#30 Craving Connection Over Attention with Juggler Jason D'Vaude

This episode of The Possibility Mindset Podcast shines a spotlight not on what you can do, but how you do it.

Devin is joined by Jason "The Circus Man" D'Vaude, a one-man performance sensation balancing precarious stunts and crowd interaction to connect with audiences across the country.

Tune in as they discuss how to find calm in the face of adversity and the key to attracting more attention than stunts themselves ever could.

It's a testament to everything you can achieve when you juggle humor, determination and a dash of danger to push the limits of possibility...the most daring feat of all.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up everybody?
Welcome to the PossibilityMindset Podcast.
I'm Devin Henderson, I am yourhost and I believe that
something greater is alwayspossible for you.
All right, jason?
I looked over and I saw youdoing something with your hand.
I thought you were likechecking your nails, like you
were bored, but you were justadjusting the microphone uh,

(00:25):
yeah, no, I was just adjusting,now I'm I thought he was like
yawning and checking his nailslike when is this thing gonna be
over?
so, um yeah, and like you said,we're we're down on our liquids
today, so there might be a break.
There might be a rough cuthalfway through this one people,
we're just letting you becauseI have.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I have two coffees I've.
I don mean to brag I wanted tomatch you.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I got taller cups just to be like, hey, more for
me.
Yeah so we'll see who can.
Maybe it'll be a contest.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm just more of a down-to-earth kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
You are down-to-earth .
Do you want to tell us yourcoffee situation at all?
What's going on here?
Oh, in general.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, I mean, I'm addicted to coffee.
Oh, okay, I'm not ashamed tosay that.
All right, I quit for a fewweeks, a while back, and at the
same time I quit drinking.
I would just drink like wine,you know and like.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
You're good, come on, come on, two chemicals out.
No, you're fine.
Come on through man yeah youget to make a cameo.
What's your name All, what'syour name, all right, this is
our friend Don.
Hey, don, you're fine man.
That's the great thing aboutthis podcast the live atmosphere
we're in a restaurant.

(01:33):
We are in a restaurant.
Yeah, it could be actually morepeople walking behind us, but
it's just like one random persongoing between Minsky's and et
cetera, because same owner eventspace that splits it.
I don't even know what we'retalking about anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
But we were talking about your coffee addiction,
yeah, yeah, and you quitdrinking at the same time.
I quit drinking which?
That one?
I held on to, though?
That one, yeah, because Ididn't drink that much, but I
was like it's not doing me anyfavors.
I like to work out, I like todo things.
Okay, you, I like to work out,I like to do things.
Okay, you know, I balance for aliving, right, I was just like
I can just cut that out, okay.

(02:07):
And also, you know, cut out thesugar and all the stuff that
comes with it.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So how long have you been off drinking alcohol?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's right at 10 months now.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's awesome.
I think I'm just going to keepthat one.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Congratulations, yeah , congratulations.
Has that made a difference justin terms of how you feel
overall and how much you spend?
Definitely, both.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
And how much I spend affects how I feel.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Ooh, look at that money.
I got Good point.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's like my body just feelsmore at ease.
It's like a homeostasis thing,right, like alcohol makes your I
mean you have a good time andthen it goes up and then it goes
down the next day your cortisollevels spike a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Come on, man, come on .
No, everybody's good.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Hey, how's it going Go?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
for it.
What's your name?
Josh?
This is Josh, everybody, allright, you're just going to see,
I think, his Good enough.
That's enough of Josh, allright.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
All right.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, so it has.
I mean, I would say you'vealways looked good.
I dare say, now you look great.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I think yeah, Thank you Could you just take off your
jacket so we could see yourform-fitting shirt yeah no, so
that's amazing, it's not thatkind of show.
My listeners will appreciateI'm 199 days off coffee, so
they're sick of here I'm sure,they're just like
congratulations, man.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Thank you very much.
Cheers Appreciate that, yeah,so I passed the halfway point.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
That's an accomplishment, but I'm not as
convicted necessarily about itas you are.
Alcohol, because it's a journeyfor me, like it's not as
immediate of a thing as it seemslike the alcohol thing is for
you, you know.
Okay, that has really changedmy life.
It's kind of like I'm trying toget more energy, get more sleep
.
I I promote mud water on thispodcast, you know and so I'm
just trying to see if I do lesscaffeine will it just affect my

(03:50):
overall health?
But I think it's just going totake some time for me to really
know.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean 200 days you would think that's a fair
shot but I'm still not sleepinggreat.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I still don't have great energy throughout the day,
so my theory is that it justtakes your body some time to
reset.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, and how long were you drinking coffee?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Like, well, I went straight from pop, from being a
kid into early adulthood tocoffee.
So I was never off caffeineuntil like the last you know 200
days or so.
So that's why I'm like, well,let's just see, let's give it a
shot.
I don't want to give up tooearly.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I can always go back to coffee when you're still
getting a little caffeine, justlike a little bit Totally, it's
like the third the amount ofwhat's in coffee.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So we'll see, but I'm glad we're talking about this,
this is not like time wasted,because I mean you are very into
health and your job requires alot of physical activity.
You're basically a professionaljuggler, balancer.
So this is going to be nice.
Once we do, we'll segue here ina second into the topic and

(04:52):
everything.
But yeah, listeners just getexcited because we're going to
be talking about I don't know, Iassume wellness, balance of
life and all that, or this couldtake a completely different
direction, otherwise, watch iton YouTube.
Look how in shape my friendJason is, and just looking at
him you will be inspired to getoutside more.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think that's the bottom line here.
Every time you say that I feellike I have to correct my
posture, yes, I am Well.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's why I'm saying it so that you will correct
that.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Pillar of health.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Disgusting posture.
No man, you look great, allright.
Well, before we do completelyjump in, just want to say thank
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Once again, we love Etcetera.
Jason was pounding eggs andtoast over there because he
probably did his ArnoldSchwarzenegger workout this
morning and was like let's getthat 12-egg omelet in us.
So breakfast was good.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh, it was.
Yeah, the eggs were great.
I just got simple scrambledeggs and they were perfect.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Awesome man that works.
That's cool.
So you know, watch us onYouTube Devin Henderson, speaker
.
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Leave a five-star review and,you know, share this link with a
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is helpful.
This, this is good information,this is helpful.

