151 - Recapping Daredevil Born Again, The Last of Us, and Marvel's Fantastic Future - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with Courtand Court.
It's one of our mostanticipated episodes of the year
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
It really is, or ever ?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
probably yes, it is, Since we started this podcast.
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Daredevil Born Again.
Season 1 is in the books and weare going to talk about it.
Yep, this podcast has beenpredicated on Andrew.
Garfield Oppenheimer.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, oppenheimer Casting.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oppenheimer, casting and Daredevil.
These have been the threepillars of this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, this was obviously one of the most
anticipated projects that Marvelhas ever done.
Obviously came plagued withnumerous writing and scripting
and directing and everythingissues and you know what?
Like it's kind of a miraclethat we ended up getting what we
got with these nine episodes,so we'll definitely talk about

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that.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Imagine if it was 18 episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
We'll definitely talk about, like, all the backstory
and stuff, and then we'll talkabout season one in full, um,
just kind of our thoughts on theperformances, on the storylines
, um all that stuff.
And we're also going to talkabout the last of us, the first
two episodes, um, cause our lastepisode, we were previewing
season two and some things wegot right, some things we got
really really wrong, um, alreadyin these first two episodes.

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So I'm really excited to talkabout that.
But first we do have some news.
First and foremost, we gotanother Fantastic Four trailer
and it was, dare I say,fantastic.
We got a much better kind oflook at everybody, not only
everybody, you get a much betterlook at the.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
This is what this movie is about.
Trailer yeah, that's what maintrailers should always do,
without giving away too much.
Yes, because I still amconfusion, I still have some
questions, I still have a lot ofthoughts on this as well too.
I mean just jumping out of thegate.
I mean we can kind of gocharacter by character.
To start out, let's kind of gotop down or's go, uh, bottom up

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instead.
Uh, because I want to.
I want to end with reed richardsinstead.
So, uh, we could start withjohnny.
I mean, joseph quinn, I thinkhe looks good.
He looks like he's having a.
I think he looks like he'shaving a ball, like this is
probably like again.
I was kicking through kirby andlee's early like the first
fantastic four comics and I'mgonna save that when I talk
about ped, Pascal's, ReedRichards and the stroke of
genius that it actually was.

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It was like you kind of madethe point like if he's available
you get him type of situation.
So I mean and I'm going to usethat point looking at Johnny as
well too, I think Johnny alsohas that.
Johnny has that like earlyFantastic Four feel to him, just
a little aged up becauseobviously he's not a teenager,
but he still has that same feel.
So I'm really looking forwardto kind of what they do with him

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.
You're looking at Ben.
That's the best casting out ofthe four of them in my opinion.
Eben Masabakrak, that is BenGrimm.
That's actually Ben Grimm.
It's insane.
One thing that I love, it'sjust he kind of plays it like I
love his actual Ben Grimm.
It's insane, um, one thing thatI love, it's just he kind of
plays it like I love his actualBen Grimm before the
transformation.
Like he's got that, like cockyedge to him.

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Like he's just like I'm thebest looking pilot, like I'm
yeah like and then like to getimmediately humbled by that.
But this version of Ben has likea.
He has like a tenderness thatthe other versions of Ben
haven't had, specifically like2015s didn't even have like an
inkling of it.
Michael Chiklis gets there andI think he does a pretty solid
job at that, if not a great job.

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But there's something aboutthis Ben that just feels like,
like you said, like theemotional core of this movie is
probably going to flow throughhim and Sue, which brings me to
Sue and Vanessa Kirby, which ismy second favorite casting and
one of my favorite castings inthe entire MCU.
I mean, she was one of theearly, like back when they were
doing fan castings, like a yearago, a year and a half ago

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whenever kind of we startedtalking and accepting who was
going to play who, like VanessaKirby was always kind of around
somebody that can play, that canplay Sue Storm, and she's just
absolutely phenomenal as it aswell, too, she seems like the
leader of this group.
I like that.
I actually appreciate that.
Reed seems like the guy behindthe screen kind of making sure

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everything's going according toplan, but she seems like the
field leader of the FantasticFour, the public face of the
Fantastic Four.
I think they alluded to thefact that she's kind of the
leader of the Future Foundation.
It's not Reed, it's her.
So she's kind of the leader ofthe future foundation, it's not
Reed, it's her.
So she's kind of like thepublic facing one for them.
And that seems what I'm actually, through this trailer, got most
excited about it's Reed.
I opened up those books, I wasreading those early comics with

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Mr Fantastic, with the FantasticFour, and just specifically
Reed.
And again I get it Like thebeginning of the first trailer
when he's like and again I getit like the beginning of the
first trailer when he's like,you know, Sunday at seven never
met, like and just to see himhere, be like.
You know, are you gonna save us?
Like.
I don't, I don't know, I don'tknow.
Let me figure it out, let me dothe science like.
This feels like told you beforewe hopped on.

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It feels like an amalgamationof Kirby and Lee's Mr Fantastic,
mixed with Wade and mixed withHickman.
It feels like an amalgamationof the three, specifically
Hickman and Lee slash Kirby.
That's what I'm really excitedfor.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I think we got kind of a good feel for how all
these characters are going to beportrayed throughout this
trailer, which I think, to yourpoint, every trailer needs.
And just to kind of echo yourpoints on a couple things, again
I kind of echo your points on acouple things, like I, again I
go, I kind of go back to thispoint on the joseph quinn
casting, in that he's been goodin everything that he's been in,

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um, so I don't know why this is.
You know, it really felt likethis trailer.
When you finally got to hearhim like speak and do a little
acting, as opposed to the firsttrailer, people were like, oh,
like joseph quinn, I'm like yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Like of course he's goingto be able to play this kind of
roguish, kind of lightheartedLike this is, this is what he
was doing in stranger things,Right, he kind of captivated

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literally everybody in seasonfour of stranger things as as
Eddie.
Like he has that roguish kindof charm about him and I'm I'm
curious and excited to see moreof that.
Right and then yeah, I mean theBen Grimm stuff I think is going
to be what a lot of people willremember from this movie, cause
also what I like, what they'redoing with Ben too, specifically

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.
Um, cause we got a lot of likekind of like hero moments, quote
unquote in this trailer wherewhere you see how revered the
Fantastic Four are and then whenyou look at it demographically
through the lens of the film,the kids seem to love the thing,
which I think is awesome.
And I think historically, atleast on film, the thing is

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always portrayed as a freak andkind of like an outcast.
So it's kind of cool to see inthis world where the Fantastic
Four are these revered heroes.
Like it feels like ben grim hasthe most support from, like the
kids.
You know what I mean like yousee that the picture, the frame
of the little girl with like the, the thing like action figure,
right like the like.
So I think that's really cooland I think they'll probably

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play that too.
Like each fantastic four, likeI don't know, don't know how
much they're going to dive intothe PR stuff, but like it feels
like each member of thefantastic four is kind of going
to have like a core demographicbehind them.
So like I think that's kind ofcool.
Um, and then I totally agreeabout the Vanessa Kirby Sue
storm stuff.
Like she comes across as, likeyou know, I kind of said it

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trailer.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
She's gonna be like if ben's the heart, like she's
gonna be the soul of the scene,right, um, johnny's like the
youthful exuberance, um, and Ithink he's probably you know
what's funny and it comes out of, comes out of hickman's
fantastic forerun.
He's probably gonna have themost nobility out of all of them
, even if he doesn't know ithimself yet yeah and then
obviously, reed is the brains,and I'm gonna say this it's for
better and for worse, just likehow marriage is for better and
for worse.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Reed is the brains of this.
He talks about it in thetrailer that he feels like he is
responsible for whatever isabout to happen.
Whether that's true or not, wedon't know, but he seems to
think it is.
Which brings us to.
We see the Silver Surfer inthis.
We see Julia Garnerarner,silver surfer.
I think it looks good.
I don't I don't know wherepeople are drawing this

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comparison that it somehow looksworse than the rise of the
silver surfer version no, it,just it looks she looks like the
silver surfer, yeah it's just,I don't, I don't know what you
wanted.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know if you wanted like like I don't know
what they wanted.
It's the silver surfer, like itwas always gonna look to look
like this.
It looks good.
I like her eyes, specificallylike the design of like not
having everything be silver shehas like it gives her a soul in
her eyes when you do that aswell too.
I think Doug Jones, lawrenceFishburne silver surfer was kind
of played as like the stoicismI think he captures, like I

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think the two of them capturedtogether like this, like you,
like this, like you know thestoic, like riding on the board
and like looking at this planetthat's about to be demolished.
But I think hers is going to bea little bit more kind of
what's the word I'm looking for?
Like present in the situation,even if she turns on Galactus,
which she probably will.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, we get a classic Human Torch, Solar
Surfer chase sequence that I'mvery excited to see.
I'm sure it's going to lookoutstanding.
And then you know, we get, ofcourse, the specter of Galactus.
We don't really.
We don't hear Ralph Ines and wedon't see Galactus proper.
We see his legs, we see himstomping about at the end of the
trailer, but we don't actuallysee Galactus.

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We see a planet presumablybeing consumed and destroyed by
Galactus.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
You think that was real?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
It could have been real, it could have been a dream
, it could have been anotherplanet, maybe the Silver Surfer
telling her story of whatGalactus' problem is.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
That looks like Earth .
It does look like.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Earth that does look like Earth.
So I mean, yeah, there's a lotAgain.
I think this trailer was great.
If this is the last trailerthat we get, I think that would
be fine.
I think that would be perfect,because it didn't really show
off anything.
It made the revelation, ofcourse, that Sue is pregnant,
which I think one kind ofgleamed based on looking a

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little closely at the firsttrailer.
Yeah, let's dip into that.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Sue's pregnancy, because obviously we're talking
with an absolutely titanouscharacter in Franklin Richards.
That's going to be probablyimportant for Secret Wars.
Now I have two points.
My point number one is that Ithink in this movie you do an
older version of him that comesback from the future and you do
the thing you can do, that youcan do the to me, my galactus,

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and you can have them kind of belike because they think of each
other as contemporaries, liketo the, even to the point, even
beyond that.
We're like franklin kind of hasgalactus as like his, like his
herald at that point, likethat's how, that's what hickman
does with him, like it doesn'tmatter about size, like Franklin
is like what does Galactus tellhim?
Like you're me and you are good, like you're going to be the

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survivor of this universe, justlike I was the survivor of my
universe.
When it's all said and done,like, obviously, my point for
the for this one listen, you cando it.
It's an alternate universe.
Do you just get hahn to babysitfranklin?
Yeah, you could.
I digress, that's a pipe dream.
It can still happen.

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It's a pipe dream.
But I do think that they'regonna get an older actor,
probably a notable actor to playan older version of franklin,
to come back because they dothat and uh, it's early on I
can't remember what issue it is,but it's early on where this
guy is like walking throughoutnew york city and like wreaking
havoc and then they find outthat it's an older version of
Franklin.
That's in New York City.
It's supposed to be like a goodmother and son story, so I kind

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of hope they pull somethinglike that off.
But I think what do you thinkGalactus is after?
I think he's after Franklin.
I think he can feel Franklin'spresence and he's probably like
hey, bud, I need that kid.
Yeah, I need that kid to remakemy universe that got destroyed.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean that could be.
I mean, the only thing thatthrows me a little bit on that
is the Silver Surfer's wholekind of speech there, which is
like your world's been markedfor death so it does feel like
Galactus is just coming toannihilate the Earth.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Or maybe that's before Galactus feels his
presence.
Maybe, maybe Galactus getsthere and he's like there's
something here that I can use.
Like you know what?
I need one or the other?
I need him to remake myuniverse, because he's the only
one that has the power to dothat.
You think what they're going todo in this universe.
You know what I was thinking.
They might make Franklin thefirst mutant of this universe.
Like they're going to throw itout that reads like he has a

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mutation inside of him.
He's the first one Yep.
Listen play the theme.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I mean I think there has to be some sort of
dialogue with Galactus.
I mean you don't cast RalphInnocent unless you're going to
speak.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh, that was the point yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So I'm just really curious to see what that looks
like, because we've never seenit on film before.
Because obviously, historicallyyou know, we've seen Galactus
in Rise of the Silver Surfer andhe was a big cloud monster that
didn't speak and Doctor Doomwas the real villain of that
movie.
Yeah, I'm looking forward toseeing how they kind of humanize

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galactus in a way I think it'sgonna be.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
They're gonna play on the like he's the last survivor
of that universe that he camefrom and that he's gonna be like
, well, my life kind of sucks.
I've been walking around placeto place and like he's gonna
feel franklin's presence andhe's gonna be like, oh shoot,
like I finally have a chance toremake my universe.
Like I think that's what hewants.
He probably wants Frank.
It's either give me Franklin orI'm destroying the earth.

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Those are your two options.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what was really getting me about this
trailer?
It's that bit where the toneflips in the trailer.
I thought that was really welldone.
But what really got to me waswhen you know the guy jumps out
and asks he said you know, arewe safe?
It's not what Reed responds,it's Ben and Johnny standing
there and they were kind of likethey knew something that

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everybody else didn't know,which I think it's no, we don't
have a plan.
Like there's no plan, like Idon't have anything to save you.
And I think the betteraccentuation for it, for it too,
is that they're the only heroesin this universe.
That makes it infinitely betterbecause there's no help.
You can't call wakanda, youcan't call tony stark, you can't

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call anybody else to kind of,you know help or collaborate.
You know who you could call forhelp robert doomy jr.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, I would imagine doom is going to show up
probably, probably at end, mostlikely, I would assume.
I mean just overall, betweenthis and everything that we're
hearing right now about theThunderbolts, I guess it is
appropriate to say that we mightbe back.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, we might be back.
I mean, do you have any otherthoughts on the trailer?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
No, I mean, I think it's like I said.
I think it just again.
It doubles down on the feelingthat this, as much as you want
to say Thunderbolts, feels likea different thing.
This really feels like adifferent thing, just from the
tone to the style, right.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I think, like in the confines of the MCU, fantastic
Four feels the most different.
I think filmmaking-wiseThunderbolts feels the most
different.
Fantastic Four feels the mostdifferent.
I think filmmaking wiseThunderbolts feels the most
different, which we can kind ofbleed into Thunderbolts for a
second, because they just didthe.
The premiere was yesterday andthen they did the advanced
screenings across the country.
I think there was like 11showings at IMAX theaters.
I tried to get a.

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I tried it was gone in like 5minutes.
I tried I was ready to go andand it was sold out.
Would not work.
Overwhelmingly positive reviewsfor Thunderbolts right out of
the gate.
Yep, they are calling FlorencePugh's performance absolutely
incredible, like one of the bestout of the entire MCU.
I've seen the word Oscar-worthythrown around.

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Yes, a few times.
I've heard Lewis Pullman's alsoincredible in this movie.
Those are the two realstandouts yep, I heard the team
dynamic is just like one of thesingle bet.
Like I've heard it was likewhat is it?
The mixture of like the like,the team dynamic, love of the
guardians of the galaxy mixedwith the heart of wandavision?
yeah um, so we've heard a lot ofgreat things.

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Um, obviously, the careful onthe internet that some spoilers
are probably going to startflying out there because you
know civilians have seen thismovie, for lack of a better term
.
Um, so the the biggest thing isapparently the one of these
post-credit scenes are likeabsolutely monumentous and like
gears you right up for doomsdayand secret wars is what people

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are saying.
So I mean, it is the last moviebefore the movie that gets you
ready for doomsday.
So it's the last in universe,like in 616 universe before
movie, before doomsday.
So that makes sense.
Um, I mean, I'm excited.
I, I was I as soon as I saw thatfirst trailer because, remember
, they announced I forget if itwas at Comic-Con or D23 last

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year or whenever it was thatthey announced it, or was it two
years ago.
They announced it and I wasjust like this can be something
Fun.
They're all super soldiers.
I understand Thaddeus Rossisn't here for some odd reason,
but who cares?
We were like alright.
And then the first trailer cameout and they were like but who
cares?
We were like alright.
And then the first trailer cameout and they were like wait a

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second, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Hold on, hold on, yeah, I mean.
Yeah, these reviews aredefinitely getting me a little
bit hyped, more hyped for thismovie.
I mean, I was already reallyanticipating it, but just
hearing the performances acrossthe board are great.
Apparently, sebastian Stan is ascene stealer every time he
shows up, which is really,really cool.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I heard about this movie being very narrative-wise
and thematic-wise.
It's a really great play onmental health, which I think is
poignant and important, which isgoing to be awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, they're going to reel this thing in and really
make it these these kind oflike in-depth, almost character
studies of these of this group,which I think is a really neat
way to go about it.
Right, all these, most of these, all of these characters have
have pretty interestingbackstories within the confines
of the MCU, um, so, yeah, I'mjust really looking forward to
it.
And then, yeah, apparently bestpost-credits scene, which I

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would imagine is probably DoctorDoom in some capacity, or
Doctor Doom arriving, or maybehe's coming out.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
If it's gonna be in this movie, maybe he's coming to
get the Sentry.
Maybe he's like yeah, I needthat, I need that guy.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I would imagine it would be Doom Central.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, yeah, or at least one of them is Doom
Central.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So I mean, yeah, I'm really looking forward to both
these movies.
And then we got a kind of wegot a fun little trailer for
Ghost of Yotei that came outtoday.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Ghost of Tsushima, one of my favorite games of all
time.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, it's coming out October 2nd of this year, which
is great.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
My birthday present.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
A little under five months from now, which is cool,
and it looks sensational.
We gleamed a little bit ofstory from this trailer.
Essentially, your protagonist,atsu, is going to be.
It's a classic, looks like it'sgoing to be a classic revenge
story.
She's the last of her family orclan and she's hunting down

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these six.
You know people six figureheads.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, she was like a clan and each of each one of
them.
Everybody's got a gimmick thesedays.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Everyone's gonna yeah which is cool because, like
ghost of tsushima, never reallyhad that in terms of proper boss
battles Everyone had a gimmick.
You get that when you learn thetechniques.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Those were kind of these hyper-stylized battles.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Ghost of Tsushima has intermittent boss battles.
Your big boss battles in thatgame are when you fight the Khan
for the first time boss battleslike your big boss battles in
that game are when you fight thecon for the first time, when
you fight um.
One of my favorite charactersactually in ghost of tsushima is
ryuzo um.
When you fight him, that's areally good one um but the.
And then obviously you fightyour uncle um.
But the other boss battles arekind of like intermittent.

