#22 A Conversation with Devin's Daughter Claire

Join Devin Henderson and daughter Claire for a heartfelt conversation full of laughter, empathy, and self-discovery. Claire and Devin – or as he's now mainly known: "Claire's Dad," touch on the joys of homeschooling, having six sisters, and long father-daughter walks and talks at night... where Claire does most of the talking – her words!

Witness the power of kindness in the workplace through Claire's eyes as she recounts her touching Chick-fil-A encounter and consider what it means to truly lead and inspire. Claire's adventures, such as last-minute road trips or a Hindu temple visit will encourage you to celebrate the growth that comes from engaging with new perspectives. So tune in, and you too might find yourself asking the question, 'What else is possible?' and discovering the potential that lies in wait for you.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
How you doing.
Check, check one, two.
Yeah, hi guys.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello Claire Henderson.
Check, check one, two Goodchild home slices.
How's it going out there?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Alright, what's up everybody.
Welcome to the possibilitymindset podcast.
I'm Devin Henderson and I amyour host, and I believe that
something greater is alwaysbetter than nothing.
I believe that somethinggreater is always possible for
you.
It's my daughter, claire,everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
What other kind of?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
introduction.
Can I give you know it's mydaughter, claire.
I'm so proud of her.
I love her.
She's amazing.
There you go.
That's it, goodbye.
Thank you, have a good one.
Oh, my gosh, this is fun.
Well, hey, before we jump inand kind of talk more about you
know, the awesomeness of ClaireI want to say thanks to Excedra
Shawnee, which is beautiful.
Fans is where we live.
The staff here is phenomenal.

(00:59):
You like them.
You like Sanya, our server.
You guys like hit it off, youguys are buds now like this, my
favorite quote of the day so far, which, as you know, you
faithful, loyal listeners know Ialways write down the things
that the kids say.
I have a segment in my solocast called Girl Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh, do you?
I do, and you're featured, Iknow.
So this is like girl talkepisode.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
We'll just title it Girl Talk.
Well, let's talk a bore.
So the best thing you saidtoday, if we walked in here and
you said I've never seen a barat a breakfast place before it's
like 8 AM.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I never go to bars and I never go to breakfast
places, so I feel like thechances of me seeing a bar at a
breakfast place are pretty lowin general.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I would say so.
I don't see a lot of bars inbreakfast places either.
It's like it sounds like an eggset or a special thing, and you
are 16, so I hope you're notgoing to a lot of bars, just you
Just.
Every once in a while, dad, I'mat a bar again.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm like OK, listeners please, please, stop
taking your mom's ID around withyou.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, everyone does think you're like what 21?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
36?
36.
I have gotten 36.
Have you really?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Thank you, that's an accomplishment, I'm glad At 16
years old Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm proud of you for that Awesome.
Well, if you want to see mybeautiful daughter and you're
only listening you got to go toYouTube for the full experience
and check it out.
Don't forget to subscribe andlike and all those other things
that we YouTubers say.
Am I a YouTuber?
Would you call me a YouTuber,claire?
Ok, don't answer that.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Listen Dad.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, oh man.
This is where it gets real, andshe's going to put me in my
place and humble me.
I'm ready Teach me, child.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Who's going to humble you if I don't?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
That's a good point man, that's deep Let that sink
in everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You're front.
Seven daughters into this world.
Yeah, you prepared yourself forthis, that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Ok, all right.
Well, so there it is.
Do it If you're listening.
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I had two comments.
Now it's down to one.
I think someone took theircomments down.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was me, it was you yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Which I want to address that in my solo cast,
because I think I know why, butwe'll talk about that later.
Ok, moving on, do you want toguess how many days off coffee I
am?
I know you don't care, but youjust want to guess 68.
You're close, I'm 83.
83.
Days off coffee.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Interesting.
I know I'm doing it.
It was 50.
It was, it was 50.
Like two days yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
How'd I do that?
Well, I count by seven.
No, but this one.
I'm drinking tea.
Today I brought my mud waterand so I'm just given a chance
to see.
Is it going to make adifference in my focus, my
energy all day, my sleep?
And it's still kind of up anddown.
I can't be like I have foundthe solution and I'm off coffee
forever.
I'm still on this journey.

(03:39):
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(04:21):
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Speaker 2 (05:00):
Chiefs Go Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Which this isn't going to come out because I'd
like to put them in the queue.
So you think I wouldn't talkabout things relevant to the
moment, because in like a monthit's not going to mean anything.
But we're at the.
Open it means the chiefs Every.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right the chiefs Open .
It means everything.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Everything.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
We went to the what's it called.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
To the parade last year the celebration parade.
We're the only city that shutsdown everything that day and a
million people congregate atUnion Station.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
It was fun and it was fun, it was fun.
One of them it was like we'llsee you next year.
I expect them to make good onthat podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I can't believe.
Yeah, yeah, they said it.
They said it, well, in thatparade.
What did you think of thatparade?
How was that for you?
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We stood there for 12 hours.
We were in the center of it.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
We were the last destination.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, we didn't go along the parade route.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
We went to Union Station, which is where they
sort of like that the paradecomes down with all the players
and they land right in front ofUnion Station where they have a
big stage set up and they kindof do like a show.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, everybody's dancing and partying.
We were waiting there for a fewhours.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
It was quite cold.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It was like February, I think.
I had like a granola bar tosplit with my friend.
Yeah, you guys ditched us.
You guys went inside UnionStation.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Whatever, you know Well inside the doorway you
can't go like in and in, so it'slike, yeah, that's more in than
we were.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's true, that's true we tried to get as close as
we could.
We almost got trampled by ahorse and trampled by people,
but Best part of your day.
I don't think I told you aboutthat.
No, I'm just hearing about thisfor the first time I was like,
hey, we'll be right over here.
And I was like, yeah, I'm undera horse, I'm under a yeah, I'm
not Patrick Mahomes yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, that's crazy, but so you got to see Patrick
Mahomes, kelsey, I mean, theywere all up there on the stage
just hanging out.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was a good time.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So that's pretty cool .
I wouldn't have gone had younot been like I want to go to
the chief's parade.
I remember you being like, hearme out, chief's parade.
And I was like, oh man, justwhat an undertaking is a parent?
Because I'm not like the superadventurous kind where it's like
let's just go.
I'm kind of like, ok, I have toplan my day, now, be orderly
about it.
And then we brought your friendof Angeline, and then your

