March 6, 2024 • 31 mins
The third and final part of our commencement series special checks out the inaugural RCBC Liberal Arts Winter Commencement. We'll speak with President's Award winner Pamela Zahn, catch up with Liberal Arts graduates interviewed by RCBC Marketing Intern Eli Booth and hear a few clips from this memorable event.
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Unknown (00:01):
Welcome to the program pod a national award winning
program on the rcbc PodcastNetwork, which takes a deep dive
into the programs offered atrcbc. through different
perspectives of students,faculty and employers. Alright,
and last but certainly notleast, whenever other and final
presidential award winners herefor rcbc commencement, the first
ever that taking place, during awinter, we're going to be
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combining all three ceremonies.Usually we break it out over a
couple of days, but it's goingto be Wednesday, December 20. So
whenever you're listening to theplug, the podcasts or the
program pod here on the podcast,is that you know, we have
liberal arts stem, and howscientists, even adult basic
education is going to be in themix. But we already spoke with
two presidential winners. Andnow I have the other one who's
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got a story that I canpersonally relate to. We've
heard one kind of similar acouple years past, I had another
student because there's so manypeople can relate to your story.
And that is of course, PamelaZhan, right, raise your name.
Yes. But Pam was gonna give forshort, right? Yes. As we were
talking about that off the air,as I'm Jay but Jason and I saw
him in trouble with my wife or,or my mother or something. But
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But Pam, you have an incrediblestory. Before we get to that. So
how you feel and you just got upthere. You're getting ready to
do the speech in front ofrodeos? I feel pretty good.
Pretty good. Yeah, I'm nervous.But excited. You know? So
nervous. For what? For the forthe eyes on? Yeah, just just to
give the speech? What's, what'sthe jitters? And therefore? I
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don't know, I really don't know,just, I guess, you know, the
overall experience? Yeah, prettymuch. You know, I, I don't know,
I think I'm more nervous. Youknow, I asked my mom, like, that
was my big thing. I was like,Mom, how do you feel about me
doing this? Like, you know,you're gonna be there? And just
how do you feel? And she waslike, you know, if you want to
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do it, just go out there and doit. You know, she was like, it's
your life experience. And, youknow, I feel like you're gonna
be helping somebody. So just doit is that so? That's why I'd
like to ask the other two beforeyou. So why did you want to put
your name in the running for thepresidential award and be one of
the speakers.
I was just hoping I could helpsomebody. You know, that was my
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main thing. If I could just helpone person out there. You know,
that's my goal in life is tohelp somebody so when you're
talking about how it because thepeople that are listening right
now don't know exactly yourbackground yet, because I
haven't really given the bio,they might have seen your story
on the website and stuff. Sowhen you're talking about help
somebody where does that comefrom? to that? It's obviously it
comes from your story, so whydon't you go ahead and share it.
So
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for a long, long time, Isuffered from alcoholism and
addiction. And it took me down adeep dark path. I was
incarcerated for
three years, three months and 30days.
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I was in
and Noemi hand correctionalfacility. And I, you know, I
could have took to, to, youknow, I could have went and, you
know, just did whatever drugsand alcohol came in there. Or I
could have, you know, decided tochange my life rounds. And I, I
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decided to change my life round.You know, I worked hard every
single day I was in there tochange my life round. And, you
know, I came out and juststarted my life round, I'd had
three goals. And, you know, mythree goals were to stay sober,
volunteer, and come back toschool and graduate and get my
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drug and alcohol counselingcertificate and my associates
and Human Services. And rightnow I'm graduating with my drug
and alcohol counselingcertificate. And then next
semester, I'll get my associatesin human services. So
I'm doing the volunteering. Yes,I'm volunteering. I sold her
souls and then also at friendsfor Burlington County Animal
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Shelter. Yeah. So and I'm sobernow for six years that we seven
years in March. So that's,that's awesome stuff. I know. I
said, I've been personallyaffected, I lost my brother law
to it. I've seen my friends likeyourself in and out of jail, but
they got themselves backtogether. My wife is getting
ready to graduate now with themasters and Ruckers. So I get to
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hear stories, I get chills aboutit, because it touches I know a
lot of people that are trulyaffected with yourself. I know
the struggle that you're goingthrough and I'm kind of getting
emotional myself. Because I'veseen what they went through. And
it's it's not easy, right? Noteasy. So everyday you wake up
and you still it's you neverknow you're gonna slip up. But
you're not. You're doingeverything else. That's great.
And I think that's what it couldbe like that's someone that's
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here in that audience. So likeyou said, not so much a student
but getting your voice out thereand I'm so glad that you put
yourself in the running tobecome you know, Presidential
Award winner and here you arenow you're in front of everybody
else. You're sharing your story.We're warming Yup. Going through
your speech trying to get to youknow, to deliver. So, I guess
it's a softball. Easy question,though, because you could chose
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anything, obviously.
You wanted to get better, butwhen you're going back to get
education, go back to schooltrying to figure yourself out.
But you specifically chose, likethe drug and alcohol addiction
certification, and we're goingfor why?
Um, you know, I've been
in these people's shoes. I'vebeen through the ups and downs,
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you know, and I feel a personalconnection to these people. And
I feel like I can help them eachand every day. I just
I, you know,
it's me sitting there. Yes. Youknow, yeah, in many ways, you
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know, and it's tough forsomebody else on that side, that
they're getting their drug andalcohol addiction certification
or guidance counselors andstuff. But did they were they
incarcerated? Right? Are they injail? Are they on the streets
doing that? Maybe they weren't.Maybe they weren't. You weren't?
Like you said, you were thatperson. So you know how that
person is definitely goingthrough live in that daily
battle. You know, I was in I wasin rehab one time. And,
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um, I was sitting there, youknow, and I knew about AAA and
having how important a is insomebody's recovery. And I was
going to AAA all the time. And Iwas so into AAA. And one of the
counselors looked at me, andsaid to me, so when are you
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going to stop going to AAA, andI looked at her, and I said, You
don't ever stop going to AAA,you're gonna always go to AAA.
And then she said,
Oh, I thought you should juststop going. And I'm like,
looking at her. And like, inyour counselor, you're like a
counselor in this field. And youjust say, you can stop going?