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They're kind of like to be cool.
Like they're cool boss battles,yeah, like of you, like
evolving throughout the game,but like this one feels like
you're gonna have six definitiveboss battles that you're gonna
yeah, the evil exes.
You got to defeat my six evilexes um yeah, and you just kind
of got to look.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Obviously, look how gorgeous the game is.
Um, I mean, ghost of tsushimais already kind of pushing the
boundaries of what the ps4 wascapable of at the time.
Um, so this will probably dosimilar things for the ps5.
Um, the gameplay we got alittle bit.
Look at the gameplay a littlebit of the traversal um, looks
like you're gonna have a lotmore weapon variety.
Yep, um, and this one comparedto the other one, um, so you got

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a mace, a mace, there's anaginata, there's the, obviously
the dual-wielding katanas.
I know from the first trailerthere's a rifle that you're
going to get at some point.
So, yeah, because this takesplace 300-some-odd years after

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Ghost of Tsushima, so you know1600, so you're talking
gunpowder, you're talking, youknow.
So that could be really cool.
And obviously, again, theenvironment just looks stunning.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh yeah, it's just an upgrade from, and that's what
sequels should be.
They should be upgrades fromwhere they came from.
I should never look at it likea past game and be like this is
why is this technically betterthan the next game?
No, like for video games,that's 100 okay, and I'm really
excited about that.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, so I'm really really looking forward to this
in just five short months.
Star Wars, so Star WarsCelebration went down and they
probably like three big things.
You know four big things.
Maybe that came out of this.
The first we got a look at theMandalorian and Grogu, which I
still can't believe.

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This movie is happening.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know, I know, I was just thinking about it.
I said why didn't they just doa season four?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Pedro Pascal was there, Sigourney Weaver was
there.
We got a still photo, basicallyof Pedro in the Mandalorian
armor.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's got white hair now.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Presumably.
It's probably like only dayfilming where he's actually
there.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
He's a busy guy.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
He's a very busy man.
Did we get a release date forthat or no?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think we did, I think we actually did.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Let me see, let me look it up.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
We actually I can tell you right now when the
release date was, because thatshould be on May 22nd 2026.
Okay, so about a year a littleover a year away from that.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
We got a look at Jeremy Allen White's Rod of the
Hut thoughts can't wait for himto have a biblical.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
What was the description that you said?
Excuse me, he's like abodybuilder.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
MMA fighter type character, but he's a hut, yeah
alright, I don't know what thismovie is going to be me neither
Mayfighter type character yeah.
Jabba the, but he's a Hutt.
Yeah, alright, alright.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't know what this movie's gonna be Me neither
, but that terrifies me.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, it's a little scary, Especially with how the
Mandalorian Season 3 was veryinconsistent, I guess would be
the best way to say it.
But I digress.
Ahsoka Season 2 was kind ofrevealed and talked about.
It's going to be eight episodesEight episodes, though Mm-hmm.
Dave Filoni has written everysingle one of them, and Hayden

(23:31):
Christensen will be returning asAnakin Skywalker.
So I would imagine more Filonithrowing in Clone Wars stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, 100%.
It's probably either forflashback purposes or it's for
the Shadow Realm purposes, or acombination of both.
For some odd reason, I'm waymore excited to see Ezra than
anybody else.
I, truthfully, am like Ahsoka'sshow cool.
I need more Ezra, because theactor that they got to play Ezra
did a phenomenal job.
I need more of him are we stillgetting this team up movie to

(24:04):
end-up movie, to end thisAvengers movie, to end
everything for Star Wars?
I think so.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
What were the?
Shows it was going to convulgewith, I think it was going to be
Ahsoka the Mandalorian, and Iforget what the other one was.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
But yeah, I'm all foggy on my Star Wars stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean, that's what I thought this Mandalorian
film was going to be, butthey've retrofitted it into
something completely different.
So I don't know.
But always happy to see HaydenChristensen back in the Star
Wars fold.
I just love the career arc Notthe career arc, but the Star
Wars arc for him, where now he'slike the ambassador of star

(24:45):
wars now somehow, um, he evensaid that he would be open to
returning to doing like a vaderthing.
Like he said, he feels there'sa lot of we said that years ago.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Just do the vader.
Um, take on what's his name.
Uh, I know john cassidy wasdrawing and I forget.
Oh, jason aaron, jason aarondid that Vader comic.
Just do that.
Just do it, bring back.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Natalie Portman and do it.
Yeah, he said he'd be open forthat.
I think that would be great.
And then I guess the big Holdon.
We got a Maul series wasannounced, a Maul animated
series called Maul Shadowlord.
That will take place betweenthe Clone Saga and the original
trilogy and Maul will have anapprentice, like a red Twi'lek

(25:30):
apprentice, sam Witwer is goingto return as the voice of Maul
which is great, and I think he'sinvolved in this in a creative
capacity as well, which isawesome.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I think he understands that character
better than absolutely anybodyon the face of the earth.
Yeah, sam Witwer understandsStar Wars better than most
people on the face Him earth.
Yeah, same way we're understandstar wars better than most
people on the face him.
And freddie prince jrunderstand star wars to an
insane capacity yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
So I mean I think that's cool.
Maul has kind of um I guess mybest way to explain maul he's
kind of.
He's kind of like the boba fettof the original star wars
trilogy where, like cool, look,cool character just never really
got off the ground story-wise,but Clone Wars and Rebels does a

(26:09):
lot of compelling stuff withhim.
So I'm looking forward toseeing Sam Webber return as Maul
.
Maul's always going to be oneof those characters that people
are going to be excited to see,just because of his look, his
backstory, all that stuff.
I thought they were going to doa live-action show of this.
That would have been also great.
And then the big news is theRyan Gosling Sean Levy project

(26:32):
has been revealed, entitled StarWars Starfighter.
That will take place betweenthe end of the original trilogy
and the sequel trilogy.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, no, or it's after .
Yeah, it's after no it's aftereven the the sequel trilogy.
Yeah, it's after the sequeltrilogy this is the new
direction for Star Wars.
He's Han Solo.
Let's not beat around the bush.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I mean the title Starfighter just gives.
It's going to be Star Warsversion of Top Gun, essentially.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think they're trying to get some sort of Jedi
to pair with him.
To my point, we're bringingSimu Liu to be said Jedi, to be
in this movie with him, like youdo, like a Because obviously
Sean Levy's a funny guy, likehis movies, however much heart
they'll have in him, he's got acomedy base to him, which is
fine, that's fine.
And Ryan Gosling Like if youcan capture a little bit of what

(27:24):
you did in the Fall Guy withRyan Gosling, sort of like that
tone.
I'm going to bring up a pointabout Andor movie.
But that movie is going to bethe true test of can Star Wars
survive outside of theSkywalkers?

(27:51):
yeah, that's a great point, andI mean they got the right actor
to test that and I texted youbecause I was kind of live
reacting when everything wasgoing down and I said Ryan
Gosling, adding himself into thestar wars universe, is gonna be
like a.
It's gonna inform a lot of whata lot of actors are gonna do in

(28:11):
a franchise perspective.
Because if you play somebody inthe mcu or for for dc, you're
kind of tethered to people'sexpectations of what you need to
be to be that character andthen you get into the situations
where like well, you don't lookone for one beat like that
character, so you're wrong andlike you're gonna kind of get
that.
What this has the uniquepotential to do is like for

(28:32):
other actors, like these biga-list actors, to come in and be
like I can have my own personalbrand fit that character, like
anthony mackie's, like moviestar, point.
Like ryan gosling is a moviestar and to which the point he
is the movie star of a Star Warsmovie.
He's not an actor going intothe Star Wars universe, he's the
movie star that's carrying thatmovie.
And I think that's the mostimportant sell that they had.

(28:53):
The crowd erupted when hewalked out.
There's a reason for that RyanGosling we talked about the New
Guard movie stars.
He's one of them.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, and it's kind of funny talking about him in
that respect because he's beenaround for decades at this point
.
As an actor, it does reallyfeel like he's coming into his
own as he's setting his trueprime.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Which is scary.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
He's been great for so long and now it feels like
he's hitting his movie starniche and he's testing that
metal by doing a fandom thinglike a franchise, which I think
is cool.
I honestly thought the firstthing that he would probably do
is probably a Marvel thing iswhat I thought.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, I think they were trying to figure out where
to fit him in.
I think he will eventually getthere.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
He's going to do a Marvel or DC, something He'll
get himself.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I think he will Benedict Cumberbatch as Doctor
Strange and have him be JohnnyBlaze, whatever post-Secret Wars
things happen, or I was justtrying to think of anybody he
can play on the DC side.
Not the question, he's notgoing to be the, they're not
going to wipe his face.
Objectively, he would be thebest Booster Gold you can ever
think of.
Yeah, Him and Glenn Powellwould be perfect for Booster

(30:21):
Gold.
Unfortunately, Tom Cruise gotto Ben Glenn Powell, so Glenn
Powell's never going to do asuperhero thing.
Like he will never, ever dothat.
But then, kind of to my point,like he might look at, like
that's what I'm saying likesomebody might look at Star Wars
like one of these A-list actorsand be like I can still be me
in the confines of this universe.
So Star Wars is so incrediblytechnically sound, like it's

(30:45):
probably the most technicallysound franchise there is in
terms of like you're not gettingbad CGI, you're not getting.
Like the sets are all practical, like most of the sets are
practical.
Like you can put a greatfilmmaker into Star Wars and
Tony Gilroy is doing that rightnow as we speak.
How incredible andor is.
And like the best part aboutstar wars is you can flip tone

(31:07):
throughout where you go yeah butthemes don't change like the
themes should still be roundabout the same, but tones will.
Tones will kind of shift as yougo.
So I'm really excited um anyother actor that you want to see
kind of get added into thismovie, because I think people
are saying that actors areturning down this movie, which
is curious yeah, I mean, I thinkthat's just a testament to like

(31:30):
how star wars is viewednowadays.
You know what I'll say to that.
I feel like actors turn down alot more things than we think.
We just got that list and westarted freaking out like I
don't think it's as big of adeal as people are making it out
to be.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's true, but I also think a lot of it too has
to do with how specifically theactors in the sequel trilogy
were treated by the fans atlarge.
I mean, john Boyle just cameout recently and blasted Star
Wars again which I can't blamehim for.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
He said it.
He said what he said, like hewas promised the Jedi glory that
he should have had.
And no, he doesn't need to beMace Windu as long because there
are only two black charactersin Star Wars.
That's not how that works.
He just should be who he is.
To fumble John Boyega, who oneof the points that I love to
make is you literally see himget better as an actor up until

(32:24):
the point where he gets to likethat award-winning actor
territory by the time.
Not for that performance in themovie, but like him as an actor
evolves like you.
You wasted that.
You wasted Daisy Ridley, whoyou got and such an incredible
character and such an incredibleperson to kind of add into that
Star Wars universe.
You wasted Oscar Isaac is oneof the biggest wastes you could
have had.

(32:46):
Marvel careful, don't do itagain to him there too.
Don't do it to him.
The MCU what did Oscar Isaacever do to anyone?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Is it because he's making this Jesus movie.
Honestly, you know what I'mthinking too, what I was just
thinking of, or I mean, I don'tknow the logistics of it, like
time-wise, but like you weretalking about, like pairing a
Jedi up with Ryan Gosling in theStarfighter movie, why not just
Cal Kestis?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think it'd be too like you couldn't,
logistics-wise it'd be tough.
It would be the coolest thingbecause Cameron Mon Monaghan,
the two of them together, Ithink would be absolutely
perfect, and I just I just wantto bring the point that I think
Cameron Monaghan should be theabsolute a-list of a-list actors
, like I love him so much.
Um, I think he would bephenomenal there too.
I'm trying to think of anybodyelse that would just be like you
, like a perfect Star Wars-esquekind of person as a Jedi to get
in there Like other actors thatare a little bit younger.
That would just be the perfectsort of Jedi.

(33:49):
Sebastian.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Stan no.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I know it's a different hair color and
everything.
You know who Sebastian Stanwould be perfect, as just at the
whole landscape it's anotherStar Wars game character.
He would be the absoluteperfect.
Terran Malicos from FallenOrder.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, wyatt Russell, I'm just thinking
about Thunderbolts, for somereason.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Florence Pugh would probably be a really great
snippy Jedi.
That's just over the wholeorder.
Yeah, she's like I'll make myown order.
I don't got to do your order.
Do whatever I want.
I'm telling you, man, simu Liuas a Jedi would be just perfect.
We're a very pro Simu.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Liu podcast yes, we are.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yes, we are.
Even the whole internet wasgoing to bat for Simu Liu when
he got his chair for theDoomsday announcement.
People were like about time itmy goat's back, yeah, Dog you
ever watch Shang-Chi yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's good that movie slaps it.
Does you know what else slapsthe Last of Us?
Why?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Why, why?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Why?
Why?
Episodes one and two Spoilersspoilers spoilers spoilers
Spoilers ahead.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Time code it Run hide Spoilers spoiler.
Spoiler Spoiler's ahead.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Time code.
It Run.
Hide Spoilers, spoilers, ahoy.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Spoilers times a billion, oh God.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So episode one We'll talk about that first Directed
by Craig Mazin, a nice stagesetting episode, I think.
Good episode one, good place toput a lot of stuff Did what I
thought they were going to dowith Abby and they just threw it
out there.
They threw out her motivationsright away.

(35:30):
The first shot of the entireseason is the aftermath of the
Salt Lake Hospital massacre,with Abby and company burying
their dead, abby burying herfather and vowingowing vengeance
on Joel, no matter how long itmay take.
And boy oh boy, if CaitlynDever isn't Great.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
She sounds exactly like Laura Bailey.
It is absurd, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You buy every bit of her Sadness.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
There's a rage she has.
There's like this internal rage, and it flares from time to
time and caitlin devers doesit's.
It's she, that's.
I want to say something I'm notready to.
I need to see more, but I wantto say something.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm not going to say it yet um, so we get that right
away, we get, and then we justget kind of jackson every day.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yes, I love it, Love it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It was great.
And then you know we'reintroduced this first episode,
introduced us to all of our newcharacters and reintroduced to
us all the old characters, fiveyears after the end of season
one, which all of thesecharacters look vastly different
from where we left them, whichis obviously what you would hope

(36:45):
for in a time jump.
So I guess we can talk aboutthe new characters quick.
I think Isabella Marcet isinstantly going to be the kind
of darling sweetheart you knowfan favorite of the entire show.
I think I don't know if I'mbreaking any news, but I think

(37:05):
we're on that track she not justembodies the character of Dina
perfectly, she's kind of makingit her own.
It brings up a lot of thingsabout Dina in the game,
particularly that I wasn't crazyabout, where she kind of for a
lot of the game maybe more thanhalf lacked a lot of personal

(37:26):
motivation.
She was just kind of there aslike abby's or excuse me, she's
there it's like ellie's supportsystem, whereas this she seems
to have a.
She seems to have a lot moretether to the other characters
and it's joel specifically andthat was.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
You gotta think that mazen probably went through the
second game again and he wastrying to fit because he's so
big on character, like that'shis biggest thing, so he
probably went through and wasjust like, just like you just
said, dina probably needed alittle bit more heavy lifting
outside of a, you know, kind oflike a catalyst for Ellie.

(38:00):
The entire game is kind of howshe plays, even however great
the actress that played her inthe game was, but there's this
like ruggedness that IsabellaMarced brings to her.
There's like this kind of likeit's so she's like fun, she's
like a fun character to kind offollow.
She's fun.
She's like very earnest.
She interacts with everybodyIncredibly.

