April 7, 2025 • 35 mins
What dark forces connect legendary musicians who died at exactly 27? The mysterious "27 Club" includes some of music's most brilliant minds - Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Amy Winehouse - all claimed at the same haunting age.
Our hosts dive deep into the origins of this phenomenon, tracing it back to blues legend Robert Johnson, whose supernatural guitar skills spawned myths of a deal with the devil at the crossroads. When Johnson mysteriously died at 27 in 1938, it began what would become a disturbing pattern.
The conversation takes particularly fascinating turns when examining recent revelations about Kurt Cobain's death. A new witness claims to have been present when Cobain was murdered, contrary to the official suicide ruling. We explore the compelling evidence suggesting Cobain's suicide note may have been partially forged, and the suspicious timing of Hole bassist Kristen Pfaff's death shortly afterward - also at 27.
Beyond the sensational theories, we examine what makes this phenomenon so captivating. Is it merely confirmation bias focusing on famous people who happened to die at the same age? Or does the intense pressure of fame, coupled with substance abuse and the "live fast, die young" lifestyle, create a perfect storm for vulnerable young artists? We even discuss the bizarre "white lighter curse" - the superstition that white lighters were found at multiple 27 Club death scenes.
Whether you believe in cosmic connections or statistical coincidences, this episode offers a thoughtful exploration of creativity, fame's dark side, and our need to find meaning in tragedy. Email us at powerspointpodcast@yahoo.com with your own theories or suggestions for future topics!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of the Powerspoint Podcast, we sit
down and talk about a club, Aclub that is shrouded in mystery
, studied by scientists anddebated on by everyone.
We're talking about none otherthan the 27 Club.
Hey Scott, give us that clubbeat.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, hello, hello, welcome to the Powers Point
Podcast.
I'm Scott Powers, and with meis Jim Banks, hello, and, as
always with us, keith Mackeyfrom Toledo.
Hello, you know, it feels goodto have the crew back, guys.
I'm not going to lie.
If you just tune in wonderingwhat we are about, well, hello,
(01:08):
you know it feels good to havethe crew back, guys, I'm not
going to lie.
If you're just tuning in andwondering what we are about,
well, the only thing I can sayis we talk about anything and
everything, with the exceptionof two things.
We don't talk religion.
We don't talk politics.
We like to keep thingslighthearted and have a laugh or
two, but no more than three.
That's my limit.
That's in our contract, guys.
That's my limit.
That's in our contract, guys.
(01:29):
No more than three.
So let's, uh, let's just dogood.
And I didn't sign a contract,oh, shoot.
So so you're, you're not liablefor it.
Oh, my god, can't be held.
Today, as jim said, we arediving into a mystery that's
haunted music fans, conspiracytheorists and pop culture
junkies for decades the 27 27Club.
You guys probably heard of it,those legendary artists who all
left us at tragically young ageof 27.
(01:50):
But what's the deal.
Is it a curse, a coincidence ora statistical fluke?
Make sure you grab yourheadphones, folks, because we
are about to break it down.
This one.
It hit me the other day as Iwas driving.
I'm like man, it's just.
This is a good subject for usto talk about.
It's weird, it's differentpeople, a lot of conspiracy
(02:12):
theorists hit it and also it hasnot only the age, but a little
object known as a white lighter.
I don't know if you guys haveseen that in their research.
I guess by all the bodies whenthese people pass, there's
always a white lighter, like abig lighter, grows by them.
(02:36):
So I'm like, well, I'm notbuying no lighter, no more, no
white lighters.
Definitely looking forward tothis conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And there was a lot of new information on a few of
these that just like kind ofcame out too.
So this, this the timing isgood.
For that reason also, I believe.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know like we always try to think of like
different subjects that willgrab people and get their
attention.
I believe this one will getthem.
But before we do all that, it'sbeen a couple weeks since all
three of us have been heretogether, so what have you guys
been up to?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Myself, I keep watching the same documentary on
a band called Killing Joke Jim.
Are you familiar with them?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Killing Joke.
I've heard of them.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
They're from late 70s , 80s and they're still.
I believe they're still well.
I don't think they're stillgoing today because one of the
members passed away but hewasn't 27.
Uh, let me see the.
But the documentary is calledthe death and resurrection show
and it's on tubi and I just beenwatching the shit out of that
thing, like I like I don't know,I just when I like something
and I can actually engage in it,like I watch the shit out of it
(03:42):
, oh okay, and that's what I'vebeen doing lately.
So, and I actually feel nowthat I'm familiar, you know way
more.
I say I've always, like uh,been vaguely familiar with them,
but not recently am I likereally, really into them and uh,
kind of feel like their singeris very precursor to uh, kurt
(04:02):
cobain okay I guess should wejust kind of start with him yeah
, after the commercial, we'regonna just like deep dive into
this okay, and we didn't.
And I'm telling you what I'mdoing jim didn't?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
you guys didn't say what you're oh I was uh
basically not to get into it toomuch, but I had a family member
going to the uh had to go tochicago university of chicago
and uh hospital procedure andback and forth and back and
forth and taking the son toschool and dealing with our dog
and it's like it's just aheadache and you guys some of
(04:34):
you guys know how to.
That you've been dealing withtoo in the past.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Did you catch Jimmy's cold at all?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No no.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Thank goodness he had a.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I forgot that's a twin.
Yeah, he had a.
I forgot that's him.
Yes, he had a cold.
Uh, he just had a cold rightwhen this all started and trying
to keep him away from everybodyand you know the dog, and oh,
it's just a mess.
Well, they say also the weather.
I mean today it was what 75 orsomething here yeah yeah, and
the wind.
And the wind was just blowinglike 40 miles an hour.
I'm like what's going on aroundhere?
(05:04):
It was 30 like yesterday orsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And it feels like you're standing in a hairdryer
with the wind and you're justlike you can't even feel good.
The humidity was up.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's supposed to rain and drop tomorrow and the next
day, or something.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, of course it's the weekend, of course it's
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Hey, you remember when, uh, andrew dice clay used
to say, we used to say peoplehad the wind tunnel tested
hairdo, yeah, everything, that'swhen they, when the wind's
blowing and you know the hair'sjust going to shit.
Oh so, all in all, man,everything else, okay, jim in
the house.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah pretty much jump .
I've been uh, had this time off.
I've been uh, cleaning mybasement with all my garbage and
just I'm deciding I can't anylonger just do it.
I'm just starting makinggarbage bags and just throwing
stuff away.
And it's just finding a wholebunch of like home videos and
like, uh, like the old reel toreels.
There's a place online that hasuh like family history stuff, I
(05:59):
find, and they, they'll takeyour film I don't know if it's
in Utah or something, the one ofthe best ones in the world and
uh, or in the America, and theytake your film like that You're
reel to reel, they'll fix it andthen they'll digitize it any
way you want and they can takeeach frame of the film and make
(06:19):
stills of that and they, theyfix everything up and send the
original back to you and youknow, whatever drive you have or
dvds or stuff of all yourthings, and you know, I, I
looked into this because when mymother-in-law died, she she had
some reels and it's veryexpensive.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But if you, if you go to amazon, you could buy that
yeah film converter for like 66bucks and I was like really,
yeah, you know.
But, like my wife said, howmany times we're gonna really
use that once you convert things, you know and, yeah, well, then
we can convert other people'sstuff, you know, sell to them
absolutely.
