148 - Reimagining DC's Future: Dream Projects for the New Universe - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
of Project Infinite Podcast, thepodcast covering the infinite
and ever-expanding multiverse offandom for movies, comics, tv
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I'm rob.
I'm here, as always, with courtin court.
We are fresh into daredevil,born again yes um, so the first
two episodes are out.

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Third episode is out tonight.
Um, I guess we could just comeoff top and just start quick
kind of thoughts on the firsttwo episodes.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, I mean one thing that I'm really
appreciating out of the gate andhow I'm feeling, is the
apprehensiveness to a newplatform, the apprehensiveness
to a new, you know kind of wayto give us this new show, new
show, quote, unquote, new showand kind of the approach,
everything that we've kind oftaken.
It's alleviated, like I feellike a, like a sigh of relief to

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say and like happy to reportback that the show's good, um,
the show's gripping, like itgets you out of the gate.
It really gets you right out ofthe gate, like one opening, the
structure.
That opening was intentful Imaybe we don't go into spoilers
into what happened, but man, howto like no better way and it
also gives you an immediateintrigue for structured
storytelling as well, too.

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For people that didn't watchthe, the netflix show, like they
can get in, find a way tonavigate as well through and
then become curious to go backthrough.
Is this as easy as saying youdon't have to watch it?
No, I, I don't think this is aseasy to be like.
You could just start fresher,you can't.
In my opinion, you can.
You do need to watch thosethree seasons of Daredevil, but
what we're given here, it's veryfully realized versions of

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these characters.
These feel like the primeversions of all these characters
, which I really appreciate.
I just can't overstate how goodCharlie Cox is as Daredevil.
It is to the point.
Bless you.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Bless you again.
Are we keeping that in?
Yeah, we're keeping that in,keeping the sneezes in.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's to the point where he's.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
All right, I love you , charlie.
I don't think this doesn't meanI don't love you.
He's got it out of his systemnow.
He's just otherworldly as he's,so himself as Matt Murdock.
I mean it's and that's thepiece.
He's himself as Matt Murdock asmuch as he is as Daredevil, and
that's an important part goinginto the show.
You know his, his kind ofreversion into into the.

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You know thedoch murdoch versusthe beast of the daredevil, and
it's something that he'sfighting with.
That's one of the, that's oneof the early themes of this
movie of like you and yourdarker half, which one should be
the one that reigns supreme andis your darker half, you like,
is that you?
That's really one of the themesand I'm happy to also report
that doesn't just go for matt,that also goes for wilson fist,
for king yep, that's.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
One of my favorite things, at least about the first
two episodes, is that Matt andFisk are both.
They're truly two sides of thesame coin and they're both
battling against their darkerhalves battling against, some
would argue, their better orworse hatreds.
And they directly confront oneanother.
On that fact, you know, which Ireally appreciate and I'm
really looking forward to seeinghow that develops.

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And that appears to be the kindof through line of what this
season is going to be about iskind of reconciling with
yourself, in a manner ofspeaking, and yeah, I mean,
everything's great.
I think that the entry into thegreater Marvel superhero
cinematic universe hasn't beenterribly jarring.

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I think they do a lot of coolstuff, um to kind of show off
his powers in a different way,in a more kind of super heroic
way, um, like a more kind oflike superhuman way than than
the netflix show did, which Ithink you know.
I think as he progresses um,you probably progresses in the

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MCU they're easing us into he'sa little bit more than just a
regular guy who's kind of gifted.
He actually has some superhumanability.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, it's like a band-aid that needs to be ripped
off and I think, because he wasencapsulated in She-Hulk and
then Echo kind of brings himback into the Daredevil Netflix
territory, where it's like therewas a line that needed to be
drawn and I think that they kindof met in the middle of both of
them as well too, like swingingaround the city like he does in
the comics and he's takingthese hits and like he looks a

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little.
You know, obviously there's someadjustments that are going to
need to be made, because I wentback and I watched the first
episode and the first and secondepisode of the first season of
Daredevil and it's like this isa transition piece in terms of
the in-suit fighting style,because obviously I hate to use
the terminology MCU-ified, likeI don't like it, but definitely
it's, it's an adjustment piece.
It's not this grittyhand-to-hand way of fighting
anymore.
It's a little bit more comicbooky now.
Like it's like and that wasagain that was thank god for

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she-hulk that we didn't justjump from the netflix show to
this like I will say thank godfor shemale, for uh, for
she-hulk, to kind of be like hey, we can, we can ease into this
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
And then just the other thing,like just rounding out kind of.
I think what hopefully everyonecan agree upon is just the
performances across the board,from top to bottom, are stellar,
obviously with Charlie Cox andVincent D'Onofrio obviously, and
then Debra Ann Wohl I thoughtin her kind of little bit of

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time that she's gotten so far inthese first two episodes.
It was just absolutelyincredible.
Um, and then my, my standout iskind of like also a little bit,
a little bit of tragedy, butobviously behind it.
but Kamar De Los Reyes says, aswhite tiger, um, I'm really
looking forward to seeing moreof that character, because
there's, you know, sometimeslike a guy just shows up on

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screen and starts doing theacting and you're like, oh, this
guy, like he kind of has like asimilar vibe to how it's not
quite how magnetic Bernthal waswhen he showed up in season two
of Daredevil, but it's like it'sentering that kind of
stratosphere and you can tellthat there's a real weight
behind that character.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And I'm just really looking forward to seeing more
of him.
And I mean, unfortunately thisis going to be, you know, his
only kind of outing in the MCUbecause he passed away from
cancer a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But I was really, really, really into that
character in that second episodereally, really into that
character in that second episode, when our wilson bethel as
bullseye is one of the mostinspired castings in the mcu,
like how formidable, howabsolutely psychotic, how much
of a lover of the game he is of,like being a, a psychopathic

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assassin, like I love the game,I love it, like I love the
animosity it brings, I love youknow, and again it's.
That's a great example of howto transition from a comic to a
television show and not make itfeel cheesy.
Like he does feel like the sameassassin that he was, but he
feels bolstered.
Everybody feels a little bitlike heftier in this show, if
that makes sense yes, yeah, 100.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean his again short outing as as
returning to, as bullseye was itwas.
You couldn't have asked for abetter kind of just stint of
action from him, right?
Um, everything that youremember about point dexter from
season three of daredevil isagain, again, like you said,
amplified.
Everything in his hands is aweapon of just utter chaos and

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destruction.
He's just so unrelenting andmerciless, not even in the one
major action that he takes, butin the ensuing action.
You see how merciless he is,because you get this feeling and
obviously I'm not going to diveinto spoilers, but you get this
feeling that he did the majorthing that he does Feels like it

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was done with intent.
Yes, what that intent is, wedon't know yet, but again, he
loves the game, right?
So when the action breaks downand he starts freewheeling, you
really get a sense of howchaotic he is.
So, yeah, overall the first twoepisodes were great.
They're planting Punisher seedsalready, which I feel like is

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just the big moment everyone'swaiting for, understandably so,
and we're going to talk aboutsome Punisher stuff in a little
bit.
So, yeah, I just wanted to getour kind of thoughts out there
on the first two episodes, um.
But today our main topic ofdiscussion is going to be we're
going to remix our pitch meetingidea from when we did the
Marvel stuff um, which wasreally, really fun, and we're
going to remix that to some DCstuff, especially as the DC, the

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new DC universe, kind of getskick-started.
We're going to just throw outsome ideas of stuff that maybe
we want to see.
I'm going to try and keep it toeither newer stuff or stuff
that hasn't been announced andjust kind of take it from there.
But first we do have some news,starting with, of course I

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almost said Oppenheimer casting.
Come on, odyssey casting.
Why did he go with another Otitle?
It's throwing me off, maybethat's his bag.
Um.
So just again we're we're atthe stage of the christopher
nolan casting where we'regetting these kind of like b to
c list actors and we're justwe're rounding out the group, um
, people that again, like arejust going to be probably in the
movie for a couple minutes andthen they're going to be gone,

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but they're, they're, they'repretty notable names.
Um, so cory hawkins obviouslyis is the most recent casting, I
think.
Um, you might know him from acouple things.
Um, straight out of comptonprobably is his big not as not
as well.
I guess maybe it is kind of hisbig break because he was also

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in Black Klansman.
I know him from 24 Legacy.
I was very excited for that showand it was okay.
He's good in it.
So I think that's great.
I think it's great for all thenames that I'm going to bring up
.
It's great for them to kind ofget, because you're kind of I

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guess I mean this is kind ofreductive to say about Jack
Quaid, but like Jack Quaid beingan Oppenheimer and now you're
kind of seeing like it kind oflike justifies a lot of Nolan's
casting choices, when you pointto like, oh, like he was only in
this movie for like two secondsand now they're like a major
movie star.
So it just shows you that he'scasting people with purpose and
people that he, in some scaleand degree, wants to work with
right um, so that's very cool.
Um our channel favorite, cosmojarvis.
Um has been cast as well.
Um, I think that's super coolfor him.
Um obviously just a uh starmaking performance in shogun.

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Yep it's not proper that wetalked about ad nauseum, for I
think it's still on record asour longest episode is the
Shogun episode, which is greatagain, especially for someone
like him who does not have anextensive filmography outside of
really.
Shogun is where he kind ofobviously broke out.
Right Right Did like an episodeof a couple episodes of peaky

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blinders, like he's been aroundlike the british tv circuit and
now obviously shogun was his bigboom and now he's being cast in
a nolan film, which I think isreally really cool.
And then the last one is jovanadepo has been cast.
Um what was he in again he wasin baby.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
He was in a few more things as well, too.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean , and then I guess we didn't
really.
I don't think we ever touchedupon the Matt Damon thing, right
, that he is Odysseus.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, he's playing Odysseus and then Tom Holland's
playing Odysseus' son.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So, like a dual lead actor, matt Damon's the real
lead actor.
He's getting the Killian Murphytreatment.
He's been Nolan's guy sinceInterstellar, like one of his
side guys since Interstellar,and you're finally going to get
to be the, be the main role,yeah, and maybe get a best, best
actor.
Now I'm out of this as well too.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, I think I think again.
But this Odyssey thing, um, Ilike that we're doing this bit
again because before you know it, this movie's going to be out
or we're going to be getting atrailer.
And man, just what a cast.
And again, just the idea thatthis story one of the first

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stories ever is finally going tobe adapted to film is awesome.
It's an awesome undertakingthat Nolan is embarking on with
this movie and I'm reallylooking forward to it.
Still, we got some trailersActually, no, let's save the
trailers.
We got some more casting stuff.

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So the Harry Potter TV show atHBO Max is starting to round out
.
We have John Lithgow casting,the first one where I'm just
like, okay, again, what's thetime frame of these things?
Because John Lithgow is in his80s.
All respect to him, he's atremendous, tremendous actor.

