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I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with Courtand Court from Superman we're
launching right into theFantastic Four.
Yep, it's that time it's July.

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We knew this was coming.
You knew this was coming, pete.
Yeah, we did, where Superman Imean Jurassic World Rebirth kind
of kicked it off and thenSuperman kind of took it and is
running with it and now we'regoing right into the Fantastic
Four.
In a week this movie is finallycoming out, fantastic Four
First Steps, directed by MattShackman.

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Obviously, it's the firstFantastic Four movie under the
Marvel Studios banner.
A lot of you know, a lot hasbeen said about how this movie,
you know, kind of paired withThunderbolts, is kind of like a
new era, I guess, for Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Sure sure, it seems like the era in which quality
matters, which, you know, Inever thought a conversation
like that was going to be had.
But I'm overtly excited forthis movie.
We have been since thebeginning, since it was
announced.
Obviously, we were very keen tosee what an MCU Fantastic Four
would look like.
I think we kind of weretheorizing from the beginning.

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Obviously they wouldn't be inthe main universe, which is fine
and I think it's going to.
You know, obviously,post-secret Wars, I think
they'll be in the main 616 alongwith the X-Men.
But I think the true nature ofmy excitement for this film was,
I think it kind of got doubledpost-casting.
Obviously, we talked aboutVanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, we
talked about Evan Moss Brockrockas the Thing, two incredibly

(02:03):
inspired castings, and even, youknow, joseph Quinn and Pedro
Pascal, which some people were,you know, iffy on.
But post, you know the firsttrailer, I think everything is
turned around.
I think people are on board.
They understand, you know howimportant this film is to Marvel
right now.
Like they, they need this one,they need it.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, and notwithstanding the castings of
Julia Garner and Ralph Innesonas well, notwithstanding the
castings of Julia Garner andRalph Inneson as well, um seems
like in the last you know, whichI'm, I'm happy happy to see, by
the way um, given when JuliaGarner was first cast, people
were like not a woman, silversurfer, right, um, but it feels
like she's really kind ofendeared herself to the, to

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movie going public.
In these last you know, we'veseen a lot, not really a lot of
her, but more like the same clipwhere people are like, oh,
she's, she's cool, she's, she's,yeah, she's bringing, she's
bringing something to this, yeah, and then, obviously, we have
not yet heard the voice of Ralph, innocent as Galactus, but
incredible restraint from thestudio to most times.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
You know, the studio I mean I say that as if they
didn't have franklin richards bethe main marketing piece for
the back half of this.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
But yeah, um, which is interesting.
So I'm curious, because theredoes seem to be.
You know, it seems likegalactus.
Obviously you get ralph einesenfor the voice, um, among many
other things, ralph Innocent isgreat, but there does seem to be
, at least in this last clipthey released a dialogue between

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Galactus and the Fantastic Four, which I'm very keen to see, to
be honest, how that even plays.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm super looking forward tothis movie.
I hope it performs financially,I hope it performs critically
and, you know, for audiences aswell too.
It's got a lot going for it aswell too.
And this is the last moviebefore Doomsday, which is insane
to even think about.
That this is we're not going toget a Marvel movie for a year
and a half.
Yeah, I guess so, and that'seven barring, furthermore, that

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Doomsday doesn't get delayedeven further.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Right, yeah, yeah, that's also crazy to consider.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
You Right.
Yeah, that's also crazy toconsider.
You don't think they could?
Oh, brand New Day.
Excuse me, spider-man, theymoved it, so Brand New Day comes
out in between, so it'll bethis.
That's a good three-movie spinright there.
This to Spider-Man, to Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, it's a good run .
So, in the spirit of FantasticFour coming out, we thought we
would look at the tumultuoushistory of the Fantastic Four on
film, spearheaded predominantlyby the handling over at 20th
Century Fox when they had therights.
We don't really have any newsthis week to talk about.
So we did get some Emmynominations came out.