(06:03):
This will inspire someone in mylife.
Just pass it on.
So there it is.
And I gave her a shout-out toolate last time, so I'm going to
say it right now.
Ashley Stare, thank you verymuch for all the work you're
doing as the podcast producer.
She and Zach are teaming up tomake this thing so easy for me,
because things are notsustainable unless you have
people helping you to move italong.

(06:23):
You know what I mean.
Otherwise, you get overwhelmedwith now I've got to edit, now
I've got to post, now I've gotto write a description, and
Ashley's doing all that andZach's doing the editing.
So it's been amazing and it'smade the podcast more fun.
I just get to show up andreally just focus on you, the
listeners, and I get to ignoreZach completely.
I don't have to look at him.
Ignore Zach completely.

(06:43):
Don't have to look at him, no,but we're going to get you on
here one day, zach, you justwait.
So there it is.
That's great, and the productplacement we're going to do
today is something that you.
It's going to be Xero shoes.
I walked in and Jason said oh,you have Xero shoes.
I've been thinking aboutgetting some of those, so tell
us more about that.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
What made you think that zeros might be right for
you?
Uh, well, I got.
I have a one of my best friends, he's also a juggler and he's
got them, and he just got a newpair and I just was like in, I
just had envy immediately yeahcoveting thy neighbor's shoes
they do produce jealousy.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I will say they were good.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
no, they look great and uh uh, like the style is
good and I already like flat,more flat shoes.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I just like.
I don't like anything thatbrings my feet too high off the
ground.
I feel like you're kind ofwobbling on these little foam
stilts.
Yes, you know.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good wayto put it.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean, I think you're more likely to roll your
ankle, which that is a lot ofthe benefits for barefoot shoes
is that they are closer to theground, less likely to roll your
ankle, but also you get moreflexibility, you work the right
muscles, the shoes themselvesare flexible and then they have
a wide toe box, so there's manybenefits to make it feel like
you're walking more barefoot.
We are born barefoot and so Ibelieve we're meant to walk

(08:02):
barefoot, and I think paddedhigh sole shoes with pointy toes
can really mess up your feet.
From what I hear, people havefoot surgery, and so this can
really fix a lot of problems allthe way up through your legs,
your knees and even your back, Imean, it can really help
everything.
It's a kind of a holistic thing.
So check it out.
Go to the link Xero Shoes.
That's Xero with an X, x-e-r-o.

(08:24):
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All right, so Xeroshoescomslash go, slash Devin.
Check it out and hope you joinus on the Xero's journey.
Yeah, all right, jason, we'regoing to jump in with you.
My friend, are you ready totalk more about yourself?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh sure, I love talking about myself.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Okay, and that is sarcasm.
No, and it's so funny because,jason, can we talk about your
pseudo last name?
Oh yeah, Well, because whenAshley said Jason Smith is
coming on the podcast, I waslike I don't remember that, I
don't remember who Jason Smithis, and she goes, it might be

(09:04):
Devod.
And I was like, oh, I know,jason Devod, so anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
People get confused.
I use Devod so much publiclyalmost exclusively, Not because
I am leading a double life oranything.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Well, nothing you're aware of.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
A lot of us have multiple personalities, yeah
yeah, no, but I know enoughperformers that use both names
interchangeably Okay.
And it's just confusing.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, and so just, for clarity.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I use my stage name because you know people can
Google it better.
It's more unique.
It actually shows up at the topof the results Okay.
And it's just more of a youknow it's a cooler, more
interesting name.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and even with that, there are two spellings
for Devad right.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
There's the D apostrophe, v-a-u-d-e and then
D-I-V-A-D.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's the old one.
Oh, that's Okay, so the D-I Ineed to update my phone.
Then Let me just explain thissort of like I don't know how
entertaining this is, but mymiddle name is David, right,
okay, all right, so.
David spelled backwards isdivide, but the only things that
actually change are the vowelsthe D, the V and the D.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, yeah, I see that .

Speaker 2 (10:21):
So um.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
You know, like I did a news show once and they just
called me david and on emails,people would just switch it,
even if it was like you know howdiv.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, you know, like you'll see online you'll see
like a paragraph and it's allspelled wrong, but you can read
it just fine yes, because yourbrain corrects totally people
would correct in their minds andjust go straight to david dumb
smart brains.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I know, I know, and it wasn't their, and it wasn't
their fault.
It wasn't their fault.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yet I was bitter about it, yeah, anyway so I had
to change my name and somebody,a friend of mine, wisely
recommended to just spell keepthe pronunciation the same, but
go with DeVaad, which is sort ofthe root word of Vaadville.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right, that's where I was like that's brilliant, yeah
.
So yeah, I thought it wasbackwards.
I thought you went with thevaudeville, more spelling, and
then people couldn't get thatright, so you just went.
Well, d, I, v, a, d is easier.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So now I see it was like the opposite Interesting
For a while I had business cardsthat said Jason DeVod, don't
call me David.
It literally just said that,right there.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Nice, nice.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it was kind of funny, but it tried to make
light of it tried to make a joke, but at the end of the day it
was dysfunctional to have thatname?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, sure, because people would be like Jason David
, and it was like flashbacks toyour childhood of your mom
yelling at you when you were introuble.
Yeah well, speaking ofvaudeville, let's do your intro
because it'll make more sensewhere it's like oh, I see where
the vaudeville thing came fromwith me today is jason the
circus man, divad or david,whichever one, all right a

(11:54):
one-man performance sensationset in the world of variety
entertainment on fire.
For more than 20 years he'sdazzled audiences with
precarious stunts that push thelimits of human ability true, I
seen it and courageously jugglesdetermination and laughs with a
dash of danger.
True, a lot of fire in thereNever unafraid to ask what else

