Looking Into the Future of Podcasting

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(00:14):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Sorry, I
had a metronome. I was hittingrecord and there was a metronome going.
You see, if I can changethe classic music person, you know,
like happens all the time. Iremember my first recording. Is it hardcast
media? Oh? Shoot, sorryabout that? Oh somebody that's that's worse

(00:38):
than a metronome. I think someparty the Jetsons, and it's a future
calling. I gotta go. It'sthe future from the eighties actually was Yeah,
what was the Jetsons? They werelike the future but it was actually
like nineteen ninety two from kind ofthere. Yeah, well supposedly they were

(01:00):
like a bunch of movies like SoilentGreen was set for twenty two. Yeah,
they're people people. Yeah, sorry, boy, today, have it
wrong? Just kidding? A world'son fire or whatever. I mean,
it's frozen. Yeah, that's right. It's either frozen or it's on fire

(01:21):
and stuck on the highway for twentyfour hours. Seriously, do you know
anybody got stuck? I wasn't.Oh God, Fight of Virginia they were
yeah, craziness. Yeah. Ihad to make the obligatory smart as post
yesterday. I was like so Iheard it snowing, because like everybody was
supposed to look at where I'm at, look at me, sunshine and rainbows,

(01:45):
well sunshine anyway, but not allof us can say that. I
know, I know, I'm sorry. I was about to like keep going,
and I was like, let mejust reel this in. I was
coming up with names for the snowstorm, like old wet ass twenty twenty two.
I thought that was a contender.They called it they had a snowball
fight. Oh yeah, they callit snow macron or whatever. Yeah,

(02:14):
yeah, man, what a messwe got to see. It's just the
way it is. Well, youknow it's bad when like Colorado's on fire
and DC's covered in snow. It'slike, wait, isn't it supposed to
be the opposite? Well, well, big, look at that. Nobody
should be on fire. Really,but you know, when a mess when

(02:37):
a mess. So happy New Year, man. I have a fun game
for us to play. All right, all right, go, I've been
thinking of this, but like atleast twenty minutes. I'm just kidding.
Um. All right, So here'sthe game. We're both gonna we're all
gonna come up with two predictions forpodcasting in twenty twenty two, and one
is going to be something that youreally believe, and then something has to

(02:59):
be completely absurd, and then atthe end of the year, we're going
to see which one actually happened.Because my money is uncompletely absurd. This
I was not prepared for me either. That's but that's why it's gonna be
fun. Exactly lead off, becauseyou've had twenty minutes ahead of us here,
that's right. So well, youknow, I hadn't actually thought that
far in advanced but but but I'llgive it my best shot, all right.

(03:21):
So um, all right, Wellwe'll start with the real one,
and then that gives everybody time tothink about the crazy one. Okay,
So I think I think podcasting numbersare going to continue to boom. I
think they're already back on the rise, you know, like they're they're going
back to pandemic levels, even thoughpeople aren't necessarily in pandemic lockdown, I

(03:44):
mean a little bit, but notas much. Um. I think branded
podcasts are going to be a lotmore front and center, you know,
intentional content companies creating content. Ithink it's gonna be there's gonna be major
disruption with the podcast advertising dollars,Like all the money that's going into podcasts
advertising and leaving other spaces, Ithink is going to be really disruptive to

(04:09):
a lot of industries. And Ithink we're gonna see a whole lot of
frauds. That's I think we're gonnasee a whole lot of people getting in
trouble for inflating numbers, companies gettingbad money, taking bad deals. I
think that it's like in the wildworld west of you know, like opportunities

(04:30):
right now, and I think someof the wrong people are going to come
into that space, and it's notsuper regulated, So I think we're going
to see more fallout and fuckery fromall the like mergers and acquisitions, and
anytime you have billions of dollars inan industry, there's going to be some
fuckery. So yeah, yeah,there's gonna be people trying to cheat the
system and make money in not sohealthy ways. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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that's my real prediction for twenty twentytwo. Those are good ones, man,
you took all the good ones.Oh I probably should have just said
it. I said, I'll saywhat. Molly says ditto, Adam says
ditto. Yeah, that's also hmmm. So I haven't had a tenn to
speak about this either. Let's seerealistic. We're just doing realistic ones right

(05:24):
now. We're doing first because Igot it. I got a crazy one,
but we'll save that one. Um. I mean, mine's pretty safe.
I guess I'm seeing a lot ofpeople that are hinting at, including
yours, truly hinting at getting trainingplatforms, rolling to help podcasters elevate their
production quality, their content quality,just helping us all become better podcasters.