(38:21):
You don't that's tough to getfrom a side character where they
bounce off every singlecharacter well.
But she bounces off everysingle character well, she
interacts with.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I loved the little interaction she had with Joel in
episode one, where he's justkind of fixing along and she's
like, hey, man, this freakingthing is broken.
Tell us how to fix it.
And then she bounces from A toB.
She's like fix this thing, butalso, what's the deal with you
and Ellie?
What's going on?
You're not going to therapy, areyou?
She's like this firecrackerthat doesn't exist in the Last

(38:51):
of Us universe.
There really isn't a characterlike her In the way that she's
presented in the show.
That type of character isn'tsupposed to exist in this world.
Her and younger ellie aresimilar, but dina's much more
fun.
Ellie's like ellie's like veryrage driven like she's sarcastic

(39:14):
, but she's also very ragedriven, whereas dina's like
everything is great yeah, likeI'm gonna live my life, like I'm
.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I'm the young 20 something you know person that
gets to live their life.
She's like a littlepost-apocalyptic hippie.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
So I think she's destined, Isabella Marcetta's
destined to be the darling ofthis second season.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
She might mess around and do that in the DCU herself
too.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Jesse, we got a little bit of a look at young
Nancy.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
He's doing great.
He's doing great.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Very grounded, Very like.
This is the way it.
It is and the way you have todo things.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
This is the way it is don't ruffle any feathers like
this is what we need.
Very like, he's on the straightand narrow.
He's fast too.
That's what I really like.
His responses are fast, like he.
He adapts very well to whateversituation's going on, which I
really appreciate yep um andthen like other new characters,
so like seth the homophobe seth,seth the homophobe.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh man just plays a great homophobe I don't know
what worse seth.
I don't know how to tell youyou suck seth.
He's great at getting shoved onthe floor.
Yeah, um, abby's crew, we don't.
We get a little bit.
Owen's 6'5".
It's distracting almost howmuch bigger he is than the rest

(40:30):
of them.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
If they want to restart the NBA in the
post-apocalyptic world, youstart with Owen.
He is a Paul Bunyan-esquelooking man.
Abraham Lincoln got nothing onyou, man Spencer Lord.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I was unfamiliar with your game.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
How tall is spencer?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
lord, I was like wait a minute, why is?
Why is owen so big?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
the first thing that happened was spencer lord height
when I typed it in.
How tall is spencer?
This is five, eight.
No, no, no earthly shot he's,he's.
He's six, seven.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
He's towering over everyone.
We get a little bit of Owenlike between the two episodes,
where he kind of feels like theAbby is like the, she's like the
, the emotion of the group, andOwen is like kind of like
the-headed, like here's how weactually should do things.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm going to take that even further.
If Abby's the emotional express, I think she's the emotional
express of what happened in themoment and Owen's the emotional
express of how they feel.
Right there, they're like we'reover this, except for Danny
Ramirez's.
What's his name?
Manny Manny Except for MannyManny's the only one that's like

(41:49):
I want him dead.
Why do you want him dead, danny?
I don't know.
They're like Manny.
Weren't you fighting with thedoctor a few weeks ago before he
died?
Maybe I was.
Maybe I like killing people,manny.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Manny Manny, if doctor a few weeks ago before he
died, maybe I was, maybe I likekilling people, manny, manny,
manny, if anything he wants inthis life, it's it's smoke.
Yeah, um, yeah again.
This is why, like I said, likelast week we were kind of
previewing this I just want tosee more of this crew and more
of like, because you get alittle bit of kind of like mel
and nora, like you kind of getthat Mel, especially like um.
You already start to see herreticence to Abby's whole deal.

(42:29):
Right, and Abby, I mean anepisode two, like in the cabin,
like Abby even says, like likeMel tries to pop up.
I mean Abby's like shut thefuck up, no, and I'm like Whoa,
yeah, they're beefing, yeah, sothat was cool.
And then the other new characterI really wanted to highlight
was the therapist character,gale.
I really liked her little thingthere that she had with Joel.

(42:54):
What happened?
Yeah, we get a massive revealin that Joel kills Eugene.
We don't know why, we don'tknow how we can intimate why.
It's assumed, probably, thatEugene got bit and Joel had to
put him down.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't think it's that simple?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I don't think it's that simple either, because one
of her lines is I understand whyyou did it, but it's the way
you did it that I can't forgive.
What does that mean?
So we'll find that out.
That'll be a flashback of somesort.
I would imagine Also adetraction from the game as well
.
Eugene, notoriously in the game, died of natural causes, so to

(43:38):
put his death on Joel is anotherinteresting kind of plot piece.
And then, I mean episode onereally culminates.
You have a cool little thesupermarket raid.
Somehow the supermarket raidfrom Last of Us, part 2 returned
, we get a nice littleone-on-one.
They seem to have tweaked thestalker mythos a little bit in
the sense that it appears thatthe stalker is being portrayed

(44:00):
as a kind of level beyond even aclicker, in the sense that it's
smarter.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It can think for itself.
Yeah, we can go into theevolution thing that they talked
about, because kind of how Iguess it's working is that the
infected themselves.
And it's a great kind ofcontemporary, because the humans
are evolving.
They're evolving, just theirway of life is evolving.
They adapted.
The infected are evolving Likethey're evolving, like you know,
just their way of life isevolving Like they adapted.
The infected are also adapting.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, which is a great kind of separation point
from the game.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Exactly.
It takes the video game.
I have to kill the things toget to the next level, away from
it, which you need to do from agame to a show, and what it
does is it tells you immediatelylike no, this is a universe,
this is a place, this is aliving place and thing.
And then things change andscience changes and evolution
changes.
Things are happening.
One of those things are thatthe infected are getting smarter

(44:55):
.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, so that is the insertion point of what we know
as the stalkers from the Last ofUs, part II and the Last of Us
original recipe.
The Last of Us had the stalkersas well, right?
So the stalkers are kind ofpresented as this kind of
evolution of the infected.
Where they're smarter, theythink they can hide.
The one that Ellie fights inthe supermarket puts itself in

(45:16):
like a cupboard and then comesat her.
Ellie gets bit, you think, likeno harm, no foul.
But it ends up being no harm toEllie.
Big foul for Jackson becauseshe cuts the spores out of her
stomach and flushes them downthe drain in a very innocuous
sequence and then that bleedsinto a monster sequence in
episode two, Um.
And then the big hook ofepisode one is obviously the

(45:37):
dance hall sequence, um.
That the last of us part twodoesn't show until later on, um.
But we get it here where Dinaand Ellie have a moment, seth
the homophobe, um ramps up herocks up and he's like hey,
don't be kissing girls in mychurch thing.
Town hall place.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, it's an all it's like.
It's like your local firehousein your own community.
Everybody's got a firehouse inyour own community.
Everybody's got a firehouse intheir community that does
everything.
You want a birthday party.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Have it at the firehouse.
You want a council meeting?
Have it at the firehouse.
No girls kissing girls in myfirehouse.
And then Joel shoves that manto the floor and then Ellie gets
really, really upset at Joel.
And then we don't know why.
We just know that Joel andEllie are kind of a little
distant.
They're not like hating eachother, but they're distant.
That's what Joel's trying tofigure out, which brings me back

(46:28):
to the therapist character ofGale, where she's like Stop
lying to me, joel.
Look, I'm going to be honestwith you.
I hate you because you killedmy husband.
Now it's your turn.
Be honest, like what happenedwith you and Ellie.
And he can't to this day.
To this day, five years, hecan't be honest with himself

(46:49):
Because she asked did?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
you hurt her.
That Dina scene as well, wherehe goes.
He was kind of talking tohimself a little bit and he's
saying I can't make out why shewas Dude.
You're lying to yourself.
You bent that whole story tomake it and that's the lesson in
perspective.
He bent that story to make himthe hero.
Yeah, I'm sorry folks, I hateto break this breaking news to
you.
Joel Miller is not a hero.

(47:12):
Yeah, you know what Joel Milleris.
He's a human being.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, yeah, and Gale asks him like, did you hurt her?
And he goes no, no, no, Ididn't.
And then he gets up becausehe's gonna leave, because he
can't be honest, and he says Isaved her, I saved her.
And then he walks out andyou're like is that what
happened, is that what you did?
Um, that's basically howepisode one ends.
It ends with abby and companyhovering above jackson and then
it ends and then episode two,man, episode 2 they did, they

(47:47):
did it, they did the thing, didnot think they were going to do
it?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
no, I did not.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
If you go, back to our preview episode last week.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
We were wrong you know what variable we didn't
equate for what if they justfollowed the game?
What?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
if they just followed the game?
What if they just did that withsome slight alterations?
But yeah, man.
Episode 2 culminates in thedeath of Joel Miller At the
hands of Abby.
Plays out exactly like the game.
Abby goes out on a littleexpedition by herself Because

(48:23):
she's fed up with them justhanging around like they see
jackson, and rightfully so.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
They're like holy shit they were like we didn't
really kind of recognize it atnight, but like you know now
that it's like they have pat,like this is like a fortified
city with weapons and apopulation and yeah, we're not
getting in there.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, and even if we did, there's a 40 million people
there.
Yeah, we don't.
We only know this guy's nameand a brief description and Abby
goes like what are the oddsthat we're ever going to run
into?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
him.
What did K2I say?
It's high, it's very high.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
And then I love that bit where Abby's like Alright,
fuck you guys, I'm going out ona snow mission.
And then, because Owen's likeeveryone, relax, I got a plan.
I got a plan, john, you alwaysgot a plan Dutch.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Do you have plans?
I have concepts of a plan.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
So she leaves and they're like do you really have
a freaking plan?
He's like I got a plan.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Go home.
We're going home.
We're going home.
We're done, it's over.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
We've been tracking this guy down for five years and
, sure, maybe we're here nowfinally, but we can't.
We got no shot.
No shot that this is going togo well.
Returning character that wedidn't talk about was Tommy
Gabriel Luna.
He's the mayor.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
He's still incredible .
He's great.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
He's great.
He gets a lot to do in episodetwo, directed by Mark Milod.
For good reason, because bigbattle, big fight.
Sequence Dude.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Now this is something I did get right.
I said whenever we get to theassault on Jackson that it's
going to be monumental TV.
And boy was it monumental.
Like I think my expectationswere lower than what I.
Whatever we got Cause, oh boy.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, so the whole I mean the symbolism behind the
snow storm is brilliant,obviously, but so the whole
episode is built around the snowstorm that's incoming Ellie and
Jesse.
They they ripped the dialogueone for one from the game where
Jesse comes to get Ellie andthey go on patrol.
Blizzard, big Blizzard.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
The biggest Blizzard.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
The biggest Blizzard you've ever seen is coming.
Tommy's like hey, pull everyoneback to Jackson.
Big Blizzard, big snowstorm,but unfortunately he can't get
in touch with any of the maincharacters, Oddly, they were
planning before.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
They did a drill right before.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, well, because they were spooked by Ellie's
stalker story when they werelike.
Ellie was like there's smartinfected out there and they're
like, oh, smart infected, nobueno, but yeah, so Ellie and
Jesse go out.
So this is where we play alittle musical chairs between
the game and the show, wherethings play a little bit

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differently in terms of who'swhere.
So obviously the jacksonassault is not in the game at
all, so tommy stays there, ding,ding.
I got that one right, rememberwhen I said that what if tommy
wasn't in the cabin with joeland you were like nope, keep it
one to one.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
And lo and behold, dina was with joel, and it helps
both their characters in thissituation.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I agree 100%.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
It's not that Tommy needed the help, dina needed the
help, the character help.
But it's now this little bit ofa different thing because kind
of what I to your point, likeyou made, I said what it does is
Tommy also has a child, like hehas a wife and child and like,
but that's gonna be this moralbattle.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
He's like I still wasn't there to protect my
brother yeah, like I protectedthe town but I lost my brother
in the process and I could havesaved him so he thinks, um, and
then for dina, conversely, likeagain, like dina was kind of
like degree of separation fromellie, right, um, when that
whole thing happened, whereellie's like I'm going back, I'm

(52:02):
killing this bitch, and dina'slike I'm with you to the end of
the line, pal, whereas now Dinawas there.
You know what I mean.
Dina's the one with all theinformation, where she, you know
, she knows who Abby is, sheknows where they're from, right,
so I think that gives Dina'scharacter a little bit more
agency, which I think she needsfrom the game.
So I'm really looking forwardto that.

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So I guess we'll just talkabout the assault on Jackson,
first Brought about by twothings One, ellie cutting the
cordyceps out of her anddepositing it down the drain and
it grew inside the roots in oneof the pipes in Jackson.
And then, secondly, we find outthe infected have been kind of
hibernating.

(52:43):
They've been using the deadinfected as insulation To just
kind of hide and these deadinfected are awoken by Abby.
Accidentally she's going.
I don't know where she's going.
I don't know if she's just likesuicide, missioning it to.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Jackson, she's Joel and Dina but she doesn't know
it's Joel and Dina well, Ithought she was just trying to
get a better look at the town.
Oh, wasn't she trying tocapture two of them and make
them tell them where Joel was?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, she sees the two on horseback and she's going
down there.
She falls and she awakes justheaps of infected you want to
talk about a horde.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
You thought the horde from season one was something
this horde would eat.
That horde, yeah, this horde.
This horde is the old horde istackled.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
This horde is humongous.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Somehow each horde is also only led by one boater.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, well, they're like the captains.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
So this horde awakens .
It comes after Abby.
It's horrifying Dog Dog.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
When she's running, dog, dog when she's running.
What is that, nah, man, what isthat?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
She's running, she gets tackled to the floor.
The fence is closing in on her.
One infected gets through,tackles her to the ground.
Just when you think it'scurtains for Abby bang.
Big gunshot.
She grabs hands and flexes herbiceps.
Big gunshot, she grabs.
She grabs grasp hands.
Grab my hand, grab my hand.
She grabs hands and flexes herbiceps with none other than Joel

(54:10):
Miller.
No, um, she gets inside withDina and Dina's like Joel, we
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
And Abby said huh, joel, you say um this guy's name
couldn't be Joel Miller, itwouldn't.
He's not handsome, no, he ishandsome.
She looked right at him and waslike he is handsome, it's got
to be him, that must be him.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
It must be him, it's the most handsome man I've ever
seen.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
No, I'm Joel Mitchell .
That's the hottest guy I'veever seen In this apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Apocalypse, who Apocalypse?
So Joel and Dina are fleeingwith Abby.
They see Jackson, so that meanssegue into the Jackson battle.
The infected are here.
Knock, knock, the infected arehere, we're coming in.
My man with the binocs is justlike oh Bro, he's trying to be

(54:56):
cinematic Dude.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Ring the bell.
He was like raising thebinoculars they're infected.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Go ring the bell.
He gets the binoculars, putsthe binoculars down, gets out a
telescope.
Looks out the telescope likehe's a pirate.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
His eyes go through it like a cartoon Auga.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Ding ding, the bell's ringing and Tommy's like Men.
Men of the North, men of theNorth.
The day may come when thecourage of men fails.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I'm not going to lie.
I don't even know if Aragornhimself could have stopped this.
This is a.
This horn is something.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
When all bonds are in fellowship.
But it is not this day.
It is not this day Tommy giveshis best speech.
He doesn't give a speech, hejust says Jackson, oh, jackson,
oh, and.
And then it's on.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Tommy did give a good CEO.
I'm not going to lie,something's popping off.
I would follow Tommy.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, me too.
Jackson defenses rage up.
Women and children in thebasement, everyone else to the
roofs, the roofs.
We're pushing barrels.
It's very Helms Deep.
Lord of the Rings, two Towers.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
It's awesome, it's super sick.
Oh my's awesome, it's supersick.
Oh my god, it's super sick.
The barrels get more barrels injackson y'all.
We need more barrels.
The budget?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
the budget, the budget brother, budget flex.
Yep, episode two, budget flex.
Um man, it's, it's really good.
It's really good, it's reallyscary.
It is scary.
You don't know what's going tohappen.
People are running,flamethrowers are flamethrowing.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yep, they have all the weapons from the game.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
And then the infected are like.
Is that a weakness?
I see in that wall.
No, Hold on.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Where's our bloater?
Bring him in, bringing thebloater, bringing Bob.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Bringing Bloater.
Bringing Bob.
Bringing Bob the Bloater.
It's my time to play coach.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Break down that wall, bob.
Mr Gorbachev, tear down thatwall.
What are you like doing, bob?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Smashing stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Smashing stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
And he smashes stuff.
Yeah, he did.
Bloater smashes through thewall.
Infecteds start pouring intoJackson and you're like, uh-oh,
tommy's got that dog in him.
Yeah, he does the guys at.
Jackson, don't have that dog inthem.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
No, they kind of suck .
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
The dogs.
However, yo the dogs mostdefinitely had.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
No, the dogs had Tommy in them.
Dogs are an issue.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It's again a horrid scene unfolding, it's just.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I hate you, craig Mazin.
I hate you so much because youalready knew, you know what
you're doing, you jerk, becauseyou gave us this last glimpse of
what the potential of humanitycould be and then you just told
us it's never going to last,which I guess to Joel's point I
don't think it was Joel's pointin what he was, you know,
directly trying to do, butindirectly, the whole idea of
you know him saving Ellie likewas it ever going to work?

(57:41):
Like was having like asustained humanity that can live
and breathe and do what they?
Was that ever going to reallybe a reality in like the far
future?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah well, and then it dovetails nicely Like it
feels like the Jesse-Ellie stuffis a little innocuous compared
to everything else.
But they have that kind ofconversation about Eugene where
Ellie's like Eugene was afirefly and Jesse's like yeah,
but like quit, because he'stired of killing people.
And then it's intimated that hegot bit and Jesse was like man,
if only there was a cure forbeing infected.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
and now he's like yeah, yeah, if only that would
have rocked yeah shame about itdude, this horde is terrifying.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's so crazy.
But between that we areinterspersed, with Joel and Dina
getting back to First.
They want to go back to Jackson.
They see Jackson aflame.
Joel's like we gotta go backand Dina's like it is negative
400 degrees.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
We will die.
We are not gonna make it back.
Why did they go out in thefirst place?
Because they were on patrol.
But why did they go out in thefirst place?
They don't have a snowstorm.
We can take one day off.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And Abby's like I got a cabin up on that yonder
mountain, me and my crew werethere.
And Joel's like are they armed?
And Abby's like hell yeah,they're armed.
Joel's like good, I love guns,let's go.
Because Joel's and this isagain different from the game,
which I think the show makes itmake a little bit more sense,
because I know one of theconceits of the game is like

(59:03):
Joel would never go willy nillyinto some random stranger's
cabin and he did but in thisit's out of desperation and
Joel's like, hey, we need torecruit these armed people to
defend Jackson because thetown's under attack and my
brother's there like we need toget these, get these guns and
get get rolling.

(59:25):
So they get rolling, they get upthe hill, they get to the cabin
and joel's like poof out of thefire and into a cozy cabin.
This is great.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
This cabin's really well kept together for being in
the apocalypse.
It is very well kept together.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
It looks furnished.
You guys seem really reallynice.
Thanks guys.
You guys rock and joel's likeall right, get your, get your
stuff let's go.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Dina has frostbite.
That sucks.
Sorry, Dina, Sorry IsabellaMarcel.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And Mel's like nope, we need to chill to get you
looked after and warm.
And Joel's like, whew, nicegolf clubs.
I used to golf back in the day.
I love golf.
Nice golf clubs, I used to golfback in the day.
I love golf.
And Abby's like this is Dinaand this dramatic turn is Joel,
bum, bum, bum.

