152 - Thunderbolts* Review: A Broken Team Faces Their Inner Demons - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
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We got you covered.
I'm rob.
I'm here, as always, with court, court.
How's it going, man?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
doing well, doing great.
Just saw a top three marvelmovie of my time he's starting.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
He's starting top five.
He's starting.
Definitely it's a top 10.
It's definitely top 20 I wouldsay top 36.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's definitely in the top 36, for sure it's in the
top 35, thor love and thunderis automatically out is it
better than ant-man quantumania?
Yes, we will answer thosequestions.
No, it's answered.
We don't know for sure.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
We do know it's yes but yes, uh, this episode is all
about the thunderbolts or thenew avengers, whatever you want.
Just spoil, no, no, no, theyspoiled it themselves.
They did so.
Whatever you want to call it,that's what we saw this weekend
or this past week, and, yeah,we're going to talk about
everything about it.
It was, I think, everythingthat it was advertised to be.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It really was.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Which is, you know, we said this.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think we really said this when they released
that, like we're doing an actualfilm trailer and we were like,
if you're gonna do that, youbetter back it up.
And they did they really did.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
So we're gonna talk about the Thunderbolts,
everything involved writing,directing characters, all that
stuff, because it's definitelyyou know, it's one of those ones
that, like, I don't feel likewe're obligated to talk about.
It's like one that I reallywant to talk.
You know, it's one of thoseones that, like, I don't feel
like we're obligated to talkabout.
It's like one that, like, Ireally want to talk about.
You know.
So I don't think we're going tobe at a loss for things to say.
But first, we really truthfullydon't have much news to talk

(01:54):
about.
So we were just going to talkabout the Last of Us again, much
like we did last time lastseason, right, where we were
just like, eh, might as welljust talk about this thing,
right.
So episode three and four havecome out since we spoke last.
The show continues to be reallyreally good, really high
quality production.
I continue to really enjoy theinsurgents from, you know, from

(02:20):
the game.
You know not thedifferentiations, but just the
expansions on stuff from thegame.
You know the, not thedifferentiations, but just the
expansions on stuff from thegame.
Um, that episode three inparticular, I thought was really
good um, because I think it wasneil druckman that said it and
like kind of like the post show,um, because of the nature of
the game, the narrative of thegame, like they never really got
the chance to mourn joel andlike really show that loss.

(02:44):
So you get that one little bitwhere you're in the house, um
with Ellie, but in this youreally saw a the aftermath of
Joel's death be the aftermath ofthe attack on Jackson and like
how the community kind ofrallied together and rebuilt.
And then you get this reallyinteresting quandary of you know
, valuing the life of one personversus the community.

(03:08):
Um is really what theme kind ofemerges on episode three, and I
thought that was reallyinteresting.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know what makes this truthfully a special season
of television so far forepisodes in is.
You know you're begging thequestion and it's what you play
in the game and it's always myargument when I talk about the
last of us right, especiallypart two is loss sucks, it hurts
, it's never good and nobodyever wants to go through it.

(03:36):
However, we all go through itand I think they're doing a
great, great job accentuatingthat.
You know, understanding thatellie's emotional journey that
she's going on right now, likethe flow of joel through jackson
, will never be as impactful ofhis.
You know of what he did toellie and you know but it's such

(03:57):
a great backdrop to see howthis town is affected, like
that's how important he is now.
Multiply that by a hundred andthat's what she, that's what
Joel meant to her and that's whyit stings so bad.
You know, and that episodethree, like episode two was, you
know it was the episode and youknow to backfill that with
episode three and you knowthat's the fallout episode

(04:19):
especially, and you know it didsuch a great job of
understanding this.
You know the through line thatpeople grieve differently, like
you see Tommy trying to bestrong and go forward and people
are complaining that that's notgame.
Tommy, I said I think he'll getthere, like I think he's going
to break it.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I think he's already there?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I do think he's there .
I just think he's trying to putup the front that he's not
there, just in the sense I mean.
I also mean like I think he'sliterally there.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, Like I think we're going to get the reveal
that he's been in Seattle.
Right, you know, I think iswhat's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, and you know I was talking to you about this
before but Isabella Marced asDina, you know you want to talk
about bolstering your characterfrom the game.
I think Isabella Marced takesthat and just revolutionizes it.
She is phenomenal as Dina and Imean she plays off the youthful
exuberance of which Ellie hasas well too.

(05:11):
I think the game, you know, Ithink there's a bigger level of
maturity in the game.
I think it's refreshing thatthey're still you know they're
19, 20, however old they are,they're still kids that like you
feel, like they're like in thatpost teenage stage of their
life where they think they haveeverything figured out, they
think they're bulletproof, theythink they're invincible, but

(05:33):
then the real life stuff startshappening.
Like you know, dean is pregnant.
You know Ellie's going throughthis major loss.
Dean is also going through thismajor loss, like those things
that start happening the olderyou get and the older, the more
you get into adulthood.
Like it's one of these unsungthings I don't think people are
really realizing.
I think they're doing a reallygreat job at, and I mean the
performances are just, it's justmasterful.
You know, you know, and it all,to be honest, it all starts

(05:55):
with bella ramsey, and you knowher leading this and and how
strong, how strong they are,it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So yeah, I think your point about isabella marcetta
is one that we kind of clockedafter the first episode, when,
like her first scene, you'relike oh yep, like she's gonna be
like the darling of this, yeah,of the season, which is great
because dina in the game is iswell written, but I wouldn't
necessarily say she's like astandout or like this kind of
like fan favorite character,whereas isabella the way is I

(06:24):
said I think I said it when wetalked about the first two
episodes like she comes acrossas this, like fun, loving, like
lighthearted, like almost likepost-apocalyptic hippie Right
Kind of Like.
She just has this vibe to herthat like she, she brings.
She's a great contrast forEllie.
So I'm curious to see how,obviously knowing the story that

(06:45):
unfolds between the two of them, I'm curious to see how her
character evolves alsothroughout the rest of the show.
And then episode three also isspearheaded by this town hall
meeting where they, which, again, is not something that we see
in the game, where the townliterally puts up the council

(07:05):
votes on this kind of likemotion to send a party to
Jackson to get revenge forJoel's death.
They let everyone who wants tospeak speak and honestly, like
every side makes a good point,right.
You know, I know there was thatone woman that spoke where she
was.
Like you know, we all love joel, like we love ellie, but like

(07:26):
we're still recovering as acommunity and like you know, we
can't send 16, like what, if,what, if we get attacked again,
like what you know.
And then ellie pipes up withthis.
You know, I thought it wasfunny, like she tries to be
measured and she tries to beappeal, but like that's not
ellie, no, and like everyonekind of realizes that I think
the one part that really wasellie was when she spoke to
maria right kind of directly,when she was like you are a

(07:49):
prosecutor, like you used to dothis right, like justice is what
I want.
I don't want revenge, but, likeeveryone, the only person that
seems to like understand ellie'sperspective funny enough, and I
kind of like this insertion wasseth.
You know, I don't know if wecan can even call him Seth the
homophobe anymore Like he.
You know he he kind of showed alittle once a homophobe, always
a homophobe.
He showed a little somethingthis last episode.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean it's the understanding.
He said the argument iscompelling.
He said you know, if we letthem do it's a, now they're
gonna do it.
Somebody's gonna do it to usagain.
Like we have to show the powerof jackson, we have to show how
formidable we are.
Like we can't just stand, youknow, we let a man like joel

(08:31):
miller just die for nothing.
Like we have to stand and showthat we are, you know, we are
jackson.
Like this we mean something.
And like nobody can just walkin here and do whatever they
want to us, whether that be theinfected or other people I
thought he was going with themat one point.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, he might have.
He has that limp now.
I was like wait.
I was like are we going to getan extra companion here?
Is Seth going to die early?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
He could have died early, he's just an added
companion.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was not expecting that.
And then the town votes tostrike down the motion and
Ellie's like well yeah.
I'm going, I'm going myself andI'm going out there because I'm
an Avenger, yeah, and then theykind of say goodbye to Joel on
the way out and they end up inSeattle Like I was really
curious, I was curious.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Dog, that scene where Ellie goes to Joel's grave.
I hate you, Craig Mazin.
I hate you.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, it's funny because you always the tether of
the first part, like the storyis like these two are bonding,
not just because of thefather-daughter relationship but
because they truly are kind oflike the same type of person and
you're kind of seeing ellieadopt that like I.
Never really it's funny, like I.
There was symbolism in the gamethat I never really caught
until I saw it in live action.
It's the scene where Ellieopens the box and it's Joel's
watch and then his revolverunderneath it.

(09:51):
You can really weigh that, asthe watch represents Joel's
humanity and the gun representsthe person that he tried not to
be but was always drawn to.
Like I said, it didn't strikeme in the game because the game
obviously forces you to take therevolver, because it's like, oh
, you know, like I said, itdidn't strike me in the game
because, like, the gameobviously forces you to take the
revolver, because it's like, oh, you unlocked a new weapon.
You know what I mean.
But in the show you kind oflike take yourself out of it and

(10:11):
you look at the actualsymbolism there, where she
bypasses the watch and grabs therevolver because that's the
person that she wants to be.
That's the person Even goingback to when she first meets
Joel in season one, when hebeats the crap out of that Fedra
guard.
Ellie's kind of into it, right,you know what I mean.
So we're starting to see thatdarker nature emerge from her.

(10:33):
And it's funny.
We're going to talk about theThunderbolts and we're going to
talk about darker natures, butthat's what's happening with
Ellie, right?
And then?
So I mean, episode three isgreat, obviously, we get to
Seattle, we get the introductionof the Seraphites.
Briefly, how do you feel about?
Does the Seraphite stuff thatthey've done so far feel like of

(10:55):
those who know, those who don'tknow?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I don't.
I wouldn't even take it as that.
I think I take it as more ofthe you're getting the through
line of the cycle of violence.
Like you know, the subtlety isnot too subtle.
Like yeah, because JeffreyWright also throws around, like
Isaac throws the line out.
Like you know, we started it.
Who started it?
I don't care about this BS.
Like let's like, let's get onwith it.
Like that's the truth, like whostarted this?

(11:20):
Like same thing for Ellie, samething for Abby who?
Like same thing for Ellie, samething for Abby.
Who started this?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Like we can say that Joel started this.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
We can say that you know why were you operating on
Ellie in the first place.
We can say, you know why wereus on the path of violence, like
on the cycle of violence, whogot us here?
So I wouldn't even take it asthat, I think.
I just think.
I take it more as like it's ahe said, she said game, like you
know I thought it was donereally well too.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh my god, episode three kind of you're introduced
to the seraphites, which I meanyou don't know that's what
they're called, but like we knowwhat they're called um and then
they get massacred right andyou're like these wlf guys are
no good.
And then you pivot to episodefour where you see what the
seraphites have now done in theradio station and you're like
jesus christ, it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Perspective is one of the most important tools in
filmmaking.
Isn't in storytelling, isn'tthat crazy?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
um, so yeah, I mean they.
They get to Seattle.
And then episode four has a lotof really impactful moments,
starting with, obviously, theintroduction of Jeffrey Wright
as Isaac.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I thought you were going to say the introduction of
Josh Peck.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Josh Peck.
What are you doing here?
What are you doing here?
I saw someone post the saidJosh Peck in the Last of Us, and
then it was that meme of thepolar bear in Arlington Texas.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
But, yeah.
He was the perfect federalsoldier for lack of a better
term.
Yeah, like this hyperbolic,humorous ridden like bro the
apocalypse dude.
Yeah, nothing to me.
Like just a giant these peoplethink they can do whatever we
want.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
He's the guy from high school that grew up to go
into the military.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You and John Walker Kind of Three-time state champs.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Go, bears I don't know why he needed to say that
they were talking about theirchildhood teams.
We get Jeffrey Wright obviouslyas Isaac, which is something I
know.
You and I both have beenwaiting for this as soon as it
was announced that he would bereturning.
We've been waiting for this assoon as it was announced that he
would be returning.
Funny that, like people whoobviously didn't play the game,
didn't understand the fact thatJeffrey Wright was already in

(13:31):
the game.
They're like they got JeffreyWright to be in the video game,
like yeah, and now like it justfeels good that like the whole
time we were going through thisprocess of this season 2 being
made, they were like surely theyhave to get Jeffrey Wright back
as Isaac, right?
And then Neil Druckmann waslike yeah, this was the one
casting that we needed to do.
And I'm like, yeah, of course Iagree because, as opposed to

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every other pretty much everyother character from the game,
jeffrey Wright did the mo-capfor Isaac, so age was never an
issue the look was never anissue.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know, the look was never an issue.
Like he could just come up intoplaying Isaac, actually.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, and then obviously he brings his, you
know that unique gravitas thatonly Jeffrey Wright can bring Um
and he's incredible.
Um, I love that we're gettingthis much Isaac early, right, um
, cause he's not, comparatively,he's not in the game a ton.
Funny enough, he really onlyserves as an antagonist to Abby

(14:30):
at a certain point.
So it's really fun to see himand I'm interested that they're
introducing him this early, whenit doesn't feel like we're
going to really see Abby againuntil maybe the end of the
season, right?
So I think it's interestingthat they are bringing Isaac in
to kind of it almost feels likethey're bringing Isaac in to
make you hate the WLF more.

(14:52):
Sure, yep, because I think.
I think what I'm thinking isthey're going to eventually drop
the other shoe and that, like,abby and Isaac are kind of
clashing.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right Yep.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
And you're going to.
That's when you're going to belike, oh, like.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
this whole crew isn't like monsters?
No, no.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Like and Abby is kind of like you're.
You're kind of like introducingIsaac as a way to make Abby a
little less extreme.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Um, which I think is interesting, because right now,
what you're thinking as a showviewer is like oh, this WLf
group is unhinged, yeah, andthey're just all these like
hyper violent, just likemilitaristic people, because
look who their leader is rightum, and then you know I'm
assuming the other on the otherfoot, you're gonna see that like

(15:36):
abby is not totally abby's, youknow.
You even see it in the firstepisode.
Like abby, whole reason forjoining the WLF was literally to
get resources.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
They were never really on board with Isaac's
entire mission, Right.
Obviously they gotindoctrinated, Right, Because
you see that scene later onwhere he's interrogating the
Seraphite Isaac's like you're acult and the Seraphite's like
you're a cult.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, yep.
I'm not going to lie the linethat the Seraphite hit him with.
He said how many of your wolveshave left and joined our cause,
and how many of us have left tojoin you?
None.
When he put his other hand down, he said I'm about this life.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah.
No, I thought all the Isaacstuff was incredible, it's just
backed by Jeffrey Wright.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I mean, you're talking about an all-time actor
that you get put into the show,and I'm obviously talking about
Josh Peck.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Man, yeah, just let Jeffrey Wright cook.
Give him a good monologue.
Let him cook, literally.
Give him a copper pan orwhatever the hell he was talking
about.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Of course it doesn't conduct heat the same way.
That was a good Jeffrey Wrightimpression, I'm like ah, I'm
learning, I am learning.
Anytime Jeffrey Wright's onscreen talking about something.
I am learning about something.
Let me tell you something I'mtelling you.
I said you think JohnBertholdt's always trying to
tell us about something.
Jeffrey Wright also tries totell us about something, but he
don't tell us he's telling yousomething.

(17:00):
He just starts.
He informs you, he doesn't tellyou he informs you that man is
an informative pamphlet.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, he brought that .
He brought that man out of thevan he said get out, get out
here, learn something, learnsomething.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I'm like all right hand or hand, hand or hand
what's the deal with hand orhand?
she's I what I think it is.
I think she was the likefounder of the wlf and then the
wlf took the Fedra resourcesbecause they overthrew Fedra and
then Isaac started to risethrough the like.
The two of them are running itand I feel like her part of WLF
is clashing with Isaac's rightnow, like I think that's what

(17:34):
the problem is, and Abbyprobably leans more with
Hanrahan, like this, you know wewant to liberate us, like
that's what the WLF is like andyou know the theme that's going
to go with that is they'returning into their oppressors.
That's what Isaac's physicallyturning himself into.
He's turning himself back intoFedra without him even knowing,
and you know the kid that hesaved is literally the
definition of this.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that they kept that kidaround to show like that
indoctrination.
Yeah, and what Isaac's kind ofbecome in the years since he
betrayed Fedra?
Yep, I'm super.
And I do wonder if they'regoing to keep Isaac running in
the background of the rest ofthe season.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think that would be kind of cool yeah.
And I wonder, now that we seethis side, I hope they give the
Scars the same treat, do I?
Can I not call them the scars?
Is that a slur?
Yes, crap.
I hope they give the seraphitesno, don't cancel me in the last
of us universe.
I hope they give the theseraphites the same treatment
and, like I said, I hope thatthey find like they actually do.
I want to see the mother like.

