139 - Dissecting "The Penguin" & Denzel Washington Entering the MCU - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of
the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom for movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We got you covered.
I'm rob.
I'm here, as always, with courtcourt.
We're recapping another tvseries this week.
Yeah, we are talking about thepenguin the batman's the penguin
from the batman, the batmanbuzz.

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What's star wars do star warsstory?
Oh, the penguin, a star of thepenguin oh, this penguin a.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
What does Star Wars do?
Star Wars stories, oh, thePenguin of Star Wars.
The Penguin, oh the Penguin ofStar Wars story.
That's much funnier.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The Penguin of the Batman story, Right, yeah, so we
talked about Agatha all alonglast week and that was really
really good.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, and the Penguin was also really really good,
and they both do roundaboutsimilar things to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, similar things to each other, yes, and they
both do a thing that you shoulddo, as it pertains to like a tv
show when you're centralizingaround a villainous character is
you don't redeem them, no,don't make them cool.
They're bad people, um, andthis show did a great job of
doing that.
Um, through way of the uh, thecan, the cannon fodder character

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, which we're going to talkabout as we talk about the show
um.
So, yeah, we're going to talkabout the penguin and a bunch of
other stuff, starting with,unfortunately, some some sad
news um from the world ofentertainment, and that is that
tony todd, um notable actor andlater voice actor, um, has
passed away at the age of 69.

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Um, tony todd, I mean this guy,just an incredible, incredible
career obviously.
Candy man, obviously, is whathis, his calling card is, um,
what he's probably best knownfor, I would say um, on this on
the screen, and then, obviously,voice acting, also a very
prolific career career, um, wewould, we, we know him best as

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the voice of zoom on the flashtv series, um, that I you know,
and a voice that he carried overinto many, many other voice
roles, that kind of iconic, likegrowl.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I can't even really describe the voice I mean it's,
it's ever present, mean it's oneof those voices that kind of
looms on you and it weighs onyou and the presence alone just
weighs on you.
And these stink man, thesealways suck and it's horrible to
talk about every single timetoo.
And for somebody that didn'tlive a full life on top of that
too, that's where it truthfullyhurts.

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But, like you said, like fromthe flash, like that was my
introduction to tony todd,obviously he would.
He voiced venom in thespider-man movie.
It's just one of those voicesthat like, as I was getting
older, like his voice justbecame so synonymous with, like
all this entertainment that Ilove too.
So thank you so much, tony, forproviding, you know, such great
voices and such great.
You know there's a, there's anuance to him as well too, and

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it's not just like he's got thelow, gravelly voice, it's like
there's this like for lack ofbetter term I mean the
characters that there's likethis pain that comes along with
this, like this ominous painthat comes with it too.
So it's, it's well done, likeit could be gimmickish for to do
something like that too.
But it never felt like that.
It just felt like it was tonybeing incredible.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, I remember talking about Spider-Man 2 when
the voice of Venom was firstrevealed as Tony Todd and
something about it, I was like,yes, that just makes sense.
Why wasn't Tony Todd Venom inother things before this?
And then you heard the voice,obviously in Spider-Man 2, and
you were like, oh yeah, this isflawless.
So, yeah, it's just a shame,just one of those iconic, iconic

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um actors and voice actors, um,that will sorely, sorely be
missed, um, in tony todd.
Um.
On to the news of the week,other news of the week so, um,
we're back.
We're back with christophernolan movie casting news.
Um, it's ramping up again, likewe did with Oppenheimer.
Every week it feels like we'readding to this cast of this new

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Christopher Nolan film, and thisweek is no different, as Lupita
Nyong'o has been casted in thisChristopher Nolan movie that's
coming out.
So he's already assembling, youknow, again, much like he did
with Oppenheimer, he isassembling a star-studded cast
for his next film.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, I kind of love this way he's been operating too
.
I feel like it's kind of coolEvery single one of the last two
movies he's done.
He's putting together thisall-star cast and even dating
back to like you talk aboutTenet.
I remember when Tenet startedto ramp up, robert Pattinson
obviously he'd already been castas Batman by the time that
movie came out and you know,including myself I was just like
you know, this is a goodprelude to what his Bruce Wayne

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could look like eventually, likeI do think his Bruce Wayne will
still have an assemblance ofthat at some points.
But when the casting started toroll through and obviously for
Oppenheimer, people started tolook and I mean, after you make
Oppenheimer, which I there's,you could split it any other way
.
I just, I can't, you cannotdeny that's not one of the great
, it's one of the greatestmovies that's ever been released
.
That is one of the greatestmovies of all time.

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So notoriety is going to comewith this.
So how do you add notorietyonto somebody like christopher
nolan and I mean it's throughcasting, it's through personnel
is a good way to kind of goabout it too.
So, tom holland, obviouslythat's a big get and I and I'm
just very happy for tom hollandtoo that he gets to lead a movie
like this.
Matt damon on top of that too.
But I mean, now you're justadding straight up talent, like

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with somebody like gupita niyagoon top of that too.
I mean an oscar winner on topof that too.
It never hurts to add to yourcast.
And then you know, I believezendaya said she's like only in,
like a it's a bit of a cameoalmost in the movie.
You know what somebody saidthey, they were just like no,
don't do the inception dead wifething again.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Um he, he might do it .
Don't do it, Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Chris, if you're, if you're listening and obviously
you do he does.
Don't do it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward tothis movie, me too.
This brand new technology forhim to use, which I think is
going to be a prerequisite witha Christopher Nolan movie.
Imax is going to be like heretry this thing that we just made
.
It's cool.
It's cool.
And then also, on top of that,the premise is we're getting

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back into this action realm,which I think is really cool for
Christopher Nolan.
So I'm really looking forward.
I mean, it's a ChristopherNolan movie with an and
hopefully he does the thingwhere each week somebody gets
added.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I can't wait to see who's going to be added.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Maybe it's a helicopter horror movie about
evil helicopters, evilhelicopters, ai helicopters that
have their own minds.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
If anyone can make it work, it's Christopher Nolan.
Absolutely yeah, I totallyagree.
I can't wait to see who elserounds out this cast.
I know Oppenheimer is litteredwith, obviously, a a to C list
kind of actors that you know.
I think the cool thing aboutOppenheimer is, like you know,
you had obviously you had yourMatt Damon's, you had your.

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You know everyone that was inthat movie.
But then like you run like JackQuaid popped up in that movie
for like two seconds, joshPeck's in that movie for like
two seconds.
Josh peck's in that movie.
Josh peck rounded it out forlike a scene, like it feels like
one of those things.
It's like playing for the spurs, like like you're kind of like
a big deal like in your own youknow realm of of things, but
then christopher nolan calls youto be like in a scene for like
two seconds and you're like yepI'll do that, do anything you

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need me to yeah, it's likeplaying on the Olympic
basketball team, right LikeJason Tatum, like didn't play in
the Olympics even though hejust won.
Like the finals MVP.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Jalen Brown didn't even make the team Right, so
like there's big actors thatdidn't even make this team, so
for you to get called is great.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right, so that's cool .
More casting news.
Macaulay Culkin, famed childactor, turned.
You know I'm happy for him, theway his life has turned out,
Really, really good stuff.
But he's been cast in FalloutSeason 2, Amazon's kind of
surprise hit that we were bothreally really big fans of.

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And I think that's great.
I think he weirdly enough.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
What did I say to you before we hopped on?
I said Macaulay Culkin might bethe most Fallout human being.
He fits right in.
He fits right in and it'snothing we can put our fingers
on.
No, it's nothing we can overtlyexplain.
He just, he just works.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, he just fits right in to.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And he fits into the role both ways.
If you really want to put himin that retro future piece, he
can fit in there.
To the conspiracy of all tech.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
There's no shot.
They let him play what's hisname from New Vegas, right?
Oh yeah, oh, that would beinteresting.
Yeah, I mean they had him showup in the last season, but I
mean the guy was in it for liketwo seconds.
I do think that's going to be abig part of it.
Oh, you're right.
You're right.
Is the New Vegas like the Robcostuff and that stuff?

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Because, obviously, spoileralert, at the end of season two
or at the end of season one,lucy's dad escapes his
comeuppance and he absconds tonew vegas, which had a lot of
people excited, right, and I'malso excited, man, that show was
so good I wonder if they'regonna do a week-to-week model.
I don't know if we talked aboutthis when we talked about season

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one.
Yeah, I mean because we we did.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, I mean, one of the big things we it was a big
piece we talked about was thewas the idea of hey, this is a
show you need to hook people.
Like the last of us is alreadyan ip, that from your first
episode you were going to havepeople hooked.
You can do week to week it'sevent television, but like
something like this, like youneed to get the half of there's,
the niche nerds like us,that'll be like fallout show,

(09:38):
sure, but then you need to geteverybody else and the in that
model of I can truck through.
This thing is good.
So I think, possibly becausethe Boys essentially is your
main event television for AmazonPrime, that is like your
flagship show.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and then like Invincible is like kind of like
next tier down, I would say.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I feel like Fallout can maybe take over for
Invincible, but I do.
I like the full season all atonce.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I like the fact that I can.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I thought that was really good.
But again things might change,because Maybe that's an
experiment we can do Look atsome shows and think about if
they came out all at the sametime.
Does it help or hurt?
Give me a show.
Give me a show that was week toweek.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean Agatha All Along is like right, agatha All
Along.
Funny enough, did like both.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
It did like a hybrid Right.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Because it did the first two and the last two as
pairs and then did week to week.
So I think that's aninteresting.
That's also an interesting kindof maneuver as well.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
And you could probably bet that on a lot of
these Amazon shows that they'llgive you the first two to three
instead of just giving you thefirst episode, especially for
the last season of the Boys.
They're definitely going togive you the first two to three
because this is it Invinciblesame thing.
They're probably going to giveyou the first two.
Maybe Fallout does that.
They do a two-episode premiere.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And then retroactively, I think about a
show like daredevil yeah, likeif daredevil had been like week
to week.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I'm sorry, like I love that show and but you need
that train rolling, like youneed.
You need to build on the crime.
You know the crime thriller.
You need to build on thecourtroom drama on top of that
too, and you need to build thesecharacters, like you.
But you all need that all atonce.
And it's the fallout idea oflike this is new, like people
need to get used to this.
Like all the stuff marvel ipthat you had had up until that

(11:23):
point was movies and agents ofshield.
Like this is completelydifferent.
Like this doesn't even feellike a marvel show.
Right, so that give it to meall at once.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I can binge and be like, oh, I actually love this
character, but I needed it allat once yeah, and it tells like
uh, I think also the way theepisode structure is in
daredevil, like there wasn't aton of you could tell that show
was designed to come out all atonce.
Because what these week-to-weekshows did and I think agatha
and and the penguin also didthis really, really well and
it's that what you need in aweek-to-week thing is like these

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hooks at the end of each wellthat's event.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Television 101.
It's like you.
You need this thing to drawpeople back and to be like I and
again shout out to agathabecause I hadn't felt that for a
marvel show in a while.
To be like, oh I to keep I needthis I need this and the
penguin.
The penguin kind of blended bothof those things because the
penguin said, hey, like this isevent television, but we're

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gonna tell a really groundedstory on top of that and a
really complex story on top ofthat and I mean we'll talk about
it once we talk about thepenguin.
Like the cross between the twoof the two and the similarities
to the two are they wereapparent.
Like these.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
These shows are like more intertwined than you would
ever believe yep, yeah, 100 um,but layman's terms, bringing
back to macaulay culkin, I thinkit's a great get.
Um, it feels like somethingthat you know where he's at.
Um, for some reason, I thoughtof an actor that is kind of into
doing these weird, relativelylow-budget niche things that

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would also probably fit reallywell in this Fallout universe.
That's Daniel Radcliffe.
I was thinking the same thing,that's insane.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I literally had his image in myhead.
That's insane.
I was thinking the exact samething.
I literally had his image in myhead.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's insane that you said I literally was just
like.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Daniel Radcliffe would be really good for this.
That's wild.
I was thinking the exact samething.
He would put up incrediblenumbers in a universe like this.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I feel like he would do really, really well in a
Fallout thing, so I've givenRadcliffe a call.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Remember when he did what movie, oh, swiss Army man,
directed by the Daniels, whowent on to win Best Director.
He did that Weird Al movie Letthe Daniels do an episode of.
If the Daniels could do anepisode of Star Wars, let them
do an episode of Fallout, thatepisode would be crazy.
Oh, that would be awesome.
Let them do you know whatepisode they should take.
They should do the episodewhere they reveal all the vaults

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and let them go through all thevaults and how all these vaults
are insanely effed up.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, just start getting weird character actors
in this Fallout show.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think you got a niche there, willem Dafoe is
screaming at being somethinglike this.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, star Wars news.
So we got.
Obviously the Andor stuff isramping up.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, got a first look.
Disney did a little sizzle reelof all the first looks.
Yeah, andor was in there and Imean I can't say enough.
It's the same reaction when Iwatched X-Men 97.
It's the same reaction.
You are watching sometruthfully incredible and
relevant television and it'slike you need to kind of bear
witness to it.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yep, we're getting obviously the Rogue incredible
and relevant television and it'slike you need to kind of bear
witness to it.
Yep, um, we're getting theobviously the rogue one stuff um
is starting to ramp up.
We got a new look at BenMendelsohn coming back.
Um, we got a first look at K2SOcoming back.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
My King return.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yep, um, and yeah, it's going to be a 12 episode
season.
Um, 12 episode season, I thinkthey said what.
Every four episodes there'sgoing to be a time jump.
This will be the last season ofthe show, because the season
finale is going to bleed rightinto the beginning of Rogue One
and I'm just really excited forthat.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, you know it's funny to me and I don't know.
I don't think he'd do thisbecause Disney would probably
restrain him in some ways.
It's the thing we're going totalk about in a second the new
direction for Star Wars as awhole.
But would Tony Gilroy not bethe guy that you'd want to
spearhead this thing?
I mean, I would think so, butit's not going to happen because
you need to sell toys at theend of the day.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, which leads into the other news, and that is
notable producer of mostly Foxproperties.
Historically, simon Kinberg isbeing tapped to not direct,
obviously, because he's not adirector guy, he's more like a
writer and a producer.
Creator, I mean, he's got ahell of a resume.

