February 22, 2021 • 37 mins
Are you trying to figure out the secret to feeling beautiful, vital and calm, while finding your inner peace? Well this episode of The Pro-Aging Podcast is for you!
On this episode, I get to talk about one of my favorite topics: Transcendental Meditation. Not only do I get to speak about the topic, I get to interview one of the OG’S in the TM space, Mr. Bob Roth.
Bob Roth is one of the most experienced and sought-after meditation leaders in America. Over the past 45 years, Bob has taught Transcendental Meditation to many thousands of people As CEO of the David Lynch Foundation, Bob has helped bring Transcendental Meditation to more than one million students in underserved schools in 35 countries, to military veterans and their families who suffer from post-traumatic stress, and to women and children who are survivors of domestic violence.
We speak about what the David Lynch Foundation is doing during COVID times for everyone in need and what TM really is about. You have heard about this in my book, “The Pro-Aging Playbook,” and Bob has always been such a big part of my life when I started doing Transcendental Meditation 8 years ago.
I really want to use this information to help people become the best versions of themselves! Enjoy!
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For more from me on pro-aging, check out my book, The Pro-Aging Playbook.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello friends.
I'm Dr.
Paul, Jerry Frank cosmeticdermatologist author, and
wellness enthusiast.
And you're listening to the proaging podcasts together.
We discuss how to find the bestversion of ourselves.
Talking to my network of expertsfrom all disciplines we learned
to become active participants inmaking the most of how we look
(00:26):
and feel, getting us to join thejourney and enjoy the ride
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Are friends episode number six.
And today we are talking aboutone of my most favorite topics,
transcendental meditation.
And I literally have one of thegurus of transcendental
meditation, who I have beenfollowing for a very long time.
Um, Mr.
Bob Roth, now he is not only ateacher.
(00:53):
He's a well renowned author andhe is the CEO of the David Lynch
foundation, which we talk aboutthroughout the podcast.
What the David Lynch foundationdoes outreaches to veterans in
schools and people in need, andbasically everyone that's in
need.
And what transcendental reallyis about, you've heard about
this in my book, the pro agingplaybook, and it has always been
(01:15):
such a big part of my life whenI first learned how to do it a
years ago.
And I've tried so much both inmy practice, in my office, in my
book, on my podcast to use thisinformation, to really help
people become a better versionof themselves and live the pro
aging lifestyle.
That's exactly what Bob broughtdoes.
Not only does he do it forhimself for the last 50 years,
but he does it to enhance otherpeople's lives.
(01:37):
And that's why he's such aninspirational guy.
So you're going to hear a lotabout Bob Roth and
transcendental meditation.
And most importantly, how youall can incorporate it into your
life, get ready.
Well, hello friends, you know,today, I got a secret for you.
Are you trying to figure out asecret to feeling beautiful?
(01:58):
How about vitality?
Do we all want to have vitality?
How about inner peace, calm andjust being the best version of
ourselves?
Well, if you've read the ProGeneplaybook or you know me, or
you've listened to me before,you may know what this is, but
the secret transcendentalmeditation.
(02:18):
Now, most of you know what thisis, but it is mine like several
million people around the world.
It is a practice that we do forourselves twice a day, 20
minutes a day, very simply.
And if you know me, it is partof my secret sauce.
It changed my life eight yearsago for the better.
(02:39):
And it comes from within, it'snot a fancy diet.
It's not in a needle that Iinject into people's faces.
Uh, it's not an exerciseroutine.
It is something that is simplytaught consistently around the
world and is accessible toeverybody.
And the best surprise of todayis who have with me to talk
(03:00):
about that journey, Mr.
Bob Roth, he is one of the mostfamiliar names with the
transcendental meditationmovement.
He is the OJI.
He is the grand Poobah, and hehas several titles to his name.
First and foremost, he is ateacher.
He has taught tens of thousandsof people, transcendental
(03:22):
meditation.
He is a bestselling author.
He is also CEO of the DavidLynch foundation, who has taught
me and has taught up to millionsof people around the world.
People who are seeking it andpeople who are in need of
transcendental meditation.
And he's just one of those guysthat spends his days changing
(03:44):
people's lives and making themthe best version of themselves.
And I couldn't think of a betterperson to be have on the pro
aging podcast that someone justlike this.
So, Bob, I hope that was a goodintroduction for you.
Thank you so much for, for beingon my podcast really well.
It's wonderful to be on yourshow
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And I admire the work that you do, and I'm grateful
for the opportunity to
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Talk with the people who trust you.
Now.
I'm really hoping you're apopular guy.
I hope we get as many listens asyou and Katy Perry.
You know what I mean?
I know they all came for you.
Okay.
At least three or four.
Yeah.
So, you know, I know most of thepeople might not know me, my
patients, my listeners, topeople who have read my book,
(04:31):
they've heard about my journey,you know, which started eight
years ago.
And just one of those typicalpeople who were very fortunate,
their whole lives that I justfelt like I had so much, but I
lived with such frustration.
And, uh, as a birthday gift tomy wife, not only did I give her
the gift of getting trained, thegift was that I would do it with
(04:53):
her.
And as a Western physician, Iwas one of those guys who was
like, yeah, transcendentalmeditation.
It's like spiritual LIDAR, blah,blah, blah.
I really knew very little aboutit, but I did the most important
thing we could all do in life,which is keep an open mind.
And ever since those eight yearshave passed, it's transformed me
into a, you know, what I thinkis pretty great guy.
(05:14):
And most importantly filled withjoy.
Um, I know a question I have foryou, which I'm sure so many
people ask you is what broughtyou to it.
How, when, why, tell me yourstory.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm happy to, but I have to get that.
Is your wife happy
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That you learned, Oh my God, she's about your wife.
She's still married to me.
That's the most important thing.
Um, yeah, she is.
I mean, we do it together.
We do it with you, uh, on yourphone calls.
We do it separately.
And, um, yeah, no, it's reallychanged our lives.
We've got our children doing it.
They're not as good.
(05:50):
Sometimes they roll their eyes,but they're always better off
when they do it with us.
I have a, um, a 15 year old sonand a 12 year old girl.
And you know, it's now part ofour lives like brushing our
teeth and exercising andwatching what we eat and going
to work every day.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I think, you know, with the work that you're
doing on pro aging and just yourbook and everything, and now
with TM, I think you're ahead ofthe curve.
And I'm going to answer yourquestion in just a second, but I
think that your experience todaywithin three or four years is
going to be common because Ithink transcendental meditation
is going to be understood andincorporated, uh, by more and
(06:27):
more people, whether it's partof the healthcare system,
reimbursable through insurancecompanies, offered companies.
I think it's just a matter oftime, but I congratulate you
eight years ago seeing its valueand really being a thought
leader on the whole.
I, I, uh, learned to meditate.
I was a college student, justsomebody, you know, 18 year old
college kid going to schoolfull-time and working full-time
(06:48):
with the usual disruptions thattake place during your first
year away at college, exceptthis was on steroids because it
was in the late sixties and Iwas not a druggie or a hippie.
I just wanted to get a goodeducation and do something to
change the world.
I had worked for Bobby Kennedywhen I was a high school
student.
So a pretty stressed out guy.
(07:10):
My dad was a med is a med, was amedical doctor.
So I was skeptic science basedmind wasn't into any new age-y
sorts of Wu stuff.
But a lot of people I knew werewho I respected were doing
something called transcendentalmeditation.
So I decided to learn it.
And, you know, within the firstfew days I got such a deep state
(07:32):
of relaxation from themeditation.
And I'm, as I said, a skepticalguy and tight was tightly wound,
but it was so significant that Irealized at that time it was
going to be an important part ofmy life.
And it has been, it's been over50 years and a few years later I
became a teacher and I've beenteaching it ever since.
So I learned it for the reasonmost people learn it, which is
(07:55):
better health, less stress, uh,more of a greater focus on
ability to focus sharply andalso an inner content and an
inner happiness.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (08:05):
No, I was similar to you.
I was like one of those peoplewho's like, I'll never get
hypnotized.