(01:00:14):
And Joel's like, yeah, yeah,I'm Joel, I'm Joel, I'm handsome
.
And Abby's like, yep, you areKa-blam, ka-blam-o, uh-oh,
you're the scene of Joel's deathfrom the Last of Us, part II.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I love a few things I love.
I love Mel's humanity.
I think she's a little bit morehuman in this show than she was
in the game, which helps too.
Yeah, because it's ooh, if theydo the thing where Mel, when
Ellie murders Mel Lord, likethat's going to be even tougher.
And again, I was thinking aboutit too, because I made the

(01:00:51):
point.
I said I think they got themocap from the one actor that
was in Agents of SHIELD I forgetwhat her name was to play Mel
in the game, but the actressthat they have here that was in
the runaways.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, gert from the runaways, gert from runaways
yeah, she has an innocence toher Apparently cried for real
and they just kept it in.
Wow, like cried for real whenthe thing was happening and they
just kept it in because theywere like no, that's awesome,
actually, that's real, that'snot acting.
So, yeah, abby blasts Joel inthe leg with a shotgun and then

(01:01:23):
she's like tourniquet his legand now it's Haha, it's rewind
time, it's torture time, baby.
She grabs the golf club andJoel's like, and she gives Joel
this speech where she's like I'mgoing to give you the chance to
tell the truth.
This is before she shoots him.
She's like I'm going to giveyou the chance to tell the truth

(01:01:43):
, um, or this, before she shootshim.
She's like I'm gonna give you achance to be honest for once.
Like where was the last placeyou were that were fireflies?
And he says salt lake, um, andshe says you know you killed 18
fireflies that day and onedoctor, um.
And then joel says somethingabout like you know, like I'm
sorry, I like ruined your lifeor whatever, um, and abby goes

(01:02:05):
what life?
And then she blasts him no,joel goes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I saved you.
Oh, I saved your life savedyour life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
And he goes what life ?
And blasts him with the shotgunum, tourniquets his leg and
then she kind of like goes shesays the line she goes into
sicko mode.
You don't get to rush this yeahbecause she yeah, and then
smashing him in the leg with thegolf club Smash cut to everyone
.
Abby's crew going ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, except for Manny.
Who's like Manny's like abouttime.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Hell yeah, let me get a couple of swings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
This guy's really a thorn in my side.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Cut back to Jackson, it's all hell is breaking loose,
literally the bloater is.
The bloater is in full forceand is about to go after Maria
and Tommy's like hey, you bigidiot, come here.
And the bloater's like hmm, Iknow you ain't talking to Big
Bob like that.
What does Big Bob like to do?

(01:02:54):
smash, though, yup and he's he'sgot a flannel wearing
mustachioed sniper riflecarrying man that he would love
nothing more than the smashstachioed sniper rifle carrying
man that he would love nothingmore than a smash Bob smash.
He chases Tommy into thealleyway and Tommy's like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh no, this looks like a box fight arena.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I got my flamethrower though.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I got my flamethrower , though Flame on the bloater's.
Like Big Bob ain't afraid of noflamethrowers, Until he is Just
when Tommy runs out of juice onthe flamethrower, the bloater's
like.
You know what my HP's at zeroFalls down Dramatic fall for the
bloater you just got me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I was at two health points, but then the flames kept
going.
The burn damage got me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
So Tommy gets out of there,release the hounds.
Maria says A little too late.
Maybe release the hounds alittle earlier.
That should have been one ofyour first, that should have
been the first move.
The hounds turn the tide ofbattle somehow and then it's
over.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
The hounds are the equivalent to Gandalf the White.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Coming back in Return of the King, yeah, we released
the hounds and we did it.
Everybody.
We won.
Many people are dead.
Yeah, everyone's almost dead.
This cleanup is going to beoutrageous.
I'm not coming into worktomorrow actually no.
I will not be part of whatevercleanup is going to be required
here, where we have to take fivetrillion bodies off the street.

(01:04:24):
Right, you guys call me whenit's done.
I think I'm sick tomorrow.
Guys, jesse and Ellie maketheir way up to the cabin
Because they heard that Joel andDina didn't check in.
And there's good reason whythey didn't check in Because
Dina's asleep and Joel got hisleg blown off, so they won't be
checking in.
They were very and check in.
Because Dina's asleep and Joelgot his leg blown off, they

(01:04:45):
won't be checking in.
They were very careful to justput Dina to sleep.
They injected a little thing inher arm, which again is
different from the game, becauseit's Tommy in the game and
Tommy gets smashed in the faceuntil he's unconscious, which
Abby did threaten Dina with.
They're like stick the needlein her arm or I'm going to smash
your head in and that'll puther to sleep.
Yep, and Manny's like I'd liketo see that personally.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, yeah, can we do option B?
Actually, option A is madboring.
I think Manny hates Mel becausehow subdued Mel is, he's like
why can't we start?
Shooting love violence.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
So, yeah, abby's smashing Joel with a golf club,
just smashing him in the leg.
Owen's like come on, can we gohome?
Can you just end this please?
And Abby's like can you guysstop trying to tell me how to
revenge?
Right, I'm very angry and I'mvery upset and this man deserves
this.
And Owen's like alright, lether cook.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
She's pulling the Dave Chappelle from the they
tried to kill.
My father Did kill my father,they tried to kill my father.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
And Owen's like you got five minutes and then just
put a bullet in him and let's go.
And then Ellie blasts throughthe door.
Yep, not for long she getsthrown on the floor by Manny.
She slashes Manny across theface.
Manny will remember that.
He kicks her in the ribs realhard and he's like I'm a killer.

(01:06:11):
And they're like whoa, whoa,come on, man.
Come on, man Chill out bro,we're not here to kill her,
we're here to kill one man, andone man only.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
And then the thing happens.
Joel Demetrius.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Miller.
The thing happens that I wasconvinced they weren't going to
do in the second episode andthen they did it.
Ellie is screaming at Joel toget up.
He is beaten, beaten to death,almost to death.
And then Abby Owen's like allright, this is getting way out
of hand.
Clearly these people fromJackson know that we're here

(01:06:43):
Because there's another one.
Another one just showed up, sopresumably others will show up,
so let's go, please.
So Abby grabs the piece of thegolf club Because she beat him
so viciously that the head brokeoff the golf club, and then she
stabs him through the neck andEllie swears revenge I'm gonna

(01:07:03):
kill you.
It's almost like it's some typeof cycle of violence unfolding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
You're the cycle of violence from the Last of Us,
part 2.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Dog.
They let Ellie live and theyleave.
And Ellie crawls over to Joel,she hovers over him and then she
lays on him, yeah, on his deadcorpse.
We call it back.
He's fine.
Fine, he'll be okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
No, he won't, he actually won't be okay joe
miller will not return.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Um, we cut back to jackson and everyone's like whew
, good thing, nothing horriblehappened while we were fighting
all these zombies?
No, our infrastructure manager,joe miller's, dead um, and then
we cut back to Dina.
Well, ellie and Jesse, carryingDina back to Jackson with a
body bag, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I hate you, craig Mazin, because I was watching.
And then Ashley Johnson singingthrough the valley and then
next thing, you know, I seethey're rolling through and I
was like this sucks.
And then they're dragging hisbody behind.
I said what did I text you?
I texted you like I'm numb.
And then I saw them dragginghis body.
I said I'm not numb anymore andnow I'm in actual pain.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And that's it.
They did it.
They killed Joel in episode two.
Fear not, pedro Pascal willreturn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Because the power of flashbacks.
Spoilers for Last of Us, part 2.
There are several Ellie andJoel flashbacks, that kind of
Fulfill, that five year gap, andI'm assuming we're going to get
one with Joel and Eugene aswell.
So fear not, there will be muchmore Pedro Pascal this season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, you don't get Pedro Pascal and have him in two
episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, I know so he'll be back, but Joel,
unfortunately, in the presentday, will not be back.
He has been tackled.
Yeah, I know so he'll be back,but Joel, unfortunately, in the
present day, will not be back.
He has been tackled.
Him and Bob the Bloaterenjoying the big infected arena
in the sky man, they did it.
They killed Joel in episode two, like you said.

(01:09:00):
Crazy how they just kind offollowed the game.
Huh, um, and it's, yeah, it'sharrowing, it's emotional.
Um, and now Ellie will go onher revenge tour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
It's jarring Every time I see the body getting
dragged behind.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I hate it.
I hate you, Craig Mason.
You're so good at your job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I hate you.
Episode 3 will be coming outSunday.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
That'll be the call to action episode for season 2.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
For Ellie, for Tommy, for everybody, because we still
have to see Tommy's reaction toeverything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Tommy's going to lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I'm really curious to see how they play that with
Tommy having not been there.
He's going to lose it,daredevil.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
We didn't even it.
Yeah, daredevil.
Yeah, we didn't even talk aboutDaredevil yet I just realized
we've been talking about him fora while we still got a whole
Daredevil talk, daredevil talkto do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, I mean, daredevil Born Again is out,
it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Season one is over, and what a miracle this show is
yeah, I mean you want to talkabout stitching together to near
perfection.
That's Daredevil Born Again.
I mean you know how lucky theyare that people didn't herald
this season as an absolute mess.
Some people did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I saw some people calling it a mess because, but
you know, calling it a mess withgreat moments is still better
than what the worst versionswere the original version, if it
never got touched, I guess yeah, man I can't believe they
salvaged this and then they gaveus that out of there as well
too yeah, this show is kind offrankenstein between we have we

(01:10:32):
have season season one, which isepisode one, eight and nine,
and then season one, which isepisodes two through seven.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
With a little bits that go into the one eight, nine
section.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Yeah, a little through line.
So let's talk about the I guess, original recipe born again
stuff, which is episodes twothrough seven, which still has
some really, really good stuff,specifically the White Tiger,
hector Alos stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Man man.
That we touched upon upon, Ithink, when those episodes came
out it's some of the it was someof the most like you want to
talk about.
When some people are like Iwish the mcu would do more day
in the life, there it is.
That's the stuff that I'mtalking about.
If people say that that's thestuff that you need to approach
it as like you want to talk dayin the life of, like bring, have

(01:11:23):
reed richards, bring him tobring you to his lab, or have
matt murdoch have an actualtrial with another hero with him
, like.
That's the stuff and theemotional impact and it's beyond
the actor passing away too.
It's just the emotional impactwould have been the same either
way and the execution was reallywell done.
So I will say to thewherewithal to save that I don't

(01:11:43):
know what they cut and whatthey, but the wherewithal to
save as much.
I think the only point that Ithink you made before is like I
wish he would have white-tigeredmore.
Maybe that's the only thing Iwish, but maybe that was the
point is that he wasn't thewhite tiger, he was Hector Ayala
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, I mean we talked about Camar de los Reyes'
performance, my God, AmazingLike that courtroom scene when
you know Daredevil or Matt flipson him and says like you're
White Tiger, aren't you?
And then he goes.
He keeps asking him you know,why did you save this person,
why did you save that person?

(01:12:17):
And Hector keeps saying becauseit was the right thing to do,
and then only for that to fliparound with Fisk saying like
this is unacceptable.
And then you know we later findout that it's Cole North that
executes Hector Ayala um andkills him, and you're like that.
Then that episode three is sojarring when white tiger is just
out and then Cole steps out ofthe darkness and just boom, just

(01:12:39):
shoots him dead.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
And you're like Holy, just boom, just shoots him dead
and you're like holy shit.
So I thought that was reallygreat.
Muse man, what a.
You had something actuallyspecial and you could have had
like, and I think this issomething you could have really

(01:13:01):
used it to advantage.
If this show is going to have aseason every year for just keep
it rolling, like I don't knowwhen you ever have to cut it off
.
But one thing you really couldhave did was like show could
have operated on their.
The villains just don't die,they just keep evolving,
changing.
They're humans, they're people,so things keep happening in
their lives.
The handling of muse, I think,is like a direct correlation to
the chopping of this season.
Um, I think they needed to kindof take one of them off the
board because how are you gonna?

(01:13:21):
And I think it was theyprobably watched back and and
they saw Winston Bethel and howgood he was and they were like I
don't know if we can have twobig-time villains like this
running at the same time andthey had to pick, and obviously
you're going to pick WinstonBethel 15 times out of 10.
But Muse had potential.
You want to talk about actualpotential.
He had it, which is, you knowit sucks that a he's dead.

(01:13:42):
I I would have wanted so muchmore out of that actor too.
Not in the performance.
I wanted more Like.
I wanted more.
I wanted to see like this, youknow, two faced like psychotic
like.
But I think I'm right to helpthis point as well too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a little more
of his motivation, a little bitmore of his kind of pathos, you
know, as the character, not asthe, as the human, as the person
, not as muse because we seemuse a ton at least you know
comparatively whereas like, wedon't see uh, I forget what the
character's name is, um, but wedon't see him a ton other than

(01:14:20):
you know when he first seesheather and then later you get
that really gripping scene, um,with him in the in her office.
Um, I thought that was reallyreally good.
But yeah, I mean to be fair,the muse stuff is a catalyst for
daredevil suiting up again,which is an awesome, awesome
scene when you know he finds outthat hector's niece has been

(01:14:42):
kidnapped by muse and then he'sabout to call 9-1-1 and then he
hangs up and he says fuck it,and then you see him in the suit
and then we get this reallygreat shot of muse in the subway
and the red light behind himand then daredevil zips in and
we get a really nice.
I think the new team did thatfight scene, if I'm not mistaken
yes.
Yes, yep, and it's really goodand it intersperses with a

(01:15:06):
really great parallel of Fiskcoming out of his shell and
brutalizing Adam.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Vanessa's down.
You want to talk about somebodydown for the cause.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Vanessa's character.
She was very interesting thisseason.
The only thing I'll say is theoriginal and I know like you
want to talk about likecharacter evolution, like.
What I do appreciate is thedefinitiveness of it, of like
she's, she's in, like I'm in,like I'm, I'm in.
I would have liked a little bitmore prolonged animosity

(01:15:38):
between the two of them, like Iwould have liked if it was more
of like a Fisk has anothersecondary antagonist coming out
of and, lo and behold, it's hisactual wife, because he seems, I
think, going into the nextseason, which I think they're
going to deal with, he seems alittle bit too bulletproof at
this point, like he doesn't have.
Incredibly bulletproof, like hedoesn't have another catalyst

(01:16:00):
out of the way.
Um, I guess it would be bullse,but I think that Fisk says he
has too much protection rightnow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Vanessa, like secretly trying to plot to kill
him, but acting like she loveshim.
That could have been likeimagine like she shoots at him
and she loses it after sheshoots at him, like Fisk leaves
and she just absolutely breaksdown.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a great point.
Yeah, that subplot between himand Vanessa felt a little choppy
.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
It felt like they needed to resolve this as fast
as possible, and I think I knowwhy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Because originally they were going to recast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Vanessa Fisk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Right Until the overhaul and they brought the
actress's name is Ayelet Zurer.
They brought her back.
So I think I do feel like theyprobably felt.
I feel like they probably shota lot of material with the new

(01:16:58):
Vanessa actress and then, whenthey brought Ayelet Zurer zero
back, they filmed obviously newstuff.
So I feel like a lot of thattension that you're talking
about probably got left on thecutting room floor and they kind
of had to stitch it together asbest they could, yeah.
So that's why I think that'swhy it feels maybe a little bit
rushed and a little bit resolvedquickly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
If I think the addition you make next season,
maybe you'd make next season 13episodes.
Obviously, the turnaround isgoing to be more difficult.
To do 13 episodes if you'regoing to do this yearly, like
eight to nine, is probably your,your wiggle room for a year, to
your turnout.
But if you shoot this liketraditional television, like the
way that you do networktelevision, like you're just
always shooting, like when wewere watching the Flash that's

(01:17:40):
why changes can happen.
Midseason is because you'realways shooting you can kind of
adapt to audience reaction, towhatever needs to be adapted.
So I wonder if I think that'sgoing to be their approach.
I think they want to treat thisas like network television, of
like we're going to have aseason every single year, like
every year during, just like wewere watching the Flash, just
like we were watching Arrow,like every year October of every

(01:18:00):
year the new season comes outof everything and then we start
again.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah.
So yeah, the Mew stuff, I thinkobviously is kind of a low
point because it just feltunfulfilled.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I think episode seven's the worst episode of
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
It's episode seven or episode two are probably the
weakest episodes of the season.
Yeah, yeah, I think you'reright.
I think seven is probably theweakest, um, because it a lot
happens and a lot of it justkind of feels a little like
you're just like, that's it yes,exactly, I felt like
unfulfilled after the, after theepisode, like it just kind of
felt like muse was getting goingyeah, and then episode seven
happens, and he's just that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
He's just off the board and I thought you had the
potential, like I said, to keeplike, just like I'm reading a
comic, like these heroes havevillains coming at them from all
different directions with alldifferent motivations, and the
Muse and Bullseye potential toteam up against Daredevil is
gone now.
So you have some interestingkind of plot threads that are

(01:18:55):
now gone unless somebody takesthe mantle of Muse next.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Which I think is possible.
I wouldn't totally shut thedoor on that happening, which I
think is possible.
I wouldn't totally shut thedoor on that happening, honestly
.
I think another casualty of theFrankenstein nature is the
Heather character.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yeah, she gets.
Unfortunately, as the seasonprogresses, she kind of gets I
don't know the word I'm lookingfor she starts to erode as the
season goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah, she doesn't get literally.
You know, there's a term incomics and writing in general
called fridging, where acharacter just kind of dies just
to move the plot along.
She doesn't get literallyfridged, I think she gets
creatively fridged.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, I think it's too easy for Fisk to just take
her and her to be just so down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Like I don't think you do that in a season one with
the character.
The conflict between her andmatt felt very forced like to
where she she's supposed to be,like an empath and like an
empathic therapist type and likeanytime any for some reason,
anytime he tries to say stuffabout fisk, she just doesn't
want to hear it right and shethinks he's like losing his mind
.
And I'm just like I feel likethe guy with the history with
this person.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
You should kind of trust him a little bit more, and
aren't you a therapist?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
you can't read this from him and I don't like the
fact where he says I think it'sin episode seven, it might.
It might be episode seven or itmight be episode eight.
Even when he says it, when he'slike you know, fisk is using
you to get to me like if he's inour lives, that's a problem.
And then she says he's themayor, he's in all of our lives.
What does that mean?
What mayor is in in?