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The Penguin and Severance arekind of leading the charge.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yep, pedro Pascal, in limited time, got nominated,
but Diego Luna, who was the leadof that show, did not get
nominated.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
That was a big call out, a little confusing there.
Forrest Whitaker did getnominated for.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Brandor, which I thought was interesting out of
all the no, it's the best one.
It's the best nomination fromthem Interestingly.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
No love for Isabella Merced, no love for Isabella
Merced.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, I was actually very surprised.
I thought she was phenomenal,and not only myself, but many
other people thought she wasphenomenal, as Dia.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, so that was.
That was surprising.
Um, I'm I'm hopeful that Andorgets some love in this.
I don't know if it will.
Um, due to the kind of stigmaaround science fiction when it
comes to these awards, yeah, um,and the Emmys and the Oscars.
When it comes to these awards,yeah, um, and the emmys and the
oscars, but, um, I think and orkind of really captivated not

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just star wars audiences, notjust, you know, science fiction
audiences, but, I think, and orreally captured general
audiences with its.
You know the um, you know the,the subject matter, um, the real
life parallels and thenobviously the, the incredibly
high production value, um, outof that show, yeah, and or
doesn't even seem real sometimes, and you know it doesn't even
seem correct in the star warsuniverse as we have it right now

(05:52):
.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
But that's the beauty of star wars is how broad it is
as well too, and I it's justamazing to understand that shows
like that can confide in thesame universe.
So you can get a show like themandorian, you can get a show
like Andor, you can get a showlike Skeleton Crew three tonally
completely different shows butstill confided in the same Star
Wars universe.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, so I think that's we'll see.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So the Fantastic Four in film.
What a tumultuous history.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, and I mean it all goes back to this deal that
Marvel made, you know, in the80s and the 90s, with most of
their properties that they couldnot function with.
So they had to sell the rightsto many of their characters.
So the Fantastic Four ended upin the hands of Bernd Eichner

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and was sold to him for a paltry$250,000 at the time.
And basically what happened wasthis starts the run of
Fantastic Four movies wherebasically whoever ends up with
the rights to the Fantastic Fourit started with Bernd Eichner,
it ended up with Fox.
You know there was a proviso inthe, in the deals that hey, you

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have x amount of time to dosomething with with these with
this license that we've givenyou.
So um, eichner taps rogercorman who to in 1992 to make a
fantastic four film, um, to kindof honor that commitment, right
, um?
And you know, by all, by allaccounts, this was a sham a sham

(07:30):
it was a facade it was, which Ithink is the funniest version
of this.
Yeah, um, they spend a milliondollars on this movie.
Um, they shoot for 20, I think,21 or 25 days or something like
that.
Um, they do the filming.
They don't even in-houseproduce the score.

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Um, that was all done by the,by the artist.
Yeah, um, for like six thousanddollars or something like that.
Um, and then this movie nevergets released.
There's a trailer?
Yes, there is.
There is various promotion.
There's never any type of redcarpet event.
No, explicitly there was, therewas.

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The actors were told not toattend any type of premiere or
red carpet events.
Any promotion that the actorswere to do for the movie was on
their own dime, whether it'sgoing to conventions or anything
like that.
And, yeah, this movie nevergets released.
Um, it just, it just goes away.
Yeah, um, crazy story behindthat first, that first 1994

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movie.
Right, the film industry isinsane.
I know it's nuts.
Um, bootleg footage has madeits way onto the internet over
time.
Um, but for all intents andpurposes, this film has been
forever buried um, by by allparties involved.
Um, just as a means of notlosing the rights to Fantastic

(08:56):
Four.
Um, which is, which is wild Um.
And then 20th Century Fox teamsup with with, with Iger, and 10
years pretty much 10 yearslater we get the the fantastic
four that pretty much everyoneknows Right Um, 2005 fantastic
four film um, directed by Timstory of barbershop fame Yep Um,

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and obviously starring YohanGriffith, jethic Alba, chris
Evans, michael Chiklis and thelate Julian McMahon.
Um, so I guess we could juststart with this 2005 movie.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, I mean you know , I love when we kind of uh, you
know, we look back in historyand look back at these films,
because it's always.
It's funny how many of thesesuperhero movies are like
ingrained childhood, childhoodmemories for me.
Um, the fantastic four movieswere.
So I was like at that time Iwas obsessed with this fantastic
four to like both these movies.

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I love them so much.
I think I had to have been.
I was probably seven, six,seven when this movie came out,
um, and and then obviously, 2007, I think I was, I was eight
when that, when the second onecame out, um, so I was just, I
was so in love with these movies, um, I just remember, I

(10:13):
remember renting it and watchingit for the first time and I
kind of fell in love with whothe fantastic four were.
And then, obviously, as I got alittle bit older, you know,
youtube started to get biggerpeople.
You know these bigger channelsare starting to talk comic books
.
Before I can purchase them withmy own hard-earned kid money, I
was diving into the FantasticFour lore.
But that was my introduction tothe Fantastic Four.

