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Trigger Warning: Mention of Suicidal Thoughts
Ever thought how a traumatic experience, like a severe concussion, can alter someone's life path completely? We explore this notion through the captivating story of our guest, Michael Lashomb - a musician and concussion survivor.
The invisible impact of a concussion is often underestimated, affecting not just the physical but also the mental and emotional aspects of a person's life. Listen closely as Michael reveals the challenges he faced post-concussion. We delve into his struggle with depression, the lack of access to crucial therapies, and how he had to reframe his reality around his condition.
In a surprising twist, the conversation takes a spiritual turn, unearthing a powerful transformation in Michael, brought on by his concussion. From grappling with darkness to discovering inner peace through mindfulness, meditation and music, Michael's journey is nothing short of inspiring. We conclude this episode reflecting on how brain injuries can lead to personal growth, even through the darkest of times.
Find Michael's Music: https://www.annieinthewater.com/
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Bella Paige (00:03):
Hi everyone.
I'm your host, Bella Paige, andafter suffering from post
concussion syndrome for years,it was time to do something
about it.
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Welcome to episode number 114of the Post Concussion Podcast
with myself, Bella PaIge andtoday's guest, Michael Lashomb.
Michael is a touring musicianin the Americana Jam Band Annie
in the Water.
He is also a practicingastrologer and avid snowboarder.
(01:55):
When he's not traveling ortouring, he spends his time
working with astrology clientsor getting lost in the woods.
Welcome to the show, Michael.
Michael Lashomb (02:04):
Yeah, it's great to be here.
I appreciate you having me on.
Bella Paige (02:07):
So, to start, do you want to tell us a little bit
about your concussionexperience?
Michael Lashomb (02:11):
Yeah, so my concussion experience was one
initial concussion.
What's actually interesting isit started when I was very, very
young, with less information,and then the big kind of
impacting concussion happenedwhen I was about 15.
But when I was a child actuallywhen I was about a year old and
(02:33):
some change I had fallen down aflight of stairs in the
basement and I was havingconcussion symptoms, head injury
symptoms, but I was only achild and my mother didn't
really know what to do and theyactually assumed that she had
actually hurt me and so it waskind of this whole interesting
kind of traumatic situation thatgot iced out.
(02:54):
But luckily I healed from thatand years, years later I had my
first concussion that wasdiagnosed and that also was
recognized as a very largemedical issue.
Since it was, I was havingsevere symptoms.
I was unable to go to school, Iwas unable to compete in sports
, I was messing with my appetite, it was my ability to see, so I
(03:18):
was having a visual fieldcomplications.
So it happened when I was 15and I was in high school playing
at a lacrosse tournament and Iwas going in for a shot.
It was a fairly aggressiveplayer, so I was going to make
the shots that anyway could,without seeing what was
happening around me.
And the impact happened.
And you know, instant ithappened it changed my life.
(03:41):
You know, it was the way that Iexplain it.
That was so kind of interestingfor me was I had a life that I
had known.
You know, I had kind of atrajectory and a train track
that I had been on that I knew Icould recognize myself of who I
was and I was Michael and I wasan athlete and I was a kid and
I was just having fun.
And when that happened itreally changed the trajectory of
(04:04):
my entire consciousness and myability to recognize myself as
who I was.
So that first concussion wasvery profound, in that I had an
awareness of who I was and thensuddenly that all completely
changed and I had to kind ofreformat who I was but also
recognize that I was going to beliving life in a different way.
(04:27):
So that was, that was the firstexperience, and that was around
2000 and that would have beenabout 2001.
Bella Paige (04:34):
Yeah, it's changed a lot since 2001.
It's interesting that youmentioned the one year old story
, because it's actuallysomething I've never shared on
the podcast and I'm at over 100episodes.
Michael Lashomb (04:49):
Really.
Bella Paige (04:49):
But when I was one, I flew down the stairs and I
was actually unconscious and wasturning blue and my parents
raised me to the hospital.
So it's just kind ofinteresting.
I've never shared that, I havethought about it and I've
mentioned it to doctors on if itever, like, affected me like
(05:09):
now.
Michael Lashomb (05:11):
Yeah, totally.
Bella Paige (05:12):
Yeah, I've never shared that one, that's so
interesting.
Michael Lashomb (05:15):
So I know, yeah , I know that when we kind of
had a conversation before thepodcast, you know you had also
had your injury when you were 15.
And then we didn't even talkabout that either and I didn't
talk about it at all either.
But you were like first impactand I was like wait, my mom told
me that story and I was like Iactually, when I was very young,
you know, had a very intensehead injury.
(05:37):
I knew I was 15.
Luckily I had a really amazingdoctor, that's Dr Rieger.
I'm infinitely grateful for him.
He really helped me get througha lot.
But you know, besides him he was, he was helping me with kind of
rehabilitation side of it.
But as for other doctors thatwere working with me when I was
in high school and then when Icontinued to play in college, it
was just becoming like a pushbutton kind of situation.
(06:01):
But there was still minimalunderstanding of rehabilitation,
of how to diagnose them and theprotocol.
You know the protocol washardly ever there as well either
.
So it's drastically differentas to how, medically, a
concussion or a head injury wasseen back in 2001.
As compared to now which isgreat, you know, there's so many
(06:24):
more resources, which isfantastic, and there's a lot of
strides that are being made thatI'm really excited about Like,
for example, you know how I kindof got connected with you and
my experience having worked withthe same foundation.
You know they're focusing onrehabilitation, focusing on
raising funds to supportrehabilitation and programs, and
that's for me, that was thebiggest thing, because I didn't
(06:46):
have any of those resources.
So I think that is really oneof the wonderful things about
where we're at now is the amountof resource.
Just like your podcast, it's anopportunity for people to share
stories, but that's importantbecause each individual head
injury is so drasticallydifferent from the other persons
how they cooperated from it,how they recoiled, how they
(07:07):
understood who they were and howthey took care of themselves,
you know.
So I think it's reallywonderful that you're doing this
to shed light and give moreresources for people.
