144 - Honoring David Lynch & Projecting 2025 TV Shows: Daredevil, Stranger Things & More - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Infinite Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's the Infinite Podcast.
My God, it never ends.
It's the Infinite Podcast withRob and Kork the Cube.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
of the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom For movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We got you covered.
I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with CourtCourt.
This is a part two, I guess, toour 2025 preview, where we
talked about movies that we werelooking forward to in 2025.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
We made it big time.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're doing part twos now.
Yeah, we've done a part twobefore.
Big time.
We're doing part twos now.
Yeah, we've done a part twobefore, but not like this, not
like this.
So this week we are going totalk about TV shows and, man see
, the reason we split this upinto two parts is because the TV
side, the movie side, is prettyloaded, but the TV side is
especially loaded this year yearand we're going to talk about

(01:05):
so many of those shows thatwe're looking forward to across
a wide, wide spectrum of ofgenres and everything.
But before that, we do havesome news, starting with some
unfortunate news, that is, filmtv icon david lynch passed away
at the age of 78, um best knownfor twin peaks, um best known

(01:25):
for dune 1984, um the elephantman, um, just a legend,
legendary career.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's insane because you could just go down, even be
like for twin twin peaks, formahalan drive, for eraser head,
for dune, for blue velvet, likethat's just the type of
filmmaking you're talking about.
You mean you want to talkinnovation in the 70s that he
was getting after in the 70s,that he was getting after in the
70s and 80s, and obviously youknow, on a broad spectrum,
thinking like do you know howgreat of a filmmaker you need to
be to usurp you making thatdune movie and to still, you

(01:55):
know, carve out the career thatyou did?
I mean, he's the he's.
So what is enigmatic the wordI'm looking for?
But I love how, I love howtough and rugged he is and I
loved his love for the game.
I mean, he's somebody that'struthfully, he was truthfully.
He loved filmmaking, he lovedthe craft of filmmaking.
I love that video where the PA'stelling him we gotta speed up

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the scene.
He's like why?
Why do we need to speed up thescene?
That's David Lynch for you.
He was so mysterious but he wassuch a cool customer.
Yeah, it comes to this filmthing, so rest in peace.
That's.
That one was a tough loss.
That one was like it just cameout of nowhere.
It was just out of nowhere.
I mean you want to talk aboutminds that do this.
He's one of the best.
I mean he, he literally carvedways to think about different

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ways of making movies.
So rest in peace, and it's thatthis one was a sad one.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, the, the, the.
The mark of someone that'struly kind of made it in their
field is when they get like anadjective right, Like when you
say something is Lynchian, um,whether it's a film, you know,
whatever the case is, you knowit invokes him and that kind of
surrealism that he brought tohis, to his, to his films and to

(03:06):
his directing and everythingthat he did.
Really a true artist musician,filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, what was David Lynch?
He was a painter before he wasa, before he was a filmmaker,
and he talked about it too.
He said it doesn't, you don'tneed to go to film school, you
don't?
He said I was a painter beforeI did this like I, I wasn't, I,
I think what was he?
A truck?
I don't know if it was him.
That was the truck driverbefore this, but he's like, I
didn't have to go to film school, I didn't need to do any of
that, just pick up a camera andstart shooting stuff.

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So you want to talk aboutinspirations?
David Lynch is definitely onthat list.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, 78 years old, long, long life, long career,
acclaimed career.
Yeah, man, just one of thosetimes it's a bummer, for sure,
but also a celebration of just aremarkable, remarkable life and
career.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
There's something poetic about the last appearance
that he made in a filmObviously as a director he was
always behind.
It was the Fablemans, where heplayed Tom Ford and he kind of
gave the torch to StevenSpielberg.
There's something poetic aboutit being him that played Tom
Ford to do it.
I just thought about that aswell too.
But definitely rest in peace,it sucked.
I heard that and I was likewhat are you talking about?

(04:12):
I know he was working onsomething for Netflix at the
time too.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, definitely a bummer.
So, as always, tough totransition out of these things,
but we're going to and startingwith some breaking news that
broke a little while ago today,and that is Sean Levy's Star
Wars movie, has its leadPotentially.
Who could it be?
Give me some actors.
Who could it be?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Give me any name.
Any name.
Is it John David Washington?
No.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Jessica Alba no.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
You're getting closer , though Weird, is it, jessica
Alba?
No, you're getting closer,though, weirdly enough.
What do you mean by that?
Ryan Gosling is apparently intalks, finalizing stages, of a
deal with Star Wars, and he'sgoing to be the lead in this
Sean Levy Star Wars movie.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's crazy.
We've been talking about it forabout two hours now.
Every time we talk about it itkeeps getting crazier and
crazier in my head that ryangosling would even entertain.
But listen, there's threefactors that I'm gonna bring up.
One, it's money.
Let's not beat around the bushsean levy just came off a
billion dollar project withmarvel and he saw what star

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power can help him doing that.
Number two, it's the star powerin the room and that's Ryan
Gosling.
I mean, you want to talk aboutthe movie stars?
It's like Glenn Powell wasjoking around about it.
He said I feel humbled that youguys think I'm a movie star but
Ryan Gosling's an actual, reallife like he is an absolute
movie star.
And three, I think it's SeanLevy's kind of directorial

(05:43):
charisma is really attractingpeople to want to do things,
which I guess all three of themwork in tandem, because you
don't get that without getting abillion dollar movie under your
belt where people would be like, hey, maybe I should work with
that guy, but what's theapproach?
What do you do?
Because I have two schools ofthought.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, I mean, the easy answer when you get Ryan
Gosling is that he's going to besome type of charming roguish
type character.
It's a Han Solo variant.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, but like, is that too easy, sure.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Probably, but it's also probably the safest option.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, because it's the whole Top Gun Maverick
thing.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's like, don't overcomplicate it, Like
sometimes it's simple and StarWars historically in film has
not.
I mean, obviously Han Solo wasin a huge part of the original
trilogy, of course, but they'venot yet made a movie about that
type of character.
He's always kind of like asupplemental character to the
Jedi character.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
And he's like, a lot of times he's the audience.
Surrogate like this makes nosense, man, but I'm here because
it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, and I think you know, if anything on the small
screen quote-unquote and orprove that you can make a
quality Star Wars project aboutthat type of character, sure, so
I mean, that's probably theeasiest answer, yep.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now mean?
That's probably the easiestanswer.
Yep, is to do that now.
Number two is the obvious.
This is about the space winners, was, this is about the space
wizard.
So you?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
make him a jedi.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Now my concern is that you don't like.
Is that ryan gosselin's bag todo that?
To play like, but like and but.
Then the good part would belike.
You have to get a littleinnovative of like and obviously
I feel like this movie's goingto be fun and like they're.
Probably, if this movie hits,it gets the Star Wars fandom
back on track to some degree.
It's going to be like all right.

(07:33):
Well, sean Levy A has the keysto the castle and B let him do
whatever the heck he wants.
Like, let him have the most funthat he wants.
So I'm kind of, I'm so I'm sointrigued to the fact of like.
Do you just make him a jedi,but make it like, make it a
little different.
Like, but like.
How does this fit in?
Like is this I hope this takesplace after rise of skywalker,

(07:55):
because we both talked aboutthat like it's time.
Like it's time to move on.
It's time to move on like,let's get after everything.
Like, if you want to bring rayback for this movie, so be it.
But like, let's, let's getafter it.
Like, let's move on.
You bring wins.
I had, I had a, I had an idea,and now I just thought of the
actor that you could put inthere to do this.
Now, if you do the option a andthat's just make him a

(08:15):
charismatic gun slinging ship,flying crap, talking um,
whimsical, witty, heart of goldcharacter, which ryan gosling
would, you know, absolutely bephenomenal, I still don't think
you could do this movie withouta jedi like you.
It's the thing like I.
It's why.
It's why like the, uh, the jedi, uh, the jedi series for the

(08:37):
for gaming is working so well,it's because it's a main jedi.
That's like it's good to see.
You get winston duke to playthe jedi.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Because I feel like he can be like the.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You get your Fall Guy crew back together, you let him
play the Jedi and let him belike sagest and wise and old not
old but wise and like hisgrounding force, and he's like
nah, dude, let's go have somefun in this galaxy.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, so apparently this movie is being developed as
a standalone projectInteresting, which again makes
me think that they are going tokind of Han Solo him sure.
Um, like I said, I think that'sprobably just the safest option
and you know, we kind of talkedoff air about like Star Wars,
especially on the film side,really needing kind of a win
they need a win that they canprolong, like they need a win

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that's just gonna.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Like they need a win that's just going to work, yeah,
and like I think that'sprobably what did it.
It's like let's get, let's getthe director of Deadpool
Wolverine and let's get theworld's male movie star.
Like let's put the two of thosethings together, cause we
already burned ourselves usingPedro.
No, I didn't burn themselves,but we already used Pedro Pascal
.
So get scouse and get thesecond guy right I still can't
believe he's, he's, he might andwill do this.

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This is insane.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I know, yeah, apparently, like, like I said,
he's in final talk.
So once you get to that stage,I feel like it, once it kind of
gets out, it's like that 99 toone, it's like gonna happen.
Yeah, the only thing in recentmemory that I can think of that
kind of fell through was the,that original fantastic four
casting that pretty much allcame through, besides the Matt
Smith thing.
Who was it?

(10:07):
It was Matt Smith, vanessaKirby, joseph Quinn.
It was this cast, just MattSmith instead of Pedro Pascal,
and that was apparently a donedeal.
So one of these days we'll findout what happened with Matt
Smith.
Pedro Pascal was available,that's what happened to Matt
Smith?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But also again to my point, could have just made Matt
Smith Doctor Doom.
Well, they still could makeMatt Smith Doctor Doom.
I think he would be great.
I guess we'll just stay in theStar Wars realm just for right.
Now I'm moving some thingsaround.
That is, the character of BalanSkull will be coming back in
Ahsoka Season 2, but he will berecast, obviously with the
passing of Ray Stevenson, andwill be recast from a good

(10:46):
friend of Ray Stevenson, roryMcCann, who people will know
probably most popularly as theHound in Game of Thrones, had a
very, very minor role inGladiator 2.
I think, as far as obviously heand Ray Stevenson were good
friends and as far as charactertype, I think he fits the role

(11:08):
of Balan Skull very, very well.
Sure.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it sucks.
It's a whole thing.
We talk everything for, let'sjust say for Harrison Ford to
play the Red Hulk and to playThaddeus Ross.
But it sucks, because WilliamHurt was supposed to be doing
this.
This should have been WilliamHurt's thing to do, so it's the
same thing.
This was supposed to be RayStevenson's things to do, and a
great, great character.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean that that Balan Skull character was one of
the single best things.
It was something different.
We had seen out of the gate bythem as well too.
He had this stoicism about himwhich made me question as well
too, which I was not expecting,especially from a Dark Side user
.
So I mean, but you get that outof Roy Stevenson's performance.

(11:53):
But this is still a good recastas well too.
So I'm just excited that atleast the character's memory
gets to live on.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, and I think that was kind of one of the not
concerns.
But it was kind of going to bea bummer if we were going to do
another season of Ahsoka andthat character wasn't going to
return, because it is a reallywell-written character and a
really obviously a tremendouslyperformed character.
So I'm excited to see thecharacter live on.
I think Rory McCann is anexcellent, excellent actor.
Obviously I love his work asthe Hound in Game of Thrones, so

(12:24):
looking forward to what he canbring to another kind of stoic
but has an air of deepness tohim, kind of like the Hound had.
So I'm excited, definitelypumped for that.
And just a quick little videogame corner.
Just some highlights from thevideo game world.
Quick little video game corner.

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Just some highlights from thevideo game video game world.
Um, sony has canceled a plethoraof live action, live service
games.
Um, that they have been.
Some were in deep, deepdevelopment.
Um, blue point was working on agod of war live service game.
Um, I know a horizon zero dawnmmo got canceled.
Um, and I mean it's a shame inone respect that they wasted so
much time, energy, resources andmoney.

(13:07):
But also I hope this is kind oflike a wake-up call of we don't
need everything to be a liveservice game.
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, two things are kind of usurping.
That Funny enough, it's MarvelRivals is kind of shaking
everybody awake.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't know when this decision?
Yeah, we got some Marvel Rivalsstuff to talk about.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know when the Marvel Rivals came into the
room, but it definitely helpedsolidify something, because
they're proving you don't needto pay to have fun.
That's not what gaming shouldbe.
If you need to pay for the gamea billion, trillion, gazillion
percent you need to pay for thegame.
Beyond that, we just werejoking about the guardians of
the galaxy game, like incomparison to the avengers game.
Like why do I want to pay toget to up?