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
your life, especially of new york city.
Right, yeah, exactly, somesmall town maybe, yeah, not in
new york city yeah, so yeah,that character.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I need to see a little bit more from that
character before I'm.
Yeah, I need to see a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
I need a little bit more of a dynamic nature, like I
need something.
Like you want to talk aboutkaren and like the immediate
punch that she gives you inseason one, like the innocence
that there's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Like we can talk about karen and the punch that
she gives you in this show yeahLike, and she does it in two
episodes.
Yeah, I mean when she, andagain, it's creatively different
.
But when man, when she showsback up in episode nine, it felt
right, right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
The original score played the show was that and all
of like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
The show like was just clicking on a whole nother
set of cylinders in that finalewhich we're going to have to
just talk.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
The last two episodes were great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Yeah, which is not accidental.
No.
So I mean, is there anythingfrom like the old?
I mean I will say thisSomething from the old stuff
that I really liked was thatepisode five.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yes, the bank, yeah, that was and you want to talk
again.
The network television approachbottle episodes are always a
thing Like the this person doesthis thing and it's like a rant,
like yeah, it's like the weekto week thing.
That's probably one of the bestweek to week things we've.
That's probably one of the onlyweek to week things we've.

(01:22:07):
That's probably one of the onlyweek-to-week things we've ever
gotten in the mcu outside.
I really enjoyed it.
I I loved that episode.
It was one of my favoriteepisodes.
Like we don't see that in themcu, like you don't usually see
that in modern superherostorytelling outside of the
arrowverse, where it's like dropthe character into this thing,
they just deal with this thingfor this episode.
There's no like largerimplication, it's just that
episode, and it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Even the insertion of kamala khan's father was not
distracting no, it wasn'tintrusive.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
It felt natural.
Yeah like he was there and justfelt like and you want to bring
up the comic point like wherecharacters show up of like
that's cool, like kamala khan'sdad is the bank he works at the
bank.
He just works at the bank thatthey're, and like the universe
is bigger, but it's also, youknow, when you think of small
world, ain't it?
Yeah, and what Kamala Khan'sdad also does is he accentuates

(01:22:48):
Matt's nobility as well, too.
I hope to get you down therefor dinner one day too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
And I just love Matt doing Matt things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I love.
Yeah, yeah, it's getting him ina situation Again the bottle
episode.
You put them in a situationthat's a little bit off and a
little bit weird and then theyhave to navigate through this
thing and see it out on theother side when the bank's being
robbed and he walks back in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
he's like he's like hey, what are you doing here?
You're like who me?
You're talking to me.
I'm blind, I can't see who'stalking.
Who is this?
What is this Is?

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
this a robbery in progress.
What's going on?
No way Is this a 187?
.
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I don't like you, solicitor, shout out to that guy
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy wascool, he's a better villain than
Muse in this season.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
He got away, he did get away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
I need that guy to.
Once a year and every singleyear on St Paddy's Day, he does
that and Daredevil has to goback and deal with it every
single time.
But their tech just gets alittle better every time they do
it.
I would like him.
Yeah, I would enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Do it every single season him as like a C-list,
like recurring villain who'sjust like he's not threatening
anyway, like he's not actuallygonna win rob the bank, but like
he's just like a thorn in theside, mm-hmm, like he gets.
Yeah, that's kind of like whatOfficer Powell was this season.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
You mean Robert young Robert De Niro.
That guy looks exactly likeyoung Robbie De Niro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Him getting conked in the head in the tunnel was
hilarious.
He was like, hey, bonk, he getstaken out like you sure it was
Daredevil.
He's like, yeah, I'm prettyfucking sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yeah, I just got to say guys, I think it was him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I love the beef between him and Matt.
Yo, they do hate each other.
I heard you have a black eye.
Sorry to hear that.
You know what they say the curefor a black eye is fast hands.
And even the judge was like allright, yeah what's your problem
, bro?

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Cut it out.
What's your problem, mr Murdoch?
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if there'sanything else from the newer
stuff.
I mean, the Punisher stuff isgreat, obviously, yeah the
Punisher stuff is really good Inepisode four yeah, but that's
part of the 189 extension.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah, because, berth, what they were going to do with
my character, I was done, I wasnot going to come back.
So I mean, but that scene wasone of the best scenes out of
this entire show.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, he got life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
What about old Foggy?
He got life.
Come on, guys, you don't saythat, you don't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
What is that?
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
That's what he would have said when the bloater was
coming.
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
that Punisher?
Why is he still coming?
Tommy hit him with aflamethrower.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
We'll talk about Punisher when we start talking
about these other episodes.
I'm trying to think if there'sanything else.
I mean the Fisk stuff is allreally good throughout, and the
narrative choice to use Fisk andMatt as these two people
fighting against their darkernatures and then embracing said
darker natures by the time weget to the finale was one of my

(01:25:45):
favorite things that Daredevilon TV has ever done was the
duality, and I love those theydo it a couple times where they
have these fight sequences ofMatt and Fisk At the same time
At the same time.
The Muse one, specifically, isincredible where Daredevil's
fighting Muse and Fisk is quotetime at the same time.
The muse one, specifically, isincredible where daredevil's
fighting muse and Fisk is quoteunquote fighting Adam.

(01:26:06):
Um, also love that too becauseit kind of also speaks to their
personalities, because daredevilis stepping into that
confrontation with muse, notknowing what to expect, and he's
doing it for a noble reason.
He's doing it to save Hector'sniece, whereas Fisk is fighting
Adam.
Out of you know, he knows Adamcan't touch him, but he knows

(01:26:29):
Adam's not a threat.
He's doing it to fulfill hisown Adam was an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Of course he's not a threat he's fulfilling his own
ego.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
So I really liked how they paralleled those two
scenes where Matt is fightingbecause he's Matt's stepping
back into the shoes of hisdarker half, because he's doing
something noble, he's saving alife, he's stepping into the
unknown, dealing with Muses,whereas Fisk is going back to
his darker nature because hejust can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
And because it fuels his ego, he thinks that's the
only way to save the city.
That's his problem.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Which leads to Vanessa shooting Adam in the
head, and then, yeah, I mean nowwe can just kind of talk about
the episode one.
Episode eight, episode nine theBenson and Moorhead Daredevil
Born Again, season one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
As we like to call it .
Once episode eight hit and it'sjust so funny, man, Episode
eight, even though episode youknow, even though episode eight
literally picks up after episodeone.
Like it's kind of wild how theydid this.
Where like they're like eh,let's just kind of do our own
season within three episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
No, I'm going to do my own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Let's do our own season within three episodes,
because episode eight literallyjust picks up with Bullseye in
prison.
It's like the last four or fiveepisodes didn't even happen and
we're just picking up abullseye in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Man, just down to the way that opening shot yes, that
blue rose.
The whole thing feels different.
It's wild.
I knew they were on tosomething.
I knew they were on tosomething.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Even people who weren't tapped into the
logistics of who was doing what,who was shooting what, even
people watching episode eight,when this reminds me a lot of
episode one, for some reason?
Um, and it's because, yeah,this episode one, episode eight,
episode nine, done by the newcreative team, um, spearheaded
by aaron morehead, justin bensonand dario scarta pain, um,

(01:28:16):
dario scarta pain was involvedwith the netflix series, um, and
uh, involved with the punisheras well, so you might be that
might be why you would just tellby the way it's shot a
different way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
It looks a bit different than two through seven
.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
It looks a bit different.
It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Man that interaction that he has with with Bullseye
in the prison.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
And then I just, you know just the small little
tethers to the Netflix stuff too, where welcome to gen pop agent
point Dexter, like that's whereyou remember like, oh, he used
to work at the FBI, like he didall this stuff Vanessa name,
jobs, nadim in the finale, um,so that tells you that these new
teams, like the new team isbuilding off of the netflix
series, where it felt like theother show was kind of kind of

(01:29:06):
what they promised, which waswe're kind of loosely adapting
from the netflix series, butwe're really not going to talk
about it right like you know,karen and foggy were not at all
in the original iteration of theshow right um, which I think.
I think it was dario scartapanethat talked about how the
premiere of the original BornAgain was going to go Right,
which was going to just be Mattin the suit crying, essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
And it was going to be intimated that Foggy was
killed, instead of them actuallyshowing us that Right, so
that's kind of where we wereheaded, right.
So, again, like total testamentto everyone that was able to
tether the show together.
Right, because then we getepisode eight and it just kicks
into another gear, like it feelslike a totally different show.

(01:29:52):
Right From the previous sixepisodes.
Right, we get Bullseye put inprison Like everything just
feels like it's moving at aquicker pace.
Everything, all the dialogue, isintentional.
That episode eight has one ofmy favorite lines in the entire
series when Matt tells Kristenyou know we're not serving
justice, we're babysitting chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
You're like that's a bar.
You know you want to talk abouttension, oh, dual edged tension
.
When Bullseye breaks out of theprison and he and that smile
they pulled that comic panelthat smile where he has his
tooth broken man, you're likeit's on.
It's on Because you know he'sheaded for the gala.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
And then it starts to ramp, but you don't know why.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
What is it?
Who's he after?
Is he after Matt?
Does he know Matt's daredevil?
Is he after him?
Is he after Fisk, for obviousreasons.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
He pulls one of my favorite wrestlers of all time,
scott Hall.
He pulls a Scott Hall fromMonday Nitro.
You know who I am, but youdon't know why I'm here.
And that's exactly what happenswith Bullseye.
But we get that great scenebetween Wilson Bethel and
Charlie Cox where Matt finds outthat Bullseye wants to talk to
him and Matt's like why?

(01:31:04):
And then Bullseye says, hey,man, I'm going to die in here.
Aren't you supposed to be like,mr Nobility?
Aren't you supposed to helppeople who need help, like
defend the defenseless?
Like isn't that what you'redealing with?
And Matt's like I don't give aflying fuck about you man,
you're getting exactly what youdeserve.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Yeah, you said in another life you would have been
defending me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
F you, man, isn't that what good people do?
And Matt smashes his headagainst the table.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
If one thing about this specific season has taught
me, Matt's a jerk.
Oh, he's unhinged.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
He's unhinged.
He snapped that man's leg inhalf for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
He did not have to do that no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
He wanted to, I wanted to, and I liked it you
bought drugs from him, john butit also does like you can read
that a couple ways like did Mattknow by doing that to Bullseye
that he would get out?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
maybe I mean you know he's gonna go to the infirmary
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Know, by doing that to Bullseye, that he would get
out Maybe Mm-hmm.
I mean, you know he's going togo to the infirmary for that.
Yep, you know, once he goes tothe infirmary, anything can
happen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I don't think Matt cared too much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
No, no.
But I think it was like one ofthose things where, like I'm not
, it's the reverse of the alGhul, where he says I don't have
to save you, or I'm not goingto kill you, but I don't have to
save you, matt kind of does thesame thing with Bullseye I'm
not going to get you out ofprison, but I'm also not going
to not get you out of prison.

(01:32:31):
I'm not going to go to courtand defend you, but if you
should so happen, to get out ofthis situation able, it is what
it is.
Exactly, it is what it is.
Then Poindexter gets out, heshows up at that gala and then
we just get the most tense 15minutes of anything ever.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It's nuts.
We get finger guns.
Wilson Fisk dancing.
I didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
It was unsettling.
I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
What?
He can't have a good time.
I don't like him having a goodtime.
He can't just have a jolly oldgood time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
I don't know, I don't like it so much of those scenes
are brought with tension though, Even the scene with Jack and
Fisk in the office, I'm likewhat's going to happen here?
It gave me that Netflix vibes.
Anytime anyone's in a room withFisk, I get nervous.
I'm like is Jack going to killJack Duquesne here?
Is Jack going to?

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
take a sword out and fight Wilson Fisk.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Hit him with a fire, poker or something.
I'm God, I'm God that man.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
What a crazy addition to this show.
Jack Duquesne, All thecharacters you could have pulled
from From the MCU, from theNetflix shows.
You pulled Jack Duquesne.
All the characters you couldhave pulled from From the MCU,
from the Netflix shows.
You pulled Jack Duquesne out ofeverything.
I need more Tony Dalton.
I'm telling you give him aspecial presentation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, I would love to see him just give someone grief
.
That's in my mind what theswordsman does.
He doesn't fight crime, he justgives people grief.
He's annoying.
I would love for him to annoythe tracksuit mafia for five
episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Oh my God.
No, give him a special.
Have Antonio Banderas be thevillain.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
I would love for him to just annoy the tracksuit
mafia for an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Who was causing issues?
Let's look up swordsmanvillains in the comics.
There's no way he has a rogues.
Gallery man Well villainsthere's no way he has a rogues
gallery.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
I man, well, he was a villain to start, oh, he was a
rogue.
Yep, that makes a lot of sense,but yeah, so that's incredibly
tense.
Heather shows up at the gala,matt shows up at the gala, and
then we just get Matt just can'tlet this beef go with Fisk and
it leads to his ruination of hisrelationship with Heather.

(01:34:46):
But before that, we do get thisscene with Matt returning to
Josie's, where he puts up, hepieces the puzzle together of
like what happened with FoggyRight, which I think is really
good when he's like wait, josie,he pulled out the, he pulled
out the old Malvinies.
Yeah, he's like, nah, hewouldn't do that unless he was
gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Oh, my god, he was gonna win.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
He was gonna win and he was celebrating early.
And then not Brett Mahoney wasthere, Cherry?
Come on man.
Should that have not just beenBrett?

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Mahoney the whole time.
I agree with you.
I I agree with you.
I would have even rathered itbe Cole North.
I would have rathered a verydifferent version of Cole North.
Possibly the only characterwasted more than Muse was Cole.
He is very much different.
In that Zdarsky run he's anactual character.
In that Zdarsky run he's acharacter in this, but it's just

(01:35:37):
the no he's not, he's just theRobert De Niro guy gets more
play than Powell, gets more playthan him.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
He's the chief operator behind the Ayala murder
.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
But that's one thing I will say about the finale.
It's so trivial that he is.
It could have been any one ofthem and it wouldn't have
mattered.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Right, no, yeah, I mean it's purposeful that when
he shoots Hector it's in theshadows.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
When he shoots.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Hector, it's in the shadows, Right, Like you don't
know who.
It is Right and it doesn'treally matter.
But yeah, we get Matt realizingthat Foggy was about to win his
case and he was silenced.
Silenced by whom, you ask?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
That's what he's there-.
You embarrassed me in front ofVanessa.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
You embarrassed me in front of Wilson Because Matt
gets there and he just can'tignore Fisk and Heather's like.
You're not even listening to meright now.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
He's like no, I'm not .
No, I'm not.
Huh, you're asking me dumbquestions.
I'm not listening to you, I'mnot kissing you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Cue to this sequence where not Wesley comes in Buck,
I like Buck.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
I do like Buck.
Yeah, buck doesn't yap as muchas Wesley did.
No, he didn't, but I lovelistening to Wesley yap he
shoots that one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
He shoots Luka from across the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
One thing about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Buck.
One thing about Buck.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
He's a great shot.
Listen, buck knows how tohandle himself.
Low-key, I do respect that.
Buck can handle himself.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
He gets in fifth tier and he's like point dexter he
gets in Fisk's ear and he's likePoindexter escape the prison.
What, oh man, what, oh no, wegotta go man, we gotta go man.
So yeah, bullseye's there,everyone's there, all your
favorites are back in one place,matt, he's like mind of eye cut
in and he takes Vanessa awayfrom Fisk, which I know Fisk

(01:37:20):
wanted to crush his little beadyhead at that moment.
You embarrassed me in front ofVanessa.
He did embarrass him in front ofVanessa and Matt's like I know
it was you.
And Vanessa's like huh, whatare you talking about?
Matt's like you had Fongymurdered.
And Vanessa's like you need tocalm down.
He said shut up bro.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
No, big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Fisk is dancing with Heather and he's like you ever
notice that Matt Murdock lovesvigilantes.
She's like he kind of does.
Yeah, we just got into anargument about this like an hour
ago.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Yeah, anyway, you have my vote, mr Mayor, we are
the Flash.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
She told Matt earlier in that apartment we are
Daredevil.
I did like that argument,though, where heather was like
they just liked boxing eachother, like daredevil wasn't
trying to save anyone, he justlikes like.
She did kind of like take thepunishment side a little bit,
where she was like why didn't hejust kill muse?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
I killed muse, right, and I like I don't have any
like moral thing that's gonna goat me like why couldn't you
just do the same?

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
that's like.
But daredevil doesn't killpeople, heather's like because
he's a coward yeah she didn'tsay that.
But if frank was there he wouldhave said that um, but yeah, so
there, I love this, you don'tknow.
Then bullseye rides up anelevator very menacingly.
He does everything menacingly,he does.
I wouldn't trust it.
I wouldn't trust bullseye towatch my kid no, what the.

