#25 Living with Intention with Brad Ellis

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, what's up everybody.
Welcome to the possibilitymindset podcast.
I'm Devon Henderson, I'm yourhost and I believe that
something greater is alwayspossible for you.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, let's jump in.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm going to introduce Brad here in just a
minute.
Question do you sweat profuselyfrom your armpits?
That's not a question for you,that's a question for them.
Sorry, I should have prefacedthat.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Brad, this is not for you.
Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Can you never wear light colors because you know
you'll have a huge wet spot?
Once you start doing anythingvigorous, like clapping your
hands or texting someone, youstart sweating.
That's me, and I'm goingsomewhere with this, I promise
you.
When you wear black, does ithave to be the right black even
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Speaker 2 (02:46):
We're on the run, but you were saying how good the
coffee is oh, the coffee's thebest and I feel like I'm a
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Speaker 1 (02:55):
You've been here.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh yeah, wow, oh yeah .
My wife is, I don't know, 100pounds.
She's so skinny, but she'll go.
She'll or two plates here,she'll get the eggs benedict and
something else and she'll justgo to town.
That's awesome, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
But again like this sometimes these guests just pop
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And then after you took a drinkof coffee and he's like oh,
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He's like oh sorry, devon,because you know I'm 100 plus
days off coffee, but but it'sall, good man we're, we're
getting through it.
So hey, brad, good to have youhere.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Hey man, good to have , good to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Everybody, brad Ellis , my new found friend.
So Brad, christian husband,father of three, cohost of the
ghost runners podcast.
You've seen his sketch comedyskits on YouTube.
You know it is Gene shortscomedy.
And then let's flip on what hedoes.
He also does, ellis, customcreations for custom made
furniture.
It's like YouTuber, podcaster,woodworker.

(03:51):
That's right, that's I was like,I mean, everyone was expecting
oh, woodworkers next, after,after this, gene shorts.
You know he is passionate abouthis faith, his family, his
sports, music, woodworking andcomedy, and so we're going to
have fun talking about thistoday.
I mean, we have some.
We have a lot of things incommon.
We found out after we had ourfirst coffee.

(04:11):
It was like what, and so so wehave some things to talk about
we're going to, but you know,obviously we're going to talk
about possibilities for for youand we want to hear about what's
next.
What are you excited about?
How are you able to, like,maintain everything that's going
on while pursuing the greaterpossibilities?
So so let's, let's start withthis.
We had a mutual friend, mydaughter, who, like, works at

(04:33):
Chick-fil-A.
It was a fan of gene shortscomedy.
By the way, if you don't followthem already on YouTube, go to
gene shorts comedy, hilariousskits and then also the ghost
runners podcast.
So you guys really have itgoing on.
I mean, you, you have retreatsand stuff for your podcast fans,
people fly in, right, and you,in fact, you even have some

(04:56):
upcoming event this summer, likeat a resort or something where
people are coming.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know, beach House Resort, sounds
resort is generous for it yeah.
Well, you know we, we basically, yeah, we're we're hosting a
vacation for our fans.
It's awesome.
Yeah, it's like basically wefound the biggest beach house we
could find, biggest, nicestbeach house in Gulf Shores,
alabama.
And yeah, there's like I thinkit we're doing two different
sessions, but there's going tobe like 70 people total coming,
yeah, to have fun and justvacation with us on the beach.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Man, is it sold out yet?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's not quite sold out, so there you go, there you
go.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I don't know when.
This is coming out in likemaybe a month, so I don't know
when is the retreat?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
It'll be the end of April.
April into May, so April 27ththrough the fourth of May.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
So maybe too late at this point to get tickets by the
time you're hearing this, butthat'd be incredible.
Yeah, try it.
Where could they get tickets ifthey?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Ghostrunnerslife is our website, becausecom was
taken by some other people.
Who knows?
But Ghostrunners is life.
You know Ghostrunnerslife.
All right, man, there, it isAll right.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
We'll link to that too in the show notes, so
appreciate that, okay.
So so, claire, my daughter youknow was already a fan of yours
was working in Chick-fil-A andwho should come through the
drive-thru?
But Brad Ellis, right, do itlike shooting a video for Gene
Shorts right.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It was like, yeah, every parent with a minivan or
something like that, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, yeah, and so she was featured, kind of it,
you know, I don't know, givingyou the food or something at the
drive-thru and then at the endI think made some of the
outtakes or something, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, because I mean, our channel is big-ish, but not
that big in the grand scheme ofthe world, and so we're not
used to being recognized.
And then all of a sudden we gothrough the drive-thru, this
Chick-fil-A, thinking oh, we'regoing to be kind of
uncomfortable filming this thing.
And she's like, hey, I know youguys, you guys have Gene Shorts
coming.
I was like, yeah, we are, thankyou for knowing us.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
That is, that is awesome, man.
Well, and what she told meearlier that day I think we
talked about this when I had heron the podcast was she was
thinking that day about wouldn'tthat be weird if the Gene
Shorts people came here toChick-fil-A?
And then you came that day andthe world just works like that
sometimes, where when you'rekind of like following something
, you're into something youthink about.
Could this like become part ofmy life in some way?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And there it was very , very weird.
Just wild, yeah, just just see.
And.
And then, of course, shestarted coming to church with us
and then you guys startedcoming.
It is awesome, I know I know.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
So then I I you know finally meet Brad at church and
he's taking care of one of ourkids, because he's a, he's that
kind of guy, he's just gonna,you know, take care of babies
with his wife he and Catherine,which was awesome.
And so I'm like, oh, this, thisguy's neat.
And then it.
Then it turns out I'm like, oh,he, he does the podcast thing,
he's a YouTuber.
I'm kind of transitioning.
Well, I'm not transitioning,I'm adding more of a trying to

(07:28):
add more to my YouTube channel,have a bit greater impact.
Started the podcast recently,so I was like we have things to
learn.
And then it turns out you mightwant to do more speaking.
So I was like we have things totalk about.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
So, yeah, it was so funny, we hung out or hung out,
we talked probably 10 timesevery you know when I would see
you in the hallway, but it wasalways like how's it going?
Hey, good to see you.
Oh, you have 15 kids.
Okay, go 10 to your 50, youknow whatever.
And so it's just, it's justchaos.
Yeah, as you're transitioning,you know getting all these you
know kids picked up andeverything, and so I didn't even
get to know you at all.

(07:58):
And all of a sudden I get toknow you and I'm like, oh, we're
like one the same, I mean ourcircles, like we just found out.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
You know Tyler Hilker , who was on the podcast once
before, from a connection inOregon where they're from, and
your sister happened to go upthere and do some missions.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, they work together.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I mean the circles overlap, it's crazy.
And then then it turns out thatyour sister and my wife were
sorority sisters.
We put this together while wewere having coffee and it was
like such a mind blowing moment.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
It was like what?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, so just a small world thing, and and then you
know, it turns out you had awater birth or a home birth for
your you know one of yours andwe had started home births at
1.2.
It turns out you're like a hugefan of the office, which I mean
, who is?
I know it's like what?
You love the office, yeah, ohmy gosh, that's insane.
But I mean you and Jake, youryour co-host, and you know

