153 - Superman Previews, Mission Impossible, and The Last of Us Season 2 - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Infinite Podcast withRobin Kork, the Cube.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode
of the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom for movies,
comics, tv shows, tvs.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
TVs Just.
Tvs Just.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
TVs.
We just talked TVs here.
Yep, what's your take on theSony Vio?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
whatever, it's not bad.
I mean, I like TVs that havethe Roku embedded into them.
Smart TVs.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I have a Google TV.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Google TV's not bad.
It's not bad If you're aYouTube connoisseur.
Youtube TV's actually probablypretty premier, but I just think
Roku covers all your bases.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's it.
That's the TV talk.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
And shout out Mike TV from Willy Wonka and the
Chocolate Factory.
Mike TV would love the TVcorner of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, that's the TV talk of the show, tv shows and
video games.
I'm Rob, I'm here, as always,with Court, court.
We took a little we took ahiatus?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, we did, but we're so back.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Much like Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1
and 2.
Yeah, there was a hiatus.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
There was a hiatus, and then they came back.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Gotta do.
And then they came back.
Gotta do those movies back toback.
We'll talk about that.
Yeah, we will.
Um, yeah, so we're back took alittle, took a little break.
Uh, last episode was about thethunderbolts, um, which was good
, yeah, and then this week we'regoing to talk about three
things really.
We're going to talk aboutsuperman, which is ramping up
into full kind of promotion modeless than a month away from
that movie.
We'll talk about MissionImpossible, the Final Reckoning,
and we're going to recap kindof talk about just debrief on

(01:53):
the Last of Us Season 2.
Lots to talk about, about theLast of Us Critically and
execution-wise and a bunch ofother stuff.
So we're going to forego.
We don't really have a ton ofnews.
Really, all our news is kind oflike Superman related stuff.
Right, like I said, it's goinginto promo mode.
We got a bunch of trailers, wegot, you know, magazine

(02:14):
interviews, we got James Gunntalking about stuff.
So I mean, where do you want tostart with this?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean we can talk promotion first and then we'll
kind of dip into the trailers,because I the whole thought
process and ideology behind apromotional run.
I think this superman movie ishitting beat for beat for beat
for beat and I know the concernwhen the run like not the run
started but before was likenobody's talking about superman.
And then I try to tell peopleall the time this is superman.
Like I don't know where thisbig whole thing that superman is

(02:47):
a b-list or c-list charactercame from.
Like, if you go ask a kid likename three superman or name
three superheroes, they're gonnasay john henry irons.
John henry irons, metallo.
No, I'm kidding.
They're gonna say batman,spider-man, superman, probably.
If you ask them the names, ifyou ask younger kids, kids maybe
they'd say like Captain Americaor Iron man, but like it's

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Superman, he is the archetypesuperhero.
Like, and I was talking tosomebody about this and they
were kind of arguing with meabout the fact that like is
Superman a dead franchise?
Like, can Superman pull weight?
I said you're thinking aboutthis from a perspective of like
that me and you would thinkabout it like that we're nerds
and like we dive into all thisstuff and the schneider stuff
and all the reeve stuff and likeall the things no, most people

(03:29):
are thinking about.
Oh, there's a new supermanmovie coming out and crypto the
dog's in it and it looks fun andvibrant and I'm gonna go see
that and I think the promotionis really hammering that home.
I mean even dipping intoleveraging david corn sweat and
his like good natured humanbeing and James gun himself, you
know, as what he's done withhis career, especially on a

(03:49):
superhero front and a comic bookmovie front like they really
hit something that I think isgoing to propel this movie to a
billion.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's, that's probably a near
certainty at this point.
Um, it had the highest pre-saleticket sales of any movie this
year, which I mean, you knowit's been as far as like
blockbuster-y type movies.
It's been light on that front,so I'm not totally surprised.
No, that essentially the monthof July is going to be owned by

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this movie and Fantastic Four, Imean, and what.
But we always say don't ruleout jurassic world yeah, those
jurassic movies always do reallywell.
Um, that franchise is, is isnever, never as dead as it seems
.
Um, but yeah, I mean to yourpoint, I think they're just
hitting all the right.
They're hitting all the rightnotes.
Um, I think every trailer thatthey show for this movie, you

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know, has a similar kind offlavor, just kind of reinforcing
the idea that, like, this isdifferent, this is a different
Superman than we've seen in thelast decade or so.
Um, you know, we're kind ofmixing modern, you know James
Gunn's kind of modern filmmakingstyle with the kind of ideals
and feel of, you know, theChristopher Reeve era.

(05:06):
Superman is kind of ideals andfeel of.
You know, the christopher reeveera superman is kind of what
this is.
It's like a mixture of those,those two things well, my, my,
my through.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
My third one, and it's probably the most important
one, and it's something that Idon't think people are really
equating for, because I feellike everybody works in such a
movie lens.
These characters come fromsomewhere and that's comics, and
I feel like this iteration ofsuperman is heavily pulling from
a whole bunch of you know, youwant that feel.
I think james gunn has made areal great name for himself,
like no matter what the comicrun is, like pulling and

(05:35):
understanding the vibrancy andthe frequency that you need to
operate on to make, you know, toreally translate, because
there's the adaptation, likethere's logan, there's's the
Logan way to do it, where yousay film first, like we are
making a film first and that'sthe first thing we need to worry
about.
And then there's something kindof akin to this where you know
you're still worried, you knowobviously the form you're, you
know having this through is film.

(05:56):
But also you know we want tohave the comic book come to life
.
And I think you're looking atthese other side characters.
The final tickets on saletrailer really dove deep into
that.
I mean, you see Metamorpho inthere.
You see, you know the JusticeSociety, justice League in there
the early iteration of theJustice League, like I think
James and team is reallystarting to understand.

(06:17):
I think there's like anobligation that this movie has
and there's like there'spressure to this movie.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Sure, there's tons of pressure.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
And I don't think people, I think the pressure is
not everybody's tapped into theway of just like the Schneider
gang versus.
No, I think the pressure comesfrom making a summer blockbuster
that can start a franchise andnot only start the franchise
because they did it in 2013,.
Keep the franchise alive, keepthis franchise going and at the

(06:44):
end of the day, I just think ahopeful superman that runs up
and kids come up and hug him andyou know he's saving every
bystander that he can and likethat line in the in the official
trailer always gets me wherehe's just like.
You know I wasn't standing foranybody except for peace and
good and he's just like ifpeople were going to die, like
that's his whole mo is save asmany people as I can yep, yeah,

(07:08):
and I mean you know from thejump, you know just seeing all
the other type of charactersthat are gonna be involved in
this movie.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like james gunn, when it comes to these superhero
movies, has this gift where hegets you to care about every
character that shows up, right,whether it's the guardians of
the galaxy, whether it it's inthe Suicide Squad.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Like you know, made Bloodsport kind of like a
household name, right yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Shit got Peacemaker an entire spinoff.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
You're talking Peacemaker.
What about you know the wholefirst lineup of the Guardians of
the Galaxy?
Nobody knew who Star-Lord wasin 2014.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, self-included.
Our lord was in 2014.
Yeah, self, self, self included.
Right present company included,like I just saw it, because it
was a marvel movie and it wasfun and then ended up being one
of my favorite superhero moviesof all time, right?
So, um, I have no doubt that.
You know he, he has a gift whenit comes to getting people to
care about characters, andobviously it's going to work
with the core superman cast, butI also think it's going to work

(08:04):
with the core Superman cast,but I also think it's going to
work with the likes of Hawkgirl,green Lantern, you know, et
cetera.
I think you know that's goingto work in his favor as well.
And you know this movie is, Ithink it's going to be
positioned to be probably likethe movie of the summer, and
it's just a good time.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Like I really I've been saying this, like I really
think this could be thesuperhero version of
Barbenheimer, but just in theFantastic Four, it's the
positioning of the way themovies are, because at this
point, from for the, for the MCU, people will go see it
regardless.
People will go off of thatalone, people will go to see it.
I think that move, I thinkpeople are underwriting
something for fantastic four andthat's the power of Pedro

(08:55):
Pascal, which we're going totalk about today.
Like he will get people in theseats.
That with himself the fantasticfour is a franchise from this
1960s aesthetic will get peoplein seats.
And this is, you know, the lastmovie to come out before
Doomsday, correct?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, because?
Oh yeah, because they delayedDoomsday to December.
So it's going to be weird.
We're not going to get a Marvelmovie for a year and a half,
which is interesting in ofitself, unless something
magically pops up in thedoomsday spot.
Oh no, brand new day I thinkyeah so it's gonna be a year
away from spider-man, but what Ithink's gonna happen is
superman is gonna be like it'sgonna bypass all of like the

(09:33):
nerd stuff and just be a reallygood summer blockbuster movie
with, like you know, thesuperhero, like the world's
superhero, and I think kids aregonna love it.
Like this seems like a movielike bring the whole family to
the movie, and then FantasticFour is also going to double
back off of that.
I think people like us areprobably going to see both
movies in the same day and youknow what a better time to be

(09:54):
here, what a better time to bearound.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
We can speculate, do all these things but at the end
of the day, best time ever.
Yeah, no, I, I agree, I thinkit's.
I think it's silly to kind ofpit these two movies against
each other and just enjoy themfor what they are, right.
I don't know if that soundslike lame, like centrist, like
enjoy everything, but that'skind of the like.
There's never, there's neverbeen.