(01:38:42):
I wouldn't trust Bullseye towatch my kid.
No, what the hell.
I wouldn't trust Bullseye torun errands.
Bullseye, in a supermarket, Idon't know, I don't trust
anything he does.
So he goes up there.
He killed some poor guy with afork.
Then he grabs the rifle Dog,you're like what?
You don't know what's about tohappen.

(01:39:04):
He could shoot literally anyonein that room and he fires the
bullet and matt jumps in frontof fisk, takes the bullet he was
trying to kill fisk dog chiefgallows there for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Why?
Why fisk?
Why not vanessa?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
I think he just hates fisk.
It's like he.
Well, he tells vanessa in thenext episode when she we get the
flashback to her getting himout, when she's like my husband
has nothing to do with this andBullseye's like he always has
something to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Even when he's out, he's in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Yo Fisk and Fury in the same room.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
He's Nick Fury, he's Wilson Fisk.
Even when he's out he's in.
Um chief gallo thinks that hecan just talk his way out of
anything and just just by yo brotalks so loud.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
He was literally in the room.
Next he said guys, what if we,just what if we took down the
kingpin because, bro, shut up,this couldn't have been a text,
will you shut?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
up man.
Um, I do love that scene where,like the photographer, the
little paparazzi guy takes apicture of fisk and then the
vigilante task force goes afterhim and cheap gal is like, hey,
knock it off you guys.
This isn't right, this ispolice brutality, this is
assault and pal's like nah thisis he's like.
Nah, this is assault, and heputs the guy's hand in the fryer

(01:40:23):
and he's like I'm gonna haveyou put on you're gonna go on a
one week probation you're onyour way to a written warning
pal you're gonna get a writtenreminder for this and pal's like
fuck off, are you Wilson Fisk?

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
and he's like I'm not you see this Punisher's goal.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
I don't answer to nobody except Wilson Fisk and
the Punisher and the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Punisher.
That's not Maurice, that's thePunisher.
That's my favorite person, it'sFrank Castle and my boss is
Wilson Fisk, so get lost getlost yo.
He would have been a greatCommissioner Gordon.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Gallo's, like I'll show you.
I'll show you.
You know, what I'm going to do.
I'm going to go to the papers.
I'm going to go to BB Urich.
I'm going to go to BB Urich.
What happened to BB's uncle?
Who's to say?
Who's to say he was allegedlykilled by the Kingpin Allegedly
yeah you're allegedly also goingto be killed by the Kingpin, Mr
Powell.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah.
Chief Gallo's like hey, BBYerrick, I have information on
every corrupt cop that Fisk hasever employed.
Would you like to have it?
And BB's like why are youtalking so loud?
Yeah, isn't he right over?

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Michael Gandolfini's son can hear me from here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Yeah, he can.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Daniel let's talk about.
Daniel, he doesn't do a lot,but he does everything, but he
does a lot in the last twoepisodes, yeah he does?
He becomes Michael Gandolfini.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
I love it In the last two episodes.
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
He's like a modernized version of a mob boss
, which is why you cast him inthe first place.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Yeah, he's like a social media loving like yuppie
from the what's it called, fromthe Upper East Side-esque type
of character.
Yeah, but he also is about andhe's a simp.
He's the biggest simp forWilson Fisk, but that's what
Fisk wants.
You think Fisk sees a littlebit of the younger self in him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Yes, that's why, like you're loyal, that's all that
matters.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Yeah, he probably wished his father would have
served him the same fate.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Yeah, so yeah, matt takes a bullet for Fisk Segues
into.
We always talk about Marvelhaving a finale problem.
This show did not have a finaleproblem.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
No, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
This show had a finale solution.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Yeah, and it's one person Jon Berthold dog.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
We get Vanessa talking to Bullseye when we see
the flashback where she's like Ineed you to kill Foggy Nelson
and his witness and Bullseye, hedoes the, he does the Hulk from
Thor Ragnarok.
You only want me because of my,because of my skills no, no,
wilson, we love you.
We love you because you're youworked that, that counseling no,

(01:43:00):
benjamin, no, no, no Benji no,no, but if you could kill him
that would be preferred you onlylike me, cause I can kill
someone with literally anything.
That.
I got my hands on she's like no, no, I'm not fighting anymore
lawyers, I'm done with it why doI keep having to do this man?

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Next, you're going to actually want me to go against
the She-Hulk.
I'm not fighting any morebeings.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I'm sick of it.
I'm not fighting any morelawyers.
I'm sick of it.
You feel bad for Bullseye here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Yeah, you do A little bit, you do.
Somebody on Twitter was justlike maybe he's an anti-.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
You do somebody on twitter wasjust like maybe he's the.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
He's an anti.
No, no, no, no, nope, nope,nope.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
He's a psychopath cut that out, um, and you cut back
to him shooting.
He ends up shooting matt andhe's like what have I done?

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
yeah, oops, maybe I've become the monster I still
shot somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
That's all I care about.
My accuracy is still 100.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Who's winning?
Friendly fire or not?
I still hit somebody.
Listen.
See, this is what Disney Plusshould be used for.
Give me a 45 minute One take.
That'd be insane to pull off 45minute one take Special Hawkeye
vs Bullseye.
Let's put this to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Let's settle this.
They're not fighting each other, they're just doing various
accuracy-based competitions.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
It's like a game show .
They're on the Ted Gilbert show.
Wait, who's winning?
Hawkeye Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Yeah, dog Hawkeye has insane range.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
I think Bullseye has close quarters.
Range is diabolical, but longrange Hawkeye is just.
He played 18, he shot 18.
I just never seem to miss heshot the vision.
He did shoot the vision.
I don't know man, Bullseye's aproblem.
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
He shoots Fisk Green Arrow's probably like I'm also
okay at this he shoots Fisk.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Matt's recovering from his bullet wound.
Not a Look, matt.
I understand what you're tryingto do, but also not a good time
for your conspiracy theoryramblings.
It's not helping your.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
No, no, everybody thinks you're a psychopath bud.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
it's not helping your case when you're just laying in
a hot and you're blind, soyou're not looking at anybody,
so you're just in a hospital bed, just like looking.
Be like listen.
Foggy knew he was gonna win.
He was set up.
Vanessa fist killed him andkristen and heather are like oh
boy, he calls heather karen yodog, fastest way to lose your
girlfriend.
Karen, oh no, even I was like,oh yeah, I was like, oops.

(01:45:43):
So Heather's like you know what, I'll come back when you're not
under the influence of severalpainkillers.
And Kristen's like you needhelp.
Get help, I'm not doing, gethelp, fisk.
There's this moment at the endof episode 8 when it ends and
you're like Is Fisk gonna like Idon't know, is he gonna be a

(01:46:05):
little conflicted that, like Natof all people saved his life?
Nope, he's just like Buck.
Kill that man.
Better to be a dead hero than alive vigilante.
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yo all time hater.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
He is an all, he is a generational hater and then we
get this really bombastic FiskD'Onofrio performance in the
office when he's like I wanteverything shut down, I want my
cops out there on the street.
No body cans, no, nothing.
And Chief Gallo's like whoa man, you can't do that.
That would be a violation ofeverything I stand for as a cop

(01:46:41):
and I'm not condoning GalloEncouragement, gallo
Encouragement what's he doing?

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
in this episode.
I don't know.
He's cooking.
That's what he's doing.
Ask him what he's doing.
He's cooking.
What is this D'Onofrioperformance?
I love it, man.
He's one of the classicpsychopaths.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
And then, uh, he talks to Sheila.
I like Sheila.
I mean, I don't like Sheila.
Now she got chief Gallo killed.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Yeah, yeah.
But she, she's properlyterrified of him.
She's, she's, the smartestperson in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Why am I?
I'm not going to fight this, Atleast not face fronting.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Yeah, I'm not going to go in the hallway like Gallo
and be like yo.
Guys, I hate Wilson Fisk.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Well, he said to him like it's going to be my
personal mission to make yourterm the shortest term in
history.
Why would you say that to him?

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Ever.
Why was he up there all thistime?

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
So yeah, gallo tells Sheila like, hey, I'm going to
albany, here's my, my flightitinerary.
Um, and I'm gonna take fistdown, I'm gonna take his task
force down, you're with me,right?
And she was like, yeah, I'mwith you to the end of the line,
pal oh man, imagine congressmanbarn Barnes showing up in that

(01:48:00):
scene.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
That would have been great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
And Sheila's like hey , mayor Fisk, look at this
conversation I just had withChief Gallo.
What else did we get in thisepisode?
We get Daniel threatening thecity council.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
The suspenders are out.
He's gone full.
James Gandolfini.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
He has Listen fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Fellas listen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Yo fellas Fellas listen.
Yo Yo Fellas listen to me.
Buck's just standing there,buck's like I'm British.
It's like yo fellas, we don'twant no problems, do we?

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
That would be really unfortunate if Mr Fisk found out
you weren't on board.
I'm just saying but you, youloaned him money.
That's awesome.
We should talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Yeah, maybe the papers want to hear a thing or
two about it.
He's in the wrong universe.
He should be in the Batmanuniverse.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Yeah, there's not enough Italian mobsters in the
MCU for him to justify beingthere.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Yeah this is crazy.
And then, yes, rip the Penguinyou would have loved, daniel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
The Punisher shows back up hey Vic, hey Vic, that's
not the Punisher, that's thePenguin.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
No, that's not Maurice, that's the Punisher.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
So Matt's laying up in his apartment.
He's like man.
What a day.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
What a day the city's blacked out.
I can't see it though, but Iheard it.
It sounds like chaos out there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
That's a cheap shot and he's like hmm, it sounds
like chaos out there.
I know that anyway.
I think it is in my apartment.
He's like you're the lastperson I'd expect to see here,
and then the Punisher just goeson a rant about coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
And what did Daredevil say?
He said you finally got a freshcut.
Is that what you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
The great back and forth when the Punisher's like
oh they're great.
He's like you're a real asshole.
You know that.
He's like city goes black andyou don't got a goddamn thing to
make a goddamn pot lot ofcoffee in this house and then
daredevil goes.
Well, not everybody lives in afallout shelter.
Frank, and he's like aftershaving a haircut.
That for me.
And frank's like yeah, yeah, Idid it for you he did do it for

(01:50:06):
him, and then daredevil's like Ithought this wasn't your fight
and frank's like well, I got aphone call that changed my mind.
Karen nick fury called me.
Even when I'm out, I'm in um.
Punisher only wears his trenchcoat for aura purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Yeah, that's Yep yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
I love that like.
That's like his signature look,and we've rarely ever seen Bird
Doll in the trench coat, exceptfor, like distance, like
distance shots.
He's wearing the trench coat,he only wears it for aura.
Yeah, he does and he goes.
I'm warning you right now, red,those fanboys come up here, I'm
chopping them up and you'relike uh-oh, no way he's going to
actually chop them up.

(01:50:41):
And then Daredevil's like notsure I want that kind of help.
Frank Frank's like well, it'sthe help you got Because we
couldn't afford any of my otherdefenders.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Let's save it.
We have a dedicated Luke Cagerant at the end of this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
We couldn't afford any more defenders, so I'm here,
Wait.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
isn't John Berthold the most famous of the defenders
?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
And this is the one you went with.
So the cops are coming, thetask force is coming.
They don't know Frank Castle'sthere.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Yeah, that's horrifying.
They also don't know MatthewMurdoch's there.
No, they do.
I mean they don't knowDaredevil's there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
No, they're just going after Matt Murdock, for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
And they needed everybody there to go after one
blind lawyer Suspicious.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Yeah, that don't seem suspicious.
Well, because they wereprobably like well, he kicked
off oh no, powell's, like guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
You guys don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Look, he told me last time if we were gonna go after
him again, we needed to bringmore guys.
We're bringing more guys.
So the task force gets there,Daredevil aura farms through the
ceiling, Through the skylight.
He starts fighting guys andthen kablam, One of these poor
task force guys gets their headblown off by the Punisher.
You ain't more issue toPunisher.

(01:51:49):
And all the cops are like ohgod, and I love.
This sequence was incredible.
It's nuts For a bunch ofreasons.
One I love that the Daredevilstuff is in regular motion and
the Punisher stuff is in slowmotion.
That's intentional.
It's because it's like a thingwhere the Punisher is reveling
in the violence.
That's why all his sequencesare in slow motion.

(01:52:10):
Didn't know the Punisher coulddo that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Yeah, wow, he can change camera settings.
He can make things go slowmotion.
No wonder he's so good atterrible.
Wait, was I joking that he canbreak the fourth wall.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Oh yeah, because he can't be bothered with subplots.
He's a main plot only.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
kind of guy, Yep that's why he's getting a
special and not a movie.
Right, he doesn't need a B plot.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Punisher has no time for B plots.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Give me 52 minutes and I'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
So we get this incredible scene where Daredevil
and the Punisher are fightingpeople, bodies are flying
everywhere, the Punisher'sshooting Daredevil gets this one
cop absolutely brutalized whenhe goes, frank, stop.
And then Frank shoots this copprobably eight times.
He's like I'll show you, I'llshow you, stop.
It's great.

(01:52:57):
I mean, what else can I sayabout this sequence?
It's great.
I mean, what else can I sayabout this sequence?
It's incredible.
And then things start to slowdown a little bit.
Cole North fires at Daredevil.
Daredevil dodges the gunfire,which is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
It's funny because he's dodging the gunfire.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Meanwhile Punisher's just murdering everybody that's
in his crosshairs.
Punisher throws a knife throughCole North's hand and then we
get a little narrative tensionwhere the Punisher picks up the
Punisher's shell casing and he'slike hey man, I think we found
your guy that killed old WhiteTiger there.
And then Daredevil's like didyou do this?
Did you kill White Tiger?
And Cole North's like yeah,maybe I did, I wanted to and I
liked it.

(01:53:37):
I wanted to and I liked it andCole's like do whatever you
gotta do.
I did what I did.
I'm cool with it.
Again, to your point.
Not a great representation forour boy, cole North.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
No, that was not great.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
I gotta unequivocally say that was not outstanding
Daredevil conks him in the headand the Punisher's like kill him
, do it, do.
And the Punisher's like killhim, do it, do it.
Come on, you beat me by onesecond.
Dang it.
Daredevil starts havingflashbacks to Hector, to Foggy,
and he's like nah, I'm not goingto do it.
And the Punisher's like well,if you're not going to do it, I

(01:54:10):
will Don't worry.
He goes to shoot Cole andDaredevil steps in front of him
and he's like nah, I don't wantthis.
Frank and Frank's like orDaredevil's like, it's not what
I want, he doesn't, he's notworth it.
And then Frank looks over atsome other cop that's off screen
and goes well, what about him?
Is he worth it?
Bang, bang, bang.
They get into a classicDaredevil-Punisher argument that

(01:54:34):
was crazy.
When Daredevil's like you'realways a freaking liability and
Punisher's like liability.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
You see how many heaps of people I took out here
and Daredevil's like shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Shut up.
Grenade Punisher's like huh andhe's like grenade, and then
they jump out the window andthen Karen shows up.
Karen did show up, and then theshow.
Just you thought it kicked intoanother gear.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Hey, remember the Netflix show.
Let's get back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, and then we just get this incredible
dialogue between Karen and Matt.
Karen and Frank.
Karen's like hey, you want togo on a subplot with us, frank.
And Frank's like nah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
No, I have a Punisher special to get to Over my dead
body.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Will I be part of a subplot?
I'm going to say it right here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Wait, was he part of a subplot in this?
No, because it sets up his plot.
Oh yeah, he takes advantage ofit, he turns his own.
He has the mental capacity, asa fourth wall breaker, to take
his subplot and turn it into amain plot of his own project.
He's him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
So Matt and Karen have this really nice moment
when they're doing the warehousesearch and Karen's like moment
when they're doing the warehousesearch, and Karen's like you're
the best and Daredevil's likeyou're the best.
Remember Netflix Avocados atlaw, medulla oblongatos at law.
It's great.
I mean, deborah Ann Wall isincredible.
Like I said, when she shows up,the show kicks into another
gear.
So I'm glad she'll be back fornext season.

(01:55:53):
Yes, the Punisher goes to RedHook.
He's him.
He's him.
Comes out of the shadows.
It's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
They're like don't kill him, we're simping for him.
Don't kill him, you should havekilled him.
He's the best guy around.
Yeah, the cops are thedefinition of that.
He's the best guy around.
What about the people he?

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
What murder?
What murder?
That's Jackson to Joel Miller.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
about the people he murdered.
What murder, so the Punisher?

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
kills more of these cops, but they finally overwhelm
him because there's too many ofthem Even for the Punisher.
He doesn't have a daredevil tokind of take a few away to set
some backdoor screens for him.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Yeah, no, meanwhile Chief Gallo shows up to talk to
Fisk.
He's like hey, man, this is areally weird plastic room you
got.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Well, he's going to go to his flight in Albany and
he comes across one of hispatrolmen.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Yeah, it's old guys.
He's like Luke.
I remember you when you were arookie.
Luke's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
You with the task force now, because he's got the
Punisher tattoo on his neck andhe's like yeah, fisk helped me
out.
You know how it is Gottasurvive, right?

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
And Gal was like I'm about to die, aren't I?