(18:37):
I want to see the inception ofwhat the seraphites were,
because you know, josh, joshpeck's character was talking
about.
He said he said, you know, andit was 11 years earlier, she was
like I don't know, it was someguy handing out some religious
crap, like who cares?
And then they turned into theSeraphites, yeah, and it seemed
like they were coexisting, likethe WLF and the Seraphites were

(18:58):
coexisting in Seattle, you wouldhave loved Heath Ledger's the
Joker.
Yeah, you would have, yeah, youwould have, yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And then I mean obviously, on the flip side of
what we get with Isaac, we getwith Ellie and Dina.
Day one, yeah, but it's very.
They're doing the game.
They're doing the game.
We were wrong.
We were wrong.
They're just going to do thegame, but I do feel like it's
paced much better than the gamewas, because they cut out all
the game stuff Because it's athree-day split.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
So day one, episode four.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm assuming episode five.
Well, I guarantee you they'regoing to do a whole episode of
flashback stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, I think episode four was day one.
Episode five will be day two.
Episode six will be theflashback plus the eugene
episode.
Yeah, so they'll probably tiethe eugene episode into whatever
the you know, when ellie andjoel go on the astronaut mission
, and then episode seven will beday three yeah, and then abby
will you know, and then abbywill come back.

(20:01):
You know spoilers, for if youhaven't played the game, this is
your time to get out of here.
Three, two, one We'll killJesse and Tommy will show back
up.
And then season three you flipit and you literally I'm telling
you literally do exactly whatyou did in season two, just make
it from Abby's perspective.
So episode two of season threecould still be the same thing,

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just flip to Abby's perspective.
You can do the same exact thing.
And then episode three, day one, or episode three will be the
fallout of this at the WLFheadquarters.
Episode four, day one.
Episode five, day two.
Episode six can be youremotional catharsis, and episode
seven is day three.
And then season fouressentially, you can do Santa
Clara in season four.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that that feels exactlywhat they're going to do,
because obviously the nextepisode is Ellie goes to the
hospital, yep, where a bigmoment unfurls there.
I hate the stalker so much man.
But in this episode we get thetake on me scene.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I hate you, Craig Mazin.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Which was great.
Likella ramsey did an amazingjob oh yeah doing that.
They're phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
As ellie, and then again to you, like the isabella
marseille point, like her justexpressions in that scene she
looked like she felt, like youknow how good of an actor you
need to like, accentuate fallingin love with somebody and
express that in a moment.
Like that's a moment, yeah, andlike that's what falling in
love is.
It's like a series or it's onemoment that it happens, yeah I

(21:34):
was just she's, so she'smagnetic.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, there's no other way to say it yeah, it's
amazing like everything.
And then we get to the WLFradio tower and that harrowing
sequence with what theSeraphites did to those WLF
soldiers.
And you're like holy shit man,and they used real people for

(21:58):
that.
Yeah, they did they used stuntpeople for that to obviously
make it look more real, peoplefor that to make it look,
obviously make it look more real.
Um, and then you know, I, youknow I see the complaints about
like, oh, like in the game, likethe wlf radio tower was this
big like action sequence whereyou kill 50 million wf soldiers.
I'm like that's not practical,like for a tv show like ellie

(22:20):
can only do so much that youknow you in quote-unquote real
life from the game.
So like, yeah, like her killinga couple of WLF soldiers is
probably better than her killing50 of them.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Right, because she's not.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
The game obviously makes it seem like she's like
this unstoppable killing machine, but that's because it's a
video game.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's the same way, like the Uncharted games, like.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Nathan Drake.
Nathan Drake's a superhero.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
He's a superhero.
You kill like a hundred peoplein like every mission, right, so
like.
Whereas, like you watch theUncharted movie and like you
know, he fights like a coupleguys.
Right Like throughout the wholemovie.
Like that's, you gotta kind ofcurb your thought there Right

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and then cue into the subwaysequence which, again, this crew
has mastered.
These infected encounters, notonly the infected encounters.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's the production design.
I was just having aconversation about the show.
It doesn't matter what you get.
If you're given something, makethe most out of it, and this is
the definition of making themost out of what's given.
The production design on theshow is absurdly good, like down
to the very last of what'sgiven.
The production design on theshow is absurdly good, Like down
to the very last of the lastdetails.
It's insane how good it is.

(23:30):
Like that subway lookedphenomenal.
The WLF headquarters looksphenomenal.
Like it's just insane that thisis the level that we're getting
.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it's wild and I would really really strongly
encourage everyone who watchesthese episodes to to um stay for
after the after, like the nexttime on the last of us and stay
for, like the, the making of theepisode um, because you see how
much work goes into um.
I think they said they used anabandoned newspaper factory for

(23:59):
the subway, uh, set um and it'sjust, it's awesome, um, and then
you get.
You get a real feel for, likethe infected, are these people
in, like these practical?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
outfits yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yep, um, and then they just kind of, you know they
CGI and like the horde, butlike it's a good amount of
extras that they use Um, andthen just the way they shoot
these infected scenes I saidthey've from the like the abby
one where she's being chasedthrough the snow was robbed with
tension um the whole jacksonsequence.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
They've got it, they've got whatever it is,
they've nailed it as far as likethese infected encounters, you
see the terror in the faces,like that's real, that feels
like a real terror, like anytime, like you see a horde coming
everybody's like oh my this isit, um, and then obviously in
the next episode we're're goingto the spores, the spores from
the Last of Us.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Which I like.
How they are introducing thespores, it feels like the
evolution.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Like the through line , like the quarter steps are
evolving.
I love it, I love it, it's suchan interesting thing, because
in a video game you don't reallythink about it that way.
You just think of it as thethings you need to kill.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, and in the video game.
The spores are in the beginningof the game.
Right, and that's what peoplewere always like when game
viewers were like well whathappened.
They just changed the infected.
But credit to Craig Mazin whenthey were like we're going to
hang on to the concept of thespores and we're going to
actually use it as as a signalof and a symbol of evolution,

(25:24):
right, um, when, like becausethat's going to be a big part,
you know, assumingly, of thenext episode when nora when
someone says it's airborne rightand you're like oh shit you
know, what I mean, like it's a,like you said, it's like an
evolution, which I think isreally cool, right, and that's
going to potentially,potentially spoilers.
it's going to pave way for whatemerges from that hospital,

(25:49):
which is something I'm reallyexcited to see how they pull
that off.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't know how I think they're going to hold it.
Yes, and I think next seasonAbby's going to, because you did
the bloat.
I mean the bloater wastechnically last season, but you
had a one-on-one bloater fight.
The stalkers were the bigaddition for this season.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
You still have the shamblers.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
The shamblers, I think you could probably get
into this season and then nextseason.
It's the Rat King, which I amnot ready to see that in live
action.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I need to see it.
I just want to see how theypull it off With.
How they pull it off with, likehow they I think they're gonna
go practical for it.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't think they're gonna cg it like a, like a, an
amorphous suit, yeah, like aspider-man 2, like how they did
doc ock with the puppet arms.
They can get multiple people inthat suit.
That would be insane.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I can see them doing something like that yeah, yeah,
I just, I'm just technically, Ijust want to see it.
I just want to see how they'regonna pull that off off.
But yeah, next episode, episodefive, we're going to get the
hospital, which is going to be apretty integral scene where
Ellie comes across kind of likeArya Stark style.

(26:57):
She's got a list of names andwe know that Nora is her first
target, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
You're Nora from the new Naughty Dog game
Intergalactic, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah.
So I'm just keen to see allthat stuff and the continued
kind of tension that unfoldsfrom that.
Thunderbolts, new Avengers whenare the Thunderbolts?
What a treat, yeah,thunderbolts, what a treat yeah,
this is.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
You know, like I said up top, this is one of my
favorite Marvel movies ever, andwe're talking about 36 films,
10 TV shows, 3 animated shows,12, 4 special.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
It is this is just a dang good movie point blank
period, which is just a danggood movie.
Point blank period, which isjust really, really impressive,
because I know, when theyannounced this, this had the
most working against it whenthey announced this.
Yeah, because it had the why.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, why are we doing all the super soldiers in
one thing?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And they're going to fight the Sentry.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
They're all going to die.
No, they're fighting depressionin this movie.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, they really flipped this man in just a way,
not even flipped it.
Maybe this was always.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'm hesitant to say this was always the vision,
because I don't necessarilythink that it was I think Iger
got there early enough for themto switch this, because I don't
think the original, I don'tthink this is the very, very
first thought process of whatthis movie was going to be.
I think this movie would haveprobably looked and played a lot
similarly to Captain America 4.

(28:31):
I think that you know Iger gotthere.
Iger said listen, what arepeople clamoring for?
It's kind of what we talkedabout.
Cinema was one of those thingslike why can't we just do good
filmmaking?
Like why can't the directorsjust cook?
Like is this?
Like?
Why is this such a cardinal sin?
You can tell that time was putinto this as well, too.
This doesn't feel cheap.

(28:52):
That was one of the biggestthings that I wanted to talk
about as well, too.
Like utilizing what you'regiven.
Um, and this just feels likenew this.
Somehow this feels all like oldmarvel, like somehow this feels
like it belongs in Phase 1 or 2, probably Phase 2.
This movie kind of fits thefeel-wise.
But this, over anything that Ijust said, it's just a good

(29:14):
movie Like this is a good filmLike this feels like an actual
movie, like an actual good, youknow, heartfelt action movie.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So Jake Shearer steps in anddirects this.
He is probably best known fordirecting Beef Yep.
Also best known film-wise fordirecting Paper Towns Yep.
Good movie, great movie Cameout ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it did come out ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Ten years between his last film and this film, which,
um that he's been away fromfilmmaking this long as far as
movies are concerned, but, likeum, he did do beef.
He did an episode of skeletoncrew um this year as well, and
you know, apparently he's theone he signed on in 2022 to

(29:58):
direct this movie and he washired after his presentation.
That apparently blew away theexecutives at Marvel Studios,
and for good reason, because he,you know, created this, helped
direct this movie that you know.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know restored the feeling, I guess.
Yeah, that's, that's the bigthing that I want to talk about.
It's like you know, there'sthat adage like good movies make
you feel something, and I thinkMarvel had a double like.
They had like a double try toget that over as well too,
especially after Captain America4.
Because you know, we talkedabout it.
You talk about Quantumadium, youtalk about Love and Thunder and

(30:39):
like, then you get onto theside, you look at Wakanda
forever, you think about Lokiand like what's the through line
on both of those sides Like ofthe pendulum?
Right, it's when you let thecreators cook, when you let them
do why they got this.
Because this is like gettingthe insane promotion at your job
right Is to direct a Marvelmovie and then, like the
corporatize of the job is likenot what you thought.

(31:00):
Like, if you let me be me, Iwill give you the best version
of whatever thing I was going toput into this and that's what
this movie understands.
Like you look at cat, like Isaid, you look, and captain
america 4 is a much better moviethan quantumania and thor 11
thunder, but production wise,there's a lot of similarities
that captain america 4 doesn'tprobably want to be associated

(31:20):
with these two movies, but thethunderbolts lands in that
Wakanda.
What's Wakanda Forever andQuantum Aliens' biggest
difference?
There was a director at thehelm of one of these and there
was a studio at the helm of theother one.
What's the difference betweenThor, love and Thunder and Loki?
There was a creative team atthe top of it and there was the
corporatize at the other half ofit.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
We could argue Thor, love and Thunder was a bad
example of letting the directorcook.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sure sure you really can, you really can?
And it's like and I'll go backto the studio it's what the
studio allowed to happen oncethey knew what was going on.
Like the studio said well, whocares?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, it was a director in Thor, Love and
Thunder's case, a director thatclearly, for whatever reason,
just stopped caring.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean it.
Just it kind of, because Iheard like their kids were on
set, which is fine, like whocares?
But like you can tell, likeThor, love and Thunder was like
this, it was like this amorphous, like you know, look, we're
just, we're just chilling Likewe got.
We got $300 million from thestudio.
Yeah, we can shoot whatever wewant, joke around, have fun, who

(32:21):
cares?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
around, have fun.
Who cares?
Where is this?
It almost felt like you know,it's something with this movie
that like everyone involved hadlike including like the cast had
this not chip on their shoulder, but like almost it is kind of
like an agonist to like thecharacters in the movie like
shit, we got nothing to lose yes, we do.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
There's nothing like what who cares?
Like, let's just make a movie.
Yeah, like the.
What's the worst thing that'sgonna happen?
We play like captain america 4.
That's the worst that canhappen.
The best that can happen iswhat happened, like in my like a
lot.
There's some people, includingmyself, that think this is top
five to three mcu movie that'sever come out.
You know the creative forefrontand like, let's, let's pit this

(33:00):
for the eternals.
Right, like, right, like Ireally liked the Eternals.
I understand a lot of thecriticisms of the Eternals.
Those criticisms come from whatI feel was the studio stepped
in on Chloe Zhao.
If Chloe Zhao would have madethat movie this year, it would
have played the exact way shewanted it to play.
I'm telling you right now thisfeels like the and you know this

(33:21):
movie is not like void of it.
Sorry, this movie's not void ofthe studio probably stepping in
and Feige stepping in andsaying we need to get certain
things moving.
Like this movie's not perfect.
There's no MCU movie that'sperfect.
Like there's a handful ofmovies of all time that are
perfect.
But I think what this moviegets right is, jake Shearer said

(33:42):
like in, like you said abouthis pitch, think what this movie
gets right is.
Jake sheer said like in, likeyou said about his pitch, like
clear vision.
And the studio said go ahead,like you want to talk andor and
what they're doing, I mean thelast.
What?
Episode eight of andor is a 9.9on imdb, right, yeah, what?
What's the difference betweenandor and the acolyte?
Like one.
The studio themselves said goahead, tony gilroy, do whatever

(34:04):
you want, I feel like on theacolyte, they kind of let them
do it.
And then the studio themselvessaid go ahead, tony Gilroy, do
whatever you want, I feel likeon the Acolyte, they kind of let
them do it.
And then the studio said well,this needs to be here, and then
this needs to be here, but justremember that that needs to be
here and fit it into there.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and I mean clearly for this too.
I mean there's a clear what thestudio wanted by the end of
this and it's the new Avengersstuff.
What the studio wanted by theend of this and it's the new
Avengers stuff.
Clearly that was the studiodirection.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
But it doesn't feel forced.
No, no, no, no, not at all.
Like I said, this feels likeold Marvel, where it actually
mattered.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, this is the best example, too, of building
upon stuff that you already used, and you know what I think this
movie does, honestly, whatprobably not, maybe should have
always happened with the TV showtie-ins, but I think a lot of
people are going to see thismovie, maybe not having seen

(34:54):
Falcon and the Winter Soldier,and then they see John Walker
and they're like shit, let me goback and watch his kind of
origin.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Now, yep, you're going to get to Yelena and
you're going to be like I needto watch black widow now, yeah,
and for red guardian as well,too, like I need to watch, like
you get ghosts.
Like maybe I will watch it manman too, and just see her get
more of her, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I think, I think that I think this movie works on
that.
I Guardians of the Galaxy andfrom the Suicide Squad, and I
think it did.
I think this movie worksdifferently than both of those
movies.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean it's thematics and I think this is like I'm
going to talk about it at theend, but it's the number one
thing this movie gets right is Idon't think I've ever seen a
theme this realized in an MCUmovie before.
Like I've never seen a theme asstrong as this and as realized
as this, seen a theme as strongas this and as realized as this