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He's going to be playingDumbledore.
Then Papa Asidu has been castas Severus Snape, and you can
guess what the reaction to thatwas.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
How sad, yeah, how sad, like the apparel it was.
So I mean, you know what itreminded me of when what's name
got cast as Finn in ForceAwakens, john Boyega.
Yeah, when John Boyega was cast, that's exactly how it felt.
Like how dare you infringe uponour precious, very one-colored

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franchise?
How dare you?
Yeah, about magical wizards.
Yeah, so it's fine, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's okay, it's okay, guys yeah, I mean, and I know
people are, are you know, justthere is.
There's a couple issues, notissues with the casting, but
issues that this raises and ithonestly highlights kind of like
one of the flaws in the writingof the original harry potter
stories where the thing with thething with the big aha moment,

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the big plot reveal aroundSnape's character is obviously
he had this massive affectionfor Harry Potter's mother and he
was like bullied essentially byJames Potter and I just it's
gonna read.
It's gonna read really, reallyawkwardly to have the Jamesames
potter character essentiallybullying and picking on who will

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essentially be a young blackcharacter and it's just gonna
read.
It already takes in weirdsituation, yeah, and now makes
it even weirder, right.
So I hope they're mindful ofthat and right to it, if that
makes sense, because obviouslyrace in the Harry Potter
universe is not touched uponoutside of the magical aspect of

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it.
Obviously the elves are lookeddown upon or the goblins are
looked down upon and there's awhole bunch of racial
allegorical stuff that goes onthere, but the actual idea of
white and black and hispanic andand the actual, like real world
races is never touched upon.
So maybe I mean maybe they cansurprise me and remix it a
little bit- yeah and kind ofbring a little bit of real world

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stuff into it.
I think that would help it.
Yeah, a little bit like writeto it, like don't be afraid to
write to it.
I guess would be my biggestkind of advice, like, if you're
gonna do this and you're gonna,you know, kind of put this guy
in into the forefront of acontroversy that he does not
deserve nor ask for, yeah, um, Iwould hope you at least have

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the mind and the wherewithal tokind of write to that a little
bit and address it, um, withinthe confines of the show,
because I think because of howthe storyline plays out with
those characters, it becomesimportant now.
So I mean, we'll see again.
I have pretty low expectationsfor this, just because, like, I

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think the original set of filmswas a one in a million chance
that it worked to the degreethat it did.
I mean finding those threeyoung actors at the time in emma
, emma watson, uh, rupert grintyou're catching lightning in an
absolute bottle.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, that's what you're doing, and you don't have
that same wherewithal for thisshow, and it's still.
You know, I'm hoping nothingfor the best for everybody.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's going to work for the show that's my biggest
thing, but I'm just.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I'm getting so much fear from what this show could
be and I really hope I'm provenwrong.
Me too, I want to be wrong.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
but I mean, and also not just the stroke of luck to
find these great young actors atthe time, but then also
surrounding them with these, Imean who's who of adult talent.
I mean you're talking aboutRalph Fiennes, you're talking

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about Maggie Smith.
Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Gary Oldman, richard Harris, like tennis actors and
actresses.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Alan Rickman, obviously, you obviously talking
about Snape.
You surrounded these young,impressionable, not even
up-and-coming actors new actorsyou hear about.
Daniel Radcliffe telling thestory of how he was cast as
Harry Potter.
It was like a one-in-a-millionshot for him.
None of these kids really actedat the time and then the it was

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like I said, it was a perfectcultivation of of surrounding
these, getting these youngactors, and then surrounding
them with just incredible adult,mature talent.
That was kind of foster them,you know.
Um.
So, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm intrigued, but I'm
not necessarily excited, right,but we'll see.

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We'll see what happens.
Secret Wars, let's talk aboutit.
Yeah, got some leaks.
Yeah, you want to talk.
You want to talk about this?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I mean can I start with how the new, the new
Russo Brothers movie was one ofthe worst rated movies of the
year so far.
We don't have to talk aboutthat.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
What we will talk about is howthese leaks are absolutely
insane.
It almost looks like.

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So what did we get out of theseleaks?
We got God, emperor Doom.
That was a good thing.
So they're pulling I mean,obviously they're pulling from
hickman's secret wars run likethey actually said today,
they're pulling from the 80s andthe 2010s secret wars they're
gonna pull some stuff from thebeyonder which lends critics
credence to the fact that Ithink that the original plan was

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to make a version of the.
Kang's whole thing was going tobe to become a version of the
beyonder to go into the secretwars, and then that's kind of
how the and he and kang himself,kang prime was just going to
replace dr doom in the story,but now they're just actually
going to do dr doom.
So we see this like super kindof you know, ancient, not
ancient looking, but it was likeall, like the king, like the,

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the god emperor's doom, medieval, yeah, yeah and it.
I mean it looked raw, like itlooked.
It looked pretty crazy.
Like yelena is like the.
Like the black widows areessentially like their police
force, which is kind of cool,trading out the thors.
If they're gonna do that.
Like the thor core probablygets traded out for like all the
widows.
Um, strange is still there byhis side, just like in the
comics there.
Um, sue store.

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Uh, vanessa kirby's there.
Like sue storm's there, youknow her, which also makes the
most sense.
I think that robert downey jris going to show up at the end
of fantastic four.
It's you have to get us readysomehow you have to get
everybody ready, rip theband-aid, because if, if, what
I'm hearing, and if thisfantastic four movie is as
immaculate as some people, likethe pre-screenings are saying,

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and like the the um, the testaudience school, like people,
like people are saying like, ifyou're going to do it, that's
the best way to bookend it, putit right in there.
So, uh, and you want to, ifyou're going to do this
correctly, if you're going toattack secret wars like this,
and like one of the big thingswe're talking about is who's the
main character?
Right, like we've been talkingabout who's going to be the main

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character of this thing, ormain characters Like, yeah, just
super track Reed Richards to bethe main character.
I mean, you got Pedro Pascalfor a reason.
Don't, don't waste it at a timelike this.
So, very simple, just fasttrack the.
Keep it.
Very simple, that's it.
That's all you got to do, in myopinion, like, don't, don't
overcomplicate this, just havethe two of them against each
other.
Very simple.

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So we got she's no, no, she'snot a Nexus being.
So that got debunked out ofMultiverse of Madness.

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But also to your point, I thinkwhat's going to happen is she's
going to be the one that she'sgoing to be the catalyst to hit
the boom to get the start of the, just like the Molecule man was
.
So I think, whatever happens,and like you said, she's such
like this incredible characterthat can be utilized in the
right way, that might be thecoolest way to be.
Like her reintroduction is thescarlet witch of each universe,
or like the wanda maximoff ofeach universe, is the one that's

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actually the catalyst behindeverything.
She's the only one powerful,powerful enough to do any of
these things too.
So, um, speaking of that, thereason I'm bringing up is the
children's crusade from theyoung avengers comics like.
That's probably what they'regoing to try to do.
That might be a big portion ofthis.
So who was it?
It was kamala, it was katecassie yeah, wicked in speed.

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Um, I'm still upset thatpatriots not there.
I think they're going toretroactive that, especially
like I don't know what theproblem is of like patriots, a
founding member of the youngavengers in the comics like.
And it also sucks that Kang'snot there because not having not
utilizing a younger really goodyounger actor to play, you know
, to play Iron man, to lead theyoung Avengers, to be the main

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character of this movie along,cause you're going to make
Yelena.
You're going to do what KateBishop, what you did with Yelena
.
Like her and Kamala are goingto be the two main characters of
this thing, yeah, of whateverthis Young Avengers movie
happens, which I do thinkthey're going to probably try to
speed track before Secret Warscomes out.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Come on man Speed track eh, come on, come on, that
makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, what's Star-Lord up to inthese?
Star-lord's doing a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
He's going to be like , because Vision was there too
in that leak, which makes sensebecause it's starwood yeah, they
were chilling on the couchtogether well, I think star
lord's probably like you know,the cool uncle, exactly, exactly
, exactly like he's like, but Ijust don't know how he gets in
with them who knows?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
he's on earth now.
So he's on earth, yeah I mean,who knows?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
yeah, obviously, I think the only reason we didn't
see any like avengers leaks isbecause they still don't know
who the Avengers are, which Ithink, again, it would be really
smart to build the Avengersteam that Sam's going to make.
The young Avengers are tryingto because and you know, your,
your catalyst into that isWiccan and speed are like we
need to go get my mom.
Like my mom, like I need to.

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Like our mom is, you know,being held by Dr Doom in this
universe.
Like we need to go get her.
Will, like our mom, is you know, being held by Dr Doom in this
universe?
Like we need to go get her.
Will you guys help us and likeafter recruitment, like this is
our mission, the main Avengersand then the Thunderbolts, like
the Thunderbolts are, like youknow, obviously like the void,
is you know, down Now we havethe century.
Like we are a powerful team,like let's, like it's going to
be three Avengers fronts to tryto do that and they're all going

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to lose.
And then that fourth secret oneI think is going to be that
multiversal team, like that whatI think is going to happen, and
the post-credits scene ofCaptain America 4 kind of lends
to this as well, too.
I wonder if they're going to doa situation and like this is
what the rumors were originallyof like the event, they're all
going to come together like.
They're going to be like greatThunderbolts, young Avengers,

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new Avengers, like we're alltogether doing great Perfect,
they're going to immediatelylose.
They're going to lose and youknow what they're going to lose
to a team of all these differentcharacters that we grew up
watching.
Like, and they're going to belike it's your universe against
mine.
Like choose.
Like we're going to have topick.
So I can see a version of thatunfolding.
Yeah, le, so I can see aversion of that unfolding.

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Yeah, leaks were crazy.
The leaks were we didn't eventalk about the Hulk one Hulk and
She-Hulk.
Doing a version of Planet Hulkas well, too, was crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah.
So I mean, if this is the typeof stuff they're cooking up
again, I think the Russos do atremendous job.
I think they get a bad.
Them and Downey have caught apretty bad rep, I guess.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't overtly understand it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Like I find it a bit Like.
I think it's a little reductive.
I've seen this criticism comeout about Downey recently where,
like he's just doing this forthe check and I'm like when has
he ever given that idea that hedoesn't put his all into
anything that he's doing?
And according to the Russos, heis doing that Like he is
absorbing this Dr Doom characterand kind of you know, he's

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absorbing the lore of thecharacter and then kind of
remixing it, I guess, which I'mokay with.
Um, I think one of the thingspeople forget most often about
how this whole thing started wasthey took the character of Iron
man and totally remixed it fromhow he is historically in the
comics to the point where nowthe Tony Stark that we grew up

(25:30):
literally grew up with from 2008to now is kind of like the
defining type of Iron man, likewhen you see him appear in
animation, when you see himappear in video games.
Now he has a lot of thedowny-isms instead of being the
kind of cold, calculateddickhead that he historically is

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in the comics.
So I mean if they want to.
I think people get you knowit's.
It's the old adage of like haveyour cake and eat it too.
Like do you want it to beattempted?
Do you do you want it to beattempted?
Do you want it?
Do you want them to attempt tomake it as comic book accurate
and possible as, and fail andnot live?
up to no, they didn't do this.
This part right.

(26:12):
Or this part right.
Or do you want them to take achance and remix it a little bit
, make it their own thing andpossibly flourish like I don't
see what's necessarily wrongwith that.
I think some of my favoritestuff from the MCU is when they
do take the lore.
Think of the Ego and Star.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Wars.
Thing.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's a huge one, ego being Peter Quill's father, as
opposed to how it goes down inthe comics.
I think that's one of the bestemotional moments of the MCU is
those scenes with Ego and Peter.
It's one of the best emotionalmoments of the MCU is is you
know those scenes with with egoand Peter, like when they do
that stuff?
I think it more often.
More often than not it works.

(26:52):
I mean sometimes it doesn't.
I mean you could argue nightand day that you know how they
dealt with Ultron, and the MCUwasn't exactly you know the best
, but I think the performance ofUltron was good.
I think the writing behindUltron was strong.
It's just that they kind ofjust used him as this one-off.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Avengers villain.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
But a lot of the stuff that they've done with the
.
They've truly created their ownuniverse and they've created
their own canon, which I thinkis really really hard to do.
But as long as you stick to therules of that canon, I don't
think there's necessarilyanything wrong with that um.
So, like I said, I'm willing togive this such, not just
willing to give this a chance.

(27:31):
I think it's.
I think it's gonna be good.
Um, and people just questioningwhether or not downey can do
this without like, did you watchhim in oppenheimer?
He's, yeah, awful.
Strass is an awful person rightand down.
He plays him with incredibleconviction and it's exactly what
he said.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
He said his power stays in the shed, like that's
in secret wars or the lead-up tosecret wars.
Spoiler alert that's literallywhat doom is doing.
The big reveal is that doom wasthe one that orchestrated this
entire thing.
So I think I think he's gonna befine um or not orchestrated it,
but he's the one that saved it,by his machinations, yeah, and

(28:09):
by putting making sure like theman traveled back in time,
created a cult to worshiphimself, so they would be
powerful enough to back him bythe time.
By the time, it came prettytough.
That is one of the coolestthings that a villain can do.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, so I think it's going to be fine.
It's where I've landed.
I think I've landed, that it'sgoing to be fine.
We do have some trailers,though Trailers to talk about.
First and foremost, we got aLast of Us trailer.
Everything looks better.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Physically like.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Everything looks better from season one.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I mean, scale is something, but also intimacy is
something as well too, and Imean relationship wise.
It feels more dialed, likeeverybody feels like I think
they understood the task that'sat hand.
Yeah, from a non.
I think they understood the twoends of the, of the, of like,
the two ends of the spear, oflike, hey, hey, we need to just
nail this.

