142 - Superman Week! Celebrating The Superman Trailer & Tyler Hoechlin on Superman & Lois - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
of the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom For movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We got you covered.
I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with Court.
Merry Christmas, everybody,merry.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Christmas, happy New Year and Happy Holidays.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yep, we've been in the way for a little while.
Obviously it was our holidaybreak, it was our holiday break,
we had a holiday break, butbeen away for a little while.
Obviously it was our holidaybreak, it was our holiday break,
we had a holiday break, butsome things happened on that
holiday break that we definitelyhave to talk about.
But this is going to be aSuperman-focused episode On so
many fronts, on so many fronts.
Yeah, so we're going to prettymuch bookend this episode
talking about, obviously, thetrailer that came out, the first

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DC Studios film under JamesGunn's helm, directed by James
Gunn, and this is a crazytrailer that obviously we're
going to talk about.
And then we're going to talkabout we talked in our last
episode.
We talked about kind of likethe end of the Arrowverse.
So we talked about kind of likeour favorite moments and we
saved a lot of that, a lot ofthe Superman stuff, for this

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episode, because we're going totalk about Superman and Lois,
specifically the final seasonspecifically.
Just you know it was kind ofcool the last, you know,
probably like month or so, asthe show was wrapping up, like I
saw way more Superman and Loiskind of like love and content
out there than I think I've seenin the last four seasons prior
and I'm just kind of like I waslike where have you all been,

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you know.
So I I was like where have youall been.
So I'm kind of glad that TylerHoechlin feels like he's getting
his shine as he exits the roleof Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
As, honestly, one of the best live-action Superman
adaptations we've ever gotten,as said by some people that were
writing on Superman, and, likeyou said, it was a great point.
So many fans were coming out ofthe woodwork and finally
watching the show and they werelike, wow, no, he actually is
Superman.
He gets all the mannerisms andit's a point I'm going to talk
about later, but one of myfavorite things about his
Superman was the approach to theshow itself and this whole

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different perspective, becausewe've never seen anything like
this.
I mean, this is a family dramainside of a Superman show and
what an approach.
That, on paper, shouldn't work,but it's the best part about
this show.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, and I mean just the way that they adapted and
modified certain aspects of thelore to fit this narrative,
which they did in spades in thisfinal season.
That we'll talk about and I'mreally, really excited to touch
upon that.
But we do have a little bit ofnews to talk about that we
missed out on talking about thelast couple of weeks.
First and foremost, christopherNolan news.
As customary, we were wrong,everyone was wrong, everybody

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was wrong.
This movie that ChristopherNolan has been developing, that
has been, you know, much likeOppenheimer, gaining a lot of
momentum in terms of likecasting and all that stuff.
Robert Pattinson, tom Holland,zendaya, I could go on and on.
This cast, obviously much likemany of his other films, is

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absolutely stacked.
But what we didn't know is whatthis movie was going to be.
But now we do.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It is going to be an adaptation of the odyssey insane
insanity and it's somethingthat I think, after oppenheimer
and I knew he was going to dosomething that was obviously
this is it's going to be anadaptation to some degree,
because you're pulling it from a, from a source material, but
still the source material.
Source material I guess no, thesource material is.

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If you were to pull somethingfrom the bible, I guess that's
the, if you want to label thatas the source material.
But you know, I believe thatthis kind of piece is because I
knew it.
I knew he was going to go froma historical to like something
that was going to be a littlebit more narrative driven.
And boy, if you're going topull a narrative driven, this is
going to.
I mean, obviously this is themost, this is the craziest thing

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that he's ever tried to do.
I know IMAX has been excited himand IMAX have been excited
about them testing newtechnology for this movie.
So I mean, after thesolidification and I mean
solidification is such a funnyword to use with Christopher
Nolan because it's ChristopherNolan, but I mean truthfully,
there's no if and or, but in myopinion, oppenheimer is one of

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the greatest films of the 21stcentury, if not one of the
greatest films of all time.
I can't split it any other way.
In my mind that's just truthand word of law.
That's just law.
Oppenheimer is one of thegreatest films that's ever been
made.
So give him whatever he wantsand let it happen.
I mean, imax is going out ofits way to make sure they
collaborate with him.

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Um, the cast itself I'm superexcited about this cast.
This cast is very unique aswell, too.
This is a especiallycomparatively to oppenheimer
like.
This is a very unique cast ofcharacters that we're getting in
here as well too, and now thatI know what this movie is going
to be about now, it gets evenmore interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh yeah, I mean this is.
I mean, when you talk about theconcept of the hero's journey,
it is grounded in the Odyssey,right.
That's what the term you know,hero's journey.
The Odyssey comes from Right.
It's from Homer from theOdyssey, from Odysseus, so like
for him to tackle this is reallyinteresting.

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Like you said, it's kind of alittle bit outside of his
wheelhouse in terms of it'sgoing to be this big fantastical
epic, you know what?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I thought about too.
Is it outside of his wheelhouse?
I don't think there's anythingoutside of his wheelhouse.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's what I'm getting to.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I don't think there's anything.
The only thing in his career hehasn't really tackled, like I
mean, if you want to talksoundscape, because of like I
don't know how loosely you cango with the term horror, if you
want to talk Oppenheimer,because there is some sequences,
it's just what your definitionof horror is, I guess.
But he's tackled pretty mucheverything in his career

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thematically wise.
So I mean, fantasy is the onething that he has that he needed
to get into.
Genre-wise, I think it'stechnically it's fantasy and
horror are the two things thathe hasn't done.
But I mean even so, like horrorcan be a genre or it can be a
sub-genre as well too, if youreally want to kind of break it
down.
But fantasy, I'm kind ofexcited to see what he's gonna,

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because I know they're gonna,and they even said we're not
shying away from any fantasticalelements.
Like we are gonna go fullsentence, yeah, story yeah, this
is, yeah, that's exactly like.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
This is gonna be a true foray into a fantastical
world for him, and I thinkthat's really ambitious and it's
really great yeah, and i'mlyenough because I know him and
Denis are friends.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
They did that interview together as well too.
Do you think?
And I think in the broaderscheme of things, what Denis
does, it's converse, becausewhat Christopher Nolan has done
for film, it's going to beEtchison Stone as one of the
most important filmmakers.
Conversely, Denis got the samething because without Dune, like
I think about it this way,because dune dune 2 just went on

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netflix and now people weretalking about it and reignited
some talks about it as well too,and funny enough interstellar
also in the same day went backon, went on to netflix.
So you think broad scale rightin like 40, 50 years, like the
fantasy genre and thecredibility of it got reignited,
the same way that Lord of theRings reignited it as well too.
It's just without Dune.

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I don't think he takes a shotat this without seeing what Dune
was and seeing what Dune 2 was.
It's like, okay, maybe amainstream audience, especially
with my name attached to it aswell too.
This movie is going to beprofitable, 100%.
This movie's going to beprofitable, yeah, um, but whole
idea like.
I can do this, I can pull thisfantastic world off, still have

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my realistic elements into it aswell too.
I think he's on to something.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I completely agree Some of those things.
When it got revealed I was likeokay, we're in it now.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right, because I was super down for whatever that
action helicopter movie or thepara-rescuers, whatever that
movie was going to be.
I was full out down for anotherChristopher Nolan narrative
action movie.
I was down for something likethat, especially with the cast.
I was like, okay, this could becool.
Then, out of nowhere, they werelike, yeah, we're going to do
the Odyssey.
I said, excuse me, what do youmean?

(08:24):
You're going to do the?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Odyssey.
Yeah, it's super cool.
Like I said, this is it's kindof crazy that he's tackling like
one of the foundational pillarsof literature.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
See it's so funny that you say that and I agree,
but then at the same time I'mlike how crazy is it for him?
You know what I mean.
Like that's christopher nolan.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Like how insane really is it but yeah, but I
mean, like to your point, likethis would be like someone
adapting, like the bible, orlike dante's inferno, like
that's.
Like that's the type of thingthat we're talking about here,
like, like that's, that's thescope of what's being adapted.
Is just this, you know,monument of human history?
Yeah, is what the odyssey andthe iliad are.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Like, yeah, and I mean, it's something poetic
about I believe it was babylon,because it was 2022.
It was kind of like therumblings of this whole thing of
like film is young, like yeah,film is, like it's the youngest
form of media that we have.
Is is filmmaking likefilmmaking, television like
visual media, like that it's theyoungest art form that we have,
for it being that it's aninfant compared to literature

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and writing and all these things, and music, all these different
types of things, the fact thatthe Odyssey is going to be
adapted into live action.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And there's never been a true adaptation of the
Odyssey before.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
You've had adaptations of a bunch of
different parts of the Bible,things like that.
But to do the Odyssey is anundertaking like no other.
But again to the point.
I keep going back to who betterto do it than Christopher Nolan
at this time?
Yeah, absolutely, yep, totallyagree.
They said Dune was unadaptable,and look where we are now.
I mean, we have one of thegreatest movies of all time out

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of that as well too.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
From one bit of cinema to another, we got a
Karate Kid trailer.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I just want everybody to, whatever Cobra Kai, because
we're Cobra Kai simps and welove Cobra Kai.
It's stupid, I'm in.
It's the cheesiest thing you'llwatch, but I'm all in.
I it's great, it's stupid, butlike I'm in, like it's the
cheesiest thing you'll watch,but I'm all in.
I love the dedication too andthey do a great job with you
know, the actual hand-to-handstuff, like the actual fighting,
like they do a good job andlike you care In a funny way, of

(10:37):
how, however cheesy it gets.
And I mean we talked about theCW last week Like I still care
Now.
I watched this Karate KidLegends trailer and then I said,
wait a minute.
I started to have a realizationwhile I was watching.
I said, wait, are they?
Does this look good?
And then I was like, wait aminute, this does look good,
this does look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, um.
So there's a lot going on herein this trailer, because
obviously Jackie Chan is in thismovie.
Obviously he was in the KarateKid reboot.
I guess it's not a rebootanymore.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I guess it's not.
It was a sequel yeah, I guessso.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And Ralph Macchio is in this, obviously reprising his
role as Daniel Russo.
And then Ben Wong comes in asthe new character, Li Feng oh
this kid's gonna be a star.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I mean he's playing Ong, just kidding, just kidding.
He's playing Aang right now inthe Last Airbender show, but I
mean this kid's gonna be, he'sgonna be something that people
are gonna probably try to go outand get to be in things.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, and I was just thinking, you know, I said it to
you before, like because I'mlike Marvel Rivals pilled right
now and Iron Fist is in thatgame and it's the Lin-Lay
version of Iron Fist, yeah, Iknow, which felt.
Obviously NetEase is an Easterndeveloper, so I think that's
part of the reason why they usedLin-Lay as the Iron Fist, but
also it also does kind of feellike an edict from Marvel as

(12:04):
well, like Marvel getting youknow, marvel ultimately gets the
final say in all these things,like when characters are being
adapted.
I do think there's a reason whythey had Lin-Lay's Iron Fist be
the Iron Fist in this gameinstead of Danny Rand, and it
makes me think like maybe TV ormovie that might be the
direction they're going.
Maybe they don't do Danny Rand.