(35:48):
and it's not usurped by like theaction or like the set pieces
or you know the kit, like the,the, the care, like I'm not
talking about like the characterwork, I mean like the actual
characters that you're pullingfrom.
Like I don't think I've everhad a marvel movie, maybe
guardians 3, maybe wakandaforever or like just off the bat
ones that I can think right now, like that this theme is this
freaking strong all the waythrough, like I've never I

(36:11):
haven't seen work like that onthis front.
Maybe loki kind of infringes onthat, but I think wakanda
forever's touch on loss, maybewandavision gets there, um, but
like, obviously wandavision,like they don't usurp it by the
end of the show but it is adisney plus show at the end of
the show's run.
Yeah, but this one it's strong,it's potent, like and you feel

(36:33):
it Like you want to talk.
Guardians 1 feel Like this one.
You thematically feel it,especially by the end as well
too.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
And it's buoyed by.
I mean we can just kind of runthrough the cast right now as
well too.
And it's buoyed by.
I mean we can just kind of runthrough the cast right now.
Um, I guess we just start startat the top.
Um, with florence pew, who wasbeing pretty, you know, in the
early reviews of this movie, wasbeing allotted for her
performance and we've seen ityeah, she's incredible in this
movie yeah, I mean, like if wereally want to get into it.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Like, like you know to be hyperbolic, this is a top
five performance in the mcu'sentire run, like for a singular
movie, think about it.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean for a singular film.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
You want to talk?
Performances like I mean.
I think me and you will bothdie on the hill that leticia
right and wakanda forever is oneof the best performances that
we've ever gotten and peopletake it for granted every day of
how incredible that was.
Um, You're probably I meanWanda in WandaVision.
You want to talk?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Elizabeth Olsen in.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
WandaVision Gets up there.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's tough because I want to talk about I would.
It's the only thing that knocksagainst it is it's a voice
performance, but Bradley Cooperin Guardians 3.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I'm going to count it because the impact I'll count
it.
I can probably give youspecifically Chris Evans and
funny enough, it's in Civil War.
He probably gives his bestperformance in Civil War.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, and this is right up there.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, you talk about, you know, filling every bucket
of what acting is and then heraccentuating that theme.
I can't stress enough and youknow we'll talk about it like
how incredible this theme is inthis movie and how strong it is.
And you know, going to the nextperson we got to talk about is
Lewis Pullman as the, as Bob,which we find out is Robert

(38:18):
Reynolds, who we find out is the, is the golden guardian of good
.
He has the power of a thousandexploding suns.
I should have done that in a1930s voice originally.
The golden guardian of good.
He has the power of a thousandexploding suns.
I should have done that in a1930s voice.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
The golden guardian of good, originally supposed to
be Steven Yeun, who could not.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I think the strikes threw off his schedule so he was
supposed to play the century,but it's one of those.
You win either way, but youreally won because it was Lewis
Pullman.
I think Real Rejects made anincredible point.
They said we've seen Lewis Pullthose like you win either way,
but you really won because itwas lewis pullman, like some, I
think real rejects made anincredible point.
Like they said, like we've seenlewis pullman and stuff and
lewis pullman's been fun andgood and stuff, but this is the
first time he's really gotten tochew on something.

(38:55):
Like he's really got to likeactually cook himself and like I
want to see what he is as likea front man and like there's
this everyman thing he like Idon't even want to say every man
, it's like this every likeyoung man thing to him.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like yeah, there's something familiar about him
that I really appreciate what iscrazy about that too, like he
does that part, but then whenyou know spoiler alert light
spoilers when he becomes thecentury, he still feels super
heroic yes, and I think they doa good job at understanding.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Like for him, his heroic nature comes like from my
point about the everyman.
Like he's just like I want tobe good because it's okay to be
good.
Like that's simple.
Like that's the simple Supermanthing.
Like I'm good to just be good.
Like that's Bob Bob.
Like he just wants to be like agood guy.
Like he wants to be.
Like Bob's whole thing is.
He wants to be someone.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And I mean you go down the list and you want to go
to somebody that, like theinjection of energy, it's David
Harder as Red Guardian and youknow he.
Finally, there was this linethat he had to teeter.
Yes, this whole movie of beinggrating and MCU humor that some

(40:08):
people hate goofy, but then,like it's Florence Pugh pulling
him out of that, that reallygets him there.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I was extremely surprised, in a good way, at how
he and I shouldn't be surprised, because David Harbour is an
incredible actor but at how hewas able to oscillate between
those two mediums, sometimeswithin the same confines of the
same scene.
Same scene, um, we'll talkabout, you know, specific
moments.
But like that scene with himand Yelena after the

(40:37):
confrontation with century,where she kind of like breaks
down and she basically she'slike I'm all alone and like you
see him like it's like him, asthe character also knows when to
.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yes, yep, be dad like .
Be dad like I.
I'm here, like, talk to me, I'mhere.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And that was I was really surprised by and that
goes to testament to the writingthat they knew when to pull
back from the humor right, andit's something that james gunn
really back from the humor,right.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's something that James Gunn really got with the
Guardians as well, too.
Especially when you get toGuardians 3, it's like
disgustingly insane how good hegets at it.
Yeah, let him be.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
But people are concerned that James Gunn has a
Superman movie and let him beAlexi and let him be Yelena's
father, instead of him beinglike the big, I mean, you really
get to see it with all of them.
Instead of him being like thebig, you really.
I mean, you really get to seeit with all of them, but really
with him.
You really see that the RedGuardian is his mask.
Right, because you know muchlike all of these characters
kind of wear their alter egos asmasks for what they're going
through, which you know.

(41:38):
It's funny how we can jump fromcharacter to character to
character because they all havethe same through line Right.
Character to character tocharacter, because they all have
the same through line whichbrings us to Wyatt Russell,
which is, I think, going intothis movie.
You and I were both kind ofexcited to see what, because
that felt like, out of all thesecharacters, because we probably
spent we spent the most screentime with John.

(41:58):
Walker because of the nature ofFalcon and the Luminous Soldier
that was the character that feltlike he had the most to chew on
and he was great I mean whatjohn brings, what, why russell
brings first of all.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
He brings like the.
He brings the puff chest likehe brings.
What you have in your mind islike not steve rogers as captain
america, like if you were totell somebody to be captain amer
.
I love his misunderstanding ofit and how he still has kept it
from Falcon and the Winners.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
All that experience that he had and he still doesn't
really get it still.
But he gets it.
Enough that he's like I thinkhe finally realizes I'm never
going to be Captain America, butI'm John Walker.
It enough that he's like Ithink he finally realizes I'm
never gonna be captain america,but I'm, I'm john walker.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
You want to talk about contrast between two
things.
Remember what ant-man and thewasp did with?
Did with scott lang in thatmovie where, like this was his
second outage as the character,yeah, and like they took him and
they kind of turned him.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
This movie could have done the same thing with john,
where he was the joke captainamerica and it felt like there
were moments, especially in thebeginning of the movie, where it
felt like that's maybe where itwas going right, but then it
doesn't you know who he is tothem.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
He's the big brother to them.
Like he's the brash big brotherthat always puffs their chest
and like bullies everybody butit.
You know, god forbid, somebodytalked to them the wrong way.
And it's this little momentspoilers for the movie there's
this little moment where he'scalling him Bobby the whole
movie.
And then he sees, once they getinto Bob's shame room and they
see his father used to call himBobby.

(43:37):
He stops calling him Bobby,starts calling him Bob again.
That's the guy that you kind ofwant protecting you.
In the end of the day, that guywill keep you sit, like he,
once he understands the mission.
Like that's that's his missionand his mission is them like
there's that moment.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
There's also the moment in the beginning, in the
first act, when they're escapingthe bunker and yelena's like
yelling at him.
Like I told you to wait andhe's like I did wait right, like
I waited, I followed yourorders.
Like I followed orders and it'slike one of those things that
also is a great, not a greatcall.
I guess it is kind of a callback to falcon the lunar soldier
, but like john operates bestwhen he's with somebody yes,

(44:15):
when he's not left to his owndevices, because then that's
when, kind of like, the darknesstakes over him like you know,
when he's by himself, like whenhe makes the biggest, I mean he
doesn't see it as a mistake, butlike when he makes the biggest
transgression of his entire life, he was by himself and he was
angry and he was sad.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well, you see the like, the trigger flip in him,
like I love that little bitwhere you know the plan.
They're trying to escape thefacility and John's waiting, and
he's waiting and he's like,fine, I'll do it myself.
And he ramps and he starts togo insane.
That's the dark half of JohnWalker.
Dark halves bring aboutcomplexity to character.
So it's not the fact that he'snot Steve Rogers, it's the fact

(44:53):
that he is John Walker.
And John Walker's a goodsoldier.
He's an okay man but he'll getthe job done.
That's his first and foremost.
Priority is the job.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
That is who John Walker is yeah, um, and then we
can segue that right in theghost, right in the hand of John
.
Come in as Ava star, whichagain another kind of character.
Again.
This whole movie is litteredwith characters where you're
like why are these characters onscreen?
On my screen again, but man,she's great.
And on my screen again, but man, she's great, and she more so

(45:26):
than any of these othercharacters.
Up until maybe halfway throughthe movie you don't really know
if she's on board.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Or if she's with them .
She's kind of like to make theGuardians analogy.
She's kind of like Gamora yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Well, she's you know, allegory is a funny thing she's
not only clinging on to lifeitself, like keeping herself
tethered to this, like they'rethe reason, she's what.
She was alone her whole life.
Like she was alone, like shewas trapped in, like, fine, she
found out her purpose was people.
Like she found out her purposewas the steam.
It's what Rick Guardian alwayssays.
Like it's the team.
Like you need to keep this teamtogether.

(46:01):
This is where the light is.
The light isn't you being withother people.
That's how you stay here,that's how you stay sane, that's
how you stay okay, that's howyou keep pushing forward.
And to get to Bob and Yelena atthe end of the movie, that's
how you keep going.
It's people.
People help you keep going.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I mean when you talk about a clear understanding of
just physical capacity.
The stuff that they do withghosts in this movie is
incredible.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I mean we can move into the action in this
movie.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
This is some of the I do want to talk about Bucky
before we.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Oh, I forgot about Bucky.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Perfectly deployed in this movie.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, I heard some people complaining about Bucky's
complexities and I bought upthis point and I'm going to
stick true to this movie.
Yeah, I heard some peoplecomplaining about Bucky's
complexities and you know Ibought up this point and I'm
going to stick true to thispoint.
This is Bucky's first foray tobeing Captain America.
Like this is it?
Like this is you're leading theAvengers.
Like this is it You're leadingthis team?
And like you know, I love how.
You know all the time that,like I didn't get enough out of

(47:02):
ghosts, we did get it.
We got all of it.
And ant-man and the wasp shedidn't need the shade room.
We saw her shame room.
Like we saw her beingexperimented on as a kid.
And her deployment by shieldlike bucky same thing.
We've seen it.
For how many years, since 2010,we've?
seen it for 15 years bucky's,bucky's dark traumas and every
and he even makes a joke abouthe's like my life was great,
guys, I'm guided.
I nothing in here, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, but I also.
Bucky is the perfect characterfor the theme of this movie
Because he's the one out of allthese characters that has not
solved it.
But he's gone through this.
He's gone through exactly whatall of them are going through
now and he's come out the otherside of it, so he's the perfect
one to kind of steer them and bekind of like the bigger brother

(47:46):
figure to all of them.
Yes, because he's like I've.
I've battled my darkness andnow look where I am so he's the
perfect.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He was the perfect character to put you know,
established kind of character,but you also, yeah, you're
telling them you don't need tobe this, like this thing that
you guys think that you are.
You don't need to be thatdarkness, you don't need to be
somebody's weapon.
Like I'm looked, I'm doublelooking at you, walker, you
don't have to be somebody.
And because you know, walkerkind of talks to him, like when
he has them tied up and he kindof says, like bucky, you know me

(48:14):
.
He's like, look at you, likedog, this you're.
Like you're the person thatyour wife left.
Like why?
Everyone's like, yeah, like whydo you?
Why do you think that is?
Like look at you Like you'resomebody's weapon that goes to
execute orders.
Like you're not a human beingright now.
Like you need to be, you're me,you're me, you're me a little
bit ago, like this is where I amnow.

(48:45):
So I'm super intrigued to such agreat job with John Walker as
the like the, as you know, thepro, like the post of Falcon and
the Winter Soldier.
Just watching the post creditscene that the Russos did, I
hope they don't take John'scharacter and just turn him into
a joke.
That's one of my fears becauseit's that like grunt he has as
John like, especially throughoutthis movie, he doesn't lose
itunt.
He has, especially throughoutthis movie.
He doesn't lose it.
He has that little.

(49:07):
His first mindset is Valentinasaid I'm going to kill her.
That's him.
He's the quick execution move.
Yeah, rip John Walker.
You would have loved thePunisher he is.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, I mean he talks about his military background
extensively.
He's going to find the bestsolution to a problem you know,
for better or for worse.
Um, taskmaster, what, what elsecan you say?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, I love the scene at the end of the movie
where she came back and she sayjust kidding, she died within
the first 10 minutes of thismovie.
Yeah, so not not much out of uhout of taskmaster Um she has an
American accent for some oddreason, does some cool stuff.
Yeah, yeah, the fight scene andthat's such a great flex, like
that's the second actionsequence in the movie.

(49:50):
It was an insane flex like tryher out of the gate.
That opening action sequencewhere she I gotta.
I'm gonna dive into that scenespecifically because it gets the
theme of this movie down.
Visual, like that's some of thebest visual storytelling I've
seen out of the MCU.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But that second action sequence when you know
they're all fighting each other,it's perfectly executed yeah, I
mean, you see literally whatthey're all capable of, what
their skill sets are right.
Um, it's great.
You know, it's unfortunate thattaskmaster was a casualty of
just the internet.
The internet and just, I think,just a different direction, and
fear For the movie, and theyjust had to find a way to get

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her out.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, and they got her out.
I love because Schreier talkedabout like earlier drafts had
Taskmaster, like having memoryloss issues, so like she really
clings to John and like theybecome buddies and then every
once in a while she tries tokill him because she forgets.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
We couldn tries to kill him because she forgets.
We couldn't add 20 minutes tothis movie and done something
like that.
Yeah, yeah, probably, um, but Imean they don't totally play it
off as like she was disposable,like there is a couple lines
like especially at the end, likethroughout the movie, where I
forget who it is.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I guess john says something about her and elena's
like don't yeah, you don't knowher, like you don't know what
she's been through.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, and then I think Yelena has the
conversation.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I think it's with.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Ghost later on where she was like, yeah, she had a
really fucked up life.
Yeah, like you know, like itsucks that she kind of went.
So I feel like they handled itthe best way they could have.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Well, I mean, it's supposed to be the worst thing
that can happen to all of them.
Like this is, like this couldbe us, like we could be wasted
as nothing, or we can besomething together.
And boy, do they becomesomething.
Yeah, they do.
Um, so I guess the westchestervalley thunderbolt, sponsored by
shane's tire shane shane.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Um, so I guess you know.
I don't know if you have anyfinal non-spoiler thoughts
before we kind of dig into no, Imean, mean I got like the last
non-spoiler thing.
Oh, JLD is great in this movie.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, yeah, julia Louis-Dreyfus.
Like she's like this perfectantithesis to like all the
values that Nick Fury holds.
Like she's literally theinverse of Nick Fury, to the
best of her ability.
I love it she's just a greatclassic.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, mustache, twirling like you just want to
wring your little neck.
Yeah, she always has like, shejust always has a way out of you
always think like she's goingto get her comeuppance and she
just slithers out of it the lastsecond.
You're like um, but she's,she's great in this.
Yep, that's like again.
Like the mustache twirling, Ithink, is it's been a while

(52:27):
since we've had like a classicmustache that doesn't die.
Yeah, yeah, because you know,and like she doesn't, it's not.
It's not the same as like, say,like kingpin, where, like he
has the physicality to back upany situation he gets put in.
Where, like her, like she hasto like manipulate situations.
Right, and she's doing that theentire movie.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And she's also hilarious well, she does funny.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, she's always, she's just charming and great
yeah um, and you, just like Isaid you just every moment she
does something.
You want someone to just gether right like when she's
manipulating bob in the littlehospital room.
You're like you just want himto get her and he does, yeah, he
does get her, which is great,like when she does that whole
bit, when she's like you have tolisten to me and he goes why?