(08:48):
what's Jake's last name?
Triplet, triplet.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let me know.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Jake, it's.
It's crazy.
You guys are fans of the office.
I don't know if you're like me,but I will drop office quotes
around people who have no ideawhat I'm talking about.
I'll be like.
I'll be back.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I am back and I'm just kind of like what?
But I'm just kind of like right, Right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And I mean Lynn and I have so many just all the time,
uh, quotes from the office, soI really appreciated that about
you and Jake, that that's likeone of the things you know.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I want there to be like an office fan quiz that
like sets your status as far ashow deep of an office is.
I think everyone's a fan of theoffice quote, unquote but I
feel like I'm like really deepinto like Uber fan yeah.
And it was like I liked them.
I mean I started watching rightwhen it came out in high school
.
Okay, uh and just yeah, just abig high school.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
You're aging me, dude .
I already had like what?
10 kids.
At that point, man, I didn'thave time to watch the office.
I had to watch, you know reruns.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm using the word reruns, he's using Netflix.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
You're like what's a rerun?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, exactly Name that movie.
What's a rerun?
Yeah, what the heck is a rerun.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know.
It goes back to the future.
Oh yeah, that's all right man.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I've only seen that like twice in my life.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
See, that used to be my favorite movie, so I was just
obsessed.
But that was back in my day, Imean, that came out way before
you were born.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I remember back when we went and saw the pictures
Friday night.
The picture show my dad calledhim the picture show.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh man, that's great dude.
So we had, yeah, the office andthen um.
So then you had this, uh, thiswater birth thing.
Was it a water birth or just ahome birth?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Technically it was not a water birth.
I mean you can listen to thewhole story on Ghost Runners
podcast.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
But I mean I have a, so 4,560.
I think it's called like thecraziest birth story of all time
.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's the name of the episode, but I mean, yeah, the
long story short.
The, the, the tub that you'resupposed to, you know, have this
delivery in or whatever have itas an option uh, was leaking
out all over my brand newhardwood floors and so, as my
wife is in like excruciatinglabor, battling through it, I am
like literally bailing waterout of my house out into the

(10:51):
backyard from this tub.
That's just getting all over myyou know, $1,000 hardwood
floors.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Did you lay these floors?
No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I hired somebody to do it.
I've learned that if I can hiresomebody with house projects,
just sure.
Okay, all right, don't causethe stress, so anyway, but just
yeah yeah, and so of course, Iwas like frustrated, but I'm
like this is not the real thing.
That's crazy and stressfulright now, right, but in my head
I'm like, hey, this is aproblem, we got to do something
about it.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You're talking about.
The birth wasn't the bigproblem, it was the floors that
was come on.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
The water is going to mess up the wood here.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, if you could just put a hold on that and help
me bail some water.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Do you mind?
Just helping out earlier.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You're just going to lay there, grab a buck, come on.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So I mean it's a long story, but yeah long story
short is that happened and thenthe midwife is supposed to get
there and help out.
She didn't get there in time.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
So literally birth.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I was, I was, I caught the baby.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
No way, it was wild.
Okay, your story is better thanmine, cause we have.
I mean, I used to do a comedybit about our first water birth
and thought it was pretty good.
But wow, dude, that's insane itwas.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
It was something to behold.
I mean, it was one of thoselike God is real, this is wild,
this is, I mean, a miracle, Idon't know.
And I and before that that wasour third child and before that
the other two babies I was sonervous about anything birth
related, like they're like youwant to cut the cord and I'm
like no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'm not, I'm not.
I have to be in the house.
Well, yeah, what if I?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
mess up on you know, and and this time they're like
do you want to cut the cord?
I was like give me those, I'lldo.
I'll do anything you want me todo At this point.
I'm just an MD, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
So I have to know, just because I know the details
of not that I'm going to get,but the baby comes out.
I've always worried about whento cut the envelope or when to
tie it off.
Did you just then hold the babyand wait till the midwife got
there to do all that?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
other yes.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
How long did the midwife get there after the
birth?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's been.
It's up for speculation.
Catherine, my wife, who doesn'thave a watch on her, thinks it
was like 30 seconds.
I think it was seven minutes.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It was very, it felt very fast.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
What's the midwife say.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
She was just.
I mean, so we like FaceTime themidwife as she's like going 90
miles an hour down the road and,to be fair to the midwife, my
wife was like so considerate andso kind, like yeah, it's okay.
I mean I don't think I'm thatfar into labor yet.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Because there's so many false alarms you hate
putting them through.
That Totally.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And this midwife had another appointment down south
and we're you know, up NorthernJohnson County, whatever like 30
minutes away.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, the rich part of town.
Yeah, we're doing just fine.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
No, yeah, and our three bed, two bath, you know.
But you know, so she's likeFaceTiming me going very fast
down the highway and so, which Ican't imagine what that
FaceTime would look like to her,oh right, and the people
driving next to her like what is?
Mommy, I don't think you'reallowed to look at that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
So no, but how long did the midway?
You said seven minutes.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think it was seven minutes or so, but the midway
thought what did she have a timeto?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I don't know.
I didn't know if it was like weshould ask her about it.
Yeah, you should ask her.
Yeah, I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Next, time I was yeah , but like I mean she got there,
yeah, to answer your question,though it was just we just held
that thing and just you know,just put her close to mom and
just waited, just like don't,don't screw anything up, like
just just sit here.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So it was a wild time , I have not heard this story.
Oh yeah, and there's morethere's more to it.
I want to hear and I want to golisten to it, because, between
the water, and the midwife notbeing there.
I'm like what?
Is that just the tip of theiceberg?
Then, yeah there's okay, Iwon't make you get into it now,
but the inside joke for it iscalled.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
They call it puddle city with the, with the all the
water.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Oh, the floor's okay.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
The floors are okay.
If I pointed out, you'd noticeit a little- I'd see it, but not
terrible.
I mean, but if you like kind ofrun your feet across it, you'd
be like oh yeah, it's not quiteas smooth as the rest of the
floor.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
But Do you ever like rub it in with your wife?
Oh man, this is the spot.
You ever call that with anargument I was hoping to have
some kind of a discount fromthis midwife place?
Oh right.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Listen, you gave me a faulty tongue and you didn't
get there on time.
Like we spent money on this,you know whatever, but they did
a great job yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I ultimately it comes down to.
In a situation like that, I'mlike man if everything turned
out healthy, I'll pay whatevermoney, 100%.
You know the fact that it wentokay 100%.
It's like you don't even careafter that and I was I mean I
was so anti all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I was like as go to the hospital for every single
thing ever.
And now I've definitely shiftedmy mindset of like hey, I like,
I mean there's so many benefitsto the home birth thing.
Yeah, oh, for sure, but yeah,for the longest time I was like
that is the weirdest thinganybody could ever do.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I know, I know I'm we're never doing that.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I think, I told my wife that we're never doing that
.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I've said that about so many things in my life.
And look at me now.
I was doing all these weirdthings Exactly Re-evaluate.
So well, man, as much as Iwould love to just back up and
find out about Brad from, justyou know, kindergarten on, we
don't have time for that today.
But man, I was telling Lynn, Itold, I told her I was like man,
I feel like I could have Bradon here all day.
Come on, you know, with with asmuch as we have in common and
as cool as you are.

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But tell me about thewoodworking business.
How did you get started in that?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
What's that like?
So yeah, I got startedliterally right when we got
married.
I had like 13 days before myreal job, like we got married.
I got married right out of high, high school, not, I'm not that
wild Right out of college andyou're an orthodox, but come on.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, I mean come on, we're having homebursts, but
we're not that great.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
No, we're homeschooling our kids.
We're not that weird, no.
But yeah, I got married shortlyafter graduating college, got
my first job that I was startinglike 13 days after marriage and
so was just so bored for those13 days and my wife was working
and I was just so and she's likeyou just need to have some kind
of hobby and she's like maybethis coffee table, we need a

(16:36):
coffee table for our house.
And we went to Nebraska forIntermar wherever and it was so
expensive to buy a coffee tableand it was crappy materials.
So I was like I guess I canlearn how to make one of those
and literally had never.
I mean, my dad is the best manin the world, but he is not a
handy guy at all.
Like I couldn't.
I did not grow up knowing thedifference between a two by four

(16:57):
and a two by six and whateverLike didn't grow up using the
drill.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You guys didn't even own a ruler.
I mean right that was about.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
yeah, we had a protractor for geometry class
and that was about it.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And by the way, pause real quick.
That was the other thing yourdad and my mom have worked
together at Johnson CountyCommunity College for like 80
years or something I mean yeah,I got lunch right after I met
with you, with my dad.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's like I know, devin, I'm like, of course you
do, I know, I mean this that'swhat that coffee was like.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
It was like all these discoveries.
So I had to pause there becauseI forgot that.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh yeah, okay, so here you are.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
You have to make this coffee table.
You've never done this, that's.
That's then what?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
And and yeah, just just.
I just YouTubeed a lot ofvideos, watched some people tell
me how to cut wood with a saw.
I mean I did.
I literally had to like look up, like how do you make a
straight cut on a saw?
Like I was that amateur.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
How do you reattach a finger?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, genuine.
And so somehow, you know,miraculously, this first coffee
table turned out okay and I wasso proud of it because I'd never
done anything like that.
And then you know, six monthslater or so, I was in the market
, or the desire, I guess, tojust buy a new guitar.
But I didn't have.
We were newlyweds, I didn'thave any money.
And so I was like, well, maybeif I just made a little extra,