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No, that's you don't ever stopgoing. And I just looked at her
like, and I'm thinking, youknow, I'm just thinking in my
head, like, I don't think youshouldn't be in this field lady,
like, No, and it's not somethingyou just stopped doing, you
know? And that's, I sent him myspeech, Emily, and I said, you
know, when I talked aboutsobriety, I said, that's
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something that's going to be,you know, is going to be a goal
of mine forever, it's nevergoing to stop, you know, it's
going to be an ongoing goal ofmine for the rest of my life.
Yeah. And I think that alsomight have might have inspired
even more to go here and getyour degree and do that, because
you'd be like, I need to bebetter than that person, go, be
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that account, that type ofcounselor and stuff. So here you
are.
So what I guess is next, youhave a particular place, you
want to go to a particularorganization, or, you know,
what's the next chapter, so I'mdoing my internship and an
outpatient rehab called SolSystem Pemberton. So I'm doing
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my internship there. I'm alsogoing, like I said, I'm getting
my associates in human services.So here, and then I'm, I'm going
to be going on for mybachelor's. And
I'm hoping fingers crossed, thatsources will just hire me on but
I do want to continue for myBachelor's, and just continue on
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up the ladder, you know, fromthere, and I'm hoping sources
will hire me on I do want tocontinue on for my masters. I
want to get licensed, licensed,um, you know, and just continue
on with my education and justfollow up on the ladder. It's
awesome, you know? Yeah, it's,it's an incredible story from
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where you were, to where you'regoing, you know, where you're
here now and where you'reobviously going. Lifelong
learning, as they say, so Iguess rcbc prepare you well
enough to get to twocornerstones. Yeah, of course.
I'm favorite moment. Anythingteacher? Yeah. Brian, Brian, a
cedar. My favorite. I'm also thepresident of the Human Services
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club. And she's, she's the
what, what do you call it? She'sthe leader of that, you know,
when I was helping you out, soand she's been my teacher in
almost every human servicesclass that I've had.
And she, she's the one that gotme to apply for the speaker.
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thing. I was like, really on thefence about it, but she was
like, just go for it. You'rereally going to help somebody
and she's given me a lot of myconfidence.
A lot of my confidence
you know, she's stuck behind methrough a lot. And you know,
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she's just
Great. Yeah, I think thebeautiful thing about rcbc is
you have a lot more kind of likeone on one, interpersonal
relationships compared to like abig school, right? It's like,
they take you in as your own.And it's good to see that and
kind of see you in your face.It's kind of hard to describe
when you're on a podcast andsuch, but you know, just a few
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days, you know, you're going to,you know, she's going to help
you and get to that point, oryou're going to speak in front
of a lot of your peers, youknow, even get that message out
there. It's an incredible storyto share. And I'm glad you're
able to, you know, come on theprogram pod here. So, some
parting words for your fellowclassmates, you know, to like
something inspirational, you'dlike to save your fellow
classmates or even I said, asyou said before, Off mic doesn't
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necessarily have to be astudent, it could be someone
listening out there, what wouldyou like to say? Just do it and
just realize you can do anythingno matter what it is that you're
trying to do? And life is worthit. And sobriety is worth it.
And
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yeah, life is worth it. Nomatter what, no matter what it
is, that you're going through,you can get through it one day
at a time, one second at a time,one moment in time. And you
truly are a living example ofit. You said you could have went
the other way. And you didn't.I'm proud of you. Thank you. You
know, that means a lot. Thankyou so much. I'm glad. I'm glad
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you can see that. Yes, yeah. Soyou're here. I'm happy for you
before I start crying in themic.
Again, I'm so happy for you. Andthanks for coming on the show. I
look forward to seeing you giveyour speech on Wednesday. And
once again, thanks for comingon. Thank you very much up man
talk about emotions right there.I mean, seriously chills, you
know, almost crying in front ofher. But Pam with such an
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incredible story and justinspirational story for others
who might be battling their owndemons. And of course, she
crushed it during her speech atthe Winter Commencement, which
we'll hear a clip from shortly.But for now, let's take it down
to our marketing intern Eli, whohad a chance to catch up with
some of those students, beforethe liberal arts ceremony was
about to take place. My name isEli, I'm here with Tyler
barrier. Cool. And then youmentioned that you took classes
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online. While here rcbc, can youspeak more on that and how the
experience really was for you?Yeah, I've, my first time on
campus was to pick my cap andgown up. I have been online for
the past two and a half years.And for me, it was awesome. I've
been able to work full time, Iam a full time wife about to
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have a baby. So for me, I'vebeen able to, you know, continue
my education, but also continue,you know, providing for what I
need to do in my life. So it'sbeen an awesome experience and
the staff has been awesome. Andstill getting to know peers
online is still just as awesome.That's really great to hear. And
more on that. Is it somethingthat you would recommend to your
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fellow to fellow friends orfellow rcbc students to do given
the flexibility and convenienceof it allows you to do other
things part of your life? Yeah,I definitely think having a good
plan is key. It'll help you stayon track and also utilizing your
advisors. Without them Iprobably would be way far
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behind. So just stayingmotivated, and having a drive to
because it's all on your own tobe able to do it. So, but I
really recommend it. I think itwas awesome. Awesome. It's great
to hear. And then what was whatwould you say given that you had
such a unique experience? Idon't know how well you be able
to answer this question. Butwhat piece of advice would you
give to fellow RCC graduates?
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Based on your rcbc experience asa whole? Yeah, do you have
anything to say on that? I wouldsay
the experience was great. It'sstraightforward, close to home.