I'll never get hit and you'reout.
It's unbelievable.
It really, it hit, it hit melike that.
My wife and other people thatI've turned onto the David Lynch
foundation.
You know, some people, somepeople, it takes a little time.
It's tough to let go of thoseconstraints that we wrap our
(08:25):
heads around and to just letyour body do what it's supposed
to do.
Um, and I think one of thethings you've taught me and the
David Lynch foundation is thatit doesn't have to go the same
way for everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, everybody's physiology is different and, and
transcendental meditation atevery moment, it's different,
different hormones, different,um, neurotransmitters, different
insights, just different.
And so transcendental meditationis not one of these is not one
of these things that tries toimpose like a hypnosis or even
certain types of meditationwhere you try and force your
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mind to be calm, like waves onthe surface of the ocean, trying
to stop the waves intranscendental meditation.
We just effortlessly access thatcalm, that lies underneath the
waves.
It's always there, we've justlost access.
And so that process of divingwithin of settling down is so
natural and it's different everysingle time, but it doesn't
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matter because every, even in ashallow dive, we get wet.
That's why we're doing it
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Refreshment.
And you know, I love how everytime I hear you speak,
particularly now, you reallyfocus on the science of things.
Now, again, I'm a physician, youknow, most people, they come to
me for more aesthetic cosmeticthings, but I really try and
focus on the whole picturebecause I think feeling good,
looking good, they're notmutually exclusive things, but
what attracted me most abouttranscendental meditation is
(09:49):
that it has so much scientificbasis.
There were so many studies and Ibelieve all forms of meditation,
correct me if I wrong wereoriginally rooted in some sort
of spiritual or, or religioustype of movement.
And what point thetranscendental meditation become
more of a scientific motionmovement where you, it wasn't
(10:09):
people didn't have to worryabout, you know, going to some
sort of religious type of event.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's a great question.
I think that in its origin, itwas, it had nothing to do.
I mean, transcendentalmeditation is not a religion,
not a religious practice.
And in its original, it was nota religion.
It was a practice that anyonecould do.
Thousands of is this predatesHinduism and Buddhism and
Catholicism, Judaism.
It just was a practice.
(10:36):
You did it.
And then I think it got, youknow, religious movements or
philosophical movements adoptedit and sort of wrapped their
garb around it.
And, you know, and maybe to, toenhance the religious
experience.
And I think what's happenedtoday is just, it's going back
to its original state, which is,it's not a religion.
(10:57):
There's nothing to believe in.
It's a, it's aneurophysiological practice.
People who practice, who have areligion find that they benefits
the benefits.
They appreciate their ownreligion, more people who don't
have a religion just sort ofwant to live in harmony with
nature.
If you want to use that term, uh, they find that easier.
So I think it's just going backto its original roots.
(11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And it is probably the most scientifically studied
form of meditation.
Correct?
I mean, I know blood pressure,anxiety, post-traumatic stress.
I mean, there's so many aspectsand even a guy like me who, you
know, I haven't done thestudies, but I guarantee you,
Bob, it makes you lookobjectively better when you're
peaceful, when you're happy, Ihave had patients and I tell
(11:43):
this story in the pro agingplaybook where I do the same
things to them consistently andthey do okay, but there's always
some level of dissatisfaction.
Can you do more?
Can you do this?
And I speak to them aboutexercise and losing weight and
meditating and focusing onrelationships.
And sometimes people listen andthey come back and they think
I've done something different,something better.
(12:03):
And it was the meditation.
It was changing their lives thatmade them feel more beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, I've been, I'm 70 years old.
I mean, you look 22, but no, I,and I never get sick.
I have more energy now than Ihad when I was in my twenties
and thirties.
I've been meditating for 50years and people go 50 years.
How could you meditate for 50years?
I said, I've been brushing myteeth longer than that.
You know, it's just part of thelife.
(12:32):
It's just, and people also say,well, 20 minutes, twice a day,
how do you find the time?
And I say, well, there's 1,440minutes in a day.
And we're talking about 40minutes out of 1000, 440 for
some profound and natural,effortless, enjoyable self care.
What better investment could youmake?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah.
I mean, that's what peoplealways say.
How do you find the time?
Because you know, I look like avery busy guy.
I'm a very busy guy.
I got a lot of things going on,but I'm just like, I don't
forget to brush my teeth.
I don't forget to shower.
Maybe I'll forget to brush myteeth sometimes, but I try not
to forget to meditate.
You get reminded pretty quick.
Yeah, exactly.
And I just say, you know, you'dbe shocked at how much more time
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you find when you're able to getthrough the static of life.
And that's what transcendentalmeditation does.
Um, I wanted to talk about someof the amazing stuff that David
Lynch foundation does.
Cause I've been to many of yourevents.
I've had the opportunity toshake your hand and be around
amazing people.
Um, people in need celebrities,normal people trying to better
(13:36):
themselves.
I know who are in need.
Oh yes, that's true.
That's right.
Celebrities.
Aren't in need.
Right.
Of course, of course we all are.
And I think that's the commonthread, but you do work with
veterans and correctionalfacilities and underprivileged
or abused people.
And, um, I think there it's,it's, uh, you know, we're now
just realizing that this is suchan important component to
(13:58):
philanthropy is teachingtranscendental meditation.
What are some of the currentstuff that you're working on
with David Lynch?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well, the foundation was started 16 years ago to
bring this evidence-basedmeditation technique to at-risk
under-resourced populations,vulnerable populations.
And we started with kids and,um, children who are growing up
in the U S in, uh, crime riddenneighborhoods, internationally
and war torn neighborhoods.
(14:26):
We've now provided scholarshipsfor a million kids to learn to
meditate, do TM for free.
We're working with veterans tensof thousands of veterans.
We're starting a study right nowin nine veteran VA hospitals
around the country, looking atthe effects of TM and its
effects on the brain forsuicide, for post-traumatic
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stress, for depression, anxiety,insomnia, substance use
disorder.
The purpose of the study, thislarge-scale study is to secure
government funding so that likeit's called Tri-Care, that's the
insurance company for veteransand military active duty
military.
So that any veteran, the millionvets with PTSD can learn to
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meditate the F they can have aprescription for their value or
their high blood pressuremedication and have it
reimbursed well, the same thingwith TM and we're working with,
um, as you said, women andchildren who are survivors of
domestic violence, but one ofthe areas that we're most
excited about now is a frontlinefrontline healthcare providers.
(15:29):
And so we're in 25 hospitalsaround the country are doing
major research studies, again,research on burnout, resilience,
anxiety, such that TM can becovered by self, by insurance
companies, for anybody who'ssuffering from stress.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean, you, you took the words out of my mouth
because as a healthcareprovider, but also as a COVID
victim, who's sick in March.
And I was on home oxygen and Ihad friends, hospitals tell me,
don't come here.
We're going to, they're going tointubate you.
I was really for 14 days with ahundred, 3.5 fever, I was in my
mind saying goodbye to people.
It was a very tough time.
(16:07):
And the post-traumatic stress,uh, that still comes out.
TM has really helped me.
I mean, listen, listening to youdoing the daily medicine
meditations twice a day reallyhelped me.
Not even so much more after Igot better than even when I was
sick.
I must say it was really thefirst time ever that it was
difficult.
I was so sick.
It was difficult to meditate.
(16:28):
Um, but it really has been souseful.
So I could attest to not onlybeing a health care provider,
but also being a victim ofsomething that, uh, how
important it is has thegovernment over the last, since
you've been CEO have PE has thegovernment and insurance have
people been more reasonable,
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Very much more responsive.
And one of the reasons is thiswhole issue of mental health is
coming to the forefront.
And, you know, as a physicianthat understanding the pathology
of a disease, the origins of adisease in the physical body, it
is much greater scientificunderstanding, Oh, you have an
infection, let's do this mentalissues of anxiety, depression,
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bipolar disorder, all thesedifferent, they don't really
know what's going on.
Yeah.
So the medications are sort ofcut.