(18:06):
spending money by sellinganother table or two.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh, I thought you were going to say you made a
guitar.
No, I was like what?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That would be incredible.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I needed newcars.
I just built one real quick, no, so yeah, just I was like maybe
I could make enough money onthe side doing this, this
woodworking thing.
And so I remember the firstcoffee table I ever sold.
I think I made like $40.
And that I felt like a king.
Sure, I was like I can'tbelieve I just made $40 doing

(18:32):
something very fun.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think that's more money than I've profited from
this podcast.
It made me All of today.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's like what yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Who am I working for?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah and so, yeah, it was like it was awesome.
And so I was working corporatejob and doing this little
woodworking thing on the sideand I got so busy with both of
them that eventually I was like,well, I got to quit one or the
other.
Ah, I was working like 18 hoursa day.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I missed it.
What was, what was the real jobat that point?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Oh yeah, Cerner.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh, it was Cerner.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Okay, okay, IT pharmacy IT tech company for
hospitals.
So, yeah, yeah, Healthcare IT,I guess, is what they call it.
So not a fun job by any means,kind of a soul sucking classic
like first job out of college,like no one really cares about
you, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But yeah, did it and was fine, didn't hate it, but it
was not fulfilling to me likethis woodworking thing was.
And so yeah, quit about twoyears into working at Cerner,
and I've been doing thatwoodworking thing now like
almost eight years, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's what, and it's funny.
It wasn't like a dream, it waslike you know what I mean from a
kit.
It was like your wife's, likethis needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Boom Well it was all I alwayshad like, I think, desires
growing up to be an entrepreneurof something.
I always liked sales.
I liked the idea of likesomehow being persuasive or
selling things to people andenjoying that aspect of business
.
But I never wanted to just dosales for something I didn't
care about.
Like I never wanted to like.

(19:58):
I remember I interviewed for ajob at a freight company that
was like you would sell freightand I'm like I don't even know
what freight is.
I'm not passionate about freight, you know, whereas, like tables
and stuff, like tables to merepresent, you know, turning a
house into a home.
I grew up around the dinnertable with my family.
Okay, you know, we would tellthe best stories, have great
memories, have great, you knowwhatever, bible studies, game

(20:19):
nights, all these differentthings with friends, and so to
me, I'm like, if I can buildthings that can cultivate a
deeper meaning than just abeautiful piece of furniture,
that's what I get excited about.
So that's I love that that'sthe whole.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Why I mean that's what everyone's searching out.
Why am I doing this?
You know it's so so importantit's like, what else is possible
?
You know, selling freight, yeah, but what if I?
What if?
What's possible, if I like?
Impassioned about what I do andI'm transforming lives,
cultivating values for otherpeople that I have found value
in myself growing up, so I lovehow that really became a passion
.
That's.

(20:52):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Because people care about the wood and the way it
looks to an extent, but reallypeople care about what.
Can I get out of this thing?
What are the benefits.
Who cares about how you joinedthe wood together and what
finish you use?
Some people might like somedorky like woodworking guys like
me would like that, but most ofthe people are like I just want
a beautiful table for my familyto grow around, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So yeah, Anyway that's what you're making me
think of, as I've been likeputting some new illusions,
illusions, magic tricks into mykeynote, and so whenever I do
that, I have like a magic friendthat I jam with and we care
about all the behind the scenesaspects of magic and like we
geek out about it.
I'm like this is cool, this isawesome and it's part of what
you do, but the audience justsees the, the result.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, the end product , kind of with you.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like, like you know, a lot of people don't know how
you glue wood together and howlong that takes, but it's like
this is a beautiful table andyou're kind of like man.
You enjoy the behind the scenesaspect of that Totally.
There's something, somethingfun about it.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, they're, yeah, they're.
It's cool.
It is fun to, yeah, worry aboutthose things, but at the end of
the day, if it doesn't work asa functional table, who cares
how you put it together?
If the trick doesn't awesome,buddy, who cares how you know
what you did to get there, orwhatever?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
So so just curious now, before we move on to all
things podcasting and everythingelse you do what is the wood
weekend working business looklike today?
Is it just Kansas City?
Do you ship things, do you?
Go to their home and measurelike table space.
What's that look like?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yes to all.
All of the above, yeah.
So I mean because of the podcast.
We've had people obviouslylistening to us from all over
the place.
I talked about my woodworkingbusiness on there and the
stories that I, you know, havefrom that, and so, mainly
because of the podcast, I'vestarted selling all over the
United States, but I prefer todo it locally, just because then
I can, yeah, go to their house,measure and everything, but

(22:37):
yeah, I'll ship it out.
I've shipped it to all.
I mean probably I don't know 25different States at this point
yeah.
So, which is always a little bitnerve-wracking, because if it
gets shipped and they don't likesomething, or you know- the
ship the people that ship itmess up.
It's like I don't know what totell you.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I have to hire somebody out there or something,
so but yeah mainly local, butI'll do anything and everything.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's why I say everything from tape, custom
tables to chairs, to shelving,to you name it.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I obviously, like I said, kind of prefer the
dining table.
You know aspect of all thisstuff, but I'll build almost
anything.
I don't love cabinets peopleask me about cabinets.
I'm like I'm not gonna docabinets I don't want to like
install Into somebody's housethat that I don't know.
I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'm not comfortable with.
The dining room table is kindof like your niche.
That's my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, that's the thing I get most pumped about,
because then I can meet thesefamilies who then like, for
example, zach is friends withOliver, one of his best friends,
oliver's dad, is ordering atable biggest table I think I'll
ever make.
I mean it's 13, 14 feet long.
I mean gonna hold 20 people onit because they're just like we
like to host people.
We like to have that as manypeople as we can around this

(23:49):
table, so that I get excitedabout that kind of thing more
than I get excited about yeah, Ibuilt some floating shelves for
some plates to go on you know,yeah, yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
So so father of three starts a woodworking business
and decides you know what?
I'm not busy enough.
Right, let's start a podcastand start a YouTube channel.
That's just gonna like crush it.
So talk to me about that.
How did that come up?
How did you and Jake say it?
Let's do this.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, on accident basically I mean.
So Jake and I have been friendsfor a long time.
He actually worked in ministrywith my wife and so We've done a
few like fun things like thepodcast or like these videos on
the side, just for fun.
Probably seven or eight yearsago we kind of started doing
some different things like that.
But he got into podcasts beforeI ever did I'd never really

(24:34):
listened to podcasts before andhe's like we should start one.
I was like, yeah, okay, thatsounds cool.
What, why not?
I'll do whatever you want me todo, man.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But that's what you're doing.
Someone's your best friend.
You just say, hey, it's justtrust, doing it together.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, that's what it was was just like let's just
spend time recording ourconversations.
It wasn't like this oh, this isgonna be this magic formula
that we're gonna make money fromand so were you not even
thinking money, no monetizing atall.
I don't know if I was thinkingperiod.
I don't know I honestly, Idon't know if I had any
aspirations for this thinginitially.
I think I will say so.

