145 - Exploring the Future of Marvel and DC: Captain America 4, Lanterns TV Show, and Marvel Pitch Meeting! - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Infinite Podcast.
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It's the Infinite Podcast withRob and Kork the Cube.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
of the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom for movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We got you covered.
I'm rob.
I'm here, as always, with courtand court.
We are two weeks away from thenext marvel thing.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
yeah, it's crazy.
It feels like it's been so muchtime in between the last
project, which was, if I'm notmistaken, deadpool and wol,
wolverine and we knew this wasgoing to happen.
You knew this was coming, pete.
You knew this was going tohappen.
You knew we were going to havethis break, and obviously
Deadpool and Wolverine was thisbillion-dollar absolute.
We're so back yeah we're so backLike everything's cool, guys
Relax Type deal.

(00:58):
So it's kind of crazy and asmuch as I'll say I'm nervous
about something or I don't knowhow this project is going to pan
out, and I don't have the sametrust as I once did.
It's still the MCU.
At the end of the day, it'sstill Marvel Studios and, funny
enough, the thing that did itfor me to kind of get me back
into my old school Marvel brainwas it was the interview, the

(01:20):
Fandango interview, that thedirector, anthony Mack Mackie
and Danny Danny Ramirez had.
It was really good.
It was it was a really goodinterview and you can tell
there's a you could tell thatyou made this point they're
having fun, like this moviefeels like they had a lot of fun
.
I do think that they probablyhad to.
I think they probably had anoriginal script and like the
original idea, like the straightout of endgame, so probably

(01:44):
like 2019, 2020, they probablywere.
I guarantee you.
They were kicking around theideas of what we've been seeing
in the mcu.
A lot of those ideas got kickedaround and after falcon and the
winter soldier, they probably Ithink they always knew they
were going to do cap four aswell, I think that was probably
always locked in because theywere like we committed to the
television show, probably beforeum endgame, and they just
obviously didn't tell anthonymackie or anybody like that.

(02:05):
But I think what the idea wasis, hey, we're gonna do cap four
, that's a franchise that stillplays.
We're gonna put anthony mackiein the suit, we're gonna follow
the comics, which is awesome, um, but it looks like they're
having fun.
It looks like they're into theproject.
They probably retooled the wholescript that they had.
They probably had to 180 it abit.
I guarantee you that I don'tthink red hulk probably was in

(02:26):
this script originally.
I feel like I can, I canconfidently like kind of predict
that on my own end and for myown headcanon to be like he
wasn't in this originally.
But they I think the directoreven said like when the
possibility arose to use redhulk and like the way he said it
, I was like, yeah, you didn'thave that in there originally,
which is fine, like changes canhappen, things can happen and

(02:47):
hopefully it's a good change.
So I I'm funny enough.
I know what I've said on here.
I'm I'm looking forward to it.
I always was looking forward toit.
I was just nervous.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
But yeah, this movie's been on a weird, a weird
track in the sense that, likeit's, it's, it was, like it's
honestly been the definition oflike, that meme of like we're so
done, we're so back, likethat's how this has been, and
now it does feel like, you know,less than two weeks away, like
it feels like it's gaining alittle bit of positive momentum,
yeah, like the pre-sale ticketsare going pretty well.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, it looks pretty good yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's apparently way, way cheaper than anyone probably
thought.
It's apparently way, waycheaper than anyone probably
thought $180 million.
Hey man, if that's true, shoutout to y'all.
Yeah, cause I would have notguessed.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I spared, especially with the addition of Harrison
Ford, with the addition of redHulk by proxy of Harrison Ford
reshoots, the reshoots, the setpieces that they were using.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And like I don't know john carlo esposito getting
added into this as well too,like I don't know how you kept
that budget sub 250 yeah, atleast yeah, and you know, like
you said, like those interviews,the interviews have been really
good, like they've been reallyhitting that pretty hard, so I
don't know.
I I think I think I'mdefinitely looking more forward
to it than I was, maybe like two, three weeks ago, where I felt

(04:05):
like it was like red alert.
But now I think I'm looking alittle bit more forward to it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
And it's the whole point.
At the end of the day, don'ttake what anybody says, don't
take what we even well, maybelisten to us, but don't even
take what we say.
Like, just go watch the movie,go with some friends, go with
some loved ones, just go watchthe movie, go with some friends,
go with some loved ones, have agood time, go by yourself, get
a big, get the captain americapopcorn bucket.
This isn't an amc or cinemarkad, but just go get the popcorn
bucket.
Don't get the popcorn bucket,just go and have a good time.

(04:33):
And you know, at the end of theday, like, enjoy it.
You know what I mean?
It's the star wars theory.
Just, you don't have toridicule everything that happens
, just just enjoy that youactually do have it.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, for sure, because there's a time where we
didn't Right.
So in the spirit of that, inthe spirit of a little bit of
news that we have a little bitlater, we're just going to have
a little pitch meeting forMarvel specifically.
We're going to bring a TV showidea and a movie idea and just
hash it out and talk about itand see.

(05:04):
See if our ideas work, if we,if we actually deserve to get
paid for this uh-huh to ourright to my right.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Rob's left right now.
You can see kevin feige sittinghere.
We picked a council of of pitchmeeting people to be here, for
some reason.
Council of kangs, the councilof kangs, nope, um, the council
of pitch meetings, um.
So kevin feige's here,obviously.
Amon valani's here.
Clark greg from agents ofshield is here, for some odd
reason.
Samuel jackson's obviously here.

(05:34):
He has to be, yeah.
And the guy that played jaspersitwell, for some reason, is
here.
So these are the people thatare going to approve or deny our
, our ideas, our pitches.
Yeah, so we're practicing forthe future.
When me and Rob get handed thekeys to the castle, right, yeah,
of course.
And then I get the cap.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's all about who gets the hat in the end.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, it's like getting the Captain America
shield.
Whoever gets that is therightful owner of Marvel Studios
.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, so we'll do that.
But first we do have some newsand of course, whenever we get
casting for a Christopher Nolanmovie, that has to go straight
to the top of the news.
And the cast for the Odysseykeeps coming, and Jon Bernthal
has been added to the cast ofthe Odyssey, which is an

(06:22):
interesting choice.
It's not interesting, it'sfreaking awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's one of those castings where it's like I think
about it this way.
I'm going to, I'm going to kindof think sports, sports for a
second.
It's like.
It's like when a when a playergets added to a team and you're
like, wait, this is going to,this is going to be amazing.
I've always wanted this playerto play for this team, like
christopher or john berthold'splaying on christopher nolan's
team, like he's gonna bring hisplay style to this team.

(06:47):
He's gonna be able to be withthese teammates on this team.
Like I feel like it's kind of areally cool it's.
It's one of those thingsbecause you, when you, what do
you think?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
when you think john berthold um, I think, um very,
um stoic, to a degree, um stoicbut also explosive explosive
he's.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
He's got this rough around the edges, but this he's
got this morality to his actingwhere, like, he's still morally
good, even though if theoutside's not telling you that
overtly um, and most of hisroles obviously he's played a
few villains here and there, butmost of the time that's kind of
where he lands.
He hands, he lands in that andthat kind of hero to anti-hero
kind of sub-genre for himself.
Um, so I'm super excited.

(07:35):
I mean it's the type offerocity that he brings to his
acting that I'm super keen tosee with christopher nolan and
kind of see, I'm like I want tosee Jon Bernthal on like that
big, grandiose IMAX scale.
Just the way that he kind ofaccentuates his acting, I think
that's like a match made inheaven.
Like I'm really I don't knowwhy that one really got me
excited.
Like the cast list for this wasalready nuts and to add Jon

(07:59):
Bernthal and he can be in therole for five minutes, like that
, but just the fact that he'sthere, the fact that he's going
to bring his I mean, his supremetalent into this, is amazing
yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Um, it's a great look for john bertholdt and this
just keeps the track of likewhat christopher nolan has done
historically and especially withoppenheimer, where he just kind
of like he's just likecollecting actors that he enjoys
and it's probably, like youknow, I've always wanted this
person to be in this movie andchristopher nolan's like a
cinephile.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
But he I love the way that christopher nolan
approaches it because he's like,yeah, I watch the fast and
furious movies.
He's like he's not one of thesedirectors to be like I'll never
watch that thing because it'slow.
No, watch everything, have fun,it's all right, it's okay.
Yeah, so I'm glad that he'skind of like I don't even want
to say like broadening hishorizons, like john bernthal is
like an awarded actor, but Ijust think it's cool that that's

(08:49):
somebody that he's got in hissandbox now yeah, yeah, I think
it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Um, and yeah, this, this movie obviously is taking,
taking, uh taking shape and, aswe continue to talk about it and
continue to learn more about it, I'm sure it's going to be uh
sure it's going to be uh sureit's going to be really, really
good.
Um, speaking of movies that wethink are going to be really,
really good, we got a newtrailer for the Ryan Coogler
directed vampire historicalfiction movie centers.

(09:16):
Um, sorry, michael B Jordan,delroy, lindo, haley, seinfeld
Um, this one, we got a lot moreplot than we got in the first
original trailer and you know,you get to see kind of what the
deal is here.
Um, and just basically, youknow, the trailer kind of

(09:40):
reveals that this idea that um,music is a driving force of what
opens the gateway between thenatural and the supernatural,
and I think that's super, supercool.
I love that idea and I don'twant to even.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I don't even want to kind of go this route to talk
about it, because I really wantto stay.
Michael B Jordan and it'sabsolutely insane that this
trailer came out, because I wason the phone with somebody
talking about my or talkingabout Ryan Coogler and just his
body of work and how incrediblehe is.
But what I'm really excitedabout is it's kind of this
broadening of the horizon.

(10:10):
It's not only of horror, andobviously at some point we'll
talk Oscar nominations, butobviously the Substance was
nominated for Best Picture.
That's a horror movie in theBest Picture category.
I feel like 2017, with Get Outand Hereditary, was kind of the
opening of the veil of what'spossible.
So now we're in 2025 and youknow you're getting movies like

(10:30):
sinners, but it's the peoplethat are directing these movies.
So I feel a lot of influencefrom jordan peele from here.
But I know it's not.
It's not the fact that jordanpeele is the end all be all of
horror or black horror oranything like that.
It's just like he's done somuch for the genre in the last
couple of years, just overall.
All the things that I saidbefore are correct, but still
overall, how much he's done forjust the horror genre in general

(10:52):
.
It's the fact that moredirectors are going to feel
comfortable dipping into thatgenre.
Like I will not be surprised ifChristopher Nolan dips into
horror.
Like if some of these biggerdirectors dip into horror, like
it just won't't, it won'tconfuse me anymore.
So this trailer looks incredible.
Um, I know christopher nolankind of talked about you know he
gave him some advice on the 65millimeter prints and you know

(11:14):
how to film with these big imaxcameras.
Like this movie's goteverything in its in its corner.
It looks phenomenal.
The cast list is phenomenal.
The concept, just to get backto your point, it's that's why I
kind of came up with thepeelisms, for lack of a better
term.
Like that is very something andit's probably going to play
into bigger themes that will bedissected for years to come.
But you know you're talkingabout a 40 year old, absolute

(11:37):
phenom of a director Like Ican't overstate in the director
of shelf life, like he's stillyoung and he's still so young in
this, he's so young in this andyou're telling me fruitvale
station creed one, two creed one.
Fruitvale station creed creedone.
Black panther black panther,two.
Sinners are your first fivefilms.