(13:48):
Like I'm not paying to play agame to be better, like that
just takes away everything.
Like if you're gonna whoop mybutt in a game, what my butt by?
You know, by the content ofyour character, not by the color
of your, of your skin.
Yeah, literally the skin of theskins on the like I don't want
any upgrades because of thislike, and Marvel Rivals is
understanding that.
And then that's half the battle.
The other half of the battle isthe type of gaming world that

(14:10):
we've moved into and that'snarrative gaming.
Narrative gaming is kind oflike the the point.
Now.
It's like, if you're notnarrative gaming or you're not
like a super fun, like keepchipping away game like Astro
marvel rivals, like, then that'skind of where the future holds
like if gate, like I mean youlook at the cash for
intergalactic, like that's likean actual, those are actual

(14:32):
actors going into this trying todo this.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
So there's no place for live service and like I dare
I say good, like yeah you know,yeah, I mean I don't know what
a god of war live service gamelooks like.
Exactly like what's the appealof God of War?
It's Kratos, kratos yes, it'sKratos and his story.
Like I don't care to play as arandom NPC-type character and
play around in the God of Warworld.

(14:53):
Like what brings me to God ofWar is playing as Kratos and
following his story.
Same thing with Horizon ZeroDawn.
Like I don't have an interestin playing some random person in
the Horizon universe.
Aloy's story is enough.
So I mean, I hope this is kindof, like you said, kind of a
wake-up call that not everythingneeds to be live service.
And, like you said, marvelRivals.
It's the question that I'vealways been asking myself with

(15:17):
all these live service games andit's why aren't people just
doing what Fortnite does andMarvel Rivals just is doing that
?
They're just like we're justgoing to give you the whole game
for free.
We're going to give you all thecharacters for free, and if you
want to buy some skins, youwant to buy a battle pass, go
right ahead.
But you're not missing out onanything by not doing that.
And the proof is in the puddingthat Marvel Rivals is one of

(15:38):
the most successful games of2025.
Obviously, it's the first month, but this I I kept hearing
after this game released thatlike people are gonna be like,
oh, it's gonna be, people aregonna be sick of it.
People are gonna no, becausethe game is fun for one.
Um, that's a referential yep,uh, yeah, I mean I've seen just
kind of like anecdotes ontwitter the last month of like

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comic comics are selling, marvelcomics are selling because of
marvel rivals.
Like People are getting intothe they find their main
character that they play as andthey're like I kind of want to
learn more about Moon Knight andthat goes to my point.
I made last episode that I'mglad that they included the
roster that they did.
Moon Knight, psylocke, magic,and then the characters,

(16:25):
obviously you know like, andthen the characters you know
obviously there's there's leaksand stuff about characters you
know potentially coming likecharacters like emma frost, um,
cyclops, uh, you know I've seensome crazy, crazy inclusions
that are coming.
Um, you know so I, and now youknow coming off the news that
they're putting the SonyInsomniac Spider-Man costume in

(16:45):
the game.
I think next week, on the 30th,I think you're going to start
seeing that a lot more.
I think you're going to startseeing a lot more of the Marvel
Like.
I think they're doing a tie-inwith AMC and Captain America
where if you buy a ticketthrough the AMC website you get
a code for an exclusive skin forMarvel Rivals.

(17:09):
I think Marvel recognizes thejuggernaut that they might have
accidentally stumbled into.
Maybe not accidentally, maybethey knew all along.
But I mean, when you go back, Ithink the trailer, the first
reveal of this game happenedlast March, so a little under a
year ago, when it was likeMarvel, I think the announcement
was like Marvel games isshowing off a new thing and
people were like ah, whatever,dude, like it's going to be some

(17:31):
MMO or like some mobile game.
And then you know the Marvelrivals trailer dropped in, like
okay, but what is it?
And then they were like it'sjust an overwatch clone and
arguably the biggest game in theworld.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Right now, yeah, and you always get to test when you
do it, when you're walkingaround and you hear people like
I was at I think I was atStarbucks the other day and I
heard them talking about whothey were mating in Marvel
Rivals.
I said what the heck is goingon?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
This is insane.
And then, on the other side ofthings, just a bit of news that
I had to include because,obviously, justice League Kills
the Suicide Squad is done.
It has wrapped up with therelease of its final character,
deathstroke, who they just gaveall the powers to.
From what I understand, I stillnever played that game.
I'm not going to, unfortunately, and then spoiler alert for

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that game.
I guess, with the release ofthe Deathstroke DLC, that it
kind of wrapped up the story andthe story is apparently for
nothing.
Yep, the whole conceit behindthe whole plot, which you know,
if you chart again, we've beendoing this podcast long enough,
where we've been doing this longenough, where we follow
projects from inception torelease to, in this case, the

(18:41):
end, and we were both prettyexcited by the concept of this
and then, like it being set inthe arkham verse, it being
developed by rocksteady, we werelike this sounds amazing.
and then it was it's a liveservice game they waited to say
that too, and I was like andthen it got delayed for a really

(19:02):
long, like a year.
It got pushed back.
And then we're like, oh, andthen the first trailer came out
and it was like here's thebattle pass and here's this.
I'm like, oh no, oh no, oh no,no.
And then the plot details gotreleased and like everyone dies
and you're like, I get thatsuicide squad.
But then like, just the waythey handle things, and now the
ultimate reveal is that none ofit mattered because they were

(19:25):
all clones.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Thanks god, and I don't know if that's like I feel
like it's something to do withthe arkham game.
I feel like it has something todo with spider-man.
I think it has something to dowith, like, the arkham games of
them wanting to do one lastarkham game with batman and they
want to like, wait a minute,guys do it right.
Just kidding y'all.
Just Just Josh, just jokes,just jokes.
Except for Wonder Woman.
Yeah, she's actually dead.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So my bad on that.
Yeah, I mean again, just aspectacular failure.
Yeah, another live servicefailure Justice League versus
Suicide Squad what a joke, yeah.
So everyone just chill,everyone stop.
You know the other thing?
The other problem with liveservice oversaturation.

(20:06):
People only have so much moneyto spend.
Yes, like you guys are nothelping by, like you're
wondering why your games arefailing, but then like people
are already putting a ton oftime and energy into like a game
like marvel rivals, we're likethat's where your money and
energy is gonna go.
Like, if you're paying for $15for a Battle Pass and buying
skins, my energy is not going toanother freaking live service.

(20:29):
I'm not playing.
50 live service games.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
You want to turn in and look at Guardians of the
Galaxy the game.
No expectation, but that storywas phenomenal, An absolutely
phenomenal story that made mefeel like I was reading the most
emotional Guardians of theGalaxy comics ever.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
And I don't mind paying $70 for a game that I'm
going to play for 40 hours andthen never play again.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's what I'm saying At least, if you have to
pay for the game, that's fine,that's okay.
You're selling me a product,that's all right.
I don't want to pay foranything after that.
That will not help.
What battle pass do I?
Why am I paying for a battlepass?
I just want to play a gameagain the Guardians of the
Galaxy game.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
All the cosmetics and stuff you have to find in game.
You have to explore the worldand find the chests.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Then you get the costumes but then the story is
so enthralling you're like Iactually care and that's the
piece.
I don't care about anybody inthat game or that story at all.
But then you turn over and youlook at the Jedi games.
I care about Cal Kesta so much,To the point where people are
like do live action because welove him so much.
That's how you know you didsomething good, yep, a hundred
percent.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So that's that Marvel News, and this one is a doozy.
So you might.
How well do you remember Ironman 1?
I would.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, I'm a complete nerd, so of course I remember
Iron man 1.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
All right, but do you have any fondness for the
terrorist guy?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
If you're asking if I have fondness for Raza, if
you're asking if I have afondness terrorism Raza, if
you're asking if I have afondness for terrorism, then no,
I don't have a fondness forterrorism.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Alright, but you're staunchly anti-terrorism.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yes, great, I'm putting my state claim You're
putting that on the record thatI'm anti-terrorism.
Alright well.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm like Jack Bauer.
Do you remember the guy in thebeginning?
We're going to talk about 24one day.
Oh yeah, do you remember theguy in the beginning of Iron man
who kidnapped Tony Stark?
Yeah, he's like hey, get overhere, man, Build me a missile
please.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Tony Stark was like.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'll take one million missiles.
What if I built an Iron mansuit and said no.
I didn't want you to do that.
That's actually what he said.
He said no, you're not buildingan Iron man suit in here, are
you and Tony Stark?
Yeah, he's like no, tony Starkwas like never.
I would never do that.
That's insane, jensen.
Let's complete this Iron mansuit.
Look, this is a flamethrower.

(22:52):
My turn.
Iron man 1 is great, yeah, itis, but anyway.
So Ferran Tahir, who plays Razain Iron man, has been confirmed
by deadline to be returning forVision Quest.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
What.
Yo what is Vision Quest?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Spoiler alert for Iron man 1.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, he will return actually.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Raza was killed by Obadiah Stane.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Was it on screen?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
No, it was a clone, it said.
Squad Kills Justice.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
League.
It was a hologram.
It was a hologram.
It was a hologram.
No, not like Fast and Furious.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Kurt Russell was there for some reason.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yo, kurt Russell was doing mad product placement for
Coronas.
It was crazy.
What is this?
I don't know what this show is.
Tommy's in this show?
Yes, who, tommy, tommy, who,billy and Tommy?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Is he?
Yeah, sure, I mean, jamesSpader is coming back.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
We know that James Spader doesn't do a lot, but
Marvel calls him.
He's like yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So here's the thing Vision is a show about Vision,
right Right Granted Vision wasJarvis.
I understand that, but Razanever interacted with Iron man.
He interacted with Tony Starkand Obadiah.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Which makes me think that maybe somehow this show has
something to do with Ironheartin some way, shape or form, and
Jeff Bridges is going to comeback.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, no, why is this guy coming back?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
is my question.
I don't understand.
Maybe in a flashback, but itstill doesn't make sense.
A flashback for whom?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Tony, you're telling me, robert Downey.
Jr is going to show up as badboy.
Yep, you're here, folks.
Somehow Raza returned.
That was insane.
I can't believe that.
I think this Vision show isgoing to be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm on record.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I think the Scarlet Witch stuff has been the most
compelling stuff that they'vedone.
That includes Agatha all along.
We talked about that show'vedone.
That includes Agatha all along.
We talked about that show onhere Really really good.
That kind of gave me moremomentum.
James Bader coming back asUltron that was a big win Is
incredible.
But now this guy is coming back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
All right, all right.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Great Headline news.
This one's a bit more of arumor, but it seems like it
could Probably potentially behappening.
It's something that got alittle bit of Traction after
Furiosa came out, and now it'sgot some real Traction and that
is George Miller potentiallydirecting Thor 5, which I think
would be fantastic.
I think we even said it.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Come on man, that's two today.
We were talking about it awhile ago, Even before we
started Doing this, where wewere like I think we even said
it Fantastic.
This was like a Come on man,that's two today.
We were talking about it awhile ago, even before we
started doing this, where wewere like you know, thor is like
Thor and Hulk were the twocharacters that were like you
can keep them running for yearsand I'll be fine, keep them
running forever.
If you can't get the universalrights, just have them show up

(25:43):
in Captain America 4.
Just have him show up for aslong as you can get from Mark
Ruffalo.
But Chris Hemsworth just keeprunning the movies up and I
think he wants to get a get backfrom Thor 4.
Now, stupid me watched Thor 4the other day, just cause.
However, george Miller and Imean we talked about it when we
talked about Furiosa I meanGeorge Miller has like a, he has

(26:06):
like a veracity in the way thathe film makes.
That I think is reallyremarkable, like his scope and
scale.
But it feels like there's thislike rugged piece that goes over
it.
But then there's this littledash of tenderness that he just
sprinkles in there and I thinkthat's like unabashedly Thor,
specifically Chris Hemsworth,thor and like you know, at you

(26:27):
Marvel Studios, like do you, butdo you have it in you to make
it epic?
Like I feel like George Millercan really bring Thor back to
like this epic nature.
Now, the one thing that I toldyou before we hopped on here I'm
so mad that they imagine ifGeorge Miller had gore and
Christian Bale like yeah, woof,woo, woof, woof, woof.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, unfortunately for Thor 4, Taika Waititi just
stopped caring, I mean you haveoptions.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean, I have an idea.
All right, hear me out, hear meout, hear me out, hear me out,
hear me out, hear me out.
You set this movie in thefuture, in the far, far future,
and you do God, emperor Thor.
Oh, that could be cool in thefar, far future.
And you do God, emperor Thor,oh, that could be cool.
And you do an old man, thor,essentially Not old man, because
he won't look too old, but youdo an older-looking Thor.