(25:06):
Jake used to live in.
Jake took like a year to livein Dallas and worked for this
youtuber juggling Josh, what'shis name?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, fun guy.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Would probably be right up there, aligned with,
you know, magicians and junkersright there.
Anyway, did some fun videos withhim and he would come and visit
Kansas City and I would.
He would stay with me, I woulddrive him to the airport and
then the car on the way to theairport We'd have these funny
conversations.
And that was right when thecomedians and cars getting
coffee Jerry Seinfeld show Wasgetting so popular and I was

(25:34):
like I'm not trying to say thatwe're like Jerry Seinfeld, but
like this is kind of similar tocomedians, the cars getting
coffee, like these conversationsare just fun and whatever.
And so he's like we shouldstart a podcast.
So we move back to Kansas Cityand we started this podcast and
it's, it's truly about nothing.
I mean we just we just talkabout our lives.
I mean that's what it's aboutis our lives.
It's not about like we're notinterviewing people to make them

(25:56):
better in leadership or life oranything, we're just talking
about our lives.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, it's one of those podcasts that I love,
where, like not that it puts meto sleep, but if I'm going to
sleep, yeah, it's not gonna makeme like like emotionally
charged around politics or newsor current events, kind of like
just fun, so that you can likerelax and it's an enjoyable list
, or even on a road trip.
I'll be like, I just feel likechilling, yeah.
Yeah, turn your brain off alittle bit and just just have

(26:22):
some fun.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I mean we keep it clean.
Maybe ever once while we'llhave an innuendo in there
because Jake just got married orsomething.
But like I mean it's okay tolisten to it front of your kids.
You know, like we keep it clean.
We were very positive and thatfirst it was kind of just that's
who we are.
And then we realized the morethat we've got feedback from
people they don't care as muchabout how funny we are.
I mean they like that aspect ofit, but I think they really

(26:44):
just enjoy Listening to two guyswho are positive.
Yeah, we talked highly abouttheir wives.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah like.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
As crazy as that sounds, these days it's.
It's less and less common tofind people that are just
enjoying life and notcomplaining about everything and
whatever.
So it's been a fun, fun journeyto see how it's progressed and
how we've got fans.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's, it's weird that it's crazy man.
Yeah, it's the part that I'mtrying to more just like think
okay, I have an impact from thestage.
How can I impact a bigger, youknow, following online?
Because I feel like the messageis something that gives people
hope.
So it's like okay.
So I'm kind of watching youguys saying how do I take what
I'm doing and turn it into moreof that where I just reach more?
You can just reach more peopleyou know, and so.

(27:27):
So just curious what year didyou start the podcast and why'd
you call it ghost runners?
Yeah but Lynn asked me at theother day she goes what is this
ghost runners thing?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I was like I I think if you ask Jake, he would say I,
we should have called itanything, but I loved the ghost
runners day, but we started in2019.
So when I only had one kid atthat time, so I wasn't that okay
, add one more thing, start in2019.
And we call it ghost runnersbecause we were like what should
we name this podcast?
And I said as a kid, you know,I don't know about you, but I

(27:57):
always wanted to have a band.
Growing up, I was one of theband, like to be in a band, and
my favorite band growing up wasdeath cab for cutie and they all
they nicknamed death cab forcutie death cab.
And so I was like I want myband to be called ghost runner.
On second, which is like youknow, yeah, the wiffle ball term
, or when you don't have enoughpeople to run the bases, and
you're like, all right, ghostruns.
And I want, I want people tonickname us ghost runner.

(28:18):
And so I was like what if wejust name our podcast ghost
runners and it's wait?
So, literally, that was aboutas much thought as we put into
it.
Jake was like, sure, yeah, Idon't care, I'm not gonna do
this for more than five episodesprobably, so why not?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I never tied it to that ghost runner the other
ghost runner, for we used to saythat all the time playing
kickball and a wiffle ball, andI was always thinking ghost, but
ghost bussers, or like ghosthunters or something.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But that makes so much more sense, yeah so so many
people are like, oh, it must besome, you know, spiritual, like
talking about ghosts, and I'mlike it's not about ghosts.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
And that's why.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Jake doesn't like it.
He's like oh, I see, whereas Istill like it because it's it's
so different and memorable.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
That's the thing is so catchy and I mean marketing
people will try to, like youknow, always talking theory
about.
Well, here's why you should,man.
If it's working, it's working.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
If you're here, ghost runners once and you're not
gonna forget, yeah, yeah so thenalso Jean shorts.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, you know but is that there?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
was another, yeah, just super random.
Jake had like for a while Donedifferent like videos where he
just wore Jean shorts in hisvideos, like he would go off of
you know ramp at a water parkwearing change and you know
doing all these goofy things,and I thought it was like it's
one of those things where you'rejust gonna remember Jean shorts
.
It kind of had a little bit ofa second you know meaning behind

(29:33):
the shorts aspect of you knowYouTube shorts or whatever.
But we threw around a fewdifferent ideas.
One of them that I liked thatwe didn't end up doing was
rectangle pizza, because do youremember?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yes, with corn, yeah, like the old-school lunch
rectangle pizza, or we talkabout good pizza you know, just
super nonsensical.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, I don't know why they call it rectangle pizza
, but it's funny and they'regonna remember it.
So went with Jean shorts andbut yeah, people are always like
, oh, you guys, are the the bluejeans guys?
Right, I'm like pretty close,almost Jean shorts.
So Another one that just.
Yeah, I think originally TreyKennedy, who we started the
channel with, one to call it doless, god bless shorts, or

(30:13):
something like that, and I waslike let's just call it Jean
shorts.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, what you said made me look.
I looked up a comedian he was.
I think he was from here inKansas City.
No, charlotte, north Carolina.
Mike Spienberg, okay, hefeatured here one time at the
Kansas City Improv and talkedabout the rectangle pizza.
Oh yeah, all about generationalthings from kids from like the
80s and 90s.
He was talking about that.
You know who would roll uptheir corn right in their

(30:38):
rectangle pizza.
Look him up, mike Spienberg.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It was like a little burrito.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yes, he talked about rat tails, he talked about big
wheels and once you start likeit loses the traction.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, so he's awesome and that's kind of my mindset
is like Listening some kind ofnostalgia behind ghost writer on
second, you know, you said likeoh, we used to say that all the
time.
You know, like we have afootball like little, like
alternate podcast, so we doevery once in a while called
all-time quarterback.
So the same kind of idea likewhen you're a kid, you don't
have enough people to play bothsides.

(31:09):
I'll be the all-timequarterback.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So yes.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Anyway, gene shorts, kind of the same idea.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
So so you're into sports like what is football
then?
Like the big, I know you guyshave done some football.
You know skits and that kind ofthing with gene shorts.
Yeah, did you play football,drew up?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
playing football.
Yeah, high school is pretty bigdeal in high school for me to
play and but I I like basketballthe most, I like playing
basketball the most, but I Don'tlook like a basketball player,
look like a football player.
So therefore I was better atfootball.
But I I get really passionateabout the chiefs.
Obviously, anybody in KansasCity right now is so into it,
but we've done a few differentgene shorts, chiefs parade

(31:43):
videos actually, where we justgo and interview people at the
parade and Just get so into that.
Um, and yeah, just love, lovebasketball.
Grew up a huge ku Basketballfan.
Even though I went to k-state,I still maintain a huge k?
U fandom with my dad and so getreally into that as well.
So, yeah, just I love, lovesports, I love what it can like,
what it taught me as far as youknow, just leaning on somebody

(32:07):
else as a team, learning how tofail together, learning how to
you know individually fail, butsomebody else picks you up and
then you can still succeed, kindof thing, and so it's just,
it's special to me, it'ssomething I'm excited for
hopefully my kids to experiencesomeday, to play in some sports.
So, yeah, it's my daughter.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right now she's six and she just started her first
year of cheerleading, which isnot sports but it was yeah, I
just wanted to do cheerleadingnext year, and upward too, and
it's kind of like all right, Imean it is a sport.
Yeah, it's just one of thethings where it's uh, it's a
different vibe, right whenyou're going to watch and be a
spectator and you know so it's.

(32:45):
We're trying to wrap our mindsaround.
Is this really what they wantto do, and is it the best thing?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
now I just sound like some anti cheerleader, like no,
I don't do cheerleading every,every cheer.
I'm clapping at the end of it,like you know, I don't know what
else.
Kind of, just it's cheerly,just kind of over on the side.
And when she she gets done withthat cheer I clap.
I wave to she's still at theage where she's not embarrassed
by me.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
She's waving every time.
It's.
It's awesome, though.
By the way, you know we'vementioned your family.
Shout out to your sister, dana.
I mentioned your sister.
I don't know actually said hername when I said she and linda
would, but Dana, awesome, I knewher from case.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Oh yeah, my sisters are the best.
I'm the baby of art family myDana's, 10 years older than me,
julie's, eight years older thanme, and they're they're awesome
role models.
It was like I had three moms ina good way like growing up.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So yeah, hey, I was a surprise too.
So yeah I was, I was the third.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And yeah, my mom says no, no, no, brad, we just, we
stopped at perfection, westopped at perfection.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I was like yeah, that's good life, and then had
you.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, then.
Yeah, julie was great, then wehave yeah, no, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, my, my dad was older.
He was like 49 when I was born,and so he's.
You know.
I used to say he's always likeyou are surprised.
I was like, so were you gramps.
I was not expecting 49 I know,I know man.
So oh, brother, anyway, okay.
So I mean, when I look at yourlife and I'm sure when a lot of
people look at your life they'relike what else is possible?
Things are already going sogreat.