(11:57):
Like some people would die tohave one of those films under
their belt, and he has five ofthose before he's 40 or while
he's 40 years old.
It's just absolute absurdityand hats off to somebody that's
that respected in the industryat that age yep, the guy's
absolutely.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
He's already achieved this kind of like bulletproof
status as a director.
We've talked about him so muchon here and just you know being
just blown away by the qualityand the, the versatility that he
possesses as a filmmaker.
I mean, to your point, thosethree movies considering Black

(12:30):
Panther to be a franchise on itsown, one project, essentially
so.
Black Panther, FruitvaleStation, Creed.
Those are all very differentmovies with very different
expectations, very differentkind of tethers to them.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That's a good word to use is the expectation that
surrounds them to continue.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and just to be able to the quality of those
three films on their own merits.
Well, four films, like I said,but the Black Panther films, but
just the quality that he's beenable to pump out and the
performances that he gets out ofhis actors.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm going to go further with that.
Not only the performance hegets out of his, his actors, I'm
not even.
I'm gonna go further with that.
Not only the performance hegets out of his actors, but the
performance he gets out of hiscrew is truthfully something,
and the one you can get it fromthe most, in my opinion, always
will be it's from creed one.
You can tell really like howdid this?
Because creed one comes out in20, what 14?
So this early 30s directorscomes in to one of the most

(13:24):
monumentous franchises in theworld, pitches this spinoff idea
about the son of the firstvillain of the franchise and you
know, beloved character of theRocky franchise, with Michael B
Jordan who at that point wasstarting to get pretty famous,
but Creed, I think, was the onethat really put him over the top
, but at that point it was still.

(13:46):
It could be go one way or theother.
So and I was talking about howtender creed one is like that's
really a tender picture, likeit's one that's really it's.
It's a bit sublime as well too,like there's some bits which in
that ludwig gordonson score,really accentuates it.
It's like it's one of thosefranchise movies where I,
looking back at it like howcredible, incredible of a feat

(14:07):
it is that something like thatexists, and like it's not the
franchise point to be, like wehave to do the homages and the
in the callbacks, like whichthey do and they do well and
they, but it's, it's handledwith care, it's a film like.
That's the best thing I can sayabout it.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, and about him as well yeah, yeah, and and this
looks to just be no different.
And again, he always seems tobring get the best out of
michael b jordan also.
So, um, I'm really, reallylooking forward to this movie.
We have some dc news, some dccasting news.
So ulrich thompson, um, youknow a danish actor and

(14:42):
filmmaker, um Been around thebusiness for a long, long, long
time, has been cast as Sinestroin the Lanterns TV show, and he
is the most Sinestro-looking manI've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
He's an older man as well too, so how old is he?
I think he's in his early 60s.
And I can't stress this enoughand I don't know why, it's
really just like itching thecorrect part of my brain, but
like I love this.
I don't know why I love theapproach of this show.
I think it's because we neveryou usually don't see that you

(15:15):
don't see an approach where tolike take the prime hero and
like, hey, why don't we justmake them a little older and
like give the story of whereit's at in the universe.
Because I'm telling you howjordan's not going to be the
main green lantern of where it'sat in the universe, because I'm
telling you Hal Jordan's notgoing to be the main Green
Lantern of that year.
It's going to be John Stewart.
You already know what he'sdoing.
He's making the Justice LeagueUnlimited lineup.
He's already got Superman,batman's plan.
He's going to get Wonder Womanin there at some point, but then

(15:38):
I think it's confirmed.
They're going to go Wally West,flash.
They're not going to do barryallen.
You're doing john stort, greenlantern, which were the ones I
grew up with.
Like the first green lanternand first flash I knew were john
storton, wally westrespectively.
Hawk girls already in superman.
Like you have the teams, areyou have that team?
Like you can throw martianmanhunter in there.
I think that's awesome.
Conversely, like, the legion ofdoom is starting to kind of

(15:59):
form like subconsciously becausegrod Grodd was already teased
in in creature commandos whichis Canon.
Um, we have Lex Luthor runningaround already and you have now
you have Sinestro cast, so Ithink that's pretty cool.
So I'm super excited.
Um, like you said, that's themost Sinestro looking man that
there could have been.
I think that's amazing.

(16:21):
And this show, like I, I knowthe the showrunner just talked
about it.
When they got pitched the ideafor the show, what did she say?
That was the best script thatshe'd ever read in her life.
Yeah, um, that the camera testsare starting today.
If I'm not mistaken, they'redoing the camera test today.
Um, we're probably going tostart seeing some set things
sooner rather than later, somesuits, things like that.

(16:42):
But I was kicking through.
Obviously, this, the biggestthing from this, is the jeff
johns green lantern run, whichis the single greatest green
lantern run, and if they canpull this off with this true
detective kind of edged outuniverse that they're going to
use, like, I think, somethingspecial and use, if you want to,
you know, berate james gunn forsomething you really can't,

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because look at the body of work.
I mean, if you want to use,okay, so it's going to be a
television show, not a movie.
What television show did hejust get done?
Doing that everybody lovedPeacemaker with characters, and
it's my Superman theory for him.
Like, if he got that feelingout of Peacemaker, what is he
going to do with Green Lantern?
If you got that feeling out ofthe guardians of the galaxy, if
you want to go back to one, twoor three, what is he going to
get out of Superman?

(17:25):
Like I just think he's going tobe fine.
So I'm super excited.
Um, I think James Gunn is likereally, like he's really hitting
his stride, like if he can getSuperman, obviously that's the
number one thing that that moviejust takes off this summer.
It hits a billion.
Supergirl follows it up.
It is great.
On top of that, too, davidCordswath's probably going to be
in that movie.
Right, I don't see him notbeing in that movie.

(17:47):
I would say so yeah, and thisLantern show works out Like
that's what a start, what anabsolute start, because that's
telling me your shows and yourmovies are bulletproof out of
the gate.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree agree.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Um and hey, play into the event television side of
hbo max would, or of max, ofwhich they really do.
Well, hbo has been doing areally good job of like really
playing up the fact that, likethis is sunday night event
television.
Like put lanterns right intothat sunday night spot.
Like be like if superman likedon't shy away of like no, this
is connected to that supermanmovie.
Everybody loved this.
The same universe.
Um, here's you know belovedactor for how many years, kyle
chandler.
Here's new hollywood heartthrob, aaron pierre.

(18:28):
Like, really play it up andlike if they can get that true
detective, feel like thisessential cop show, like this
detective show with superheroesattached to it, with this
long-winded conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Like that's event television right there yeah,
yeah, I agree and I think toyour point about you know you
don't really see this a lot withtv shows where you have a hero
that's kind of alreadyestablished, like both.
One of our you know kind oflow-key favorite shows is black
lightning, and that's like oneof the things that always like
kind of drew me to that show wasthey picked the character up at

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such an interesting point inhis life.
And I think similarly with thelantern show about how jordan, I
think you have the opportunityto do something similar.
So I think bringing that in andthen just folding in, like you
said, getting an older actor toplay sinestro, I think is just
playing off that idea of you.
Know, this is an establisheduniverse with characters that
you hopefully recognize andwe're just going to tell some

(19:20):
new stories and I think that's asuper, super, super cool idea.
Um, the oscars, oh boy yeah, sowe got our our oscar nominations
um for, for all the categories,and quite a few surprises, I
would say the emilia perez ofthe of the Now just consensus

(19:45):
speaking.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
so, by the time my goal is, by the time we get to
our Oscars episode in March, Iwill have watched all of the
Best Picture winners.
I'm going to try to hit all themovies that people were
nominated for, things werenominated for, so I'm going to
get the majority of them undermy belt From the consensus I
don't know how, just from whatthe majority of everybody is

(20:06):
saying that Oppenheimer gets 13nominations, if I'm not mistaken
, and Amelia Perez gets 13nominations.
That might be one of the mostmind-boggling stats.
And, amelia Perez, it was theGolden Globes where it came out
of nowhere that this movie juststarted gaining traction,
nowhere that this movie juststarted gaining traction like
just gaining some I'm talkingabsolutely kinetic traction of

(20:27):
like.
No, this movie is justabsolutely incredible and this
is one of the greatest like.
And I was so perplexed becauseI had been seeing scenes from
the movie and I said, obviouslywithout context it's a little
bit more difficult, but I'mseeing scene, not the subject
matter, just the scenesthemselves.
And I'm just confused how youput that movie against movies
like a Nora, movies like dunepart two, and you're and those

(20:50):
are the comparable movies movinglike the substance, so it's.
It is a mind boggling idea thatthat movie has was the leader
by far in nominations that yearor this year.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I think what we're seeing is a this and nominations
that year or this year.
I think what we're seeing is a.
I think we're seeing a crashsyndrome here with this movie.
You know, that's what thisfeels like to me, where, like
this movie obviously having Ialso haven't seen it, but this
feels like the type of moviethat you kind of talk about when

(21:22):
you talk about Oscar bait.
It's like that kind of moviethat you kind of talk about when
you talk about Oscar bait.
It's like that kind of movieright when it's like this movie
was built for award season andreally nothing else.
And you know, hats off to them.
It seems to have worked.
But at the same time, like itcomes at, you know, it kind of
comes at the detriment to otherthings that probably should be
getting that attention, and Imean the biggest thing is the

(21:48):
Denis Villeneuve thing.
Yeah, let's get into it this isthe second time this has
happened.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And if you want to take any of the complaints, any
of your reservations about thefirst one, they immediately get
alleviated.
And it was to the point whereDune 2 was one of the most
critically acclaimed movies ever, one of the most audience
recognized, and you're talkingabout some subject matter that's
difficult to digest and the waythat he was able to.
You're talking about one of themost beautiful, one of the most

(22:16):
intricate, one of the most, youknow, awe-inspiring movies
that's ever been released.
I mean that movie isimmediately in my top five
movies of all time, likecritically and just from my
enjoyment, and this hugespectacle, um, just absolute
masterpiece, just lost all itstraction, like getting later

(22:38):
down the line to the point where, like they didn't even kick
zendaya, best supporting actress, they didn't kick.
And timmy I'm fine with.
It's still tough because atleast he got nominated for yeah,
unknown he wasn't gonna getnominated twice right
so.
But to leave zendaya out of theacting, to leave, in my opinion
, rebecca ferguson out of theacting, to leave denis out of

(23:01):
the directing of hollyHollywood's most, you can't
direct this movie.
This movie's impossible todirect.
All time filmmaker David Lynchcouldn't pull this off RIP and
Deni.
Not only he didn't just make asolid movie, he didn't make an
okay movie, he didn't make agood movie, he didn't make a
great movie, he made one of thebest movies of all time.

(23:21):
So I don't understand how theylooked at that.
And they found those five otherfilms and they were like, yeah,
these films were betterdirected than Denis.
That is absolutely absurd.
That is an absurd thing to eventhink.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I mean, it's just that thing,man.
It's just the glass ceilingthat sci-fi movies have had to
battle against with the Oscarsfor forever, for the most part,
with some exceptions.
But the Oscars just don'ttypically recognize the

(23:59):
craftsmen behind these movies.
They of course recognize thevisual effects.
They of course recognize thevisual effects you know.
They of course recognize, like,the production design.
This time around I didn't evenrecognize the music because it
got disqualified, can we?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
chat about that for one second.
Yeah, again, absurd, like Ididn't know we were dealing with
percentages of scores used,because I remember before the
movie came out he released thetwo pieces.
Yeah, before the movie came outhe released the two pieces,
yeah, and I was just justfloored, um, by the, the first
one, where, where chani and paulare kind of they go into the
where chani fall, finds paul inthe doom in the in the desert,

(24:35):
and they kind of it's basicallythem falling in love.
That's what that score piece isand you're talking about just
absolute consummate beauty.
The innovation of this scoreit's the single most innovative
film score of all time, probably.
This and Tenet's score, just theway that they're built into the
film itself.
He was making instruments thatdidn't exist, like I don't know
what screams best original score, so that's just.

