147 - Gene Hackman, The Oscars 2025 & Captain America: Brave New World - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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I'm rob, I'm here, as always,with court and court, we finally
are getting around to talkingabout captain america it's been
a journey.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's been a journey for this movie.
I mean, this is the first.
It's the first massivefranchise release of the year,
if I'm not not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, pretty easily too.
I think this was one thatpeople were I don't know if
excited is the word more likecurious.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I think it ranged anywhere from curiosity to some
animosity.
I think that was kind of likethe pendulum that this movie was
floating on and it'sunfortunate.
I mean, we talked a whole bunchabout Anthony Mackie and how
much we liked him and how much Ithink he's so correct and right
for this role, and once we sortof talk about the fan reception
of this movie and the criticalreception of this movie, you'll

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kind of understand that thismovie was already at an uphill
battle.
You know what I mean.
Like this movie was alreadykind of at like a, it was
already at a ramp that I wastrying to, instead of being on
like this straight path road tokind of, you know, navigate.
And it's unfortunate, but Istill think with what, given
Anthony Mackie does a great job,that's undeniable.
Harrison Ford you know theextenuating circumstance of

(01:36):
William Hurt still stinks,because obviously I still think
William Hurt would have beenincredible.
But obviously adaptationhappened and Harrison Ford was
phenomenal.
I mean he's such what a get.
And you know, I know Feige wastalking about the story of them
getting Harrison Ford andAnthony Mackie said it.
It's like Feige, like he pausedfor a second.
He's like we got Harrison Fordand like it's one of those like

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inside looking out type ofthings, because it's like
thinking as, like a fan, you'relike cool, that's harrison ford,
that's indiana jones, but likeas an actor, that's like getting
like lebron james on your team.
You're just like what the hecklike, how did you, how were you
able to manage to get him?
So?
Just absolutely, absolutely.
The performances I really wantto highlight when we talk about
this movie carl lumley'sperformance oh my god, yeah, as
isaiah bradley was truthfullysomething like.
It was truthfully somethinglike.
That's one of thoseperformances that was almost too

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good to be in a movie like thisas well too.
Um, obviously there's things Iwant to talk about and we want
to talk about about this movieon.
You know things that were good.
You know things that we didn'tlove, but at the end of the day,
that's just cool that thingslike this exist.
Like imagine we're this farinto the mcu where we on our
second Captain America andAnthony Mackie gives it his all.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think we'll talk about this in depth
a little bit, but I think theperformances across the board
were all really good, with onekind of glaring omission that
we're going to have to talkabout.
But yeah, I think all acrossthe board this movie was fun.
It was a good fun time.
Yes, and we'll talk about thatmore in depth.
It was fun, it was a good funtime.
Yes, and we'll talk about thatmore in depth.

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But I do want to talk about acouple other things.
First and foremost,unfortunately, we had some
really, really horrific newsover the last week, and that is
that Gene Hackman, alongside hiswife, were found deceased in
their home.
You know the circumstances, bywhich are still unknown at this
time.
There were theories aboutcarbon monoxide or whatever.

(03:27):
That seems to have been not thecase.
So there's still so much tounpack, but I mean regardless of
anything.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's unfortunate.
That's the one thing we justwant to overstate like rest in
peace to Gene Hackman.
I mean, I mean legendarylegendary is an understatement.
I mean the, the editor of theConversation, literally changed
the philosophy on which moviesare edited because of the
structure and the not thepompous, but the give that Gene

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Hackman and the questions andlike the pondering of how to
even edit.
You know such a prolific actor,and I mean you run through the
70s, I mean you talk about 70snoir and like the kick that it
made into US cinema.
Like Gene Hackman is vehementlytied to that piece.
I mean, like I said, throughFrench Connection, through
Conversation, like Gene Hackmanfrom the 50s, 60s, all the way

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you know, up until you know, Ibelieve he stopped acting what
2002, 2003 to the early 2000s.
I mean Gene Hackman is one ofthe most legendary actors but
he's also so, he's sostrong-willed in his acting,
he's so sure in his acting and Iremember, you know this one
hurts me in a weird way.
We have a family tradition whereevery I don't know when it

(04:42):
started, I don't know when itstarted, I don't know how it
started but the Wednesday beforeThanksgiving obviously nobody
wants to cook that day becauseyou're going to do all the
cooking tomorrow.
So we always used to gettakeout food of whatever but for
whatever reason X amount ofyears ago, we just decided to
watch Crimson Tide every singleyear.
So Gene Hackman has been a partof my life for so long, in my

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life too, and it's justabsolutely incredible.
You know the, the grandeur thathe speaks with um, he's a
commander, he's he's a commanderin the way that he acts and
he's absolutely, you know, oneof those voices, it's one of
those faces, it's one of thoseperformances wherever it is.
He's versatile, uh, but he'sdialed.
I mean, he was one of theabsolute all-time greatest

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actors to ever walk the face ofthis planet and it just sucks
that he's gone.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, 95 years old, incredible life, incredible
legacy.
I mean you talk about theFrench Connection.
You talk about Superman, wherehe portrayed Lex Luthor in the
Christopher Reeves films.
You talk about Unforgiven,obviously one of his most famous
performances of the early 90s.
I love Enemy of the early 90s,um, I love enemy of the state.
Yes, he's, he's incredible andthat's that movie was really the

(05:49):
first kind of foray for willsmith into like kind of like a
drama type of deal, um, and tobe able to star opposite of gene
hackman in that movie, I meanhe's incredible in that.
Um, the replacements, you knowsports movie got in there right,
um, one of you know, funnyenough, the replacements is one
of his last films because, asyou said, he stopped um acting
in in the early 2000s.
You know, just hung it up, youknow basically stress test.

(06:13):
You know just health-wise justdidn't, didn't want to continue
acting and and you know again,just incredible career,
incredible tragedy, tragedy.
And you know it's unfortunate,it's really really unfortunate.
But coming off the back oflosing Gene Hackman, we did have
the Oscars as well, which wekind of previewed a little bit

(06:35):
last episode.
And what else can you say,onora, probably the big winner
here.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, and it's funny.
I watched Onora three hoursbefore the Oscar because I just
had a feeling it was going towin.
I mean, sean Baker issomebody's career.
I've been following, you know,as long as I remember, really
getting into movies and reallyloving movies.
I mean you're talking about aguy that won Sundance off of an
iPhone and now he's getting hisflowers as a four-time Oscar
winner in one night.

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And I mean his body of work.
He's a resourceful filmmaker.
He's like the truest form ofthe indie filmmaker himself.
So huge shout out to Sean Baker.
I always like to blanketstatement, and if I haven't
before, I'm sorry, because thisis our fourth Oscars we're
talking about, I believe this isour third or fourth Oscars?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Third, I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah that we're talking about.
I'll preface it with this theOscars needs to be about the
celebration of film.
This through line keeps gettinglost year in year out.
I was rolling through Twitter,which was my mistake during the
Oscars, and in one tweet, I hatethis person.
In the next tweet, I love thisperson.
In the next tweet.
I hate this person In the nexttweets.

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I hate this person.
The next tweets.
You deserve to die.
It's just, it's absurd.
It's absurd and every singleyear.
Like my favorite parts of theOscars are when, like the best
picture candidates start rollingthrough and like they show,
like the little sizzle reel, andI'm like this is the beauty and
the magic of what films are.
It's like the actors talkingabout performances, whether you
liked it or not, like that's thesubjective nature, um, of the

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craft that you're doing.
Like I just I love movies, Iwill always love movies.
Like that's why I watch theoscars.
Because it's like this grandcelebration of you know it's the
biggest night in movie historyand movies are, like you know,
movies dominate the modernculture.
Like it's literally like youreference things.
It's like if there weren't formovies, these things wouldn't be
referenced.
Like we wouldn't think aboutthese things.
Pop culture runs off a movie.
So it's literally like youreference things.
It's like if there weren't formovies, these things wouldn't be
referenced, like we wouldn'tthink about these things.
Pop culture runs off a movie.
So it's such as things that'singrained in this into our

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society as an art it is.
The art is filmmaking.
So filmmaking and music are thetwo arts that kind of run the
world.
So I mean I just hope, hope,hope.
Like it's just there.
There felt like there was thisloss this year, like there was
too much extracurricular andpeople forgot about you know the
why?
Like it's because we love thesemovies.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I mean there were a plethora of kind of
storylines going into thesaucers, a lot of which seemed
to be kind of like at least theheadline grabbers, a lot of
which seemed to be like negative.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, yeah, this year already had an uphill battle
and I feel like we kind ofpredicted that from last year,
especially because last year wasso prominent.
I mean, last year you had upand up like last year is exactly
the oscars that you want, likeI think it was the most watched
oscars that it had been in solong, like they finally got
viewership back up, like that'sexactly what you wanted out of

(09:24):
an oscars you want, like what'scrazy is, imagine you put conan
in last year's oscars.
Oh boy, like that would havebeen like an absolute treat.
So, um, I really love, um, I'mjust trying to pinpoint some
things.
I you know how I want to spend.
I want to talk positives, likeI just like I'm yeah, I'm kind
of sick of talking I alwayshaving to think negatively or I
have to hate this thing to belike no, um, positives I want to

(09:47):
think about.
I mean, um, Mikey Madisonwinning best best actress is
incredible You're talking about.
She's got such a, she's got suchlike this like edge to her and
she's so unassuming with thatedge and that's like that's some
truthfully great acting.
I mean you, if I, like I said,I watched Nora a little bit
before the Oscars came on andshe's got such this like she's

(10:08):
so rugged but she's also so like, pronounced Like it's really
like.
She's somebody that, like youcan follow around a room, you
can one-track follow her arounda room and you're interested
with whatever she's doing.
She's a real versatile actor.
So I think she's got theabsolute brightest of career and
to win, you know, best actressby 25, that's like actresses
would hope to win that in theirlifetime and she has won by her
25th birthday.