If you're coming to school, youknow, you'll know some faces
from high school. But if you'reonline, you know you can
coordinate where if you neededto come to school, but just work
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on what you're really interestedin. And if you need to take a
break to figure it out. Schoolwill be there for you. So it's
okay. Thank you so much. My nameis Eli. I'm here with Rob. Rob,
a guy asked you Well, first andforemost, congratulations. I
want to ask you what would yousay is the most memorable thing
that you have more species willtake with you from life? Sure, I
would say the Student SuccessCenter. I felt like that really
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helped me out a lot. You gotrcbc and it really helped
prepare me for the future. Sothat's what I would say I'm most
grateful for would you saymajority of your relationships
and bonds did you create duringyour time here rcbc came from
the SEC or inside the classroomoutside the classroom? What
would you say on that? Yeah, Iwould say definitely the
classrooms where I found mostrelationships with people. I'm
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just really people with the sameage as me. I found it was really
easy to get along with them.Gotcha. Gotcha. Would you say so
this is your second fourth yearhere. Are you graduate for
associate's bachelor's fromthree plus one worse, so I'm
graduating with an associate'sin Business Administration and I
transferred it
Drexel University, who obviouslyhas a stigmatism behind your
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community college and you'reopposed to regular four year
institutions, would you say thisreally Metro expectations
surpass them? What would you sayon that? Obviously, it
definitely surpassed myexpectations. You know, there
definitely is a stigma behindCommunity College. I think it's
such a great thing to beinvolved with. You know, it's a
great way to save money. It's agreat way to academically get
ahead. And overall, I justreally enjoyed my experience
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here. Yeah. Appreciateappreciate it. And then last but
not least, I got asked you, whatwould you say is some advice to
get the fellow graduates orupcoming graduates who are going
to be in your shoes soonerrather than later? Sure. I
always say just just getinvolved with the school. I feel
like that was something I didn'treally
utilize as much as I wish I did.You know, just get involved with
clubs, find a good group ofpeople. That definitely makes it
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a lot more enjoyable. Iappreciate it. But once again,
congratulations. Yeah, bro.Appreciate it. Great work from
Eli right there and lovedhearing that story about the
full time wife who was expectinga baby on the way but also never
stepping foot on campus, becauseall our courses are online, but
she finally did when she wasable to arrive here and achieve
her degree. So way to go, mom.But now as promised, let's hear
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a few clips from the liberalarts commencement including some
stand up comedy content from ourvery own rcbc. President, Dr.
Michael COC has everybody doing.
I can't hear you.
So
we have a friendly wager. We'retrying to see which group is
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going to be the loudest and mymoney was on this group. So I
need you to not disappoint meand this is the third ceremony
that we're doing today.
My name is Mike COC. I have thedistinct pleasure of serving as
the president here, RowanCollege, Burlington County. And
I would like to welcome everyoneto our CBCs first ever winter
graduation ceremony
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First off,
welcome to the graduates,faculty members, and
distinguished guests, and helloto anybody watching at home or
in the Student Success Centerafter more than 50 years of
strictly holding ceremoniesduring the springtime.
Why am I standing here on a coldDecember Wednesday night? Well,
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for starters, the class askedfor the smartest administrator
to speak but they declined.
The class then asked the bestlooking administrator to speak,
but they declined.
Then they asked the most popularadministrator to speak but they
too declined.
When they asked me, I said I'vealready declined three times but
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you guys who are persistent.
Okay, next up, we are going tohear from a very impressive
Baron. Every graduate in thisroom has persevered through
their own obstacles in life.Pamela Zhan had to come back
from a very dark combination ofaddiction and incarceration.
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While in prison, Pam chose toreclaim her life through
sobriety, education and a questto help others struggling with
addiction.
She made a three pronged planthat she will share with you
shortly. We're thrilled thatrcbc was a part of that plan. As
Pam has been a vital communitymember as the human services
club president and an academicaward recipient.
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Pam has been instrumental inmany initiatives to help the
community such as collectingfeminine hygiene products for
women in need,
helping rcbc to be stigma free,and volunteering with the
Friends of the Burlington CountyAnimal Shelter, to advocate for
animals.
All of us encounter challengesin the journey of life. And I'm
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heartened that Pam will shareher story as an example that we
can always persevere and headtowards a better place. Please
welcome President's Award winnerPamela Zhan.
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esteemed faculty, proud parentsand family, and most
importantly, the resilientgraduates before me. Today is a
monumentous occasion, a day ofcelebration, achievement and new
beginnings. As we look to thefuture, it is only fitting that
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we reflect on the journey thathas brought us here and to
consider the path that liesahead. Life, as we know, is an
unpredictable journey with highsand lows, twists and turns. Each
one of you has faced your ownunique set of challenges,
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overcome obstacles and emergestronger. It is this ability to
confront
adversity head on, that definesyour character and sets you
apart.
My story also includes times ofadversity, brought on by life's
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challenges and the consequencesof my actions.
I suffered from alcoholism andaddiction from a very young age.
My addiction took me to places Inever thought I would go,
including prison andinstitutions.
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And my addiction also turned meinto a person, I never thought I
would become a person who wasunrecognizable. Even to my
mother who raised me.
I remember my mom begging meover and over again, for the
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real Pamela, the Pamela she knewand raised to come back.
My life was so low for a long,long time, that I truly believe
that that Pamela was long gone,never to return.
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I believed that I did notdeserve a better life than the
life I was living at that time.
I can say that almost each andevery day of those long,
horrible, sad years of my life,I wanted to die.
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I no longer had the will, or thewants, or even the love for
myself to live anymore.President COC wasn't joking when
he said rcbc graduates arepersistent. I am honored to
share my story. But I know it'sjust one example of the grit
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inside each one of us.
None of us would have succeededwithout grit and the hope that
we can persevere. I have to holdon to hope. Hope is what keeps
us going. The dream for a betterfuture helps us to move forward
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despite the challenges we face.As we embark on the next chapter
of our lives. Let's maintain asteadfast sense of hope.
Graduates, let's carry with usthe lessons learned, the
strengths gained, and the hopethat fuels our spirits.
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Congratulations, class of 2023May your journey be filled with
purpose, passion, and onparalleled success.
Thank you for giving it up forPAM. Thank you Pamela. You're a
great example of the promisingfuture for the class of 2023.
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Congratulations to the membersof the Class of 2023 graduates
Let us applaud the faculty andstaff who have worked tirelessly
to prepare the next generationof leaders
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have the family and friends inthe audience who have supported
you or graduates every step oftheir long journey
and one final round of applausefor our graduates
congratulations on youraccomplishment.
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I told you this was gonna be theloudest crew. I told you.
I knew it.
You guys did not disappoint. Youdid not disappoint. Thank you
did not disappoint indeed isthat liberal arts crowd was
fired up. I mean, do you hearthem screaming and of course,
you know, presidency OC kind ofegging them on cheering them on.