(24:58):
It's really like.
It's really kind of smack inthe face.
Like you think you getsomewhere with movies like the
Substance getting nominated forbest picture and like whore is
taking a beat, but then, like Ifeel like sci-fi still gets
associated with the superherostuff, so it's still the sigma.
So they were like no, we can't.
So I don't, I don't understand.
But then you watch a movie likeamelia perez and you're like,
yeah, this is the one yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's really, really strange to me, um, and like I,
you know, like, like you said, Ithought at some point you would
.
I mean, if dune can't breakthat like the like that sci-fi
kind of glass ceiling stigma, Idon't know what possibly could
like just in the future, I mean,we're gonna do this again in a

(25:39):
few years when the third onecomes out, like is he gonna get
snubbed again like a third time?
Like I, you know, I thought thefirst time, I thought the first
go around with the first dunewas shocking and kind of like an
affront that it could benominated for so many awards and
he just gets left off and thenthis time around it didn't even
get nominated for that many yeah, because if I can't remember
2021, I feel like 2021 wasdecently competitive.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I mean just kind of going through the list
for best director.
I don't see and obviously, likeI said, I'm going to make sure
I dive into everything I'm goodwith, from what I've heard.
The Brutalist oh, can I haveyou ever seen the movie
Thunderbirds before with BillPaxton?
No, it's a kid's movie.
It was a kid's movie.

(26:26):
It was like a kid's like superhero adjacent movie.
Uh, basically about like thisteam of people and like they're
like, um, basically like they'rekids and like the the family
are, like they go out into theworld and save the world from
natural disasters.
They're like rescue heroes,essentially.
Okay, there's a main characterin this movie, this kid's movie,
yeah, from like 2001, 2003,whatever, what?
2003, whatever, whatever,whatever.

(26:46):
The kid that was in that movie,the main character, brady
Colbert.
He's the one that directed theBrutalist and that blew my
freaking mind.
Wow, I had the Thunderbirds DVDand I was like I loved that
movie when I was a kid and hewas a child actor and he kept
saying it and and he kept sayingit and I was like let me Google
Brady Colbert and the firstthing that pops up is the
Thunderbirds poster that Iremember having on the cover.
I was like what the he made theBrutalist.

(27:09):
That was like the coolest thingever.
But Sean Baker for Enora abillion percent.
James Mangold for A CompleteUnknown from what I've heard,
100 percent.
Brady Colbert for the Brutalistis what I think is going to win
.
I don't know if the controversywith the AI is going to kind of
hit into this a little bit.
If that never happened he wouldhave won.
I could see a surprise wherethe substance director wins this

(27:31):
, a real big surprise.
But Amelia Perez's director'snot winning this.
I look at Denis and I look atwhat he did on Dune 2 and I look
at this category and I look atall these phenomenal.
Just from what I've taken, youcan probably get this in the
brutalist him and him and BradyColbert kind of battling for it.
But outside of that, like someof these are close, like a Nora

(27:52):
is probably the closest one withSean Baker, but you look at
what he did on this film andyou're just now that's, that's
all right.
Directing, that's OK.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's nothing insane, yeah, and I mean I guess I just
also don't understand how thebest picture category got
expanded to 10 and the directorcap is still set at five.
You don't have to expand it to10.
No, but maybe do like seven.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't know if I feel, I feel like they always
deal with the 510.
Like, oh no, you can do the,you can do six.
I can't remember how it works,but I think it's either five and
then the best, the best pictureis always 10.
So the directing I just was itwould expand yeah, I don't, yeah
, I just I don't understand whyyou wouldn't, and I'm fine with

(28:35):
the, because there's theargument.
The big argument is like, hey,like, are you allowed to be the
best director and not get in thecategory for best picture,
which that way should work?
That makes sense, like ifyou're on the best category,
that should like fast track youto getting in the best picture.
But it shouldn't be the otherway around.
Your best pictures don't needto necessarily have the best
director sure, that makes a lotof sense.

(28:55):
Um, because a lot, a lot goesinto making a great movie um, I
just don't know how they lookedat dune 2 and were like, yeah,
it's cool.
Versus the beginning of theyear, it was the film that was
the film of the year.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, and it checked all the boxes, man.
It checked the critical box, itchecked the box office box, it
checked that.
It checked every box that youcould want a successful movie to
check and it just feels like itgot kind of, you know, snubbed,
for lack of a better word.
But also, I think, ultimately Imean this Oscars, you know,

(29:32):
once the awards are given, couldyou know we'll see what happens
with the best actor thing, butthis feels like the Timothee
Chalamet kind of crowning.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
This might be the one , I mean your biggest contention
.
And again, like this is the.
This is the thing I reallydon't love, because this whole
ai thing with the brutalist kindof like came through as, like
this, like late round knock it,like this late round knockdown
punch, because the brutalist,the brutalist kind of had all
the momentum going in.
Like people were calling thislike this absolutely massive

(30:07):
epic, this filmmakingachievement that we've never
seen before for all intents andpurposes.
I've been scrolling throughTwitter seeing just a whole
bunch of the Twitter accounts,reviews, and people are just
mind-blown and stunned by thisfilm and this original idea.
But the fact that somethinglike that came through out of
nowhere and kind of was likewell, people were like well, ai
is bad.
So now this movie sucks, I'mlike well, wait, wait, just slow

(30:30):
down a little bit.
Um, this is still an absoluteachievement in filmmaking, like
that's never going to change.
So I'm Adrian Brody might be Ithat's.
It's either going to be timmyor adrian brody.
I think those are kind of yourtwo.
Any other?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
categories you want to talk about.
Um, I mean, we can talk aboutbest supporting actor, just
because I think we both kind ofhad an idea that this is where
denzel could could have snuck inthere for gladiator and he
didn't yeah, and I'm, I'm kindof.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm kind of a little bit.
I'm not perplexed, but I'm likewho's in the supporting for the
actors?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So it's Guy Pearce for the Brutalists, it's Yuri
Boryshov for Enora.
A lot of people were a littlebit shocked by that one.
Ed Noren for Complete Unknown,karen Culkin for Real Pain and
Jeremy Strong.
He and Sebastian Sand both gotacting nods for the apprentice
well.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So what I'll kind of think about is this like we're
in the social media age, we'rein the modern age, like the same
thing for the brutalists withthe ai, like things, a random
thing will pop out aboutsomething about the movie.
That might not even haveanything to do with the movie in
the brutalist case it does, andsome other movies it doesn't
but that that'll just change theway that people see the movie.

(31:49):
Yeah, that's just how humanbeings are wired and built.
No matter what the movie woulddo, no matter how incredible
masterpiece, whatever you wantto call a movie, like these
random things will just come andderail everything that's
happening.
So I think for denzel thatmight have happened a little bit
from the whole overarching ofgladiator 2, because it was this
franchise piece, because it wassupposed to build, be built off

(32:10):
the back of something, and likethe critical acclaim was like
it was good you know what I meanlike it was solid, yeah, but it
wasn't like monumental, like,and it didn't live up to quote
unquote, didn't live up to thefirst one.
That was the biggest hurt.
He got out of that too and Ithink the converse, like Nora,
blew up.
Nora absolutely skyrocketed,blew up.
So Yuri gets this nominationand people are like he was cool

(32:34):
in the movie.
I just don't know if he is thebest.
It's my Jamie Lee Curtis theorythat I don't know how you have
a year with Angela Bassettacting like that and Jamie Lee
Curtis was the one that youchose, but everything everywhere
all at once was the movie ofthat year.
Yeah, so I do think that one'san easy one.
It's going to be Kieran Culkin.
I'm going to watch a real paintonight from what I've heard

(32:58):
from the clips I've seen, likehe's just, he's incredible.
He just looks like this isgoing to be an absolutely
heartbreaking, hilariousperformance and I can't wait for
it.
I love jesse eisenberg.
The fact that he's directingtoo, it's like one of those
things.
Same thing for michael b jordan.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
This might have been what you were always supposed to
do yeah, yeah, you could alwaystell with jesse eisenberg too,
that he's got just got adifferent mind him bill hater.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like you, like you know, like we know what you've
done, I grew up watching you.
But like this is, this is yourcalling, this is your true
calling yeah, um, you got anyother oscar thoughts before we
move on?
no, I mean I say I love when Ido that.
I'm like no, but here's a rant.
Um, I mean, just looking at thelandscape of the best pictures,
like obviously there's onethat's standing out very much

(33:43):
and it's the one that somehowjust found a way to possibly
could win.
You know what I mean withamelia perez.
But I actually wasn't mortifiedwith the best picture category
and usually there's been yearswhere I'm like this is just
awful.
Um, I didn't think it washorrible.
Like I'm happy for a film likethe substance.
I'm happy for sean baker withanora.

(34:04):
Dune 2 at least got the justicefor knowing that's one of the
greatest pictures of all time.
Like, that's not a horriblelandscape.
I've heard phenomenal thingsabout the nickel boys.
I'm really keen to check thatone out too.
So the landscape looks, looksreally good.
Um, obviously we talked leadrole cinematography.
At least dune 2 is here.
I can see a world where thebrutalist comes in and sweeps it

(34:25):
.
But I I just don't think youcan usurp greg frazier.
He's the, he's the, he's theroger deacons of our time and
will be for years and years tocome it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's gonna be interesting, especially once,
once it starts, once it happens,and all the fallout.
And what happens with the, themovie that got nominated for 13
oscars, and see, see what that.
See what the fallout.
And what happens with the, themovie that got nominated for 13
Oscars, and see, see what thatsee what the fallout of that is.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Um, how about this?
I'll watch Amelia Perez by thenext episode and I will give you
an end of episode review.
Oh, because I just I have tosee what happened in between,
the in between.
Like I need to see whathappened in between a nora and
the brutalist, like shooting tothe top and the golden globes
because something had to happenin that time for emilia perez to

(35:10):
be like wait, is this the bestmovie ever?
Like something happened,something I have to have
happened, sure?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
um, all right, we'll look forward to that little
stinger, little singer for nextweek.
Um, all right, marvel.
So before we get into ourlittle topic here, um, it is
inspired by these two littlebits of Marvel news, first and
foremost.
So Disney+ all the streamingservices kind of came out with
their kind of like here's howmuch of everything people
watched, so there was just someprizes.

(35:37):
For sure, the Acolyte was thesecond most watched thing on
Disney+.
It's got that.
Star Wars banner to it.
Yep, so that continues the, the, the mystery of the acolyte and
what happened, um, but the bignews obviously was agatha all
along um was what the secondlowest marvel thing and echo was

(35:58):
the lowest.
Yeah, um, we both really likedagatha all along, um.
I think the critical consensusalso is that it's really good.
Yeah, it was pretty dang good.
And then there was the will.
They won't they do a secondseason.
They won't Not because itdidn't do well, but because Jack
Schaefer just doesn't want todo one, and this was apparently.
This has now come out that shealso did not want to do a second

(36:18):
season of WandaVision.
Yeah, I think in the age oflike content and the age of make
us a bajillion dollars, I thinkthat shows incredible restraint
.
Yeah, on her part.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
And I was talking to you before we hopped on about
Jack Schaefer how I really likeher and like, just from her
interviews that we watched, likeshe seems like somebody that's
so sure, like she's so sure ofherself, like she's kind of like
an inspiration a bit, likeshe's very sure of herself, like
she's very like I know thething that needs to be done.
I have confidence in myself andlike the stories we're telling
and like I know overtly somepeople will not cling to these

(36:51):
things because women,unfortunately, because that's
still so, some people think andother things.
But you know she's veryconfident in herself and she's
very like this is what we needto do.
Like we talked, talked about it.
Like give Jack Schaefer theWanda movie, call it a day.
She's going to cook simple,yeah, I saw her.
That's not my pitch.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
By the way I saw her in Toronto at the at fan expo
with her and Catherine Han andJoe Locke, um, before Agatha all
along had come out, and justyeah, just the way she was
talking about the show made memore excited for it.
Um, it just seems like she hasa great grasp on certain
characters in this universe, um,especially wanda, especially.

