickname?
I can't give you quite thenickname that Lewis Johnson got
for Billie Jean.
This song won a Grammy for R&BBest Male Vocal Performance.
Best Male Vocal PerformanceOkay, it also went number one.
It's been sampled a gazilliontimes, okay.
So to me this hits iconic,right, totally.

(54:35):
I love that intro bass line too.
It doesn't stop, it just keepsgoing.
Yeah Right, it just keeps going.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
A lot of notes.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It's a lot of notes.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
It's a lot of notes.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
It's eight notes and it notes, it's a lot of notes,
it's a lot of notes, it's eightnotes and it doesn't stop.
So Stevie Wonder used theMotown house band for this
recording, but he felt likethose musicians who play in the
background a little bit don'tget the credit that they deserve
.
So he credited every one of theband members, the Motown house
band.
He credited every one of themby name on this record.

(55:05):
The other big hit from thisrecord, stone Cold, is Sir Duke,
as mentioned.
Elton John doesn't go anywherewithout songs and the Key of
Life says it's the best recordever.
So why are we here?
Stone Cold, nathan Watts dropsthis epic bass line.
You already got this out of me,so this is not news.
Stevie's musical director since1994.

(55:26):
He's played bass on all ofstevie records since 1976,
including women, woman in red.
I just called to say I love you.
You know that song, junglefever.
Also nathan watts played basson blame it, on the boogie by
the jacksons speaking of.
So there's some.
There we go if you don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Blame it on the Boogie, wasn't there?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
for that?
I guess not.
Well, this is with the Jacksons, so this is probably about 10
years prior to Thriller comingout.
Fair enough, if you don't know,blame it on the Boogie by the
Jacksons.
Give that a listen.
That song is awesome.
Shake your Body, also by theJacksons.
He played bass for Gladyssisters.

(56:07):
I'm so excited.
Diana ross, lana, richie, say,say, say, mccarney and jackson.
I know you love that one, I do.
Maniac by michael cimbello.
He's a phenomenal bassist.
But let me tell you who else ison this song.
Stone cold, because this hasgot a pretty much of a who's.
Who tell me?
Uh, herbie hancock plays onthis song.
I know that.
Snuffy walden who's that snuffywalden, I don't know plays
electric guitar on this song.
But he's also the guy who wrotethe intro to the TV show the
West Wing.
No big deal.

(56:28):
Denise Williams, let's hear itfor the boy she sings on that
song.
George.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Benson, Denise Williams.
Let's hear it for the boy thatwas on the Footloose soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
It was and I thought she was very young.
I mean, this is 1976 that we'retalking, but she had to be.
I think a teenager when she wason that record, but I mean she
had to be, I think, a teenagerwhen she was on that record.
Suse Green, the last officialmember of the Supremes, sings on
this record.
Tons of famous artists, wow.
Many of whom got their startwith Stevie Wonder, many of whom
were already famous.

(56:56):
I wish Amazing Baseline.
And if we define again thaticonic number one or iconic song
, you know, number one hit check.
Grammy winner check.
Inst one hit check.
Grammy winner check.
Instantly recognizable checkSampled by other artists Must be
good enough that other artistswant to benefit from it too.
Check has to be on my PAS, Iwish.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Does indeed.
You've made a strong case andwell done.
You never asked me, but it'snot on my perfect album side.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
We continue our oh, I've given up hope.
Now I think we're going to goover.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
It sounds like it.
May I commence?
May I take over?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
and do this.
Please commence, and I've gottwo more.
You have two more.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I've got two more.
Here we go with one of them.
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I've never been more ready.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Here's a fun fact In this band there is no bass
player.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Blasphemy back.
They're gonna rip it off takingtheir time right behind my back
and I'm talking to myself.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Seven nation army by the white stripes, released
february of 2003 off the albumelephant uh.
Songwriter and producer jackWhite, recorded in London,
england, at Torag Studios.
A number one hit on the USBillboard Alternative Songs.
Number 76 on the Hot 100.

