143 - Superhero Showdown 2025: Superman vs The Fantastic Four and Forecasting This Year in Movies - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Infinite Podcast with Rob and Korka Q.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of
the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom for movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We got you covered.
I'm rob.
I'm here, as always, with courtand courts.
We are here this week to talkabout this.
This year, this year coming up,this year, that we're in, this
year, that just started, um, andit's never too early to talk

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about the things that we areexcited for and looking forward
to.
So that's what we're going todo this year, kind of like what
we talked about last week.
This year is pretty loaded.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
This year is really loaded with fandom content.
I think 2023, notoriously forfilm as a whole, was huge.
That landscape for the Oscarswas.
You know that was a memorableone In modern history.
That was one that was anall-timer.
So this year specifically Imean just shooting down the list
we were kind of compilingthings of what's coming out this

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year, the franchise stuff andthings.
There is a boatload for thisyear, so we're going to be
eating good and evennon-franchise stuff, what I'm
excited for.
On the film side, you have alot of bigger name directors are
coming out with stuff this yearand seems really dedicated to
what they're coming out with andwhat they're doing.
And then on the television side, there's some heavy hitters

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ready to go this year too.
So a lot of recurring seasonscoming back as well too, a lot
of final seasons that we'regoing to go into as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so it're going to go into as well, yeah, yeah,
so it's going to be an excitingyear.
Hopefully, hopefully, all thesethings kind of, you know, live
up to the expectations or theexcitement um.
But first we do have a littlebit of news.
Not not a ton of news, um, butI guess we could just start with
marvel rivals.
Um, just an absolute firestorm.
Um, since you know, since itlaunched um a little over a

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month ago, um, with season zero,which I guess you could, I
guess you could consider it likea beta season, um, a little bit
shorter than the standardseasons that are going to be
upcoming.
Um, it took, took the took thegaming world by storm.
I've been playing a ton of it.
Um, youically, I've kind ofretired from the shooter genre,

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but this game is just super fun.
I love what they've done overthere at NetEase Games.
They have really, you can tellthey put a lot of care and
attention not just into thecharacters, into the world,
which they didn't have to do.
Obviously, it's a hero shooter,you don't need to really bog
things down with lore, but they,they really have.
I mean, I spent, I spent anembarrassing amount of time um,

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in like the hero profiles andlike there's like paragraphs of
war for like each character and,like you know, the story behind
the game is really, really,really interesting.
Um, and it's just been greatleading up to the trailer that
released for season one ofMarvel Rivals, which is going to
include the Fantastic Four.

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So all four members of theFantastic Four will be coming
this season, starting with ReedRichards and Sue Storm.
Coming out tomorrow at thelaunch of the season and then at
the halfway point of the seasonis when you'll get the thing
and Human Torch, bringing thetotal roster to 37 characters.
Pretty much at launch, all free.

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All the characters are unlockedfrom Jump.
The only thing that you wouldpay for is the Battle Pass and
costumes, if you want.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
If you want, that's the biggest thing you said out
of that.
If you want, you want.
That's the biggest thing yousaid out of that.
If you want and you don't haveto, and I think that's a
phenomenal, and I mean we talkedabout it with the difference
between a game like the avengersand obviously the.
The play style of game isdifferent, but guardians of the
galaxy, it's the difference.
And I mean, if you want to takethe avengers versus this, it's
right in the, the proof's rightin the pudding.
I mean, you don't have to payfor anything if you don't choose

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to.
There's no buffs, there's noupgrades.
Like you can just play thisgame and have fun, like you can
just hop on, you know, have fun,see all these characters get a
whole bunch of character designs.
If you want to get upgrades tothe character designs, you can,
but it's just the cast ofcharacters you have in there too
.
And to start with the fantasticfour is such a swing, it's such
an immediate swing, um, tostart a season one and it just

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looks fun, it looks innovative,um, and it's just the shell
shock and storm of this, of thisgame just coming out, of
everybody talking about thisgame.
I mean I'll be walking bypeople that'd be like did you
play marvel rivals?
Like that's where it's at rightnow.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's insane yeah, and it's, it's really you know,
it's shows sometimes how simplethe formula is like you go back
to you know we've talked aboutMarvel's Avengers a few times,
you know, over the last coupleyears and just not handled well.
I mean, you had charactersobviously locked behind.
Yeah, paywalls Like paywalls.
You know you could pay for likelittle, like upgrades, and the

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game just wasn't fun, like thegameplay loop just was not fun
at the end of the day.
We talked, you know, we talkedat length about how interesting
the story was.
The story was probably the mostinteresting part, kamala khan
was probably the mostinteresting part, and then
you're done within a few hoursyeah, and then it's just, you're
fighting taskmaster a hundredtimes or you're fighting a giant
robot a hundred times, um, thegameplay loop just wasn't fun,

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whereas, like marvel rivals um,obviously it's two different
genres but at the same time,like it's, you want they and not
so much, I guess they doincentivize in a way.
Like they do incentivize, justlike one more game, one more
match, right, you know, you justkeep going.
Um, you know, I think the quick, I think quick play is kind of
like where, where I've landed,like competitiveitive play, just

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not for me, but I think that'sfine.
I think it's good that there'ssuch a variety of game modes.
It's just fun picking up a newcharacter.
That's the cool thing abouthaving so many characters at
launches.
You just pick your favoritecharacter and just try and get
good with them.
At the end of the day, that'sthat's kind of what you want.

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And I think this, I think thisstudio is just, you know, super
impressed, um, with what they'vedone.
And I can't imagine that, youknow, because at the end of the
day, like marvel licenses outall their characters and
everything to these studios forfor reasons, and I can't imagine
, marvel's disappointed themarvel youtube channel is like

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littered with marvel's marvelrivals content.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
There's a reason for that.
Yeah, they know this can be aflagship thing that they can put
top of the page in between.
You know, your movie releasethat comes out next month like
this can be the thing thatpeople think about that more
associated association withmarvel.
It can be Marvel rivals for alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, and to your point about the roster too, they
took some pretty big swingswith who they included.
I think of characters likeMagic, I think of Cloak and
Dagger, I think of Iron Fistusing the Lin-Lay version of
Iron Fist, jeff Jeff, Jeff theLandshark, patty Parker, who

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really hasn't garnered a ton ofpopularity outside of the
Spider-Verse movies.
So I think including PennyParker was great and you know it
just opens the door for and nowbringing the Fantastic Four,
like it just opens.
It was my favorite thing alsoabout Midnight Suns.
Midnight Suns also had this too, like including kind of like
characters that typically don'tget a ton of play in the
mainstream.
You know, I think of, like nicominoru was in midnight sun's
blade.

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Um, who I think will eventuallymake his way into marvel rivals,
um, especially, you know,season one being dracula.
Um, as like the villain.
So I'm curious, I'm curious.
I guess the one thing I'mcurious about um are these
overarching villains.
Um, obviously doom, you know,was kind of prevalent, like he's
kind of like prevalent dracula.
Um, noel has been mentioned,like in the lore specifically.

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So I'm curious if they're goingto add like a player versus
computer element and add thesebig, big bad characters as, like
you know, ai super bosses that,like you can team up with other
players to like fight right.
Um, I do think there's probablygoing to be an element of that.
You know, when you talk aboutdracula, doom, null, like, these
characters are like looming inthe like the lore, so I'm

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curious how they're going to beincorporated.
Um, you know later on, but sofar, yeah, I'm just super
impressed, super excited to diveinto season one um and get my
hands on the fantastic four.
Um, they already showed off umthe skins um for fantastic four,
for reed and sue.
They're gonna do their evilversions.