(37:31):
Just, she just seems like shehas a good handle on this little
sect of the marvel universe, um, and I think I think it's fair
play to not, you know, want todo a second.
It's one of my big kind ofquestion marks and concerns with
shogun, like, um, that gettinga second season when it was
originally pitched as a limitedseries.
Like you know, I I don't thinkwannavision needed a second

(37:52):
season, like I don't necessarilythink agatha all along needs a
second season.
Um, they're, those charactersare obviously going to be seen
again and they're going totransition to other things.
But like a sec, a second seasonof agatha all along, like that
whole Anytime a show, you cantell a limited series like this
and you bookend it perfectly,which is what Agatha All Along
did.
It bookended that journey andthat story perfectly and there

(38:17):
was obviously a stinger at theend, with her and Wiccan kind of
going off to find Billy, findthe other brother.
But brother, um, that doesn'tnecessarily that that story
doesn't have anything to do withagatha and, like her journey,
that she went on in the show, um.
So I think it makes all thesense in the world and, like I

(38:38):
said it's it, it shows anincredible amount of restraint
that she's not going to beforced to write something that
she doesn't necessarily have anidea for, not to say that she
can't come up with one.
But you know, if it was neverin her plans, like whatever,
like good, um.
And then the other bit ofMarvel news to that is that

(38:59):
Benedict Cumberbatch hasconfirmed that Dr Strange will
not be appearing in Avengersdoomsday but conversely, we will
be having a massive role inAvengers Secret Wars which is
interesting to me.
It just I mean, what is I mean?
This Doomsday thing?
Is this just going to be?
Is this, Are we?

(39:20):
Are we going down the routewhere this is just going to be?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Avengers versus evil Avengers no, Well, yes, yes, I
do think that's going to happen,but I I do.
I had some ideas, I had somethoughts about it too.
You know what I think they'regoing to do.
I think they're understanding,especially from cap four, like,
oh shoot, where are the Avengers?
But they, the heck now.

(39:45):
So I think a part of doomsday isgonna be a bigger push to like
where are the avengers?
Who are the avengers?
How is this avengers team gonnaoperate?
Are there multiple avengersteams operating, because the
thunderbolts which presumablyare going to turn into the dark
avengers, like I think they'regoing to give more time, because
what I think happened was theoriginal kang idea was so kang
focused and like I don't thinkthey were equating for like hey,
we probably should have a teamto go against this Kang, because

(40:07):
we should probably root forsomebody on the other side.
So I think they're gonna try tobuild a little bit more and kind
of do some backlog building,which kind of sucks, because
that stuff should have alreadybeen done.
Um, which would have helped ifwe would have got Shang-Chi 2
and a a miss marvel season 2,but I digress.
So I think the part of doomsdayis going to be taken away from

(40:27):
kang is going to be divertedback into the avengers
themselves.
So, with that kind of beingsaid, I'm kind of I'm torn, like
I'm a little torn on the wholeidea, because no, dr strange is
for the multiverse saga, becauseI do think they had an idea
where Doctor Strange kind ofsplit, being one of the main

(40:49):
characters, just how it was likeCap Thor, iron man, but more
like Iron man, thor-ish a littlebit, especially in Infinity War
Endgame.
Doctor Strange is one of thepillars of this.
You were probably going to haveSpider-Man try to be a pillar
of this, like Black Pantherprobably would have been a
pillar with this once upon atime and obviously the Jonathan
Major stuff happened.

(41:09):
So you have to pivot and it'snot like a simple pivot, this is
like a monumental pivot.
So, to your point, it probablyis going to be good Avengers
versus evil Avengers.
I just can't stress it enough.
We need a main character and no, benedict Cumberbatch takes a
big person off the board to bethe main character of this thing
.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, and I think the other thing I'm worried about,
if they're going to do Avengersvs Evil Avengers and presumably
this is going to be a two-partAvengers thing is your heroes I
mean not just Infinite into WarEndgame.
But if you're going to do thistwo-parter, the heroes kind of
have to lose and it would bekind of meta offensive to have
like the evil avengers, whowould be presumably played by,

(41:51):
like the old cast, which theyprobably will be, beat the new
avengers you know what I meanlike in, like in a meta
commentary sense.
Like that would feel kind ofbad, like to be like look how
great the old cast were.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
They just literally beat the new cast and it doesn't
do it, and it's something we'vetalked about for years now.
It doesn't nothing and again,it does nothing to help this new
phase of heroes that you'resupposed to get, like this
movie's supposed to come outnext year, like I know, that's
zero, that's zero time like, andnow, like I said, you took dr

(42:24):
strange off the list.
That's a big person to take offthis like again, and it's
probably the same thing that Ithat I talk about.
You know who are the gosh darnavengers right now?
Like, who are the avengers?
Like you're calling this movieavengers doomsday, like we got
the doomsday part.
Who are the god dang avengers?
Like, who are they?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
maybe we find out.
Maybe we find out which, in afew months, to my point about
cap four.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I think we're gonna probably start to do some
lifting in cap four with apost-credit scene.
You spend the age of Ultronpost-credit scene and you have
it be like Sam's now there andSam's there with, and it's
probably gonna be like Joaquin'sgonna be there.
Um, captain Marvel I'mpresuming you bring Brie Larson,
because from the Shang-Chipost-credits scene, like she and
, to your point last week, likeSimu Liu, get him in there.

(43:11):
Aman Valani put her on thatteam.
Like she, well, no, she'sprobably gonna split with the
Young Avengers.
But man, this Kang thing reallythrew everything off, because
you know what I thought theywere gonna do Thunderbolts,
avengers, young Avengers and theworld's like well, who are the
Avengers?
We have three sets of Avengerswho are the true Avengers, and

(43:31):
Sam's got to be like we're allAvengers, we don't have any
split, everybody's an Avenger.
It would have been cool.
You have the Young Avengersbeing like, no, we're credible,
we got this and the Kang tiewould be Nathaniel Richards
joining that team.
And then you have the mainAvengers and like their tie
would be like it's the fact thatthey're the Avengers of the
world's Avengers.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Then you have the Thunderbolts being like no, the
government wants this Avengersteam to go fight, like yeah yeah
, I mean, I think it's just, Imean we're gonna see, but it's
like one of those things we'relike, um, to your point, like
where, where are the Avengers?
We don't even know.
You know, going way back, wayto the way back machine, you
know, in 2008, like we knew whothe avengers were before we even

(44:12):
saw them.
You know, we knew it was ironman, captain america, thor the
hulk, and then, you know,hawkeye and black widow kind of
snuck in the back door, but nowit feels like every avenger is
sneaking in the back door yeahit's just and like we don't know
, we don't know who's who'sleading these, this thing or
these things, yeah, and againlike like, is it supposed to be

(44:34):
spider-man, is it supposed to becaptain marvel?
is it supposed to be dr strange?
But it can't be dr strangebecause he's not going to be in
the next it can't be blackpanther is it captain america?
Like we don't, we don't know.
We don't know who's on the team.
That's a problem.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
We don't know who's on the team and we don't know
who's playing.
That's such like, that's suchlike.
That's a detrimental problem togo into a movie where, like,
people are already longing forthe old, the old marvel, so
you're gonna put the oldcharacters back in this movie,
so to be, like people are gonnaroot for them, like they're
gonna, they're gonna.
That's not necessarily what youwant.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's's a cool villain problem.
You're like, wait, wait,they're the actors and the
characters that, like we want toroot for.
Like I don't you know how youknow, I mean, maybe we'll find
out in the Fantastic Four whatDr Doom's deal is.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that part of it too.
Like the Fantastic Four are abig piece of this man, like
there, that is, that's a bigthing to kind of think about.
Like how are they going to kindof round out this entire thing?
I didn't even kind of equatefor that as well too.
But like I'm just talking and Ithink we're both kind of
talking mainline avengers, likethe main 616 avengers, like who?
I mean, how does thor fit intoit?

(45:40):
Like, yeah, what's his deallike?
Is he kind of what's his deallike?
And I talked about it when we,when we, when we talked endgame
once upon a time like I likethis idea that, like thor's just
out there, like two of your ogavengers are still out there,
technically three like they'restill out there, kind of like,
hey, if you need me call, likethat's how the avengers comics
work.
Like if people die, like someof the old ones still keep going

(46:02):
, like they're still on the team, like I think that would be
cool.
Like, obviously, you're gonnaget, you're gonna get jeremy
reiner, you're gonna get, you'regonna get, uh, chris hemsworth,
you're gonna get mark ruffalo.
Like you're just not gonna nothave him in these movies.
But I think it'd be really coolif it's like you know the war's
like all right, I'm in, andlike really, yeah, I'm in, I'm
in, I'm in, I'm, I'm thestrongest avenger.

(46:24):
That's never gonna change.
Like I might not be the leaderof the Avengers, but like I'm
still going to answer the call.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's so much about I think we're
going to get some answers.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, I think there's a miss that comes with, like I
think we took for granted thepillaring that they did with
Tony and Steve for sure so it'slike it's cap and it's Sam, but
there's not another drivingforce Because, plausibly, you
probably would have done ifeverything worked out.
It probably would have been BrieLarson, would have been the
other pillar to it.
There's a scenario where onceupon a time it was going to be

(46:58):
Chadwick Boseman, because thenew Avengers were kind of given
to you.
It was Black Panther,spider-man, doctor Strange,
captain Marvel, ant-man, wasp.
Who am I missing?
I'm missing one in there.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Um, well, I mean the ultimate, the ultimate one.
The circle is where and when isthe Scarlet Witch going to come
back?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Mm-hmm, I've, I've been saying it, since I don't
know she might be the ex Machinathat comes in to save the day.
I've been saying it sinceWandaVision ended.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
There's your main character.
I mean, obviously her power setis a little ridiculous, but
when's that ever stopped anyonebefore?
That's your main character.
That's your character thatyou've done the most narrative
character work with.
Period Like since probably fromInfinity War on, that's the
character, maybe outside, maybe,maybe besides spider-man,

(47:49):
that's the character that you'vedone the most character work
with and narrative work andemotional grounding and like
people are invested in her.
Where is she?
Like that, like that's thecharacter you need to be
building this yeah thing around.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
We kind of went on a tangent when we were done last
week about simu liu,specifically as shang chi, and
like right, we were kind oflooking at the landscape of the
phase four films and the phasefive.
So the all the multiversal sagastuff.
We were like wait a minute,like out of all the things that
people like to say, like Ithought shang chi, people liked
that movie a lot and the actionwas great.
Yeah, and like I'll die on thehill, it has one of the most

(48:24):
forgivable cgi 30 acts ever.
And like he's charismatic.
And like kung fu's cool andhe's got a mcguffin.
Like he's got a thing like whydaniel destin creighton's
cooking.
Like why not put more investment?
And that doesn't seem like amovie that takes a lot to make a
sequel to.
And now we're in the age whereyou're getting your defenders

(48:45):
back in there.
I'll always harp on on this.
Like you can put, you get FinnJones back and you do the war of
the set or you do the, you dothe the battle of the seven
cities, and like you have youknow, come on into the into the
mix, and like it's a team upmovie between the two of them.
Like it feels like there's justsomething more for Shang-Chi.
And then they had the audacityto do the Ten Rings post-credits

(49:07):
scene and make it the biggestdeal and he hasn't been seen for
three years.
Like I just I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of wild man and I don't think
it's going to continue.
I don't think it's going to getless wild.
So that's that.
Yeah, let's talk some.
Let's talk some, let's talkshop, I guess.
So our proviso is we're goingto pitch what?
One TV show, limited series,whatever you want to say, and

(49:33):
then a movie, right, mm-hmm,cool, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Do you want to talk first?
I talk first.
Yeah, why don't you start withyour television?
We'll end with the movies,because people love the pictures
, so we'll start with the shows.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I do shows, I do, I do in true marvel fashion.
I do have some synergy betweenmy tv show and my movie.
Okay, okay, um, my tv show, um,if you've heard me talk on this
podcast about characters that Ireally wanted to see back um
and have not yet, um, I want, I,I am throwing out there a
revival, a continuationdaredevil born again, ask of.