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But yeah, they were fired up.Also, if you want to hear
Pamela's entire presidentialaward winner speech, or watch
the entire commencement which wejust kind of heard some clips
from you can go to our CBCYouTube page and check it out
right there. Meanwhile, thatfired up crowd would continue
that same energy over in aStudent Success Center where
Family and friends gathered withtheir recent graduates for some
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snacks, some selfies and othercelebratory things which are
marketing intern Eli was onceagain able to catch up with a
few more students about theirwinter commencement experience.
My name is new. I've justwrapped up the liberal arts
ceremony. I'm here with Koyuki.How are you feeling
postgraduation? And morethoughts going through your
mind? How are you feeling?Overall? What's really going on?
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I'm blanking out. I'll behonest. I blanked out. I blanked
out. Um, but it's done onedegrees done. I'm just wrapping
up my other one. Do you knowwhat your future is looking like
after hours to see any plans youhave in mind or anything that
any goals you have to achieve?I'm hoping to transfer to Temple
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University Japan, hopefully,
to continue my art degree.Super, super cool. I love that.
Love that. And then if you hadto give any advice to your
fellow graduates, or people whoare going through graduating or
going to be in your shoes, whatadvice would you give? Um, just
go for it. Like don't, don'tkeep hugging the walls, you're
not gonna get anywhere. So justjust go for it. My name is Eli.
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I'm here with Augustine. How youfeeling postgraduation? What's
going through your mind rightnow? Thoughts, feelings, what
was happening? I do not feel areally good. I'm just excited to
end this chapter in my life andgo on to a new chapter. And I'm
excited to see the things thathad to come. So so our speaker,
new chapters, what's the planafter rcbc? If there's anything
that you have lined up already,or a goal that you're looking to
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accomplish? What would you sayis really next, for your future.
So right now, I'm planning onactually transferring out to a
college down in Virginia Beachin two and a half weeks, and I'm
going to pursue a bachelor'sdegree in government pre law,
and I'm aiming to get my lawdegree and go to law school.
That's a stop. And then last butnot least, Boettcher says a
piece of advice that you wouldgive to fellow graduates or
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people who are going to begraduating soon, will be in your
shoes sooner rather than later.Piece of advice that I would
give to my fellow graduates orat anybody graduating soon, just
keep your head on yourshoulders. Keep persevering
through the hard times. And younotice always achieve your goals
and looked for a brighter futurebecause you'll know what's gonna
come next. Appreciate it, bro.Thank you so much.
Congratulations, as well. Myname is Eli. I'm here with
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Adriani. Ronnie, okay, how youfeeling postgraduation? What
thoughts feelings are goingthrough your head right now? How
you feeling in general? Well, inthe beginning, I was not going
to Okay. But you know, associatedegrees. One more step from my
ladder, and every step of herlife, you should be celebrating.
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And now that I'm herecelebrating my heart's pumping,
I'm so proud of myself and formy family, also their work. Also
with me to be where am i rightnow? And yes, love that. I love
that. And then what would yousay what obstacles or challenges
you faced or rcbc really helpedshape where you are now and help
take with you life lessons thatyou take with you not only
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inside the classroom, butoutside the classroom as well?
Well, I think it'd be moreengaged with the school and get
to know more, you're the staffthat is at school actually
helped me a lot. Because thenyou know where to go, you can
focus more in the past is kindof easier when you know where
you have to go. And beingengaged will help me the last
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but not least, what piece ofadvice would you give to your
fellow graduates, or people whoare soon to graduate who will be
in your shoes sooner rather thanlater? Working hard, it's tough
in the time, it's tough, itdon't socialize as much. But in
the end, when they said yourname and hire owner, it's
amazing. So I feel verycomfortable and good. That
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everything I have been done sofar was way worse. So work hard
is what I can say. But don'ttake hard on you. Perfect.
Perfect. All right. Thank you somuch. Congratulations once again
as well. Yep. Take care ofHello, my name is Eli. I'm here
with Jamie. Jamie. So how are wefeeling after graduation? We're
thoughts, feelings that goingthrough your mind right now? How
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are you feeling? Overall? I'mvery excited six and a half
years of working on this. Andfinally I accomplished it.
Single mom of two and I stillmanage. So I hope for them. It
shows that even if they decideto take, you know, a couple
years off, they're still able toAwesome, awesome. How would you
say like some of the obstaclesyou faced while here rcbc Your
struggles really helped shapewhere you are now and helped you
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get to this point, and help youreally take some life lessons
with you as well. So all myclasses were online, I worked a
full time 40 hour job sometimes52 hours a week also while
raising them. And honestly Dr. Cand Professor Rizzo were the
ones who still manage to find away to connect with the students
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even though we were all virtual.I love that. Love that. And then
last but not least, what pieceof advice would you give to your
fellow graduates or upcominggraduates?
Just enjoy
enrol. Just keep going, don'tgive up. It doesn't matter how
long it takes for you to getthere. Eventually you'll get
there and you'll feel soaccomplished. Thanks so much,
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Jamie, take care ofcongratulations. Just keep
going. Indeed, it's as simple asthat. And thanks again to Eli
for speaking with rcbc studentsand helping to share their
stories and experiences whileattending rcbc. And loved
hearing. Jamie, the singlemother of two working 50 hours a
week while also working oneducation, which she finally
achieved. So being a new dad, Iknow how tough that can be. And
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that's what's my wife helpingout. So bravo to you, Jamie and
everyone else out there whograduated. But with that our
inaugural rcbc WinterCommencement coverage on the
program pod has come to an endfor this three part series. I do
want to congratulate Pamela's ononce again for her presidential
award winner honors and thefantastic speech that she gave,
and Congrats to all the liberalarts Winter Commencement
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graduates, you earned it, youdeserved it and you rock but if
you out there, the listener areinterested in learning more
about the liberal arts programat rcbc. And everything it has
to offer, you can check outrcbc.edu. Also, if you've missed
any of the previous commencementcoverage here or other programs
featured on the program pod,they're available now at
rcbc.edu/program dashpot. Orwherever you get your podcast as
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they say a lot of cool thingscheck out there I promise you
that but for now, thanks forlistening. This is Jay Varga and
I'll be talking to you soon.Cheers.