(58:36):
Number seven in the UK.
Top ten in a bunch of countries.
Grammy Award for Best Rock Songin 2004.
Mtv VMA for Best Editing in aVideo which is irrelevant to
this one.
Ranked number 36 on RollingStone's 500 Greatest Songs of
All Time.
I thought that was impressive.
This so far is the highestranking song on that list that

(58:56):
we have played today, I believe.
Sans Billie Jean, probably.
Oh yeah, jack White, born JohnAnthony Gillis, july 9, 1975, in
Detroit, michigan.
He gained prominence as thefrontman of the White Stripes
duo formed with drummer MegWhite.
Seven Nation Army and, fun fact, one of my son's favorite songs

(59:19):
.
My 10-year-old son loves thissong.
I can't explain why, but hethinks it's the greatest song
ever.
It is a good song.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
It is really good.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, like I said at the beginning, no bass player in
this song.
I can't explain why, but hethinks it's the greatest song
ever.
It is really good.
Uh, yeah, like I said at thebeginning, uh, no bass player in
this song.
This song's signature bass riffoff, often mistaken for a bass
guitar, was actually played byJack White on a guitar with a
pitch shifting effect turned on,which made it sound like a bass
.
So to me it's.
You know we're getting in on atechnicality.

(59:46):
I think it's one of the mostrecognizable bass lines in the
history of music and it's notplayed by a bass player or on a
bass.
So it had to make my perfectalbum side just for those
reasons alone.
You have a confused.
look on your face, talk to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Well, just I'm trying to think of a qualification
like criteria here.
Like there's no bassist,there's no bass.
Yeah, they had to get a littlefunky.
I mean I could have said like adoor song, soul Kitchen or
Peace Frog, where the bass isplayed by pedals on a keyboard.
Yeah, as a bass player, I'mstanding up for my instrument

(01:00:21):
for my guys my people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It sounds like a bass .
Doesn't that qualify, yeah thatpeople?
It sounds like a bass.
Doesn't that qualify, yeah thatdoes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I'll allow it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
He said with much dismay.
Here's a fun fact the phraseSeven Nation Army was Jack
White's childhoodmispronunciation of Salvation
Army.
He thought Salvation Army wasSeven Nation Army, hence the
song title.
Oh wow, he thought SalvationArmy was Seven Nation Army,
hence the song title.
Obviously, the riff has becomea global sports chant

(01:00:51):
popularized by fans during the2006 FIFA World Cup.
Now you'll hear 100,000 peoplesinging this bass line in unison
in football stadiums around theworld.
The track was recorded usingvintage equipment at Tore Rag
Studios, emphasizing a very rawanalog sound, using that bass

(01:01:13):
shifter or that what was itcalled Hell, I can't remember
the name the pitch shiftingpedal which turned his guitar
into a bass Widely regarded, oneof the most influential rock
songs of the 21st century.
I thought that the line itselfhad to be on my Perfect Album
side and I just like the factthere was no bass player and no

(01:01:34):
bassist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
The Salvation Army part.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I'm sorry that is nugget of nuggets, like if we
were to hand out some sort ofnugget of the episodes brought
to you by McDonald's.
That's why you tune in or turnin to the Perfect Album Side
podcast Nuggets like that SevenNation Army, mispronunciation of
Salvation Army.
You're welcome, world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah, that's really good.
I didn't think about that oneeither, to be honest with you.
And that's an anthem rock,right.
We've talked about that on.
We have talked about how songsyou hear at every sporting event
ever, and that is on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
No doubt.
Yeah, it's the second time it'sbeen on the perfect album side.
I believe it was on our sportsanthems episode, if I remember
correctly.
So you are correct.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's confirmed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Confirmed.
Uh, that was the fifth song onmy hurt album to Album side.
I've got one more left, you'vegot two more.
We have had no crossover yet,which is shocking.
Maybe one of your last two willbe my last one.
You may go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Monday Get away, get a good job with the pain, you're
okay.
Monday it's a gas.
Grab that cash with both handsand make a stash.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
New car cabbie.
I'll force that.
There you go.
Roger Waters just said it Money, Pink Floyd, Stone Cold that's
1973, the Dark Side of the MoonPeaked at number 13 on the Hot
100, but we're talking aboutrecognizable iconic bass lines,
bass intros.
There's one and, moreimportantly, while we're here,