(12:15):
is possible.
Look at that.
He got the tagline in his intro.
That's so great, which, by theway, is the most daring question
of all.
Ladies and gentlemen.
Jason Devod, all right, here weare.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Thank you, thank you, yes, you can applaud at home.
I'll just imagine it.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Applaud for Devod.
Thank you, yeah, with a dash ofdanger, I like never.
It reminds me of the cruisewhen he's like never, not be
afraid, You're never unafraid.
It's a little different to askwhat else is possible.
So you have to ask what else ispossible in one variation or
another through the course ofyour life and your career.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, I mean the whole thing is that
it's I mean on multiple levels.
I mean just to become and youknow this, just to become an
entertainer and make a living initself is a bit of a scary
thought.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yes, like can I do this?
Is this even?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
is this possible?
And that was my original goal.
And, um, I was like I can, I'mjust going to do whatever it
takes, whatever it takes to dothat, and it took years, um, of
course, uh, and there's noschool for it.
At least, not when I started,there was no school.
I think there's a couple ofcircus schools that have popped

(13:31):
up since I started.
I started back at US ToyCompany.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I worked there when.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I was 16, 17, 18 and I know you've mentioned that you
.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's where I grew up.
That was the magic shop that Iwent to, so I didn't realize
that jugglers were working inthere too.
I just thought it was magiciansand costume people.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh yeah, no, Well, I used to do these when I was a
kid.
Okay, so I used to do crystalsticks, is what?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
they're called right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or they're also called flower sticks, hippie
sticks, devil sticks.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Wow, a lot of names, which is the two sticks where
you're hitting the middle, stickback and forth.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right, Two control sticks and then a baton that you
hit with those sticks, and so Ijust those were just super fun
and I got those at theRenaissance Festival when I was
like you know super you know,when I was a kid.
And so I just liked movingstuff around.
I also played with like pogostick, you know, riding wheelies
on my bike, running aroundclimbing trees, a lot of solo

(14:29):
activities, you know that waskind of the central theme.
I was kind of, I was an onlychild and I spent a lot of time
alone.
I had some friends, but Ialways wanted to be able to
entertain myself, and sojuggling was sort of a natural
evolution from that.
So I got, I went to this, Iapplied for this job at the toy

(14:50):
store and I saw that they had amagic shop, which was
fascinating enough.
And then within that magic shopthey've got like a case for, or
I should say they did.
I don't know anymore.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
They're not even there anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, they've moved.
A guy bought it, a magicianfriend of mine, really Travesty,
he's a yeah yeah, anyway, yeah,I got to go check out the new
location.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, the new location was like Metcalf and
Well, and then it moved again.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh, it moved again.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Okay, because I knew that.
I heard the magic shop went outof business.
I didn't know what happened tothe rest of, like the teacher
curriculum store that.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I think he just this guy just just bought the
magic portion like all the stockand everything, and he kept it
going, yeah okay um, so yeah,but at the time they had, uh,
actual professional gradejuggling clubs.
They even had torches yeah uh,juggling knives from DuPay
Juggling Company and unicycles.

(15:49):
They had a lot of stuff.
I mean, you probably didn't seeit because you're a magician
you were coming in looking forcards or whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
the thing is Totally totally.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
But I did also learn magic out there too.
I know the cups and balls andthe silk vanish and all the
little fun.
You know the cheap ones thatyou kind of start with.
Oh, I loved demoing those andthat's where I kind of got a joy
, for performing was justperforming for the customers.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's a cups and balls set where it was
like a red one, a yellow one anda blue one, and the balls were
a little fuzzy.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, little squishy balls, that would you know.
Sort of compress, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes, well, that's that's crazy that you and I have
similar childhoods in the sensethat, like, I always enjoyed
solo activities as well.
It was like piano, drums, andthen you know, soccer juggling.
Instead of like really wantingto be on a soccer team, it was
like I just want to learn thesolo sport of soccer freestyle.
So it's interesting.
And then we're doing verysimilar things now, like made a

(16:51):
living off of it Because you canpractice by yourself anytime
you need to.
You can get better If you wakeup in the middle of the night
and you're like I can't sleepbecause I've had too much coffee
.
Then you can just practice.
So that's interesting, thatthat's true about you.
So great.
So then what else was possiblefrom there then?
How did that develop into thenext phase?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, sometimes it helps to have some kind of model
or example.
And so, staying with the toystore there, I saw guys come in
much like yourself who were ontheir way to a gig, I mean.
I remember distinctly a guywith floppy shoes and clown

(17:37):
makeup would come in and he'snot in character.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
His face is half painted.
He's like look, what do youthink I need?
He's not in character.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
He's in a hurry.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
He's on his way to work right, and he's just like
what do you think I need?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
he's not in character .
He's in a hurry, right.
He's on his way to work, rightyes and he's just like hey, I
need uh balloons and uh some thesilk and the thing streamers
and you know I need all thisstuff and I thought, man, he's
going to work right now.
That is so cool and you know,of course there were magicians
and all kinds of differententertainers that would come
through yeah and I thought well,you know, that's a thing.
I mean, you can't take that forgranted, to even realize that

(18:10):
that's a thing in the firstplace and you know, and then I
would go to the RenaissanceFestival like as an adult, like
at that time, and just see, likeBrian the Incredible Juggler.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And Rod Seip and John Mallory.
These are the guys that havebeen at the Kansas City
Renaissance Festival for 30-plusyears.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Is Bob the Juggler and Rod Seip.
Are they still doing it?
I?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
believe they're both still there, and so they were
big influences on me.
I just thought they were sogreat and still do.
But they are.
They're just like legends outthere.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So just seeing them and also like they would
sometimes encourage me.
And then, yeah, I had a friendwho also played with the Crystal
Sticks, who also got a jobthere at the same Festival later
we actually got the job thereperforming and you know, you
just start, and our attitude,though our attitude going in was

(19:14):
who cares?
Like let's go make a fool ofourselves, and that's something
that I feel like I want to holdon to now or like remember and
how and like just being willingto go out and just, you know,
not intentionally make a fool ofyourself, right, but be willing