Welcome to the program pod a national award winning
program on the rcbc PodcastNetwork, which takes a deep dive
into the programs offered atrcbc. through different
perspectives of students,faculty and employers. Alright,
and last but certainly notleast, whenever other and final
presidential award winners herefor rcbc commencement, the first
ever that taking place, during awinter, we're going to be
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combining all three ceremonies.Usually we break it out over a
couple of days, but it's goingto be Wednesday, December 20. So
whenever you're listening to theplug, the podcasts or the
program pod here on the podcast,is that you know, we have
liberal arts stem, and howscientists, even adult basic
education is going to be in themix. But we already spoke with
two presidential winners. Andnow I have the other one who's
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got a story that I canpersonally relate to. We've
heard one kind of similar acouple years past, I had another
student because there's so manypeople can relate to your story.
And that is of course, PamelaZhan, right, raise your name.
Yes. But Pam was gonna give forshort, right? Yes. As we were
talking about that off the air,as I'm Jay but Jason and I saw
him in trouble with my wife or,or my mother or something. But
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But Pam, you have an incrediblestory. Before we get to that. So
how you feel and you just got upthere. You're getting ready to
do the speech in front ofrodeos? I feel pretty good.
Pretty good. Yeah, I'm nervous.But excited. You know? So
nervous. For what? For the forthe eyes on? Yeah, just just to
give the speech? What's, what'sthe jitters? And therefore? I
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don't know, I really don't know,just, I guess, you know, the
overall experience? Yeah, prettymuch. You know, I, I don't know,
I think I'm more nervous. Youknow, I asked my mom, like, that
was my big thing. I was like,Mom, how do you feel about me
doing this? Like, you know,you're gonna be there? And just
how do you feel? And she waslike, you know, if you want to
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do it, just go out there and doit. You know, she was like, it's
your life experience. And, youknow, I feel like you're gonna
be helping somebody. So just doit is that so? That's why I'd
like to ask the other two beforeyou. So why did you want to put
your name in the running for thepresidential award and be one of
the speakers.
I was just hoping I could helpsomebody. You know, that was my
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main thing. If I could just helpone person out there. You know,
that's my goal in life is tohelp somebody so when you're
talking about how it because thepeople that are listening right
now don't know exactly yourbackground yet, because I
haven't really given the bio,they might have seen your story
on the website and stuff. Sowhen you're talking about help
somebody where does that comefrom? to that? It's obviously it
comes from your story, so whydon't you go ahead and share it.
So
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for a long, long time, Isuffered from alcoholism and
addiction. And it took me down adeep dark path. I was
incarcerated for
three years, three months and 30days.
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I was in
and Noemi hand correctionalfacility. And I, you know, I
could have took to, to, youknow, I could have went and, you
know, just did whatever drugsand alcohol came in there. Or I
could have, you know, decided tochange my life rounds. And I, I
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decided to change my life round.You know, I worked hard every
single day I was in there tochange my life round. And, you
know, I came out and juststarted my life round, I'd had
three goals. And, you know, mythree goals were to stay sober,
volunteer, and come back toschool and graduate and get my
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drug and alcohol counselingcertificate and my associates
and Human Services. And rightnow I'm graduating with my drug
and alcohol counselingcertificate. And then next
semester, I'll get my associatesin human services. So
I'm doing the volunteering. Yes,I'm volunteering. I sold her
souls and then also at friendsfor Burlington County Animal
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Shelter. Yeah. So and I'm sobernow for six years that we seven
years in March. So that's,that's awesome stuff. I know. I
said, I've been personallyaffected, I lost my brother law
to it. I've seen my friends likeyourself in and out of jail, but
they got themselves backtogether. My wife is getting
ready to graduate now with themasters and Ruckers. So I get to
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hear stories, I get chills aboutit, because it touches I know a
lot of people that are trulyaffected with yourself. I know
the struggle that you're goingthrough and I'm kind of getting
emotional myself. Because I'veseen what they went through. And
it's it's not easy, right? Noteasy. So everyday you wake up
and you still it's you neverknow you're gonna slip up. But
you're not. You're doingeverything else. That's great.
And I think that's what it couldbe like that's someone that's
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here in that audience. So likeyou said, not so much a student
but getting your voice out thereand I'm so glad that you put
yourself in the running tobecome you know, Presidential
Award winner and here you arenow you're in front of everybody
else. You're sharing your story.We're warming Yup. Going through
your speech trying to get to youknow, to deliver. So, I guess
it's a softball. Easy question,though, because you could chose
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anything, obviously.
You wanted to get better, butwhen you're going back to get
education, go back to schooltrying to figure yourself out.
But you specifically chose, likethe drug and alcohol addiction
certification, and we're goingfor why?
Um, you know, I've been
in these people's shoes. I'vebeen through the ups and downs,
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you know, and I feel a personalconnection to these people. And
I feel like I can help them eachand every day. I just
I, you know,
it's me sitting there. Yes. Youknow, yeah, in many ways, you
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know, and it's tough forsomebody else on that side, that
they're getting their drug andalcohol addiction certification
or guidance counselors andstuff. But did they were they
incarcerated? Right? Are they injail? Are they on the streets
doing that? Maybe they weren't.Maybe they weren't. You weren't?
Like you said, you were thatperson. So you know how that
person is definitely goingthrough live in that daily
battle. You know, I was in I wasin rehab one time. And,
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um, I was sitting there, youknow, and I knew about AAA and
having how important a is insomebody's recovery. And I was
going to AAA all the time. And Iwas so into AAA. And one of the
counselors looked at me, andsaid to me, so when are you
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going to stop going to AAA, andI looked at her, and I said, You
don't ever stop going to AAA,you're gonna always go to AAA.
And then she said,
Oh, I thought you should juststop going. And I'm like,
looking at her. And like, inyour counselor, you're like a
counselor in this field. And youjust say, you can stop going?