(05:48):
And I think that's awesome. Uh. Aeriel nissan Blatt from squad Cast and
Sounds Profitable posted something about how,hey, when you're getting on these ideas
about making these new platforms, whydon't you And I don't know what she's
referring to, but I of courseapplied it to my own thing, like
why don't you check and make suresomebody else isn't already doing that? And

(06:10):
yes, there are some training platformsfor podcasters out there, but not ones
that I think have been super helpfulso far. So I think there's going
to be and along with that thediversity element. I'm looking forward to seeing
more buy POC, people of youknow, leading the way, and that's
what I'm here to help do thebest I can in my own way.

(06:33):
So big bang boom, all right, Adam, no pressure. So there's
a couple of ways to play it, I guess, but I'm gonna go
this way. I think that thislast year, twenty was a big year

(06:56):
for USB microphones. Used to bemicrophones, used to be garbage. Then
some good ones came out and theneverybody cared. Twenty one came around.
People could go back outside, peopleget back together, and so you saw
a lot of at least from myend of things, I can only see
what people buying what they do withthem. But they were buying more mixers,

(07:20):
and they are buying multiple microphones.They were doing podcasts together, which
I don't think is gone. ButI think that with at least presently with
COVID, and we're all finding efficiencieslike week, well we kind of went
back and you know what, thisway it doesn't suck so bad that you're
going to see a gravitation towards ourpreference more towards creating this way. I

(07:43):
think that in a room podcast scenario, so I think that you'll use more
tools like riverside. Then you willlike and there will be no podcast nix
or bigger than a roadcaster, right, there's no The people that buy the

(08:07):
ones that have more inputs don't usesix inputs for a podcast, right,
Right. So I think that thingslike the short Envy seven found its place.
Maybe some other products like that thatare hybrid that like, you may

(08:28):
not use it for the group setting, but you don't want to shoot yourself
from the foot and invest in somethingthat's a one trick pony. Right.
The hope is going to be thatpeople actually pick and I think that that
kind of lends on what you bothsaid, like people got to step the
game up. People gotta like takethings up a notch, invest in themselves

(08:48):
kind of thing. So hopefully you'llsee a rise in people actually caring about
product quality and the value that itprovides and the separation between the people that
are just getting into it and arenot invested in the full medium of podcasting

(09:09):
and those that are into it.And it doesn't need to be not saying
these you know, two hundred andfifty bucks MB seven, you're you got
the gear that makes it work,you know what I mean? So,
um, I think that this mediumis around us stay this one, Yes,
I agree, and I think thatwe'll see more enhancements around that and

(09:33):
having that feel and end and becommonplace. It's still for those in the
know, it's it's the jam,but I think what you'll see a welcoming,
a welcoming of it. I thinkso too. I think people were
like, yeah, we're gonna getback together again, and then it's like,

(09:54):
no, this is too consating months. Yeah, this is just for
now. No it's not and it'snot right and it's not going anywhere.
And I think people, businesses andother people saw people have success with the
podcast but thought it was going tobe fleeting, and now they're realizing no
podcasts have been here and they're definitelynot going anywhere. And just all the
benefits of being able to go remote. I mean from a business perspective,

(10:18):
we have global clients, you know, yep, and we produce the podcast
out of Belgium right now, youknow what I mean, So like anything
is possible. But at the sametime, our clients can interview people in
other countries and they couldn't do thatbefore in my studio and DuPont Circle,
you know, not to mention thetime, traveling, parking, and then
now you got to say, iseverybody tested? When did you get tested?