(15:39):
Yeah, x-men movies he's written.
He was the creator of Star WarsRebels.
Um.
X-men movies Um, he's written.
Um.
He was the creator of star Warsrebels.
Um, he developed the twilightzone reboot.
Um, he was an excessive producer.
He pretty much was theexecutive producer or writer of
a lot of the Fox X-Men stuff.
Um, the later Fox X-Men stufflast stand, first class days of

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future past he wrote.
Um, and that was one Last Stand, first Class Days of Future
Past he wrote, and that's one ofthe best X-Men movies.
Yeah, he wrote Mr and Mrs Smith, the 2005 movie, which is
really, really good.
So he's being tabbed as likethe kind of like the creative
force of a new Star Wars trilogy.
People for the longest timehave been speculating what, if

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ever, that was ever going tohappen.
Obviously there was stuffsurrounding the character of Rey
with Daisy Ridley, some OldRepublic stuff.
So now it appears that this isgoing to be like a new trilogy,
a continuation of the Skywalkersaga, quote-unquote that Daisy
Ridley is apparently going to bea part of, and I mean it's a I
don't know I'm so torn onsomething like this I mean this

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bleeds into a biggerconversation about you know just
where Star Wars is right now.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
And I mean before we hopped on and we've said it on
here before we joked we werelike why didn't we just get a
Mandalorian season four?
Like why did we need a?
Why did we get a movie thatlike got secret?
Like this movie just got filmed, it wrapped filming and it just
like nothing happened.
Secret, like this movie justgot filmed, it wrapped filming
and just like nothing happened.
Yeah, and I was like how do you, how'd you do that?
Like there's so much secretnature.

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There's such a secret nature tolike.
I think star wars kind of lostthat train and I I don't even
necessarily think it was 2019, Ithink it was the.
I think it was a combination ofa couple things.
It was how spoiled we got withthe television.
For some aspects, like when theMandalorian was good, it was
great.
Andor is one of.
You can just go beyond StarWars.

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Andor is just some of the besttelevision that I've seen.
So I think it was a combinationof that.
I think it was.
You know I'm not naive.
I think it was people's disdainfor the new trilogy as well too
, and their unacceptance of it.
But star wars, just it was suchthis thing where, like, if
you're going to continue theskywalker saga, like just kind
of just relax a bit, like I feltlike there were so many over

(17:56):
complications and obviouslydirection is a big thing, like
they, they didn't have a clearvision of what they wanted and
you switch directors back to theother director for three movies
.
It's a.
That's an absurd way to kind ofgo about it.
So I I don't know, I'm kind oflike you, I don't know like I'm
like, I'm very like, I want tobe like this is good, this is
like.
I don't really have an opinionyet.

(18:16):
Yeah, I mean, is there anythingyou want to see out of this
trilogy?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
um, I mean, we've kind of touched upon this before
about like what Star Wars kindof needs, and it needs a little
bit of, just a little bit ofdifferent and it needs a little,
you know, really commit to likea new idea or a new premise.
I know a lot of the insidersspeak on this new trilogy is
people are concerned that StarWars is just like a nostalgia

(18:40):
feeder and funny enough, like Ithink it's the stuff that hasn't
been over relying on thenostalgia.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
that's been the best stuff that they've done in
recent memory I mean, you canlook at the jedi games and how,
how much we love those and it'sbecause, like that, here you
still have this character thatwas inserted into this time,
that we are so familiar with instar wars, yet it felt so new
and fresh.
You look at at Andor this isanother character that was here.
We had seen this characterbefore, but then you release the

(19:09):
show and again it's all aboutpersonnel, it's all about
writing, it's all about whatyou're putting into this movie
from a fact of.
Again, it's the episode ofBlack Mirror.
Nostalgia is a drug.
It's a dangerous game to play,because once you get nostalgia,
people want to come back for itand come back for it and like I

(19:30):
talk, you know, to the mountainsabout this.
Like I think that's one of noway home's biggest shortcomings
is like the, you, you have suchthis heavy rely on nostalgia.
Like what about the?
What about the movie?
Like what about the movieyou're making?
So, yeah, and what nostalgia doyou pull from now?
Like there's no nostalgia fromthat sequel trilogy.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Like where do you go?
Well, Rey is going to be thenostalgia now.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Which I like.
But like I mean I've alreadytalked about how I think what
they did to John Boyega was likeit's borderline unforgivable
what you did to him, because Iguarantee you they promised like
you're going to be a Jedi, like, why would you not?
Like it was one of the easiestlayups I had ever seen in my
life.
What stormtrooper just getswoken up like that?
Obviously, the Force did thatto him and they set it up.
As well as that, we stoppedcloning and we started taking
people.
This is the easiest setup tomake this guy a Jedi.
This is so easy.

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They just wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, and I guess what I'm fearful of is the idea
of bringing back Rey.
I don't think they should.
I don't think that characterhas been on enough of a journey
that they can Luke Skywalker herand time jump and she's going
to be an older version of Rey.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Now they could use that to their advantage to usurp
what Luke was.
They could be like she's notfinished herself.
She also needs to learn alittle bit herself.
They could use that to theiradvantage to kind of usurp, you
know, the like what luke was.
Like they could be like she'snot finished herself, like she
also needs to learn a little bitherself, but she's trying to do
some good also.
What's the eat like, what's theevil?
Like that's something thatgeorge lucas did so well of.
Like at the end of the day,there's good and bad.
Like there's there is good andthere is some bad, but then

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there's nuance that comes withthat too.
Like yeah, it's not overtlyblack and white, yep, but I I'm
so torn like how do you go aboutthis?
Like obviously you're gonnahave a new main character.
Just who do you you gotta, whatdo you gotta do?
Is you gotta go to through therolodex?
You gotta get your maincharacters gotta be.
I think this time you gotta gowith somebody that's known like
you gotta get a name of somebodythat's like an established

(21:24):
actor that is like ready for ajourney and ready to like you
got to be ready for anythinglike this can be career suicide
or this can be the biggest boostto your career that you can
ever ask for any names.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Hop out at you for somebody you would want to see
in there um man, I don't evenknow like it feels like a lot of
people are kind of like intheir niche right now so like if
as much as like yeah, you, Ifeel like you do need that kind
of like a known quantity, like,at the same time, like what
known quantity is gonna attachthemselves to this?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
yeah, this is such a tough one, unless you switch
direction.
And, like I said, I, it's oneof those things where it's like
it's it's a plot detail, it's amajor plot detail.
But it was the killing of adamdriver.
Like this guy was the bestactor in your movies and you
killed him.
Like you killed the one drive,like one of the biggest, no pun
intended driving forces of thisthing.

(22:14):
You killed him when he gotsuper interesting.
You killed him at the mostinteresting he had ever been.
Yeah, so because I mean I Iwill scream this to the end of
the till I'm blue in the faceyou should have kept him alive.
You should have tried torestart the Jedi.
And everybody's like what theIs that?
Kylo Ren?
No shot.
Like that plays.

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Like that actually plays.
Yeah, like you should have hadRey.
Just be a nobody.
Like that's the point.
Like you do not have to be fromsomebody else, just be a nobody
, that's the point.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
You do not have to be from somebody else, you are
just you.
That's it.
Yeah, I mean, I guess thesilver lining of all this is
that Kinberg is going to bewriting all three of these
movies, so hopefully you don'tend up with that disjointedness
Right that the sequel trilogysuffers from.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think that's what they know they're like we
need.
This is one straight narrative.
I'm trying to think of an actorthat I would want to see.
Steven Yeun would be fun forsomething like this, maybe even
in a villainous role, not evenin a straight hero role.
I feel like he would besomebody that's like.
I feel like he can put in somework there too.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
He's such a good hero , though he's such a good hero
archetype person.
Yeah, it'd be a great choice toanchor the franchise with.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, I feel like he would be kind of cool.
I'll think of other names astime goes on.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Mission Impossible got a trailer, a trailer and a
rebrand.
It is not Dead Reckoning Part 2anymore, it is the Final
Reckoning Mission Impossible,the Final Reckoning two anymore.
It is the final reckoningmission impossible, the final
reckoning.
Um, obviously the sequel todead reckoning what was?
It is kind of weird now.
Yeah, it's dead reckoning partone and then the final reckoning
yeah, well, it's just the deadreckoning, dead reckoning um,

(23:59):
but yeah, I mean, this trailerwas phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I mean, this franchise is phenomenal, much
like we talked about when wetalked about Mission Impossible
7.
This franchise is stellar.
Or is this the ninth one, ifI'm not mistaken?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I can't remember if this is eight or nine, nine,
Nine.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
This is just a phenomenal franchise and I mean,
I remember when I had myrewatch, because I think I did
it in in three days, I think Idid three.
No, I think I did it in twodays.
I did three, three, one andthen, and then I we went to go
see, um see, uh, dead reckoning,and I, I said I was sitting

(24:38):
there I'm like, imagine like youhave the stumbles in this
franchise of two, like thisfranchise could have been dead
after two, like this franchisevery well could have been over.
But you know, you have TomCruise as your through line,
like such a charismatic maincharacter, main lead.
But also it's the biggestcompliment that I can give to
these movies and any movie thatTom Cruise is on man.

(24:59):
He is committed to this, but ina good way, like he is full out
committed to like we are making.
We are going to do the cinemaone way or the or another.
I I told you that plane sequencesets in here that they teased
as like we'll see at the movies.
Like yeah, yeah, buddy, likeyou see this in the trailer,
you're like, oh, like we're, I'mabout it when we get to the

(25:20):
captain america trailer of, likeI have some like I watch this
trailer and I watch that trailerand I'm like, obviously I'm a
nerd, so I love that trailer.
But then I watch this trailer.
I'm like this why are we, whycan't this be every movie in
hollywood that's above like 200million dollar budget, like sure
?
Why are we not committing tohaving this good looking of a

(25:42):
movie, this, this committed?
It's the like you always jokeabout the immersion man.
Like I'm immersed, like you gotme, yep.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
You got me.
Yeah, I mean, this movie isgoing to be a not just, you know
, a pairing with the directing,but also like a culmination of
all these Mission Impossiblemovies.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
If you really want to talk about it, you can split
these movies three ways.
You can split these into one,two, three, four, five, six and
seven, eight, nine, if youreally want to.
Because, yeah, one, two, three.
It had the end of the 90s actionand and you made a great point
about how these movies evolvedwith how action evolved over the
years like it had that 90sgrunge action in the uh, when

(26:19):
this, when the first movie cameout in 96, then you transitioned
into your john like matrixadjacent action for second one,
your third one was like your,your Jason Bourne-esque type of
action, and then you get intofour, four, five, six.
It's like, you know, thesuperhero movies had a lot of
influence, the John Wick movieshad a lot of influence on the
action and now it's like they'relike events now, like they're

(26:41):
it's like your event type ofaction.
So I I mean it's it's thecommit, that's, that's the best,
it's like my one word summaryit's it's commitment, like
commit to the finish, commit tocinema at the end of the day
yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
Um big rave says cancer in thisone.
That's gotta be the thing,right like.
Why is he in like a hospitalbed the whole time and he's

(27:02):
getting and he's giving ominousmentor speeches in?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
this Because Finn Reigns in these Mission
Impossible movies will doanything he can to not be in the
field.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, Remember when he was a villain in the first
one.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, so this will just be the next evolution of
that, or the last one.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's the final reckoning, rob.
It is the final reckoning.
This is it, the final reckoningAgain.
This is like a tripled up StarWars trilogy, because there's
nine of these things, but hewants to keep the.
I think what he's going to dois he's going to transition into
the full out producer roleafter this one.
Yeah, so you heard what hewants.
He wants Glenn Powell to kindof take the reins.

(27:39):
Obviously Makes so much senseobviously makes so much sense.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Miles teller somewhere.
Um, speaking of that captainamerica trailer, we did get a
trio of marvel things.
You start with what?
If yeah, we'll talk about theone of trailer first um, it's
the final season.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's all these final things the final season of what?
If um confirms the mult, themarvel multiverse is going to
collapse as well, too.
It's the only thing that makessense.
Yeah, the watchers like what ishappening.
Yeah, as well too.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's the only thing that makes sense, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Watchers are like what is happening?
Yeah, the Watchers said whatthe universe is oh no, oh no, no
.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
My job, my job security, my job security.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's over.
I'm going to be.
I'm going to be.
I'm going to be fired.
He's unemployed.
He's going to be let go he'sbeing relieved of his duties.
He is being relieved.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So, yeah, this is the final season.
It's only eight episodes andhopefully this is a return to
form from the first season,where it's just wacky stuff.
Give me wacky stuff happening.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Unfortunately, I think you're wrong.
I think they're going to do itfor a little bit, but I think
it's the fact that it's onlyeight episodes.
Apparently, the reports out ofMarvel Studios is they want to
be done with this multiversething ASAP.
They want to get out of this asfast as possible.
And I mean you saw howwell-received the X-Men were.

(28:54):
You have the Fantastic Fourramping up, like get out of this
if you can Get out of this.
So I do see the potential to belike hey, let's just do what's
right in the title, like what if?
What if Shang-Chi was a cowboy?
What if Shang-Chi was a cowboy?
I'm going to ask you at the endI'm going to spoil what my

(29:15):
favorite idea from this seasonis.
My favorite idea is the Buckyand Red Guardian being Captain
and Captain Bucky instead.
But like they're like that'sgot to be like the 80s, right.
Like they're like that's gottabe like the eighties, right,
like that's like prime eighties,Like, yeah, I think that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's pretty cool.
Um, we got some cool stuff inthis.
We got um Moon Knight, MoonKnight is in this Um, you have
the Power Ranger Avengers.
Yeah, the uh, the Gundam.
Yeah, I a lot of Riri Williamsin this too.
A lot of Riri Williams.
Agatha, a lot of Agatha in heretoo, a lot of Agatha, of course
.
Who?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
steals Erisham's powers.
That's what it seems like.
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think that's awesome, Obviously, and you know
one of the Just shoot mealready, Erisham, I said this to
you before but do you think?
Yeah, you think she got him youthink Aresham is inquiring
about the Witch's Road.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, he's like she's gonna be, like you're all you
know, you're all powerful, right?
She's like why can't you seethe Witch's Road?
Then he's like ugh.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
The Witch's Road.
The Watch is like oh no.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh no, I've seen her do this.
You're being tricked, arishem,arishem, look out.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Arishem, look out, it's a trick, it's a trick.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Arishem.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
She's a celestial now .
Now she can make the richestroad real.
A lot of.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Monica Rambeau also in this.
Yeah, yeah, in this trailer.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Which is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Kate Bishop and Shang-Chi, like I said, are
teaming up.
They're cowboys we got, I mean,and again the cool thing about
I do like the thing about what,if all the actors, for the most
part, all come back.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I am very surprised Oscar Isaac's in this.
I'm very surprised, I knowright, Because I'm very big on.
I mean this goes.
This harkens to some biggerissues with Marvel as a whole.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Mahershala Ali is also in this.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yes, that was the big one I was waiting for you to
say as Blade A, when did theyrecord this?
That's my true question,because it's 2024.
Yeah, if they recorded this inlike 2022, both Mahershala Ali
and Oscar Isaac were probablylike oh, we're going to be these
characters for a long time,right?
So that's my question of whendid they record?