You know, because, like, at theone place I was looking, man,
(06:59):
it was like 180 for a nine inchreel and I'm like for what you
know, like, and they can't evenguarantee you, you know, if the
film breaks or whatever causebeing old and Jim being that,
that's film you know, that's old, so it's it's?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
it's like when I was born in the seventies and all
the seventies, christmases andstuff, and that's right, right
and uh, that's right, right andand that's frail, yeah, and I
got my grandparents ones thatwere from the forties and
fifties, when my mom was like akid and that and I'm like, oh, I
gotta get, I gotta get aprofessional.
I don't want to mess these up.
It'll like, like you said,crumble in my fingers and I'll
cry or something.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Right, right, and then the whole family looks at
you like you ruined the wholething.
You know, the only thing I'vebeen doing, man, it's work,
sleep, nursing home, work, sleepin hospital, work, sleep,
nursing home, and it's like theonly good thing is is I save
money by doing that, you know,because I'm not going anywhere.
But now my pops, like I said,he's in this, they call it a
resort and it got Starbucks andeverything in it.
I seen these double baconcheeseburgers for like $10, with
(08:10):
real homemade cut fries and allthat and it's like $10.
And I'm like, oh man, this islike the wrong thing for me to
see, because I love eating out,you know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It makes you think when our generation x hits that
old folks home, you know time,yeah.
And then when we're the oldones, it'll be like they'll have
arcades and nintendos and segasand all the old stuff that we
used to play with and stuff yeah, great, how straight would that
be, man's every arcade, we'llbe out of our mind having like
slushies or something andplaying old nintendo.
(08:45):
Like just sitting there, likenot knowing what we're doing,
just playing that would be.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That would be awesome really, but that's all I've
been doing, man, so I'm reallyinterested in like jumping in on
this in this topic.
So we're going to take a quickcommercial break and when we
return we're going to dive deepin the club 27.
So stay tuned, we'll be backafter these messages, if you
want to hear all the action.
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
As we said before the commercial, we're going to dive
into the 27 Club.
Here's the basics.
Okay, the 27 Club isn't anactual club with membership
cards or secret handshakes eventhough that would be pretty cool
.
It's the name given to theeerie pattern of iconic
musicians dying at the age of 27, often at the peak of their
(09:54):
fame.
You know we're talking aboutall kinds of legends like
Hendrix and Joplin and others,and the names alone aren't
enough to make you sit up and gowait.
What's going on here?
There's like so much stuff,that is, are people cursed?
Are they?
I have issues?
You know like some are suicides, some are like wrecks.
(10:17):
You know, like why are thesepeople dropping dead at 27 and
every age, like in comedy andeverything?
They have like a 32 club.
You know, and I never knew thatuntil I was researching this,
what do you guys got man on this?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
the secret club one of the first ones that was in
this uh club was robert johnson.
He was, uh, he's been calledthe master of the blues.
He grew up in in theMississippi Delta area back in
the early thirties or twentiesand thirties and little is known
about his life because he theydidn't keep records and stuff
and it was the, of course, thetime of uh, you know, bad part
(10:56):
of American history and that foruh African-Americans.
And the basics is it was saidthat he sold his soul to the
devil at the local crossroads inreturn for a music success,
musical success and basically helike started playing the guitar
and stuff but wasn't reallygood and he was average.
And then he went away for ayear and nobody know where he
(11:18):
went.
And he came back and all of asudden he just made these songs
were like unheard of andeverybody's like what the heck
happened and stuff.
And somehow they said that hesold his hold of the devil to be
able to play that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And what he came back with.
He played better than what mostpeople at the time, but there's
still, to this day, musiciansyou know like that are wondering
how he did that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
In a year?
Yeah, Like a couple of monthsor a year.
How did he get to that level?
There's no way.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
If you listen, like you said, man, he was just a
normal guy playing the guitarman, and it wasn't no big deal,
it wasn't something that youwere going to run home and be
like hey, you got to listen toRobert.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
When he came back, things happened man and that's
where the myth came in at thecrossroads, and he only had two
recording sessions recorded andonly 29 songs.
Some of them have like twotakes and stuff, but only 29
songs.
And rock legends like RobertPlant, bob Dylan, keith Richards
(12:20):
they all said he influencedtheir work and Clapton said that
he was the most important bluessinger to ever live.
There was a documentary onNetflix called Devil at the
Crossroad.
Yeah, that's a good one andit's just a quick, under an hour
or something, but it reallygives the basics of everything
and that even in his death, itwas mysterious because they
(12:41):
didn't tell the public that hedied, because they were just
using his music and stuff.
And when someone finally foundhis death certificate, it said
unknown causes which back thenthey weren't going to check
Right, right, especially in thepoor South.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh yeah, which is where he is from.
Just throw him in a hole.
We'll call it a date.
Yeah, only a date and alocation.
That's it.
And I think only recently inthe last decade did they finally
put a headstone on, and it waswhat he died in, like the late
30s.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
August 16th 1938.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and the dude just got a headstone.
That shows how much importancethey put on African Americans in
the South.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And there was actually like three locations.
People swear that his body'sthere but it could have been
like an unmarked grave thatthey're guessing that it's this
one grave.
But he was, I guess.
He sang like Sweet Home,chicago.
He made that song crossroadblues me and the devil blues
hellhound on my trail.
Some of the songs are likedevil and hellhound.
(13:46):
It's like god.
Was he actually telling it you?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
know, or was he telling it to hype it up?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
yeah, like thinking he had more time.
But they also said he was likea womanizer and uh, and he would
have like he got cocky when hecame back and stuff, and that's
what might have did him in right, where the actual devil just
took him.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I don't know again that that could be on our
conspiracy theory.
Uh, myth show too, man, becausethere's so much behind that guy
.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm sure the devil went down to georgia was, uh,
probably taken or used by whencharlie daniels made it probably
about him a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's crazy man what else?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
got keith, you got any?
Uh, he's.
I feel like robert johnson'sdefinitely a good place to start
, um, especially considering, uh, like you're saying, robert
planton definitely, uh, jimmypage would have been influenced
by him.
And, uh, if you heard lastweek's episode, I love Jimmy
Page.
Let's just make that clear.
Whatever I said about you know,I mean what I said.
I was being, uh, whatever.
I love Jimmy Page, let's saythat.
(14:47):
But he's also, coincidentally,in the Killing Joke documentary
and, as I was saying, I feellike, um, the the raspy voice
sound is very similar to the wayKurt Cobain sang, and Kurt was
obviously another one that wastaken away at 27.
Now, recently there's been awitness.
I don't know if you guys haveseen this at all.
(15:08):
There's a guy saying that hewas there the night that he was
murdered, that it was two guys,one dude named Dylan Carlson and
the other guy, I can't remember, said that Kurt had come home
and was trying to throw thoseguys out of his house because he
was trying to leave the country.
He was leaving Nirvana to go dowhatever it was, you know, I
(15:30):
mean he was going to do and hissuicide note was actually sent
to another person, because thatwas him saying that he was
leaving Nirvana and it's beensince then proven by handwriting
apps experts that, uh, thebottom of his suicide note was
not written by him.
And they found two people.
Yeah, they found practice pageswhere Courtney love had been
(15:52):
practicing his handwriting.
Yeah, I mean, and there's what?
There's a lot of shit tiedinvolved in that and you always
got to, you know, you got to say, well, who prospers the most?
But in this case there's peopleactually saying it was her and
supposedly, again, allegedly,she has been in some kind of
like drunken stupor and admitted.
Yeah, they say one or twopeople said that she's actually
(16:12):
gone.
You know not on record, that youknow not on record.