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No, that's you don't ever stopgoing. And I just looked at her
like, and I'm thinking, youknow, I'm just thinking in my
head, like, I don't think youshouldn't be in this field lady,
like, No, and it's not somethingyou just stopped doing, you
know? And that's, I sent him myspeech, Emily, and I said, you
know, when I talked aboutsobriety, I said, that's
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something that's going to be,you know, is going to be a goal
of mine forever, it's nevergoing to stop, you know, it's
going to be an ongoing goal ofmine for the rest of my life.
Yeah. And I think that alsomight have might have inspired
even more to go here and getyour degree and do that, because
you'd be like, I need to bebetter than that person, go, be
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that account, that type ofcounselor and stuff. So here you
are.
So what I guess is next, youhave a particular place, you
want to go to a particularorganization, or, you know,
what's the next chapter, so I'mdoing my internship and an
outpatient rehab called SolSystem Pemberton. So I'm doing
(08:01):
my internship there. I'm alsogoing, like I said, I'm getting
my associates in human services.So here, and then I'm, I'm going
to be going on for mybachelor's. And
I'm hoping fingers crossed, thatsources will just hire me on but
I do want to continue for myBachelor's, and just continue on
(08:27):
up the ladder, you know, fromthere, and I'm hoping sources
will hire me on I do want tocontinue on for my masters. I
want to get licensed, licensed,um, you know, and just continue
on with my education and justfollow up on the ladder. It's
awesome, you know? Yeah, it's,it's an incredible story from
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where you were, to where you'regoing, you know, where you're
here now and where you'reobviously going. Lifelong
learning, as they say, so Iguess rcbc prepare you well
enough to get to twocornerstones. Yeah, of course.
I'm favorite moment. Anythingteacher? Yeah. Brian, Brian, a
cedar. My favorite. I'm also thepresident of the Human Services
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club. And she's, she's the
what, what do you call it? She'sthe leader of that, you know,
when I was helping you out, soand she's been my teacher in
almost every human servicesclass that I've had.
And she, she's the one that gotme to apply for the speaker.
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thing. I was like, really on thefence about it, but she was
like, just go for it. You'rereally going to help somebody
and she's given me a lot of myconfidence.
A lot of my confidence
you know, she's stuck behind methrough a lot. And you know,
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she's just
Great. Yeah, I think thebeautiful thing about rcbc is
you have a lot more kind of likeone on one, interpersonal
relationships compared to like abig school, right? It's like,
they take you in as your own.And it's good to see that and
kind of see you in your face.It's kind of hard to describe
when you're on a podcast andsuch, but you know, just a few
(10:19):
days, you know, you're going to,you know, she's going to help
you and get to that point, oryou're going to speak in front
of a lot of your peers, youknow, even get that message out
there. It's an incredible storyto share. And I'm glad you're
able to, you know, come on theprogram pod here. So, some
parting words for your fellowclassmates, you know, to like
something inspirational, you'dlike to save your fellow
classmates or even I said, asyou said before, Off mic doesn't
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necessarily have to be astudent, it could be someone
listening out there, what wouldyou like to say? Just do it and
just realize you can do anythingno matter what it is that you're
trying to do? And life is worthit. And sobriety is worth it.
And
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yeah, life is worth it. Nomatter what, no matter what it
is, that you're going through,you can get through it one day
at a time, one second at a time,one moment in time. And you
truly are a living example ofit. You said you could have went
the other way. And you didn't.I'm proud of you. Thank you. You
know, that means a lot. Thankyou so much. I'm glad. I'm glad
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you can see that. Yes, yeah. Soyou're here. I'm happy for you
before I start crying in themic.
Again, I'm so happy for you. Andthanks for coming on the show. I
look forward to seeing you giveyour speech on Wednesday. And
once again, thanks for comingon. Thank you very much up man
talk about emotions right there.I mean, seriously chills, you
know, almost crying in front ofher. But Pam with such an
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incredible story and justinspirational story for others
who might be battling their owndemons. And of course, she
crushed it during her speech atthe Winter Commencement, which
we'll hear a clip from shortly.But for now, let's take it down
to our marketing intern Eli, whohad a chance to catch up with
some of those students, beforethe liberal arts ceremony was
about to take place. My name isEli, I'm here with Tyler
barrier. Cool. And then youmentioned that you took classes
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online. While here rcbc, can youspeak more on that and how the
experience really was for you?Yeah, I've, my first time on
campus was to pick my cap andgown up. I have been online for
the past two and a half years.And for me, it was awesome. I've
been able to work full time, Iam a full time wife about to
(12:32):
have a baby. So for me, I'vebeen able to, you know, continue
my education, but also continue,you know, providing for what I
need to do in my life. So it'sbeen an awesome experience and
the staff has been awesome. Andstill getting to know peers
online is still just as awesome.That's really great to hear. And
more on that. Is it somethingthat you would recommend to your
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fellow to fellow friends orfellow rcbc students to do given
the flexibility and convenienceof it allows you to do other
things part of your life? Yeah,I definitely think having a good
plan is key. It'll help you stayon track and also utilizing your
advisors. Without them Iprobably would be way far
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behind. So just stayingmotivated, and having a drive to
because it's all on your own tobe able to do it. So, but I
really recommend it. I think itwas awesome. Awesome. It's great
to hear. And then what was whatwould you say given that you had
such a unique experience? Idon't know how well you be able
to answer this question. Butwhat piece of advice would you
give to fellow RCC graduates?
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Based on your rcbc experience asa whole? Yeah, do you have
anything to say on that? I wouldsay
the experience was great. It'sstraightforward, close to home.