(31:30):
Cause I don't know what OscarIsaac thinks about Marvel these
days, cause you saw what andrightfully so for him how he
feels about Star Wars now.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
So Unless I mean, unless they've told him stuff
about Moon Knight that he justdoesn't, he can't say yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Or it's like dude, do the Midnight Suns.
Is that not your easiest option?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
It feels like that's coming sooner or later.
Yeah, and then I mean the coolpart about this what If trailer
was the ending?
Obviously they did a stinger atthe end of this which sees
Storm wielding Mjolnir, sothey're integrating the X-Men
stuff now into the MCU, Likeofficially, Like for real,

(32:15):
Because Storm is in this.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
And it's the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, voiced by Alison Seely Smith, obviously
returning as Storm.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Was that not the coolest thing you've ever seen
in your entire life?
Yeah, that was the coolestthing you've ever seen in your
entire life.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, that was the coolest thing possibly ever, I
mean, and Alison Celia Smith'sStorm is just incredible.
Like when she ramps up she doesthe whole.
I am Storm and you're like yep.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You are Guys, that's Storm.
You're Storm from Marvel Comics, aren't you Like any?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
time in X-Men 97 when she got like one of those big,
like ramp-up moments.
Oh, you think they're going todo the piano in this one.
I hope so.
Do it, do the thing.
So yeah, I mean it lookedpretty good.
I still like the animationstyle.
We know that Kahori is comingback, which I still think going

(33:02):
back to what If Season 2,there's a lot of interesting
things with that character.
Sure, sure, like I liked herstandalone episode and then that
character somehow got lessinteresting as they integrated
her.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, it's what If Season 2 started to go against
like they?
And obviously Season 1 stilldid it, but Season 1 did it in a
way where the watchers like atthis point I have to intervene.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
And then she got all the powers.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Remember that.
Remember that bit when she gotall the powers.
You remember when Emilia Clarkewas in Secret Invasion and they
gave her every power and thenshe just disappeared?
Yeah, maybe she's who comes tohelp Sam in the Captain America
trailer we're going to talkabout now.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Imagine let's talk about the Captain America
trailer now, because I want totalk about Thunderbolts.
Last yeah, yeah, um, yeah, sowe got another uh trailer for
captain america.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Brave new world.
It's weird.
I'm so torn because I I've seena lot of people be like this
trailer was incredible.
I'm like, okay, so this is themission impossible point I was
making.
So I'm watching this trailer,right, and I'm like this movie
probably cost like 250 300million dollars easily.
Yeah, okay, I know they spent alot of money on that mission

(34:07):
impossible trailer, but then Ilook at a movie like dune right.
Dune 2 conceivably and this isnot an exaggeration is one of
the most gorgeous movies that'sever been released ever.
Yeah, that movie had giantsandworms and planets and it was
wild.
Yeah, what's so insane aboutthis movie where it looks like

(34:32):
this?
That's my biggest gripe withthis.
It's like why does this look?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
like this.
Yeah, I mean, it's weird too,because I feel like I feel like
the first trailer looked better.
Yeah, like it looked, maybe,maybe, maybe it's an editing
issue, maybe it's truly anediting trailer splicing issue,
where that first trailer wasreally snappy and gave you
epilepsy, but I did like thesnappiness of it.

(34:59):
It's meant to disorient you ina weird way.
I think that things areflashing and happening really
quickly.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
This one felt more like a regular kind of standard
cookie cutter marvel trailer butalso it had that overlay of
like that you know thatmid-2000s espionage thriller on
top of it too, yeah, which iscool.
But I just I can't.
There's something off.
Like there's something that'soff about this.

(35:29):
I can't put my finger on it.
There's something off and it's.
It hurts me, because when thismovie got announced I was like
okay, and then I started tolearn more.
I was like okay, thisconceivably could be a pretty
dang good movie like this can bepretty interesting.
Sam's on a good train of an arcright now, especially after
falcon and the winter soldier.
I mean, you add harrison ford.

(35:49):
Obviously you don't want to addharrison ford from the
circumstance, but like you addharrison ford to this movie like
that's one of the most famousactors to ever live.
Yeah, he's like oh, yeah, I'lldo, I'll be red hulk.
You're like excuse me, seemslike he's having a really good
time, right Right.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
He's been very defensive of not just Marvel
movies, but also of AnthonyMackie.
Yeah, harrison Ford's kind oflike hey, that's my little
brother you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's my dog, that's my dog, right?

Speaker 2 (36:17):
there, which has been cool, but there's such this
like so you're getting amotivated Harrison Ford, but
there's such this, so you'regetting a motivated Harrison
Ford.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But here's my big thing.
Right, I'm saying all thesethings, but then I'm seeing the
trailer and I'm like the thingsin here.
Look, I'm super intrigued.
Whatever this third act battlethat they're going to have on
Tiamat with the adamantium, itseems like You're getting the
leader.
That's cool.
Hulk's going to show up like I.

(36:46):
I don't see any concealing.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I can't imagine any possible.
Doesn't show up in this.
It's it.
There's a bunch of hulkcharacters in this movie.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
This is a hulk movie.
This is this is literally thelast part of the hulk arc that
you can think of.
I think it would be would belike this then you do World War
Hulk.
After that, like I think youshould have Mark Ruffalo show up
as Smart Hulk, red Hulk's likeno, I need the other guy that I
knew before.
And then he's like alright, I'mback.

(37:15):
I'm thinking I'm back.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
How is he beating this?
Maybe he's gonna hit him withanother famous Sam Wilson speech
.
Maybe That'll do it.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
That'll get him.
You got to do better.
Mr President, Red Hulk.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
What if the end of the movie is just him becoming
the president, but as the RedHulk?
That would be.
So he's just Red Hulkpermanently, but he's just the
president.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Oh, he's the smart Red Hulk.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, he gets a little suit, but no it looks
super interesting.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I'm intrigued in whatever this narrative is going
to be.
Yeah, Isaiah Bradley stuff issuper interesting.
I hope that Marvel does theright thing and they get an
actor, like a younger actor, toplay Isaiah Bradley and they do
the Gui Yang stuff, do theactual.
I think that would be a reallygood swing for them.
That's beside the point fromthis trailer, but I'm into this.

(38:15):
I'm still super intrigued,especially from that first
trailer.
I just think if you've got tocompare the trailers, that first
one is tighter.
It gives you a little bit moreintrigue.
This one is just a little bitmore confusion and I feel like
the reshoots are showing a lotmore in this.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I was going to say that too.
Yeah, this feels like thereshoots were involved in this
trailer and yeah, I mean we'llsee, I'm still super interested,
but but, but, but, but, but,but, but, but, but but.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
We got another thunderbolts trailer on top of
the captain america trailer, man, and this movie looks
sensational so what we did is wewatched the captain america
trailer and then we immediatelywatched the thunderbolts trailer
and I said is this a real moviewe're actually watching now?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
and I said thank god this movie looks really really
tight man it looks real.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, it looks.
It looks like it was actuallyshot by somebody that's, you
know, said like let's actuallymake a film Like that's actually
.
But I feel like this movie hasa good, a good standing on.
Like there's a bit of ignoringin this movie of like everything
that's come before.
Like I don't feel like theMarvel tethered super besides
these characters, which is thegood piece of it.

(39:23):
If you besides these characters, which is the good piece of it,
if you're going to do it, thisfeels like actual direction.
I think that's the best thing Ican say about this.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Do we know who's directing this.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I think we should, we definitely should.
But yeah, I mean Jake Schreier.
What did he do?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
That name sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
He is.
That name sounds very familiar.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
His first feature film was Robot and Frank in 2012
.
He's directed Paper Towns PaperTowns okay, and that's it.
Robot and Frank 2012,.
Paper Towns in 2015,.
And then he's doingThunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Television guy.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Big television guy.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I had a feeling .

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Directed Beef.
Six episodes of.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Beef, nice, nice, emmy winning television too on
top of that.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yep directed, and then directed an episode of
Shameless, oh nice.
He's got a pretty light kind ofresume.
Yeah, you know not what youwould expect hey sometimes you
need something like this.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Sometimes I love that ideal too of like hey, like you
didn't get the guy or the orthe gal that directed a billion
things, and like these bigthings, like no, like this guy
didn't conceivably do the mostin his career yet, but like here
you go to cook.
Like go do what, you go, havesome fun.
Like go cook, don't worry aboutanything else.

(40:43):
Like we'll insert where we needto, as marvel.
But like it just feels likethis is just a real overlay to
this and I couldn't be happier.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
There's color grading in this, yeah the dynamic
between all the characters looksreally oh my gosh, it looks so
good.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Everybody feels like they have a place, except for
taskmaster, who is easily dyingin the first confrontation that
they have.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah.
I think all the characters aresuper interesting.
We talked about it when wetalked about the first trailer.
I think framing this movieinstead of it's an ensemble,
obviously, but seemingly framingthe story around Alexia and
Yelena, I think is really reallysmart, and then kind of having
her be the driving force of thismovie, I think is really smart.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, having her be the main character of this movie
, I think, is really smart.
Yeah, having her be the maincharacter, it's the best thing.
You're playing on the fact thatyou got Florence Pugh before
she took off.
Too much for you to get her inthis universe, you got her at
the right.
And you know what.
It harkens back to thatconversation when we talked
about Black Widow of, like, whatdo you sacrifice?
Do you sacrifice Florence Pughor do you sacrifice having this
movie come out in 2017, when itwas supposed to?

(41:44):
Yeah, at the end of the day,they made the right decision,
because then you get her to leada movie like this.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And it just seems like you're getting really great
.
It seems like, based on thetrailer, you're getting really
great performances out ofeveryone.
I'm really keen to see whatWyatt Russell does in this movie
.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, that's somebody I was going to talk about, also
, ghost.
That's actually who I'm mostexcited to see in this movie is
Ghost, because I think she, whenwe I'm just going to predict
our awards, she might be themost underrated character in
this whole thing.
It might be Ghost of like thisis like they.
Finally let me be a characterin this one.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, and I think back to your point about this
movie obviously having agrounding in MCU but not feeling
overly reliant on the stuffthat all these characters are
being pulled from.
It's almost like they can dowith ghosts what you know, I'm
not comparing the two but likethey can do with ghosts in this
movie what the first Iron manmovie did with Iron man, where

(42:38):
they're like, just forget,forget the Ant-Man and the wasp
thing with ghosts, like for allintents and purposes like yeah,
the only thing you need to knowis her powers and what her name
is.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
That's the only thing that you need to know.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and I think just forget everything else, and
I think they're going to dothat with a lot of these
characters.
Besides, you know, I thinkTaskmaster, like you said, is
mostly.
I could be wrong, but maybeTaskmaster is probably just
going to be mostly justindifferent in this movie.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I think she's going to have a little bit of a
kinship to Yelena and it mighthit Yelena a little hard when I
do think that Taskmaster Likethe shot that has all of them I
think Taskmaster is digitallyinserted in that shot.
Like you got to show, like thisisn't the Suicide Squad, but
you got to show that thesecharacters are not bulletproof,
like these characters can bekilled.
What's the twist?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Of this movie.
Yeah, oh, I think the twist isprobably that they end up being
the new Avengers, yep.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
And I think that her, I think her, or Val, because
Val's Nick Fury I think her bigthing is that like, oh shoot.
Like I wasn't equating for RedGuardian.
On top of that, we're trying toget the Sentry to be like your
leader of this thing, like wewanted the Sentry to be here,
but like I have a CaptainAmerica variant, I have a Black
Widow variant on here.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
It's just, I mean the question ultimately is like how
does Bucky fit into this?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Well, I think Bucky is the government being like.
Well, you're going to the ideatoo of like the how you know, in
the Captain America trailer,the first one, like he's like I
want to make Captain Americagovernment official again.
Like Bucky, Senator, but likewe're in a wartime state, like
senators and presidents can alsobe like war generals and things
like that.
So they're going to be likeyou're still an agent of the U S

(44:20):
, like you're still going tohave to do Avenger-level things.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
And I think these two movies are going to tie
together.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Ooh I had an idea today.
What if this movie comes out?
Not this movie comes out.
What if this movie takes placebefore Captain America 4 and
they come to save him?
Because who better to take outthe Red Hulk than the Sentry?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
That's an interesting idea.
I do think these movies aregoing to be tethered together,
oh very, very closely, in someform or fashion, and that was my
point about Captain Americabeing there.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I was like I have an Avengers team, I have my own
Avengers, we have our Supermanhere and he's going to be like
what's a Superman?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, we did get a couple quick glances at what's
the actor's name Lewis Pullman,lewis Pullman.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You're Lewis Pullman, lewis Pullman Of Bob Pullman.
You're Lewis Pullman from BobPullman.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, we got a couple more shots of Lewis Pullman as
Bob Mm-hmm the worst kept secretin the world that he's a
century.
That was originally played bySteven Yeun Yep, who had to drop
out Yep To be in Star Warsaccording to plan.