(10:39):
You know what I mean, there'sso many other yeah, influences.
Now it's like why it's almost alittle nostalgic. But at the end of
the day, it's really not convenientat all, you know, And I
still lean if I were going todo I'd like to be in a room
with people, Like I feed offpeople's energy, Like I like I like
that energy. Like I like,if I'm gonna have a meeting at work,

(11:01):
efficiency wise, I want to doit this way, right, I
want to be able to have mynose do my thing. But like sometimes
sometimes you need more. Sometimes youneed that kind of human interaction and you
just vibe off of each other andit's a little easier. There's no other
distractions. You're in a room withthe people. So like, I'm not
saying that that's going away, andI think that the I think at a

(11:24):
certain point, creating a studio,whether other people come to it, there's
value to it. Right, ifyou could molly where you are, have
someone with you locally, I don'tknow, there's it'll be interesting because like
I could see value in doing it, but like if you create this way,
then it's actually not as good todo that in the one space because
you have different You've you've kind ofnegated the multi track. All the things

(11:46):
we talked about about like that areimportant about recording, like to do this
and the same. I had theexperience when we did it at the store.
We did our streams. We usestream yard, and when they were
multiple of multiple people of us inone space, it actually was quite to
figure it out. It's easier whenso we would go to separate separate areas
of the store and stream it onourselves. That's hilarious because it was just

(12:07):
easier just to give the Kia webcamthan to say, Okay, we need
this lens and this, this this, and we switch like production and I'm
talking about you get mic bleed withall the people in the same room.
Like from a professional standpoint, thisis more isolated, it's easier to edit.
It sounds better because we're all inseparate on our own space. I
wonder if there's a world where youcould be set up to do both.

(12:31):
I am like you, but butyou you can do it, but your
space is not set up for multimikesright there. Yes, well, yes
it is as an interview set up, absolutely, and I do That's what
I do for challenge accept it.I will send some pictures in of one
of my the one client I havethat I do in person interviews, and

(12:52):
half the time it's three to fivepeople in one room and then I'm and
I'm the only one wearing a mask. Let's not go there. But uh,
the other half of the time isuh two it's it's two co hosts
that are both psychologists and we're talkingto someone via riverside. So I have

(13:15):
my mixed pre with two mics theyhave. I have a headphone box.
It's not easy, it's complicated.I bring my camera. So yeah,
so you know, but I cando it. But you can do it.
It's not that it's not possible,and it's just the question is like,
easier to do it this way?You're you're a season professional and you
know how to make that work,right, I would I would venture to

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say that most podcasters are not seasonedaudio professionals. They're enough to be dangerous
and they can figure it out.But to do something like that took a
little for I mean, putting someeffort and planning into things can make a
lot of difference. And once youfigure that out, now for you it's
like, oh, of course whatever, like the Wig deal. But nevertheless,
I think the trend for this isto stay around, and I think

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that there'll be there'll be a lotmore around this sort of creation, the
sort of multi stream creation. Yes, let's get crazy with it. Now
that we're all fired up, gotthe juice is flowing. This is what
I think is gonna happen. It'sgonna be like some lost in Space shit.
Spotify is gonna buy it too.Yeah. That the show that I

(14:20):
like, literally hate myself for watching. Every time I watch it, I'm
like, why when did I loseall of my respect for myself? I
think Spotify is gonna buy everything selfimplode, go bankrupt, and then all
these like homeless podcasters will be wanderingaround the planet looking for a new home.

(14:41):
I love it. And Joe Roganis going to beam up in his
spaceship. See that was my crazyone is that Joe Rogan gets booted from
Spotify or he leaves because they startcensoring him too much. He might leaven
just pay whatever contract fee. Yeah, or he can run for president.
Oh that's like, what did that? Could be the wildcard right there?

(15:03):
What what was his minimum? Isaw somebody wrote about his minimum ad fee
for his show right now. It'slike a million dollars or something like that.
He's the fucking super Bowl of podcasting. That's yeah, yeah, crazy,
yeah yeah. I saw some charton the internet, which is always
correct, but um and it hadlike share of ear and it was like

(15:24):
Joe Rogan was like this and thenit was like CNN associated and I was
like, that's what's too crazy tocome true, but could maybe still happen
exactly. People people will know whatgood audio is. We're working on it.

(15:52):
We're working on it. That's justout of line, Adam, That's
just that came off wrong. Piein this guy. My hope, my
hope dream is that people that peopledo know dude, So Alex her Mosy
and like we need to tag himin this. You know, lord,
when you do the show notes,please tag him in this. Alex her
Mosey wrote that book One hundred MillionDollars Offers that I'm like super jazzed about.