(07:12):
sister's, charlotte and Cambry,and then what we do at the end
of the day, did we?
go to IHOP.
We went to IHOP.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
What better way to type?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean we should have come to Exeter, but
they're not open that late.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
So we had to go to IHOP.
No.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
IHOP's great too, right down by our house, one of
our places, ok, awesome.
That's chief, so anyway thechiefs last night just beat the
Ravens, so in two weeks they'regoing to the Super Bowl.
So at this point, while you'relistening, you're going to know
more than we do right now, socongratulations on that.
I have to give another shoutout.
I performed at a private schoolhere in Shawnee, kansas, called

(07:45):
Maronatha School.
And afterwards I talked toseveral students.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Hey, they enjoyed it.
Several of them texted me.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh did they?
Oh well, I was performing.
That's funny.
Some of Claire's friends go tothat school so like who is this
monkey man?
And so I promised a four younggentlemen students there that I
would give them shout outs inthe podcast.
So here it goes.
What's up to Luke, lucas, heath, ben and Matthew.
Hello, here's your shout out.
Hope you enjoyed that show andhopefully we'll come back and do

(08:15):
it again.
So, all right, let's introduceyou officially, claire Henderson
.
That was it.
I'm Claire Henderson, everybody.
Welcome to the podcast, welcometo my podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, her podcast we're taking over.
This is not her podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, I'm gonna actually introduce her by
reading a text to you that.
I got from your boss, DrewSeverans at Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay, so this is something that one of Drew's
wife, julie kind of Drew's wife,julie's friend, okay.
So her boss's wife's friendwent into Chick-fil-A,
interacted with Claire and thensent Julie this message, which
Drew then sent to me.
A lot of sending being going on, so I got this from your boss.

(08:59):
Here it is.
If any of you know Chick-fil-Aemployee Claire H here, please
tell her or her parents.
Thank you.
She was literally one of thekindest people I have ever met
at such a young age 36, you werepretty good at it.
She asked how my day was goingand after I told her we lost our
grandpa today, she asked if shecould give me a hug and took

(09:20):
down my name so she could prayfor us.
She went above and beyond tomake sure that I left with a
smile, was encouraged andknowing that someone out there
was praying and caring for us.
Kudos to her and her parentsfor raising such a genuine
caring and kind soul.
We need more young adults likeClaire in this world.
Heart emoji it's awesome, Imean that's.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
It was my pleasure, like it was a good day it was.
It's always rough.
You have rough conversationssometimes at work in the
customer service area but it'syou remember this specific
instance oh yeah, I've beenwaiting for her.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's awesome.
Wow, that's cool.
See, that's.
I mean, that's the kind of text.
When you get that as a parentyou're like wow, thank you, lord
that you know my kid's soawesome so.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I give the credit to your.
God is good.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, it's not me, I was gonna say and I give the
credit to your mother too,because your mother's phenomenal
, she's awesome.
So, but you know, it's not just.
I've gotten more texts likethat from.
Drew Sent me a funny one.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Oh, I wrote it down.
Drew Severn.
He said your daughter.
He stopped buddy.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, he texted me.
I wrote this one down here.
He said oh, and by the way,Drew's brother, Will, was on the
podcast a few months ago so youmight remember Will Severn
Severn's who's.
Yeah, watch that one, it's agood one.
So Drew texts me.
He said your daughter just didher thing with Oscar Shepard,
head of selection for OliveChick-fil-A.
Can't wait till that girl is myboss someday.
Yep, that awesome.
I just Drew's amazing, butyou're amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I can't wait until I'm your boss someday.
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
She's gunning for your job, buddy.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I hope to bless you just as much as you have blessed
me, yeah yeah, well, I wannatalk about Drew more later, but
I mean how often peoplecompliment you.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I was just telling you those people that are
friends of the Jobs right who?
And they're the ones whoCharlotte plays, yeah, and so
they're like, your daughter's sowitty, so fun, so awesome.
And I mean people at churchlike, oh my gosh, your
daughter's clear, like.
I'm no longer Devon Henderson,I'm Claire's dad.
That's all I am now.
So we just need to redo mywebsite, clairsdadcom.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Lord knows why.
That's who I am.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I know.
But I mean, are the people weknow will just be, I mean, all
the time like, is that yourdaughter?
You know, we stopped by and shewas just like so friendly, so
awesome, so let's start there,let's.
I mean, because this is, youknow, we're talking about
possibilities and we kinda havea short list of.
I mean, as you're still growingup, you know, you've had some
pretty cool opportunities thathave led to cool possibilities

(11:43):
in your life already.
You know cause you're likeready to grow up.
Let's face it.
You're kinda like let's do it,let's move out.
I mean she was ready to get ajob at 14, ready to drive.
I mean you were just kinda likeit was just cool to watch you
just be like talk, talk.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Prepared and ready versus versus eager, like I
don't think I was all thatprepared for it.
I don't think you can really beprepared for growing up.
I think growing up is like thepreparation for your adult life.
That's not any wisdom, but it'smore of a.

(12:19):
I don't think I've beenprepared for a lot of the things
I've done, but I've had peoplewho have come by me, like come
along with me and supported meand all of the like you said
really cool opportunities I'vehad.
I've been very blessed withsome really fun experiences that
have stretched me and grown me.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well and I think what you're saying about that's true
for adult life too, where Imean a lot of you can probably
relate you don't feel preparedfor maybe even the job you're in
right now, or you're having akid, or you're moving, or it's
like I'm not prepared Now.
You look prepared to everyoneelse because you might put on a
good face or put on an air ofconfidence, but sometimes we
don't always feel prepared.

(12:58):
I think that's just like truefor the rest of our life.
You're always gonna bepreparing for the next level.
But I feel like you at thislevel, you've experienced more
leadership, like good leaders inyour life through mainly
Chick-fil-A and through some ofthe other things we'll talk
about.
I feel like you're so far aheadof like where I was at 16, just
in terms of maturity, growingup, understanding just more

(13:20):
about society and the world andpeople, and you're so good with
people.
I mean she makes friendsinstantly.
We were at the doctor's officerecently.
She was in getting her anklex-ray.
It sounded like there was aparty going on in there.
She was cracking everyone up.
She is like one of the funniestpeople that I know Like.
I envy her wittiness and herjust how fast she puts things
together.

(13:40):
You could be a standardcomedian.
If you were like I wanna dothat, I don't know.
You could just start doing itnow.
I'm telling you you would crush.
You'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I just like attention and I like to talk.
And I've heard that if you'refunny, you're gonna fail enough
times to where you don't feelfunny anymore.
I say a lot of things that I'mlike oh, I'm gonna be funny
right now and no laughs.
I have so many of those storiesbut people only see like man
that was funny.
They only remember the funnyparts.