(45:27):
Um, I think, though, I do likehis affableness.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, then he's like guys, guys what's going on, like
he's just kind of weird.
I, and I said it too if they'regonna do this thing where we're
gonna find out that they'regonna turn into they need a tank
on this team, like they need anabsolute like tank, but that
also is gonna play in likethere's a wild card on this team
that they can't equate for.
Yeah.
So I I thought about it too.
I I think because and I thinkit's intentional they made that
joke about the serums, because Ithink that's going to be the
point of like this is these likeyou guys have a super soldier

(45:51):
serum, we have the super soldierserum now, um, I think it's
going to be the one that buckygot the, the regular one.
Oh, you got the high.
Oh, so regular regular, no, no,regular hydra, oh, hydra, hydra
fancy um, I think they're gonnado it as, like, think about
every single super soldier, likethe gamma radiation mixed with

(46:15):
the super soldier serum thaterskine and then the guy that
was in the lab and falcon andthe winter soldier cultivated
yeah, mixed with the extremis.
Like the extremis is probablygoing to be the active
ingredient that keeps it going.
Hence he has the power of amillion exploding suns.
Like the extremists is like thecatalyst to keep it going, like
that's why he's so powerful.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
And then, given all the super soldier stuff, do you
think Zemo's in this movie?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
There's a very big chance.
And does Daniel Brühl not fitperfectly into this movie?
Yeah, as like the backdoor,like he's the one that's
actually pulling the stringsbehind this.
Yeah, it's what happens in thecomics.
That's exactly how it goes inthe comics.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I think he's in this, I think he's in it.
I think they're keeping it asecret, I think they're
surrounding it with all thesentry business and I think he's
.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I think he's in this movie I think, well, you think
he's in bed with val.
I think him and val are like,working together to like, but
val doesn't understand what thelike, the genie she's taking out
of the bottle doing this yeah,because you're waiting again,
like kind of like to the agathapoint, like they left zemo off
as like this fun kind of like.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
he's like all right, he's kind of like an okay guy,
but like you gotta remember whoyou're dealing with and I think
this movie, I think he comesback and he's like an asshole.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Well, I think it also goes to this bigger point of
like well, if I can't kill theAvengers or break them, I'll
make my own Avengers.
I'm Nick Fury, Even when I'mout.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I'm in Go and the last bit of news.
It's a big bit of news and it'sDenzel news.
It's Denzel Corner.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
It is the Denzel Corner.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Denzel has essentially given his roadmap
for the remainder of his actingcareer before he did clarify
some of those comments today andbasically said, like you know,
these are the films that are onmy slate, but then I also I want
to kind of like, do some behindthe camera work, like after I'm
done filming these movies.
But he has essentially givenhis roadmap for, like what the

(48:10):
rest of his acting career islooking like.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Is he not the coolest guy on planet?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
earth.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
The way he even said he's like after that I got
Othello, after Othello I haveKing Mead and then I'm retiring.
And he said after that RyanCoogler's got a role for me in
Black Panther 3.
After that I'm retiring.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, denzel.
Everybody's like whoa, what didyou say?
Go back, rewind that a bit.
So yeah, so he talked aboutobviously he's doing Gladiator 2
.
Then he said he's playingHannibal in a movie, he's doing
live.
He's doing Othello on the stageon Broadway.
So I mean, if you can get outand see Denzel on Broadway,

(48:49):
that'd be sick.
He's also doing a filmadaptation of Othello, which I
mean if anyone saw Macbeth, Isure did and it's great.
So any of Denzel's Shakespearestuff I'm all in on.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I remember when I saw him and for instance, mcdormand
and Macbeth, I said it's funny,because I think I said this to
you.
I said I love the back half ofhis career and we're going to
talk about it and who I think hecould be playing in Black
Panther 3.
Like this is who Denzel builthimself upon before.
He was like this big Denzelthat we all knew.

(49:23):
Like this is a shakespeare guythrough and through, like that's
, like it's so funny that, likethat, he's ending his career in
such like a historical mindset.
I think that's so cool yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
So he's doing hannibal, he's doing othello,
he's doing king lear, he's doingan untitled project with steve
mcqueen.
I have an idea now.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well, steve mcqueen has blitz out with soirse Ronan
right now, which is getting ravereviews.
So Steve McQueen too, I meanhe's a phenomenal filmmaker.
He's a filmmaker where peoplewill seek out Now hear me out,
Hear me out, Hear me out.
You do Steve McQueen.
He gets his Bond movie.
He gets Desmond Idris.
Denzel is the villain of thisBond movie.
Denzel Bond villain as one ofthe last roles of his career.

(50:04):
That would be fabulous.
You don't think Denzel wouldcook as a Bond villain?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Oh my god, yeah, he would be incredible.
I love that.
And then I mean, obviously thelittle tidbit that he just kind
of threw in there that obviouslydrew the attention of all the
nerds is that Ryan Coogler iswriting a part for him in the
next Black Panther movie.
Yeah, that was crazy and hejust dropped that in there.
That just tells you, like youknow, that's how you know,

(50:29):
denzel just isn't tapped intolike nerd culture nor cares,
right, he just threw that inthere.
He's like Ryan Coogler iswriting a part for me in the
next Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And another thing and and then I'm retiring.
Whoa Jesus, you can't justbreeze past that bit Now he's
not playing.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Blue Marvel nerd Shut up.
Yeah, I'm like, look, this isone and done for him.
He's not going to be part, he'snot in the MCU, he's doing one
thing and then he's out becausehe wants to work with Ryan
Coogler.
I think that much is obvious.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
You've been saying this for a while and obviously
I've thought it, but you've beensaying this for a while on here
, off of here.
I don't think people reallyunderstand how potent Ryan
Coogler is.
Did he just turn 40 orsomething?
Ryan Coogler is.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
He's like 38 or 39.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I think this about him and Damien Chazelle of of
like, they haven't even hit thestrides of their career and they
have two of the most 38, both,I think they're both 38 and two
of they two of them a piece havelike some of the most
influential films of all time,yeah, under their belts.
Yep, like I think that peopleare gonna go out of their way.
And I again, I think peoplealso took notice too, like when

(51:42):
ryan coogler dropped thattrailer, um, for sinners, people
were like, ooh, no, no, no,he's going to be like, he's
somebody to like.
Actually, why did you listen tohis, to his podcast that he had
Jordan Peele on a few, like amonth ago that everybody was
talking about, oh, it was sogood.
Um, I, jordan Peele is anotherone where it's like, who is
Jordan Peele?

(52:03):
Now?
He is one of the biggest namesof a director that's not
attached to a franchise you canfind, and you see how much
respect they have for RyanCoogler.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
That's not by mistake , ryan Coogler's mind is a
phenomenal one when it comes tothis.
Yeah, I mean, this is a uniquesituation, like I said, as soon
as Denzel said it, I was likethis is Denzel Knowing his
timeline and knowing RyanCoogler's kind of trajectory and
being like, no, I would like towork with this young man?

(52:35):
You know, I think that'sultimately what this is, and I
don't know who made the call towho first.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I think and I mean I talk about this a lot of how I
look at black Panther too, andI'm like this, I'm borderline.
This universe doesn't deservethis movie Like this.
This movie is so technicallysound, it's narratively sound,
it's a movie that almost existsin like a vacuum.
I was thinking about it Cause Isaw people online.
I was like reading the commentsCause they showed a clip from

(53:04):
the movie and people were like Ican't believe that I and people
are like I can't believe that.
I said this is like too goodfor you to understand how,
truthfully, this is like anincredible, just film.
Like it's like outside of theMCU.
This is just a well-made filmperiod.
Like the fact that this isattached to this universe.
You should be grateful for that.
This is attached to thisuniverse.
So, like I said, it's not bymistake that Denzel Washington I

(53:27):
think Denzel might have gavethe call to Ryan, because I mean
, obviously Angela Bassett andDenzel Washington, you're
talking about two of the mostfamous actors on the planet, so
it wouldn't be a coincidencethat Angela's like look at the
performance I got, and that'sAngela Bassett.
She would have given a similarperformance.
No matter, but a director actorrelationship is something
sacred, so I do think thatelamight have had a little say in

(53:50):
it and like this kid is not kid,but like this guy.
I mean he is a kid really tothem.
He's like this guy is good,like he is.
He is good and he's empoweringto us, like he's somebody that
like 10, 15, 20 years from now,like he might be, like we might
think of him in some breath assome all-time great directors.
If he's not there already, heis good and she probably knows.

(54:12):
I know you don't got a lot oftime left.
He's 70.
You don't have a lot of timeleft doing this.
Take a crack If you're going towork with him for something.
Obviously he's ingrained intothis Black Panther franchise,
which I think this is going tobe the last.
This will be the last BlackPanther movie.
I think Probably this will bethe last Black Panther movie.
I think Probably.
Do you just what did I say toyou?
You make him the first BlackPanther.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I think that makes a lot of sense because I know a
lot of people were kickingaround the idea of him being
kind of like a T'Challa fromanother universe and I'm like I
just the closeness that he hadwith Chadwick Boseman, I don't
think he would step on thatcharacter Right just out of
respect and reverence forChadwick, because I mean, one of
Chadwick's speeches was thereis no Black Panther without
Denzel Washington.
And I think Coogler has alwaysbeen very cognizant of deploying

(54:57):
these real-life situations.
I mean, obviously WakandaForever was built around that
but he's been very good aboutdeploying these real-life
situations into these BlackPanther movies and I think
obviously the closeness that hehad with Chadwick also, I think
that line from that speech thatthere is no Black Panther
without Denzel Washington, Ithink that is going to be the

(55:18):
the tether to whatever this roleis.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
And, like I said, what better way to make him the
first Black Panther?
Like he is, you can make himthe first Black Panther.
You can make him the firstblack panther.
You can make him t'challa'sgrandfather from the 40s.
If you want to do that too, um,you can make him the black the
wartime black panther from worldwar ii.
If you really want to go thatroute, um could conceivably that
can conceivably get isaiahbradley into this movie.
In a way, you get a youngeractor to play who?

(55:42):
I?
I don't know what you go, butyou have options.
You can make him the panthergod, if you want to.
You can use that route.
I just think one of the bestways to do it is you make him
the first Black Panther.
It's just how does this get intothis narrative?
And again, we don't know whatthis narrative is going to look
like.
Yeah, we have no clue.
Yeah, this is like we knew andwe knew this before Chadwick

(56:04):
Boseman passed away that Namorlike and if you know comics, you
knew they were on a collisioncourse the two of them as well,
like you knew that namor andblack panther were good.
We're gonna butt heads at somepoint.
So do you do you?
Do you reuse talacon in thisone?
I don't know.
Like I know, some stuffhappened with the namor actor,
like it's been like to the pointof like he doesn't exist to us

(56:26):
right now.
So, yeah, I wonder whatdirection you'd take for
something like this, becauseconceivably, this movie is going
to come out after secret wars.
This movie probably won't comeout oh yeah, it's 20 till 2027
probably, unless they fast trackthis I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I mean, when you look at kugler's filmography, he
it's usually like three to fouryears between films for him.
Right and sinners comes outnext year, so you're probably
looking at 2028, the earliest.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I think he understands Denzel's age on top
of that too.
So he might say like hey, we'regoing to maybe get this a
little faster than anything too.
So that's kind of like my bestbet.
Like you make him Because Imean they showed that first
Black Panther in the openingsequence of Black Panther 1.
Like I think that would be socool.
Like I said, he could beT'Challa's grandfather on top of

(57:16):
this too, or he could be somecompletely different.
He doesn't even need to beWakandan, he could be some other
completely different character.
I think he's going to beWakandan.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I just think he's going to be.
I think, again, coogler doessuch a great job with these
black panther movies of ofinjecting real life into the
narratives and the characters,and I think he's.
Denzel.
Being in this is like no, we'regonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
.
Pay respect and homage todenzel washington through this
role that I create for him now,how big is this role gonna be is

(57:47):
a good question too.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Because, like you're, because you're battling with
two, with three, with threethings.
The first battle is that'sdenzel washington.
That's literally one of themost famous men to walk this
planet.
If any way you want to slice itin the entertainment business,
like, do you just not cameo him,but do you like john carl
esposito him and, like you know,you give him this character

(58:08):
that's like a comic D-lister andit's like he.
But the fact that it's DenzelWashington helps this character.
Do you give him, like, thevillain role of this movie?
That can be a way to of, likehe gives him this, he could give
him the villain role of thismovie.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I'm thinking I'm thinking more along the lines of
like Angela Bassett supportingrole, where he just kind of
cooks with like one big denzelmonologue and then he's just
kind of like a supporting role,like throughout the movie.
Or maybe, like you said, maybehe is like the first black
panther and they use him on likethe ancestral plane and he
delivers like some denzel speechfrom the ancestral plane, right

(58:48):
, and you're like damn, like,damn, he's cool I need them to
have trust and do one thing keepleticia right as the main
character of this movie.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I think that is something that I mean.
We talked about performancesacross the mcu.
I still think that is one ofthe best performances we had
ever seen in this universe too.
Yeah, I, I think you go out ofyour way to make sure she comes
back for the third one, and andagain, don't over complicate
this.
I mean, I know they got thiskid to be t'challa's son, like I

(59:20):
know they did these things.
I know secret wars is gonnamess with the timeline.
Things are gonna happen.
Universe is gonna start tocollapse.
Just leave her as black panther.
She did dang great.
Just make her black pantheragain.
She's the black panther ofwakanda.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
That's the end of the story yep, yeah, I did, I just
couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I couldn't believe it , I was watching and like, yeah,
it was just, it was like atrain of like.
He was just like, after that,ron cougar's writing a role for
me in black, I said whoa, whoa,because I mean that was like
always like the pipe dream,right like you're like denzel.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Would that Ryan Coogler's writing a role for me
in Black Panther?
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa Because I mean that was
always like the pipe dream,right, you're like Denzel would
never do a Marvel movie.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Right, it's not only Denzel, but it's like these
bigger actors, it's like yourTom Hanks, your Denzel
Washingtons You're like theywould never do a Marvel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And then Denzel Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
He wouldn't do a Marvel movie with any other
director.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Denzel's probably like what's Marvel.
Like Denzel, we want you to bein the next Ant-Man movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Jonathan Major said you want me to be where?
Oh no, Denzel's Kang, no, stopit, we're not doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
We're not doing this.
He's one and done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Remember the rumors, like the fake rumors that Denzel
was going to be Doom for alittle bit or that he was going
to be Dormammu?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, no In Doctor Strange 3?
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Maybe he's Dormammu in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
He would cook as Dormammu.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, he would Ha.
Ha, Stephen Strange, stephenStrange, stephen Strange,
stephen Strange, he will be myinstrument.
Yo, I gotta see Gladiator man.
He's in the Dark Dimension.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Whoa, we had Dormammu already.
He was in the first DoctorStrange.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Oh God, what do you mean by the Dark Dimension?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Come on, man Don't do this.
Uh, dormammu.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Dormammu was shook.
He was shook.
He said what the he said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
let me out of this.
No, doctor Strange said I'm notgoing to.
No, dr Strange said I'm notgoing to.
No, I'm Stephen Strange and I'ma prick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I'm Luke Cage, rob just dabs, so everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I like that Dr Strange beat Dormammu just by
being annoying.
Yeah, he was just persistent.
Dormammu was like what is?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
this.
What is this?
Who's here?
Who's here?
I would, I would give, I'm andyou know exactly what I'm about
to say I would give any amountof money that you can ever think
to have on planet earth to seedenzel, as whatever character
he'll be, and nick fury in thesame room at the same time.