(12:24):
Well, they do Danny Rand, andthen they maybe make it Lin-Lay
Laird or not.
I was just thinking.
The kid seems to have theaction chops.
Maybe you just make him IronFist in the MCU he would be good
too, and you can kind of spinit a little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
He's going to be younger and even if you want to
bring Finn Jones back to be likean older Iron Fist a little bit
of an older Iron Fist to kindof mentor him as well too.
But this trailer looked prettygood.
I want to talk about the look,because it visually looks good.
You know what I thought aboutfor this.
I don't know why this poppedinto my head, but I remember
when Ryan Coogler didn't takeCreed II, notably because

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obviously he had the undertakingof doing Black Panther but he
was still executive producer.
And then Stephen Gable Jr cameon and I said this movie
visually still looks good.
This movie is a good-lookingmovie.
I got that same feeling fromthis that I wonder who this
director is for this movie.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So the director is Jonathan Edwistle, who is the
creator and director of theNetflix series End of the F-ing
World.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh, I love that show.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I absolutely love it.
It's a great show.
I love that show so so much.
He's the director of this movie.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Wow, that's awesome Because, like I was saying, the
visual style and the strip and Ithink it helps as well too this
action is tight.
This action is extremely tightand like, narratively, you care,
you, and now it's.
I don't know if I'm also havinga nostalgia trip, because my
first exposure to the karate kidwas was jayden smith's karate

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kid with jackie chan, like thatwas actually my childhood, was
like like that's how I knew thekarate kid.
Before you know, I starteddipping into more movies and
then I found I found out that itwas ralph macchio actually, but
I don't know, man, there'ssomething about this trailer
that just feels right.
Like I said, visually it's good.
Ming-na Wen's in this as well,too.
I didn't even realize thatMing-Na Wen looks like she plays

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his mother.
I'm really looking forward tothis, me too.
This year's going to be loaded,which we'll talk about as this
episode goes on.
Yeah, we, we got a loaded yearahead of us?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah for sure.
No, yeah, I'm looking forwardto this.
I'm always in.
I like this arc that JackieChan's going on too later in his
career where he's kind oftaking on these a little gruffer
, obviously a little older, butthese kind of gruffer, kind of
mentor-y, not dark figures buthe's got kind of an edge to him,

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yep, but he's also got thattrademark Jackie Chan warmth
that he's obviously come to knowfor in his legendary career.
Ralph Macchio just keepscashing those Karate Kid checks,
which is cool because he'sstayed away from it for so long.
After Karate Kid 3, he kind offell off the face of the earth a

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little bit and then theyfinally got him back for Cobra
Kai, where he kind of justreinserted himself in the Karate
Kid fandom, and now he's backon the big screen as Daniel
LaRusso which is awesome, and Iwant to know.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm so curious because obviously I finished
Cobra Kai.
I'm curious, I want to know howmuch they're going to dip it.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
How does this work?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I have a feeling they're going to stay as far
away from that as possible.
They're going to kind of keepthat in its own sect and be like
does Jaden Smith show up inthis movie?
What's the craziest?
Hilary Swank would be thefunniest one.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, because people were sure she was going to show
up in Cobra Kai and then itdidn't end up happening, right?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
James Smith doesn't need to be in this movie.
Everybody Relax.
No, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
He does not need to be in this.
It is just funny that he's justlike Jackie Chan's character
just moved on Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Which is pretty funny yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
The Karate Kid multiverse.
Ladies and gentlemen, you,ladies and gentlemen, you think
Daniel LaRusso is going to fightDaniel LaRusso from a different
timeline.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, that's what we were joking about before we
knocked out.
We were like wait, does thistake place in a different
alternate universe?
Evil Daniel LaRusso.
Wait, which one's the evil one?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Daniel LaRusso, who grew up being trained by Cobra
Kai, fights Daniel LaRusso atthe end of this movie.
Oh no, what if Daniel LaRussoat the end of this?

Speaker 1 (16:22):
movie.
Oh no, what if Daniel LaRussostayed with Cobra Kai?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Speaking of nostalgia , Malcolm in the Middle is
getting a revival at Disney+.
Frankie Muniz and BryanCranston are all attached to it.
It's going to be like amini-series Cool Fun.
I hope it's going to be like aDisney Plus sitcom.
I think that's obviously whereit should fit in.
I don't think they should tryand like I wouldn't try to

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modernize it too much in termsof the camera work.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
In fact I'd try to get closer to what Malcolm in
the Middle was doing in theearly 2000s.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely what you have to do.
You know, sitcom is kind of adying kind of medium.
Um, you know, sitcom is kind ofa dying kind of medium.
Um, you know, we haven't.
You know big bang theory,modern family have been like
probably like the two pillarsitcoms in the last, honestly,
like 20 years, like we haven'thad, you know, tried and
definitely not from like thegolden age of sitcom.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
No, I mean the new, the new age way of thinking of
it is the is like the, thecamera crew way, like the office
way kind of revolution of it isthe is like the, the camera
crew way, like the office waykind of revolutionized it.
So now like and now abbottelementary has that hold on
everything as well too.
So I think a little bit of asitcom like a tried and true
classic sitcom would be kind offun.
Yeah, and I don't change thetheme song no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Um, I don't think they would either.
Like if it's just gonna go todisney plus.
Um, I know brian cranson'salways loved in the Middle.
Obviously that's where he cuthis teeth and Frankie Muniz.
Yeah, that's where he cut histeeth.
Bryan Cranston obviously somany people know him for
Breaking Bad, but he was TV'sdad at one point for Malcolm in
the Middle.
I'm excited to see him returnto that.
I think it could be pretty goodIf it's a little maybe like a

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10 episode kind of mini series.
I think that would be kind ofcool.
The Game Awards so we got totalk about the Game Awards A lot
of great.
This was a really great show.
I got to give it up.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
The last episode we had.
We were talking about the showas it was going on.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, it was the 10th anniversary and they
pulled out all the stops.
I got to say I was reallyimpressed, I don't think
anything.
Really disappointed, you know.
I think you know thepresentation, Harrison Ford was
there.
Yeah, he was when he walked out.
That was insane.
He presented with Troy Baker,gave Troy Baker like the stamp
of approval, essentially saying,like you know, I've heard what

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he did like with the character,like Indy.
I basically said nobody couldhave done it better.
He felt which I mean for TroyBaker, that's probably really
good.
So, yeah, I mean we can getright into.
I guess we could just talkabout winners and stuff.
A couple other things BlackMan's Wukong best action game I

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think that makes a lot of sense.
Best role-playing game which Ijust finished was Metaphor
ReFantasio and I can definitelyverify that that game was
incredible.
The third act of that game isamong probably one of my
favorite third acts in any gamethat I've ever played.
Really really sold me onMetaphor ReFantasio.

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Final Fantasy VII Rebirth bestscore in music.
No surprise, but the bigsurprise the trio of awards that
were all won by the same game.
Best Action Adventure Game.
Then we have Best Direction andGame of the Year Drumroll
please, it was Astro Bot, astroBot.

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Best Game Direction.
Have best direction and game ofthe year drum roll please.
It was astrobot, astrobot.
Best game direction.
Best action adventure game andgame of the year um beating out.
Balatro bleeding out.
Black myth, wukong beating out,final fantasy 7, rebirth
metaphor, rephantazio and eldenring, shadow of the erd tree.
Um, wow, I I guess it was oneof those things.
Like you don't realize it.
How good it is.
It's Game of the Year in thetruest sense, in the sense that

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it is super fun.
It is well designed.
It maximizes all of thehardware that it's, on which I
think a lot of these thingsdon't.
It makes every use of thePlayStation 5 hardware
imaginable.
A lot of time, care andattention went into the world of

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Astro Bot.
In terms of it's, this loveletter to PlayStation captures
all these characters and momentsand I think it more than
deserves it to win Game of theYear.
It was surprising, for sure,because it just felt like,
especially the last couple yearswhen you got games like
Baldur's Gate 3, elden Ring, theLast of Us Part 2, god of War,

(20:58):
sekiro, it felt like thedirection gaming fandom was
moving in was like these third,third person, you know narrative
narrative, you know choicedriven role playing.
It felt like that's kind ofwhere things were going.
And then Elden Ring, shadow ofthe Earth Tree, got nominated
for game of the year this yearand I was like, all right, like

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we're probably are they justgonna do this again.
But they, they surprised us andthey and they went with Astro
Bot and I think it's I hope it'snot a wake-up call per se, but
I hope it's for these developersand these companies to be like,
hey, a fun platformer can breakthrough, right.
You know, astro Bot didn't havea ton of money pumped into it,

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it's just well-designed, it'swell-made.
And for PlayStationspecifically, I think it's a
great kind of shot in the armfor them.
Because, I mean, what's theultimate platformer?
It's Mario, right, like Mario,and Nintendo has a stranglehold
on this genre in particular.
Now PlayStation kind of hastheir own Mario, like with Astro
Bot.
Now that it's, you know, it'sstill getting updated, like

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they're still pumping new levelsinto it.
Yeah, they added a speedrunmode to it.
Oh, okay, I think it's supercool.
I was surprised.
It felt like, as the night wasgoing on, it felt like Metaphor
was kind of gaining a lot ofmomentum, especially in like
those kind of like the Oscars is, like those touchstone
categories, like narrative right, all that stuff.

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It felt like metaphor wasgaining a lot of momentum and
then all of a sudden thedominoes started falling for
Astro Bot and you're like, waita minute, could this happen?
And then it did, which I thinkis awesome.
But everyone watches the GameAwards for the reveals and the
new things and Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, who thought Snoop Dogg, harrison Ford, pedro
Pascal?
No, not there, somebody elsewas there too.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I forget.
There's a lot of people there.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
You know what?
Isabella Marced was there aswell too.
There was a few people thatwere there, which is cool.
It just shows you how fargaming has come as well too.
Oh yeah, the there was a fewpeople that were there, which is
cool.
It just shows you how fargaming has come as well too.
The credibility behind greatgaming is like it's night and
day.
Fallout 1 Best Adaptation.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
A loaded category too , that Best Adaptation category,
with Arcane being in there aswell.
Just a couple quick thingsbefore we hit the big reveals
Virtual Fighter, a new game.
Turok, a new Turok game, a newNinja Gaiden game, which I think
is cool.
And then the big, I guess thebiggest reveals.

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First, elden Ring, night Rain,which is probably one of the
things you might have heard usreacting to in live.
We didn't know what it wasbecause we didn't have the audio
.
So it's an Elden Ring.
It's a new elden ringstandalone game.
It's not a dlc, it is astandalone game and, as it is
from soft's first foray into thekind of co-op genre, so it's

(23:54):
like a squad-based three-playerdark souls game okay, um, where
you uh, it's got rogueliteelements where, like, you start
start with a character and then,as you defeat bosses, you get
more stuff for your characterand you basically team up with
two of your friends and tackle awho's who of bosses from all

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the Souls games Interesting, itcould be a Souls game.
That grabs me.
It's a really cool concept.
It's a really unique conceptfor them.
So that's pretty great.
And then the two biggestreveals grabs me, it's a really
cool concept.
It's a really unique conceptfor them.
That's pretty great.
And then the two biggestreveals, I would say, both
marred by the same amount ofquote-unquote controversy.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
You're about to get a court going, because this is
where I get mad.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
CD Projekt Red unveiled the Witcher 4, which
everyone kind of knew this wascoming for a long, long time.
It will star Ciri as the maincharacter instead of Geralt.
Geralt will be in the Witcher 4, but most supporting character,
and this made people angry forsome reason Not some reason, but

(25:00):
the people that are angry, Idon't think, played the Witcher
3.
Where Ciri is A, a playablecharacter in the Witcher 3, and
B, the Witcher 3 ends withGeralt retiring Right, and you
know what the Witcher 4 does dois it canonizes one of the
endings of the Witcher 3 whereCiri becomes a witcher.