That was I was about to say onrecord, that was not what she
did, but she's like let it slipand admitted that you know.
And so there there's I can'tremember what the girl's name is
, but in her and another coupleof people.
They're really trying hard toget the case reopened and I
think there was just some kindof switch in the Seattle Police
Department where they'reactually looking at seriously
(16:35):
reopening the case and lookingat all the flawed ways that it
was handled and the way he wasruled a suicide.
Basically the same day theyfound him dead and he was
cremated within like a couple ofdays.
And there's a lot of you know,there's a lot of conspiracy to
that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I want to say that when they cremated him they
did it publicly, like like theold Viking days, and they, they,
they burned him right in themiddle of the the town.
They had a bed.
Yeah, I'm almost.
I don't know if I dreamt that,but I remember when it went down
back when it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I remember them showing like police sketches or
or like how the shotgun thatshot him and they said that, oh,
he shot himself and I'm likehis arms couldn't reach right,
pull the trigger, that had to be, and I always thought she had
something to do with it.
And they said that, oh, he shothimself and I'm like his arms
couldn't reach Right.
He pulled a trigger, that hadto be, and I always thought she
had something to do with it.
Yeah, and then, if you look onthis list, this very list right
after Kurt Cobain, a coupleweeks later, or a month or two
(17:29):
later, it's Kristen Pfaff.
Kristen Pfaff, yeah, he's thebasis for the band Hole.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Alleg.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He's the basis for the, the band uh whole that
court allegedly who kurt cobainwas going to europe with.
I'm like what is the famoussaying is there's no such thing
as a coincidence, right, sheties with courtney love and kurt
ties with courtney love andthey both get mysteriously.
She drug overdose and hercobain killed himself.
No, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm sorry, that's something even with my eyes I
could see that you know, likethe amount of the amount of
copycat suicides that havehappened since then man, and
that's just the tragedy.
Now, you know, I mean it's atragedy on its own, but the fact
that it was, I don't know.
That's just so.
And I'll be honest, even thoughhe wasn't, you know, wasn't 27,
(18:14):
he lived to be an older age.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But I firmly believe that I don't think chris cornell
committed suicide either.
Yeah, I heard there was somestuff on that too, that he was
say something and then they gotrid of him before he right.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And then they're saying that kid from uh lincoln
park did it a week later to copyhim.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's like I don't buy that either because that dude
went to chris cornell's funeral,right?
Wasn't he the lead singer, limpBizkit, linkin Park?
Oh, yeah, linkin Park, yeah,and I think it's on a record
that you know.
He said he wouldn't go out likethat and didn't want to put his
people through that, and thenthat's how he went out he
(18:50):
actually did a brief stint asthe lead singer for Stone Sample
Pilots.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I don't know if you ever heard that, but that is.
They did a four-song ep.
I think it's called high rise,but uh, that's some rocking.
That's really rocking likethat's good stuff.
If your fans of either band orboth bands you know, I mean that
would definitely be somethingfor the years.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Right on man, right on the.
Okay, back on this list I hadone, uh, rudy lewis.
He was in the, the lead singerfor the band the drifters, and
he's, uh, he sang, uh mostpopular songs by them was, uh,
please stay some kind ofwonderful up on the roof and on
broadway.
And the craziest part was hewas 27 and on the night before
(19:32):
or they were going to recordunder the boardwalk which was
written for him and he was wasfound dead in his Harlem hotel
room and died the previous nightbefore they recorded it.
I mean that's crazy, dude.
And the autopsy said it was aprobable drug overdose.
Which probable, like we said?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
who knows when did they?
When was probable andacceptable?
Uh, you know somebody.
It's like when people sayaccidental overdose and you're
messing.
When was probable andacceptable?
You know version to givesomebody.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's like when people say accidental overdose, yeah,
and you're messing with thatstuff, right?
You're always taking a chance.
It's not an accident that youstuck yourself with heroin,
right?
It's a problem every time.
It's not an accident that youjust did an eight-ball Coke, you
know, and drink a whole bottleof JD.
You know that's not accidentalto me, man Right.
(20:18):
An accident was like trip,because you stubbed your toe on
the table and when you're layingon the ground the bag of Coke
fell out and went in your throatand you OD'd that way.
That's accidental to me, man.
Or somebody was playing dartswith a syringe and threw a
heroin needle and it justhappened to catch you in the
vein.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And a lot of these uh 27 club.
What really started making itgo crazy was around like what,
60, 1969 and 1970 there was acouple weeks or months separated
there a lot of the big, bignames on this were dying and all
uh 27 and people were freakingout and stuff.
Who was the?
Was it like uh, brian jones, Ithink brian j, who was the?
(20:57):
Or was it like Brian Jones?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think Brian Jones was the first.
Yeah, and the Rolling Stones,yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And then it said I don't know if it was Jimi
Hendrix or Janis Joplin, wasthat yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, he drowned it.
And then um a couple other, uh,a German singer and a lead
singer for drug overdose I don'tknow that, alan wilson.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
but then all of a sudden, jimmy hendrix died and
then joplin died exactly onemonth to the day right behind
him, and that was his the jimmyhendrix could have been avoided.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, from the way that, at least that I've heard
the story that it could.
You know that the women he waswith like took like 20 minutes
or so to try, and, you know, puteverything away before they
call any.
You know I mean, but that'sagain, that's, that's folklore.
We don't know, because I'vealso seen other people saying
like I know that was somebodyfed him a hot package, you know,
because they wanted him out.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So you never know oh, stuff back then was always uh,
you didn't know what they weredoing.
They were doing such crazydrugs, right, yeah?
Then janice joplin passed adrug overdose right after him,
and then a couple others, or oneother singer from uh who is it?
Arlist or christian?
Uh dyke and the blazersfrontman vocalist.
(22:11):
But then all of a sudden jimmyhendrix died, or jim morrison
died I'm sorry, jim, heartfailure have you seen any of the
, the recent, like what they'resaying?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
there's new stuff come out about that now.
No, they're saying thatMorrison actually OD'd at a club
, that he was using heroin inFrance and he left to get away
from shit but it was his lady,you know, was into it so much
and whatever that she got himback into it, whatever that she
(22:42):
got him back into it, and thathe had actually died in the
bathroom of a club.
And that there's people thatthat say that they saw uh, two
dudes like walking him out, like, yeah, arm and arm, like
walking him out, and that theyput him in the bathtub.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
and all that afterwards because I don't know,
I don't know why, maybe withthe, the water and then there's
a a whole thing with that too,that they cremated him before
anybody can, even even a doctor.
You know only two people seenthis dude dead pam, and whoever
cremated him.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
and then, a couple years after morrison passed,
then she passes from uh, analleged drug overdose too, and
she was the heir to his estate,but they weren't they estate,
but they weren't.
They were together but theyweren't like legally name change
married.
Right, her name wasn't Morrison.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right.
Well, supposedly the other ladywas legally married to him,
Patricia Keneally.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, the lady who's the the the, like the witch who
claims that she's a witch.
Yeah, good one to marry bud.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But eh, you know, he says it seemed like a good idea
at the time.
Let's talk about something elsehere, man.
It may not be just acoincidence, but a lot of people
think that it could besomething cosmic at play.
Some folks point to numerology27's got that mystical vibe
being three cubed and three is abig deal in spirituality.
Others say it's the live fast,die young lifestyle, drugs,
booze and the pressures of famehitting the breaking point.
(24:05):
There's even the as I mentionedearlier, the white lighter
curse.
That's the old superstitionabout white lighters being bad
luck, supposedly found nearalmost all these people that
died.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's really crazy.