(53:07):
And you're like, uh-oh, godfeels no pain oh no, this
century's becoming self-aware um, yeah.
So I mean, all in all, thismovie was a really fun ride.
I hope it.
You know, I hope the word ofmouth helps it, because the box

(53:29):
office returns have been alittle underwhelming.
And a good Tuesday bounce backwhich is good which shows that
people are going out and seeingit because, they understand that
it's not just not just anotherMarvel movie, you know what I
mean.
Like no, this one is actuallyhigh quality and well made, you
know.
Finally, a post-credits scenethat actually ties into the next
movie.
Yep, we're finally back todoing that instead of doing.

(53:51):
Here's Hercules, for somereason, brett.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Goldstein, what are you doing here?
Make Hercules Thor's loveinterest in the next movie.
Don't be coward, don't do whatFast 10 did, and not make Jason
Momoa and Alan Richie.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't think we're ever seeing Hercules again.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
No, don't say that.
Are we ever going to see Erosagain?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No, pip the Troll, no .
So we're finally back to doingpost-credit scenes that just
show you what the next movie is.
It's been a while since we'vedone one of those, but we're
finally doing that again.
We'll talk about that at theend, but yeah.
So hopefully this moviecontinues to do well, because
you know me, rooting for bigmega corporations is my bag.

(54:29):
So I hope this movie.
I'm the indie guy.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I hope this movie does well.
This is an A24 Marvel movie.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
It is, they marketed it as such.
They did.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
They did the absolute cinematography.
They said we're doing an A24movie.
Do you want to go through thepersonnel?
Sure, Jake Schreier, who is thewriter and director of Beef.
Yes, your actors were.
Who do we got?
I believe Wyatt Russell was inA24 Project.
Obviously, Florence Pugh was inMidsommar.
Obviously, Sebastian Sam was inA Different man.

(54:59):
So that's your actors.
You have the director.
Like I said, writer anddirector of Beef.
You have the cinematographer ofGreen Knight, a gorgeous movie.
There's one shot in this moviethat I can't believe is real.
You have the productiondesigner of Hereditary.
You have the editor of Minari.
What else do we got?
We have the composers ofEverything Everywhere, All at
Once.

(55:19):
This is one of the best Marvelscores we've ever gotten.
Yes, it's incredible.
Shout out Son Lux.
Absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Talk about a score that defines the characters.
Yes, this movie does that.
The score does that.
I should say.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Man this film is, so I love this movie.
I really, really, really likethis movie.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Spoilers, spoilers.
Ahead, we're going to talkabout some tings, the Void.
We're going to talk about some,some tings the Void.
Yeah, let's talk about the Void.
So obviously we get you know.
Contessa Allegra captures Bob,brings him into Avengers Tower.
Who bought Avengers Tower court?
Was it Norman Osborn?
No, was it the Fantastic?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Four no, don't do this to me.
Don't go back to all theepisodes where I said it.
They pulled the aerospaceengineer from WandaVision back
out again.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Was it Doctor Doom?
No, nope, it was ContessaAllegra de Fontaine, miss.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Fontaine, it's Miss de Fontaine.
What was Wendell Pierce doingin this movie?
He said we got some stuff to goon capitol hill and it is juicy
.
Was he doing his best perrywhite impression?
So he can just play perry whitein superman?
He?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
was.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Look, he was chewing some scenery yeah, he was every
scene he was in that littlescene with bucky killed me, or
he's just like bucky.
You don't need to be the wintersoldier, just text me oh man,
um yeah, so she's allegra boughtavengers tower I love how
everybody calls him bucky.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
They don't even call him james, they just eat like
these actual capitol hill peopleare just like yeah, didn't he
get into a whole argument withsam when he was like you can't
call me that yeah, only stevecalls me that right whatever, um
sam's got some issues thatwe've got to talk about at the
end of this movie yeah he doesCopyright issues.
Yep, yeah, so Allegra takes orValentina takes Bob and she's

(57:08):
like you're him yeah, actually,you're him.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
And Bob's like no, I was a meth addict.
Bob's got a really sad story,man he does, he does and she's,
like you, survived.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
So, basically, allegra's Valentina's been
trying to create the Sentry.
She's been trying to createbasically her own version of
Thor that she could control.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, I mean she's like, like she said, she's all
the Avengers rolled up and theyalready did that in Secret
Invasion man.
Why.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
She finds out that Bob survived and she's like oh,
I can control that guy I canemotionally manipulate this man
and she's like what if I madeyou this entry?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
and he's like that sounds awesome yeah, this is
cool, I finally get to besomebody.
And the voice like will you getto be somebody?
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
it's so.
It's so sad and it's so tragicthat she just latches onto his
insecurities.
One of my favorite minor scenesin the movie is when they're
talking and he's not completelyon board and she's like alright.
It's such incredible, terribleand incredible emotional

(58:20):
manipulation where she picks upthe sentry buckle and she's
going to walk out and he's likewait, wait, no, he's like my
validation.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
My validation is leaving.
And she's like hmm, and then,yeah, she introduces the sentry
in full force and, yeah, he's aproblem.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
He is a problem.
I mean do you want to theorizeabout his power set?
I have some ideas.
I mean do you want to theorizeabout?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
his power set.
I have some ideas.
I mean, yeah, but I think yourextremist point is good just
based on the Heath stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I think there's a third component in there that's
causing the flight and the mindmanipulate.
Like there's a third piece inthere.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
There's something he has, so his powers are basically
he's invulnerable, right Likepure, invulnerable.
He can't be harmed RightBecause they shoot at him, red
Guardian stabs him and the knifebreaks Mm-hmm, which I don't
know if that was him breaking it.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
No, I think the knife ricocheted off his face.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, so he's completely invulnerable.
Vulnerable um he has some typeof pyro like heat, can eat like
kinesthesia yeah, where he canmanipulate the temperature
objects because he does it tothe glass of water.
He boils the water and it blowsup the glass.
He melts john's gun um, and hetries to melt bucky's arm, but
he can't because it's vibraniumright um, and then yeah he can
fly.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
But then it's the.
It's the other stuff like the,the void stuff, where I'm like
what's the third piece?
Because I'm gonna stick truewith, like I think they took
erskine's formula and I thinkthey took the extremis and they
mixed it, so those like thatwould explain the pyrokinesis
part and that would explain,like, the invulnerability,
because that's what they weretrying to do.

(01:00:03):
Like you probably mix that withthe super soldier serum making
you more durable, that probablymakes invulnerability.
It's the flight in the voidpart that I just I can't put my
finger on.
I was maybe gonna go infinitystone wise of like how it
created the scarlet witch, butthe infinity stones are gone.
So maybe the I don't know, Idon't know what it can's
something else in that.
Like I think they made itambiguous on purpose as well too

(01:00:26):
, because I think, I think itcould be him.
Yeah, the void attached itself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
but wait, that's what I kind of cause.
He's kind of, he's always kindof.
He's implied that it's kind ofalways been there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, I think they they were trying to say
something else with the voidstuff.
Like I don't think that's.
I personally don't think that'swhat they meant by that, like
the void, like I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Well, no, yeah, but I think I think it was always
there in the sense that likesomehow whatever happened to him
made the void real, like it wasalways kind of there as, like
his, like you know, he alwaysfelt it was like his darkness
and then whatever happened tohim literally manifested it well
, I mean the other person or theother two people in the MCU
that can, or seemingly will, bethree or after.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
they're fantastic for our Wanda and her son.
Like those are the only two,and then you know, presumably
Franklin Richards will be thethird.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Of them can actually make those things real.
Yeah, um, I mean, you want totalk about one of the best
character updates that there'sever been.
Like who cares that the Void'ssome interdimensional being or
it's some ancient?
No, no, doesn't matter.
The Void is the darkness thatyou feel inside of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I even love how it manifested.
Yes, in the sense that he wasgoing to take Allegra out, he
was going to take Valentina out,and then she had a failsa safe
that was triggered by everyone'sfavorite, everyone's new
favorite actor.
Yeah, um, where she, you know,smokes the sentry with the kill
switch and then he reawakenslike cause like the shackles

(01:01:57):
came up.
It's almost.
It was almost like a wholeBruce.
Banner sitch where like the voidkind of took over because Bob
was at commission, right, so hewas like I'm here now, yep, and
then he just started smokingfolks yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, that was insane .
Mayor Fisk said huh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Quick send out the anti-vigilante task force.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
They'll take care of this.
Oh no, my anti-vigilante taskforce has been annihilated Not
if you ask him after the fact Ithink Luke Cage could have taken
him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
If you ask him after the fact they handled it yeah,
they did handle it, this greatcity, the void has been tackled.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Wilson, wilson, the void's been tackled tackled.
Um, I love the I.
I love the fight scene with thecentury.
I just think it's such a smartlittle ploy because I don't.
To me, this is how it played.
It's not important that it wasin this movie, it's just
important that it's out there bythe time we reach doom,
doomsday in secret wars.
It's important that we knowthat the century is a certified

(01:02:58):
issue because, remember, we weretalking about like well, who's
gonna fight doc?
Like to fight God-tiered DoctorDoom, it's the Sentry, that's
who's going to fight him?
Sentry, captain Marvel, thor,like you know, maybe we'll save
the Doomsday talk for a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And I love how they just run.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I like that.
They were just like nah man,we're not built for this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That guy's like an actual Avenger.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
We can't do this Like after they watched Bucky get
his arm ripped off and getthrown across the room, they're
like Nope, no, we're just, we'rejust getting out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Y'all.
Take it easy, man, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
And that's, you know, it segues, it's like one, of
course we lost, we're losers,like we suck, yeah.
And then you know they kind ofbreak up, yep, and Red Guardian,
red Guardian's standing therelike what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
We can't do this.
We can't break up, yeah, like aband, like the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
And then segues into that really amazing scene
between Yelena and her fatherwhere she's like I'm alone all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I've seen this movie twice.
That scene, the second timebroke me, broke me the second
time I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Man, florence Pugh, like you want to talk about
performance, I mean, you calledthis way back when we saw Black
Widow, when you were like man,what a get that she's just going
to be around in this universe,yeah how old was she when Black
Widow came out?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
24 or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I think that was 2020 .

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, 2020.
Because how old is FlorencePugh now?
It's 2020.
She's 29, I think, yeah.
So you called this back then.
Yeah, I was like you, because Isee this is what pays off to be
an a24 fan.
I knew she was cooking yeah,she's 29, so she was 24 when
black widow came out and I saidyou guys don't understand.
Like she's a, she's a, she's anactor, actor, she's one of

(01:04:54):
those actor actors yeah, I'veseen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I mean she just lets that out and she's like I'm
alone, yep I'm alone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Like my sister died and you weren't there, you left
me alone.
Like I go home.
I go, I get a job, Iassassinate somebody, I go home,
I drink, I don't feel I do itagain and I, my life is
meaningless and I mean nothingto anybody and I am drowning and
he's like no, you're not.

(01:05:21):
He said you're the actual light.
He's like you don't not.
He said you're the actual light.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
He's like you don't understand the light that turns
on when you walk into a room andthen he takes that take that
stupid soccer metaphor andbreaks my heart about her
wanting to be the goalie becauseshe could always be relied on
and you're sitting there andyou're like.
You feel, like how she feelswhen she's like that was pretty
good I'm like, yeah, that waspretty good, like that, he and

(01:05:47):
that's like, that's that switchthat we talked about with with,
you know, the guardian characterit gives you every opportunity
to go into the old mcu, justtell a joke to get us out of
here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
But it like it's like guardians 3, like nope, not
this time, like you're gonna sithere and feel this yeah, and
then it segues brilliantly intolike the voids they look yeah,
that's not the, you're not thevoid from Marvel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Comics up there are you talk about a, a villain and
you wanna talk and also to gowith that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Lewis Pullman's flip into the void is it's incredible
the way he balances.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Yeah, all the type of like, the iterations of this
character throughout this movieare amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
He's like a schizophrenic, like it's
incredible From Bob, like whenyou first meet him, not this
happy-go-lucky, but he's likedude, everything's good man,
everything's great, everything'sgreat.
You know, life's just life, man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
To like the inferior kind of scared Bob Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
To the century.
Yeah, it's like this, like the,even before the century, it's
like the bob.
That's like you know what I can, like the steve rogers, like
you know what I can, I can standup and be somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
And then to the century, to the void to the bob
trapped inside the void, whichis a different bob from the
other it's the kid version ofBob.
And I was just like man, thisguy, something else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Yeah, Lewis Pullman.
I'll tell you right now, LewisPullman's got a.
Thanks Bob Pullman, for givingus Lewis Pullman, and thank you,
Kurt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Russell for giving us Wyatt Russell.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Is it cool when you're a nephal baby to a really
cool dad?
Is that why Maya Hawke's cool,hawk's cool?
Is it Ethan Hawk?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, man, great movie.
To be sons or daughters offamous actors.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Who's the next person we can get in there to do this?
Jack Quaid, yeah, let JackQuaid be in the Thunderbolts in
the next new Avengers movie.
Who would he play?
I don't know Me neither.
Jack Quaid in the MCU Cyclops.
Funny enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
No, nah, is he too funny?
He's too.
Yeah, I don't know if he's toofunny, but he's too like Fluid
Wiry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah, he's too skittish to play Cyclops.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, I mean.
And then we get that the Voidshows up again and he's like you
tried to murder me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
You want to talk about some lines that were being
spit, like in the mcu history,like we talk about thanos and
kingpin.
The void was giving out somelines.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
The void was spitting a little bit and then he just
starts smoking.
Folks, where do you thinkyou're going and then the
shadows and you're like what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
yeah, it's happening here.
Wait a minute, this can't wait.
Oh no, again, again we'revanishing again I hate new york
city so much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
The anti-vigil, anti-task force is abusing us
and it's like this reallyuncomfortable thing, because
you're like is he gone, killingthese people?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
right, what is happening?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
um q just a great.
We're back.
Superheroes, not evensuperheroes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Folks powered folks just helping people right, red
guardians loving it.
He's like, come on, god, andlike man.
And that you get back toearlier in the movie where he's
like you really wanted like tothe point of like he tears the
lines.
He's like because he has everychoice, every chance david
harvard does to bow outsometimes and he doesn't.
He's like because he has everychoice, every chance david
harbour does to bow outsometimes and he doesn't.
He's like you want to know whenI was really happy, when I was

(01:09:08):
in the streets of russia savingpeople.
That's when I was, truthfully,the red guardian, yeah.
And then he does it and hefeels the glory and it's not for
him, it's for other people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
This movie is a dang good movie and they all, and
it's great they all come backtogether like they all, like
individual of each other.
They just they each.
They're not even a team anymoreat this point.
Technically, they technicallybroke up and walked away from
each other, but they all sawsomebody in danger that they
felt compelled to save at somepoint.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And it's great.
And then David Harbour savesthis little girl and he smiles
at this little girl and then thewhole theater.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
When we saw it was like, oh shoot, everyone went.
Oh, that was rough, that wastough.
You felt that.
Yeah, you did, and that'sorganic, that's an organic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
I can't remember the last Marvel movie I saw that
created an organic scene ormoment like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
What?
Wakanda Forever, where Atumadrags Okoye to the sphere?