(01:03:36):
the bass intro is unmistakable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Let me guess it's actually played by a bass player
on a bass, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I mean, I thought that was the criteria, but I
won't go down that path again.
That's Roger Waters on the bass, to which renowned bassist and
author Adrian Astin said one ofthe most memorable classic bass
riffs ever recorded.
Who said that?
Renowned bassist and author,Adrian Astin.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I'm not so sure he's that renowned.
I've never heard of him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Well, he must not be if you've never heard of him.
So here we go with thenon-musical instrument
accoutrement, if you will, allthe various money-related items
being used to count in Jinglingcoins, coins being thrown into a
mixing bowl, cash register,stone cold adding machine
tearing of a receipt.
All right, now these, they'renot just thrown in for for
giggles, right, these act as acount-in to set the tempo.

(01:04:31):
They're in most of the song,but they're a little bit faded.
But they're, oh, they're there,don't you worry.
The song is all about the powerof money, how it affects people
.
The song, the entire album,really was, of course, famously
engineered by alan parsons ofthe parsons project, alan
parsons project well, I mean Ihope so, otherwise he's getting
a lot of money from thatprobably the same guy

(01:04:53):
he later became famous with hisgroup, the alan parsons project
and their major hit high in thesky.
Parsons was a fixture at abbeyroad where this record was
recorded.
A lot of different bass rhythmsthroughout the song, the chorus
.
The song picks up late, gettingthat B walk down in the guitar
solo.
Roger Waters doing everythingin this song.

(01:05:15):
Gilmore even today stillcredits Roger Waters for this
being his song.
So if we get to the outro andthis is a song that takes a
minute, but if we get to theoutro, and this song takes a
minute, but if we get a littlebit further down for the outro,
roger Waters drew up theflashcards to show people that
were in the studio.
Each card had somephilosophical question and they

(01:05:38):
included the answers.
Not the questions, but theanswers were recorded and
included in the outro song.
This part is really good.
Paul McCartney was in thestudio but for whatever reason
his answer was not recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
So now, why would you ?
Why would you include a beetle?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
on your album, I know I mean it's not like the studio
is named for them or anythingUm good point, I didn't know, I
didn't know about that until Ilistened to this a few different
times getting ready for thisepisode Stone Cold, but it's
very noticeable at the end.
So let's get to the part thateverybody wants to talk about.
If you've heard this the Wizardof Oz connection you've heard

(01:06:20):
this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I've heard it.
I've never done it, but I'mfamiliar with what you speak.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Okay, so do you know what the deal is with it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
It's like if you start Dark Side of the Moon at a
certain point in that movie,you know the climax is I don't
know, something like that.
Okay, something like that.
It follows the music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
The movie follows the music.
I've never done this.
Okay, okay.
But if you start the dark sideof the moon cd on the third roar
of the mgm lion at the verybeginning, yeah, money will
start exactly as the film goesto color.

(01:06:59):
That's interesting.
In 1992, more movie stuff,so-called quentin tarantino
wanted to use money in ReservoirDogs Okay, in that very opening
sequence.
But at the last minuteTarantino heard the song Little
Green Bag, speaking of amazingbass intros by George Baker

(01:07:20):
Selection, and he used thatinstead and that's a really good
tune.
Okay, and an incredible bassintro to Little Green Bag.
So Money was almost even morefamous.
But if you hear that song, youknow that song, little Green Bag
, you'll be like that sounds alittle bit more Tarantino than
Money does.
But Stone Cold Money, pinkFloyd, roger Waters on bass