(27:12):
You do Thor's kids, you doThor's three daughters that he
has, and you kind of spin itlike that you do an older Thor.
What happened to the GodButcher?
He replaced himself, for right,he died, but he, like, traded
himself for his daughter.
Right, yeah, could you?
Christian Bale would never comeback, right?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean it depends how good of a time he had, or bad
of a time.
I mean how you spin it, or ifyou could just be like, hey,
this is going to be waydifferent than the last one.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, because what you can plausibly do is you've
got to ask yourself where youplace this If this movie comes
out before Secret.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Wars.
What if they just forget thatThor 4 ever happened and just do
gore again?
No, they can't do that.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Sure they can, unfortunately.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like maybe gore finds a way tocome back.
And then you do gore, true,this time, like nah, I'm not
just coming for like, I'm comingfor the celestials, like I will
.
Oh no, maybe you just make yo.
George miller made a furiosafull, it was a full revenge
story.
Just do that again, but do itgood this time.
But and then, so I'm a villainagain, I'm back, but then you

(28:18):
put you put tom hiddleston backin this movie.
Like you get them all backtogether for one last movie.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Door's like oh, no man, I thought we hashed this
out.
No man, Thor's like.
I changed my mind.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I changed my mind.
I got the Necrosword again.
Whoa, no, not the Necroswordfrom Marvel Comics.
How'd you get that?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Noel's like.
Noel from across the Sonyverseis like hang on.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I gotta get one of those, butno, I feel like that would be a
cool approach.
You do an old man.
You do the god emperor Thor,not Donny Cates.
Not Donny Cates was working onhim, jason Aaron was doing that
was Jason Aaron's post War ofthe Realms.

(29:00):
He was doing the old man Thorwith his daughters.
I think that would be cool.
You do an older Loki and then,or the option they're going to
pick, and I don't know if it'sbecause I've been watching Ted
Lasso, but you follow through onthe Brett Goldstein like you
make him the other lead of themovie and you just do the two of
them.
They punch for a bit and thenthey're mates against Zeus.

(29:21):
Keep it simple.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
You give Russell then their mates against zeus?
Like keep it simple.
You give russell crowe anothershot to like be properly like a
little more serious, right?
Um, I'm assuming cord won't becoming back.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
No, no, taika watiti is never touching a marvel
project, ever again.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Um, absolutely not yeah, I mean, I'm all for that.
I think that'd be great.
Um, we obviously know georgemiller got a lot of great work
out of hemsworth and furiosa, sowhoa, whoa, Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
If you're going to do this idea, George Miller, I know you're
listening.
If you're going to do this idea, why don't you?
You know who you get to play asdaughter.
You get Anya Taylor-Joy.
I feel like they want her forsomething else.
Yes, they do.
She could, no, I could.
I can see her playing like anEmma Frost.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Man, she was the lone bright spot of New Mutants.
Yeah, she was, she was fabulous.
Oh, what am I?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
saying she can't play Emma Frost.
She could, she could, she could.
Oh, you know who?
She would be incredible asBlack Swan from Hickman's
Avengers run, yeah, she would bephenomenal as Black Swan.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, I just got a feeling that they want her or
something.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh, I need Taylor Joy with cooking Star Wars as well
too.
Yes, she's got big Star Warsenergy she does have big Star
Wars.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I know exactly what you mean.
Yeah, yeah, so George Miller,do it.
As your agent.
Do it, make it serious.
He will.
He'll make it sort of serious.
Sure, bring Jane back too.
Sure, get her back in there.
This is Asgard, or wherever shewent at the end, valhalla,
uh-huh, dc things, thing, dcthing.

(30:59):
Millie Alcock is confirmed tobe appearing in the Superman
movie Great Good stuff and DavidKrumpholtz has been confirmed
as playing her father in theSupergirl movie.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Good stuff Also good, I'm assuming her Earth father.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Hey, don't do that Supergirlstuff.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Previously played by Dean Cain.
Hmm, I'm just saying facts.
Yeah, these are the facts.
I'm not surprised by this.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I love the positioning of what they're
putting this Superman movieagainst Of.
Like this universe could haveheroes as old as years and years
old.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, and I mean this movie's going to make a billion
dollars and they probably wantSupergirl to be really
successful.
Yes, so throw her in thisprobably billion dollar movie
and let people fall in love withMillie Alcock the way that we
did when we saw her in House ofthe Dragon.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yep, that was the best point that was one of the
best points you've ever made.
That's exactly what they'retrying to do, Like go watch
Supergirl next summer, Like thisis going to be the one for next
year.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's as much as James Gunn is like.
This isn't going to be like aMarvel thing where we're going
to do the thing, you're going todo the thing.
It's why the early stages ofMarvel work so well, where you
could be like watching Iron manand then Nick Fury shows up at
the end and be like we're doingthe Avengers and you're like I'm
in, ah, shoot.
Same thing with every othermovie that they did in phase one
, like Thor, thor, you're doingThor next.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, wait, wait.
Is that Hawkeye?
Is that Hawkeye from MarvelComics in there?
Are you, Jeremy Renner from thetown?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
in my Thor movie.
What's going on?
So yeah, get Millie Alcock inthere, let her Supergirl a bit
for a couple minutes.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well, I just like the approach that they're going to
take to be like I hate you, like.
I hope that's the approach theytake.
It's like I really don't like.
You're cool and you I'm justlike.
And the Supergirl Woman ofTomorrow story and the fact that
they're leaving Tom King in tohelp make this is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That story is so good ?
Yep, for sure.
So I'm obviously we are alreadylooking forward to Superman,
but knowing that she's going toshow up, I'm really keen to see
how she shows up as Supergirl.
I'm really excited for that.
And then I guess our segue intoour topic is we got, we got the
trailer.
Yes, we did, um, daredevil bornagain.

(33:11):
Um, we got the trailer.
Um, it's probably, you know,just, I guess we could just
start there with daredevil,probably the most anticipated
show for us, at least for 2025.
The Last of Us is right there.
But this is, knowing what wegot with the Last of Us, we

(33:31):
already kind of expect kind oflike excellence.
But this Daredevil thing withis it real how it started?
How it's going?
Yeah, which we'll talk about alot more in a couple weeks when
we properly do a Daredevilretrospective.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I need you to find every.
You need to do a compilation ofall the times.
I'm like we should talk aboutDaredevil this week.
You're like no, the showdoesn't come out for two years
and look at us.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You were doing that bit before this even got
announced.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Like when the future of Daredevil was up in the air,
I still had hope you wanted todo a Daredevil retrospective
just because he was showing upin Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I wanted to do a Daredevil retrospective as the
first episode of this podcast,and that's a real, actual fact.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
That's not even us joking Should we just start this
podcast by talking aboutDaredevil.
So yes, daredevil Born Again,finally realized, finally coming
out in a little more than amonth.
We got the trailer.
All your favorites are back.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, eat your heart out.
Previous writers that didn'twant to do that.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, we'll talk about the kind of you know the
story of Daredevil Born Again.
You know, in a couple weekswhen we recap Daredevil and
everything.
But it's been a journey to gethere Before someone at Marvel
was like hey why don't we justdo Daredevil again?
And people were like, yep, yep,sounds good.

(35:00):
So this trailer obviously openswith D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox
doing Daredevil.
Yeah, what you been up to you,son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, a little bit of mutual respect on each side.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I wouldn't say respect, but like it's like,
yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's like that interview that Isaiah Thomas and
Magic Johnson have.
It's like that interview that.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson have.
They're sitting at the dinerfrom the Punisher and from
Daredevil Season 2.
The same diner that they werein Talking about.
What have you been up to?
You know how many arrests copscan make if they frequent that
diner and they just.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Apparently Matt stopped being Daredevil Again.
Well, they're taking that fromChip Zdarsky's run, like I
guarantee you.
Well, it's either that theytake that he accidentally not
aids, but like he accidentallykills somebody, like he's like
if he was put through a court oflaw he would be innocent, but
obviously he's not going to dothat.
So I think he stopped Daredevileither because of that or in
the sadder one, in the fantheory that keeps running and

(36:05):
running.
And I think he stoppedDaredevil either because of that
or in the sadder one, in thefan theory that keeps running
and running.
And I think it's going tohappen.
It's because Foggy dies.
Don't do it?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Why did you stop being a vigilante?
Why did you stop being a ragingbitch, fisk?
He didn't say that he couldhave.
No, he said, mayor Fisk,remember that time your adopted
daughter whammied you in thehead and made you change your
evil ways.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
She didn't.
That was crazy.
And then he just went back todoing villainous things.
Now he's the mayor Now he isthe mayor.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, so they're chatting.
This trailer is intercut with alot of bones breaking and a lot
of blood squirting, whichraises a couple questions.
One question, I guess, and it'slike are we just doing this to
be like look, it's Daredevil?
That's my one fear.
I wasn't thinking it until oneof the last shots in the trailer

(36:55):
, when Buddy gets his legsnapped in half and I'm like ooh
.
First of all I was like ooh,and then I was like wait a
minute, but none of the otherDaredevil trailers really did it
like that.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I was like wait a minute.
But like none of the otherDaredevil trailers really did it
like that.
No, because like they wereoperating off of like Aura or
they were operating off of toneLike this is just.
And then, because this one's myreal rewatch this isn't Quartz,
the Psychopath that alwayswatches Daredevil, which I do.
This is my actual rewatchbefore the show.
I watched the first fourepisodes and I'm like it's not

(37:24):
violent for violence sake.
It is violent because that isthe tone of this universe and
this show, but it's not overtlyviolent.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
This is just an MA yeah, violent things happen.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, this is just a TV MA project.
That is it.
This is point blank, simple.
I have this fear that this showis missing, and all those
things play narratively too.
All of those things playnarratively, like him getting
the crap beat out of him as welltoo.
It's his ultimate superpower.
Yeah, but it is no.

(37:57):
His ultimate superpower is hisCatholicism actually.
But I'm telling you, the showitself, those first three
seasons, just operated off ofthat, like it was.
It wasn't violence for violencesake, and I have a I have this
fear that this show is just likethe Marvel.
You guys love that grittyviolence, like no, yeah, but not
.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's not the reason yeah, yeah, I guess that's my
only kind of the trailer kind offlagged that for me where I was
like there's a lot of.
I mean there's my only kind ofthe trailer kind of flagged that
for me where I was like there'sa lot of I mean there's a lot
of violent stuff but it's a lotof gratuitous, like a lot of
bones breaking A lot of soundeffects.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
The bones breaking.
That I'm just like all right,maybe don't do that, hopefully
as much, but narratively itlooks pretty strong.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It looks pretty great .
It looks solid.
I mean, there's something Istill feel like it got hit with
a dash of the Marvel lighting onthere too, probably Maybe to
keep it congruent with the restof the projects.
But there's going to besomething I missed from that
original three seasons.
Sure they look gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I love the.
I told you, one of the rawestshots ever that they've ever
done is Matt looking completelyunfazed by having a shotgun.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I know you said he's not looking, because what is he
seeing?
A?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
world on fire.
A shotgun to his head and he'sjust like whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I actually love.
You know what this also does.
They did a good job about.
Like this is prime Daredevilnow, like those first three
seasons weren't really like yearone, year two, year three.
Like this is like straightprime, like if you were to pick
up a Marvel comic right nowDaredevil maybe not now because
he's old now, but Foggy andKaren are back for a bit.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Karen got a little bit more in this trailer than
foggy did, which I guess fuelssome more of the theories.
Yeah, um, you know, I thinkthat's fine, like I really enjoy
that character.
I really enjoyed deborah ellenwall in that world.
Um, she annoyed me a little bitin the punisher but, um, I
think they kind of got away fromher a little bit in that in the

(40:04):
punisher speaking of thepunisher.
Um, we did get a little bit inthe Punisher, but I think they
kind of got away from her alittle bit.
In the Punisher Speaking of thePunisher, we did get a little
bit of a look at Crazy Hatchetswinging Frank Castle.
I assume he's also the onedeploying the smoke grenades in
the trailer, because smokegrenades don't strike me as a
daredevil weapon.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Maybe he's expanding finally?
No, isn't it going to affecthim way more if he uses a smoke
grenade?
Wait, he can't use a smokegrenade actually.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Daredevil throws a smoke grenade and he's like, oh
no, oh shoot my one weakness, no, my multiple weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
They're all happening at the same time.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So I imagine that was probably Frank throwing.
I mean, that's type A Punisheraura smoke, grenade deployment
guy, maniac walks in with abunch of machine guns, grunt oh
no, it's the Punisher.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Guys over under two and a half grunts screams out of
Bernthal on this, so under, oh,I think he's gonna get his, you
know the way you said Punishermade me think of the.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You're probably too young for the.
Uh, punisher made me think ofthe.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
You're probably too young for the Punisher video
game that came out.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
But in the opening mission you're like, you go
through like a crack house andthis guy is talking to his buddy
, maurice, and he's like Maurice, are you there?
And then you grab Maurice andhe goes hey man, you ain't
Maurice, you're the Punisher.
No one's the same energy.
Oh no, she got an Iron man suitand that's what that made me