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Um, so reed richards is gettinga maker skin.
That's and that's so sick,invisible woman is getting a
malice skin?
Um, and then that's the otherthing too is, like you know,
they put a lot of attention intolike just giving people what
they want, which a lot of youknow, these developers who do
these what's the word I'mlooking for?

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You know these ongoing games.
Basically, a lot of the times,the developers either don't give
people what they're asking foror they give it what they're
asking for and they put itbehind like an absurd paint wall
.
Yeah, yeah, so like, like it'scool that, like they're like,
hey, here's the maker.
Like, yeah, you want to spend10 bucks and get the skin and
the animations for it.
Like good, like that should bejust available to people.

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I think it's.
I think it's great.
Um, it's, it's, it's the lessonthat everyone was failing to
learn from fortnite, for somereason.
Um, because this is howfortnite is going on, as long as
it has, like, the game mode isthere, everything is there for
you.
You don't have to pay foranything game related.
We'll do a collaboration withfreaking halo.

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If you want a master chief skin, like go ahead and buy it, but
like you're not missing out onanything like otherwise, right,
um, super cool, super excited tosee where that game goes in the
future.
Um, speaking of games, sony hada kind of presentation of sorts
over the weekend.
Um, and they, they dropped some, drop some stuff on us, um,

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which a lot of it was not evengame related.
It was like we're adapting ourgames into different things.
First and foremost, ghost ofTsushima.
Obviously has the live-actionmovie directed by Chaz Sahelsky
coming, but also a Ghost ofTsushima anime yeah, that was
sick Coming out spearheaded bythe team that directed and

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created the episode of Star WarsVisions, the Duel.
And yeah, I think that's agreat avenue, for Ghost of
Tsushima is an anime-style thing.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
What it does is.
It also litigates your sort ofmore spiritual and your kind of
more fantastical elements.
That was in the first Ghost ofTsushima as well.
So if you want to dip into theLegends lore, you can dip into
it a little bit more, which Jinkind of.
He kind of goes through it likeanytime he gets, like you know,
a new upgrade, things like that.

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You can do that in an anime andI don't think anybody would bat
an eye.
It's going to be tougher to dothat in live action.
You've got to kind of sticksuper close to of the first game
if you're going to do that.
But in anime you can go ascrazy as you want.
I'm looking forward to that.
I just think it's the animationstyle for anime.
It's going to go insane.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you're spot on too.
I think they are going to diveinto the more fantastical
elements of the show, whichwould be, I think, that's pretty
great.
And then, obviously, the movieis going to be stellar.
Um, but what Chad Skowalski isis capable of, and obviously

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with John Wick, we've seen, youknow how he how he rolls, which
we're going to talk about later,actually, yeah.
Yeah, um, other things theyannounced.
So they announced a movieadaptation of Horizon Zero Dawn.
This is in kind of conjunctionwith the Netflix series that
will be also coming.

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Columbia Pictures will be doingit.
Columbia Pictures also did theUncharted movie.
I'm imagining this is justgoing to be a straight
adaptation of the game ofhorizon zero dawn.
Um, which you know I've talkedabout before.
Is is an incredible game.
Um, you know, this is the typeof thing, though, that you have

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to make it look good.
Yeah, um, being apost-apocalyptic set in the
future.
Um, you know, you just have to.
You have to get the look right.
You can't have the machineslooking cheesy, oh Lord yeah.
Yeah, so I'm excited.
I think it's going to be cool.
I think the lore of that gameand the world of that game is

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super interesting.
The game's both sold reallywell and that's that's also
pretty great um for horizon.
And then the surprise one, Ithink, is hell divers getting a
live action movie.
Um, this is the one I'mprobably least, you know, least
excited for, most skeptical ofum.

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Hell divers is really filledkind of like a niche.
Um, you know, late last year oryeah, late last year, kind of
like caught fire a little bitand I don't know, I don't know
how this world works as a movie.
It kind of makes me think ofwhat would they do if they made

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a Call of Duty movie, the sametype of deal.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
You're probably going to have to.
This isn't going to sounddirectly correlated, but you're
probably going to have to.
This isn't going to sounddirectly correlated, but you're
probably going to have to take amortal.
This is the way you do theMortal Kombat approach.
It's funny that we were talkingabout it before we hopped on.
You have to get a centralcharacter.
Obviously, you're going to makea movie.
You've got to get a centralcharacter.
This is the time where you geta charismatic actor too, to time

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where you get a charismaticactor too to lead this.
Sure, but I don't know what thelike.
I don't know if this is gonnabe like the bad half of the of
the gaming genre for movies andtv, or I don't know if this is
gonna be the good half.
So I want to know some morepersonnel that's behind the
scenes on this movie and thenI'll start to kind of give an
opinion.
Yeah, right now I'm kind of ata state of indifference yeah, I
think that's where I'm at too.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I'm like all right, you know, I don't know enough
yet I don't know enough, and Ijust you know, you, just you
know.
Obviously everything is likemoney driven right and it's like
how much money are you pumpinginto a hell divers movie, like
how much you, you know?
It makes me think of likeclassic executives out of touch
you know, type.
That's what this feels like tome.

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You know we talked last weekabout how the one you know, one
of the higher ups at sony, waslike shocked that the sony
spider-man universe didn't workout.
They're like we think thesemovies are actually really good,
like no, they're not.
Like if that's, if that's yourthought process, then like
you're doomed.
Like if you think what you'repumping out is like good, then
like you're doomed.
Don't be tone deaf, right?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
yeah, that's what I'm thinking, like, I feel like
good then like you're doomed.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, don't be tone deaf, right, yeah, and that's
what I'm thinking Like.
I feel like a Sony executivelooked at like kind of like the
firestorm that Helldivers 2caught late last year and were
like let's just make a movie andlike slow your roll, like the

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movie caught on, or whatevertheir Super Earth is called and
all that stuff, but at the endof the day it's just a shooter
with no meat and bones Again.
I made the joke I was playingAstro Bot again because they did
the new levels and the new botsthey had with our Helldivers
characters.
I'm like, ah, it's my favoritecharacter, john Helldivers.
I don't know, man, how am Igoing to care?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
about a Helldivers movie.
Right, you put Chris Pratt init.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Eh, but the thing that I do care about that they
showed off here was the officialtrailer for Last of Us, season
2.
We got a release date of Apriland, yeah, um, you know, I think
I think they're going to do anice job with um Abby, just

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based off the trailer.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean, would you?
There's your fears, there'syour, there's your consummate
fears.
And then this season is thedefinition of those who know and
those who don't know.
That's what a big part of thisis going to be, because you know
, obviously you're going to findyour criticisms online, of you
know of of the season, of thecontent of the season of bella
ramsey, sadly, because of andit's unfortunate, because I

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don't care if she's older, ellie, younger ellie, she's
phenomenal either way.
Um, what I think you run intothe season is you know when,
like, there's certain thingsthat are going to happen,
there's a big that happens andit's do you attack it?
I mean, we kind of gave ourtheories on how we think we're
going to go.
I can't remember what yours was, I know mine was.

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I think they're going to tellthis story nonlinearly and
they're going to kind of jumpback and forth and then they're
going to get to the point at theend of the season, the big
thing.
But you're not gonna knowwhat's happening between the
both of those sides for it too.
And also, I don't know why wekeep doubting craig mazen, like
I don't know why.
That's a thing that alwaysconsistently didn't neil
druckman and craig mazen.