(01:07:42):
makes my perfect album.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
This song is played in 7-4 time, just to piss
drummers off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yes, but the time changes.
I think it's not 7-4 the wholetime.
I think they changed it alittle bit Sax solo, guitar solo
they changed it up a little bit.
But yes, the famous timesignature is a really big deal
for all you music theorists outthere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
This song did not make my perfect album side.
It is one of my honorablementions, it's just not my
favorite song.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I understand.
Well, it's not mine either, butwe go.
You know, it's an iconic bassintro.
I can't believe we're not goingto have an overlap on this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Well, you've still got one more and I've got one
more.
Maybe it's the same.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Ah well, Because this song.
You know it's on my perfectalbum side.
It should be on yours.
I feel that way about all mysongs, though If I could only
find my notes on this song, we'dbe good to go.
Tell me when you're ready forme to play and I will do so.

(01:08:48):
It's all you?
Okay, then let me play the lastsong on my perfect album side,
and it should be the last songon your perfect album side.
If it's not, then we're goingto have a discussion, Fingers
crossed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
A discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
It's got to be, it has to be right.
Here come old Flat Top.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
He come grooving up slowly.
Got juju eyeball.
He want holy roller.
He got hair down to his knee.
Got to be a joker.
Hair down to his knee.
Got to be a joker.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
He'd just do what he please it always pisses me off
that it doesn't go into thechorus right there, but they do.
A whole other verse cometogether by a band called the
Beatles, released October of1969 in the US.
Halloween of 1969 in the US,halloween of 69 in the UK.

(01:09:49):
Off the album, theaforementioned Abbey Road
songwriters John Lennon creditedto Lennon and McCartney
producer George Martin, ofcourse recording at EMI Studios
now Abbey Road Studios, who wejust talked about recorded in
the summer of 1969, a number onehit on the US Billboard Hot 100

(01:10:09):
, but only goes to four in theirhometown there in the UK, but
top ten all over the world.
Number 202 on the infamousRolling Stone 500 Greatest Songs
of All Time.
Induction of the Grammy Hall ofFame.
Featured in the Rock and RollHall of Fame's 500 Songs that
shaped rock and roll.
Uh, the bass player let's talkabout this loser.
Uh, his name, sir James PaulMcCartney.

(01:10:33):
Uh, liverpool, england, june18th 1942.
Uh, I mean, quite simply, themost famous rock star ever, full
stop.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I 100% agree.
No doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I have seen Paul McCartney in concert.
Phenomenal, I mean like I'msaying anything that the world
doesn't know, but it was veryentertaining.
I'll say that much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I've not seen him, but I have pledged that if he
tours again which I think he'sgoing to I would go back and see
him.
He's 83, 84, 83 this year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
That's insane.
You can outlive Brian Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
He's 83 in six days.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
McCartney's bass line is the defining element of the
song, this weird rolling, swampygroove that underpins the whole
track.
It's a phenomenal bass line.
It's instantly recognizable.
I think Aerosmith had a prettysuccessful cover of this song.
You know, 10 years later, to meit's one of the most

(01:11:35):
recognizable bass lines of alltime and it had to make my
perfect album side.
Should I ask you now is thissong on your perfect album side?
Is it the final song and is itthe only one that will be on
mine and on yours?
Hence, on V no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Ah, son of a bitch, it's not.
It's not, but I love this songa lot.
It's not one of my favoriteBeatles songs, but when we talk
about what an iconic bass introsounds like, it's this.
I like the Aerosmith versiontoo.
Not going to lie, I couldn'ttell which version it was, but
then again I was like you wouldnever put the cover on when the
Beatles are the ones that did itfirst.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I mean, if Paul McCartney's involved, I'm going
to put him on there.
Interesting thing about Ringo'sdrums on this one he put tea
towels over the tops of hisdrums to give it a much tighter
sound, and it's kind of a littlebit of his signature sound.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
You know a lot of drummers have copied it since.
But John Lennon rolls the tomsat the very beginning.
You hear what the muted keytowels are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
John Lennon plays hand claps and tambourine.
Again, we talked aboutAerosmith, but Gary Clark Jr and
Michael Jackson also had prettysuccessful covers of this one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Really yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
You should go back and listen to Michael Jackson's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I don't know if that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I think Thunder Thumbs plays on it Full circle.
See what we did there.
Full circle.
Look, it's one of the Beatles'most iconic tracks.
They're one of the most iconicrock bands of all time, if not
the and this is, you know, to metheir biggest bass song.
It absolutely had to make theperfect album side and I can't
believe it didn't make yours.
I'm disappointed in you as afriend, as a human and, more