Bella Paige (07:17):
Yeah, thank you very much.
It has changed a lot since 2001.
It's changed a lot since Istarted this about almost 11
years.
So for me it was a lot of headinjuries and then when I turned
15, it was too many headinjuries essentially, and
eventually that's when theheadaches didn't stop and after
I turned 15, they lasted forabout seven years.
(07:40):
So it was definitely lifechanging and you talked about
that, your life changing and notknowing who you are.
That's something that'sactually come up for myself
lately, which is kind of new forme because I've dealt with it
in the past.
So to re-deal with it isdefinitely something that is
something that's ongoing.
But when it has to do with yourhealth it adds a lot more
(08:02):
factors into who you are.
I always identified myself assomeone with sports Like.
I always identified myself assomeone with one thing, one
really strong passion.
I was a horse jumper, I was anarcher, I was a dirt biker.
I like put all these terms sostrongly against who I was that
(08:24):
I kind of forgot that there wasa lot more to me than just those
things.
But that can be the bigchallenge with doing sports and
things like that, whenconcussions kind of take over.
So you talked about who youwere and how it changed.
And then you know, recovering.
You were recovering in 2001.
So 2001,.
(08:44):
Concussion, or recovery, waspretty vague.
Basically, whoever was helpingyou was creating it as they were
helping you because it's notlike there was tons of research
studies out there.
Considering there's not a tonof research studies out there
now compared to other differentillnesses.
So when you dealt with that,did you deal with, like, the
balance of pushing and pulling?
You kept playing lacrosse incollege so you didn't stop at 15
(09:07):
.
So how did that go?
Michael Lashomb (09:10):
Yeah, it really ties into a lot of what you had
just said is the it'sidentifying yourself.
And I think when you're soyoung in it was just because of
curiosity or essentiallysomething I felt internally and
I felt driven by and I think Ihad also had I'm very driven by
(09:32):
visions or dreams that I havethat I put in front of myself
and you know, I think we're allsusceptible to.
It really is it's this kind oftribe mentality of being kind of
identified as something andbeing pushed as a certain way.
And when I was 15, I just wasalways in competitive sports.
I'd always been a standoutplayer, whatever team I was on,
(09:53):
whether it's basketball,football, baseball, lacrosse.
When I was 15, I just had somany coaches telling me you know
, you're going to go D1, you'regoing to Division one.
Lacrosse is, you know, incollege is the highest level.
So it's something that I'dalways dreamed about
participating at the highestlevel, and I would be dreamed
about winning a championship oralways dreamed about the big
(10:15):
moments.
And suddenly I have this headinjury which just completely
obliterates all the momentumtowards that and the ability to
even see that vision.
And it was really challengingbecause I had become, you know
Mike, this lacrosse player, andit was in a sports player.
(10:36):
I'd always been an athlete, Iwas going to stand out athlete
and that became really kind ofshattering for me.
But because that was in my headand in my psyche so much my
subconscious, like this need toperform on a field and be seen
with that particular talent, Ithink it became this driving
fuel in my mind to tell myselfto keep going so that I wouldn't
(11:01):
let the depression overtake me.
Because when I had my concussion, like I said, I just went home.
They were like I will have tosleep at home.
But I couldn't handle sunlight,I couldn't handle the sounds,
even I couldn't watch tv, likemy eyes couldn't do that.
So I was in a dark room formonths.
You know, I just had thisoverwhelming focus of being like
(11:23):
I'm gonna get back, I'm gonnaget back on the field, I'm gonna
keep playing, I've gotta keepplaying.
You know, and I don't know howmuch of that was kind of old
subconscious programming of whatI needed to do or not, but I I
felt that that was the thing topull me out of depression.
But during that period I hadtaught myself how to play guitar
, just you know, a couple yearsbefore my concussion and I was
(11:45):
always really into playing andpracticing it whenever I had
time, I just.
But I always thought it waslike a hobby, which is this
thing?
And when I had my concussion Ihad been.
My mom noticed it more than Idid actually, because I was just
in a space of going day by dayby day.
She was the one that was ableto kind of like put things in
front of me to say, hey, this iswhere you've been, this is
(12:06):
what's been happening with you.
She kind of kept time for me,just accounting for what I was
doing and how I was day by, day,by day to help me out.
So that's where, like, musichad started for me.
You know, it started as this,this little passion of mine that
luckily was, this passion wasluckily kind of giving me a
different direction.
So as time went on with lacrosse, I just kept it compound my
(12:30):
head injuries compounded moreand more and more just from my
lifestyle, and I was depressed,I was confused, I was hiding the
fact that I was having injuries, I was drinking a lot, I was, I
was very sad and using thealcohol to combat my depression
while I was in school, and so itwas.
I was very living thisincredibly secretive life of of
(12:54):
loneliness and and and despairand depression and symptoms like
heavy, heavy symptoms, likebeing on a field, not knowing
anywhere, no depth perception,and being on a field and
nauseated and completely fuzzedout.
And I did that for years andyeah, it was.
It was a really challengingexperience, but that's kind of
(13:16):
where I was at.
It was like this thing to digme out.
It's this thing to hopefully belike the light at the end of
the tunnel, which was kind offunny because it was making it
worse and it was making my headinjuries worse and I was
becoming almost moredisassociated and and
disattached from what wasreality.
And so I just kind of came tothe point where I was practicing
(13:40):
one day and I couldn't Icouldn't catch the ball, I
couldn't see where it was, andthese were fundamental, easy,
standard things that I could doand it just was not clicking and
I knew that something was wrong, like like terribly wrong, and
I just had this vision.
I don't know why, but I had thisvision of myself like being 40
years old and playing with mychildren.
(14:01):
You know, that was like thiscrowning image of like what
would it be like to be able toplay with my kids?
And like if I kept going, wouldI be able to even foster
relationship or even take careof children.
So it was this kind of flash,you know, and it was more or
less like maybe a cue point totake care of myself.