(41:33):
think of.
Oh shit, you ain't Maurice,you're the Punisher.
I hope someone does that inDead and Born Again.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
No, it's got to be Turk.
That does it?
No, put Turk in this show man.
Oh no, you're the.
Punisher you gonna do me likethat D yo put Turk, I'm on
parole, man.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, so the Punisher I'm, you know.
Going back to the trailer, I'mcurious of what the Punisher's
deal is now that he's in the MCU, like, what has he been up to?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
maybe he got pulled from the Netflix universe and
dropped into the MCU and he'sjust like why is everybody
having so much fun?
Yeah, I want to murder someone.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's what he's here to punish is just too much fun.
The MCU itself.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh, Punisher, but he's a Herald of Galactus.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yo, now that he's in the MCU, give him the War
Machine armor.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yo whoever gave him the War Machine armor in the
first place, you idiots.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, but I'm curious of what like?
I guess the easiest answer isthat everyone got snapped and
he's just been punishing forfive years, or vice versa.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
He just got back.
No oh he'd be livid Yo ThanosDog.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh man, the Punisher versus Thanos, the Punishers,
the Quicksilvers, the.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Daredevils.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I did see someone saying like what if he teamed up
with Ronan in five years andthey just mowed down gangs
together?
Yo, that would be so hard.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
That'd be hard.
Yo put Jeremy Renner in thisshow.
I mean, speaking of that, wecan talk about that for a little
bit.
Anybody you think showing up inthis show, this has potential.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
There's got to be another defender in this thing.
Right, I think it's Luke Cage.
I'm Luke Cage.
I thought no, don't dab well,there was a Harlem's Paradise
poster, not poster billboard, inthis trailer.
Is this 9 episodes or 13episodes?
I think we'd know this by nowno, they kept fluctuating the
episodes.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Vanessa's back, I love it.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Original recipe Vanessa Daredevil warning again.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Why does it not say 9 episodes one of the best things
the MCU has done in the.
Why does it not say Nineepisodes?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Nine, one of the best things the MCU has done in the
Not in the but also the secondseason is going to start filming
this March, right, so they'regoing to go like bang bang, back
to back Like a TV show.
They might be able to get the,the second season, out next year
, next year, like a real TV show, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Like they can just do each year Next year Like a real
TV show.
Yeah, like they can just doeach year like a new season.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
That would be fantastic, like an actual TV
show.
That would be great.
Isn't that crazy guys?
We don't have to go seven yearsbetween seasons of shows.
That would be fantastic.
Yes, it's going to be what.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
No, I think a Defender or two is probably
going to show up in this, wasn'tJessica?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Jones supposed to show up?
Didn to show up in this?
Wasn't Jessica Jones supposedto show up, didn't?
We know that she was supposedto?
And then they say no, no, no,no.
Kristen Ritter's been talkingan awful lot about Jessica Jones
lately.
The only person they didn't askwas Finn Jones.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I still think he's going to come back at some point
.
I'm not going to beat a deadhorse about Shang-Chi 2.
That's the easiest layup tomake sure he's credible again.
But, luke, I think Mike Colteris the easiest one to bring back
.
He's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I gotta stop saying that what about?
Alright, this is an out thereone.
And maybe I'm Marvel?
Yeah, I want like an MCUcharacter.
Okay, maybe I'm Well, I wasn'teven gonna say an MCU character,
but maybe it's because I'mMarvel.
Rivals build, but Cloak andDagger.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yo, that dagger.
Yo, that would be awesome,that'd be sick.
They have x-men 97.
You beat me by one second.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I was gonna say subconsciously you were thinking
about x-men 97, but I've beensaying for a while that I wanted
to see those two come back,specifically those two actors as
colgan.
That's like an older cloak anddagger.
I got one how?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
how much does oscar?
How much for oscar isaac for anepisode as moon knight?
Don't tell me that wouldn't go.
A little moon knight, daredevil.
How much for Oscar Isaac for anepisode as Moon Knight?
Don't tell me that wouldn't go.
A little Moon Knight, daredevil, punisher, triumphant just
going crazy, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
That would be awesome .
Moon Knight works.
We do know that.
We know that.
A couple things we know we sawBullseye is back in this.
Wilson Bethel is back.
I'm unclear what Bullseye'srole is going to be in this?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Well, I guarantee you he might want.
I did have a theory about this.
I wonder if Matt's going to behelping Fisk for a little bit.
Protect him from Bullseye,Protect him in general, Like I
will bring you back.
You get these bad people offthe streets, End of story.
You get to be Daredevil again,but you just do my bidding.

(46:09):
And then Matt's going to belike wait, this is not good
actually.
And then by proxy Bullseye's.
Just like I want Fisk dead,like I want him dead for what he
did to me Bullseye's an issueman.
Yo, that's a balanced breakfast.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
He was throwing everything he could Yo breakfast
.
He was throwing everything hecould Yo Daredevil Season 3 goes
so crazy Snow globes, staplers,pencils, pencils that guy was
getting.
He literally threw the kitchensink at Matt.
I guess that guy was gettingtattooed.
That was crazy.
We know that Kamal Khan's dadis back in this.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
She doesn't really fit in the Daredevil universe,
the only thing that she does tofit in here is that she's from
Jersey City and she might havejust went on a school trip.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
She recruits him for the Young Avengers Punisher
shows up to kill Ms Marvel.
No, that would be great.
Punisher vs Ms Marvel.
Anyone from the I mean, theypretty much got everybody back
but anyone from theDaredevil-iverse that I want
back.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I mean, a weird one that I want back is Nobu.
No, nobu actually would be kindof cool, nobu would be kind of
cool.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
This trailer was lacking for ninjas.
Yeah, not a lot.
No, they're going to make himdo the.
Or is White Tiger going to be aninja?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, an RIP to the actor as well, too, who passed
away.
It's unfortunate he's not Ninjaadjacent, I guess.
It's unfortunate he's not goingto be able to be back in this
too.
However, I'm trying to thinkfrom that, madam Gao no, she's
old as heck.
Shang-chi.
No, he's not Daredevil adjacent.
I'm not going to lie, see.

(47:42):
That's why I'm like can youbring Finn Jones back and just
make him like, put him in theIron Fist suit.
What's so difficult about this?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
you know what this trailer didn't have, or this
show doesn't have that?
I'm stunned, and maybe they'resaving it for season 2, elektra.
I'm not stunned at all.
I'm a little surprised.
I'm not stunned.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I feel like they're waiting a little bit because
they want to get their feet backunder, because then they're
going to also have to explainhow is she alive?
You never have to explain thatwith Elektra, especially if
you're jumping from Netflix tothe MCU, because some people are
going to be like it's alright.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
They used Dragon Bones the last time.
There's no explanation thatthey can't work around.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Defenders is the craziest show because it mixes
Jessica Jones' real world PIstuff with Danny Rand's.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, but the best part of that is that they all
act within the confines of thelore of their own TV show.
Jessica Jones is like get lost.
What do you mean?
You're blind and you'reDaredevil.
Get out of here, Nice horns,idiot.
Luke Cage is just like I'm LukeCage, I'm bulletproof, I'm
bulletproof, I'm bulletproof.
Everyone's like Iron Fist, shutup.

(48:49):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Remember when Jameis from Dune was in the Defenders.
Sigourney Weaver was in that.
Yo, that was crazy dog.
I can't believe she was inthere.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Stick called the Iron Fist a thundering dumbass Bring
him back.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's who I want back Stick.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
You know what?
That's a great point.
Stick should be in this.
He died yeah, he died.
He got beheaded yeah, it'stough to come back from.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
But not impossible, but not impossible Not
impossible Stick comes back.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I spent my whole life believing in the impossible,
and then one day I?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
No.
No, don't give Stick his ownintro.
No, give Punisher his own intro, like classic CW voiceover
intro.
Yes, my name is Frank Castleand my family's dead.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
My bad man.
See, that's another thing.
Him and Hawkeye can bond over.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
What do you mean?
Oh well, okay.
So one of the last points Iwant to make, because I want to
run through the rest of the two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta stoptalking about Daredevil.
Because we're going to talkabout.
Daredevil a stupid amount untilwe get to the point.
Plenty of time to talk aboutDaredevil.
One of the best moments out ofthe multiversal saga was when
Monica came back after the snap.
Do you remix that scene withMatt coming back after?

(49:59):
Like with Matt, because didthey say he was alive during
that whole time or did he getsnapped?
They've never said.
I would kill for a scene forall of his senses going off when
half the world comes back allat the same time.
I would kill for that.
That would be such a crazyscene to kind of pull off
Sensory overload.
Yeah, he would get sensoryoverload.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
The Punisher would just be like another day in the
office.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yep.
More people to kill, More ofCentral City's finest for me to
slaughter?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
No you know, what would be actually funny for the
Punisher Is if he got snapped inthe middle of gunning down.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Like he got snapped in the middle of gunning down a
gang and then he came back to adifferent gang.
I thought you were going to sayinnocent people in a park.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
That would also be funny.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
No, he got snatched mid like machine gun firing.
I'm trying to like punish her.
Shoots up a kindergarten, no itcan't be a school shooter, the
original school shooter.
Many are saying no, that wouldbe pretty great.
He just comes back and he'sjust right back at it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I can't wait to see it, because they're going to do
the Oppenheimer thing with him,where he cuts his hair and then
he gets his suit back andthey're going to play the
Oppenheimer music too.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Oh, punisher, uh-huh.
Well, he's only appeared in theproper Punisher get-up once,
uh-huh, and it was at the end ofthe Punisher.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Season 2.
What was he wearing at the endof Daredevil Season 2?
It was close, but I don't thinkit was close.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
He had like a.
He had the jacket.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He looked more of like the Punisher movies than
anything.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, Whereas like the end of Punisher Season 2, he
had the long coat with the bigskull, the machine guns, hey.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Boy, they should have made the Punisher version.
Needless to say, we're veryexcited for Daredevil when it
comes out.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
It has consummate meme potential, and I don't know
why that makes me even moreexcited.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
The Last of Us.
We've talked about this plenty.
It's another thing that we'vetalked heaps about.
I think we even talked aboutthe trailer last week.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, we did, but new trailer that they dropped and
it showed off Abby a little bitmore.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I mean the show.
It's going to break everybody'sheart.
Yeah, it's going to becontroversial.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
You know what we're excited.
That's it.
I don't even really want to dipinto this one too much because
it's going to make me mad.
The fallout from whatever thisseason's going to be.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
We're going to be like we're going to be fighting
a battle um for quite a whilefor the entirety of this run.
You chose the wrong side, um,but yes, we are very excited for
the last of us, unabashedlylooks phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
This, this show looks .
The production value is justit's off the charts.
Yeah, craig maize and neildruckman, all the actors on the
show just you want to talk aboutstraight cooking like this is
what, this is what we're talkingabout.
And everybody shut up thatbella ramsey just shut up.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It's so crazy again that's like another stupid thing
that people are mad about.
I just I don't get it, um.
But yeah, this is another.
This is a shorter season sevenepisodes, um, purposefully, I
think, starting in april.
So there will be some last ofus daredevil crossover, yes, um,
obviously not coming out on thesame days because last of us
will be out on sundays.
But, um, yeah, I mean I'm not.

(53:19):
What else can I say?
This is, we're looking forwardto this, um, jeffrey, I'm
excited I keep saying this, butthe idea that they got jeffrey
right to come back, um,hopefully means that there's
going to be a lot of, a lot ofisaac, um wlf stuff going on, um
in in season two, which, again,like I said, that's, that's the

(53:41):
perfect grounding mechanism forum abby yep, so really, looking
forward to it.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yep, you gotta humanize her as much as you can
like.
If you can turn her into likethe most, like, I'm telling you,
man, give, give, find your mostcharismatic actor and cast him
dude, make her as lovable andmake that dynamic as lovable as
possible.
Have it get ripped right fromunder you.
And then you're like oh, wait aminute.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yep, yeah, that's 100% what you have to do.
Where do we now, where do wewant it?
Now?
The forum kind of opens up thatwe got those two things out of
the way.
Let's talk about Andor.
Yeah yeah, yeah, andor man, Ican't wait for this thing.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I'm so man.
I started kicking a few weeksago because I'm kind of
committed to.
Daredevil, for now also comesout in April.
At some point we're going tohave Andor, daredevil and Last
of Us running all at the sametime that's a good world to live
in.
That's a potent mix.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Get Steven Lang and Daredevil, by the way, doing
what I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Get them in there but I mean this Andor setup looks
very well done.
Get Steven Lang and Daredevil,by the way, I don't know Doing
what, I don't know Get them inthere.
But I mean this Andor setuplooks very well done.
I mean, the biggest thing thatyou're going to ask for out of
this too, is you're going towant, you've got to prove the
one-trick pony isn't real.
It's funny, because when you'reso strong narratively, it's A

(55:06):
when you're so strongnarratively and B when you come
the heck out of nowhere and bethat good.
Now you have a bit of a targeton your back, because then it's
going to ask is this only once?
Is this going to be?
But I just feel like, trust theprocess.
Who's the showrunner on this?
Tony Gilroy, yeah, tony Gilroy,the legend.
Just give Tonyilroy the legend,give.