(10:34):
And just talking performancesfirst, I love Yohan Griffin as
Mr Fantastic.
I think he's quite a good ReedRichards, I don't know any other
way to kind of surmise him.
I think he, he, he's like heteeters this line in between
like gratingly annoying scienceyou know science nerd, like I
think he gets the nerd piecedown pretty well but then also

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like he's heroic.
I think that's something thatalso is accentuated.
But I also love that they don'tshy away from him being like
this cold, like not necessarilycold, but like he's.
He's too encapsulated in hismind.
I think the only miss from thatis the fact that he it's like
he's reading from like a scriptthat says nuance does not exist

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here.
So everything like every.
There's no on the nose for this.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
He's got a it's, it's .
We talked about superman lastweek when um talking about
especially the early castingsfor superman, um, whether it's
george reeves, whether it's kirkallen, whether it's and then
christopher reeve obviously waswas the one that they landed on
in for the movies.
Um, joan griffin also has the.
He kind of just looks like reedrichards syndrome.

(11:41):
Um, I think I think he had agreat look for the character
which I mean in these early2000s movies.
That's like the superheromovies.
It's almost kind of like whatthey were after, like whether
it's the x-men, whether it'sblade um, whether it's spider.
Spider man is kind of, I guess,maybe the kind of the exception

(12:03):
to that.
I don't think Tobey Maguirereally invoked Peter Parker
energy when they cast him.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, he doesn't even really look like Peter Parker
too.
I like comic Peter Parker Likemaybe some 60s iterations, but I
don't think he overtly lookslike Peter Parker, like comic
Peter Parker.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
So yeah, I think you know Griffith, you know looks
the part he acts the part.
Some I think you know Griffith,you know looks the part he acts
the part.
Some interesting kind oftidbits around this movie was
Peyton Reed, in 2001, wasactually going to direct this
movie Insane, which is a niceinteresting little kind of
butterfly effect of what thatlooks like, because he would
obviously go on to direct theAnt-Man films.
Mads Mikkelsen auditioned forthe role of Reed, richards

(12:44):
richards at one point, whichinteresting um, and then another
kind of directing tidbit wassean astin was actually a
candidate to direct this movie,um, who had never directed
before um, and he just didn'tend up doing it.
And then an interesting littlebit of news as we get to

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Avengers Robert Downey Jr was infact initially considered to
play Doctor Doom in this 2005movie, which is insane.
Imagine Well, you got to thinkif he does this, he probably
never does Iron man.
No, no, no, no, Because Ironman comes out three years later.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, insane, right.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, imagine, yeah, man comes out three years later.
Yeah, insane, right.
Yeah, imagine, yeah, and nowyou know full, full circle
moment, he is now gonna beportraying dr doom in in in the
next avengers movie, which iskind of crazy, um, and then I
mean, just just to show youwe're gonna talk, yeah, I mean
we're gonna talk about, um, theother cast members here in a
minute, but yeah, I think EwanGriffith does a really good job.
You know, his, his, I think hisReed Richards kind of stands the

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test of time in a lot of waysthat these other early, I think,
castings of these comic moviesreally don't, where people I
think kind of feel you know, ina different world he could have
maybe either came back as reedrichards or something.
Um, I think he's, yeah, I thinkhe's quite good in these, in
this, in this, in the firstmovie, especially in the second
film, um, obviously, I think thecharacter goes in a little bit

(14:17):
different of a direction, um,which is interesting.
Um, but yeah, then we can justkeep rolling down the cast list.
Um, chris evans, chris evans,perfect casting question mark.
Yeah, for the time, I think,absolutely.
Um, yeah, so chris evans in 2005is obviously just kind of in

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his uh, teen heartthrob kind ofuh, rom-com era.
Um, where he is is reallymaking a name for himself as
kind of just like if you need ajerk and how, in in your movie,
you kind of cast chris evans, um, he's obviously not.