(01:13:10):
importantly, as a bass player.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I accept all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
As well you should, as well you should.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And I'm sorry, but that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Don't apologize to me , apologize to our listeners and
Sir Paul McCartney.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Apologize to them.
Apologize to them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
What's the final song on your Perfect Albums song?
Oh gosh, see, you're settingyourself up, you're setting
everybody up for disappointment.
No, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
But, like I said, I thought you were going with the
Aerosmith version.
No, because I couldn't reallytell.
But then I said, you know, he'sgoing to be smart about it,
he's not going to do the cover.
But speaking of Aerosmith, hereis my final song.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Vibra Slap.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Listen to this one, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Okay, that's Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and I was
holding on.
You heard the viberslap.
You heard Stone Cold say thatOn the fourth hit of the
viberslap it breaks, it breaks.
They left it in Talk box intro.
Talk box intro Steve Perry orJoe Perry.

(01:14:50):
I'm mixing up my journey and myAerosmith, joe Perry, talking
into the talk box.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Joe Perry was an Aerosmith, steve.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Perry was in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Journey.
Steve Perry knows shit.
William Perry played for theBears in the mid-80s.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
That's good.
Everybody knows this bass introStone.
It's a great, great song toplay with a pick.
I'm not a huge pick user on thebass, but I have started to
pick that up just a little bitno pun intended, pick that up,
come on oh, that is true.
Look what you did there.
Uh, this is a great picks onthat strum pattern is.
Strum pattern is so free,casual, you kind of hear it.

(01:15:23):
Uh, it's also one of the mostrecognizable bass intros of all
time.
Another nugget we just said thevibra slap at the 23 second
mark.
Listen to this, folks, on yourown spare time.
Steven tyler breaks the vibraslap and if you listen super
close you can hear him say shitas he breaks it musical mistakes
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Nothing we enjoy more than that gosh, I really.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
But I'll say this.
There's another piece to this.
He tries to make up for thesound that he's not getting out
of the broken vibra.
Slap Howard Stern, I'll givehim credit.
Friend of the program.
He's the one that got StevenTyler up to break that secret.
Tom Hamilton on bass forAerosmith.
He wrote this song, sweetEmotion.

(01:16:06):
He also wrote Janey's Got a Gun.
Tom Hamilton on bass forAerosmith.
He wrote this song, sweetEmotion, as he also wrote
Janie's Got a Gun.
Hamilton and Joe Perry gotstarted with a band called the
Jam Band and after one of theirshows Steven Tyler joined them
to form another band and Tylerplayed drums Stone Cold.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, steven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Tyler's actually a really good drummer.
Matter of fact, if you go backand watch the making of the
album Pump, you'll see him sitdown behind the kid a lot in the
making of the video.
It's really cool.
He's a good drummer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
I didn't know that until three or four days ago.
Yeah, unnamed power trio.
But then Joey Kramer joinedthem as a drummer.
Let Tyler focus solely onvocals.
Brad Whitford joined there,became Harris.
But Hamilton wrote this song.
Perry says sweet emotion in thetalk box.
The song peaked on the chartsat number 36, which is not

(01:16:53):
surprising, number 36.
It doesn't have the same ring toit, does it?
It doesn't.
And there's a lot more to say.
It's a lot more full.
Yeah, now one instrument, stonecold.
After all these many episodeson the Deluxe Perfect Album Side
podcast we've never talkedabout, steven Tyler replaces the
Viberslap with a sugar packet.