(55:28):
Just give tony gilroy the keysto the castle as well too.
At lucasfilm, the absolute anabsolute legend man you want to.
Oh my god, I get chills talkingabout andor and I mean it was
the perfect contrast, becauseyou look at something like you,
look at something like theaccolade, and then you look at
something like andor and you'relike one of you has the things
that people like about star wars, but but the other one has the
message of what Star Wars is.
So why hasn't anybody been ableto figure out how to mix those

(55:51):
and I know I keep talking aboutit, but the Jedi game has
probably been one of the onlyones to mix those two like the
best it's been in the modern day.
Yep, and then I mean I mean ofcourse the only, the not only
challenge, but the biggestchallenge I would say this show
faces is obviously this is theseason that has to tie into

(56:12):
Rogue One, but what betterseason to do that than when?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
you have Ben Mendelsohn back.
Yep, ben Mendelsohn's comingback as Krennic.
We already know that Alan Tudykis coming in.
I guess would you say he'sreturning as K-2SO.
He's arriving as K-2SO, it's aprequel, but he's also returning
to the character.
So I don't know Semanticsthere's going to be.

(56:34):
It's going to be sectioned off,similar to season one, whereas
every three episodes is going tobe like a self-contained kind
of arc, and then the time isgoing to jump after every three,
which I think is probably thebest way to handle it as far as
getting it to bleed into RogueOne and I mean they laid a lot
of the character groundwork forCassian in Season 1, so I feel
like you can get away with that,with doing a time jump.

(56:55):
We kind of we get why afterSeason 1 of Andor, we understand
why he's doing what he's doing.
So now you can kind of just belike three episode arc, three
episode arc, three episode arc,three episode arc, row one yep,
and it'll make sense.
So I'm I'm really lookingforward to it um.
That show is back is luthan yep,some of I mean some of the best
writing that star wars has evergosh ever had, even the, even

(57:19):
the cast rolling throughoutthese episodes.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I mean, yeah, oh, like from you know evan moss
bachrock to you.
The biggest surprise cameo fromAndy Serkis, who delivered one
of the best monologues I've everheard.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Genevieve O'Reilly was great as Mothma Mm-hmm.
So even Buddy, the friggin'Deputy Inspector, guy Yep.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
He was really good and down to the kid that was in
End of the F-ing World.
Yeah, that monologue that hegave.
He did Star Wars.
He described Star Wars to the TWhere's Beaks, where's Beaks.
Forrest Whitaker was in this.
Yeah, he was, but he wasn't thebest he'd ever been.

(58:04):
Yeah, because he wasn't doing aweird voice.
Yeah, he the best he'd everbeen.
Yeah, because he wasn't doing aweird voice.
He was just sad about therebellion.
What was he doing in Rogue One?
I don't know.
Man Vocalic knows the truth.
It's still a good movie.
It's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
But what was he cooking?
What was Forrest Whitakercooking in that movie?
I don't know man.
So yeah, andor, I'm really,really excited for when else are
we going to go here?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Stranger Things.
Yeah, we can talk StrangerThings for a little bit.
I mean, this show is kind ofit's an interesting.
It's not only an interestingplace for the show, it's an
interesting place for Netflixtoo, because I find it so
mind-boggling that there's somuch time.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, people are kind of like at this point with
Season 5 of Stranger Things.
It feels like the consensus islike wrap it up, yep, like come
on.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Like we're kind of over this, Bobby.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Brown's married.
Yeah, like we're kind of overthis.
There's so much stuff that'shappened.
Yeah, this is.
It's a dangerous place and notdangerous in terms of the upside
down, it just shows in a reallytricky situation.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yep, I mean, you have so many things that can work
against us right now, the age ofthe the time is the biggest
offender here, Unfortunately forreal-world implication.
The second biggest offense iswhat's his name?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Noah Schnapp, it's Noah.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Schnapp.
These are some big things thatneed to be addressed because
that's immediately going to be atalking point as soon as the
season comes out.
People are going to want himkilled, that character killed
off, immediately, that's aproblem.
That's a big uphill battle, butI, I want to, I want to other,
you know, flip this the otherway, and squid games was kind of
the thing that I was just likepeople care about squid games

(59:57):
too.
It's been, it's been so long,and then it was the number one
most watched thing in netflixhistory.
I was like oh yeah, they stillcare, which tells me I think,
when this season comes out,people are gonna be like oh yeah
, we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Like yeah, as soon as we get like a proper trailer
and like the, the, oh my god, um, I think I think people will
turn around, but it just feelslike there's stranger things,
fatigue setting in, um, and Imean we talked about the season
four in one of our episodes.
It's the best season.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's phenomenal, it's the best that it's, that it's
like four in one kind of battle.
But I think four, four has thisdriving force that goes along
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
That, I think, really hammers it home.
It's the best.
It's the best any of them haveever been.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Oh, it's the, oh, the acting is off the charts from
everybody, from everybody Finn.
Off the charts from everybody,finn.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Wolfhard, let's not.
You know how I feel about thatcharacter.
Yeah, you really have beef withFinn Wolfhard no no, no, I have
beef with Mike Wheeler as acharacter.
I don't have beef with FinnWolfhard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, he's the most one-dimensional character to be
the main.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
He regressed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
He regressed from season one, and he was the main
character of that show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
He was probably the best that they've been.
Obviously, it got ashow-stealing performance from
Joseph Quinn.
David Harbour was as great asalways, the music was great as
always, but that story, thestory was tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Vekta easily the best villain they did the three-fold
reveal in the last episode, Iwas like my mind's being blown
right now.
This is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Vekta, a villain so good that he's returning for
season five, and that's notsomething that show does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
That show usually gets creative with what the next
thing is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, Vekta might be returning, eddie might also be
returning.
Well, it depends.
I mean, joseph Quinn's star hasascended astronomically since
he was in the show, so who knowsif he was even available?
Right, the guy's been busy.
Yeah, he has been busy.
Busy between major projects.

(01:01:57):
Yeah, I mean, he did A QuietPlace movie, he did Gladiator,
he's doing Fantastic Four, yep,so who knows?
So, yeah, stranger Things.
Like I said, it's in a trickyspot, but obviously once we get
that first trailer, all will beright, I think, and people will
be like oh no, actually the showis phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
You want to switch gears into some Game of Thrones?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yes, I would love to.
Yes, the third Game ofThrones-averse show, one that
I'm really looking forward to,in lieu of House of the Dragon,
will be coming out next year,2026.
So we're getting A Night of theSeven Kingdoms, which I'm
really looking forward to.
It's going to be shorter, onthe shorter side compared to all

(01:02:41):
the other shows.
This one's only going to be sixepisodes chronicling the story
of Duncan Egg, which is yourclassic guy takes a kid on a
journey story if it ain't broke,don't fix it if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
Um, and a lot of kind of unknownactors.
Um, which invokes historicallywhat the show, these shows have

(01:03:03):
done.
Um, it doesn't even have the.
It doesn't even have the.
What House of the Dragon andGame of Thrones had, which was
like the really notable person.
Game of Thrones had Sean Bean,obviously to buoy that first
season.
House of the Dragon had MattSmith and Risa Fonz, kind of
buoying, and Patty Considine insome circles, british circles

(01:03:26):
the show doesn't really havethat.
The show has a lot of uh, a lotof unknowns, a lot of british
actors and the perfect show toput jude law in dude.
That would have been great, um,but yeah, I'm looking forward to
it.
That universe is still great.
I mean, the production of allthese throne shows is
sensational and this show iscoming out in just as late 2025.

(01:03:52):
Which is fine.
It's obviously not going toclash with Last of Us.
No, it'll probably occupysimilar time frame.
That House of Dragons occupied,like that mid-summer Into.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
August or August into like September yeah, so I would
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I would expect that and I'm looking forward to it
more.
More Thrones is always a goodthing and that movie is coming,
which I still haven't wrapped myhead around that should we dip
into some of the Marvel stuff wecan we can talk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Do you want to save Marvel for last?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I guess we can.
We can talk more you.
Do you want to save marvel forlast?
I guess we can save marvel forlast because it's got the most
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, we can.
I mean I'll just throw it.
I'll throw an interesting oneon you.
I kind of want to talk percyjackson season yeah, I
definitely want to, for surethat was super, I mean, and we
kind of saw from the firstpromos and the first trailers
for for season one like and I am, I was such a big percy jackson
kid growing up that that thatone meant something.
This means something to me justhow I imagined.
I think about it this way, thesame way when you were watching

(01:04:52):
Harry Potter growing up, that'sliterally exactly how I felt.
Watching Percy Jackson, thatfelt like it felt tried and true
.
Walker Scoble I mean he is he'son the ascent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
He's going to be great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I'm not going to be surprised if one of these major
studios pick him up to dosomething as well too, and it's
the same thing as Harry Potter.
We're going to see this storykeep evolving and keep
progressing and add morecharacters.
They already added Tyson intothe season for Sea of Monsters,
because that's what they'redoing, and I love the the
approach.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Each season is one of the books like so a great way
to adapt a, a novel series right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
So obviously we're going to dip into sea of
monsters and then, like, by thetime we get to the next season
for season three because, uh,that season came out, what 2023,
2025, so 2027 you're lookingabout, they're going to be like
18 19 by that time.
Like that's when you can startto like you're gonna do titan's
curse and like that's when thatfranchise starts to really kind

(01:05:49):
of flip a little bit and likeyou kind of feel the weight of
like the olympian which istypical for for a young adult
book series um.
The third one is where umalfonso cuaron said what if we
did cinema in the, in the highrepotter movie?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
so yeah, yeah, that's typically what happens with
these young adult series.
Is the first couple are.
You know, these things age upwith their audience.
Which is the best way to do it?
Um, obviously, again, this isanother series that's marred by
an unfortunate passion of abeloved actor, um lance riddick,
and we even said it when wewatched it we're god what I
would have given to get it's oneof those performances that's so

(01:06:23):
like striking well yeah, lanceriddick just had a presence.
Man, yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It's one of those ingenious pieces.
Lance Riddick as Zeus issomething you wouldn't overtly
think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Recast with Courtney B Vance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
That's a great recast .
Legendary television actor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Probably maybe most known For being Angela Bassett's
husband Winning Primetime Emmyprobably maybe most known For
being Angela Bassett's husband,For being Angela Bassett's
husband Winning Primetime Emmyfor Outstanding Lead Actor in a
Limited Series, where heportrayed Johnny Cochran in the
People vs OJ Simpson, which he'sfantastic in.
He also won the Emmy forOutstanding Guest Actor in a

(01:07:03):
Drama Series in Lovecraft,Pantry.
Oh my God, yeah, and like yousaid, he is married to Angela
Bassett.
So, yeah, I think again recastsI can't imagine a tougher job,
honestly, for both the actorbeing inserted into the role and
for the casting director.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
It's a tough job, man .
We didn't even talk about therumor that T'Challa's possibly
going to be recast in the MCUand they're looking for somebody
to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I don't know if we're clear, if it's going to be a
recast or if it's going to bethe son aged up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
It all depends, because at this point you're
going to have to.
You would do the son aged up.
No, I feel like that's the onlyit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
It's just a shame that we talked ad nauseum for
Black Panther 2, how goodLetitia Wright was, so just, I
don't know, and it's one ofthose things where, if you go
online and you'll see, I see somuch hate for Black Panther 2,
and I've never.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I don't get it.
It's almost like they didn'twatch the same movie that we
watched.
I find it so insane every timeI see that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, it's pretty wild, but yeah, going back to
Percy Jackson, yeah, I'm reallylooking forward to it.
Yeah, the trio of kids thatthey have are great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
They're great together.
Obviously, disney has toallocate budget so many
different places and obviouslythere's two factions that get
the get the brunt of it.
Three, if you want to countlike your, if you want to count
like your Disney princess kindof portion of everything and
like their live action remakesof everything.
So, like the more this show issuccessful, like the more like

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resources are going to get putinto it.
So like the budget's going togo up.
It's only going to help thisshow too.
But this show gets carried bygood performances.
I love the relationship betweenhim and his mother in the first
season.
It was really well done too,and the show has stakes.
I love that.
That's one piece that I loveRemember in season one where
Poseidon shows up and I'm like,wow, I actually felt that he did

(01:09:03):
and it's such a switch becauseit's like no, no, no, percy, I
do actually care about you, I dolove you.
It's not that simple, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Imagine if Lance Reddick was your uncle.
It'd be great.
I would love that Invincible.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah, invincible's got some making up to do and a
funny way of thinking about it.
For sure they have some gracesto get back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
We're getting that show in a month.
Yeah, less than a month.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
We're going to get Invincible.
We're getting that show in twoweeks.
We are getting it in two weeks.
Yeah, so you're going to haveInvincible, daredevil, last of
Us and or possibly all runningat the same time, depending on
Invincible's how many episodesthey have.
Let's say, invincible has nineepisodes, eight episodes.

(01:09:54):
It's probably going to bearound like we might get a week
where it's like five differentshows at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Yeah, but no to your point.
I think we both really likeseason two, but it also was just
marred.
That break crushed that showman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
And that second season had some real energy and
pace to it, like kind of thereveal they were waiting on from
season two.
I was like, wow, we really gotsome energy going into this one
man.
And then just a break out ofnowhere, like something had to
have happened.
Yeah so man, to have happened.
Yeah so man.