I never heard that one.
Yeah, I never heard that oneeither, you know.
And then these people are dyingat the height of their fame,
(24:28):
and I think people are onlynoticing it because the people
that are dying are famous.
If it was you or me, orwhatever Girls go every day yeah
.
Yeah, you know, that list wouldbe in the millions.
People only notice this becauseof fame, which is sad, because
everybody deserves recognition,you know, and a lot of people
(24:48):
die naturally cancer or whatever.
We're not all old dn and.
But then there are some peoplethat died, like reba.
Mcintyre's band was in a planecrash.
They they were headed toIndiana in 1991.
She had two 27-year-old bandmembers and the plane hit the
mountain and killed them.
You know good, they're headingto Indiana, but almost the whole
(25:10):
band died, but there was two27-year-olds on there.
So of those people that died Ithink there was eight People.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Only see them two that are 27 years old and they
even did scientific studies onall these deaths and stuff the
whole club list and they didn'tfind anything really that sticks
out besides the, the basicfacts of fame may increase the
risk of death among musiciansbecause of their young age and
(25:38):
getting all the celebrity andjust not caring and stuff Right.
A lot of those just accidents.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Conspiracy theorists.
They believe in the curse.
So we have drugs, alcohols,accidents, cosmic curses.
Let's get real.
Scientists and statistics havepoked at this and they're not
buying the curse angle.
They say it's a mix ofconfirmation bias.
Again, we only know to thembecause of their fame.
It still gives you a little bitof a chill, even though we may
(26:10):
not believe that.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We're still like oh, and they're, they're even
attaching, like you said,they're attaching like actors
and actresses or sports peopleto this list just to try to keep
it going.
You know, yeah, with allconspiracy, and you're like, no,
you're kind of it was justmusicians, but you're adding
this stuff now, right, and yougot to figure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
There's so many celebrities, there has to be
several other ages that there'sjust like way more amount of oh
yeah, people who died at thatage.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You know what I mean when everybody says hendrix and
morrison andoplin, that's wheneverybody starts, you know, oh,
that's the number, it's like no,and I think it really picked up
when those top-named peoplethat you just mentioned all died
.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Boom, boom, boom, like back to back to back, you
know.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Before the internet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and Hendrix and Joplin.
They were dating and then allof a sudden she dies one month
after he did.
I don't know, maybe it's theheroin behind the eyeball, the
shooting up heroin from Hendrix.
That don't have nothing to dowith it.
They were all heavy into thedrug ads.
I don't know, man.
I don't know what to believe inthis thing.
Man.
(27:15):
Is it just the sad roll of dicein their life that they've got?
And I don't know.
I didn't think I'd make it past32, and here I am 52, and
wondering why, how have I madeit this far when a lot of like
younger people are gone?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well you just don't question it, man, just keep
going.
That's all you can do, rightyeah?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
So you guys got any more names or who you want to
throw out there.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Those are pretty much the big ones, I think.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I mean there's Amy Winehouse, but didn't.
I thought that was you wantedto speak on her right, here we
go.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And she died from alcohol poisoning and if you
notice her, in the last coupleof days she was slurring her
words, forgetting her the lyricsof the songs.
She had an awesome voice, man,it was like she's.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, amazing writer.
It was that voice man.
It was like she's yeah, amazingwriter.
It was that machine man.
It was that machine you thinkabout.
On a different episode you weretalking about the little drummer
boy and when you hear that andit reminds you of your dog,
right?
Yeah, imagine when she wasputting all this stuff into her
music and it's about this manwho is either in jail or
whatever the fuck, but it wasreally painful for her to where
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the point where you know there'ssongs that I don't want to ever
hear again and I loved them atone point because you know they
were what I was into when youknow what I mean reminds me of
being with Comet.
You know the dog, you know whatI mean, or something like that,
where it's just you don't wantto listen to them and to try and
force this.
This girl who was no matterwhat she may be may have been
ultra talented, but these arestill young people with young
(28:44):
people minds, you know I meanthe three of us were old and
bitter and been through enoughshit to where we're not you know
what I mean where maybe it'snot going to make us break in
the same way, but they're, youknow, trying to force her
through this night after nightafter night after night, and
have a like a smile on her faceabout it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
you know what I mean you know a lot of people.
They want the fame, but theydon't want what comes with the
fame.
Right, money, luxury, fine, butthe peer pressures of being at
this tv studio for an interview,this radio show for an
interview, this radio show foran interview, the lack of sleep,
the hard partying, the peoplethat you surround yourself with
(29:21):
because because her boyfriendgot her really hooked on the
drugs and I miss a lot of peopleput the call of help in their
music, like her.
They tried to make me go torehab but she said no, no, no.
You know, it's stuff like thatand, by the way, you can watch
Amy Winehouse's movie on Prime,which is really good.
It's a biopic.
(29:42):
People like this, it's whatwould they?
They could not live like.
If Elvis was still living today, he could not live up to the
legacy that he is known for now.
So Hendrix, he couldn't live upto.
He's a myth.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, he's definitely one, though that I cannot.
It's like you know, you can'thear.
It's similar to like Eddie VanHalen.
It's like I have not heardanybody top him yet.
You know, and I would alwaysfeel like the guitar players of
his era and I'd said this to afriend of mine before that I
feel like the.
They were all such like bluesoriented players like Eric
(30:19):
Clapton and Jeff Beck and thoseguys.
So to me it felt like they wereall getting good, if this makes
sense, like they were allgetting good at algebra, where
Jimmy came along and he wasdoing geometry.
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
He was on such a whole different level of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's like, yeah, they're top-notch in this style,
in this vein, or whatever, butwhat he was doing was on some
other, you know other level thatI don't, I don't see has been
if you hear the interviews withjimmy hendrix sister, she says
that he couldn't really play alick but being sober, but once,
and she said that they would,they would like, they would look
at the arms and all that to seetrack marks.
(30:55):
But he did it behind the eyewith oh wow, I can't see anybody
sticking a needle behind theireye.
Man, the chase a high, it'slike.
How could people like come upwith some crazy theories?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I'm sorry, like when he was also acid in the headband
, right, you know, and I meanyeah, you know so many, yeah so
that's why you can't you can'treally make fun of uh musicians
on drugs and stuff, because someof the best music in history
when musicians are on drugsright.
Look at all at Alice in Chains'Dirt album Damn, they were all
on drugs and it's one of thegreatest albums ever.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Oh well, yeah, one of the greatest albums ever.
Like Tony and Messi, that's all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I have, though you know there's a lot of
conspiracies and everything butme.
I lean towards the human side.
They were real people, notmyths.
The losses hit hard becausetheir art meant so much to us.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, if there wasn't a human side to them, we
wouldn't connect with them inany way.
No one would connect with themin any way, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Right.
You know, they shape musicaround the world, or their art,
or they made you laugh andthey're still affecting us to
this day.
Whether it's 70 years later, 20years later, 15 years later, we
still hear that and we mighteven listen to a song and be
like first time I heard that Iwas dancing with so-and-so, so
(32:11):
like.
Their music means a lot For thelisteners out there.
What do you think?
Is the 27 Club?
A cursed legacy or just a sadroll of the dice?
Hit us up in the comments andkeep this conversation rocking.
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On this episode of the Powerspoint Podcast, we sit
down and talk about a club, Aclub that is shrouded in mystery
, studied by scientists anddebated on by everyone.
We're talking about none otherthan the 27 Club.