(14:10):
Or if you do something and youjust fail, you bomb on a joke or
a comment.
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Well, that's what I love like whole rising through
failure, because you learn fromthose failure moments of okay,
that wasn't funny why.
And then you know you just getbetter and better and better,
and so, whether you're gonna bea comedian or not, you know, you
learn from those cues andyou're smart enough.
You have such an acuteawareness of like everything
happening around you and yourown effect on people that you're

(14:37):
gonna learn from every time yousay something that didn't land
the way you wanted it to.
So I know I'm gonna be talkingabout big time on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean forget it.
I mean I'm a proud father, I'lladmit it.
It's like nine in the morning.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I know, and we're already at the bar.
It's crazy, right.
So yeah, I mean, let's startwith Chick-fil-A.
I know right now you'reactually taking a break from
Chick-fil-A, because what'sgoing on?
Why do you get a work breakright now?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
We are closed, but just for a couple more weeks.
We're getting a new lane in,getting a door rather than a
window, so we bag the food andwe run it out right, run it
right out to you guys.
It's gonna be really cool, justrenovations preparing.
We're also like the year ofpreparation was.
Last year we were preparing forrenovations and we're also

(15:23):
preparing for a new storethat'll be opening up this fall.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Who's gonna be owning and operating that one?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
No, Drew Severins.
Drew Severins.
Drew Severins bless the Lordfor him Running two stores.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like I couldn't ever fathom running one store, let
alone two.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Hey, it's a one in a million thing If someone can do
it.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
it's true.
Yeah, it is true.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
The numbers and the statistics are.
I've heard them.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I would box them For one person owning two.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
For one person owning one like thousands of people
apply for Chick-fil-A and twohave two is so cool and it's
such a blessing.
I know that Drew is reallydoing it for the team, for our
opportunities.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like our opportunities have doubled, Like
ex-world and it's so sickBecause of the new store.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, we're gonna be hiring on like 300 more people.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
We're gonna be training them up.
We're gonna be training upleaders.
We're gonna be training up teammembers like caregivers.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's gonna be a really cool experience.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And it's gonna be drive-thru only, which is one of
the first, if not the first, inthe region, and we're still
playing around with ideas on howto still provide care.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
And provide this personal touch, even though it's
gonna be a very fast pace.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I did not know it was drive-thru.
Only that's news to me, okay,awesome.
Well, I mean the cool thingabout Drew just having the
insight and the ingenuity andthe engineering mindset of how
can we move more cars throughquicker?
How can we make are there evenkind of restructuring the
parking lot a little bit to makeit a one way?
I know he was telling me aboutthat.
He's just smart and is thinkinghow can we make this a better

(16:59):
experience for the customer andjust make things run more
smoothly?
So, yeah, I mean Drew is.
I remember when he wrote us aletter when you first got hired
and just he's just so greatabout having that personal touch
, even with parents, and beinglike, hey, it's such a blessing
to have your child with us,thanks for sharing with us, and
so, yeah, and then you got to goto Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Now, how rare of an opportunity is that?
For what?
Were you 15 at the time to goto Atlanta with the leadership
team.
I mean, this is crazy.
Right, tell, talk about that.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, yes, it's a really unique opportunity for
most people, but for Chick-fil-A, lenexa, drew and our whole
leadership team want tocultivate leaders and so, yeah,
I was on that selection.
I think I was one of six people, including Julie Severins and
Drew Severins, to fly down there.

(17:48):
It was a leadership conference.
We got to go to the supportcenter, meet some of the people
who support us from Atlanta, gotto hear great lectures, got to
learn about how to leadourselves, lead our teams that's
about it.
It was a really coolopportunity and getting to know
those members who came on theplane got to have dinners

(18:10):
together, it was a really goodbonding experience.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, your mom and I.
We trust you so much with whatyou do and you travel these
places.
You know, and you know otherparents like you're letting her
fly to Atlanta.
I'm like, well, yeah, with DrewSeverins you know what I mean
like and Julie Severins and Imean these people who we trust.
You know, we trust them withthe life of our Donnerby and

(18:35):
just the opportunity that opensup to you to go down there and
learn that.
And then next week, where areyou flying Alaska?
She's going to Alaska by herself, okay, so we're like she can do
it by herself, but she is goingby herself.
But you're meeting up with somefriends that used to live here.
They live there now.
You're going to be staying withthem.
It's going to be really fun.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm super blessed to know them, they started the
church up there.
I'm going to go visit them,hang out, see what their
ministry is all about, meet someof their community.
It's going to be really goodand good to see friends again.
They moved up there and I'llfall or summer of 23.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Okay, yeah, and I've yet to meet these people.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So, yeah, go stay with those random strangers I've
never met in Alaska Going awayparty and I know a lot of the
kids I've met the parents likeonce or twice, and one of the
kids was like right when youleft, I finished a conversation
with their mom and had to headout and she said her mom came up
to her and was like sweet girl,who was that?

(19:35):
And we're like Claire and she'slike I don't know who that is.
It was a really funnyexperience.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I guess they know me enough now to just let me
stay at their house.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah Well, that's awesome.
So let's back up a little bityes.
Right, because I mean, you'remy baby, we don't need to go
back that far.
But you know like it is crazy.
16 years goes by like that.
A dad told me that when youwere little, he goes, they grow
up like that.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Iget it.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
You've been telling me these stories since I was
like five years old, and everytime he snaps I feel like I'm
going 10 years.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Hey, what's up, you're good man.
Come on in, we're just chilling, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I was saying I'm doing a podcast Dude, do me a
thing, man, you're good, what'sup?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Thank you.
I've been here for about a yearI'm cutting my hair.
Oh, you know, I don't know.
Just ask the management, gothrough that door right there,
ask them out there.
I'm sorry, yeah, okay, allright man, thanks.
It's part of what I love aboutthis venue is you get that?
You know what I mean?
Interactions, interactions wejust got to meet the coke guy

(20:36):
but, but yeah, no backing up.
I mean it's, it goes fast.
So you always think like I didthat in my standard comedy for a
little bit, where I'm like, oh,they grew up like that.
So I go home and I'm like, okay, come on, kids, let's get to it
, let's grow up.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
But I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, I'm trying dad and so and so here she is flying
to Alaska.
It worked, but let's back upthat.
The first thing I really thinkthat was like a really unique
opportunity for you was NSA.
Yes, and I say meaning theNational Speakers Association,
which is part of what I'm a partof, where speakers come
together and collaborate, learnfrom each other, listen to each
other, speak, network, and thenthey have, you know, local
chapters.

(21:09):
We have a great one here inKansas City.
Then there's like it's it'sactually a, it's a worldwide
Association, so we get together.
If there's like an annualconference once a year always
meets here in the States and hasreally helped for my growth as
a speaker.
And then it turns out they havelike a, a leadership program
for the kids slash students.