(50:07):
Of Cloak Dagger.
Mmm, I love it.
Is Marvel Rivals inspiring?
I just man, I just have fondmemories of that show and the
types of themes that it's wovento.
I love the kind of warping ofthe Top top, you know top

(50:29):
billing.
I'm keeping Aubrey Joseph andOlivia Holt.
Um, they're both still there.
They actually fit kind ofperfect like into like a
continuation of cloak and daggerwhere they're both a little
older or adults now yeah,they're more, more adult.
Um, and I loved.
You know, my biggest complimentfor that show was the twisting
of the backstories.

(50:49):
Instead of making Ty the kidfrom the broken home, yada, yada
, yada, it was inversed, whereTy was the one that came from
the privileged home and Tandywas the one that came from the.
And you know the idea that youknow, typically in the comics,
cloak is the, obviously, clo,cloak is darkness, dagger,

(51:11):
dagger is light.
But in the show it was inverse,where she was kind of battling
the demons and, despite theirpower set, he was the light, she
was the darkness.
And then they come into.
You know, obviously they have.
You know I love the second.
So my TV show pitch would be acloak and dagger kind of
daredevil born againcontinuation where they go up

(51:33):
against rocks on, properly,obviously rocks on, responsible
for their powers and the reasonthat they are who they are.
And then, you know you, youknow they probably like eight to
10 episodes of them, they'realready cloaking dagger, they're
in New York.
You know you, you know theyprobably like eight to 10
episodes of them, they'realready cloaking dagger, they're
in New York, you know, cause,that's kind of where the show
left off, was they kind of weregoing on a journey you know to

(51:55):
be heroes and they're cloakingdagger, they're in New York,
they're doing things, theyuncover the rocks on conspiracy
Maybe.
Maybe a little bit of Kingpininvolved there.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yes, yes, that would be amazing.
Give them a good like broadervillain, it would help him and
help them, I think too.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Mix a little bit of Kingpin in there and you just,
you know, you take these tworeally charming leads and just
have them do what they did bestin the original show.
Um, do what they did best inthe original show.

(52:35):
Um, as for who I would want toshow run it oh man, there's a
lot of choices.
I could go um, who would I wantto show run?
Um, you know, I probably wantto do it.
Um, I'm trying to think of thenames, the two that directed the
pilot and finale of Ms Marvel.

(52:55):
Marvel, that would of dynamic,and I think they understood the
young adult dynamic of Ms Marveland I think that would just
segue wonderfully into a littlebit more of a mature, you know.

(53:18):
Next step is on cloak anddagger.
I mean, olivia Holt is 27,.
You know, aubrey Joseph is, um,I believe, also 27.
I think they're both the theirmid-20s, so I think it'd just be
perfect.
And Marvel, the MCU,specifically Ms Marvel aside,
and Kate Bishop kind of sort of,but Kate was dealing with a lot

(53:41):
of adults in Hawkeye, so itwasn't really a young adult
theme type of deal, whereas Msmarvel definitely was um, and
cloak and dagger definitely wasat the time, and I think you get
them in there to direct eightto ten episodes, um, and then
and then, and then and then.
Um, we will see where thatbleeds into with the movie that

(54:05):
I'm kicking around, my movie, mymovie idea, I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see I love it, I love it,
I love it.
I think that was, I think thatwas phenomenal.
I think cloak and dagger ischaracters that still have so
much more to be explored becausethey don't have any time to
stop exploring because they wereso young like.
I want to see more of that.
Um, that show brings potentialfor crossover, but not even if
it doesn't, like that story, runright with the right writers,

(54:32):
right showrunners, like thatmight just be one of the it's
like an agatha situation whereit's just like this, you know, a
solid, like a, just a verywell-written television show
that has clear direction andclear purpose yeah, and it's one
of those things, like I said,daredevil born again kind of
inspired, like here they are,boom.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We spent season one of Cloak Dagger spends a lot of
time with them coming to gripswith their powers, and season
two is when they really startmixing it up and then they don't
really hit the.
You know, ironically, the timethey hit their stride as Cloak
Dagger, it's in that runawayscrossover it is.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
It is because that's like the most primed version of
them that we've gotten up.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It's pretty cool because, like the runaways are
like we don't know, like wedon't know what we're doing,
like our powers are all kind oflike like we don't really know
what we're doing, and a cloakand dagger show up and they're
heroes.
Like they, they have like thisunspoken bond, like they have
this chemistry together andyou're like wow, like there's,

(55:32):
you're, you guys are, you guysare a real deal so I think, like
to further expand upon that andthen give them kind of like,
you know, a, a villain in.
No, you don't, like I said, fiskwouldn't necessarily be the
villain, but he would be thebackdrop of like, oh man, more
freaking, this one, these onesare magic, but not.

(55:55):
But not, there's like science,magic which, um, like I said,
will bleed, bleed into my, mymovie concept.
So, um, yeah, cloak and dagger.
I'm, I'm championing the returnof cloak and dagger.
Someone's, someone's bound tolisten, someone's about it's
bound to happen.
Um, and if we're in the, ifwe're in the business of
bringing actors back, I thinkolivia holt and aubrey joseph um

(56:18):
play those charactersbrilliantly.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
So I'm on, I'm on board, outstanding um, I'm
having a tough time pickingwhich one I want to go with
because I have several writtendown.
I'm trying to pick which onefor my television show.
This one's difficult because Idon't know if this one plays
better as a film or as atelevision show, but I just
think it's a Marvel story thatneeds to be told for a couple

(56:43):
different reasons and I thinkyou can tackle a lot of themes
with it.
But in the way that you werenever expecting to, silver
surfer has always been one of myfavorite characters.
Uh and uh-huh.
What donnie kates did withsilver surfer black, leading
into kind of him taking over thethor title after that, is just
nothing short of magic.

(57:03):
Um, I love these little like.
Oh, not, they're notnecessarily because he canonized
the Silver Surfer Black, but atthe time it was coming out and
I remember I got it and I wasjust, I was so blown away.
The art's not immediately theart that I love out of the
comics.
Like I'm really like aphotorealistic.
So, like guys like Gary Frank,gary Frank, obviously Alex Ross

(57:27):
like and Alex Ross never usuallydoes his own, like he never
usually like dips into fullcomics, he'll usually do covers.
But like I, I'm really big intolike the photorealism from my
comic art.
I just help.
I feel like it like kind ofgrounds it for me.
Um, the art is not that insilver, surfer, black, that
tells you how incredible thisstory is.
So I'm gonna pitch this as I'mgonna pitch this as this like

(57:49):
kind of like subvariant feel,not the subject matter, just the
feel of kind of like it's got alittle sprinkle of how the loki
, how loki made you feel, butlike with this like interstellar
film type of feel to it.
Um, this kind of like spacebounding existentialism piece, I
think would be really cool.

(58:10):
It's like all the things thatthe eternals wanted to get right
, like put into one characterlike focused on just nor and rad
and kind of his like hisbattling with himself over like
is he a monster himself forexecuting galactus's will or is
this what needs to be done forthe betterment of the universe?
Like if you can grab an actorlike obviously this would never

(58:31):
happen.
But if you grab an actor likean austin butler or you grab an
actor like somebody that canreally kind of like like, just
kind of like portray like thislike brokenness, like I I don't
know why, I imagine like, noteven, not necessarily like, not
even his voice, just the waythat he and it goes into the
later seasons of the show, buteven an Aaron Paul way of
thinking it, of this brokennature and this trying to find

(58:55):
this purpose and do I have thispurpose?
And the thing I love aboutSilver Surfer Black is because
Donny Cates puts a time clock onit.
I like when stories do that abit of like oh shoot, now I have
to move.
He gets infected and now he hasthis lingering presence of Noel
behind him and like it's thislike space winding long form.

(59:16):
But it's all wrapped up in sixissues, if I'm not mistaken.
Six or 12 issues, I can'tremember.
Just this absolutely monumentalpiece of comic book
storytelling Like this is one ofthe comics where you're reading
, you're just like these aren'tjust comics, like these are just
incredible stories through andthrough.
So I think a silver surferblack like five to six episode

(59:38):
like and like you can play thehits like go over, like, have
them, like and like.
Obviously the silver surferblack is kind of it's in a funny
way, it's kind of contained,like ego shows up, obviously
noel's the main villain, butlike it's not that simple, like
I feel like it would be cool if,like hey, he runs into like the
shiar empire or something likethat, or like he's in space,
like he gets, like heaccidentally stumbles upon

(01:00:01):
omnipotent city, like thingslike that, just to canonize it
to the mcu, but like just thislike existentialism piece about
you know, kind of like theintricacies of, like you know,
good versus evil and kind oflike, like I said, like this
interstellar piece, like thisambient piece, like a level of
ambience would go with this,like it's something I imagine

(01:00:21):
somebody like Greg Frazier wouldshoot you know what I mean,
which he'd never do.
But I just feel like a piecelike this would be incredible.
In terms of showrunner, I'mgoing to who was Loki's
showrunner.
I forget who it was.
That's probably where I'mlooking first For score.
I'm going immediately toNatalie Holt and I'm having her
do the score.
Whoever directed the lastepisode of Loki, season 2, I

(01:00:46):
forget who it was.
That's who I'm getting todirect this.
Um, but I feel like we cantruthfully get like an
incredible television show.
It's something that's notimmediately like this, like it's
kind of I hope it plays alittle bit how like werewolf by
night, but people don't neverforget about it.
Like it's just this piece thatlike it really accentuates, like
the experience of, likeloneliness, like I really want

(01:01:07):
to hit on, like the lonelinessthat Noren feels and like he's
the last survivor of his ownrace and like he, finally, he
kind of, you know, in a sick andsadistic way, finds kinship
with Galactus because of thatthey're both the last survivors
of their race.
Like it's, it's, I just feellike it would be just such this
incredible, like I didn't knowMarvel was capable of doing this

(01:01:29):
type of television show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
That'd be super cool, I'd be super in on that.
That.
That sounds like right up, likeyou know, talk about like I
love a good, I love a goodcharacter study.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And the character study onsilver surfer would be cool,
especially since we're seeing,obviously the the alt silver
surfer, um, in the fantasticfour movie, so to to kind of

(01:01:54):
like I think I think that fitsperfectly like synergy wise too,
with like the mcu.
Like you know, you saw thissilver surfer like in the
fantastic four movie.
But now we're gonna do like amini.
It's like you're alreadyfamiliar with the concept of the
silver surfer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Now we going to introduce Noren Rad proper in
this little self-isolation,almost like one-man show type
thing and you can approachGalactus because you talk about
I think it's Silver SurferRequiem.
I think it came out in the late90s.
I don't know if it was Neil Gagame, I don't know if it was
neil gaiman or who.

(01:02:28):
Um or who, or who wrote it?
Um, I don't think it was markwade.
I'm gonna look it up real quickbecause that story is also the
same thing.
The art as well too.
Um is just absolutelyincredible, but it's again, it's
.
It's like a.
It was j michael straczynskithat wrote it, but it was like
again.
It's like this existentialist,like this study of Noren Rad,

(01:02:50):
and I just think he's one of themore, if not most, interesting
characters out of comics.
Like he's this, he's this, likehe's this being of like
consummate power and like hereally tests the limits of his
power in Silver Not really testthe limits, but like needs.

(01:03:13):
He kind of has to know how muchpower he needs to kind of
survive throughout the limits ofhis power and silver.
Not really test the limits, butlike needs, he kind of has to
know how much power he needs tokind of survive throughout the
events of silver, surfer, black.
But I just feel like, like Isaid like this, like character
study, interstellar feel, with alittle bit of like dash of loki
if you want to relate it to themcu feel, um, this ambience
that comes along with it as welltoo.
I feel like that would just belike you get an actor that can
really just kind of portray thatI was gonna say you have an
actor in mind.
I mean, like I said, like I feellike you need an actor that's a

(01:03:37):
bit like, a bit sublime, youknow what I mean, like you need
somebody that's kind of likethey can operate in the space.
I've always loved, loved, lovedthe idea of of.
Why can't I remember his name?
I can't remember his name.
That was in Atlanta and was inJudas and the Black Messiah.
Why can't I remember his name?