Hey Scott, give us that clubbeat.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, hello, hello, welcome to the Powers Point
Podcast.
I'm Scott Powers, and with meis Jim Banks, hello, and, as
always with us, keith Mackeyfrom Toledo.
Hello, you know, it feels goodto have the crew back, guys.
I'm not going to lie.
If you just tune in wonderingwhat we are about, well, hello,
(01:08):
you know it feels good to havethe crew back, guys, I'm not
going to lie.
If you're just tuning in andwondering what we are about,
well, the only thing I can sayis we talk about anything and
everything, with the exceptionof two things.
We don't talk religion.
We don't talk politics.
We like to keep thingslighthearted and have a laugh or
two, but no more than three.
That's my limit.
That's in our contract, guys.
That's my limit.
That's in our contract, guys.
(01:29):
No more than three.
So let's, uh, let's just dogood.
And I didn't sign a contract,oh, shoot.
So so you're, you're not liablefor it.
Oh, my god, can't be held.
Today, as jim said, we arediving into a mystery that's
haunted music fans, conspiracytheorists and pop culture
junkies for decades the 27 27Club.
You guys probably heard of it,those legendary artists who all
left us at tragically young ageof 27.
(01:50):
But what's the deal.
Is it a curse, a coincidence ora statistical fluke?
Make sure you grab yourheadphones, folks, because we
are about to break it down.
This one.
It hit me the other day as Iwas driving.
I'm like man, it's just.
This is a good subject for usto talk about.
It's weird, it's differentpeople, a lot of conspiracy
(02:12):
theorists hit it and also it hasnot only the age, but a little
object known as a white lighter.
I don't know if you guys haveseen that in their research.
I guess by all the bodies whenthese people pass, there's
always a white lighter, like abig lighter, grows by them.
(02:36):
So I'm like, well, I'm notbuying no lighter, no more, no
white lighters.
Definitely looking forward tothis conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And there was a lot of new information on a few of
these that just like kind ofcame out too.
So this, this the timing isgood.
For that reason also, I believe.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know like we always try to think of like
different subjects that willgrab people and get their
attention.
I believe this one will getthem.
But before we do all that, it'sbeen a couple weeks since all
three of us have been heretogether, so what have you guys
been up to?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Myself, I keep watching the same documentary on
a band called Killing Joke Jim.
Are you familiar with them?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Killing Joke.
I've heard of them.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
They're from late 70s , 80s and they're still.
I believe they're still well.
I don't think they're stillgoing today because one of the
members passed away but hewasn't 27.
Uh, let me see the.
But the documentary is calledthe death and resurrection show
and it's on tubi and I just beenwatching the shit out of that
thing, like I like I don't know,I just when I like something
and I can actually engage in it,like I watch the shit out of it
(03:42):
, oh okay, and that's what I'vebeen doing lately.
So, and I actually feel nowthat I'm familiar, you know way
more.
I say I've always, like uh,been vaguely familiar with them,
but not recently am I likereally, really into them and uh,
kind of feel like their singeris very precursor to uh, kurt
(04:02):
cobain okay I guess should wejust kind of start with him yeah
, after the commercial, we'regonna just like deep dive into
this okay, and we didn't.
And I'm telling you what I'mdoing jim didn't?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
you guys didn't say what you're oh I was uh
basically not to get into it toomuch, but I had a family member
going to the uh had to go tochicago university of chicago
and uh hospital procedure andback and forth and back and
forth and taking the son toschool and dealing with our dog
and it's like it's just aheadache and you guys some of
(04:34):
you guys know how to.
That you've been dealing withtoo in the past.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Did you catch Jimmy's cold at all?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No no.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Thank goodness he had a.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I forgot that's a twin.
Yeah, he had a.
I forgot that's him.
Yes, he had a cold.
Uh, he just had a cold rightwhen this all started and trying
to keep him away from everybodyand you know the dog, and oh,
it's just a mess.
Well, they say also the weather.
I mean today it was what 75 orsomething here yeah yeah, and
the wind.
And the wind was just blowinglike 40 miles an hour.
I'm like what's going on aroundhere?
(05:04):
It was 30 like yesterday orsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And it feels like you're standing in a hairdryer
with the wind and you're justlike you can't even feel good.
The humidity was up.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's supposed to rain and drop tomorrow and the next
day, or something.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, of course it's the weekend, of course it's
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Hey, you remember when, uh, andrew dice clay used
to say, we used to say peoplehad the wind tunnel tested
hairdo, yeah, everything, that'swhen they, when the wind's
blowing and you know the hair'sjust going to shit.
Oh so, all in all, man,everything else, okay, jim in
the house.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah pretty much jump .
I've been uh, had this time off.
I've been uh, cleaning mybasement with all my garbage and
just I'm deciding I can't anylonger just do it.
I'm just starting makinggarbage bags and just throwing
stuff away.
And it's just finding a wholebunch of like home videos and
like, uh, like the old reel toreels.
There's a place online that hasuh like family history stuff, I
(05:59):
find, and they, they'll takeyour film I don't know if it's
in Utah or something, the one ofthe best ones in the world and
uh, or in the America, and theytake your film like that You're
reel to reel, they'll fix it andthen they'll digitize it any
way you want and they can takeeach frame of the film and make
(06:19):
stills of that and they, theyfix everything up and send the
original back to you and youknow, whatever drive you have or
dvds or stuff of all yourthings, and you know, I, I
looked into this because when mymother-in-law died, she she had
some reels and it's veryexpensive.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But if you, if you go to amazon, you could buy that
yeah film converter for like 66bucks and I was like really,
yeah, you know.
But, like my wife said, howmany times we're gonna really
use that once you convert things, you know and, yeah, well, then
we can convert other people'sstuff, you know, sell to them
absolutely.
You know, because, like, at theone place I was looking, man,
(06:59):
it was like 180 for a nine inchreel and I'm like for what you
know, like, and they can't evenguarantee you, you know, if the
film breaks or whatever causebeing old and Jim being that,
that's film you know, that's old, so it's it's?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
it's like when I was born in the seventies and all
the seventies, christmases andstuff, and that's right, right
and uh, that's right, right andand that's frail, yeah, and I
got my grandparents ones thatwere from the forties and
fifties, when my mom was like akid and that and I'm like, oh, I
gotta get, I gotta get aprofessional.
I don't want to mess these up.
It'll like, like you said,crumble in my fingers and I'll
cry or something.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Right, right, and then the whole family looks at
you like you ruined the wholething.
You know, the only thing I'vebeen doing, man, it's work,
sleep, nursing home, work, sleepin hospital, work, sleep,
nursing home, and it's like theonly good thing is is I save
money by doing that, you know,because I'm not going anywhere.
But now my pops, like I said,he's in this, they call it a
resort and it got Starbucks andeverything in it.
I seen these double baconcheeseburgers for like $10, with
(08:10):
real homemade cut fries and allthat and it's like $10.
And I'm like, oh man, this islike the wrong thing for me to
see, because I love eating out,you know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It makes you think when our generation x hits that
old folks home, you know time,yeah.
And then when we're the oldones, it'll be like they'll have
arcades and nintendos and segasand all the old stuff that we
used to play with and stuff yeah, great, how straight would that
be, man's every arcade, we'llbe out of our mind having like
slushies or something andplaying old nintendo.
(08:45):
Like just sitting there, likenot knowing what we're doing,
just playing that would be.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That would be awesome really, but that's all I've
been doing, man, so I'm reallyinterested in like jumping in on
this in this topic.
So we're going to take a quickcommercial break and when we
return we're going to dive deepin the club 27.