(25:21):
Yeah, and I'm looking forwardto it.
The Witcher 3 is one of thegreatest games ever made and I
think it's awesome and I thinkpeople that are mad about this
are just mad that women are maincharacters in video games.
You can't allow, we can't havethat, which is?
It's such a strange turn, youknow, because women have been
main characters in games forever.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
But when they don't look like Lara Croft, it's a
problem.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah.
And even when Tomb Raider gotreworked and got remade and
everything, people were upset atthe Lara Croft design that she
was more realistic looking.
I don't get it, man.
This game's going to beincredible, right?
I mean, when this game comesout, it's going to be probably
amazing and you're still goingto get your Geralt fix because

(26:10):
CD Projekt Red is remaking theWitcher yeah, the Witcher 1.
That is happening.
It's a ground-up,from-the-ground-up Witcher
remake.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
So you're going to get Geralt Right?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Everyone relax.
You're also going to get Geraltin the new season of the
Witcher with Liam HemsworthRight, which is maybe not what
people want, but you're stillgoing to get it.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's what Liam Hemsworth wanted, is it I?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
don't know, or did they just give him a call and he
was like, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
But the big, big, big , big, big big reveal.
It was the final reveal of theGame Awards before game of the
year.
Um, naughty dog's new game, thelast of us, part three, nope,
okay.
Um, in development since 2020.
Um, which is crazy, which meanswhich tells me this game might
come out soon not soon, butprobably 2027.
Um, if they've been working onit that long.

(26:58):
Um, yeah, so this is from.
They were very pointed at thebeginning of the trailer from
the developers that brought youuncharted and jack and dax there
and the last of us, and you'relike, oh yeah, these guys are
great at what they do.
Um, it is intergalactic, theheretic prophet, an action
adventure game set in the future.
So, naughty dog getting awayfrom the grounded nature of

(27:20):
games like uncharted and theLast of Us and kind of going
back to the you know, notfantasy, but sci-fi, going back
to a sci-fi world, and it lookspretty great, it looks
incredible.
I mean, this game Written anddirected by Neil Druckmann, so

(27:42):
obviously his is in this andthen Trent Reznor and Atticus
Ross not his male's own doingthe soundtrack.
I saw that and I said no,they're on to something.
They got something cooking up.
That's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
And I mean, do you see the?
Obviously it's a flash of it afew times, but do you see the in
this game as well too?
So again to my point earlier,like this just shows you how far
gaming has come.
I mean the concept is reallycool.
I mean the setting concept isgreat.

(28:14):
I mean this it's as if spacetravel was made in the eighties,
so that's kind of what happens.
Um, and then the.
You know, obviously because ofthat, the more planets and more
you know areas of space werecolonized by humans as well too.
Um, it's a little bit of like amurder, it's like a revenge
murder mystery almost, which isa pretty cool, cool way to go
about it.

(28:35):
Um, I don't know, I just I meanI know it's like what you said,
like I don't know, but I know,I know what people's issue with
it is and I just find that sohypocritical and it's lame it's
laughable.
It's just like what's the actual, what's your actual problem,
like it's it's lame at the endof the day, it's like they
gender bent her, everybody wouldhave been fine.

(28:57):
Like this is going to be thegreatest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like I find that to be so insane yeah, so toxic
gabrielle is the main characterof this.
She has been.
She was In the Last of Us, part2.
Yep, she was in the Last of Us,part 2.
Probably her most well-knownrole is Marianne in you.
It's probably where she.
You know where people know herfrom.

(29:20):
You see someone on the screenand you're like I know where
that person's from.
And then you look it up andyou're like, oh, that's where
that person's from.
So she's in this.
Kamau Lujani is in this and, ofcourse, troy Baker will be
lending his voice to someone wedon't know who.
Tony Dalton also in this.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
That's the one I was just like that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
People probably most recently know as Jack Duquesne
in Hawkeye.
So he's in this and I'm reallylooking forward to it.
Man, obviously Naughty Dog hasan unbelievable amount of grace.
They've never missed, contraryto what people who don't like
the Last of Us Part II will tellyou.
Last of Us Part II istechnically sound.
You can argue back and forthabout the story if you want, but

(30:08):
just from a developmentstandpoint, from a gaming
standpoint, it's one of the bestadventure action games of the
century and I'm looking forwardto seeing how they kind of.
If it's one thing I would wantout of Naughty Dog, it is a
return to the platforminess ofUncharted and the traversal that

(30:29):
Uncharted gave, especially whenI went back a few months ago
and played Uncharted 4 again andI'm like, wow, this game still
feels great.
So we can marry the Last of Uskind of action with Uncharted's
traversal.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, and if you capture that emotion from the
Last of Us as well too, thatnarrative drive through that
human nature, I mean, especiallyin a game that's built upon the
fact of that sci-fi base,you're gonna need that humanity
to kind of ground that as welltoo.
If you can hit all those, takewhat you've done from all your
other games and if you can hitall those strides I Take what

(31:04):
you've done from all your othergames and if you can hit all
those strides, I mean you mighthave I'm talking an absolutely
special one.
Oh, we didn't even talk aboutDead Stranding 2.
I mean, we have like an, Ithink potentially one of like
you're talking of the 2020s,like this can be one of the
definers of the 2020s.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, yeah and, like I said, they've been working on
this for five years and, like Isaid, they've been working on
this for five years.
Like I said, I would imaginewe're going to see more of it as
the year goes on.
Probably we'll get a gameplaytrailer, which I'm definitely
looking forward to, because Ithink, if anything, naughty
Dog's definitely sold me on itsnarrative style.
So I just want to see how thegame looks in action.

(31:42):
Conspicuous by its absence ofthe Game Awards was that Marvel
1940 game.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah 1943.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Because I was thinking Naughty Dog, which of
course made me think of AmyHenning, who founded Naughty Dog
and was the director of thefirst three Uncharted games.
I was interested that that gamewas just absent, especially
after the big tech reveal of howimpressive the animation looked

(32:12):
in that game.
So I'm still waiting for that,unless they weren't ready yet.
Maybe, yeah, and we'll see.
But all in all, like I said,the Game Awards was outstanding
A lot of great reveals.
Clive from Final Fantasy XVIwas revealed for Tekken, which
got a lot of people excited.
Pc ports coming left and rightfor the last of us, part 2 and

(32:34):
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth andfull steam ahead into 2025,
which I can't wait to see.
What else we come out with thisyear and before we get into
Superman, we do have some DCnews, some good, some bad.
The good Jason Momoa has beenconfirmed and cast as Lobo in

(32:55):
Supergirl, woman of Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Which starts filming this month too.
So we're probably going to seesome set photos and things like
that, because I think if youknow anything about Women of
Tomorrow and I mean Tom King A,it's that I didn't know this
until a few days ago.
Tom King wanted Lobo in thatstory as well too.
He wanted Lobo to be like.
He wanted it to be almost likea buddy cop type of deal between

(33:19):
the two of them.
Before you know, dc came backand was just like maybe we
should just focus on her, which,weirdly enough, I think that
might have helped that story,because I've been kicking
through that a little bit.
I've been trying to commit to afull read, but I've been
kicking through it a little bit.
I just know Millie Alcock'sabout to put up one of those.
This is going to be one of thosevery memorable pillar pieces to

(33:41):
what the DCU is built upon,because I love the whole
approach to Women of Tomorrow,like it's so.
It's like it's perfect.
It's I don't even know how toexplain it, it's like it's
perfect.
I don't want to sayanti-establishment.
It's maybe anti-establishmentin the way we think about
superheroes.
It's like where she's at,because it's that's like an
incredible, almost likeexistential piece of like.

(34:03):
Why, like I didn't really needto be, did I really need to be
here this whole time?
Like I don't need to beSupergirl, you guys already have
who you wanted.
So what did I like?
What was I even supposed to behere for?
Like I was supposed to protecthim and now he's your greatest
hero.
Like I don't really have apurpose or a place.
So the movie it would make senseto put her in there as well,
too, because you get a good footfooting as well too, because
we're going to talk about it andeventually we're going to talk

(34:32):
the landscape of 2025 and youknow we're not naive like
there's going to be it's abattleground next year.
It's going to be becausebetween marvel and dc and I mean
marvel has more real estatethat they're going to put out
next year but I mean you'retalking about Superman itself is
like that's the one, like that,actually, and we're going to
talk about it in a second Likethat's the one that, unless this
fantastic four trailer comesout and I'm talking about full

(34:54):
swing, cause I believe a supersuper bowl trailer seems the
seems the way unless we'retalking yeah.
Unless we're talking a fullswing of, like you know talking,
yeah, unless we're talking afull swing of, like you know,
just this incredible trail,which, I don't doubt it, it is.
I, I think that, um, I thinkthat, uh, what's his name that I
can't remember.
Matt shackman has a real handleon that and it feels very un

(35:14):
mcu-ish for lack of a betterterm like I mean.
My point for supergirl is that,like the addition of lobo, I
mean jason momo, what a perfectfit well, yeah, this is the one
that people have wanted for ever.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Including him, yeah.
Including him yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like this is and it's such a good, like it gets the
Game of Thrones fans happy.
Yeah, game of Thrones fans arehappy.
Yeah, that's fun.
I just I have this feelingbecause who's directing this
movie?
It's, I know he directed um.
What did?
He directed corlella andsomething else, but you're
talking about this like thismovie's gonna feel a lot like

(35:50):
guardians of the galaxy, isn'tit like this almost like little
found family-esque kind of um,like her lobo, like it's gonna
be like this fun actionadventure space odyssey a little
bit.
Like that's like like ruggedand rough a little bit.
I kind of want to see Supergirllike that.
I think the Supergirl we'regoing to get is a little bit
more akin to the Injustice 2.

(36:12):
That's probably where she'sgoing to fall a little bit more
than your traditional MelissaBenoist Supergirl.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Which is a good archetype Supergirl for Millie
Alcock because she is this verykind of If you've ever seen her
interviews, obviously if you'vewatched her as Rhaenyra in House
of the Dragon, she does havethis edge and she's kind of
brash and loud and I thinkadapting this version of
Supergirl in particular is agood fit for her and, to your

(36:40):
point, a good contrast to theMelissa Benoist version and it's
also a good contrast to DavidCornissa benoist version and
it's also a good contrast todavid corn sweat himself, who
finally saw in full form, likeagain, like I.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And then I have full out trust in tom king, because I
know tom king's helping writethis as well, yeah um, I have
full out trust that like and Imean, we're going to talk about
it when we talk about thesuperman trailer, like I don't
know why anybody ever doubtsjames gunn, like I just I don't
understand, like how, like whatmore does he have to prove?
And I can't wait to talk aboutthat trailer as well too.