(10:18):
There's a manufactured rivalry.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, there's not an actual rivalry no, no this is
like to that point, like what'shis name?
James Gunn was talking about it.
Yeah, I talked to Zack Snyderabout the trunks before and
everybody's like you need toeither believe in one or why.
Why is that such a prerequisitething that needs to be mandated
?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Right, I don't understand it.
The tribalism thing will alwayskind of baffle me.
But yeah, I think we'retrending in a good direction
with Superman, which I mean fromthe onset of all of this.
I think neither of us areterribly surprised that this is
where this is culminating.
No, just because I mean youtalk about all the time the

(11:03):
personnel piece Mm-hmm, you knowthat's what always gets us
Right.
You know when you're like, oh,this person's doing this and
you're like, yeah, everybody wasover the mood when the Suicide
Squad came out.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Obviously, guardians 3 was like we didn't even like.
It was to the point where, like, guardians 3 is such a separate
piece of where that current MCUwas at that time in 2023.
It it's such a separate pieceof where that current MCU was at
that time in 2023.
It was such this special filmthat was coming out.
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(11:43):
Usually we always go for, likeyou know, the crew on this movie
, but I want to focus on thecast for this movie.
Um, david corn sweat isprobably the most inspired
choice.
Well, there's so many actors inhollywood that have, like, had
accounts of, like talking todave and they're like, oh,
that's just superman, like,that's literally just superman.
Like jack quaid was in aninterview and he was just like,
yeah, like, yeah, like David'smy friend, but like he said, he

(12:05):
was like thinking about, likethe Superman audition.
But then David was there andhe's like, oh no, like there's
no shot that I will ever be ableto play a live-action Superman
if somebody like this exists,like, but it's not just the look
, it's the feel Like he actuallyfeels like Superman, he
actually feels like Clark Kent.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
And then my favorite casting out of this whole thing,
for some reason it's NicholasHolt as Lex Luthor.
Like I think we're about to seea villain that's going to stay
around for a while.
Like don't kill him off, don'tdo anything, just let him, you
know, have his machinations inthe shadows for as long as you
need.
To be Rachel Brosnahan, I mean,like she actually seems like a
they've never.
They've never missed on a loislane casting no no, like she

(12:44):
seems like a little, like sheseems tough and strong and like
doesn't take any crap from clarkor superman at that, to that
fact, which is great.
So no, I I think they haveeverything nailed.
Like I think they haveeverything down packed and like
it's the in james gunn, we trustpiece, like I don't know why
it's such an insane statement tosay.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah.
Yeah for sure.
I mean, that's really it as faras Superman.
Like we're less than four weeksaway from seeing this thing
Actually, about three weeks intothe day from when we'll be
seeing this thing, which is kindof crazy.
I love this time.
I love this time where thething that we've been talking
about for months finallymanifests Right.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, it was crazy.
It's when the tickets on saletrailer came out.
I'm like we're a month away.
The whole ticket sale, like theticket sites were crashing.
Like I genuinely think thismovie is going to make a billion
and I was skeptical like twomonths ago.
Three months ago, I was alittle nervous that this movie
was going to make in the 700range.
But I think to kind of creditmyself back.
I mean, like I said, if you'retapped out of all the nerddom,

(13:48):
like this is still a super, aprime superman movie coming out
in the middle of the summer.
Like this is primed to me.
Like kids are gonna love thismovie.
Like families are gonna lovethis movie.
This is a two hour nine minutemovie.
People are probably gonna gosee this movie again.
Like this movie has everythingbuilt for it to make and it's
hopeful.
Like it seems like somethinglike you're gonna feel good

(14:09):
after watching this movie.
Like so be it, I'm glad likelet's just have a good time at
the movies, as tom cruise wouldsay.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah speaking of tom.
What a transition, greattransition.
Um mission impossible.
The final reckoning released,uh, a couple weeks ago.
Um, it is the direct sequel tomission impossible dead
reckoning um previously titleddead reckoning.
Part two um dead reckoning cameout less than two years ago,
but it feels like it came out ahundred years.

(14:38):
Yeah, I don't know why thatmovie felt like it came out in
like 2015, yet fallout stillcame out in 2018 I think this
movie, the way this movie isstructured, is part of the
reason why it feels like DeadReckoning came out 100 years ago
, because this movie also makesit seem like Dead Reckoning came
out 100 years ago Right.
Yeah, so this movie notoriouslywas shot pretty much right after

(15:02):
the first one Right shot prettymuch like right after the first
one right um.
But obviously you know this gotswitched around.
The pandemic and all this stuffum makes this a weird kind of
almost disjointed right duo ofmovies.
Right um, and I guess you knowwe could talk about.

(15:23):
This movie had a $400 millionbudget.
Yes, it's going to make about$500 to $600 million by the time
it's done, which is you knowthat's pretty.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I hope it makes the $600 million.
But if you're talking aboutstraight return on investment,
that's where you start to get alittle nervous.
I have a feeling that Tom knewthis was the last Mission
Impossible movie he would make.
So he said let's run the billup.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
They ran the bill up.
They ran that bill up.
They ran the bill up.
They ran the runtime up.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
They ran up the flashbacks, they did.
Let's talk about this movie alittle bit, just general
thoughts.
I mean, it was obviously thismovie.
These movies are always builtaround the spectacles.
We got two pretty big ones.
I think I liked the first onebetter than this one.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think Dead Reckoning Part 1 is more
cohesive.
You know what I'm thinkingabout.
I'm thinking this movie is it'snot as Vice versa.
I'm thinking about I'm thinkingthis movie is it's not as it's
no vice versa.
I'm thinking of no Time to Dieas a like, as a way to like
North Star myself for the waythat this movie is.
It's like it's an homage tothat franchise, but it ends the
franchise.
I think no Time to Die does itbetter and a little bit more

(16:40):
direct of this is the end pieceto this franchise.
However, I'm sorry, I don'tknow if this is the end piece to
this franchise.
However, I'm sorry, I don'tknow if this is outrageous.
Outrageous to say deadreckoning part one is a better
film through and through.
I had some fun watching thismovie.
It is.
It is just bring back cacklingvillains.

(17:00):
Let's start there.
Let's start with gabriel, let'sstart with the villain of this
movie, then we'll work our wayback up yeah, I mean, I guess
the thing that kind of jarred mehe didn't come off as that in
the first movie.
No, he was like cold andcalculated and I wonder if it
was.
You know what I was thinkingabout.
This movie technically was thebeginning summer blockbuster.
I think was mission impossible.

(17:20):
So I can see as when they kindof transitioned into the way,
because I think they probablyreworked this movie a good
amount and you know, obviouslymovies like this kind of have to
are encompassing of the worldevents that are going on too.
I don't think people thinkabout that sometimes, like when
things are happening in theworld, like that are touchy
subjects, like studios might belike maybe we should pivot a

(17:41):
little bit, and I think some ofthat might have happened.
Narratively, I think, and itcould be simple as like
narrative, like something theywere like this just isn't
working.
Like we're trying it, it's notworking.
We need to go about some thingsa little differently.
Not that this movie feelsdisjointed, like it's still well
edited, but I can definitelysee some differences that were
made at some points.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And it has, like the differences have to do with, I
think, the antagonistic forcefrom the first one.
In the first one, the entityand Gabriel, by proxy, came
across as this like anywhere,anytime, you don't know what's
real Da-da-da-da-da, and theytouch upon that in this but you
never really feel that.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
No, no, not overtly Like it's more.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
The plot and the brush up against the entity is
much more straightforward thanit was in the first movie.
Right In the first movie it waslike we don't know what's real
we don't know, like we don'tknow how to catch Gabriel, we
don't know how to stop theentity.
In this movie it's like oh no,we have to stop it, we just have
to do.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
We just have to do it do what you would say an
impossible mission also you know, I guess we'll we'll step on
the ending real quick.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
A little bit did this feel like the last one?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
to you.
No, no, it felt like there.
It felt like very.
You know what this gave mevibes of at the very, very, very
end of ghost protocol, wherethey had like a brand new team
that they just had put together.
But even he doesn't feel out ofit.
No, no, if anything, he mightbe the most in he's ever been.
He might actually be the most.
Back After Fallout he wasprobably out.
He's like I'm done, I can't dothis anymore.