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So that's absolutely amazing.
Um, obviously, a Nora winningthe best picture is awesome.
Um, I'm trying to think of someother ones that came about this
as well, too.
My absolute favorite one of thenight by a long long, the
longest shot, was Kieran Culkinwinning for a real pain.
That was the first Oscar moviethat I watched in my Oscars
track.
You're talking about such likea I love thinking about, like

(10:53):
the thought process of the.
You know the complexities ofsimplicity and the simplicity of
complexity.
Like that's a true summation ofhis performance in a real pain,
Like it's so simple of, likehe's just.
You know he's this like down onhis luck guy that lives in his
basement, but like you'd neverknow it Cause he's so
charismatic to everybody outsideand Jesse Eisenberg's work on
that movie is absolutelyincredible.

(11:15):
Um, but Kieran Culkin, like it'sthe perfect.
It's like one of those likeactor, director relationships
that kind of like are not goingto be thought about too much but
are so prominent.
And kieran is just he'sheartbreaking in that movie.
But he's so funny, he's stilllike he.
That's truthfully, he feelslike a real person, like that's.
That's why I love thatperformance so much.
So made me happy.
His speech made me really happytoo.

(11:36):
He's just like such like a guyyou want to be around and he's
like such this guy thateverybody loves in hollywood.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
So yeah, I mean, yeah , I think I think that's a good
point too, just like harping onthe positives of this thing,
especially because, like it feltlike there were like these
groundswells of negativitysurrounding the show, like you
know, for at first, like thefirst kind of like ebb of that
was like the dune thing we'redoing it felt like was kind of
not getting its shine.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then there was like the amelia perez thing, um,
yeah and, to be honest, I won't, I don't even want to, you know
, I don't even want to dip intoanything like that.
Like, yeah, you won the awards.
Cool, like cool, you won yourawards.
Cool, like you did your thing.
Zoe won like it was a weirdthing.
Not weird because of it beingweird.
It was weird and like a goodway to think about it when zoe

(12:24):
won because obviously I wantedum.
I forget who else was in thatcategory.
I believe it was, uh, monicabarb, uh barbara, yeah for um,
for a complete unknown um.
And she really got sometraction there at the end too
and the in the late award stages.
But I had grown up withzoealdana like my whole life,

(12:45):
like in these massive franchises, like my first exposure to her
was Star Trek, like 2009.
And like my favorite thingabout her, regardless of what
you want to see in the movie,she acts with such ferocity to
any role that she has, like anyrole that she has.
like you're getting suchhumanity out of any role that

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she gets, which I reallyappreciate.
So, like I said, the point Iwant to make for her, like I
don't really want to harp onAmelia Perez, but like for Zoe,
if you disagree with the win,agree with the win, so what?
Like I'm just saying personally, like I've grown up with her,
so it's cool to see her finallyget a best, a best actor nom.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, totally, um.
And then you know it's justlike another year in the books.
This feels like it's going tobe like one of those years.
You know, it felt like lastyear was like the perfect storm
when, like oppenheimer was justthis juggernaut of mainstream
and film, right, and I think youknow that's so uniquely suited
to like nolan.

(13:44):
Yeah, like that's.
You know we talk about that allthe time, but he's kind of
transcended the inside stuff towhere his films are now events
and they're also recognized bythe Academy, yeah, whereas
obviously next year we have theOdyssey, we'll be out Well, next
year is going to be 2026.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So the 2027 Oscars, when it will be like the for the
year of 2026, scorseseVilleneuve, jordan Peele um,
we're getting.
I Scorsese Spike Lee, likewe're.
It's an absolutely monumentousyear.
It's going to play a lot Like II forget what year it was, I
think it was 2023 um, the 2023oscars 420.

(14:27):
Whatever year the fablemanscame out, um, whatever year that
like tarantino or 2019 excuseme, this is before.
So, um, all the big filmmakerslike your old like I think it
was spike lee tarantino, becauseit was once upon a time in
hollywood spike had BlackKlansman, like that year was
very much the year of like hey,don't forget that we can still

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do this.
And it feels like 2026 is alsogoing to be that year.
The Batman's going to come outthat year.
Obviously, greg Fraser lost lastnight to the brutalist
cinematographer.
So I think that's going to puta little battery in his back,
because I feel like that's thetype of person Greg Fraser is
like.
He's gonna really like attemptto, and I still think he like
loses a bit of sleep over theBatman.

(15:10):
Do you think that that he'slike?
I made the?
Like I don't like.
Let's not mince.
The Batman is the most gorgeouslooking superhero movie there
has ever been.
I don't even think there's onethat I would even put in the
category with that in terms ofsuperhero films, like I can't,
you can't name me one that looksthat good.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, I think he kind of loses not loses sleep, I'm
sure, but I'm sure just a lot ofthings that he's been nominated
for over the last five, sixyears that you know for him to
have put out the body of workthat he's put out and only walk
away with one Academy Award sofar for Dune is kind of crazy,

(15:51):
it's insane.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean, he is Greg is .
The biggest validation Gregshould have is.
I remember Roger Deakins likenot vehemently, but he said,
like I'm not a superhero movietype of guy, I don't think
they're much.
You know they don't have and,to their point, it's like their
focus isn't cinematography,that's not their focus.
But he said and I remember Gregwas breaking down the Batman

(16:14):
with Roger and they had to splitthe episodes on the Roger
Deacon into two episodes.
Like they had to split thembecause some of the things that
Greg was doing on the Batman,like he was creating stuff.
I mean I have that lens with meright now that they obviously
have the baby version of it, butI have that lens that they use,
that Soviet lens that they useLike Greg's innovation.

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And then you go to Dune and it'shis versatility.
You go to Dune and you look atthe Batman.
Those are two night and dayways to shoot and he shot both
of those movies.
So he is our new age rogerdeacons.
And roger deacons didn't win anoscar for a while.
I don't think he won an oscaruntil.
I don't think he won an oscaruntil 2017.
I could be wrong, but I don'tthink he won till blade runner
2049, and it was like finally,like, like everybody talks about

(16:58):
leo's oscar being a long time,like no, like roger deacon
should have won this in the 90sfor fargo, and look at him now.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So yeah, yeah.
So I mean you know he's got alot, a lot going on and and just
like again, just unfortunatefor him that he's, you know,
only walked away with one oscarin the last handful of years
that he's been doing this.
Um, but yeah, I mean, as far asthe show goes, it was fine.
I mean, I just think they gotta, they just gotta figure out a

(17:27):
way to make it a little morepresentable to like an audience
again like you got so much.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
There's so much negativity that surrounds the
oscars, like there's there'sthis aura of negativity and like
, again, my, the biggest thingthat I'll always say year in,
year out, and I think 2023, like, or the 2024 Oscars, like it
solved it.
It's like don't forget aboutwhat we're doing.
Like 2023, like it had Dave,I'm joy Randolph one.