(34:02):
But when you have a possibilitymindset, I mean you're young,
you know, and you're stillthinking like what else could I
do?
Well, what else is possible atthis point, even though things
are going well right.
So so what else is possible foryou at this point, brad,
concerning, you know, career, um, how to support your family?
Moving forward, what's, what'sthis look like right now?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
for you.
Yeah, I mean, I think I, as asas I'm getting further into life
uh, you know, I'm 33.
I'm I'm wise at this point, youknow.
No, but the the more and more Iget into family life, the more
I become a dad, the morepassionate I am about family,
about assault, like what itmeans to be a good dad.

(34:41):
I think I think we have a hugefatherhood problem in America.
I think I think dads are notgood.
A lot, uh, or a lot of thethings that are issues in
America come back to dads notbeing great, and so I get more
and more passionate about beinga strong family man, teaching
other people what it looks liketo be a better family man, what,
what we can do better in thatregard, and and then obviously,

(35:03):
marriage as well, because Ithink there's a lot of single
moms because the dads aren'tthere, and and how, how big of a
deal that is.
So I think in my head, I'm likethat's, that's what I'm excited
to talk to you and get to you,to know you more about Is like
the speaking aspect of things.
I would love to obviously makepeople laugh, but at the end of
the day, I also want to makepeople, you know, think
differently and and view thisworld differently and find your

(35:25):
identity and something deeperthan just whatever your job or
whatever.
So Because I think I think, as,as men, we have a responsibility
, as godly men especially, wehave a responsibility to be
great dads, to to, you know,cultivate the next generation of
leaders, and and so I getexcited thinking about that, and
so, yeah, I think Maybe somedaydown the line I'll be doing

(35:46):
speaking of some sort Um.
If not that, then some kind ofvideo speaking or whatever,
maybe a different podcast that'smore centered around that.
I don't know, we'll see Um, butright now it's just an
interesting like we'll just seewhat God gives us and see how we
want to pivot, you know, alongthe way, cause obviously I
didn't ever think I was going tobe a woodworker and then from
there I didn't think I was goingto stop doing a lot of

(36:08):
woodworking to do morepodcasting and video stuff, and
so it's just a matter of how doI continue to see what is in
front of me, considering you, tosee the opportunities and try
to lean into those as best I can.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
So yeah.
So, from what you're seeing,what could dads be doing better?
Like what would it take for tobe like okay, now we've, now
we've got it going, the dads aredoing their job.
What would that look like?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean, I think just intentionality, um, and just
just being there, you know, Ithink that's I, that's so simple
, but it's something that Ithink we're becoming less and
less present, whether it'sphysically or it's literally,
like you're looking at a screenthe entire time.
You're with your child, Right,you know, I mean I, I'm, I'm
guilty of that all the timewhere I'm just like they're

(36:50):
going to grow up, I mean, mykids are growing up in a culture
where they've never seen me notlooking at my screen, every
single day in front of it, youknow, and so, um, I think so
often it's, it's especially as ayoung parent.
it's how do I get through theday, rather than how do I win
the day with my kid?
You know, how do I, how do I,how do I just get to bedtime,
and then it's.
I don't know, I feel like youprobably resonate with this

(37:12):
maybe not, you know, with asmany kids as you have, but, like
so often, it's like how do weget to bedtime, how do we get to
the time where it's just me andmy wife?
And then, when it's you andyour wife, you're like scrolling
through your phone looking atpictures of your kids and it's
like I missed them.
It's like, well, if you missthem so much in the moment or
you know afterwards, likeunderstand the moment, and so I
mean I'm not perfect.

(37:33):
I'm.
I'm still learning so muchabout all this stuff.
But one of the things I'mintentional with is we call it
dadder days on Saturday morning.
Just taking the kids out tobreakfast, just me and them.
And right now I mean my oldestdaughter.
She's six years old, and sowe're not having like deep
conversations, but I try to wehave these like conversation
starter questions.
We call them uncommon questions.
Got this like box of, like thisdeck of cards, and usually I

(37:56):
try to like pick out a few likepretty simple ones, like how do
you describe yourself or what'syour favorite movie, and then
it's like get a little more of adeep one, like you know, what
does it mean?
to follow Jesus or something?
Like that so um, you know, justjust trying to cultivate
memories with them, trying to um, just, yeah, just be
intentional.
I think is the the main answerthere.
That's how my dad was.

(38:17):
My dad, you know, took me ontrips, just him and me.
You know, him and I whatever,the just me and my father.
So, uh, you know, and just, and,and yeah, I don't remember
every conversation, I don'tremember many conversations by
dad had, but I remember theintent behind it and and it just

(38:37):
it's impactful to me today.
It's, it makes me want to be abetter man for my kids.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
So yeah, do you have like hard and fast rules for
your phone and like cause?
I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Um, but sometimes I'm like, okay, five o'clock it
goes away, yeah.
But then it's like, well, whatif I go on a random walk with
two kids and I need my phone tobe able to text Lynn and let her
know hey, we've left, don'tworry about these two kids, I
have them.
Or I need to take this picture,or you can always justify, I
need to check where my 16 yearold is on three Like three.
We can always justify it.
I think it comes.
Someone told me it comes downto control.

(39:10):
You just want to controleverything and, I guess in
unhealthy way.
I want to be able to know whereeveryone is, communicate
perfectly, and it's like, ifyou're just willing to give up
control, could you just leavethe phone in a drawer and go out
and play basketball and notfeel like you need it with you,
Right, you know?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
100%, I think.
I mean I've tried.
No, I don't even know if I'vereally truly tried.
That's probably too extreme ofa word.
But I've had intentions of likeI'm going to turn my phone into
a house phone where it justsits right here and I it makes a
noise if I need to get to it.
Or I'm going to put my phone atsix o'clock every every night
or five o'clock in this area and, and you know, put it on

(39:47):
airplane mode or something Right.
But I have not been intentionalwith that.
Like I want to um, but yeah,but because because of the
justification of it, because ofoh well, you know, sometimes
people might call me or whatever.
And what if?
What if my mom needs me?
What if?
my dad you know is in thehospital or something Well
that's never happened once, uh,and you know if it, I don't know

(40:09):
.
So we've thought about allthese different things and we've
even thought about like turningmy wife's old phone like I mean
six year old phone into like a,have it on Wi-Fi or something
and have a different number andit's like our emergency number.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, but see, with Claire we tried to do that.
It was like, um, this wouldhave been about three years ago,
right at the beginning of theCOVID, and we thought we'll have
a family phone because I wasgetting a new phone, It'll be a
family phone, We'll becameClaire's phone.
So it's really hard to createthat community phone with now.
Now someone has claimed it.
Uh.
So I mean you can like allthese and we've had so many

(40:41):
intentions over the years.
I'm not saying don't haveintentions, but it's like it
really does like, uh, thescreens just like start to
infiltrate and then everybodywants it, and then it just finds
its way.
It just works its way slowlyinto the, the, just the fabric
of your home.
And you're all of a suddenyou're like, how did you get a
phone?
Cause I had the number.
I didn't put Claire, I putHenderson family, just to remind