(19:15):
This sucks.
Saw my wife again that Ithought was dead and she's alive
.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
In this one.
He has the box and he's justlike, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
See you later.
Good job team.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
We'll see you for the next Mission Impossible.
I'm like wait, you're supposedto be done after this, yeah, how
many impossible missions do wehave left?
Yeah, so we can just kind oftalk about it.
So this movie is set two monthsafter the first one, the end of
the first one.
It feels like it's been 500years.
Yeah, his hair got way longerin two months, yep.
And pretty much the idea isthey have the key.

(19:54):
Remember the key.
Yes, the key from the end ofthe first one Immediately loses
it.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they never have the keys,
immediately loses it.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
But basically this movie is a race against time.
The entity is hijacking thenuclear arsenals of every major
world superpower and he's justgoing to.
He's going to Ultron, thisbitch, yeah, he's going to peace
in our time.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, basically, the entity is like turning the world
against itself, like it'staking public opinion and
skewing it.
Bit on the nose, the Entity,don't you think?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, the Entity is going full Ultron.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Peace in our time.
We're going to destroy theEarth.
Use the stones to destroy thestones.
You did what the Entity's goingto nuke the Earth and then from
the ashes of that, We'll builda better one, will we?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
No, we never do, we just can't seem to ever figure
that part out.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't think the entity thought this plan through
.
This is my take.
Yeah, Because I think even whenEthan goes into the weird
entity chamber and talks to theentity, he's like you're going
to destroy the world.
And chamber and talks to theentity, he's like you're going
to destroy the world, and thenwhat?
And the entity's like mind yourbusiness.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, basically Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
He shows Ethan, or it shows Ethan everything that has
happened, everything that willhappen, Right, and Ethan's like.
I know what I must do.
We have to do the thing thatthe entity isn't prepared for
but is also prepared for.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, the entity definitely was prepared for
everything.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It was.
It was just a matter of likecan we do this fast enough?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, can this fit into a three hour run time?
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
We'll see that's the true and possible mission man.
There's a lot in this movie.
I made the joke to you in thetheater after the submarine bit.
I'm like there's a whole notheract.
There's a whole nother movie.
That was quick.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well, all right, so I guess we can keep talking plot,
Then we can kind of move toaction.
Um, but it's all over the place.
It is, it, is it, it is, it's,it's dense, it's, it's extremely
dense.
But like, I'm sorry, I was inlike I was in, like, I think
it's, because last year I re, orright before dead reckoning,
part one came out like Ire-watched every single mission

(22:12):
impossible up into that one.
So like my brain still was,like I was so all in on it and I
still am, so from thatperspective I was having so much
fun.
Like tom cruise's dedication tothis it's, it's absurd.
Like that brother needs somehelp, that's what powers this
whole movie?
yeah, it's, it's tom.

(22:32):
It's tom cruise.
He's just like he's doing this.
He is doing this.
He's absurd.
Is he the cackling villain?
Like he's up, he's so about themissions, like he's so ready to
die at any turn.
I love it.
He loves it.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, the only other character in this movie that
loves the game more than Ethanis Tramiel Tillman's character.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh, so I had to rename.
One of our heat checkperformance award has officially
been renamed.
What's his name?
Captain Jack Bledsoe.
Yeah, captain Bledsoe, heatcheck performance award.
Holy moly, if you're going topoke the bear, what did he say?

(23:16):
If you're going to poke thebear, you came to the right one,
or something like that.
He said mister, mister, hekeeps calling him mister.
He's got so much aura heactually might have invented
aura.
I thoroughly enjoy that yeah.
For those of you who don't know,he's really risen to fame since
Severance had come out, buthe's so awesome.

(23:39):
He's amazing Like they justthrow cameos Not cameos, but
like they throw people like NickOfferman's in here.
Hannah Waddingham, I thinkthat's how you say her name.
She's in this movie.
Yeah, like they just keepthrowing people into this movie
and it's great, it's amazing.
But so, yeah, what's the plotof this movie?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I mean we're stopping the entity again.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, so basically the Entity is like I want all
the nuclear arsenals, the.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Entity has, also Because we talked about before
that Ethan Hunt is the livingmanifestation of destiny.
The Entity has kicked Gabrielto the curb and has chosen Ethan
as his new avatar Now here's myquestion why wouldn't you start
with that With Ethan Hunt?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
He's done every impossible mission and that's
the guy and you want to go withGabriel.
What's Gabriel done?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Kill Ethan Hunt.
He's done every impossiblemission and that's the guy.
And you want to go with Gabriel.
What's Gabriel done?
Kill Ethan Hunt's girlfriend.
Yeah, ethan is.
He's this universe's version ofJesus Christ, and I wish I was
being facetious when I said that, but the plot tells you that.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
The plot of these movies.
Yeah, that was always meant tobe Ethan they literally call him
the living manifestation ofdestiny.
Yeah, he said, it was alwaysmeant to be him.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I saw a thing that was like you know if.
What was it?
I think it was like John Wick,ethan Hunt, james Bond and I
forget who the other person waslike going to like a room and
battle it out.
Manifestation of destiny he isdestined to win at all times.
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
It is nuts.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's crazy that this, like semi grounded spy thriller
has given us like a messiahfigure.
Yeah, but that's what thesemovies have done and it's kind
of hilarious, so yeah, so theentity has kicked Gabriel to the
curb and has chosen Ethan asit's avatar to fulfill it's

(25:30):
purpose, which is nuclearholocaust, and Ethan's like nah,
but why would the entity wantto do that?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
we still don't know.
There's two things.
One is a franchise thing, oneis the movie thing.
One of the franchise thingsthat's really been bugging me is
Gabriel's character lacks, andit's going to relate back to the
entity.
But who's Gabriel's characterLike?
I don't think you know what Iwas thinking.
Well, we were building it andthen it just never.
And you can use ambiguity to acertain extent the right way.

(26:02):
This was not the right way tohow to accentuate ambiguity,
because it leaves something.
It leaves my care for gabrielout of the window, because I
don't care.
I don't know what his beef islike.
I don't understand why him andethan are so, because dead
reckoning, part one is soencompassing that gabriel is
like ethan's, like it's his last, like this, is like his, like

(26:23):
arch nemesis, and they nevergive you anything as to why they
hate each other no.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And then it's like in this movie, the motive, the
motive is completely flip.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well you know that he killed, but like, who did he
kill?
Like, why do I care that hekilled?
Like, who is this woman that hekilled?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
and he's also positioned as, like ethan's,
kind of equal.
Yes, not physically, though nomore.
Like you know, he's kind oflike one.
Yes, not physically, though nomore.
Like you know, he's kind oflike one step ahead.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Because the entity's helping him no well, I guess not
.
See, this is the confusion part.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
The only time he's one step ahead in this movie is
when he kills Luther, but thenhe's, but Luther's the most
ahead, Like he's Finneas Freak,like he's the most ahead, yeah.
So yeah, that's why it kind ofthis movie has a villain problem
, but also Because, like there'sno, gabriel's not, gabriel
takes a step back from beinglike a formidable foe Right and

(27:16):
the entity is never really likethere, mm-hmm, in the way that
it was in the first movie, likewhen you're just like, oh, it
could be anywhere, it could beanything, it's manipulating this
, this and this, like it'sreally just like it's busy in
this movie Like just hijackingall the nuclear arsenals, right,
and it literally just becomesTom Cruise and his crew against
time.
Right, he is destiny fulfilled,and you know he and he, like he

(27:41):
knows everything that's going tohappen Because he saw it
already and he just has to notdo it.
Also, you know what bugs me?
That plot point where he tellsGrace don't go on the ice.
That never manifested inanything.
She goes on the ice, she pullshim out of the ice if anything.
No, she didn't pull.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh yeah, she did, but they did it a different way.
I guess Is it to show that theentity is beat?
I don't know what the idea is,but like, here's the thing From
a, turn your brain off and enjoythe cinema perspective.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I was in.
Yeah, I love the spectacle.
The submarine bit is prettygreat.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
That's where the movie kicks it Like really kicks
into that third gear and youknow, dead Reckoning part one is
a structured film Like that'sthe one that you want to go for.
Like this mysterious entity iscontrolling the physical villain
, which is Gabriel, and Ethanfinally has a comp to himself,
like a physical and emotionalcomp, and we're going to get the

(28:42):
whole story of what their truebeef is in the set.
Nope, nope, nope.
My man from the CIA from thefirst movie is back and he's in
this movie a lot and I like hima lot.
He was great.
He was great.
What's his name?
I always forget his name.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
The character's name.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I always forget his name.
What is his name?
Why am I forgetting?
I forget, he forgets too.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
He was a minor character in the first one.
This movie does a lot of weird,not weird.
Some of the retconning work.
Some of the retcon is totallyridiculous, right, like the fact
that the rabbit's foot fromMission Impossible 3 was the
original source code for theentity.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, it wasn't.
I knew they were going to tryto do something earlier from the
franchise the CIA the callbackto one absolutely works Right,
like bringing that guy back andthat whole time.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That absolutely works .