(17:56):
It's like there was heart,there was heartfelt Like some of
the wins, like you feel for umcord jefferson, um comes out,
gives an incredible speech.
I was talking about speecheswith somebody, these oscar
speeches, and obviously adrianbrody's speech came up because
it was the second longest speechof all time, by like a few
seconds.
It would have been the longestspeech and I and I was thinking

(18:17):
about, like matthewmcconaughey's speech and I was
thinking about cord jefferson'sspeech from last year where he
talked about we don't need one200 million dollar movie.
We need, you know, we need 201million dollar movies and a
chance like that's what.
That's what hollywood needs.
So it was such this.
It felt like such a celebrationlast year of what cinema is
like.
It felt right like ryangosling's performing like the

(18:38):
most famous song in the world,like they need to get back and
like they had.
They had a good start.
They performed the song fromwicked Like it was such this
good start.
But, um, I think one of thebiggest things is the Academy
members not watching 10.
You can't watch 10 movies andyeah, that story getting out was
pretty um unfortunate.
Yeah, it's just, it's sad, it'sjust like, it's like was like

(19:02):
imagine one of your jobs is youjust have to watch ten movies.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it was unfortunate that that story got
out.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
There's so much bias behind it too.
Some people said I didn'tnominate this for this specific.
That's wrong.
That's just the wrong thing todo.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I hope that story getting out just leads to some
type of overhaul or something inthe way that those movies are
consumed by that particular bodyof people.
But speaking of that superheroslop that the Oscars love to
hate, Captain America Brave NewWorld came out and man, I mean

(19:43):
this movie.
I just just we should just talkabout real quick, just kind of
like the journey of this movie.
Yeah, um and and this movie isreally a symptom and it's
emblematic of kind of the, the,the speed bumps that that marvel
has hit right um.
This movie was greenlit umimmediately after the conclusion
of falcon the winter soldier,um, and that in in and of itself

(20:07):
, is kind of like.
The problem is falcon thewinter soldier ended in 2022.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, 2021, 2021, right yeah 2021.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Falcon the winter soldier ended and obviously
we're talking about this movienow, four years later.
Um, and that's a problem.
That's a problem, um, and thenwe just for the longest time,
didn't know what this movie wasgonna be.
Um, we had nothing reallyattached to it.
And then, like, all this stuffstarted coming out um, that

(20:38):
william hurt was gonna come backas thunderbolt ross, um, and
that the leader was going to beinvolved.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And on paper too.
These were all things that arecool, like these are all things
that are like this isinteresting, this is interesting
, like, obviously, if you know,like the inside baseball for the
leader, like that's potentiallya really good villain to have
We'll talk about that more andlike what came of everything but
the lead-up, everything likethat.
There was promise and you know.

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However, one of the things thatwe kept saying and it's one of
the biggest points that I haveto make about this movie is one
of the big things we always weresaying is things kept getting
added to this movie, things keptgetting transitioned, people
were going in and out.
I think the directors swapped,the writers swapped, like a
whole bunch of things changed,some things that were
controllable, some things wereuncontrollable.

(21:27):
The COVID days, obviously, like, some things were
uncontrollable.
Out of this right, the onething that we begged, we begged
and begged is hey, don't forgetone thing.
This is an Anthony Mackie, samWilson, captain America movie.
Please don't forget it, and Ithink we can.
I'm 2575.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay, I think this movie mostly succeeded in that.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm torn on that because I can see where it
succeeds that speech he gives toJoaquin at the end, like did
that feel a little runoff fromFalcon and the Winter Soldier?
Sure, like you could havepocketed that in Falcon and the
Winter Soldier and just had himalready.
Be well, she was Falcon whenthis movie started.
But you know I'm in on that,for, like, he has his Captain

(22:13):
America base.
You know what I mean.
Like he's got his CaptainAmerica base in the movie, like
the public knows him, butthere's no.
There's no, if this makes sense.
The weaving of like what hischaracter is is not in this
movie.
Like there's no weaving of likeof heart, like it feels like

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he's.
If this makes it feels like hewas put into an Avengers movie
where, like his sole purpose isto be Captain America, not to go
through the trials andtribulations of Sam Wilson and
Captain America as Steve Rogers.
All those movies were thetrials and tribulations of Steve
Rogers as Captain America andit all came to a head, even

(22:54):
through the Avengers movies.
The only one that you take alittle bit away is Age of Ultron
, the other Avengers, avengers 1specifically, and then, once
you get into Endgame, especiallyit ends it.
That's my 75,.
Is this movie?
I don't agree with this movieas a Hulk movie.
I don't agree with thatnarrative.
No, I don't think it is eithermovie is a Hulk movie I don't

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agree with that narrative?
No, I don't think it is either.
However, this movie I do thinkit does forget sometimes that
this is a Captain.
It's not only a Captain Americamovie.
This is a Sam Wilson CaptainAmerica movie.
And it's weird because CivilWar, it does the absolute
inverse.
If I want to make that point,civil War is so adamant that
this is a Captain America movie.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, this movie does feel like at times that Ross is
the main character and that theleader is the antagonist and
Sam is just kind of caught inthe middle of those two things,
which could be an interestingkind of a spot for him to be in,
but it doesn't handle it wellenough to pull that off.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
You made a good point of this movie.
Should have been longer, likeshould have been a little bit
longer.
I think and you know somemisses you have sam's sister
should have been in this movie.
I thought about that.
Like sam's sister should havebeen in this movie.
Sam's nephews should have beenin this movie.
Like it's all those groundingpieces that build, like it
rounds the edges of a character.

(24:19):
Are their families, theirstakes, like what's truthfully
his stakes in this movie.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like it's almost.
I mean it's.
The stakes are similar to thathe dealt with in Falcon and the
Winter Soldier.
I mean there's an, there is aninteresting thread for him and
it's really the only thread thattethers him to the plot, in the
sense that Ross wants him tomake the Avengers again, but he
also wants Sam to be likeAmerica's guy.

(24:47):
Like you know, you have torepresent me and represent our
government and it's kind ofhandled with kid gloves a little
bit like it's kind of like atoothless plot.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, because sam is just kind of like no, and then
ross is like well, we have aproblem then, and then the
problem is never reallyrectified right because, like
they try to do this thing oflike, because like the leader
stuff kind of takes over, rightbecause they try to do the
winter soldier thing of like,well, now he's a fugitive, but
then like it doesn't really playuntil the end of the second act
it doesn't he's not really afugitive, no, he is he is, but

(25:20):
he isn't because, he getsarrested and immediately broke
like yeah, and then immediately,everything's okay he gets let
out

Speaker 2 (25:26):
because like right the world's about to go to war
and ross is just like all right,let him, let him do, let him
cook, let him do whatever hewants, um, so, yeah, so that's
kind of like the backdrop tothis movie.
And then the reception of ithas been, I mean, from a
critical lens it's been prettynegative.
Yeah, from an audienceperspective it's been fine.
Yeah, I think the majority ofaside from influencers aside I

(25:50):
think the vast movie-goingregular people like us quite
like this movie.
It's not the best movie ever,it's not, but it's far from the
worst.
Um, and I think when we talked,you know, kind of like our
expectations.
I think that's kind of likewhere we both a we're expecting
and be hoping this movie wouldend up.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You know it's funny and oh, I I love when I can
sense that there's a directorthere, like.
But obviously I'll say thisit's tough to operate in that
space.
It's tough because, at the endof the day, what you're thinking
about is, you know, you do needto make this big and like I'll
give everyone the benefit of thedoubt on this point of like.
Chloe zhao's always the one I'mgonna go to on this.

(26:29):
I mean, she was fresh off of anoscar and she makes a marvel
movie.
So in my head, I think're goingto absolutely let her cook and
like I don't want to.
In defense like an incrediblyrich man that like has
everything.
But like in defense of KevinFeige, like what he had to
probably think about was, like Ican let her cook.

(26:50):
Or, like you know, testaudience are a thing.
Like shareholders are a thing.
Like shareholders are a thing,like they're like we need to get
you back to like you know, 2016, 2017, 2018.
Like he has that in the back ofhis mind.
Like he doesn't really havechoice in like making these
super, like artsy projects, likethat's like, because I remember
the Eternals reception is justlike, and then I'm like this is

(27:14):
one of the most gorgeous Marvelmovies, though.
And then I'm like this is oneof the most gorgeous Marvel
movies, though this movie looksso good.
There was a lot of heart inthat movie too, but sometimes
that just doesn't play for ageneral audience.
Sometimes they just want thebig action scenes and the big,
sometimes they just want that.
That's just the way that somepeople are wired if they think
about this from entertainment.

(27:34):
So for Julius Ona, there's oneshot in this movie where I was
like wait a second, there'ssomebody making this movie.
It's where Isaiah was in theprison and he's sitting back and
it's that shadow shot of thesun was beaming in on him and it
was casting a shadow of him inthat cell block and I was just
like wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Wait a second.
Oh yeah, I mean we can jumpright to the Isaiah Bradley
stuff, that cell block, and Iwas just like wait a minute.
He's like wait, wait a second.
Oh my yeah, I mean we can.
We can jump right to the isaiahbradley stuff.
It's incredible, like it'sdevastating the whole the idea
of him finally kind of comingout of the shadows, breaking
into the spotlight.
Sam kind of pulls him there.
He's like I don't want to go tothe white house.
Like this sucks, like why areyou answering to Ross?