(41:04):
me this is a family phone.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And I it still says Henderson family like three
years later she's like why is itstill saying?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Henderson, I was like I'm holding out hope man.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's a family phone.
Well, I mean, like growing upyeah, we were, I was, I was
watching TV, a lot Like whatever.
I played video.
But like now it's like thescreens are getting smaller and
smaller and everyone's got theirindividualized screens.
And that's what I think is theissue, like we have, Friday
night movie night every everyweek and it's like a fun
tradition that we do, but we allsit together watch one screen
it's not like it's different.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
you know, it's just everyone's getting on Tik Tok or
whatever.
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Everyone's in their own room, everyone's secluded.
Now it's like, no, we're comingtogether to watch this, yeah,
so we get into that for a longtime.
But I'm sure, uh, cause I, yeah, I'm, I'm scared of, yeah,
giving my kids a phone and whatthat's going to be like for them
, and all that stuff.
So I'm sure you've you'velearned lessons on that too.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Oh yeah, Well, I'm excited for the next leg of your
journey, for your life or whatI think, mainly because, like
when we talked well, we have somuch in common with
homeschooling and you knowmultiple children and then you
talked about possibly wanting tospeak and speaking a humorous
way that delivers a seriousmessage, and so during coffee we
taught, I was like, man, that'skind of what I do and I've I've
.
The comedy has taken more andmore of a backseat, just because

(42:14):
the message is the main thing.
You know, um, but it's it.
There's a world of humorousspeakers, and so I see someone
like you just being a totalnatural, being able to, just
like you know, play with thecrowd and and and you know all
that do the crowd work thing,and so that that got me excited
A few, and I noticed that Jakeand Alex Demchick just came out
with a speaker reel.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah so.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I texted Alex.
I was like dude, killer reel.
I didn't know Jake was alsothinking about speaking.
Yeah, you know, I knew Alex was.
I didn't know that they were umconjoining to be a speaker.
Alex Demchick, by the way, isthe co-founder of Streamline
books.
The one their Will Severins isthe other co.
-founder.
They're writing my book anyway,just for some context for the
listeners.
But so Jake is doing it, Ididn't.
So are you and Jake.

(42:55):
I mean, do you talk about this?
A lot Is it.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Uh, Jake does like 20 things.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
So we don't, yeah, we don't, I mean he's.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
he's starting to actually starting a business
with Alex doing, uh, acai bowls,and so he's he's all over the
place.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's right, you're talking about that.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So I don't think we scheme as much as we could if he
if he were, you know a littlemore like focused on one thing.
He's got all these differentthings and I want to make sure
he's got time to do that.
But we have talked about some.
We're actually in the middle ofApril doing a, a church event
like a marriage event together,where we're kind of just double
MCing this marriage event, wherewe'll show some videos, we'll

(43:30):
do some stand-up comedy kind oftandem and do some games with
the crowd and stuff.
So we and we've, we've, we'reexcited about stuff like that.
We've talked about like it'd beso fun to do more things for
churches where the churches hireus out or you know big events
like that, and so I I do thinkwe have that desire to an extent
, but we haven't talked about itin depth too much.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what?
Just in terms of?
Can you tell I'm fixated on thespeaking aspect.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I'm like let's talk more about the thing that I love
most, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Let's say you had to get on stage right now.
You know it's like oh Brad, befunny for this at 9am crowd
who's?
Like sleepy Right.
They're like no one's sittingat the front tables because, you
know, and they're kind ofspread throughout the room.
We need them to laugh.
This is usually a really boringmeeting, but I just want you to
like be a little bitmotivational, something they can

(44:20):
take back to do their jobsbetter.
But make this fun, oh wow, andyou had to like do it right now.
What would you get up and say?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Man, I don't that's a good question.
I mean, first of all, I wouldVery tactfully probably make fun
of like half the people there.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay, you know like I would call out the guy that
looks bored you know, like theway Michael Scott names the
people with the differentfeatures oh yeah, baldy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Oh yeah, I love that yeah you are fat, you like pizza
, you like pepperoni, pepperonitoning, yeah, yeah, all those
things.
No, I think.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Okay, you definitely took the cake on the office fan
Like you're more of like a nineor a 10.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm kind of like you.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Just I didn't know all the details of that bit, so
yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I don't know if I nailed that.
Yeah, it's like.
I love the idea of like.
I mean, if you're in acorporate setting, you know, Bob
from human resources is kind ofa wet blanket, so if I then
like, I'm like hey, what's up,what are you doing over here?
Like I don't know.
I think in a very tactful waydon't like offend the guy, but
like get into a little bit.
I think other people would belike that's pretty good, Bob.

(45:21):
Bob is like that, he needs to,you know whatever, and I don't
know how I would motivate him.
That's a good question, I think.
Maybe more just, I'm a bigbeliever in expectations, like
communicating expectations asmuch as you can.
And so that's to me, that's theanswer to so, so many issues in
life, whether it's corporate,whether it's your marriage
whether it's kids like justbeing like I.

(45:42):
I didn't realize that's what youwanted from me.
You know like so often that's Ifeel like the conversation I
have when I'm in tension withsomebody is.
I didn't know.
I didn't know that's what youwant, so I was probably talking
about that, I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I mean, if you're putting me on the spot, I put
you on the spot Like I've neverasked anyone that question.
I didn't plan that question.
I just thought this would befun to riff.
But I love that wholecommunicating expectations thing
because, like I, set you a longlist of what to expect today
right.
And I didn't know this aboutyou.
So I'm like well, now I knowyou probably appreciate, you
know when to show up where tocome, what it all looks like.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That spoke to me.
That was my love link.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I mean yeah, right on , right on.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
But I mean like, even if you were just like no, the
expectation has just come andwe're just going to, you know,
talk.
And like, great, at least wecommunicated that, so that if we
come and we don't talk, I'd belike, hey, the expectation was
that we're going to talk, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Well, I mean, even if you like, so recently people
have asked me like out to acoffee or like they've been like
hey, can I have a call aboutthis?
And it's like, can you justgive me a little bit of a
snippet of what you?
Because it's like I need tomake sure that I'm in the right
state of mind and I have theright energy to talk about that
thing.
So if we're going to get coffee,I kind of want to know where
that conversation is going, sothat once we get into it I'm
like, okay, this is why we'rehere.
Now I'm really focused and nowI know that I can kind of leave

(46:52):
after this part of theconversation If I have to.
Rather, than just like what arewe doing?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
And in corporate America, I mean, holy cow.
That's which is where you'd bespeaking If you were, you know,
speaking a lot like yeah, what,what do people want from you?
Cause that's huge, you know,yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I think there is an answer or there is a yeah,
there's, there's a solutionthere.
I think that is the the answerto so many issues.
So I don't know, I mean that'soff the top, that I don't know
if that's their their bigtension point in this community,
whatever, but like to me, I'mlike it's never a bad thing to
hear again like hey, communicatebetter with people.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
So Well and I okay.
So I think about like one ofthe best things that I've seen
speakers do over time.
I know that I do this is I justtalk.
I talk from a place of myexperiences.
So I think with you, not thatyou asked for a coach you know
I'm starting a speaking businesstoday, but but I'm like more
excited about this than you arein terms of come on, brad, let's
get a website going yeah let'sgo.

(47:45):
But you know like I mean justfrom your woodworking, like if
you don't know the expectationsand you just build a table and
you get them.
They're like it's the wrongsize, it's the wrong height,
it's the wrong color.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean, yeah, I didn't know it was going to be.
Yeah, I didn't know they weregoing to have those round edges.
I wanted it to be straight.
It's like yeah, that wassomething that was very easy to
for me to ask the question.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
for sure, yeah, and so I'm sure you have like, and I
do too like before an event.
I have a customizationquestionnaire and a logistics
questionnaire.
When's the sound check?
You know what kind of mics toare we working with.
Is there going to be aprojection, live feed on the
screen?
I'm going to have all thesethings.
You know, what are thechallenges been lately in your
company?
What have been the things thatyou've succeeded at?
What are you trying to overcome?
And without that, I'm justgiving a cookie cutter speech