(16:15):
It's like fantastic book. And Igot to like saw a notification that
he's like a podcast. I waslike, oh sweet, so I'd like
subscribe to it and I get thefirst episode I'm pumped is like seven minutes.
I'm like, perfect. He seemsto do him every couple of days
I opened up. Sounds like he'srecording from a fucking tune. I can
I'm like, bro, you can'ttell people that you make twelve million dollars
a week and then sound like that, Like, I can't listen to your

(16:37):
podcast. I refuse to listen toit. It's it's worse than that.
It sounds like he's recording it onspeakerphone in his bathroom while he's on the
shitter. It's like, yeah,so bad. And I'm like, come
on, Alex Man, like whyare you even doing this? Man?
Like, I can't. I can'tdo it. I can't do it.
It's interesting, it's interesting in podcastingthat like, and I guess it's kind

(17:00):
of nice in a way to apoint, but like content supersedes everything most
of the time. Well that andand people like to think it does.
But yeah, you do talk tothis like a metal straw. That's what

(17:22):
it sounds. That's basically it's aplastic straw. Oh my god, you're
like, welcome to Wendy's, gonnatake your order. That's what it sounds
like. That's that's pretty much.It's logic every every call center ever,
That's exactly it. It's a LogitechH whatever three ninety or whatever, the
twenty thirty dollars special that people think, Hey, this is fine for my

(17:42):
guests, this is fine for meas a podcaster. It's Jesus H.
Christ is what it is. That'sright. So if this is yeah,
this, this is what Adam iswilling to not happen, and me too,
I'm one hundred percent with Adam onthis. That's still better than a
laptop microphone. Though, uh maybein some ways I can make a laptop

(18:08):
microphone sound good when I have toum like the mic is jammed up your
nostrils somewhere else sounds like, butit sounds probably similar with this. Wow.

(18:29):
All right, Well before we getinto mics, Marcus, we still
need your crazy prediction. I didmind it was stole half of it.
Yeah it was Joe Roken. Wellallow it. Yeah, all right,
now let's talk about microphones. Firstthing I need you to do is throw
that fucking thing out the window.Mark is. Take it off and don't

(18:52):
ever put it back on it.Throw it at a kid. It's nice.
It's fun to be on this sideof things. I see what you
guys are living. I see theway you guys live on the not terrible
microphone side of things. Yeah,I really like the microphone you're using,
Adam. Why don't you tell meabout that a little bit? This,
this guy is a dark horse.This is this is not Uh, you're

(19:15):
too close to it now, youdon't see You don't see this guy too
often. This is the audis USBtwelve. It's a very classy. It
sounds good. Oh, it's likea podium mic. It's got a oh
you can push mut it very veryclassy. And it's USB only USB only.

(19:40):
That would be killer if it wasUSB and XLR only. Although it's
got a headphone out that I'm notusing it does. Can you can you
hear it with zero latency monitoring?Well, that's fine out real time right
here, it's live. Hello.Can you hear yourself? Say? I

(20:03):
can't hear yourself? Oh, butI'm not using that as my interfation.
You can't hear us? And we'reback? Could you hear yourself. No,
okay, so it does not.No, I couldn't hear you.
I might, I could maybe hearme. It's hard to I couldn't tell.
I can never myself. I don'tknow. It's so natural, just

(20:26):
sounds like my natural voice in myhead. But it is cool. It's
twelve in schoos neck microphone, rightin your face, movement metals like everything
about its metal. It's very littlepro and it's not a lot of money
yet. Yeah, how much Quanto'squest to ask me more Quanto's quests us.
Oh, it's Spanish. I didn'tmean to call you my love to

(20:48):
home. My bad tell your wife. I'm to say me amigo. I
don't know. It just gets alittle confusing sometimes if you're listening, I'm
sorry. One sixty nine. Whatbro, that's not bad at all,
man, that's not so good thenfor the for the for the business professional
that wants to look the part,stay on the part without something big and

(21:11):
goofy in their face. If they'reso, that's there, that's their ish
And it actually picks up less ofyour reverberant room as well. Yeah,
it really does that other mic you'vebeen using, which sounds great. But
it picks up everything in the room, and this one does not. This

(21:33):
one is helping with your lack ofmind control, is it? But if
you get too far away, Ithink it'll be bad this evening. Well,
No, it's like markets are justsaying, if you like lean or
kind of talk with the other one, you really disappear with this one.
You just get a little lower.But the the appig mic was so far
away from you already than any anymovement off Mike, we'd lose it.