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
That's probably it.
And how long ago was that?
Three years ago, that wasprobably the last time in a
Marvel movie that a theatercollectively felt a moment, yeah
, and that the Okoye momentyou're talking about is more
like an impact.
Yeah, like a ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Whereas this was like dog and it was also like yo the
void's nothing to mess aroundabout.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Like everyone gasped yeah, like they couldn't believe
that this little girl was justsmoked you're like Jesus Christ
yeah, like what that's notsupposed to happen right and
like you just see, like the, thelook on alexi's face where he
was just like he couldn't likethat's not supposed to happen.
Yeah, like I saved this girllike she's not supposed to die

(01:10:51):
right what did you think she sawin her shade room?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
or in her shame room, who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
santa didn't come, oh no she failed like a second
grade spelling test.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah and everybody publicly shamed her for not
knowing how to spell there.
I thought it was the otherversion of there um, and then
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
So like they look up the thunderbolts, they do the
one the foe like ah, what isthat?
Oh no, oh no, it's the freaking, the void the void design is
it's the freaking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
The Void.
The Void design is awesome.
It's terrifying.
It's so simple.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
It's a black silhouette and white pin needle
eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
That's the whole design and it's terrifying.
And then the Void just takesover New York City, and then
Yelena takes this opportunity togo.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
And I will always in my head canon will always play
that she was taking her life, ifshe was taking her life to save
Bob, but she didn't care whatthe outcome was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I think that's the right way to read it.
I think she.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
And if you want to play back to the beginning of
the movie where she was takingher leap of, she wasn't taking a
leap of faith In my mind.
If she would have fell and thatparachute would have went and
not worked, she would have beenfine, and it's like it's the
same thing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Her face, the opening frame of her in that face.
I know that look all too welland it's just something that's
so impactful.
So when she does it again, andthere's another moment in the
movie when they're about to diein the, in the, where they're
about to die in the facilitythat that val had, she had the
same look where she was like I'mready to go like it and but

(01:12:37):
this time she was ready to gofor something, not for herself,
I'm ready to go for a purposeyeah, it's like one of those
things where, like if it works,it works, if it doesn't it's all
right, it's all right, I had agood, I had a good run.
Um, yeah, it's, it's a reallypoignant moment, like you have
like alexi, like shouting afterher and again he had every
chance to be.
Like you know, and it's justyou feel it, you're like he lost

(01:13:00):
both of his daughters, like hejust like, like I can't, I can't
.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And they're all like you know again, like they're all
thinking rationally, they'relike we don't, we can't just go
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Like I know that she did.
And then you want to talk aboutcharacter lifting when the time
matters.
Ghost is the first one to belike well, I'm going after her
who?
Because?
Yeah, because Ghost has, that'sher through line through the
whole movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
she's just like like X-Mach, like I'm coming to save
you, like I'm, and she's kind oflike analyzing the situation
where she's like she wouldn'thave went in there if she didn't
think she you know, had a planright like she wouldn't have
went in there for nothing.
So I'm going in there right,we're'm going in there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I guess I'm going.
I'm the leader of this team.
I fought Thanos.
I'm Mr Soldier.
I'm the leader of this team.
I fought Thanos, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I can handle this, yep, you can handle this
actually.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did, they actually did, and
then we get.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, and then we end up in Bob's Well, we end up in
Yelena's mind prison.
Yep, um.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
You see her first like at the Red Room when she
betrayed her best friend Yep.
Heartbreaking Yep, elena, elena.
No no don't go in the woods, notthis again.
I think they got the sameactress that played her in Black
Widow, which was cool, yeah,and then you go into she's.
You know they gotta get themake the guns as fast as they

(01:14:18):
can.
I hate man Jack Shryer.
You're gonna get into CraigMazin territory of me saying I
hate you and I actually thinkyou're doing a phenomenal job.
It's the little bit where, like, she covers her ears so she
doesn't like your adult selfprotecting your childhood self
but she's really just protectingherself yeah, from the traumas
of your childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, because it's a memory and so like.
It's not like.
She's actually right protectingher younger self, she's
protecting her adult self, rightfrom her trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yep, and just the added bit to put bob in the
clothes that he wore when he wasa child that's like, that's
next level stuff that's whenlewis pullman really started
going.
That's where, like he's in theroom and he's just like he's
saying, like I'm nothing, likeI'm just I'm nothing, like I
will stay here, like I alwaysmake everything worse like
hearing his parents arguing inthe background.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
He's like they stop soon enough, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
How bad could it be?
At some point you get numbAgain.
He says what's the point?
This is what it's going to be,this is the void that we all
feel in ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I hate to say it, I hate to be like that.
That's so real man, but it isI've again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
I don't think I've ever had a marvel movie that
that this is probably why it'sin my top three like I've never
had it.
I've never had this type offeeling in a marvel movie before
, because you relate, you relateto it.
Everyone relates to this on somelevel yeah, and like I said
about like the void, like thecomic version of the void, is
this interdimensional or thisancient?
No, no, no, no.

(01:15:47):
In the movie the void iseverybody.
Everybody has that void, thatpeace, and some people succumb
to it as well too, and Yelena isat the brink of succumbing to
it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah, to some degree.
Like I said, to some degree weall experience this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Whether it's relatively minor, whether it's
severe.
But I think the point too isyou're the one that decides the
severity of it at the end of theday.
We kind of joked about whatthat little girl saw in her
shame room.
It doesn't matter how severe itmight look to us, maybe to her

(01:16:27):
it's like the most horrifyingexperience of her life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, and like that's kind of the point and then the
back half of it is we'll touchon it in a second there's a,
there's something that can getyou out of it.
There's something like there'sways you can get it out and like
they.
You know, I don't know how youever want, I don't know how you
want to read bob and elena's.
I don't know how you ever want,I don't know how you want to
read Bob and Yelena'srelationship.
I don't know if they're goingto turn it romantic.
I don't know if it's a brotherand sister relationship, but
it's a relationship Nonetheless.

(01:16:49):
It's the most and you know youcan say that it's.
You know, red Guardian andYelena.
It's Bob and Yelena.
That's the most importantrelationship in this movie, and
both ways as well too.
Like.
You know, it's the.
It's like the understandingfrom bob on, like a non-parental
level that you would get out ofred guardian.

(01:17:10):
Like bob's like.
I get it, I get it, Iunderstand like.
And elena to him.
Like elena was probably thefirst person that's ever seen
bob.
Not the century, not theconduit that you know val wants
to use, or you know not this.
Like little crap of a personthat doesn't mean anything, like
his parents, all like no, I seebob, like that's who I see.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah and then that's why I love that scene when they
fight the century and she goes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I know you and he goes like do you, do you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
yep, yeah, and the answer is yes, I do know you
like You're me, and I think heneeded that experience in the
void again with her to see thatshe does understand.
And then it just segues intoyou know all these Marvel movies

(01:17:58):
.
Every time you always want topay attention to the third act
and how this third act unfolds.
And how are they going to dealwith the villain?
How are they going to deal withthe problem?
This movie handles it inprobably the best way that they
could.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yeah, yeah, the wow.
They held hands and all no BS,that's BS, that's straight BS.
You know what it reminds me of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
It reminds me of the end of the first Guardians of
the Galaxy.
Yes, yup, when, like, wedefeated you with the power of
friendship.
But it's the best example.
Yeah, it's the best example ofit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Yeah, it's like I heard that and I was like that's
just straight BS and you'reprojecting.
It feels like almost likeyou're projecting something.
That's like you don't want tobelieve that this is a way that
you can feel better, but ittruthfully is.
You're just not ready to hearit yet.
That's how I took that, because, man, that was the second time
this movie broke me.
Was that end and it was.

(01:18:47):
It was this kind of like againthat all too familiar, like
you're beating yourself, likeyou're, truthfully, to the end
of the day, like bob turned intothe darkness he was trying to
escape yeah, because the crewshows up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yep, they find elena and bob, and then they start
tumbling through bob's rightsubconscious, and then walker
punches out uh, bob's abusivefather yeah, which I thought was
a nice touch.
Yes, yep um, and then they endup back in the lab that we see
from the in the beginning of themovie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
That's the shot that I was gushing over when I saw
this movie, where the void'ssitting there and you see the
two silhouettes on the left andright of him and he's kind of
sitting there and like that'swhere you flex.
You got the cinematographer ofthe Green Knight, like that's
where you flex that right there.
Come at me, bro, come at.
Yeah, the void.
The void is chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Well, it's like yeah, bobby, like the void is like
it's a very real metaphor forthis type of manic depression.
We're like you can't overcomeme.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, you might try.
It's not going to happen, manand.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Bob man, and if you are going to overcome me, you're
going to do it through anger.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yeah and pain, and guess what you're going to get
out of this.
Nothing.
You're going to dig yourselfeven deeper and deeper and
deeper until you can't come outof it and deeper and deeper
until you can't come out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
And that's when you what you get when bob is
fighting back against the voidand the shadow is literally
consuming him as he's throwingpunches and he's only pulled out
when the rest of the team isable to get to him and son lux.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
That score, that's like one of the best score
pieces I've heard out of the mcu.
Like and not score pieces of,like, the main theme of the
movie, no, the actual scorepiece used in the moment man.
That moment it broke me becauseit's like you don't have to be
alone to do this.
This is one of the pieces thatcan get you out of it.
They're all grabbing onto Boblike Yelena's their first of you

(01:20:39):
don't.
It doesn't have to be likewe're here, you don't have to
fight it alone.
Like we're here.
Like we're here Like what?
To other capacity and likethey're all at different levels
of capacities to Bob, obviouslyElaine is the closest, uh, ghost
is probably the farthest, butlike we're all still here for
you to any, to any capacity thatmight need.

(01:20:59):
Yeah, they were here basically,yeah, they did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
We're here, like we're here for you and it's like
you don't.
You know, fighting this aloneonly makes it worse, yep
oftentimes yeah whereas, likefighting it with people that
care about you, makes it moremanageable, right?
That's ultimately what themovie is about, right, and
they've all experienced it tosome degree.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Like yes, that's the point of they've all.
What's the through line of allof them?
In their darker halves, theywere alone.
They were all alone.
Yelena was.
What did she say?
She was, I was all alone.
And the Red Guardian sits in anapartment.
You know, after having theglory of Russia behind him, he
sits in an apartment on the nextblock over from Baltimore.
We're not technically inBaltimore.

(01:21:40):
Ghost is on the run from 15nation.
Is this a shield reject?
Her parents are dead.
She has nobody with her.
She physically phases in andout of reality.
John Walker was Captain Americaand had it stripped from him,
but it doesn't matter that hehad the Captain America strips.
He had his wife and childstripped from him.
They are all alone.
All of them blasted them.

(01:22:00):
And when did they all get outof there?

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
When they were together, and the only one
that's gone and through it andgotten to the other side was
Bucky and who?

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
got them into the situation in the first place to
tell themselves that they can doit.
None other than Bucky.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
And he's also the one that didn't process his thing
alone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
He did for a long time.
Until said sam found him.
Yep, and he's do the work.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Like he did the work, he did it and guess what.
Like by the end of falcon andthe winter soldier, like he
wasn't alone, like he hadsomebody that he can call a
friend and somebody that he cango into battle with but just
also just be around if thingsget tough.
Like Like hey, come to myfamily's post-we-saved-the-world
barbecue.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
And then you know the thing, the through line, and
it's the one at the end whenthey're like you know, and when
Bob basically says like I can'tbe the century anymore.
It's again a very real metaphor, like, just because they beat
the void in that moment doesn'tmean it's gone, doesn't mean
he's magically better.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Like that is always going to be with him, right,
just like it's always going tobe with all of them.
It's just how you manage it andif you manage it together, like
the Void is always going to bea part of him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Yeah, no matter what, all the bad-ish that I know
Yelena talks about it, thingslike so many, and red garden
kind of says, all right, we'veall done.
Bad ish, bad issues happen toall of us, but you don't
understand how special you arestill.
You still have.
You don't understand how muchgood you've done as well too.
You don't see that in you.

(01:23:34):
Yeah, I'm here to show you thatyou are that.
So yeah, that's why that's thesimplicity of why this movie
cracks my top three.
To be this far down the line inthe MCU and we get something
like this.
It's remarkable.
I'm excited for Fantastic Fouras well too.
It just feels like we're inthis new age where cinema's a

(01:23:56):
focus, there's a buzz,character's a focus.
Like you said, I haven't feltthat in the theater in a while.
Like I, I, I didn't likeGuardians three.
We both agreed it was like it'slike a different like, like it
was like a different kind ofpocket that Guardians three was
in Cause.
I think I can confidently saythat Guardians three and this

(01:24:18):
are the best movies out of outof the post end game era, out of
the post-Endgame era.
This movie it's differentthough.
I mean this movie just it's amovie.
That's the biggest thing.
This is a film.
This is an actual film that wasput together front to back by
creators that care and actorsthat care and actors that wanted
to make a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah.
And then we get to the end ofthe movie where it's like
post-void.
They go to confront Valentina Iwant to kill that lady.
And she's like guys, guys,let's just talk.
And John Walker's like I'm allout of talking.
And then she again like youjust want to see Valentina get

(01:24:57):
her comeuppance, but she doesn't.
Instead, she manipulated thisentire situation to say that
congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
You're an Avenger now .

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
The new Avengers, everybody?
What?
This is the name of the movie.
Yep, they did the thing thatliterally everyone thought they
were going to do.
Yep, and yes, they are now thenew Avengers.
Sam Wilson's like well, yes, wefind out that Sam Wilson is an.
Well, yes, we find out that SamWilson is an expert in
copyright litigation.
Right, so that's the end of themovie.

(01:25:30):
So then, obviously can't be aMarvel movie without your
post-credit scenes.
First post-credit scenes fun,it's again, it's classic Marvel.
You get a fun one, and then youget one that tells you what's
coming next, right, so we getthe fun one with red guardian um
in a grocery store and he'slike trying to sell this woman
on a box of wheaties that havethe the new avengers on it, yeah
, and he's like, huh, that's me,that's me she's like we don't

(01:25:53):
care, we don't care she puts itdown.
Um, it's pretty fun.
I enjoyed that.
And then the second one um, weget a scene directed by the
russo brothers um presumablywill be some, for we'll probably
again.
It's probably classic marvel um.
We'll probably see this scenein avengers doomsday right um
presumably yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
It's very akin to I forget which movie it was.
It's like this is the umcaptain marvel, uh, avengers,
infinity war one it's the okay,avengers endgame.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, it's the ant man post-credits scene.
That was the scene from CivilWar.
That's what I'm saying.
We're back, we're so back.
We're back to post-creditsscenes mattering.
So yeah, we get the newAvengers in the new Avengers
digs.
John Walker's got a beret andhis shield is still bent.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
No, I don't.
I kind of like it no, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I kind of like it because it's kind of like this
is who I am now.
This is who I was when I wasforged into an avenger.
My shield was broken, what's?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
his.
What's his shield made out of,who knows?
I I still love the fact that.
What if it was made out ofadamantium?
And the void is the centuries,just that I think he will get a
new shield at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, they'll give him an adamantium shield nah, I
don't think they'll go that far.
Yes, they will.
They're going to be like he's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yeah, it's the government.
Nah, You're talking to thepresident of the government.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Nah, I don't think he can have one.
Don't give him that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Just give him an adamantium shield.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
No, have it say U don't do that.
The beret is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
He said do you like?
It's a choice.
Do you like your little hat?
He's like the hat.
That's cool.
Can we talk about Bucky's hair?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
yeah, the yassified Bucky great hair yeah, the
yassified he's back to like thisis that was like Captain
America Winter Soldier esque hewas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
He did a lot of aura farming in this movie that was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I gotta see more of it, but that might be my
favorite Bucky look, besides theWinter Soldier.
Yeah, it's a pretty goodlooking costume.
It's pretty great, it's solid.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I like it.
It's solid, yelena, it's goodyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
She's Black Widow.
It's Black.
Widow yeah, they're talkingGhost also yassified Ghost's
hair.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
They did yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
She got a little makeover, pretty nice, bob is
there yep, bob's like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I can't, guys, I can't help.
They're like you're literallythe most powerful person on the
planet, he's like.
But then the void shows up yeah, nobody likes that nobody likes
when he's here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I did the dishes, though, so everyone will be sad
yeah, literally if the voidshows up, it's not great when
he's here.
You think the void would get anavengers suit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
That would be funny.
It's just still.
But like the silhouette's, justthe avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
A, they got a new, a new avengers, a yeah pretty cool
little spike through it.
Yeah, instead of an arrow right, pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Um.
So yeah, red guardian, he'spulling a chris evans from
fantastic four.
Two avengers avengers.
He said sam wilson is litigiousman, I am smart man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Yeah, so we get a little tiny backstory that Sam
Wilson, not too happy with NewAvengers, doesn't like.
It Probably feels a littlebetrayed by Bucky, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Russo brothers, if you guys are truly cooking,
maybe show the you think theyfight each other.
Maybe not a fist fight.
I don't think they're thatpetty.
It would be fun if they likegot into like a little squabble
and like it's more about asquabble, to show that like
Sam's ready to be CaptainAmerica now to him, to like
physically to him, not just notlike the mantle of Captain

(01:29:16):
America.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
I think he might kind of take it as like a slap in
the face sure, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
And Bucky basically said this is you, you are the
leader of the Avengers now.
This is why Steve chose you.
And then for Bucky to turnaround and be like, I got my own
Avengers.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
And we're actually in Avengers Tower.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
And we're the government's Avengers.
Yeah, but Bucky says but he'sCaptain America, he's the
government's Captain America, sosomething's not clicking.
I'm intrigued, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I'm intrigued.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Because I think they're probably in a punch for
a bit and then they're mates.
I just All right.
Who's on Sam Wilson's Avengerswe?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
That's the question.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
He's got one person.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Some people are presumably going to join the new
Avengers too.
I'm assuming I would Would you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Yeah, depends who he has, I'm assuming, because all
the guys that he got areAvengers adjacent.
Well, sam, doctor Strange isn'ttechnically an Avenger.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
No well, he's not going to be on the Avengers.
Sam, I'm going to assume he'sgoing to have Ant-Man Great,
he's going to have Ant-Man.
He'll have Shang-Chi, that'spretty good.
He'll have Captain Marvel,maybe.
Maybe I'll take Captain Marvelout of there, like her, and Thor
are both like kind of likeAvengers adjacent yeah, I'm not
gonna take like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
I know Thor's technically an Avenger, but like
he doesn't do stuff with themSam Joaquin, ant-man, shang-chi,
she-hulk, she-hulk, come on manoh, it is the Hulk Avengers.
No, no, you're doing this again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
An asian man, a latino man, a she-hulk, a
she-hulk, a black man.
Look at the new avengers.
Yeah, it's all white people andhalf a ghost.
That's why they're the realadventure.
No, don't, don't take that.
Take.
They don't know that you'rejoking.
They're going to take this outof context.
Yeah, you have Shang-Chi,ant-man, she-hulk Falcon,

(01:31:09):
captain America, great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Good, who else?
Great team, that's it, and hedoesn't even have any of those
people yet.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
We're just supposing Well, I'm assuming, because it's
14 months later.
I think Sam probably recruited.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
some people Wouldn, because it's 14 months later, I
think Sam probably recruitedsome people.
Wouldn't you like to see thathappen though?