So I I stepped away from acrossand that started the healing
(14:23):
process and since then I haven'thad any head injuries, luckily,
you know, and it was that kindof identification, you know, and
that's kind of like you know alot.
That's a real big package tokind of unravel yeah, that's
okay.
Bella Paige (14:37):
It's great.
I really appreciate it for youfor sharing all that.
It's definitely something toopen up about.
We talk about mental health alot here on the podcast and
dreams and things like that, andI am going to address it a lot
more and then talk about kind ofwhere you're at now, but we're
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Welcome back to the PostConcussion Podcast with my self
Bella Paige and today's guest,Michael Lashomb.
So you mentioned dreams beforewe took the break and I think
that's something that's reallyimportant to talk about because
it actually came up inConcussion Connect.
The other day we had a memberhaving a really hard time
deciding what school program togo to, because one was more
(16:28):
sports-orientated than beforetheir concussion a big passion
and then another program whichis a little calmer on their
brain, less active, but theywere trying to decide between
their old dreams and, if theywere allowed to have new dreams,
what it meant to get rid of adream or kind of let it go,
things like that.
And that can be challenging,especially when you're young,
(16:51):
when you decide to go to school.
A lot of times you're only 16,17, 18, you're very young trying
to decide what you want to dowith your life.
And you mentioned thedepression and the sports and
for me, show jumping was kind ofmy escape from the world of
what was actually going on in mylife.
I was very ill, I couldn't getout of bed.
I was super dizzy.
(17:11):
I was lucky if I could make itdown the stairs most days.
But my parents would still letme ride horses.
And now, did that help my brain?
Definitely not, but I thinkthey didn't know what else to do
with me, and neither did mydoctors, and that's why a lot of
them let me keep riding.
Most of them said it was finebecause it got me out of the
house, it got me active, it gotme to do something, because my
(17:35):
depression was really severe andI was having a really hard time
.
Some of those therapies that Isee people do.
I encourage a lot of that stuff.
But I know if you went back intime to where I was at, I
couldn't have done them.
If I stood on one foot, Iclosed my eyes, I would have
fallen over Totally.
It's not that the therapiesweren't important.
It's not that the dreamsweren't important.
(17:56):
It's that sometimes your mindcan get in a way that, like this
, will solve it, and then youget hooked.
That's kind of how I felt aboutmy headaches.
As if my headaches went away,my depression might go away and
then life would go back tonormal.
But that wasn't the case.
That's not how it worked.
Depression is an illness.
I had to address it like anillness, but I didn't do that
(18:16):
for a really long time, you know.
You know there's somethingwrong and you mentioned that
like clarity moment.
I was just picturing kids andbeing a parent and I don't know
if I had that moment, but Idefinitely had a moment where I
started to realize that what Iwas doing was making things
worse.
So I had taken a break fromshow jumping for a little while
(18:41):
and I was doing better and thenwhen I went back, all the
headaches came back.
The nodule came back, the pain,the depression it was like a
wave.
I was so happy to be finallybeing back to being a
professional athlete riding 24-7.
And then, you know, my healthtanked when I did that and I was
like, okay, all of a suddenit's not worth it, and sometimes
(19:02):
we talk about that a lot.
You have to choose what's worthit in this, because it's an
ongoing thing.
You're always battling withyour health, so you have to
choose what's worth laying inbed for a day, what's not and
that's really a personal choice.
Of course, medicalprofessionals have their
opinions on that as well thatyou need to take into account.
But you stepped away fromlacrosse, which I think is a
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huge thing for anybody to stepaway from a sport, especially
when you are doing very well ina sport, I think that adds to it
like Division 1.
Definitely adds a lot ofpressure to stop and you don't
know what to do with your lifeafter that.
So how was shifting your focusto something else?
You've mentioned guitar, so doyou want to talk a little bit
(19:43):
about that?
Michael Lashomb (19:44):
Yeah, totally, and I appreciate you sharing
that because it is.
You know, there are so manysimilarities and symmetries
between your experience withhead injuries and mine as well,
and there's a couple ofdifferent things you said there
that I thought were really valid.
I think what happened with meis I started writing songs.
I started just writing where Iwas emotionally and writing
(20:05):
whatever I could, you know, andthen it became poetry, and so
the music slowly kind of pulledmyself out of it and I started
kind of building my own newworld, my own new kind of
universe, but ironically, Iwasn't really sharing it with
anybody else.
Music started kind of takingover and it was something I
could do and keep me healthy.
It was something that didn'tgive me symptoms and it was a
(20:26):
different outlet.
And I feel like that's kind ofwhere we should be putting our
energy, just like your podcast,and putting our energy into my
music, because we can allcollectively build different
opportunities and builddifferent environments, build
different kind of realities forpeople, rather than being this
well, you got to go back toschool, you know.
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You got to do your thing again.
That was not conducive to myability of functioning, you know
.
So it's something that wereally have to highlight.
We have to kind of like take astep back.
I'm so fortunate where I'm atnow, but that's where I think it
comes into play is we live in asociety that is hyper-focusing
on the individual and what theindividual presents physically
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to the world.
But I personally believe thatmy optimism is exciting.
I believe that consciously, wecan evolve to a space where
there is more space, there'smore lightness, there's more
openness for people to create,there's more openness for people
to share, there's more opennessand non-judgment, so that if
somebody wants to be who theyare, they can be who they are.
(21:30):
You know, that's my long-windedkind of answer, right there, no
, it's good, it's true, with theopenness that you mentioned.
Bella Paige (21:39):
It's nice for people to be open, but it's not
only nice for other people tohear it, but it helps you a lot
too, and I think that'ssomething we don't realize that
sharing can help us.
You know, sometimes we share tohelp others.
That's how I started this, butI didn't realize how much it
would help me.
In the process of you knowdifferent things I've learned
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opening up more, actually divingdown a little bit deeper into
who I am, passions, things likethat and you mentioned energy,
and energy is something a lot ofconcussion survivors don't have
Sometimes.