You use the word cosmetic, theydo call them.
They can calm the anxiety forsome people or calm the
depression, but it doesn't getto the root cause.
Now they're finding withtranscendental meditation, that
here's a simple techniquepractice, 15, 20 minutes, twice
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a day, sitting comfortably in achair with your eyes closed.
You learn from a trainedteacher, takes about an hour a
day over four days.
Very simple.
You, your body gains a state ofrest and relaxation in many
regards, deeper than the deepestpart of deep sleep.
While you're active thinking,mine just has a chance to just
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settle down a bit.
And that experience, they callit restful alertness
transformative to your mind andbody
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Is the foundation and all the centers dealing with all
the uptick in students.
I mean, are you doing zoomcourses?
How are, how are you trainingpeople?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, the schools, it's a pretty tough thing
because it's, the kids are inschool.
They're out of school, they'rein school, they're out of
school.
So we're not really in aposition to teach a lot more
children through the schools.
But the kids who have learnedthat tens of thousands of kids
who have learned we're followingup with them, you know, as they
wish, um, online.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
What about at the centers at the center?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The center, the centers are active.
The transcendental meditation isas you know, Paul is not a, um,
mass meditation where you justsort of, you know, listen to a
guided this and they tell youwhat to do a breathing thing.
This is a real gold standardhigh touch.
So the technique is taught.
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It takes about an hour a day orso over four consecutive days.
And the first day is always inpersonal instruction.
One-to-one the next days can bein per, in person or else.
It can now be remote, butone-to-one, and we're socially
distancing.
And we're teaching people allover the country.
It's a slow down in someregards, but picked up another
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regard.
So it's such a confusing time,such a confusing time for people
right now.
And what greater tool to have toadd to your arsenal.
Then the ability to take thisprofound rested will,
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what?
I'll remind people out there whoare interested.
Um, what's amazing is when youget trained it's and I've spoken
to people who've been trained byyou.
Who've been trained in othercities and the things that's
really, it's a consistentapproach.
It's a simple and consistentapproach, but it is essential to
go through it.
This is not something you canlearn online.
(19:48):
Okay.
It's essentially go through theprocess and it's so universally
consistent and simple.
Um, and it's essential.
And what is really nice aboutthe David Lynch foundation is
that there are so many things toget involved in.
Once you pay your fee or getyour training, you could show up
at a David Lynch, found at acenter and use it and develop
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resources, take additionalseminars and classes, but it's
not like a, you're forced to doanything or buy into anything.
And I think that's what a lot ofpeople think about meditation
group type of things.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I am by nature.
I don't like to join groups, youknow, by nature.
I, you know, I, my, my familyand I like my own privacy and
that lovely thing abouttranscendental meditation, you
don't have to join anything.
Yeah.
You know, you learn a technique,you take it home with you
veterans.
I have to say in particular likethis Paul, because they're
suspicious of groups and youknow, they don't like to have
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group counseling and they don't.
So this is a tool they learnover those few days, they take
it home with them and they haveit for the rest of their lives.
And now because of COVID and youmentioned this earlier twice a
day, and it gets repeated everyday for a year.
Now I've been doing these, um,zoom meditations, where it's
just a little reminder of theeffortlessness of the meditation
(21:07):
and then some scientific factsand, you know, 8,000 people join
those.
But again, you're not joiningsomething you could just
anonymously tune in.
Right?
How have you enjoyed?
I mean,
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's really amazing.
And I have to say it's somethingthat was mentioned during my
original training eight yearsago, I had tried going on one of
your original Sundays, cause youtraditionally always didn't on
Sundays.
And then you did this amazingthing.
I mean, I'm assuming you're avery busy guy, but you go down
to the most essential componentof what you do, which is you're
a teacher and you're somebodywho meditates and you share it
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with people.
And by taking the time out ofyour life and your schedule to
do this for people is just like,it's such a wonderful thing.
I mean, I got to thank youendlessly for it.
And uh, it's such a greatjourney.
And as Bob says, he, he repeatsit throughout the day.
So if you can't actually do itlive with all the other people,
but I did want to talk aboutthis.
(22:03):
I believe they call it theMaharishi effect.
This kind of like if youmeditate with other people,
there's something cellular thatcan go on to affect the world
around you.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
There's a term in physics called the field
effects.
Field field effects are, I mean,you're here.
We do it all the time.
We're we're talking right nowbecause of the field effects of
the electromagnetic fieldinformation is being
communicated to theelectromagnetic field.
You make a phone call on thislittle cell phone and we don't
even think anything about it.
(22:36):
And someone is a Mongolian.
They pick up the phone, it's notmagic.
It would have been thought tohave been magic 200 years ago.
And now we have offenders fieldsin nature that connects everyone
to connect everyone andeverything together.
Well, the deepest level of life,according to physics that
connect us together is theunified field.
That's the basis of everythingin ancient times, the ancient
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scientists of meditationconsciousness said that's a
field of consciousness thatunderlying everyone in
everything is the fieldconsciousness.
It sounds a little woo woo, butnot not with, from if you talk
to a quantum physicist, Oh, it'sphysics, it's physics.
So what we do when we meditateis we just, when I settled down
(23:20):
and experience in the mostcomfortable, gentle way is not a
trance.
People say, Oh, you meditate for20 minutes.
How do you know when your 20minutes are up?
I say, you look at your watch.
You have going anywhere.
And you just settle down to thedeepest level of your own
nature.
It turns out that's the deepestlevel of nature's nature.
(23:40):
So interesting.
And that connection, that's thelevel that we all is, beings.
We all connect together.
And when enough peopleexperience that it has a
positive influence, a calminginfluence in the whole
environment.
So there's research that shows1% of a population, meditates
practices, TM, social indicatorsof stress, societal indicators
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of stress like crime, um,violence, war deaths, all of
these things settle down associety becomes calmer.
And there's a lot of publishedresearch, controlled research
that shows that's true.
So that's exciting.
And I think that's a new area offurther explanation of
examination by science.
That's going to come to theforefront in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
My, uh, my 15 year old, every year for the last 10
years, we always got him theGuinness book of records.
He loves that thing always goingthrough it.
I gotta, I gotta assume.
And there's some, there's somecrazy stuff in there.
I gotta assume there's a recordfor the number that the highest
number of people who arepracticing transcendental
meditation at work.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah.
I think that they've done forshort periods of time.
I, I know they had, um,something in Washington, DC,
where they had 4,000 peopletwice a day for two months and
they measured crime rate andthere was a fallen crime rate.
But what we're doing these daysfor now, uh, 11 months, five,
(25:08):
six, seven, 8,000 people nearing10,000 people twice a day.
I think that's near a record.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Cause you're meditating too.
I'm assume you've meditated inso many different ways
throughout your life alone.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
This is, I said this before, what's going on right
now with these meditations and50 years, I've never enjoyed the
practice more than I'm enjoyingit now.
Okay.
You sort of feel when it's time,you just sort of feel some
settling down don't you can't,you sort of
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Believe your body becomes programmed to it.
That's why it's like, and again,there are some times I listened
to the recording, but there'snothing better.
I really feel like you're in theroom with everybody meditating.
It's really,
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.
We're all in the room together.
I know it's really, it's real.
I think that there is anunderlying harmony or unity to
human beings that stress andtension and frustration, and
that covers over and makes thedifferences dominate.
And so it's like a, it's like a,uh, a couple when they're tired
(26:10):
and stressed.
Nothing good about thatrelationship.
Nothing good.
But then you get some rest.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
Then you meditate.
It can be a whole family and youjust eat better and maybe a
vacation and you look at theother person and go, Oh, that's
why I've been living with youfor all these years.
Love unity has a chance to cometo the surface.
(26:33):
And without that, it's just anintellectual thing.
It's just, Oh, I should love myF my family, but when there's
stress it's differences.
And so the idea with meditationis transcendental meditation.
It's a missing link to just,what's something for thousands
of years, get rid of reduce thestress.