If you're coming to school, youknow, you'll know some faces
from high school. But if you'reonline, you know you can
coordinate where if you neededto come to school, but just work
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on what you're really interestedin. And if you need to take a
break to figure it out. Schoolwill be there for you. So it's
okay. Thank you so much. My nameis Eli. I'm here with Rob. Rob,
a guy asked you Well, first andforemost, congratulations. I
want to ask you what would yousay is the most memorable thing
that you have more species willtake with you from life? Sure, I
would say the Student SuccessCenter. I felt like that really
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helped me out a lot. You gotrcbc and it really helped
prepare me for the future. Sothat's what I would say I'm most
grateful for would you saymajority of your relationships
and bonds did you create duringyour time here rcbc came from
the SEC or inside the classroomoutside the classroom? What
would you say on that? Yeah, Iwould say definitely the
classrooms where I found mostrelationships with people. I'm
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just really people with the sameage as me. I found it was really
easy to get along with them.Gotcha. Gotcha. Would you say so
this is your second fourth yearhere. Are you graduate for
associate's bachelor's fromthree plus one worse, so I'm
graduating with an associate'sin Business Administration and I
transferred it
Drexel University, who obviouslyhas a stigmatism behind your
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community college and you'reopposed to regular four year
institutions, would you say thisreally Metro expectations
surpass them? What would you sayon that? Obviously, it
definitely surpassed myexpectations. You know, there
definitely is a stigma behindCommunity College. I think it's
such a great thing to beinvolved with. You know, it's a
great way to save money. It's agreat way to academically get
ahead. And overall, I justreally enjoyed my experience
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here. Yeah. Appreciateappreciate it. And then last but
not least, I got asked you, whatwould you say is some advice to
get the fellow graduates orupcoming graduates who are going
to be in your shoes soonerrather than later? Sure. I
always say just just getinvolved with the school. I feel
like that was something I didn'treally
utilize as much as I wish I did.You know, just get involved with
clubs, find a good group ofpeople. That definitely makes it
(15:47):
a lot more enjoyable. Iappreciate it. But once again,
congratulations. Yeah, bro.Appreciate it. Great work from
Eli right there and lovedhearing that story about the
full time wife who was expectinga baby on the way but also never
stepping foot on campus, becauseall our courses are online, but
she finally did when she wasable to arrive here and achieve
her degree. So way to go, mom.But now as promised, let's hear
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a few clips from the liberalarts commencement including some
stand up comedy content from ourvery own rcbc. President, Dr.
Michael COC has everybody doing.
I can't hear you.
So
we have a friendly wager. We'retrying to see which group is
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going to be the loudest and mymoney was on this group. So I
need you to not disappoint meand this is the third ceremony
that we're doing today.
My name is Mike COC. I have thedistinct pleasure of serving as
the president here, RowanCollege, Burlington County. And
I would like to welcome everyoneto our CBCs first ever winter
graduation ceremony
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First off,
welcome to the graduates,faculty members, and
distinguished guests, and helloto anybody watching at home or
in the Student Success Centerafter more than 50 years of
strictly holding ceremoniesduring the springtime.
Why am I standing here on a coldDecember Wednesday night? Well,
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for starters, the class askedfor the smartest administrator
to speak but they declined.
The class then asked the bestlooking administrator to speak,
but they declined.
Then they asked the most popularadministrator to speak but they
too declined.
When they asked me, I said I'vealready declined three times but
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you guys who are persistent.
Okay, next up, we are going tohear from a very impressive
Baron. Every graduate in thisroom has persevered through
their own obstacles in life.Pamela Zhan had to come back
from a very dark combination ofaddiction and incarceration.
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While in prison, Pam chose toreclaim her life through
sobriety, education and a questto help others struggling with
addiction.
She made a three pronged planthat she will share with you
shortly. We're thrilled thatrcbc was a part of that plan. As
Pam has been a vital communitymember as the human services
club president and an academicaward recipient.
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Pam has been instrumental inmany initiatives to help the
community such as collectingfeminine hygiene products for
women in need,
helping rcbc to be stigma free,and volunteering with the
Friends of the Burlington CountyAnimal Shelter, to advocate for
animals.
All of us encounter challengesin the journey of life. And I'm
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heartened that Pam will shareher story as an example that we
can always persevere and headtowards a better place. Please
welcome President's Award winnerPamela Zhan.
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esteemed faculty, proud parentsand family, and most
importantly, the resilientgraduates before me. Today is a
monumentous occasion, a day ofcelebration, achievement and new
beginnings. As we look to thefuture, it is only fitting that
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we reflect on the journey thathas brought us here and to
consider the path that liesahead. Life, as we know, is an
unpredictable journey with highsand lows, twists and turns. Each
one of you has faced your ownunique set of challenges,
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overcome obstacles and emergestronger. It is this ability to
confront
adversity head on, that definesyour character and sets you
apart.
My story also includes times ofadversity, brought on by life's
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challenges and the consequencesof my actions.
I suffered from alcoholism andaddiction from a very young age.
My addiction took me to places Inever thought I would go,
including prison andinstitutions.
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And my addiction also turned meinto a person, I never thought I
would become a person who wasunrecognizable. Even to my
mother who raised me.
I remember my mom begging meover and over again, for the
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real Pamela, the Pamela she knewand raised to come back.
My life was so low for a long,long time, that I truly believe
that that Pamela was long gone,never to return.
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I believed that I did notdeserve a better life than the
life I was living at that time.
I can say that almost each andevery day of those long,
horrible, sad years of my life,I wanted to die.
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I no longer had the will, or thewants, or even the love for
myself to live anymore.President COC wasn't joking when
he said rcbc graduates arepersistent. I am honored to
share my story. But I know it'sjust one example of the grit
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inside each one of us.
None of us would have succeededwithout grit and the hope that
we can persevere. I have to holdon to hope. Hope is what keeps
us going. The dream for a betterfuture helps us to move forward
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despite the challenges we face.As we embark on the next chapter
of our lives. Let's maintain asteadfast sense of hope.
Graduates, let's carry with usthe lessons learned, the
strengths gained, and the hopethat fuels our spirits.
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Congratulations, class of 2023May your journey be filled with
purpose, passion, and onparalleled success.
Thank you for giving it up forPAM. Thank you Pamela. You're a
great example of the promisingfuture for the class of 2023.
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Congratulations to the membersof the Class of 2023 graduates
Let us applaud the faculty andstaff who have worked tirelessly
to prepare the next generationof leaders
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have the family and friends inthe audience who have supported
you or graduates every step oftheir long journey
and one final round of applausefor our graduates
congratulations on youraccomplishment.
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I told you this was gonna be theloudest crew. I told you.
I knew it.
You guys did not disappoint. Youdid not disappoint. Thank you
did not disappoint indeed isthat liberal arts crowd was
fired up. I mean, do you hearthem screaming and of course,
you know, presidency OC kind ofegging them on cheering them on.