(01:17:14):
That's what we do.
A sugar packet, yeah.
Is that a potential?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
topic alert Unique instruments Non-instrument
instruments.
I think we've done a uniqueinstruments episode.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, but those are still instruments.
Sugar packet is not aninstrument.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
We'll consult the staff and the lawyers and maybe
we can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I also want to maybe look into the possibility of a
Talk Box episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I can be down for that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
But songs that are recorded with packages of food
this would be on there Might bemy number one, it's probably top
two.
Sweet Emotion off Toys in theAttic, 1975, stone Cold, tom
Hamilton, and that epic, epicpick bass line makes my perfect
album side and that wraps myperfect album side.

(01:18:06):
And that wraps a non-overlapperfect album side.
And that wraps my perfect albumside.
And that wraps a non-overlapperfect album side.
And I am stunned.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
12 songs of bass.
Beauty, beautiful, beautiful,big-bottomed bass.
Oh, so much bottom,big-bottomed bass.
Yeah, I mean, that was a full12 songs.
This episode is going to be twohours long.
Normally we've had some overlap, but not today.
I will say this as far ashonorable mentions are concerned

(01:18:31):
, I had both money and sweetemotion.
I went back and forth betweenthe Beatles and Aerosmith for my
last song, so I'm glad you putsweet emotion on there.
A couple of other honorablementions, if you don't mind.
We talked about another oneBites the Dust Long motion.
On there.
A couple other honorablementions, if you don't mind.
We talked about Another OneBites the Dust Long View by
Green Day.
That's a pretty good one.
Brick House by the Commodoresand then I Can't Tell you why by

(01:18:56):
the Eagles.
Timothy B Schmidt.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Fantastic song and a good bass line there too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Considered an epic bassist.
Timothy B is A couple honorablementions for me and a couple
things I came across that Iwasn't aware of.
This is speaking of Nirvana,speaking of Nevermind.
See how full that bass is.
That's Lounge Act.

(01:19:25):
We have to mention John.
That bass is yeah.
Uh, that's lounge act.
Uh, you can't.
You can't.
We have to mention JohnEntwistle.
Yeah, boris the Spider, one ofmy favorites.
Um, here's one.
Stone Cold.
Tell me where you've heard thissong before this.
Better yet, tell me whereyou've heard this bass intro
before.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Does that sound familiar to you.
It sounds like uh Boy, am Itesting you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
on this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
It sounds like Super Mario Brothers to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
It's not.
It's the intro to MTV News.
Oh, right, right, right, and itis off.
The song Peace Sells byMegadeth, which is also amazing.
I referenced Little Green Bag,the song used inells by Megadeth
, which is also amazing.
I referenced Little Green Bag,the song used in Reservoir Dogs.
Yeah, I thought I'd it's agreat intro.
Real quick, I thought I'd givea little bit of a taste.
Go on, and I mean I could go onfor hours.

(01:20:32):
Please't, please, don't.
We've.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
We've done I won't, don't, don't go on, please don't
do that.
That's that's, that's too much.
Um, all right, I am trying togive you my parchment.
I have your parchment already,you have my parchment.
Yeah, I do, I wrote it down.
That is hold please.
That is so nice.
Hold, please.
As I'm having slight technicaldifficulties, we'll edit this
part out, all right.
Well, we have reached that timeof the program.

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Kids, for those of you that arenew listeners to the show, at
this point we would build theperfect album side.
Normally, you know, normally wewould say, okay, it was on mine
, it was on yours, hence it's onthe.
Not a single crossover.
And I am, I am floored, floored.
You said three and a half.
I mean, what kind of crazypills are you on?