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
The MI3 callback with the rabbit's foot?
No, that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's retconning and callback for the sake of
retconning and callback, yeahyeah, because there was a
biological weapon there.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was a biological weapon, just cut it out.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It had the biohazard thing on there.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, let's stop it.
Let's not do that, do that,let's not do it.
Um, yeah, what else?
What else about this movie?
I mean we can go go down thecharacters in this movie, like I
mean we could stop.
Start with tom cruise.
He's, he's absurd, he's amazing, he's, he's just phenomenal.
Like there's not enough wordsin the english language to say
how great he is as ethan huntyeah he fits the bill, like he's

(30:11):
just you can tell.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Like you can tell he's getting older, like yeah
they do a whole action sequenceoffscreen, mm-hmm, which is
great.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's a great bit Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
When it's just the close-up, it's the shot, it's
just.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Grace, the camera's just on Hayley Atwell yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And you're just hearing like it's like cartoons,
yeah, and then it cuts back toEthan and everyone's dead and
he's like alright, we gotta go.
I really enjoyed that as amasking of like yeah, we're not
gonna give Tom Cruise.
He does get a little fightscene though.
Yeah, he does In the submarine.
Yeah, he fights that one guyBecause the Entity has a cult,

(30:49):
which makes sense, I guess.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I do agree with that that the Entity has these
followers that are like theworld does need to end.
Why do people fall for it?
Cut it out.
They've been tricked.
You know what's funny about allthose cults that the world
needs?
You're gonna be so mad when yousee.
Look up, you're like maybe itdidn't need to end.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait asecond.
Not me, not me.

(31:11):
I didn't.
I didn't mean me.
I just I meant maybe like a lotof us.
Um, not me, not me.
I didn't mean me.
I just I meant maybe like a lotof us.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Hayley Atwell's character is back.
Grace, I like her.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, she's a great.
You know I have a personal lovefor Rebecca Ferguson, but she's
still great.
She's amazing.
I love what they do with hercharacter.
I love characters that kind ofascend into something you know
what I mean Like ascend into alittle bit of a higher calling.
I really appreciated that andlike her skills are actually
useful.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Tom Cruise kiss a woman in a movie.
Challenge no no he refused.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
No, why would he do something so blasphemous He'll
get?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
really close to the point where it's like it's weird
that it doesn't happen.
Will they, Won't they?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
No, they won't.
They actually won't.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
If they do, it'll be off screen.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah it will be off screen.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
She also has a little bit of living manifestation of
destiny vibes Like.
You're the only person that cansnatch this fast enough.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Is she on the planet?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Eight hundredths of a millisecond or whatever it was.
She needed to do that, butshe's good.
She kind of is like the A plot,b plot.
This movie had Fast and Furiouswhat was it?
10?
This movie had Fast X vibeswhere it was like Ethan by
himself doing a mission and thenthe team doing a mission.

(32:39):
I was like what are we doinghere?
What is this?
And I think that's I honestlythink that's COVID related.
I think they had to kind ofsplice this thing together where
like they needed.
you know, he had to be byhimself, and then they had to be
by himself, and then they hadto be by themselves.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's crazy because, like my brain in the year of
2025 is like that's no longeraffecting movies.
Yes, it does, yes it does andyes, it has.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
We can talk about Ving Rhames real quick yeah.
He's not in this much.
Don't do it, ethan.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Spoiler alert Luther, dies he gets exploded, yeah,
but he goes out like a real G.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
He does, it's the end of the world, brother, brother.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Ethan said my black friend, please, please, don't do
it.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you're right, luther, as much as the entity,
was 10 steps ahead.
Luther was 15 steps ahead.
He was.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Like you're talking about the Phineas Freak.
What is his name?
The Phineas Freak.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
He knew everything that was going to happen.
He did know it To the pointwhere he left a message for
Ethan after the thing was done,it was plugged in to the source
code.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, why couldn't they just use my point and make
him the one that actually, whydo the rabbit's foot thing where
the entity could have came fromLuther before Mission
Impossible 1?
Yeah, that would be coolbecause then it would have been
like then luther's sacrificewould have been like like go
right my wrongs, like I, yeah,like I, I proved over the last x

(34:04):
amount of movies that, like Ididn't mean to bring the world
to the brink.
But, like you know, this is thelast.
You know I will kill the thingthat I, that I did, I just need
to sacrifice my life.
It would have contextualized it, I think, a little bit.
I think it would havestreamlined it a little bit more
.
I think his death would havemeant a little bit more because,
like I wasn't teary-eyed whenhe died, like I've had character
deaths where I've beenteary-eyed, like that didn't

(34:24):
really get me.
It's sad, it sucks.
Like ving rames is amazing, butin terms of where that movie
was headed and how muchinformation is being shoved into
your head like it didn't hit me.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I think that's.
This movie is subsequentlyreally long, but also doesn't
spend enough time on the stuff,the character stuff, which I
mean I'm not expecting that inthis movie anymore.
Simon Pegg is in this as Benji.
I think this is probably thebest he's been in these movies.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
He kind of pulls the fits from Agents of SHIELD card,
where he finally has gotten allthe way up to being like no, I
want you to be a pseudo-leaderof this team.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And that's his whole arc.
He becomes the leader of thefield team.
Versus when he first starts,that's a full 180 arc.
Like he's still and he's likeleading.
Like he gets shot and he'sstill giving out instructions.
Like his lung is collapsing andhe's still telling her how to
you know how to hack into themainframe, for lack of a better
term.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, pom Clemente fits back as the assassin.
I think she's phenomenal, she'sgreat.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Put her in every action movie ever.
Put her in John Wick.
Put her and Caddy O'Brien,who's in this movie, in John
Wick.
Yeah, they're the most JohnWick-encoded people ever.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, she just wants to kill Gabriel Yo great.
Good, good, very good.
I love it.
Shea Whigham is back, as again.
This is another retcon that isa little bizarre that he's John
Voight's son.
We were in the theater, likewhat.
That doesn't track.

(35:58):
Come on, man, he's like I neverknew him.
But you killed him.
I hate you.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
All right, man.
As much as intelligence is yourlead to believe, you still
think your dad was a good person.
Ethan was good.
After that they said good jobon killing Jon Voight Right.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
We get Angela Bassett and her crew of characters.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
She's the president now.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yep, she's always phenomenal, she's great yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
There's not a crazy amount that you could go about.
She delivers every single time,both line delivery and just
delivery.
On the performance, it'samazing every single time.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We got my guy from Mindhunter.
It's amazing.
Every single time we got my guyfrom Mindhunter, it's their
secretary of defense.
He said you can't do this.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
They were beefing in the situation room, madam.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
President launched the missiles.
She's like no, I won't.
Actually I'm going to let EthanHunt she's the only person in
this franchise that trusts EthanHunt to do the thing.
How many times I did like thatbit where Nick Offerman breaks
down all the other MissionImpossible movies.
Yep, he's like you did this,you did this, you did this, you
gassed the security council.
And that was two months ago.

(37:04):
That was two months ago.
That was in Mission Impossible,dead Reckoning, part 1.
We already talked about TramielTillman, the best, the best
character in this movie.
Um, and then, yeah, I mean, atthe end of this thing, he, just
he, he does it, they do, they dothe impossible mission.

(37:24):
What there's a great I mean thebiplane bit is oh, let's, let's
, let's, let's talk about it fora second.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
What?
Tom cruise is the coolest guymaybe ever, and this is to my
point of like.
Bring back cackling villains,because Gabriel's just, he's
having the grandiose time of hislife.
Y'all never catch me, ethan.
He's flipping the plane upsidedown.
Tom Cruise is holding on fordear life.
I'm like Tom, you just.
They made CGI years ago.