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But yeah, they were fired up.Also, if you want to hear
Pamela's entire presidentialaward winner speech, or watch
the entire commencement which wejust kind of heard some clips
from you can go to our CBCYouTube page and check it out
right there. Meanwhile, thatfired up crowd would continue
that same energy over in aStudent Success Center where
Family and friends gathered withtheir recent graduates for some
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snacks, some selfies and othercelebratory things which are
marketing intern Eli was onceagain able to catch up with a
few more students about theirwinter commencement experience.
My name is new. I've justwrapped up the liberal arts
ceremony. I'm here with Koyuki.How are you feeling
postgraduation? And morethoughts going through your
mind? How are you feeling?Overall? What's really going on?
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I'm blanking out. I'll behonest. I blanked out. I blanked
out. Um, but it's done onedegrees done. I'm just wrapping
up my other one. Do you knowwhat your future is looking like
after hours to see any plans youhave in mind or anything that
any goals you have to achieve?I'm hoping to transfer to Temple
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University Japan, hopefully,
to continue my art degree.Super, super cool. I love that.
Love that. And then if you hadto give any advice to your
fellow graduates, or people whoare going through graduating or
going to be in your shoes, whatadvice would you give? Um, just
go for it. Like don't, don'tkeep hugging the walls, you're
not gonna get anywhere. So justjust go for it. My name is Eli.
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I'm here with Augustine. How youfeeling postgraduation? What's
going through your mind rightnow? Thoughts, feelings, what
was happening? I do not feel areally good. I'm just excited to
end this chapter in my life andgo on to a new chapter. And I'm
excited to see the things thathad to come. So so our speaker,
new chapters, what's the planafter rcbc? If there's anything
that you have lined up already,or a goal that you're looking to
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accomplish? What would you sayis really next, for your future.
So right now, I'm planning onactually transferring out to a
college down in Virginia Beachin two and a half weeks, and I'm
going to pursue a bachelor'sdegree in government pre law,
and I'm aiming to get my lawdegree and go to law school.
That's a stop. And then last butnot least, Boettcher says a
piece of advice that you wouldgive to fellow graduates or
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people who are going to begraduating soon, will be in your
shoes sooner rather than later.Piece of advice that I would
give to my fellow graduates orat anybody graduating soon, just
keep your head on yourshoulders. Keep persevering
through the hard times. And younotice always achieve your goals
and looked for a brighter futurebecause you'll know what's gonna
come next. Appreciate it, bro.Thank you so much.
Congratulations, as well. Myname is Eli. I'm here with
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Adriani. Ronnie, okay, how youfeeling postgraduation? What
thoughts feelings are goingthrough your head right now? How
you feeling in general? Well, inthe beginning, I was not going
to Okay. But you know, associatedegrees. One more step from my
ladder, and every step of herlife, you should be celebrating.
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And now that I'm herecelebrating my heart's pumping,
I'm so proud of myself and formy family, also their work. Also
with me to be where am i rightnow? And yes, love that. I love
that. And then what would yousay what obstacles or challenges
you faced or rcbc really helpedshape where you are now and help
take with you life lessons thatyou take with you not only
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inside the classroom, butoutside the classroom as well?
Well, I think it'd be moreengaged with the school and get
to know more, you're the staffthat is at school actually
helped me a lot. Because thenyou know where to go, you can
focus more in the past is kindof easier when you know where
you have to go. And beingengaged will help me the last
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but not least, what piece ofadvice would you give to your
fellow graduates, or people whoare soon to graduate who will be
in your shoes sooner rather thanlater? Working hard, it's tough
in the time, it's tough, itdon't socialize as much. But in
the end, when they said yourname and hire owner, it's
amazing. So I feel verycomfortable and good. That
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everything I have been done sofar was way worse. So work hard
is what I can say. But don'ttake hard on you. Perfect.
Perfect. All right. Thank you somuch. Congratulations once again
as well. Yep. Take care ofHello, my name is Eli. I'm here
with Jamie. Jamie. So how are wefeeling after graduation? We're
thoughts, feelings that goingthrough your mind right now? How
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are you feeling? Overall? I'mvery excited six and a half
years of working on this. Andfinally I accomplished it.
Single mom of two and I stillmanage. So I hope for them. It
shows that even if they decideto take, you know, a couple
years off, they're still able toAwesome, awesome. How would you
say like some of the obstaclesyou faced while here rcbc Your
struggles really helped shapewhere you are now and helped you
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get to this point, and help youreally take some life lessons
with you as well. So all myclasses were online, I worked a
full time 40 hour job sometimes52 hours a week also while
raising them. And honestly Dr. Cand Professor Rizzo were the
ones who still manage to find away to connect with the students
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even though we were all virtual.I love that. Love that. And then
last but not least, what pieceof advice would you give to your
fellow graduates or upcominggraduates?
Just enjoy
enrol. Just keep going, don'tgive up. It doesn't matter how
long it takes for you to getthere. Eventually you'll get
there and you'll feel soaccomplished. Thanks so much,
(30:09):
Jamie, take care ofcongratulations. Just keep
going. Indeed, it's as simple asthat. And thanks again to Eli
for speaking with rcbc studentsand helping to share their
stories and experiences whileattending rcbc. And loved
hearing. Jamie, the singlemother of two working 50 hours a
week while also working oneducation, which she finally
achieved. So being a new dad, Iknow how tough that can be. And
(30:30):
that's what's my wife helpingout. So bravo to you, Jamie and
everyone else out there whograduated. But with that our
inaugural rcbc WinterCommencement coverage on the
program pod has come to an endfor this three part series. I do
want to congratulate Pamela's ononce again for her presidential
award winner honors and thefantastic speech that she gave,
and Congrats to all the liberalarts Winter Commencement
(30:51):
graduates, you earned it, youdeserved it and you rock but if
you out there, the listener areinterested in learning more
about the liberal arts programat rcbc. And everything it has
to offer, you can check outrcbc.edu. Also, if you've missed
any of the previous commencementcoverage here or other programs
featured on the program pod,they're available now at
rcbc.edu/program dashpot. Orwherever you get your podcast as
(31:15):
they say a lot of cool thingscheck out there I promise you
that but for now, thanks forlistening. This is Jay Varga and
I'll be talking to you soon.Cheers.
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