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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Infinite Podcast withRobin Corker-Kill.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody, and
welcome to another episode of
the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom, from
movies, comics, tv shows, videogames.
We got you covered.
You'd think, after 155 of these, I'd have this intro nailed
down.
No, but nope.
Nope Gets me every time.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
No, that's what keeps
us fresh.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, new, fresh and
new.
I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with Courtand Court.
We saw Superman, we Court.
We saw Superman, we did.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We saw a man fly.
Yeah, we did see a man fly.
We did look up.
I did most definitely look upbecause I was in the first seat
in the theater.
I'm kidding, but yes, we sawSuperman, james Gunn's Superman,
the newest iteration, starringDavid Corden, sweat, rachel
Brosnahan, nicholas Holt andothers.
And I mean just up top, what apicture.
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What a picture I mean this is.
You know, after one watch, thisis probably in my top five to
10 favorite comic book movies ofall time.
I really felt a way leavingthis theater and obviously you
know if you can backtrace allthis good stuff I've said about
it like it's tough for people tobe like, well, you're just on
recency bias, but you know, you,you know a good thing when you
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see it and, for all intents andpurposes, I saw it.
I don't know why this keepssticking in my head.
There was one frame whereobviously no spoilers yet, but
David or Superman, he's raisingup.
It's a trailer shot, but in themovie inserted I was like, oh,
wow, that's actually Superman.
Like that is actually Supermanwho saves the cat out of the
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tree, who has the trunks on theoutside so kids feel safe, like
that's actually Superman.
So you know, in terms ofperformance, it's incredible.
In terms of the look, it'spretty solid.
In terms of direction it'sgreat and you know, talking
overall direction for the DCUwhat a start Like this is the
dream start that they ever couldhave asked for.
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I do think this movie's ontrack to probably make a billion
dollars and you know, this isit.
This is the new DCU and Icouldn't be happier with this
start.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, it's a great
start, I think, for all involved
.
Obviously, we're going toprobably do a pretty lengthy
non-spoiler section, becauseobviously the movie's not even
out yet, or will be by the timethis episode comes out.
It'll be like opening weekend,basically.
We saw it on Tuesday and thenwe'll pretty heavily cut in to
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let you know when the spoilersare coming.
That way you can listen to thenon-spoiler stuff and then see
the movie for yourself and thencome back.
Or, if you don't care aboutgetting spoiled, obviously you
can stick around.
Um, so we'll do that.
Um, but first I guess we don'treally have any news, but I did
want to touch upon the ghost ofyotei state of play.
Sure that sony showed off umearlier today and man um.
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This game appears to be whatyou know we you've heard us say
this before about anything,whether it's a game, whether
it's a movie, whether it's a TVshow, any type of follow-up or
sequel, you always want to buildupon what came before and just
expand it and make it better.
And by all intents and purposes, that's what this game looks
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like it's doing, just putting,you know, a new spin on familiar
ground.
We all know the backstory thatthis is going to take place some
400 years after the originalghost of tsushima, so obviously
it has no ties to jin sakai orhis story or anything like that.
It's a totally new protagonist,atsu, and she is being
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described as not so much asamurai, not so so much a ninja,
just a kind of lone wolf,mercenary, hell-bent on revenge,
and I think that is an awesomebackdrop for a samurai story.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
If the fox in the
first game was, like you know,
the stand-in for Jin and kind ofthe way the fox, the mentality
of the fox, it's the mentalityof the wolf, more specifically,
the lone wolf is kind of Atsu'sstory for this game and I just
we obviously just watched thestate of play like 30 minutes
ago.
It was absolutely an incredibleshowcase.
I mean just the adjustments.
I love when second games reallylisten.
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I think Jedi Survivor did thatone of the best in like has a
memory of really listening tothe fan base, what we want, what
we you know what's needed tokind of propel the game into the
next chapter, and I thinkthey're doing a phenomenal job.
I mean the look of the game.
If the first game wasbreathtaking, this second game
just looks astonishing.
It's an absolutely astonishinglook.
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Story-wise, this is a veryinteresting story.
What do they call themselves?
The Yotei Six, the Yotei Six,the Sinister Six or somewhere?
They just told my whole flow.
But yeah, this game looksphenomenal.
The story looks like this isgoing to be fun.
The different understandings ofcombat are just revolutionized
over the first game and that'ssaying something that is saying
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a lot.
So it looks like a lot of timehas been put into this game.
I can't wait to check this out.
I'm itching to check this out.
It comes right out around mybirthday.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
October 2nd.
Just based on look, it feelslike this is going to be the
challenger that Expedition 33faces for Game of the Year.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
This might take it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It might.
Expedition 33 is special, butthis game is going to be
something else.
They revolutionized the combatsystem where now it's not
stance-based, it's weapons-based.
So you switch between a spear,a katana, dual-wielding swords
or a long odachi long sword,basically, and that's your
stance mechanic for the firstgame.
Certain weapons are moreeffective against different
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enemies.
She's got a bunch of other stuffand then just cinematically.
So they once again teamed upnot teamed up with, but they got
the blessing of the estate ofAkira Kurosawa to bring back
Kurosawa Mode, which is blackand white, japanese, no
subtitles, all that stuff.
They've also teamed up withother Japanese directors to kind
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of incorporate their stylesinto the camera work of the game
, the music of the game, and Ijust think that's super cool.
And obviously, like you said,the game looks beautiful.
I mean, the first Ghost kind ofpushed the PlayStation 4 to its
limits, so much so that whenthe PlayStation 5 version came
out it ran so seamlessly becausethat felt like a game that was
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supposed to be on thePlayStation 5, and this game
feels like it's going to do muchof the same for the PlayStation
5, kind of push it to itslimits.
There's a seamless transitionsystem where you can voluntarily
visit Atsu's past.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm very curious to
know how thematically and how
narratively they're going toweave that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's what I'm
really looking forward to yeah,
because how much could you do asa child version of the
character?
That's the point.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I wonder if she's
going to learn certain abilities
through her childhood as welltoo, the same way that Jin did.
I wouldn't be surprised at that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I've never seen a
game do something like that
before, where you can justfreely visit the past or another
timeline or something like that, just on a whim, almost like a
fast travel.
You press a button and boom,boom, you're in the past travel.
Yeah, the, the, the.
They've kind of revolutionizedthe travel system where you know
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you have your map, um, you canvisit cartographers who kind of
give you landmarks to go to, oryou can literally like pull out
a spyglass and look at alandmark and mark it and then
you just it takes you like thepin drops, yeah, and you just
and mark it, and then you justit takes you Like the pin drops,
yeah, and you just go Like itturns cinematic and you just
yeah, Insane.
You know the kind of system oftraditional open world games
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where you have to go town totown and visit the merchants.
They've seemingly streamlinedthat with this Wolfpack system.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm a fan of that.
I'm a fan of that.
I'm a fan of that.
They come to you instead of yougoing to them.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Where you can open up
a menu that shows you everyone
you've met that has, whetherthey have certain gear to sell
or certain techniques to send orteach you.
You can freely set up acampsite and those characters
will come visit your campsite.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it's like you
build a wolf pack.
Yeah, that's the technical termof the game for it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And they can sell you
stuff if they're a merchant, or
they can teach you stuff orgive you side quests.
I think that's really cool.
As someone that is quicklyaging himself out of pure open
world games, I kind of like alittle more on the rails, kind
of guiding me to places.
So I think they keep that openworld mechanic.
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They have a bunch of otherstuff that you can do.
There's a bounty system in thisgame that I think is really
cool.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, um, keeps
it it keeps you on your toes,
much like red dead redemption.
Yeah, I was gonna say it's likered dead.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, kind of like
red dead in the sense that, like
atu and this was you know, theykind of mentioned it in the in
the trailer, that the world willreact to her as she starts
gaining notoriety and that waslike one of my things.
That goes to like I never reallyfelt that outside of like the
main missions with jinn right,where, like it didn't feel like
the, the living world, wasreacting to his kind of becoming
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the ghost right, whereas thisfeels like that's course,
correcting that right, and Ithink it's really cool.
And then obviously, like youget bounties put on you that
people can exploit and then youcan also do bounty hunts right
that look like kind of like um,like in the first game they have
, like those cinematic missionswhere, like um, they weren't
bounties I forget, they werewhat they were called like those
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special duels and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, like the
ones you stumble upon.
There was one in the first gamethat I always think about.
It was like in those purpleflowers.
Is it the one with thelightning storm?
It might have been.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It might have been,
because I always remember the
one with the light, where youfight the guy with the.
Oh it's so you can learn likethe legendary techniques.
Yes, yes, yes.
And you fight the one guy inthe rainstorm and he ends up
getting struck by lightning.
At the end, you fight him atnight time in a rainstorm.
That one always sticks with me.
I'm super looking forward tothis game.
Feels like Ghost of Tsushimacame out in 2020.
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Feels like so long ago.
I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I guess it is five
years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, ghost of
Tsushima was part of that kind
of legendary 2020 gaming run,but you know, five years is not
bad development time, I don'tthink.
And they just look like they'vetaken everything from the first
game and just enhanced it.
So very, very much lookingforward to that Me too and then
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that's pretty much it as far aswe got news.
I mean, the fantastic four kindof upswing is in full effect
yeah, the london premiere isgoing on clips coming left to
right center.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
They're on the fast
track and I think, marketing
wise, you know, going againstsuperman, which we'll talk about
it like I hate to say it, likegoing against, but you know, at
the end of the day, it's disneyversus warner brothers, like you
, one business is trying tooutdo the other business.
Maybe try to utilize each otherthe Barbenheimer way, but at
the end of the day, they'rereally trying to ramp up this
marketing.
I mean, you know, I thinkwhat's really driving this
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marketing campaign is that cast.
I mean there's a reason whyPedro Pascal was Reed Richards.
Like we talked about it.
I mean you made the best pointabout it when he was cast.
We were like we might have hadquestions about the casting as
well too, because thetraditional Reed Richards look
at the time which still he lookslike Reed Richards to me.
He really does, especiallyolder Reed Richards, which is
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good.
But I think it was more likewait, do you just go get the
best actor available in theworld?
And they just did.
They just got the best.
It just everything worked outthe way it was supposed to and
you know they're reallyutilizing him as the front man,
and then this team's ensemble aswell too.
Um, they look so cohesivetogether, like they actually
feel like the family.
I just because, um, obviously,um, I forget the actor's name
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that passed away, that played drdoom in the original fantastic
four.
Oh, julian mcmahon yeah julianmcmahon.
Um, I just watched those moviesbecause obviously I was.
I was sad that he passed awayso I watched.
I watched that, um, fantasticfour and fantastic four rides to
the silver surfer.
And you know I'm looking at thefamily dynamic.
I love joan griffin.
I had like such a nostalgia forjoan griffin as Reed Richards.
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But you know this filmspecifically, that family, like
an actual family like this, ismy end all be all, no matter
what, like it felt very of itstime those two movies.
But this feels like that familyaspect is driving hard and I
think Shackman understands that.
I think Shackman's one of thebest drama in the comic book
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realm.
He's one of the best dramadirectors in there as well too.
So I'm really excited to seewhat this is going to look like.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I mean, like I said, it'sramping up.
Anything you hear from the castthey seem to get it.
I mean the one quote from PedroPascal this past, last couple
days I thought, was if there wasany doubts that he understood
the character he says doubtsthat he understood the character
.
He says, um, talking about suestorm, that sue storm is really
the leader and it's acoexistence, and without her and
without the team he is nothingand he would be devoured by his
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own brain and I'm like, there itis.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The maker, is the, is
the and it's the tell of that
the maker from the ultimateuniverse.
That's what he would turn intoyeah, so I'm I.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
it sounds like
everyone, everyone's on board.
I think everyone understandsthe assignment and I'm really
looking forward to it.
And then, yeah to your point.
Yes, julian McMahon did passaway at the age of 56 due to a
private battle with cancer,obviously most notable for his
role as Dr Doom in the earlyFantastic Four movies, and we
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know him as well as one of themain villains on the Runaways.
Yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I thought he was
really great, yeah, and I mean
you talk about the nostalgiapieces, like it's funny, like
looking back, like obviouslyit's so sad that he passed away.
He was such like this figure inmy childhood, like I mean he's
one of the big villainouscharacters of my childhood.
He just was as Doctor Doom.
So it of my childhood he justwas as dr doom, so it's just
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it's so sad that he passed away.
And so young I mean he was 36when he was playing dr doom, he
was 36 and 38 when he played drdoom in those films.
So, um, he's gone way too soon.
It's so sad, um that that onereally got me, that one actually
really got me.
Like it just was like it justcame out of left field and it
was super sad and he was stillworking.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, he was working.
Yep, um, he was.
He was in the show theResidence, which is currently
out, and yeah, he was stillworking, still acting.
So, yeah, that news came out ofleft field.
Yeah, super unfortunate.
But just moving on to Supermannow, that's all we really got.
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So, yeah, superman has now.
That's all we really got.
So, yeah, superman has released.
It's out as of you know got someThursday screenings when we're
recording this, so the weekendis here, so obviously we don't
have any box office numbers foryou, but it's tracking to do
very, very well, based on kindof like the screenings that like
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you and I saw um and thencritically reception um being
reviewed incredibly well by byfans on 96 on rotten tomatoes,
83 among critics, which for asuperhero movie is to be
expected.
I think um to be in like thatkind of low, you know, high 70s,
low 80s, unless you have agenre breaking film like the
dark knight, obviously um,something like that would
obviously catch the eyes ofmovie critics like um.
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So I think 83 is perfectly finefor this movie.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean, how
many movies are in the high,
like in the mid to high 70s,like early 80s, that you know
minnie harold does likecritically acclaimed films?
Yeah, so I don't really go, Idon't really to put too, too too
much stake um the audience,audience score.
I like to put a little bit morestake into because that's the
general, that's like when youlike the whole adage, like you
give your film away.
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That's you giving your filmaway is truthfully the
reflection of the audience.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Unless it's being
review bombed.
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Like Ironheart was.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Weirdos Anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We'll probably cap
our Ironheart thoughts at the
end of this too.
We did the first three lastweek We'll do the last three
this week.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We need to talk about
Ironheart.
We need to talk about the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Just for reference, I
guess, of other things, it
shares the same Rotten Tomatoesscore, critically, as F1.
It's right around theThunderbolts.
Thunderbolts had an 88%.
Obviously it's right around thethunderbolts.
Thunderbolts had an 88.
Obviously it's not touchinglike sinners, but no again,
sinners is special.
Sinners is probably the bestfilm of this year.
Yeah, um, slightly abovemission impossible.
Um, so that's, that's, that'swhat you're talking critically,
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how the critics view this movie.
Um, but you didn't come here tothink to, to, to find out what
the critics thought.
You came here to find out whatwe thought of it.
Right, right, and yeah, I mean,I guess we could just start,
you know, non-spoiler-wise, justto your point about David
Coinsworth earlier, like he justyeah let's focus.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, let's focus on
him.
Yeah, there was a point I madein that you know, obviously for
him it's going to be theChristopher Reeves comparison
and I made the point that Ithink it's beyond that.