(01:10:29):
It was such a derailment too,and wasn't something else
running at the same time thateverybody kind of took their
attention off of it.
Wasn't Ahsoka, was it?
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
It was yeah, they were both working at the same
time and Ahsoka had the aura ofStar Wars over it.
Had the aura of Star Wars andof the Clone Wars yeah.
Like the Clone Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
You know, like you bring Hayden Christensen back,
it's like dang dude, like youhad us man, yeah, but I think
they can make up for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, I mean, the quality of Invincible is second
to none.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
That didn't drop from season two, it's just the train
and the energy just left.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I mean, that finale is an all-timer.
That finale is nuts.
I thought you were stronger.
That's an all-timer.
That's a finale that peoplewill remember.
We're going to get properlyinto the Invincible multiverse
stuff which is great.
You thought that story couldn'tget crazier.
It does get crazier.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It does get crazier.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
What did Spider-Ham say in Spider-Verse?
It does get weirder.
It does get weirder.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Just to rapid fire a few non-franchise shows before
we dip into the Marvel area ofall the shows.
Severance Season 2 just started, just kicked off 100% on Rotten
Tomatoes.
This is apparently one of thebest seasons of television from
the people that have seen it,yep.
Um, I expected nothing lessfrom that, from from Ben Stiller
and from that cast and fromthat show runner.

(01:11:54):
Like severance is such thislightning in a bottle like
interesting cons, like it's thedefinition of pulling off an
interesting concept of.
Like somebody wrote on theircomputer 20 years ago and never
got.
Like that is the best versionof it.
So I'm so glad this show issuccessful.
Like I'm gonna die on the hillthat apple tv's television
department is just on someotherworldly movement.

(01:12:16):
Um, you go to foundation.
You go to ted lasso.
You go to severance.
Um, you go to shrinking.
Yeah, you go to godzilla.
Like they have some phenomenaltelevision rocking.
Yeah, the studio that was onethat I saw the trailer and I was
immediately in on that.
I mean A24 produced Comedyseries, comedy series, but I

(01:12:40):
feel like it's going to have alot of dramedy in it.
To the comedy yeah, I wouldn'tbe surprised.
Seth Rogen looks incredible.
I'm not going to be surprisedif he makes a run at an emmy as
well too.
That's how good that looked toolike a real live, look like a
satire real life.
It's like, it's like, it's likesuccession, but the but
hollywood, which I reallyappreciate.
So, um, katherine han is inthis phenomenal, phenomenal idea

(01:13:01):
.
Yeah, um, I'm gonna die on my,my wicked rant real quick.
Wicked Love, wicked.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I thought you said Wicken.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
No, oh, I mean, it's because Catherine Han has to do
with this.
I love Michelle Yeoh.
I love Michelle Yeoh so much.
I think Michelle Yeoh is onlyin Wicked because she was
Michelle Yeoh in 2022.
You know who would have beenbetter?
I forget her character's name.
You know who would have beenbetter as I forget her
character's name if CatherineHan would have played Michelle

(01:13:30):
Yeoh's character in Wicked, someotherworldly movement would
have happened in a movie thatwas already incredible.
That's my Wicked rant for theday.
Chad Powers with Glenn Powell.
That was one that popped upthat I'm really keen to check
out.
That's going to be one of thosenon-shows that I'm like week to
week.
This is the funniest thing thatI was that I was really keen to
check out.
Like that's going to be one ofthose non shows that I'm like
wow, I'm like week to week, I'mgoing to be like this is the

(01:13:50):
funniest thing that I'm watchingright now.
Like a lot of people are goingto be into that as well, too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Simple concept.
They took the Eli Manning whenhe went to the um, when he went
to the Penn state practice andhe was outplaying everybody
Incredible.
And then Glenn Powell's goingto give a good performance like
he always does.
Of course, and then I'll finishoff with, obviously, this is I
love Daredevil.
This, truthfully, is my mostanticipated show of the year.

(01:14:15):
It's the Bear, season 4.
I think it is otherworldlytelevision.
I will still bold stick claimit Once it's all said and done.
This is going gonna getmentioned in the same breath as,
like your sopranos and likeyour, your long form, running tv
shows like this is some of thebest television you will ever
find I agree point blank.

(01:14:35):
It is absolutely incredible.
It is it's it's crass, it'sit's fast paced, but also it's
it's somber.
It is like some of those dramascenes that they have in the
bill like I love how the bearseason.
One's like it's somber, some ofthose drama scenes that they
have in the, I love how the BearSeason.
One's like it's this comedyabout these.
And then you're like wait,where'd the comedy go?
The comedy's gone.
Wait a minute, where's thecomedy you guys were talking

(01:14:58):
about?
You're talking about one of thebest leading men in Hollywood
right now from a characterperspective, future Star Wars
actor.
It's so weird.
Um, I mean Jeremy Allen Whiteas Carmi Berzato is.
Just, it is one of the singlebest performances that I've ever
seen in my entire life and italways will be.

(01:15:18):
Until the day that I die, thatperformance will always ring
true to me.
So let's talk Marvel.
Let's stop talking about goodtalent.
No.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I?
Let's talk Marvel, let's stoptalking about good talent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah, let's talk about whatbrought us to the dance Eyes of
Wakanda has the potential to bereally cool.
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I think that show's got a little bit of sign me up
for anything that Ryan Coogler'sinvolved with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yep, I keep saying that it's got a little bit of
something in that something, ifyou know what I mean, like it's
got a little bit of some energyto it.
Yep, I agree.
I think that's also a goodexample of let the creators cook
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I feel like they let them, kind of like you guys, do
what you gotta do BlackPanther's in such a wild spot in
the MCU because it does feellike almost separate from
everything else.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yeah, and it might work to the advantage.
I can see this playing as likea more serious, not serious.
Chris Williams is in this, I'min.
It's the best show ever.
Next, it's the best show everMarvel Zombies.
Tvma's Marvel Zombies.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, four parts.
They're going to release thisthing around Halloween, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Sure, sure.
If you don't have a Halloweenthing to do, I guess Marvel
Zombies makes the most sense youhave to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I mean, where else are you gonna put it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
it's like a weird what if?
Adjacent thing.
Yeah, just, it's the last ditcheffort of what if one day we'll
talk about.
What if we might have to talkabout, what if season three at
some point?
yeah I guess we should.
You can't do what ifs aboutunderdeveloped characters.
I think that's the number onegripe I have with that season.
Those characters wereundercooked before you did
what-if scenarios for them.
Yeah, right, so you got Eyes ofWakanda.

(01:16:55):
You got Marvel Zombies, yourfriendly neighborhood Spider-Man
, which comes out in a week,yeah, and that first trailer.
I'm like it was literally likefirst you had my curiosity, but
now you have my attention LikeI'll tune in.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
They could have some fun.
Yeah, I mean, as far asanimation goes, I mean obviously
X-Men 97 is the gold standard,right, that's like the spectrum
they're on, it's like X-Men 97,and then, like, I mean, I guess
they've really only done likeX-Men 97, and what?
If so, obviously you want tostart filling out that spectrum.
I expect Eyes of Wakanda to becloser to the X-Men 97 quality,

(01:17:32):
just because of Ryan Coogler'sinvolvement.
He developed and executiveproduced it.
So I feel like it's going to bereally great.
I would expect Marvel's obviousto probably be somewhere in the
middle, sure, sure, and thenthe Spider-Man series it could
be on that higher spectrum.
I think, um, you know, if it'sjust a fun kind of alternate

(01:17:55):
universe, is it an alternate?
I don't know it has to be rightnot necessarily because we can't
have.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, nico menorah kind of ruins the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I mean Daredevil also kind of ruins the whole thing
also Does it?
Who said Peter didn't run intohim?
The Norman Osborn thing is kindof wild.
Is it because he's black?
No, I think Coleman Domingo is.
I think Coleman Domingo shouldjust be Norman Osborn.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I said the same thing as soon as the guy said wait,
just also make him just MCU.
Norman Osborn.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Peter Parker, 15-year-old freshman in Midtown
High School, gains spider-likeabilities.
It doesn't really say anythingabout.
It says Norman Osborn isParker's mentor and man in the
chair.
Chairman noted that Norman isnot a hero like Tony Stark and
his methods may not turn out ineveryone's best interest.
Nico Minoru, harry Osborn, ottoOctavius yeah, apparently

(01:18:59):
Doctor Strange is in this too.
Amadeus Cho is in this thing.
That's pretty cool.
Speed Demon is in this.
What Venom is apparently inthis?
Best's pretty cool.
Speed demon is in this.
What venom is?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
apparently in this best show ever, let it be tom
hardy too jerks uh, iron man isin this, kirk connors is in this
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
uh, scorpion rhino cool, um.
So okay.
So we're getting the first twoepisodes on the day, then the
week after we're getting thefirst two episodes on the day,
then the week after we'regetting the next three episodes,
then the following threeepisodes after that and then the
final two.
So it's going to be quick mathstwo, three, five, eight, ten
episodes within four weeks.

(01:19:40):
Okay, interesting release modelit is, but I think for animated
I think that works.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
You kind of play with animated a little bit more than
you can live action yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
X-Men 97 was a special case where that show was
so good and the hook at the endof every episode was like I
gotta see the X-Men.
You can't do this to me.
So, yeah, I think that show,I'm excited for that show.
Live action.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah, let's talk about Wonder man first, because
we have the least of it, we havealmost nothing.
But so I guess the rumor isthat this is going to be like a
satire show, uh-huh.
But like, listen, didn't wekind of think that, okay, if
you're going to do the satirething again, don't

(01:20:26):
overcomplicate it.
You can approach it as thesatire, but still make him
Wonder man, still give him theWonder man powers.
Still do Grim Reaper, still doall of those things.
Yes, don't run away from itjust to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah, don't make the whole thing a satire.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
He's just making a show about being a superhero.
No, no, no, make him actual,like and don't make like because
they can do it like it's just atv show, but his brother's an
actual serial killer in reallife named the no, no, do the
comic book stuff.
Don't back out now like.
Make him actual simon williams.
Throw him in the love trianglewith vision and scarlet witch
too.
I'm not gonna lie.

(01:21:05):
Yeah, yeah, i'm-mateen pulledup on me like that and that
happened, and like I'd be likebro, you gotta leave because I
can't have you coming on to mygirl like that.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Vision would have to kill him.
Actually, you have a bonafidepotential superstar.
Yeah, you do Now in your stable.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
And what's the MCU kind of looking for right now?
You're looking for like someabsolute star power to a movie
level too.
Like you put Simon Williamslike Yahya Abdul-Mateen.
Simon Williams, like that guycan garner some looks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Yeah, he's also going to be in the.
He's also the lead in the manon Fire reboot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
That's good, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Guy Abdul-Mateen in Star Wars.
See that guy playing a heck ofa Sith yeah, that'd be great.
I'm looking forward to seeingmore of that show yeah, and what
it's actually going to be,because I think he's great.
Evan Peters is in this showyeah, and Ben Kingsley is in
this yeah, remember when BenKingsley was playing Gandhi and
he was in Schindler's List.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Now he's in Wonder man on Disney+.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Now he's in Wonder man.
Hollywood comes at you fast.
Good for him, though I guesswe're going to kind of end on.
Ironheart.
Yeah, I mean, I guess this isthe kind of besides Daredevil,
this is the one that is the most, maybe not most anticipated,

(01:22:30):
but it's the most like, uh,intriguing, sure, in the sense
that there's a lot of movingparts with this with this show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Well, I told you what I think my theory was is that
this movie or the show wasalways supposed to have kang in
it, like this show was alsoalways supposed to have jonathan
majors be, like the, the truevillain of the show.
That would make sense.
And they had to supposed tohave Kang in it.
This show was also alwayssupposed to have Jonathan Majors
be the true villain of the show.
That's why this show.
They shot this show years ago.
This show's been shot for thelongest time.
It just never came out.