(37:11):
But I mean, just on the jasonmomoa piece, you want to talk
about perfect castings.
That's as perfect as it getslike.
That just made me even moreexcited for this movie yeah, he
doesn't even have to cut hishair.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
No, he's got the, he's got the look down, he's
already.
I'm looking forward to himcoming back as loud Jason Momoa
On a flying space motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
It was trying to veer its head, especially in Aquaman
2.
It was really trying to veerits head, it just wasn't working
.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
He's just not a hero.
He's not a heroic type of guy Iwouldn't even say he's not a
hero.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, he is.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Because in Dune he does it very well, Right.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
It's just Aquaman's, not Jason Momoa.
Right, as much as he did hisbest and he did a good job too.
To give Zack Snyder some credit, he fits what Zack Snyder's
vision for a Justice Leaguewould be as Aquaman.
That actually made the mostsense.
He's just not Aquaman, no.
He imprinted himself ontoAquaman instead of vice versa.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And he became Jason Momoa dressed up as Aquaman,
which is fun.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
And he had a lot of cool moments to it as well.
He had a lot of really coolmoments.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
That first Aquaman movie, when he fights Oha master
at the end, is still reallygreat, yeah, like that that was.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's some fun stuff .
But yeah, that just got me somuch more excited for this, for
the supergirl movie andespecially the storyline, like
if you get a chance to peek atwhat superman woman of tomorrow
does like yeah, it is a specialcomic, like anything tom tom
king does.
I mean he has he's.
He wrote my favorite comic bookof all time, I mean the Heroes
in Crisis.
Just everything that Tom Kinghad been through in his own life

(38:50):
, you know, dealing with PTSD,all those things Like you know
his mental state.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I think that's one of the big approaches he's going
to take to this movie as welltoo, and as soon as she was cast
, you and I were both in,because I think you and I both
felt what the direction of thiswas going to be.
And felt her career from Houseof the Dragon, just seeing her
for the first time in House ofthe Dragon, just how magnetic

(39:15):
she was.
And you know, like I said, likewe were talking about months
and months and months ago, herdirection was either one, get
her in this DCU or two, justmake her go on Stacy in the MCU,
and she would have crushedeither of those.
I'm still very happy for herthat this is what's happening

(39:35):
for her.
That's the not so good news.
The Batman has been delayedagain.
Batman Part 2 delayed toOctober of 2027.
2027.
It just just turned to 2025.
Um, man, that's a long haul.
That is a long haul from thefirst one.
Um, it'll have been five yearsbetween batman and batman part 2

(40:00):
from this point.
So, but before you go, beforeyou go, it is good For Robert
Pattinson that he's Not justwaiting For this.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, like he could be.
I mean, obviously, like thisyear he's gonna.
He's gonna be With Bong Joon-hothis year, um, he's gonna be
with Christopher Nolan againnext year, like he's got some
roles.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, ahead of him like yeah, he's not, he's not
hurting, yeah he's not starving,like and I mean even to
sebastian stan's point of like.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I want to have a career archetype.
I think all of hollywood'sstarting to see it.
All the other actors arestarting to see it, if they
haven't seen.
Like, robert pattinson's gonnabe one of the definers of like
the 20 of the 2020s.
Like he's, he's gonna be one ofthose important pillar actors
of the time too.
So the fact that he's not justbatman makes me happy.
Obviously, that's in my topthree favorite comic book movies
of all time.

(40:46):
It's in my top 10 favoritemovies of all time the batman.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So it's just it sucks it just it sucks because we're
gonna have to wait to see him.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But I think this is gonna funnily change the
narrative a little bit, becauseI think they are gonna have a
time jump now and I think that'swhat they were thinking about.
I think they were like, shouldwe just have this take place
right after the penguinsubsequently, or should we have
a time jump?
I mean, you can time jump now.
Have oswald really step intobeing like the you know, the
king of gotham for a little bit.

(41:14):
Like, have him have his time inthe sun, like now you can
insert your robin.
Now you can start to insertsome different things, like you
don't.
Obviously.
I definitely, if it's a fiveyears in the future, don't have
it set right after.
Have some time pass.
I think that would be important.
Do a Robin, do a tried and trueRobin in this movie?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
you can do all these things.
I think you're right.
I think the narrativedefinitely has to change a
little bit.
I don't think you can make thismovie directly in the aftermath
of the first one.
It would just be the suspensionof disbelief would probably be
a little bit too great to belike Gotham's still flooded.
So I think what you need to dois take a kind of like a Dark

(41:54):
Knight approach to this and belike he's been Batman now for a
little bit.
You saw him his kind of likefirst, kind of outing.
Yeah, that would be year six,seven Batman we'd see.
Yeah, and now he's just batmanlike this is what he does yeah,
gordon's the commissioner.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Now, like you can do all of these things, like now
you can get like a prime batmanthat's in its own like very
cinematic sect of its ownuniverse too and then you just
pick a villain yeah, pick avillain like I.
I still love the john carloesposito, as Mr Freeze would be
cool.
You could do Two-Face.
You have so many good OscarIsaac, you could call Oscar

(42:30):
what's the one, or Josh Hartnettas Two-Face.
You can go so many differentdirections, so many different
villains.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, the Matt Reeves-ification of Batman makes
me think Scarecrow.
I just think Scarecrow fitsthis kind of weird dark world
there's no shot.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
He doesn't use Beric Yogan as well too.
That's going to be an importantpiece.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I still think the Hannibal Lecter idea is still
fresh in my brain, especially ifyou do a Scarecrow-type villain
where Joker kind of confrontsBatman but he's just going like,
oh, this guy's messing withyour brain a little, but also
like the Riddler, also kind oflike was more mental warfare.
So maybe he does need like aBane-esque physical matchup.

(43:16):
Yeah, Like this go around.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Well, I think what it needs to start to transition to
is, like, because the biggerquestion of this is it's the why
, like, why is it gettingdelayed?
And I think it's because Ithink it's because the dcu, I
think they're, I think they're.
I think before it was the otherway around.
They were like, I think peoplelike the film nerds and the
comic lovers both love robertpattinson's batman, so like we

(43:38):
can like go full send into this.
But then I think the supermantrailer came out and they were
like, oh shoot, I think peopleare going to start to clamor for
everything in here.
Like I think they're going towant this universe put together.
And again, I don't even thinkthat was a James thing, I think
it was a Warner Brothers thing.
It's like get a Batman in thereas soon as you can.
Like the Reeves stuff is cool,but the Batman main universe
with Superman is going to sell,which it will.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
And I think, ultimately, maybe this stuff is
getting delayed because they'retrying to figure out a way to
fold him in.
You could plausibly, and Ithink they're just based off the
vibes of the Superman trailer.
I think they're a great mirrorfor one another.
Yeah, they are?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, they are.
And what you can say too isthat Batman movie took place
like year, not years, but like adecent amount of time, cause
you know what I think about,funny enough, remember the
batman premiere, and like theway he had his big black jacket
on and like I was like, oh,that's bruce wayne, like, give
me that and just put him therejust in the ages are appropriate

(44:37):
, like um, the ages areappropriate, like pattinson's
can play him for as much.
But you can still do yourbatman movie separate away and
like, because I think what youcan also do is you can do court
of owls.
If you want to do a biggerconspiracy, you could do the
court of owls for this batmanmovie coming up as well too, and
I mean, or what you could do,because they kind of tease it in
the first, you could do hush aswell too.

(44:58):
So you have options, but I'vebeen.
Obviously, once the supermantrailer came, the edits on
TikTok started dropping and Iwas just like, wait a minute.
I think they would be perfectBecause, again, you don't have
to worry about confusingaudiences, which is a big thing
that I think people are thinkingabout.
Don't confuse the audiences,and that's a studio thing Two

(45:19):
Batmen running at the same time,with as much people like Robert
Pattinson's Batman now Well,it's part of.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't want to compare what DC's doing with
Sony, but it is part of thereason why the Sony universe
failed, because people justdidn't have anything to attach
to.
They're like what is this?
Is Spider-Man here?
Who's Spider-Man?
What is happening?
Why is Michael Keaton here?
This is confusing and we're out.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
We're just out because what you could do
plausibly is and this wouldprobably help pattinson's batman
fit in a little bit better, um,especially because I I know the
rumblings if they want to do ateen titans movie as well too
what you possibly could do is,like you can do your time, jump
between the first and the secondone, have the batman part two,

(46:06):
just be in the dc universe, yeah, and like just be away from
everything else, and you can.
You can plausibly say like hey,I developed dick grayson in
this time, in this five-yeartime I met dick grayson.
I developed him jason todd, Ijust met him.
He died.
Like he died, you know, by thejoker's hand, and we put him
back in prison.
Like so you could still havebarry keoghan.

(46:26):
He died, you know, by theJoker's hand, and we put him
back in prison, like so youcould still have Barry Keoghan
get his.
You know his off-screenreverence for being the Joker as
well too.
And then, because I know whatthey want to do, they want to do
Grant Morrison's run on Batman.
They want to have, they want todo Dick Grayson or they want to
do Damian Wayne, which stillmakes sense, you can still cast
a Taliyah Al Ghul and you canhave.
It be that you can have himagainst the League of Shadows if

(46:47):
you want for that movie.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, and I think ultimately, obviously, the end
game of end games is JusticeLeague.
Right, and I think one of theshortcomings, one of the many
shortcomings of the Snyderverse,justice League is I think
Pattinson's Batman is a greatavenue to do it like Justice
League, the Animated Series,yeah, where he's not, he doesn't
want to be there.
Right, he doesn't want to be inthe Justice League.

(47:10):
That was the whole thing withthe animated Justice League
shows.
They kept trying to get Batman,and Batman was never really
there.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
No, no, and he was always the first one to be like
you guys are idiots.
You guys are idiots.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
You guys are idiots.
I think Pattinson's Batman fitsthat much better compared to
the Snyder version, where it wasAffleck's Batman putting the
Justice League together, whichalways never really made sense
to me.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
We didn't even talk about it as well too, because I
don't even know if we did lastweek, but Greg Fraser's going to
do the Batman part two he chosewe said it right going to do
the Batman part too.
He choked.
We talked about that and wechoked and we said it right.
Like him, being on the Batmanis more important than as crazy
as it sounds, cause Dune two isone of the visually greatest
films that's ever been released.
However, the Batman the firstBatman movie is one of the

(47:58):
greatest looking comic bookmovies ever.
It will still haunt me to thisday that that movie did not win
best cinematography in 2022.
It was the best looking movieof that year and you can argue
with a wall, so to the point ofthe greatest cinematographer of
all time even saying that thisis one of the most visually
stunning movies he'd ever seen.
And now and it doesn't even geta nomination is insane.

(48:20):
Yeah so greg frazier being there, and also, in my opinion,
because the the feel of whatJames is trying to do, like the
Lantern show, like the full-outunderstanding, like this is
gonna be like True Detective,like this high-prestige
television, like, but we'regonna put Kyle Chandler and
Aaron Pierre in this.
Like doing this likehorror-swamp-thing movie, like

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doing this like Game of Thrones,uh, paradise Lost show.
Like you can still do thecinema with these movies.
Like these movies should not bedevoid of anything like that
too.
So to put patents into thisuniverse would be amazing and,
like you know, the other side ofthe coin is no, he's separate
and we get a new Batman,completely, which I to your
point about the Sony verse.