(19:34):
to let yourself be the fool.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And I mean it's easier if you're a juggler,
since that's kind of yoursuitable character to get into,
and then if you're going to dropsomething, it's more like, hey,
this is fun.
I can play off that yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know.
But like you're a speaker andyou know, so like if if you're a
speaker, you go up and if youfumble your words, you know it's
not a big deal, you just kindof keep going.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Right, or you, you make a remark, you make fun of
yourself for a moment, whateverit is that you just keep going
yeah, if it's not a a if it'snot devastating to you, then
it's not devastating to theaudience.
But then you see a speakersometimes who isn't maybe
seasoned, and they go up andthey're just like nervous and
they make a mistake and you cansee them wince at themselves and

(20:22):
their attitude going up isn't?
You know, it's not helping them, Right.
So, this attitude, this sameattitude is has been a big thing
for me.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, yeah, and I want to pause, and I want to
pause on that for a secondbecause I think a lot of
listeners people are afraid tostart things.
Recently in a speech I said theword fart.
Here's how it came up.
I meant to say something alongthe lines of start to focus.
I told my kids this story.
They thought it was hilariousand I was like start to focus,
but it just came out, if youfart, and then I was like I'll

(20:56):
just skip over it.
But then it was like you couldtell there was no skipping over
it because everyone just startedlike you know, like this thing,
and I go okay, and then theystarted laughing because I was
giving them permission to laughand I said sometimes you have to
do that too.
That helps, and it turned out itwas like these are
professionals, these aremanagement for a well-known
insurance company, and so it waskind of like this Business

(21:17):
suits middle of the afternoonand since it was the middle of
the afternoon it was almost likea welcome.
This was added to the humor andeverything.
I thought I should try to workthat into every keynote.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
But then I thought, eh, I don't know, especially if
you do a keynote for Beano orsomething yeah.
Have that in your back pocket.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, I love it, but you know the thing you're
talking about like being a fool,I call it starting ugly and I
use the soccer analogy for it.
Oddly enough that it's likestart ugly it doesn't mean be
sloppy, careless like you'resaying.
You're not intentionally out tomake a fool, but being okay
with dropping the ball, withthings not going perfectly,
because I think that's why somany times people they don't

(21:55):
write their book, they don'tstart their business, they don't
go on a trip or whatever theywant to do, because they're just
like what if it's not perfectand if you're waiting for
perfection, that'll hold youback.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm guilty of it.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I am too, yeah, recovering perfectionist in many
ways.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah.
So, like even right now, Iwould you know, partially via
your influence I would like tostart doing some more
motivational yeah, Turn it.
Add some inspiration to theshow.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And that is a whole other thing that I'm having Like
right now.
I'm sort of front loading.
Yeah, I'm trying to like learnabout it and read books about it
.
Right, trying to like learnabout it and read books about it
and watch other speakers and uh, but I haven't started yet.
Okay, right, so, and I thinkthat's okay, but yeah, at some
point you know you got to pullthe trigger and just jump up

(22:45):
there we've been talking aboutit for a while.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
We, you know, we got a coffee.
It was like four or five yearsago now and we've just crossed
paths since then and I know I'veasked you about it because
you've kind of showed, you know,some like like oh, there's some
interest in it, and I think Idid I introduce you to Danielle,
my coach, did you guys?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
ever talk, yeah, and we did a little lightning
session.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh lightning, Okay Gotcha.
So yeah, yeah, she's the one.
I, when people are like how doI learn to speak?
Ask you about today too.
She was great.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I think I'm going to probably go back to her
soon, because at the time I wasso at the you know infantile
stages I didn't even know whereto start or you know, you could
argue that I hadn't even startedyet, like I had some ideas
written down but I didn't haveany perspective as to what could
be said or what message I couldhave, and because, at the end

(23:38):
of the day, I've probably got ahundred things I could talk
about, but it's about narrowingit down into the good stuff.
Yeah, the stuff that actually isrelevant to others and true to
myself and what's not justrepeated, sort of parroted from
some self-help book.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Right.
Something like it has to beauthentic.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yes, so I've been sort of parroted from some
self-help book or something like.
It has to be authentic and yes,so I've been sort of that's
been my thought process, tryingto get through all that and uh.
So, uh, she was very helpful ingiving me some perspective uh,
at the time, yeah, I'm just kindof like okay, how do I steer
this into?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
something like understanding the how to get it
down into a simpler package yeahsort of like straightforward
message yeah, yeah and well, andone thing I've heard too is
good for in this might for befor anybody out there who wants
to start speaking moreespecially if you're an
entertainer.
You're trying to cross over isjust like if you do a show
whether you're doing a corporateshow or a show at a festival or

(24:29):
anything in between just addingjust like a minute or two of a
story at the end that has somekind of point to get you used to
talking more, and then justslowly start to build on that.
You know that's the waycomedians work.
You know you don't come out andhave an hour.
It's like you have a solid fiveminutes and you just rock that
five minutes and then you justkeep expanding that time until
you go from you know host tofeature to headliner and so yeah

(24:54):
that's.
But you know it's so interestingwith all this because I think
about there's so many thingsthat can hold us back, because
while I talk about starting uglyand you talk about make a fool
of yourself and maybe that'syour message that, like both of
us are also recoveringperfectionists and that, like we
want to be perfect to a degree.
So it's this weird balancing.
It's this weird balancing actspeaking to juggling, so there's
other things that could holdyou back.

(25:15):
I am curious because I noticedthat you had significant social
anxiety as a kid.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
And so that that you know.
I know we're kind of rewindinga little bit, but can you tell
me how has that played into this?
How'd you overcome that?
Is that still a part of yourstruggle today?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I would say it is still part of
the struggle, but you know, it'sone thing to have it and
another thing to be aware of itand sort of almost embrace it.
Yeah, because nowadays I cansort of channel it into a
charming awkwardness, you know,because it is that.