(37:52):
Tom, you don't have to do this.
He said shut up, get me on thatplane.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm going.
It's mesmerizing to watch.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's my favorite bit no-transcript, because if
you're at this point in thecareer of mission impossible and

(38:20):
like this is the level you'reworking at, both, for you know
the submarine sequence and theplane sequence the first act is
missing a truthfully inspiredaction sequence in there too.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think that's probably why people were so like
and it's a long movie, so like,you need a gripper right out of
that first act yeah, it doesn'treally have one um, but the
plane, the plane bit, isabsolutely insane, like there's
really no other, there's reallyno other way around it.
Like it's, and I love like thecutting back and forth to like
the team and ethan on thebiplane and it's, it's really,

(38:52):
really good.
And then the way Gabriel diesis shocking.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, it is Gets ripped to shreds.
It was visceral.
Yeah, he splits his head on thetail of the plane and you're
like ooh.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yep, Shit, my bad.
It's very sudden.
It is You're like whoa, andthen he jumps out of the plane.
We have a.
We have a a broken parachutebit where it's like one last bit
of like.
Oh no, but of course he's goingto be fine.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
You forgot.
You're talking about Ethan Hunt.
Ethan Hunt, um, and then themovie ends.
And was it the final reckoning?
Doesn't seem like it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
No, I mean overall, like a franchise ender, I think
they're going to pivot, yeah, soyeah, they're going to pivot
and Tom Cruise is going to stepout.
I do, I genuinely.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
He'll step back in, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
He's not out.
I think he's going to move onto something else.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Like I think he's going talked to Glenn Powell and
said you're taking this from me.
He'll come back, He'll be thehead of the IMF or whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
That would be cool if he was the head of the IMF.
But he's so good.
Why wouldn't you just have himin the field?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
That's what I mean.
These types of movies it'ssupposed to be like.
These types of movies it'ssupposed to be like.
This is the last.
The person's a little bit pasttheir prime, but they're roped
into one last mission.
That's not what this is.
This just felt like anothermission.
He doesn't feel like he's outRight, so I don't know.

(40:28):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Why would you take him out ofthe field if he's still
extremely, supremely capable,more than any mortal person?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, I just think you pivot.
You take him out, you insertBlood Pal or another movie star.
You bring Tramiel Tillman inyeah, you gotta find a way to
get Blood, so him specificallyback into this franchise.
Obviously, pom, you have to getback, you have to keep her, I
think, to the point I don'tthink you just get Cady O'Brien

(40:59):
right there and just never useher again.
I feel like she's going to besomebody that's going to.
You just need to pivot into anew direction for Mission
Impossible.
Give a younger director thefranchise itself.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I think maybe you have to scale it back a little
bit, I think, because this gotso franchise itself.
I think maybe you have to.
You scale it back a little bit.
I think you, because this gotso crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think what you know why fallout works so well.
Fallout still deals with theespionage of the mission
impossible and I think we canget back one, yeah, one, five,
one ghost, no, probably um, onerogue nation, fallout probably
deal the best with the espionagehalf and then, like, also
fallout deals with the best ofthe action, but dead reckoning,

(41:38):
part one deals heavily with theaction, three deals heavily with
the action.
Like you have to find a way topick.
But I think you find a newleading, like if it's austin
butler, if it's a glenn powellarchetype, if it's like a
desmond edris archetype, likesomebody to lead the franchise
and what you can do like youcan't really without Cruise.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
You can't build the movies around the big insane
stunt anymore because no actoris going to be willing to do
what he's doing Sure.
So you can justify scaling thefranchise back a bit by not
having Cruise there, becauseyou're not going to build the
freaking movie around a biginsane plane stunt Like you can
actually craft a movie that'slike espionage, tactical based.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Like the beginning of one.
One does a really great job oflike ingratiating you to like
that team especially and like,and then the team goes and
you're like oh, shoot, like it'salready on Right.
Team goes and you're like, oh,shoot, like it's, it's already
on right.
Like the positioning of it aswell, too.
I I always say it about fallout.
Fallout's one of the greatestaction movies that's ever been
made, because fallout has thislike echo to it, like it's like

(42:43):
it's got.
I hate to use the word aura,because aura has been now taken
but like fallout has this auraaround it where, like it
breathes and lives, which Ithink is something truthfully
remarkable.
If you can get the echoes ofFallout and you can get the
espionage of Mission Impossible1 and Rogue Nation, I just think
you need to kind of pivot alittle bit and, like you said,

(43:04):
scale back the spectacle aspectbut get back into the espionage,
get back into the hand-to-hand,especially, who's to say,
stahelski might not want to takea Mission Impossible movie I
know he's a busy guy but who'sto say, somebody like that
doesn't want to do it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that's the directionthis franchise is going to go in
, Because the franchise they'regoing to make these movies until
forever.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Oh 100%.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
As long as Cruise is alive, they're going to make
these movies, because he's justgoing to keep making them.
He'll just, I think he'll slideinto an executive producer role
in these movies, which healready is, but he's going to
oversee it, make sure that thefranchise is staying true to his
vision for them.
And, like I said, I wouldn't beshocked if he shows up in some

(43:57):
type of minor role capacity andlike oh yeah, um, because he's
definitely ethan's definitelynot out after this, he gave no.
The funny thing is like hedidn't even give any indication
that he wanted to be out.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
No no, if anything he's like now I need to make
sure the world stays safe, likein these, like in these again,
these kind of like final chaptermovies.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Like the character at least laments the fact that,
like ah man, like I, you know, Iwas kind of hoping this would
be it he does not give thatbutton at all.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, he of anything, he wants more.
He's a sicko.
He is a sicko.
You know who else is a sickosometimes.
Joel Miller is a sickosometimes, true.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Great segue.
Yeah, the Last of Us, season 2,.
Man, we talked about a few ofthe episodes on here and then I
guess we could just kind ofrecap where we ended up.
So, seven episode season of thehbo critically acclaimed show.

(45:00):
Um, we had lots of, lots ofthoughts, lots of speculation on
if they would do anythingdifferent or, you know, change
up the right, the pacing, orchange up the the kind of
structure of the story of thelast of us, part two turns out
they, just they, they just didthe Last of Us Part 2?
They just felt they just didthat and I would say it was

(45:22):
weird.
It was weird.
It was.
Subsequently A lot happened,but they, I think the stuff, I
understand why they focus oncertain things that they focus
on, but I also think it servedto the detriment of the
narrative of the stuff thathappened in Seattle that they

(45:45):
felt rushed.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I hate to break it because I still think this
is a great season of television.
Oh, I think so.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I think it's very well done yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And you know you increase the stakes, you
increase the, the narrativedrive as well too.
I think what truthfully hurtsis it, like you said, it's the
seattle, it's.
There's something that'sunmistakable from the game about
the seattle day one, two andthree.
And then you go back for abbyand it's seattle day one, two
and like something feelslessened from the.
It's like the impact of Seattleone day one, two and three feel
less impactful, Like if youwere going to do it this way,

(46:23):
which I agree, like it's funny,Cause we were like are they
going to do it this way, thisway?
And they were like they actuallyjust did the game and we were
like we didn't equate for them,just doing the game, yeah yeah
if you're gonna go that way, ifyou're gonna choose that route.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I think my biggest thing is ellie's hands are not
dirty one bit no, they, theysoften a lot of those moments
quite a bit, um, like the I meanthe major, the major kind of.
There's in my mind.
There's three to four majormoments in the game that signify

(46:56):
Ellie's kind of descent intodepravity, right, and they kind
of either completely erase themin the show Right, or they
soften them to almost incidentalRight, with the exception, I
will say, of the Nora bit.
The Nora bit felt as close tothe game, as more closer to the
game than any of the othermoments.