I think it's not the fact thathe is, you know, christopher
Reeve reincarnated, I think it'smore important that he it's.
Now that it's David Cornswet.
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I think him of itself, or it'sjust he was phenomenal as
Superman Like, and you get itimmediately how great he is as
superman and how great he is asclark kent.
I mean, let's focus on kind ofthe the scene, uh, at the
beginning of the officialtrailer, where him and lois are
kind of in the apartment, um,doing the interview back and
forth.
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I mean, his refusal to curse islike his little, you know his
little mannerisms, like his swapin between Superman and Clark
Kent in real time.
It's something to be.
I've never seen anything likethat.
It's something I've never seen.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Henry Cavill do Not
for lack of his own.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's just not the
way that character was written
in man of Steel, but it's theflip, that he can turn on and
off.
I think it's quite incredible.
His stature and his build isvery broad and grand.
He's just like he encompasseseverything that is Superman and
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that is Clark Kent.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, and what I
liked about his portrayal of
Superman especially is this iscertainly not an origin story,
but you can tell just the way hetalks, the way he acts.
He's still finding out whosuperman is.
Um, he's trying to figure outwho he wants superman to be and
who he thinks superman should be, and those are two at least
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early on in the movie.
Those are two different thingswhich I think a lot of people
might miss.
I think people, people aremisinterpreting it, because I
saw a lot of like people beingconcerned online.
They're like oh the superman,he looks, he seems kind of
arrogant and I'm like it's notarrogance, it's he's, he's
trying to find his confidencehe's trying to find his
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confidence and he's trying to he.
He has these other superheroesthat are in this world that he
looks at and he's like, do Ineed to be more like them?
Like he's still trying to findhis place, like he's still
trying to find his voice as ahero and I think it's important
in the early parts of the movies.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
They kind of address
like the social media aspects,
like this is a real world 2025,superman and in that interview
clip that you talked about.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Like he says eric
lois kind of teases him on, like
oh, you're referring toyourself in the third person now
, and he's like, yeah, it's like, it's just something I'm trying
out, like it's.
It's kind of stupid, isn't it?
Like you know what I mean.
Like so he's still, he's still.
I think it's again.
I think it's a prettyunderstated theme in the movie
that maybe a lot of people mightmiss.
He's still trying to findhimself and he's still trying to
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figure out what he wants to beand what he thinks he should be,
and those start out as twodifferent things.
And then by the end of themovie because I think a lot of
the complaints I've seen aboutthis movie too is it doesn't
feel like he goes on much of anarc.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I disagree with the
fact that he didn't go on an arc
, but I think he does.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I think by the end,
like I said, to that point, like
I think the you know he findsthat who he thinks he should be
and who he wants to be may startas different by the time he
gets the end of the movie.
I think they're one in the same, Like I think he finds it by
the end of the movie and that'sit's an origin story, but it's
not at the same time, Like it'san origin almost for the idea of
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superman, right more than theactual person, which I think is
pretty neat no, it's well done.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think it goes to
james gunn's character work and
the nuance because people wantthis overbearing like I started
as a bad person that did badthings but now I'm a good person
.
No, he was always a good person.
The art came out what out ofself-contention of my
self-purpose and my self-worth.
A little bit I really was.
He was probably questioning hisworth to the world and you know
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his unwavering need to helppeople.
Is this important?
Like I need to make sure thisis a priority.
They talk about it.
That's the true pop.
Like the true, you know punkrock of it is like I'm a good
person to be a good person.
I'm not moving on this.
I refuse to move.
The world might move, but Iwill.
I think his contention is heneeded to grow up a little bit.
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I think he was a bit childishin the way that you know.
He thought that you know, tolois's point, like you can enter
any place, but like to hiscontention point, like people
were gonna die, like I don't, Idon't care, I do not care and I
think it needed to be aninternal piece about.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know, obviously
we have to talk about the, the
origin story itself, becausethere's a massive change,
massive change in the originstory yeah, um, and then to that
point too, like to him needingto grow up a little bit like
it's like sometimes and this isa lesson that I think he learns
throughout the movie and that wealso need to learn in real life
is like sometimes being a goodperson isn't a good enough
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reason to do certain thingsright.
Um, and that's kind of what Ithink what lois was trying to
drive into his head that, like,your intentions might be in the
right place, but you gotta alsoconsider the, the irreparable
harm you might be doing, becauseyou know I don't want to step
on the ending too much, but whathappens when he's not there to
do the right thing you know,like he can't just be, he can't
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be everywhere at once, andthat's, you know, it's a classic
kind of superman.
It's.
It's a classic supermanconundrum, to put the character
in is you have these two kind ofcrises happening at the same
time and he can't be both placesat once.
So then what happens, right?
Um, and that's where I thinkwe're going to talk about, you
know, the, the justice gang in alittle bit, I guess, probably
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in the more spoiler-filledsection, but it's where you,
that's where you see his imprintof doing the right thing coming
from, not just from him, right,like the, the kind of mark he's
left on people right isexemplified and embodied through
that group right by the end ofthe movie, which I think, again,
was really, really cool, right?
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I?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
think he's so special
in the way that he carries
himself.
I think he carries himself withsuch this irrefutable good, and
not just him.
It appears that David Cornsweth, to all intents and purposes as
well, too.
I think that's super impressive.
It was just the way that hemoved in between the scenes.
You can really see that that'sa trained actor as well, too.
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The way he moves in between thescenes, the way that he
interacts Everybody bounces offof him quite well as well, too.
My favorite character that hehad interactions with was Mr
Terrific as well too, which wehave to talk about Eddie Gathegi
as Mr Terrific, because he wasphenomenal as Mr Terrific.
I mean, I'm just going to spoilthe heat check performance of
this film.
It's Mr Terrific.
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I would agree so good he was sogood yeah, he's a scene stealer
classic scene stealer um in thismovie so, um, I mean looking
elsewhere, rachel brosnahan aslois lane, I mean just
phenomenal casting.
My favorite piece about her isobviously lois lane.
You know canon wise is very.
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You know it's not just abouther being after the story, she's
after the truth and like she'struthfully the truth, justice
and better tomorrow.
Whatever way you want to say it, she is the truth piece.
Like she's the truth for thebetterment of mankind.
She's not the truth for.
You know I love there's a.
There's a bit in the movie wherelike a major crisis is
happening but they're havinglike a board meeting how to you
(24:02):
know how to break this story tomake sure you having like a
board meeting yeah, how to youknow how to break this story to
make sure you know everybodyknows the truth like I never
felt more lois lane than I didin that moment yeah, yeah, I
mean I, I said it to you when weleft.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
My lone complaint
about her is I wish there was
more of her.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, um, this movie
probably could have been 20
minutes longer yeah, I think itreally could.
I think, you know, because I'mwe're not naive.
Two-hour run times give youmore plays in a movie theater,
which makes you more money yearover, like in the long run.
Sure, but man I would havekilled for 20 more minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think you could have allbackfilled that with Lois Lane
stuff.
I think she's great, I thinkmore.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Clark Kent in the
Daily Planet stuff.
I wanted to see more of like ofthe full Daily Planet crew
together.
I feel, like they cut some ofthat as well, too.
Probably, I think theydefinitely filmed more of the
Daily Planet.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, because they
have some pretty notable actors
playing these Daily Planetpeople.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I don't think it's
the last we're seeing of them,
and I don't think it's just in aSuperman movie either.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It would make total
sense.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, it would make
total sense.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I sense, yeah, it
would make total sense, I
wouldn't even go as far as tosay what if we got a, a?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
daily planet show
like a newsroom type.
Yeah, that'd be kind of cool.
You can get rachel brosnahan tobe in the delete, because
obviously she would be the onethat leaves the show and then
you could just say clark's onassignment, that's why he's not
in the show.
But I would love a daily planthat'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I'd really
enjoy that cool um and then and
then I mean, yeah, she's great,I love you.
Know she's not.
She's in love with him, butshe's not enamored by him, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think that's an
incredible point.
She doesn't.
She's not head over heels forhim.
I think she loves him and, youknow, much to her chagrin.
Probably she loves his goodness, and I don't think she's
willing to admit it yet.
She does love his goodness andI think she realizes that's.
The reason why she loves him isbecause he is unwaveringly good
.
He refuses to be bad.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, she.
It's a lot of what I admiredabout Elizabeth Tulloch's
portrayal of Lois Lane too.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
She challenges him.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yes, yeah, challenges
him directly.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
She knows, he's the
strongest being on the planet.
She doesn't care, breaks him.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, in that
interview sequence, like she
really dissects him and kind of,really kind of gets him to
rethink his worldview, to behonest, and she doesn't do it
out of a place of you know angeror like to be mean.
She's trying to.
(26:27):
He's still kind of a kid.
You know anger or like to bemean, she's trying to.
He's still kind of a kid andyou know, in a lot of ways so
she's trying to get him to seelike hey, man, you kind of you
have a tremendous ideology, butyou got to see how the world
works, because the world is nota nice place.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
No, and that is
embodied, I think, in lex luther
before we get there to hispoint, though, that's his whole
understanding.
That's why, like that's thepunk rock of it, like he's, he's
basically telling her like Istill don't really care like I
still honestly don't care.
Yeah, the world can and again.
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That's once we get into spoilers.
We'll talk about the big changefor this, like lore wise, for
this movie that really dictateda lot of the narrative, for it
really pulled from SupermanBirthright or not Superman
Birthright.
It was Superman Birthrightwhere they pulled most of it
from there.
But I think for him he justdoesn't care.
That's his like.
He's stubborn in that way, likehis goodness makes him stubborn
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, and I quite appreciate that.
Nicholas Holt as Lex Luthormight be one of my favorite
villains I've ever seen onscreen that he I like
non-hyperbolic statement hemight be.
He's probably in my top threefavorite movie villains like
comic book movie villains thatI've seen.
Like I'm really trying to shootdown the list of everybody like
(27:41):
Thanos is up.
That like is obviously in thattop three, just in the full
landscape of all the comic bookmovies that I've seen, heath
Ledger's, Joker, I mean Ledger's, is probably unabashedly the
best.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's unassailable.
I feel like at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I think Thanos gets
there as well too.
I mean, what do you do withLoki?
It's tough.
I don't even want to count him.
I feel like it's a littletougher.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I guess you would
have to look at him as portrayed
as a villain, which would beThor 1, thor 2, and Avengers,
right, and then he kind ofstarts veering into anti-hero
and Thor 2.
Honestly, yeah, he startsveering into anti-hero and Thor
too.
Honestly, yeah, he startsveering into anti-hero heroic
status.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, I'm gonna.
I don't know man.
I'm trying to think of all theDCEU villains.
I'm trying to think of pre-DCEUDC side of things.
I'm trying to think of theMarvel side of things.
Non-marvel.
His performance is Lex Luthor.
It's real-world informed.
It's very real-world informed.
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It's very real-world informed.
He's unapologetically bad.
He's actually a bad human being.
I really like that.
He is a bad person, but you canunderstand why people are right
there in that room believingwhat he's saying.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I mean, it's not
really a spoiler, but there's a
scene where the world is not theworld, but Metropolis is at
risk and the people in his roomare like Lex, people are going
to die and he goes let them.
They chose him, let him savethem.
And there it is.
In a twisted way, he's makinghis own case.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
There's this scene at
the end of the movie where he's
kind of he's talking about envyand he's just like.
That's the scene thattruthfully got me as like that's
Lex Luthor Like and that's sucha great performance.
He was basically saying, likepeople are trying to say that
I'm not an envious person.
He said, yes, I am.
People are trying to say thatI'm not an envious person.
He said, yes, I am, and that'swhy I'm going to save the human
race from a being like this,because I envy him, because I
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have this, this disdain for allof his ideologies and all, and
that an alien being is able towalk into our planet and dictate
everything.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And it's another
reason why I love Mr Terrific's
inclusion in this movie, becausethere's a clear distinction and
terrific even comments on itwhere there's a distinction
between like luther's scienceand terrific science, where
luther's science is like achaotic, impulsive science.
It's still science and it'sstill brilliant, but terrific
makes the point that like his,it like his, what he does is is
(30:17):
not thought out, even if it'sbrilliant.
Yeah, which is why I liketerrific, like, and terrific
even comments on his own sciencewhere he talks about like I'm
not attached to people, like Idon't do emotions, like I just
do the science which I really, Ireally like that parallel.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We can start with the
justice gang, because I want to
talk about miss, I want to talkabout mr terrific and then I
want to talk about guy gardnerand hot girl.
But I think we should focus onmr terrific becauseific, because
I think James Gunn structuredthis well, because I think he
knows that Hawkgirl's going toget her due in whatever the
Justice League movie will beFirst of all she's electric.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh yeah, she
continues to be like Isabella
Merced continues.
It's the same thing when yousee her in the Last of Us, when
you see her in this, you us.
When you see her in this,you're like, oh yeah, movie star
yeah, yeah, she just turned 24today yeah.
You look at her and you're justlike you got it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, you got it,
yeah, yeah, and I think that was
intentional um I think you knowhe's really building this
justice league unlimited lineupand I mean it's intentional that
you know john stortz gonna bethe main green lantern because
hal jordan's older she's in thismovie specifically.
Um, but to start with mrterrific, I think eddie gethegi
finally gets his due, as likesure you know.
(31:35):
But I think it's beyond that,like I think he was so
intentional about not feelinganything about mrific's origin,
because I genuinely think thatMr Terrific's going to get his
own either movie or TV show.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Eddie.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Gathegi's going to
get his due.
He's going to get a greatdirector alongside of him,
because I think that's why yousaid he doesn't.
Mr Terrific's origin goes thathis wife is basically killed in
front.
He's the third smartest man andhe's an Olympic athlete and he
basically, you know, he loseshis wife right in front of him
and then he basically turns intoMr Terrific.
(32:11):
He uses his knowledge to kindof propel him as well too.
So I think for him, eddieGathegi's performance is so like
brash, but it's also verycalculated as well too, like
he's very like closed off, yeah,but you also see, you see the
like the lifeblood of supermaneven into him trickling a little
bit well, that's the importantpart is, um, I guess we'll talk
(32:33):
about in spoilers kind of like,how that happens right, and why
that happens to him specificallyright um, yeah, I mean, and
then.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I mean we're gonna
have to talk about him more in
the spoiler stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah he's so good,
he's so and you can tell like, I
feel like there's somethinglike that.
They're really what?
Like it's almost like jamesgunn knew this character was
gonna pop off in this movie andthat they were gonna get him
ready to get his own thing andlike, mr terrific, like this.
You know, in terms of dc comics, this c-list character is going
to get propelled into theA-list, much like Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, yeah and then,
yeah, we talked about Isabella
Merced already.
Again, just kind of, she's alesser whenever she's on screen.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Out of the three of
them, she gets the least.
Yeah, she flies around, but youknow, I think she's going to
get the most down the line.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Like she most down
the line, like she's gonna have
the biggest payoff probably ofthe three.
It's really the times where shedoesn't have the helmet on.
Yeah, she gets to speak andyou're like, you feel her, you
feel it, you feel her presence.