(28:17):
And it's a little Falcon andthe Winter Soldier rehash, but
at the same time it's remixed alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's the best version of what any of the plot lines
in Falcon and the Winter Soldierthat were to do this.
It's the best.
It's what Sam should havegotten in this movie If you're
going to keep going from whatwas the past.
I think one of the things I wasscared about for Sam was we're
just going to do the Falcon andthe Winter Soldier again when we
don't have to.
This movie admittedly does agood job of being like alright,

(28:44):
we're past that.
I'm going to talk about Sambecause I don't know what Sam's
arc is in this movie.
I think that's one of thebiggest things I have.
I don't know what change that hewent on.
He still feels like the sameguy that he was at the beginning
of this movie, like one.
Like I said for for for Steve,like one thing they made sure of
.
Like each movie changes alittle bit.

(29:06):
Like first Avenger, he changed,physically changed too.
But like he changed obviouslywinter soldier he changed.
Um, age of Ultron is thethrowaway because it's the team
up movie.
But like Civil War he changed.
Infinity War he changed.
Endgame, he changed, he won ona discernible arc the whole way
through.
Like it's not Anthony Mackie'sfault and it's like this is the

(29:26):
whole part of the room where,like, that was taking so much
space.
But if we're talking aboutIsaiah, it's the best version of
that.
He actually got a second arc tohis piece.
He got another arc.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And for him to.
It's heartbreaking what happensto him in that movie.
He finally comes, he breaks outthat nice suit and then he gets
mind controlled and he'sstaring down the barrel of all
these police officers and all Ikept thinking in the back of my
mind was, like are they going to?
Is he going to?
Like suicide by cop here?

(30:00):
Like is that what's coming?
Like felt like it could havegone that way, when he basically
is like pleading with Sam, LikeI can't, I can't go back to
prison, Like I'm not, I can't gothrough this again.
And then Sam, you see the bondbetween those two characters
where Sam is like I'm gonna getyou out, and Carl Lundley puts

(30:20):
up just a tremendous tremendousperformance.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
What you do for Sam at that point and this goes to
your point about this movieneeded to be longer, and the
longer portions of this movieshould have been dealt all in
character work.
Every single last ounce of itshould have been dealt in
character work, specifically forSam.
That's why I said you got toput his sister in this movie,
got to put his nephews in thismovie.
You needed to put ElijahBradley in this movie for
multiple reasons.
Like you should have put ElijahBradley in this movie, they cut

(30:45):
him out of this movie.
What you do with Sam is that'sthe part you run with, because
it gets lost.
Gets lost like once you startto do the raw stuff, the, the
leader stuff, the, the all, theall that Hulk, incredible Hulk
stuff.
Like you started to lose, likethat's it, because you felt it
Sam was starting on something oflike oh no, you can't.

(31:06):
Like it's what's that mean?
Which is like don't rememberkids, if you don't think the US
government was like they wouldlike Sam, they're gonna tell you
that they want you to beCaptain America.
Until it's time to be CaptainAmerica, then they're going to
show you what they actually want.
Like he should have ran withthat.
Like that's the arc that theyshould have really tugged on for
Sam of like imagine your mentor, like this man, that like was
you, this is you.

(31:26):
Like he is, he was, he couldhave and should have been
Captain America Like I meanJoaquin talks about it.
He talked about your legendaryexcursion to Korea.
Look what they did to him.
They put him right in jailafter the fact and they did it
again.
You know what it could have beenallegorical for this espionage,
late 90s thriller vibes thatthey were going for.

(31:48):
The allegorical piece couldhave been Sam's fear for like
now you're going to live thefear of taking the shield.
That's what it should have beenthis movie.
I Now you're going to live thefear of taking the shield,
that's what it should have beenthis movie.
Like I never felt that Likepart of me is happy because it's
like me.
Personally, I don't want to seeSam struggle like that, but
like that's the piece.
Like there's something.
There's a struggle that Samjust doesn't get in this movie.
Like he doesn't get, likethere's no personal like

(32:10):
struggle that he's having inthis movie.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, I mean he reconciles with a little bit of
doubt when Joaquin getshospitalized.
But I mean that's I like thatpart, but I also didn't like
that's the part that felt likemost Falcon and the Winter
Soldier retread-y is whenJoaquin's sitting there and
Sam's like I don't know if I canbe Captain America, and then
Bucky shows up and he's like nah, man, you are Captain America,

(32:38):
yeah we did this already.
Yeah, we know, we did thisalready.
Yeah, it happens.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think they should have spun and this is the part
about the other part of Sam'sarc should have revolved that
Avengers plot.
I remember I saw the clipdropped early and I said, oh,
like, fine, like here we go.
Like this is, this is somethingto put on Sam Schloet, like the
I.
Obviously I talked about what Ijust talked about, like his arc

(33:06):
, about, like you know, thisdelineation between like I am I,
am I the government's CaptainAmerica or am I my Captain
America?
What it should have evolvedinto is am I the government's
Captain America or am I myCaptain America?
What it should have evolvedinto is am I the government's
Captain America or am I theAvengers team that freedom
fights Captain America?
That should have been his.
That should have been the mainpart of his arc.
And they pulled on it and theyteased us and they were just

(33:26):
like he might reform theAvengers.
He should have been like whathis arc should have been like
okay, I am Captain America, butcan I lead as captain america?
That should have been thebattle that he was facing.
Like I know, I can like, and itstarted with joaquin.
Like that's what they reallyshould have pulled on.
Like I don't need.
I can't even lead this kid.
How am I supposed to lead theavengers?
Like that's that extra 20minutes of film that you dive

(33:47):
into conversations with hissister, conversations with his
nephews?
Like you know, can I and that'show that conversation with
Bucky should have, should havespun Like I can't, can I, like I
know I can be an Avenger, Iknow I can, you know, be Captain
America.
Now, I just don't know if I canlead Like I need like the
leader arc, not the leadercharacter, but the leader arc

(34:09):
for Sam.
That's what they should havereally, really pulled on really
pulled on.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, um, let's talk about the leader and ross and
that whole plot because, like Isaid, at times this movie does
become ross being the maincharacter and the leader be
being the antagonist and sambeing like caught in the
crossfire of that.
Um, but at the same time, likeharrison ford is really, really
good in this movie so good, heso good.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
He's heartbreaking as well too.
Carl Unley and Harrison Fordharbor the best performances in
this movie, and the only reasonthat Anthony Mackie's
performance itself is reallygood, it's just the arc he goes
on is tough to kind of get itover the hump to them.
So, man, harrison Ford is sogood, he's so good.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
And what I liked about this Ross, this Ross
portrayal and this how Ross haswritten in this movie, is he
starts out as you know, he'strying to, he's trying to make,
he's trying to make amendsessentially with, he's trying to
reconcile all of his kind ofmisgivings of the past, Like
he's trying to rebuild theAvengers.
He's trying to get Sam on board.
He's trying to forge thistreaty and alliance with the

(35:15):
rest of the world.
Because you know, the big plotpoint, which everybody knew, is
that Tiamat Island is rich.
In adamantium they introduceadamantium in the MCU.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
What's your believability behind the world
just being peaceful and sharingthe adamantium?
Zero, zero, zero.
They should have done the.
You should have done the.
Like the 90s espionage Like gofull.
One thing this movie operates.
It's like the movie didn't likego full, send Like it's like it
was like.
It's like you're hitting thegas but then you're like I don't
want to crash Like crash thecar man.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Like if you're going to do it, do it Like go full
send.
And I did like with Ross thatthe minute his plan kind of
starts to unravel he flips backinto that old Ross where he's
like I knew I couldn't trustsuper people.
Until you are the super person,ross, until you are the super