(01:02:09):
That would be incredible.
Throw Sidewinder John CarlosEsposito into that conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Why couldn't?
Oh my God, that's one of thosethings where I wish they would
have waited like three yearsuntil the X-Men are out and just
make him one of the X-Mencharacters instead?
Yeah, because why is heSidewinder?
He's like a third tier villainin this movie now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Because he's in the Serpent Society.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Maybe they should do the thing from like where the
Serpent Societies are like justidiots.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
The Serpent Society.
God, you think he's going tosay that no, in Captain America
3.
Or Captain America 4.
I'm Sidewinder, I'm in theSerpent Society and Sam's like
huh, serpent Society.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
And Sam's like huh Drew.
John Carl Esposito from Cooler.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Stuff Than this Damn.
We did the news for an hour.
Alright, penguin, you'regetting an abridged review.
Penguin, you're getting anabridged review.
You didn't deserve one, but wehad to talk about Denzel
Washington for 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
The Penguin Vic, I gotta say Vic, Vic, I gotta say
they don't think we're nothing,Vic, they throw us in these
streets.
They don't think we're anythingDang.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
The extension of the Batman cinematic universe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
And I will say this right now Take notes this is how
you extend out in universe.
Yes, this is how you do it.
This is literally how you do it.
This is literally how you do it.
This is the textbook definitionof how to round out a universe.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
You know what the cool part about this show was?
People were seeing the previewsand all this stuff and they're
like is this just the Sopranos?
And Matt Reeves was like yeah,yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
He's still that same Oz from the Batman, but he just
says the f word a lot, yeah.
But also I'm gonna make thispoint later because this, this
show did something that I wasn'teven equating for thinking
about the show, because you'rethinking about the sopranos cops
, all those things right, allthe crime thriller things.
This show does so good witharkham to a point where I'm like

(01:04:11):
, just do a show at arkham.
Maybe isn't that supposed to behappening.
I don't know if it's stillhappening.
I know it was an idea that theyhad, because what you probably
do, and also this show beinglike an emmy-esque, type of like
the emmys roll around.
Colin farrell probably has thatemmy right now.
That's how good, that's howgood he, that's how good the
show was.
So what you're going toprobably think about is HBO

(01:04:35):
themselves being like yo thePenguin was like weak, but yo,
hbo was like yo the Penguinrocks.
No, seriously, hbo was likedude, we were not expecting this
show to pop off like this.
So HBO's probably like MattReeves do whatever show you want

(01:04:56):
.
Yeah, I feel like this is kindof like the.
I mean, if the Batman alreadywasn't that, this was definitely
that.
Who made this point?
One of the reviewers made agreat point.
They're probably kickingthemselves that they made a show
called gotham, because theycould have just made a show
called gotham for this.
Come on man, gotham was cool.
Gotham was cool in the firstfew seasons, then it got weird.

(01:05:18):
It was still cool.
Is he cool?
hell, yeah, he's cool, I'mgotham yo but you probably this
show probably gets more showsgreen lit that they probably
weren't expecting.
So this arkham show you canreally play that arkham show if
you want to.
You make hugo strange, thevillain of a show like that, and

(01:05:41):
you put, uh, what's your namein it?
You put sophia back in thisshow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, she was oh my god, we'll talk, we can talk
about her.
We can talk about her now.
Um, before that, I do want totalk, you know, obviously.
I mean the.
The lead-up to the show waspretty straightforward um this,
yeah, the show's not like a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
The best surprise about the show is how dang good
it was.
There's not like a.
Yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
They weren't kind of like attention went to it like I
didn't.
I guess I didn't expect, Idon't know.
I guess I didn't expect them tolike care this much about it
well, that's what we were.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
We didn't say that exactly, but we were kind of, we
were kind of roundabouting it.
When we were talking about this, like when the first preview
came out for this last year, wewere like this could be
something like this, it lookscool, this is the penguin, and
you know, john the penguin youknow what this show does, that
you know a lot of great spinoffsor whatever do it makes it

(01:06:38):
doesn't just do a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
it like it makes you care about the character that
it's about, exactly like itmakes you want to see him again.
It makes him bigger, it makeshim a bigger character, it
elevates him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But then and then they don't forget the one thing
we started this episode withthat's still the Penguin from DC
Comics.
That's still the villain, thePenguin.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
But it elevates him to a real villain.
Now which?
I think it needed to do yes,cause, like the, the end of the
Batman leaves him like likeyou're like, oh, he's kind of
like he's about to start hisascent right.
Cause Falcone dies and there'sa vacuum.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
They literally say it there's a power vacuum in
Gotham.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
And you just I guess he's just going into this you
wonder, you just going into this, you wonder how much of his
ascent is going to be in thisshow.
They put the whole thing, yeah,yeah, that's what it ended up
being, is it's like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
no, he's like going into the next batman movie as
like, potentially like thevillain he he conceivably could
be.
I think what they're going todo is extend him because I again
I think h again to my job.
Like hbo is like yo what thethis show is awesome.
Like hbo is's gonna probablytry to milk this as much as they
can and like what a goodreoccurring villain too.
As somebody like as charismatic, as like you wanna talk about
charisma, like Colin Farrell isoozing it as like you know, you

(01:08:02):
made it when you scroll onTikTok and everybody's doing the
limp walk and everybody's likeand everybody's like Vic.
They didn't want us to beanything.
And look at us now.
Vic like he is dangerously goodas the penguin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I mean like absurdly good it's what you get him for
right.
He was kind of like the garnishin the Batman, like he was
great but like ultimately youdidn't need him, but like he was
just like the garnish in the inthe Batman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
And you want to talk about rounding out the universe.
Then, once he gets his ownnarrative, his emotional
narrative like you learn thethings about his life You're
like, oh, I can't wait to seehim.
And then I I can we talkspoilers?
I guess yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then when you get into it andhe murders Vic at the end,
you're like no, I need Batman totake this guy out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
He knew it was coming .
I love what they did with thatcharacter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, that character, because he's the audience
surrogate, right, he's thetether, he's the one that like
he's the one that's supposed tomake you believe in the
perspective piece we also alwaystalk about.
From his perspective, he isjust a kid who's trying to make
it, who lost his family, thatwhatever means necessary, he's

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going to get there, aredeemable-esque character.
But then Oz is like yeah, youneed to die because you know
things about me, because I'm themain villain of the.
This show is about me.
I'm still the main villain,though I hope you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yep, and just the way the show is structured around,
they do such a good job with Ozand Sophia, especially Because
it's like, obviously, you startthe show and Oz is a bad guy,
right, and then Sophia shows upand you're like well, she's just
unhinged.
So you think Oz is like.
They position Oz as the quoteunquote good guy against her

(01:09:51):
because she's this maniac, andwe're like he's a maniac, but
he's like he's got morals, he'sa normal maniac, right, he's
just a crime guy.
Yeah, he's just a mobster,Right, she's a proper maniac.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And then they literally completely flip that.
Yeah, it's insane, he's themaniac, he is the maniac, he's a
psycho.
And that goes to my point aboutArkham Dude, it's the whole
thing.
You know the ideology aroundevery character in the Batman
universe.
It's the idea that all of themare all in Gotham or they're all
in Arkham, even Batman, everysingle one of them is in Arkham.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
You find out at the end that the penguin could
probably be in arkham if heneeds to be like he is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yes, he's a psycho yeah, and it comes, and it comes
in the form of we're gonna makeit out.
Ma what he does at the end, notjust to vic but just everybody
around him, is like insane youwant to talk about a certified
yapper who didn't we talk aboutthis one week I forgot what we
were talking about, likesomebody that can yap their way
out of anything, like oz couldyap his way out of anything yeah

(01:10:59):
, yeah, and he does over andover again in this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
He does um and time and time again.
The cool thing about him in theshow is, like, time and time
again, like he just betrayseverybody, you're just like
whatever, like you don't carethat he's betraying Sophia or
like any of these other mobsters.
You care when he betrays Vic,though, and that's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
And it's so good and they hold it.
They hold it right until theright spot he holds it like
Reeves holds it until you thinkit's safe.
Right, yes, which is?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
perfect.
You're like oh cool, they'reboth kind of villains, but
they're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
And it also frames it in a way where they set up Vic
being unsafe.
Also in that same episode, inthe finale, in the beginning,
they said you need to wash yourback.
And guess who?
Vic needed to wash his back outfor the guy that he trusted the
most.
It's so sick, it's sick.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
It's so good they're going to do crime together.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
This is going to be great, this kid is going to grow
up to be something like thiskid.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
And that's what the show again going back to the
point about, like they didn'tredeem him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
No, he's the penguin, he's the villain.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, he's a terrible guy.
He is a terrible guy, he's.
You know.
You could make the argumentthat, like in the pantheon of
like Gotham villains likethere's nothing like wrong with
him In the way that there is,like the Riddler or the Joker,
to where like In the comicsmaybe, but but in this show he's
got some issues yeah, but it'slike they're not.

(01:12:32):
He's like he doesn't have likean excuse to be like a maniac
the way like the joker, butthat's where the crime comes
into this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
That's where the crime aspect of this comes.
It's like you know, I saw thisgangster, rex calabrese, when I
was a kid and I wanted to bejust like him, like that's where
it works, that that's wherethat piece works.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Like he just grew up wanting to be a bad person.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Well, he wanted to grow, but then you give them
their emotional tether, which ishis ma, yeah, exactly which.
There was a wonderfulperformance by whoever played
his mother as well.
Yes, what an incredibleperformance that was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
This show is just littered with great performances
.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Deidre O'Connell she was phenomenal as Mama Cobb, as
I like to call her.
So yeah, you talk performances.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
We can talk about Sophia Falcone as well too yeah,
I mean, krista Milati kind ofcame on as like the kind of like
the star of this oh you want totalk about to the point where I
genuinely think she has a rolein the Batman too, which she
never would have.
Well, I mean the end of theshow sets up her direct ties to
Selina Kyle Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
So did they do the same thing for the Batman, where
they do the Joker tease at theend?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
They did the same thing.
It's like the Dark Knight Risesthing.
She'd use a real name kyle man,what was carmen?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
falcon cooking.
Yeah, mark strong.
Shout out for mark strongcoming in taking it it is.
It's very I like it, becauseyou know how I think about it,
how I justified it.
His carmine falcon is whatsophia sees it's not, it's, it's
such a good point.
It's what sophia sees.
It's like in your brain.
It's like john tutoro's, thiseccentric like, and mark

(01:14:18):
strong's very like by the books.
He's very like that's a greatpoint, but like that's your
father.
So how would you see yourfather, your father's also like
that?
Your father also see my fatheras mark strong instead of john
to tarot.
You know, I personally wouldn'tknow, but but yeah, that's

(01:14:48):
everybody's dad.
Yeah, mark strong, you're johnmark strong.
Wait, mark strong was in, wasin shazam one was he?
Yeah, he was the villain, oh mygod he was dr savannah and he
came back for shazam.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Fear of the gods, that weird post-credit scene
with that dang caterpillar.
That movie was all right, yeah,but zachary levi, no good.
Yeah, he just went off therails he did go off the rail.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
We gotta study what happened to zachary levi,
because he just like lost it.
What happened there?

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
he's also gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Mark strong is also gonna be doing prophecy yeah,
yeah, he's playing one, I thinkhe's playing.
He's playing the emperor, yeah,he's playing.
Yeah, he's playing one of theoriginal Carinos.
Is he just like HBO's guy?
Maybe?
I mean, you know how these workfor some streaming service.
They have some of these guysand gals.
Put him in the Last of Us.
Why not Mark Strong in the Lastof Us?
I don't know.

(01:15:41):
I feel like that would bereally cool.
He's got that voice man, I know.
And again, harkening back tothat point I was making like
that's how Sophia sees him, islike this, like stern, like
never lets me do anything like,but also protective like.
But then, like you look at theBatman and like that's how
Selina sees him, selina sees himas like as John Turturro, as

(01:16:01):
John Turturro from the BigLebowski, like this slimy, like
scummy, like anything to getahead.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
That's a great point.
I don't know if that's how theyintended it, but it's a great
way to justify it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Well, I mean the intention.
It's a great way to justify it.
The intention was they couldn'tget Jon Serrow.
That was the intention.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I know, but it's a great way to justify it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
So, because he's a little bit more reserved, he's
just, he's just march strong,which I really appreciate.
It's such a subtle little piecebut, um, you know, it's such a
great pickup, like it's one ofthose things it's like, wow, we,
we made this work.
We made this nearly impossiblething that we would get killed

(01:16:40):
on, much other shows would getkilled on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
We made it work yeah, and then they do a little team
up until oz has no more need forher, which is great.
Mm-hmm, because again, like theshow starts and you think like
she's, you think she's the onethat's kind of like the good guy
, yeah, and you think like she'skind of like in control, right,
but like no dude.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
He's in control Right .