She's rebellious, like she's.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
She's intentionally
rebellious, which I quite
appreciate.
Like I can see her in a justiceleague lineup like contending
against, like superman andbatman and being like I don't,
you know I'm here but I don't Ishouldn't take orders from you.
Yeah, um, so I mean she wasgreat.
Isabella marcelle like put herin everything.
Like that's somebody that'sgoing to get all of the her
david corn sweat.
(33:55):
Like they're going to get allof the work over the next couple
years.
Yeah, um, so you can add herinto like that.
Timothy chalamet, zendaya,austin butler, range of like
cast them.
Like isabella marsh said, Ithink she's gonna get there too
um, and then nathan fillion asguy gardner her outstanding to
the point where what I reallyappreciate and he was in that he
had an interview where he wastalking about lanterns um, I
(34:18):
think it's his injection intothis film is going to be so
important for lanterns because,like I think this film was like
just get.
So important for lanterns.
Because, like I think this filmwas like just get the justice
game there and just like thehall of justice, like just get
them, get them and just get thatidea planted.
But the three of them are gonnacook, like truthfully cook,
even though mr terrific reallycooks in this film.
Nathan fillion is so like he'sunabashedly annoying and like
(34:44):
that's lore, accurate guygardener, down to a t.
Like he doesn't listen toanybody.
No, his opinions don't matterto him, unless you agree with
him.
Yeah, he's chewing gum whilehe's saving people, like he's
just he's a jerk, like andthat's literal perfect guy
gardener.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
He's a jerk, but he's
not.
He's not mean-spirited.
No, he's not.
He's not.
He's still a green lantern atthe end of the day.
Yes, and very much.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So, man, I don't care
what James Gunn said, where
he's like I didn't put it, yes,you did.
You set yourself up very well,my friend, in this film.
He really did like even thelittle lines.
They're like he's alwaystalking about this oath and that
he'll, he can't do certainthings.
We don't know what he's evertalking about.
No, I think that's going to playoff in Lanterns, because let me
get a two-minute Lanterns siren, because I think that show is
(35:31):
going to be magically great.
Obviously, nathan Fillion isgoing to step into that show.
You have Aaron Pierre as JonStewart, you have Kyle Chandler
as Hal Jordan.
I think the approach is goingto be like they are going to do
the true detective thing.
I think they're going to doNecron, like the Black Lantern
rings.
That's going to be theconspiracy on Earth.
(35:52):
It's like they're going to belike oh shoot, the world's
actually going to like theuniverse is actually about to be
infected by the Black Lantern.
It's like we need to get onthis ASAP.
And Al Jordan's like now I gotthis new kid with me that I have
to train as well too.
So I think Nathan Fillion isgoing to and he kind of joked
about it in an interview, but Ithink he was being serious where
, like, the guardians of all arelike hey, can you do this thing
(36:14):
that nobody should know about?
And he's like, yeah, of courseI will.
Like that's, scott, that's oneof those casting where it's like
, at first you were like that'sfun, like that's funny and fun,
but now I'm like now thinkinglike leveraging lanterns over it
.
Now, like this r-ratedtelevision show about, I think,
one of the greatest greenlantern run of all time, maybe
(36:36):
one of the greatest comic runsof all time.
Um, that I can't remember whowrote that run.
Um, that's escaping me.
That that wrote star girl.
That why can't I remember JeffJohns' name.
That Jeff Johns wrote likethey're really going to dip into
, like the dark ends of that runand what makes the Green
Lantern lore so rich.
And I think Nathan Fillion'sthe perfect counter because,
(36:57):
like I don't think we've seenthe other side of him, like the
true, like we've seen himjuxtaposed to Superman you
haven't seen him juxtaposed toSuperman.
You haven't seen him juxtaposedto like an R rated, like I'm
off the rails, like type ofGreen Lantern show.
So I can't Ooh, I can't waitfor Lanterns.
That might be my number onemost anticipated show for 2026.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Um, especially after
seeing this like I think he got
something truthfully great.
Yeah, I think he was.
I think he was great and I lovethe Well.
Again, we'll talk about the end, but I love his little bit at
the end.
And then I guess we can't roundout this non-spoiler review
without talking about crypto man.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Man, the goodness boy
?
No, maybe not, but that's thepoint.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
There's a reason that
we'll talk about it.
Wow, I was not expecting thatone bit, but it makes sense.
Yes, it does.
It does Once you get to it.
I guess when we do the spoilersection, we can just leave with
that.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Sure, and then we can
maybe work on it, and then
we'll just work our way through,but that's a fun one.
Obviously, the Daily Planetcrew, jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Pierce continues his
heaters oh he is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Four First Steps has
the chance to do the funniest
thing of all time.
Just put Wendell Pierce in allthe superhero movies this year.
He's so fun.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Oh, he's great.
He was fun in Captain Americaand he's fun in this, not
Captain Thunderbolts, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Thunderbolts.
Sorry, man, he was so good.
I love him as Perry.
White, me toory white, and againthat's why I think, do like a
small little show.
Yeah, rachel brosnahan to bethe lead in that show.
Just a few episodes one season.
Yeah, I mean you could domultiple seasons, but just like
a fun in between.
So maybe get like a new hero inmetropolis.
That's like not superman,that's trying to do stuff too.
(38:39):
That would be fun.
Um, but this crew is great.
Um, yeah, and I mean I guess wecan dive into spoilers, the
plot, yeah, let's, let's do it.
Do.
We'll just start with the twobig, two big cameos and then we
can work, sure, um, so spoileralert, full spoiler alert from
now on yeah for superman.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
If you have not seen
the movie yet, don't.
Don't listen to this bit.
Yeah, because we're going totalk about probably everything
that happens, right, right.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Major wise.
Hey Rob, Is Superman the onlyKryptonian on Earth?
No, he's not.
No, he's not BecauseSupergirl's in this movie.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yes, Recently
returned Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
So the reason we find
out Krypto is this chaotic
puppy does not listen, cannot bestopped, will not be stopped
and again the thing that I thinkreally probably caught
everybody's ears and eyes justlike why doesn't superman like
crypto, like shouldn't he like?
He like obviously, like whencrypto gets captured, like I
think it, and like watching theend of the movie and then going
(39:37):
it's more of his just goodnature over that's his dog.
Yeah, he's like where's the dog, luther?
It's like.
It's like it's almost like hemade a commitment to keep that
dog safe.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He did and boy he did
.
Um, he mentions that it's afoster, which kind of is a line
that kind of goes over your headif you're not really listening
because you're like, oh, like headopted the dog or whatever
right, you know, whatever, um,but yes, at the end of the movie
, um, superman's back in thefortress of Solitude and then
this meteor crashes through andthe robot says your cousin is
(40:08):
back.
And then we see Millie Alcockas Supergirl and I again, it's
like the same thing.
When you see her, she just hasthe thing.
It's the same thing I saw whenI watched her in House of the
Dragon.
When you see her as RhaenyraTargary, just, you're just a
lord, you just mag.
(40:30):
You're magnetized by her.
Um, she comes in, she is brash,she is loud, she is drunk, um,
she is foul.
Um, and I could not be moreexcited to see her again in her
own movie.
Um, because, yeah, she comes in, she, she's the one, she's,
(40:56):
that's crypto's mom, um, and sheis obviously, if you guys don't
know the development history ofher film, it's going to be
based on the Supergirl Woman ofTomorrow story by Tom King, you
get a chance to read that comic.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
That comic is
phenomenal.
It's essentially like a purposestory, like what's my true
purpose.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Which you kind of the
backdrop is kind of in this
small scene.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
I mean they even give
her the coat that she's wearing
in the beginning of the comic,which I thought was incredible.
That literally drops her.
I think they're going to dropher literally right in the.
It even goes down to she'spartying on planets with red
suns so she can make sure shegets drunk.
It's literally taking place.
And the way James was talkingabout it, he said we're going to
(41:41):
do a big sci-fi film for thisand I said well, that's a cool
approach.
Who's directing this film aswell?
I think the director of.
There's something that thatdirector did that he's notable
for that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I can't wait to see
it's Craig Gillespie.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Right Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Who has done he?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
did something.
He did a few things, I think.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
He did Fright Night.
Few things, I think.
Uh, he did fright night.
He did, oh, he did cruella.
Yeah, yeah, he did cruella.
Um, and yeah, I mean yeah, shecome so small backdrop on the
supergirl woman of tomorrowstory.
It's basically she.
It's true.
Grit has been on earth now.
Her whole purpose was toprotect clark and she figures
out he doesn't need it.
So she's like what am I doinghere?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Not only does she not
need it.
The world's enamored bySuperman.
That's Superman.
That's the biggest superhero onthe planet.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I don't need to do
anything.
She has all the trauma ofKrypton exploding.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I think they're
really going to focus on that as
well.
And it's such an interestingpoint.
She has all the trauma of, youknow, of Krypton being destroyed
.
She understood it, she wasthere, she was a teenager, she
knew exactly what was happening.
So, basically, she comes to,she just goes planet hopping.
She gets to one planet and thislittle girl's like, hey, this
guy killed my dad, can you helpme track him down?
(43:06):
And she's just like no, shesaid no, I won't, like, why
would I ever do this?
And then you know, events happen, and then she kind of just
teams up and is on board andit's like a, it's a true story
about you know trauma, um, aboutyou know self-discovery and
self-worth and purpose, and Ithink it's like it's, it's, it's
a tom king special.
It's the same thing he did withmr miracle, um, the the
absolutely incredible,incredible comic, one of my
(43:28):
probably my favorite comic I'veever read.
So Tom King helped write thisas well too, which I think is
really awesome.
So, millie Alcock, she lookslike you want to think like
about, feel like a characterfeels like like, and it's it's
such a great counter to DavidCornsworth.
Yeah, cause he's such likegreat counter to david corn.
So yeah, because he's such likethis, like just goodness, for
(43:48):
goodness sake, what's the linethat she tells him at the end?
oh, I can't remember thanks forwatching my, my dog b.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, she's hilarious
like I can't wait for that
movie.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
She's like a frat
girl exactly, yeah, she's like
she doesn't care about anything,she's just getting drunk planet
hopping.
But I think she's going to tryto find true purpose.
I think the movie's going to belike a I don't even want to say
like a hidden gem of the DCU,because this is the next movie.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, it's going to
be a really great.
She's going to come across aslike an anti-hero kind of and
then kind of ascend to beingSupergirl, yeah, which I think
will be really fun.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Man.
You know what I was thinkingabout just before we get into
the next point, just about thebroad scale DCU.
Like this is what Disney Plusneeded to be doing.
Like this is the true leverageof your streaming service and
your movie If you're going to dothe TV show movie thing at the
same time and I'm thinkingspecifically about Lanterns, I'm
thinking about Peacemaker.
Like obviously they got luckybecause Peacemaker like I guess
(44:53):
they didn't, they probablydidn't know about the crossover,
like that James Gunn was goingto take it when Peacemaker was
being filmed.
Like obviously they put like aDCEU cameo in Peacemaker.
But I think they'reunderstanding the true potential
.
Like it shouldn't be like thisthing that's so, like you need
to watch this thing to get tothe thing.
Like you should be able towatch projects and just enjoy
the projects, but like thepayoff for you watching the
(45:15):
project and then watchingproject to project is going to
be great.
So it's a true great leveragingof HBO Max Newly minted again
HBO Max.
Speaking of Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, we do get a
small cameo from John Cena in
this movie.
Yeah, being interviewed aboutSuperman by discount.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, yeah.
So basically I mean we're goingto talk about it once we get
into the actual plot of thismovie and how it pertains to
Superman Birthright, because Ithink narratively this is much
more like Superman Birthrightand then canonically or
feel-wise, thematically I shouldsay it's much more akin to
All-Star Superman.
But basically there's a FoxNews interview where they're
(46:01):
just like that dang Superman, helied to us.
Yeah, he lied to us.
I knew he was no good, ain'tthat right Peacemaker?
Yeah, he calls him Chris.
The theater freaked out whenthat cameo got such a I got a
better reaction than Supergirl.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
People are really in
on John Cena.
He said that's his favoriterole that he's ever had was
Peacemaker.
I think he said that makessense.
Yeah, I just I love thatcharacter Like I really think
that like that character isprobably going to be one of the
more important characters in theDCU.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, we'll see how
the season two shakes out, but
yeah, that was a really funmoment.
We do a small, small cameo fromwhat's his name as maxwell lord
oh yeah uh, sean gunn, yeah,yeah, sean gunn shows up as
maxwell lord who, by the wayagain it kind of goes
understated he's funding thejustice gang.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yes they're his crew
yeah, and he built, like you see
, lord tech devices all around.
Jimmy's got a lord techcomputer.
Yeah, he in this universe, heseems.
He seems like steve jobs inthis universe, he seems like
Steve Jobs in this universe.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Sure that makes sense
Versus Lex Luthor is Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Slashed in Jeff Bezos
, mixed into one.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah.
So that was a nice little SeanGunn cameo at the end of the
movie there.
Okay, the big.
What is this movie about andhow does it propel our
characters forward?
So, superman, he feels like hehas this purpose given to him by
(47:36):
his parents, his birth parentsyeah, his birth parents.
He has this message that playsin the Fortress of Solitude,
that basically lays out hismission statement basically.
And who's playing his father?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Bradley Cooper.
Bradley Cooper is Jor-El inthis universe.
That's fun.
No, it's not.
Jor-el's a warmongeringhorrible person apparently in
this universe Like Smallville.
Yeah, like Smallville, I mean.
This one is much more likenefarious than Smallville.
Smallville was more like youshould just be in charge of the
planet.
Wallville was more like youshould just be in charge of the
(48:08):
planet, like just be in chargeof them, because they can't help
it.
This one's like pillage theentire Earth, murder anybody
that won't fall alive in line.
Have as many wives as you needto repopulate and turn this
place into new Krypton.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, so that's the
big Dang it, bradley Cooper.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
we thought you were a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, so half of the
message is go to Earth.
Do good, be awesome, beSuperman, we love you, love you
son, love you, love you kid.
But the second half of themessage was damaged, so Clark
never heard the rest of it.
And then, and then, and then,and then Lex Luthor and co break
(48:49):
into the fortress of solitude,they kidnap crypto and they
extract the back half of themessage.
Um, through the engineer, she'sable to decode and decrypt the
rest of the message and recoverthe damaged data.
And then lex luther finds outwhat that is, and then he
subsequently releases it to theworld.
Um, and, to your point, that isexactly what the message is.
(49:11):
Um, it is them basically sayingrule, rule the earth, um, and
create a new krypton by anymeans necessary.
Um, and then everyone's likethat's wow, whoa wait a minute,
that's not yeah, then the worldessentially turns on him in real
time.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
That was a really
quick, that was a really cool
piece and a really cool twist.
I mean, obviously, like it's abit jarring at first because
you're so in tuned with, likeJor-El, like with Superman's
parents being like thesealtruistic Kryptonians that only
that foresaw the end of theworld but wanted their son to
(49:49):
survive so he can bring about abetter tomorrow.