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
I I'll tell you, I thought sweet emotion would be
on yours.
I thought I thought, uh, money,no, no, no, no, sweet emotion,
jeremy.
And I thought money, no, oh, no, no, no, sweet emotion, jeremy.
And I thought another one bitesthe dust would absolutely be on
yours.
Those were the three that I wasthinking.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
All right.
Well, let's get down to it.
We used to do this a lot, whereyou would say, you know, I
would say to you hey, take alook at my perfect downside,
I'll look at yours, rule one ofmine in, and I will do the same
for you.
And from there we will start tocraft, to build, to construct
whatever you want to call it.
The perfect album side.
Oh, he says it's easy.
What is the first song on theperfect album side that comes

(01:21:53):
from mine?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
From your list.
Shoot go.
What's the what?
What makes the cut, billie?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Jean, please, billie Jean, by Michael Jackson from
Thriller makes the perfect albumside.
As I look at your list, one ofthem comes to mind, and it's the
one that I wish that I hadthought of and I didn't.
Jeremy, the 12-string acousticbass has made the perfect album

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side.
Of all the way to the bass, wegot PJ and MJ to start Michael
Jackson, pearl Jam.
Now let's go the opposite way.
Take a look at mine and ruleone of them out.
One of these has no businessbeing on the perfect album.
I know what you're going to say.
I can see it in your eyes andit upsets me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
It upsets me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Which one You're going to rule out?
Salvation Army.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
No, I'm not because of that.
I'm ruling out Come Together.
No, I'm not.
Because of that I'm ruling outCome Together.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
What, okay?
You mean the Beatles?
Yeah, paul McCartney, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
That's right, I said it, wow Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
I've got a plan I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Now I'm going to start Don't be vindictive.
I'm going to be vindictive andeliminate songs out of spite you
don't wear that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
well, steve, don't be vindictive.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
No truth be told, if I had to eliminate one of yours,
to me it's an easy choice, Notbecause it's a bad bass line, I
just don't think it's one of themost iconic.
I don't think that the majorityof humans would hear this bass
line and know this song.
Song Uh I wish by Stevie wonderis is not very recognizable in
my mind, so that one uh does notmake the perfect album side.

(01:23:31):
Um, I'd like to rule out a fewmore of yours out of spite, but
I won't do that cause I'm aprofessional.
Where do we go?

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
And we thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yeah, all right.
Uh, tell me, if you only gotone spot, you got one spot with
yours what song absolutely hasto be on there from yours?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Number one hit, that'd be Another One.
Bites the Dust.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Another One Bites the Dust, which you know.
Is it possible that we couldhave two songs by Queen on the
Perfect Album side?
Another One Bites the Dust.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
I mean it's possible?

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
It's not in the parchment, it's not in the P
album side.
Another one bites the dust.
I mean it's possible, it's notin the parchment, it's not in
the PAS constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Well, because, in all honesty, if you were to put a
gun to my head and say, hey, youhave to pick one of your songs
to be on the perfect album side,there's no doubt in my mind
it's Under Pressure by Queen andDavid Bowie.
Really, yeah, I mean, to me itwas my first one, I mean Vanilla
.
Ice, first one, you thought ofFirst one I thought of and
Vanilla Ice.
I mean, come on, okay, not tomention, yours was stolen by one

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of mine.
You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Look I so.
Can we go back?
Are we solidifying underpressure?
I don't know.
I've got the quill dipping inink.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
In my mind, we would be doing this planet a
disservice if, under Pressure byQueen and David Bowie, did not
make the perfect album side ofAll the Way to the Base.
At the same time, another onebites the dust.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going toargue with it.
Yeah, okay, there's, there's.
No, I mean, it's our show.
We own this thing I know I knowthere's no right, there's no

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wrong answer queen.
Another one bites the dust andunder pressure, this is.
You know, there's gonna bepeople that are driving in their
cars that are gonna have topull over because they're so
angry there's rage.
I cannot and I hate to get offtopic.
This episode's going to go onforever, but a lot of the times
when I get feedback about thisprogram, about the Perfect Album
Side podcast, the feedback thatI get most often is you know