And then when you look at thepeople around you, you look at
(26:55):
them with more compassion andmore love rather than anger and
fear.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It changes, it cleans the glasses a little bit and you
know, people have to thecommitment, is it, the
commitment is giving yourselfthe opportunity to find that
settled state.
And I think that's the biggesthump for everybody to get over.
And I, you know, I always talkabout this with like the pro
aging lifestyle.
The pros you say is that if yougive yourself a little
(27:20):
opportunity, you'd be amazed atwhat you could accomplish.
And you'd be amazed at how muchextra time you have, how much
more you can do, how much moreyou could accomplish as opposed
to restricting, restricting,restricting yourself.
People used to be about risk.
You know, I feel like the worldis changing a little bit modern
world about how we look at selfcare.
You know, it used to be cool toget less sleep and never have
(27:42):
time for family and overworkyourself.
And I think we're realizing nowthat that that program isn't
working for the world.
And if you give yourself alittle bit, you can not only
give yourself so much more, butyou can give so much more to
those around you.
And you, you know, unlessthere's that relationship with
the universe and the world andpeople around you, what are we
good for?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Uh, we, we ended up in our craving desire to be
loved and love.
And as we're, we're isolated,we're, you know, we're lonely,
we're unhealthy, we're sad,we're depressed.
And then you, you look at allthe advertising, which says you
should, this is how you'rehappy.
If you have this, if you looklike, if you do this, this,
this, this, all this stuff, it'sall outer.
(28:25):
And it's, it's a dead endstreet.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Now my business, my business is in the outer, but I
tell people all the time,because they're so surprised
that, you know, just because
Speaker 3 (28:35):
You meditate or you give time,
Speaker 2 (28:38):
She herself doesn't mean that you can't still engage
with the outer world and loseyour ego completely because
there are only so many thingsthat you can do inner.
I mean, um, you know, I stilllike making people look good on
the outside.
People still want to have a nicehome and work hard and achieve
and accomplish things.
But you can have both.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
No, you have to have both.
Yeah.
You have to have both.
Yeah.
That's point when I was sayingthat thing about, if we think
only the outer and you see itall the time, people, I see it
all the time.
People come in with so muchwealth, so much fame, so much
power, beauty, empty inside,empty inside, but then you just
are filling up from the insideand then all these other things
(29:22):
are a joy.
So absolutely.
We want to look good.
We want to feel good.
We want to be successful.
They say, talk about withtranscendental meditation.
We talk about living to hundredpercent of life, a hundred
percent inner and 100% ours.
That's that's happening.
You're having your cake andeating it too.
(29:43):
No, it's exactly right.
And one without the other is notenough.
It's not balanced.
Oh, I'm just going to own andmeditate and get it.
No, that's unnatural.
And it's also unnatural to thinkthat just running and forcing
and all that stuff alone isgoing to be enough.
Um,
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Did you ever, I mean, I know you, I know the answer to
this is because you speak somuch with so much knowledge
about medicine and physiologyand quantum physics.
I mean, you clearly have aninterest in this stuff, right?
You're not total novice peoplejust feeding you lines.
Come on.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No, the fact of the matter is I love life and I love
everything about life.
And, you know, I love the factthat emotions and, you know,
happiness, sadness love hatethat those actually are not
emotions that are devoid of thelimbic system and the
cardiovascular system that it'sone continuum.
(30:38):
So my fascination with, anddesire to be happy or, or to
love or be loved and to knowmore about that extends all the
way to, well, how is my bodychanging?
Because the mind and body as youknow, are one.
And so I, I'm absolutely deeplyfascinated by everything cause I
think it's it's life.
(30:59):
And, and I just think sometimesscience has been taught, you
know, with such words like, youknow, ventral medial, this and
the brain and there'soff-putting.
But the fact is there's a littleparts of your brain that just
influence everything and yourlife.
And if you take, if you dosomething to eat something
(31:19):
right, or get enough sleep ormeditate, it has such profound
effects in such tiny ways.
It's life transforming.
So I think it's really importantfor everyone to know what's
going on in their brain, just aswell as to know what's going on
in their heart or their liver ortheir kidneys.
Yeah.
Don't you agree?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's unbelievable.
And the, I mean, the fact thatyou connect the two, cause the
people, these things aren'tsitting on the opposite side of
the cafeteria anymore, we cannow talk about the mind body and
all these things.
And it's exactly why I'm sittinghere.
And I know that's why you'vebeen doing this for 50 years
because you have this belief andyou know, the more you can share
(31:58):
it, the better we're all goingto be.
And you know, this is why themost important question of this
interview that's coming up ishow are people going to find
more about TIAA?
Tell people where they can go,please, Bob.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So simple, just go to T m.org.
It's a nonprofit educationalorganization been around for 60
years, 10 million people havelearned transcendental
meditation from all religions ornot religions, all educational
backgrounds, cultures,nationalities, um, tm.org.
You can find out on that wherethere's a local TM center near
(32:34):
you.
There's almost 200 of them inthe U S you can call the center
and find out where they can, youknow, where there's an
introductory, get anintroductory talk online and
then research it and then giveit a try.
You know, I, uh, people used tosay, Oh, meditation, that's the,
you know, that's for the wealthypeople here or there, which is
(32:56):
fine.
They should have it, but it'sfor everybody, it's no longer
just a luxury.
This is now in this and she'llbasis of a survival tool.
I think a tool for survival andthriving.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah.
Affordable people.
It is very affordable.
What it's done, what it's donefor me, I feel like they should
be getting a yearly VIG from me,but they don't.
But I do show up to theirevents.
I hope this summer in theHamptons, I hope that we could
shake hands again and meet faceto face and share that journey.
(33:31):
And I, I think, I think we willbe able to do that.
Um, please tell me, tell me,
Speaker 3 (33:37):
So when we hear Dr.
Paul talk and he advises you to,uh, I know Frank, but I call you
doctor.
I have to please.
When we hear, when you hear Dr.
Paul, talk about we, you shoulddo this for your health or
eating or this or that or thatit's wisdom.
And it's it's wisdom.
And it should not be just in oneear and out the next, we all
(34:00):
want to be happy.
We all want to be healthy.
Nobody wants to suffer.
And everybody's hopefullyproactively aging, but we're
aging and we want it to besmooth.
And I'm telling you this.
And he didn't ask me to saythis.
He has the wisdom of the agesand what he's talking about.
And there's two sayings that Iremember growing up.
(34:22):
One is casual.
Attention brings casual results.
If you're just casual aboutsomething you put in the time,
you want to have a goodrelationship with your children,
you have to put in the time youwant to have something good at
work.
You have to put in the timerelationship with your partner.
You put in the time, you want tohave a good relationship with
yourself.
(34:43):
You put in the time, don'tignore it.
And it's ACE of TM.
It's just a few minutes profoundeffects.
And the last thing I know I'mgoing on here, the last thing I
want to say, I was taughtgrowing up, the two things, two
keys, fundamentals of success inlife, no matter what it is,
conviction, you believe deeply.
(35:04):
And I believe in thisrelationship, I have a
conviction in this relation.
I have a conviction in what I'mdoing, conviction.
It's a vertical thing to thecore of my being and
persistence.
That's horizontal over time.
You're not going to get wellover.
Pardon?
Grit.
I like the word grit, grit,grit.
(35:25):
Absolutely.
Those two things are key toeverything.
So I'm really grateful to havebeen asked to be on the show.
And I hope I get to,
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, you will.
And I don't know if know this,just when you go, you could say
goodbye to me.
Do you know how famous yourgoodbye is on those, uh, on
those phone calls, right?
I mean, if I tell you my wifeand I, and everyone, I know that
does it, it just, there'ssomething that just fills your
heart with the way this guy saysgoodbye.
And I'm going to give him a cueon a one to three.
(35:56):
And I want him to say personallyto me, the way he does it on the
phone, because to me, it is justthe cherry on the cake, Bob.
And I know that they know orthey hear it.
So I was born in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Sort of some of my family members from the South.
So my family growing up, wewould just always say,
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I started saying this on the calls and now
anyway, so that's it.