It's where a lot of thatreassessing your energy and kind
of figuring out where you wantto focus, it is something that
(22:20):
can really help survivors andyou can do it every month, you
can do it every week, I do itevery month and kind of decide
where do I want to put my energy, because we don't have enough
energy for everything, but beingable to have energy for
anything is really nice, so kindof making decisions like that
can really be helpful.
Michael Lashomb (22:40):
Yeah, totally, totally.
Bella Paige (22:41):
And that's where having people around you is
really essential, and that's whyconcussion connects exists for
people who have people and thenpeople who need people.
That understand Because I thinkI had a lot of issues with that
is that people around me werevery supportive and they were
wonderful, but they didn't getit because they hadn't gone
through it.
And they can think they get it,but until you've gone through
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it it's very hard to understand.
And we've talked about a lotfrom changing focus, dealing
with dreams and depression andthings like that, and so is
there anything else you'd liketo add before we end today's
episode?
Michael Lashomb (23:18):
Oh, totally.
I mean, there's so many things,but I really appreciate what
you're doing.
I think that it's exciting.
I checked out all the stuff.
Obviously, you even have acookbook for concussion recovery
, which is amazing.
I think the biggest thing for mewas the concussions were deeply
spiritually rooted as well, andbecause I started to recognize
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and realize that when ithappened, this is my own
personal prerogative, this is myown personal spirituality, this
is my own take on my ownpersonal existence and why I
came here.
Because it was just me.
I was always trying to findmeaning in what was happening to
me.
I was always trying to find outwhy did this happen to me?
Why did I have such aearth-shattering experience to
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put me in this place where I'mat now?
Because, like I said, it's liketrain tracks.
I was no longer the person thatI thought I was, that I grew up
and built a consciousnessaround from age zero to age 12.
My adolescence had shiftedcompletely, but it started at
that.
That's where I believe, as darkas it was and as depressing as
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it was and I wouldn't havewished it upon anybody and from
that experience, from that deep,deep experience, you know that
almost purgatory like experienceI have built such an awareness
of the depth of the humanexperience I mean and that was
still just a scratch on theinfinite and how infinitesimal
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sometimes we can be, but at thesame time, how radiant and how
incredible we are that we can dothis.
Like what you've done is you'vebuilt this incredible support
system up into a contingency anda vortex and an energy that's
going.
I mean that I was able tobecome a part of, because I was
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aligned to that.
I've never told anybody thestory but and I'll tell you
because the big thing about thisis sharing my story as well I
was a division, like I said, Iwas a division one athlete and
when I was done playing lacrosse, it was done.
I literally gave my gear awayand I shifted gears.
It was like it never happenedand I didn't emotionally and
(25:38):
spiritually and energeticallycope with the fact that I just
had potentially traumatic,catastrophic injury.
But it was the struggle I wentthrough by on my own, behind the
scenes.
I wasn't sharing my story, Iwasn't telling you this, I had
no outlet.
I didn't go to therapy becauseI did go to therapy once, they
(25:59):
just were trying to give meMedication to stimulate me more
than actually listen to what wasgoing on inside of myself.
You know, it was something thatI started to realize that I
wanted something more, becauseI'm so depressed, you know, and
I was, I.
It was there's this week where Iwas contemplating how I would,
how I would leave this planet onmy own terms in a certain
(26:22):
solution.
You know, I was contemplatingsuicide and it was A very deeply
about all the things, so that Imean, anyway, I was at this
point where it was a couple dayseven before, I thought maybe I
would do it and follow throughwith the whole process.
And I know it sounds kind ofdark, but it was.
It was.
I was driving, I got in my carand it was almost like I was on
(26:44):
autopilot.
I can't explain the sensation,but it was like this is five
years into my concussions, and Iwas just driving and I was
driving around my hometown and Iwas just like I don't know why,
but I went into the Barnesnoble, I went into the library,
the store, and I just Went andrandomly went to this aisle, but
it was the art of happiness bythe Dalai Lama and it was just
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this way.
That's it, just for me.
At that moment it broke thingsdown and understanding what my
true happiness was, you know,and that mindfulness, and from
that I started.
I started practicing meditation, I started practicing centering
, I started practicing awarenessand that was such a huge change
for me that it helped me torealize that I can use my brain
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in different, deeper ways.
And from understanding thatprocess I have it's changed my
life so drastically.
I was able to take mydepression levels down.
I was able to take day by daySituations, you know, I was able
to not take the overwhelmingdark cloud and I was able to
lift it a little bit, findpractices whether it's breathing
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or whether it's just relaxationor whether it was just, you
know, clearing my mind.
And ever since I come out andshared it with you know the same
you and now this podcast.
I I've had so many people reachout to me all over the world
that I've never met before mylife.
I've had people that are myfriends, that I have known, that
I never understood what theywent through, that are coming to
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me with with wonderful stories.
That's where I feel likethere's a deeper calling that we
all have, and head injuries canbe a on unraveling to kind of
let something more pure andbeautiful and untangled kind of
come through.
But I just want to say thankyou for doing what you do.
(28:33):
I I'm super grateful for thisplatform and I know that many,
many others are as well, and Ijust I think you're alchemy's in
your situation such a beautifulway and I'll I think you've
energized me and motivated me toShare my story and I'm just
very grateful for you and notthis community you're building.
Bella Paige (28:53):
Thank you, and thank you for sharing.
It's definitely.
It's okay.
We get dark on the podcast allthe time.
I still remember the day when Itold my brother that I did an
episode and he's like I was like, like he's like, no, it was
dark.
I'm like Like I laughed andhe's like it was still a really
dark episode.
I'm like, yeah, okay, well,yeah, I mean, sometimes you
gotta go Can be really dark.
(29:18):
Brain injuries can be reallydark and they can put you in
really dark places, but theyalso allow us.
Like you said, one of thebenefits from concussions and
brain injuries can be getting toknow yourself more than you
ever have before, because it'swho you spend the most time with
.
So I do want to thank you somuch For coming on today and
sharing your story and being soopen with everyone today.