(01:22:58):
We were like why?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
The character hasn't been seen in three years.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
I genuinely think it's because Kang was supposed
to be.
Victor Timely was in LokiSeason 2.
Because Kang was supposed to belike because Victor Timely was
in Loki season two, who was itgoing to be?
It was going to be.
What's his name it was going tobe?
I forget his CEO version ofhimself.
Who knows?
He's got all the variants.
What's the funniest variant?
He could have been to goagainst Remy Williams, the

(01:23:26):
Egyptian one, oh my god, ramatut.
Imagine they accidentally likemix, because then you know that
informs a whole bunch of stuff.
I know we talked about thislike the easiest layup was to do
, like if you could do a mortisein something you can like, you
can do.
Obviously Ramatut would havebeen the perfect counter for
Moon Knight and all thosepantheonic gods of like wait,
they're not actually using magic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
That's technology.
Kanji was like hang on a second, that's not magic, mark.
Mark, kick his ass.
Mark, he's got tech.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I can't do that, he's kicking my ass, Kanji he's
using my own Moon Knight weaponsagainst me.
Now he's Molly weapons Kanji'slike well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I told you to do it and you didn't.
If you die, Mark, I can justbring you back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
With your other consciousness, because you have
trauma.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, that was all Moon Knight was.
That was a fun show.
I don't care what anyone says.
They had us in the first half.
I like that show.
I like Khonshu.
I like what he's about.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Khonshu really doesn't play games.
That's not his MO.
No, he's just a prick.
He is.
He's the worst.
He's actually like a jerk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the worst.
That's the worst I know, butthat's the best thing about him.
He's just unabashedly like aprick.
He's just a mean guy.
He's like where's Mark?
Get out of here, yeah.
Get lost fooling Stupid.
They're like whoa, get out ofhere, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
You're a figment of his imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
No, I'm not, no, I'm not.
By the way, jake Lockley's alsohere.
Yeah, he's my favorite MoonKnight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Yeah, because he'll murder anybody.
I ask him to no questions asked.
He's the most broken.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Imagine Frank Castle as Moon Knight no dude, yo.
How come Contra didn't look atFrank Castle Like Ghost Rider?
Spirit of Vengeance should belike.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Galactic should come down andbe like Listen, at the end of
the day, as long as I can givethis guy some power, cosmic.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
The Spirit of Vengeance would love to make
Frank Castle Ghost Rider.
No, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
He'd be afraid of him .
Don't you think that's a littletoo much?
Isn't that a too much vengeance?
Is there such a thing as toomuch vengeance in the Spirit of
Vengeance?
What were we talking about,ironhide?

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay anyway, because we were
talking about Kang, we gotdistracted.
Riri Williams yeah, I like her.
I like Dominique Thorne a lotAgain.
I just don't think she shouldhave been in Black Panther 2.
That was a studio insert.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Of course, that was a studio insert by far.
And here's this weird subplotLike Namor being like.
Get me that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
American scientist from Marvel Comics.
Immediately it did give us therawest visceral reaction that
I've ever gotten out of a crowd.
That subplot is when Atumapulls Okoye into the spear and
everyone went ooh yeah, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Yo, that was crazy, yo, they were cooking it.
How do you watch that movie?
And you're like it was no.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
That final fight scene is tremendous.
Oh my god, Between Namor andShuri.
It's great.
Anthony channel favorite,Anthony Ramos is in this movie,
Yep as the hood Twister's legend, Anthony Ramos.
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Anthony Ramos.
Lin-manuel Miranda's,hamilton's Anthony Ramos.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
He's good at everything.
Yeah, he is, he is.
I'm a big fan.
Alden Einreich is in this andhe's not playing Obadiah's son,
no, he's playing JoeMcGillicuddy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yeah, he's playing Iron man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
He's playing Obadiah's son.
Yeah, don't play.
Iron man Sacha Baron Cohen isin this.
Oh, that's right, I forgotabout that.
Well, he's going to be.
Don't say he's playing Mephisto.
We're not doing Mephisto talkagain.
We're not doing this.
What if he is, though?
Not this time, and that's?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
who's informing the hood?
Mephisto, yeah, because isn'tthis whole show supposed to be
science versus Science versus,or technology versus magic?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Where's Agatha Harkness?
What's she doing?
Why is the Hood the villain ofthis?
Why not?
Who else is it going to be?
Iron man, evil, iron man, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Invincible Iron man from another universe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Superior Iron man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Oh my God, he would have just murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Riri, I think that leans more to your Kang point,
though that Kang was supposed tobe in this, because he's kind
of like a mixture of mysticismand science.
I mean, he's mostly science,but there's a little bit of
mysticism in there, whateverThor was yapping about in Thor 1
.
You know who Mysterio shouldhave been in this, are you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
saying that because of what If?
Or are you saying that ingeneral?
In general, that would havebeen fun, I mean, I think that's
why they did that.
What if?
Like that?
Because they are kind of twoTony Stark adjacent counters to
each other, like one's the evilhalf of I hate you and the other
one's fangirl I love you.
So it kind of works.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, I think this show could be good, though it's
a treat it looks pretty decentLike look wise.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Like it does look pretty decent, which I was kind
of worried about it actuallylooks polished, don't Iron man?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
3.
This either.
Have her in the suit for mostof it.
Sure sure Like let her just doIronheart stuff.
Yeah, why not?
They gave her like an Iron man1 looking suit right In this.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Well, my fear is that they're going to.
It's the same fear I have forCaptain America.
That like, hey, can we notforget who the main character of
this thing is, because I knowyou're trying to do some stuff,
but don't forget.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
I guess that's a good point, like how much of how
much Tony Stark is going to bein this, not like obviously not
the character, don't?
He's not doing it.
He didn't come back as DoctorDoom just to do Ironheart.
That would be the funniestthing.
He actually did do Ironheart.
I'm so passionate aboutIronheart.
He said I'll be Doctor Doom,but you gotta put me in

(01:28:54):
Ironheart first.
Yeah, yeah, really.
He's like yeah, he's like Ifucking love Ironheart.
Now here's a character that'sjust you don't want to show up
in Armor Wars.
He's like nah, no, donCheadle's like that was my
friend man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
You know who the villain should be Don Cheadle.
No Funnier Skrull Don Cheadle.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
No, keep going.
Nick Fury, terrence Howard.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Oh my god, terrence Howard should have played the
Hood.
No, Terrence Howard should haveplayed an alternate universe
war machine, or maybe Rodi's thealternate, or maybe Don
Cheadle's the alternate universeWar Machine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
One Million Scrolls.
Talos, I don't know mine.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
That's my bad mind.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
If that bridge wasn't completely burned, I could see
a world where Terrence Howardwould be back in the MCU at some
point.
Yeah, but that bridge gotburned.
Man, that would have beenhilarious if he would have came
back as Doctor Doom and snipedit from Robert Downey Jr Takes
off the mask and it's DarrenTowers.
Hall H goes crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Possibly more crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
But no, I think, ironheart, I'm looking forward
to it.
I do wonder how much of theBlack Panther stuff is going to
be incorporated into the show.
I hope like 1%.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
I hope it's as least as possible.
And again to your point, sheshould have never been in Black
Panther.
Yeah, because like it takesaway the punch of, like it takes
away the Kamala Khan punch thatyou got out of the first
episode of Ms Marvel also didn'tshe give the suit back?
Well, she's going to make herown suit.
But again, the point I'm making, it takes away the punch of

(01:30:32):
Miss Marvel getting her firstdebut in Miss Marvel.
It took away that initial punch, like that charismatic punch.
You can get it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Because she's just going to do Ironheart anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
But like I trust Dominic Thor back to be like
she's really good, so I feellike she can make up for it as
well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Oh shit, you ain't Maurice, you're the Punisher,
you're Ironheart, you're notIronman.
No, do the line from BlackPanther 2.
Oh shit, she got an Ironmansuit.
I love that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
That's the craziest guy in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, I'm really curious about what's gonna.
Is she gonna talk about that atall?
Has she fought?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Namor.
Well, she gets kicked out ofschool, right, that's the thing
she gets expelled.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Yeah for doing Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she got back and they were in her
dorm room.
The Dean was in her dorm roomshaking his head.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
She didn't want to go to Wakanda.
She didn't want to go toWakanda.
You can Wakanda forever.
Your ass right out of MIT.
The Dean is returning.
The Dean's a returningcharacter.
What, yeah, from CaptainAmerica Civil War, that was the
Dean.
I just thought that was a guy.
No, that was the Dean of MIT.
That wasn't the Dean of MIT.
You mean the guy that was inCommunity yeah, that was

(01:31:45):
interrupting.
That was introduced to TonyStark.
That wasn't the Dean of MIT.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
He was overshadowed by Tony Stark's aura.
No, he wasn't the dean of theschool.
Yes, he was.
He was just a guy.
No, he was the dean of theschool, yo, you being the dean
of the most prestigious schoolin America.
And then Tony Stark walking by,you're like hey, I had an idea
for a toaster that does.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Imagine Downey does show up.
He's not going to well, hecould do the little voice
hologram thingy, isn't that?
The whole thing about ironheart, though, is that yes, he's her
jarvis.
Yes, so they gotta.
Are they gonna do anything withthat?
Are they gonna do anything?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
with her and tony, no , no, and that you, I mean
obviously reaver wasn't acharacter in 2013.
I can't remember when shedebuted in comics.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
It's 2016.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, so she wasn't a character in 2013.
But obviously Disney Pluswasn't a thing until 2019, 2020.
So obviously you couldn't doanything like that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
You know what you could do to tie it into Iron man
, though you could make her kindof like a recipient of whatever
that scholarship was thatPepper made.
I mean, I don't know if Gwynethwould show up, because she
doesn't seem to care.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
No, she doesn't even think that's a real thing.
I don't even think she knowsthe MCU is running.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I don't know if they called her and were like hey, do
you want to come back as Pepper?
And she went who, who's PepperPotts?
Never heard of that characterin my life.
Send me a script, I want toread it.
So like I do wonder if, likethey would incorporate Pepper as
a way of like kind of makingher like adjacent to Tony in
some way.
I don't think so at.

(01:33:27):
Maybe you wouldn't doubt.
Yeah, wouldn't doubt.
Favreau was always down.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
I do like that idea of her being a recipient of the.
Of the scholarship yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
That would make total sense.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
My dead parents scholarship Pfft Um.
My parents are deceased.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
So I mean, fandom wise, the most anticipated thing
here is Daredevil, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Easily, easily.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Easily man.
I can't believe we made it allthe way here with Daredevil.
We really did.
We really did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
I'm going to go home.
I can't wait to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
As soon as.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
I go home, I'm going to watch more Daredevil.
I can't wait to go back andjust chronicle the journey of
that show how much of a real Gare watch Daredevil or are you
going to watch everything?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Everything.
What Like the Defenders stuffyou got to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
I would love to.
I might just watch Daredevil,but I'll watch the Defenders
because he's in it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
It is wild that, like what you're saying about the
Defenders, how like no, you madethe best point.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Like they're all doing.
They're all doing their ownbits, but there's no crossover
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
No, even down to the color palettes.
Right, when Luke Cage shows up,everything is yellow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
It was all yellow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
And they start throwing in the hip-hop music
and everything and I'm like whatis going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Man remember Luke Cage, season two, when Iron Fist
shows up and I said, guys, guys, just look over here for one
second, just do that as a show,is that not?

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
so I can't believe they haven't done anything like
that yet.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
It's the most insane thing, and that was.
It was by far the best.
Finn Jones had been by far thebest.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah, it was like a totally different person.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
That was finally Danny Rand.
I was just like you guysfigured it out.
He's got the.
Why does the Iron Fist not workfor both seasons?
It doesn't look like just lethim be Iron Fist.
This is crazy.
That's like if they madeShang-Chi.
They're like don't get the TenRings actually, even though it's
in the name, don't do Kung Fuactually.
Don't do Kung Fu.
You're the master of what,maybe for five minutes out of
the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
He forgot how to do martial arts halfway through and
the whole movie was about himlearning to do martial arts
again.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Do they have to?

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
put the song in the movie At the end, when he's
fighting his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
That's a totally different movie.
If that happens, there's no wayI could go on YouTube and see
if they put Kung Fu fightingover Shang-Chi right.
Someone must have, let's see,keep talking about things.
I'm gonna find this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I don't have any more things.
We talked about all the thingswe did talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
We did chronicle that this episode was gonna be a
long one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
We talked about every TV show Ever Ever made.
We really did?

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
We talked about the Wire somehow this week.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
The Wire really did.
We talked about the wiresomehow this week.
The wire um shang chi.
Remember shang chi.
I remember that movie came outand we were like, wait, this
movie's good.
And then that character wasnever seen again.
I found it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
There is one yeah, I can't wait to watch it after,
after we finish.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
But yeah, what I is that like one of marvel's
greatest failures of the ofmultiversal saga.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
yeah, like the one movie that felt like a phase one
movie that was like, and I hearall this stuff and like the
Captain America promos are likewe can't wait to get back to the
old way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I'm like no.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Shang-Chi actually felt like the old Marvel feel.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
That literally actually felt like it, it was
like a proper origin movie.
The action was so great, it waslike a proper origin movie.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
And then we just never saw that character again.
The action was so great, it wastight and I kept making the
point and I'll still hold by itlike it has one of the most
forgivable big CGI battlemonster.
Whatever, like it's the mostforgivable one.
One of the best antagonists, ohWenwu was phenomenal.
Tony Leung was just.
He was cooking in this movie.
Sima Liu himself was good.