(29:08):
Like we're, you know, we madeone of the best shows of 2023.
Like we need to come back withabsolute fire when we come back
around to do this one more time.
And it's not only that,understood, we're 2024.
That showed the beginning of2024, january.
Like, we also understand oflike the consummate pressure we
have, pressure from just being agreat show that needs to follow

(29:29):
up with the second great season.
They also know the pressure ofthe gaming community of what's
going to happen.
Those who know know those who donot are going to want to just
hurl themselves off a bridge.
Like this is how this is goingto go.

(29:50):
But again, again, no betterperson to put in that situation
than Craig Mason.
I mean somebody that's like aconsummate, you know
professional, somebody that'sgot full control over you know
how to connect and how tostructure and how to long form
and how to like, really breakdown and really understand how
to, how to craft.
I think he's one of the bestcrafters, he's one of the best
weavers there is and, like Isaid on a long-form front and
going into this trailer, I meanwe can talk about the coverage

(30:11):
of what this is going to coverthroughout the game without
getting into too many spoilers.
So I mean, you're looking atthe Jackson stuff is the big
stuff that this is going tocover?
The Jackson stuff slash theAbbey stuff are the two big
things.
There's Seattle stuff in here.
There's a lot of Seattle stuff.
A lot of Seattle stuff, whichbrings me to my big theory.
I need drum rolls or somethingwhen we get into the theory time

(30:32):
.
They're going to tell thisnon-linearly.
They're going to do this, seemsto be.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
That seems to be happening.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
They're going to do this.
They're going to do everythingin here, non-linear back and
forth, because I think even someof like the leaked set photos,
had abby and or had ellie andellie and dina on the horse in
seattle, like while it wassummer in seattle, I believe.
So that's pretty deep into thatgame.
I think what they're going todo is season three is going to

(30:59):
be santa clara and season two isgoing to be the whole second
game, like season two will be,or the two-thirds of the second
game, like it's going to bealmost all of it.
Season three is going to besanta clara and whatever they're
going to add into it as welltoo.
Um, whatever differencesthey're going to make, I have a
feeling that again I'm gonna,I'm gonna say this until I'm

(31:20):
proven otherwise, which maybe Ishould, but I just I'm being
stubborn.
I still think that HBO told youknow, druckmann, you better get
on the Last of Us Part IIIimmediately, like immediately.
This game needs to be done.
Like I know you're working onyour Intergalactic game.
Get that game out, and the nextyear I need you to get the Last
of Us Part III out, three out.

(31:46):
So obviously that's a nearimpossibility, especially with
intergalactic being this likeabsolute space epic, amazing 80s
inspired space epic.
It's about to be.
However, I do think that theyunderstand how fruitful this
last of us universe is and howlucky that that, you know,
warner brothers was the one topick up the rights to it as well
.
So I think they understand.
I think they said like, hey, weneed this third story at least

(32:07):
mapped out.
But, like I said, I thinkseason three is going to be
Santa Clara and season two isgoing to be Jackson and Seattle,
and then the killing blow upand then the thing is going to
happen in the like that's goingto be the cliffhanger.
It's the thing.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I mean that'd be such a wild way to tell that
second game story, but it couldalso address a lot of the
criticisms that I have had ofthe pacing of the second game.
Um, if they do try and do itnon-linearly and I think it also
addresses some of the you know,not addresses the issues that,
the questions that I have, butit addresses the thing that I've

(32:44):
been saying for a while abouthow they need to handle abby.
They need to handle her with alittle bit of a sense of mystery
and and build her up as as moreof a protagonist, and I think
telling the story non-linearlycould do that.
Um, especially as, as itappears that they're really
gonna set up, they're not.
I don't think they're makingany bones about the WLF being an

(33:08):
antagonistic faction or, at thevery least, isaac being an
antagonistic figure.
The vibe that you get fromJeffrey Wright in these first
couple trailers is that he isgoing to be outwardly villainous
and I think that is how youmake Abby a little less
villainous, seeming.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I don't.
Maybe we saw Owen in thatsnapshot of when they're walking
to the cabin.
It seems like, but I don't knowwhy, I keep getting this weird
feeling they're purposelywithholding who's playing Abby's
father, like they're.
They're purposely withholdingit because I feel as if they
possibly were able to get abigger actor to play her father

(33:47):
and, to our point, like if youwere able, in some incredible
way, shape or form, find a wayto get this bigger actor, this
lovable actor, and then thething happens for him.
And then it's like can we spoilthat part?
Is that a big deal?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean we can throw a spoiler, spoiler warning
on top right.
This is a big piece for it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
So what you find out is that one of the doctors that
joel kills is abby's father.
That's why it's such a, that'swhy that revenge story is.
You know, and I and I said itall the time one of my favorite
parts about the last part two isperspective.
Like once your perspectiveshifts, it's just that game just
needs to do a better job at,you know, making abby into a

(34:31):
character that you want to rootfor and then get there.
But then you go right back toellie again too and you're like
wait actually I hate abby, andyou don't want that, so yeah
yeah, um, yeah, that's all I cansay.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Again, everything just looksbetter from the first season.
They heard your complaintsabout the zombies.
Don't freak out.
No, they're infected.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
There's no zombies in that universe.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
There's going to be infected in droves this season.
It appears.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yes, woof.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
So don't worry, and we're just going to get some
more of the great character workthat we got in the first season
.
I think you know what that showwas really great with was
expanding the universe, and I'mjust looking forward to seeing
how they do more of that inseason two and beyond.
Um, we got a andor trailer woof, um, woof.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, this is gonna be good what a, what an
absolutely incredible way forthem to approach the trailer
down to the music, and I meanthe show is just looks so sharp.
It's it shows sharply shot, um,and everybody's dialed in like
this is the most.
It's the most war we've everseen in star wars.
Yeah, and we've seen actual warin star wars.

(35:43):
It's the most war because it'sthe.
It's the byproduct of the bad,of what war is.
It's.
It's the truest form of the warin star wars.
It's.
It's not about these big, youknow, deaths they're big death
star a little bit but it's notabout these, these you know it
is ultimately about the deathstar, tie, fighter, x-wing
battles or these you knowlightsaber duels like it's about

(36:05):
the political gain.
It's about the Death Star, tiefighter, x-wing battles or these
lightsaber duels.
It's about the political gain,it's about the people.
It's about the people.
The people are the number onepriority and I think that's why
season one sings so harmoniously.
It's such this realm of feel Ifelt the whole time Down to
characters like Nemec, down tocharacters like what's her name?
I forget her name.

(36:28):
Mothma, yeah like looking at allthese characters from this
realm of like.
Oh, it's actually about thepeople in here.
Like gave me that feel of likeyou know what story.
Like how you originally feelfor Luke.
And like gives me the same feelof how you feel when you're
playing the Star Wars Jedi games.
I actually care about thesepeople that are just thrown into

(36:49):
this eternal war that seemslike it'll never end.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I love we're going to talk about
the Thunderbolts trailer in asecond too but it is kind of
hilarious that Disney is justlike, hey, this is the cool
thing that we made.
They did the same thing withthe Andor trailer when they were
like this is the mostwell-written Star Wars thing
ever and like, yeah, it might be.
Um.
So that's kind of funny thatthey're kind of like

(37:13):
self-reflective on that front,being like, yeah, we know that
this thing was well regarded forthese reasons and we're going
to give you more of that.
You know, everything just looksincredible and just the way
Tony Gilroy talks about thisshow just makes you like, yeah

(37:41):
about this show just makes youlike, yeah, just, it's just.
I love when showrunners,especially like showrunners that
like that, come with thegravitas of a tony gilroy yeah,
and he's like just super jazzedfor like everything that he's
doing.
Um, it's super cool, um, andyou know, again, the best thing
I can say about this show andthe best thing I can say about
both of us were when, before theshow came out, you know we're

(38:01):
both like all right, you knowwe're going to do this Cassian
and or prequel thing, like cool,and then the show turned out to
be incredible.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Incredible is an understatement.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And then you're like man, this just colors the way
that I view Rogue One, and I'mlooking forward to seeing how
season two also does more ofthat, right, considering that
season two is A the final season, and it's going to bleed
directly into Rogue One and it'sjust going to enrich that movie
.
That was already great, yeah,and it's just going to enrich it

(38:36):
even more now that we're goingto have cassian's whole story,
right, um.
So I'm really really lookingforward to that, um.
And then the last trailer wehave to talk about is the
thunderbolts the absolute cinematrailer man, what a what a
swing.
It's a flex, it's a flex, it's aflex and it's a flex, it's a
flex, it's a flex and it's aswing, man.
And for them to just be just sounabashed about it.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
And I want the.
I told you so because this ishow I want the structure.
This is how I'm thinking.
I think Captain America BraveNew World was the last of that
very rough old guard way oflooking at phase four and five.
I think the Thunderbolts wasthe discernible start of like
wait, should we do cinema?

(39:21):
Remember, we joked about thisweeks and weeks ago.
We were like at what point ismarvel gonna get catch on?
And be like maybe we should trythe cinema and like we're
talking about, like you know,obviously for fantastic four
they were testing the panavisioncameras and like you look at
the personnel and like it'sfunny.
I didn't know who was working onthe Thunderbolts.
And then like obviously I knewthat the beef director did this

(39:41):
before they dropped this trailer.
But you looked at theThunderbolts trailer, you're
like wait, why does this?
It looks different, it feelsdifferent.
And then you go into personneland it all and it backs up my
point it's not about the movie,it's about who you got movie.
It's about who you got and I'mglad we're going to do this
pitch meeting as well too.
It's my favorite thing of thepitch meetings that we do.
Um, a star wars pitch meetingwould also be a fun episode too

(40:01):
yeah, yeah, we're gonna have todo that, yeah um, but man, this
team that they have on this filmis absurd.
I mean, you're getting the emmyaward-winning director of beef.
Um, who else are you getting?
You're getting the editor ofminari really incredible movie
as well, too that lee isaacchung.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Everything, everywhere, all at once what's
their name?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
son lux or something like that?
Um, the group's name.
Um, you are getting.
Who else are you getting onthis?
You're getting the beefdirector, you're getting the
minari editor, you're you'regetting the cinematographer of
the green knight.
Like, what an absolute teamthey put together.
And again they really played onlike what did?
Uh, the day before florence,pew said like this is like if an

(40:48):
a24 did a marvel movie andpeople were started losing their
minds.
They, they're like don'tmention A24 and Marvel in the
same.
Relax, calm down.
It's okay, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's actually a great approach.
I think so too.
I think this is long, longoverdue.
But also now that you've putthis out there.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Right, you've put this out there.
As Marvel, as Disney, you haveto now fulfill that promise.
Yes, you have to live up tothis now which I think this
movie will do.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
But it's not about this movie?
Yeah, because I have a feelingthat the thunderbolts and the
fantastic four are gonna do bothof those things, for both
different, in the same reasons,like you've now you've now hung
a lantern on this idea, thatyou've now openly admitted
through this trailer, that, likewe're actually trying to make a
movie now, mm-hmm.
And movies to come.

(41:43):
Yeah, and like man, you knowwhat movie I'm looking at right
now the Eternals.
Like I wish the Eternals wouldhave came out after this movie,
because then they would havebeen like no, let Chloe do
whatever she wants.
What are we even infringing onanything for?
I think this movie they letthem do a lot of what they
wanted to do, like I don't thinkthere was too much.
I don't think there was muchmeddling in this movie.