Michael Lashomb (29:41):
Absolutely.
I'm infinitely grateful and andI appreciate you and I hope
that people can take from thiswhat resonates to them
personally and I wish as manypeople all over healing of All
sorts, whether physically,mentally, spiritually or
emotionally, and thank you somuch for your time.
Bella Paige (29:59):
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Welcome to episode number 114of the Post Concussion Podcast
with myself, Bella PaIge andtoday's guest, Michael Lashomb.
Michael is a touring musicianin the Americana Jam Band Annie
in the Water.
He is also a practicingastrologer and avid snowboarder.
(01:55):
When he's not traveling ortouring, he spends his time
working with astrology clientsor getting lost in the woods.
Welcome to the show, Michael.
Michael Lashomb (02:04):
Yeah, it's great to be here.
I appreciate you having me on.
Bella Paige (02:07):
So, to start, do you want to tell us a little bit
about your concussionexperience?
Michael Lashomb (02:11):
Yeah, so my concussion experience was one
initial concussion.
What's actually interesting isit started when I was very, very
young, with less information,and then the big kind of
impacting concussion happenedwhen I was about 15.
But when I was a child actuallywhen I was about a year old and
(02:33):
some change I had fallen down aflight of stairs in the
basement and I was havingconcussion symptoms, head injury
symptoms, but I was only achild and my mother didn't
really know what to do and theyactually assumed that she had
actually hurt me and so it waskind of this whole interesting
kind of traumatic situation thatgot iced out.
(02:54):
But luckily I healed from thatand years, years later I had my
first concussion that wasdiagnosed and that also was
recognized as a very largemedical issue.
Since it was, I was havingsevere symptoms.
I was unable to go to school, Iwas unable to compete in sports
, I was messing with my appetite, it was my ability to see, so I
(03:18):
was having a visual fieldcomplications.
So it happened when I was 15and I was in high school playing
at a lacrosse tournament and Iwas going in for a shot.
It was a fairly aggressiveplayer, so I was going to make
the shots that anyway could,without seeing what was
happening around me.
And the impact happened.
And you know, instant ithappened it changed my life.
(03:41):
You know, it was the way that Iexplain it.
That was so kind of interestingfor me was I had a life that I
had known.
You know, I had kind of atrajectory and a train track
that I had been on that I knew Icould recognize myself of who I
was and I was Michael and I wasan athlete and I was a kid and
I was just having fun.
And when that happened itreally changed the trajectory of
(04:04):
my entire consciousness and myability to recognize myself as
who I was.
So that first concussion wasvery profound, in that I had an
awareness of who I was and thensuddenly that all completely
changed and I had to kind ofreformat who I was but also
recognize that I was going to beliving life in a different way.
(04:27):
So that was, that was the firstexperience, and that was around
2000 and that would have beenabout 2001.
Bella Paige (04:34):
Yeah, it's changed a lot since 2001.
It's interesting that youmentioned the one year old story
, because it's actuallysomething I've never shared on
the podcast and I'm at over 100episodes.
Michael Lashomb (04:49):
Really.
Bella Paige (04:49):
But when I was one, I flew down the stairs and I
was actually unconscious and wasturning blue and my parents
raised me to the hospital.
So it's just kind ofinteresting.
I've never shared that, I havethought about it and I've
mentioned it to doctors on if itever, like, affected me like
(05:09):
now.
Michael Lashomb (05:11):
Yeah, totally.
Bella Paige (05:12):
Yeah, I've never shared that one, that's so
interesting.
Michael Lashomb (05:15):
So I know, yeah , I know that when we kind of
had a conversation before thepodcast, you know you had also
had your injury when you were 15.
And then we didn't even talkabout that either and I didn't
talk about it at all either.
But you were like first impactand I was like wait, my mom told
me that story and I was like Iactually, when I was very young,
you know, had a very intensehead injury.
(05:37):
I knew I was 15.
Luckily I had a really amazingdoctor, that's Dr Rieger.
I'm infinitely grateful for him.
He really helped me get througha lot.
But you know, besides him he was, he was helping me with kind of
rehabilitation side of it.
But as for other doctors thatwere working with me when I was
in high school and then when Icontinued to play in college, it
was just becoming like a pushbutton kind of situation.
(06:01):
But there was still minimalunderstanding of rehabilitation,
of how to diagnose them and theprotocol.
You know the protocol washardly ever there as well either
.
So it's drastically differentas to how, medically, a
concussion or a head injury wasseen back in 2001.
As compared to now which isgreat, you know, there's so many
(06:24):
more resources, which isfantastic, and there's a lot of
strides that are being made thatI'm really excited about Like,
for example, you know how I kindof got connected with you and
my experience having worked withthe same foundation.
You know they're focusing onrehabilitation, focusing on
raising funds to supportrehabilitation and programs, and
that's for me, that was thebiggest thing, because I didn't
(06:46):
have any of those resources.
So I think that is really oneof the wonderful things about
where we're at now is the amountof resource.
Just like your podcast, it's anopportunity for people to share
stories, but that's importantbecause each individual head
injury is so drasticallydifferent from the other persons
how they cooperated from it,how they recoiled, how they
(07:07):
understood who they were and howthey took care of themselves,
you know.
So I think it's reallywonderful that you're doing this
to shed light and give moreresources for people.
Bella Paige (07:17):
Yeah, thank you very much.
It has changed a lot since 2001.
It's changed a lot since Istarted this about almost 11
years.
So for me it was a lot of headinjuries and then when I turned
15, it was too many headinjuries essentially, and
eventually that's when theheadaches didn't stop and after
I turned 15, they lasted forabout seven years.
(07:40):
So it was definitely lifechanging and you talked about
that, your life changing and notknowing who you are.
That's something that'sactually come up for myself
lately, which is kind of new forme because I've dealt with it
in the past.
So to re-deal with it isdefinitely something that is
something that's ongoing.
But when it has to do with yourhealth it adds a lot more
(08:02):
factors into who you are.