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Yep, I know where this is going.
I'm gonna get mine in though.
Yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
I'm gonna get a word in otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
So he goes into this room with Fisk is there, the
task force is there, daniel isthere, sheila's there, and Gal
is like this is a weird place Tohave a meeting.
And Fiske's like, yeah, yeah,it is, you know.
And Gal is like You're a realscumbag, you know that.
And Fiske's like you haven'teven Seen the depths Of my
scumbaggery yet.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
Yeah, shut up, commissioner Gordon Throat, chop
Boom and you're like that wasalso gout.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
I felt that he hit him so hard.
I felt it Hit him with a throatchop, then hit him with a neck
chop.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Hit him with a Donkey Kong double fist to the back.
Double fist to the back.
Meanwhile Frank's yapping.
Frank's got the task force.
He's looking at young Bobby DeNiro and he's like yo fellas.
I just want to tell you youguys are the weirdest freaks
I've ever met.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I just want to tell you you guys are the weirdest
freaks I've ever met.
Yeah, pal's like I'm a big fanof you, castle, you're the best
We'd love to serve with you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Just talk about serving.
Talk about serving.
Thank you for your service.
He doesn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
He said that in another episode before he's like
, what's the first thing he sayswhen he sees him?
He goes Jesus Christ, jesusChrist Joel, jesus Christ Joel.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Oh, we never got that .
Dang it.
Even their Punisher skulls lookweird.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
They're mid.
They're no good.
Like I don't know, Did Cole dohis own Punisher skull Because
that one looked great.
Cole's Punisher skull lookedgreat.
Yeah, the other ones lookhorrible Cole died, and they
were like, oh no, our artist,our artist, our muse, our
resident artist died.
Who's gonna draw our Punisherskulls?
I guess we gotta do itourselves.
And it looks like it.

(01:58:40):
They look terrible.
They look no good you foundthese Punisher skulls on
DeviantArt didn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Yeah, this is no good Now on all of my bingo cards.
I just didn't think thatGallo's face being ripped in
half was on there.
Holy shit, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Yeah, so we're intercutting between Frank and
the task force and Fisk andGallo.
And it's really smart becauseyou're waiting, because with
Fisk, anytime he's got his handson someone, you're just waiting
for the gross, explosive thingto happen.
So they keep cutting back andforth between that and Punisher
and you're like when is it?
Which one is it it?

(01:59:21):
What's gonna happen?
Um, because you got the taskforce being like we'd love to
have you on our side, frank andfrank's like get fucked.
Yeah, no thanks, no thanks, nothanks no thanks, I'm good and I
just love the, I love the justdeconstruction of it where he's
like you're a bunch of clowns,like you don't know why I do
what I do.
Like what is this?
It's like you think you.
And then I love how castle'slike you think you know why I do
what I do, Like what is this.
And then I love how Castle'slike you think you know my loss,

(01:59:41):
Like my pain, Like I didn'tbecome the Punisher because I
wanted to freaking Kill peoplefor fun.
Yeah, I'm doing it because ofmy family, you frauds.
And then Pal's like alright,well, I guess we're just gonna
punch him.
I don't know what this.
I don't know what they weretrying to accomplish here.
Just beat him up.
They still got some love forhim.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Just kill the Punisher.
No, no, it's not that easy.
It is that easy, it's not thateasy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
And then, yeah, so Fisk neck chop, double fist
punch to the back, and then hegrabs Gallo's little melon head
and you're like, oh no, he'sgonna Oberyn Martell him.
No, he does much, much worse.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Yeah, it's infinitely worse.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Whatever you thought the worst was going to be you
would not be prepared for whathe does.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
It's much worse.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
So he's squeezing his little head.
Gallo's face is turning purple,his eyes are bulging out of his
head and then it happens he.
I don't even know how toexplain anatomically what he
does.
I don't even know how toexplain anatomically what he
does.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Well, it looks like he rips the fur, like he breaks
the fur, like the top part ofhis skull, and bends it, and
then his jaw gets ripped off ofhis mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
I'm Wilson Fiske and you're watching Disney Channel.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Yeah, that's what he should have done with the rabbit
in the snowstorm.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
It is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
Disgusting.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Grotesque.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
It's like I just wasn't expecting it.
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
It's like Blumhouse level horror.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
And gore.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
They ripped his head off.
It's what you imagined.
The car door sequence fromseason 1 Would have been like If
you had seen it happen Insteadof just squishy off-screen door
slams.
But they actually showed it andyou're like oh, they weren't
kidding.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Yeah, that's no good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
Because they kept talking about.
There's something that Kingpindoes this season that blows all
the Netflix stuff out of thewater and you're like no way
Disney would not allow that kindof thing.
And then, yeah, he rips Gallo'sface off and you're like oh,
wow, this does rival the Netflixstuff and then they showed like

(02:01:49):
I don't know if you saw thebehind the scenes of like them,
like constructing thatprosthetic and like how they did
it, but it's really really cool, like how they put that whole
thing together.
And then they do all these cutsto like everyone else in the
room, and they're like Jesus.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Christ, yeah, they were like we got to have another
four years of this untilreelection.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
And then Manny showed up from the last of us.
It was like this is what I'mtalking about.
Good job.
This is the level of violencethat I Thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Mayor Fisk, and then he leaves.
I knew I could trust you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Fisk.
Then he does this little liketap, like wipe his face off with
a napkin.
He's like anything else.
Any questions?
Fisk is like everyone's likewho's cleaning this up?

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
Heather joins Fisk.
Yeah, I mean, we alreadytouched on it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
I want to have hope that it's a thing where she
wants to see if Matt's right andthat's why she's doing it.
I don't think so.
I want to hope that's what itis?

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
I just don't think so .
And then we get the team upthis is it, this is it, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Well, we get Karen and Daredevil outside.
Of.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Red Hook.
It's some of the best.
Charlie Cox has been asDaredevil, yeah, and he outside
of Red Hook.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
It's some of the best Charlie Cox has been as
Daredevil, yeah, and he's likeI'm going in there, I'm doing it
, and Karen's like if you go inthere you will die or you will
kill somebody, but most likelyyou will die.
And if you die, like what'sleft, Like we can't stop Fisk if
you're Fenders.
Yeah, and he's like all right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Yep, I'm putting a team together.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
You're Karen, you're Karen Page, you're right, but we
will take this city back, karen, we will.
And she's like I'm in, where dowe start?
And he goes we need an army.
And I'm like, here we go, herewe go.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
And then we get-.
Fist is gonna be there, thor'sgonna be there, miss marvel's
gonna be there, um louise fromant-man's gonna be there we get
this before that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
We get this really touching last scene between
karen matt where she tells themso good where she tells them
like foggy knew who you were,like the light, the dark, like
all of it, and she's like that'swhat's gonna save us.
Basically it's an incrediblelittle monologue that she gives.
It's great, it's really great.

(02:04:06):
She gives him this little peptalk before he walks out to the
floor of Josie's to.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
To beat his new superpower team.
Valkyrie's gonna be there,korg's gonna be there, so he
opens the doors and it's like acouple cops.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
It's his partner, kristen.
It's Cherry.
Luke Cage is there right?
Nope, it's Josie.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
Jessica Jones is there.
Danny Rand's gotta be there.
Nope, hawkeye.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Nope, echo, nope, none of them.
None of them are there, theWizard, the best you're getting
is Karen Page, cherry, and thenMatt says this is the city
without fear.
We're taking the city, we'renot gonna take it.
No, we ain't gonna take it.
That's the song they shouldhave ended on instead of the

(02:04:51):
radio head song.
We do get a look at Hector Al'sniece looking at a couple of
the task force cops.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
I imagine she'll be back and properly White Tiger
yeah, she's like if only had amystical amulet to give me
powers.
And she reaches into her pocketshe's like, hmm, oh, I do.
Josie, being on this task forceI think is the best alright
well, here's the thing thisisn't actually the army.
This isn't the army he wasreferring to yeah, this is

(02:05:19):
lacking vigilantes to go againstthe anti-vigilante task force.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
This is like just the people that are like down for
the cause.
This isn't actually who's goingto like fight the kingpin.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
They got to get Jack Duquesne.
He's locked up.
Yeah, what's with Fisk in these?

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
cages.
What's with this?
So Fisk locks a bunch of, helocks up all his enemies.
Wilson Fisk will address hisenemies.
Jack's in there, a bunch of therich people that kind of
half-heartedly threatened himare there, and then Frank is
there, and then the season endswith Daredevil being like we are
the city without fear and we'regoing to fight Fisk.

(02:05:53):
End of the season.
And then post-credits scene.
Because the Punisher again noB-plots, no subplots for the
Punisher.
He talks to Anthony Petruccio,or whatever the guy's name is,
yep, and he's like come shake myhand, anthony Petruccio, from
Jersey, and he's like I want toshake your hand, I would love to
.
Mr Frank Casasar, I want toshake your hand, you're the best
and Frank's like, and I'm outof prison, which will set up the

(02:06:22):
Punisher series.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Great.
Final two episodes, yeah, yeah,one, eight and nine that's
where you want to live in thisshow, and the cohesiveness,
that's what's going to come nextseason, even down to the
filmmaking skills that theBenson and Moorhead have.
That's what I'm super excitedto see next year translated, and
I love that this show is comingout once every year.
I love it, I love it.
I love it.
This is, this is televisionyeah, they're already filming it
.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
Um, we've seen some set photos.
The black suit is coming withthe D's, the.
D's the double D's the doubleD's are on it.
He finally got the double D'sum.
Bullseye is back.
We've seen some bullseye um,and then we really don't know
much else about season two otherthan presumably, daredevil, the
anti-vigilante task force.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
I'm so ready.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
It has been confirmed that Eldon Campbell and Deborah
Ann Wall will both be back asKaren and Foggy.
How's Foggy going to be back?
I mean, I think it's going tobe revealed that he isn't
actually dead, right sure Ithink he actually is dead.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
They're going to Joel Miller him flashbacks.
Baby Foggy Nelson will return.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Foggy Nelson will remember that alright, so let's
do the part where we talk aboutall the other characters that
are going to show up next season.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Let's do that bit no, let's talk about the one
character that needs to be inthis show.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
You have to call Luke Cage.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Why was Luke Cage not the first person that you call?
One Fisk is tackled.
One he's bulletproof.
He's bulletproof Two.
He's bulletproof he answers theanti-vigilante task for carry
around guns.
Two he's bulletproof.
He's bulletproof, yep.
Three.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
He's bulletproof and super strong.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Just could have been dealt with.
Problem solved this just couldhave been dealt with Unless Fisk
tried to get Luke Cage canceled.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
Now that's a plot Takes him immediately off the
board he, yeah, so I mean theboard.
He.
Um, yeah, so I mean, let's talkabout this real quick.
There's going to be defendersin this next season.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
Oh, it's Jessica and Luke Iron Fist I would love.
The only thing I need I justneed it to be a comic, accurate
Iron Fist and I'm good, Like Ineed an Iron Fist the way they
executed Daredevil and She-Hulk.
That's the type of Iron Fistthat I want.

Speaker 2 (02:08:42):
I think they're gonna get all three of them back, yep
.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
Defenders, let's run it back.
I think they're gonna do it.
I think Elektra's coming back.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
Original actor.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
Yep, and she said I wanna play.
She said as soon as she I thinkshe was in an interview a few
days ago she literally said if Iget the call, I'm coming back.
I will be back in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
I guess, if I had to rate it in terms of likeliness,
I think Jessica Jones is 100.
I think Luke Cage is 90.
Iron Fist is probably 65, 70.
And then Elektra is probably inthe same boat.
Right, I think the Defendersare a safe bet.
All of them are a pretty safebet to come back.

(02:09:22):
Is there anyone else that couldshow up next season?

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
You made a good point , miss Marvel.
I just don't know, I guess Ijust don't know how she fits
into the Unless you like, youfind a way to like do something
where it's with Hector's niece.
It's the only thing that makessense.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
It's the only thing I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
Yeah, echo.

Speaker 1 (02:09:49):
Echo, I think is probably a little bit more of a
higher probability.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
She shows up and she's like I thought I dealt
with this already.
I'll shoot him in the headagain, I don't care's.
Like I thought I dealt withthis Right Already.
Right, I'll shoot him in thehead again, right, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
Right, that would be cool.
I think Echo comes.
Yeah, you just get the originalDefenders plus Echo, plus White
Tiger.

Speaker 2 (02:10:08):
I think we retcon Luke Cage a little bit if he's
going to show up.
Yeah, I think Thecon is him andIron Fist have been working
together.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
If you find a way because I've been preaching this
for years that's probably theeasiest show to pull off, you do
.

Speaker 2 (02:10:28):
Heroes for Hire.
I would love a retcon wherelike forget the Harlem's
Paradise stuff Luke Cage andIron Fist have been doing Heroes
for Hire for who knows?
Years, and then they just kindof come in as like a duo.
That's like yes, he'sbulletproof.
Yep, this is what we need.
We need a bulletproof superherowe need cherry.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
Cherry has like arthritis, like he's, like he
gets winded after like a block,run to chase somebody he was, he
should.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
It should have been Brett Mahoney.
Yeah, that would have been man,it's alright.
It's alright, we'll get over it.
I'm trying to think of another.
I don't think you could do,kate, at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
No, no, I think Jack Duquesne's probably the stretch
of the limit.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
I think Kate is a little like she's risen a little
bit above the street levelstuff.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Whatever Iron man told Spider-Man in Infinity War,
you're an Avenger now, alright,speaking of the blue and red
spandexed elephant in the roomSpider-Man no shot, no shot.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
You say Zero, shot, zero shot.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
You say Actually negative shot.
I'm leaving the door openBeyond negative shot.
I'm leaving the door openBeyond negative shot.

Speaker 2 (02:11:41):
I'm leaving the door open.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Beyond a negative shot.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
And the only reason I'm going to leave the door open
is because I feel like, if theyreally wanted it, disney could
strong arm Sony into letting ithappen.
They would never do it.
I think they could.

Speaker 1 (02:11:58):
Never.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Disney could strong arm it and make it happen.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
I'm adamant they're not going to find a way.
No shot, no shot.

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
I wouldn't put it past them no shot.
And then I don't know, I don'tknow who else you would possibly
conceive.
Unless you somehow ropedHawkeye in.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Which it would be the most difficult piece to do.

Speaker 2 (02:12:20):
But also logistically .
I don't know Jeremy Renner'sphysical state.
Cloak and Dagger.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
I would love that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
I don't think that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:12:30):
No, no, you find a way to get Cloak and Dagger.
And then, because you haveHector's niece, who's going to
be White Tiger, cloak and Dagger, miss Marvel.
Daredevil, funny enough, wasthe backdoor to Young Avengers
pilot.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
Yeah, I don't think Cloak and Dagger is that crazy,
it's just, I guess, my only.
It would be hard enough dealingwith Luke Cage existing in that
environment.
But Cloak and and Dyer, whohave actual powers, right, like,
how does the anti-vigilantetask force deal with that Unless
, like between season one andtwo, like Fisk gears them up to

(02:13:05):
dealing with like powered people?
You know what I mean?
Yes, because Fisk would havethe resources to do so, because
he's already name droppedSpider-Man to the.
So, like Fisk is already awarethat, like powered people exist,
right, it's not just acrobatsand maniacs that he's dealing
with.
So I think, maybe betweenseason one and two, fisk arms

(02:13:27):
the task force with a properarsenal, right, and then you can
start maybe flirting with theCloak and Daggers, because then
maybe Fisk has weapons that candeal with people with actual
powers, right.
So I could see that I thinkcloak and dagger would be a good
pull.

Speaker 1 (02:13:43):
Yep, I wonder if Fisk gets a vigilante on his not a
vigilante, but a powered personon his side.
I was thinking about that too.
Oh yeah, that's interesting.
I don't know who would it be,or if you get a new comic comic
character in there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:56):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that would be the next
evolution, when he would have toget someone like that.
Fight fire with fire, becausethen Bullseye is the wild card.
Yes, because we do.
In that super cut of people wedo see Bullseye in some type of
apartment, so it seems like he'ssettling down and kind of
retooling.
So I think there's going to bea little bit of working with

(02:14:22):
working against each other,right with him, and daredevil,
sure I?
think there's gonna be anelement of that right, where
bullseye's gonna be like come on, dude, like let's work together
to take down fisk, anddaredevil's gonna be like no, no
shot, like I'm already kind oflike flirting a line with the
punisher.

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
Right.
I kind of like him.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
Yeah you, I can't stand you Right, like that's the
line that I'm never going to bewilling to cross Right, unless
something happens where he hasto team up with Wolzak.

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
Right, agreed, agreed .

Speaker 2 (02:14:56):
Great season of TV.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
Yeah, overall, the fact that, yeah, overall, you
know, agreed Great season of TV,overall, overall.
There were some bumps, but man,my biggest thing is the fact
that they salvaged this.
Thing Is just beyond me.
And you know what?
The biggest thing that was ableto keep the glue, it's Charlie
Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio'sperformances Were the two pieces
that kept the glue.
They were the glue pieces.

Speaker 2 (02:15:17):
And were consistent Even across the old stuff and
the new stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
I can argue that was the best Charlie Cox had ever
been as Daredevil.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
You might be right.
I think you might be right andI think the reason for that is,
weirdly enough, even though,like the first three seasons
were obviously hyper-focused onhim, this first season of Born
again was hyper hyper, likethere really wasn't a lot of
side character b plot stuff,like there wasn't the netflix
series.
Like the netflix series, hadyou know, obviously had like ben

(02:15:48):
york storyline kind of like inseason one, right.
Um, season two had all the handstuff going on.
Season three had the nadimstuff, so like yeah, of course
he was the centerpiece of theshow, but this was like Matt was
in, damn near.
It was either Matt or Fisk werein damn near every scene of the
show, right, and then againcoming off that point, this was

(02:16:09):
the most we've ever seen Fisk.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:16:12):
In season one he was the specter.
Season two, he was in prison.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
And then season three we saw a lot of him, but then
in this he was a co-star.
Yes, they were legit the twoco-stars of this show, right?
Um, and I think you're right, Ithink they were able to anchor
right both creative processesright, you don't, you don't win
without the two of them.
No, absolutely not.
Um, so I'm I'm just all in alllike I'm really looking forward

(02:16:42):
to next season when this crewhas their full hands on
everything.
Not to take anything away fromthe original crew, but they just
had a creative vision that wasvastly different from what
people wanted and, frankly, what, like, we needed out of a
Daredevil show.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
Yeah, I just I don't know why they were so adamant
about what they were trying.
Maybe they really wanted tospace themselves away from the
Netflix stuff and get it moreMCU-ified.
But if something works and youdon't need to reinvent the wheel
, then why Just start to adaptand just start to evolve?
That's it, Moon Knight Tog.
Don't get me excited.
Don't get me excited to thepossibility of Oscar Isaac

(02:17:19):
saying yes to something likethat.
Would he do it because of theJesus show or the Jesus movie?
Doing a Jesus movie and then aDead?