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Like it's the confusion.
Like you might as well simplifythis universe.
Like it's the confusion.
Like you might as well simplifythis.
You know, the biggest questionis it's too p, it's matt reeves
is probably the bit.
That's the person they'reprobably trying to negotiate
with to be like I know, like Iget it.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Like I know you want to have like your high cinema,
like away from this and, to befair, I think if anyone could
convince him, it would beprobably james gunn, and I mean
I think Matt Reeves loves the,and especially you could see it
with the Apes movies as well,too.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Like he's not.
He's not like a person.
That's like.
I need to be completelyseparate because I'm better than
you.
I think he's a savant for, like,the love of the games over
anything.
So I think he would enter andagain that we're going to talk
about in a second when we talkabout this Superman trailer,
like he gets it, like Jamesabsolutely gets it, and like

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Matt Reeves was dipping so muchinto those Batman comics as well
too, like you want to talkabout dipping into the Batman
comics, like this Superman is,like dipping into those Superman
comics and then some.
So from both those fronts ofboth of them understanding it,
like what's the play?
Like hey, matt, you get to havean extended like producer

(50:11):
credit on anything.
We make sure let him have it.
Like, let him have whatever hewants, whatever spinoff show you
want to do on hbo max, go ahead, yeah, go ahead and do whatever
you want.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Like, if that gets robert pattinson together with
david corn, sweat, like thatmakes so much more sense yeah,
and make it, and you can make itjust natural and believable, as
opposed to what they did thefirst go around, yeah, where
they just smashed them togetherlike two action figures.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh no, make the second Batman movie, make the
second Superman movie.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, Both these guys are really young.
Yeah, pattinson's 38.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yep, he's got a lot of time, he's got time and then
what that can develop into,because I do think he wants to
do like I think, his culminationmovie, like his endgame at this
end of this thing.
I think he wants to do KingdomCome, like I think that's the
story and like I can just seenow Pattinson's Batman as that
old man.
Bruce Wayne, like the I toldyou.
So Bruce Wayne, like I can seeit, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
All right, let's jump into the Superman trailer.
Lord, yeah, it approached allsorts of records, obviously one
of the most watched trailers ofall time, easily DC's most
watched trailer.
I think it.
What was it behind Deadpool andWolverine?
It was behind Spider-Man.
No Way Home.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And Infinity War.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
So that's the type of company and the type of
interest um that this movie hasgarnered.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, I want to talk about this point too, like the
real world aspect of this.
Like I I've said this before onhere, but I can't now I can
finally stress this enoughthat's superman.
Like this is the archetypesuperhero that is the most
recognized superhero symbol onthe planet.
Like that's, he's him, like he.
That's Superman.

(51:50):
Like of course, this was goingto be the most watched trailer
in DC's history.
Like, but again, it's not thefact that this is DC, it's their
most watched trailer.
It's feel.
So you want to talk teasertrailers, you want to talk.
Feel like you shouldimmediately get feel.
And I remember the.
When I watched the trailer forthe first time, I had like this,

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like it was almost like thisshell shock of like I couldn't
believe it at first like I waswatching and I was just like
that was cool.
And then I watched it again.
I was just like, wait, that wasreally good.
I was like, wait a minute,what's it like?
What's happening?
I was like, oh, I get it, heunderstands, he gets it and
that's all because of feel.
And I mean you can split it anyway you want, you can talk.

(52:33):
Does it play?
Because of the nostalgia.
You have chris, you have youknow.
You have richard donners, youhave john williams original
theme in there, just modernized.
But man you want to talk about,this feels like superman.
Like if I were to pick up acomic right now and open the
page, and it doesn't matterwhose art it is, it could be
Gary Frank, it could be anybody,it could be Lionel Francis Yu,
it could be anybody's art thatyou want to pull from.

(52:54):
It could be Frank Quietly,that's Superman.
Like I opened the comic andthat's how I felt watching this
trailer.
Like what I really dove into inthe last week was I started
watching people's reactions tothe trailer, like people that
didn't have, like I hate to sayit, but like the Schneider bias,
and like you're talking to me,like I love man of Steel, like I
love that movie, but noSchneider bias.

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And like I was watching olderpeople watch this trailer and
like some of them were gettinglike emotional and I thought
about it and I was like it'sbecause this is Superman and
there's a feel to this Like thisfeels right.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
It just captures the essence ofthe character.
You know, and that's what agood teaser does Like.
I don't think this trailer hitall the beats right, it hit all
the beats.
It gave us, obviously.
It gave us him, it gave usSuperman, it gave us Lex Luthor.
You know, we got to look atNicholas Holt.
He looks phenomenal as LexLuthor.

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And the shots we get of him arepointed of like he feel the
rage.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
That first shot of him where Superman's flying
across and he turns around inthe all-black suit and I'm like,
oh, he hates him, Like that'sgenuine hate.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
We got Lois Lane.
We got Rachel Brosnahan.
I was just thinking.
When she shows up I'm just likehas there ever been a bad?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Lois Lane no no.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
The look is just always, always, Whoever the
actress is, always crushes thelook.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's the character, Maybeit's just.
I don't know Whatever it is.
They got it down Justthroughout history.
They got the Lois Lane lookdown because she looks
outstanding.
We get the shot of them at theend of the trailer.
Obviously we get Hawkgirl.

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We get a little look atHawkgirl.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Who looks pretty cool .
That was probably the best oneout of the three Because I think
I know what's gonna happen atthe end of this, but I'll save
that for a second.
But out of the three Lord Techsuits by Stag Industries, his is
the most accurate.
I saw people complaining aboutthem.
I said again it was that pointthat I made to you before we
hopped on the people that arecomplaining about some weird

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stuff about this trailer.
It feels like you haven'treally read a Superman comic or
a comic.
It feels like you've beendevoid of that, but your only
knowledge of it is throughvisual media, live action media.
So your perspective is skewed alittle bit.
That Mr Terrific looksincredible and if you want to
complain about anything,complain about Guy Gardner,
because he's ugly.
Your perspective is skewed alittle bit Like that.
Mr Terrific looks Incredible.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Incredible.
Yeah, and if you want tocomplain about anything,
complain about Guy Gardner,because he's ugly.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, that's not.
I love that they were like Ican't believe this idiot looks
so stupid with the bowl cut.
I'm like what do you think GuyGardner was thinking when he got
drawn that way?
He think he was happy.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
He think he wanted to be.
Give it a bowl cut.
No Jerk, he's the worst we got.
Yeah, I mean, we got Crypto.
Crypto is in this.
People love that.
I love that.
Oh man, everyone loved that.
Everyone loved that.
If it's one thing everyoneuniversally agreed on and loved,
it was Crypto.
In this trailer, they gaveCrypto all the powers.
He's a super fast, super speedydog.
Yep Runs across the Arctic andhe's the goodest boy he is.

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If anything happens to Crypto,I'm burning James Gunn's house
down.
I'm on the record.
We got that great shot of himsaving that girl.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
So that was when the music crests in this trailer.
That's when I was like, oh,yeah, yep, like I'm in and it's
that stupid thing that I'vetalked about before, that I was
just like it's what.
Bvs was missing.
Like, yeah, save the cat out ofthe truck.
He saves people.
I'm not naive.
He saves people in bvs and manof steel, but like I'm talking
and obviously this is before thekaiju fight, he saves people.

(56:41):
But like, save the cat out ofthe tree, save the person that's
falling man, that shot, just itbroke me.
Like that shot was justphenomenal, like this action
seems tight.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I mean, I know he talked about the fact that they
wanted, like this Top Gun flightscenes you get some of that in
the trailer too, when he'sflying through the Arctic and
it's kind of like the behind theshoulder, kind of like almost
first person shot of him flying,which is it's the top he's
right, it is the top gun thinglike it feels like you're like

(57:14):
riding with Superman, which isin IMAX.
I'm sure that probably looksincredible, yep.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
He looks phenomenal, he looks great.
He looks phenomenal as he looksphenomenal, he looks great.
He looks phenomenal as both asClark Kent and Superman.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, he looks great and I just can't wait to,
because obviously what we didn'tget in this trailer really is
him doing any dialogue or lines.
No, we didn't there's nonarrative in this, so I'm just
curious just to see how hesounds as Superman and Clark
Kent.
I think we're going to talkabout Superman and Lois in a

(57:48):
second.
I think that's.
One of the things TylerHoechlin absolutely crushes is
just his delivery of things andhis mannerisms.
We got a little Clark Kent-ymannerisms in this trailer.
He's kind of bumbling aroundthe street, he's kind of hunched
over at his desk.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
And that's that all star Superman to him, he
literally looks different.
He looks bigger, he looksophier, but now, when he turns
into Superman, he looks like man.
What a phenomenal look.
What a stamp to put thedirector of the Guardians of the
Galaxy trilogy also not titlecarding the trailer.

(58:27):
Why would you have to?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Right?
No, I think it's brilliant, butit's just.
You know who this is.
Yeah, exactly, I think it'sperfect.
I was super impressed and allthe expectations I had for this
movie continued to rise.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah, because I was genuinely for next year.
I was battling between this andFantastic Four, which one was
the one.
And I remember the day beforethey had that motion poster with
the new theme that the composerfor the Guardians of the Galaxy
movies kind of remixed JohnWilliams' score and somebody
made a good point, I think,going forward, they're going to
James Bond it where the Williamstheme is the theme and then

(59:05):
it's just going forward.
They're going to James Bond itwhere, like, the Williams theme
is like the theme and then it'sjust going to whatever version
of Superman it would be.
They're just going to kind ofremix it a little bit.
I mean, they did it in freakingin Black Adam.
They did it.
They used a little rift.
They did use a little rift.
Why you wouldn't use HansZimmer's rifts, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Because it's still that.
One's still an incredible onetoo.
We gotta look at Pa Kent, paKent yep, presumably before he
dives headfirst into a tornado.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
No, he's not gonna do that in this one they're gonna
do the good old heart attack.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Nah, the good old heart attack, classic heart
attack.
We're gonna talk about aclassic heart attack in a second
, when we talk about Supermanand Lois.
But I mean, yeah, all in all,this trailer was incredible.
Assuming neither this nor theFantastic Four moves, july is
going to be amazing.
Oh my gosh, this is theBarbenheimer of superhero movies

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.
What I would have given for.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Funny enough, I think there was probably a
gentleman's agreement, because Ido think that Kevin Feige and
James are going to talk to eachother.
They're friends and I thinkbusiness-wise they're probably
friends right now too.
They're like if you don'tinfringe on me, I won't infringe
on you and, conversely, I'mgoing to use you, you use me.
I think it was smart, becausethis one comes out first and

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then the 25th is Fantastic Four.
Right, that's going to giveSuperman enough time to breathe,
like I'm a psychopath, likewhen Fantastic Four comes out.
I'm seeing both of these moviesin the same day like I'm gonna
see both.
I want to see both of them backto back and I want to see like
it's not even for a comparepiece and I think I think Matt
Shackman also knew that goinginto Fantastic Four like I'm
also gonna have to make thisthis like nostalgia feeling like

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MCU current separate classicsuperhero movie that's devoid of
anything that the MCUshortcomings has right now.
Again, he probably said Iguarantee James was probably
talking a little bit.
He's like you guys don'tunderstand.
I got one, I really got oneahead of us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, and I think you're right.
I think a Super Bowl trailerfor Fantastic Four is absolutely
going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Well, this trailer came out mid-december, so that's
gonna be.
But they have options.
I mean, he can wait because Ithink that fantastic four
trailer is really gonna take thesuper bowl, like that's gonna
be the one of the super bowl.
So maybe he waits and he sayslike let's wait on the full,
like the full official trailer,until like March, because he's