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I don't know why we we keepdoing it like we keep being, we
keep saying these and I'm like,do you not know who?
But both their bodies of worksare like I think we're just
gonna to be a-okay.
So I mean, it visually looksphenomenal.
I mean this is some absolutenext level.
And you know, it took that jump.
It took that massive jumpbecause you know, once your show

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is good and it's successful,they're going to give you some
more money.
And this is one of HBO's biggestshows now yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, I think you know, my kind of thought process
going into this season was Ithink they're going to do and
this trailer was very Abbyfocused and I think that's going
to be again.
I think that's going to be kindof like the delineation between
how the game presented part twoto us and how the show is going
to part two to us.

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I think they're going to do alot of Abby character work.
I think they're going to spenda lot of time with her, like her
side of the story, abbycharacter work.
I think they're gonna spend alot of time with her, um, like
her side of the story, um,whereas the game, you know, kind
of did it backwards where thebig thing happens and then we
kind of spend a lot of time withellie and then we kind of go
backwards and we do kind ofabby's backstory and I think
that's, you know, for thelegitimate criticisms of the
game, I should say I think youknow I I appreciate and I

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understand what they were doing,doing the story that way, but I
think for a TV audience again,I think you've got to make Abby
a sympathetic, almostquasi-protagonist before you do
the big thing and you kind ofget the audience on her side
before you kind of pull the rugout from under us.
Well, I mean, the trailer waskind of get the audience on her

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side before you kind of pull therug out from under us.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well, I mean, the trailer was kind of structured
that way.
And again, this is like I don'twant to talk about anything,
but for those who know, no, Ithink that was the point of
leading the trailer off of this.
Exactly you know this womanwho's here and that's just.
You know that's suffered tosome extent.
We just don't know what thesuffering is.
If you can really lean on thatand this is what this universe
backs you up for, the universeitself is going to lend to that

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as well.
I mean, you went through henryand sam.
You went with ellie's encounterwith david.
I mean you've seen thesedifferent people.
You went through um, throughbill and frank.
Like this universe does a goodjob of making sure that
everybody feels like they meansomething to this.
Yep, so if you do that, andthen some for abby, you're what,
by the time you get to the, tothe catharsis of season two, it

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should play and, like I, just,people aren't going to be happy
just because of the sourcethey're not going to be happy
like this is and people are notgoing to be happy because it's
two women leading this.
People are not going to be happybecause you know of what
happens.
So you already are fighting anuphill battle but how you can
kind of save it is.
It looks phenomenal.
I mean, you have your subplotsare usually what lead.

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I mean, the first two episodesof season one did a good job of
having those, like you know,those anthology pieces in the
beginning to kind of round out,like if you can rely on that,
but you can still keep thatemotional core, you'll'll be
just fine.
Like people will hate, nomatter what.
That's just what the Last of Us2 and the Last of Us Season 2
is probably going to do.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, and I mean you know we got just a quick glimpse
in the trailer, but I'm veryexcited for the Isaac stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh my gosh, the Seraphite stuff, the Isaac stuff
, the WLF Like I said if theydive into that.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
You know, I said when we, when we finally got the,
the confirmation that JeffreyWright was coming back, um, to
reprise his role as Isaac.
Like I, I don't want it to belike a one-off.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
No, you don't just bring Jeffrey Wright in and just
let him be like it's.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
he's going to be somebody, and and I and that can
really help with the Abby stufftoo, If they kind of build him
up as an antagonistic figure inher story.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
It recontextualizes her father as well too.
It really makes him somebodythat can be like you know,
somebody that was super.
I mean what he does.
It's like super important toIsaac as well too, and, like I
said, I hope for Abby's father.
They get the most I keepthinking about it and the more
like imagine you bring paulrudden for something like that,
yeah, and like he's like a jokeykind of like all dad, like all

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american dad that everybodyloves and all the people they
love, like yeah and then thething like you're gonna be like
no, absolutely not yeah, that'swhat I, that's what I, that's
what I, that's what I think like, that's what I think again to
to build up the sympathy forAbby.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I think you start the season with her, with her
father, they're doing theirbonding and then again, like the
rug gets pulled out and you'relike oh, and then you find out
you're like, oh, and then youjust go from there and I mean
it's going to leave a lot ofpeople who are paying attention,

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It'll leave them conflicted,but I think that's the point.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I've been ranting about this for years now.
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, and you don't get that from the game really
until later.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
And that's what I don't think you're going to get
until Season 3, because that'sthe Santa Barbara stuff we
haven't seen.
That's like the one part fromthe second game we haven't seen,
because I think that's what allof Season 3 is going to be.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm super excited.
April, I mean, we'll talk about, you know.
Obviously we'll talk more aboutthis, you know, during the
course of the episode, becausethe Last of Us is definitely one
of those touchstone shows forthis year.
So, that being said, that'spretty much up for the news this
week.
Um, yeah, 2025 is here.

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Um, it's in full force andwe're just gonna kind of talk
about things that we're lookingforward to, things that we're
excited for.
Um, obviously, you probablyalready know what some of those
things are, because we've justbeen talking about them, you
know, this season, but, um, orthis year, it's another season,
2025, new season of world tv, um, as it were.

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So, yeah, let's just dive rightin.
Um, do you kind of want to justI don't know how you want to do
this you wanted to go likemonth by month.
Do you want to just kind offreestyle a little?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
bit.
Yeah, we can freestyle a littlebit.
I mean we can talk about maybesome non-franchise cause we can
end off with all the franchisestuff.
And I mean like we could justtalk movies for a little bit and
I mean, you know, just rattlingoff a few.
And, like I talked about,there's some big directors
coming out with movies and it'sthe, it's the thought process
that these they're not yourScorseses or your Tarantinos or

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your Nolans, but I'm talkingabout some otherworldly
directors that are ready to saysomething.
I mean Bong Joon-ho with Mickey17,.
That's something that, rightoff the bat you're talking about
this can be a best picturecontender, but also it might be
one of the most fun innovativedark comedy movies of the year.
I'm looking forward to it.
I mean Bong Joon-ho is reallydark comedy movies of the year.

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Like I'm looking forward to it.
I mean bong joon-ho is reallyso plain, like you know, just
planted the you know stake inthe ground, like I am one of the
greatest that's living on theplanet.
And I mean robert pattinson'scareer.
I mean to the point wheresebastian stands, like I want to
model my career after him, likeand I think people are trying
to know and I've been.
I've been, you know, bangingthe drum for years about Robert
Pattinson you have yeah, he isthe one I tried to tell

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everybody.
You want to talk about thecharacter actors.
He's one of the best characteractors on the planet, so I'm
looking forward to this.
He's playing a whole bunch ofdifferent versions of himself.
It's going to be bombastic,it's going to be insane, it's
going to be really raunchy it'sall the things you want.
It's.
It's gonna be like reallyraunchy.
It's gonna it's all the thingsyou want.
It's gonna be large scale,which I appreciate.