(01:03:58):
And that was in.
Sorry to Bother you, I can'tremember.
Oh, lakeith Stanfield, lakeithStanfield, I don't know.
There's something about LakeithStanfield that really can
really drive home that, like Ihave Posts to happen, or is it
potentially still happening?
He wants it to happen and Isaid he can still be the main
616.
It's his voice.

(01:04:18):
His voice carries so much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
His voice is important.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
His voice carries so much tenure with it.
It's like his voice carries.
I've seen some stuff like.
I've seen some things in mylifetime much has silver surfer
seen.
And, like I said, like keepralph inison as galactus and
keep that voice.
But I want him to be more of apresence.
Like it's same thing asinterstellar, the way that the

(01:04:43):
you know.
Obviously we learned who it wasat the end of the movie, but
the same thing the way that theblack holes were working and the
way that the beingsquote-unquote were working.
Like I want galactus to be kindof the approach aeration was
taking, but even more on thatside of like he only visits him
at certain moments.
We don't see the extent of himbecause to him he's just a piece
of his mind.
So I think you could truthfullyget some incredible limited

(01:05:06):
series like this, absolutelyjust peace on.
Like and, like I said, like Iwant the main theme to kind of
be just loneliness, like asimple theme that all of us can
face at some point yeah, thatsounds.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I'd be super.
It sounds very depressing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Is that my bag, that's fine, though I'm down
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I just I love feel like people would like cling to
that and it'd be cool for liketo like cling to silver surfer
as a character too.
Like I think people have thiskind of you know, obviously
colored by the the fantasticfour movie like he's just kind
of like this existential being,like this dr manhattan style
creature that like doesn't haveany like emotional tether, but

(01:05:43):
like that's not true exactly,but it's not true.
So I feel like doing like aseries on silver surfer could be
really, really cool so lakeithstanfield would be my silver
surfer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Um, I hope the mcu picks him up as the silver
surfer.
That would be awesome.
Um, and again put like youdon't need to go insane visual
effects, like you don't need todo anything insane.
Like you like, like I.
Like kurt russell shows up asego, or his voice is ego.
You know, know what I mean.
To stay true to the comic.
Like he rolls through it, likehe sees like you got your little
Easter eggs.
Like maybe he comes in contactwith like Jeffrey Wright as the

(01:06:15):
watcher at some point.
You know what I mean.
Like just some, like like thosevoices, like there's something
about the voices of the showthat can echo, like there's just
like.
Like I said, there's like anambience that needs to come with
this show.
It's like it's like thisheartbreaking, subtle ambience
that can come with this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, that sounds super cool.
I'm in Kevin.
Are you in Kevin's in?
I'm on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
She's also in the guy that played Jasper Sitwell,
that I'm too lazy to Google.
His name, clark Gregg's alwaysin.
He'll be like, yeah, pat, andalso always, always, always into
um the movies, films, thepictures, the pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Um, I guess we'll just volley back and forth, so I
guess I'll go I mentionedbefore, I had some, I had some
synergy with my tv series and mymovie and I do so.
Picture this my cloak anddagger season ends.
They, they, they, stormxanne,you know, big fight, big battle
breaks out.
The buildings leveled,destroyed.
Um, in the, in the, in thedepths of the roxanne

(01:07:15):
corporation's basement, theywere withholding something that
they've been experimenting withand it's a symbiote and the
symbiote escapes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I know what you're doing.
Hold on.
You don't know what I'm doing.
No, don't do what's his name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
No, I'm not doing a symbiote, and I'm not doing the
vampire centaur horse symbiote,either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
That's a balanced breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
It's a symbiote with a red tinge and that segues
right into my Spider-Man film,maximum Carnage oh shoot that.
Spider-man film.
Maximum Carnage oh shoot.
That.
Features Cloak and Daggerteaming up with Spider-Man to
take Carnage down.
And then, obviously, tomHolland is back.
I bring in my Cloak and Daggergroup.
Matthew Vaughn will bedirecting that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I quite like that a bit.
I think Matthew Vaughn isawesome.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, he has experience with the superhero
genre, experience with youngeractors, actors and frenetic
action.
Obviously, with Kingsman, Iwill be leaning on the younger
side also with my Carnagecasting Jamie Campbell Bower.
That's good, that's actuallyphenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
If he doesn't play the Joker, then that's
phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Playing Cletus Kasady , and the movie is just about
Spider-Man, tom Holland,spider-man going up, you know
cause we talked about withSpider-Man no way home, where
like it was kind of refreshingto see him go up against like a
proper psychopath and him beinglike what is this?
So the you know, obviously thenext level ascension from Norman

(01:08:45):
not from Willem Dafoe's greengoblin is carnage.
Who is a proper psychopath?
Um, definitely want to leaninto, lean away from the woody
harrelson type of carnage where,like he was kind of like whoa,
he's kind of wacky, like jamiecampbell bauer, like we saw him
in stranger things, like can beproperly scary and that's what I

(01:09:05):
want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
And scary as like jamie campbell bauer, not scary
as vechna, like scary as theactual actor.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah so you bring cloak and dagger in because
they're like, oh no, like, whathave we done?
Like we, we freaking, unearththis monster into new york and
now spider-man's got to dealwith it.
But throughout, throughout thismovie, there's something going
on with ty.
He's a little little off.
No, no, don't say it, he's alittle off.
You don't?
No, no, don't say it, he's alittle off, you don't know why.
And then you get to the end ofthe movie and you realize that

(01:09:33):
tie has been being manipulatedby the spot of Mephisto
nightmare.
And that will segue.
What will propel what I loveabout yeah, see, what I love
about cloak and daggers?
You can just bounce them aroundLike they're messing with
Spider-Man for a little bit.
Now you get to the end and thatwill propel Cloak Dagger to the
future, not to the actualfuture, but the future of their

(01:09:55):
little Cloak Dagger franchise,where they will then next be
seen teaming up with DoctorStrange to cure Ty from whatever
machinations of Mephisto isinfecting his Dark Force
dimension.
And that's for another podcastepisode, holy crap.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
maybe we need to part two this.
All the pitches went great.
Marvel's like hey, bring youguys back, give us more good
ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Like I said, the versatility of characters like
Cloak and Dagger.
They can just bounce around,they can do the street level
stuff, they can do thesupernatural around, they can do
the street level stuff, theycan do the supernatural stuff,
they can do the superheroingstuff.
They can do the superheroingstuff, like you know, just keep
pinballing them from characterto character, Like Tevin,
because like, obviously, look,I'm not dumb, cloak and Dagger's
not making a billion dollars.

(01:10:42):
Put Cloak and Dagger in aSpider-Man movie, though against
man movie, though againstcarnage.
Now we're cooking, and then yousprinkle, like you kind of like
I'm kind of like picturing,like doing a cloak and dagger
with, like what they should havedone with the hulk, and like
sprinkle a little like, put thehulk in this thing, sprinkle a
little hulk lore into your, intoyour movie, into your avengers

(01:11:02):
movie.
But they stopped doing that.
So like I would want that forcloak and dagger.
And then maybe, like you do,like a you know, then you just
keep pinballing them.
Do Dr Strange, do Mephisto donightmare and keep it going.
Um, I didn't really think aboutmy nightmare casting.
I would probably go with what'shis name?
Who played um Ramsey Bolton ingame and Thrones and Maximus and

(01:11:31):
the Inhumans.
Uh, the freak is his name, uh,ewan Rian, just just a pale
creepy looking proper, justvillain, like he's young, like
again same, like on the youngerside of actors like oh, you know
who would play a good nightmare?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
uh, jack O'Connell from Challengers?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
oh yeah, because he can be like even a little bit of
a jerk on top of it too, whichI imagine nightmare is yeah,
yeah, but like we don't seenightmare throughout the movie,
like he's, and then just kind oflike like maybe, maybe, like,
maybe, you know, you get to theend of the movie and like cloak
is kind of like really gettingconsumed, so like tandy takes
him to the sanctum again.

(01:12:08):
That's why I'm, you know,envisioning this whole saga
taking place in new york,because all the heroes are there
now, you know.
I mean I'm building off thefact that all these heroes are
there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
You can spin off whatever this doctor, strange
cloak and dagger project rightinto the main movie team movie,
which would be the midnight sunsat that point, yeah, barring us
getting a blade movie, barringus getting Black Knight and
something then they're alreadyin like Tandy brings Ty to the
Sanctum and Doctor Strange islike Mephisto I know this mark,
it's Mephisto, come with me,children.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
And then you get Benedict Cumberbatch palling
around with a couple youngeractors and he gets to be like he
just gets to be Doctor Strange,he gets to do all the magic-ing
.
You kind of get like tiesidelines.
So it's kind of like Tandy likeoperating by herself for a
little bit.
Yeah yeah, I put some thoughtinto this.

(01:12:59):
I put a little bit of thoughtinto this.
I'm brand synergy, I'm a bigbrand synergy guy, I like it.
And then Spider-Man just keepsSpider-Man-ing.
Like I'm a big brand synergyguy, I like it.
And then Spider-Man just keepSpider-Man-ing Like I'm not
worried, I'm not involved in theSpider-Man sect of the Marvel
Universe, that's Sony's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
I used him to get.
No, I used the Spider-Man todestroy the Spider-Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
I used Spider-Man to make Cloak and Dagger more
powerful and more profitable.
Spider-man's always going to beprofitable, me, my money.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
This is crazy man.
What have you done?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
and then you get like a cool like just think about
that third act fight scenespider-man and cloak and dagger
fighting carnage that wouldprobably go insane.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
venom comes out To help.
He just shows up, tom Hardy,why not?
Maybe he's like the ex-Machinahe catches Venom's punch before
it stabs Spider-Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I do a cool callback to the to the pastor joke from
Venom 2.
Not you father, you father.
The crowd goes, supes goes wild.
He understood that referencehe's in.
But yeah, it's a little you,it's.
It's like the cloak and daggershow is a little more elevated,
like street level.

(01:14:06):
Ish, spider-man carnage, youget, it's getting a little wacky
.
End of the spider-man moviemagic and now we're doing magic.
But again, that's why cloak anddagger are great avatars,
because they fit into all typesof genre in Marvel.
Hmm, yeah, and you obviouslycall it Spider-Man Maximum

(01:14:28):
Carnage because, of course, oh,in keeping with the classic
Marvel tradition of we're goingto name it after this famous
comic and not have anything todo with the comic, you just name
it Maximum Carnage and call ita day Outstanding.
Yeah, and you don't killCarnage at.
Call it a day Outstanding.
Yeah, and you don't kill Carnageat the end, like they did in
Venom 2.
No, you put him in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
You put him in a low security prison where he
conceivably will break out, andthen you do a post-credits scene
with Michael Keaton again andhe gets the Carnage symbiote?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
No, no.
Then we can start talkingsymbiotes.
I, then we can start talkingsymbiotes.
I'll hand the cloak and daggerbrains off to somebody else and
I'll take over the symbiote sectof the Marvel Cinematic
Universe.
Then we get extreme-biote.
We bring Robert Downey Jr back.
This is insane.
Iron man, your suit's beenhijacked by a symbiote are you

(01:15:16):
much cooler now actually,alright, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I'm so torn about this one.
I was also torn.
The tv show pitch is difficult,but the movie pitch is like you
need a grand idea becauseobviously you want to make money
, you want to hit your billiondollars.
Uh, you want to hit yourbillion, you want to do all
these fun things, right.
So you keep this one simple.
But dead bull and and Wolverinemade a billion dollars, uh-oh.