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Man.
It works so well too, becausethis show has such great bait
and switches too, because youthink what this whole narrative
is going to be, as like shedoesn't know that he killed her
brother R RIP.
Um uh, young Falcone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Alberto Falcone yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
RIP Alberto Falcone.
The son from the Sopranos wouldhave loved you anyway.
Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, no, Ithink it because the first arc
of the season, you think like,oh, they're just gonna work,
like he's gonna have to holdthis secret till the last
possible moment.
But then you don't equate foroz being, like I said, he's a

(01:17:42):
psycho, like he's actually.
Well, he's not, he's anarcissist.
That's what he is like.
He's like he has no empathy,like he does.
But the old and his lastempathy piece is gone.
So now he's gone.
Like this was the like, thiswas the last sailing of the ship
to crazy town for him to be thecrime lord that he's always
wanted to be.
They even gave him oh no, theygave him the suit up scene.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
At the end they did yeah, he's the penguin now and
then, like you think it's gonnabe this thing where, like she,
she, you know, her and Penguinare going to team up right and
take out the Falcone family, andshe's like, nah, I'm just going
to do it myself.
She channels her like her innerThanos and she just kills them
all.
It's insane, like it's wild andlike you know.

(01:18:27):
And then, like you know, andthen like at the end of it, like
he just sends her back toArkham, mm-hmm, and it's like
you know, you've outlived yourusefulness, essentially Mm-hmm
and I'm going to.
And you know what the greatpart about you know, because I
saw people being like, why don'tyou just kill Sophia?

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Because, odd knows, sending her back to Arkham is
the worst thing you couldpossibly do to her Death would
be a sweet release compared toif that place was hell for her.
That was actual hell.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
So I'm going to send her back there, right?
Because he's a maniac.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Man, I'm just thinking about this show.
I mean we could talk about Vicfor a little bit, because it was
one of those characters I wasafraid of a bit Like I was
afraid for this character to belost in the sauce.
Yeah, it's always weird whenyou.
He also gets the John DavidWashington Can he Act Award.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
It's weird when you create these insert characters.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
You know how the nerds do it, because their first
thought was could he be VictorZsasz?
Some people thought he wasgoing to turn into Mr Freak Whoa
Because his name is vick.
Well, I like the victor's eyesone a little bit of like he just
fully goes crazy and startscutting himself after, like I
thought, like what I thought wasgoing to happen after he kills,

(01:19:41):
like the guy that was like inhis neighborhood, like the, the
one little drug guy that was inhis neighborhood.
Like after he kills him, he wasgoing to like cut himself first
one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
But the yeah, these insert characters are always
tricky to pull off becausethey're new, like they're new
characters, like obviously hewas inspired by Jason Todd, like
that's like the parallel.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Um, let's, let's, let's bring Agatha into this.
If we use this comparison,right, he, he is in the show,
like he's, he's the teen in theshow, right, what this uses him
for?
It's the one of my favoritescenes in this whole in the
penguin was it was the, andremember they happened.
Both these episodes happened inthe same week.
I'm pretty sure of like it wasthe throwback to like the

(01:20:23):
original thing that happened andI said, dude, I can't believe
that they did.
I can't believe both theseshows did the same thing and
they both worked on each end oflike showing the incident.
So the seawall breaking, likethat perspective from vick, from
the roof, that I was like, Iwas like a jarring watch.
I was just like like obviouslyin the batman, you feel it, but
like you're also in this, likethis detective crime, thriller,

(01:20:45):
superhero movie, but like hereyou're like a top, it's like a
top down.
Look at it too exactly, andyou're like, because, like
there's like a vulnerability,you're now watching this one
with.
You're like, oh my god, likeall, and I felt it like I was
watching like, like the riddlermurdered all of these people,
like these people's lives weregotham's life as, like a city
was changed forever that is,it's a, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
it's a way, way better and a way more
sophisticated version of whatHawkeye did with Kate Bishop Yep
, like showing her in the throesof the Battle of New York and
she was just like a regular girlin the middle of this alien
invasion.
Obviously the penguin is betterthan Hawkeye, but it's like a
similar go from top down view,because as a viewer you can get

(01:21:28):
kind of like desensitized tolike a big city leveling event.
yeah, and like I said, in theBatman movie that happens like
it's like it's like the theterrorist attack is just a
vehicle to get to the finalconfrontation, whereas, like
what this show did, was it theterrorist attack was a terrorist
attack.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Like people were brutally murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
It went top down to like this way, like it went
horizontal.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
This show also does a really good job of immediately
making you root for Vic.
Like again which it needed todo it's your POV character, but
immediately it was likeespecially for Oz, and then it
gives you such this relationshipto Oz of like maybe Oz isn't
the worst guy Like you want toroot for him and you want him to
get out.
You want him to get the thingthat he wants?
Yeah, like, hey, I'm not goingto kill you, kid, I'm going to

(01:22:14):
bring you under my wing.
Let's take this city, and youbought it, just like the penguin
.
That's all he does.
He just sells himself.
That's his biggest thing.
I'm just going to sell yourselfon me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
And then I'm going to murder you.
Yeah, which again, you don'tneed your insert character to be
your main character.
Mortal Kombat suffered fromthis.
They made their insertcharacter the main character and
you're like wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
I don't care about you, he's not that interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
He shouldn't be the main character.
He never was.
Scorpion was the main character, but Vic does that too, where
he's not the main character.
He's just our insertion intothe world and he's a character
that we can live through.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
so that makes it even more heartbreaking when he dies
and you see how much oz caresfor him, how much oz sees
himself in him as well too.
Um, not, it's not how oz again,it's his perspective.
It's not how the audience seesOz.
It's how Oz physically sees, inhis psychotic, twisted way, how
he thinks of that.

(01:23:14):
To him of like, hey, there wasthis gangster in my neighborhood
he gave me, I'm going to giveyou a shot.
No, you're a psychopath thatkilled his brothers.
You're nuts.
You've lost it.
You want to get nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Come on, man.
I wish Sam would have saidthat's a red hulk in that
catholic controller.
You want to get nuts?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
you want to get nuts, let's get nuts, and then, sam
turns into a hulk which hulk youhave the red hulk, blue hulk,
red, white and blue hulk, red,white and blue hulk, american
hulk, american hulk um penguin.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Uh, what else happens in this show?
I mean you see American Hulk,american Hulk Penguin.
What else happens in this show?

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
I mean you see the power dynamic of Gotham Shift.
So we have, you have Alberto,not Alberto.
Excuse me, you have Carmine,not Carmine.
Falcone, sabasor, maroney,there it is.
Clancy Brown, clancy Brown, mrKrabs is here we love Clancy
Brown on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Channel favorite, clancy Brown.
He's great, he is great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
He's great in everything.
Did he give Maroney vibes?
No, no, he gave Clancy Brownvibes.
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
He was like are you From Oklahoma?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
You're a little too burly to be a mobster, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
No no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
That guy's not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Italian.
No, his name is Clancy, firstof all.
No, I mean Salvador, butessentially you know Salvador's
in prison and Penguin's like.
I got this new drug, bliss,it's the big one.
No, not another fake drug inthis universe.
You think of what I'm thinking?
For Bliss what?
It's the prerequisite or theprelude to whatever the fear
toxin's going to be, becausewhere do they get it from?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
The Bliss.
Do they have a cool name Likethe Dropheads?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
The Blissites, the Blissfits, the Blissfits.
Ooh, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I'm having a Blissfit .
I'm having a Blisfit Batman 2,Blisfits versus Dropheads have
them duke it out in the streets,batman's, just like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Oh no, a bunch of drug addicts are fighting each
other in the streets, we'll savethat for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Talking about the Batman, we'll save it.
Where is he?
No, just wait, just wait, justwait, just wait.
So essentially, I love the waythis show starts too, because,
boo, like you think, it dropsyou right back in.
And then also you think aboutit too, of like, okay, alberto
Falcone, we just had CarmineFalcone, like Alberto's gonna be

(01:25:41):
in this thing, pops himimmediately, murders him well,
yeah, cause the, it's the, youknow, the prodigal son kind of
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
It's the prodigal son kind of thing you think is
going to play out.
He's the heir apparent, he'scoming to avenge his father's
throne.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
How show of it.
How spin-off as well.
Yeah, exactly, immediately.
No, immediately, no.
Yeah, just out of Oz beingangry, oz being Oz, that's
exactly who he is.
He's like don't talk crap aboutme, I don't care who you, and
again, and he gives the O andthen the Batman or the Penguin
logo shows on the screen and Iwas like I immediately was sold,

(01:26:16):
immediately, was sold afterthat too, and it's like it's
such a catalyst to start theshow, like how better to do it?
Yep, sophia shows up.
She's like I don't know whocould have done this.
But what if we ran Gotham?
What are your thoughts on this?
I was thinking maybe you and meteam up, they get the bliss

(01:26:40):
operation.
Everything's running.
Oz is starting to kind of ropeVic in a little bit.
He's trying to give Vic more.
You learn.
Oz has a mother, but nosiblings.
Hmm, hmm, huh, I'm nomathematician, but something's
not adding up.
That man.
The Arkham Anthology notAnthology, but the
Arkham-centric episode withSophia, or Sophia's episode,

(01:27:02):
basically.
Oh, it's incredible.
Was that the episode that wasthe highest rated episode on?
Yes, it was one of the highestrated episodes on IMDB that
they've ever had and it'sbrilliant it's such a good way
to get again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
It's a great way to deploy the audience into this
character and kind of make youfeel bad for her, even though
she's a maniac but why are you amaniac?

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
why are you like this ?
Why are you like this?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
don't know, um, yeah, and then that's when she
ultimately learns what happenedto her brother.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Yo, oz is crazy.
Remember when he kidnappedSalator's son?
Yeah, and then he just killshim and his wife, yes.
What a psycho dude.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Yeah, and then you realize this character in Sofia
Falcone has been so hard done by.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
She thinks she's only going to be there for six
months and then Carmine's likeactually, yeah, I'm Mark Strong
and I think you should stay herefor longer, for ten years, ten
years, and then she commits herfirst murder.
But you think, what's thethought?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
that carmine kind of you know, he kind of
orchestrated this whole thing tokeep her in there, yes, to make
sure she did the murder likethat's the crazy thing about her
character, is it's like aninverse of everything you think
about, like arkham, where it'slike this home to maniacs like
arkham made her a maniac right?
Well, not just arkham, but likethe circumstance, she wasn't,

(01:28:30):
she wasn't I mean, she was anormal girl that saw her mother.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
You know her mother, quote unquote took her life,
right, he was.
She was murdered by carmine,right, he is the scranton
strangler.
He loved yo.
Carmine falcone loves a goodstrangle, both versions.
Yeah, I'm gonna over here, I'mgonna strangle you.
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
why?
Stop strangling people.
Oh no, my daughter witnessedthis.
I need to send her to themental hospital yeah.
Get out of here, boss.
Yeah, so she, yeah.
So Arkham, ultimately, is whatmakes her into who she is, which
is really interesting, right?
Because you think you're crazy,you go to Arkham, but no, like
you're normal.
Then you become crazy, right?
Which?

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
sucks Right and then it flash-forwards back to Sophia
and Sophia's like.
You know what I hate?
All of you guys.
You guys ruined everything forme.
I'm taking the Gigantes and theMaronis.
I'm running this.
I built this brick by brick.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah, she gets Maroni out, they team up, he gets
Maroney out, they team up, theyteam up.
That was a crazy team up, thatwas a crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
You're Clancy Brown.
You're Clancy Brown from allthe things.
You're Clancy Brown from JohnWick 4.
He wasn't John Wick 4.
Just that guy.
He's him.
He had a cool fedora in JohnWick 4.
And he just talked about therules.
He did talk about the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
a lot Dueling pistols .

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
I need a gun.
What a picture John Wick 4 was.
I love that movie so much.
What a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
And then I also love how Oz, when he finds out that
Moroni escapes, he's like oh mygod.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Oh yeah, oh no, and I love Clancy Brown.
If I'm not mistaken, he's abigger guy himself.
Like he's a big guy, so like Ilove how, like maroney's
presence, just like in thebatman movie, like physically
maroney comes out and he, likeyou said, I was like, oh man,
that guy's like seven feet tall,that's a big guy.
All I have is this limp.

(01:30:26):
Oz killed his brothers.
Yeah, let's talk about thatepisode, cause you're like, wait
, this guy's a proper.
So Oz watched way too much TVwhen he was a kid, saw two, saw
good fellows when he's way tooyoung.
Yeah, so he always talks aboutRex Calabrese.
It's the coolest name maybeever for a gangster.

(01:30:47):
Rex Calabrese yeah, absolutelywho's the guy that plays rex
calabrese?
Uh, it's such a good name, it'sso good, rex calabrese, that's
such a made-up name, but alsoI'd be like that's a cool name.
So essentially, what you learnis oz had his what was one older
one, one younger, he was themiddle kid.

(01:31:07):
He trapped both of them in astorm drain, wild, because he
wanted his mom all to himself.
What's up with this guy?
What's up with this?

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
guy.
I'm beginning to think he's nogood.
I don't think he's a good guy.
Lewis Cancelme plays RexCalabrese.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Did you see?
This thing that's been floatingaround online is?
They don't make faces like that, and it was him and anthony
mackie, and so he's like I'mputting a team together of guys
that just look like they're upto something.
Yeah, they look like they gotsomething they want to say, but
they can't say it um, yeah, manfinding out what oz did to his
brothers and then, because thisguy is just such a horrible
human being.

(01:31:45):
They play that so well in thefinale, where his mom's like
tell me what you did.
And Sophia's like tell your momwhat you did.
You told on me, sophia.
You told on me.
And she's like I already knewyou did it, but you still
wouldn't say it.
I've always hated you.
And he's like ah, that wait,mom, that wait real good.
Um, essentially what happens.

(01:32:08):
So you're just wrapping upthose last two.
I mean Oz, essentially Sophia,kidnaps Francis, takes her in.
She's like I'm gonna murder you, but first tell me everything,
please.
I'm gonna use the tool fromArkham.
Oh, it's shades from Luke Cage.
Shades, man.