(25:50):
So, um, uh, but you know, ifyou, if you're not self-aware of
it, that's when it's bad, andof course as a kid you are just,
it's just anxiety, right, andso it was for a long time, um,
and so, yeah, like I was alone,you know, in the cafeteria I
often had like one or twofriends.

(26:10):
I was, I wasn't the most, uh,social person, I was pretty
locked up socially and I don'tknow where that came from.
But you know, it's just a I wasvery shy, very shy kid and so,
yeah, that was the source of alot of like, um, I I actually
dropped out of high school inlarge part of that Cause, it was
just such a difficult thing youknow Really, yeah, I got my GED

(26:35):
, did some college as well tosort of make up for it.
But uh, and also I, I, my schoolwasn't the absolute best school
.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Ah, okay, you don't want to name any names.
I shouldn't, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Uh yeah, but it's.
It was, um, it was really toughfor a long time and that's part
of the reason performing madesense, because I was basically
so like introverted and I wassort of hiding a large part of
myself, and the performing was away to express myself in a safe
way and I think peopleunderstand that like that, a lot

(27:07):
of performers, actors, anypublic figures, are often pretty
introverted actually.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I've heard that it's true for me, and I've I've
heard that.
It's pretty across the board.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's like what is up with that yeah, yeah you
know.
So that's, I'm a prime exampleof that and the performing I say
has been, I kind of visualizemyself as like I don't know a
snail or something with a shell,and the shell is kind of slowly
like the like, the enamel likeis just sort of slowly being
like taken away over the years.

(27:41):
For through performing and I'mrealizing it's it's kind of
going from like seekingattention is what it started as,
and now it's sort of seekingconnection, which is a bit of a
big shift there and what Ireally.
I mean it's always been seekingconnection, but now I've just

(28:01):
kind of realized that that'swhat it truly has always been
interesting um, and so that'sactually beautiful because now I
can, like I can, connect to myaudience more, because I
understand that that's alwaysbeen the goal.
So just through maturity, yourealize that that's what it's
really about, and it's been in aweird way like my therapy, my

(28:25):
performing career has been likea therapy for me to get through.
And so now it's like yeah, I'min a pretty good place.
Like yeah, I'm in a pretty goodplace.
And, um, in regards to thesocial, social anxiety, I just
kind of say like I'm a performernow, so so there you know what
I mean.
Like I get up and I talk topeople and I say things and I
make mistakes and I do tricksand I inspire people and I, you

(28:49):
know, all the kids want to giveme a high five, and even the
adults, and so, yeah, it's been.
I don't know where I would beif I didn't start performing.
You know, I could have beenthat guy in the office who just
kind of keeps to himself and youknow, I don't know.
I'm thinking of that guy fromOffice Space who mutters about

(29:09):
his stapler.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's his name?
Zach?
The guy Office Space who hasthe stapler and he gets put down
by the in the boiler room.
No that's like before zach.
Have you heard of the movieoffice space?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
it is, before it is yeah I forget.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
We have like a baby back there behind the gas.
That's crazy.
All right, how?
Old are you zach 17, yeah, noway, you know, office, just not
office space the office.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
it's worth checking out Zach Versus Office Space.
It mostly still holds up mostly.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I haven't watched in a while, but yeah,
it's a great movie my dad evenliked that movie and he did not
like the kind of movies we liked.
It was like the exception.
Oh, it's so relatable.
Yeah, but that's so.
I mean, dude, those were some.
I was soaking in your deepmetaphors and your deep thoughts
.
I love the enamel thing and theconnection rather than seeking
attention.
I can relate to that big time.

(29:59):
I still fight it, even as akeynote speaker, someone who's
supposed to be connecting.
Sometimes that attention factorsneaks in.
I'm like this is about me, thisis about come on, clap some
more, laugh some more.
And I thought that I was makingsort of that seeking attention
to seeking connection transitionbecause I became a speaker,
because it's like well, now I'mtrying to deliver value, so now

(30:20):
it's about connection.
But interesting that, thoughyou haven't really made a leap
to speaking, you've stillaccomplished that transition and
matured in that way andrealized that as a performer,
simply so.
I've never heard a straightentertainer sorry point that out
exactly.
So when do you think that?
Like, how did that happen?

(30:41):
Over time, that it became lessabout you and more about them
and the connection.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would say it happened.
It's happened mostly in thelast couple years, two or three
years maybe.
I mean it's happened the wholewhole time because there's
always a little connection.
I mean if you don't have alittle, then you you don't have
anything, sure?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
um, I've just been prioritizing it more recently
and I would say so it's beengradual okay and um, but it's
only kind of recently been in aconscious uh, uh effort to
prioritize, Like the awarenessfactor like you were talking
about, like with the anxiety,it's almost like yeah, just
awareness about a differentelement.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, I even.
I mean I even have a line in myshow.
I use sometimes that it's youknow, I.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'll sometimes say that, hey, I'm an, I'm an
introvert, you know and I'm alittle awkward sometimes blah,
blah, blah, you know, and I'llsay, hey, we got any introverts
out there, make some noise, Ilike it, and then there's
usually pretty quiet, you knowand it's like, yeah, that sounds
about right.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
That sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, it's, I think, okay.
So I think about the parallelbetween what you're talking
about and people who might belistening to the podcast real
estate people, insurance people,financial advisors, teachers or
whatever it is because whilethey may not be seeking
attention, maybe they're seekingmore like the money, the
paycheck, where it's like okay.
So if you're, a success, yeah,status or money.