So Bob, thank you so much forcoming on and I'm going to give
you a cue and I wish you thebest.
I'm going to see you soon.
One, two, three.
Bye.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Thanks everybody.
All right, gang, that wraps itup for an episode of the pro
aging podcast.
Stay on the ride with us at Dr.
Paul, Jared Frank on Instagram,Tik, TOK, YouTube, Facebook,
(36:53):
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happy pro aging people.
Dr.
Frank gal,
Hello friends.
I'm Dr.
Paul, Jerry Frank cosmeticdermatologist author, and
wellness enthusiast.
And you're listening to the proaging podcasts together.
We discuss how to find the bestversion of ourselves.
Talking to my network of expertsfrom all disciplines we learned
to become active participants inmaking the most of how we look
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and feel, getting us to join thejourney and enjoy the ride
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Are friends episode number six.
And today we are talking aboutone of my most favorite topics,
transcendental meditation.
And I literally have one of thegurus of transcendental
meditation, who I have beenfollowing for a very long time.
Um, Mr.
Bob Roth, now he is not only ateacher.
(00:53):
He's a well renowned author andhe is the CEO of the David Lynch
foundation, which we talk aboutthroughout the podcast.
What the David Lynch foundationdoes outreaches to veterans in
schools and people in need, andbasically everyone that's in
need.
And what transcendental reallyis about, you've heard about
this in my book, the pro agingplaybook, and it has always been
(01:15):
such a big part of my life whenI first learned how to do it a
years ago.
And I've tried so much both inmy practice, in my office, in my
book, on my podcast to use thisinformation, to really help
people become a better versionof themselves and live the pro
aging lifestyle.
That's exactly what Bob broughtdoes.
Not only does he do it forhimself for the last 50 years,
but he does it to enhance otherpeople's lives.
(01:37):
And that's why he's such aninspirational guy.
So you're going to hear a lotabout Bob Roth and
transcendental meditation.
And most importantly, how youall can incorporate it into your
life, get ready.
Well, hello friends, you know,today, I got a secret for you.
Are you trying to figure out asecret to feeling beautiful?
(01:58):
How about vitality?
Do we all want to have vitality?
How about inner peace, calm andjust being the best version of
ourselves?
Well, if you've read the ProGeneplaybook or you know me, or
you've listened to me before,you may know what this is, but
the secret transcendentalmeditation.
(02:18):
Now, most of you know what thisis, but it is mine like several
million people around the world.
It is a practice that we do forourselves twice a day, 20
minutes a day, very simply.
And if you know me, it is partof my secret sauce.
It changed my life eight yearsago for the better.
(02:39):
And it comes from within, it'snot a fancy diet.
It's not in a needle that Iinject into people's faces.
Uh, it's not an exerciseroutine.
It is something that is simplytaught consistently around the
world and is accessible toeverybody.
And the best surprise of todayis who have with me to talk
(03:00):
about that journey, Mr.
Bob Roth, he is one of the mostfamiliar names with the
transcendental meditationmovement.
He is the OJI.
He is the grand Poobah, and hehas several titles to his name.
First and foremost, he is ateacher.
He has taught tens of thousandsof people, transcendental
(03:22):
meditation.
He is a bestselling author.
He is also CEO of the DavidLynch foundation, who has taught
me and has taught up to millionsof people around the world.
People who are seeking it andpeople who are in need of
transcendental meditation.
And he's just one of those guysthat spends his days changing
(03:44):
people's lives and making themthe best version of themselves.
And I couldn't think of a betterperson to be have on the pro
aging podcast that someone justlike this.
So, Bob, I hope that was a goodintroduction for you.
Thank you so much for, for beingon my podcast really well.
It's wonderful to be on yourshow
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And I admire the work that you do, and I'm grateful
for the opportunity to
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Talk with the people who trust you.
Now.
I'm really hoping you're apopular guy.
I hope we get as many listens asyou and Katy Perry.
You know what I mean?
I know they all came for you.
Okay.
At least three or four.
Yeah.
So, you know, I know most of thepeople might not know me, my
patients, my listeners, topeople who have read my book,
(04:31):
they've heard about my journey,you know, which started eight
years ago.
And just one of those typicalpeople who were very fortunate,
their whole lives that I justfelt like I had so much, but I
lived with such frustration.
And, uh, as a birthday gift tomy wife, not only did I give her
the gift of getting trained, thegift was that I would do it with
(04:53):
her.
And as a Western physician, Iwas one of those guys who was
like, yeah, transcendentalmeditation.
It's like spiritual LIDAR, blah,blah, blah.
I really knew very little aboutit, but I did the most important
thing we could all do in life,which is keep an open mind.
And ever since those eight yearshave passed, it's transformed me
into a, you know, what I thinkis pretty great guy.
(05:14):
And most importantly filled withjoy.
Um, I know a question I have foryou, which I'm sure so many
people ask you is what broughtyou to it.
How, when, why, tell me yourstory.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm happy to, but I have to get that.
Is your wife happy
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That you learned, Oh my God, she's about your wife.
She's still married to me.
That's the most important thing.
Um, yeah, she is.
I mean, we do it together.
We do it with you, uh, on yourphone calls.
We do it separately.
And, um, yeah, no, it's reallychanged our lives.
We've got our children doing it.
They're not as good.
(05:50):
Sometimes they roll their eyes,but they're always better off
when they do it with us.
I have a, um, a 15 year old sonand a 12 year old girl.
And you know, it's now part ofour lives like brushing our
teeth and exercising andwatching what we eat and going
to work every day.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I think, you know, with the work that you're
doing on pro aging and just yourbook and everything, and now
with TM, I think you're ahead ofthe curve.
And I'm going to answer yourquestion in just a second, but I
think that your experience todaywithin three or four years is
going to be common because Ithink transcendental meditation
is going to be understood andincorporated, uh, by more and
(06:27):
more people, whether it's partof the healthcare system,
reimbursable through insurancecompanies, offered companies.
I think it's just a matter oftime, but I congratulate you
eight years ago seeing its valueand really being a thought
leader on the whole.
I, I, uh, learned to meditate.
I was a college student, justsomebody, you know, 18 year old
college kid going to schoolfull-time and working full-time
(06:48):
with the usual disruptions thattake place during your first
year away at college, exceptthis was on steroids because it
was in the late sixties and Iwas not a druggie or a hippie.
I just wanted to get a goodeducation and do something to
change the world.
I had worked for Bobby Kennedywhen I was a high school
student.
So a pretty stressed out guy.
(07:10):
My dad was a med is a med, was amedical doctor.
So I was skeptic science basedmind wasn't into any new age-y
sorts of Wu stuff.
But a lot of people I knew werewho I respected were doing
something called transcendentalmeditation.
So I decided to learn it.
And, you know, within the firstfew days I got such a deep state
(07:32):
of relaxation from themeditation.
And I'm, as I said, a skepticalguy and tight was tightly wound,
but it was so significant that Irealized at that time it was
going to be an important part ofmy life.
And it has been, it's been over50 years and a few years later I
became a teacher and I've beenteaching it ever since.
So I learned it for the reasonmost people learn it, which is
(07:55):
better health, less stress, uh,more of a greater focus on
ability to focus sharply andalso an inner content and an
inner happiness.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (08:05):
No, I was similar to you.
I was like one of those peoplewho's like, I'll never get
hypnotized.
I'll never get hit and you'reout.
It's unbelievable.
It really, it hit, it hit melike that.
My wife and other people thatI've turned onto the David Lynch
foundation.
You know, some people, somepeople, it takes a little time.
It's tough to let go of thoseconstraints that we wrap our
(08:25):
heads around and to just letyour body do what it's supposed
to do.
Um, and I think one of thethings you've taught me and the
David Lynch foundation is thatit doesn't have to go the same
way for everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, everybody's physiology is different and, and
transcendental meditation atevery moment, it's different,
different hormones, different,um, neurotransmitters, different
insights, just different.