(01:15:41):
Once upon a time we got the jokeof the X-Force.
How about we do a tried andtrue X-Force movie?
Some of the best parts ofDeadpool and Wolverine were
actually some of Wolverine'ssomber backstory.
Yeah, and we kind of said like,not only like, it's not that
he's cool, it's not that he'sback.
That was the best Hugh Jackmanhad been as Wolverine outside of

(01:16:04):
Logan.
So you're talking like a primeversion of Wolverine.
That is the absolute best hehad been up to that point.
Just do do the X-Force now.
Like, this is the prime time todo the X-Force.
But you do something simple.
You go to your local comic bookstore.
You reach on the shelf, yougrab Rick Remender's X-Force run

(01:16:30):
and you do the run.
This is going to do a fewthings.
The number one piece about thisX-Force run is that Deadpool is
the emotional core of this team.
I think that is a phenomenalidea and the next natural
progression for Ryan Reynolds tobe like wait a minute, I don't
need to be the butt of everysingle joke, I'm still gonna be
me, but like I'm gonna feelsomething, um, like I'm actually
gonna be somebody, somebodyfeel something.

(01:16:50):
Two, you get to bring your oldactors back again, and the main
one you're gonna do you're gonnabring olivia munn back as
psylocke oh, yes, I love that'realso going to bring the
original person that playedAngel in X-Men Last Stand.
I forget his name.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
That was what's his name.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah, yeah, he's the guy from the things he actually
has been in a bunch of stuff.
Yeah, freaking Ben Foster.
Yeah, ben Foster, you bring BenFoster back as Angel in this
movie.
How old is Ben Foster?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
He's older now.
He's like 40-something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I still think he plays Angel in this.
He plays an older version ofAngel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
You've got to convince him to get in wicked
shape, though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
He's 44.
He's not and Hugh Jackman's 95,so we're good.
But yeah, I'd take a shot onthis one and you bring ben
foster back because, like Iguarantee you he probably wasn't
pitched that way for x-men laststand, like he probably wasn't
pitched the way that they madeangel in that movie to be a c
character in that movie.
So, like, let him have his fun.

(01:17:52):
Or you get the, the younger guythat played him in x-men
apocalypse.
You do the first arc becauseit's one of the best comic arcs
I've ever read.
I love it because it's anargument.
It's such a good theme.
It's the baby Hitler thing.
Do you time travel and murderbaby Hitler to prevent
everything?
And then, if you want to putthe Marvelisms on top of it, you

(01:18:15):
play by the rules.
Like, hey, we have a chance tokill Apocalypse right as a baby.
I don't know how he came back,I don't know what happened, I
don't know who's pulling strings, but somebody needed baby
apocalypse back.
They got baby apocalypse backand we know what he's gonna grow
up into.
He's gonna scorch the earth ifwe let him.
But then deadpool magic's.
He's like I don't think this ismorally okay.

(01:18:37):
This child didn't do anythingyet.
That child is innocent rightnow, obviously obviously
Wolverine's like.
Deadpool.
Two thing yes, yes, withRussell Firefist.
Yeah, do you tread all theground?
Maybe, but I think you can dothis in a way where it's like
you get apocalypse and you getlike a.
You get a kid actor to playapocalypse like and you do X

(01:18:59):
force.
But it's not a comedynecessarily this time.
It's like an action dramedythis time.
And, like I said, I think I'mbringing David Leitch back,
especially with what he's done.
I don't know if David Leitchplays too much of having a lot
of fun with his movies now,which is great.
Obviously, that's an amazingthing.
That's not a bad thing.
Obviously, off the fall guy,I'm just thinking action based

(01:19:27):
based off that opinion and his,obviously, like he's already
been in the deadpool franchise,um, I think you bring david
leach back to direct this.
But, like I said, like you doheavy hand to hand, you have fun
, like, don't have to do abillion like cgi effects,
anything like that too.
Uh, here's your twist, here'sthe big thing.
The fifth member of this teamis phantom x.
No, phantom x does not take off.
That mask this whole movie.
Phantom x keeps that mask onthe whole movie we're doing, uh,

(01:19:49):
doing the old what's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
from teen titans also an x yeah, red x.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I forget who, what his name was.
I love teen titans.
You keep this simple.
You never take off Phantom X'smask.
Do all the comic Phantom X-isms, all the things.
You don't need to dip into theMojo World stuff, but like
Phantom X's ship that's alive,all these things.
You just know he's a mutant.
You just know he has his powersand misdirection, all these
things, that's it.
And he's just now hand-to-hand,just like can go toe to toe

(01:20:19):
with Deadpool, that's it.
That's it.
You do your big reveal at theend.
It's.
It's James McAvoy playing whoPhantom X in some iterations is,
which is Charles Xavier himself, like that's.
That's kind of how it plays out.
So I think that would be insane.
That'd be so cool.
It gets.
It gets James McAvoy back inthis franchise, but it gets

(01:20:39):
James McAvoy back in thisfranchise.
But also it gets James McAvoyactive.
Sorry, professor X, that wasn'tan ableism joke.
That's not going to go overwell with the woke mom, sorry,
but I think a tried and trueX-Force movie.
You do what they're doing withTom and I love James Gunn's
approach that he's taking.
He's like if Tom King wroteSupergirl Woman tomorrow, why
shouldn't he help us make themovie?

(01:21:00):
Do the same thing.
You bring Rick Remender in tohelp make this movie.
You get David Leitch, obviously, hugh Jackman, ryan Reynolds,
olivia Munn, ben Foster, jamesMcAvoy that's a pretty good cast
of characters to lead the movie.
You keep it simple, you get acharacter to play.
If you want to like, like,centralize it a little bit, you

(01:21:21):
probably get mr sinister to bethe one that's been pulling the
strings to make sure thatapocalypse came back, so
apocalypse can then in turn makehim the horseman and then it's
a closed loop and then we canget all confused again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I think that would be a fun ride so you're really
testing the, uh, the dramaticchops of deb hul I want to see
it like I want to see.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
I want to see it Like I want to see.
I want to see it.
I like, I want to see the shiftto go away from like it's not,
like it shouldn't be.
Like a funny Deadpool presentsthe X-Force again.
Like what?
Like no, we're doing an X-Forcemovie where Hugh Jackman and
Ryan Reynolds are the maincharacters, but still, and play
off Deadpool and Wolverine.

(01:22:05):
This is the sequel to this movie.
Still, but have it be likewhatever universe they're in,
they're going forward in thisuniverse.
And like this is the x-men hitteam that people can't know
about.
And like again for the x-men 97jokes like who apocalypse?
Like this universe has alreadyrounded out apocalypse already.
They already defeatedapocalypse at some point.
And this universe like do itlike have kid apocalypse?
Be there and be like oh, shoot,oh dear.
Like, oh, like literally, ohdear.
Like do we need to murder thischild?
And like deadpool's the firstone, that's like no.

(01:22:27):
And again, maybe to your point,you use his experience with
russell.
Be like no, like you can'tnecessarily do that.
But then now, who's there?
Now wolverine's there, to belike yeah, we can.
Like you know who's he gonnagrow up to be.
How many lives did he take?
How many mutants did he corrupt?
Like we're gonna keep doingthis or no?
Like psylocke's, like psylockeand or olivia munn and ben

(01:22:49):
foster have their relationshipin this movie.
Like they're around the sameage too, right, olivia?
Yeah, munn's not.
Uh, how old is olivia munn?
She is, she's 44.
They're the exact same age,perfect.
So I feel like that would play.
That would play really cool,like you do, like I said, like
you, literally just the same way, james gunn's taking what

(01:23:09):
supergirl woman of tomorrow?
Take that first act of rickremender's x-force and you turn
that into the movie and you, youco-tail it off the heels right
of deadpool and wolverine, butyou kind of spin it a little bit
more dramatically.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah, I really like that.
I like that because it also,like it, doesn't it alleviates,
like Deadpool, fatigue.
I'm like, oh, he's just doingthis again, which I mean to be
fair, like all three of thosemovies have been wildly
successful, but still, like, atthe same time, like you do want,
like let's see what else, let'ssee what else this character's
got, like I said, put him intolike the main, like emotional

(01:23:43):
core of this thing like make himlike make him like the actually
morally, like hey, maybe it'snot right to murder a child,
maybe that's not overtly thefirst answer we should have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah, and like I feel like the james mcavoy reveal
would be insane.
Like you can spin it a littlebit, because I think the comic
way is like it's the comic, soit's dumb.
It's not dumb, but it's likejust convoluted in a way, but
like you can simplify it alittle bit.
Like you can do a clone, youcan do all.
Like whatever you choose to do.
You know what I mean, but Ijust feel like it would be a
cool and also like cool, alsolike invokes like the dead, not

(01:24:16):
deadpool, the wolverineor Xrelationship that the movies
built up.
They were like thicker thanthieves the two of them, and it
gets James McAvoy into thatpiece too.
It kind of furthers the Days ofFuture Past relationship that
they had too.
I really like that.
The reveal happens and thenthey're like what the Charles is

(01:24:38):
that you Kind of oh dear, ohdear, oh dear, get out of here,
beast.
They should just put NicholasHolt's Beast.
No, put Kelsey Grammer Put hisBeast in there For no reason.
But yeah, rick RemembersX-Force, the first arc, with the
whole apocalypse being back andbeing like, oh shoot this can't

(01:25:02):
be good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
It's never.
It's never good when apocalypseis involved.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Um nice I can't believe ben foster and olivia
munner are the same age.
I know right now this movieneeds to get made right like
this is a heaven.
Yeah, james max mcavoy.
I mean I'm holding my theorythat I just think keep it simple
, mcu, and just have him and fatspenderender be Professor X and
Magneto again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Yeah, it's weird Because now they're older, they
aged into it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Especially Michael Fassbender.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
They're too young to do those characters now.
Nope, nope, it's been 100 yearssince they've been those
characters.
So they've actually agedperfectly.
Maybe that was the plan allalong, and they're both
phenomenal.
Because Kevin Feige wasinvolved with those X-Men movies
, right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
The original ones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Okay, I was going to say this was the long con by
Kevin Feige.
He kept those guys on ice untilthey aged into their roles.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Cool man, I'll give you an opportunity.
If you want, you can give me aone-shot, if you want, from one
of your ideas that you probablyhave.
You can give me a one shotreally quick, like a special,
like the Marvel presents.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Oh, like a werewolf by night-esque type deal.
I mean the easiest one and Ialmost went full send with it.
But it's an idea that me andyou have kicked around so many
times and it's the heroes forhire thing with Mike Colter and
Finn Jones Love it.
I just let them beat up somegangsters.
I have that written down righthere Like an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I literally have that written down right here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
And like 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
The only reason I didn't I could have won a.
There's an alternate universewhere I want.
Heroes for hire was mytelevision show and silver
surfer black was my movie.
I just think a long form forsilver server would be a little
cooler.
Um, but I love it.
I love it.
I love a hero, heroes for hire,anything like same, your same
thought about, like cloak anddagger, being able to like
inflect characters, and samething.
You can infuse anybody intothis narrative and it would make

(01:26:57):
sense.
Like daredevil can show up,jessica jones can show up.
But you can go even further,like if shang chi, if seymour
blue showed up, I wouldn't evenbat an eye.
Yeah, if freaking blade showedup, but he already was, he
already was what's cotton mouth?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
and I wouldn't bat an eye can somebody please help me
fight these vampires?
No, no, we're not going toblade.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Yeah but you're, but you but you're bulletproof.
Yeah, luke cage can't be bittenbitten by a vampire if they
bite him in the eye maybe.
Oh, remember when they did thatin season one?
Yeah, they did that in jessicajones.
Yeah, man, remember when heshowed up in jessica jones?
Everybody's like yo, this isamazing, and he's a bartender he
was a cool bartender.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I love the way he fights in those shows.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
You know what, what I would absolutely love Because
this happened in the comics thatthey have a kid together, and
that's what part of the JessicaJones show is about.
Like it's just their parentsnow A sitcom, hey man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
A Luke Cage Jessica Jones sitcom, but like Malcolm,
in the Middle-esque.
Yeah, I love the way he fightsin those shows, man, he fights
like Steven Seagal.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I told you that he's just batting people inside.
But yeah, heroes, I would justdo a Heroes for Hire.
Fifty minutes of just Luke Cageand Iron Fist just beating up
gangsters, I think that would befun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
I'm gonna go with a last-stitch King Thor story.
Oh, with a last stitch kingthor story.
Oh, an old man, an old man,thor.
So give me an, give me chrishemsworth.
Old man crips hemsworth.
He's got his daughters runningaround kind of doing his bidding
, um, but I want it to be like,if this makes sense, I want it
to be like a bit of like aasgard conspiracy.