(21:29):
I think it's like ages you haveto be 10.
So you went when you were 10and you went I think three years
and then COVID happened and soyou haven't gone since, but your
sisters want to go, so.
So this is what it was so like.
While the parents are learning,it's like they can bring their
kids and it's kind of like.
It's not like a daycare, butthey do stay in this thing all
day and they get leadershiptraining, they listen to

(21:49):
speakers, they, they go and theydo some kind of flint, fill in
through philanthropic somecommunity service oriented thing
.
So so tell me about what thatwas like.
We went to Orlando the firsttime.
How, what did NSA teach you?
What was that experience likefor you?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
That was such a cool opportunity, such a blessing
that you provided for me.
Um, it's like where to begin.
Because we have such a bigfamily, I don't get a whole lot
of one-on-one time with you ormom right, which is fine.
I had a whole, like two yearsbefore Charlotte was born,
mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I got my fill.
Yeah, but if you're justmeeting us, there's seven.
We have seven dollars total.
She's the first of seven, sothat kind of that's why,
one-on-ones are very, yeah, veryrare.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And I still see you guys all the time.
I get to hang out with you, butthe one-on-one interactions
aren't so different.
Yeah and it was so much fun togo on a plane and I think back
to how young I was and how old Ithought I was, and Just like if
I had to bring a ten-year-oldon a trip to to Disney World,
disneyland.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Disney World, disney World, yeah, yeah, florida right
.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh, bless your heart.
Like I, I'm kind of shockedthat you took me, but we went.
It was so much fun to hang outwith you.
It was fun to meet so manyfriends and one of your best
friends you made there, kinleyKinley.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know it was.
Yeah, became one of your.
Is she gonna be there next year?
She could be there next year.
She was so sweet so sweet.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
There are plenty of people you meet and you you just
look forward all year to seeingthem again.
And getting to sit through somany lectures and writing so
many notes and Getting to servein those communities was so cool
and it really, I think, taughtme how to get out of my shell
and to Meet people and be okaywith new experiences, because I

(23:41):
was homeschooled and I got a lotof experiences that a lot of
people from public school Wouldit all right people will be like
how did you get community whenyou were younger?
It's like we made the community.
Yeah, yeah, right and so I I'mused to being around people, but
I'm used to being around a lotof adults.
It's strange to be around thatmany kids and Teenagers.

(24:05):
Yeah but I didn't get somereally good relationships out of
it and some really good lifelessons.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Mm-hmm, good, that's awesome.
And then that first year inFlorida we had a blast.
We went to the Magic Kingdomtogether, we did Epcot, so that
was, yeah, it was amazing.
And then, and then the nextyear we were in Dallas and then
you got to see some friends downto that had moved there, so
that was fun.
And then the next year afterthat was Aurora Colorado, when,

(24:36):
when my wife was super pregnant.
We were, we were pregnant, wegot home.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
On a Wednesday.
She had the baby on a.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Saturday very pregnant long story.
Oh, it was insane.
It was, that's right.
That's right.
You want to tell them whathappened on Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
when you woke up, you're 11 Saturday morning I was
11.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I keep my she's stoked, like she's been thinking
about this all year.
It's all she's thinking about acalendar.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'm counting down the days I am.
I go to bed thinking my dad'sgonna wake me up at four in the
morning.
We're gonna fly out to Colorado.
Never been to Colorado.
Super excited to see mountains.
Excited to see Kinley, againexcited to see all of my friends
.
I wake up and there's sun andmy stomach drops and my heart
like Plummets and I, becauseyou're expecting to be waking up

(25:24):
in the dark.
Yes, I'm like my dad's gonnawake.
So I'm like man, we missed ourflight, we're gonna have to be
like a day late.
What are we gonna do?
How are we gonna get there?
I ran into my parents bedroom.
I'm like dad, he's still in bed.
I was.
I was scared.
He left me.
He's still in bed.
I'm like dad, wake up.
We have to go.
We have to go get the flight.
He goes.
Oh, we decided not to go.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hopefully, I was a little more sensitive than that
and I just woke up.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think you just woken up.
I'm sorry to throw you becauseyou woke me up.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, right, that's okay.
Yeah, no man, it sounds like ahorrible dad moment, but I'm
gonna horrible dad moment it.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I, I, I did proceed to have a whole temper tantrum
which we're not gonna talk about.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Understandable, totally warranted.
I mean, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't think any tantrum is.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well as an 11 year old, that's so big and basically
, and yeah you know, keep going,keep going yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Just like devastated, sick to my stomach, lost my
will to live, just Done with theworld.
Yeah, I made a cake that helped.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Same your next book.
I made a cake and that helps.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I made a cake and that helps Got back a little bit
of the likes to survive.
I calm down and think man, mymom is very pregnant.
I would feel terrible.
Start thinking if I'm going tobe the oldest of this family,
the leader of the pack, I don'twant to act like this every time
something doesn't go my way.
Really draw myself out of it.

(27:01):
I'm like folding clothes, kindof like settling with that fact
of hey things aren't alwaysgoing to go your way, that's
okay, and it's not the end ofthe world.
And then you come out andyou're like do you want to drive
down there with the wholefamily?
Previz, we had just gotten likea 12 passenger, did we have a

(27:21):
van yet?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
We had just like persisted.
We had just gotten this 12passenger van.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And you and mom were like man, like saw the soul
leave my eyes.
And they're like man, becauseyou love me so much.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm so blessed.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
They drove down my mom nine months plus yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
And this was not about our kids throwing a
tantrum, so we're going to giveit.
It was not.
It was like you know, yeah,because the cool thing is that,
even though it ended well, yougot to go.
It was like it was kind of nicethat you got to have that
experience and find yourselfgetting over it, yes, and coming
through that like you grewthrough that.

(28:02):
Like you grew how to be?
Like, let's get used todisappointment, let's move on.
And so you had gotten to thatpoint on your own, so you would
have been ultimately okay evenif we didn't go.
So it's kind of nice that yougrew.
And then, icing on the cake,you still got to go.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Icing on the cake Because I felt horrible right
yeah icing on the cake.
I mean, you felt horrible.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, I mean I, you didn't even have to make me feel
horrible.
I already felt horrible knowingthat.
I was like going to have totell you I'm sorry we can't go,
but Lynn mom was so pregnantthat it was like I'm always
afraid I'm going to miss thebirth right, because I'm always
traveling anyway, speaking, andso it was like I don't want us
to be in Colorado and get tocall it I'm in labor, I'm going
to have the baby, because I lovethat moment.