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not going to do it any laterthan March.
Like Marcus you're too close toJuly, by March, to do your first
trailer, because we're going toconceivably get a second
trailer by that time too.
But probably, like April May,we're going to get the second,
probably to play in front of theThunderbolts, like just right
before July happens.
You're going to want to, andthen the Fantastic Four is
probably going to want theirfirst official trailer by that
time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
So I just think, yeah , a Super Bowl trailer for
Fantastic Four makes a lot ofsense, especially because
Captain America comes out acouple weeks after, or the week
of yeah, because the Super Bowlis the first week and Captain
America is the second week.
Yeah, Captain America isBecause I think what's going to
happen is the Fantastic Fourtrailer is going to drop in the
Super Bowl and they're going toinsert it into the Captain

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America reel.
It's going to be part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Because I think what's going to probably happen
too is, I think, that becausewe've seen so much leaked
footage from the cons forFantastic Four, where I think
they're trying to cut togetherthis big, grandiose trailer to
go for the Super Bowl, so thenit will drop online as well too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Show us Galactus.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Right, show us Galactus, like, show us, like
this big.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Show us the girl server.
No, don't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think they're trying to put something together
where it's like this, like big,like hey, like I know the
Superman trailer came out, butlike A, you forgot what studio
that owns the game right now.
And like B, like this is theFantastic Four, like this is the
tried and true, like here'sPedro Pascal front and center
during the Super Bowl, likethey're probably waiting for
that, but yeah, you're probablygonna want to play on the movies

(01:02:56):
that are coming out and 2025 isloaded.
Like you don't even need theMarvel and DC see movies to kind
of put it in front of it either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Any, final thoughts on the Superman trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Phenomenal.
You want to talk absolute feel.
It gave me the same butdifferent feel of when I watched
the first official Batmantrailer, the first full trailer
for the Batman, and again itwent to my point of do you just
put them together like you justput them?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
in the same universe like yeah like the feel that I
got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Obviously it was a different feel, but like.
I think the feel is like thesethat's like, that's it, like
that's who they are, like that'sBatman, like that's Superman,
like.
I love that feeling of when youwatch something and like, like.
Let's just say it's like likehopefully it happens with this
fantastic four trailer You'd belike that's the fantastic four,
like I got that from the show.
Like man, that's Superman, likethat's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Shout out that guy who conks Superman in the back
of the head with a soda can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Hey man, that's messed up man, what a throw man
that girl well, I was.
I was like oh, yeah, oh yeah.
Cinema I literally saw peoplecrying just from watching that.
Um, good stuff, very good stuff.
I mean I that's my mostanticipated of 2025, by a long

(01:04:16):
shot now um, more superman,superman and lois what a show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
What a show man.
Um, what a show.
What a show man.
What a show.
And a show where, once thisfinal season got announced and
they announced it was going tobe reduced episode count I was
like, uh-oh, are we going tomail this in?
Are we going to end this stupidCW, going to end this amazing

(01:04:42):
show?
And they're just going to mailthis in Because we can.
The CW-averse series finales,in particular, are hit and miss.
The Flash season 9 was notgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Not great is a non-great.
It's the funniest finalethey've ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
The Supergirl finale they've ever done.
The Supergirl finale was mostlyforgettable.
Sure, the Arrow season seriesfinale was pretty good, yep,
especially the way they wereable to weave crisis into it as
well.
The Black Lightning seriesfinale didn't feel like a series
finale.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
No, and it's not their fault.
They ended it yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Legends.
It's not their fault.
Legends of Tomorrow's seriesfinale was fine.
The track record is Seriesfinales are hard.
We've talked about this a lotwhen we've talked about shows
wrapping up.
Series finales are really hard,but it is clear, having seen it
, now, that they took these 10episodes and crafted a very
concise, very heartfelt, verypointed narrative that

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successfully sends off thesecharacters and this iteration of
Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
You know what also works for this, because
obviously, character is the mostimportant thing you can do
storytelling-wise.
It's work through yourcharacter, right.
You know what this also doesincredibly well.
It does this, the comic bookstuff so, and it weaves it to
the perfect like funnel, rightuntil that last episode, like it
was.
That it's.
We talked about it.

(01:06:17):
It's the literal inverse towhat the what the flash finale
was.
It's like the flash finaletried to play everything so coy
like.
Remember how I said it in FlashRebirth, not the new Flash
Rebirth, the original FlashRebirth, that big old splash
page, the Superman and Loisfinale.
Does the splash page I waswaiting for from that?
They actually do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
They do it with the kids and with John Henry and his
daughter and with this show.
What you don't realize fromepisode 1 going to episode 10 is
it's about the death ofSuperman and what that feels
like the first episode he dies,you get the finishing result of

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his battle with Doomsday, whichfinished season 3.
Also, what I was hinting at uptop, the weaving and and and
creativity, um that they use torip different things from the,
from the lore of superman, andweave it into, like the decision
to take a, the decision, thefirst decision to do Bizarro as

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this alternate universe, clarkKent that lived under a red sun
and was consumed by fame and heends up trying to redeem himself
and fails in the process anddies, becomes Bizarro, becomes
this monster that is then takenby Lex Luthor and turned into

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Doomsday by Luthor, torturinghim, killing him, bringing him
back to life to turn him intoDoomsday.
That first decision wasbrilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
And it just shows the long-term intelligence of this
writing staff in terms of whatthey're doing and the source
material they have.
And I mean we should have known, because that steel reveal is
so incredible and they did thatin the first season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And that plot point carries through all the way to
this finale, when Superman comesback again, when he comes back
and him and Doomsday fight againand he gets Doomsday up to the
sun and he's about to justmollywop him into the sun and
Doomsday goes like this and youget the flashbacks to his life
as Bizarro and he just kind offalls into the sun and you're

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like it's touching.
They gave Doomsday this monster.
That's all he is in the comics.
He's a monster.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
He's a mindless monster.
He's a turret.
To give Superman something toactually fear.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Yeah, physically, yeah.
Monster, a turret to giveSuperman something to actually
fear.
Yeah, physically, yeah.
And the fact that they turnedit into this really touching
moment where Doomsday remembershis humanity as Kal-El is, it's
like beyond the pale of like youdidn't have to go that hard,
superman and Lois.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Reiner, you possibly could have just made Doomsday
Doomsday and everything be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, but they built this whole season around the
fact that Doomsday, doomsday andeverything be okay.
Yeah, but they built this wholeseason around the fact that
Doomsday was used to be Kal-ElYep, and that first episode,
like I said, superman gets hisheart ripped out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah, yep, and Lex Luthor stomps it out again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yes, that's another plot thread of this final season
.
That was tremendous becausethey again it's your point about
how smart the writing staff isthey build this narrative thing
Like, oh, we just have to gethis heart back and put it back
in his body, problem solved.
And you're like, oh, that'swhat they're going to do.
And then Jordan goes to get theheart back and it's all a trap

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orchestrated by Lex Luthor.
He stomps the heart right infront of Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
You're like, oh, wait , it's the thing we always talk
about Like, talking about likeyou're if you're gonna do
something.
It's two ways it's thecharacter, being smart, or it's
the, the, what you're trying todo being smart and like.
We've seen it both ways of likeit works or it doesn't work
because the staff isn't.
I don't want to.
I hate them.
I hate to say it that way.
Like the staff's not I'm likethey're.

(01:09:59):
They're they're smart, likethey had they had to work
towards all like they're.
They're living my dream out.
You know what I mean.
Like I can't sit and be.
Like they're not smart, likethey're doing exactly what I
want to do one day, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
That's not fair.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
But like it's tough when staffs have to try to keep
up with that, the staff knew,because they cared about these
characters from day one.
I think that's the biggestdifference.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, so Lex stom, yeah, so he stopped.
Lex stomps the heart out andyou're like, oh wait, is he wait
?
Like how, how are they?
They have you questioning like,how are they?
And now, how are they going tobring him back?
Like, and it comes, and againwhat this final season does.
It takes these minor charactersthat all of them you know, got
a reduced role, like all theminor characters, um the same.
The sam lane character comesand he, if you follow the

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chronology of the show, he's theone who never really bought
into the idea that Superman canhave a family.
They show the flashbacks inthis final season of him asking
Sam for his blessing and Sam'slike no, you don't have my
blessing, superman, you can't beSuperman and have a life,
especially with my daughter.
And then that comes all the wayback around and sam knowingly

(01:11:09):
sacrifices himself.
He injects himself with the um,the serum that that was
developed um at the dod tobasically create more supermen,
right, um, because sam's secretmission was trying to find a
donor and doomsday attacks.
And Sam's like well, we're outof time, injects himself checks
himself with a serum, sacrificeshimself to doomsday, doomsday,

(01:11:32):
snaps his neck Um heartbreakingscene, oh my God.
Yeah, when he just kind of likebreak Sam's neck and drops him
on the ground, you're like, ooh.
Um, then John and John HenryIrons flies to the Fortress of
Solitude with Sam's body andSuperman returns Dun, dun, dun,
but the caveat now that he has ahuman heart.
Yep, and it's a really smartway to kind of do the all-star

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Superman thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The all-star Superman stuff.
They do the camp.
He goes to the store to try tobecause his hair is graying.
So he goes to the store to tryto, because his hair is graying
so he tries to get the.
Goes to the store to get thelittle the hair just for men.
But like, that's your point,that's a great point of like
they do, like all these thingsthese movies try to do for so
long, like, and if you thinkabout it, it's like, was it ever
complicated or do we just needto care about the?

(01:12:22):
What you're doing?
He's losing his powers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
His powers are not, his hearing is not as good as it
was.
It's such a great way in afinal season to make him.
I mean, we saw him die in thefirst episode, but now he comes
back and you're like, all right,he's Superman again, but he's
not.
And you're like that's a reallyinteresting idea that he
doesn't know and we don't knowif he can beat Doomsday, if

(01:12:46):
Doomsday should show back up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
It's can he not beat Doomsday?
Can he beat Doomsday?
But it's also like it'sallegorical, because it's like
it's the whole piece of lifeitself.
Like this it's the thing thatturned him into Superman.
It's the human aspects of hislife.
It's like it's him being afather like him, having Jordan
and John, like his father diedand that kind of gave him like

(01:13:08):
the like the you know, I justneed to take all of his
teachings like it's the inverse,like this is life.
It's like Superman's greatest,like it's his greatest adversary
but it's his greatest ally,it's his humanity.
Like that's the thing thatreally, like it really
perpetuates Tyler Heckling'sSuperman over you know that part
.
You can put over ChristopherReeve's Superman.

(01:13:29):
You can put over, you can putover, obviously, brandon Routh,
like you can put over HenryCowles.
It's like that humanity pieceis like I've never seen work
like that in Superman in liveaction before.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Like he has that scene with John Henry Irons
where he's doing the tests onhim and he's like look man,
you're a healthy 60 year old manlike Sam was as fit a man as he
could be, but he's still.
You still have a human heartpumping and you're pumping blood
into you and eventually you'regonna wake up one day and you're
not gonna be Superman anymore.

(01:14:00):
And that line like you're likeoh, what do you mean?
What do you mean he's not goingto do Superman.
So now, like the clock'sticking and the inverse of that
is Michael Kudlitz's Lex Luthor,who goes from this brawler,
angry, biker kind of guy andthen man when he shaves the
beard and he gets this.
I'm like wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Have you ever seen Doomsday Clock, the one cover
with Lex Luthor?
I forget, wait a minute.
Have you ever seen doomsdayclock, the one cover with lex
luther, when he I forget whathe's holding?
Um, but I don't know why thatversion of lex luther reminded
me of michael cutler's lexluther, like clean shaven, like
full suit on, like I was like,oh shoot, like that truth really
is.
Tyler heckling's lex luther,like, but again it's the work of
, like the comic bookiness ofthe season, to be like, no,

(01:14:42):
we're gonna're going to give youeverything, we're going to give
you all that comic book.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
And again the remix of Lore.
He steals John Henry Iron'ssuit to create the Lex Luthor
battle armor and I'm like, again, that is such a perfect tie to
you know, and I love the season.
One callback Callback that hewas, that he used the moniker of
luther and he takes.