(42:04):
It feels like and I know likePaul Jenkins was a part of
making this movie Like Marveldoesn't do that overtly too much
DC does, I don't think marveldoes that in crazy amount to
have the creators of the thingslike I'm talking direct
one-to-one, like consulting onthese films.
I could be wrong, but like thisone, like paul jenkins said
like no, I was like a big partof getting century in this movie

(42:27):
and how the attack for centurywas yeah, I'm again like I said
now you've, you've now hung alantern on this idea that you're
trying to make an actual movie.
A film.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, and now you have to fulfill that promise.
Now, in a weird way, theThunderbolts kind of had a low
floor, high ceiling.
Now I feel like the floor hasdropped a little bit, because
now this movie, fairly orunfairly, is going to come with
a level of expectation now, Likeyou've now hung a lantern on.

(42:59):
Look at all this cinemapersonnel we're putting behind
this movie.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
This zany like fun like new.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Now you have to deliver, like now this movie is
now positioned.
Not to be kind of like this funsurprise, now this movie comes
in with a level of expectationposition.
Not to be kind of like this funsurprise, now this movie comes
in with a level of expectation.
Um, but I will say, for them tomarket it this way speaks to
what I believe was a lot ofconfidence.
I don't think they would havedone the trailer like this if

(43:28):
they weren't very, veryconfident.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I think they knew.
I think when they started thepre-screenings, I think they
knew that they were like wait,because again, I think that with
the Thunderbolts to your pointabout the floor right being kind
of like it's close to theceiling, like it is what it is I
think that Kevin Feige is likeyou guys do what you got to do,
like I'm not, I'm worried aboutthe fantastic four, like you
guys do what you got to do.
And they were like really, Ican get whoever I want.

(43:52):
Like the beef director's, likeI can get whoever I want for
this.
And he went through his a24rolodex and he got everybody
that ever worked on an a24 movie, including half of these actors
in this movie.
So he's like wait, I can dowhatever I want.
Yeah, it was like sure, we gotthe fit.
Like I'm worried about, I'mworried about you know bigger
things down the line.
Do what you got to do.
And I'm like thank god, likeagain, yeah, the one that really

(44:15):
is glaring to me that I wishwould have came out after this
whole initiative, to be like,hey, we should have done cinema.
And I'm like, yeah, I tried totell you guys was the eternals.
Like that's the biggest one Iwish would have been on the
other half of this.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean , like I said, I think this
movie can't imagine a world thatthey would put out a trailer
like this if they weren'tsupremely confident that the
thing that they're nowadvertising, that they've made,
or that they're, I guess,insinuating that they've made,

(44:49):
like you don't put out a trailerlike this and you're like,
unless you're like, yeah, wemade an actual film here, you
know, an action film, but a filmnonetheless, unless you were
supremely confident that that'sthe type of movie that you've
done.
So we'll see.
I mean, this movie comes out ina couple months and I think we
both, after that first initialtrailer, are both like oh yeah,

(45:11):
this could be really, reallyspecial.
So I'm really looking forwardto it.
Yep, so on that front, um,let's do, let's do pitch meeting
.
Yeah, because it's about thepersonnel.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's about the personnel, so yeah um dc pitch
meeting, much like the marvelpitch meeting.
We're going into the office, wehave our business suits on, we
have our briefcases with notwith comics in them.
James gunn is here.
Yeah, james gunn's here.
He's got his laptop.
He's got his glasses.
James Gunn is here.
Yeah, james Gunn's here.
He's got his laptop.
He's got his glasses.
Nathan Fillion is here for somereason yeah, for some odd
reason.
Dave Bautista's here.
I still am very excited and alittle scared.

(45:45):
Who's the funniest fourthperson that can be in here?
John Cena, john.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Cena's in here.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
John Cena's in here.
So same approach you get a film, you get a TV show, you get a
special presentation, and then Iwill give you a fourth cook
project.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Just cook.
I wasn't ready for that one.
All right, I can freestyle it.
I think I went first last time,so you can go first this time.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I think I'd like you to go first again.
You get the number one pick twoyears in a row.
What?
I think I went first last time,so you can go first this time.
I think I'd like you to gofirst again.
Oh, you get the number one picktwo years in a row.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
What are we?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
doing.
First.
Let's go the progression so wecan start.
I feel like last time thespecial presentation meant so
much to us.
It kind of divulged into theone that we ended up having so
much passion.
My show is the one that I havethe most passion for.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Let's start with the special presentation okay, uh,
that's the one I gave the leastamount of thought to.
Funny enough, um, specialpresentation.
You know what I'm, you knowwhat I need.
I'm gonna need to think aboutit, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna do
my tv show first, because it'sthe one that I'm most realized
about, and you know, you know mefrom the last one, I'm a big

(46:59):
continuation reboot guy.
Um, and this is something thathas been out in the ether, um,
for quite a while, that I, youknow, I'm not sure will ever
happen, and it's a, it's an hborevival of arrow uh, okay, so
you weren't joking when youtalked about the different
approach you were going to take.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
You were not joking.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Okay.
I think it makes a ton of sense.
I think that you have acharacter that is ripe for this
type of thing.
I wouldn't complicate it toomuch.
I'm probably just bringingJames Bamford back, who, I
believe, directed the mostepisodes of Arrow Okay, from

(47:40):
2015 to 2020.
And he directed the finale, ifI'm not mistaken.
He's a former stunt guy, grewup in the stunt business, much
like what's his name, davidLeitch Yep, who, if I was making
an Arrow reboot movie, I wouldprobably do David Leitch, I
think he's got a good hand.

(48:01):
That's really good, but I don'tthink David Leitch would do an
Arrow miniseries.
No, so I'd probably just getJames Bamford back to do a kind
of.
I guess I'd probably do 8episodes, maybe 18 episodes 18
episodes though, and I wouldprobably just play the hits.
Um, maybe set it not quite kindof like a, almost like a

(48:26):
daredevil adjacent type thing,where it's kind of like is this
the same universe, is this areboot, is this something else?
Um, and just play the hits.
Um, I would play the hits, Iwould surround it around,
probably do I.
Probably, just again, I'dprobably just play the hits and
probably just do some type ofoliver deathstroke story.
Um, make it a little bit moreless, a little less cable tv, a

(48:51):
little more focused.
Um, I probably, maybe you knowwhat, maybe what I do, and I do,
um, kind of like a remix of thearrow prison arc, but make it a
little more kind of like fanservicey where, like I put a you
know you build the firstepisode oliver's in prison, you

(49:12):
don't know why, um, and you kindof unravel that mystery, okay,
as things go along, but like inthe prison he's dealing with you
know who's who of like arrowvillains I like that.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I like an approach of like this super max prison with
all, like your play, hitsvillains and then, yeah, why is
oliver also in this?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
you just bring them all back like malcolm merlin's
there, you put freaking.
You put bronze tiger there.
I love the bronze tiger bit inarrow when he's in prison.
There, you put freaking, youput bronze tiger there.
I love the bronze tiger bit inarrow when he's in prison.
There, you put bronze tiger inthere.
Well, you put prometheus inthere, um, and you just build it
around this whole thing.
And then you find out again,because it's kind of like
remixed arrow lore, you find outlike deathstroke's the one that

(49:51):
kind of like orchestrated himbeing put in prison, because
like that's how else you get himoff the street.
Right, likestroke's the onethat orchestrated him being put
in prison, because that's howelse you get him off the street.
What's the biggest way to kickOliver Queen when he's down?
You frame him for a crime andyou put him in jail.
Obviously, you bring ManuBennett back.
Yep, that's your biggest getback, honestly, that's your

(50:12):
biggest, get back and thenobviously your final episode is
as great as the.
I do enjoy the deathstrokearrow stuff in season two, like
that final fight that they havewhere they're constantly
flashing back, back and forth.
But I think you just end thismini series with like a proper,
just r-rated deathstroke versusgreen arrow fight, kind of like

(50:34):
in the vein of like I'm thinkingof, like remember, like batman
arkham origins, where they dolike the deathstroke cut scene,
like I'm thinking that, but likea green arrow, like they start,
kind of maybe they both startlike a distance, sure, and
they're both like you know, yougot oliver out of prison.
Probably he gets out likeprobably like episode five, four
or five, gets his, gets hissuit back, finds out that slade

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is the one that orchestrated hisimprisonment.
For I would have to I didn'tquite think about like the crime
, probably like a murder, amurder of some sort that he was
framed for.
Um, probably a murder of likemaybe it's like a murder of like
a john diggle, oh.

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And then we just keep it reallytight.
We don't really connect it toany type of greater DC lore or
anything like that.
You just make it veryself-contained and just good
action In my brain.
You kind of treat the prisonlike a scott pilgrim type deal
like every episode like likehe's working his way like

(51:40):
through the present prisonbecause, like, obviously the
guards are in on it, so they'relike oh right shoot, damn oliver
, it's crazy that you ran intomalcolm merlin in this hall
right now.
We have to have a fight right,like maybe he teams up with like
a villain in there.
I don't know who he would teamup with, maybe a sister?
Oh, like the half-sister, ohyeah, oh yeah, that's a way to

(52:03):
bring her back.
You have them kind of team upin the prison and they get after
it.
Maybe throw some of theflashback villain guys in there.
That'd be fun.
Yeah, yeah, like I said, Ithink you play the hits.
You treat it as like an eightepisode, like love letter to
this show that we've talkedabout before was like the, the

(52:26):
true linchpin kickstarter oflike shared cinematic universes.
That doesn't get nearly enoughcredit.
Um, right, and then maybe atthe end of the end episodes you
throw a little Flash cameo inthere.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
That'd be fun.
That'd be fun.
Joe West cameo Sure Gratuitouscameos.
Oh, there would be definitelygratuitous cameos.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
This actually only thrives off gratuitous cameos.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And then you have like maybe the, maybe the way he
like gets out of prison is likeyou have the separate story arc
where, like it's quentin andlaurel because like again
separate universe type deal,quentin and laurel are like
working on the outside trying tofigure out how he, what
happened, right, and then likethey have the big like come to
moment where, like they get himout and then quentin and laurel
like sit all over down, they'relike no, actually like

(53:16):
deathstroke is the one that'slike orchestrating this, and
then they, they come to blows soan arrow revival, revival, one
season.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, let's put them.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Put them in the thunderdome yeah, yeah, yep,
steven amell is obviously comingback duhuh yeah.
I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Stephen Amell, that's Stephen's the Amell.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
The Salmon Ladder is back.
He gets Big, big montage, bigtraining montage In episode four
or five.
Whenever he decides to get outof prison, he gets back to the.
We bring it back, we remix it.
We bring it back to like theold school Under the foundry
Right Bunker Instead of like thebig technological Thing.
Old school under the foundrybunker instead of like the big

(53:59):
technological thing.
And he gets the salmon ladder,he gets in there.
The voiceover's back no, I'mkidding.
Maybe, actually, maybe I'm notkidding Maybe we do do a
voiceover, a monologue.
No, no, maybe.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
No, you have to.
What are you talking about?
That's one of the most corepieces of this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
The man in the hood was there that night, damn.
And then you bring back what'shis name?
Blake Neely, the score guy.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
You have to.
All-time score yeah it's prettygood, insane.
All right, you go, am I?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
going with my TV show .