(24:15):
The budget for that movie lookslike they definitely gave him
some money, and why wouldn't you?
I mean, he had one of the bestmovies of all time in 2019 with
Parasite.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You want to give the guy some money to play, so yeah,
and I think you know we talkedabout it when we talked about
you know, this movie, um, but itgot announced, um, this is kind
of like the for a director.
I think this is kind of like thetrajectory you want following
an oscar, in the sense that,like the oscar he obviously
earned the oscar, of course, forfor parasite, but like the

(24:44):
oscar also kind of made him thishousehold name, um, I think
that's one of the great thingsthat the oscars can do.
When one of these, you know not, you know it's not a big
parasite, it's not like a bigblockbuster film, right, so it
won the Oscar for best picture,I think that got a lot of people
who never saw it to see it andkind of made him this kind of

(25:04):
household name, which is reallycool for him, you know, not
being an American directoreither and to get Robert
Pattinson and Steven Yeun forhis next movie.
I think it's pointing thetrajectory upward for Bong
Joon-ho, which I think is reallycool, and I'm looking forward,
definitely, definitely lookingforward to that coming up in

(25:25):
March, I believe.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
If you want to transition to another director
kind of going along that trainit's Ryan Coogler with Sinners.
I mean you want to talk about.
A trailer comes out.
They're using the imax cameras.
They're shooting it on film, ifI know.
I don't think they're shootingit on film but, I mean, they got
that filmic.
Look, that classic.
Look to it as well too.
And I mean ryan coogler's in a.
He's in a fun place in hiscareer right now, because ryan

(25:47):
coogler is just 40, or he's not40 yet, or he's not 40 yet, or
he's just 40.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Not even yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
He's like 38.
And you see, all these actorsand directors, like I mean he
had Ryan Coogler has his podcastand Jordan Peele's on there and
I mean you know everybody'sreverence for Jordan Peele these
days and you know to see allthese actors and Denzel
Washington publicly say it, andAngela Bassett say it, and
Jordan Peele, like everybodythere, they know, like they know

(26:13):
how good he is and how good hewill be by the end of his career
, like the I'm talking anabsolute all time run that Ryan
Coogler will have.
And you know what Ryan Cooglerhas.
He has like trust.
He has the trust of so manypeople and why shouldn't he?
Why shouldn't he?
I mean he stepped.
I watched Black Panther theother day too, and you know
you're stepping in and it wasthe jump because he had Rachel
Morrison, too, on his podcast aswell, which was awesome,

(26:35):
because you know they go fromFruitvale to Creed to Black
Panther.
You want to talk about threemassive steps upon a massive
step.
It's insane.
So I mean Sinners, I mean itlooks, I mean it visually looks
phenomenal, but I mean the storycould be absolutely insane.
I mean I think he definitelypulled a few elements and you
know a few things from JordanPeele as well, too, in terms of

(26:57):
dipping into the horror genre,which he's never done before too
.
But I mean that movie haspotential.
I think it's going to be one ofthose like it's not going to be
a cult classic, because cultclassic doesn't necessarily mean
a good movie but it's going tobe the step above that where
it's going to be a movie.
When it comes out, I thinkeverybody's going to go see it,
everybody's going to go talkabout it.
It's going to make money, whichis awesome, and it's an
original idea.
That's my favorite thing aboutit.

(27:18):
Hopefully, by the beginning ofnext year, that's going to be in
the breath for best originalscreenplay as well, too, so I
have high hopes for it.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, and he.
When he and Michael B Jordanteam up, he always seems to get
the best out of.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Michael B Jordan and, like I said, my point for
Michael B Jordan I always makeis Michael B Jordan gets his
acting chops in his physicality.
That's the best part of MichaelB Jordan is the way he can
physically move through a spaceor command a space or command
attention.
You want to get into thespecifics and the definitions of
acting, go ahead, butphysical-wise, that's where

(27:53):
Michael b jordan really makes astate claim.
So, yeah, I'm really, I'mreally looking forward to this.
I mean, delroy lindo in thismovie, hayley steinfeld like
this cast is also insane.
So, you know, I I just Iremember when that first trailer
came out and I was like, oh,there's something spent.
Like this is this might besomething absolutely special.
Like this might be special.
Yeah, um, going down thedirector list.
Um, edgar Wright's back withthe running man, with Glenn

(28:16):
Powell.
So it's a great piece, like toput Glenn Powell in this world
where, like Edgar Wrighthopefully and I hope in the in
the 2020s and you know beyondlike Edgar Wright gets right
back Cause Edgar Wright.
Also, it sucked because EdgarWright made Baby Driver, which
is one of my favorite movies,but then everybody in the movie
seemed to not be the greatestpeople, so it has a little bit

(28:38):
of a niche around it, but I'm soglad he's back.
I'm glad he's back with GlennPowell.
Glenn Powell's versatility isreally something to be like,
because I was thinking about ityou can put Glenn Powell in an
Oscar-leading movie or you canput Glennenn powell in the
funniest like comedy and hestill plays.
Either way.
He's good.
He's good all across the board.
So really, looking forward tothat, and I mean just a few more
on the non-franchise side, um,marty supreme.

(29:01):
So timothy chalamet likesomebody made a good point the
other day too, of like timothychalamet's career structure
before turning 30.
Like this is your body of work,but it's insane.
Like you are this generation'sleo.
Like yeah, you have your bigfranchise, you have, you have
your big franchise.
You have your indie movies.
You have your oscar nominations.
You have your biopics, like youwant to talk about.

(29:22):
Like you have wanka, you havewanka.
Like you have your musical.
Like funny enough, you haveyour musical.
Like you talk about a structurefor a career.
Like some people would die tohave that career for their whole
life.
He has that before he's 30years old.
So, uh, you know he's going toget an Oscar in his lifetime.
Like there's no shot.
He doesn't get an Oscar in hislifetime.

(29:42):
I hope that part of Leo doesn'tstick true for him, that he has
to wait until his late fortiesto get an Oscar.
But you know, it's absolutelyphenomenal, and I mean just
getting the Safdies backtogether for this as well too,
is amazing, and A24 produced,which is awesome.
So last two I want to talkabout is, 28 Years Later coming
back as well too.

(30:02):
That just it's going to beamazing, like I think again
that's going to be when peoplestep into the theaters and
they're like we're so back, likethat's going to be one of the
biggest we're still back momentsfor this year as well too.
So I'm really looking forwardto that.
And my last one I want to talkabout is actually F1, just
because to get Joseph Kaczynskiback, get Brad Pitt and get to

(30:27):
get Brad Pitt back as well too.
It's going to.
You know, your fear is the onetrick pony, and the story of top
gun is so simple and soeffective, so to kind of pivot.
But you know that's what,that's what life is, that's what
directing is.
You have to move on.
You have to move on, becomeinnovative, but take, take what
you know and take what you learntoo.
So I'm I I remember that firstmention of the next thing, that

(30:48):
joe kaczynski was going to do.
It it's all practical.
You know, desmond Idris is inthis movie as well too, and just
the guy that oozes charismawith every step he takes as well
too, like we could seepotentially again something
that's super special, and youknow, a bunch of these are
coming out in the summer as well, too.
So that's why I said thissummer is loaded.
This summer is absolutelyloaded with content.

(31:09):
So yeah.
Um, and then to the franchisefilms.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, um, I mean we can just start with the
captain America.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I am afraid.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Um, yeah, I mean, I don't, I still don't know, and
that's kind of scary for a montha movie that comes out in four
weeks, my, the I mean my, my amovie that comes out in four
weeks.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
My, the, I mean my, my biggest fear is that this
movie was ripped to shreds, likeabsolutely ripped to shreds.
I have there's three fears Ihave One is that that they, they
took this movie and they put itinto an absolute blender and I
know there was real world, youknow real world implications
that did it to the movie as welltoo.
Obviously, the well too.