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
Devil thing, I would say Moon Knight's more likely
than Cloak and Dagger.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
Oh, one gazoogle percent, of course, like the
Cloak and Dagger's.
That's like the negative, likethe 10th percent it could be.
That's like the negative, likethe 10th percent it could be but
, the, the moon knight stuff man.
The moon is watching, the moonis watching man.
What I would give to get moonknight in there with them
werewolf by night, I'm kiddingman thing no, yo get werewolf by

(02:17:53):
night in secret wars.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
He better be in there I would just like to see the
task force respond to moonknight.
They'd be like what?

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
the yeah.
What is this, mayor Fisk?
You're never going to believethis man.
This guy was attached to themoon.
Somehow it gave him powers.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
He was attached to the moon.
He threw a freaking moon at me.
He threw the moon at me.

Speaker 1 (02:18:14):
Man, I didn't know what to do.
Mr Fisk, please, I need thisjob.
Bring back the Luke Cage goons.
Okay, so we're going to go on arant about Luke Cage for two
minutes.
Luke Cage many people wouldhave thought, especially after
the first six episodes of seasonone, is like a whatever Guy's

(02:18:35):
cool whatever Show wasn't asgreat after that.
I wholeheartedly disagree afterwatching him fight, because
there's no reason.
A Luke Cage fight scene, a LukeCage show, should have better
fight scenes than an Iron Fistshow.
But it did.
Listen, listen.
Luke Cage is a problem.
He boinks people on the headand they just fall.
They go unconscious.

(02:18:55):
He owes the city $3.7 billion inproperty damage.
He catches grenades and justeats them.
Why was he not the first callKaren?
That's the first guy you call.
That is the first guy you call.
You call Luke Cage.
I need this handled.

Speaker 2 (02:19:14):
Put some of those goons on the task force Dog.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Wait, you're Luke Cage.
Ugh Snap, you're Luke Cage.
Ugh Snap, you're Luke Cage.
I didn't mean that.
Shout out that guy.
All the guns that would be bentfrom the task force, the gun
budget would have to be tripledfor the amount of guns that he's
bending.
Yeah, you gotta call Luke Cage.
You just call Luke Cage.
I'm Luke Cage, I'm Luke.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Cage, damn, get him in there.
Just call Luke Cage.
I need these defenders on myscreen expeditiously.
I'm sorry, I just do Call LukeCage.
I don't want to be that guy,but I think it would be just
super cool to see them all again, even Iron Fist, I think, in
the right hands.
I think it could be cool.
I think Finn Jones can act.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
I think it would be cool.
He has one last and he said it.
He was just on the thing and hesaid, like I understand Well, I
forget what con he was at, buthe's just like I understand.
I get it, but like I just wantone more shot, I think they
should give him said shot, man.

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
Yeah, Like I think I've got to imagine that's where
this season two is going.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
He's going to get the defenders back together?

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
Yep, because look man , we did the bit with the Dragon
Bones.
It was kind of weird.
This is Morak speed.
We're saving the city and youknow he can recruit them out of
like.
Maybe all the defenders aredown on their luck, Maybe not.
Jessica Jones is almostcertainly down on her luck.

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
Yeah, no, that's kind of where perpetually she stays
at.

Speaker 2 (02:20:44):
Like Daredevil gets into a bar and there's Jessica
Jones, just unconscious, right.
All right, get up.
You have a higher calling, jess, and she's going to tell him to
screw off and then she'll showup.
Yep, and then she'll be there.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Much like the Punisher question mark.
He was down there.
They would get along the bestout of everybody that would be
great.

Speaker 2 (02:21:03):
I would love to see the defenders mix it up with the
Punisher, because he was kindof by himself you ain't Maurice,
you the Punisher.

Speaker 1 (02:21:16):
That guy is incredible that's my favorite
part.

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
Colt was like Frank Castle's here.
Well see ya see ya officerwe're all dead.
We're all dead.
Officer North, do you needbackup?
Frank Castle's here, so I'mhearing, is you don't?

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
need backup?

Speaker 2 (02:21:32):
no, I do he said he doesn't need backup Guys.
Yeah, we're good.
What did he say?
He said Frank Castle's there.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
He said alright, guys , I think we should all take
lunch.

Speaker 2 (02:21:46):
Let's all go back to Red Hook fellas.
We will not be dealing withthat, you guys want to hit
Subway on the way back?

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
Guys, this is not for us.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
No, thanks.
I'd rather be conked on thehead by Luke Cage than be
murdered by the Punisher.
Thanks, yeah.
Any final thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
I'm looking forward to the season 2.
I love the year in, year outthing.
Man, this is television we'reless than a year away from the
next season do more of this withmore main characters, not like
your C and D list.
Give us more B and A listcharacters that just have
television shows.
I'm trying to think of who else?
A Heroes for Hire show?
That's a 10.

Speaker 2 (02:22:25):
I mean, I think they really have an opportunity to do
stuff like this.
Mm-hmm.
I just saw a tweet that sayswhat does Mayor Fisk plan to
address the void taking over hiscity?
Great point, Great point.

Speaker 1 (02:22:43):
Where is Mayor Fisk during the Sentry crisis,
nowhere to be found, just likeCommissioner.

Speaker 2 (02:22:48):
Powell, I mean in Fisk's defense.
He would be like well, theSentry's not a vigilante, he
doesn't wear a mask.

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
No, that's the government taking oversight.
The government maybe want toregister.
The government ought toregister these beings and Ross
is somewhere.
We tried that.
They threw me in prison.
They threw me in prison.
You think Fisk is going toaddress that.
The president turned into a RedHulk.
No Missed opportunity.

Speaker 2 (02:23:14):
Man.
What if Luke Cage runs againstFisk for the next mayoral
election?

Speaker 1 (02:23:16):
Oh, I was actually thinking about that.
I'm not even jokingLegitimately.
I was thinking about that youget the guy from Harlem to run
and you get the guy from Harlemthat got the whole.
It's funny, we were justwatching those clips before we
hopped on.
He was the heart and soul ofHarlem.
To get that to run against Fiskwould be something.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
Someone that can't be intimidated.

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
No something, someone that can't be intimidated.
No, physically too, you get in.
Fifth, it should be the otherway around.

Speaker 2 (02:23:43):
Fish should be like oh boy, it's just throwing goons
across the room.

Speaker 1 (02:23:47):
Um, that'd be cool this is gonna hate when the
fantastic four show up in newyork.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
Yeah what about the?

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
spider guy from youtube and he was name dropped.
Right spider-man was namedropped this season yeah, it was
.

Speaker 2 (02:24:03):
Yeah, yep, spider-man was name dropped.
Um, that was it.
That was the only name.
Well, miss barbara wasobviously name dropped and her
funko pop was shown um I meanmiss marvel could show up.
I just, it's kamala just.

Speaker 1 (02:24:18):
Give me, like a B-plot, kamala and White Tiger
little.

Speaker 2 (02:24:22):
Yeah, I don't need Kamala existing in the same
world where people are gettingtheir heads ripped off.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
No, no, I need like a Batman-esque Superman type of
like a Not Batman v Superman, aBatman and Superman, like one's
like, Like what's going on inBrooklyn?
Maybe yeah like one's like alighter half and it's Kamal, and
the other one's White Tiger andthey're just like.
I can't stand you.
Well, I just want to help.
Yeah, kamal is busy.
She's putting together theYoung Avengers.

Speaker 2 (02:24:44):
Yeah, I think she might also be like in, like the
Kate Bishop.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:24:48):
She might be a little bit above.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
Also, why is Amman Villani not been in anything for
three years?

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Her and Simu Liu can have an actors-on-actors
conversation about that.
No, what am I saying?

Speaker 1 (02:24:59):
When did the Marvels come out?
2024?
Yeah, never mind, just kidding,just kidding, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
Anthony.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
Mackie unfortunately had to go through that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
She didn't get blackballed, like Simu Liu did.
Yeah, I just don't know what hedid to anybody on planet Earth.
That's Daredevil Born Again.
It was a real fun time.
Not for Gallo, no, just keepyour mouth shut.

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
Yeah, pro was yapping about his master plan to take
down Fisk To Fisk To.

Speaker 2 (02:25:27):
Fisk To his face.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
He said it I'm going to take you down and then I'm
going to go be the commissionerof Gotham City.
You see, this stash, thisdoesn't grow on trees.
I'm Commissioner Gallo, youshould dab.

Speaker 2 (02:25:39):
You're working with this guy, Jim.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
That's what he reminded me of.
You're protecting this guy, jim.
That's what he reminded me of.
That's my favorite characterfrom the Batman movie, the one.
What was he?
He seems like a deputy orsomething.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:54):
You're protecting this guy, jim.
I got you on assaulting anofficer, now you got me on
assaulting three.
Yo listen, robert Pattinson washim as Batman.
Get out of here, freak, beforethat suit gets all full of blood
, mine or yours.
Wait a minute, wait a second,wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:26:14):
Yeah, that's it, we're done here.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Guess what we're doing next week.
We're talking about Sinnersnext week.
Yeah, we finally get to doCinema again.

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
Yeah, what's the last Cinema thing that we did?
Venom.

Speaker 1 (02:26:22):
Nope, not even close.
What is the last Cinema thingwe did, morbius?
Nope, nope.
What's the last Cinema thing wedid Hold?

Speaker 2 (02:26:31):
on.
I forget what.
The last Cinema thing we didMovie-wise I don't know, TV-wise
it was definitely Shogun, itmight have been.

Speaker 1 (02:26:40):
It couldn't have been Oppenheimer.
That was in July.

Speaker 2 (02:26:42):
We didn't even do Oppenheimer because it was a
strike.

Speaker 1 (02:26:45):
Oh, that's right.
We still have to reviewOppenheimer at some point.
Hang on, it's going to punishyou.

Speaker 2 (02:26:56):
We're talking a movie , right?
Yes Jesus, it's been a while.
The Fall Guy.
Technically, I guess that'scinema.

Speaker 1 (02:27:06):
I think it's the last one which was last June.

Speaker 2 (02:27:09):
Wow, all right, this is good then.
Yeah, so we'll do Sinners nextweek for sure, probably a little
bit of Thunderbolts, preview-ytalk.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
And then by then, so we'll do Sinners next week,
thunderbolts will be the weekafter, and the week after that
we would do Andor.
Andor would be over by then.

Speaker 1 (02:27:31):
Yeah, it would, man, I can't wait to see the rest of
Andor.

Speaker 2 (02:27:36):
Yeah, so Sinners.
Next week the Ryan Cooglerdirected, critically acclaimed
horror film.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
Is it an all-time?
That's what the streets aresaying.
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
I'm going to see it, hopefully this week.
I'll see it.
You've seen it, no?

Speaker 1 (02:27:53):
I actually didn't see it, so we will be, we will.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
So I'll try and see it this week.
It will be seen, and then wewill.
I'll try and see it this week.
It will be seen.
We'll review that next weekwith a little Thunderbolt spice.
I can't wait for.

Speaker 1 (02:28:07):
Thunderbolt Can't wait, I'm not going to spoil
myself.
I won't do it.
I heard the phrase this is thegreatest post-credit scene in
history.
I'm holding strong.
The information is out there.
I'm mad we didn't get thatpre-screening.
I tried I know, I tried, it'sall right.
It's all right Next time, nexttime baby, next time baby.

(02:28:27):
I didn't think we were going toend with it.

Speaker 2 (02:28:32):
Terrence Howard.
A war machine shows up.

Speaker 1 (02:28:35):
The Punisher's like what is that?
What is?

Speaker 2 (02:28:36):
that?
Is that a black Iron mancostume?
Is that an Iron man suit withheaps of guns on it?

Speaker 1 (02:28:41):
what is?

Speaker 2 (02:28:41):
that Castle Oaks and the War Machine Armored does
like the Hulk from Infinity War,from Endgame he's like.
It's like I was made for thiswho gave the Punisher the War
Machine Armored?

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
he would deal with Doom.
He would Doom would be dealtwith.
If you saw the new Daredevilcomics or no, the end of the
Zdarsky run.
Like Daredevil and like thePunisher were like both
mystically imbued and like werehaving like these, like titan
like this, absolutely grandbattles against each other on

(02:29:13):
like dragons.
That sounds amazing.
Listen, man.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
That sounds unhinged.
It was unhinged, but it soundsamazing.
I don't think the Punisherneeds to be mystical, imbued
with anything.

Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
Yeah, no, the biggest mistake they did was give him
the War Machine armor.

Speaker 2 (02:29:27):
Yeah, no, no.
We can't do anything else likethat.
We can't do that ever again.
Giving him one gun is alreadytoo much.

Speaker 1 (02:29:40):
It's too many.
They should give him the IronFist guns.
I just thought of anothercharacter to add into the Star
Wars universe, specifically intothat Starfighter movie Keanu
Reeves.
Oh yeah, that'd be cool.
It's like the stoic Jedi, ohbring.
Colleen back for Daredevil Suresure she's a better Iron Fist.
Danny Rand, you have to proveto me that you're the better
Iron Fist.
Don't start.
Don't do this.
Davros was a better Iron Fist.

(02:30:00):
You have to prove to me, danny,that you're a better Iron Fist.
Luke Cage would be a betterIron Fist.
Technically.
Luke Cage would be anincredible Iron Fist.
He would be.
Misty Knight would have to comeback.

Speaker 2 (02:30:11):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:30:13):
You have Dawson back, but actually make her Night
Nurse.

Speaker 2 (02:30:16):
Instead of just making her Rosario Dawson.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Alright, let's get out of here.
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(02:30:37):
Sinners From me, from theDaredevil.

Speaker 1 (02:30:47):
Daredevil born again.
Don't call me Cherry, Don'teven think about it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:54):
No, no, that one's too sad, damn.
Every guy in this show sucks,except for Daredevil.
Why am I struggling so hardwith this?
From that one Irish bank robberin the podcast?

Speaker 1 (02:31:13):
I don't like you, solicitor.
I don't like you, solicitor, Idon't like you.
That was pretty.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
I don't like you, solicitor.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
I don't like you.

Speaker 2 (02:31:21):
That was pretty good.
That was a pretty good Irishaccent.

Speaker 1 (02:31:24):
I'm one-sixteenth Irish.
That's a real fact.
Nice, yeah, that wasn't bad.
I like that.
I am Banshees of Endoshiran.
You used to be nice, or wereyou never nice?

Speaker 2 (02:31:35):
I don't like you, so I said I how did Colin Farrell
balance that?

Speaker 1 (02:31:38):
and then, hey, vic, vic, we're gonna take this city,
vic.

Speaker 2 (02:31:44):
Yeah, I don't remember that guy's name, but he
was.
I enjoyed him in that episode 5.

Speaker 1 (02:31:47):
It was goon number one.

Speaker 2 (02:31:48):
He was great.
No, he was a little more than agoon Goon Leader number one, st
Paddy's Day Goon Leader numberone.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
I'm telling you, man, he should be the new Turk, but
actually a little bit likeThat'd be great.
I'm telling you, every seasonhis technology gets a little
better Until he gets like StarkTech in the last one.
I would love that.
And then Ironheart has to showup.
I would, yeah.
He just gets a little bettereach time at bank.
Robbie banks.
More of that guy, please hegets one episode every season.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
Yeah, that'd be great , it'd be tremendous.
And somehow him and matt justkeep running into each other at
the bank oh no.

Speaker 1 (02:32:28):
And he finds out matt's daredevil one to like in
season five.
You're not the dad, or?

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
funny enough, he keeps going into banks where
they're just random defenders.
Oh my god, the luke cage onewould be the most unfair one no,
the Luke Cage one would be themost unfair one.

Speaker 1 (02:32:39):
No, the Luke Cage one would be the most unfair.
But that's when he should havethe best technology, Like he
should just have Stark techready to go.

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
Every time he robs a bank, there's a random defender
in the bank.
Or just a random.

Speaker 1 (02:32:50):
MCU character in the bank, but the Punisher can't be
there.
No, no, no, no.
They'd be pretty good.
Sam would be fun.
Danny Ramirez is Falcon.
Yeah, joaquin would be funny.

Speaker 2 (02:33:07):
Yeah, because I'm trying to think of people that
would be good in their civilian.
Nick Fury funny enough would behilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:33:12):
in there he must be out of your mind.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
Blade.
That's the first appearance ofBlade.
This is in the bank beingrobbed.

Speaker 1 (02:33:27):
Korg hey, hey, no, korg's been blacklisted he has
been Tiger Wittini's nevertouching Marvel ever again.

Speaker 2 (02:33:37):
Gore the God Butcher.

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
Gore the God Butcher.
Yo Just kidding Gore the GodButcher as like a US American
civilian would be the funniestthing.
Oh man, Incredible Luke Cagewould be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:33:51):
Yeah, all right guys, we'll see you next week.
We're going to review Sinners.
That should be a real fun time,yeah it should we both love
Ryan Coogler on this podcast.
Yeah, we do, so I'm excited totalk about that movie.
You're talking about the filmsizes and the different, and
people are into it like peoplewho aren't even into film are
like watch that interview andthey're like yeah, man wait, is

(02:34:11):
Phil?

Speaker 1 (02:34:11):
they were like, is Phil making cool?

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