(28:41):
You know like I love thatmoment, and I knew she was so
close.
It was like, well, let's alldrive out there together, we'll
search for hospitals on the wayand we had a hospital in mind
while we were there, in case shewas in labor.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
She has to have contractions and we all can't.
I know it's like no, not yet.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
But by God's grace, we drove home on a Wednesday and
she had the baby three dayslater, like on a Saturday.
And not only do I not want tomiss the birth, but even like
the few days and weeks leadingup to it.
There's something special aboutit's getting close.
Let's be here together.
Let's like enjoy this momentbefore our family is one more,
has one more person in it.
You know, like let's enjoy whatwe have right now before we

(29:17):
break through to the next level.
So that was how all that playedinto and you handled it.
Considering everything, youhandled it well, I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I mean you recovery mainly, I'm telling you I never
really thought about how goodthat was for you to like grow
through that.
Maybe that was a good decision,maybe.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Man.
So, anyway, I'm glad NSA hasbeen good for you, and I mean
that's.
You know, even it's just sogood to learn.
I always thought when Igraduated college I'm like I
never have to learn again.
This is great, but it's likelearning is a lifelong thing,
you know.
So go to conferences, readbooks, listen to speakers,
listen to podcasts, because wegot to keep growing.
You know the world's alwayschanging.

(29:59):
So, all right, I got weird anddeep real fast, speaking of more
possibilities.
Uh, wizard of Oz was crazy.
So this girl, when you were Iguess you were 14 at the time
Was 14, almost 15.
Yeah, because, yeah, it was liketwo years ago from this spring,
you were in Wizard of Oz and Iactually tell this story in my
keynote.

(30:19):
She, she had never had anytheater experience, I mean just
like little plays in elementaryschool, and she goes in and
auditions.
I wish we had the video of youraudition, her audition.
She had someone record it andsend it to us and you.
Your song was the witch, theUrsula song from Little Mermaid,
what's it called PoorUnfortunate Soul.

(30:40):
Poor Unfortunate Soul.
She crushed, I mean, got intoit, was like evil, was, it was
so good.
And so she got the role of MissGulch, which is, like you know,
the witch before she becomesthe witch.
And so we were like, oh my gosh, first audition ever, crushed,
atlanta, that role.
And so yeah, tell us kind ofwhat, what kind of possibilities

(31:04):
did that open up for you?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Absolutely.
I'll just start with the storyof how I got into the show.
Swear to myself I'm never goingto be a theater kid Losers.
What are they even doing withtheir lives In high?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
school, I thought the same.
I was like those are the dorksNow.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I wish I would have been a theater, because I feel
like that was my tribe, but Iwanted to be too cool.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I wanted so hard to be too cool, too cool, so that I
was like I'm not going to do itand looking back, I'm like I
think I would have had more fun.
It would have been my tribe,anyway.
So, yeah, go on.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, and on New Year's I had some friends, like some
friends who were graduating, andthey were like man, we all want
to be in the last show togetherBecause it's a like high school
children's professional theatercompany Right right, right,
First act here in town.
And so they were all talkingabout let's do Wizard of Oz as a
joke, because there was Les Misgoing on at the same time.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And that's like the big show everyone wants to be in
like this.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But the guy who was graduating, he's like I'm going
to be in the Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Which guy was that?
Was that Colton?
Everybody's going to do whatColton's doing.
Everyone's going to do whatColton's doing.
I even did what Colton did.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I did kind of do it, Girl, you should do it, you
should.
And I was like I guess I will.
So I call my parents and I'mlike can I sign up for the show?
Just really quick.
And they're like go for it.
So the audition I don't knowhow far it was, I did have.
I did Greece later that summeror the next summer.

(32:38):
I'm just like a week long likeprogram where you learn a show
in a week, and the director thathelped me find my voice, pick a
song and grew from there.
I have some friends in theaterwho also came over and were like
okay, Claire, this is how yousing, Stop doing that.
And I, yeah, audition got in.

(33:02):
We got a call back which was socool, that's what I didn't
expect.
One of my good friends, Eva Ididn't know her at the time, I
thought she did not like me.
I complimented her water bottle, she goes, thanks, and I said
my bad.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I will talk to you anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
But she was my competition because there was no
one else who really wanted tobe the witch, I figured both
people would be going forDorothy Glinda.
Other little, not little roles,the big roles.
She is so talented, I was soimpressed and I saw, I didn't
know that the witch and MissGulch were going to be separate

(33:42):
roles, so I was like she's gotit.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You would think it'd be the same person playing both
roles.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And there was part of me.
That's like I wish I had gottenthat role and I'm disappointed
waiting for the castles to comeout, knowing I didn't get the
witch.
But I was like you know whatI'm excited for her.
She's such a talented actress.
I know that she's going to dobetter than I ever could.
And castles came out, got MissGulch and was absolutely shocked

(34:11):
.
So, excited though and got tofly.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Did get to fly On a bike which is like one of my
biggest dreams.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I've always been like man.
I just, I want to go to theater, just so I can fly on a stage,
and that was so much fun, thatwas so cool and I got to be one
of the people backstage pullingropes.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I got to fly her.
Every time she flew I was theone pulling and yeah, you were a
little bit sick.
I was just so excited.
The first couple of days I wasthere anyway.
What?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
was that like that show was?
Oh, good show, Good show.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, it was great the story behind it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
What was going on was absolutely insane.
Do you want more coffee, by theway?
Oh, I'm good.
All right, cool.
Thank you, though.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Anyway, week of morning we, everyone who gets to
fly, has to go in early thefirst day of, like the stage
performance, the preparationsfor that week and the flying is
quite the ordeal.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yes, it's a lot of legal technicality as well.
Safety measures to be had.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Exactly, and so we get there.
I was tired that day, but I wasalso thinking, man, I'm just
going into a show like justtired.
I think my throat was a littlebit sore.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I wasn't worried about it.
When we were sitting on thestage, everyone was trying on
the harnesses, everyone waslooking over everything.
I felt so sick.
Yeah, I had a stomach ache.
I was like falling asleep onthe stage.
I don't get sick very often,but I was sitting there like I
could not stay awake and at thispoint it was like 11 in the
morning.
That's not a time where you'refalling asleep.