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Another teen movie is kind ofwhere he kind of broke onto the
scene, um, and then he doesthese fantastic four movies and
then it's kind of, you know, itkind of takes off for him a
little bit from there.
Um, interesting, I mean.
The interesting thing about him,though, is, even with fantastic
four, you were always wonderingif he was ever gonna break

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through as like a movie star,sure like after this he does
rise of the silver server, hedoes TMNT, he does sunshine Um,
he does street Kings, he doesScott Pilgrim, so he's kind of
just kind of fluttering about, Iguess like you would say maybe
like the B tier.
Yeah, I was like Hollywood um,until obviously captain America,

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and then his career explodes,yeah Right.
Um, until obviously CaptainAmerica, and then his career
explodes yeah right.
But no, I think he's also goodin these Fantastic Four movies.
He doesn't really, I guess, doa ton in this first one.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
The second one feels a lot more Johnny Storm focused.
Yeah, I think it feels moreJohnny Storm-ish in the fact
that he becomes like a good guy.
I think he has to.
I never feel like he finds hisfooting like a good guy like he.
He actually like I think he, hehas to.
I never think like he finds hisfooting as like the good guy,
like I feel like he does thesupernova thing at the end
because he just wants to do thesupernova.
It's not overtly to save anyone.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
And I feel like the best versions of johnny storm
inherently their hearts are sowarm and good it's the not to
jump ahead to, to first steps,but I think it's the the john,
johnny Stoneman that I thinkJoseph Quinn is really going to
nail and I think that's kind ofwhere they want him to end up.

(16:35):
Right Is the nobility that endsup shining through in that
character.
Right Is what I think they'rekind of going after when they
considered, you know, josephquinn for the role.
I agree, um, and it's a placewhere evans gets to, I would say
probably at the end of silversurfer, when obviously he gets
all the powers and he fightsdoom and he kind of gets it.

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You know, um, which I think isgreat, um, michael Chiklis
Phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
He's great, he is phenomenal as Ben Grimm.
He understands the melancholyof being Ben Grimm, I think the
best that I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Also, admittedly, chiklis was probably the only
member of the cast that was aFantastic Four fan To the point
where he fought for a practicalcostume Shout out Michael
Chiklis.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Remember when he was in Gotham?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, he was the police commissioner, right.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
For a little bit, I believe, and then he became a
supervillain.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Gotham got weird Gotham got extremely weird.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Gotham got gothic for lack of a better term.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Besides, I mean, outside of Jessica Album,
probably the most well-knownactor in this movie because of
the shield, yeah and just yeah,I mean he's great, he's great,
he is great, he, yeah, he exudesthe melancholy of Ben Grimm.
He exudes, like you know, heexudes the brutish side of Ben

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as well, which I think is great.
Brutish side of Ben as well,which I think is great.
Um, and you can tell he kind ofhe still maintains that Ben
Grimm heart, oh, a hundredpercent.
And, like the Ben, that kind ofholds everyone together.
Yes, um, he's got him and Evanstogether are great in both

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these movies.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah, the the relationship is great.
I think Joseph Quinn and EvanMoss Bachrock are getting there,
but more on like an advancedlevel of like they've been
together for so long.
So like Ben doesn't inherentlyhate him, but I love their
relationship here because Benkind of does hate him, but it's
like his little brother, it'shis annoying little brother.
That's the best dynamic thatthey can have between the two of
them, yeah, and it's.
And then also ben also seesjohnny's potential, especially

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in the second one.
I think that's the true beautyof their relationship.
And, like you know, obviouslyyou're dipping into hickman's
run and I know shackman'sversion has a lot of inspiration
from it as well too.
But one of the big things iswhen johnny sacrifices himself.
You know ben is like butobviously everybody's sad.
I mean sue just lost herbrother.
You know um reed, for allintents and purposes, is the

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leader of the team he just lost.
You know, one of his teammembers.
But ben is like particularlydestroyed by the fact that
johnny died and I think it'sbecause he sees his potential.
So I think you know that littlebit in rise of the silver
surfer at the end where he'sjust like flame on kid or no, no
.
In the first one he says, hesees, how great Johnny can be.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, and Ben is also kind of the.
Obviously he is, because youknow it's kind of the history in
the comics but the through lineof Doom kind of manipulating
the team and he latches onto Benbecause he he's like, hey, like
I can make you normal again,right, like that's kind of what
you want.