So stay tuned, we'll be backafter these messages, if you
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
As we said before the commercial, we're going to dive
into the 27 Club.
Here's the basics.
Okay, the 27 Club isn't anactual club with membership
cards or secret handshakes eventhough that would be pretty cool
.
It's the name given to theeerie pattern of iconic
musicians dying at the age of 27, often at the peak of their
(09:54):
fame.
You know we're talking aboutall kinds of legends like
Hendrix and Joplin and others,and the names alone aren't
enough to make you sit up and gowait.
What's going on here?
There's like so much stuff,that is, are people cursed?
Are they?
I have issues?
You know like some are suicides, some are like wrecks.
(10:17):
You know, like why are thesepeople dropping dead at 27 and
every age, like in comedy andeverything?
They have like a 32 club.
You know, and I never knew thatuntil I was researching this,
what do you guys got man on this?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
the secret club one of the first ones that was in
this uh club was robert johnson.
He was, uh, he's been calledthe master of the blues.
He grew up in in theMississippi Delta area back in
the early thirties or twentiesand thirties and little is known
about his life because he theydidn't keep records and stuff
and it was the, of course, thetime of uh, you know, bad part
(10:56):
of American history and that foruh African-Americans.
And the basics is it was saidthat he sold his soul to the
devil at the local crossroads inreturn for a music success,
musical success and basically helike started playing the guitar
and stuff but wasn't reallygood and he was average.
And then he went away for ayear and nobody know where he
(11:18):
went.
And he came back and all of asudden he just made these songs
were like unheard of andeverybody's like what the heck
happened and stuff.
And somehow they said that hesold his hold of the devil to be
able to play that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And what he came back with.
He played better than what mostpeople at the time, but there's
still, to this day, musiciansyou know like that are wondering
how he did that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
In a year?
Yeah, Like a couple of monthsor a year.
How did he get to that level?
There's no way.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
If you listen, like you said, man, he was just a
normal guy playing the guitarman, and it wasn't no big deal,
it wasn't something that youwere going to run home and be
like hey, you got to listen toRobert.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
When he came back, things happened man and that's
where the myth came in at thecrossroads, and he only had two
recording sessions recorded andonly 29 songs.
Some of them have like twotakes and stuff, but only 29
songs.
And rock legends like RobertPlant, bob Dylan, keith Richards
(12:20):
they all said he influencedtheir work and Clapton said that
he was the most important bluessinger to ever live.
There was a documentary onNetflix called Devil at the
Crossroad.
Yeah, that's a good one andit's just a quick, under an hour
or something, but it reallygives the basics of everything
and that even in his death, itwas mysterious because they
(12:41):
didn't tell the public that hedied, because they were just
using his music and stuff.
And when someone finally foundhis death certificate, it said
unknown causes which back thenthey weren't going to check
Right, right, especially in thepoor South.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh yeah, which is where he is from.
Just throw him in a hole.
We'll call it a date.
Yeah, only a date and alocation.
That's it.
And I think only recently inthe last decade did they finally
put a headstone on, and it waswhat he died in, like the late
30s.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
August 16th 1938.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and the dude just got a headstone.
That shows how much importancethey put on African Americans in
the South.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And there was actually like three locations.
People swear that his body'sthere but it could have been
like an unmarked grave thatthey're guessing that it's this
one grave.
But he was, I guess.
He sang like Sweet Home,chicago.
He made that song crossroadblues me and the devil blues
hellhound on my trail.
Some of the songs are likedevil and hellhound.
(13:46):
It's like god.
Was he actually telling it you?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
know, or was he telling it to hype it up?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
yeah, like thinking he had more time.
But they also said he was likea womanizer and uh, and he would
have like he got cocky when hecame back and stuff, and that's
what might have did him in right, where the actual devil just
took him.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I don't know again that that could be on our
conspiracy theory.
Uh, myth show too, man, becausethere's so much behind that guy
.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm sure the devil went down to georgia was, uh,
probably taken or used by whencharlie daniels made it probably
about him a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's crazy man what else?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
got keith, you got any?
Uh, he's.
I feel like robert johnson'sdefinitely a good place to start
, um, especially considering, uh, like you're saying, robert
planton definitely, uh, jimmypage would have been influenced
by him.
And, uh, if you heard lastweek's episode, I love Jimmy
Page.
Let's just make that clear.
Whatever I said about you know,I mean what I said.
I was being, uh, whatever.
I love Jimmy Page, let's saythat.
(14:47):
But he's also, coincidentally,in the Killing Joke documentary
and, as I was saying, I feellike, um, the the raspy voice
sound is very similar to the wayKurt Cobain sang, and Kurt was
obviously another one that wastaken away at 27.
Now, recently there's been awitness.
I don't know if you guys haveseen this at all.
(15:08):
There's a guy saying that hewas there the night that he was
murdered, that it was two guys,one dude named Dylan Carlson and
the other guy, I can't remember, said that Kurt had come home
and was trying to throw thoseguys out of his house because he
was trying to leave the country.
He was leaving Nirvana to go dowhatever it was, you know, I
(15:30):
mean he was going to do and hissuicide note was actually sent
to another person, because thatwas him saying that he was
leaving Nirvana and it's beensince then proven by handwriting
apps experts that, uh, thebottom of his suicide note was
not written by him.
And they found two people.
Yeah, they found practice pageswhere Courtney love had been
(15:52):
practicing his handwriting.
Yeah, I mean, and there's what?
There's a lot of shit tiedinvolved in that and you always
got to, you know, you got to say, well, who prospers the most?
But in this case there's peopleactually saying it was her and
supposedly, again, allegedly,she has been in some kind of
like drunken stupor and admitted.
Yeah, they say one or twopeople said that she's actually
(16:12):
gone.
You know not on record, that youknow not on record.
That was I was about to say onrecord, that was not what she
did, but she's like let it slipand admitted that you know.
And so there there's I can'tremember what the girl's name is
, but in her and another coupleof people.
They're really trying hard toget the case reopened and I
think there was just some kindof switch in the Seattle Police
Department where they'reactually looking at seriously
(16:35):
reopening the case and lookingat all the flawed ways that it
was handled and the way he wasruled a suicide.
Basically the same day theyfound him dead and he was
cremated within like a couple ofdays.
And there's a lot of you know,there's a lot of conspiracy to
that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I want to say that when they cremated him they
did it publicly, like like theold Viking days, and they, they,
they burned him right in themiddle of the the town.
They had a bed.
Yeah, I'm almost.
I don't know if I dreamt that,but I remember when it went down
back when it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I remember them showing like police sketches or
or like how the shotgun thatshot him and they said that, oh,
he shot himself and I'm likehis arms couldn't reach right,
pull the trigger, that had to be, and I always thought she had
something to do with it.
And they said that, oh, he shothimself and I'm like his arms
couldn't reach Right.
He pulled a trigger, that hadto be, and I always thought she
had something to do with it.
Yeah, and then, if you look onthis list, this very list right
after Kurt Cobain, a coupleweeks later, or a month or two
(17:29):
later, it's Kristen Pfaff.
Kristen Pfaff, yeah, he's thebasis for the band Hole.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Alleg.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He's the basis for the, the band uh whole that
court allegedly who kurt cobainwas going to europe with.
I'm like what is the famoussaying is there's no such thing
as a coincidence, right, sheties with courtney love and kurt
ties with courtney love andthey both get mysteriously.
She drug overdose and hercobain killed himself.
No, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm sorry, that's something even with my eyes I
could see that you know, likethe amount of the amount of
copycat suicides that havehappened since then man, and
that's just the tragedy.
Now, you know, I mean it's atragedy on its own, but the fact
that it was, I don't know.
That's just so.
And I'll be honest, even thoughhe wasn't, you know, wasn't 27,
(18:14):
he lived to be an older age.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But I firmly believe that I don't think chris cornell
committed suicide either.
Yeah, I heard there was somestuff on that too, that he was
say something and then they gotrid of him before he right.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And then they're saying that kid from uh lincoln
park did it a week later to copyhim.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's like I don't buy that either because that dude
went to chris cornell's funeral,right?
Wasn't he the lead singer, limpBizkit, linkin Park?
Oh, yeah, linkin Park, yeah,and I think it's on a record
that you know.
He said he wouldn't go out likethat and didn't want to put his
people through that, and thenthat's how he went out he
(18:50):
actually did a brief stint asthe lead singer for Stone Sample
Pilots.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I don't know if you ever heard that, but that is.
They did a four-song ep.
I think it's called high rise,but uh, that's some rocking.
That's really rocking likethat's good stuff.
If your fans of either band orboth bands you know, I mean that
would definitely be somethingfor the years.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Right on man, right on the.
Okay, back on this list I hadone, uh, rudy lewis.
He was in the, the lead singerfor the band the drifters, and
he's, uh, he sang, uh mostpopular songs by them was, uh,
please stay some kind ofwonderful up on the roof and on
broadway.
And the craziest part was hewas 27 and on the night before
(19:32):
or they were going to recordunder the boardwalk which was
written for him and he was wasfound dead in his Harlem hotel
room and died the previous nightbefore they recorded it.
I mean that's crazy, dude.
And the autopsy said it was aprobable drug overdose.
Which probable, like we said?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
who knows when did they?
When was probable andacceptable?
Uh, you know somebody.
It's like when people sayaccidental overdose and you're
messing.
When was probable andacceptable?
You know version to givesomebody.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's like when people say accidental overdose, yeah,
and you're messing with thatstuff, right?
You're always taking a chance.
It's not an accident that youstuck yourself with heroin,
right?
It's a problem every time.
It's not an accident that youjust did an eight-ball Coke, you
know, and drink a whole bottleof JD.
You know that's not accidentalto me, man Right.
(20:18):
An accident was like trip,because you stubbed your toe on
the table and when you're layingon the ground the bag of Coke
fell out and went in your throatand you OD'd that way.
That's accidental to me, man.
Or somebody was playing dartswith a syringe and threw a
heroin needle and it justhappened to catch you in the
vein.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And a lot of these uh 27 club.
What really started making itgo crazy was around like what,
60, 1969 and 1970 there was acouple weeks or months separated
there a lot of the big, bignames on this were dying and all
uh 27 and people were freakingout and stuff.
Who was the?
Was it like uh, brian jones, Ithink brian j, who was the?
(20:57):
Or was it like Brian Jones?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think Brian Jones was the first.
Yeah, and the Rolling Stones,yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And then it said I don't know if it was Jimi
Hendrix or Janis Joplin, wasthat yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, he drowned it.
And then um a couple other, uh,a German singer and a lead
singer for drug overdose I don'tknow that, alan wilson.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
but then all of a sudden, jimmy hendrix died and
then joplin died exactly onemonth to the day right behind
him, and that was his the jimmyhendrix could have been avoided.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, from the way that, at least that I've heard
the story that it could.
You know that the women he waswith like took like 20 minutes
or so to try, and, you know, puteverything away before they
call any.
You know I mean, but that'sagain, that's, that's folklore.
We don't know, because I'vealso seen other people saying
like I know that was somebodyfed him a hot package, you know,
because they wanted him out.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So you never know oh, stuff back then was always uh,
you didn't know what they weredoing.
They were doing such crazydrugs, right, yeah?
Then janice joplin passed adrug overdose right after him,
and then a couple others, or oneother singer from uh who is it?
Arlist or christian?
Uh dyke and the blazersfrontman vocalist.
(22:11):
But then all of a sudden jimmyhendrix died, or jim morrison
died I'm sorry, jim, heartfailure have you seen any of the
, the recent, like what they'resaying?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
there's new stuff come out about that now.
No, they're saying thatMorrison actually OD'd at a club
, that he was using heroin inFrance and he left to get away
from shit but it was his lady,you know, was into it so much
and whatever that she got himback into it, whatever that she
(22:42):
got him back into it, and thathe had actually died in the
bathroom of a club.
And that there's people thatthat say that they saw uh, two
dudes like walking him out, like, yeah, arm and arm, like
walking him out, and that theyput him in the bathtub.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
and all that afterwards because I don't know,
I don't know why, maybe withthe, the water and then there's
a a whole thing with that too,that they cremated him before
anybody can, even even a doctor.
You know only two people seenthis dude dead pam, and whoever
cremated him.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
and then, a couple years after morrison passed,
then she passes from uh, analleged drug overdose too, and
she was the heir to his estate,but they weren't they estate,
but they weren't.
They were together but theyweren't like legally name change
married.
Right, her name wasn't Morrison.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right.
Well, supposedly the other ladywas legally married to him,
Patricia Keneally.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, the lady who's the the the, like the witch who
claims that she's a witch.
Yeah, good one to marry bud.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But eh, you know, he says it seemed like a good idea
at the time.
Let's talk about something elsehere, man.
It may not be just acoincidence, but a lot of people
think that it could besomething cosmic at play.
Some folks point to numerology27's got that mystical vibe
being three cubed and three is abig deal in spirituality.
Others say it's the live fast,die young lifestyle, drugs,
booze and the pressures of famehitting the breaking point.
(24:05):
There's even the as I mentionedearlier, the white lighter
curse.
That's the old superstitionabout white lighters being bad
luck, supposedly found nearalmost all these people that
died.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's really crazy.
I never heard that one.
Yeah, I never heard that oneeither, you know.
And then these people are dyingat the height of their fame,
(24:28):
and I think people are onlynoticing it because the people
that are dying are famous.
If it was you or me, orwhatever Girls go every day yeah
.
Yeah, you know, that list wouldbe in the millions.
People only notice this becauseof fame, which is sad, because
everybody deserves recognition,you know, and a lot of people
(24:48):
die naturally cancer or whatever.
We're not all old dn and.
But then there are some peoplethat died, like reba.
Mcintyre's band was in a planecrash.
They they were headed toIndiana in 1991.
She had two 27-year-old bandmembers and the plane hit the
mountain and killed them.
You know good, they're headingto Indiana, but almost the whole
(25:10):
band died, but there was two27-year-olds on there.
So of those people that died Ithink there was eight People.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Only see them two that are 27 years old and they
even did scientific studies onall these deaths and stuff the
whole club list and they didn'tfind anything really that sticks
out besides the, the basicfacts of fame may increase the
risk of death among musiciansbecause of their young age and
(25:38):
getting all the celebrity andjust not caring and stuff Right.
A lot of those just accidents.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Conspiracy theorists.
They believe in the curse.
So we have drugs, alcohols,accidents, cosmic curses.
Let's get real.
Scientists and statistics havepoked at this and they're not
buying the curse angle.
They say it's a mix ofconfirmation bias.
Again, we only know to thembecause of their fame.
It still gives you a little bitof a chill, even though we may
(26:10):
not believe that.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We're still like oh, and they're, they're even
attaching, like you said,they're attaching like actors
and actresses or sports peopleto this list just to try to keep
it going.