(01:25:35):
what?
I found myself yelling at youin my car.
I get that all the time and yousay thanks for listening.
Yeah, thanks for listening.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, but Iget that one a lot and I have a
feeling today is going to be nodifferent.
There's going to be peoplescreaming at us in their cars,
on their tractors, during theirjogs, on the subway, whatever
they do.
Isn't that what we?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
want to do.
Provoke thought, provokeresponse.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
What we're provoking is outrage.
Wyndham, wyndham, wind themOutrage.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
No one is going to drive in their car listening to
this saying they nailed it.
All six of those are amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
We got two spots left on this list and we've got
multiple songs to choose from.
Let's do it again.
Take a look at mine.
You got to put one of mine onand I got to put one of yours on
.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I think I got it.
I already know what I'm goingwith it.
Talk to me, and this is theexact opposite of what you
thought.
You saw in my blue eyes, whichis seven nation nation army, wow
, aka salvation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
This album side has just taken a shocking turn.
All right, we've got one spotleft and as I look at yours,
first of all, I'm not puttingmoney on there, for a couple
reasons.
One, I don't like that song.
Two, I don't like 7-4 timing.
That's just out of spite nerddrummer sweet emotion and dazed

(01:26:56):
and confused.
I think sweet emotion is themore recognizable of the two,
but I also know exactly howangry and how large of a man
that you are.
If Dazed and Confused did notmake the perfect album side, so
for that reason, led Zeppelin,john Paul Jones, is going to
make the perfect album side forthe first time, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I was going to be spitting venom if we put two
John Deacon Queen songs andriffs for that matter on the
perfect album side and did notinclude another John of the Paul
Jones variety?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yes, Well, I can't believe I'm saying this, but
this is the perfect album sideof all the way to the base.
Billie Jean by Michael Jackson,jeremy by Pearl Jim Another One
Bites the Dust and UnderPressure by Queen and a little
bit of David Bowie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I think there was some under pressure to make this
perfect album side from both ofus.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
I mean, and we're not the biggest Queen fans on earth
, but here we are.
This has never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I can't believe two Queens.
I can't believe it, I reallycan't 50 years from now, people
will talk about this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
This is where things really got hairy, that's right
Mushroom Cloud Seven.
Nation Army by the WhiteStripes and Dazed and Confused
by Led Zeppelin.
It was such a good song theynamed a movie after it.
Pretty good movie too.
That's not bad.
Yeah, that's not a bad one, youknow, and I think the good news
is, with the honorable mentionsthat we talked about, I think
we've hit them all.

(01:28:24):
We've hit them all, We've donegood work here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
We've hit them all and let's do this too.
Billie Jean 80s.
Jeremy 90s.
Another One Bites is 80s, underPressure is 80s, 80s, seven
Nation Army, 2000s Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Confused 60s or 70s, 60s, 1969?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Yep, and so we missed out on a couple 70s songs which
we would have gotten with moneywhich we would have gotten with
Sweet Emotion.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
I Wish yeah or Good Times by Chic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Oh, good Times by Chic.
That's a good one.
Good Times by Chic?
Maybe that should have.
Yeah and hey, everybody, let'shear from you.
This is a big, big topic, right, and we talked about this as we
were trying to put somethingtogether Big bottomed bass, big
bottom, big bass, big topic.
Let us hear from you on thesocial sites of what you think.
How did we do?

(01:29:17):
Okay, you're not going to tellus how right we were, but you
may tell us.
You'll love to tell us, you'llbe proud to tell us where we
missed.
So let us hear from you on thesocial sites Twitter, at
PerfectAlbumSID, let's hear whatyou think.
I'm curious because I knowthere are songs out there that
we didn't get and I want to hearwhat those are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Well, I disagree.
I think we nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I think we nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I just think people have something to say Any
feedback that isn't affirmingeverything that we just said is
wrong you know how I feel aboutthat.
You know how I feel about that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I know how you feel about feedback opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
I got it.
Do yourselves a favor and gospend a couple of minutes
listening to the song 80s, can'twait by Killing Joke from 1984.
And it's the same thing asNirvana.
Alright, good, perfect albumside, my man, we got lots of
Queen in here.
Congratulations to you,congratulations to me.

(01:30:17):
We're fantastic.
What an episode.
I don't know what the nextepisode is all about, but I
can't wait for it to start.
Good to see you, my friend.
Goodbye you too, laterno-transcript.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
See you next time.
We'll be you next time.