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You can go whatever you want, because you told me to
do the special thing and Iwasn't ready for it, so I just
changed, I changed your.
Well, I'll do my tv show then,so so we can keep keep volleying
back and forth.
So this is the one that meansthe most to me.
I've talked about it on here,about this, a bunch of times.
Um, it's the mr miracle show.
I think that is one of thesimply one of the most special
comic book runs there's everbeen.
I mean, the themes that theytackle in that is absolutely

(55:01):
insane.
It is.
It's one of those, it's one ofthose books where it kind of
changes you a bit after you readit.
And like it's always my pointof like it doesn't matter where
the media is consumed from, aslong as the story is great and
impactful.
And Mr Miracle is a greatexample of that.
The Last of Us video game is agreat example of that.
The last of us video game is agreat example of that.
Like it doesn't matter thatit's a comic book in a video

(55:21):
game, like the story that comesfrom that is absolutely
exceptional and absolutely toptier.
And I mean that mr miracle run,you know, dealing with all the
mental illness that they weretalking about in that, I mean,
you know you're talking about acharacter that's entire power
set is built upon escaping fromanything and you know the first
panel like that's in, like thepresent day in that book is him,

(55:43):
you know, trying to take hisown life.
Like that is a potent way tostart a book, and I mean
encapsulated on max would be thebest place to capture all this.
Like this, you know r-rated,you know super, like, super
emotional, but kind of also verylike zany and weird kind of
television show.
Um, my personnel that I needfor this, dylan o'brien, is

(56:06):
that's mr miracle, like the lookhe had an american assassin and
like that, that one frame ofhim just looking directly at the
camera when he's, when he's inthat, in that, like that's mr
miracle.
Like there's this broken naturethat gets added on to it as
well too, and kind of like this,like weight that gets added on
to mr miracle.
And I I just find that you knowit would be so fun to attack

(56:30):
like I love like the wholeapproach of mr miracle, how
regular everything is like.
If paul rudd was younger hewould also be a perfect Mr
Miracle.
I love this whole idea that hiswife's and obviously because I
needed to grab the tallestactress I could Elizabeth
Debicki would be Big Barda.
That's easily the easiestcasting that I would have to go

(56:50):
through, but I just think itwould be absolutely incredible.
Imagine you're doing your show,like it feels a bit like
something just feels off that'sthe big thing for the Mr Miracle
book, like and again, that's abig, you know allegory for
mental illness Like somethingjust feels off, this whole thing
, like there's this ever presentloom that's over you and I mean

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I love the thing, the situationhe gets thrown into.
It's like his wife's having abit.
It's a satire piece, um, whichis gonna get me into like I'm
having a battle of who I want todirect this.
But I think I kind of justanswered my question.
I had a battle of the approachI wanted to take.
But I just feel like it wouldbe absolutely hilarious if, like
you know, he's like you know,like his wife's having you know

(57:33):
their, their kid, and like thefuries are in the room over of,
like you know, tomorrow we'regonna like try to murder you,
right, they're like can we justlet my son be born today?
And like dark side is likeeating a baby carrot at his
son's baby shit, like it's themost weird and absurd.
But it's also high, violentlyemotional and violently topical

(57:54):
and violently potent of a story.
Um, it's one of the mostspecial ones that you can find.
So obviously, like I said,dylan O'Brien and Elizabeth
Debicki would lead this, asScott Free and Big Barda, my
writer, would be.
It's a combination team.
Obviously Tom King.
It would be Tom King, but Iwant Tom King and I want Cord
Jefferson, who worked onAmerican Fiction, won the Oscar

(58:15):
for American Fiction, but foryour DC fans know that he wrote
one of the only Emmy Awardwinning episodes of the Watchmen
, like the Watchmen TV show.
Cord Jefferson won the Oscarfor that episode.
So I really think that theirtandem together, as an approach
to how to really break down acharacter, I think they do
really well and strip down likethis superhero mystique around

(58:40):
it as well too.
I think that both of them do anabsolute incredible job at that
as well too.
Um so, my director, I had abattle and I think I answered my
question.
At first, I had koganata, whodid after yang and, more
important, like more famously,he did columbus, and I think I
think it's because there was anambience about the way that he
directs that I wanted.
But you know who would beabsolutely perfect to get the
weirdness out of this, thesatire out of this Because this

(59:02):
does need to be a part satirepiece it's Bill Hader.
Bill Hader would be theabsolute perfect person to
direct this thing.
He would capture the weirdnessand the absurdities.
And again, it's the same thingthat the bear happened to and
like these more and again it'sthe same thing that the bear
happened to, same thing that tedlasso happens to, same thing,
obviously, barry happened to.
The first seasons of comedy.
The deeper you get, you're likewhy am I always sad when I

(59:24):
watch this show?
And that's what I want toattack like I really want to get
into that realm.
So, uh, like I said, I thinkdylan o'brien would be the
absolute number one and perfectchoice.
And it's also like one of thosethings like, obviously, when
teen wolf was coming out morelike, more specifically, when
the maze runner was coming out,like I thought dylan o'brien was
like next, like I thought hewas gonna be the absolute

(59:45):
biggest star.
Obviously, he had a veryviolent like.
He had a very, very bad injurythat he suffered as well too, on
the maze runner, which kind ofderailed some things.
But he's still in his mid-30s Ithink early to mid-30s so
obviously, like he is, he'sstill primed for an absolutely
incredible career and I think Ithink a role like this would
really kind of like propel himback into that a-list

(01:00:06):
stratosphere of like everybody'swants to know what he's doing
as well too.
So, um, I had my cinematographeras the loki cinematographer and
the black panthercinematographer, autumn
Durald-Archipel.
I feel like the way that shecaptures shadows and lights and
the way they were approachingLoki, I kind of want that same
look for something like this.

(01:00:26):
And then my composer same thing.
The Loki composer would beNatalie Holt.
That one I had a lot of thoughtinto.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I can tell, I can tell you really thought into.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I can tell that's great, and if Bill Hader's not
around to direct, I'll do itglad you're willing to step up.
I hope you did the same thingon a writing front for one of
these.
I'll just do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I'll do it myself, I'll do it myself my special
feature one I wouldn't mindwriting because it feels like
it'd be fun, so I guess I couldjust jump into that sure, I'm
actually very excited to talkabout that one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I took a different approach and my special
presentation is going to be aseries of special presentations
that are going to culminate in afourth piece.
You can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, this is our show this guy's making his own
rules.
I am making my own rules.
I'm kind of making my own notmaking my own rules per se, but
my idea for a specialpresentation would be a Booster
Gold Blue Beetle thing nice,nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
Yeah, so instead of, butinstead of doing Ted Kord and

(01:01:31):
Booster, Gold, you're a genius.
I'm going to do Jaime Reyes andBooster Gold, in which Booster
Gold comes back in time to getBlue Beetle and he ends up
running into the Jaime Reyesvariant Not variant, but the
Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle and he'slike, oh no, I got stuck with
another Blue Beetle.
So obviously I just bring ZolaMaradona back as Jaime Reyes.

(01:01:53):
I don't think you'd get muchbetter casting than that.
As for my Booster Gold actor, Iwould like to nominate Patrick
Schwarzenegger.
I think that's really good, Ithink that's really really good.
I think that guy was great inthe Boys as Golden Boy when he
was in it for a bit.

(01:02:14):
I think he would be great as aBooster Gold and their dynamic
would be more kind of like oneof just it's just kind of like
wackiness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
It's like if Star-Lord were to be like your
mentor figure.
Like yeah, you need to betaught things.
Like why are you talking to meas if I need to learn things?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, like it's weird , like it'd be this dynamic
where, like Blue Beetle, likeJaime Reyes, is kind of like
entering his own as like asuperhero, and booster gold's
like man.
This is not what I wasexpecting, right.
Um, as who the villain would be, I would have to go with
booster gold's father, johnCarter.
Oh, that's good, played by.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Anthony star.
Oh, that's really good, that'sreally good, that's good, I like
that.
I like that quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And that's why Booster Gold has come back
through time, because he'strying to figure out how to beat
up his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I will say, to give a bit of a leak for one of mine,
this is not the last time you'regoing to be hearing from
Anthony Starr tonight.
Oh, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I just feel like that would be a kind of neat sim,
like synthesis of like the boysuniverse where like golden boy
was like supposed to be the nexthomelander, right and then you
have anthony star playing kindof like an evil not an evil
version of booster gold, butlike this kind of like father

(01:03:38):
figure who's you get?
you get anthony star to playlike the character, that kind of
like soldier boy was thehomelander, like, ah, he looks
at booster gold and he's likeyou're a disappointment.
You know that like you're likethe worst ever.
Um, and then, like you can, youcan do a whole bunch of stuff.
You can interject the Mr Mindstuff into.

(01:04:00):
That's the reason why JohnCarter is the worst, right, and
you can bring back our old palMr Mind.
No, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
You know what Actually.
Do it.
Why not?
It's actually fine, you canbring it back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
As for who I would want to direct this, I was quite
fond of the.
I think I would probably justget the Blue Beetle director in
Angel Manuel Soto.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Um, I think Blue Beetle, much like he was in his
own film, would be kind of likethe grounding mechanism and the
heart just get a nice littleteam up movie not a movie but,
like you know, specialpresentation you tell that story
in like an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
That's still a film yeah and, like you know, they
just start, like he just starts,like he's blue beetling and
then all of a sudden, boombooster, gold shows up and he's
like oh, he's like ted.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You're not the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Blue Beetle I'm looking for, you're not Ted.
And then we keep up thishilarious bit of Ted Kord just
not appearing in anything ever,which is an excellent byproduct
of this.
It's kind of funny, I'm notgonna lie.
He's mentioned in name, only wehear him speak a little bit in
Blue Beetle at the end, and Ijust think that would be fun.

(01:05:37):
So that's, that's mine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Okay, I love it, I really like it I'm a big fan,
thanks I'm an absolute big fan.
All right, I put a lot ofthought into this.
Yeah, you got four concurrentspinoff things.
Yes, so this is kind of like aspecial presentation, like it's
a mini series at this point yeah, like it's a, it's a mini
series, it's like this andyou're doing black mirror, but

(01:06:03):
dc a little bit.
I think it's like this, like.
So here's my approach.
So, obviously, paul dini andthe absolutely like monumentous
alex ross made the, those, thoseseries of books.
So it's, you know, batman, waron crime, superman, peace on
earth, so on and so forth.
So you do those two and you dothe wonder woman one as well too

(01:06:26):
.
Um, I forget what her, the nameof hers is, but you do those
three.
So you start with the wonderwoman one, you do the bat, you
do the superman one, you end onthe batman one.
But what you do, what you do,is you find a way to tie them
back into jim krueger's justice,also drawn by alex ross.
Because what you do is you weavethose three together to kind of

(01:06:47):
get the you know the behind thescenes kind of you know string
pulling of the Injustice League,and then you weave that into
like essentially like a like amini series version of, like
this, this Justice League story,like, like I said, justice by
Jim Kruger.
I think it's an incredible book, all four of those books are

(01:07:07):
incredible books, but you find away to kind of weave those
together too.
So, like, my approach that Iwanted for this was I wanted it
to be like this almost like youknow, know, narration was a big
thing.
I, in my opinion, like I neededthe narration to be this piece
that was so, like, so prominent.
And you know, I want the it'sperspective, I want the

(01:07:27):
perspective of them.
And then how essentially youapproach it.
You kind of take the trinitybook that they did, the three of
them, and you, you kind of usethat as the base for justice.
You kind of weave those twobooks together as the fourth
part, like the penalty, like thefinal part, um, so you do the
justice storyline.
So you know, what I really wantto capture is like the
different thought processesbehind, you know, the leaders of

(01:07:50):
the justice league I, and alsothe reason why I kind of picked
those is I was.
I was Alex Ross when I wasthinking about it and like his
classic it's almost likeclassical music, his classical
approach to everything and theway he kind of thinks about
everything too.
So for my personnel, on thisfilm, craig Mazin would write it
.
I feel like he would be thebest version of a person that

(01:08:10):
can really understand this.
How to weave things, like Italked about earlier, he's one
of the best weavers you can find.
Like to play off all thesestories is going to be very
difficult to tie back into thefourth part, and the fourth part
can be a film if you want toend it on a fourth like, the
fourth part being a film afterthree special presentations.
But these like three thingsthat the biggest pieces of them

(01:08:33):
is their character studies.
I want threeback-to-back-to-back character
studies and the fourth one belike why all these need to be
important to each other and whythese are the three leaders of
the justice league for alldifferent reasons.
And you know I want to gothrough all the trials and
tribulations of the justice bookof, like you know, superman
gets sent shazam to take care ofhim and then you know, one of

(01:08:55):
the best parts of that book isCheetah infects Wonder Woman
with the centaur blood and she'slike Wonder Woman's like I'm
actually dying this time I don'treally like it, but I'm not
going out without swinging.
It's the systematic unfoldingof the Justice League, is what
Justice kind of takes on.
So it's a really good book andI really kind of want to see
that.