And so transcendental meditationis not one of these is not one
of these things that tries toimpose like a hypnosis or even
certain types of meditationwhere you try and force your
(09:00):
mind to be calm, like waves onthe surface of the ocean, trying
to stop the waves intranscendental meditation.
We just effortlessly access thatcalm, that lies underneath the
waves.
It's always there, we've justlost access.
And so that process of divingwithin of settling down is so
natural and it's different everysingle time, but it doesn't
(09:21):
matter because every, even in ashallow dive, we get wet.
That's why we're doing it
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Refreshment.
And you know, I love how everytime I hear you speak,
particularly now, you reallyfocus on the science of things.
Now, again, I'm a physician, youknow, most people, they come to
me for more aesthetic cosmeticthings, but I really try and
focus on the whole picturebecause I think feeling good,
looking good, they're notmutually exclusive things, but
what attracted me most abouttranscendental meditation is
(09:49):
that it has so much scientificbasis.
There were so many studies and Ibelieve all forms of meditation,
correct me if I wrong wereoriginally rooted in some sort
of spiritual or, or religioustype of movement.
And what point thetranscendental meditation become
more of a scientific motionmovement where you, it wasn't
(10:09):
people didn't have to worryabout, you know, going to some
sort of religious type of event.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's a great question.
I think that in its origin, itwas, it had nothing to do.
I mean, transcendentalmeditation is not a religion,
not a religious practice.
And in its original, it was nota religion.
It was a practice that anyonecould do.
Thousands of is this predatesHinduism and Buddhism and
Catholicism, Judaism.
It just was a practice.
(10:36):
You did it.
And then I think it got, youknow, religious movements or
philosophical movements adoptedit and sort of wrapped their
garb around it.
And, you know, and maybe to, toenhance the religious
experience.
And I think what's happenedtoday is just, it's going back
to its original state, which is,it's not a religion.
(10:57):
There's nothing to believe in.
It's a, it's aneurophysiological practice.
People who practice, who have areligion find that they benefits
the benefits.
They appreciate their ownreligion, more people who don't
have a religion just sort ofwant to live in harmony with
nature.
If you want to use that term, uh, they find that easier.
So I think it's just going backto its original roots.
(11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And it is probably the most scientifically studied
form of meditation.
Correct?
I mean, I know blood pressure,anxiety, post-traumatic stress.
I mean, there's so many aspectsand even a guy like me who, you
know, I haven't done thestudies, but I guarantee you,
Bob, it makes you lookobjectively better when you're
peaceful, when you're happy, Ihave had patients and I tell
(11:43):
this story in the pro agingplaybook where I do the same
things to them consistently andthey do okay, but there's always
some level of dissatisfaction.
Can you do more?
Can you do this?
And I speak to them aboutexercise and losing weight and
meditating and focusing onrelationships.
And sometimes people listen andthey come back and they think
I've done something different,something better.
(12:03):
And it was the meditation.
It was changing their lives thatmade them feel more beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, I've been, I'm 70 years old.
I mean, you look 22, but no, I,and I never get sick.
I have more energy now than Ihad when I was in my twenties
and thirties.
I've been meditating for 50years and people go 50 years.
How could you meditate for 50years?
I said, I've been brushing myteeth longer than that.
You know, it's just part of thelife.
(12:32):
It's just, and people also say,well, 20 minutes, twice a day,
how do you find the time?
And I say, well, there's 1,440minutes in a day.
And we're talking about 40minutes out of 1000, 440 for
some profound and natural,effortless, enjoyable self care.
What better investment could youmake?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah.
I mean, that's what peoplealways say.
How do you find the time?
Because you know, I look like avery busy guy.
I'm a very busy guy.
I got a lot of things going on,but I'm just like, I don't
forget to brush my teeth.
I don't forget to shower.
Maybe I'll forget to brush myteeth sometimes, but I try not
to forget to meditate.
You get reminded pretty quick.
Yeah, exactly.
And I just say, you know, you'dbe shocked at how much more time
(13:13):
you find when you're able to getthrough the static of life.
And that's what transcendentalmeditation does.
Um, I wanted to talk about someof the amazing stuff that David
Lynch foundation does.
Cause I've been to many of yourevents.
I've had the opportunity toshake your hand and be around
amazing people.
Um, people in need celebrities,normal people trying to better
(13:36):
themselves.
I know who are in need.
Oh yes, that's true.
That's right.
Celebrities.
Aren't in need.
Right.
Of course, of course we all are.
And I think that's the commonthread, but you do work with
veterans and correctionalfacilities and underprivileged
or abused people.
And, um, I think there it's,it's, uh, you know, we're now
just realizing that this is suchan important component to
(13:58):
philanthropy is teachingtranscendental meditation.
What are some of the currentstuff that you're working on
with David Lynch?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well, the foundation was started 16 years ago to
bring this evidence-basedmeditation technique to at-risk
under-resourced populations,vulnerable populations.
And we started with kids and,um, children who are growing up
in the U S in, uh, crime riddenneighborhoods, internationally
and war torn neighborhoods.
(14:26):
We've now provided scholarshipsfor a million kids to learn to
meditate, do TM for free.
We're working with veterans tensof thousands of veterans.
We're starting a study right nowin nine veteran VA hospitals
around the country, looking atthe effects of TM and its
effects on the brain forsuicide, for post-traumatic
(14:46):
stress, for depression, anxiety,insomnia, substance use
disorder.
The purpose of the study, thislarge-scale study is to secure
government funding so that likeit's called Tri-Care, that's the
insurance company for veteransand military active duty
military.
So that any veteran, the millionvets with PTSD can learn to
(15:07):
meditate the F they can have aprescription for their value or
their high blood pressuremedication and have it
reimbursed well, the same thingwith TM and we're working with,
um, as you said, women andchildren who are survivors of
domestic violence, but one ofthe areas that we're most
excited about now is a frontlinefrontline healthcare providers.
(15:29):
And so we're in 25 hospitalsaround the country are doing
major research studies, again,research on burnout, resilience,
anxiety, such that TM can becovered by self, by insurance
companies, for anybody who'ssuffering from stress.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean, you, you took the words out of my mouth
because as a healthcareprovider, but also as a COVID
victim, who's sick in March.
And I was on home oxygen and Ihad friends, hospitals tell me,
don't come here.
We're going to, they're going tointubate you.
I was really for 14 days with ahundred, 3.5 fever, I was in my
mind saying goodbye to people.
It was a very tough time.
(16:07):
And the post-traumatic stress,uh, that still comes out.
TM has really helped me.
I mean, listen, listening to youdoing the daily medicine
meditations twice a day reallyhelped me.
Not even so much more after Igot better than even when I was
sick.
I must say it was really thefirst time ever that it was
difficult.
I was so sick.
It was difficult to meditate.
(16:28):
Um, but it really has been souseful.
So I could attest to not onlybeing a health care provider,
but also being a victim ofsomething that, uh, how
important it is has thegovernment over the last, since
you've been CEO have PE has thegovernment and insurance have
people been more reasonable,
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Very much more responsive.
And one of the reasons is thiswhole issue of mental health is
coming to the forefront.
And, you know, as a physicianthat understanding the pathology
of a disease, the origins of adisease in the physical body, it
is much greater scientificunderstanding, Oh, you have an
infection, let's do this mentalissues of anxiety, depression,
(17:08):
bipolar disorder, all thesedifferent, they don't really
know what's going on.
Yeah.
So the medications are sort ofcut.
You use the word cosmetic, theydo call them.
They can calm the anxiety forsome people or calm the
depression, but it doesn't getto the root cause.
Now they're finding withtranscendental meditation, that
here's a simple techniquepractice, 15, 20 minutes, twice
(17:31):
a day, sitting comfortably in achair with your eyes closed.
You learn from a trainedteacher, takes about an hour a
day over four days.
Very simple.
You, your body gains a state ofrest and relaxation in many
regards, deeper than the deepestpart of deep sleep.
While you're active thinking,mine just has a chance to just
(17:51):
settle down a bit.
And that experience, they callit restful alertness
transformative to your mind andbody
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Is the foundation and all the centers dealing with all
the uptick in students.