(48:23):
that they're kind of like thatwas fine and all, but that
didn't really resonate with us,you know.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And if they don't answer those questions very well
, you can at least say like well, if you weren't completely
satisfied, at least you didn't.
Like you know, you didn't giveme that much to go off, yeah,
you know, whereas, like, youcan't expect too much if you're
not.
You know.
Communicating that well,totally.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
And I always give them a second chance, because
not everyone likes to fill outforms, so they might just be
like I'm just the event plannerjust fill in the blanks, and so
we always have a focused phonecall a couple of weeks before
the event to be like hey, youknow, thanks for filling out the
answers, but you know, can wego a little bit deeper?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
just, to make sure, because sometimes the person at
the, you know, the top.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Maybe the CEO wasn't part of the planning process and
they're like they could be,like we missed the mark, we
didn't, you know, because I wantto make that event planner look
like a rock star for hiring me.
So it's like how can we makeyou look good so that it's a
win-win all the way around, youknow?
So that whole I love thatexpectations thing, I think you
got something there.
I think just off the top ofyour head is like sometimes.
It's like just trust your gutinstinct, just go with it, man.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So, anyway, anyway, yeah, let's go.
Marriott courtroom ballroomscene, that's right, I'm ready
for it.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That's my life man.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Give me the double tree right now.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I'm ready to go.
Just spoken the double tree,you get it.
Yeah, dude, yeah man, it's it,it.
What is funny?
Because sometimes with thespeaking gigs, like you'll, you
know, you'll go into like moreof an event center and there's a
backstage and there's someoneputting the wire through your
shirt to mic you up and you'relike that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Where's the makeup artist?
You know you.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Thompson T undershirt .
That's right.
I was like, watch it, don't gounder the Thompson T, stay on
top of the Thompson seat.
There's two undershirts, justshables, but, but man, but then
you just feel like kind of likea rock star in those settings
and then you go to the doubletree where it's like tiered
seating and you know and it, butit's just the group that they
are and I'm you know, now I'mback pedaling, like, but it was

(50:07):
really fun, guys, we had a goodtime, didn't we?
But but it honestly it keepsyou humble and it makes you
really appreciate the timeswhere, like the technology and
the sort of like the fanfarebuilt around the event and
they're putting out LinkedInposts like a year ahead of time,
you're just kind of like, youfeel like a rock star.
But you know, then the littlegigs quote unquote little gigs

(50:27):
make you feel normal, remind youthat, stay humble.
And ultimately it's not about me, I'm not, I'm not up there, I'm
not.
You know, taylor Swift gettingup putting on a concert.
I'm Devin Henderson here tolike impart wisdom and, you know
, help other people.
So it's.
It's a weird thing because whenyou come from an entertainer
background transitioning tospeaker, which is kind of like
what you'd be doing.

(50:48):
It's hard to get out of yourego and think this is not about
me, like I mean I want to pauseand I want laughter.
That's what the magician,comedian and me wanted.
But now it's like I want headnods, like yeah, I want people
taking notes, like that meansI'm making an impact, you know.
And so it's a different ballgame.
Once you transition intospeaker, it's a totally

(51:09):
different thing.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
The way that I do magic tricks, the way I do
comedy, it all changes you know,well, in my experience, like
with entertainment or whateveryou would call it like so often
the thing that I think peopleare going to enjoy the most
about the podcast, or the thingthat I think, oh, people are
going to die laughing at thatLike I've never, you know, I
don't hear feedback like thatwas great.
And then I hear feedback aboutlike oh, I remember that one
time you said that one line orthat one thing you said about

(51:31):
parenting and I'm like that'sthat's, and so it's very
humbling in that way of like Idon't.
I think I know what's funny, Ithink I know what's most
entertaining, but it's like, hey, humble yourself and just just
trust that, however, you knowthe Lord's going to use you.
That's great, like you know,like I don't know if they're
going to take this thing away,or they're going to take that
away, or you know what thispodcast is going to mean to
somebody.

(51:51):
But even if it's just a oneline, quick little thing, like
great, that's it.
You know, and I thought I wasgoing to provide all this value
or all this entertainment, butreally it's just that one thing
you know, yeah, man, yeah, Imean, and it's just fun to get
creative with all of the talentsand gifts you have.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So I'm curious I want to jump back into the YouTube
thing real quick how do you andJake spark your creativity for
like these skits?
Cause I mean, you aregenerating these things just
like bang, bang bang.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What are?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
these ideas?
I mean, do you guys let's,let's go for a walk in the park,
that's what does it for us, oryou know?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I mean it's a lot of times it's just riffing off each
other.
Sometimes it's it's because ofthe podcast, Like we did a video
recently, just a little likeone off video about it problems
where you try to call the IT guyand really just need to unplug
it and plug it back in, but theguys like trying to make it way
more complicated or something.
Yeah, but for the most part it'sjust like, hey, I kind of have.

(52:44):
I don't know if this is a wholeidea, but what do you think
about?
You know, I don't know what itlike guys who like to ride their
bicycle.
It's like, yeah, let me, letlet's riff off that for a little
bit, and every once in a whilewe can kind of both tell like,
yeah, this isn't good enough fora video.
Sometimes it's like no, this isperfect, like we're laughing at
each other.
That means it's probably pretty,you know, but for the most part

(53:04):
it's just a lot of real lifeexperiences.
You know, like one video thatwe've had, that I feel like our
most successful videos are theones that are hit closest to
home for us, Like we literallydid one that was one month of
marriage versus 10 years ofmarriage which is literally our
lives.
I mean like Jake got married,you know, in May and I've been
married for 10 years, and soit's just the juxtaposition of
oh, yeah, we go out every nightfor date, or oh, our weekends

(53:26):
are farmers market and you know,walk into the coffee shop and
I'm like our weekend started atfour AM and they don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
It's the weekend.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
You know all these different, like kind of fun
things.
So, yeah, there's not like a.
I don't think either of us arelike this is our process, this
is how we do it.
It just feels like I thinkwe're both, I mean, in the most
humble way possible.
I think we're both naturallygifted at things like this, and
so it's not that hard for us totry to figure out some kind of
angle for almost anything.

(53:53):
So it can be like hey, let'sfind we want to do a video about
cyclists.
Okay, let's make a video aboutcyclists and try to make it fun.
You know, like, even thoughit's not always Funny thing,
it's like let's, we can turninto something funny kind of
thing.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
so well, all those videos, all the ones I've
watched, are just superrelatable.
That's what's so funny aboutyou know when you're, when
you're watching a comedian andpeople like oh, that's so true.
I mean when people all of asudden can feel like, oh, I'm
normal, I feel no this is alittle.
I can now laugh yes about allthe things that have stressed me
out, because it happens toeveryone and so I'm normal.
I'm gonna be okay, they're okay, we're all okay.

(54:28):
And I think your videos likebring that healing quality to
people as much as you just might.
It time seems like entertainingfun.
Sure you're, you're actuallyhelping people.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, which is like a cool way to think about it.
You know, think about yeah,people have message like I've
had a really hard week and thisvideo really brought my spirits
up and I'm like this video isabout, you know, dave Ramsey.
I didn't think I was gonna Allthese small things, so, but it
is really sweet to hear stufflike that.
So, yeah, it's, it's a yeah,it's, it's a fun, fun life to

(54:58):
have fun, fun thing to try tomake people laugh.
And the relatability thing isdefinitely something that we
lean into a lot, because it'shard to be like a funny
character, but it's, it's easierto be like.
Oh, my husband said that exactsame thing two days ago.
Right, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I know, when I used to, I kind of got into like a
stand-up comedy phase where Iwas like that's all I want to do
on a split speaking, and thiswas, like you know, six or seven
years ago that I started thatit lasted for, I don't know,
three or four years.
It's way too long but I rememberI was always trying to invent
funny things like or or greatlyexaggerate, like more than they
should be Exaggerated, and itwas like I was just trying too
hard where I just wish I wouldhave stuck more.

(55:32):
To like True story, which youknow, I would say they're based
on true stories, but it was likeanchorman, based on actual
events.
The only things have beenchanged the people and the
places and the events thathappen, or Whatever, but I was
like trying too hard to addfunny where I just would forget
real life is funny, because youever just tell someone a story
and you're just telling the truestory and they just bust up
laughing and you're like what'sso funny about that?