(01:09:15):
I want to see a lex luther kindof be the main villain of this
entire thing of, or the entire,just like joker.
You know, joker, lex luther,cheetah like, and then you get
into the green lantern stufflike green lantern literally
gets thrown on the other side ofspace with like no direction of
his ring where he needs to goand he needs to get back onto
the other side of the universe.
Like Shazam being infected andworking for Lex Luthor, like I

(01:09:38):
want all of the oh sorry, that'sin, that's in, that's my
mistake, that's in, that's inKingdom Come, right, no, no, no,
that's in Justice.
That's not in Justice, that'sin the book Justice by Jim
Kruger and Alex Ross.
So I was, but I just I reallywanted, I was going to do a
three-parter, but I thought theyshould culminate in something
and I think justice is the bestway to culminate the three of

(01:09:59):
those, three of those pieces.
But, like I said, I want threecharacter studies on why all
their ideologies on the way thatthey deal with their cities or
deal with the world is all threedifferent but still it's like
different but the same.
They still want the same thingsout of each other.
So I feel like that would be areally good approach to do, to
kind of do it's like the alexross, like triumphant, like here

(01:10:21):
, like this is what you'veworked all your life for is to
you know, have your name on allthese projects.
So, um, for my composer, thefeel I want a classical feel to
this, and not only in the wayand my cinematographer is also
going to make sense for this aswell too I wanted this classical
feel to it.
So I said Michael Giacchinowould be my composer, and then I

(01:10:42):
said Emmanuel Lubezki, who didmovies like La La Land.
I want a bit of like a olderfeel to it.
Like I want an older, moremature feel to it and I think
the two of them combined with mydirector, who would be James
Gray and I specifically tookthat from ad Astra, cause I'd
love the way you shot ad Astra,but it's the approach of like

(01:11:05):
it's that narration and it's sopersonal, like you're talking
about this entire large scaleconspiracy that's going on with
the earth, but it's encapsulatedin like a father and son story,
like I want that approach forall these three characters of
like whatever's going on andthat's the long form weaving
that Craig Mason would get afteras well too.
So that would be my approach.
Like this four part mini series, like I said, maybe three
special presentations that leadinto a justice league.

(01:11:27):
I love it.
But, yeah, like a little bitmature, a little bit more
classical feeling, but I reallywant this to be a celebration of
the DC Trinity.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think that's a great idea and I think it's
something that's kind of been alittle disjointed at various
points of what DC is doingcurrently, Like it feels like
they can't quite hit all threeof them at the same time and
it's funny because Marvel didthat and it all culminated in
them walking up to Thanos inEndgame.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Like the three of them together, like you felt
each, every single individual ofthose three like why they are
there at that moment in spaceand time.
So I want that same approach,but I want it to kind of be,
like I said, the celebration ofthe DC Trinity, of like why all
their ideologies work, for whatthey're trying to do on Earth.
And, like you know, obviouslyBatman's is different, like

(01:12:17):
Batman's is a really emotionalone, like superman's is like
this you know forward thinking.
And then you know all thesepieces like I want all those
three pieces to culminate into,like this justice league movie
of like, like I said, like theinjustice is, like league is
literally systematically takingout all the justice league and
like they look to those three oflike what do we do?
Like you guys are our leaders,what do we do?

(01:12:39):
Like I really want to, reallywant to book, or sorry, I really
want to like a live actionversion of like this is the
celebration of not only that butDC Comics as a whole yeah, I
really like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I think that's really cool.
I think your idea of likemaking it, I think, yeah, I
think the idea of making it likekind of like a miniseries is
actually really inspired Because, like you said, it kind of
gives each story a purpose andthen you culminate it in this
other and I was really trying tothink of what book I wanted
this to culminate in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Like I could have went different directions, Like
I could have taken a JusticeLeague title I could have taken,
could have taken a justiceleague title I could have taken,
like you know, a justice leagueversus dark side title I could
have taken, but like I think Iwanted to stick with alex ross
and sure I can't use somethingalex ross related.
Yet it's coming, oh, but I likeI said justice by jim kruger, I

(01:13:31):
think is like it's very likeit's like the top gun, maverick
way of thinking.
It's simple.
Like it's like the book isliterally the justice league
versus the injustice league.
That's all that book is, butit's the way they approach it.
I think that would be and, likeI said, like it is the
celebration piece, like that oflike it's all the best heroes
versus all the best villains andlike let's get it on.

(01:13:52):
Like this is this, is it?
Like I do want that big splashpage, but like I also want it to
be handled as like this, likeremembrance piece of like you
know why these characters arewho they are, and like why the
three of them are so importantto like of all these
all-powerful heroes Like, whyare these three the ones that
are, like, tasked with being theleaders of this entire thing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah, I think that's really great.
I love the focus on theideology part of it too, about
what brings them together, butalso what makes them different.
I think it's really reallysmart.
Yep, I love that Movie time,movie time, movie time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
All right, this one I gave quite a bit of thought to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Me too one.
I gave quite a bit of thoughtto me too.
Um, so I thought back, thoughtlong and hard about this and I'm
just thinking to myself selfwhat just great.
You know, I love a good storyabout just a tortured soul doing
.
Doing a revenge mission isbasically not a revenge mission
per se, but, like I'm thinking,because, you know, one of the

(01:14:56):
things we didn't really talkabout up top was was that Jon
Bernthal is doing a Punishershort special presentation thing
.
So I'm thinking like what, whatDC version of like a Punisher
story could I do?
And I landed on the Red Hood,right, wow, ok.
So I'm jumping right into RedHood because I don't quite know

(01:15:17):
what.
I didn didn't want to jumpthrough the logistics of well,
what Batman is this Red Hooddoing?
I don't care, I'm not reallypressed about the Batman thing.
I'm more pressed about thestory about this kid, young man
who was left for dead andre-arose as just you know, this

(01:15:40):
maniac.
So, as far as directing goes,I'm pulling, I'm pulling the old
man out of retirement orsemi-retirement.
I'm calling up John Woo, okay,and I'm like give me your kind
of Hong Kong flair to this RedHood movie.
And you're like well.
John Woo doesn't really knowanything about superheroes.

(01:16:02):
Well, he does.
He is the co-creator of SevenBrothers, published by Virgin
Comics.
He's a comics guy, but to helphim out with the writing, I
would employ someone who bothknows action very well and is
familiar with the confines of acomic cinematic universe, and
Shane Black would write it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yo, what's this guy on?
To Wait?
This was me literally sittingforward in the chair.
I was like wait a second, I'min Hold on.
So, Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Black writing John Woo directing this just kind of
crime, woo directing this crimerevenge story of the Red Hood
going after.
Take your pick of criminal.
Obviously it's Black Mask.
Obviously we're going to takeEwan McGregor and we're going to
tone him down a smidge and makehim a little more formidable.

(01:16:57):
Okay, as a black mask.
Um, and as for whom?
I read hood.
I thought a lot about this andI'm like do I want, how young do
I want him to be?
Do I want him to be like?
You know?
I thought like dacre montgomery, but I'm like maybe he's a
little too old.
So I landed on, you know, myblue beetle thing really got me

(01:17:19):
thinking about Cobra Kai, andTanner Buchanan is who came to
mind to play a kind of not quiteyoung kid, jason Todd, but a
post, being beaten to death andcoming back as, like this darker

(01:17:40):
, grittier, angrier person.
And Tanner Buchanan as mychoice for Red Hood.
And we just go like it's likeJohn Wick meets Lethal Weapon,
in a way.
And we just create this again.
We kind of like do DC's.
This is what essentially wouldbe like DC's version of the
Punisher, where you sit down,you watch this movie for maybe

(01:18:04):
not even two hours and you justleave the theater thinking, damn
, that guy is cool.
Is he cool?
Yeah, hell, yeah, he's cool.
He's Red Hood yo.
And you draw that line at thevery end of the movie.
He's not a hero and he justprobably just executes Black
Mask at the end of it, and thenmaybe we can figure out the
batman stuff afterwards okay I'mlike should they do it how

(01:18:27):
they're doing the ballerino,where, like he's just in the
movie, like don't mince it, likejust put him in the movie yeah,
and then like maybe that's thebig reveal, like he executes
black mask, and then you getlike a post-credit scene of like
the batman showing up at likethe crime scene and like you see
, like one of those he's gotlike a red hood version of
batarangs I don't know whatthey're called, but like maybe

(01:18:47):
he like left one behind andbatman just picks it up and like
puts it up in the light andyou're like oh, oh, like now
batman's gotta.
And then, like you couldliterally do like the next movie
, like because like that wouldbe the thing, like I would start
.
You start the movie like coldopen of the movie and like you
don't see anything, like youjust hear jason todd being

(01:19:09):
beaten to death and like thefirst and it's very
uncomfortable, they would neverdo that like the first, like
five minutes of the movie of isjust him being beaten to death
and you're like, oh god, likethis is terrible.
You hear like a you do maybebecause like I still think mark
hamill has like the best jokerlaugh, sure.
So you do like a stock, stockaudio of like mark hamill laugh

(01:19:31):
laughing as like jason todd'slike being beaten to death.
And then, like we do, likebecause the john woo movie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
So I think it's like a gun food type, you know,
almost like a you know kind ofnot cheesy action movie, but
like it's a John Woo movie so Ithink it's like a gun-fu type,
you know almost like a you knowkind of not cheesy action movie,
but like it's like thishardcore action movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's like maybe we do like a little Jason Todd
voiceover of like what happenedto him and then you just see,
you know, you just see Red Hoodproperly, like you don't see any
of the beating stuff happening,and then the first thing you
see is like the mask of like theRed Hood, and then you're like,
oh, here we go, and like he'snot, because like that's the

(01:20:06):
whole thing, like you wouldthink, like his revenge would
want to be on Joker, but likethat's never been that dynamic.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Historically.
Like sure, red Hood is themeans to an end for Joker.
Like he doesn't really careabout Jason Todd in that way.
Like he beat Jason Todd todeath just to get to Batman.
So like they don't really have.
Like they have beef, but it'slike one-sided beef.
You know, and then, like youjust chronicle Red Hood like

(01:20:35):
going after Black Mask, and hejust just he keeps slipping
through his fingers and then hefinally, he finally gets him.
And you're like what's he gonnado, like is he gonna kill him?

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
and then he does I'm like, yeah, I would like that, I
would like that too.
And then again, you made a goodpoint about like, just make
them cool, just make them cool,just make a cool movie and you
know the approach you're takingas well too of like you know,
just punish your approach.
Like you said, you thoughtabout this special special
presentation and like, why nottranslate that into a
feature-length too?
Of like you know, just punishyour approach.
Like you said, you thoughtabout this special presentation
and like, why not translate thatinto a feature length film?

(01:21:05):
Of like this character in theBatman mythos that really needs
some help in live action.
I think that would be reallycool.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
So and what you do to like emotionally ground the
movie is you have him in thesequieter moments with the mask
off and like maybe there'sflashbacks to like and again,
like you don't show Batmanreally like and that's kind of
the point, like artistically,like Jason Todd always felt
secondary to, like Dick Graysonand you know, you you kind of

(01:21:35):
play with that in the visualstorytelling where, like, you
never properly see Batman in anyof these flashbacks because,
like that's how Jason Toddviewed his relationship with
Batman as like this distantthing that eventually blossomed
not even blossomed blossoms thewrong way Like it eventually
culminated in him being taken bythe Joker and beaten to death.

(01:21:56):
Um, and I mean, if, honestly, ifyou wanted to not do the
supernatural aspect of hisresurrection, you can literally
just make it that Joker beat himto literally a millimeter of
his life and he survived.
You know what I mean, Right,and you just do it that way.
If you want to take out thesupernatural elements of the

(01:22:17):
resurrection of Jason Todd, youjust have it.
So Joker beat him to anunrecognizable degree and then
just left him or like dumped himin front of Wayne Manor or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And like left him in the, you know, maybe not Wayne
Manor, Cause that wouldn't no,no, no, it wouldn't allow him to
be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Just leave them, you, just leave them out.
And then he just leaves, takenin by somebody, nursed back to
health, and Batman just can'ttrack him down for whatever
reason, and then he just appearsback.
Yeah, as the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Red Hood Right and he , just like I said, just goes.
I thought about who I and BlackMask felt like the most
disposable.
I wouldn't have him go upagainst the Penguin Sure or
anything like that, and Iwouldn't want him to go up
against any of the super-poweredbat criminals like Bane or Mr
Freeze or anything like that.
It would have to just be amobster that has very little

(01:23:08):
redeeming quality.
If he was executed at the endof the movie, he'd be like he
deserved it.
Maybe you have Jason reconcile.
Is he going to torture BlackMask the way the Joker tortured
him?
Sure, and then he just kind ofgives him a bullet to the head
and just puts him down.
Yeah, big gasp, big gasp in therain.