(36:08):
person.
All right, yeah, let's just getit over with.
So I guess this is where we cantalk about the leader and the
Red Hulk arc.
So Tim Blake Nelson came back.
I remember when he wasannounced we were like okay, the
guy from the Incredible Hulk isback and he's just been.
He's been the leader for 10years.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, I mean.
So basically for him he hasbeen the leader he essentially
was after the Incredible Hulk.
He was imprisoned by Ross Forleader he essentially was after
the incredible hulk.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
He was imprisoned by ross.
Yeah, four making up making ahulk and destroying harlem was
rosh just mad.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, that hell ross.
He's just, he's just like a madguy, he's just, he's just like
always, like, like that's hiswhole thing yeah, yeah he, he
made a hulk and he threw, so hegot thrown in.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Not just, I mean, he got thrown in black site prison,
he didn't get thrown in regularprison.
So like that was the first redflag, I guess, is he got thrown
in like the black site prison,not like regular prison where
the Ross was like this is aprison, but like you're my guy,
like you're in prison because Iwant you here.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well, the thing is that essentially he says it, he
says the hulk blood, like thegamma.
Essentially, if it hits yourbloodstream, your body, it turns
you into like all of yourphysical attributes, just it
does some, it does something,it's like the x gene, right like
it, just incrediblyexponentially gamma radiation
just just does something right.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
So in the leader's case it made his brain bigger.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, it made his brain into a Hulk.
A Hulk brain, a Hulk brain.
He's to the point.
I don't even want to comment onthe appearance of the leader.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I guess it's the best they could have done.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I disagree.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You think they should have just gone full?
Send Big head, big green head.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Am I mad about the mustache?
Weirdly enough is that thething that bothered me the most
is no leader must anyway nomustache for the leader, no
mustache for ross.
This was a mustacheless filmyeah, sam has the only mustache
in this film.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, they even took john carlos bozzito's mustache.
They did they did.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I have something you want he's great.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
We'll get to him in a second.
We got to keep talking aboutthe leader.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Oh, do you?
Ooh, we'll talk about it,because I think he fits
perfectly into a project thatjust got greenlit a few days ago
.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah.
So the lead.
So I like Tim Blake Nelson'sperformance.
He's very like Hannibal Lecter.
Yeah, yeah, there's a littlebit of that.
What did you think of the andwe talk about this all the time
when you're talking aboutwriting a character like this
Did he ever feel like thesmartest person in the?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
room.
No, not to the point of like.
I see every single timelineexponentially and every no,
every probability.
He said now Sam Wilson's avariable, he's the one that's
messenger Come on man.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
He was like you had a 97 chance of turning the car
around and going back to saveisaiah.
Oh, come on, but like.
So if you're a probabilitiesguy and you're like the master
strategist, shouldn't you alsohave a plan in place for when
the probability you're able to?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
mind control people and you didn't have somebody
that can just stay and make suresam doesn't get to isaiah.
Like I feel like that wasprobably whenever I get
characters like this, or I seethis like it's so hard, man,
this might have been the easiestlike win that a leader could
have had, like he could havetaken Sam out of this equation,
so like you couldn't have asniper 50 miles away and just
wound Sam.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, he was 10 steps ahead until he wasn't, which is
always.
It's always a weird thing withthose characters.
So basically the thing is, rosswas keeping the leader kind of
just on the leash in the prisonuntil so that Ross could be
elected president.
He's using the leader's vastmind to get him elected

(39:49):
president.
I don't understand man, I stilldon't get it.
And then, when Ross waspresident, he was going to let
the leader out.
And then, when Ross waspresident, he was going to let
the leader out.
And then, in true Ross fashion,he gets elected president and
he's like, actually he's justthe leader, is just going to
stay in prison, I don't careabout this guy.
So the leader launches thisrevenge campaign against Ross,

(40:09):
basically getting a hold of hismedicals and somehow becoming
his pill supplier.
I don't man, how did ross notknow where his pills were coming
from?
How did he not know, wasn't?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
he the president of, like you, you know, you're a
general to congress, that's thepresident of the government
you're talking to.
President to senator topresident or general to
secretary of state to president.
I find it so hard to believethat Ross got that much turned

(40:50):
over on him.
He was really operating thatway with you.
You didn't know anything wasgoing to happen.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
He was really operating that way with you,
like you didn't know anythingwas going to happen, yeah, so
basically, the leader has beensecretly injecting these pills
that he was giving Ross for hisheart condition with gamma
radiation, in hopes that one dayhe would turn into a red Hulk,
did he?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
know he was going to be red.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I don't know, I don't think so.
A blue Hulk, but he did somehowknow that he would turn into a
Hulk, despite nobody knowing howgamma radiation affects him.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I don't have a problem with that, with him
knowing he's going to turn intoa Hulk.
How is he red?
I don't know, did he?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
just assume, because you and Banner are two sides of
the same coin, so he's a Hulk.
You're going to inevitably turninto a Hulk.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
No, I think he got to the point where the gamma
radiation was.
I mean, he turned blonsky intothe abomination, true?
Um, you could have probablyspun the she-hulk you probably
would have had.
You know what's funny, youprobably could have like spun
the she-hulk stuff into thismovie easier than the incredible
hulk stuff into this movie, andI really want to think about it
.
That way you could have spunthe intelligentsia stuff into,

(41:53):
like this all-knowingorganization that's like we're
gonna bring down.
Like we hate jen walters forthis reason because she's a
woman like we hate, can't wehate the new captain america for
this reason we are going tobring them down.
You are not the symbol of theamerica, we know.
Like you could have probablyspun that movie that way too,
had you know, had, um, what'sher name?
tatiana, tatiana maslany, yeah,yeah you probably could have had

(42:16):
her in this movie.
Um, I mean, we could justaddress it.
I don't know why mark ruffalois not in this movie.
If you were gonna do this, justput him in the movie it's.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, it's kind of mind-boggling to me that there's
no hulk, anything other thanother than a red, all the other,
even down to live tyler's inthis movie.
She shows up at the end.
Yeah, yeah, let's talk aboutGiancarlo Esposito real quick.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Man.
So Sidewinder is in this,sidewinder Because he's in the
Serpent Society, except in thisthey're just Serpent.
Now they had to MCU-ify theSerpent Society.
Ex-military mercenaries.
They're just mercenaries thatwere hired at behest of the
leader to steal the Adamantium,to basically turn Japan and the

(43:02):
US against each other.
We're redoing World War II guys.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
And Giancarlo Esposito for his screen time,
and his kind of going againstSam is really good.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
He's so good.
It's so ridiculously good andmisused in this movie.
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I love that little fight that him and Sam have when
he he jumps Sam like when Sam'snot in the Captain America
series.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Captain America caught without his wings, like.
Is he the best actor on planetEarth?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
The answer is yes, he's the coolest guy ever and
I'm so glad they didn't kill himoff Because I think that
character is going to be aroundfor a little while.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Part of me is sad that he's not a more prominent
character.
I do love the spin.
You make him Professor X.
That could have worked.
I do love the spin where heplays some bigger character for
something.
I don't know who it would havebeen.
You got options you could havetaken.
I'm trying to think of somecharacters he could have played,
but you know who.

(44:06):
He would have been incredible,as he would have been a
phenomenal Galactus.
Ralph Innocent, I think, isabout to do some legendary stuff
with that voice, but John Carlowould have been an incredible
galactic.
Younger John Carlo would havebeen an incredible silver surfer
too, but I think he's.
So.
This is just.
Obviously he was put into thismovie.

(44:27):
Seth Rollins was supposed to beSidewinder, and they were like,
I think also, here's what Ithink happened.
I think this movie needed somepushes.
So I think the original planwas have Seth Rollins be
Sidewinder and the SerpentSociety just gets the crap beat
out of them, and that's that.
I think they got Giancarlo, andthey were like we'll pump him
into the first project.
We can get the schedule's linedup.

(44:48):
So they pulled the trigger tooearly.
You can save this, though,because the Punisher project was
greenlit a few days ago, john.
Bern, because the Punisherproject was greenlit a few days
ago.
Jon Bernthal and John CarlEsposito yapping back and forth
at each other for an hour andfighting each other would be the
craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I think he could be great for that.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Moon Knight would be the other option I would take.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I was going to say he could be a great foil for the
Young Avengers.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, that would be fun.
That would be fun.
The Serpent Society, like alittle bit more powered version
of the serpent society, would bedon carlos bizito beefing with
children.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I think would be great, yeah, yeah like what's
the problem?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
like what's the issue ?
Obviously you'd have to beep,beef them up a little bit.
Like sure, make them, because,like I, I think kate alone could
probably handle them.
So maybe you guys gotta figuresomething out, because you got
actually like a reality warper.
You got a guy with super speedall right.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Well, maybe the twins are on vacation no, they're
there.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's the, it's the young avengers, they're there
they're on vacation for thismission who can, like I like I
said I think moon knight seasontwo can utilize him.
Um, if you're gonna do that,like oscar isaac and him against
each other would be good.
I was thinking of what if hegets like one of the one of
avatars, like he turns into oneof the avatars, it's basically
Moon Knight versus whateveravatar takes him.

(46:00):
I just think that Punisherspecial screams.
Get John Carlo Esposito againsthim in there.
I don't even know how that's.
Even they get in the same place.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I was just so thrilled that he didn't die, I
was just like great good.
I love the little scene when hegoes to see Sidewinder again
and he's like help me out.
He's like I want full immunity,full immunity, no questions
asked.
He's like no.
He's like huh.
He's like alright, fine, whatelse happens in this movie?