You know, yeah, with allconspiracy, and you're like, no,
you're kind of it was justmusicians, but you're adding
this stuff now, right, and yougot to figure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
There's so many celebrities, there has to be
several other ages that there'sjust like way more amount of oh
yeah, people who died at thatage.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You know what I mean when everybody says hendrix and
morrison andoplin, that's wheneverybody starts, you know, oh,
that's the number, it's like no,and I think it really picked up
when those top-named peoplethat you just mentioned all died
.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Boom, boom, boom, like back to back to back, you
know.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Before the internet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and Hendrix and Joplin.
They were dating and then allof a sudden she dies one month
after he did.
I don't know, maybe it's theheroin behind the eyeball, the
shooting up heroin from Hendrix.
That don't have nothing to dowith it.
They were all heavy into thedrug ads.
I don't know, man.
I don't know what to believe inthis thing.
Man.
(27:15):
Is it just the sad roll of dicein their life that they've got?
And I don't know.
I didn't think I'd make it past32, and here I am 52, and
wondering why, how have I madeit this far when a lot of like
younger people are gone?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well you just don't question it, man, just keep
going.
That's all you can do, rightyeah?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
So you guys got any more names or who you want to
throw out there.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Those are pretty much the big ones, I think.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I mean there's Amy Winehouse, but didn't.
I thought that was you wantedto speak on her right, here we
go.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And she died from alcohol poisoning and if you
notice her, in the last coupleof days she was slurring her
words, forgetting her the lyricsof the songs.
She had an awesome voice, man,it was like she's.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, amazing writer.
It was that voice man.
It was like she's yeah, amazingwriter.
It was that machine man.
It was that machine you thinkabout.
On a different episode you weretalking about the little drummer
boy and when you hear that andit reminds you of your dog,
right?
Yeah, imagine when she wasputting all this stuff into her
music and it's about this manwho is either in jail or
whatever the fuck, but it wasreally painful for her to where
(28:23):
the point where you know there'ssongs that I don't want to ever
hear again and I loved them atone point because you know they
were what I was into when youknow what I mean reminds me of
being with Comet.
You know the dog, you know whatI mean, or something like that,
where it's just you don't wantto listen to them and to try and
force this.
This girl who was no matterwhat she may be may have been
ultra talented, but these arestill young people with young
(28:44):
people minds, you know I meanthe three of us were old and
bitter and been through enoughshit to where we're not you know
what I mean where maybe it'snot going to make us break in
the same way, but they're, youknow, trying to force her
through this night after nightafter night after night, and
have a like a smile on her faceabout it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
you know what I mean you know a lot of people.
They want the fame, but theydon't want what comes with the
fame.
Right, money, luxury, fine, butthe peer pressures of being at
this tv studio for an interview,this radio show for an
interview, this radio show foran interview, the lack of sleep,
the hard partying, the peoplethat you surround yourself with
(29:21):
because because her boyfriendgot her really hooked on the
drugs and I miss a lot of peopleput the call of help in their
music, like her.
They tried to make me go torehab but she said no, no, no.
You know, it's stuff like thatand, by the way, you can watch
Amy Winehouse's movie on Prime,which is really good.
It's a biopic.
(29:42):
People like this, it's whatwould they?
They could not live like.
If Elvis was still living today, he could not live up to the
legacy that he is known for now.
So Hendrix, he couldn't live upto.
He's a myth.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, he's definitely one, though that I cannot.
It's like you know, you can'thear.
It's similar to like Eddie VanHalen.
It's like I have not heardanybody top him yet.
You know, and I would alwaysfeel like the guitar players of
his era and I'd said this to afriend of mine before that I
feel like the.
They were all such like bluesoriented players like Eric
(30:19):
Clapton and Jeff Beck and thoseguys.
So to me it felt like they wereall getting good, if this makes
sense, like they were allgetting good at algebra, where
Jimmy came along and he wasdoing geometry.
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
He was on such a whole different level of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's like, yeah, they're top-notch in this style,
in this vein, or whatever, butwhat he was doing was on some
other, you know other level thatI don't, I don't see has been
if you hear the interviews withjimmy hendrix sister, she says
that he couldn't really play alick but being sober, but once,
and she said that they would,they would like, they would look
at the arms and all that to seetrack marks.
(30:55):
But he did it behind the eyewith oh wow, I can't see anybody
sticking a needle behind theireye.
Man, the chase a high, it'slike.
How could people like come upwith some crazy theories?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I'm sorry, like when he was also acid in the headband
, right, you know, and I meanyeah, you know so many, yeah so
that's why you can't you can'treally make fun of uh musicians
on drugs and stuff, because someof the best music in history
when musicians are on drugsright.
Look at all at Alice in Chains'Dirt album Damn, they were all
on drugs and it's one of thegreatest albums ever.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Oh well, yeah, one of the greatest albums ever.
Like Tony and Messi, that's all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I have, though you know there's a lot of
conspiracies and everything butme.
I lean towards the human side.
They were real people, notmyths.
The losses hit hard becausetheir art meant so much to us.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, if there wasn't a human side to them, we
wouldn't connect with them inany way.
No one would connect with themin any way, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Right.
You know, they shape musicaround the world, or their art,
or they made you laugh andthey're still affecting us to
this day.
Whether it's 70 years later, 20years later, 15 years later, we
still hear that and we mighteven listen to a song and be
like first time I heard that Iwas dancing with so-and-so, so
(32:11):
like.
Their music means a lot For thelisteners out there.
What do you think?
Is the 27 Club?
A cursed legacy or just a sadroll of the dice?
Hit us up in the comments andkeep this conversation rocking.
I'm looking forward to this andwe are going to have another
great show.
If you want to call it great, Ifelt this is great.
(32:32):
We're going to have anothergreat show coming up and a
beautiful show, a great show.
I don't know why I'm startingto do that.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You better help.
When I walked in here, this isa great show.
Don't know why I'm starting todo that.
People help when I walked inhere.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is a great show, so you're doing people are
going to dislike me, man, foreven sounding like that, but
we're uh, we're working hardbehind the scenes to bring the
best entertainment that we canto your ears and for those if
they don't like it, then theycan suggest what we can talk
about.
Right, you can go topowerspointpodcast at yahoocom.
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In the subject line just putshow idea.
You know a lot of people areafraid to talk about different
subjects.
We're not, as long as it's notpolitics or religion, because we
don't do that here.
And if we can kind of work ourway around that subject in a way
, then maybe we don't talk aboutthese two subjects because no
one can agree on it no one.
(33:26):
And it causes a lot of warsfrom centuries and thousands of
years ago.
This always started wars andwe're not trying to start a war
here.
We're all about bringingquality entertainment, something
different, to you guys.
You know we're not scripted, wejust want to be different.
So for those tuning in again,we appreciate you making it this
(33:48):
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You can find me on Instagram atpowers31911.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You can find me on TikTok now.
Right, it's keithmackie08,.
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Speaker 2 (34:03):
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Speaker 3 (34:05):
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, that's it.
And you're going to startseeing little commercials there
that Keith's making, and thenewest one sounds very
pornographic and it sounds cool.
It's going to eargasm.
The newest one sounds verypornographic and it sounds cool
it's going to eargasm.
Jim, before we leave, man, yes,you know, even though you
(34:32):
weren't with us in the show lastweek, we still did a good quote
.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I beg you to come back at the end.
So listen for it.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Keith got done with me real fast, man.
What do you got this week forus?
This week's quote is.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
life is too short, live it to the fullest.
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Couldn't be more, true, man.
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