(01:23:31):
It's raining for some reason,but I think the legendary John
Woo would be my dream directorfor a movie like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Okay, yeah, I'm in.
I had to take a deep breathbefore I talked about mine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah, let's hear it, I had to take a big old deep
breath.
Let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
So this would be like as if they did Crisis on
Infinite Earths or Final Crisis,and then this is like the
post-mortem.
This is the last one movie, ifthis makes sense.
Obviously, I'm doing KingdomCome as my film.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
I was waiting for this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
To do Kingdom Come it .
Only this garners the mostgrandiose approach that you were
going to take.
I feel like this story is sospecial that you need to
approach it like that.
So here is my pitch meeting.
This is the one that Iobviously personally the Mr
Miracle one and like cynical notcynical like you know me up

(01:24:35):
himself is like that's the one Ican make one day, mr Miracle,
if I work hard enough.
If I work hard enough, mr ShopOwner man, I can own this shop
one day.
That's how I think about it.
This Kingdom Come one, I feellike, would be one of the
coolest ones.
You want to talk about homageand payback and what these
characters mean.

(01:24:55):
This would be one of thecoolest ones you can approach.
This is my approach.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
I'm very excited to hear about this.
I also thought a lot about thisone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Here's my actors.
I'll start with my actors.
Josh Brolin would play theolder version of Bruce Wayne in
this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Interesting, so you're not legacy casting this.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
This is why I find this funny.
Your whole approach was likethese are the projects I think
would be cool.
Mine was like I need to fitthis into the dcu, yeah, and let
me work around fitting.
So, just really quick, on my um, on my special presentation, it
would be david corn's, whatwould be superman like.
Yeah, yeah, um, adriana jorna,I want her to play wonder woman.
She would be wonder woman.

(01:25:38):
And then I'm not fighting thetidal wave that feels like it's
coming for Brandon Slater toplay Batman.
It feels like he's the onethat's being teed up to the
point where he was in thatinterview like oddly suspicious
a few weeks ago.
Whatever premiere he was at, hewas oddly specific, suspicious
about getting asked about Batman.
Like he was like to the pointit's like when you know you have

(01:26:06):
the job and like you don't wantto say it, but like that's how
it felt for him.
I don't know why I might havewrote it right into that a
little too much, but instead ofusing brandon sklaner because
wonder woman and superman don'treally age the same way, but
batman does, I think josh brolinas like and you know the way
that that suit, that batman isin kingdom come like he's over
it, like I'm over it.
Like I got my city on autopilotat this point.
Like I'm I'm sick of this man,like I'm sick and tired of this

(01:26:28):
and you're gonna make me comeout of retirement for this.
This is, this is an absolutejoke and I hate you all.
Like I feel like brolinencapsulates that the best out
of anybody.
So I want brolin to be thisolder batman, the mech Send the
physicality for it.
Yes, that's my piece.
He has the past primephysicality for it.
He's in the mech suit, hegrunts when he has the move.

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He's just old and gray andangry.
I like this.
Obviously, you keep AdrienneAdjorna as Wonder Woman the same
Wonder Woman because she won'tage, so it's just her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Kyle Chandler.
You keep him as green lantern.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Keep kyle chandler's green lantern.
Same thing, yep.
Um, you maybe got to throw someextra gray on top of the gray,
but you keep kyle chandler asthe older green lantern.
Let him, let him survive.
Um, obviously, david corn sweatleads this.
He plays superman, this olderversion of superman, which I
think he would be absolutelyincredible at this.
Now I had a approach where Iwasn't thinking about fitting
this into the dcu.
Tyler hecklund would haveplayed my older superman and

(01:27:28):
within a heartbeat, yeah, um,yeah.
And I also was gonna get Iforget her name that was in that
wonder woman pilot that wasalso an agent of shield that was
supposed to get our mockingbird.
Oh, yeah, I was gonna make herwonder woman just to pay homage
to the fact that she could havebeen wonder woman.
That would have been fun.
Uh, and then you know, god resthis soul.
If he was still alive I wouldhave used um, what's his name?

(01:27:49):
To play batman again, to playkingdom combat.
Oh, I would have used kevinconroy to play kingdom combat
man again.
Oh, man, yeah, that would havebeen great.
Um, here's the most importantcasting in here.
In my, in my humble opinion,this is the most important
casting in here.
Yeah, I feel like obviously youneed to have, uh, norman mckay.
Um, he's the narrator of thisthing, he's the pov character.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah, it's brian cranston by the way, go back and
listen to our episode where wetalked about kingdom come.
Yes, incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
So, yeah, this is the follow-up to this.
Actually I realized.
In live action b, brianCranston plays Norman McKay.
Yes, this religious man who isseeing you, know the world he
knows and is questioning hisreligion and is thinking about
that kingdom.
Come Like.
You know why I picked BrianCranston?
Because of Godzilla and the waythat he was moving in.

(01:28:37):
Godzilla, I feel, is theperfect approach.
You just add the religiousaspect onto it, of like and it's
the same approach.
It's like you're seeing theseTitans rip the world apart and
like you need to save your peaceand like you need a bit of the
old guard to come in and, likeyou know, set them right.
And which goes into my lastcasting and probably one of the

(01:28:58):
more important ones is who playsMagog.
That which goes into my lastcasting and probably one of the
more important ones is who playsmagog.
That's probably one of the moreimportant pieces to it and
that'd be austin butler.
I think he has the physicalityfor it and he also has those
like he has.
He has the presence to be thefront facing.
I'm the hero of this situation,I'm saving everything.
But like he can also flip it tobe like I don't give a dang

(01:29:19):
about any of these people outhere.
Do you think I care about anyof these people?
You people, no, Like I want youguys.
If you die in the service of mebeing the world's greatest hero
, that's fine with me.
Like I think it would be areally cool approach.
It's one of those things oflike the same thing I feel about
the Superman movie itself.
Of like it's you know, quote,unquote the world the movie

(01:29:41):
needs right now like kingdomcome, it's the same thing like.
I feel like this movie can bereally well done.
And that brings me into mypersonnel.
I think jonathan nolan writingthis makes the most sense.
He's worked on these bigger Iideology movies like
interstellar, yeah, um,obviously he worked with his
brother on these films of like.
I think he understands what thelarger scale approach of a

(01:30:01):
story like this would entail.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
And he would do it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
And he would.
And that's my, that's what Iwas trying to think of.
Like who would do these things?
Like I feel like if I toldMaison, you get to have this
like classic approach to theseheroes, but like you can take
your own spin, but this needs tolike in the best possible, he
would do it like, uh, once we doour wild card one, like
somebody that would do it.
But nolan, I think, would bejonathan.

(01:30:24):
Nolan, I think, would be thebest writer for this.
Um, the cinematographer, Iwould get hoita van hoitama.
Like I feel like again thislarger scale, feel like this
larger than life feel with thislike added layer of realism on
top of that, I feel like that'ssuper important.
Um, my composer, obviouslywould be han zimmer, which
brings me into my last point ofwho would direct this.

(01:30:45):
It's denis villeneuve, that's.
Who is that?
That's absolutely well, hemight do it and that's the thing
I feel like if you were to handhim every dc comic, this would
be the one that he would takeand be like I can do something
with this like I can like I get.
That was my denisville new onethat was pretty good.
I thought he was in the room,yeah like I feel like he would
be like no, I can actually makesomething of this and like I can

(01:31:06):
actually build a team of thisbut to me it's unfilmable the
kingdom come is kind ofunfilmable.
That is a decently unfilmablefilm until see.
That's why I kind of wanted toput g Frazier on here, but
obviously he's busy doing GregFrazier stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
So, but I think Hoyt's kind of like I said and
I'm saying this as if GregFrazier didn't do Dune but
there's like this like layerthat I need on top of it that I
think Hoyt can do.
So, like I said, that's mypersonnel Like, like I said,
like my favorite castings out ofthat was Josh Brolin as the
older Batman.
I like that a lot.
Old man Batman, that's just I'mover it, man.

(01:31:44):
I'm so sick and tired of yousuper-powered beings.
You guys have ruined everythingand I hate you.
The Bryan Cranston one I'mreally proud of is Norman McKay.
I feel like he would be areally good conduit character
and like a POV character foreverybody as well too, something
that's familiar to likeeverybody on Earth.
Like Bryan Cranston would begood for that.

(01:32:05):
And Austin Butler to kind of goagainst them as Magog.
It not only gets him againstthe whole universe, it gets him
against David Cornswet, which Ithink is a very good actor duo
that can kind of butt heads witheach other too.
I love that.
So thy kingdom come of, buttheads with each other too.
I love that.
So thy kingdom come.

(01:32:25):
I think that would be like it'dbe the last like this is the
last dcu movie like this, is itlike guns giving the keys to a
person that's probably not evenborn yet and like do whatever
you got to do, but we're doing.
Kingdom come is like the last,like you know, and maybe what
you can do is you take the, youtake the special presentation
and you lead it into KingdomCome.
Like this is like this is yourramp.
But, like I said, kingdom Comeis like just like play the hits

(01:32:47):
man, play the freaking hits.
Like play the hits of why it'sthe why of why we're doing all
this and like why thesecharacters are so important.
So give me a wild card.
What was the one?
That you can do whatever youwant me a wild card.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
What was the one that ?
Um, you can do whatever youwant.
Um, I just again, I'm kind ofcircling, I'm doing, I'm doing a
symmetry and I'm bringing itall the way back to my original,
my first pitch of this episode,and I'm just doing a flash
rebirth thing crap.
Guess what I also did flashrebirth is just does you just
have grant gustin in it?
Cause mine does.
Yeah, it does.
All right, cool, let's talkabout it then yeah, let's, let's
get into it.
That's great, I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
So we had the same idea, um, and you said, I mean
you literally said anyone can doit, and I feel like think about
James Gunn doing one of thesemovies.
Why didn't I think about that?
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Um, and we just get, yeah, we just again.
This is another thing where wecan just play the hits, Cause
that's literally what FlashRebirth.
Flash Rebirth plays the hits,um, and that's.
I mean, you know that's.
We can just kind of like justtalk about what we would want to
see from that, because we bothhave the same idea, which is
awesome, also something that Ithink could happen in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
I told you what I think the approach should be.
He's building the JusticeLeague Unlimited lineup.
Yeah, wally West is probablygoing to be the DCU Flash, which
leaves room for Grant Gustin tocome back, and it makes sense
and nobody questioned anything.
He doesn't need to be the Arrowversus Flash.
He can be that universe's Flash.

(01:34:29):
That's what the multiverse isthere for.
I think this could happen inreal life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
I like it.
What was your kind of conceitbehind that?

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Okay.
So what I really wanted to dowas the same thing Flash rebirth
.
Just because I didn't get himas Johnny storm, I wanted Rudy
Pankow to play from outer banks,to play Wally West.
Okay, so, like this super, likeyou know, happy go lucky Wally
West, that gets humbled a littlebit too.
And like I wanted it to be,this piece where, like Anthony
star is the reverse, flash comesback and it's just like I, if I

(01:35:00):
can't have barry allen, I'mgoing to systematically ruin
your life.
I'm going to ruin every aspectof your life I will kill
everybody you love, like I.
If I can't have, if I can't havebarry allen, I'm gonna get the.
I'm gonna get the one paradingaround as him.
So I wanted a little bit ofapproach like that matt
shackman's gonna write this forme.
Who's gonna those gonna pullhim from marvel and get him to

(01:35:21):
write this?