(22:02):
True, true, But one sixtynine, dude, that's a solid microphone.
Man. We should put that onthe Podcast Equipment Guide of twenty twenty
two. Yeah, and it's not. It's not new. It's just just
kind of a sleeper most a lotof people don't know too much about it
gets the job done. I reallylike it. I could see my lawyer

(22:25):
clients really liking that microphone. Icould see my business clients like the ones
who were like, I don't wantokay, cool, just put those a
little peanut in your face. That'sit. Better than a Lavalier, better
than you know, because no,no clothing, noise, no, you
know, none of that's none ofthat nonsense and it's not a mile away
from me, like these crappy,right, you must have more shitty microphones

(22:51):
for for a guy that knows audio, you own more shitty microphones than anyone.
It's like we talked about in thelast show. I'm doing this so
other peopable, I'm doing this foryou so that this year I will I
will come to terms with that statementand allows this is for you, Adam.
I'm doing this for you because theseare so crappy. I'm gonna show
everybody how crappy these stupid things are. It sounds so bad, doesn't it?

(23:15):
But it was only sixteen bucks.Oh my god, you serie.
It's awful. It does have aheadphone out though, most like even the
snowball didn't have that. It soundslike you're making music in nineteen o five,
right, a little better, likeinto a grandma phone, a grandma

(23:41):
not a grandma phone, but agrand bad joke, Oh terrible. We're
just gonna pretend I didn't have snowballthe snowballs? Are you on the snowball
right now? I am on thesnowball now? Yu worse? It sounds
worse. It does sound worse.Way it sounds Wait, talk talk into
it. Let's do a real test. Say this is the snowball microphone,
and obviously, like I'm closer thananybody would normally be because they'll have it

(24:03):
sitting way down here by their keyboard, by their gayboarding. Oh crap,
I just it's time for the metric. It's time for the met Yeah.
So when you get close to it, it's not terrible. But you say,

(24:25):
you think the sixteen dollars amas onspecial. This is fifty bucks fifty
bucks and it's non enjoying myself,Marcus, it's huge. It doesn't have
headphones output, so you can't hearyourself. You're driving Adam to drink.
I like more. That's that's mygoal in life. Crap, I'm not
drinking for January for you. Butthe problem is one of my very good

(24:49):
friends is coming to visit me onSaturday. So I'm gonna have to put
that on pause for like a weekand then maybe just roll it over in
a February a week. It's fine, it's always next January. Who needs
self in trouble? I feel likeit's totally overrated. It needs it.
So you like this better than theSnowball? No? No, I don't.
I really don't. Okay, thesnowball distorted more. Oh well,

(25:14):
I might have just had the levelThat one just sounds like, like Molly
said, like you literally took atin can, yeah, and plug it
is can. I opened this upto see what the element was because it
actually looks kind of cool for sixteenbucks a little Ari twenty knockoff. Yeah,
but all the electronics are in thebottom of it right here, and

(25:37):
this is just one empty can.It's literally a can, and then you
have the element that's glued in.I can't get to it to see what
it's. So this is a disposablemicrophone. If you care anything about the
planet, don't bite these cheap Amazonknockoffs because they're all nobody cares them how
to planet. That's true. Iwonder how many you know, It is

(25:57):
amazing how many microphones that are outthere, and in my experience of that,
at a certain point there's like nuanceto microphones and they can get pretty
cool. You know, in podcastworld that's like around three hundred bucks for

(26:19):
a microphone, and then things startto sound different and interesting. It's remarkable
that there's thousands of different microphones outthere and people buy every single one of
them, Like, but too manyof them buy the blue yetti. But
like there's true but something's kind ofit's not like it's not like fashion.

(26:47):
It's not like it's not like theflavor of the week. Like it's functional,
you know, like car has fourwheels, you know, like the
microphone sounds like this and it's goodfor every podcast, Like I mean,
there's reason might sound better than yourvoice or okay, like there's that a
certain point. But for the mostpart, it's like there's a lot of

(27:07):
stuff out there, but there's acouple that are like the ones that have
proven their worth and that people agreethat this is you use this and it
sounds good, right seven b ritwenty Like there are reasonable and pop mic

(27:29):
you know, Audio Technica twenty forty, like the Zoom. There's you know,
there's ones that are made for thebut then there's like a thousand other
ones that are not. It's like, what did you who where did you
decide that that? Where did youdecide that the one that you just bought
for sixteen dollars it sounds terrible?Who else buys that? I know?