(46:32):
We can talk about the.
Should we talk about thepolitical subplot?
Okay, sure, the adamantiumstuff.
It doesn't really.
It doesn't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, because the Japanese president just won't
move.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
He just won't move on his stand and it doesn't build
to anything that I thought.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Well, that's the political thriller half of the
movie that this movie was tryingto sell on.
Like this 90s, like this enemyof the state-esque, like
political thriller they weretrying to put together.
I just thought it was gonnabuild to something.
Yeah, like it really didn't.
What if he turned into silversamurai, the president of japan,
and he's just standing on topof the roof and the power goes
out again?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
he's like like we culminate in this, like Japan is
going to take the adamantiumand Ross is like I'm out of my
watch.
God damn it.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
That was a great Ross impression.
That was a great Harrison Fordimpression.
Nice, harrison, is that you?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And it just kind of it just sets up for this set
piece in the ocean, which I meanSam surfs on a missile, he did
surf on a missile, like there'ssome cool.
Which I mean Sam surfs on amissile he did surf on a missile
, like there's some cool.
Look, I love Captain America, Ilove Steve Rogers Yo, he's not.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yo.
Can we talk about that?
Can we talk about how Sam mightbe the most capable Captain
America we've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He is an issue, steve Rogers' Captain America is not
built for that particularmission.
He's just not.
He can't fly.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
The iconography and symbolism of Sam having the
wings and, you know, I guess hecould jump from boat to boat.
No, he can't?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
He doesn't have ups like that.
That's about all he could do.
Like Sam was flying, he wastaking out jets.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Jet planes.
Yeah, I'm sorry, steve, youcan't do that.
And then he fought a Red Hulkafterwards.
He did fight the Red Hulk.
Should he have been murdered inthe first three seconds of that
fight?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean he got dunked through the White House he did.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
That was crazy he like bear, hugged him through
like the East Wing.
That was nuts.
That probably should have puthim down.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, yeah, that was no Yo, the vibranium suit
question mark Yo, what can it do?
So I mean, yeah, the adamantiumpolitical US versus Japan stuff
is just a lot of windowdressing for the Red Hulk,
because he's about to do it.
He's about to Red Hulk out andhe's got the leader in his brain

(48:52):
going turn into a Red Hulk,turn into a Red Hulk, turn into
a Red Hulk.
And he's about to.
And then Sam saves the day andhe's like I don't have to turn
into a red Hulk.
And then the leader getsarrested.
And then Ross is about to givea big speech at the Rose Garden
and then the leader's like whatif I leaked out every horrible
thing you did to me while I wasin prison?

(49:12):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
And Ross in prison and that's it and ross turns
into a red hole.
That scene was crazy becauseobviously it was a reshoot scene
, but that scene was crazy whenthe leader got captured.
That was nuts.
I said, sam, should you not bewith the president of the united
states right now?
Like why are you with?
And also, why didn't you justapprehend the leader right then?
And there, um, you fought side,you fought the sidewinder, but
the leader was an issue yeah, sor.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
so Ross turns into a Red Hulk.
Everyone's mortified.
Who could have seen this coming?
Everyone that the arch nemesisof the Hulk was also a Hulk.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
It's a good-looking Red Hulk.
Oh yeah, he looks really good.
He looks good as the Red Hulk.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think he looks pretty good.
And then we get the big, we getthe Red Hulk, and I was I don't
know why I was convinced thatthe Red Hulk-Cats of America
fight wasn't going to be thefinal third act fight.
Maybe it was just because itwas too obvious, but then it was
.
It was just that.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
On paper it's still insane.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It's still insane.
Sam is just getting thrownaround.
He stabs the Red Hulk.
Let me tell you what, though,Sam, he does do his best.
He does his best fighting a RedHulk.
He uses the Vibranium.
The Red Hulk just rips theVibranium one of the Vibranium
wings off.
How rips one of the Vibraniumwings off?
How?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
strong are you bud?
He's real strong.
He's a Hulk.
Yeah, he is a Hulk.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
He's Hulk strong, mark Ruffalo isn't cooking like
that.
Imagine if Sam had a CaptainAmerica version of the
Hulkbuster armor.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yo, that would have been awesome With Wakandan tech?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, that would have been awesome.
So you think Sam's dead torights.
And Sam, this is the CaptainAmerica and he doesn't stay down
, he doesn't stay down, hedoesn't give up.
And then he just how did youfeel about Sam beating the Red
Hulk with the power offriendship?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
No, no, no, we're past that.
This is the.
What?
Is this the 15th year of theMCU or the 17th year the MCU's
been around?
The MCU's been here for 17years, sheesh, no, cut it out.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
No, remember who you are, simba.
No I won't.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
My daughter hates me.
My wife's dead.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Remember the cherry blossoms that you used to walk
your daughter down.
I thought Betty was going toshow up and do it to him.
Box him, box him, yo.
That would've been crazy.
Pack him up.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Betty turns into a Hulk.
I just feel like if you do theAvengers thing in this movie
like I would have rather a teamtry to beat him and it be
plausible so Red Hulk Sam islike.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Remember the good times with your daughter.
Who's?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
therapizing.
That's one of the things thatkind of sneak in through this
movie for Sam, which Iappreciated.
They didn't forget about timeand place, though.
No, actually it was the perfecttime and place because he
subdued the Red Hulk.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
And then Ross is like oh man, I am a dad.
At the end, of the day.
And he turns back into HarrisonFord.
Harrison Ford a lot ofshirtless Harrison Ford in this
movie, which I wasn't preparedfor.
Nobody ever is, and he justNobody ever is.
And then they throw him in theraft.
You gotta go to the raft.
You're not the presidentanymore, sorry.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Who's the vice president?
Who's the funniest character?
That no succession planning toget Bucky to be the president at
some point in this universe.
Oh yeah, Bucky's running forCongress, which he's gonna get
by the Thunderbolts.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Who's voting for him?
He canonically killed JFK.
We've had worse, that's true.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
He was the Winter Soldier at one point, but he's
on a redemption arc.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Alright, everyone America does love a good
redemption story.
This is true.
Yeah, he's alright, man Alright.
One bit of this movie I thinkwe can both agree on does not
work whatsoever.
Is this the Ruth character?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I don't even really want to even focus on her too
much, I just I mean, it's justshe takes up a lot of.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
She's not even in the movie that much.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
The original cut of this movie.
She was probably Black Widow inCaptain America Winter Soldier
See.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
This is why I don't mind reshoots, because that
version of that movie whereshe's in this more than she's in
it now, is horrifying.
Look, I'm sure the actress is afine woman.
She's just not very good inthis and just not likable.
The character is just notlikable, Like give all her stuff
to his chief of staff.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I found it absolutely absurd why you couldn't just
make her the old ex-Black Widow.
You couldn't have just made heran ex-Black Widow?
She was fun.
I liked her.
What I would have personallydone is make her and Sam date at
some point in their lives.
Yeah, give them a little bitmore of an emotional stake, and
these are the pieces that Sam'smissing.
Sam doesn't have a loveinterest.

(53:52):
Sam doesn't have a familybehind him.
He's just got a guy in thechair.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Apparently in the comics, that character Layla
Taylor does have a romanticrelationship with Sam Wilson,
that's why I said it.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
They should have dated.
Remember, when we were both inthe military at some point.
Where did you go?
Oh, I was a black widow for alittle bit actually.
Yeah, elena Belova freed us.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, she just she's just not good.
She's not good.
The movie comes to a screechinghalt anytime that character
shows up and again she's justnot likable.
And maybe she's not supposed tobe.
But even when she becomesquote-unquote likable at the end
, when she's like actually samwilson, you might be all right,
I still don't like her.
I don't know something aboutthat character that I and it has

(54:34):
nothing to do with the stuff,with that stuff.
I just she was very distracting,I agree like to in like an
annoying degree, when she waslike isaiah bradley is this,
he's the worst.
And I'm like you have all thisevidence that shows that he's
actually not the worst and hewas mind controlled.
And she's like, well, really,mind control.
I'm like, lady, do you knowwhat universe you're?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
in half the population got snapped away by a
large purple alien.
But mind control is the thingthat blows your mind cut it out.
There was aliens pouring out ofthe sky 15 years ago, but
that's the thing that blows yourmind Mind control.
A woman was floating objectswith her mind, but mind control
is the thing that bothers you.
You were mind controlled.