(47:18):
Um, I think they did thatreally really well.
But the thing I'm thinking, themoments I'm thinking of, are
the one where that they, theytotally changed the dynamic of
the dina pregnancy reveal in away that lessens again, lessens
ellie's descent to depravity,because in the game, as soon as

(47:40):
dina talks about being pregnant,ellie's immediate response is
oh, now you're a liability.
I think she even outright saysit in the game like you're kind
of you're holding me back.
Now we're in the show.
It's kind of treated as this oh, this is a sweet moment, I'm
going to be a dad kind of bit.
She says a lot about becomingsomeone else but it's never

(48:05):
really shown.
And then the other bitobviously is the bit with Mel
and Owen which again comesacross in the show almost
accidental.
Where in the game it's veryintentional, like what she ends
up doing.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah like even down to the bits in the game where
Ellie's hands shaking and she'sreally starting to see the cycle
really starting to repeatitself.
Like you know, the trials andtribulations of joel miller
going to the next generation,and you know they kind of lob it
for themselves and it's, youknow, cameo from tony dalton
time, when and when joel comesback later in the season, that

(48:44):
line of like I hope you do alittle better than me next time.
And then ellie, just she can't,she can't, she physically can't
, like she's a violent.
And they set it up again withum, with the therapist character
, with Gale as well too, whereGale's like anything she's doing
isn't because of Joel, she hasit in her.
So a little a big part of mewishes like I think that's the

(49:05):
simple fix, is like she neededto get her hands dirty, like
that's why she is who she is,like she's about that life, like
she's it's ingrained into hershe doesn't.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Besides, like I said, besides nora, she never really
goes out of her way to killanybody, which I mean it sounds,
it sounds like complaining forthe sake of complaining.
But like the whole show, thewhole game of last of us, part
two, is built around thispremise that, like Ellie, is so
consumed by vengeance that shecan't see the forest for the

(49:37):
trees, and the show never, itnever, really feels like it gets
there Right.
Again, aside from the Nora bit,I think the Nora bit is as close
as you can get and maybe theythink, maybe they thought that
was enough, maybe they thoughtthat the bit with Nora was
enough to show that she's kindof consumed by the vengeance,
right, but for me that almostfelt out of that, weirdly enough

(50:01):
, that felt out of character,because the rest of the show did
not tell me that, that, thatshe was going, that she was
feeling that strongly about it,right, um, um, cause, even like
I liked the bit where, wherethey, where she kind of like
says her piece in Jackson andthen, but like at the same time,
like it's a lot, it's again, itsoftens it a little bit that

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she's just not like night outroute, defiant, and leaves you
know, um, and then I mean justthose those three days felt very
a lot happened very quickly.
It's like the Game of Thrones.
It was like the Game of Thronesseason eight thing where, like
they're just the characters arejust going everywhere at like.

(50:44):
It never felt like a trueodyssey, right, like through
Seattle, right.
It just felt like we're here,we're here, we're here and now
we're going home.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, and, funny enough, dina does a lot of the
heavy lifting.
For that she's outstanding ohlet's just talk about.
I mean, the true MVP of thisseason is Isabella Marcet.
She is phenomenal, she'sunbelievable.
You want to talk about likepropelling your career to like
being like a household A-listactor, like the Last of Us,
mixed with Superman.
Like you are the a-list of it.

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You're gonna be in that upperechelon soon, if not now.
Like she is rugged and tough,but she's also tender.
She's she's sweet, but she'slike she's not.
Like.
She's not like sweet of likesomebody and going and giving
you.
Like you know, oh, I thought ofyou and I gave you this.
Like she's sweet and like shebelieves in you and she makes
you feel like you can do certainthings, like probably why jesse
kept going back and like wow,and like her character flushing

(51:37):
was really well done as well,too, to be like you know where'd
you come.
Like you know I watched my momand my sister die like while I
was so young, and you knowellie's like I'm so sorry about
that and dina's like it's allright.
Like gotta, gotta, keep pushingright.
Like she's such this personthat lives in that world.
But to to your point that youmade at the beginning like she's
the one that like she's kind oflike a hippie, like she's, like

(51:58):
I figured it out, I'm good.
But then when she finds outshe's pregnant, like so many
things could have went wrong forthat character and that
performance, but everything wentright for that character and
that performance, at that timeshe's just, she's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
She's believable, which I think is important, like
I love it, like in also, youknow, to kind of couple with
that jesse as well.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It was great this season, yeah, just not.
Just not enough of them.
No, no.
And like that character finallygot flushed out to the point
where it probably should havebeen in the game as well too.
Like to the point where, likeif you would have gave
everything that you gave jessein the show, put it into the
game and then Jesse dies in thegame, I would have been like
obviously it sucked and you'relike, oh, shoot.
But then I would have been likesobbing, oh shoot.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Like yeah, yeah, he comes in the show.
He comes across as very like.
He almost feels like the defacto leader of everything.
He's super capable.
You know, and that's the otherthing too that that kind of was
kind of odd about ellie'swriting this season is they

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portrayed her as this kind oflike dumb brute type character,
which is not how she's portrayedin the games at all.
Um, in the game she's portrayedas very cunning, you know, kind
of like two steps ahead, right,um, always kind of like
analyzing and thinking about asituation, and then they kind of

(53:21):
like imparted all of her wisdomright to dina's character and
they kind of gave them like this, like smart character, dumb
character, dynamic right whichkind of also I felt hurt ellie a
little bit.
Yeah, I think yeah, it's just.
It was just pretty as the waythey wrote ellie, the season was
a little confusing.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I think she lacks a slight bit of maturity as well,
too.
That the game really did agreat job of like getting her
from the 14 year old to the 19,20 year old version of ellie.
Like it did a really good jobin the game of being like, if
this is going to be our playablecharacter, like it's going to
mean something like.
But the funny thing is the showthe show in the first three
episodes is such a great jobabout getting her there.

(54:04):
Like the tough part of wherepeople were nervous about the
show gets her there now.
And the game just can't I meanthe show just can't figure it
out after that, can't, I mean,the show just can't figure it
out after that.
Like they, I feel like they hada little bit of trouble.
And you know what's funny aboutus saying all this Season 3
might recontextualize all ofthis.
Like this season feels like theback half of the season felt
very much as the bridge, thebridge point of where we need to

(54:26):
go.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, and I mean, you know it's just, it just felt.
It just felt like because theywere writing for a TV show, they
were hesitant to make the maincharacter kind of antagonistic.
They were kind of hesitant togo that far.
Yeah, they were hesitant tomake people dislike her.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It's got to be a cognition thing, especially for
Bella Ramsey, becauseunfortunately, they get so much
hate for absolutely zero reasonever and people are just
horrible human beings.
But yeah, take the swing.
You already committed to theseason structure of the game.
You need to take the narrativeand character swing as well too,
and I think they they were socautious about being like go,

(55:09):
let her go full sun, and I thinkthe perfect example is the.
Is the Owen?
Owen is the?
Is Owen's death, owen and Mel'sdeath?
Because in the game Ellie'sit's after the fact where
Ellie's like I'm spiraling.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Like I am ultimately spiraling out of control.
She stabs, she kills Owen andthen she kills Mel, and then she
looks down and she sees thatMel was pregnant and she's like,
ah, shoot.
She looks down and she seesthat Mel was pregnant, she's
like, ah, shit, yeah, where inthis?
Like it's like an open, almostlike an open?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
discussion.
Yeah, and like Ellie's, likeI'm like to the point she's like
I'm so sorry, like I'm so no,like you should have got your
somber sorry after the fact ofyour you know your tirade
throughout Seattle.
Like that's the point and thatthroughout Seattle.
That's the point and that's mywhole point.
I think this season's biggestissue is that she's not violent,

(55:58):
she's almost anti-violent.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
This second season has an antagonist problem and
it's because this whole sectionand it kind of made me
recontextualize the game in alot of ways, but the antagonist
truly, of Ellieie's day one, daytwo, day three of seattle is
ellie, she's, she's her ownantagonist yep, and the reason

(56:22):
why this season of the showfeels like it has an antagonist
problem is because you're led tobelieve, show wise, that abby
is the antagonist right.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
But abby doesn't show up again until the end of the
season, and let's talk aboutabby for a second, because, lord
, I can't wait for season threeyeah, I can't wait.
Which is wild, because I wouldhave never thought I would be
saying that just her showing upin the last episode, like I was
like, more like what?
Even though she kills jesse,like and it's sad, it's like I
need more.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I need more, more, more, yep and I think, I think
it's a writing thing.
It's a writing and it's aperformance thing where that
character just feels so dynamic,right, that you're just like
wait, now we're going to get awhole season with this character
.
I'm kind of in, which is theopposite of how the game makes

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you feel.
To be honest, where the gameyou're like man, now I'm Abby
and I don't want to be honestwhere like the game.
You're like ah man, now I'm abbyand I don't want to be here.
And then, like you, you slowlystart to, you start to kind of
warm up to her as you kind ofsee what she deals with.
But the way caitlin devereportrays her as this kind of
just like force of nature, andthen she disappears after the
joel thing and then shereappears at the end of the
season as again like this justforce of nature, and you're like

(57:34):
like just just I'm, I'm ampedthat I think they already
announced that she's going to bethe lead, yes, which I think is
probably going to be abeneficial pivot.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Um feels that way, which is wild.
Yep again, like our greatest,like I don't think we are
equating for this being like allthe things we kind of theorized
were like wrong, like we werelike opposite on everything.
Yeah, it's funny, like all thecharacters, like it's funny like
and it's not Bella Ramsey'sperformance.
I just want to talk about thatbecause it is absolutely