(27:49):
And who writes a good review forit? And where was someone's like,
oh man, you know what Igotta sound like that we we could find
them and we could harass them ourcloud, our show. We should have
to run our show. We shouldtry and find all these people that are
doing it wrong. That's true.Having run our show and have an intervention,

(28:10):
that's our that's our promise to youin twenty twenty two. How does
this sound We're coming for you,that's right? How does this mike sound?
Also bad? Not terrible? It'sthis is earbuds Monoprice earbuds fifteen bucks,
better than both, better than bothof the previous MinC Right, isn't

(28:32):
that surprising that the whole time likeyou're smoking an invisible joint. For some
of us, it's more comfortable thanothers. But um so, actually,
you know, I actually kind oflied, Adam. I'm not doing this
for you this video comparing all thesecrap mics. The purpose of my video,

(28:53):
which should be out by the timethis episode airs, is to demonstrate
the options that podcasters have if theyneed to send some one of their guests
a MIC and they don't have one, What is the best option to send
them? If I don't want tospend two hundred fifty dollars to send a
guest for a one time guest amicrophone to be on my podcast. What

(29:18):
is a viable option that will actuallywork, that will sound better than a
laptop microphone? And I will includea laptop microphone so that you can hear
the difference. So make sure youinclude a can with a string in it.
Well, that's this one. Thisfifteen dollars Amazon specials pretty much the
same thing. Fifteen dollars shipping included, yeah, marketable, Yeah, two

(29:41):
days, three children, only threechildren had to die to make that microphone
exactly. I mean in the economicsof it, just like don't make any
like you self, everything else,including shipping. Yeah, you pay Amazon
fifteen percent. You had to getit to Amazon. You had to pay
them fees. You had to makethe thing, so they had to order

(30:02):
tens of thousands, and they hadto pay like fifty cents to a dollar
maybe. Yeah, and like itwas a limited time deal. The regular
price is twenty bucks. So Isaved four dollars, but twenty bucks.
Yeah, like looking at a box, I mean, I guess the Amazon
has special cool rate. So let'slet's just say shipping is like two dollars,

(30:23):
like I don't know what are theymaking. I mean that's a super
valid point, as a super validpoint, like what is this costing them?
And yeah, they ordered bulk forsure, So like somewhere there's a
warehouse full of those things and Ibeat you, like ten out of fifteen.
They're going to sell all of themprobably. But here's the thing that

(30:48):
I want to make sure listeners walkaway with people who don't care about their
listeners. That's why I think goingto Amazon for that microphone and email everybody
that wrote a review, Well,it's people that don't know any better,
or people who are more worried aboutsaving twenty bucks than investing in a tool

(31:10):
that is worth trying to please yourlisteners. Because I can understand, you
know, if you can't afford theextra twenty bucks, godspeed to you.
But what's the sitting can called?H I don't even know. It's some
goofy name. I'll make sure thelink is in the show notes. It
was hard to find. I gotit because the phone. Yeah, But

(31:33):
what I wanted to say was thatto Adam's point about you know, the
shipping and everything, the reason,the value, the reason why you want
to spend two hundred fifty dollars onan MB seven compared to twenty dollars or
fifty dollars for a blue snowball.Is not just the audio quality that that

(31:53):
is obviously the biggest payoff, especiallylong term, but it's also because you're
supporting a reputable company that can actuallygive you support if you need it,
and you're going to be getting itfrom a supplier like Adam who can help
you if you ever run into problems, if you need help with it,
give you support, that sort ofthing. So you know, the Amazon

(32:16):
stuff comes with zero support. ButI'm actually returning it, so I'm actually
not buying. I'm going to sign, going to send it back after you're
doing a test. Well that's slightlyredeeming. Yeah, yeah, I don't
know. I think the people didn'tbuy a microphone like that are just like

(32:36):
kids on the internet, like peoplethat want to like record tiktoks and like
people who just I don't think theyreally know any better, you know.
And that's fine for the kids havingfun, absolutely, you know, But
if you're in if you're doing apodcast that you even as a hobby,
it's you know, would you callyourself a hobbyist photographer if you use the

(33:00):
tramatic cameras only and didn't actually evenjust get a well shoot camera. I
think really what it represents is like, like I have a friend Katie Nelson,
and you know, I got herset up with like a proper microphone,
and then after that she was like, damn you, You've ruined me.