(55:52):
Well, it was true.
Yes, you know and it resonatedwith them.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
So yeah, I mean, my favorite comedian is Nate
Barghetti, yeah yeah yeah, Ibelieve every single story he's
yes you know, I believe thatthat's his true personality.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
He's not like some act, you know right.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
He might put it on a little bit one way or the other,
but like for the most part,it's like no, that really
happened to him.
He ordered that iced coffee.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, make that up.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, it's just like that is so relatable because
that could happen to anybody youknow for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
So do that, man.
I wish we could go all day.
Hey Zach, could you just changeyour schedule?
We're gonna hang out all day.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I just need you to stick around.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
No, but man, I would love seriously to have you back
to some point.
I thought it'd be fun at somepoint to just like hijack you
and just like you know, Do likea guest co-host thing and just
come on, Just talk aboutwhatever, you know whatever.
They just just have some fun.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
So I I could talk all day.
I mean, this is my job, thatwas just right, yeah, well,
thanks, man, thanks for beinghere, and I do.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I do have two final questions for you, but let me
just say, hey, check outThompson tees.
Go to the link in the shownotes.
Seriously, game changer,totally change your life.
Also, thank you to a set of aShawnee who Brad endorses as the
best breakfast place in KansasCity.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And I know breakfast.
Yeah, this he's breakfast.
This guy's eating breakfast inhis life.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Is that the word you used?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I was.
I was gonna say connoisseur,but a fish, you know, I would
work as well, okay, I don'treally know the difference.
I'm gonna tell you there's adifference.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
No, I'm not a I'm not a wordsmithing connoisseur,
whatever so but anyway okay lastthing.
I want to make sure we get allthe ways they can connect with
you.
So there's comedy YouTubechannel gene shorts comedy get
on there, subscribe, like, likethe videos, check it out.
Ghost runners podcast get onthere, check it out.
And and the retreat again whatwas the?
You're like, devin, why are youpushing this reach?

(57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
so, yeah, the website , our website for ghost runners
is ghost runners dot life, soghost runners dot life slash
travel.
You can see all the information.
You can get our merch ghostrunners dot life Slash shop.
You can buy a t-shirt that saysghost runners on it.
So, yeah, those are kind of themain ways.
And then, obviously, mywoodworking business is Ellis,
my last name, like Ellis Island,ellis custom creations Dot com

(57:57):
or Instagram, facebook, all thethings.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
So okay, fun, there you go, check it out.
Follow Brad.
Yeah, just a great dude.
I remember even, like you,asking my mom about your dad.
Yeah, lynn had met your parentsand just they're like, oh nice,
just people in the world.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I mean, hey, that's why I'm passionate about
families.
Yeah that's a good one, and Ithink that makes a big
difference.
Yeah, yeah, awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
So that was my first question how can they get a hold
of you?
Last question here it is justone piece of advice for my
daughters.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Oh, again, putting you on the spot, one piece of
advice for your daughters Whoo,don't settle for a bad man I
don't know, or just just just gofor a.
Yeah, I think, yeah, that's notthe best advice, but just like
I don't know man, I'm passionatewith my daughter every.
I don't know if this happens toyou, but every wedding I go to
now and the dad's walking thedaughter down the aisle and I'm

(58:44):
just, I'm just waterworks man,I'm just like oh, that's gonna
be me someday, that's myprincess, that's that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I can't go there, yeah, you can't get there, man.
I mean, I'm a lot closer thanyou are to, so you've been a few
years away, so I'm like allright.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah.
I'll be good I mean, I think,like I said, I think there's a
lot of value in a good man and agood godly man, on a family, on
a marriage, and Don't you?
You are, you are a child of Godand so therefore do not, you
know, settle for anything lessthan somebody who's going to
treat you well.
I mean, obviously, no man isperfect.
No, I've grown a lot in mymarriage.

(59:20):
I wasn't perfect when I startedthis thing by itty-beats, I was
a knucklehead who was selfishand whatever.
I still am, by the way.
But I think, yeah, just justknow your worth, know your value
.
I think so many girls these dayscan just lose that or have
insecurities.
It's amazing, like my wife,most beautiful girl in the world
, and she still has insecuritiestowards the way she looks or

(59:42):
whatever all these things.
I'm like, wow, if you'refeeling this way, I can't
imagine all these girls and whatthey're going through and you
know, and so just Recognizingthat you are Wonderful and that
you need them, that if you aregonna go for a man, first of all
, I don't think you should datein high.
So well, I was gonna say that'stoo blanket of a statement, but
it's alright, man Say it.
Your personality.

(01:00:02):
Develop what you like, havefriends in high school, but
don't be fixated on a boyfriendin high school, because I think
a lot of people do that and thenthere they miss out on all the
other memories of high school.
But Zach, you hear that, don't?
Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
He's on his phone over there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I don't know, I'll just rambling at this point, but
yeah, at the end of the day, Ithink I just impassioned about
girls.
Yeah, just and be it.
Be it.
Agree, I'm passionate aboutgirls.
Whoo baby.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Can we clip it out into a short?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I'm passionate about girls and I'm passionate about
high school girls.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, just just like pause.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
No, but it's funny, I , yeah, I think.
And Same thing for guys like,hey, be the kind of girl you
want Girls, be the kind of girlyou want it your you know to
eventually have, as what's theword?
Be the kind of girl that yourdream guy should pursue someday
and vice versa, be the kind ofguy that would be worthy of your

(01:01:02):
dream girl, kind of like,pursue the Lord, pursue Humility
and all that, but alsounderstand that you are loved
and you're valued.
Don't, don't be insecure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
That's great.
I know it's a lot, of lot oframbling, but it's okay.
Yeah, it's it, man, the truthcame out of that.
So thank you, man.
That's, that's great stuff.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I'll.
One thing I say I say it mostlythe guys, so, zach, I guess,
listen to this for you.
But but in general, I think asa high school guy, I went
through a phase, especially likemy senior year at high school,
where I was like not as nice asI should have been to my mom and
so like almost every time Iever talked to high school boys,
I'm like be nice to your mom.
My mom was so sweet to me and Ijust wasn't.

(01:01:40):
I wasn't a terrible kid by anymeans, but there was times where
I was like, why are we clashing?
Yeah, I just wasn't nice to mymom.
So just I'm like, hey, be niceto your mom.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah, and not to draw this podcast out into tomorrow.
But I have a question aboutthat, like, do you think and I'm
really asking, I'm not taking astand on this that you just
popped a spark to question in mymind when we have friction with
our parents, we're not nice toour mom, we're not nice for dad,
even our siblings or whateverit is?
Is that just part of the growth, like, does that kind of have
to happen for you to have thatRecognition and then the

(01:02:11):
breakthrough to be like anincredible son today?
Like I don't know maybenecessary or is it not necessary
?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
At one point in my life I had to, I had to believe
and I don't know.
I'm still trying to learn, butas, like a 21 year old kid, I
was like there's somethingbiological about like, hey,
you're turning 17, 18 years old,and so you're having friction
with your parents so that youcan leave the house.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
They make it a little bit easier, like or like, just
start chopping away.
I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I'm about to yeah, I'm about to leave the house,
but then again I'm like I thinka successful family is not a
You're, you leave the house andyou never see me again kind of
family.
The successful family it's notlike Claire has to, you know,
move out for three years andthen move back in with you for
ten years.
That's not their goalnecessarily, but like to have,
like you know, generational,multi-generational.

(01:02:58):
You know, success in yourfamily is not one that's like,
okay, 18 years old, you're outof here, and the biggest success
of my life is that you moved afive, you know, hundred miles
away and I don't see you,besides holidays.
It's like no, yeah, yeah so Idon't know the answer that, but
I think maybe to an extent, yeah, there's, there's healthy
friction of yeah.
Yeah okay, you're growing up,you're, you're, you're becoming

(01:03:20):
independent, but I'm yourparents, so I I'm not used to
that.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't know you could answerthat better.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Oh man Well, so many possibilities with the way
things could turn out in the end.
So thankfully it's thepossibility.
Mindset podcast that we areexploring.
We don't have all the answersbut hey, man, but hey, thanks
for being here.
We're gonna leave our listenersthinking about the question
what else is possible?
All right, so I'm gonna saywhat else you say is possible,
and then we're gonna call itgood.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Let's you need that written down.
Uh, no, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Kind of store.
All right, here we go.
Hey, thank you so much forjoining us, thanks to Brad, our
guest, and remember to neverstop asking the question what
else is possible?
We will see you next time, you.

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