(58:07):
phenomenal.
Oh, her acting is just throughthe roof, incredible.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Like that episode.
I think that episode six ismaybe the best episode of the
show.
Yeah with.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
With Joel.
Yeah, the Flashback episodeit's two and six.
Two and six are the best twoepisodes of that season.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, and I think six is right up there with like
episode three of that season.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It's amazing, Just Ellie's structuring.
I think that's their miss man.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
And I hate to say it, it's ripping me apart to even
say it wanted to not have peopledislike the character Is.
My only theory Is that theywanted her to have some sort of
redemptive quality.
But it's really not the pointof the second game.
She's not supposed to be, she'skind of supposed to be beyond

(59:08):
redemption.
That's part of the reason whythe game is structured day one,
day two.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
So the way Ellie and Abby's stories are structured
are they are both fightingagainst their better nature and
they both learn.
They both become differentpeople based on their journeys
Right.
That's the whole point ofstructuring the game that way.
It's like Ellie's three days inSeattle are a descent into
darkness, whereas Abby's threedays are an ascent from darkness

(59:39):
, and the show didn't serve thatpurpose for Ellie.
I think it will serve thatpurpose for Abby, because I
think that's that's easier towrite to, and I well, we were
also not thinking about the nextseason.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Could, if it's going to spin it, the next season very
much for Ellie could show herlike cause we're told she goes
through it's not even told shekind of go like cause she comes
back the one day like did she goand kill people?
Like was like what was, whatwas she doing during this time?
Like it's making it seem likewhen she killed owen and mel,
like that she was like destroyedwhen it happened, versus like

(01:00:16):
in the game, like just anotherday at the office, basically,
until she sees that mel ispregnant after dean is pregnant,
then she's like, oh, like, wakeup.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Like and then jesse dies right, like just kind of
like well, I did this Right,right, like I reaped what I
sowed here, right, whereas likethat's not again in the show, is
not maybe?
I mean maybe again, maybe nextseason like they flip from
Abby's perspective and we findout Ellie's been doing all this
stuff, but not as impactful likefinding out after the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I don't think Ellie's innocence was something
they should have been soconcerned about versus her
repercussions for her violence.
That's the true piece of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, because, again, like I said, for a show, it's
easier to write a characterascending out of their darkness.
Right, Because that's a big youknow spoilers for the game, but
that's a big thing with Abby'sstory when you get to it is that
her killing Joel did not fixher.
If anything, it made her feelworse.
Yes, Yep, Because she thoughtby killing Joel she would be

(01:01:19):
able to kind of move on and kindof like move away from that.
And then she can't, and thenyou know her friends are dying.
Then she gets saddled with levand that's what opens her eyes
and understands everything thatshe took from ellie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah, of anything.
Abby's and that's the point ofthe game is abby's character is
supposed to juxtapose.
Juxtapose joel a little bit aswell too.
But man, if they get the levlev stuff right next season,
people might start to be likewait, abby's not too bad, she's
not too bad of a, it's weird Ithink they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I think I think I mean maybe, and maybe this was
like 4d chess, maybe this wastheir goal.
But, like I just based on howthis season went and the
reaction to ellie next seasonbeing abby season, right, I mean
I don't think it's outside ofthe realm of possibility that
people are going to walk awayfrom these two seasons liking
Abby more, yeah, which might bebad, bad yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Great for Caitlin Deaver and the Abby character
from you know where she camefrom, the hate from the game.
But not great for Ellie'scharacter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
No, but like that's, I'm just reading the tea leaves,
that's where it feels likethat's where it feels like this
is headed, yeah, like it feelslike next season is going to
come out and it's going to beall about Abby and Caitlin.
Debra is so good, yes, thatpeople are going to be like wait
right, wait what?
She should actually be the maincharacter.
Yes, and I think that's justagain.

(01:02:59):
I think they, just as ambitiousas the show has been, it lost
its teeth a little bit inprobably the moment that it
needed them the most, and that'swith Ellie's descent into
darkness.
Right, I think they just theydidn't go far enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I feel like it was fear to hate Bella Ramsey
too, which and that part I feelhorrible about.
Yeah, like imagine that's whatyou have to worry about, like
people suck, but also just letit run, let it run.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean let's.
I mean we can talk about PedroPascal for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Give him give him his flowers.
It's Pedro Pascal.
It's the same Tom Cruise in theMission Impossible.
What more can I say?
He's inspired, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Brought it.
Brought it in episode six.
He's just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Oh Lord man, Tony Dalton, Shout out Tony Dalton.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Tony Dalton, shout out.
Tony Dalton, the best PedroPascal dad standing, you could
have thought that never, younever would have thought of
either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, um, but I mean just that whole episode six was
just you felt, you felt it, youfelt it and you felt again, that
would have that episode wouldhave made everything else so
much stronger, if they hadjuxtaposed that, yes, ellie,
turning into a monster, justlike joel did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
And and then tony dalton comes to ellie.
What did I tell?
What did I tell my son?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
understanding like and from you know, understanding
why joel did what he did youknow, and I mean just Pedro
Pascal, like that, from the bitat the museum to all of the.
What's his name, the guy thathe killed?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Gail's husband.
Oh, yeah, yeah, eugene, eugene,wow, what.
This is where the series andthe season is like.
That's its peak, right there.
Joel can't help himself, hejust can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, he does have an issue with not being.
I mean, it's a great characterflaw Like not being, Just can't
own up to doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, like ethically wrong, but to him it's not.
It's morally right but it'sobjectively ethically wrong.
Like or is it like?
That's the question, becauselike Ellie's, like you can let
them see Gail but Joel's, like I, it's not about the community
of Jackson.
Maybe it is for my, you know,for my brother and my nephew and
my sister-in-law.
It's about you, like I need tokeep you safe to all to like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
End to the nth degree , but again and then again.
But the thing that undoes himis the lie.
It's the lie, so it's not.
It's not so much the choice,it's the lie, it's the why about
the choice.
Right where he tells ellie likeyeah, we'll right, we'll bring
him back, we'll let him see hiswife, and then he just changes
his mind.
And he kills Eugene.

(01:05:53):
Great performance by Joey.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Pants.
Yeah, Joe Panteliano.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
No, joe, you can't do this to me, man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
That was powerful, though, when.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Joel was like like, if you have any last words, I'll
relay them to Gail.
It wasn't about that.
I wanted to hear her last words.
Joel was like well, I'm the guywith the rifle.
Shout out Gail.
By the way, it was way worseThan we could have imagined when

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she was like you killed myhusband.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
And I'm like whoa, that can mean a lot of things
yeah, like, did you have to?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
was it out of like and it was out of necessity.
But it was also like themachinate, like the lie.
Right again the lie.
He didn't just lie to ellie, helied to gail.
So shout out gail being so, uh,I mean, she said, you know, she
said she couldn't reallyforgive him.
But shout out her even likefreaking doing the therapy for
him, because I wouldn't Right,like, no, what FDL lied to me,

(01:07:01):
killed my husband.
We didn't get a ton of.
I mean, I guess it makes sense,we didn't get a ton of Tommy
this season.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
No, because I think they're waiting to give.
I had a theory that the nextseason they're going to have
like this whole sniper sequencewith tommy, where it's like a
one take of tommy just wreakinghavoc throughout seattle.
That'd be cool.
I think that would be prettyfreaking amazing yeah, but he
was, I mean gabriel.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
He was great in the uh in episode two because I'm
trying to think about it now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I think the reasoning is because they were so
hyper-focused on Ellie, dina andAbby Not really Abby towards
the back half, but Ellie andDina specifically Because we
already dealt with Joel andTommy in season one to such a
high degree that it was sofocused that this is Bella
Ramsey's season, this isIsabella Marced's season.
So I'm not mad at it.
Same thing for Jesse.
It makes total sense.