I always identified myself assomeone with sports Like.
I always identified myself assomeone with one thing, one
really strong passion.
I was a horse jumper, I was anarcher, I was a dirt biker.
I like put all these terms sostrongly against who I was that
(08:24):
I kind of forgot that there wasa lot more to me than just those
things.
But that can be the bigchallenge with doing sports and
things like that, whenconcussions kind of take over.
So you talked about who youwere and how it changed.
And then you know, recovering.
You were recovering in 2001.
So 2001,.
(08:44):
Concussion, or recovery, waspretty vague.
Basically, whoever was helpingyou was creating it as they were
helping you because it's notlike there was tons of research
studies out there.
Considering there's not a tonof research studies out there
now compared to other differentillnesses.
So when you dealt with that,did you deal with, like, the
balance of pushing and pulling?
You kept playing lacrosse incollege so you didn't stop at 15
(09:07):
.
So how did that go?
Michael Lashomb (09:10):
Yeah, it really ties into a lot of what you had
just said is the it'sidentifying yourself.
And I think when you're soyoung in it was just because of
curiosity or essentiallysomething I felt internally and
I felt driven by and I think Ihad also had I'm very driven by
(09:32):
visions or dreams that I havethat I put in front of myself
and you know, I think we're allsusceptible to.
It really is it's this kind oftribe mentality of being kind of
identified as something andbeing pushed as a certain way.
And when I was 15, I just wasalways in competitive sports.
I'd always been a standoutplayer, whatever team I was on,
(09:53):
whether it's basketball,football, baseball, lacrosse.
When I was 15, I just had somany coaches telling me you know
, you're going to go D1, you'regoing to Division one.
Lacrosse is, you know, incollege is the highest level.
So it's something that I'dalways dreamed about
participating at the highestlevel, and I would be dreamed
about winning a championship oralways dreamed about the big
(10:15):
moments.
And suddenly I have this headinjury which just completely
obliterates all the momentumtowards that and the ability to
even see that vision.
And it was really challengingbecause I had become, you know
Mike, this lacrosse player, andit was in a sports player.
(10:36):
I'd always been an athlete, Iwas going to stand out athlete
and that became really kind ofshattering for me.
But because that was in my headand in my psyche so much my
subconscious, like this need toperform on a field and be seen
with that particular talent, Ithink it became this driving
fuel in my mind to tell myselfto keep going so that I wouldn't
(11:01):
let the depression overtake me.
Because when I had my concussion, like I said, I just went home.
They were like I will have tosleep at home.
But I couldn't handle sunlight,I couldn't handle the sounds,
even I couldn't watch tv, likemy eyes couldn't do that.
So I was in a dark room formonths.
You know, I just had thisoverwhelming focus of being like
(11:23):
I'm gonna get back, I'm gonnaget back on the field, I'm gonna
keep playing, I've gotta keepplaying.
You know, and I don't know howmuch of that was kind of old
subconscious programming of whatI needed to do or not, but I I
felt that that was the thing topull me out of depression.
But during that period I hadtaught myself how to play guitar
, just you know, a couple yearsbefore my concussion and I was
(11:45):
always really into playing andpracticing it whenever I had
time, I just.
But I always thought it waslike a hobby, which is this
thing?
And when I had my concussion Ihad been.
My mom noticed it more than Idid actually, because I was just
in a space of going day by dayby day.
She was the one that was ableto kind of like put things in
front of me to say, hey, this iswhere you've been, this is
(12:06):
what's been happening with you.
She kind of kept time for me,just accounting for what I was
doing and how I was day by, day,by day to help me out.
So that's where, like, musichad started for me.
You know, it started as this,this little passion of mine that
luckily was, this passion wasluckily kind of giving me a
different direction.
So as time went on with lacrosse, I just kept it compound my
(12:30):
head injuries compounded moreand more and more just from my
lifestyle, and I was depressed,I was confused, I was hiding the
fact that I was having injuries, I was drinking a lot, I was, I
was very sad and using thealcohol to combat my depression
while I was in school, and so itwas.
I was very living thisincredibly secretive life of of
(12:54):
loneliness and and and despairand depression and symptoms like
heavy, heavy symptoms, likebeing on a field, not knowing
anywhere, no depth perception,and being on a field and
nauseated and completely fuzzedout.
And I did that for years andyeah, it was.
It was a really challengingexperience, but that's kind of
(13:16):
where I was at.
It was like this thing to digme out.
It's this thing to hopefully belike the light at the end of
the tunnel, which was kind offunny because it was making it
worse and it was making my headinjuries worse and I was
becoming almost moredisassociated and and
disattached from what wasreality.
And so I just kind of came tothe point where I was practicing
(13:40):
one day and I couldn't Icouldn't catch the ball, I
couldn't see where it was, andthese were fundamental, easy,
standard things that I could doand it just was not clicking and
I knew that something was wrong, like like terribly wrong, and
I just had this vision.
I don't know why, but I had thisvision of myself like being 40
years old and playing with mychildren.
(14:01):
You know, that was like thiscrowning image of like what
would it be like to be able toplay with my kids?
And like if I kept going, wouldI be able to even foster
relationship or even take careof children.
So it was this kind of flash,you know, and it was more or
less like maybe a cue point totake care of myself.
So I I stepped away from acrossand that started the healing
(14:23):
process and since then I haven'thad any head injuries, luckily,
you know, and it was that kindof identification, you know, and
that's kind of like you know alot.
That's a real big package tokind of unravel yeah, that's
okay.
Bella Paige (14:37):
It's great.
I really appreciate it for youfor sharing all that.
It's definitely something toopen up about.
We talk about mental health alot here on the podcast and
dreams and things like that, andI am going to address it a lot
more and then talk about kind ofwhere you're at now, but we're
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Welcome back to the PostConcussion Podcast with my self
Bella Paige and today's guest,Michael Lashomb.
So you mentioned dreams beforewe took the break and I think
that's something that's reallyimportant to talk about because
it actually came up inConcussion Connect.