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They didn't have my harness inbecause I had to ride on a bike.
I was the only one with aharness attached to something.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Right, right, the most complicated hookup of them
all.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes and so we were sitting there like oh, you don't
, we didn't need you today Allright After How's it?
Going All right.
How are you After quite a fewhours?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And we continued on that evening.
The next day I woke up, had togo in early again for the
harness and feeling so sick.
I remember sitting on the bikeand trigger warning on.
I don't know, I felt like I wasgoing to throw up.
I just felt so sick and I wasshaking and like sweating and I
was like there were like sixadults around me sitting on this

(36:31):
bike trying to figure out howto hook up the harness.
You were there, I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I was there.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
And I was sitting there like I go, guys, can I
just get like a five minutebreak, I'll be right back, I
just need to sit down.
Because I was just standingthere and they go oh, just five
more minutes.
And I went like I don't know ifI can do that.
I didn't say that, but I waslike OK.
Right and so I sat there.
And then Patrick, I think ourdirector Joe, couldn't be there,

(36:56):
so he was standing in kind ofwatching everything and he looks
over, he goes everyone.
We're going to take a fiveminute break so everyone broke.
I ran to the restroom and yeah,did your thing.
Yep, yeah, quite a few times.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So yeah, and I was the one who was like, basically
in charge of your harness.
Like tightening it, checking it, because I'm like, well, number
one, she's my daughter.
I want to make sure this isdone right and I know you can.
You know, there's times we haveto trust other people to do
things.
But I'm like, I'm here, we allhave to be doing something.
I may as well be checking her.
And I also flew her every time,so it's like so it was partly
because like a protective dadwanting to do all that, but also

(37:34):
fun to do that together, likeI'm out there supporting her.
And like I've told you, I talkabout my motivational speech
because we're all like elevatingsomeone to heights that they
couldn't make it to on their own.
It's a really cool analogy ofjust father and child.
You know parent, child, andthen also just leader follower
thing.
So that was like such a goodmemory.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Absolutely being in that presentation with you.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I mean that was fun.
It's why I was like is she justgoing to keep doing theater?
But that was kind of like youronly one.
You've kind of like been there,done that Cool, and now I'm
going to do other things, whichwas totally fine.
But just the possibility ofjust trying something new, doing
really well with it, learningfrom it and just moving on to
even greater things.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, I used to be.
I say used to be, I'm 16.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Like, I haven't had much experience at all Back in
the 2010s.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
We were a well, I was .
I'm a very black and whiteperson, very straightforward
person and just type A.
I guess you would call it anddid not like doing things if it
wasn't perfect.
Yeah, and it stressed me out somuch.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Get that from me by the way, that's me.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Let's give each other a dig.
And going back to NSA, therewas a talent show I have some
talent show stories there.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Oh yes.
Yeah, we kind of glazed overthe talent show stuff, but those
are learning opportunities aswell.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Big learning opportunities.
I still think of some of thoseevery day Haunts me.
That's not healthy.
But anyway, one of the talentshows me in one of my pen pals,
kinley.
We're like we should dosomething together for the
talent show and if you guys haveever seen those videos where
people like take low six tothemselves and if all the lights
are offered stark they walkaround and they just stick men.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
You said tape glow sticks to themselves.
Yes, yes, ok.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
And it just looks like they're glowing sticking in
and we're like let's do thatand then dance.
So she brings all the glowsticks we don't have enough for
heads, they still have bodies,ok, we're like, what if?
We just did crowns oraccessories or something.
But I was like, yeah, it's this, like is it worth it?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I don't want to do it , so you backed out, so I backed
out.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
And the second, they got on stage and turned off the
lights.
Man, I just keep talking aboutmy stomach dropping my stomach.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, you wanted to be up there.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
And I thought I panicked.
I was just like broken.
I was like why couldn't I havejust gone on stage?
It's not perfect, but no onecan see my face anyway.
I would have had so much morefun and that's kind of the day I
vowed.
That sounds dramatic, just thatI would have fun and take the

(40:23):
opportunity to do things,because we have opportunities
passing us every single day.
I was in a little leadershipseminar the other day and we
were talking about if I askedyou the last time you saw a
yellow Volkswagen, you'd be likeI don't know, but you're going
to go home and you're going tobe watching and the next time

(40:44):
you see a yellow Volkswagenyou'll be like I just saw one.
There are opportunities passingyou every single day and you're
only going to notice them ifyou're looking for them or if
you're thinking about them, anda lot of the times you might be
wrong.
You might see a school bus andbe like yellow.
That wasn't what I'm lookingfor, but you still took the

(41:04):
opportunity and that opens somany doors and it's crazy how
much you can do by justaccepting things or by giving
opportunities and makingconnections.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
So can you tell me about?
Have there been examples I knowI'm putting you on the spot Can
you think of examples of thingsyou've been having, that
awareness for opportunity lately, where you've been like I would
have otherwise passed thatyellow Volkswagen up, so to
speak, had I not been watchingfor it.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'm trying to think I'm sure there have been.
I'm also just handed likeyellow Volkswagen's.
Not only am I looking for themon the road, I'm walking on the
street and someone's like do youwant a new car?
Mr Beast is like hey, guesswhat?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I got.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I'm like great, great , great and it's overwhelming.
But I know I had a gentlemanwho came in to Chick-fil-A.
We were talking and he justasked for a tea and I was like,
honest sir, nice.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Not a big deal.
She has the authority to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Drew, hi Drew, I'll pay you back.
I'll pay you back.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
She's kidding.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
She's just.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
She's.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, I didn't get to joke that now.
We don't do that now.
And he's like thank you, that'scool.
He's like what's your name?
We started a conversation, it'sslow and I work in an insurance
firm.
I want you to work there and Iwas like say less.

(42:34):
So in my mind I'm thinking howold do you have to be?
I don't know what all thiswould entail, but I do get his
contact information and hereaches out to me about.
It Turns out you have to be 18.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Oh, I thought you were like 49.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But it's a really cool opportunity just to get to
know the community, get intothat world, because now if I
ever need an insurance company,I'm going straight to him once I
become an adult.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But you're right, here's a yellow Volkswagen.
I'm like a Mr Beast moment.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Absolutely.
And then there are so many morewhere you're just watching and
think, man, I want to do that asa teenager.
I'm not just looking in theprofessional world.
I'm looking for friends, I'mlooking for groups to hang out
with.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You can make friends with that aunt in the corner.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
You can make friends with anyone.
You just have a way about youthat draws people to you.
So when you say theseopportunities come to you, it's
because of your personality,it's because of the love that
you show, and so it's justawesome to see that.
Yeah, I mean incredible doorsopen for you, that just aren't
open to anyone.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
But I think that can happen for anyone.
I know I have sat down and Idon't know how universal this is
Again 16, I don't have muchwisdom, but you go through life
and you see people and you'relike man.
I want to be like that.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I want to be that person.
I wish I was more like them.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
So when you think that don't just be like, oh,
like that analogy, I would doanything to be like that, and
it's like you wouldn't doanything because you haven't
done anything.
And so I started noticing whatI really liked about other
people I admired and learningfrom them and surrounding myself

(44:27):
with people who I did admire.
And once I got into thosegroups you just learn more and
then you get to find yourself.
It's not changing who you are,it's just being the best version
of yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Guess who my dad is, guess who.
I wake up in here every morning, but um After the trumpet
Rumpa-dumpa-dump.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yes, you can be your best, not the best Wake up to
the dishes.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It's going to make you better, something greater
today, and um, yeah, that'sfunny.
There are so many mottos I justhave swimming around in my bed,
so many words from Chick-fil-AAlso that I have, like advice,
like readers or leaders, areideas, are like vision for
Chick-fil-A.
Lenexa is to be a place wherepeople are restored.