I mean, are you doing zoomcourses?
How are, how are you trainingpeople?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, the schools, it's a pretty tough thing
because it's, the kids are inschool.
They're out of school, they'rein school, they're out of
school.
So we're not really in aposition to teach a lot more
children through the schools.
But the kids who have learnedthat tens of thousands of kids
who have learned we're followingup with them, you know, as they
wish, um, online.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
What about at the centers at the center?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The center, the centers are active.
The transcendental meditation isas you know, Paul is not a, um,
mass meditation where you justsort of, you know, listen to a
guided this and they tell youwhat to do a breathing thing.
This is a real gold standardhigh touch.
So the technique is taught.
(18:54):
It takes about an hour a day orso over four consecutive days.
And the first day is always inpersonal instruction.
One-to-one the next days can bein per, in person or else.
It can now be remote, butone-to-one, and we're socially
distancing.
And we're teaching people allover the country.
It's a slow down in someregards, but picked up another
(19:15):
regard.
So it's such a confusing time,such a confusing time for people
right now.
And what greater tool to have toadd to your arsenal.
Then the ability to take thisprofound rested will,
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what?
I'll remind people out there whoare interested.
Um, what's amazing is when youget trained it's and I've spoken
to people who've been trained byyou.
Who've been trained in othercities and the things that's
really, it's a consistentapproach.
It's a simple and consistentapproach, but it is essential to
go through it.
This is not something you canlearn online.
(19:48):
Okay.
It's essentially go through theprocess and it's so universally
consistent and simple.
Um, and it's essential.
And what is really nice aboutthe David Lynch foundation is
that there are so many things toget involved in.
Once you pay your fee or getyour training, you could show up
at a David Lynch, found at acenter and use it and develop
(20:09):
resources, take additionalseminars and classes, but it's
not like a, you're forced to doanything or buy into anything.
And I think that's what a lot ofpeople think about meditation
group type of things.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I am by nature.
I don't like to join groups, youknow, by nature.
I, you know, I, my, my familyand I like my own privacy and
that lovely thing abouttranscendental meditation, you
don't have to join anything.
Yeah.
You know, you learn a technique,you take it home with you
veterans.
I have to say in particular likethis Paul, because they're
suspicious of groups and youknow, they don't like to have
(20:44):
group counseling and they don't.
So this is a tool they learnover those few days, they take
it home with them and they haveit for the rest of their lives.
And now because of COVID and youmentioned this earlier twice a
day, and it gets repeated everyday for a year.
Now I've been doing these, um,zoom meditations, where it's
just a little reminder of theeffortlessness of the meditation
(21:07):
and then some scientific factsand, you know, 8,000 people join
those.
But again, you're not joiningsomething you could just
anonymously tune in.
Right?
How have you enjoyed?
I mean,
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's really amazing.
And I have to say it's somethingthat was mentioned during my
original training eight yearsago, I had tried going on one of
your original Sundays, cause youtraditionally always didn't on
Sundays.
And then you did this amazingthing.
I mean, I'm assuming you're avery busy guy, but you go down
to the most essential componentof what you do, which is you're
a teacher and you're somebodywho meditates and you share it
(21:43):
with people.
And by taking the time out ofyour life and your schedule to
do this for people is just like,it's such a wonderful thing.
I mean, I got to thank youendlessly for it.
And uh, it's such a greatjourney.
And as Bob says, he, he repeatsit throughout the day.
So if you can't actually do itlive with all the other people,
but I did want to talk aboutthis.
(22:03):
I believe they call it theMaharishi effect.
This kind of like if youmeditate with other people,
there's something cellular thatcan go on to affect the world
around you.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
There's a term in physics called the field
effects.
Field field effects are, I mean,you're here.
We do it all the time.
We're we're talking right nowbecause of the field effects of
the electromagnetic fieldinformation is being
communicated to theelectromagnetic field.
You make a phone call on thislittle cell phone and we don't
even think anything about it.
(22:36):
And someone is a Mongolian.
They pick up the phone, it's notmagic.
It would have been thought tohave been magic 200 years ago.
And now we have offenders fieldsin nature that connects everyone
to connect everyone andeverything together.
Well, the deepest level of life,according to physics that
connect us together is theunified field.
That's the basis of everythingin ancient times, the ancient
(22:59):
scientists of meditationconsciousness said that's a
field of consciousness thatunderlying everyone in
everything is the fieldconsciousness.
It sounds a little woo woo, butnot not with, from if you talk
to a quantum physicist, Oh, it'sphysics, it's physics.
So what we do when we meditateis we just, when I settled down
(23:20):
and experience in the mostcomfortable, gentle way is not a
trance.
People say, Oh, you meditate for20 minutes.
How do you know when your 20minutes are up?
I say, you look at your watch.
You have going anywhere.
And you just settle down to thedeepest level of your own
nature.
It turns out that's the deepestlevel of nature's nature.
(23:40):
So interesting.
And that connection, that's thelevel that we all is, beings.
We all connect together.
And when enough peopleexperience that it has a
positive influence, a calminginfluence in the whole
environment.
So there's research that shows1% of a population, meditates
practices, TM, social indicatorsof stress, societal indicators
(24:04):
of stress like crime, um,violence, war deaths, all of
these things settle down associety becomes calmer.
And there's a lot of publishedresearch, controlled research
that shows that's true.
So that's exciting.
And I think that's a new area offurther explanation of
examination by science.
That's going to come to theforefront in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
My, uh, my 15 year old, every year for the last 10
years, we always got him theGuinness book of records.
He loves that thing always goingthrough it.
I gotta, I gotta assume.
And there's some, there's somecrazy stuff in there.
I gotta assume there's a recordfor the number that the highest
number of people who arepracticing transcendental
meditation at work.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah.
I think that they've done forshort periods of time.
I, I know they had, um,something in Washington, DC,
where they had 4,000 peopletwice a day for two months and
they measured crime rate andthere was a fallen crime rate.
But what we're doing these daysfor now, uh, 11 months, five,
(25:08):
six, seven, 8,000 people nearing10,000 people twice a day.
I think that's near a record.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Cause you're meditating too.
I'm assume you've meditated inso many different ways
throughout your life alone.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
This is, I said this before, what's going on right
now with these meditations and50 years, I've never enjoyed the
practice more than I'm enjoyingit now.
Okay.
You sort of feel when it's time,you just sort of feel some
settling down don't you can't,you sort of
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Believe your body becomes programmed to it.
That's why it's like, and again,there are some times I listened
to the recording, but there'snothing better.
I really feel like you're in theroom with everybody meditating.
It's really,
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.
We're all in the room together.
I know it's really, it's real.
I think that there is anunderlying harmony or unity to
human beings that stress andtension and frustration, and
that covers over and makes thedifferences dominate.
And so it's like a, it's like a,uh, a couple when they're tired
(26:10):
and stressed.
Nothing good about thatrelationship.
Nothing good.
But then you get some rest.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
Then you meditate.
It can be a whole family and youjust eat better and maybe a
vacation and you look at theother person and go, Oh, that's
why I've been living with youfor all these years.
Love unity has a chance to cometo the surface.
(26:33):
And without that, it's just anintellectual thing.
It's just, Oh, I should love myF my family, but when there's
stress it's differences.
And so the idea with meditationis transcendental meditation.
It's a missing link to just,what's something for thousands
of years, get rid of reduce thestress.
And then when you look at thepeople around you, you look at
(26:55):
them with more compassion andmore love rather than anger and
fear.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It changes, it cleans the glasses a little bit and you
know, people have to thecommitment, is it, the
commitment is giving yourselfthe opportunity to find that
settled state.
And I think that's the biggesthump for everybody to get over.
And I, you know, I always talkabout this with like the pro
aging lifestyle.
The pros you say is that if yougive yourself a little
(27:20):
opportunity, you'd be amazed atwhat you could accomplish.
And you'd be amazed at how muchextra time you have, how much
more you can do, how much moreyou could accomplish as opposed
to restricting, restricting,restricting yourself.