The other day we had a memberhaving a really hard time
deciding what school program togo to, because one was more
(16:28):
sports-orientated than beforetheir concussion a big passion
and then another program whichis a little calmer on their
brain, less active, but theywere trying to decide between
their old dreams and, if theywere allowed to have new dreams,
what it meant to get rid of adream or kind of let it go,
things like that.
And that can be challenging,especially when you're young,
(16:51):
when you decide to go to school.
A lot of times you're only 16,17, 18, you're very young trying
to decide what you want to dowith your life.
And you mentioned thedepression and the sports and
for me, show jumping was kind ofmy escape from the world of
what was actually going on in mylife.
I was very ill, I couldn't getout of bed.
I was super dizzy.
(17:11):
I was lucky if I could make itdown the stairs most days.
But my parents would still letme ride horses.
And now, did that help my brain?
Definitely not, but I thinkthey didn't know what else to do
with me, and neither did mydoctors, and that's why a lot of
them let me keep riding.
Most of them said it was finebecause it got me out of the
house, it got me active, it gotme to do something, because my
(17:35):
depression was really severe andI was having a really hard time
.
Some of those therapies that Isee people do.
I encourage a lot of that stuff.
But I know if you went back intime to where I was at, I
couldn't have done them.
If I stood on one foot, Iclosed my eyes, I would have
fallen over Totally.
It's not that the therapiesweren't important.
It's not that the dreamsweren't important.
(17:56):
It's that sometimes your mindcan get in a way that, like this
, will solve it, and then youget hooked.
That's kind of how I felt aboutmy headaches.
As if my headaches went away,my depression might go away and
then life would go back tonormal.
But that wasn't the case.
That's not how it worked.
Depression is an illness.
I had to address it like anillness, but I didn't do that
(18:16):
for a really long time, you know.
You know there's somethingwrong and you mentioned that
like clarity moment.
I was just picturing kids andbeing a parent and I don't know
if I had that moment, but Idefinitely had a moment where I
started to realize that what Iwas doing was making things
worse.
So I had taken a break fromshow jumping for a little while
(18:41):
and I was doing better and thenwhen I went back, all the
headaches came back.
The nodule came back, the pain,the depression it was like a
wave.
I was so happy to be finallybeing back to being a
professional athlete riding 24-7.
And then, you know, my healthtanked when I did that and I was
like, okay, all of a suddenit's not worth it, and sometimes
(19:02):
we talk about that a lot.
You have to choose what's worthit in this, because it's an
ongoing thing.
You're always battling withyour health, so you have to
choose what's worth laying inbed for a day, what's not and
that's really a personal choice.
Of course, medicalprofessionals have their
opinions on that as well thatyou need to take into account.
But you stepped away fromlacrosse, which I think is a
(19:22):
huge thing for anybody to stepaway from a sport, especially
when you are doing very well ina sport, I think that adds to it
like Division 1.
Definitely adds a lot ofpressure to stop and you don't
know what to do with your lifeafter that.
So how was shifting your focusto something else?
You've mentioned guitar, so doyou want to talk a little bit
(19:43):
about that?
Michael Lashomb (19:44):
Yeah, totally, and I appreciate you sharing
that because it is.
You know, there are so manysimilarities and symmetries
between your experience withhead injuries and mine as well,
and there's a couple ofdifferent things you said there
that I thought were really valid.
I think what happened with meis I started writing songs.
I started just writing where Iwas emotionally and writing
(20:05):
whatever I could, you know, andthen it became poetry, and so
the music slowly kind of pulledmyself out of it and I started
kind of building my own newworld, my own new kind of
universe, but ironically, Iwasn't really sharing it with
anybody else.
Music started kind of takingover and it was something I
could do and keep me healthy.
It was something that didn'tgive me symptoms and it was a
(20:26):
different outlet.
And I feel like that's kind ofwhere we should be putting our
energy, just like your podcast,and putting our energy into my
music, because we can allcollectively build different
opportunities and builddifferent environments, build
different kind of realities forpeople, rather than being this
well, you got to go back toschool, you know.
(20:47):
You got to do your thing again.
That was not conducive to myability of functioning, you know
.
So it's something that wereally have to highlight.
We have to kind of like take astep back.
I'm so fortunate where I'm atnow, but that's where I think it
comes into play is we live in asociety that is hyper-focusing
on the individual and what theindividual presents physically
(21:10):
to the world.
But I personally believe thatmy optimism is exciting.
I believe that consciously, wecan evolve to a space where
there is more space, there'smore lightness, there's more
openness for people to create,there's more openness for people
to share, there's more opennessand non-judgment, so that if
somebody wants to be who theyare, they can be who they are.
(21:30):
You know, that's my long-windedkind of answer, right there, no
, it's good, it's true, with theopenness that you mentioned.
Bella Paige (21:39):
It's nice for people to be open, but it's not
only nice for other people tohear it, but it helps you a lot
too, and I think that'ssomething we don't realize that
sharing can help us.
You know, sometimes we share tohelp others.
That's how I started this, butI didn't realize how much it
would help me.
In the process of you knowdifferent things I've learned
(22:00):
opening up more, actually divingdown a little bit deeper into
who I am, passions, things likethat and you mentioned energy,
and energy is something a lot ofconcussion survivors don't have
Sometimes.
It's where a lot of thatreassessing your energy and kind
of figuring out where you wantto focus, it is something that
(22:20):
can really help survivors andyou can do it every month, you
can do it every week, I do itevery month and kind of decide
where do I want to put my energy, because we don't have enough
energy for everything, but beingable to have energy for
anything is really nice, so kindof making decisions like that
can really be helpful.
Michael Lashomb (22:40):
Yeah, totally, totally.
Bella Paige (22:41):
And that's where having people around you is
really essential, and that's whyconcussion connects exists for
people who have people and thenpeople who need people.
That understand Because I thinkI had a lot of issues with that
is that people around me werevery supportive and they were
wonderful, but they didn't getit because they hadn't gone
through it.