(31:54):
Um, obviously, the reshootsalso had the balloon, this as
well too.
So this budget is insane and II talk about that all the time
that like the I don't know why Iwas last or from 2023, but the
big eye opener for me wasindiana jones, like that movie
costing that much.
And then, yeah, dune coming outsubsequently later and that and
dune costing 190 versus 330,and like you look at the two and
you're like there's no shot,like there's no shot, these
movies.
But I'm, I'm vehemently afraidfor the plot of this movie, like

(32:18):
this plot can be, like I'mtalking as brittle, as a cracker
, like this plot could breakeasily.
Yeah, um, that was.
Number two is like plot wise,story wise, narrative wise.
Like I don't know what this islike.
I genuinely do not know how,and I thought about you, about
you know what I thought about.
I thought about Ant-ManQuantumania, because I remember
we had like a general idea butwe still didn't know the details

(32:40):
, and then, like when you'rewatching it, you're like this
means nothing to anything.
Like this and ultimately itreally didn't mean anything,
because I mean obviously outsidecircumstances, but like Kang
just is gone, but like even ifyou, you know, re replace him
into the universe like that Kangdidn't mean anything, that Kang
just was killed, so it didn'tmatter.
So, um, and then three, is theAnthony Mackie in the room.

(33:03):
Like I, my biggest fear,truthfully, is like that.
They looked at this and theywere like, well, we need to do
this and throw this in there anddo this.
And now we have Harrison Fordand, you know, maybe Mark
Ruffalo comes back, or when wegot the lead, and I'm like, wait
a minute, isn't this an AnthonyMackie Captain America movie?
Shouldn't you keep it at anAnthony Mackie Captain America
movie?
Because I think the whole sellof like hey, let's do the, let's

(33:25):
do the espionage thriller ofCaptain America 2.
That America 2, that's gone.
I think it's, that's gone.
I don't believe that for onesecond.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, no, me either.
And I think you know one of thethings that kind of perked my
ears up was you know, I think itwas the first trailer where I
think I said it when the trailercame out like we shouldn't
still be litigating the he's NotSteve Rogers plot point,
because Falcon and the WinterSoldier did that exactly like he

(33:53):
should have.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
We should just be past that and it should just be
he's captain america now andhe's doing captain america
things and then you also add theplot thread in the trailer to
be like I want you to be captainamerica, and then you go right
back on that statement in thesame trailer.
That doesn't make any sense.
You already did that heavylifting and help falcon, and
that's heavy lifting to do.
You already dealt with it.
Why are we still worried aboutthis?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
yeah, we shouldn't, we shouldn't still be litigating
that right.
Um, you know, and I think, Imean I do think there are some
interesting elements in thismovie I just I just I'm just
worried about how they're allgonna tie together yeah, I think
ultimately right and this moviedoes it.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Visually does not look great and I'm very
concerned about that.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, I mean there's a disparity.
I think some of it looks reallyreally cool yeah, yeah.
I think a lot of the flyingstuff looks really cool.
Yeah, yeah, it could be good,but yeah, I mean that big.
I think the thing that I'mfocused on is that big cherry
blossom fight sequence.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Because which one's the third act of the movie.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Is it them going to team it or is it that, like I,
mean I hope it's not that,because then they're, they,
they're giving away a lot, butthe and then you know, I'm just
I mean, I just I'm just curious.
I'm curious if they have beenable to withhold a lot of third
act stuff.
Like I do wonder if this islike you know, they put Red Hulk

(35:14):
and Captain America againsteach other and then you find out
like it's actually the leaderis like kind of I'm assuming
that's probably what it's goingto be, which would be neat if
that Red Hulk stuff is likefirst, second act stuff and then
they've been withholding thereal villain for the end of the
movie.
I think that could kind of saveit a little bit, um, and I mean,

(35:37):
we'll see, right, we'll seewhat happens, um.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
But yeah, I'm like you, I'm kind of um a little
nervous you know what I'm notnervous for from the marvel side
on movies this year it's thethunderbolts.
Yes, I am not nervous for that,and I mean it's even going
further, because even SebastianSand said a few days ago like we
did most of this as practicalas we can get it, and you can
just see it.
That trailer's graded.
That trailer looks real, I care.

(36:01):
I somehow now care aboutcharacters I never thought I'd
even see again in some of thesemovies as well too.
So that's just a perfectexample of like and it's
something that I said and I'mgoing to talk about it too when
we get to fantastic four,because we still don't know a
lot about that, but we stillknow a decent amount to kind of
gauge you, you're making filmsstill.
At the end of the day, you'restill making films.

(36:22):
And like I look at captainamerica and I look at the
thunderbolts and I'm like one ofthese is a film and the other
one is like a machine thing tobe put out yeah, well, this is
it right, this is.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
This is when marvel is humming on all cylinders.
This is, this is the type ofmovie that they can pump out
right, or you know, based on howit looks, it feels very phase
one, phase two ish and like thebest parts of phase one, phase
two yeah, it's the, it's the.
It's the perfect kind of mixtureof of why this universe has

(36:51):
endured as long as it has.
Like it's very, it feelsobvious.
It's.
It feels like kind of likeguardians of the galaxy on
steroids, in the sense that likeguardians of the galaxy was
this ensemble of characters thatwe did not know, and then,
conversely, thunderbolts isgoing to be an ensemble of
characters we do know and theyjust kind of plucked.
You know one here, one here onehere and like you know, kind of

(37:14):
like, kind of like the idealmarvel movie, like let's just
take all these characters, pluckthem from wherever we found
them right in the marvelcinematic universe and smash
them together and see whathappens.
And, most importantly, you knowone, what I love about this
movie so far is they were ableto centralize it around one
character, which is what youneed in an ensemble movie like

(37:36):
this.
You need a point of viewcharacter and in this case, it's
going to be Yelena Belova whichis perfect.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Give me Florence Pugh that just knows how to command
any movie that she's in Likethat's the perfect one to shoot
Cause you could have went Bucky,you could have went John Walker
if you wanted to, you couldhave went Alexi, but it's the
best choice by far.
Best choice by far.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yep, it's her movie and all these other kind of
supporting characters.
I'm excited to see what they dowith Lewis Pullman.
Yeah, I think that's good stuffit's got this 2000s grunge to
it too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
A century, I think that's good stuff.
It's got like this 2000s grungeto it too, yeah, but like
that's direction, like I feeldefinitive direction out of this
movie that I don't feel out ofCaptain America, and I mean you
want to go definitive directionto the last Marvel movie release
of this year.
And I mean, from what we'veseen from the leaked Comic-Con
trailers, from the castinterviews, from what this movie
could be about, from theinspiration for this movie, like

(38:33):
this is the most non-feelingmarvel movie and I think that's
the most on purpose and I thinkI think something special is
afoot in july.
I think we have somethingspecial on our hands.
I mean, this cast is he'stalking about fantastic four by
the way about fantastic four.
I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the minecraftmovie.
I'm talking about fantasticfour first steps.
And I mean I think shackman istaking everything he learned

(38:57):
from wandavision and he's juston steroids.
And I remember when the firstreport came out, that they were
testing the film cameras and Isaid they were testing the
panavision cameras.
I said wait what?
I said, wait a minute.
And then that leaked trailercame out and I said oh, they,
they might, they might get it.
Like it prompted me to go, causeI have the, I have the omnibus
of the first, the firstfantastic four comics, and I was

(39:19):
like I like immediately want topick it up.
And I was like that's such agood feeling from watching
something.
You're like I need to feel thatsame feel.
So I mean, pedro Pascal is ReedRichards is just an inspired
choice.
It was the best way weexplained it.
We were just like they probablywere like we couldn't get Pedro
Pascal Right and they were like,wait, could we get Pedro Pascal

(39:40):
?
And they were like wait, let'sjust get Pedro Pascal.
Like get the guy that's themost famous guy on the planet as
an actor to be, you know, theperson that's going to be one of
the pillars of the new half ofyour universe.
Vanessa Kirby is also aninspired choice for Sue Joseph
Quinn like you want to talkabout, like catching lightning
in a bottle for Stranger ThingsLike you just got to capture,

(40:02):
and he's a versatile actor.
I don't think that's whatpeople realize.
Like they pigeonhole him forbeing what's his name in
Stranger Things Eddie Eddie inStranger Things, eddie Eddie in
Stranger Things and then it'slike he can't do anything else.
I was like you guys loved himmore than anything when that
show was coming out.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, and you know, to his credit he is between
Stranger Things and this.
He's put together a pair ofreally good performances in A
Quiet Place, day One andGladiator.
Two very different performancesbut two very good performances.