(33:20):
Now I can't be on these callswith these heathens without microphone. She's
like, I never noticed before,and now I can't handle it, you
know. And then when I upgradedand got this microphone and the like sony,
she was like, I want thattoo, And I just like literally
went on Amazon and you know,podcast Outfitters and ordered her the exact same
setup because she's like, you've literallyruined me, you know. But had

(33:43):
she not heard the difference, youknow what I mean herself, right,
she would have never noticed. AndI think that's a majority of people.
However, I do think that thereis like subconscious decisions that you make in
your mind based on the quality ofthat sound. So even though maybe somebody

(34:05):
doesn't necessarily notice, it's saying alot of things about your business, about
your professionalism, you know. Ithink even sales calls and shit, like
I got all my I use mymicrophone for sales calls, man like,
and everybody's like, wow, yousound so good. I'm like, yeah,
man, because like I want youto hire me first of all.
But like it makes a difference,you know what I mean, Like you
don't want to sound terrible, butI think a majority of people just don't

(34:29):
know. And then especially if theyhear their voice with a microphone and then
without, it's like you ruin them, you know what I mean. But
so many people just aren't. Idon't know why. I don't know why.
There's you know, a resistance thereand I don't mean what the people
that like don't have the money forit. I'm talking specifically about people who
make enough money to buy a twohundred dollars microphone all day long and they

(34:52):
just don't and they have it andit's eighteen months in right, But you
know, I guess if it's workingfor the it's working for them. But
I think the people that invests,you know, it's like it's like Alex
Formosi, I really want to reachout to him and be like, man,
like, what do we gotta dobecause like you're killing me, and
like, you can get away withthis on Facebook, but you can't get

(35:13):
away with this on an audio onlyplatform because people are on iTunes and listening
to super high quality content, theyget to yours and they can't turn it
off fast enough. You're you're workingagainst yourself. Now. Every time his
podcast notification comes in, I justswipe it out of the way because I'm
not going to listen to that shit, you know what I mean. So
it's like it really does matter,and it might not matter to everybody,

(35:34):
but it might matter to that oneperson that you really needed to hear your
content, who can make a hugedifference in your bottom line, especially from
my side, when you're talking aboutbranded podcasts, like it's all about the
quality of it. You're trying toshow that you're a top notch, high
quality, high ticket, worth themoney, expensive, hard to get organization.
You got to show up super properto get that deal. So I

(35:59):
love Ryan Barletta is saying that themicrophone and camera is the new suit for
business. I love that because youare absolutely right. It totally speaks to
professionalism that I care about you.And conversely, if you've got an AirPod
in because you think they look coolon camera, and you think they sound

(36:22):
good for you, You can't hearyourself. That tells even the people that
aren't aware of it that, ohthey don't and the people that are aware
of it especially, it tells themthat you really don't care about me at
all. You care about it,Adam sending some very loud, passive,
aggressive messaging to you right now.My soul is a little crushed. I

(36:45):
was just reading reviews of these microphones. Oh no, I saw tears warming
in your eyes. I was wonderingwhat was going on. We have an
uphill babble in front of us.People give us some of the information that
this gets too. They love theylove these microphones because they don't know any
better, but they love them.How many actual podcasters truck like legitimate people

(37:07):
wanting to up there, And that'sthis gets to the point about the training,
the upping the game, all thatstuff, And that's what I see.
Not just us, but there area lot of people on missions this
year to help improve the quality,and so we're not alone in our frustration
with people choosing these crappy mics.But I think the word's going to get

(37:27):
out and people are going to realize, Hey, maybe I don't need to
listen to this sixteen year old thatposted this review of this twenty dollars microphone.
Here's the one review that makes methe most upset. Yes so far.
Also, I'm nine, are goingto set um? All right?
So it says excellent sound quality,easy to set up, but beware.