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Well, they're probably going to show it at the
beginning of Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
I would kind of hate, that what Like him forming the
Avengers at the beginning of anAvengers movie?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
We probably should have seen that by now.
Well, sam's going to have hisAvengers team ready.
I would hope you thinkFantastic Four First Steps is
going to invert this post-creditscene.
Maybe that would be fun.
If they get there, they're likewho are the real avengers?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
they land right in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, that just seems .
Oh, it's like the x-men 90,like it's like the x-men 97,
like opening credits, where theyboth run at each other um yeah,
I guess we should talk aboutthat real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
So they're in the, they're in the watch tower
they're arguing they're.
They're at the avengers towerand they're arguing talk about
sam wilson being mad that theyare the avengers now, um, but
they're the new avengers withthe z, and then they're like big
, big thing coming in from outerspace why are they not telling
us anything about it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
because you're being used, jelena.
That's why big thing from outerspace and Bucky's kind of like
quarterbacking Yelena, you knowwhat I love throughout this
movie with Bucky Like one of thesubtle things, how like adept
he is to everything, but like hejust chooses not to like flex
it anymore Because that's nothim anymore.
He's like she's like you cantrack my phone, right.
He's like yes, I can, but Idon't want to because that's not

(01:32:41):
me anymore.
She's like all right, bye.
And Bucky like captures all ofthem, like these super soldiers.
He just captures like it'snothing.
The Winter Soldier, mr Soldier,so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
So yeah, Bucky's kind of like quarterbacking Yelena
on how to like deal with theinterplanetary crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Or just the satellite itself.
Just how had to be an Avenger?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
He's like just open up the satellite and give us an
image please.
And she's like give us an imageplease.
It's like the, the Arrowverse,the, the Invasion crossover.
Oh yeah, when Barry's like wegotta uh, uh and Oliver's like
we gotta spar against Supergirl.
He's like we're gonna dotraining mission and sarah's

(01:33:24):
like, are we just expected notto hear him?
It's like the same thing thatbucky's doing.
And she's like, yeah, pull upthe thing.
And then they're like walker's,like we're running out of space
, like outer space.
He's like, oh, I'm dumb nowyeah that's my fear.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
That's one of my fears.
Don't russo's.
Don't do it.
John walker is one of the bestcharacters out of the new phase.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Don't do it ah, ah, outer space.
Yes, I love space.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Maybe the hat makes him dumber.
Maybe the beret makes him alittle dumber.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Look, the beret is a choice.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
It just doesn't seem combat enough.
But Eddie made such a big dealabout the helmet too, remember
Mm-hmm.
No, it's not a helmet, it's ahat.
What hat?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
what about your hat?
Yeah, yeah, does for sure hatehats.
Maybe they're gonna make a dealout of that um, so yeah,
spaceship comes flying in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
They're like what?
The spaceship?

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
and then great, great cinematic timing out of the
spaceship to do a good classicturn, do classic turn.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
You're the fantastic four for marvel comics, aren't
you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
it'd be funny if there's no fantastic four in the
ship it's just herbie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
No, it would be funnier if it was the thing he's
like, okay okay is this planetgood or what?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
yeah, so the fantastic four are presumably
escaping their universe maybe wedon't know for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Maybe Reed's just sending probes Dicking around.
Maybe he's sending probes outjust to see he's just dicking
around.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
He could be Could be.
Yeah, I think they should justcrash in the middle of both
Avengers teams and be like whichone are the true Avengers we
are the true.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Avengers.
We're the true Avengers.
Wait, are both not the realtrue Avengers?
I request elaborate.
Vision would be on Sam's team.
Wait Vision's having a crisis,wait White.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Vision would be, white Vision would be on which
team?
Think about your answer verycarefully.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Before you proclaim which team White Vision's going
to be on.
White Vision would be on thenew Avengers.
Maybe that's a fun episode.
We divvy out the rest of theAvengers from the people that
are free agents.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
White Vision and Mork Vision.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Come on, man, that's a philosopher vision.
We should divvy out the rest ofthe Avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
That's what I said.
Everyone's a free agent.
Everyone's a free agent rightnow, technically.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Would Thor, funny enough, probably go to the new
Avengers?
Yeah, he don't care, becausewhat's his loyalty to Sam Wilson
?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
None, zero, I don't think they've shared a single
moment together.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Captain Marvel is too much of a Girl Scout.
She'd go to Sam.
Yeah, she'd stay with Sam.
Hulk would go with Sam.
He's retired.
He's going with Sam.
I'm not fighting any morebeings.
She Hulk would go with Sam.
Ant-man, weirdly enough, is themost loyal to Sam.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It doesn't matter who has themantle of Captain America.

(01:36:07):
As long as you're not JohnWalker, I'm loyal.
He said.
Actually, it does matter whohas the mantle, because that
John Walker guy's a psycho.
Why can't I think of any otherAvengers right now?

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Because they're all dead or retired.
Yeah, doctor, other Avengersright now.
Because they're all dead orretired.
Yeah, doctor Strange is inanother dimension.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
He is.
He's coming, though he's goingto be an issue.
Doctor Strange yeah, oh, Ithought you.
I don't know why Doctor Doompopped in my head when you said
Doctor Strange, um, okay, I'mlooking at the landscape of
Phase 4.
And I will tell you who willside with which team.
Okay, alright, we are on to.

(01:36:46):
Okay, wandavision Wanda, she'sdead technically Vision.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Who knows?
He's having a crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Okay, he's unavailable.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Okay, Shang-Chi Sam Sam's team probably we're
skipping the.
Eternals.
We'll never see them again.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Hawkeye Retired Kate Bishop Young Avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
There's a third variant Young Avengers.
Young Avengers, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
All right, this is where it's going to get fun.
Moon Knight Ooh, he'd go withthe new Avengers Defenders.
Come on.
No, that's not.
We're not having a fourth team.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I guess.
I guess Moon Knight wouldprobably be, I don't know.
I think he's going with the NewAvengers.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
Mark Spector is literally thewhole thing.
We were talking about all itscharacters.
Mark Spector also fits intothat.
True.
Yeah, trauma bonding, yep, yepgood point, but Jake Lockley
would go with the OG Avengers.
No, steven Grant would go withthe old Avengers.
Yeah, steven Grant would gowith the new Avengers.
Jake Lockley would hang outwith the Void no, he'd hang out
with the Punisher and the Void.

(01:37:48):
What do you think the Punishersong there, sunshine and
Rainbows, yeah, his worst fear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
What is that his worst fear?
A life without criminals.
This is what.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Ms Marvel the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Young Avengers yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Thor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I feel like he would be.
I feel like he would team upWith the New Avengers.
I think he would do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
I think it would be A fun contrast.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
I feel like he would have More camaraderie With the
New Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
I think.
Well, what I genuinely think Isgoing to happen Is they're
going to Replace Hyperion WithSentry In Doomsday, in Secret
Wars, and him and Thor are goingto be like bros together.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
That makes a lot of sense.
They're going to grow out hisbeard and they're going to clasp
their hands and flex theirbiceps.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
You know what would be funny if you want to talk
about all this trauma bonding ofall the bad crap we've been
through.
Thor has been through so muchbad crap.
He's going to older brotherhimself to Sentry and he's going
to show him how to bring outthe sentry without bringing out
the void.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I feel like you're strong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Yeah, you're strong.
We're both strong, are we bros?

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
now I was gonna be friends with Hercules, but never
mind, no, they were gonna belovers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
That's Thor 5.
She-hulk the Avengers, probablyWerewolf by night.
Leave him home, yeah, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
He's a true one-and-Thing to be in this
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
I still think that this movie needed one Weirdo Big
.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Weirdo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Right, like Guardians has Groot, the Avengers have
Hulk.
Yeah, I think this movie eitherneeded Man-Thing or I think the
one that actually would havefit is the Abomination.
The Abomination would have beenthe fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, because what's Man-Thing's trauma?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Yeah, bring back Tim Roth.
I think Tim Roth would have fitinto this movie really well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
What's Man-Thing's trauma?
What did Man-Thing see in thevoid, him in his human form Him
in black and white.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Oh no, obviously, shuri Sam Namor Not thinking
about a fourth Doctor Doom, he'sjust gonna immediately be like
yo.
This guy knows exactly whathe's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I get this man, yeah, this guy's mad cool Star-Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Funny enough, he would fit the best with the new
Avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Ant-Man Sam Old Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Regular Avengers yeah , Ant-Man and Wasp are a package
deal to the new Avengers, NickFury.
I mean you'd go with Sam.
Yeah, Even when I'm out I'm in.
Captain Marvel obviously wouldgo with Sam.
Echo no, she's not in on this,she's not in Deadpool and
Wolverine don't count X -MenAgatha.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Yeah, she's sitting, this one out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
She's a ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
New Avengers.
She's a ghost.
Did you say ghost?
We can't have two ghosts onthis team.
It says John Walker, daredevilToo busy building his own team,
yeah.
Filled with cherry.
For some odd reason, spider-manSam.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Who else do I got?
I think we covered everybodythat's not dead.
Valkyrie, hey man, she might gowith the new Avengers.
Hawkeye, himself Retired.
He's retired, retired, retired.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Thought you were, you know, retired Ironheart.
I mean, she'd probably go withwherever sherry's going, wonder
man my name's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Yeah, or he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
He's going on the side of aura whoever has the
most aura, he'll find them orthey'll find him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Yeah, yeah, they will they just make him new avengers
because he's like a, he's likea movie star yeah, I got an idea
.
If they do another new avengersmovie, you add Simon Williams
and he's like their new frontman.
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I'm saying, yeah, he'd be all for that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
And if they give him his comic powers, he's an issue.
That's a balanced breakfast.
I don't want to fight that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Yeah, I feel like he would be new Avengers.
Yeah, he would.
They would bring him in want tofight that guy.
Yeah, I feel like he would beNew Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Yeah, he would, they would bring him in.
Yeah, they would.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Because Valentino would be like.
None of you guys are charmingor fun.
You can't just keep sending RedGuardian out there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
They should do.
A Red Guardian might have beencancelled subplot in the next
New Avengers movie.
He was a communist.
He was a communist.
Maybe that's why he's canceled.
Maybe he should run for office.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
So now we brought this guy in Simon Williams and
he's look at him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Yeah, that's Yahya Abdul-Mateen.
Look at him.
The second, he's cool as crap.
He's like hey y'all, hey y'all.
I'm Simon Williams, I'm Wonderman.
Like damn you, is he cool.
Yeah, yeah, he's cool.
What if he's got a red dragon?
He's like so cool.
Mr Soldier, I thought you werethat cool.
That guy's cool that guy's waycooler than you, that guy's way

(01:42:25):
cooler than you, bucky's like,but I just got my new hair.
Yeah, but look at that guy,that guy's cool.
Damn he's cool, is he cool?
The Punisher, the Void.
He's siding with the Void.
He is siding with the Void.
Miles Morales, he's not around.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
He doesn't exist yet.
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Because he doesn't.
I think I covered everyonePretty much, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
I got everybody, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
That's not as many characters as I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
No, they're all dead, for the most part, or retired.
Monica Rambeau she's trapped inanother dimension.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Doctor Strange Also trapped in another dimension?
No, he's going with Doctor Doom.
Yeah, doctor Strange is goingto be like listen, this guy's
got a plan guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
He's also in another dimension.
He's hanging out with Clea.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Yeah, I don't.
I mean, there's not a lot toCassie Lang Young.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Avengers Billy.
Young Avengers.
Tommy, also Young Avengers.
Elijah Bradley we don't, wedon't know if we're ever gonna
see him why was he just not inCaptain America 4?

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
we don't know if we're ever gonna see him again.
I don't.
I don't know what he did toanybody, but that's nothing.
That's a different one but wemight not never see him again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Yeah, that's not great yeah, I think I covered
everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Yeah, so the next thing is fantastic four, wow
we're trucking along this yearfor all the all the great stuff
that's coming out it comes outin two months it does come out
in two months.
Superman comes out in twomonths yeah, fantastic we're
probably gonna get a supermantrailer here soon is what the
streets are saying.
We need something else to do.
Fantastic, huh the make, milestellers the maker.

(01:44:00):
What does the four mean?
You think that like theFantastic, huh, miles Teller's
the Maker.
What does the four?

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
mean you think that the New Avengers looked up at
the ship with the four andthey're like that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yeah, that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
What is that?
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
that this is a big ship with a four on it Lame,
lame, so cool.
I do like your idea that it'sjust Ben Grimm in there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Yeah, Okay, okay, okay, reed, so cool.
I do like your idea that it'sjust Ben Grimm in there.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Okay, okay, reed really outdid himself with this
one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Like who's Reed?

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Who's Reed?
Big, stretchy arms come out ofthe ship.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I'm Reed Richards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Oh, my god, you're, pedro Pascal, you're from
everything.
You're Pedro Pascal from cinemaIt'd be funny if they
recognized the Fantastic Four,since they're from another
universe.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
They recognize them as their actors.
You're not from Stranger Things, are you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Wait a minute.
You're that guy from StrangerThings.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
And then Johnny uses the same logic back to Red
Garney.
He's like wait, you're the,you're not from Stranger Things.
Wait a minute.
Yeah, what a picture Do we getbetter?

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Like the post-credits scene.
Wasn't as like monumental?

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
People were making out as if that Is it because we
were so deprived of a meaningfulpost-credits scene for so many
years that people were like youguys don't understand.
Yeah, I was like alright,because I kept hearing it like
no, this post-credits scene,this is the one Like it changes
everything.
No, it didn't change anything.