(40:36):
Um, so I think I think peoplewere concerned when he got cast,
but now that they've seen himsince and subsequent things,
they're a little more okay and Iwas me, I was, I was very
concerned when he was cast.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
But then, and it was the same thing, because my
biggest two question marks werethat and, funny enough, it was
pedro pascal or my first twoquestion marks, and then they
had that.
First it was when he was cast,but then, and it was the same
thing, because my biggest twoquestion marks were that and,
funny enough, it was pedropascal or my first two question
marks, and then they had that.
First it was when he waswalking the corner in that
leaked trailer and he goes likefamily dinner every sunday, when
I was like, oh, yeah, that's.
I was like I was like, yeah,and he was just like, who wants
to see?
Who wants to see a bigexplosion?
I was like, yeah, that they,they did it.
Um, and then obviously, the oneI, funnily enough, was most

(41:11):
excited for out of the castings,it's Evan Moss.
Bachrock is, as the thing, likejust a genius stroke of casting.
Yeah, like that might be one ofthe best castings in the MCU to
date.
That.
And Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm,like you're talking about
phenomenal but Fantastic, it'sbeen saying again.
And then also Ralph Ineson yes,it's just, but again, great

(41:35):
movies have feel to them andgreat movies make you feel
something Like the preliminaryneeds to be.
There's a feel, there's adefinitive feel, like they have
that Apollo 18, thatretrofuturism, that 60s inspired
, like it's all working in favorand when that first trailer
comes out.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Super Bowl Sunday.
Super Bowl Sunday Probably infavor, and when that first
trailer comes out.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Super Bowl Sunday probably.
So we're about a month out fromthat trailer, a little over
under a month.
I can't remember what day theSuper Bowl is on, but that first
trailer is going to.
That's going to be the big one.
It's going to be the big onefrom the Super Bowl and if
they're able to pull offGalactus in a.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I think the best MCU comp for the visuals of Galactus
is how they present an airshipin the.
Eternals when he shows up atthe end of Eternals and you're
like whoa, that looks like areal giant being dwarfing the
Earth, mm-hmm, like, if they'reable to present Galactus in like

(42:36):
a similar fashion, it could bea spectacle Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
And he's going to mean something to us as well too
, when you're like whoa, andthen Ralph Innocent's voice
behind that as well too.
Yes, Phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah and and it's yeah, I like just that.
I wonder.
I do wonder if, like in thetrailer, they're going to just
show Galactus and be like thisis, this is what this movie is
look like.
Looks like like scale andspectacle wise and you're just
going to be like I can't like.
The trailer should make youwant, in the same way of, like

(43:08):
you know, similar, like almostlike Godzilla, in a way like
like a Godzilla movie, godzillamovie or even an Oppenheimer
movie, where you need to bemotivated to see it in a theater
.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's the anticipation of the bang, it's the
anticipation of Galactus, if yousee.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Galactus, you're watching the Super Bowl at home
and you're like Galactus, I haveto see this on the biggest
screen possible.
I think that's the type offeeling you want to try and
capture.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
In accompaniment to that point too.
Like this movie feels very likein the thunderbolts way, but
different, like just from theleak stuff.
Like I know they obviouslydidn't add a lot of cgi and even
matt shackman said like wedidn't do a bunch of that stuff
yet, like we just were doingkind of feel vibe.
Like from that perspective,like it looks very good, like it
looks very good, like thatfound footage almost too, and
like I know the rumors thatperspective, like it looks very
good, like it looks very good,like that found footage almost

(43:56):
too, and like I know the rumorsthat are that, like you know,
franklin and Valeria are goingto be parts of these, of this
movie as well too.
Like I've heard the rumors thatlike it's going to be like a
found footage of, like you know,their first, you know when they
got changed, like the day theygot changed, like all those
things leading up to it as welltoo.
But like visually this moviejust looks good.
It looks, it looks very andobviously we're watching this on

(44:16):
somebody's phone and yeah andhall h but um, from what we've
seen it looks good and I mean,uh, just a rapid fire couple
before we finish off thefranchise, because obviously we
know what we're going to finishoff the franchise.
Part of the movies for umkarate kid legends had no
business looking that visuallygood.
Yeah, we talked about that lastI was so intrigued in that, like
I'm gonna say somethingcontroversial and mean, but like

(44:38):
watching that and then seeing,uh, ralph macchio and that, I'm
like I love cobra kai, but I'mlike I can just go straight to
legends.
I can go to the all the karatekin movies to the james smith
karate kid right to legends, andI'd be good um Ballerina.
The John Wick extended universecontinues to grow.
Great choice to get Andarmus.
That's absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, she's becoming that kind of actor.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Rumored to be in the next Avengers movie as well, too
Rumored Relax.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Joe Rumored.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
It's a rumor.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Jurassic World Rebirth.
I was just going to sayJurassic World Rebirth.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
With our channel favorite, Gareth Edwards Low.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Budget King.
Low Budget King.
He made this movie with a GoPro, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
He actually traveled to the Jurassic era.
He built his own time machineand got found footage from that.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
He built a dinosaur out of cardboard Yep, and it's
the most realistic dinosauryou've ever seen.
Yep, scarlett's the mostrealistic dinosaur you've ever
seen.
Yep, scarlett Johansson, ohyeah, or.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Harshala Ali Yep.
Is he going to play the samecharacter he played in Alita?
Because that would be hilarious.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to this Jurassic Park
movie or Jurassic World movie,sorry.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Avatar 2.
Or Avatar 3, excuse me, fireand ash that's coming out this
year december of this year.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So he says um yeah, I mean, you know, you know how we
, you know how we both feelabout avatar.
He's gonna cook, he's gonna.
He's literally gonna cook yeah,we're gonna, I'm gonna, and you
know, by the time decemberrolls around and everyone's
gonna say the same thing thatthey said for the last two
movies, like who's watchingthese?
And then it's everybody abillion dollars again yeah, it's

(46:16):
gonna make two billion dollarsand be like see, everybody's
watching when we want to see the.
When we went the opening nightto see it, I was like whoa, this
theater is packed yeah peopleyeah, people love people love,
people love avatar and thesecond one had an incredible
story yeah great performances,yeah, and steven lang's enemy
and then again.
Yeah, as long as steven I'mtelling.
And the second one had anincredible story yeah, great
performances.
Yeah, and Stephen Lang's theenemy in it.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, as long as Stephen, I'm telling you.
Here's what you do, y'all.
If James, if you're listeningand need help to make another $2
million, you team Stephen Langup with you, team Kordich up
with Sully against Natiri, yeah,that'd be sick, that would go
insane.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, they're going to go back to.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Earth.
Yeah, bring the avatars toEarth.
That's the next logical stepwhat's?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
the avatars in Atlanta, georgia.
The fire Navi are in this one.
Yeah, they're red, they're red.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
This movie's going to go insane.
Yes, tron Ares, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Jared Leto.
Jared Leto, I love.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Tron Legacy with a burning passion.
Obviously, you guys know wehave to end on Superman for this
part.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Before we get to Superman.
What else we got?
You got anything else?
Mortal Kombat.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Oh yeah, Mortal Kombat comes out.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Mortal.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Kombat 2.
Snow White comes out.
Yep, people don't like RachelZegler for some reason.
I think she's always phenomenal, in whatever she does.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
She's great in everything.
And there's another actor inthis movie that you can
justifiably not like.
Sure, Sure Kal-El, no Dude,Talk about like all time Bad
fumble.
What happened to this person?
I guess it was like I guess sheshould never act.
No, and just like the firstWonder Woman movie, you were