(55:17):
Wait a minute.
You were a black widow.
You were mind controlled.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And she works with rocks.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, get her out.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
That actually just got me actually mad.
You were mind-controlled.
You were one of the BlackWidows.
Mind-control doesn't exist.
This is absurd.
You know what?
I actually hate that characternow.
Now I'm actually like real-lifemad right now.
I wasn't even thinking that way, but you're talking about
mind-control being bad.
You were mind-controlled.
You are a black widow, but thisis the craziest thing that's

(55:48):
happened in this universe.
A talking raccoon saved theuniverse, there's a quantum
realm, but mind control is thecraziest thing you've ever seen.
Stop, cut it out, mind control.
There's no way that the mindcontrol.

(56:09):
If you would have said this in2011, mcu, sure, a god came down
from the sky and spewedlightning out of a hammer, but
mind control is the craziestthing you've ever seen.
Cut it out with ruth batzer outthat was.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
That was an all-timer .
I gotta say I'm not follow thatup.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
That was great that got me really worked and I was
like I didn't even want toengage with that character, but
she has a problem with mindcontrol.
That man can lift a truck withhis bare hands, but mind control
is just out.
This guy turned into the redhulk in front of your face but
mind control is the craziestthing that's ever happened.
There was a is the craziestthing that's ever happened.

(56:49):
There was a floating city inthe sky that you worked on on a
base but nobody knows how tomind control anybody.
You talk to ants, but mindcontrol isn't it.
That was.
I'm trying to think of everyMCU moment.

(57:10):
That's just bothering me now,because that's I mean the whole
adamantium thing.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
There's a celestial floating in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
But mind control is the thing that's bothering you.
How did they know to call it acelestial?
Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
That's a good point.
And Erickstrom didn't show up?
Yeah, I don't care, that's agood point.
And Irishman didn't show upyeah, he didn't go to a.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
No, maybe he's plotting to avenge his son.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
We can only hope, yeah, so Ross gets thrown in the
raft.
The raft is humongous andthere's like four people in
there.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
No, don't forget about all the Netflix characters
that are also in there.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Yo, they should have putGiancarlo Esposito in there, and
then they should have had himhave the cell next to
Diamondback.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I was thinking maybe me and you can team up.
Diamondback is in there, trishWalker is in there.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
What an interesting journey she went on.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Ross is in there, the leader is in there, that's it.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
That's where all those those are all the super
criminals.
That is all the super criminals.
Maybe kang's in there?
No, he's not.
Dr doom killed kang not yet, um.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
and then so sam goes to visit ross and he's you're
not going to turn into a RedHulk, are you?
He's like not a lot of Red Hulkjuice, sorry.
And he's like well, see youlater.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
By the way, here's your daughter.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And Ross is like man, I'm, I've a man's got to own up
to his mistakes.
He's like what did Sam say?
He's like you could have foughtthis, how you didn't have to
turn yourself in.
What do you mean?
The government was not justgoing to let a Red Hulk be
president, that's true.
So Ross is like nah, I had tostep down.

(59:04):
A Red Hulk, I had to step down.
I got to do my time.
Red Hulk, I had to step down.
I gotta gotta do my time.
Sam, I'm Harrison Ford.
I might be back in one of thesein the future, who knows?
Um, and then Sam's like well, Igot, uh, I got to run, but
there's someone else that maybewants to have a conversation
with you.
And then love Tyler shows upfor 20 seconds and she just goes

(59:25):
hey, dad.
And he's like hey, we're goingto have to postpone that walk.
And she's like that's fine, wecan just talk.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Why didn't they do the funeral?
Because I'm assuming they weregoing to tell the world that
Ross died and like, yeah, youthink it's because they didn't
have a vice president like inthe wings.
Maybe, or they just I don't know, maybe they just I don't know,
maybe they just just felt likethat made was kind of cool, like
not cooler, but like it wasjust made a little bit more

(59:56):
sense, like to do the funeraland tell the world that ross
died and like I guess because ofthe way it ended, that they it
was so public like him and samfighting and then him actually
turning back into Ross that likeeveryone knew that he was alive
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So like maybe in a different version of that movie,
like they have a little moreintimate of a fight where it's
kind of just the two of themthey do the Toad Maguire and
Willem Dafoe fight from Superman1 um, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Then the movie ends well, they have that, joaquin
and him have that heart to heartyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
When he's like hey, I'm sorry, you got blown out of
the sky, and Joaquin's like ithappens, yeah, and he's just
like I'll do better next time,yeah and he said I need a seat
at the table.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I mean that that was heartfelt, like he's.
Like you know, they talkedabout messing up like I am gonna
mess up sometimes, likecongratulations, kid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
You're an avenger right like it's just like.
You're the first avenger youneed to be ready and and b.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
It's like hey, you inspired a kid.
He's just like I don't knowwhat imagine I did like that
scene.
Imagine if they did myleadership arc this whole movie.
That would have been theperfect head to do this, to be
like, hey, like I have to fightto even get a seat at this table
and I like the fact that itcame back around to Joaquin
being like no, like you're thereason I wanted to be a
superhero.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
You, sam Wilson, not Captain America.
Like Sam Wilson, the person,sam is.
Captain America?
No, I know, but I mean like ohno, you're one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Captain America deniers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Before he was Captain America he was like I saw the
Falcon, like you were the shitman.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
You could fly, yeah, and you didn't need a metal suit
to do that, rhodey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
You could fly.
You're awesome.
And then you became CaptainAmerica.
That's the type of arc I wantto go on.
That's cool and Sam's like thatis cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
He said be ready.
He said we are going to do thisAvengers thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
First, I got to go find me some Avengers.
That's what he should have saidat the end I got to go find me
some damn Avengers.
And then we get this really,really puzzling post-credits
scene.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
They just did the psycho pirate thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
But apparently not, according to the director of the
movie, because thatpost-credredit scene was
supposed to allude to theIlluminati.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Well, I thought the Illuminati were supposed to be
in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Well, yeah, but he said that the post-credit scene
was supposed to be alluding tothe Illuminati, but I didn't.
Would it have been?
I don't get that vibe at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
No, well, that finale was definitely reshot, or the
post-credit scene was definitelyreshot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Because I get the vibe that the post-credit scene
was about Doctor Doom or like atleast the multiverse.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Well, yeah well.
It's about like saying like,hey, like the multiverse is
going to collapse soon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But apparently the post-credit scene was an
allusion to the Illuminati,which I don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I don't get how that was supposed to allude to the
Illuminati at all.
I mean, who's even on theIlluminati?
Well, I'm assuming theIlluminati in the MCU was those
characters from the end ofShang-Chi.
So Captain Marvel, bruce Banner, what kind of Illuminati is
that?
The MCU's Illuminati right now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Unless it's like a super, super secret group that
we haven't seen yet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I mean, it would have been them.
It's characters we've seen.
I would be curious.
You know who would beinteresting on a team like that?
Bucky would be interesting on ateam like that.
Alright, let's spitball thisreal quick.
Yeah, who's the.
Mcu's Illuminati.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
So the Illuminati by by proxy is a group of
individuals representingdifferent groups within the
superhero universe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
And they make the tough they make the tough
decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
The Avengers make the tough decisions.
They make the immoral, likesurvival of the fittest
decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
So I think one-to-one comic to live-action Illuminati
that totally works is Namor.
You have Namor and DoctorStrange action.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Illuminati.
That totally works is Namor.
You have Namor and DoctorStrange.
I'll double down on yours Namorand Doctor Strange are
non-negotiables.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Ben and Cumberbatch is built for a team like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Because this Namor is a lunatic.
He is a lunatic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
He would flood the entire world if he needed to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
So, Namor Doctor, how many people in Illuminati?
Five, Five to six, all right.
So, Namor Doctor Strange.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Captain Marvel because I think she's also a
lunatic.
You know why I'm not going togo with Captain Marvel?
Because of the Marvels.
I think she got soft a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
She's not a lunatic anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
No, Nick Fury.
No, no, I think even when I'mout, I'm in.
No, I don't think he'd be there.
I think M mbaku would be thereinstead of shuri, because I
think mbaku has, like the, hehas the wherewithal to know,
like, what was his firstreaction when namor showed up.
Can you guys, can we justmurder him?
Like, why is this?

(01:04:37):
even a conversation, yeah, Iwill stick to the mountains if
need be, like I'm not gettingengaged unless I need to.
I think mbaku would be thewakandan, because the wakandan
stand-in needs to be there.
Sure so M'Baku.
Doctor Strange, Namor, tryingto think of some of the other
powers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Mr Fantastic, just forecasting a little bit.
But who's Mr Fantastic?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I think it would be Pedro Pascal.
Well, I mean, if we're talkingabout that movie, at the present
time that movie's coming out,I'm purposely not going to put
him there.
I think that movie at thepresent time that movie's coming
out, I'm purposely not gonnaput him there.
I think I think that bruce isthere.
I think he's pulling somestrings to be like I'm kind of
the last guard of the oldavengers, that's still like has
my mind cognitive enough and Idon't have two.