Forget that Russell Crowe,forget that Marlon Brando no
shot, my son's going to rulethis thing.
Crazy, what a what a change.
But it's, it's one of thosethings that watching this movie
front to back and understandingnarratively works, because then
it's like he is a good person todo good, to be good, no matter
what he thought.
(50:09):
That message and man, you knowwhat scene got me?
The pockhead scene with him gotme, got me immediately.
Got me because he basicallyfast-forwarded the movie.
Clark, he gets his butt beat.
He goes back Well, hesurrenders.
Well, he surrenders, yeah, tothe government.
And then the government's like,hey, well, basically, rick
(50:30):
flagg seniors frank growl is inthis movie, is rick flagg senior
, um, basically tells supermanmy bad brother, I actually don't
hate you the same way thateverybody else hates you, but
we're also turning you over tolike my hands are tied, I have
to turn you over.
We're going.
We're going private owned onthis one.
We're not going to hold you ina prison because we don't know
how to handle you.
So here's Lex Luthor's prison,and it's an interdimensional
(50:54):
prison.
This is the most comic book-ymovie I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I forgot to mention
that up top.
Yeah, that was my big pointcoming out of it.
Oftentimes these comic bookmovies fit themselves neatly
into some type of genre.
You can just throw one outthere.
Ant-man movies fit themselvesneatly into some type of genre,
right?
Um, you can just throw one outthere.
Hey man, it's a heist movie.
Um, black Panther is a is adrama, drama action type Um.
(51:19):
Captain America winter soldieris an espionage, espionage movie
, espionage, action, adventuremovie like the flash.
We don't talk about the flash.
Bad, it's a bad movie, that'sits genre.
Bad, um.
But this movie, the batman,it's a detective.
(51:40):
It's a detective noir movie,it's seven, um.
But this movie is, its genre iscomic book.
Its job job is beach, for lackof a better word, not lifeguard.
Its genre is comic book.
This movie is a comic bookmovie.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
This movie is a comic
book.
Yeah, it's a real-life, living,breathing comic book.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Lex Luthor just has a
bridge to a pocket dimension.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
And you're not Great
and you don't, they drop you
immediately and it's fast.
That first 30 minutes of themovie it's fast.
I know some of the nitpicksabout this movie is the first 30
minutes are so like People werecalling it messy a bit fast.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
They drop you in and
he's fighting the hammer of
Ruvia.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
And I think that's
the point To James Gunn's point
is that, like cause to JamesGunn's point.
He said we've seen the Supermanorigin 1.3 trillion times.
We already know what happens.
It's not just about theSuperman origin.
This world needs to feel likeit's been lived in.
That's why Superman is such animportant piece to them.
So they drop you right in.
Kryptonite just gets named,dropped and you're like all
kryptonite just gets namedropped and you're like all
(52:48):
right, cool.
Interdimensional pocketreality's cool, mr terrific as
t-sphere is cool.
Green lantern core is out there.
They're already on their thirdgreen lantern.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Cool, like we've
already done all this stuff yeah
yeah, it's very cool yeah,superman surrenders to the, to
the government.
That's the president of thegovernment you're talking to.
Um, he goes.
He goes to jail.
He goes to lex lex jail, wherelex is keeping all his arch, not
even his arch nemesis, justkeeping ex-girlfriends, just
people that have aggrieved himare there.
(53:15):
Um, he's got which.
This is the.
This is the thing that got thebiggest laugh out of me the
monkeys yeah the rage baitmonkeys.
The rage bait monkeys.
Um, that's a great bit, okay,you can say.
You can say what you want aboutjames gunn's humor.
It doesn't land for everybody.
That bit landed for me.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I enjoyed the rage
because I was talking about
people to him.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
I love it.
Yeah, it was tremendous, um,especially since, like
superman's, like I don't readthat social media, like they got
like hashtags for him and thenyou find out it's just a bunch
of monkeys that are just angry.
Yeah, it's great.
It's great, and if you're madat that, it's because you're one
of those rage bait monkeys.
Right, it's great.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
But also in his
prison he has.
Anthony Kerrigan's metamorphois in here.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Who we were led to
believe was going to be a much
bigger deal in this movie.
He was a pretty decent deal,like in original, like
conceptually of this movie, likehe was supposed to be like the
guy, like the villain, thevillain, I think so.
It was originally like thebefore, like the Lex Luthor
thing got like confirmed, likeMetamorpho was supposed to be
like the antagonist.
Is this real?
(54:23):
Yeah, this is like conceptually, first concept of the movie.
I never heard that.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, I'm just, I
didn't know, but metamorpho.
I think he's going to turn intoa James Gunn fan favorite after
, after this movie and whateverthe next project he'll be in is.
He's great, he's great.
I really feel AnthonyKerrigan's pain, like the pain
he must feel, like this monsterthat he, he thinks he is gods
(54:50):
and monsters, gods and monstersum, he's got his son joey, yeah,
um, but yeah, he basicallymakes kryptonite and he's like
he tells superman like don't,don't do nothing crazy.
And superman's like I'm gonnabreak out, I'm gonna save
everybody.
He's like you can't.
He's like watch me, watch me doit.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Well, he can't.
He can't at first, he wouldn'thave um.
But then lex lutherinterrogates one of superman's.
I mean, they're not evenfriends.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Well, I mean to the
point, like superman feels like
a friend, like a guy who gave mefood once, and he's like sue,
and again this guy must solve,you know, the the quote-unquote
bad that superman did, and likehe's like that can't be superman
, I, I, he saved me, I know whosuperman and I know what
superman is.
So he lex luther, kills.
That got a big pop out of ourtheater because we're like again
(55:38):
to like the converse of thecomic book.
You like this movie's got somescenes where you're like, oh,
shoot, like yeah, and that wasone of them where you're like,
oh, shoot, oh, and he justkilled yeah he basically plays
russian roulette and he killshim on the second bullet.
And then lux was like nah, shoot, sucks, I'll go get lois lane
next if you won't talk to me andyou're like, wow, this guy is
evil but then that's, that's themoment that breaks metamorpho.
(55:59):
He's like I didn't again he'slike I didn't do anything, like
I didn't, I didn't step up, likeI had the I can do stuff and
but I didn't do it, so that'shis hero origin story yeah, he
lets Superman heal.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Superman breaks out,
saves the baby.
We get a fight in a protonriver.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, this is a comic
book.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, it's insane.
Yeah, meanwhile, Mr Triffickand Lois Lane are trying to find
Superman, but he finds.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Krypto.
He hates Krypto, he does finds.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Krypto.
He hates Krypto.
He does hate Krypto.
Fuck that dog man.
The Mr Terrific action sequenceis tremendous.
Oh, that's probably gonna.
It's the Yondu thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the musicgets loud.
Things are flying all over theplace.
He took the Yondu sequence andjust made it Mr Terrific.
It's so awesome, it's so cool,it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
So yeah, anthony
Kerrigan, he's great.
He's great as Metamorpho.
Really appreciated him as welltoo.
I can't wait to see more of him.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
He shows up again at
the end of the final battle with
the Justice Gang, which is apoint I want to circle back to
when we talk about the war, thewar backdrop.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
When we get into that
plot point Right?
So, like we said, the big plotchange is that the world kind of
turns against Superman.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
For a bit, for a bit,
but he's unwavering Like he's
unwavering good.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Until the good old
story the pen is mightier than
the sword.
It's mightier than Lex Luthor.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yes, it is, yep, it
is they got him.
It is, it is, they got him butthey got him, they got, they got
him, they got him.
And then I guess anothermystery in this movie is the,
the mystery of Ultraman.
Yes, it's not much of a mystery.
No, we?
Speaker 1 (57:36):
I'm sorry, we knew it
.
It was never Henry Cavill inthere, no it was always going to
be a clone.
It can tell by the way he waswalking.
That seems like a veryover-exaggerated Superman walk.
He had the mullet.
He did have the mullet.
Yeah, I do think that he'sgoing to turn himself into
Bizarro.
I think that's exactly what'sgoing to happen Probably gets
(57:57):
sucked into the black hole, goesto the Bizarroverse.
Oh not the Bizarroverse, you'rethe Bizarroverse from Superman
and Lois.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
No, that place was.
That was truly a bizarre place.
Yeah, it was.
The earth was a cube.
Yep, I'm a superhero.
Lois, that man was angry, hewas.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
And then he became
Doomsday.
He did become Doomsday.
What an art, Amazing.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
How did a Doomsday on
a mid a slightly higher to
mid-budget television show lookinfinitely better than the big
action blockbuster Doomsday.
That Doomsday had heart?
No, it didn't.
He got his heart stabbed.
Remember when Superman pushedhim into the sun and they had
like a moment.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, yeah, that show
is special.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
That show is special.
I don't care what anyone saysthat last episode man.
They got me feeling bad forDoomsday at the end of that show
.
They pushed him into the sun.
Bad for Doomsday at the end ofthe show, push him into the sun
Doomsday did the Kevin Costner?
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, let me go.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
I'm not your enemy,
Clark.
This movie had absolutely notone singular tornado in it.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, no tornadoes in
this movie.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
No tornadoes sucking
up Hawken.
No, Zero out of ten.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
No Speaking of Hawken
man, man, that was good stuff.
Man, boss, kent, how she's,just like she's.
I love how they're older, Idon't know that.
That's like a little piece thatI really appreciated.
Like they were.
They were like definitivelyolder, like they outaged,
because obviously he doesn't ageas fast, so like they were this
older couple.
Yeah, we're like.
(59:24):
It was cute.
He said Clark, I saw you on thenews, clark doing good out
there.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
That was cute.
I did like I.
I like them.
They're not my favorite mompocket, but they were fun.
They were.
Who's your favorite mom pocket?
Um, I mean, we haven't seenthem.
I've.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
I mean the smallville
yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair
fair, um, but they're, they'recute, I like them.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
I like that scene
with him and Pa Kent.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
Man, the big softy,
Kevin Costner could never.
No, he couldn't.
So, basically, that's the scenethat got me.
When we talk about the mostemotional moment, I think it's
this scene, because Superman'sgot nowhere to go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
The world's turned
against him.
The Justice Gang won't help him, so he goes back.
He's got nowhere to go, theworld's turned against him.
The Justice Gang won't help him, no, so he goes back.
He's weak from everythingthat's just transpired, so Lois
takes him back to Kansas.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And basically you
know he's healing from the
kryptonite poisoning.
Because they said likebasically Metamorph is like why
isn't he healing?
He's like because he haskryptonite poisoning now it's in
his bloodstream.
He needs to get into the sunand he needs to heal.
And basically Pa Kent says thefact that you thought the rest
of that message was about youcoming to Earth to save Earth
(01:00:41):
tells me everything I need toknow about you and why you're
the most incredible person ever.
And he says your choices, youractions that's that, yeah,
that's the speech.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That again to my
point that I said up top about
the theme of and the arc that hegoes on, the difference you
know what he thinks, what heperceives is supposed to be, a
difference between who he shouldbe and who he thinks he should
be.
These now these things havemerged right, because now it's
irrelevant, like the messagefrom his parents becomes
irrelevant.
Yeah, because it's not, becausehe always thought I mean he, he
(01:01:21):
was a good person, but healways thought he needed to be a
hero because of them right,because of their message.
But now he realizes, no, I needto be a hero and I can be a
hero because it's the rightthing to do, and it's me yeah
it's not what my parentsimparted on me, it's.
It's who I am.
Yeah, so the rest of that's whythe end of the movie is so
powerful when, when they, therobots ask him you know, do you
(01:01:43):
want to play the message fromyour parents?
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
it was the guardians
three ending again.
Yeah, it was the same feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Of course it was, but
you know it works because
that's that's.
Thematically, what happens isno, he's no longer
differentiating who he thinks heshould be versus who he wants
to be.
Those two people are the samenow, right?
Um, and it's instigated by thepocket speech which I think is
great, yeah, and it's you knowhis kind of recall to action, as
(01:02:11):
it were.
Um, because in the backdrop ofthis whole movie is this
conflict between these twofictional nations.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Fictional nations
these two very fictional nations
of baravia and jaan Por Veryfictional conflict going on in
the Middle East.
Yeah, it is an unrealisticfictional conflict that's
definitely not thinking aboutreal world implications.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Not one bit, not one
bit.
So these two nations, onenation has all this military
power that was given to them.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, yeah, and one
nation who fighting to survive
and fighting to be a people it'sgaza, in israel oh no, are we a
political podcast now?
Look, look, james gunn.
James gunn made it political.
No, he didn't, it was alwayspolitical.
Um, so we get the president ofArabia, who's just the worst.
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
He's like a gross,
like glutton of a man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yep, he's, yeah, yep,
he wants to conquer.
What's the name of the other?
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
nation.
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Jarrampur, Jarrampur.
Yes, At the behest man.
Well, it's a little mix betweenGaza and Israel, and then
Russia and Ukraine Stop me ifyou heard this before but the
one, the most powerful man inAmerica, wants to make nice with
the president of Arabia.
And the most powerful man inAmerica at this point is not the
(01:03:45):
president, it's Lex Luthor.
He wants to make nice with thepresident of Bravia because he
wants a little piece of theaction.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah, he wants to
have to make his own country.
Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Luxoria Great Good,
I'm glad that we're back to
supervillains.
All he needed was a laser onthe moon and he would have been
the most comic book movievillain I think I've ever seen
in my life.
He wanted to name the countryLuthoria.
Yeah, great Good, I'm gladwe're back to this.
(01:04:17):
I'm telling you, all he neededwas a laser on the moon.
If the back half of the moonwould have opened up and a giant
laser would have came out, I'dbe like and you know what, in
this universe, I wouldn't havebatted an eye.
Then he would have been thegreatest comic book.
He would have passed Ledger atthat point.
I have this laser on the moon,Superman.
Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
It's pointed at
Kansas, gene Hackman's Luther
would have done that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
It's pointed at
Smallville right now.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Smallville.
How do you know who I am so?
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
yeah, so they have
the Hammer of Bravia, who's not
real.
It's ultra man dressed up asthe hammer of bravia.
Um, great, good, um.
So yeah, that conflict is whatsuperman's first call to action,
because that's what he jumps into stop that war.
And lois is like can't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Superman's like watch
me yeah, that's the whole point
.
He's like watch me, I will Idon't care.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
But then lex luther's
plans are unraveling.
He doesn't want to admit thatthey're unraveling, which is
another thing I really likeabout this lex luther is he's
like it's still fine,everything's fine.
Yeah, we're just gonna ramp upthe crazy.
Yeah, more I love.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And again, it still
keeps his sanity about how smart
he is.
Not his sanity about the world,because he's insane, but his,
his, his actual mind is stillpeak, peak, moving.
He's like he said, lex, intheory, you know, you could open
up the world holes, but we'regonna need the exact code.
At the exact time he said okay,we're good, then I don't care,
go about it, I need to killsuperman, I don't care who dies
(01:05:51):
doing it yeah, so that's whathappens.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
He's like reopen the
thing, reopen then they're like
it could tear up.
I have fabric in the thing andthen it did happen.
Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
The fabrics were
being torn yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
So big, big rift is
opening up.