(01:15:05):
And you know, when supermantakes the boys to the fort,
because john gets powers, john'spowers awaken, it becomes
jonathan kent superboy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Well, wasn't the whole thing that his powers were
more, you know, natural to him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
that he got all the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
He got all the powers right because he's he
truthfully is superboy, it'sjust his word.
More natural like that he takesto it it quicker.
It's because it's the lastseason, but truthfully, he just
has a more natural aptitude forbeing, and he always wanted it
Right, especially after hisbrother got powers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
That was John's whole narrative arc.
He was the perfect son.
He was the perfect child.
He was the perfect fit to beSuperboy, and he just wasn't
which was interesting.
And then he gets powers and hejust takes to it like a duck
takes to water.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
But then the inverse, jordan immediately is just like
we're right back to square one.
We're right back to where hewas, the golden child.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
made me special was the fact that I got powers and
now Jordan retires he doesretire, but then Superman comes
back.
He takes the boys aside when heI forget what happens.
Oh, he fights John Henry Ironsbecause John Henry Irons gets
the suit hijacked and John HenryIrons almost beats him.
And that's when Supermanrealizes, like I can't beat

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Doomsday, he goes back to thefortress, he walks through the
fight with his mom and she'slike tell me what happened.
And he's walking through thefight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
And he's like tell me what happened.
And he's walking through thefight and he's like he
overpowered me and he killed melike I don't think I could beat
him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
He was having like ptsd trying to watch that fight
too it was.
And then he realizes, like I,as much as I want to protect my
boys, like I need them toovercome this um, he trains them
at the fortress.
They fight season one, johnhenry irons it was very video
game-esque.
It's like you go back, thestranger pops up and they fight
um an ai version of steel, whichwas cool.
Um, and then the lex lutherstuff, man man, he and I love

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what undoes lex.
At the end it's his obsession,not with superman per se, lois
lane yep, it's his obsessionwith Lois that ultimately undoes
him, because he's so fixated onthe fact that she stole 20
years of his life by sending himto prison that every
opportunity he gets to let it go, he can't let it go, and that's

(01:17:18):
the thing that undoes him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
And it's such a testament to not only Lois' art
but Elizabeth Tulloch'sperformance as well too, as know
, not only Lois' art butElizabeth Tollett's performance
as well too as Lois, becauseLois had been beaten the season
before and still came backCancer, yeah, like you had the
worst thing and then still comeback.
And I mean that's one thing Iwant to talk about Across the
board.
These performances, like again,like I can talk CW-ification of

(01:17:44):
things and be like for the CW,this is good.
No, no, no.
These are just goodperformances, just point blank.
They're outstanding.
I mean, they touch uponeverything that makes the comic
versions of them so good.
But then, like I said, this isstill just a good drama show,
just overlaid on top of that, orI don't know which one is
overlaid, I don't know if theSuperman is overlaid or if the
drama is the overlay, but theyjust they marry each other

(01:18:06):
perfectly yeah, and it's hisobsession with Lois that he just
can't let it go and it driveshis daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
He reunites with his daughter.
The only thing that he everwanted was to have his daughter
back in his life.
Was that the only thing youwanted?
Nope, played by Agents ofSHIELD's own plays his daughter,
which was cool.
Tom Cavanaugh piped up in thisin the season, as Godfrey, who
comic book viewers know is oneof the heralds of Darkseid,

(01:18:35):
which is the funniest thing ever.
What?
if he is in this universe too.
I guess there were plans.
You know the showrunners havesaid there were plans to do dark
side, there were plans to dobrainiac well, I think season
five naturally would have beenbrainiac that would have made,
because I think they had thatcall back to brainiac as well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
It was the one that helped him make some, I think
the suit.
Yeah, it helped with the suit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Whatever it was, it was from brainiac's human name
yeah, that would have been, thatwould have been good.
Yeah, and I have no doubt thatthey would have pulled it off.
Um, and then we get this finale.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Um, what a, what an incredible episode, to the point
where, like I felt likeeverybody was watching this
finale, I'm just like wait aminute Is.
Is that Superman?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Like Superman and Lex Luthor comes to a head.
Um, we get one pretty.
It's a pretty brief brawl whichI kind of liked.
Um, cause, they build up.
Lex put, they build up.
He puts all the gadgets andgizmos in the suit to fight
Superman, this kryptonite bulletthat can drill his way into.

(01:19:34):
Because Lex realizes he mightbe the man of Steel but he still
has a human heart.
So if I can pierce his hearthe's toast Right.
But then Superman fights.
He fights Doomsday again,pushes Doomsday into the sun.
He absorbs the sun, Gets hishearing back.
Like that I love the tie-in,Like him fighting Doomsday,

(01:19:56):
overcoming Doomsday, absorbingthe power of the sun.
And he gets it's kind of like awestern kind of he gets like
one last go, one last go as afully powered Superman, Because
he gets his hearing back, he canhear from space again, which he
had struggled to do all season.
He couldn't hear across town,Right.
So he gets this one last go asa fully powered Superman to

(01:20:22):
fight Lex Luthor.
And he does the.
You know, my wife, my town.
He's punching Lex across anarea code.
Lex keeps coming back andSuperman finally gives him one
big old loaded boom, Punches himout of the suit Shatters.
The steel suit John Henry Ironsis like oh no, no, my suit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Man, if they would have given him that suit that we
saw the behind the scenes of,as like the subsequent suit
after this, that steel suitlooked amazing.
And it's just the fact he hashis wedding ring out when he's
going in for the punch.
It's just like again to thecomic point of it, like that's
one of the greatest rivalries incomics, like finally coming to

(01:21:07):
we didn't see this.
We've never like We've neverseen it like this in live action
before.
Like they did it, like theyactually did it.
And he still saves his life atthe end too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Oh, yeah, he catches him.
Yeah, oh, Superman's.
He outs himself to the world.
Well, that's one of the bigarcs of the season.
Yeah, because people startfinally figuring it out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Well, he died in the street.
Well, he died in the street.
But then why are the Kentsgoing over to Superman and why
are they all crying like?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
that, why are?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
they so upset?
Why are they so upset?
Why did one of the sons callhim dad?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And then we get that great scene in the diner with
the guy that he confronted inseason three.
Oh, what's his name's dad?
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
her name's dad, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Candace's dad, yeah that scene is still incredible,
that first the first scene whenhe clark, are you all right?
Nope, nope, um.
And then superman.
He has no choice because lexluther told candace's dad that
clark is Superman and he's like.
I need to find out whether it'strue.

(01:22:08):
Like you ruined my life,superman, not me being a drug
dealer.
Yeah, how could you do this tome?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
How could you make me do this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
He fires a gun in the diner and Superman slows down
time and he's like, all right,crap Opens the chest and
everyone's like, holy shit,you're not Superman, are you?
You're Superman.
And it goes really well for him.
He does a really nice interview.
Yeah, great homage With JanetOlsen.
Yep, jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Olsen's in this.
Jimmy Olsen and he's properly.
And the arc that they giveJimmy Olsen to is so
heartbreaking In like oneepisode yeah, they give Jimmy
Olsen to is so heartbreaking Inlike one episode yeah, because
Jimmy thinks that Clark hateshim.
Yeah, but Clark's like no, I amSuperman.
Sorry about making you feelthat I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
He's properly Jimmy Olsen.
He's not cool, james Olsen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Yeah, he's not James Olsen.
What was his name from thecrossover?
What was his name from thecrossover?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Oh, yeah, what was it Not the Patriot, not the
Patriot.
I don't remember who knows theGuardian.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
The Guardian, james Olsen.
James Olsen, you think you'recool?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
I just it's not a birthmark Cole, it means you've
been chosen.
It's not a birthmark Clark,it's not a birthmark man.
He fights Lex Luthor, he getshim, it's all good, and then we
get this just incrediblevoiceover monologue.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Because the episode's like halfway over and you're
like where are we going?

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
They were like we're going to break everybody's heart
, holy shit and we get thisgreat dialogue, this monologue
from Tyler Hoechlin, thisvoiceover classic CW voiceover
is back, but it's done in thebest way possible and Superman
just kind of walks us throughthe rest of his and Lois' life.
He lost his powers, so he setup him and Lois set up like a

(01:24:02):
philanthropy thing, used theirfame, used their fame from being
Superman and Lois Lane up likea philanthropy thing, use their
fame, use their fame for beingSuperman and Lois Lane to keep
helping people.
Jordan and Jonathan becameproper superheroes.
They got their own costumes,like you said.
We get that splash page shot ofSuperman flying with the two
boys and John and Natalie.
And then things take a turnLois' cancer returns.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Um, she got to live 32 more wonderful years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yep, after that, um, john and Jordan have heaps of
grandkids that Clark brings tothe farm and all this, Um, and
then he got a dog.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
And they.
I love it cause they didn't shyaway from it.
Just make them crypto.
Yeah, you don't have to make itcomplicated?

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
yeah, it didn't.
Yeah, it was a lot.
How have I never had a dogbefore crypto and I spent a lot
of, went on a lot of walkstogether.
Um had a lot of great momentsbecause lois passed at this
point, so that's why he ended upgetting crypto.
Um, that scene where she dies isheartbreaking because, like you
, like you see, like his worstfears from season three kind of

(01:25:10):
realized like the one thing thatlike he couldn't save her from,
and it came back and and gother um, so she dies.
And then he's walking crypto.
And then he said and then myheart gave out um, almost in the
same exact spot where my daddied, and it would have been
where I died if it wasn't forKyle.

(01:25:30):
Yeah, kyle, you know, broughtme back, but I was on the ropes.
And then I think the line fromthis that's always going to
stick with me was the first timeI died, you know it was dark.
And then he goes the secondtime I died, it was wonderful,

(01:25:51):
and you see him die.
And then he kind of like whenhe come like ghost, superman,
rises up, um and he just walksus through, kind of his
perspective on humanity and hisperspective on life and love and
how important love is.
Um.
You see him kind of visitingwith the younger versions of his
sons, um they share a big hug.
He visits lex luther who'ssitting at a table, um, and he

(01:26:14):
kind of puts his hand on lex'sshoulder and gives him like a
sorry, I forgive you like youknow we're cool.
We're cool now, um, and, andthen he opens the door, opens um
, big light, and there's Lois inthat red dress and he says she
looks beautiful.
Um, and he basically isspeaking to the audience saying

(01:26:35):
you know, don't give up on love.
Like loves, the one thing thatwe have, you know, and it's,
it's beautiful.
It's like as far as likesend-off for a character.
It was absolutely perfect theway they went about it, with him
just doing a monologue at theend like a voiceover, how CW of

(01:26:57):
them did it.
It was very CW, but at the sametime it was I couldn't have
thought of a better way to do itand the weirdest of ways of
thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
That was his stamp of ways of thinking.
That's like that was like hisstamp of approval of like I am
Superman, like that was like thelast, like that was the last
piece of the puzzle to be like.
No, like I'm Superman, likethis is I'm gonna be remembered
as like one of the greatestSuperman to ever don this
costume and it's the truth.