(01:07:48):
He's just phenomenal.
I mean from episode 3, likeonce he comes back and he sees,
you know, just the sheet overJoel's body, he's amazing, he's
always incredible again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I think the structuring of the show makes
total sense.
It was just the not going farenough with Ellie's descent.
There's a disconnect and I meanwhat's gonna again the other
thing going back to next season.
But like the other thing that'sgonna benefit Abby's story is
there is gonna be a trueantagonist.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
It's gonna be Isaac.
That might be more interestingfor next season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
So when you're gonna be working directly opposite
Jeffrey Wright, your show isprobably going to be a little
bit better.
Which, again this season, dealtwith such an abstract
antagonist that was supposed tobe Ellie.
Ellie was supposed to be herown worst enemy, and the fact
that they didn't dive into thatmade this season feel kind of a

(01:08:47):
little aimless Sure.
Because who was she fightingagainst Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
We don't we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Like she wasn't fighting.
She wasn't directly fightingagainst the WLF.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
She was avoiding them if anything, and the Seraphites
too.
The Seraphites, if anything,got the better hand on her every
single time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Right, they almost killed her.
Yeah, they did, which wasanother weird sequence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Where, like, she's going to the pier and she gets
shipwrecked, and then theSeraphites almost kill her, and
then they're like let her go andshe just goes back to the
aquarium, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
That was weird.
Like where's Formidable Ellie?
Like where's the Ellie thatwould like?
No, I'm going that would havebeen a nice flip on that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
If, like, if she got shipwrecked and captured by the
Seraphites and she kills themall and then goes back to the
aquarium, that would have beencool, right, instead of putting
her in this position where she'sabout to die and then they just
let her go Sure, sure, I agree,I agree, that would have been
cool.
That would have been.
I don't know if it would havetotally saved it, but I think
that would have been cool, likeshowing her being like, oh shit,

(01:09:48):
like she doesn't.
She's so focused, she's soone-track minded that she just
killed these four seraphites,right, and is now just going
back to the aquarium, right, shegot, she didn't get deterred
like at all by that, whereaslike that one, yeah, yeah, I
agree.
Um, I mean next season again.

(01:10:09):
It's weird to say I didn'tthink I'd be saying it, but like
I'm really looking forward tothe Abby stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
It's insane, like the positioning too of it, like to
get Abby in a position for herto succeed after she.
It was the whole stake on theseason was like guys just hear
us out about Abby, like shoutout Craig Mazin and Neil
Druckmann for that, like theydid.
It Feels like it.
Yeah, my only issue.
I think that this is now at thesacrifice of Ellie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That's what it feels like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
And I don't love it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I don't love it Because spoiler alert these two
are going to come to a headagain.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
And it's going to be.
It might be weird, because Ifeel like by the end of next
season people are going to likebe like on Abby's side, Kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, which is not great, especially if, if Pedro
Pascal isn't in the next seasonat all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Wait, she should just win, Right.
It's weirdly enough where Ifeel like this is headed.
Yeah, um, because it feels likepeople are already there and we
haven't even seen the Lev stuff, her combating her, going
against the WLF and Isaac.
She's going to become thecounterculture character.

(01:11:19):
She's going to buck the system.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
A little bit yeah.
She's going to rebel againstthe WLF and all this other stuff
Still take down the Seraphites,but maybe get them to see a new
way.
Oh no, is Abby the hero shealways was?
Maybe she always was.
This is not good?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
No, it's not good for .

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Ellie, it is not good for.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Ellie at all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
It could be really great for the next season of the
show, though, and then seasonfour is just Santa Clara.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I would assume.
So Right, which, again, I don'tknow how you get there with
Ellie's character.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Cause the whole point is like the whole point of her
going to Santa Clara is shefeels so guilty and feels like
her missions incomplete, despitethe fact that she kind of tried
to walk away.
Right, and this one like, yes,jesse died, but it almost feels
like if she walked away now shewouldn't go back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
No, no, she still feels and I guess this is an arc
issue, because I feel likeEllie hasn't truthfully changed
any bit- no, it doesn't feellike it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Which?

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
is a.
That's a problem, Because bythat point in the game, ellie
already was starting to be likeI can't help myself, especially
to Dina.
Like I can't help myself, likeI just this is who I am.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
She's still out there , like I have to finish this
Right.
And it's Dina that is kind oftelling her like no, you have to
let this go, whereas, like theynever have that clash, they
don't even have the beginningsno, they don't they both.
They both are kind of likeresigned to like, oh we'll just,
after this is over, we'll justgo back to jackson it's not that

(01:12:54):
simple, no it's like I don't.
I don't know where ellie'sgonna find that motivation.
No, maybe it'll come from time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Maybe tommy will do the heavy lifting yeah, put the
battery in her back of like, go,no, no, go, get some revenge
for my brother and your fatherand for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yes, so maybe that's where it comes from, but that's
asking a lot.
That's a lot of heavy liftingand it's something to do for,
you know, for tommy's characterthat wasn't explicitly needed by
that point yeah, or if that wasthe point, it already should
have happened that way yeah,because in the game it's tommy
goes to ellie one last time andis like I found, found, abby,
you know we can go.

(01:13:28):
And it's not so much Tommymotivating her, as it is Ellie
fighting against the desire togo.
And then she eventually goes.
She says all the right, andDina doesn't really even give
Ellie a chance to answer Tommy.
She kind of pushes him out thedoor and she's like don't ever

(01:13:49):
come back here with this, everagain.
And Ellie kind of just resignsto it and she's like, yeah, I
can't go.
And then she goes, whereas likein this situation, like it
almost feels like Tommy's gonnahave to really push Right
Because it doesn't feel likeEllie's necessarily interested
in any type of payback.
It's an odd approach.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I just hope, a I hope the next season delivers on the
Abby stuff.
B you need to get Ellie somegood graces back, which I just
didn't think that was going tobe a thing out of season two.
Still, overall, it's a greatseason of television.
It's a dynamic season oftelevision.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
It looks incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Oh, the scale, the scope, everything the filmmaking
aspects are just it's, it'snext level, it's through the
roof.
All the infected stuff is justamazing all through and through
um the production design.
It's, it's just, it's, it'samazing, it's astonishing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I think that the tv studio bit, oh wow, yep was
unbelievable.
Yep, so that was a spectacle tojust in and of itself, right To
look at.
Um, yeah, it was just.
It just fell, unfortunately,just fell short in maybe the
most important aspect, which wasthe writing and handling of
Ellie's character Right, whichis you know where a lot of

(01:15:02):
people are going to, are goingto fall at the end of the day.
Um, but we still have anotherseason.
Next season is going to be Abbydriven, um, and.
I'm really really lookingforward to it.
Yep, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
We're done, mission impossible.
Last of us wrapped up wrappedup.
Um, we're heading into the, intothe troves of the summer now,
yep, Um.
So we've got a lot of stuff tocover in the next month or two,
so I'm looking forward to all ofthat.
You can follow us on Twitter atProjectINF underscore pod.

(01:15:37):
You can follow us on Facebookat the Project Infinite Podcast.
You can follow us on Instagramat the Project Infinite Pod.
You can follow us on TikTok andYouTube at those respective
platforms, at the ProjectInfinite Podcast.
And next week, I don't knowshould we talk about Andor.
Next week, you Project Infinitepodcast.
And next week, I don't knowShould we talk about Andor next
week.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
We can talk about Andor next week.
There's an F1 movie coming out,a new Joe Kaczynski coming out
as well too, if we want to do atraditional movie review Lead us
right into the summer.
We can do a themed episode.
We had options here at theProject Infinite podcast.
Yes, that's why it's aninfinite multiverse of fandom.
Sure is as the tagline of thesong says.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yes, so yeah, we could definitely and or would be
pristine to talk about, becauseit's pristine television, it's
incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Why is that show so good?
Give it Emmys, you cowards.
No, give it every Emmy.
There's not enough Emmys youcan give that show Are.
Give it.
Give it Emmys, you cowards.
No, give it every Emmy.
There's not enough Emmys youcan give that show.
Are they going to no, no, theywon't, but they should, they
should.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Um, yeah, that's gonna do it for us this week.
Um from me, from the CaptainBloodso, captain Bloodso,
captain Bloodso, captain Bloodsooh, I don't have to be careful
this time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
No, you don't have to .
I actually invite this one, theCaptain Blitzo of the podcast.
Yes, he's the coolest guy atmaybe.
We were looking at each otherin the theater.
We were like yo, this is thecoolest.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
The guy came in just.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I just don't understand.
He was the coolest guy ever.
He said who are you, mister, ifyou're going gonna poke the
bear?
You came to the right plan.
You came to the right man.
Bro was about the impossiblemissions.
He should be the leader of theimf.
He's got to be in the next one.
Oh 100, his career is gonnajust.

(01:17:20):
He's gonna be in everything hewas.
So he was so good, much as likehe did with severance, like
just came in immediate heater.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
He was so good and you must be out your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
That crew probably has a great time on that sub,
except for that one guy.
That's an accolade.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
He said.
Hunt said you must be CaptainBuzzsaw and he goes and you must
be out of your mind the coolestguy maybe ever he was so good.
Alright, guys, we'll see younext week.
We will probably talk aboutAndor.
Until then, goodbye peace.

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