It's heading towards metropolis.
We're evacuating the city,evacuate the city, engage all
defenses and get this man a cape.
Um, I cleaned your boots foryou.
So, yeah, superman's gotta flyinto action.
But before you can fly intoaction, he finds out that
baravia is prepping for anotherinvasion of jahar what's the
last siege like this is the onethat's gonna set them over the
(01:06:24):
edge, and yeah, baravia's like,that's it, we're coming, we're
Yep, we're coming in, we'retaking your land, yeah, huh.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
No, says the Justice
Gang Well before that you know
they kind of say, and then youknow Well, this is where I
wanted to talk about the JusticeGang bit, because this is
important.
Yeah, the kids are likeSuperman Superman.
Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And sees like like
this is beyond us.
Well, at this point, terrificis already kind of on superman's
side, which is also importantbecause he's the one that claims
it doesn't.
He doesn't have emotions, buthe's the first one that kind of
breaks rank, you know where.
Like even hawk girl, who Ithink understands where he's
coming from, is like no, likeit's not our problem, like we're
not dealing with it.
Um, you're kind of on your own,whereas, like like Terrific is
like all right, like I kind ofsee he's a good guy, like we
(01:07:15):
should help him, right, or Ishould help him at least.
He gives Lois his Terrificplane, great garage door bit.
Yeah, it's a great bit, Ireally liked it.
It's a great bit, I reallyliked it.
Um, and again, just a comic,the unabashed comic bookness of
(01:07:36):
this where, like here it is,he's got a fucking ufo.
Yeah, that he can, that can doanything.
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It's almost like you
know what I was thinking about.
Like it's like the coma thingwhere, like you wake somebody up
from a coma from like 2005 andthey wake up in 2018.
Sure what if I told you thatspider-man's gonna have the iron
spider suit and he's gonna bevalkyrie from the comics is
gonna be carrying him with theinfinity gauntlet, and you're
like, excuse me, right, likeit's the same thing.
Where you're like superman andlois lane flew mr terrific's
(01:08:02):
t-shirt to smallville whilecrypto plays with cows in the
land, and you're like all right,I'm in, everything's fine, um,
so yeah um, so yeah, terrific'son board.
Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
And then.
So now the metropolis thing ishappening, the conflict in jar
and poor is happening.
So now what does he do?
Because terrific, on one end,is like I need you in metropolis
because the city, the city isflying yeah the city's not
flying, but the city's splittingin half, city's splitting in
half.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
The whole world's
about to be sucked into a black
hole.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
But on the other end,
this conflict in Bravia is
happening.
So Superman's like and hechooses Metropolis.
He chooses to save Metropolisbecause the Justice Gang,
they're in, they're in, they'rein, they're successfully moved
by Superman's willingness tojust always be good and they
(01:08:53):
jump in.
Hawkgirl and Green Lantern jumpin and Metamorpho jumps in the
newest member of the JusticeGang.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Is he cool?
Is it a cool name?
That's a pretty cool name, guyGardner's.
Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Like you're on the
team man yeah, cause Guy Gardner
says that Metamorpho is toougly to be in the Justice Gang
and Metamorpho's like JusticeGang.
That's an awesome name.
Guy Gardner's like you're allright.
Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah, you're all
right man.
Hawkgirl kills the president ofArabia.
Insane, that's probably goingto come back to bite her in the
wings.
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Because, because one
lecture has joked too many out
of the president of Bravia, shecomes.
How do you feel about thescreeching?
Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I'm all right with it
.
It's a bit jarring Because theyhave that super wide-angle lens
that they push really againsther face when she does, and
you're like oh, but yeah, sheswoops him up and then just he
does the old.
Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
You know what it
reminded me of?
It reminded me of the X-Men 97with the Bolivar Trap.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, when hewas like like in the back of his
mind he's like, well, she's an.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
X-Man.
She's not going to drop me.
Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
She's not going to
drop me and then no, no, she,
let me go.
Same sugar, same thing happenshere.
Like the president, barabia islike you're like justice gang,
like you're, you're a hero.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
And she's like oh
well, she talks about superman.
He's like he'll never kill me.
Superman doesn't kill.
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
She's like I'm not
superman I'm not superman, I'm
not him I can't because I thinkthey're especially and again it
because batman doesn't kill, butget.
Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Batman's ideologies
are different than than
superman's.
I'm see, jane, I don't carewhat you say, you were trying to
get a super justice leaguemovie together.
I am chomping at the bits forwhatever this justice league
movie is going to look like Imay not be him, but I am her and
she drops them dead.
I can't wait for the dynamicbetween all of them, can't wait
(01:10:45):
yeah, because they're alreadykind of setting them up pretty
different.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And Superman also,
he's saving squirrels.
Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
He's saving everybody
that he can.
He's like come on, man, yeah,the little kid.
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
They're like there's
gotta be a human.
Oh yeah, when they're fightingthe giant, the giant Kaiju
monster, and like the JusticeGang is just trying to
neutralize it of like collateraldamage and superman is
basically flying around tryingto prevent as much damage as
possible, he's like come on,guys, like good, golly guys um,
(01:11:20):
that's why superman but yeah,the justice gang staves off the
bravian military um thwartinglex luther's plans, thwarting um
, thwarting Lex Luthor's plans,thwarting my plans, thwarting
your plans.
Uh, meanwhile, the Daily Planetcrew is on terrific ship getting
the story ready.
Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I love that bit where
you know everybody's evacuating
because the world's about toend, so everybody's evacuating.
Metropolis.
And like I love when James Gunndoes his like whip pans Like
that was probably the best whippan in the movie where it's like
each member of the crew got alittle whip pan as they were
going around.
It's like Lane Olsen.
Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, no matter what
happens, the story comes first.
Jimmy Olsen gets all his intelfrom Eve Tessmacher, which is
fun.
Well, the bit it's a fun bitwhere Jimmy Olsen is just the
ultimate playboy, basically.
Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
But he's still like
Jimmy Olsen.
He's just Jimmy Olsen.
Yeah, it's not James Olsen fromSupergirl.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
No, no one can ever
be James Olsen.
Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
That's.
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Jimmy Olsen.
Every woman's like swooningover him, but like he just
doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
No, he wants no part
of it.
Yeah, no, he wants no part ofit.
Yeah, he wants no part of it,and yeah, so he's got a thing
with eve test mocker and no evetest mocker has a thing with him
.
Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Sure, they have like
an affair behind lex's back, but
it's a one-handed affairbecause jimmy does not like her.
No, um.
Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
so she ends up
sending him a bunch of selfies,
but it's backdropped as intel onle's plans.
She's smarter than she looks,so that's what they use to bring
Lex down.
And then they save the city.
And then Superman one lastconfrontation with Lex.
Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
How did you like the?
This is my ideology and this isyour ideology argument.
I actually quite loved it, eventhough I guess some people I
guess I'm not supposed to Iloved it personally, and you
know the reason.
I loved it Because they couldhave stopped at the Superman bit
.
But I love Lex's punch.
I like that.
He got a retort.
Yes, I think that was the mostimportant part of that speech.
It's heavy-handed, it is, butit's the point.
It is the point.
This movie's unapologetic aboutitself.
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I am going to be heavy-handedabout it.
What's?
Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
the comic book bit,
yeah, as these two characters
are literally spouting out theirideologies at you, yeah, or at
each other, I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Right, I just love
Lex's bounce back to be like no
you.
Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
I do like that he got
a retort, Because quite often
it would be the hero being likehere's the thing about a thing
or two lex, and then they justkind of like and he gets
handcuffed and gets thrown awayby like that he did.
Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
He did get escorted,
but he also got murked by crypto
before that he did.
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
That was great.
I enjoyed that.
Um, I don't know how that dogdidn't kill him but um, but I
did, like that lex kind of gotto bite back and be like your
ideology is ridiculous.
Yeah, and again it feels morelike we're gonna see each other
for a while, like I think thestudio is gonna be like your
ideology is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Again, it feels more
like we're going to see each
other for a while.
I think the studio is going tobe like no, as long as this
movie makes a billion dollars,you two are going to be playing
these characters for a very longtime and I like that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Lex's retort wasn't
necessarily like your ideology
is wrong, it's just I'm right.
Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Yes, and like.
I don't care that, you're agood person and like as long as
you're here, we are on acollision course for the end of
humanity and I will not havethat.
Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I will not have it.
I will not have it.
Um, I really like that.
I really like that.
Back against the wall, his lifeis over as he knows it, but he
doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Well, you know where
this is going to his arc.
Right, he's getting the bigsuit oh he's going to be the
president.
Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Oh yeah, that makes
sense.
That makes sense for this world.
Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
He's going to be the
president of the United States.
He'll find a way.
He's going to go to jail for alittle bit and then, um, jail
for a little bit and then um yousaw that nicholas holtz, like I
want my lux to interact withthe joker.
Like they're also probablygoing to do the injustice league
, this unit man, if they can get, because he said this isn't
going to end in like these bigthey not necessarily that.
(01:15:22):
While I do think that's a lie,because I think the studio's
like, hey, the team-up moviesmake a billion dollars, so do a
team-up movie.
I just think he's like they'regonna, they're gonna do Justice
League.
He's literally building thiswhole roster to be Justice
League Unlimited.
Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yes, yeah.
And he should just not pretendthat Of course you're gonna make
a Justice League movie.
Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I truthfully think
they should do the Injustice
League against them in the firstmovie.
I don't see a better antagonistthan a triumvirate of like.
Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
It's tough man,
because you gotta that character
.
The Joker especially needs somerehabilitation.
As crazy as that sounds, I seewhat you did there, because the
I mean the Joker 2 thing justmurdered that character.
Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, I mean On
purpose what?
You have to ask now is becausein this universe it seems like
this Batman has been around.
For what?
Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
A couple years.
Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I think probably 10
plus.
Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Oh, you're going on
the proviso that it's not going
to be Pattinson's Batman.
Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
I don't think it will
be Like and I was truthfully
encompassent that it would be.
I just think that Matt Reevesand I was truthfully
encompassent that it would be.
I just think that Matt Reeves,like that pocket universe is,
come on, man.
Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
That universe is, so
that would have been a good bit.
If Lex goes into the pocketdimension and he ends up in the
Batman universe.
I think that would be.
Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Oh, if he ran into
the penguin, he's like, oh, he
would have to run into ColinFarrell's penguin.
That would be the only way thatthat's hilarious, whoops, I I
truthfully think that, as coolas it would be, I think again I
will die in the hell.
I think that Pattinson and CornSweat would be the perfect
counter to each other, like theywould be the perfect sides of
(01:16:59):
the same coin.
I do think it's going to be adifferent actor.
I specifically think it's goingto be Brandon Sklaner.
They're going to just make himBatman because he looks exactly
like Batman laughs, as long ashe shaved that mustache.
He refuses to shave thatmustache in any project he's in.
But yes, I do think thatBatman's going to be around for
probably 10 years, because thatBatman was in Creature Commandos
(01:17:20):
, true.
So I think, because what youcould do if it was Pattinson is
say that the Batman came outlike 10 years, like in the
universe before that.
But I still think you wouldhave to cross a lot of I's and
dot a lot of T's that the studiowouldn't.
So my fear is that the BatmanPart 2 is going to be the last
(01:17:41):
Batman movie.
I don't think we're going toget the Brave and the Bold until
probably 2029, 2030, before weget that movie, which I think in
of itself is a mistake.
I think you need to fast getthat movie, which I think in of
itself is a mistake.
I think you need to fast trackthat movie, but also, I need
Robert Pattinson back as Batman.
I don't know, man, what do youthink?
Do you think that they're justgoing to make him Batman?
(01:18:02):
I think they should.
Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Um, because I don't
think I'm understand Matt
Reeves's perspective, but I alsodon't think he should be afraid
of James Gunn.
To kind of Obviously, JamesGunn wouldn't direct a Batman
movie, but I don't think MattReeves should be afraid of James
Gunn kind of borrowing thatversion of Batman for a bit.
Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Amy Muschietti was at
that premiere a lot.
He was front and center at thatpremiere which makes me think
they are going to move forwardwith him as the director.
Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah, Again to the
point that you kind of made last
week.
I don't think you want to messaround with confusing people,
Not even confusing people, butjust Right now, especially since
you're.
Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
How hard did that
marketing team work and that
studio work and James work tolike, no, this isn't the DCEU
anymore.
This is the DCEU.
Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
We're right here,
like we got a hopeful Superman,
like we got some cool stuff onthe way, and you have two pretty
much critically acclaimed filmsand two actors that pretty
perfectly embody these twocharacters.
I don't know why you would messwith that by getting another
Batman actor.
Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And you don't need to
change the Batman.
No, not at all.
Obviously, the only thingyou're going to need to do is
like why can't Matt Reeves justdirect the Batman?
Because you and to James Gunn'spoint, he said the directors
are going to it's not theuniverse that's going to dictate
, the creative vision is goingto dictate.
Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
And I don't think
there's inherently anything in
that first Batman movie thatforbids it from being part of
this universe.
Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
No, no, who says
Right, that's what I mean.
Just because it looks veryfilmic and looks very cinematic,
like so, and it's a little bitgrounded, but so is Batman.
Batman is comparatively likeyou play an Arkham game, like
you're not fighting giant Kaijusin that Arkham game.
Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, and he.
I mean he went up against crimein the first movie.
Exactly, he, exactly.
He went up against the leastsuperpowered person.
Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
That probably that is
in his rose gallery in the
riddler.
Yeah, and the joker was stillthere in the whims, like, yeah,
you could still get barry keeganto be to be the joker if you
want.
Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Like, so you don't
need to cast him and the whole
thing with batman and thejustice league is weird anyway,
because he's not really in thejustice league, but he's somehow
the leader of the justiceLeague.
He's like a hired gun thatthey're just like hey, do you
want to be the, do you want inon this one?
And he's like nah.
But then something happens andhe's like I'm here and I'm in
charge, yeah, and I'm the leader.
That's usually what happens,like the Justice League has to
(01:20:29):
deal with, like, and they callhim up and he's like I'm not
interested, I'm doing a thing.
The mr freeze broke out ofarkham again and they're like
really, mr freeze.
And he's like all right, fine,I'll.
Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And then, like
they're like well, batman's out,
and then they turn around andbatman's there and he's like I
thought about it, yeah possiblyyou can say that this batman was
so far and like not so far inthe past, but this batman took,
like the batman, part 1 tookplace years.
Yeah, why not?
It's a movie out of time.
Yeah, like it is.
It, truthfully, is like thatgoes along with like the noir.
(01:21:01):
Feel to it like that movie.
Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
It's a movie out of
time.
It doesn't.
It could have taken right toyour point.
Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
It could have taken
place five years before the
Superman movie.
Five his haircut and everythinglike we're like shoot like that
, looks exactly like like give,make him look like that as soon
as you get dropped into the dcu.
But I truthfully think thattheir, his vision is and his
(01:21:25):
vision is understanding of whathe wants his batman to be is
very much comic booky.
So I think he does want it tobe a factor like somebody with
them and just I'm fearful forwhat it's gonna do and I think
that's important why they'recalling it the brave and the
bold and not well, they're gonnaend up calling it batman brave
and the bold.