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
for me marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
I think he can really hit the family aspect of this
thing as well too.
Um, and the close knit weavethat that takes um the director,
one, I think, was the most thiswas probably the most difficult
one to think about.
Um, it's gonna be joe kaczynskiof the way he handles action
and speed action obviously fromtop gun, maverick and f1.
I think joe kaczynski of theway he handles action and speed
action obviously from top gun,maverick and f1.

(01:35:43):
I think joe kaczynski and tronlegacy on top of that too, like
I think he's the one that Ithink his approach is.
The is is perfect for a flashmovie.
I feel like he can encapsulatea flash movie um trent renzer
and atticus ross.
I want this like.
Obviously I'm high offchallenger still, but I want
this like.
I want this.
Like obviously I'm high offChallenger still, but I want

(01:36:04):
this like.
I want this like semi, like nottechno, but I like, want this
like, like, almost like beaded,like this, almost like beaded
score to it, like a score thatmoves the way the flash would
move, so like that was one I wasthinking a lot about.
I was like, I was like it'sfunny, all these projects have
one person in it.
It's just like you need to workfor this whole thing to work.
I don't know why Trent Renzerand Atticus Ross are the ones

(01:36:26):
that need to work for this thingto work.
Yeah, so, so, yeah, that's whatI was thinking about for that
one.
I feel like it would be a funlittle, you know, be like a fun
little, like weird sciencey,like you know.
Like I said, like I want it tobe personal, I want the story to
be personal, but I want to, Iwant to encapsulate, you know,

(01:36:48):
the feel of the flash in heretoo, like that's something that
this tv show I don't care whatyou say about the tv show, they
get it like, they understand it.
I don't care what you say thatflash tv show understands barry
allen.
So I also want a big piece ofthis project.
It's it's wally west.
I need to know why wally westis so important to this whole
thing and why he also is theflash.
Yeah, what was your approach tothis?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
I mean, you kind of, but go into it no, I mean, it
was a similar approach to whatto what yours was just kind of
again.
I think it mine would serve aslike a celebration of of the
character and and the actor,because I I think he got kind of
again.
I think mine would serve aslike a celebration of the
character and the actor becauseI think he got kind of shafted
at the end of his whole run,especially leading into the

(01:37:33):
Flash film, where it felt ripefor him to appear and he just
didn't for some reason.
You know, um, and I just feellike it feels like he has like a
he, it feels like he does havesome type of relationship with
james gunn sure, I don't knowwhat it is, but I feel like

(01:37:56):
there is one there.
So I just would bring him backand just give him like a
celebration, like, and it itserves as this like very like
meta commentary of like himreturning and you're like, oh
yeah, like he's back.
You know, um, I also thought ofAnthony star as the reverse
flash, to be perfectly honest.
I know I use them already, but Imean it's just.

(01:38:16):
I mean I could either do thator I do the what's his name from
Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Oh, jaime Lannister.
Yeah, and I just let him do it.
He was in the.
That was the point of him beingin the Flash, if I'm not
mistaken.
Yeah, that was the point.
It was like the reverse Flashwas there the entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
And again, I just don't know what happened.
One of those guys, guys, I justdon't know what happened to his
.
Where did his career go?
And I would bring him back tothe proper Jamie
Lannister-looking face, likeclean-shaven, big blonde hair,
and you just make him thereverse Flash in this movie and
you just again just one finalrun where they just kind of go

(01:38:57):
at each other.
And that was kind of my ideafor for it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I love it um, all right, so my wild card I'll do,
I'll give you, I'll give you onemore yeah, we did the same one,
yeah, go ahead, we'll get onemore, um.
So I'm kind of thinking of jackkirby, because I like said on
here, james gunn weirdly had thesame, did the same thing Jack

(01:39:23):
Kirby did, because Jack Kirbywas with Marvel and he was just
like blank, you, blank everybody, which James Gunn didn't do.
He's definitely on good terms,but like they both left Marvel
to go be the leaders of likethey were, like you know, two
guys on both sides, like atMarvel, that were like prominent
to the point where DC picksboth of them up and essentially
turns them into theeditors-in-chief.

(01:39:44):
So I wanted to do a fourthworld.
Shout out Ava DuVernay, giveher, and what I was going to do,
I'm battling myself.
So I have two approaches fordirector.
I'll spoil one.
One is let Ava DuVernayactually do it and, especially
after Origin, I feel like shecan do something, like she could

(01:40:04):
always do something like that.
Ava duvernay is one of the bestdirectors in the world, um, but
I feel like, especially afterorigin, the approach would be
even, um, even stronger, um.
So, like I said, you do thefourth world, you do the new
gods.
Dylan o'brien comes back, youget keith dav, you get Keith
David to voice Darkseid.
At least I feel like his voicewould be so booming as Darkseid

(01:40:25):
it would be.
I love that Absolutelyprominent.
Obviously, you bring back BigBarda, bring back Elizabeth
Debicki, a character to play oran actor to play.
Orion is kind of what I wasbattling with as well, too.
I was really trying to find theright person.
I didn't want cameron monaghan.
I don't know if he.
I don't know if he fits in withdylan o'brien, like that was

(01:40:46):
the one.
Obviously I think they can fittogether in something.
I just don't know if it's theright approach.
I feel like you need somebody alittle bit more like like I'm
the best son there is on planetearth, like you need somebody
that's like kind of like a jerk,yeah, um, so that's why I was
trying.
That's where I was trying toget to.
I think Jacob Elordi would getit kind of.
He would get that Like I needto be the best son there is to

(01:41:09):
do the thing.
Um, harrison Dickinson also doesthat of like the, but Harrison
Dickinson also, I think, canplay the flash.
That's why I was kind ofbattling with myself, umry
allen's the flash specifically.
But, um, but yeah, you do likethis fourth world weird, wacky,
like otherworldly, like thisabsolutely insane film that's

(01:41:34):
like and this goes to my pointabout countering my director
piece that only james gunnhimself can pull off, and I
think you just let james gunnnot only direct this, but you
let james gunn write this thingand like this is like I am jack,
that's this, I'm jack kirbymoment, which would be awesome.
So, um, this is the one youmight need greg frazier to do,
this one you might need him toget be the creative one.

(01:41:57):
We finally got him in yeah, youmight need greg frazier to do
this one, because this is toobig, this is too large scale,
like that.
He, he, he's needed for this,he's needed.
So yeah, um, so yeah, um, likeI said, you get keith david to
voice voice dark side, whichalso that's incredible casting.
I love that also means keithdavid would voice dark side and
and my mr miracle show like thiswould be like the mr miracle,

(01:42:18):
like he's already voiced famedDC character, mr Bone.
No, don't, no, but yeah, I thinkthis would be like I said this,
absolutely like out of leftfield, absolutely crazy.
I had a third pick to do the Tobe the directors of this thing.
It'd be the Daniels would bethe third pick to do so, like, I

(01:42:42):
feel like only they could beable to do something like this.
That would also be great.
I'm kind of three-way tying it.
You know what I'll do.
I'm going to stick with theDaniels because I think the
scale of this movie, regardlessof budgets, because that's what
the Daniels are so good at theywould just figure it out and be
incredible at it.
Just figure it out and beincredible at it.
So I think the Daniels would bethe perfect approach for this.

(01:43:03):
I'll just keep the same son Luxto be the composer of this
thing, just to stay consistent.
And then, like I said, I thinkGreg Frazier takes a creative
leap into the weird realm ifthat makes sense and goes along
with them to try to pull off thescale of this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah, that's awesome, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Do the fourth world cowards?

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Yeah, we were close.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Do the fourth world.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Yeah, we were close.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
We were close.
That movie was like done, notdone, but shoot, it was getting
there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Yeah, it's a shame that one never got off the floor
.
Nice, I love that Again, I loveour dynamic of me doing like
the Remember.
Yeah, I love our dynamic of medoing like the street-level
stuff and you doing like thebombastic, like Gobbly, gobbly,

(01:43:59):
yeah, yeah.
Biggest swings there couldpossibly take.
Yeah, I just love that again,like the second time we've done
this and that's been consistentthrough line, which I think is
really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
I'd love to see our Star Wars one then, because
that's the one we gotta getreally creative on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
I think that would be fun because obviously we have
less to work with.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
It's less to work with.
So the creativity and thepersonnel in Hollywood is going
to get.
The list is going to comebigger.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Exactly.
That's awesome.
I love that Cool.
I guess that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
I guess we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Yep, we're going to.
We're going to go watchDaredevil now.
Yes, Episode three, which wedon't know anything about.
No stills, no trailers no,nothing so it's kind of like.
This is like, it's almost likethis is the first episode in a
weird way because I felt like wekind of knew a lot of the stuff

(01:44:56):
we saw in the first twoepisodes, we saw in the trailers
.
So this is kind of like newterritory, which is awesome.
I'm staying off of twitter, soyes me too.
Um, so that's gonna do it for usthis week.
You can follow us on on twitterat project inf underscore pod.
You can follow us on facebook.
You can follow us on tiktok andyoutube at the project infinite
podcast.
You can follow us on instagramat the project infinite pod.

(01:45:17):
Next pod Next week?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
We don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Maybe, maybe, like again, this Daredevil show could
just devolve into Last of Usterritory, where we just talk
about Daredevil every week.
Not that I would be mad at that, or I mean we can do Daredevil
or we can talk about Spider-Manand do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Yes, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, we could do that for sure.
We could talk about Invinciblenext week.
Yes, there's a lot of stuff, wegot stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Maybe it's an animation realm next week.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Maybe that's kind of where we Because Invincible
should be done this week.
Right, friendly Neighborhood,spider-man is already done.
So, yeah, maybe we focus onsome of our animated shows next
week and probably just a littlelike we kind of did this week,
just kind of a little daredevil,kind of like what'd you think
of this episode?
So we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
You know who's going to play Orion, and I think he
has the look and the feel for it.
It is going to be Javon Adepo.
That was just caught intheyssey little.
I think it plays to like he'sactually dark side son as well
too.
So I think it plays on that alittle bit as well too, and I
think he carries like that hey,I'm, I'm orion.
Like do the right thing, likeshut up man nobody cares I don't

(01:46:35):
know why I threw that out there.
I was really trying to searchfor it.
I was thinking about desmondidris to do it, like I said,
just like a guy that's sopompous, like, oh Ryan, shut up,
man, we don't care, and Iwanted to play like that.
We're done with the pitchmeeting.
Yeah, this is me kicking backopen the door.
Wait.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
James.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
I have one more thing .
Wait, one more thing, one morething.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Cool, All From the Careful man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
No no, no From the Am I just James Gunn Did it say
James Gunn or Jack Kirby, bothgood options?
Yeah, I hope they both didn'tdo bad things.
Not that we know of Jack Kirbygood guy.
I hope so.
He was yeah for everything thatwe know about him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
He loves Marvel.
He was like I'm done man.
He did a lot of he did a lot ofcool stuff.
Yeah, he said no, I'm gonna domy own thing.
Yeah.
He did do his own thing Goodfor him.
Um, all right, guys, that's itnext week.
Like I said, probablyinvincible little, invincible
little Spider-Man Um.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
I think Invincibles biggest worry is they need to
stick that landing Like theyhave to stick that landing to a
point of like you have to paythe penance of what you did in
season two, Like this is howimportant season three is to
that show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Yeah, and Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Man, what a surprise.
What else they?

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
did it again.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
They did it again and it's like I'm not even like the
character of Spider-Man is likethe character, Like I don't
want.
I want to talk about LonnieLincoln, Like that's the
character I want to talk aboutreally badly, Like what an
absolute, incredible way to seta villain on an arc.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Well, that's what I'm talking about.
I was talking about the SecretWars stuff, like when they remix
10, the remixing of the lore.
When they do, it always seemsto go pretty well.
And this I mean this whole show, was a remixing of a lot of
lore.
In a lot of different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
And I think they did a really really.
It was a really really fun showand they did a really nice job,
right.
So we'll talk about that nextweek.
Until then, we're going toenjoy some Daredevil Born Again,
episode 3.
We will see you next week.
Goodbye.

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