(32:10):
But it's like how can I?
I think at some point in yourcareer it's important to mature
and make that shift to.
This isn't about my status, mymoney.
This is about am I trulyserving the customer?
Am I helping someone likeprotect you know, like find
their dream, protect their dream, build their dream?
Or is it just about theshort-term transactional type of

(32:31):
interaction where it's like eh,got my paycheck, goodbye,
thanks.
So just in that way, with theirquote-unquote audience, it's
important that they build thosedeep, meaningful relationships
and connections, otherwise thebusiness is empty and then
you're just kind of like the guystarting out juggling who's
just seeking attention, right?
So it's funny how there reallyis a crossover into any industry

(32:55):
about people are the importantthing, right?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
yeah, I mean, it adds meaning if uh you know, you can
argue about where, where, like,the meaning of life comes from,
like the biggest question ever,right, but I mean, at the end
of the day, I think it'ssubjective, uh, not any less
meaningful, but but we createmeaning, we're as humans, and so
if we can connect each other,like I mean, that's where it is,

(33:21):
that's where the sauce is, Ithink you know, otherwise you're
just kind of like a robot youknow, you're just getting up
there doing your job and walkingaway and there can be a certain
gratification there, but Ithink it hits a wall.
you know yeah so, yeah, I Idefinitely think that that's
what might separate some of thegood from the great.

(33:41):
There, you know, and I don'tknow, I'm in my mind for some
reason.
I'm thinking of a plumber, likethat's, or an electrician that
comes to your house, like, likewe've all had service people
that come to our house orwhatever, and sometimes they're
just, you know, they show up,they do their job, they're
they're a bit dry, right,they're a, they're a dry

(34:03):
sandwich yeah no sauce, yeah,right, and then maybe you get a
guy who comes in or a lady,whatever, and you know she's
just amazing.
Talk, yeah, asking you aboutyour day, and right there, right
there, you have black and whitetwo different experiences.
And yeah, you know, the jobitself is just like I don't know

(34:27):
.
It's sort of secondary.
It feels secondary there, eventhough that's the primary
function of that person's job.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, and really softens it if things don't go
perfectly yeah, it's like well,at least they were really nice.
So if I have to call in andcall them back, hey, but your
person was like super awesome,you know yeah uh, that, yeah,
that's yeah, they say in uh, youknow a good, a good, a good
line or a good example.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Here is like they say you know, you've heard this in
magic it's not what you do, it'show you do it.
And that's exactly what thatmeans.
But that's one of those sayingsit's not what you do, it's how
you do it.
That at the beginning I heardand I was like in my infinite
teenage wisdom.
I was like got it, yeah, I getit, all right.

(35:14):
But then I realized, over theyears that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I didn't know really.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So there was a depth there that you can return to
that saying and be like am Ireally doing that, am I really
just showing off?
Or you know.
I can return to that saying andbe like okay, it's like sort of
a check for myself.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It takes years of wisdom and experience to truly
absorb deeper meaning of things.
Right, and in the next phase ofyour life you might revisit
that phrase again and be like Ithought I had it.
You know what I mean.
It's not what you do, but howyou do it.
You'll be like I thought I hadit when I was however old you
are now 22.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, you look 19.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm going to 22.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, you look 20, you look 19 I'm gonna be honest
with I don't know how old youare, but I'm not gonna ask you
but you look super young, butI'm 37 okay, all right, he looks
great, uh.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
But you know, maybe when you turn 60 you'll be like
it.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
There will be a whole new level of that.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You know, I mean that's, that's what's great to
keep learning, keep growing,because, um, I know little songs
I learned as a kid in churchhave so much deeper and richer
meaning.
Back then they, they were justfun, they had the motions, and
now it's like you go throughsomething in life.
You're like, oh, there was someserious wisdom in that.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And so that's why it's good to keep exploring, but
it's bizarre that you can agreewith it at the time.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, I see the wisdom there.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
But then it's a matter of depth, yeah it does.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It applies on a certain level there, but and
deeper, so it's so funny.
I think it's just meant to be.
We've had a lot of guestslately who have talked about
connection and significance andrelational wealth and everything
, and so my question for you,like one thing I thought of, was
there's people who deal withanxiety or have kids that deal
with anxiety.
What helped you the most as akid, as you grew up, you know,

(36:49):
when people spoke into you orthings you did yourself to help
take you up out of that, whetherin the moment or even as a
longer fix.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah Well, there is the other side of the juggling
and everything that it itselfwas a calming sort of something
I could focus on.
I'm sure you experienced someof this, like flow or kind of
being in a zone.
This is like basically theantithesis to anxiety.
I mean, they literally say thataction is the antithesis to

(37:21):
anxiety.
Huh, right, so it could be,whether it's juggling or not,
having something to focus on,like just starting something,
right.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think right now our listeners are going he's not a
motivational speaker already,because he sounds like one.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of these good.
This is why I'm wanting tobecome one, because I've had
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Action is antithesis.
Am I saying that right?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Perfect, it's the antithesis to anxiety.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Man, that is like they always say.
You know, idle hands are thedevil's workshop, I think, like
an idle body.
Idle hands are like anxietiesworkshop too, where it's like
get busy, do something, getinvolved.
So if you have a kid withanxiety, get them a hobby right,
like help, point them to likesomething that they can like
busy themselves with in ahealthy way.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, and this is the big thing I think with you know
, if you have a kid and you'retrying to help them by getting
them a hobby, make sure thatthey can enjoy it and make sure
that they feel to some extentthat it's their choice a little
bit.
You know my dad actually waspretty good about this.
You know, I took gymnastics, Itook karate, I did BMX racing

(38:35):
and whenever I was ready to quitany of those, he said are you
sure or do you want to thinkabout it for a week?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Man, that's so great that he wasn't like no, you
can't.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And if I really wanted to quit, he would say all
right, cool.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's all right, wow .

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And that was really important actually not to have
the pressure to succeed in thosethings.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
But the opportunity to continue if you wanted to,
yeah, just a gentle to succeedin those things.
But the opportunity to continueif you wanted to, yeah, just a
gentle, nudge for what else ispossible.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Because there's always the next activity.
You don't have to loveeverything you do, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And so finding that thing that you can get lost in
that means something to you likethat's going to be more
important than what the thing is.
Again, it's not what you doRight.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's how you do it.
Yeah, bringing that back around, I love it.
That was beautiful, yeah, so,um, yeah, I think about that
with um.
I'm gonna throw my headphonesoff here and catch them to to
impress you, so that maybeyou'll bring me on your jugular
mac for a little bit.
Did you think that was neat?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I did.
You can't even do that.
I only caught the tail end.
But I'll watch this later.
I'll watch this later, probablywatch that a few times.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Actually, that part you guys should just zach's
gonna loop it like in slowmotion and yeah, but um, I think
about with my kids when they'rewhen they're trying something
new and they're like I don'tlike this activity, I want to
quit.
I know, and parents mightdisagree on this, but I'm not
the parent who's like no, wepaid money.
It's an eight-week course.
You will finish it, regardlessof how much you hate it.