But man, I'm just I wonder whatthis is gonna do to the batman.
(01:21:48):
Like the part two might be thelast batman movie we get which
would be a shame I agree thatthat leads to the very, very.
It should be a trilogy.
It should be a trilogy finished, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, so we covered
the war, we covered Lex Luthor,
we covered the Justice Gang.
I think we pretty much coveredthis whole movie.
Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Yeah, I really I had
this feeling and it was weird.
When the feeling came, itwasn't like at the end of the
movie, it wasn't.
There's just this frame.
It's when he beats Ultraman andit's in the end of the last
trailer where he's like floatingand like he does like that
reverse, that reverse float.
But like he's floating he'slooking down into like the abyss
and I'm like that's, that'sSuperman, like that's actually.
(01:22:28):
Like I was smiling in thetheater, like that.
I was like that's Superman,like they actually nailed it and
like my brain can only work inthe theater.
Like that, I was like that'ssuperman, like they actually
nailed it and like my brain canonly work in the board.
So I'm like, just I was likethat frame I don't know what
that like.
I felt like paul atreides, likemine, getting unlocked, like I
don't know what that frame likeunlocked, seeing aaron pierre as
green lantern with him, andthen like seeing you know
(01:22:51):
whoever they get to play theflash and like hopefully it's
like Adria Adjorna gets to playWonder Woman and like Brandon
Skliener playing Batman and likethis Justice League against,
like the Injustice League of LexLuthor and whoever they get to
play the Joker and you know allthese characters and like how
comic booky and unapologeticallycomic booky this movie is and
(01:23:13):
unapologetically comic book-ythis movie is.
Seeing that over and over.
Like I was thinking about itthe other day.
I was like I think what Jamesis going to do is he's only
going to direct the event moviesnow, like the only time he will
step back into the directorchair.
I think he's just going towrite.
Like he's going to write andstructure and advise and then
once the Justice League moviecomes, he's going to direct that
(01:23:36):
justice league movie.
I think he's gonna be like I'mjust I need to narratively weave
these little pieces and I don'tcare what he says.
I saw it in this movie.
I saw his groundwork.
He was very strategic about theground and you can tell by the
I watched the whole premiere theway they were talking about the
characters.
They were like well, I don'tknow yet and I was like that's a
very interesting way to put it,like I don't know where it's
going yet, I don't know where mycharacter's going yet, but I
(01:23:58):
got this trust in James.
I was like he's got somethingin his, he's got something up
his sleeve.
Yeah, absolutely, he's got thisevent thing, and I don't think
it's going to do somethinginteresting.
What do you want the team-upmovie to be?
I actually have in my mind whatI think the team-up movie
should be.
Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
So I guess it would
depend on a fucking Justice
League.
The first Justice League movieyou would have Superman, Wonder
Woman, Batman, Flash, GreenLantern, Hawkgirl, and then
that's it.
Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl,and then that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
I think that because
of this, and then you have to
inform yourself, much likeInfinity War was informed on
Black Panther.
I think Mr Terrific is going tobe a member of the Justice
League Because of how popularhe's about to become.
Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I think Brainiac
makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
For a Justice League
movie.
I think they're going to makesure Brainiac's the villain of
the second Superman movie.
I think that's going to be like, because we've never seen
Brainiac like true form Brainiacyet in live action.
That's very true, we've.
You know we got.
Obviously Supergirl didBrainiac a little bit, but we
haven't even Superman and Lois.
(01:25:13):
I'm very surprised they didn'ttouch Brainiac a little bit, but
we haven't even Superman andLois.
I'm very surprised they didn'ttouch.
Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Brainiac they said
they were going to.
That would have been a seasonfive, it was going to be
Darkseid and then theintroduction of Brainiac, I
think which yeah, I'm actuallyreally surprised they didn't
touch him.
Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
But again, I think
that whatever the that'll be the
lineup, and then I think theonly change you might make is
you might swap out mr terrific,and then you know what they
could do.
He could say I'm gonna run twoteams at the same time, I'm
gonna do the justice league andthen I'm gonna do the justice
society and mr terrific's gonnabe in the justice society that
(01:25:48):
makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
that makes a lot of
sense too, I mean, you know,
because I just don't think youwould touch a dark side or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
No, no, I think he's
smart about that.
I'm sorry he knows where hecame from too.
Don't do that in the firstteam-up movie.
You save that, that's dark side.
You save any sort of crisis forthe last movie.
I think that the perfectstoryline to pull from in the
first film, the first team-upfilm, you do, you do justice by
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Jim Kruger and Alex Ross.
You have this strategic planand what you can do is this is
the reintroduction of Lex Luthorback into the world fold, where
he gets all the villainstogether and he's like you know
what, if the world's not goingto take to me, then the villains
might take to me.
And he systematically tries totake out the Justice League.
Obviously, if you haven't readJustice by Jim Kruger, it's an
(01:26:39):
incredible book and I meanobviously Alex Ross' art propels
it into another stratosphere.
But basically the InjusticeLeague, kind of like they band
together and they strategicallytake out each member of the
Justice League, like they get.
Um, what do they do?
I think he gets.
He basically wonder woman getsinfected by centaur blood, by by
(01:27:03):
cheetah.
Like cheetah dips her fingersand and centaur blood and
obviously she's too fast, so sheinfects wonder woman, so wonder
woman's slowly dying.
Um, they trap green lantern onthe other side of the universe.
Sinestro traps Green Lantern onthe other side of the universe.
Black Manta takes Aquaman'sbaby and threatens to kill him.
So it's like each member of theJustice League is being taken
(01:27:25):
out one by one and theybasically I think something
happens to Batman.
I can't remember what happensto Batman in that book, but each
member of the Justice League islike.
I think that would be a perfectstarter.
You get villains against allthe heroes as well too, because
maybe you do Aquaman in thatlineup as well too.
I don't know if they don't wantto touch Aquaman for a little
bit.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
They've got to figure
that out.
They've also got to figure outand I mean to be honest, if
James Gunn, if this is the lookand feel do the freaking blonde
cheesy King of Atlantis, aquaman, but don't make him a joke
character.
Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
No, you're going to
do Jeff Johns' new 52 Aquaman
because he still has the look.
He still has the look of thecheesy Aquaman, but Jeff Johns'
Aquaman was like he was cool asheck.
He doesn't mess around.
No, he doesn't.
He was an issue.
Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
So I think you do
that like that the aquaman that
has one arm with a fish hook foran arm.
Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
No, but in justice
league unlimited, he had the one
, he had the one arm, like.
I wonder if they'll do it likeum.
Any actor you want to play?
Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
you want to play
aquaman specifically I don't
know, I don't know, I don't know, I'd have to think about an
Aquaman casting.
Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
You know who would
always wanted to play Aquaman
Alexander Skarsgård.
Oh yeah, I think he would be aphenomenal Aquaman.
I could see that.
Is he too old?
I think he's too old.
Now, what is he?
He's approaching 50 now.
I think he's getting up there alittle bit.
Wyatt Russell, wow, wyattRussell's a pull.
Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I don't know if he'd
do it.
No, because John Walker is kindof a big deal right now, yeah,
especially now, alexander.
Ludwig, I could see that, Icould absolutely see that.
Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Alexander Ludwig
would be fun.
Maybe we can make this anepisode where, like we, we now
that, like we do a post seeingsuperman, like our like dcu
build and now, knowing some moreprojects are confirmed, um,
some more actors are confirmed,like we can do another dcu like
build.
Sure, I think we should do itwithout robert pattinson, like
(01:29:30):
we should do true, like this isgoing to be the new, new
direction for everything.
I think think it would be a funepisode.
I'll tell you right now I thinkAdriana or Adria Jorna should
play Wonder Woman.
I think that might be one ofthe most layup lob castings that
you've ever had, especiallyafter seeing her in Andor as
well, too.
Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah, and she was
good in.
Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Hitman.
Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yeah, hitman, yeah,
she's great in that.
She was also in morbius.
Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
She was in morbius
she most definitely was in
morbius the best.
That's actually the best comicbook movie, the best movie she's
been in.
Yeah, what has she been in onemovie?
Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
morbius and or no,
don't do this, it's close oh,
it's not it's close, it's close,it's not that close um, I'm
really excited for lanterns.
Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
I think that show is
going to be absolutely dynamite
yeah, yeah, yeah, I did, yeah, Ithink.
So you want to talk aboutstealing an actor like before
the other franchise got to him,like they stole aaron pier.
The exact right time.
Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Well, wasn't he going
to be in Blade?
Yeah, he was going to be thevillain in Blade.
Damn Blade coming back to biteMarvel in the ass Much like a
vampire would.
Come on, man.
Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
After Sinners came
out.
Come on, man.
Did you see?
You saw, marhersh Ali was at apremiere the other day and he
was just like I'm waiting, likeI'm waiting.
What did he say?
You got to talk to them aboutthat.
I don't know what's going on.
I was like that should neverhappen.
Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I don't know what's
going on.
It's only been five years.
I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, they swiped him.
Yeah, so we're getting theIntern Show.
We're getting Supergirlfeaturing Jason Momoa as Lobo
Awesome, awesome, awesome,awesome.
Seeing her in this movie andknowing what he's going to do
(01:31:22):
with Lobo, it's going to bereally fun.
Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Oh, the two of them
with each other, yes, oh, yeah,
oh yeah, that's going to be alot of fun.
Oh, 100%, I can't wait to see.
And again, this is getting meexcited.
Like james, you're a liar,because he was just like I
wasn't thinking about otherproblems.
Yes, you were jerk, of course,no of course you have to.
Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Of course you were.
When you're making a universelike this, you have to be
thinking at least a little bitahead.
Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
The best thing he did
was make the decision to make
this universe lived in already,because now I'm like well, how
does this fit here?
Who knows who?
Already also they knew thatclark, that he was clark kent,
or at least guy the guy did.
Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
it's implied that he
told them, because lois says why
does he, why does he trusteverybody?
So I think it's implied that hejust told them at some point,
yeah, like while they wereworking together.
Probably right, because, like,probably, like the way he saw it
, they don't have secretidentities, like they don't wear
masks or anything like that,like they're just the Justice
Gang.
So he's like yeah, I'm Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, we're a team
now, and they were like well,
you're not on the team.
Guy said you're cut, you're notcool enough, you're cut from
the team.
So, yeah, I think it's justthat he told them.
Uh, I think, besides mrterrific, mr terrific's gonna
keep that glorious suit that hehas.
But a great suit.
I think the point might be fora hot girl specifically to be
like you don't have to wear the.
(01:32:44):
I think you know where.
I think she's gonna get that inpeacemaker.
She might get her like, likeher actual suit well, I mean the
other thing.
Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
I mean the other
thing to her kind of story is
where's Carter Hall?
Where's Hawkman?
Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
So we're going to
find that out, and I want to
know if they're going to do thereincarnation thing.
Reincarnation baby.
Come on, man.
You can't quote Jonathan Majorsanymore.
It's been forbidden.
Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah, yeah, super
curious about that.
Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Man, um yeah, yeah,
super curious about that man.
He's got me, he got me.
Yeah, I'm asking questionsabout things and want to know
they're gonna do a love storybetween john stort and and hawk
girl?
Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I heard that would
make sense carter hall's
somewhere, jerk, look out hawkman.
Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
It's vandal, savage,
oh no how many times have you
fought Vandal Savage 207?
Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
times.
Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
So many times?
How many times has he killedyou?
207 times.
Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
So many times you
guys suck.
Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Bro, is the
Washington Generals.
Are you guys ever going to beatthe Harlem Globetrotters?
Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Nope, the one time
they did beat them, green Arrow
and Flash helped Didn't count.
No, it actually didn't count.
Legends of Tomorrow that's fun.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Do you have any closingthoughts on the Superman movie?
Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
David Cornswet is
Superman.
He's not Chris Reevesreincarnated, he's just Superman
, Clark Kent.
Every casting director inHollywood right now is probably
on the phone like getting readyto call this guy and be like can
you please, please, please, bein our thing.
He's an incredible actor forall intents and purposes.
Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
He seems like a great
man.
He's got the.
He's got the thing that I feellike all great Superman actors
have had.
It's the thing that ChristopherReeve had.
It's the thing that, eventhough the movie wasn't that
great, I think Brandon Routh hadit.
Ernest.
Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Nist.
Tyler Hoechlin had it in spades.
Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Henry Cavill could
have had it, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
I think they were
inching at it heavily for him.
Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
I think he could have
had it.
He got killed in the secondmovie, he got killed in the
second.
It's not his fault.
But David Cornswet notnecessarily has it.
He just looks like Superman.
He looks, feels, embodiesSuperman, and I think that's the
thing that I took away fromthis movie.
I think this is as far as justunabashedly unafraid of what it
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is and what it wants to be.
It's right up there withSuperman 78 as far as a Superman
movie.
Is it a better technically mademovie than man of Steel?
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Unfortunately I
shouldn't say unfortunately, but
man of Steel is like.
The sequences in that movie puttogether are like.
The visual effects are good.
Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah, that movie
looks very good On a technical
level.
Man of Steel.
Technically it's up there.
I don't know if it'stechnically better than man of
Steel.
I think it's a much moreenjoyable movie than.
Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
Man of Steel oh, sure
, sure, sure.
You want to talk about theenjoyment of watching Superman
fly around, and it just feelslike Superman.
Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
In a way that man of
Steel has moments where you're
like, oh, there he is.
Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Like the first flight
in man of Steel.
Yeah, give me more of that.
Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Give me more of that.
Like there's moments in man ofSteel where you're like, oh yeah
, there he is.
But this movie he's Supermanall the time.
There's never a moment whereI'm like that doesn't really
quite feel like Superman.
Even the scene I know peoplebitched about him confronting
Lex Luthor about crypto scene.
They're like this is Supermanand I'm like, yeah, he's
standing up for a dog.
(01:36:24):
How much more Superman do youwant him to be?
Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I was going to
say have you never picked up a
comic before?
He's done stuff like that Also,Christopher.
Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Reeve's Superman does
that exact same bit.
Yes, he does.
Hackman probably plays it alittle bit better.
He plays it a little bit betterthan Nicholas Holt does.
You think?
So it's pretty good.
It's pretty good when Reeve'sSuperman breaks through the door
and Hackman's Luthor goes ohyeah, the door's open, come in,
(01:36:54):
but the what dog bit, that's apretty good.
That's the type of thing peoplegotta realize.
That scene is an homage to the78 Superman scene.
If you go back it's the samescene.
Superman breaks through thedoor, lex is unperturbed, he's
unbothered, and they kind ofhave this argument Where's the
(01:37:20):
dog?
Where's the dog?
Where's the dog, luther the dog.
So I know people, superman, wefinally meet.
Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
People bitched about
that scene, but like he still
feels like superman even in thatmoment, superman gets mad and
that the ending makes that likethe contextual nature of that
scene even better, because it'slike that's not.
He doesn't even really likecrypto like he just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
But and I also like,
I also like that that's not
their like.
That scene about crypto is nottheir last time that they face
each other.
Because again, that firstinitial moment when he confronts
lex, he's still not really surewho he is by the time he sees
lex again and they have thatkind of like idealistic duel
duel.
He knows who he is.