(01:05:21):
I don't have family ties oranything like that.
Like I can make tough callsalready, like you know, I'm
tony's friend.
Like I can make these callsthat he's not here for so white
vision, no, he's like theirenforcer, he wouldn't be there.
Um, like I said, I think Buckywould be like your yeah, yeah,
bucky probably has to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I was like the captain America, kind of like
standard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I'm going gonna throw you an absolute curveball for
one of them, and it would be.
I'm just trying to pick from thecorners.
However you feel about theactress hope van dyne, as the
wasp being there, she's the headof a fortune 500 company.
Like she's, I can see her beinglike you know, especially after
like the radical radicalizationof like what her father taught
her and then, like you know, herbeing so attached to shield and
then to you know, to the pin,you know to the like all the
pimp stuff, like how thingsfalling into the wrong hands can

(01:06:16):
go awry so easily like I feellike she would be a good round
out as well too, to be like ofsomebody so happy-go-lucky as
like scott, to transition, tohope, and she's like the
business one.
like things need to be done, thehard calls need to be made.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
That's a good one.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, so I guess they couldmake an Illuminati.
I suppose it was just a weirdpost-credits scene where Sam
Wilson was like what's up theleader, and the leader's like
the multiverse is a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
We know, you know what I might spin your Nick Fury
thing and put him back,obviously not as like a member,
but he's like the one that'slike, no, like the multiverse is
ending.
It will be handled.
He will be tackled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Like yeah, we know, we know the multiverse is the
thing, the leader, we know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, yeah, we saw Crisis on Infinite Earths from
from the CW.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
We know it's a good movie and that's it.
That's Captain America BraveNew World.
Like I said, I think AnthonyMackie was really really good.
I think if this movie's missionwas to justify him as the
leader of the Avengers, I thinkit does that, at least from a
character presence standpoint.
He clearly shows that he'scapable, both as a Captain

(01:07:24):
America and as a leader ofpeople.
He galvanized America again.
You got to do better.
The Red Hulk we joked aboutthat.
He was going to do that andthen he did.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, he actually did .
That was actually how he beatthe Red Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
He just talked to him Like hey, man, don't Don't be a
Red Hulk, and Ross is like allright.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
He said, okay, All right't, don't be a red hulk and
ross is like all right, he saidokay, all right, I won't be a
red hulk I'm just gonna go toprison.
Remember when I was?
No, I'm just gonna go to prison.
Old ross never would have letthat happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
No, no, old ross would have murdered him you're
gonna have to kill me if youwant me to go to prison you're
tackled um, so um, there's aphone ringing.
There is a phone ringing.
I think, all in all, this movieis not the best movie of all
time.
It's not the worst movie of alltime.
It did exactly what it neededto do, and then we just plunge

(01:08:21):
on ahead to the Thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Which I think is that movie is going to be special.
I think that movie is going tobe special there.
Agree, there's like actualdirection and actual like.
It feels like the word I usedwhen we were talking about the
trailer is definitive.
There's something definitiveabout this.
There's something zany aboutthis movie Definitive.
These performances are probablygoing to be heartbreaking.
It feels like an actual, actualfilm.

(01:08:45):
I'm very excited Beef Creatoris making, is directing this, so
yeah.
I think that's going to bereally cool.
I think I think Florence Pughis going to absolutely shine.
I can't wait to see more ofJohn Walker.
I think he is singularly one ofthe single most interesting
characters that the MCU hasright now.
Yep, um, funny enough, becauseof all the chips to Darcy

(01:09:07):
Daredevil stuff, john Walkerfits perfectly into Daredevil
season two, if they choose to gothat route.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, so yeah, I just want to see more of that
character.
I'm excited, I'm excited, I'mreally excited to see what this
movie brings because it muchlike the Fantastic Four.
It just feels different, mm-hmm, um, from what we've gotten so
far.
I know a lot of people aremaking the Suicide Squad
comparisons and I don't thinkthat's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I don't think it's that simple to be this hit squad
of you.
Do this or you'll die.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And they're not in my opinion, based on how this
movie's being framed with whatValentina's doing, I don't think
she sees them as expendable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
No, like in the vein of the Suicide Squad.
I think she wants this teamaround the century.
I think that was her originalplan is she wants this team to
bolster the century, but also tokeep the century in check, and
that's why you put assassinsaround him, because they won't
have to blink twice by the timethey have to murder him if
something goes awry.
But then the time arrives andthey're like we can't kill bob,

(01:10:12):
like that's bob, like he's cool.
It's like that's not bob rightnow, though like bob's not
coming to the phone right now um, yeah, and I mean I'm really
really excited for all thecentury stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Um, that looks like the stuff they're doing with the
void is going to be really,really cool.
Um, looks very comic accuratetoo it does look very comic,
accurate, I think the PaulJenkins, or what's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Paul Jenkins, the creator of the Century.
He was one of the consultantson the film itself too which is
so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yep, so that's the next Marvel offering Comes out
in May.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah, so we've only got a couple months.
Yeah, we're getting to the timeof this.
We said this year was going tobe jam-packed with stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I mean Daredevil literally starts In an hour, in
an hour of the night.
We're recording this on Tuesdaynight, so Daredevil is about to
come out.
I want to probably circle backto Friendly Neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Spider-Man yes, because that show deserves some
talk.
That show was special talk.
That show was the show special.
That show is special.
Um, best arc out of that show.
You never would have thought itcame from tombstone, but it
does, yeah I mean, it's just alot of it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
My favorite stuff that marvel you know, marvel
studios does, is when they takeorigin stories and they remix
them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Um also when their animated stuff has heart and
discernment to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
When they flex a little creativity it can be
really, really good when they'relike hey, man, we have this
character, let's kind of remixthe origin story a little bit.
They don't just do that, buttoo soon they do it Really with
Spider-Man throughout the courseof that show.
I want to talk about that forsure.
But next time you hear from usit'll probably be Daredevil

(01:11:54):
related stuff.
These first two episodes, likeI said, I don't know if we're
going to get into Last of Usterritory with this Daredevil
show where we're kind of justtalking about it every week.
We might it's based on the vibethe reviews, yeah, very about
it every week.
We might um, it's based on thevibe the reviews, yeah, so very,
very good.

(01:12:14):
So look forward to, uh, somedaredevil heavy content over the
next couple weeks.
Um, and we'll, like I said,we'll try and circle around to
talking about friendlyneighborhood spider-man, because
I think um does a lot of coolstuff and it and it sets up,
potentially sets up ColemanDomingo for some live action
stuff, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
You make Coleman Domingo Norman, you make the kid
that was in Fresh Prince ofBel-Air, harry.
Okay, get them with Tom, that'spretty dang good.
I just think that they to getColeman Domingo in any project
nowadays is like get him in yourpride.
Like don't.
He said he he's, he would do it.

(01:12:52):
He said he's waiting for likethe right role for a superhero
thing, for like a Marvel thingto, and I mean, and Norman
Osborn, don't complicate it,just make him Norman Osborn,
don't, don't overthink it, so uhyeah, that's it, man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You can follow us on Twitter at project enough
underscore pod.
You can follow us on twitter atproject nf underscore pod.
You can follow us on facebook.
You can follow us on instagramat the project infinite pod.
You can follow us on youtube atyoutubecom slash, the project
infinite podcast.
Um youtube channel gonna get alittle more active, hopefully in
the next month or so.
Tick tock, tick tock.
We're on tick tock.
I gotta, I gotta, keep blastingthese tick tocks out.

(01:13:25):
Man, I keep forgetting, butI'll get around to it Next week
probably.
Daredevil stuffs.
As we talk about these firsttwo episodes of Daredevil Born
Again, I can't believe it's here.
Seven-year hiatus Show wentthrough a lot Didn't know what

(01:13:47):
the show was going to be and nowit's just Daredevil season 4,
apparently.
So the best timeline this isthe best timeline for what this
show could have been.
This is the best timeline.
This is the best version ofwhat this show could have been.
So I'm really, really lookingforward to talking about that
and from me, from the Careful.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Careful man.
This might be one of thoseweeks Careful man.
It is one of those weeksCareful man I have to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I have a choice.
Do you want to be the leader?
No, I don't want to be theleader.
The Sam Wilson of the podcast.
Look, gotta do what I gotta do,man.
Do you want to be the Ruth?
Whatever her name was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Don't even mention my name and her name in the same
sentence, or the actress.
Don't do it don't you dare.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
So it's the Sam Wilson of the podcast.
Fine, we'll see you next weekfor Daredevil Born Again.
Until then, goodbye, peace.

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