(45:12):
So just all of these mottos andsomething, a keyword that I
love is authenticity, and Ithink people often mistake
authenticity for whoever youwant to be or whatever you want
to do oh right right.
Rather than the best of yourself, and they don't do anything to
grow that.

(45:32):
Because I think our culture isvery I think it's a very
obviously individualisticculture.
Did I see that right, you?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
did.
That felt weird, it soundedperfect to me.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I'm about to get into his hair and say yeah, and so
we focus on ourselves, but thenwe want to change ourselves
rather than switching up.
And everyone has so muchauthenticity and that can bring
up good and that can bring upbad.

(46:04):
But it's choosing who you are,it's not going into work.
I had training at Chick-fil-Aand so when I have someone new
come onto the team.
We're going over all of thesewords that's in an acronym, and
like authentic and I say likeyou were selected for a reason,
You're put in a place for areason, and like you're trusted

(46:29):
with a lot no matter who you are.
Like we're giving you, like ingeneral, you're gifted a lot of
opportunities and a lot ofresponsibilities and so I tell
them we want you to be you, wedon't want you to see someone
else.
Because my version of authenticwhen I greet someone is hey
like, welcome in, how are youdoing?
Whereas someone who is morelaid back is just like hey,
welcome in, and that's mostauthentic.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
And that's how someone's going to connect with
them.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
And I'm also like you can't just come into work.
No one, I know a lot of peopledo this.
I don't really deal with thisoften.
Just come into work and they'reslacking off or being rowdy,
whatnot, and then you say, hey,like what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I'm just being authentic, like this is just me.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And you can be you.
There are different versions ofyourself, but then there's the
best version of you and I thinkthat's the most authentic.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, and I think the best version of you in that
moment.
So like the goofy version ofyou might be the best version of
you, but work is not the righttime.
It's like right now we need youto be the best version of you
that's productive, that has thesuccess of this company and the
customers in mind.
So, yeah, I think my word forthe year, by the way, is
authentic, like that's what I'mtrying to be more of this year

(47:42):
and I want that to come throughin my fathering, my speaking, in
the book that I'm writing, allthis stuff.
I just want that true voice andwho I am to come through.
And yeah, you're right, likeyou said, it can bring up bad,
it can bring up the dark side ofus.
But since we bring that darkside into light, then we can
start to improve on that andmake all of ourself become that

(48:03):
better version of who we want usto be and start doing away with
the vices and the bad habitsand any of the negative.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Everyone says be yourself.
And you can't be your authenticself and work well in a culture
if you don't elevate yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And sometimes that's not something you do.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I know a lot of people come to me and be like
you're messing up, turn around.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
This is wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
And people have really supported me in that.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah Well, and it supports my whole message and my
mantra that something greateris always possible, which is
what this podcast is all about,which is why, honestly, I
probably would have wanted tohave you on anyway, just to be
like this is my kid.
I'm proud of her, but youreally are.
I mean, you've demonstrated apossibility mindset, because in
so many words, you've alwayssaid what else is possible?
What if I did audition for theWizard of Oz?
What else is possible?

(48:52):
What if I went to NSA and triedthis leadership thing?
Or what if I flew to Alaska orwent to Atlanta with the
leadership and did things thatother parents are like why are
you letting your kids fly?
And it's like what else is?
possible.
She wouldn't be who she iswithout us taking advantage and
just having that possibilitymindset, and that's what we
wanted to cultivate in you andit's just happened.

(49:14):
Whether we wanted to or not, itwas going to.
That was just the plan, thegreater plan, so that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You've given me a lot of opportunities.
I'm very thankful for that.
A lot of kids, a lot of kids myage were like man.
My parents would never let medo that.
You went to Florida on a oneday notice, oh that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
We need to talk about that.
Yeah, so she's got a Florida afew times with some friends.
Yeah, like on a day's notice,but again a family at the Langs
who we really trust.
Absolutely, they have sevenkids as well, homeschoolers, and
so live close to us, and sowe're like go, baby go.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Do it.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Fly, yeah, and so people will talk about my
parents would never.
And first of all, you guys haveraised me in a way to be able
to discern for myself.
I've been raised to be able tothink, and I think a lot of
people have lost that.
A lot of people are just toldwhat to do and not hey, when
you're presented with a questionor a situation, how are you

(50:14):
going to react, rather than justfollowing or not following, and
so you've already raised mewith that discernment, so I have
inherent protection from youguys because of the way I've
been raised.
On top of that, you are lookingout for me.
I get texts all the time.
Are you spending the night?
I mean, we have a life 360.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, he's like did you guys hear?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And he's like yeah, I was just watching your life 360
.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I'll be driving.
That's what I do.
I just eat popcorn and watch it360.
It's so funny, it's so funny,I'll be driving.
I'm like, oh, I can't speed,not because, of the cops, but
because I'm like my dad'swatching me, she gets a slow
down text.
I was on the road text.
What do you want from me, man?
That's hilarious.
No, not really.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
But I do feel very secure because I also can trust
myself, and I think there are alot of people who shouldn't
trust themselves.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Well, let's end on just a couple of last things,
and then I want to do a part two.
Sometime We'll bring you backwhen it feels right, when it's
you know my podcast now.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
We'll bring you back at some point.
Yeah, you'll bring me back.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I love it.
I love it.
We'll just switch spots.
Recently you went like OK, sowe're Christian.
Recently you visited a Hindutemple because Chick-fil-A she
works with you know, she worksand has a lot of friends that
are just other denominations andwe're talking like all kinds of
denominations of Christians,but also with that, mormons,

(51:38):
catholics and Hindus.
I mean, there's just likeyou're wanting to learn and I
love that that you're exploringLike what else is possible?
What do people believe?
So that when I haveconversations I can come from a
place of, oh, I understand youbetter, like I can connect with
you better.
So you've even yeah, you'rereading, I think, the Book of
Mormon, and which?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
is awesome, shameless pun.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I grew up next to a Mormon family and some great
people.
I have a lot of Mormon friends,and so it's cool, but I haven't
really learned a lot about thatreligion.
But you went to a Hindu templerecently.
Yeah, because we've livedreally close to two Hindu
temples.
What was that like?
And yeah, yeah, by the way,sorry before I know I keep
cutting you off I thought I wasproud of her.