(37:53):
So I'm like, all right,maybe this person, maybe maybe they know
something. I'm Windows ten in thedirection couldn't have been easier to follow.
The same goes for the recommended Audacitysoftware for recording audio. So why the
warning? I originally saw this micaelmy new computer, which is at least
five years newer than my old computerand cost twice as much as my last
one. Everything about my new computeris better than my last one, including

(38:15):
sound output. But guess what soundinput is horrible compared to my last one.
Naturally, I blamed the microphone incertain name brand. I won't ruin
them right here, Yeah, ropeback suggesting I try another computer, which

(38:37):
I thought was just playing stupid.They were right, moral if the mic
doesn't produce excellent sound quality, it'sprobably your machine. So whatever. So,
whatever this company has done has convinceda human to not move forward,
but to reduce themselves to the pastand say, oh, no, old,

(39:00):
use it on a machine is fiveyears older than the one you're using
right now. Sorry this that leadsto a whole other discussion of the challenges
of trying to produce media content ona Windows machine compared to a Mac.
Sorry, Adam, Adam, Well, and that depressing piece of information.

(39:24):
But I think we just found anew segment. I think we just found
um read Amazon Amazon, the goodand the bad, good and the bad.
The questions too. There's some reallygood questions. I kind of like
the direction that that that's going.I'm saying, though, that could be

(39:45):
really good. Like I imagine howfucking ridiculous, like the good reviews are
for the snowball or the Eddy.I love this. I just wish I
couldn't hear my neighbor's lawn mower.Sorry this is I love this. Significantly
less people bought the microphone that I'musing right now. Buy several zeros.

(40:08):
Yeah, and how much is ayeddie anyway? Isn't it more than that
one ninety? But I think they'relike peety nine two nineteen. My favorite
part of the Amazon pages are thequestions consumer, customer, sorry, customer

(40:30):
questions and answers. Question number onethat has seventeen votes, how did you
install it onto the microphone stand?These are the people that are buying this
mic. That's the other thing,super glue. You should answer, super
glue, super magic? How doI get it attached to the boom arm

(40:52):
stand properly? And it can betough to like. It can be perplexing
to people who aren't used to micstands. I understand that, but yeah,
so anyway, this will be afun segment to do. Well,
Well, we'll find some and beprepared next time. I can't I can't
go. I can't go deeper Amazon. Right now, the rabbit hole is

(41:19):
not all that welcoming. I wasthere in the nineties. It was rough.
I know, good, I didn'twant to go there. Would this
be a good mic for multiple peoplesitting around a table? Any mic goes?
Come on, let's be yeah.Yeah, it's COVID. Don't sit
around table with one microphone. Aslong as you put the little sock on

(41:42):
it, you're fine with COVID,right is Yeah, as long as you
have the foam cover and a windscreen, then you're all fine, boy,
oh boy, well what a whata year to come? Lots of predictions.
Remember this moment, because in twelvemonths, we're going to look back

(42:05):
at this one right here, andwe're gonna see what happened. Will Joe
Roe could be president as possible?Oh god? Will Spotify go bankrupt anything?
They've been spending a lot of moneyon buying podcast companies. You know,
nobody's too big to fail? Yeah, it happens. Look in my

(42:27):
space. On that note, Isaw meme the other day that was like,
shout out to Tom. All hedid was collect his check, teach
us a little HDML and roll out. He didn't try to rule the world
or rest everything up. I waslike, you know what, You're right,
we all did learn a little HDMLand we got to put little songs
on our pages. I was lithonestly my Space. Now we're in Web

(42:53):
three. Oh boy, language discordmetaverse. I'm I'm all, I'm deep
in the metaverse. I am not. We should podcasting find its way to
the metaverse. Oh that's our nextweek's conversation, NFTs podcasting the metaverse?
What does that look like? Ohdude, that is next week's podcast Adam,

(43:16):
you are, but we'll have tostart next week by explaining to the
old man what podcast on the blockchain? And why would it matter? That's
not for now. We're not nonow right now. Think about it.
I'm gonna next week, I'm gonaa bunch of lushrooms and I'm gonna be
ready for this. Yeah's listening.Can you send me some and try and

(43:39):
then tell us why and where umthe podcasting happens in the metaverse because we'll
be there. Well whatever I means. So, here's the thing. You
can make music into NFT, Sowhy can't you make a podcast into an
NFT? But who would care?Great listen NFTs now, But let's table
this goodness for next because I'm excited. I'm gonna do some research on this.

(44:01):
This is gonna be going. I'mhyped about it. I'm hyped about
it. I'm trying to make someNFTs. I'm reading rock. Let's go
look at me coming in hot withtopics. Let's go, I'm in hot,
coming in cool. All right?On that note, going out hot,
nose Bamas, going out hot

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