(47:51):
just like.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Well, because Patty Jenkins was cooking in that
movie and she was masking it,and also Chris Pine was also
helping mask that too.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah, and then Wonder Woman 84 came out and you're
like oh, no, oh wait.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Not even Pedro Pascal can save this movie.
No, she can't act.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
You need to give me the stone.
No, and like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Casting her as the evil queen in snow white just
feels yeah it's tone deaf.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
It's, it's tone deaf.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, it's weird, like she's just not so many
phenomenal actors that you couldhave went with she's just not
now.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
You see me three coming out.
Yeah, I saw that I was sick.
Look, I like the first.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I like the first one, a lot, one is amazing I like
the first one a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
second one's still good.
Second one's pretty good too.
Second one's pretty good.
They got Daniel Radcliffe inthere, which is fun because he's
a magician and he's evil, evilmagician.
He's back for this one, yep.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I think they're going to Frat Superiorist it and just
make him good.
Well, they got everyone backfor this one, which is insane
Because Isla.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Fisher was not in the second one, and now she's back.
I love Jesse Eisenberg'scharacter in these movies as
just a pompous dick, which Ithink is Jesse Eisenberg's bag.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Even though he's like a pleasant guy If you listen to
any interviews he does, he'slike a nice, like he's doing a
lot of writing.
Obviously, he just made a realpain with just getting a lot of
Oscar buzz as well too.
So good on him.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, but he just plays pompous dick very well.
When you think about SocialNetwork, when you think about
you know the first Now you SeeMe movie, I wish retroactively
that's kind of how they wouldhave played him in Batman v
Superman, instead of like wackyzany guy.
Just make him a dickhead.
They made him Elon Musk inBatman vs Superman.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
yeah, just make him a stoic dickhead and that's
exactly what it looks likeNicholas Holt's gonna do yeah,
that's what Jesse Eisenbergshould have done.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Um Wicked is getting a sequel?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
yeah, wicked 2 which is kinda crazy.
Yeah, the turnaround is insane.
That's pretty quick, unlessthey shot back-to-back.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, it's just quick .
I feel like major franchisesdon't do this, where it's one in
2024 and then one literally thenext year.
So that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
If the second Wiccan movie is an assemblance of the
good of the first one, thenthat's an insane run for two
movies that come out in twoyears.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Predator Badlands.
Oh yes, that's right.
Predator's never been so back.
This movie centralizes apredator going to an alien
wasteland.
They've cracked it.
They've cracked it withPredator.
Take a predator, put himanywhere in time and just go Let

(50:37):
him cook.
Predator in a Western imagine.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Predator in the future.
Predator in the future Future.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Predator.
Predator in the Blade Runneruniverse, predator in Samurai
Era, japan.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
That would be insane.
Like just keep doing.
Predator in Wakanda, thePredator in Wakanda, put the
Predator in the Bronx.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Oh no, we're approaching Friday the 13th.
Jason goes to Manhattan levelsof ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Remember when that one guy squared up against him.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
He shot to fade with Jason I got much respect for
that guy.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Much respect, much respect, much respect.
Uh guys put him on thewhiteboard uh mission impossible
yeah, well, that was the bigone that I wanted to hit on too
yeah, mission impossible comesout this year, oh my god um the
final reckoning he's just gonnagive it to glenn powell after it
, right?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
yeah, probably miles teller.
Yeah, I was just about to sayit to Glenn Powell after it.
Right, yeah, probably MilesTaylor somewhere.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, I was just about to say Miles Taylor
somewhere, just punching air.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
And then yeah, I mean Superman.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I don't even have much to say.
I think we've said everythingwe need to say.
I mean this movie.
You know what.
I will say this I thinkSuperman I will bold state claim
it is the most important movierelease of 2025.
That is the single mostimportant movie of 2025.
And I'm not even talking no, Iget what you're saying.
I'm not even talking on like asuperhero level, a franchise

(52:05):
level.
I'm talking on, like you knowto be cheesy like the movie the
world needs.
Like this can truthfully belike the it's coming out middle
of the summer, july 11th likefresh superman for everybody to
love and new kids to hold on to.
Like this could really be.
Like the superman I mean I,that's the hope of like this is

(52:27):
the superman.
Like, and like, obviously, likejames.
Like there's a very good chancethis movie can make a billion
dollars.
Like, if this, everything goesright, it tests well, it plays
well.
You know, this movie can verywell be like the pillar of 2025,
like the Superman of 2025 andbeyond.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So yeah, no, I agree.
I think I think that framing isis very accurate.
Um, it's important in a myriadof different ways.
I think it's important for thesuperhero movie genre.
I think you know Marvel needskind of like a kick in the ass.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
From you know another kind of company, and obviously
DC is the only one in positionto do that.
You know, I just had a thoughtum James Gunn's, an industry
plant by Kevin Feige to tocreate some competition for
himself.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Well, I was talking about this with somebody.
You can't Barbenheimer,fantastic foreign Superman, even
though it would be phenomenalfor like us, like for nerds it
would be incredible, but likeyou can't, barbenheimer, that
because of the competitivenature, like those movies are
not two movies to be bounced offeach other like oppenheimer and
barbie warlike, these moviesare too can, unfortunately,

(53:42):
these movies are to compete witheach other if the godzilla and
kong, like they are, two apexpredators against each other but
it's going to help both of them.
I have a feeling that fantasticfour might get delayed into
November.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I don't know, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I think they're going to go for it.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, I think so.
I think because James Gunn andKevin Feige are friends.
I think they're going to lookat what happened with Barbie and
Oppenheimer and be like wecan't release them on the same
day.
No, we got to release them onthe same day, but like if, if
both of them are as good as wethink they are which I think
they are both incredible.
It's just going to incur Cause,like at the end of the day,

(54:21):
people can talk all they wantabout you know, being like a DC
fan boy being a Marvel fan boy,but at person is going to be
like I'm only seeing Supermanand screw the Fantastic Four.
No, if you like this stuff thatmuch, you're going to see both
of them.
You're not going to get, You'regoing to get crossover.