(01:45:23):
It was just nice to see thatthey made a post-credits scene.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
We've been so deprived that finally it's cool
that they finally made anotherone that will just here's the
next movie that's coming out.
I was very grateful for that,but it wasn't like oh my god,
Maybe it's because I wasexpecting Fantastic Four or
something.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
I wasn't.
I thought they were going to doa Doomsday thing.
Yeah, so did I.
Well, I mean, technicallyspeaking, this is a Doomsday
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
But I wouldn't have been shocked.
People were making it seem likethe Fantastic Four showed up.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
I thought they were going to show up.
I thought Doctor Doom was goingto show up.
I thought the incursions weregonna start happening and like I
thought it was cause peoplewere saying you guys don't
understand this second postcrazy.
I thought one of the things Ithought was like an incursion
was gonna happen and it wasgonna be.
The X-Men characters were gonnadrop down and then you were
gonna hear the theme and Iwould've been like oh dear, oh

(01:46:19):
yeah, should we do some awardsyeah, why not man?
this movie deserves it thismovie does deserve a lot of
awards.
Alright, best cinema moment inthis movie best cinema moment,
huh.
I love the ambiguity behindthis award because, like there's
so many aspects that go intofilmmaking, you can really be
creative of how you divvy thisaward for me, I think it's

(01:46:42):
Yelena stepping into the void.
Okay, for me it's the openingsequence of this movie.
They practically did that shejumped off the building and then
the top-down shadow fight scene.
I wish we got one more creativescene using not the same visual

(01:47:04):
trick but like the creativityof Jake Schreier and team.
Like I wish we got one moreprolonged action sequence.
You know this movie is like thedefinition of like the one take
action sequence, like thismovie should have encapsulated a
one take action sequence.
That was just like I mean itkind of did with the.
There was bits of the firstfight that they all had together
, but just that opening sequencewith Yelena, just like that

(01:47:28):
drop down shadow fight that shehad was really great best
character.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
That doesn't need to be in this movie best character
that doesn't need to be in thismovie.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
That doesn't the congressman?

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
no, wendell pierce's character I really enjoyed him
for some reason I don't think hehad any clue what movie he was
in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
No, no, no because he was just wacky.
He said in the in the secretsare juicy.
He was like, what was he doing?
He was doing a bit.
That's what I thought he wasdoing a bit, but why?
Yeah, I don't understand.
I don't.
I don't get it.
How'd he get there?
I don't know.
Man, you got a superman movieto do and you just had time for
this.
This is crazy.
You got time to be a wackycongressman.

(01:48:08):
Yeah, it was insane.
Um, best actor to join thefranchise, it's lewis pullman
yes, yeah, I think that's, yeah,that's non-negotiable.
Oh, we can actually use this onebest car bit.
It's the, it's the chase in thedesert.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
It's the chase in the desert or just strictly a car
bit.
It's him pulling up.
Yeah, later yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
It's your dad.
She's like oh my god, Don't goin the vault.
I really like that Best familymember.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Is it Red Guardian?
Is this Fast?

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
and Furious.
Inspired.
Well, this all pulls somethingfrom something, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
I'd say Red Guardian.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
Best side mission?
There's no side missions inthis movie.
Is it Bucky being a congressman, but also being the Winter
Soldier?
Is the best side missions inthis movie?
Isn't Bucky being a congressman, but also being the Winter
Soldier the best side mission inthis movie?

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Yeah, like the Congress investigation into Val.
Yeah Goes back to WendellPierce.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
It is juicy.
It is juicy.
Best side character in thismovie.
Wendell Pierce, taskmaster no,she didn't even get enough to be
a side character.
This movie, wendell Pierce, taxBasics no, it can't.
She didn't even get enough tobe a side character.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Val's assistant.
Yeah, yeah, I liked her a lotyeah she'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
She'll definitely be back.
Best stance Just kidding, butI'll remix the best stance into
like who has the best?
Like who was your favorite setof like?
Your favorite person on theteam's power set specifically,
that doesn't include the Sentry.
We'll just take him out becauseit's too easy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
I really like what they did with Ghost Powers in
this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Ghost Powers are awesome.
I think I like John's becauseit's like, that's like even the
bit of him jumping like theybuffed him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Where did that come from?

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
I mean he's, I know, but like he's a unit, he took
the and somebody made a goodpoint.
Like Steve's serum was theearliest version of the serum.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yeah, it was made in the 40s 40s.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Versus a version that was made in the 2020s.
Like John's serum is probablymore potent and probably
stronger.
And also somebody made a pointwhen Steve got his serum, he was
like a small individual.
Yeah, john walker is the peakphysical specimen that you want.
And then he got the supersoldier serum like yeah, he's
probably stronger than steve islike he's probably stronger than

(01:50:30):
steve.
Like he's probably likeeverything that steve wants to
be.
He's just a psychopath a littlebit um, but no I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
I thought the subject of ghost powers in this movie
was great, like her phasingthrough the helicopter yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
I was just like yeah, this is.
You guys get it.
Yeah, best boss, fight themversus the Sentry, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah, that fight versus the Sentry is like in the
video game when you fight theboss in the beginning of the
game and you're supposed to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
It's one Kratos fight store in the beginning of God
of War.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
It's like when you fight Koton Kan yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Ghost of Tsushima.
I know I'm going to lose, butI'm going to try.
I'm going to try.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I'm going to whoop your ass now, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Ooh, I can feel your spine, johnny.
What is One day we're going totalk about X-Men Origins
Wolverine, a movie I was quiteobsessed with when I was a child
.
Everybody was that movie cameout after.
No, that movie came out afterIron man 1.
Uh-huh, that bothers me.
Sure did I love pitting theX-Men timeline and the Fox

(01:51:31):
timeline against the MCUtimeline and seeing when the
movies came out, because thenyou're like wait, why did
Fantastic Four, rise of theSilver Surfer, come out one year
before Iron man?
And then also, why didSpider-Man 3 come out one year
before Iron man 1?
Because those movies are 20years apart, actually.
Yeah, saddest moment in thismovie Woof, oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Woof Taskmaster.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
No, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
No, I don't man.
I mean the scene, like I said,the scene with Yelena where she
breaks down is heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
But also the scene of Bob in the Void is also
heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
I'm going to go with the scene of Bob in the Void
because I get it man, I get itman.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Yeah, this is a good movie.
It's great, best relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Yelena and Bob.
Just because you said that I'llgo Yelena and bob, just because
you said that I'll go, I'll goelena and and in alexi yeah I,
yeah, I just I just like the waythat they I just I love a good
like kindred spirit relationshipof like two people just being
like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
I see you, yep, you know what I mean and I don't see
whatever version of somebodyyou're trying to be.
I don't see whatever versionthat people are trying to make
you to be.
I just see you because I seeyou.
That's it, yeah, mostunderrated character in this
movie.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Red.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Guardian, I'd say it's Ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Yeah, I'd say Red Guardian, just because, again, I
just think you expected onething from him, like it felt
like he was going to be very bigand loud and funny to varying
degrees of success.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
I mean you can compare this to the way they use
drax and guardians one,specifically because guardians
one, drax, still has the littlebit of like I have a broken past
and b I'm still a problem todeal with.
You do not want to deal with me.
I think 2 loses it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
I think Red Guardian again.
There were moments where I wasgenuinely surprised with the
direction that character went in, Because Black Widow he doesn't
do a ton.
He doesn't even do a ton of theemotional tethering in Black
Widow that he does in this movie.
In Black Widow he's still kindof goofy a little bit Most

(01:53:45):
heroic moment.
This movie has a ton of heroicmoments actually, ironically
enough, yeah, I'm going to sayheroic moment in the sense that
it's the characters savingthemselves and it's when Bob
defeats the Void with the helpof the team.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
My most heroic moment is going to be it's red, it's.
It's Alexi realizing that henot only does Yelena still have
that light, he still has it too.
Yeah, and he's just, he'ssaving P and like he fought,
like that's the red guard,that's the fully realized
moments in this movie is likethe characters kind of saving
themselves which I think isawesome they're saving

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themselves from their darkerhalf by being the best versions
of themselves that they can belike and those one fist could
learn a thing or two they could,they really could don't succumb
to your darker half yeah learnto overcome it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Yeah, best bit.
Uh, I think I like your yourpoint about Bucky Him not being
able to escape his wintersoldierism.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
I think it's pretty funny.
What's the best bit in thismovie?

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
The Thunderbolts bit is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Yeah, shane Shane.
It wasn't Shane's Shane.
What is the best bit in thismovie?
Is it Wendell Pierce?
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
It's pretty good.
I have no clue what's going onthere.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Me neither.
What is the best bit in thismovie?

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
The Bob, his name being Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty good, bestbattle.
I think it's them againstthemselves.
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
That's tough I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
That's a good one.
Them against themselves.
Favorite cameo fantastic fourthat was probably the only cameo
.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
I think that was the, and it wasn't even a cameo,
yeah because they weren't evenin it no the Avengers name.
The avengers tower istaskmaster task.
No, don't, best set oh uh,avengers tower.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
avengers tower is pretty slick, I like that one.
New York this is probably themost alive New York they've
filmed in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Just the subtle trick to have New York be on a dark
and gloomy, just a grayed outday versus the Avengers'.
First time out it was like abright and sunny day.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
This is probably the best that they've had the New
York looking in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
At least in movies, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Daredevil did a nice job.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Well, they shot in New York for Daredevil, which I
don't know if this movie shot inNew York or not.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
It looked like it I mean that scene with Yelena and
Alexei looked like it was set ona New York street.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
There was a lot of extras going on as well, too,
which I like.
That's real movie making yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
So I mean there's a couple that I really like.
I like the little bunker thatthey all fought in I thought
that was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
This movie looks great.
This is a good looking movie.
Best heat check performanceTaskmaster.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Nope the Void yeah, you could argue that because
again he puts up such a distinctperformance.
You could also say like him isthe century too yeah, sure, sure
, like the century himselfbecause like that he drops, like
that whole god bit wascaptivating, like I was, it felt

(01:57:12):
very.
You could tell they were kindof like, a little bit like, but
that with that character theywere kind of like inspired by
Homelander, a little bit SureWith how he was talking to her,
don't be cognizant.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Oh no, he's becoming self-aware.
He said well, you sent on allthe Avengers rolled into one and
there's at least one.
God, I was like I said uh-oh.
I said now that kills what youhave.
Now's the time he got you there.
This is it?
It's like I, I, he wasn't thecentury as long as I thought he

(01:57:44):
was going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Yeah, yeah, I liked.
I liked the little bit that hewas the century I think they're
saving it for doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
I think they're really saving him like going
full because they're gonna needit like I.
What's gonna, how you canimmediately like like give
validity to doom is like captainmarvel thor like the avengers
really pull out the heaviest ofhitters and Doctor Doom's like
yeah, no, yeah, no, absolutelynot Funniest moment.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
Oh, this movie's got a bunch of them and it's much
more organically funny too.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Yeah, I love when he shows up in the desert.
It's so good, it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
I know you know what you know, mom, and pop me a
little bit.
When they're escaping thefacility and the guy goes to
walker and he's like identifyyourself and walker just goes no
and yelena's like oh my godthat really popped me.
I really enjoyed that becausehe didn't even try to think of

(01:58:40):
like a fake, no, nothing.
He just said no, identifyyourself, no.
That really popped me.
Him jumping and landing on hisback was pretty good this movie.
Like you said, it's veryorganically funny, right?

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
um, best exposition dump uh, this isn't bob, this is
robert reynolds from marvelcomics who has the power of a
you know what the bestexposition dump?
It's when they found the Sentryfiles and it's like the golden
guardian of good, all thedesigns.
It's probably the best way theycould have done it.
Sure, because it's so.
Marvel Comics, clunky, stupid,yeah, but somebody kept making

(01:59:20):
the point.
One of the best points I'veseen is talking about his suit.
Like they MCU-ified the suit.
Like no, that was the point.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Like Bob is the only he's manufactured.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Exactly, he's not like a real hero.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Not yet.
Bob is the real hero.
The Sentry is just the conduitfor the power.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
He's Homelander.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
He manufactured hero, right, um, best source material
callback.
Uh, I mean, it's the century,it's, it's the, it's like the
ambiguous past of the centuryand his memory loss.
Like, just for I, I imaginepaul jenkins, because paul
jenkins was at the premiere andlike he was with lewis pullman,
like you gotta imagine he wassitting there like ear to ear
grin of like yeah, wow, like I,like this is insane, like they
got it and like they made it.
They added like a layer of realbecause like the century's

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origin is one of the coolestorigins in like comic book
history, because it's soinnovative.
Um, for those who don't know,essentially what they do with
his origin is the century waslike in the 50s and 60s.
Like he's a golden age hero,but something happens.
The something is the void comes.
Like he's a golden age hero,but something happens the
something is the void comes out.
So he needs to shield himself.

(02:00:26):
So essentially, what he does ishe, what is it?
Reed Richards makes thatmachine to clear everybody's
mind, including himself and JakeSchreier wanted to use that.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
But he specifically said because of Spider-Man, no
Way Home, he couldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Right, right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
So that way you know because jake schreier and john
watts are friends, so that's whyyou may be confused if you're
reading the credits.
Um, and one of the credits saysspecial thanks to john watts
that's why right right it's,it's not.
It's not a literal dig at johnwatts, it's just a fun, right
thing, right, like thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
Like you screwed up my freaking plan, right um, and
then you know he comes back andlike, but it's, it's still
ambiguous, like you don't knowif he's at like, if he's just
this, because like how it playsis like the true origin, is like
he's just like he's a drugaddict that breaks into a lab to
try to get you know high and heaccidentally stumbles upon the

(02:01:19):
century serum and takes it.
But you don't know.
If you don't know which one isthe true century origin?
Both of the?
Both of the true century origin?
Neither of the two.
And where did the void comefrom?
Was the void always there?
Did the void latch on to bob inthe 60s?
Or is the void even real?
Like we don't, you don't know,like you don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Unless we know, the void is very real yes, and the
voids in all of us.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Best NPC in this movie?
Oh, it's the military guy.
Yes, guy, holt, holt, don't doit.
Holt, can we go?
Lethal Holt, god loves goinglethal.
Holt's been practicing for you.
I just know Holt is an X shieldreject, that's like I finally
get to.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
I know when Holt came back from the void he
immediately signed up to be onthe Anti-Vigilante Task Force oh
my gosh, you said I finallyneed somewhere where I can go.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Lethal agreed upon.
Holt Zoro loves lethal.
Favorite action sequence.
Uh, I think it's in the theopening, the facility, yeah, the
.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
That fight it's great .
It facility yeah, that fight isgreat.
It does exactly what any greatsuperhero fight scene should do
and shows you that thesecharacters are capable and shows
them their unique skill set,which is super important in this
movie, because what do we allpunch and shoot?
Yeah, zoom out level.
They all kind of have the samepower, but there's a
differentiation.
I like the differentiationbetween Yelena's fighting style,

(02:02:39):
john's fighting style, redGuardian's fighting style and,
for the brief moment that we see, a Taskmaster's fighting style.
Like they all fight differentlyeven though they all kind of do
the same thing.
Right Like John.
Red Guardian is more bruteforce, john is more like
tactical brute force, and thenYelena is all surgical precision
, and then Taskmaster is likeall just reflex you know memory

(02:03:01):
recall.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
Yeah, and Ghost is like not reconnaissance, but
it's like she's like Shadow.
Ops Exactly exactly Bestmusical moment there's a few,
because this score is justphenomenal.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
There's one point where and I think the internet
will back this up there's amanipulation on the Avengers
theme.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
Yep, I think the internet will back this up.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
There's a manipulation on the Avengers
theme, yep, but that plays,which I really like because
that's like the subtleforeshadowing to, they're going
to be the Avengers, right, it'sjust great, like I love when a
score can tell a story.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Yep, it's um.
For me it's the not alone piecewhere Bob is taking himself out
from being being in the voidand they kind of save him.
We always say they kind of savethem, but he also saved himself
too.
Favorite line?
Oh, this is an easy one.
What did Val say?

(02:03:54):
Righteousness without power isan opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
Yeah she was putting up some numbers.
I mean it's a funny one, it'snot a real one, but I like when
Rob goes, you were cast inAmerica.
And John Walker goes, yeah, why?
And he goes, you're an asshole,Please.

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
Favorite world building or lore moment.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Them becoming the new avengers I think is yeah, the
most impactful lore thing that'shappening.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
It was the most important heavy lifting that the
mcu needed, which you thoughtyou were going to get from sam
wilson, but they still also dofrom sam wilson in the same
movie another.