(52:24):
Like some of her friends werelike be careful, it's.
I'm like dude, go, this isawesome.
Like I'm so proud of you forbeing bold.
And so, anyway, I'll be quiet.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I love making connections so much and we live
right by these temples and I hada lot of friends who are Hindu
in the past and I also loveresearching religions.
I think that what was atAugustine, this at all truth, is
God's truth and I think it'sreally.

(52:55):
I don't assume that I'm rightand all of my theology when.
I ask, like my Catholic friendsor my friends of other Christian
denominations, questions get toknow it, they believe or have
they interpret the Bible?
It's one because I don't thinkI am completely correct.
And two, I want to know wherethey're coming from.
I think that the Bible is 100%correct.
So I'm not saying I've met someChristians who are like, oh yes

(53:17):
, but I've brought in likeBuddha into my religion or like
still trying to find Zen in thissituation, and I don't believe
that that's right because Idon't believe in the Bible ends
with God's holy word and thescriptures.
But I do like learning whatpeople believe.
And, yeah, the temple just wentin, got to know some people.

(53:37):
They showed me around to methere, god's, I got connected
and it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, that's, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And I don't think there's much more to say to
other than I just want to learn.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
You'll learn more.
And yeah, and you know it wasquick visit this time and
obviously on the podcast I mean,I'm sure we've got people of
all kinds of yeah, we gotatheists, agnostics, hindus more
, and so the whole, the wholepoint that I'm trying to make
here is I just love how you areadventurous and you want to
understand other people and notjust living your little bubble
and be like don't try toinfiltrate my.

(54:11):
You're like, hey, let me, themore I can learn, the more I can
support it and love the peoplearound me.
That's, that's really my wholepoint with it.
And I think, even like in workculture people do, they build
their silos, they have theirbubbles, they have their clicks,
and then that they don't havethat synergy and that teamwork
factor and that the cohesion isbroken and you can't be as
productive and that affects yourbottom line ultimately.
So I'm like if everyone justhad a Claire, you know like I

(54:34):
feel like just working tounderstand people.
That's one thing I love aboutyou, you know where.
Sometimes I'll just silentlyjudge, but you're like I'm not
going to judge, I'm going to go,I'm going to go over there, I'm
going to go see what's going onover there.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I don't know.
It's trying to judge people.
Yeah Well in general, I don'tthink humans should judge others
.
I think you can discern.
I don't think you should judge,but especially if you don't
know what they believe.
I've had a lot of conversationswhere I go.
oh, we do agree on a lot ofthings, or you are right about
that and maybe I was wrongespecially with the judging part

(55:07):
, because I've grown to havethat and I think it's so silly
and it's one of the mostedifying things to walk away
from a conversation where youcould have either imposed your
faith and like penetrated it orjust like expanded that bubble.
And it's really, just like Isaid, edifying when people walk

(55:29):
away and say thank you, Iappreciate you talking to me,
because it's not often thatpeople want you to talk to them,
especially today.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, right, yeah, it's that society today.
Right?
Just kind of like keep toourselves I learned so much from
you.
I'm serious Like you are mymotivational speaker.
You teach me so much Like sweet.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
We used to take nightly walks, kind of like
before, like I was okay with you, you know, walking through the
neighborhood.
You know it was like byyourself.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I don't go on night time walks.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
We would just at night, you know, all the other
kids go to bed and so Claire andI would just walk and have
heart to hearts and talkingabout when he says that I would
talk for maybe an hour and hewould stand there and just
listen.
It was great.
It was great, but you wouldjust say things.
I'm like I need to be writingthese things down.
They're so profound and I waslike I need to write a book

(56:23):
about you, about the things yousaid.
So thanks for teaching me,thanks for demonstrating I mean
you call me out If I'm everbeing judgmental or gossipy or
those, you know those tendenciesI tend to slip into that I'm
trying to break free from you.
Help me be authentic like dad,but in a gentle, loving way.
But I appreciate that becauseif you just let it go, I

(56:44):
wouldn't, I wouldn't becomebetter.
So you are, help me embrace thepossibility mindset.
So thank you, of course, allright, it's a pleasure this is
great.
We'll do a part two for sure,and then a three and then a four
, and then a few will just keepgoing.
So, okay, I do have one lastquestion for you before I say
that hey, I want to say thanksagain to aksetter a shiny for
letting us be here.
Thank you for breakfast.
It was really good.
People.
Her breakfast looks so goodthat Sonia, as she was bringing

(57:09):
in here, said people were tryingto steal it because it was like
a yogurt parfait and it looksreally fancy.
So thankfully it made it to youand, yeah, it was good, right,
okay, and also a mudwatercomslash Devon.
You can find that link in theshow notes.
Hopefully it'll help you, likeit's helped me.
I sure hope so, and go to theYouTube for the full experience.
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(57:29):
you've had and let us know inthe comments.
You know how did?
How did Claire inspire youtoday?
What would this conversationbring to life for you, you know,
is maybe there's a yellowVolkswagen in your life that you
realized I saw.
I need to go back and payattention to that, or just be
watching for the future ones,okay, so one thing I was asked
the guest at the end is do youhave a piece of advice for my

(57:52):
daughters?
So I'm going to flip thequestion a little bit Do you
have some advice for your sixyounger sisters?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I preach to them a lot, they know.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
She's like everything I've been saying, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I think we were talking about being able to
thank for yourself, and I worryabout my sisters.
I'm, I'm.
I don't want to side step faith.
Obviously, get to know Jesus,love him, growing him done, but
on top of that, learn how tothank for yourself and discern
in a situation was right andwrong, and you grow in that.

(58:31):
The closer you get to God andthe closer you get to the word,
the more you spend time in it.
But spend time thinking, notbecause you trust yourself.
I often just think about whatother people told me because I
don't have much wisdom thathasn't just been handed to me on
a silver platter.
And listen to me clearly.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Well, thank for yourself, though that's good,
because sometimes we do justlike like, like a sheet being
led to the slaughterhouse.
We just like, oh, okay, youknow whoever's given us that
information.
It's like, stop, be a littlebit like curious, right, which I
think is super important, thatwe just get curious and not not
necessarily even defensive,right, but just like, hey, I'm
tell me more, you know, tell mewhat's going on here.

(59:17):
So I like that.
Thank for yourself, be curious,that's great.
Okay, we're going to wrap it.
The question we always ask iswhat else is possible.
I'm going to say what else yousay is possible, and then we're
going to say goodbye.
You ready for this?
Let's do it.
Never stop asking the questionwhat else is possible?
See you next time.