People used to be about risk.
You know, I feel like the worldis changing a little bit modern
world about how we look at selfcare.
You know, it used to be cool toget less sleep and never have
(27:42):
time for family and overworkyourself.
And I think we're realizing nowthat that that program isn't
working for the world.
And if you give yourself alittle bit, you can not only
give yourself so much more, butyou can give so much more to
those around you.
And you, you know, unlessthere's that relationship with
the universe and the world andpeople around you, what are we
good for?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Uh, we, we ended up in our craving desire to be
loved and love.
And as we're, we're isolated,we're, you know, we're lonely,
we're unhealthy, we're sad,we're depressed.
And then you, you look at allthe advertising, which says you
should, this is how you'rehappy.
If you have this, if you looklike, if you do this, this,
this, this, all this stuff, it'sall outer.
(28:25):
And it's, it's a dead endstreet.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Now my business, my business is in the outer, but I
tell people all the time,because they're so surprised
that, you know, just because
Speaker 3 (28:35):
You meditate or you give time,
Speaker 2 (28:38):
She herself doesn't mean that you can't still engage
with the outer world and loseyour ego completely because
there are only so many thingsthat you can do inner.
I mean, um, you know, I stilllike making people look good on
the outside.
People still want to have a nicehome and work hard and achieve
and accomplish things.
But you can have both.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
No, you have to have both.
Yeah.
You have to have both.
Yeah.
That's point when I was sayingthat thing about, if we think
only the outer and you see itall the time, people, I see it
all the time.
People come in with so muchwealth, so much fame, so much
power, beauty, empty inside,empty inside, but then you just
are filling up from the insideand then all these other things
(29:22):
are a joy.
So absolutely.
We want to look good.
We want to feel good.
We want to be successful.
They say, talk about withtranscendental meditation.
We talk about living to hundredpercent of life, a hundred
percent inner and 100% ours.
That's that's happening.
You're having your cake andeating it too.
(29:43):
No, it's exactly right.
And one without the other is notenough.
It's not balanced.
Oh, I'm just going to own andmeditate and get it.
No, that's unnatural.
And it's also unnatural to thinkthat just running and forcing
and all that stuff alone isgoing to be enough.
Um,
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Did you ever, I mean, I know you, I know the answer to
this is because you speak somuch with so much knowledge
about medicine and physiologyand quantum physics.
I mean, you clearly have aninterest in this stuff, right?
You're not total novice peoplejust feeding you lines.
Come on.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No, the fact of the matter is I love life and I love
everything about life.
And, you know, I love the factthat emotions and, you know,
happiness, sadness love hatethat those actually are not
emotions that are devoid of thelimbic system and the
cardiovascular system that it'sone continuum.
(30:38):
So my fascination with, anddesire to be happy or, or to
love or be loved and to knowmore about that extends all the
way to, well, how is my bodychanging?
Because the mind and body as youknow, are one.
And so I, I'm absolutely deeplyfascinated by everything cause I
think it's it's life.
(30:59):
And, and I just think sometimesscience has been taught, you
know, with such words like, youknow, ventral medial, this and
the brain and there'soff-putting.
But the fact is there's a littleparts of your brain that just
influence everything and yourlife.
And if you take, if you dosomething to eat something
(31:19):
right, or get enough sleep ormeditate, it has such profound
effects in such tiny ways.
It's life transforming.
So I think it's really importantfor everyone to know what's
going on in their brain, just aswell as to know what's going on
in their heart or their liver ortheir kidneys.
Yeah.
Don't you agree?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's unbelievable.
And the, I mean, the fact thatyou connect the two, cause the
people, these things aren'tsitting on the opposite side of
the cafeteria anymore, we cannow talk about the mind body and
all these things.
And it's exactly why I'm sittinghere.
And I know that's why you'vebeen doing this for 50 years
because you have this belief andyou know, the more you can share
(31:58):
it, the better we're all goingto be.
And you know, this is why themost important question of this
interview that's coming up ishow are people going to find
more about TIAA?
Tell people where they can go,please, Bob.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So simple, just go to T m.org.
It's a nonprofit educationalorganization been around for 60
years, 10 million people havelearned transcendental
meditation from all religions ornot religions, all educational
backgrounds, cultures,nationalities, um, tm.org.
You can find out on that wherethere's a local TM center near
(32:34):
you.
There's almost 200 of them inthe U S you can call the center
and find out where they can, youknow, where there's an
introductory, get anintroductory talk online and
then research it and then giveit a try.
You know, I, uh, people used tosay, Oh, meditation, that's the,
you know, that's for the wealthypeople here or there, which is
(32:56):
fine.
They should have it, but it'sfor everybody, it's no longer
just a luxury.
This is now in this and she'llbasis of a survival tool.
I think a tool for survival andthriving.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah.
Affordable people.
It is very affordable.
What it's done, what it's donefor me, I feel like they should
be getting a yearly VIG from me,but they don't.
But I do show up to theirevents.
I hope this summer in theHamptons, I hope that we could
shake hands again and meet faceto face and share that journey.
(33:31):
And I, I think, I think we willbe able to do that.
Um, please tell me, tell me,
Speaker 3 (33:37):
So when we hear Dr.
Paul talk and he advises you to,uh, I know Frank, but I call you
doctor.
I have to please.
When we hear, when you hear Dr.
Paul, talk about we, you shoulddo this for your health or
eating or this or that or thatit's wisdom.
And it's it's wisdom.
And it should not be just in oneear and out the next, we all
(34:00):
want to be happy.
We all want to be healthy.
Nobody wants to suffer.
And everybody's hopefullyproactively aging, but we're
aging and we want it to besmooth.
And I'm telling you this.
And he didn't ask me to saythis.
He has the wisdom of the agesand what he's talking about.
And there's two sayings that Iremember growing up.
(34:22):
One is casual.
Attention brings casual results.
If you're just casual aboutsomething you put in the time,
you want to have a goodrelationship with your children,
you have to put in the time youwant to have something good at
work.
You have to put in the timerelationship with your partner.
You put in the time, you want tohave a good relationship with
yourself.
(34:43):
You put in the time, don'tignore it.
And it's ACE of TM.
It's just a few minutes profoundeffects.
And the last thing I know I'mgoing on here, the last thing I
want to say, I was taughtgrowing up, the two things, two
keys, fundamentals of success inlife, no matter what it is,
conviction, you believe deeply.
(35:04):
And I believe in thisrelationship, I have a
conviction in this relation.
I have a conviction in what I'mdoing, conviction.
It's a vertical thing to thecore of my being and
persistence.
That's horizontal over time.
You're not going to get wellover.
Pardon?
Grit.
I like the word grit, grit,grit.
(35:25):
Absolutely.
Those two things are key toeverything.
So I'm really grateful to havebeen asked to be on the show.
And I hope I get to,
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, you will.
And I don't know if know this,just when you go, you could say
goodbye to me.
Do you know how famous yourgoodbye is on those, uh, on
those phone calls, right?
I mean, if I tell you my wifeand I, and everyone, I know that
does it, it just, there'ssomething that just fills your
heart with the way this guy saysgoodbye.
And I'm going to give him a cueon a one to three.
(35:56):
And I want him to say personallyto me, the way he does it on the
phone, because to me, it is justthe cherry on the cake, Bob.
And I know that they know orthey hear it.
So I was born in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Sort of some of my family members from the South.
So my family growing up, wewould just always say,
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I started saying this on the calls and now
anyway, so that's it.
So Bob, thank you so much forcoming on and I'm going to give
you a cue and I wish you thebest.
I'm going to see you soon.
One, two, three.
Bye.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Thanks everybody.
All right, gang, that wraps itup for an episode of the pro
aging podcast.
Stay on the ride with us at Dr.
Paul, Jared Frank on Instagram,Tik, TOK, YouTube, Facebook,
(36:53):
Twitter, LinkedIn, and probablysome other ones that don't even
know about as always wishing youall health, beauty and vitality
happy pro aging people.
Dr.
Frank gal,
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