(01:27:32):
Like, if we want to just talkabout tyler heckling for a
little bit, you want to talkabout every aspect of what makes
superman an incrediblecharacter, one of the most
famous symbols on the planet.
Like tyler heckling capturedall that and then they got
innovative and then they didn'tdo the comic way of me.
They did, but they didn't dothe comic way of making him
giving him a young son and he'ssuper boy and and they do all.
No, no, no, no.
They put this family drama deadcenter in this too, and they
let them.
They just let them be Like allthat Superman stuff was so cool,

(01:27:54):
but if you would have strippedthat and still given you this
show, like it still would haveplayed.
Like it still would have played, because all these performances
are incredible and I caredabout all these characters.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
The line he gives at the end sums up Superman perfect
.
He says I came to this worldalone and when I left it I had
so much and it was all becauseof love.
It's the thing that makes lifeworth living.
Do everything you can to findlove, to give it, to hold onto
it, because life goes by so fastand I'm like what, the what I

(01:28:31):
was flabbergasted.
I was like wow, like I don'tthink I've ever seen a superhero
show and quite like that no, no, I'm, I'm literally trying to
think.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
I mean, smallville's finale is still, it's still,
it's still cool, I think.
I think smallville's finale iscool, like, I think it's the
cool because it's the, it's the,it's the end of the beginning,
like, it's the.
Yeah, it's right where you'reabout to start, you know.
But man, man, man man, you wantto talk about the poetic

(01:29:07):
justice of what the end of thiswas like and it's so fitting
that we go into this new age ofsuperman.
Like.
I don't even want to, becausebefore I was going to say, like
tyler heckling was the perfectbridge piece to get it like, get
us from henry cavill to date,but no, no, no, he's one of the
pillar pieces of superman.
Like he is, he is one of themost like, he's going to be one
of the more important parts oflike the superhero genre,

(01:29:31):
especially from a televisionlens, of like what can be?
Because I remember the stigmaused to be before of like you
can't have your big boys in a TVshow.
Like can't have Spider-Man in aTV show.
You can do it, but they have tobe like.
It has to be like before.
It has to be before Like.
No, you don't have to.
You can have the prime versionsof these characters.
Be them right now, like you canhave that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Yeah, I've never seen a superhero show end like that
before, like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I've been seeing the react like, say, I talked about
the Superman trailer, but likethe reaction to this finale,
like people crying at thisfinale, and again it's feel like
that's the full out truth ofwhat Superman is Like.
They hit it, they hiteverything nail on the head Like
what an incredible finale.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, and I mean you know, I mean arrow ended with
Oliver dying.
So it's not like we haven'tseen that before, but this had
so much more weight to it where,like it was truly final Right,
you know, and it wrapped a bowon everything that not just he

(01:30:35):
had seen prior to like the showstarting, you know, but
everything that we had also seenfrom season one on, and it was
just I can't say enough goodthings about it like it was
that's just a perfect send-off,and you wouldn't think that a
show about superman would endwith him dying not only with him

(01:30:55):
dying, but him dying in such asatisfying poetic like, like the
natural progression of life.
Dying and that's why the andthat's why the bookend of how
the season started with himdying in this violent battle
with Doomsday and himcommentating on that.
The first time I died it wasbasically horrific, it was dark

(01:31:16):
and it was horrible.
And then for him to turn aroundand go the second time I died
was so much different and it wasamazing and the feeling that
washed over me I can't begin todescribe it.
And it was amazing and thefeeling that washed over me, I
can't begin to describe it.
And then he begins to justperfectly describe it in the
only way Superman can yeah, man,shout out, tyler Hoechlin man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
What a casting, what an absolute, and we knew from
that first time watching him inSupergirl I was like it's one of
those things where you watch,you're like, wait a minute, it
catches you by surprise.
You're like because in yourmind you're like, well, this is
a CW TV show and he's, you know,he's Teen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Wolf.
You know he's, you know he's agood actor.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
It's the same thing.
Well, obviously, on paperspeaking, I mean, he's a better
actor than Stephen Amell.
I don't think there's an if andor but about it, but it's the
same progression piece.
I watched Teen Wolf.
He was not this.
He is a legitimate, very, verygood actor now.
He is so great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah, he's incredible and I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
He does the arm cross perfectly, he's sto and I hope
he does the.
He does the arm cross perfectly.
He's.
He's stoic, he's tender, he'slike he's understanding.
Like I mean this show has somany heights.
I mean I was thinking about it.
I mean like remember when theyflipped the all star Superman
when he saves the girl in thecomic, and they flip it to Lois
saving the woman and I forgetwhat she was in that show, but

(01:32:47):
or but.
They flip it to lois, like this, and that's the other part of
this show.
It's like this isn't superman,it's superman and lois, and like
there's a fear that comes with.
That is like lois is one of thestrongest parts of this.
It doesn't work without her.
It doesn't work she'scompletely fearless.
Um, that's exactly who lois laneis like I don't care what
situation I run in too, I don'tcare what happens to me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
She confronts Doomsday and appeals to his
humanity, which, in lesser hands, that could have come across
incredibly cheesy you do that insome other CW shows it just
implodes from the way that shespoke to him to the flashes of
you see, doomsday's inner mindworking where, like, he sees his

(01:33:29):
former life and he sees lois inthat life and it makes sense,
it just makes sense.
And you're like, wow, um.
So I mean I don't know wheretyler heckling goes from here,
but I hope he just his career,just ascends from here.
Um, and then I mean I don'tknow, I don't know if there's
ever a world where he comes backas Superman at some point for

(01:33:53):
something.
I don't know where that wouldbe, maybe like an HBO Max thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
I mean we're talking years, but he would be perfect
for a Crisis thing later down onthe line.
It's the same way they playbrandon ralph and in crisis is
the same thing that james gunncan use.
I would love that years downthe line.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
He can and don't get me wrong, I loved the send-off.
I think if this is the last weever see of him, it's beautiful
and it's perfect, but I wouldkill in like 5-10 years from now
if he was Superman again insomething.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
It would be incredible so, yeah, imagine in
a world of like, if we had evergotten a.
Imagine a world we've evergotten like a CW Batman.
Imagine that Justice League.
Yeah, because I don't know whoit would have been.
I don't know how you go aboutit.
We've ever gotten like a CWBatman.
Imagine that Justice League.
Yeah, because I don't know whoit would have been.
I don't know how you go aboutit.
I mean, there was.
I mean, jansen Ackles wouldhave probably been the perfect

(01:34:52):
choice to play that Batman atthat point.
But imagine that Justice Leaguelike Superman, the Flash Green
Arrow Batman.
Like you could have done it.
Like you actually could havedone Martian Manhunter.
You could have done it, youactually could have done Martian
Manhunter.
You could have had an actualJustice League team.
You probably would have justneeded a Batman and a Wonder
Woman if you wanted a tried andtrue one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Man, if there's ever a world where they can do a
Justice League miniseries andget them all back, yeah, Get
Grant back.
Get Stephen Amell back, getTyler Hoechlin.
Bring Cress Williams back.
As Black Lightning you can useMelissa Benoist and just have
them do a thing.
That would be incredible.

(01:35:30):
But yeah, man, I can't sayenough good things.
I was really worried going intothis final season that I didn't
know how this was going to go,with the reduced budget, with
the shorter episodes, with thecast getting kind of downsized
and they, you, you know,predictably they crushed it,
crushed it, incredible man.

(01:35:52):
Yeah, so that was fun.
That was our Superman centricepisode.
What a character.
I think, if anything thatSuperman and Lois says and the
trailer said is that over thelast couple of years all due
respect to Henry Cavill, butbetween this trailer, between
Superman and Lois, this isSuperman, this is what the

(01:36:15):
character should make you feel,this is what it feels like to
have this character around Like.
This is both both.
You know, I know one's just atrailer and we haven't seen the
movie yet, but the feeling thatthat trailer captured is the
same feeling that you getwatching that finale of Superman
and Lois, watching like thepilot of Superman and Lois,

(01:36:38):
especially as they're walkingthrough, like his early days,
and he catches the car you know,man, that season premiere and
that season finale, like theseries premiere, series finale,
like juxtaposed to each other,like how incredible both ways.
Both are just so phenomenal andthe season and the premiere,
from him revealing his identityto his family to the finale of

(01:36:59):
him revealing his identity tothe world.
Man, it's perfect.
They it really feels like theythought it out.
It sounds like a stupid thingto say, but the show was so well
put together from start tofinish and, like I said, they
pulled from the best parts ofthe lore and they twisted it in
their own way, making John HenryIron just a character in the

(01:37:24):
show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Yeah, not just like a conduit for something, like he
was an actual person, like allyour twists and turns and
reveals, and I mean you know youswitch actors of a main
character of the show and it'sseamless in the way that you do
it.
Like, again, all the comicbook-y stuff still works, all
the family drama stuff stillworks, like man what a way to
tell yourself, like even budgetlimitations and I know we talked

(01:37:47):
about it with like stargirl andstuff, it doesn't matter.
It does not matter if yourcharacter is at your core and
you do them justice and justiceis done.
And then some in this show yeah, agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Um, that's gonna do it for us this week.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Shout out again just tyler hecklund, just five stars
five stars superman and I know Ican't wait to see what David
Cornswath does with thisSuperman character, because
again we talk, feel like thatfeels like Superman, like
there's a feeling that I'mgetting from this that I haven't
.
Like it's the same butdifferent feel that I had when I
watched the Batman.
I was just like there'ssomething about you that's just.

(01:38:24):
I know this is going to beincredible.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Yeah, but yeah, let's get out of here.
You can follow us on Twitter atProjectsNF underscore pod.
You can follow us on Facebook.
You can follow us on InstagramAt the Project Infinite pod.
You can follow us on YouTubeand TikTok at Project Infinite
podcast.
Next week, I don't know, maybewe'll do like a 2025 thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
I think that's that's well, in order to do a 2025
preview, yeah especially.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
I mean we got so much stuff coming up.
Lord we, captain america 4 iscoming out, daredevil is coming
out, fantastic four, superman,the thunderbolt, and that's just
marvel in dc?

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
yeah, just more.
I mean we're getting we'regetting more john wick, we're
getting more jurassic park likewe're getting so many different.
We're getting more John Wick,we're getting more Jurassic Park
.
We're getting Stranger Thingsback you want to talk about.
2025 is properly loaded withthings, so we have a year ahead
of us so we'll do some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
We'll do some 2025 preview stuff for sure.
So from me, careful man,careful man careful man stuff
for sure.
So for me, from the Careful man, careful man, careful man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
This is actually the one week I'd be okay, because
he's a stand-up guy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
I do kind of want to use it.
Do it.
John Henry Irons of the podcastyes, you're not that man of
steel, I am.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I said whoa Whoa.
You're not that man of steel Iam.
I said whoa Whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Wait a minute.
What a man.
All-timer, that's an all-timerreveal.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
That was insane.
The camera comes whippingthrough.
I said wait a minute, you'resteel from the death of Superman
in Fallout.
Insane, they got us, they didget us.
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Yeah, they got us, they did get us.
That was crazy, um, yeah, sowe'll see you next week, we'll
do, uh, do some 2025 previewstuff.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Um, until then, goodbye, peace, truth, just oh,
I was just gonna say it, I wasgonna do it.
I had a better tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I should have committed.
We're out of here, sayonaraadios.

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