(01:32:29):
We gotta talk about Luke Cageone day in full.
Oh, we will.
Todd Bowles is in that show.
Why did Luke Cage try out forthe New York Jets?
I don't know.
Man, that's gotta break aleague rule, right, like that
can't be allowed.
Why not?
He is?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Luke Cage yeah, why not he could?
Why not he could be a?
He play for the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Jets, they could use it anyway.
They could use it yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Theo Rossi's in.
This is um Sophia's therapist.
He's good too.
He's great.
Everyone's so good in this,like top to bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Moroni dies yeah yeah , oh, I love that.
What did he say?
He said his line again I gotyou.
Yeah, I got you.
He did get him.
He is a level one yapper.
He just kept yapping to him.
Even after he killed him hekept yapping.
Yeah, he can't help it.
I love it.
I love a game, says Oz.
I love a game.

(01:33:27):
He's the definition of lovesthe game.
I love a crime game man.
This is awesome Essentially,and episode six has one of the
best stingers Not stingers, butit's one of the best endings
when he kind of rallies all theunderground gangs.
Like what if we all workedtogether and took the gigantes
and the Maronis out, cause theydon't think about us?
Like they want to talk crime.

(01:33:47):
And where they came, they allcame from money.
None of them that are alivecame from.
Like some struggle.
Like they're all rich, likethey've always been rich.
Like we all had to work forthis.
Like what if we took them out?
We can all take them out.
They're like here's a beer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Play that of beer, play that one song that pink did
.
Um, yeah, no, that's a greatpoint.
And that was always kind oflike his framing, even in the
batman and what you know.
Falcone kind of held over himtoo, was like you suck, you know
, and I was like actually Idon't, I don't suck, I don't
suck.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
You suck maybe, but I need this job, so you don't
suck, boss.
Episode eight what a finale.
Yep, uh, vick, first off, freshoff his first kill.
Um, well, the end of set, theheaven, end of seven stinger is
sofia, essentially, you know,bombs the whole bliss.
It's basically a fake out too,because that's not even the
point.

(01:34:42):
She just needs to draw oz outof there too and his little
penguin hole.
So bombs the heck out of thatone, bombs the heck out of the
place.
And what a play out.
Play in because man, that'singrained in my brain where he
sends sophia alberto in thetrunk.
So sophia sends a bomb in thetrunk because she's a psycho.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Yeah, and then Francis is being tortured.
It's not fun, it's not a funsight.
No, no, it's no good.
Then Oz was like you do this tomy mother To my mother.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
My mother loves me and I love my mother and his
mother's like.
Well, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, that's a pretty big twist.
She knew everything.
She did know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
And she tried to kill him.
Yeah, she did.
She tried to have Rex Calabresekill him Not the coolest
mobster ever trying to kill me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
No, but she couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Because it's her son.
That is her son.
At the end of the day, that'smy boy.
They have a little.
They have a little.
You know?
Powwow yeah, the court of owlswere in this.
What the heck was that?
That was crazy.
You're the court of owls.
Wait a minute.
This courtroom looks like acourt of owls.

(01:35:59):
It looks like some sort ofcourt of owls.
Said will smith and thesuicideicide Squad?
We're some sort of court ofowls.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
So that's it.
Huh, we're some sort of courtof owls that was nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Actually I'm a penguin.
Shut up Oz.
Shut up Oz.
Oz Cobb Stupid name, idiot Dangman.
Oh God, well, they kind of doit.
They do the thing Like.
He takes out Sophia, sends herback to Arkham.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Sends her back to Arkham.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
And everybody's kind of on their side.
He did it, we did it, ma, butMa's in a vegetable state.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, all the torture , all the torture got to her.
All the trials and tribulationsof having a maniac for a son,
right Ditterin, and that's whatultimately kind of cuts that
tether, the last tether that Ozhad to any type of humanity,
right, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
What a psycho he is.
Oh God, let's get this out ofthe way, man.
So him and Vic are hanging.
Vic, I love you, vic, like ason.
We're gonna run this city, meand you, vic but you gotta die.
When Vic said the line he'slike you're the closest thing I
got to family, or whatever lineit was I said I said, aw, that's

(01:37:19):
it and he's like and it's justgonna hate me in the end, and
then just chokes him out andmurders him in cold blood.
He said I can't have anybody Ilove.
Use this leverage against me.
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Family, I hate my family.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
I hate my family.
I murdered my brothers and youthink you were good, idiot Wild.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
That was which I mean .
You ultimately knew that thiswas going to happen, did you?

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
I mean, did you?
I mean, yeah, but not like that.
I thought vick was just gonnadie.
Like I thought vick was justgonna personally because and we
didn't even talk about vick andhis love interest in the show
and like the vick makes adecision, vick picks the crime
life like he fixed.
Oh, and it's that line that rexgives.
He's like the only.
I don't need guys that arewilling to do this for money,
because they can be bought.
I need guys that are that aredoing this for money because
they can be bought.
I need guys that are doing thisbecause they need a father
figure.
I need guys that love the gameand don't have love from a

(01:38:12):
father.
That's the guys I need, becausethey're going to be loyal.
Unfortunately, vic was the guythat he was talking about for
this and I said I need to severmyself from anything that can
hurt me, because I'm going to bein the Batman part too, if you
don't know.
So I got to strap up.
I got to fight Batman.
I got to fight Batman in thenext one and he's a problem.

(01:38:33):
You ever see Robert Pattinsonfight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Um, yeah, he kills Vic and basically says like
family makes people weak.
That's why and that's the shitpart is like vick was a means to
an end.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
yeah, he was just like everybody was to him every
single last person that interact.
He was to the point he wasready to team up with salvatore
if it got him ahead.
If it doesn't work, I'll killyou, salvatore.
I'll team up with sofia.
Doesn't work, you're dead.
I'll use my mother if I need to.
If not, I don't care what typeof state you're in.
But out of the psychoticrespect for his mother, puts her

(01:39:08):
in the room, dresses up his onefemale friend as his mother to
dance with her in the penguinsuit.
At the end, what a Maybe.
This was an Arkham show trappedin a penguin show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, he's got some issues.
He does have some issues andthe biggest issue, you might
argue, is the big spotlight thatshines in the sky outside his
apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Because someone returned okay, let's talk about,
let's talk okay well, wait,let's talk about the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
The, the shades comes back and he gives sophia a
letter.
It's from your, this is fromcat woman what you're cat woman?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
you're john cat woman .
You're jill cat.
You're jill cat woman from dccomics.
What You're John Catwoman.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
You're Jill Catwoman.
You're Jill Catwoman From DCComics.
Yeah, so Sophia and Selina Kyleare half-sisters, so I'm
assuming we're going to see heragain In the Batman part two
yeah, I like it and you don'tneed to do a lot, a lot with
that character.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
She took her heavy lift in this.
Maybe just show her in Arkham.
Just make sure that actressisn't, because she is phenomenal
, yeah just make sure she's in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
She's in arkham whenever the things happen.
Maybe joker breaks her out,whatever, um, so yeah he's.
As he's dancing, there's a big,big slow, big, slow pan out and
then that's the sound effect itmakes when it goes in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
Oh, I have a theory okay all right, finally we can
talk about it.
I have two options right.
Option one, the obvious onehe's just away.
He's away.
He went to Blood Haven.
He's away.
He took a weekend off.
He comes back.
He's like ah shoot, I can nevertake P.
Batman can never take PTO again.
See what happened off Dang dude.

(01:40:43):
He took late time off.
Yeah, he did, because he's laidup with Catwoman.
Option two, the much funnieroption the Bat-Signal was out of
batteries and they were tryingto replace it for that whole
week.
So crime in Gotham was just up100% and then Jim finally got it
to go and he's like, oh God,he's gonna be so mad.

(01:41:03):
Yeah, batman's waiting, waitingoutside.
He's like dang, I guess they're, are they?
I guess I fixed.
I guess I fixed the.
I have hope now.
I guess I fixed crime.
I solved it.
I solved crime by being ahopeful figure.
I solved every crime.
There's no more crime, guys.
There was all the crime.
All the crime happened.
Every bit of batman doesn'thave the news, yeah, yeah, no,

(01:41:24):
he doesn't, no way he has thenews.
He doesn't care, he's Batman.
Alfred wasn't tapped in.
No, no, I think the oh, mythird option is that he got
recruited to be in the JusticeLeague, finally.
So he's like I'm gonna go cool,do the cool stuff in space and
stuff yeah, so obviously the batsignal coming up, we're going
into Batman part two.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
It's winter this time , still Batmanmaning what do you
do?

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
what do you?
What do you?
I mean?
I well, I mean we could justaddress, like where do you think
he is batman?
Yeah, home.
Or is it a situation where he'slike I don't, this doesn't mean
anything to anything, like tohave fun, you low-level crime
dealers, but then it's going tocome back to bite him in the
body.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
The arrow season one thing.
The Arrow Season 1 thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Right, he's like you're nothing, oh no, the Arrow
Season 1 to Season 5 thing, ohno, I don't do street crime
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
I don't do street crime, Diggle Right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
I'm too good for this .
Like why do I need to help withthis?
I have street crime.
I don't care if these peoplerobbed a bank.
Batman didn't really care aboutthe mob in the first movie.
No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
The mob was just in the way he went to that club.
How many times?
Yeah, he did, he didn't stopthe mob from doing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
No, he's like why do I sell all the drugs?
I need to talk to the PenguinRight, because the Penguin will
get me to the Riddler, Like Idon't care about any of this
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Yeah, you guys can do whatever you want.
Yeah, I'm fine, like do thecrime guys, Even when the
Riddler assassinated CarmineFalcone, Batman was like eh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Here's what it is.
Even the seawall came down.
Batman's just like where's thatdang Riddler man?

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Yeah, he was a point.
Bruce Wayne is a psycho.
He fits right in you freakingpsycho.
I'm just curious to see how.
I mean.
I do wonder if there's anelement like did Matt Reeves
know this was going to be asgood as it was, or is he

(01:43:20):
actively trying to?

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Well, it's like the Craig Mason thing where I think
that a little bit he knew he wascooking, a little bit
narratively, having so much sayin the first and last say in
this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Because now have you built this character up so well,
to the point where people arejust going to be like just make
him the villain of the secondmovie.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
I still think you find a way to do Mr Freeze in
the second movie.
I still think that's cool asheck.
If they do that, it'd be cool.
I just wonder, like how people?
He's got a big freeze gun, butit's the grounded matt reeves
verse.
Where'd you get the big freezegun from?

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
I just, I just wonder if people are going to be like
if penguin, if people are goingto think penguin is like
undercooked, if he's not likethe main undercooked.
But I do wonder if, like theythink, he's gonna be like
underserved, not being the mainvillain, like I mean, you built
him up as such a kind of a forceof nature, because what it

(01:44:13):
looked.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
I mean I think they're gonna do the court of
that we and we haven't.
And I mean you still could dopenguin as a main villain, but
it all bleeds into a bigger,bigger conspiracy More birds,
More birds.
La rata la no hablos espanolfellas.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Yeah, he can't just go back to like funny guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like he belongs in ArkhamAsylum now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, Batman shows up and he's like oh man, You're a
much bigger deal now.
Dude, I gotta deal with this.
I watched the Penguin on HBOMax.
That's what he was doing.
That's what Batman was doing.
He was watching the show.
He was watching the show on HBOMax and then he looked out the
window and he was like wait aminute, that's actually

(01:44:57):
happening here.
Wait a second.
Wait, I am in Gotham.
Wait, I thought this was just a.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
TV show Alfred.
Cancel my Mac subscription.
I gotta go take care of somethings.
I was so invested in thestoryline.
Here's my bigger party foulthat we talked about before we
hopped on here.
Who cares about Batman?
Where's Jim Gordon, thecommissioner of the police
department?
I mean, gosh darn, what are youdoing?

(01:45:23):
And there were detectives inthis show.
The guy from the Batman was inthis show, the guy with the
incredible voice.
We love you protecting this guy, jim.
They recast Kenzie.
Kenzie was in this show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Yeah, I'm still like where was anybody in this?

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
That's what I'm saying man, that guy really did
show back up in the show.
He's a bad Batman.
No, Jim Gordon's a horrible no.
Is Jim Gordon still a detectiveright now, or is he
commissioner yet?

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Didn't he get promoted to the end?
No, no, no, that's gotta beracist.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
No, he was too busy being in the Last of Us.
He did such a good job, did he?
Yeah, he coordinated everybodybeing safe in the Gotham Square
Garden, yeah and he found allthe corrupt cops, all of them.
Not all of them.
He found like seven of them andthere's like 50 of them it's
impossible to find all thecorrupt cops.
He removed a sink from a house.

(01:46:21):
That's falling apart.
He's like guys, I did it, Ifixed the whole house, I don
falling apart.
He's like guys, I did it, Ifixed the whole house.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
I don't know what jim gordon was doing he was hanging
.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
He also had a vacation.
He had a beach vacation he washanging out with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
He was hanging out with the batman.
They were watching the penguintogether.
Yeah, max, like should we dosomething about this?
It's not real it's a show.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Yeah it TV Jim.
Yeah, this documentary isawesome man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
And the bat signal.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
He's like uh-oh, Ah, shit.
Well, who turned the bat signalon Martinez?

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Man, it was a great show.
Oh my God, it was phenomenal.
It was so good, it wasphenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
I also want to just get into crime now because of
how good this show was and itbeat that it beat the
allegations?

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
yeah, it did.
It beat the sopranosallegations yeah, because
everybody was psychotic wait,are they not psychotic in the
sopranos?
They're pretty.
I mean, look, toby soprano's amild-mannered guy, but he's
always in therapy well, sosophia falcone yeah, oz needs to
be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Lord oz does need to be in therapy.
Rip vick man, rip vick andvick's family man.
Now, like I said, that was sucha jarring scene to watch, like
when the seawall came down andyou finally felt the
vulnerability of like watchingall these people die in this in
the city.
Or like, oh God, this is theGotham Riddler no good.
Yeah, I love seeing that sceneor that meme where people are

(01:47:51):
just like the Riddler's, like Ineed to start a war on rich
people, murders, all the poorpeople.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Yeah, riddler no good turns out, yeah, turns out,
riddler's no good.
Give me a spinoff show you wantto see now good, give me a
spinoff show you want to see now, um spinoff show that I want to
see now.
Huh, um, I mean, the crazy partis like, not a lot of these
characters have been like builtup, you know, like I've you know

(01:48:17):
, maybe like a cat woman thing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
That'd be cool, yeah, you get zoe kravitz to lead her
own show.
You could put sophia falconeback into that show as I mean
yeah that would be kind ofinteresting.
You could have them kind of faceoff against each other, like
they can be the true hero andvillain.
You can kind of take a look attheir life if they would have
been sisters in full, like if hewould have accepted her as well
too.
Yeah, um, yeah, I mean a gothampd show led by.