That's why he comes at Lex muchmore calmly, because he knows
(01:37:59):
he's doing the right thing andhe knows what's right and he can
articulate that in a way thathe wasn't able to earlier,
because he was upset.
He was upset on multiple fronts.
He was upset that Lex brokeinto his house.
He was upset that his dog gotkidnapped or his cousin's dog
got kidnapped.
(01:38:20):
I think he was more afraid ofSupergirl than he was of
anything.
Sure, sure, that's his oldercousin In hindsight and she's a
loose unit.
She is a loose unit.
You don't know what she's goingto do, no, so I think he was
more afraid of her than anything.
So I just think he feltunabashedly like Superman and I
(01:38:40):
think that's the best complimentthat I could give it and I
really enjoyed it and it's whatthe movie needed to be to kind
of.
I mean, we talked about,leading up to this movie, the
immense amount of pressure onthis movie to deliver, because
if this movie didn't deliver,that's it.
Oh, it's over.
Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
It's over for.
Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
DC as a movie-making
business.
Besides, you can probably getaway with another Batman movie,
and it would have probably justbeen the Batman part too.
Yeah, and that would be it.
But you're not getting any typeof Wonder Woman movie for a
while.
You're certainly not seeing theflash again.
After the last movie, you'renot seeing any of these other.
But now he did with this moviewhat what he did with guardians
(01:39:21):
of the galaxy, what he did withthe suicide squad, and he relied
on the titular character beingthe titular character.
So obviously people are goingto want to see Superman again.
But now he's got peoplewondering about Mr Terrific.
He's got people wondering aboutGreen Lantern.
He's got people wondering aboutSupergirl.
That's his gift as specificallya comic book movie director is
(01:39:44):
he finds ways to get people tocare about these characters that
usually don't get a lot ofshine.
Luckily I mean for him, luckilyhe was able to do it with the
entire Guardians of the Galaxy.
I think he was able to do itwith the Suicide Squad, but you
never, peacemaker, was the onlyone that you really needed to do
(01:40:04):
anything with.
I would have loved to seeBloodsport come back or whatever
.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Who says, he might
not?
Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
He might, but I don't
think they needed explicitly to
do anything with Ratcatcher orany of that other.
They all kind of got their ownshine in the movie.
But it was clear Peacemaker wassomeone that clearly was going
to be invested in.
Harley Quinn was alreadyestablished by that point, but
(01:40:31):
he just has this gift man.
He has this gift and he evensaid it leading know the
Superman movie itself.
He wasn't going to do itoriginally because he didn't
have it, he didn't have what hewanted, and then one day it just
clicked and you know that's.
I think that's the mark of areally gifted writer.
(01:40:53):
Right, you don't want to writesomething or create something if
you don't have a true idea forwhat you want it to be.
Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
I think Ryan Coogler
is really good at this.
Apparently, they were talking afew days ago.
Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, like,
especially, you know, do the Mr
Terrific movie.
Do it Like, especially likeRyan Coogler.
The reason his filmography isso versatile is because he's not
going to write something unlesshe truly believes in it.
He wasn't going to write BlackPanther 2 if he didn't have an
idea for it.
He wouldn't do Black Panther 3if he didn't have an idea for it
.
We didn't even know if he wasgoing to do Black Panther 3
(01:41:30):
until a few months ago.
By the grace of God, he Panther3 until a few months ago when
he and by the grace of God, he'sgot Denzel Washington in the
movie now, so, which I'm sure isa lifetime dream for him to be
able to work with Denzel.
So James Gunn is the same thinglike he wouldn't have done the
Superman movie if he didn't havean idea for it.
And seeing it, you see what theidea was.
And now it's like it's.
(01:41:51):
It's.
I saw.
Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
I forget who said it,
but I think someone said like
this is this could be dc's ironman that's saying something too,
and I want to reaffirm a pointthat I'd made a long time ago
where I said people don'trealize like that's superman,
like, yeah, that's what I don'tthink people really get into,
because you, you know, in ourbrains we've been so much of
(01:42:14):
like Iron man, captain America,thor, like those were not the
A-listers of Marvel.
Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
They were what they
had left.
Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Yes, they were what
they had left in the divorce.
Like that's Superman and likeand it's over that, it's over a
rights issue to the characters,anything like that.
Like in the grand scheme of theworld, the way the world's
structured.
Like if you go to a country andyou hold up a Superman symbol,
they're gonna know who that is.
Like that's the point.
And like to the point about itbeing the Iron man.
Like the truthful nature of thisis the fact that this movie
(01:42:43):
works and the movie works as anunapologetic comic book movie is
way more important than thisjust being a great movie Like he
might've, just like Like hemight have, just like I'm not
talking like.
We'll see If this movie makes abillion dollars.
I'm going to reaffirm thispoint, but it's not just about
this movie.
If this movie hits a billion.
(01:43:16):
And like they make the Braveand the Bold, they make a new
Wonder Woman movie.
Like they get to the JusticeLeague.
Like he saved that.
Like he didn't just he didn'tsave just the dcu, he did, he
saved warner brothers as a wholebecause they were in, they were
in a bad spot.
Like I know that probably thetop exec said like you fail,
like not only are you not goingto make more movies like this?
Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
you might not make
movies ever again yeah, and I
mean it goes to the point likewarner brothers was so, and I
mean it goes to the point likeWarner Brothers was so down bad
that they were looking to theRock to save DC.
Just based on his, his aura,basically like his presence and
his, his incredible gift formarketing and his passion for
(01:43:47):
business.
Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
That doesn't equate
to what the true power of movies
are, though.
No, and I think that's whatJames Gunn has.
I think that's what David.
Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Cornswet has.
It's to the Rock's credit thathe was able to get a movie like
Black Adam as much eyes as itgot.
That was sheer, just him, ohsure.
It wasn't because people werereally looking forward to the
movie.
No, it was literally the Rock.
He bought out freaking TimesSquare for a black adam promo.
Like that guy, you can say whatyou want about him, but
(01:44:17):
promotionally, like he's one ofthe most marketable movie stars
in the world, right.
And like black adam got madeand got received the way it did
and made as much money as it did, solely because of him you
think they'll bring him back asBlack Adam in that universe?
Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
No, I think his pride
is too heavy.
You know this is going to be afunny statement.
I think John Cena, being thewrestler that turned actor in
that universe, is going toprevent him from going and doing
that.
Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
I would not be
surprised if he finds Dave
Bautista in this universe.
Oh, 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
I think, dave
Bautista, what you could do for
a Batman movie if you want toset it, if they're going to do
the Brave and the Bold, youcould obviously.
Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
I mean the Hugo
Strange stuff is becoming
overwhelming with Bautista Wellyou saw him in Blade Runner 2049
, right?
Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Who did he look
exactly like in that movie?
Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Yeah, Because he's, I
know, like 15, 20 years ago
people would be like Bane, buthe's kind of aged himself out of
the hulking brute character andnow he's like an actor.
So I feel like he could playlike a psychological type Hugo,
strange type character, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
I'm specifically
thinking about Blade Runner 2049
, the doctor that he played inthat movie, I think, but also
could get his hands dirty alittle bit.
Yeah, I'd really like to seethat.
I wonder again, I'm going to goon the half that we're going to
do a you know a different typeof.
We're going to do a DCU Batman.
We're going to do Brave and theBold, we're going to cast an
actor as Robin or as DamianWayne, all the all the nine,
(01:45:51):
right.
Going off that logic, I feellike Hugo Strange would be fun.
I mean, we can cap it off Likewhat other?
Any.
Give me a storyline orcharacters that you want to see
in the DCU, because after seeingthis movie, like again, I just
saw an incredible Superman movie, but like knowing what we know
(01:46:11):
about, like what happened, likethis is different than the
feeling in 2008 for Iron man,cause that was like, wow, marvel
just got one, and then, likethey had a Nick Fury tease at
the end.
Like this is more important,like this is like this is
different.
It's not more important, I'dsay, but it's a different type
of more important.
Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
So I mean it's, it's
they.
Yeah, this movie did for WarnerBrothers, I think, or is doing
for Warner Brothers what Ironman did for Marvel as a company.
Right, it's the company aspect,I think, is the more important
thing.
You know, I mean Iron man did awhole lot of.
I mean Iron Man's probably themost consequential comic book
movie of the 2000s.
Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Well, it informed
literally the trajectory of of
modern media.
Yeah, if you like, if I don'teven care that that's a
hyperbolic statement.
Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
I think that's a true
statement that iron man
literally changed the popculture movie landscape of the
world yeah, iron man might bethe most consequential movie of
the 2000s in terms of what itdid, um, but in terms of like
studio wise, like superman'sdoing could be saving warner
brothers as a whole andreinvigorating.
And you know, I think aboutthis like.
(01:47:18):
I think about it like prowrestling, in the sense that,
like marvel, I feel like hasgotten a little bit complacent
because not that dc is a directcompetitor, but thinking about
when marvel operated best waswhen the Snyder stuff was kind
of around in the zeitgeist.
Oh, I want to even double downon that point.
Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
And I remember 2016,
the two movies that were coming,
and I remember, I will neverforget I was a senior in high
school.
Me and my friends went to gosee Batman vs Superman on the
day it came out, and I'll neverforget it because we were like,
wow, dc's about to just take outmarvel.
Like obviously, like bothtrailers had been out at the
(01:48:00):
same time.
We're like, look at this graylooking marvel trailer, they
have no sauce left, they have noflavor left.
And then like, look at the dcu,we got batman, superman, wonder
woman.
They look cool, they're actingcool.
And you're like then, like nowI'm older, and like, looking
back on it, I was like it'slacking substance, like there
was substance that was lacked.
Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
But then you look
back at civil war and you're
like the reason civil war worksis the groundwork they had built
for eight years up until thatpoint and, to be honest, like no
one's ever gonna admit this,but I think the reason they
beefed up civil war the way theydid to make it a quasi-Avengers
movie, wasn't in response toBatman and Superman.
So I mean, if this Supermanmovie even pushes Marvel a
(01:48:40):
little bit, I think that's a winfor everybody.
Yes, and I think, honestly, thetiming worked out the way it
did, but I think Fantastic Fouris already kind of a response to
Superman Right In a lot of ways, because I think Kevin Feige
and James Gunn are very goodfriends.
Kevin Feige knows the talentthat James Gunn is, so him
(01:49:01):
knowing that James Gunn wasgoing to make a Superman movie,
kevin Feige was probably like,hey, man, fantastic Four is
going to have to be stellar andit's going to have to be
different than the stuff we'vedone in the last 5-10 years.
Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
And again we talked
about the split of when we knew
it was the thunderbolts.
The thunderbolt it was betweencaptain america and thunderbolts
.
I think that's when, um, bobeiger stepped back into like you
can see a definitive split.
You can see it a little bit inthe finished product of
ironheart 2 of like it feelslike two different.
Like you look back at thor,love and thunder.
You look at ant-Man,quantumania and you're like,
look at the quality of thosemovies and you're like this just
doesn't add up to the budgetsthat these movies are producing.
(01:49:40):
Then you look at theThunderbolts.
You look at the practicality.
You look at Fantastic Four.
They're using miniatures.
Um, they have this incrediblecast that they put together like
if, and then you bring back theRussos, you bring back Robert
Downey Jr for Doomsday.
I think James Gunn wasunderstanding.
I also like to your point.
I think Kevin Feige also waslike hey, man, we need to
(01:50:01):
respond with a heater, becauseif James gets and you know how I
felt it was when we walked intothe screening and everybody had
a Superman shirt on yeah, theaura in the place was off the
charts.
Yeah, there's a guy behind usthat was just saying I love that
(01:50:23):
that's got to make Kevin Feigea little like we need something.
Because, again to my point thatI loved making that Superman.
That is the most famoussuperhero to ever grace this
planet.
And if they can get that oneright, who's to say they can't
get the Wonder Woman movie right?
Then the Batman movie right,then the Justice League movie
right, and, who knows, in 10years we might be the ones that
(01:50:44):
they're like.
Look at Marvel doing all thiscrap.
At least we have the DCU tosave us.
Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, as far as other thingsthat I'd want to see, I really
want to see the Flash in thistype of style, this type of
universe imagine the cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
You know who would be
great at a Flash?
But I never think he would doit.
I think Edgar Wright would makean absolutely incredible Flash
movie.
I just think he would never,ever, ever do a comic book movie
, especially after the Ant-Manthing Because they didn't let
him make his Ant-Man movie, thathe wanted to make.
Any storyline specifically youwant to see?
Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Uh man, I'm trying to
think I would want to see.
I don't want to jump back up toBatman Tree, but I would want
to see a properly comic book-ytype.
I would want to see anArkham-style Batman movie when
he's just going up againstwhoever.
Don't make it too grounded, lethim do some comic book-y shit
(01:51:46):
you can kind of do a comicbook-y version of Raid 2.
Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
You know the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Raid.
Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
I think I talked
about this like you trap batman
in arkham, like in art, like thegreater arkham area for like,
for like two hours, two and ahalf hours, and he has to
literally fight his way out, Ithink would be an absolutely
insane movie.
Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Yeah, like.
Give him like and give him allthe stuff.
Give him all the tools, givehim all the gadgets.
Let batman do some Batman shit.
Obviously, the patents andstuff is tremendous.
He does do some Batman shit.
He's got the camera eye techstuff.
He's got the.
Give him the electric gloves.
(01:52:29):
Let him be grappling around,zipping around gargoyles and
stuff.
We need to see a good comicbook-y Batman, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Okay, character that
I think I need to see, I can
finally hold on my Mr Miracle.
I still, in my heart of hearts,low-key wish it was a
live-action show, because I wantto see them truthfully adapt
the comic and I always had thisdream that I feel like I don't
(01:53:01):
know.
It's just after watching the TVshow Barry that I feel like
Bill Hader understands theserendipity and the satire of
what that comic was, and then,like I said, I think Dylan
O'Brien would be the absolutelymost perfect Mr Miracle.
You can ask for, um, that beingsaid, a character I think, um,
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Martian Manhunter.
I was going to say MartianManhunter would be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Um, who's Mr Milchak
from?
Um, from Severance, who wasjust the greatest character ever
in mission impossible?
Oh, um, I always forget hisname.
Um, I think he would be theabsolutely perfect mr, or, uh,
he would be the perfect martianmanhunter.
Um, he would be phenomenal.
Uh, tramell tillman, yeah,tramell tillman would be the
(01:53:47):
best martian manhunter.
He'd be pretty great,especially in this universe,
like, again, another actor thatI think the studios are probably
on the phone about, like makingsure they get them in their
movies, like, I think he'd beperfect.
So, um, I think him as MartianManhunter, I think for
storylines, for something thatJames Gunn can weave, especially
with my most anticipatedproject for the DCU post
(01:54:07):
Superman as of right.
The second is lanterns.
I think it's blackest night andhis lanterns, I think it's
Blackest Night.
I think, in a way, thisuniverse is already lived in.
It seems like he has a lot ofstake in this lantern show, I
think you might be able to makethe first event movie Blackest
Night and kind of like spin it.
(01:54:28):
You know how a lot of elementsof Thor's mythology dipped a lot
into the Avengers movie.