(40:03):
It's like I, I don't thinkthat's the way to go.
I think it's like they gave ita shot, they tried it.
They are hating this thing.
Let's move on to the next thing.
Why?
You know what I mean.
Um, yeah so that's, that's moremy philosophy, because I don't
think kids are out there just tospend your money.
They really wanted to try thisthing and they found out this
isn't.
And there's a gentle nudge ofhey, you want to Sure Like if

(40:27):
they're an orchestra, you wantto get some private lessons to
maybe help you with the biggerthing and providing more
opportunity, but never pushingit to where it's like.
You absolutely must have to dothis or else.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
A little bit of that Socratic method too, and ask
them questions Like what is itabout it that's making you Like?
You might find out, it's justanother kid in that class, oh
right.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It could be anything.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
It doesn't even have to be the thing itself.
That's a good point.
It's a really good point, likeBMX racing, I did for a and and,
uh, he was, he wasn't thatgreat at it, right, and I was, I
was doing pretty well.
And, um, I did it in large partbecause he did it and we did it

(41:16):
together, Right, it was, it wasan activity that we did
together and, uh, he wanted toquit one day, you know, and I
was like man, you know what, itwouldn't be so fun without him
and I just decided to quit too.
Yeah, you know, because thatwas a part of the reason, and
whether that's right or wrongyou can argue, but that was.
It doesn't have to be the thingitself, right?
Sure, yeah, yeah, so askquestions.

(41:37):
Yeah, you know, what is itabout the thing?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, so ask questions.
Yeah, you know what is it aboutthe thing, yeah.
So so what about adults now whomaybe deal with anxiety?
They've found their passion,that, like you have, they love
their thing, but maybe anxietystill sneaks in.
So hobby isn't the answer,cause that, you know, now
anxiety has kind of gone adeeper level now.
Right, yeah, and so then what?
What's?
Are there practices you doyou've learned over the years
that help you, uh, going into,like maybe, a high pressure
situation?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
um, yeah, so, um, I think a large part of it is
accepting the anxiety, becausethat is the only thing that
really can stop it.
And I mean, if otherwise youend up having anxiety about
anxiety, about anxiety, right,it can, and that's kind of what

(42:22):
it is.
In the first place, it's like aloop it's a, it's a loop, a
thought loop, uh.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So yeah, if I say oh, oh, no, I have anxiety, oh no
ah, that's same way with sleep Idon't know how to get it.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'm losing sleep over the fact that I can't sleep.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
That's anxiety.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
And so two things would be understanding that
basic fact that focusing on theanxiety just compounds it, sure,
sure.
And so accept it.
Say, okay, I'm a person withanxiety, that's actually a
technique to welcome it.
Say, okay, I'm a person withanxiety, that's actually a
technique to welcome it.
Okay, let it just take a moment, say, please, all the anxiety

(43:05):
come huh and like, let it.
You can even visualize itcoming through your body.
Yeah, like, all right, allright, it's filling me up.
All right, cool, and that kindof allows you, gives you a sense
of control yeah, you can kindof let it go, or channel it?
I mean before a show.
You know, nervousness andexcitement are just right next
to each other.
They're a millimeter apart.

(43:27):
They're the same part of thebrain lights up.
It's the same emotion, it'sjust framed differently.
So, understanding that it's alot about framing, it's not
about getting rid of it, it'sabout, like, feeling it, it and
maybe directing it.
And then the other thing isjust to focus, choose to focus
on something different, whichthe best thing is to focus on

(43:51):
your body.
What do you feel?
What are your sensations?
A little bit of mindfulnessFocus on somebody else, ask how
they're doing.
Just focus on somebody else,ask how they're doing.
Um, just focus on somethingelse and just use, use that, as
you know, your breath, focus onyour breath and use that as like

(44:12):
a?
Um, sort of an anchor ofawareness so you can just like
realize that everything isactually like if you, if you are
present and you are aware that,like, even right now, I could
be nervous because I'm on apodcast, but it's just okay,
there's some chairs, all right.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
You know, yeah, take all the chairs out of the room.
Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Oh, my God.
No, I need my chairs.
I was focusing on the chairs.
Wow, yeah but that's, but thosehelp me a lot, okay, or?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
focusing on.
Some.
People even have a mantra theycome back to right Sure.
And same kind of thing.
Wow, that's.
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that,because no doubt there's people
going.
That's helpful just to acceptthat, Because I think a lot of
times we hear like don't letyour mind say that you are this
or you'll become that, but it'slike you already are that, so
just embrace it, accept it andmove on.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's the definition of a stigma.
You're stigmatizing it.
What is a stigma?
But anxiety, a form of anxietyor fear Interesting?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
So, okay, I know we've got to wrap here in a
minute, but you can do 10handstand push-ups.
Yes, is that okay?
Crazy question.
Yes, is that okay?
Crazy question.
Is that without a wall, or isthat wow?
So, 10 freestanding.
I'm, I'm working on it.
I can do a handstand.
I'm not as proficient ashandstands as you.
If I get it and hold it for,like you know, 20, 30 seconds,
I'm like I'm rocking it.