Speaker 2 (02:04:39):
I mean it's done.
I'm just thinking of lines now.
But when?
When Valentina says thatthey're like we're led to
believe that there are good guysand there are bad guys, but you
eventually realize that there'sjust bad guys and there are
worse guys, and I'm like RIP,valentina, you would've loved
Joel Miller.

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
Yeah, you would've loved.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
Joel Miller.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
What about your dad, Valentina?
Tough deal.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Tough deal.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Favorite shot it's that void shot.
I love that void shot whenthey're sitting in, like I said,
that's where you flex that.
You got the cinematographerfrom Green Knight.
That shot is gorgeous.
While they get into the lastpart of the shame rooms and he's
just sitting there, silhouetted, perfectly framed, perfectly
graded.
This movie just looks like anactual movie.

(02:05:24):
It doesn't look like a product.

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
My favorite performance 3, 2, 1, florence
Pugh.
Florence Pugh.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
Easy.
Lewis Pullman, though man.
Close second, very close second, he was incredible.
David Harbour, a close third.
They're all great.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
White Russell was incredible.
They all brought it Favoritecharacter.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
This is a tough one man.
I think I'm going to settle onYelena.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Okay, man, hot take.
I'm still going to stick withJohn Walker.
I mean, he's still in my topthree favorite additions
post-endgame to the MCU.
It's the complexity piece.
He's not a simple digestiblecharacter, and I appreciate that
it's the complexity piece.
He's not a simple digestiblecharacter and I appreciate that
it's not that simple.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
With Yelena.
It's so crazy.
I don't think it's anyone'sfault, but I feel like I've
connected more with thatcharacter than I ever did with
Natasha, yes yes, yep, there yougo.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
I'll even take it further than just Natasha, just
in terms of characters and likewhere they stand and who they
are and what they've gonethrough, like, not to say, I was
a child assassin like Yelena,but like same thing, like she
feels like one of the mostrelatable characters that we've
gotten.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
So far she feels real .
She feels like a real person,exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
In ways that a lot of the guardians do, which is
funny to think about, that.
They're the ones, like, youknow, captain america's, you
know, coolness staked on himbeing chris evans as captain
america, same thing for thor,same thing for iron man, that
was your big three.
Like, I think, where the newphase was starting to get right
and then they lost a little bit,was like where those characters
were at and like actuallythinking of them as people, like

(02:07:03):
not as like these, like big,bolstered heroes that were like
no, no, like these are likesimple human beings and like
there's complexities and thesimplicities and there's
simplicities and thecomplexities and how do you
handle all those things?
And I think elena is like oneof the best examples of that
being executed and just camefrom an unlikely place yeah I

(02:07:25):
don't think a lot of like youknow.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Obviously you get florence pew.
You want to do something.
I don't think anyone expectedthis character to be what she
could be now which is kind oflike the face of a lot of this
stuff they could.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
You know, we talked about the post black panther
pivot that marvel made, thepost-Thunderbolts New Avengers
pivot that Marvel's going tomake is to make sure Florence
Pugh is one of the maincharacters of Secret Wars.
They're going to make sureshe's Obviously Tom Holland's
going to be at the forefront ofthis.
She'll be, but they're going topivot to make sure she's up
there too.
Yeah, I agree.

(02:07:58):
And then the Fantastic Fourthey're going to make like Pedro
Pascal.
They're going to make sure, butlike from the Avengers new
Avengers, half Anthony Mackiewill be there, but like they're
probably going to push FlorencePugh a whole lot more they might
have stumbled into it, yeah,and they did it twice yeah so

(02:08:18):
your favorite moment from thismovie?
I mean them helping him at theend agreed, that's just that's
it's the agreed is justincredible yeah, um.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
So that's the thunderbolts new avengers,
however you want to call it, yepum I rated this movie.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
oh yep, this is my new bit where I rate movies okay
.
Um, you have 10 categories andthen those 10 categories are out
of 10 and then it'll give it acinema score at the end.
Oh okay, directing.
I gave it a 9.
You have to scale it a littlebit because I know where this is
coming from.
This is a Marvel movie.
I know where this is comingfrom.

(02:08:56):
I guess on the Marvel scale youget into that 8, 9 range.
I think Schreier just had hehas a handle on this Like.
This is his movie.
That's how I feel about it andthat's so much appreciated.
The cinematography I gave aneight.
Like in the middle of the movie, especially some of the Val
scenes specifically for some oddreason, start to feel maybe the
like the smallest bit likeMCU-ish, if that makes sense

(02:09:20):
comparatively to the rest of themovie.
That's the only thing thatknocked it down from being a 9.
But the thing that got it backup to an 8 is you get some of
these shots in these movies andyou're just gushing over Acting.
It's a 9.
This is one of the best actingMarvel movies that we've gotten
and that was what the earlyreviews were saying that these
performances are remarkable.

(02:09:40):
The writing I gave an 8 interms of like the Marvel scale
if you want to use that as welltoo, and it's just the themes
Like to.
You know to kind of execute,like, how do you execute theme?
It's through the character.
That's the only way the theme,like somebody has to live
through it.
So the editing I gave a 9 onthat Marvel scale.
Like this movie is edited tight,tightly, like they're not going

(02:10:02):
to flex the editor, like youget an editor in the in the
absolute trailer Like I did thatfor a reason.
This movie is edited very well.
Um, sound, I gave it a seven.
Like it's standard.
Like this is pretty solid.
Like the sound mix is good.
Like it's nothing.
Like it's good.
Like it's just it's good.
Um, story, I gave it an eight.
Like on that marvel scale aswell, too.

(02:10:24):
Like this is an eight.
Like it's this is a very.
This is a good story.
Like you know, we talk aboutstory.
Like top good.
We always use top gun is likeour north star.
When you're like what's thestory of this movie?
Old fire fighter pilot has onelast chance to teach team.
He has the lead team into the,into the mission.
That's top gun maverick.
This movie story is band ofmisfit assassins have to work

(02:10:48):
together to save bob.
That's.
That's the thunderbolts.
Yeah.
Um, production design I gave itan eight.
Like this movie.
Like the actual their sets.
They were not in some cgi placelike the quantum realm.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
Like these are actual sets yeah, people move in the
spaces movie like that or likelove and thunder, and it's just,
it's night and day.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
Yeah, um, theme nine, like this, is one of the best
thematic pieces that I've everseen the MCU use.
To use mental health as acrutch for this movie um, I
don't even want to say crutch,it uses this as a springboard.
It's phenomenal.
And then the score itself it'sa 10.
This is one of the single bestscores inside of the MCU Point

(02:11:33):
blank period.
Son Lux is going to get all thework after this, which brings
us to an 86% on the cinema score86?

Speaker 2 (02:11:41):
That's pretty good, I 86.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
It's pretty good, that's pretty good.
That's pretty good, yeah, anylast thoughts on the, on the, on
the, on the Thunderbolt.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
No, I mean, I was just.
I think this it feels nice tolike see a movie through all the
way.
When it was like, when it wasannounced, we were like this
could be fun and then we got, westarted getting like the cast
and crew together.
We were like, okay, this couldbe, this could be something.
And then that first trailer, wewere like yes I said wait, wait

(02:12:10):
a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Yeah, wait, wait a second.
Does this movie have colorgrading?

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
wait a second trailer came out and we were like, oh,
this could be special.
And then, coming out of havingseen it, like it was that, um,
and regardless of how it ends updoing at the box office, I hope
they it's easy for me to say,because it's not my money, but I
hope they look at how thismovie was received, not just by

(02:12:34):
like the hardcore fans, but likepeople who like movies, and
they see how those people arereceiving this movie and want to
do more of that.
Yes, and, and it feels likethey are.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
Yeah, I mean, you look at Loki Wakanda, forever is
like a special circumstance.
You look at Guardians 3, whichI guess in its own way it's a
different why, but it's like itsown special circumstance.
That was James Gunn's last loveletter to Marvel and we talk
about Black Panther.
The first was the Guardians.
To get them there LikeGuardians was the first

(02:13:04):
springboard.
To be like no, we'rebulletproof.
You guys don't understand.
Yeah, this movie goes back tothe other half of that of like
no, this is just a good movie.
Like that's in the confines ofthe MCU, it supersedes that.
This is just a good movie.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
Front to back.

Speaker 1 (02:13:29):
And it feels like they are going that direction,
because I think we both agreethat fantastic four has even
maybe more going for it thanwhat this movie had.
Yeah, I think fantastic, youknow, after seeing this and like
, obviously, you know, I evenhate to use the word
underperforming because somemovies would kill to get the
first 45 seconds of the boxoffice return that this movie
got.
But I think Fantastic Four hasa very good chance to make a
billion.
I truthfully think that youhave Pedro Pascal leading that
movie.
It's the Fantastic Four.

(02:13:51):
It's the last movie before thebig team-up movie and
Thunderbolts 2 is battling acinematic juggernaut Not
juggernaut, but it's battlingkind of an unexpected box office
performer with sinners yeah,and people are going back to see
sinners and going, but like,yes, you know it's a tough spot

(02:14:11):
to be in, so but you know, atthe end of the day, the beauty
of it is not looking at it froma capitalistic lens, it's
looking at it from a like acinematic and an enjoyment lens
like that's what a freaking timeto be alive.

Speaker 2 (02:14:24):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I hope this movie does wellenough, but I also hope that the
box office at the end will beall where Marvel looks at it
like, oh, this movie, you onlymade X amount of money, no more.
Yeah, people really like thismovie and liked the message and
liked what it was about.
So, yeah, do more of that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
I guess would be my party message regarding this
movie.

Speaker 2 (02:14:48):
That's going to do it for us this week.
That was a great, great time.
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Next week, we're going to talkabout Andor.

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
Yeah, apparently because they're doing the three,
the arcs, apparently becausewe're 7, 8, 9 just came out and
then next week it will be 10, 11, 12.
That will be it, but apparentlyepisodes 7, 8, and 9, people
are saying it's not only in StarWars, it's not only for Disney,
this is some of the greatesttelevision just ever, and that

(02:15:29):
sounds hyperbolic, but I keephearing it, I keep looking and
people are like no, you don'tunderstand.
These episodes are just,they're them.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
He's him yeah, so next week we'll definitely be
talking about Andor.
Yeah, so next week we'lldefinitely be talking about
Andor.
Um, yeah, I'm really looking,I'm really looking forward to
talk about it because man,special, special show, yeah
Again, much like theThunderbolts.
I mean, we talked about it whenwe talked about Andor season
one, like just did not expect itto be, what it is, no but I

(02:15:58):
mean the through line.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
let what it is, no, but I mean the through line let
the creators cook.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
Yeah, so we'll talk about Andor next week.
Thunderbolts is in the book.
Next Marvel project isFantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
Wow, no it's Ironheart actually.
Oh yes, ironheart comes out inJune, which will be running well
how many episodes?
Six episodes, so it'll probablyend right before Fantastic Four
comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
I have a bizarre feeling that they're just going
to drop that whole series.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
They could At once, which I feel bad for Dominique
Thornback if they do that,because I feel like she deserves
more.
Yeah, it just feels like.
I feel like Riri Williamsdeserves more.
It just feels like that's.
Why are they?
Well, I told you what I thinkhappened.
I think that Jonathan Majorswas heavily in that show as um,
whoever his corporate variant is, and I think they had to trash

(02:16:45):
like 80 of the show and reworkit yeah, so I just feel like
ironheart is kind of part ofthat old guard.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
You know, 2020s it doesn't look bad though like it
actually looks pretty bad likejust conception wise and
execution wise, it feels likepart of like the content,
content, content kind of arcthat marvel was on for a while
and it just feels like it feelslike that they're done with that
.
Um, obviously, throughdaredevil, through this, through

(02:17:17):
fantastic four, captain america4 kind of sort of Captain
America 4 was kind of like inthe middle, like a mismatch of
those things, and Ironheart wasdefinitely part of that early.
Like we're pushing, we'repumping content.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Yeah, I mean, they shot that show like three years
ago.

Speaker 2 (02:17:33):
Yeah.
So I just, I don't know.
It just feels like they want to.
I don't think they want thatshow to come out and like, and
the season finale be the weekbefore the Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
Four it's going to get nuked unless they put
something directly with.
But why would they why?

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
would they right?
So I think there's apossibility that they either A
drop the whole series or dropepisodes in bunches.
They could do 2-2-2, becauseit's six episodes, I'm presuming
, so they could do 2-2-2, Ithink they, I think it's six,
yeah, so they could do two, twoand two, I think they might do,
instead of doing it across,because I mean, daredevil didn't
even do across nine weeks.
No, they did two and then one,one, and then they did the two

(02:18:08):
and then one, one, one, yeahRight.
So I think it's entirelypossible.
They just drop that whole thingin Netflix style, right?
Or they section it up Right.
So section it up, right.
So, ironheart, that are theFantastic Four.
We're still in the crux of somepretty good stuff.

(02:18:30):
The Last of Us is obviouslyongoing Wrapping up in three
weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:18:36):
The Last of Us sucks.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
It sucks that it goes so quick.
So that's it.
We are done for the day, forthe week.
Thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (02:18:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're going through a tough
time, don't be afraid to ask forsome help.
I think that's what this movietaught a lot of people, and so
it's all right, it's there.
It gets dark, but you can getout of it.
So never thought a Marvel moviewould get to here.
I just never thought so yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
No for real it's yeah exactly.
I think this movie resonateswith a lot of people in a lot of
different ways, which is superimportant.
So for me, from the Right,you're going to say Red Guardian
.
No, I wasn't going to say.

Speaker 1 (02:19:23):
Red Guardian.
You're going to say Bob.

Speaker 2 (02:19:24):
You're too old to be Red Guardian.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
You're too young to be Red Guardian.

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
Which makes me perfect candidate to be, bob Say
, the Bucky Barnes of thepodcast.
I'm still old.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
I'm older than Red Guardian.

Speaker 2 (02:19:38):
What are you talking about?
Well, yeah, technically, butBucky's cool, is he cool.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
Yeah, he's real cool.
I thought you were going togive me Bob no, no, no, there's
a lot going on.
I was on meth he said, bob, ifyour chicken self punches me one
more time, I'm going to lose it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
I was on meth.
Yeah, the Bucky Barnes of thepodcast great head of hair.
Bucky did y the Bucky Barnes ofthe podcast Great head of hair.
Bucky did yassify Bucky's hairman he showed up at the end in
that post-credits scene.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
I was like whoa he went to whatever Spider-Man's
hair guy in between Homecomingand Infinity War.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
Yeah, I was like whoa Bucky became an Avenger and now
he's him.
Yeah, who's the stylist forthat team?
Who's the stylist for theAvengers?
It's what's her name.
Who the Vowels person?

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
No, it's Luke Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
It would be Luke Jacobs.
It would be Luke Jacobs.
Goodbye, disaster.

Speaker 1 (02:20:35):
That guy was hilarious, yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (02:20:37):
That guy was tremendous.

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
You use jet fuel in your rocket boots, idiot man,
imagine Tim Roth as theabomination with this crew.
That would've been fun.
I think it would've been a funlike full circle moment.
Yeah, that would've been coolhe, like you know who you
would've related to the most.
John, like I also am thatsoldier like that just is just
following orders.
Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool andmaybe keep taskmaster alive

(02:21:06):
taskmaster.
All right, taskmaster, you werea real one well, I hope by the
time they get to doomsday.
Like they like, add moremembers.
Like they add, like two orthree members that are like from
around the mcu yeah because,like you can just murder them.
Like, yeah, true, the entiremultiverse is gonna end they and
they're going to rescale itRedo everything, yeah, so it

(02:21:26):
doesn't even matter.

Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
So they're going to kill the woke Avengers that
you're so angry about?

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
Oh, man, the woke Avengers.

Speaker 1 (02:21:36):
Shuri would be on the woke Avengers.
Captain Marvel.
Hey man, avengers, captainMarvel, hey man, you said it,
not me.
Um, um, I just the wokeAvengers is a bit y'all it's a
bit.
Don't take it seriously on thathey, they made themselves woke,
no they're gonna think you'rebeing serious to woke Avengers

(02:21:58):
all right, we're getting out ofhere, man.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
See you next week.
We're gonna talk about Endor it.
It's probably going to bedepressing and the best show
ever Yep, both of those things.
Until then, goodbye Peace.

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