(54:42):
I think both of these movieswill make a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I think you think Fantastic Four is making a
billion dollars.
Yeah, I think Superman's goingto run right into the way of
that movie Because, like I said,superman as a figure supersedes
the superhero genre.
Like Superman as a figure willget like an extra like 300
million, 400 million onto thatmovie.
Like I think the and again Iknow he wants the top gun run

(55:08):
that it had, like where it'slike this movie's just playing
for weeks on end just playingand playing, and this movie will
not.
Like this movie's just playingfor weeks on end, just playing
and playing, and this movie willnot stop.
I genuinely think it's going tocut into the Fantastic Four a
little bit, which is too.
I genuinely think thatFantastic Four might, or Kevin
Feige might be like take theNovember release date and just

(55:29):
run with it into the holiday.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Well, I think the problem with that is is, if he
wants a prolonged run forNovember, I think he's going to
run into Avatar and get crushed.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I mean, unless they do the early November slot that
Black Panther and the Eternalstook, like if you do an early
November slot, like what you canavoid, you can avoid Avatar
because Avatar's going to take,avatar's going to take December
into January.
That's just how it's gonna go.
If fantastic four can take no,like if it can take thanksgiving
while everybody's home, a movieabout a family while

(55:58):
everybody's home, like you takeaway because superman, I'm
telling you it's gonna runthrough everything.
Especially, I'm telling youright now, if captain america
doesn't work and like the wordassociation with marvel goes on
to that like superman might beable to run right through
fantastic four yeah, I mean, Ithink I think we'll find out,
because I think I think once thesuper bowl hits, I don't think

(56:18):
they're moving off a releasedate if no, no, absolutely not
if you get a super bowl trailerthat says like july, whatever,
2025.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
That's what's happening like, I think.
If they are modifying therelease date, I think you'll
find out in that trailer.
You know, i't think they'regoing to launch a Super Bowl
trailer with 15 million peoplewatching the Super Bowl and then
change the release date afterthe fact.
No, no, whatever that releasedate is, assuming it's a Super

(56:46):
Bowl trailer, I don't know whyyou wouldn't, if it's ready, put
it on the Super Bowl.
What did they do with beforeMarvel's done a Super Bowl
trailer, before They've done abunch of Super Bowl trailers?
Yeah, so you know, I can'tremember what, maybe it was
Doctor Strange, I think, had aSuper Bowl trailer.
So, yeah, if they're going todo a Super Bowl trailer, I think
, and the release date is July,whatever, it's going to stay

(57:08):
there.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And then it's July 25th because so you got two
weeks.
You got a two week gap, yeah,so I'm I'm really conflicted
because but then to tocompletely upend my point you're
talking about one of thebiggest actors on the planet
leading your movie.
Like he's Pedro Pascal'sleading this movie, like feel
wise, if they can get the feelright, if that first trailer can

(57:30):
hit.
That's what I mean, because Idon't think you're probably
gonna wait until like march,april to do your.
So here's the thing james gunncan look at the super ball and
be like we're doing the firstfull trailer with dialogue and
like with story beats, like infor the super bowl, like that
would kind of be a smack tokevin feige, to be like dang

(57:51):
dude, like I thought you weregonna let fantastic four have
Super Bowl, and now you're like,nah, I think I'm good.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, I just think with the timing, I think a lot
of the.
By the time Fantastic Fourrolls around, everyone that saw
Superman the first two weeks isjust going to go see Fantastic
Four.
I think you're just going toget two blockbusters.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
You know, to that point I blockbusters.
You know, to that point I thinksuperman's money, while
fantastic four is going to comeout, is from the superman word
association, from it just beingsuperman I think your family is
going to go like you're.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know the people that just I think superman, I
think superman will make moremoney.
I, I just think they're bothgoing to make a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Especially, you're going to get the classic marvel
burst, you know of course, ofcourse, because that's what
marvel's, that's what they'rethe best at.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
And then I think they're gonna hit I think this
movie's gonna be good enoughthat it gets a guardians of the
galaxy like reaction okay, wherethey're like no, this movie's
really good.
And then you're gonna get themore kind of like casual movie
goers to be like, let's, let mesee this, let me check this
fantastic board movie out, likeif it's as good as what I'm
hearing, and then that's goingto carry it to probably a

(58:57):
billion dollars.
So, yeah, I think both thosemovies coming out I don't think
it's totally an accident no,absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
That was probably planned.
It was probably planned.
Who had the first date?
I think Superman had the datefirst.
I think so, yeah, and thenKevin's like, like I said, you
can't put it on the same day andinstead of doing the week of or
the week of or the week after,give him two weeks because again
, that first punch for Supermanis going to be a wave, oh yeah,

(59:29):
and the word of mouth I think isgoing to be a wave, oh yeah,
and like the word of mouth Ithink is going to help that
movie the best in the fact thatit's Superman.
So it's going to get that firstpunch, but, to your point, that
first Marvel punch is going tohit Like that's still the MCU at
the end of the day, the firstMarvel punch is still going to
hit and people are going to beanticipating Doctor Doom too.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Mm have to bite the bullet and put him in the
trailer.
Just put him in the trailer andjust do it, get it out of the
way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That would be kind of crazy actually for the super
bowl trailer too, like if it'shim, if it's robert, if it's
downy, that would be.
That would be crazy.
Remember, we're talking aboutan announcement at a con.
You didn't that took overtwitter.
Like, oh yeah, the internetexploded.
You think like it's gonna benuts so yeah, that's a great
point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I don't know if they would do that, because he's not
advertised for the movie, like alot of people are saying.
He's gonna be a post-creditscene, but like man, would they
bait and switch a post-creditscene into a trailer?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
well, that's what I'm , that's what I'm kind of saying
of like you might have to justbite the bullet you either do
that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I mean, one of two ways you can get people on board
with this trailer is if, again,like I said, galactus is just
like this Marvel no pun intendedlike he shows up on the screen
of the trailer and you're likewhoa, like I need to see this
movie, yeah if you could capturethat family retrofutur.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
But, like I said, james Gunn might be like Super
Bowl first official trailer.
Run it and you're like, ohshoot, that's going to be the
one that people watch first.
So I'm in between both.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, so I'm kind of conflicted between the both.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great point both.
Um, yeah, yeah, that's a greatpoint.
Um, I guess we'll save.
We can save.
Uh, let's save some tv stufffor next week.
We can split it because we'lltalk to this, yeah, because tv's
got a big punch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Like you're talking about franchise for tv, marvel's
got some got some words to saythis year they got out.
They got a whole bunch and Imean, starting in less than two
months, my baby boy is back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And we're finally going to do it.
We're finally going to do aDaredevil.
Retrospective is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
We're going to have Charlie Cox on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
We're going to have to do a Daredevil retrospective.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I'm going to start re-watching it ASAP.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
A hundred some odd episodes in, and we're finally
doing it.
This is the greatest news ever.
That'll come up in a couple ofweeks.
So, yeah, we're going to save.
We'll save TV for next week.
Definitely do like a 2025 TVdeep dive.
Yeah, and that's going to do itfor us this week.
You can follow us on Twitter atproject I enough underscore pod

(01:02:07):
.
You can follow us on Facebook.
You can follow us on Instagramat the project Infinite pod, can
follow us on TikTok and YouTubeat the Project Infinite podcast
.
And, yeah, I think, if anything, we've proved that this year is
going to be pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
It's going to be insane, it's going to be nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
From your standard regular non-franchise movies to
franchise movies, to pandamovies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
To All-American season 50.
Come on, man, what season thatshow's on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
We're getting two Marvel movies, to fandom movies,
to All-American Season 50.
Come on, man Season that show'son.
We're getting two Marvel movies, a DC movie and an Avatar movie
all in the same year.
Pretty fun, fun stuff, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And Minecraft.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And the Minecraft movie that we didn't talk about,
which I was gaslit and thinking, came out already.
I just I thought it had comeand went.
I was like, wait, this moviehasn't come out yet.
What are you doing, jasonmuller?
What are you doing?
Not a lot of anything.
Come on man, um all right man,from me, from the careful man um

(01:03:10):
don't, don't call me anthonymackie from uh, from the I got
so many things to choose fromhere, from the gareth edwards of
the podcast I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, low budget king , low budget king, low budget
king.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Jurassic world movie is gonna cost 17 to make, and 16
of it, once a scarlet johanssonand it's gonna look and
phenomenal.
It's gonna look incredible.
God, I love this little nichethat gareth edwards is settled
into yeah, just, yeah, just, lethim do anything he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Yep, um, all right guys, that's it.
We will see you next week forsome 2025 part two, stuff, tv,
stuff, tv.
Last of us daredevil um otherthings.
Until then, goodbye peace.

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