(45:33):
This is awesome and oh, that'sgreat I can go down as I start
to go up.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I just I lose balance yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So that to me is like I can do them against the wall.
So I think right now it's justa matter of getting that going
back up part, and I think Ithink I'm starting to freak out,
that I'm going to flip over, soI kind of just automatically
start to come back this way.
So so any tips on that?
Exact, yeah uh negatives okay,you know this word.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes, yes, the uh, the eccentric part of the exercise.
So with push-ups you knowyou've got the up and the down.
Yep, the down is the negativeor eccentric, the, uh, the
upward is the concentric.
Okay, the upward is the harderpart, yeah, but if you go down
slowly, as slowly as you canokay and let yourself fall.
It's okay like, yeah, you justgo as slow as you can, as low as

(46:22):
you can, yeah, and that youfall out of that, and then you
get back up into the handstandand do it again.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Go down Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, cause that's going to build your muscles in
each phase of the movement.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Okay, I do that and that's actually very that's
actually very taxing on thenervous system.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
in a good way.
It works you, it's a goodworkout and your body, like it,
figures it out.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, my kids can't do a straight pull up yet.
But I haven't do negatives.
I'm like get up there and thenjust do the negative and one day
it'll just, you'll get it.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
It will, it will.
That's awesome man.
It absolutely will.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
So, man, I hate this because this is so good.
I feel like everything you'resaying is so rich and I'm
getting to know you on a wholedeeper level.
But before we start to wrap,you know what else is possible
at this point for you as youlook ahead, what's?
I know we've talked aboutspeaking, but what else is
possible?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah yeah, speaking is my big thing, you know.
I, like you said, adding acouple minutes in the show right
now.
That's kind of.
I'm lucky enough to have aplatform already that I can you
know, a career built aroundperforming that I can just enter
in a few things, um.
So that is kind of my goalright now and I don't know, I
tend to focus on like one thingso you know, that's how I got

(47:34):
where I am now.
I, you know, I just focused onthe one thing and try to be as
good as I can at it, and that'swhat I plan on doing with this
next thing.
I feel like I'm betweenmountain peaks right now.
Okay, you know, like I reachedthe first one yes, performer for
a living, awesome.
And now I'm like, okay, what'snext?
And that's for me, just again,it's about connection and adding

(47:55):
meaning to what I do, and sofar, even just by being more
authentic in my show, peopletend to receive that much better
and it feels more meaningfulfor the audience.
So I'm just continuing on thatsame path, basically, and trying

(48:18):
to find the seamless transitionas seamless as possible into
the motivational half of it.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Awesome man, that sounds great.
And, by the way, I mean Ididn't really get pump you up
enough at the beginning of this,but you are just an incredible
juggler.
I mean you could do a handstandon one of those.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The board that's on the one wheel, what's that thing
called yeah, that's called arola bola.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
He can do a handstand on a rola bola.
It's a balance board.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
It's a cylinder with a board on top of it, there you
go.
Uh, it's like a seesaw, it'slike a seesaw, but the center
moves, yes, and so you'restanding on that A handstand.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Most people won't even dare to stand on it, let
alone do a handstand on it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I mean it's impressive to watch.
Yeah, thanks, man.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And then you're just I mean, you're just expert at
that.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
To get comfortable enough.
I'm up on a platform doing it,and now I clap my feet together
while I'm doing it, which isnext level.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
You just keep adding so many awesome things, man.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thanks, man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, it's really incredible.
So I'm trying to figure out.
I want to try to have yourepisode come out so that if
they're in the Kansas City areathey can come watch you.
What festival are you going tobe at?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well, I don't know if this is going to come out in
time.
I'm at the lawrence buskerfestival coming up.
That's this weekend, that'sactually starting tonight.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Okay, if you can go back in time.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, lawrence busker festival, it was awesome um,
I'll be at the arts in the parkat the, um, uh, north kansas
city.
Okay, um, mackin park, um,otherwise, you know I'm doing a
lot of stuff out of town, soit's gonna be, it's gonna be
hard to well, watch for them.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
All right, just go to the kansas city events and
throughout the year you know, uh, even if it's next summer check
out jason devod awesome stuff.
If, if nothing else, just goand bring your kids.
My kids love him and I'vewatched him for years at old
shiny days here in kansas andalso at the RenFest here in
Kansas City.
It's just been awesome.
So all right, man.
Well, I'd love to do a part twosometime, because I feel like

(50:08):
we're just scratching thesurface with you, I would love
to man it's like let's go deepand let's get this.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I'm excited just to get to come talk to you and hang
out and have coffee.
Yeah, I know, I know thecameras are a bonus.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It is, and that's one reason I wanted to start the
podcast.
I would have coffees withpeople I hadn't seen in a long
time, and the conversations wereso rich.
I was like let's just sharethis with people.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You know what I mean.
It's great for performersbecause we're like watch us talk
.
Yeah, watch me, look at me.
Look how good we are atconversations.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
That's exactly right man.
Yeah, we are all about theperformance aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Seeking the attention .
That's what it's all about.
It's never not about that.
Let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's true.
There's always the attentionelement of it?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, good one, so it's so cool to connect with you
.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Man, yeah, man yeah yeah, great to see you again.
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If you know someone withanxiety, for sure pass this
episode on to them, or if theyhave kids with anxiety, because
those tips were great man, thatwas gold.
So thanks for sharing that.
Hope it helps somebody.
Before we sign off, just onepiece of advice for my daughters
.
What would you if my sevendaughters were sitting right
here?
What would you say?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Hey kids, you need to know this and daughters were
sitting right here, what wouldyou say?
Hey kids, you need to know this, oh man.
So I mean I would just say thatman, kids have so much like a
certain kind of like inner joyand peace.
I would just say, like, valuethat and keep that and
understand that it always comesfrom you and not to rely on

(52:24):
anyone or anything else to bringthat to you.
But yeah, cherish that andvisit that inner peace often.
Find it and visit it often.
That's sustainable over time.
And I guess also, don't try tofind anybody who's going to fill
a void for you and don't try tofill any.

(52:45):
Don't don't try to fillanyone's, anyone else's void.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Support each other but keep, keep your inner peace
we're going to sign off with thewith what else is possible.
I'll say what else you say ispossible and we'll let them get
back to their busy days drives,whatnot.
So, all right, thank you somuch for joining.
Remember to never stop askingthe question what else is
possible?

(53:11):
We will see you next time.