(01:37:11):
Awkwafina was good in thismovie.
Somehow, why don't you keepMichelle Yeoh's good in this
movie?
Keep going, don't do more.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
It's so crazy that that character just vanished.
He joined the Avengers at theend of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I feel like this was one of
the easiest layups where youjust unless shit, unless Captain
America 4 ends and there's apost credit scene with all the
Avengers and he's there.
Makes sense and then theThunderbolts is like.
Ross is like I hate thoseAvengers.
You all are the Avengers nowand they're like, oh, alright
one Avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
This Captain America is black, another guy is Chinese
.
Get these Avengers out of myface, not my.
Avengers, not my Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Get me John Walker instead.
One of them is a She-Hulk Notmy Avengers Hashtag, not my
Avengers.
One of them is just a woman.
This stinks.
I hate these Avengers, saysThaddeus Ross.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
I hate these Avengers .
Get me John Walker instead.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Wait, sir, she's a Russian assassin.
I don't care, I care.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
You had me at Russian .
You had me at Russian.
I'm in.
She's an Avenger now.
She's an Avenger.
She's not a She-Hulk, she's nota woke Hulk.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
That's what the that's what whatever?
Avengers 5 that's part of thestoryline actually, when sam's
going to do his avengers thing.
They're the woke avengersactually.
Oh man, what if they makeDoctor Doom a bigot and that's
the whole sell of the wholething.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
No, Doctor Doom is staunchly anti-bigotry.
Didn't you watch X-Men 97?

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
No, that was crazy.
Bastion was laying out the planand Doctor Doom was like nah
dude, this is crazy, I can't dothis.
What if he killed all themutants?
Whoa yo, he's like nah dog,that's messed up.
You know how evil you have tobe for Doctor Doom To be like yo
.
That's messed up.
I only want to kill Reed.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Richards, specifically Reed Richards.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Does your plan have a plan to kill the Fantastic Four
?
Not specifically.
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
This is stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
I want to kill my college rival Reed Richards.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
If you don't have a plan in here that can kill a
stretchy guy, I'm out, freezehim.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Yo, I'm not gonna lie , he's cooking in that original
Fantastic Four movie.
Oh, we have to talk about thosemovies soon.
Those movies aren't as bad aseverybody.
I haven't watched those moviesin years.
I watched them at the end of Iwatched them in like October I
think it's been legit yearssince I've seen that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
I'm not gonna.
They are not as bad aseverybody wants them to be,
although I did see a clip theother day on TikTok of I forget
I think it might have been thesecond.
It was the second one becauseit's when Reed stands up to the
Army General guy and he's likeoh to him, what's his name that
passed away.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Don Don't talk to my team like that and I'm like he
was kind of a good Reed Richards, I'm not going to lie.
He was like he had that littlebit of.
He had like a dash of coldness.
It should have been him inMultiverse of Madness.
Oh, 100%, 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I love John Krasinski , but I'm still cool.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
I still have a feeling that he's going to show
up in first steps Like I thinkthey're good.
If you can find a way tosomehow convince Miles Teller to
come back, that would be aninsane council of Reeds to have
Yohan Griffin, john Krasinski,miles Teller and Pedro Pascal.
Like, everybody would lose it,if that happened.
It's John.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Krasinski, but he's just spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
No, man, he's spelling, it's Earth 839.
This time they just moved oneEarth over.
It's still John Krasinski.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Aha, you're Reed Richards.
That wasn't emasculated by theScarlet Witch.
No, I knew better.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Yeah, I told Black Bolt shut up.
For I told Black Bolt justscream as soon as she walks in
the room.
We all have earplugs.
We're good, Just start yellingas soon as you see her, yeah, as
soon as you see her.
Scream as loud as you can,Without taking any chances.

(01:41:14):
That was actually the smartestman alive.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Well, we can handle you little dreamwalking witch,
can you Captain Marvel, thesmartest man alive, reed
Richards, where is he?
Is he behind that guy?
Who's he?
Is he behind that Reed Richards?
Doctor Strange really friedthat whole group.
Yeah, he did, he was cookingthem Because they suck.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Carl, carl Wait, didn't you guys try in the 60s?

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Oof Yikes Burn Cooked Professor X from offscreen.
Ouch, couldn't be me gettingfried like that.
And then he did get fried.
Why are we talking about ChongChi?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Why are we talking about Chong Chi?
Because we were talking aboutDaredevil, because we were
talking about Iron Fist.
Anyway, daredevil is the mostanticipated movie or show of
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Can't wait.
Yeah, alright, good tangent.
That's it.
That's going to do it for usthis week.
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(01:42:23):
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You can follow us on TikTokagain, it's fine.
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week.
We didn't decide what we'redoing yet what if.
What if.
What if what?

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
if this is where we get Jeffrey Wright as our guest
star.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
He's going to be in Fantastic Four apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told you they're going to do the
thing from Fantastic Four,whatever where he points up.
He's like whoa.
I hope he goes.
No, he does that when he seesthe thing.
He's like come on man, aren'tyou a giant-headed being from

(01:43:01):
outer space?
And you think I'm?

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
scary.
Remember when X-Men 97 putthrough the Watcher in there
they did put the Watcher In theGenosha episode.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Yeah, they did.
Watcher's like man.
This party's kind of cool man.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
I ain't gonna do nothing.
I ain't gonna do nothing aboutthis I'll help watcher a bigot
question mark.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
He didn't do anything about that.
That was the one where he'slike I can let this rock, I'll
have.
I love how, in the season threefinale of what, if they were
just like, he keeps interfering.
But x-men 97, the mutantmassacre, he, you know what.
I can watch this one.
He actually could have donesomething.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
He's like not that big a deal, I'm not only going
to watch, I'm going to activelylet Cable try to undo it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
five million times, five million times, and not do
anything about it.
The Watcher canceled questionmark.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Actually I'm going to let Cable get a little closer
each time and then just yoinkhim back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Maybe the Watcher's a bad guy.
He's not great.
No, he keeps interfering on thewrong things.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
I have to save Captain Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Why Captain America gets to die every time and
Captain Carter's the one thatyou need.
You let the Earth explodebecause the Celestial was born.
Jerk, what are you talkingabout?

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Oh, we're almost at the point where we're gonna make
the Eternals relevant againWith that big celestial in the
ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
That turned into adamantium of all substances.
What if she turned it into likewhat's the funniest substance?
You could've turned it intoRubber Iron Iron man somewhere.
Oh shoot, you got a wholeisland of it.
Man, this is awesome.
Oh shoot, you got a wholeisland of it, man, this is
awesome.
Oh shit, oh, it's Iron Tower,it's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Iron man oh shit, he got an Iron man suit on.
Oh my gosh, you think Arishemis going to come back in Captain
America 4?
Oh, he confronts Sam and Sam'slike I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
You want me, you want me, come and get me.
No, that's an actual like big GG-O-D.
I don't know if you can handleall that.
Somehow, with the vibratiumsuit he figures it out.
He just punches Airshom.

(01:45:03):
One splash page of him knockingout Airshom.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I love comics.
Oh, man, I answered yourquestion from before, when you
said what's the craziestcharacter that they could put in
Captain America?

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
4.
It's Erisham Shows back up.
They have a fight Like they doa proper fight.
At the end I've come to clickSam's like suit turns into a
space suit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
I got this y'all.
Him and Red Hulk team up tofight Ares no.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Red Hulk like, carries him and throws him into
the atmosphere.
Oh, fastball special Runs rightthrough Ares with the wings.
This is why they don't let uswrite in Hollywood, Because we
have the most bombastic moviesever.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
That's the secret they're hiding.
Remember, I keep telling youthat Cat 4 has a big secret,
uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
It's that, it.
That's the secret they'rehiding.
Remember, I keep telling youthat Cat 4 has a big secret.
Uh-huh, it's that.
It's not Hulk, it's Erisham.
Erisham, showing up would benuts.
It's Erisham coming to play.
We should keep playing thisgame.
I like this bit, like wheneverwe talk about something, we're
like what's the craziestcharacter from the universe that
could show up?

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
My answer's gonna be Erisham.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Arishem would plausibly be funny in Fantastic
Four, because then him andGalactus would be like if it
isn't my old pal bigger Galactus, bigger Galactus.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
They throw hands.
It's like a big slow, likethey're throwing planets at each
other, like billions of peopleare dying no Reed shows up with
the ultimate nullifier.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
He's like stop, let's cut it out.
Arishem, just picks up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Erisham just hits Galactus over the head with bars
.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Patrick Reed has the ultimate nullifier.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
I'll do it, don't do it.
Erisham's like no.
Didn't the Watcher give Reedthe ultimate nullifier, I think?
Or he didn't.
No, reed built it, he didn'tgive it to him, but he like,
Didn't he?
He inspired him to make it.
He did what the Watcher does.
He was like Reed Richards waslike how do I stop Galactus?
And the Watcher's like With apushpin, I could give you the

(01:46:59):
ultimate nullifier.
And Reed is like can you?
And the Watcher's like no, Ican't interfere, but if I turn
my back and you took theultimate nullifier, that would
be okay.
And Reed's like I'm gonna dothat then.
And he just took the ultimatenullifier.
Yo, is he the dumbest smartperson ever?
Reed Richards, yeah, yeah,didn't you watch Multiverse of

(01:47:21):
Madness?
Yeah, he was kind of stupid.
Wanda, I'm a dad, and Do yourchildren have a mother?
Reed's like yeah, and Wanda'slike well, you're dead.
That's probably one of thecoldest lines ever uttered.
At least they'll have someonearound to raise them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Get out of there, reed Richards, I'm not gonna lie
, man, you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
And then Mordo was like Doctor Strange wait till my
friends get back and we'regonna throw you in jail.
And Doctor Strange is like yourfriends are getting massacred
out there, pal, why aren't you?

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
helping them.
Why are you fighting me, Likeyou should help Wanda?
Enough, Shut up, Professor X.
Yo, they really did put PatrickStewart in that movie.
That was crazy.
Then he showed up at thepremiere.
He's like am was in the Marvels.
Yes, yes, I do.
No, Kelsey Grammer would be thefunniest character to show up

(01:48:15):
in Captain America 4.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
That would be hilarious funnier than Ericham.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
No, ericham showing up in an X-Men movie would be
much.
No, beast showing up in theEternals would have been funny.
Oh dear.
No Ericham would have shown up.
Oh dear, alright.
No Airstream would have shownup.
Oh dear Alright.
Dog Airstream and Cap Ford isgoing to go insane.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Just the fact that Anthony Mackie is going to
attempt to fight him is going tobe crazy.
That's the bait and switch ofthe trailer when he's like you
want me, come and get me.
He's not talking to Red Oak, itwas Airstream.
He's talking to Airstream, thejudge.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Just the look up.
That's going to kill me.
He's going to look up Becausehis head's the size of like 18
planets put together.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
I can see it now Falcon's like cat we have a
problem.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
And the Red Hulk's like he looks up the Red Hulk's
like he's like the sun's gettingreal low.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Red Hulk's, like he's standing right behind me, isn't
?

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
he.
He's standing behind all of us.
He's the size of multipleplanets.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
He's humongous.
I don't even know if I finishedreading the socials before we
got off on that tangent theyknow him, man.
Yeah, they know him by now.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
YouTube, instagram, facebook, twitter, tiktok it's
everywhere Next week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Maybe we'll talk about what up next week.
But what if we don't?
What if?
What if?
Yeah, all right, we'll see younext week for something.
Who knows the Watcher, knowsthe Watcher, does he?
From me, from the Careful man,I'm probably going to go

(01:49:52):
Daredevil, adjacent here.
You don't have to you couldcall me Rupert Williams.
No, I'm not going to do that.
The Cassian Andor of thepodcast, but he's kind of a jerk
.
No, he's not, he's great, he'snot great, he's pretty good.
He's not pretty good, he's kindof a piece of crap.
No, no, no, he turned it aroundbut like not completely.

(01:50:12):
No, but that's fine, he's ahero in the end.
Remember, he made that bigheroic sacrifice when the planet
blew up, when he got vaporizedby the Death Star.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Ben Mendelsohn's chronic is the greatest you know
.
Remember when they blew up theone planet?
He's like oh it's beautifulthis guy.
You could tell he waspracticing in the mirror before
he walked in.
He's like I wrecked the chronic.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
He's like oh, lord Vader, Interesting the goat, the
goat, my goat, my goat.
Darth Vader was like get what'sup, darth V, my bear.
He did not just call me Darth V.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Be careful not to choke on your aspirations.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
That's how you know that that was Anakin too,
because he's just so dramaticFor no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
But he can't help it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
He can't help it.
Alright, let's get out of here.
Yeah, we'll see you next week,for Maybe we'll just talk about
what If.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
What if we talk about ?
What If?

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
What if?
Oh man, what if that show wasbetter?
What if that show?

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
talked about characters that I cared about
more.
Erisham was in.
What If he was?
He was getting pieced up byAgatha.
That was crazy.
And you tell him, yeah, andhe's going to get pieced up by
Sam next.
I can see it now Red Hulklaunches him into space Right

(01:51:33):
through.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Erishim's chest.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
Erisim just falls in slow motion.
No, he throws Captain Americaso fast that he gets transported
to a new universe and he getslaid in the same box right next
to Monica Rambeau and Beast isjust like why does this keep
happening?

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Why does this keep happening?
Why does this keep happening?
All right, we're out of here.
We'll see you next week.
Goodbye, peace.

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