(01:28:38):
That's happened all these years, but you find out it was gore
pulling these strings, who neverdied in the first place.
You convince Christian Bale tocome back in some way, shape or
form, for a Marvel Presents onDisney+.
This one's more hypotheticals,and just we're having a little
bit of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
This guy spent the Disney Plus budget on his On
Christian Bale.
Just Christian Bale.
Have him look like gore thistime.
Maybe we're having a little bitof fun.
But this guy spent the disneyplus budget on his on christian
bale, just christian bale.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Have him look like gore this time, maybe him baby,
uh, but yeah, I feel like it'dbe fun.
You bring back tom hiddleston,you bring back chris hemsworth,
you bring back christian bale.
Um, you, just you play the hitsessentially like but this is
just like an homage to like oneof the most 10 tenured
characters in the mcu and likehe's an old man now, like he's
the kid.
He's like rune king thor, solike his power, has power, like

(01:29:26):
he's just stupid powerful.
But like gore's just likemanipulating.
Maybe gore gets to one of hisdaughters as well too and kind
of manipulates her to try totake the throne of asgard and
take his power from him as welltoo.
Loki's kind of like doing hisloki isms, like he still is the
god of stories, this good, buthe still has a little bit of
like this like he can't shake it.

(01:29:48):
Like, but then in the end hedoes.
He like he realizes no, that'smy brother.
Like I'll never let anythinghappen to him.
Like I feel like that would bea fun, like one shot.
Like old man thor, like apossible future-esque, like gore
, comes back and like at the endthor like stands up.
Obviously he wouldn't have hisarm, he'd have like that metal
arm.
He'd have store, he'd havestormbreaker he'd have.

(01:30:11):
Like he'd just come up and he'dbe like you must have forgot
who I am.
Like I know I'm in this old mansitting on this throne and like
if it's been like years for him, how many years has it been in
like earth years?
Like we're in the far, farfuture, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like sure, I'm still the god ofthunder at the end of the day
and I'm gonna show you howpowerful I am.
And like they just come toblows for like the last 10

(01:30:32):
minutes, just this absolutelyuniverse breaking fight between
the two of them.
Like he's got the necro swordagain, but like this time it's
like proper necro sword.
You'll be sick if he couldwield mjolnir in that too.
Like gore found a way tomanipulate mjolnir to be wielded
by himself I love.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
I love the dichotomy of our ideas where I was like I
stuck more like street levelstuff and went like just cosmic.
I think that's really cool.
What's your?

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
favorite marvel movie man, it's probably winter
soldier still, and mine'sguardians of the galaxy that
that kind of backs up theseideas yeah, it's still probably
winter soldier um.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
So yeah, that that was fun, we've got approved
budgets approved.
I got nine universal acclaim.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I got $900 million for my, for my Thor one shot.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Um, so, so, recapping , um, I have pitched the the
cloak and dagger cinematicuniverse, basically, um,
starting with a cloak and daggermini series on Disney, plus, um
daredevil Born Again inspired,bringing back our two original
actors, olivia Holt and AubreyJoseph, bleeding into a

(01:31:49):
Spider-Man sequel, maximumCarnage that will then also
bleed into a Doctor Strangesequel, all of which Cloak
Dagger will play, like I said,kind of like Hulk-inspired, like
Clo and dagger running doinghaving their own little story
inside of these other films.
Um, I think would be really,really cool.
And then on your side you havea silver surfer black inspired

(01:32:11):
silver surfer tv series and ax-force inspired well, not
x-force silver surfer blackwould be a little, a little
looser than the comic, I think,because I want it to be like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I want it to be like a real cinematic feel to it,
like that's what I'd really wantto be, like this is like a,
this is like a film or this islike a, like this is event
television.
Yeah, um, the x-force obviouslywould be a little bit more act,
not a little bit a lot moreaction, heavy um.
But I want david leach to leadinto what he does, especially
with psylocke, especially withwolverine, especially with
deadpool, especially withphantom x, like that's a great

(01:32:44):
cast of characters to do it with.
Um.
And then, yeah, my king thor,like it's like one, it's like
also, like it's a metacommentary on, like chris
hemsworth himself in the mcu,like he's one of the oldest
guard of the mcu, still kicking,like I think he would have fun,
and all of them would have fun,to get back together one more
time.
Tiger Watiti's not invited.

(01:33:04):
No, he can't come.
Korg's not there.
That's not the story we'retelling.
That's not the story we'retelling.
If this Hercules thing worksout, him and Hercules being two
god bro, best friends that bothsit on the thrones of their
respective pantheons, obviouslyOdin, and two god bro best
friends that both sit on thethrones of their respective yeah
, respective like pantheons,like like obviously, odin and
zeus would be dead by this time.

(01:33:25):
So like hercules is like what'sup, bro, and thor's like what's
up, bro.
Remember remember back then,dude, when we were fighting that
one time and thor 5, directedby george miller, remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
um, and then yeah, heroes for hire.
Obviously.
Why hasn't?
Why are we not doing this?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
I just don't finn jones is good people, put him in
, put him, give him a chance.
I feel like it's gonna happen,I think they're gonna do.
I and again, like there's sucha layup to give him like, if
they're gonna do it, just theone piece of advice go full,
send like make him iron fist.
Like don't do this, his powersdon't work, he can't figure it
out, the suit doesn't.
No, no, no.

(01:34:02):
Make him Iron Fist.
Like pick up the Immortal IronFist, run and just do it.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Yeah, fun stuff Bring back, yeah Do all of those
things.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Yes, thank you, panel , for joining us.
They're all here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Thank you guys.
That's it.
That's going to do it for us.
Man, now I just I need thatCloak Dagger stuff.
I need more Cloak Dagger stuffin my life.
That show is good, man, thatshow is good.
That show is really good, thatlittle ABC family era of Marvel

(01:34:37):
Ages of SHIELD.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Cloak, dagger.
Yeah, the late seasons ofagents of shield, cloak and
dagger runaways, like we were,like we said wait, wait a minute
, that's a good.
This is a lot of good stuff inthere.
Man, the runaways, that's ashow right there.
That's a show.
We might have to talk aboutthat one day.
I would love to.
That is a.
That's a show, especially thatfirst season.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Pull it out, pull out of the vault, pull that show
out of the vault and then reviewit.
That'd be really cool, um, butthat is going to do it for us
this week.
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That's a project.
I almost forgot his line.

(01:35:15):
No, I didn.

(01:35:40):
Next week, we are going topreview Captain America 4 Brave
New World by talking about SamWilson his journey in the MCU,
starting with Captain Americathe Winter Soldier, obviously,
going through Age of Ultron,infinity War, endgame, civil War
, culminating with the Falconand the Winter Soldier and
bleeding into Captain america,brave new world.
Um, really, really coolcharacter.
That marvel kind of raised umthrough the mcu.
Um, we were joking, uh,watching, kind of watching some
fight scenes last week.
We're just like and sam sam wasdoing this when he was just and
he still is just a regular,regular guy, yeah there's no,

(01:36:02):
he's not gonna take the serum inthe movie anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
He's just a guy.
He's just a guy.
At the end of the day, whatthey need really need to play up
.
It's what makes him be able tocarry that shield, and it's why
john walker couldn't carry theshield, it's why bucky can't,
but it's why sam can't.
He's just a good guy that wantsto do the right thing.
It is very simple why somebodyneeds the shield of Captain
America and he's gonna fight airshow Monday no, did we talk

(01:36:27):
about that on here?
yeah, we did.
I don't know how you got on.
I don't know how it was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Like the who you said you asked you who the craziest
character was oh yeah he's backfor the corpse of his frozen
celestial child and then him andsam him, and then sam and red
hulk team up to fight ayrsham.
I can do cosmic stories too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
All right, but your cosmic stories should be snl
skits.
You want me come and get me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Oh, shoot you, shoot.
You're airing from the judge.
That guy is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
I just imagined the Willem Dafoe meme from Eternal
Eternal.
He's gay.
He shows up on Earth and Sam'slike oh shoot, he's here for me,
isn't he?
He's right behind me, isn't he?
He's right behind everybody,sam.
He's as big as five planets.
He's behind everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
How come not everyone on planet Earth saw that at the
end of Returnals I?

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
thought they did, did they?
Or did he just show up inLondon?
That's the funniest kid, andit's that Erisham just showed up
in London.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Because he was huge yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
I don't know.
And the wind blew everybodyback Like what the yeah they
were like wait a minute back,like what the yeah, they were
like wait a minute, wait,remember that thing in the
Indian Ocean, that's gotta behis dad, right, he's gotta come.
My son, my boy, no, they needto do a Finding Nemo son with
Arishem and Tiamat.
That movie would play FindingTiamat, that's the movie that I

(01:37:57):
want.
And Arisham is marlin in thismovie and somehow still voiced
by what's his name somehow itall comes back to arisham it was
arisham all along it's the sameamount of syllables we gotta
get out of here, man, we dogotta get.
I was just singing on on here Igotta, we're gonna talk.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Uh yeah, we're gonna talk about cast america next
week.
Um, yeah, until then, from me,from the careful man, um, from
the um, there's a lot of ways Ican go here, a lot of things I
could do.
Let me see.
Let me see something.
Nope, I have an idea in my head.

(01:38:37):
I just gotta be really carefulum no, rob.
I have an idea in my head.
I just gotta Be really careful.
Um no, rob, no, not no.
Rob Liefeld wrote X-Force.
I was gonna give you the writerof the X-Force, but it's Rob
Liefeld.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So you can't no, give me likeRick Remender If you were gonna
do the writer of the X-, give meRick Remender.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Yeah, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
I think I can write.
Alright.
Why didn't you give me likeDonny Cates?
I was thinking about it.
He's like the golden boy ofMarvel.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
True Is that what you strive to be the golden boy of
Marvel, even though you justcost them a true trillion
dollars making a Thor one shot.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
But Christian Bale's back and he said yes, a Thor one
shot.
But Christian Bale's back andhe said yes, and he's in full
true gore getup.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Court.
50 people watched your DisneyPlus series, your Disney Plus
one shot of Thor and it madenegative two trillion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Okay, Did you spend $850 million?
I told you to use this for 12movies.
I didn't.
I don't know what happened, kev, is that what you want me to
million?
I told you to use this for 12movies.
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
I don't know what happened Kev.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Is that what you want me to say?
I don't know what happened.
You ballooned the budget.
Why are you ballooning thebudget?
You've never seen visualeffects like this before.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
You've never seen a more overpaid cast for less
screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Oh, let me take that back.
You know who I'm getting todirect my X-Force movie Gareth
Edwards.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
The GOAT.
There you go.
You just made all your moneyback because he's going to spend
$13 making that X-Force movie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Yeah, he's going to be like here's $300 million.
He'll be like you know what.
Give it to him for that X-Force, that Thor, one shot that he
wants to make, Because he's agood fella, I'll take $13.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Yeah, can I have $10,000?

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
He's like Garrett.
This is a one day of 10 secondsof shooting costs $10,000.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
And um, alright, that was fun, fun episode.
Yeah, it was Um, we will seeyou next week for some Sam
Wilson, sam Wilson talk.
Sam Sam Wilson talk.
Sam Wilson talk next week onthe podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
That's what we're going to call it.
We're going to bring AnthonyMackie on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
He's coming in.
He's coming in.
We had our last guests and nowno speaking roles, though.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Yeah, we only have two microphones.
Yeah, you guys will never knowif they're actually here or not.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Yeah, they're here, don't worry.
All right, guys, we'll see you.

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