And they can think they get it,but until you've gone through
(23:03):
it it's very hard to understand.
And we've talked about a lotfrom changing focus, dealing
with dreams and depression andthings like that, and so is
there anything else you'd liketo add before we end today's
episode?
Michael Lashomb (23:18):
Oh, totally.
I mean, there's so many things,but I really appreciate what
you're doing.
I think that it's exciting.
I checked out all the stuff.
Obviously, you even have acookbook for concussion recovery
, which is amazing.
I think the biggest thing for mewas the concussions were deeply
spiritually rooted as well, andbecause I started to recognize
(23:44):
and realize that when ithappened, this is my own
personal prerogative, this is myown personal spirituality, this
is my own take on my ownpersonal existence and why I
came here.
Because it was just me.
I was always trying to findmeaning in what was happening to
me.
I was always trying to find outwhy did this happen to me?
Why did I have such aearth-shattering experience to
(24:09):
put me in this place where I'mat now?
Because, like I said, it's liketrain tracks.
I was no longer the person thatI thought I was, that I grew up
and built a consciousnessaround from age zero to age 12.
My adolescence had shiftedcompletely, but it started at
that.
That's where I believe, as darkas it was and as depressing as
(24:33):
it was and I wouldn't havewished it upon anybody and from
that experience, from that deep,deep experience, you know that
almost purgatory like experienceI have built such an awareness
of the depth of the humanexperience I mean and that was
still just a scratch on theinfinite and how infinitesimal
(24:56):
sometimes we can be, but at thesame time, how radiant and how
incredible we are that we can dothis.
Like what you've done is you'vebuilt this incredible support
system up into a contingency anda vortex and an energy that's
going.
I mean that I was able tobecome a part of, because I was
(25:17):
aligned to that.
I've never told anybody thestory but and I'll tell you
because the big thing about thisis sharing my story as well I
was a division, like I said, Iwas a division one athlete and
when I was done playing lacrosse, it was done.
I literally gave my gear awayand I shifted gears.
It was like it never happenedand I didn't emotionally and
(25:38):
spiritually and energeticallycope with the fact that I just
had potentially traumatic,catastrophic injury.
But it was the struggle I wentthrough by on my own, behind the
scenes.
I wasn't sharing my story, Iwasn't telling you this, I had
no outlet.
I didn't go to therapy becauseI did go to therapy once, they
(25:59):
just were trying to give meMedication to stimulate me more
than actually listen to what wasgoing on inside of myself.
You know, it was something thatI started to realize that I
wanted something more, becauseI'm so depressed, you know, and
I was, I.
It was there's this week where Iwas contemplating how I would,
how I would leave this planet onmy own terms in a certain
(26:22):
solution.
You know, I was contemplatingsuicide and it was A very deeply
about all the things, so that Imean, anyway, I was at this
point where it was a couple dayseven before, I thought maybe I
would do it and follow throughwith the whole process.
And I know it sounds kind ofdark, but it was.
It was.
I was driving, I got in my carand it was almost like I was on
(26:44):
autopilot.
I can't explain the sensation,but it was like this is five
years into my concussions, and Iwas just driving and I was
driving around my hometown and Iwas just like I don't know why,
but I went into the Barnesnoble, I went into the library,
the store, and I just Went andrandomly went to this aisle, but
it was the art of happiness bythe Dalai Lama and it was just
(27:06):
this way.
That's it, just for me.
At that moment it broke thingsdown and understanding what my
true happiness was, you know,and that mindfulness, and from
that I started.
I started practicing meditation, I started practicing centering
, I started practicing awarenessand that was such a huge change
for me that it helped me torealize that I can use my brain
(27:27):
in different, deeper ways.
And from understanding thatprocess I have it's changed my
life so drastically.
I was able to take mydepression levels down.
I was able to take day by daySituations, you know, I was able
to not take the overwhelmingdark cloud and I was able to
lift it a little bit, findpractices whether it's breathing
(27:50):
or whether it's just relaxationor whether it was just, you
know, clearing my mind.
And ever since I come out andshared it with you know the same
you and now this podcast.
I I've had so many people reachout to me all over the world
that I've never met before mylife.
I've had people that are myfriends, that I have known, that
I never understood what theywent through, that are coming to
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me with with wonderful stories.
That's where I feel likethere's a deeper calling that we
all have, and head injuries canbe a on unraveling to kind of
let something more pure andbeautiful and untangled kind of
come through.
But I just want to say thankyou for doing what you do.
(28:33):
I I'm super grateful for thisplatform and I know that many,
many others are as well, and Ijust I think you're alchemy's in
your situation such a beautifulway and I'll I think you've
energized me and motivated me toShare my story and I'm just
very grateful for you and notthis community you're building.
Bella Paige (28:53):
Thank you, and thank you for sharing.
It's definitely.
It's okay.
We get dark on the podcast allthe time.
I still remember the day when Itold my brother that I did an
episode and he's like I was like, like he's like, no, it was
dark.
I'm like Like I laughed andhe's like it was still a really
dark episode.
I'm like, yeah, okay, well,yeah, I mean, sometimes you
gotta go Can be really dark.
(29:18):
Brain injuries can be reallydark and they can put you in
really dark places, but theyalso allow us.
Like you said, one of thebenefits from concussions and
brain injuries can be getting toknow yourself more than you
ever have before, because it'swho you spend the most time with
.
So I do want to thank you somuch For coming on today and
sharing your story and being soopen with everyone today.
Michael Lashomb (29:41):
Absolutely.
I'm infinitely grateful and andI appreciate you and I hope
that people can take from thiswhat resonates to them
personally and I wish as manypeople all over healing of All
sorts, whether physically,mentally, spiritually or
emotionally, and thank you somuch for your time.
Bella Paige (29:59):
Need more than just this podcast, be sure to check
out our website on the websiteTo see how we can help you in
your post concussion life, froma support network to one on one
coaching.
I believe life can get betterbecause I've lived through it.
Make sure you take it one dayat a time.
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