(01:48:42):
So that's the difficulty ofthis is that gotham already came
out, like if Gotham neverexisted.
I think your first thought isyou put Jeffrey Wright as the
main character of a Gotham crimeshow.
Yeah, and let him detectiveeverywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Yeah, he can.
Finally he can get through thatbacklog of crimes that he's
been ignoring.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Yeah, it's cool.
This universe is a very tightgroup of characters.
I have an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
You do a Flying Grayson show or you do a show
about the whole show with theFlying Graysons, like the trials
and tribulations of being in acircus Directed by Martin
Scorsese.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Oh no, directed by martin scorsese.
Oh no, oh no.
The trapeze guy called outflying graces.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
You're up, finally.
Wait, you mean, they're a wholefamily of just our luck.
Just our luck, guys.
What are the odds?
No way, no way.
Tim drake has this.
Oh god, I'm gonna pull this offin the bet.

(01:49:56):
There's, there's they.
There's no shot.
Right, what?
Because I think robin's gonnabe in the batman 2.
Sure, there's no shot.
No, actually, commit to the bit, matt Reeves, don't fake it.
Have the Flying Graysons be inthis movie, have them fall off
the trapeze and have the parentsdie.
Have Penguin be responsible forit.

(01:50:17):
That would be good.
I mean, it's the same thing youdid in the 90s movie with
Two-Face, but it's the samething with Two-Face, but it's
the same thing.
I hate the circus.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Kill those acrobats now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
Said the penguin, give me an Arkham show plays,
gotham PD show plays, which wasone of the original ideas which
might actually get greenlit.
Now Bring Martina Hashtag, makeMartina as the main character.
Sure, like I said, said you cando, I hope, in between two.
You know what I would do inbetween two and three.

(01:50:51):
If you want to do like a moresuperhero show, do a robin show.
Like have whoever you get toplay dick grayson.
Like give them their own show.
Like no batman.
Like you can say like batman's,like he's, he's trusting me
with god, he's because thepenguin's locked up and there's
no true crime, I can have fun Iget to stop the petty crime um,

(01:51:12):
it's all the crime.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Batman doesn't want to go out and stop.
Yeah, he's like this is boringman.
This guy robbed a bank.
Batman's like all right, allright, see you later.
He said I'm gonna run, point.
I got it.
I'm on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Yeah, those are.
I mean you can do.
I mean you could have a.
I mean the Hugo like you.
Can you think about it?
You have a main character tolead these shows.
Like penguin leads the penguin,obviously, like I think Hugo,
strange, would be a good personto lead the Arkham show.
You can do, like I said, theGotham PD.
You get Jeffrey Wright, you doan actual Robin show.

(01:51:47):
Those are like that covers alot of your bases.
You can do a League of Shadowsshow if you want to do two.
I think that would beinteresting.
Do a little League of Shadowsshow.
You get somebody to play Ra'sal Ghul.
Do Tali al Ghul in there aswell too.
I think that would be kind ofcool.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Yeah, kind of cool.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's thecool thing about this batman
universe.
Um is sorry, I had to sneeze heblew cage.
I'm luke cage.
Um, the cool thing about thisbatman universe is it's still
relatively young, likeeveryone's still relatively
young.
The characters, like, are kindof all kind of at the start of

(01:52:23):
their respective things, whichis right for all sorts of stuff,
right as long as you let mattreeves just do whatever he wants
, and they're committed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
I can feel a commit to this universe and like I
think it's not, but it's alsothe audience this show helped.
I think this show also helpedthose people that are, like,
still teetered because peopleare nerds like teetered on
robert pattinson's the batman,like I think this show helped a
little bit to be like, and abunch of people were saying I
hope Batman kicks the crap outof him after what he did to Vic
which is great, which is reallygreat.

(01:52:52):
I need the Batman to come andget justice for Vic, even though
Vic also was doing crime.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Yeah, Batman's not going to care so much about that
.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Right, he's just going to be like can you stop
doing more crime bud?

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Man, I let you go.
I let you go at the end of thefirst one, right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
He did.
Uh, barry Kilgan's gonna.
They're gonna go full send tomake him the Joker.
Right, I think you probably putthe foot on the gas for
something like that.
I mean, you don't get an actorlike that every day of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Yeah, Again it just goes back to like if that movie
was so damaging to the characterthat I don't know if they want
to try it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
I don't know if the Joker, though, supersedes that
as a character of how popular,like you want to talk about
superhero to supervillainrelationship, like that is the
one the Joker Maybe that'sanother character that you kind
of just test drive in like a TVshow before you like, try to
deploy them in the movie andthat's what would work in the
Arkham show If he breaks out andmaybe that's what you have.

(01:53:49):
You have this crazy guy.
You can do that in the GothamPD show.
This crazy psycho breaks out,he's wreaking havoc and then
it's revealed that's who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Let him get test-driven in a show first,
just because, again, I don'tthink it can be understated
enough how much I feel likedamage Joker-Folia did to the
character Right, not just in theeyes of the viewer but the eyes
of Warner Brothers.
Right Are probably like Jokerman, get him out of here, right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
So maybe you just test-drive, maybe you just get
Barry Keoghan for a show and,like, test drive him a little
bit, yeah don't make him themain character either, right,
unless you do like kind of whatI said about in like the batman
2, you make him like thishannibal lecter figure I think
that's the coolest idea in theworld, because and then that
goes against the point for joker2 of like that would
immediately get it away, yep andlike, obviously the thing

(01:54:43):
you're not equating for is MattReeves.
Is Matt Reeves like?
Matt Reeves is a genius at thisthing?
Like you want to get me to careabout somebody, give him to
Matt Reeves and let me careabout them.
Like I feel like him being inArkham and being like and again
you're going to have to pick ifyou're going to go that route.
I feel like Scarecrow is a goodvillain to go this way with,
because Scarecrow is the bestteeter, because mr freeze is

(01:55:06):
intrinsically a little tougherto pull off, you think, unless
he's like this, just likemurderer, that's like you know
cold, come on man.
Um, this murderer, that's kindof like you know the way he does
.
It is in a way of like he doesit around, like he freezes his

(01:55:26):
victims or whatever.
It is Not with a big cold gun,but he just puts them in
freezers, whatever Big coldbazooka.
Yeah, maybe he was a pastdoctor at Arkham as well whose
wife got sick.
I still think GiancarloEsposito would be, I mean
phenomenal, as Mr Freeze,sterling K Brown is a name that

(01:55:46):
popped into my head too.
That, I think, would also bephenomenal.
I think it's a voice thing forMr Freeze, yeah, but I think
there's some actors you cancircle.
I think Harvey Dent's acharacter they really want to
dive into as well too.
I could feel them making a bigdeal out of Harvey Dent in the
second movie.
Feels like he would fit inreally nicely with this kind of
crime drama kind of tone rightthis universe has right uh I

(01:56:12):
know uh josh arnett or um what'shis name, from uh oppenheimer
and from trap is josh hartnettyeah, josh hartnett is like a
name that a lot of people wouldlove to see.
I still think oscar isaac wouldbe a phenomenal two-face as well
, too.
Oh yeah, and then Joker andthen Batman 3, you just do the
Joker.
Like you just go full send-into the Joker.
Yeah, that movie's probably notgoing to come out until like

(01:56:36):
2030.
I know that's crazy.
Yeah, and you know what you doIn this universe with this crime
aspect.
You probably just do thekilling joke if that's the case,
like robin is like dick graysoncan be nightwing by that time,
like this universe is played outby that time.
If you do the shows, theconnecting shows in between two,
you really round out gothamlike you can really do dick

(01:56:58):
grayson he's already grown up.
And then you get jason todd andlike barry kogan murders
whoever this kid's playing inthis.
And then if you do the Leagueof Shadows show, you can bring
him back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I am the League of Shadows.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Remember when Oliver Queen fought Ra's al Ghul on
that cliff?
Yeah, that was crazy.
Remember they were going tobring Liam.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Neeson back for that.
For what?
For Arrow?

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
No shot.
Yeah, liam Neeson would neverdo that.
He would have done it.
No, he wouldn't have.
Sure, he would have no shot.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
That guy does anything.
No, no, he doesn't, sure hedoes.
He did that movie where he wason a train, taken on a train.
Taken on a train.
I'm pretty sure he did it on aplane, taken on a plane.
He A snowplow.
Take it on a snowplow, don'ttell me Liam Neeson wouldn't

(01:57:51):
have been an arrow.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
I don't know, man, but that's the penguin.
Yeah, you're John the Penguinhe really was the penguin.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Yeah, it was the penguin all along.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
It was the penguins that waddled along the way.
And boy did he waddle in thisshow.
Yeah, he did, it was thepenguins that waddled along the
way.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
And boy, did he waddle in this show?
Yeah, he did, it was thepenguins.
Are they going to give?

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
him the monocle.
Oh man, they already did theAlfred show on whatever network
that was, so they can't do ayoung Andy Serkis Alfred show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
No, they can't.
They can't retread thePennyworth cinematic universe.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
We're going to talk about Pennyworth in like five
years.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
That episode will be great when we really have
nothing else to talk about.
Yeah, pennyworth Question mark.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Pennyworth how much is a Pennyworth Is going to be
the episode title.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Come on man.
Oh no, that was low.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Oh man, I hope Robert Pattinson beats the living
daylights out of him, justpummels him.
Maybe you do the openingsequence, you do like a big, a
huge action set piece openingsequence with the penguin and
the penguins goons.
Because I because we talkedabout it when we reviewed the
batman that we think that, likeyou, you guys don't understand
that this universe is way morecomic book-y than you would ever

(01:59:07):
hope to admit.
Yeah, yo boss, chain of command, you just gonna let the bat in
here.
Like this, like this is thebest universe there's ever been.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Yeah, all right, we gotta go, man, we gotta go man,
we gotta out here.
Um, yeah, the penguin.
Good, good, just greattelevision man.
Yeah, it's so good.
Shout out to everyone involvedum, colin farrell, he's gonna
win that emmy.
Chris and miladi, oh what, whata heat check.
Yeah, um, matt reeves the whole, because this could have easily

(01:59:40):
just been like a thing you knowwhat I mean like a fun thing
that just led to the batman parttwo, but now it's like this is
like its own show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
That's just yeah this is like its own show.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
That's just really good.
Yeah, this is like its ownthing now, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
So there was people that I knew that were just
watching the show without everseeing the Batman.
They were like you saw thisPenguin show and I was like,
just wait till I tell you aboutthe Batman from 2022.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Yeah, I'm sure it's gotten so um get to see what
incredible of a picture that is.
Yeah, so I can't wait to seehow this all bleeds in, um, but
until then, you can follow us onTwitter at project I end up
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(02:00:22):
infinite pod.
You can follow us on Instagramat the Project Infinite pod.
Next week we finally get aroundto talking about Venom.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
It might be that time , Venom unless, unless there's a
Superman trailer when doesSuperman and?
Lois end.
I think they got a few moreweeks.
It might not end until January.
Oh, are they doing one of thoseweird?
I don't think they're gonna dothe break, but I just think this
season's what 13 episodes, andthey just hit episode 8?
13 episodes, though.
Come on man.

(02:00:48):
I got the Batman playingbecause I'm a psycho, much like
all the characters.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
So Superman and Lois will be over December 2nd.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Oh, so there's only like two episodes or three
episodes left then.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Yeah, yeah, december 2nd will be the last episode.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Yes, we will talk about Superman.
That show deserves to be talkedabout, to the point where Marv
Wolfman himself said these aresome of the best Superman
stories you can find.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Tyler Hoechlin is getting just like.
I'm sad it took until season 4for people to realize it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
How great of a Superman he is.
Yeah, is he the second bestSuperman we've ever had?

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
I think he's right there, man.
I really do.
I know Christopher Reeve isuntouchable, but I really think
he's right there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
Dude, he's so good.
I'm watching this show from thebeginning because I didn't
finish season three, so I'mwatching from the jump.
Even me just watching the firstepisode'm like dude.
I'm literally sitting here likethis can't be real.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
How great this is, man yeah, and it's just the,
it's just those quiet moments.
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
So yeah, it's a family drama at the end of the
day, it's such a good familydrama they built yeah, I so,
yeah, we'll definitely talkabout that, definitely in a few
weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
So, yeah, we'll talk.
We'll probably talk about Venomnext week.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Venom, but in the great words of Jim Gordon,
family favorite and channelfavorite, we gotta go man, we
gotta go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Man.
Um, what are you showing?
This was around his neck.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Open your eyes, open your eyes death taxes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
What's the matter with you, chief?
This isn't the way to do this.
Death taxes and someone in aBatman movie doing a voice yeah,
can't escape it, yo Jim.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
Gorman, Yo Jeffrey Wright's the best.
He is the best we love JeffreyWright.
This is channel favorite,jeffrey Wright.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
Yeah, so we'll see you next week.
We'll have a good fun timetalking about Venom.
$400 million, not him, 400million dollars, not bad, not
bad, not bad this movie justit's bulletproof.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Man them using that as a bargaining chip for kevin
feige is going to be the bestthing in the world.
When spider-man 4 comes out,it's gonna be insane.
I can't believe this.
It's so good they did noel Iknow insane.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
All right, guys, we'll see you next week.
Until then, wait, I didn't domy bit.
Dang from me from the Carefulman, from the Salvatore Moroni
of the podcast K See K.
He was good.
Yeah, he was menacing, he onlygot undone by a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
Yeah, he didn't get.
I forgot he didn't get killedby Oz.
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
His aura killed him um, yeah, so until then, now
that I got the bit done, we'llsee you next week.
Goodbye, peace.

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