You could probably spin thatwhere obviously Hal Jordan and
Jon Stewart wouldn't be the maincharacters.
It would have to be Supermanand Batman whoever you have
playing them and Wonder Woman.
You could spin it maybe wheretheir lore kind of takes the
(01:54:50):
precedence as well too.
I think Blackest Night would bethat'd be cool and again to my
point if you let james gunn,james gunn can get back to some
of his horror as well too.
Doing blackest night, I thinkwould be fun.
He can do all his gore and allhis like, all his fun stuff in
that as well, too sure.
I mean, that's a big budgetzombie movie, if you want to
(01:55:10):
call it sure, yeah, everybody'szombies, everybody's zombies,
mm-hmm yeah.
We'll have to meditate on thisa little bit deeper.
Yeah, I think a DCU update aspost-Superman DCU episode is due
.
Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Ten minutes on
Ironheart.
Yeah, yeah, I mean up top.
Well, the last three episodes,I guess, because we kind of
talked about the first three.
Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Right, I mean up top
the or the last three episodes,
I guess, because we kind oftalked about the first three.
Right, I mean up top.
The production value on thisshow is just amazing.
Like they use every penny onthis show.
You can see it.
That suit is amazing.
The visual effects are finished.
I loved it.
They look so good.
Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Makes me
retroactively angry that they
did the nanotech stuff with Ironman in the later Marvel movies.
Yeah, it reminded me a lot ofIron.
Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Man 1.
Or he gets in the suit, he getsout of the suit.
I like it.
I like it so much.
Dominique Thorne is justphenomenal as Riri Williams, and
we talked about her arc.
Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
That's good man.
I love that.
She's an imperfect character.
And who makes?
Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
questionable choices.
We need more of that.
We need more, especially in ourheroes See, I'm of two accords,
because obviously we need more.
We need more of that and weneed more Like we especially in,
like our heroes, like we need alittle like, see, I'm of two
accords because, like, obviouslywe just saw Superman and I'm
like a character that's justgood to be good, like, but
that's Superman, that's ClarkKent, of course he's good to be
good, like I like the fact thatyou might get an Ironheart.
(01:56:29):
That that's like she's going tomake a bit of more, like she'll
save people and she's doing itfor the right reason, but she's
also young.
She's also going about it thewrong way and I mean we can just
get the spoiler warning rightout of the way when the devil
comes knocking on the doorstep.
I don't care what most of yousaid.
Some people are going to listenand some people are going to
(01:56:49):
take the deal.
And they did it.
Sbc the deal and they did it.
Sbc man.
Sbc came in asha, baron cohen Iloved it.
What a way to introduce him aswell, too.
And like, that also opens up awhole new can of worms where,
like, who else did he get to whoelse in the mv did he get to
and make deals with?
Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
yeah, I think I
thought he came in, just came in
.
You would tell that theydefinitely studied a lot of tom
ellis and lucifer to kind ofround out, I mean right down to
like him staring.
Have you ever seen lucifer like?
He has a bit where he likestares into your eyes and he's
like, tell me what you, tell meyour deepest desires.
Like buffisto does the samething to um, he does it to
(01:57:33):
parker robbins and he does it toriri, where he does that to
them um, but I thought he wasgreat, like I'm excited to see
more of him.
Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
He had like this
trust to him where he's like you
know what you?
Can you listen?
I'm just here to help, I justneed something from you, but you
don't even a little person likethe spoon.
Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
When he does the
spoon flip and you see his true
Mephisto form and the reflectionof the spoon.
I thought it was pretty cool.
Yeah, I can't believe they didit.
I know After all these years.
Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
WandaVision eat your
heart out.
I can't believe they did it.
Yeah, Insane.
And they did it in theIronheart show to help that show
as well.
Too Sure To get more viewers onthat show, get more looks.
Because I saw all the YouTubersgoing on like reacting to
episode six of Ironheart.
They kind of structured it thesame way they did Agatha where,
(01:58:22):
like the episode five was likethe show's ending and then
episode six was like thecharacter's actual catharsis,
which I thought was prettyinteresting.
They kept Parker.
Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Robbins around.
Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Yeah.
Which I appreciate, yeah, whichI appreciate, yeah, the
character they have playing,Zelma as well too, or the actor
they have playing Zelma.
I think they're going to goforward with that Strange
Academy show.
We got to really dip into thismagic side of the MCU because,
like to your point.
Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
You have been Yep.
It's the most consistent stuffthat they have Is the mystical
side.
Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
And what this does is
recontextualizes it too,
because, like, it's also aboutlike Now it's so normal, like we
talked about Superman beinglived in Like the MCU, we
actually watched it be lived inIn the last.
How many years In the last?
What 17 years, sheesh.
Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
The MCU is almost old
enough to drink.
Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Are they doing that
on purpose?
What 17 years?
Yeah, sheesh, sheesh.
The MCU is almost old enough todrink.
Yeah, are they doing that onpurpose?
So that way, seeker Wars is 20years after Iron man came out.
I guess I think they're waitingfor a 20-year anniversary.
Wow, 20 years.
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
I saw Iron man 1 when
I was 9.
There's so many, this opens thedoor for so many.
It opens the door, obviously,for C'thun to show up at some
point, do you?
Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Do you make what you
could plausibly do, especially
on the road to Secret Wars?
I think, doctor Strange, you'vegot to which you could
plausibly do, especially on theroad to to secret wars.
Um, I think, dr Strange, like,you got to pull on that thread
as much as you can, because thatcharacter is going to be in
four I mean, multiverse ofmadness is probably the most
informative going into wars.
Um, so do you just say, hey, wegot Sasha Baron Cohen locked
(02:00:10):
down, he's on our side.
Do we just do doctor strangethree?
You already have, you also have, um, you have charlie's throne
as well too.
Like, yeah, do you just dodoctor strange three, mephisto,
like them versus mephisto, andbut you have the backdrop of the
multiverse collapsing yeah, andmaybe mephistoisto like offers
(02:00:33):
strange a deal yeah, oh, youknow what you can do, instead of
it being I forget from the timeruns out Hickman comics, who
offers strange bargains.
For what if Mephisto's like I'mthe one that can give you
ultimate power to you?
Know, I can make, I can helpyou fix the universe, because we
don't know what he can do?
No, I mean, it seems like he's.
Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
He can do anything.
Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
He's pretty
all-powerful, he can bring
people back from the dead.
Yeah, so, man, I mean, becauseisn't there a movie on the slate
that nobody knows what it isand it's supposed to come out
before Secret Wars?
Does I think so?
Yeah, do you just do DoctorStrange 3, you, you make Sachin
Berard co-own the villain andyou say, like I'm about to help
you save the multiverse.
Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
There was a.
Obviously, the premise of theshow was combining tech and
magic, but there was an alarmingamount of Doctor Strange-isms.
Down to the Zelma character,like a Zelma character who is
very intertwined, To the pointwhere this feels like it's going
to intertwine, Like the nexttime we see Riri Williams might
be in Doctor Strange 3.
Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Yeah, yeah, we also
need a season two of that show.
I don't know if we're going toget it?
Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
I hope we do.
I hope we do too, but I don'tknow if we're going to get it.
Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
I think because they
switched to the Marvel
television.
Thinking, I think we will.
Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
I hope so.
I just don't know.
I just you know.
Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Right man, right man
man.
When I saw man Just do DrStrange Call it.
Time runs out Like CharlizeTheron, benedict Cumberbatch
versus Sacha Baron Cohen.
Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
Yeah, again, like
maybe you see Riri again, like
he realizes she messed up, shegoes to Zelma.
Like I need you to bring me toDr Strange Because he can.
Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
He's got to know that
there's a demon running around
and then Dr Strange is likethere's nota demon running
around.
It's the demon that's runningaround.
I'm not helping any moreteenagers.
No, I'm sick of it, she's like,but I'm 22.
Fair, fair.
Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
I'm in, but no man, I
really enjoyed the way that
show ended.
I liked that.
I liked it in a sick way.
I liked that she took the deal.
Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Yeah, I think it just
makes it.
She made a very human decision.
Yes, she did.
It's the complexities.
It's the complexities of such asimple one.
Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Because she was
prepared to let her go.
She was prepared to let Nataliego until she lost her again
through the AI getting erasedand she could not let her go
again.
She couldn't let her go twice.
Right, and Mephisto was able tobring her back.
Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
I wonder where this
goes.
I hope they just do a seasontwo.
I just wonder what the approachis going to be.
But yeah, maybe it is a DoctorStrange thing and it's a good
contention for Doctor Strange toget the tech part of it as well
too.
Liked it.
Liked Ironheart quite a bitAlden Einreich as Zeke Stane.
He got the comic lightning nanoinfusion thingies.
Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
I liked it, I liked
him.
I think he's good.
I think he's a good actor.
Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
You heard he was
supposed to the original plan
for Captain America 4 was thathe was supposed to be the leader
of the servant society yeah,they could still weave him into
that stuff, they could, maybehe's the, maybe he's the one
that in like he takes theservant society and he like
implants them with like actualpower.
Yeah, and then they're like thestart, of captain, hopefully we
get another sam wilson Americamovie, but maybe the start of
(02:03:54):
that one's like now the servicesociety is back, but we're a
problem now.
Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Yeah, I like that
show a lot, man.
I like the weird crew, I likethe Hoods crew, I liked all
those like they all had, likethey're all weird kind of tics
and gimmicks, the White Castlesequence was awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
I thought that was
cool.
I really liked that.
And gimmicks the White Castlesequence was awesome.
I really liked that.
I thought that was cool.
I like that.
Like you know, this issomething stupid, but like I
like that Riri can fight alittle bit, like just a slight
bit, it's like when Tony fightsit's because she's smart, like
she's just an intrinsicallysmart human being, so like.
But like I don't know why I tookit this way.
I feel like we so forward inthat world where the most common
(02:04:33):
of people can fight a littlebit, because everybody is always
fighting in that universe.
Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
no, I really liked it.
I want to see more for thatcharacter and obviously we're
going to we're almost certainlygoing to see more Mephisto
regardless.
Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
Oh yeah, I wouldn't
even be surprised if Mephisto
finds his way.
Yeah, I wouldn't even besurprised if Mephisto finds his
way into Secret.
Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Wars.
Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
It's not the fact
that it's Mephisto, I think it's
the fact that it's Sacha BaronCohen even boosts that even more
.
The chances of they know thatwe got this off in an Ironheart
and we saw the reaction to that.
We put him in a movie as themain villain.
Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
Totally, totally
agreed.
That's going to do it for usthis week.
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Next week is the week beforeFantastic Four.
Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
We have two options
we can do a post-Superman
episode or we can do apre-Fantastic Four episode, Just
because we've never touched it.
Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
I kind of want to
talk about the Fantastic Four.
Maybe we talk about the movies,yeah, and kind of just not just
the movies but just the.
I mean the movies but also justthe history of that group on
screen and how we never reallythought that this movie that's
coming out would ever happen nono, um, because it took a lot to
(02:06:06):
wrestle these characters awayfrom fox, yeah, um.
So I kind of want to revisitthose first two fantastic four
movies.
Talk about them, talk about theimpact that they had, talk
about how they're low-key, kindof good.
Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
I think if you're
using the mentality of the
product of their time, it's thebest.
Like they're very, they're verylike fun and dumb and I really
appreciate that.
I also think that Yohan Griffinis the perfect Mr Fantastic.
I think he is phenomenal as MrFantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
I think they're all
phenomenal in their own way,
besides Jessica Alba.
Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Yeah, I hate to touch
on that.
She is.
I don't think it's her fault.
Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
No, no no, not at all
.
I don't, and we'll talk aboutthis probably more next week,
but I think they, Fox, did notunderstand the character of Sue
Storm and they just wanted a hotwoman.
Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Yeah, they wanted a
supermodel to be, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
And she's just there
to look good.
Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
Yeah, they do the
nude bit over and over again.
Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
People are constantly
commenting on her looks, so I
just don't think the studioreally cared for the character
of Sue Storm.
Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
No, no, which is
super unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
Yeah, so that's a
pretty big stamp against those
movies, michael Chiklis is the.
Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
He is Ben Grimm.
He is the rock of that team.
Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
He truthfully is he
is the most Ben Grimm looking
human I think I've ever seen.
Yeah.
And then this is Chris Evans inhis best early 2000s dickish
glory that he was very wellknown for at the time, where he
was just an arrogant prick inevery movie that he was in.
And it's Chris Evans at hispeak powers before he becomes
(02:07:51):
Captain.
Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
America.
It's so crazy that hetransitioned into Steve Rogers
after that.
It is nuts Three years withinitself as well, too.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it's insane that movieFantastic Four Rises of the
Silver Surfer before Iron mandid Same thing with Spider-Man 3
.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
And then obviously
we'll have to dedicate a lot of
time to Cloud galactus why, wedon't know.
Well, we're gonna talk about itum next week when we talk about
the weird and interestinghistory of the fantastic four on
film.
Um, leading up to, obviously,marvel's Fantastic Four the
(02:08:36):
first steps.
So that's going to do it forthis week.
Really enjoyed Superman.
Go see it Be.
Just like a good fun time,great for all ages.
I could definitely see thisbeing a kid's first introduction
into superhero movies, but ZackSnyder made an adult version of
.
Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Superman being like a
kid's first introduction into
superhero movies.
But Zack Snyder made an adultversion of Superman and I was
like when did you fall in lovewith Superman?
When I was a kid?
Oh, whoop.
Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
So yeah, that's what
I think.
So for me from the, I gotta bereal careful here.
Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
Yo, you don't have to
this time.
Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Oh yeah, do you want
to be Mr Terrific?
I do Cool.
Is he cool?
I'm the god dang, mr.
Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
Terrific.
And he was Yo, he was so cool,he was so cool.
Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
RIP Curtis Holt.
You're no longer, mr Terrific.
Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
I'm the god damn, mr.
Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Terrific.
Yo Yo, he was the best part ofthat movie.
Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
I'm not messing
around, I'm doing real important
stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:09:39):
Hey, quit, messing
around man.
Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
He was great.
Yeah, the Mr Terrific of thepodcast, fair play, cool suit.
Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
Cool suit.
I like it.
He's gonna keep that suit and Ithink the two of them died.
Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
Looks like they
ripped him right out of the Al
Jarreau drawing Dude it's insane.
Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Now, why in Arrow did
they give him cornrows, but he
had his afro going into missions, but then he had the time to
put his hair like that.
Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
I don't know.
I don't know why they did a lotwith that character that they
did in Arrow.
To be honest, he's definitelynot as cool as he is in this.
Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, Not even close man.
Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
I know he explained
why he had the fair play jacket
in Arrow, but I can't, for thelife of me, remember what he
said.
Speaker 1 (02:10:27):
It's the freaking
Wait.
It's different right.
It's different from the I don'tknow man.
Whatever, I'm on a DC kick now.
I might just.
I was watching the Flash theother day.
I might just start.
Come on man, the movie no.
Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
Oh, okay, good.
Speaker 1 (02:10:40):
I was watching the TV
show.
Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
There's never a
reason to go back to that movie,
ever.
No, it's bad, bad movie.
Alright, guys, we'll see younext week for Fantastic Four
preview stuffs.
Until then, goodbye Peace.