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He's got like the rogue, therogue issue from the x-men
movies where, like everyone elsegot these pretty cool powers
and I'm a freak, right, um, so,like you know, you guys might
not want to consider fixingyourselves, but like I need to
be fixed, right, and that's kindof where the emotional kind of
core of the movie comes from,right, um, when doom kind of

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sinks his hooks into den,specifically, um, yeah, no 100.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
and then I mean moving the last to the fantastic
four onto jessicaba, goodactress, just horrible content
she was given.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean they, you know she was a product of of
of the time, to be honest, likethis is, you know, early 2000,.
She was the eight girl, um, youknow, she, she, you know doing
dark angel, kind of justpropelled her to this super

(20:48):
stardom Right, um, leading intoessentially them casting her in
the fantastic four because shewas pretty like I don't think
they really had any attachmentor no desire to make her feel
like Sue storm at any point inthese movies.
Um, which is a shame becauseright before fantastic four

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comes out in the same year, um,she puts in a really nuanced
performance in sin city, yes, Um, which again kind of just kept
kept her going as far as youknow her superstardom.
But yeah, she was.
She's really done a pretty bigdisservice in these Fantastic
Four movies.
Very often she's relegated tokind of these physical gags

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surrounding her powers.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
And specifically nudity behind it, which is just
absolutely disgusting.
That that's what this characteris relegated to, and I mean the
excitement for Shackman'sversion out of Vanessa Kirby,
the power that's behind it.
I wish that Jessica Alba likethat, like truthfully, like.
This is why Doomsday and SecretWars excites me, because it's
giving them one more chance,hopefully to show realized

(21:55):
versions of what they could havebeen and what they should have
been as well too.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah for sure.
Yeah, she.
Just in both these movies she'skind of relegated to just kind
of like B-plot.
You know she's kind of justthere to.
Depending on the mood of thescene, she's either there to
support Reed or she's there tokind of just lay into him a

(22:19):
little bit, yeah, when he needsto be laid into, like she
doesn't really have any.
I wouldn't say she has any likediscernible arc of her own,
like we kind of talked about.
Johnny kind of gets an arcacross these two movies, ben
obviously does, I think Reeddoes.
It's just she's just kind ofthere to be the wife.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah.
And she's a there to be thewife and she's be there just to
be the sexually you know comedicrelief, which is just not what
you want.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, from, from, from sue storm, um.
And then I guess just to roundout kind of the main cast, we
get julian mcmahon as victor vondoom, who is great, what I
would have given for for that,like julian uh mcmahon, to be
the comic version of Dr Doom.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
In terms of the actors and I'm not thinking like
forward thinking to when RobertDowney Jr obviously steps in
like forward thinking heprobably would have been the
best, like straight up rippedfrom the comic doom that we
would have got.
I love his look like that manexudes Dr Doom energy more than
anybody I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
He really does Um, he plays off of Yoma Griffin
really, really well, I think, umagain, it's just.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I just don't think it's a character that those that
developed this movie no, reallyunderstood oh, that's, and you
can talk about the product ofthe time, like it's just
something for the good guys tobe.
Is dr doom?
You know what I?
Mean like he doesn't evenreally feel like an art
character at all and that's kindof one of the through lines of
all these movies.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean, obviously these two are set in the same
universe, but even the 2015 filmthat we're going to talk about
later, for some reason they justcan't get the Doctor Doom thing
down, and I don't understandwhy.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, I know why it's because everybody was afraid to
do the comic origin.
Nobody wanted to do actualcomic book Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I do the comic origin .
Nobody wanted to do actualcomic book, dr doom, I mean even
this, even this iterationthat's coming out seems to be
running from that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't think overtly , I mean, I still think it's
gonna be.
You know, dr doom, all I thinkthe change is gonna be to
theorize real quick is that tonystark, like whatever his
ancestry would have been, itjust would have been.
You know, it's just a lot likehis.
His mother's maiden name was,was von doom.
There's something you know likeI don't think it's going to be

(24:29):
an overt, crazy change.
It's just he grew up inlatveria instead of america.
They could pull from the comicswhere he's not like howard
stark, wasn't his real fathereither and that, like you know,
howard stark adopted him fromlatveria and you know he was
this, adopted him from Latveria,and you know he was this genius
boy from Latveria, so headopted him.
So that's all you remember islike this version would just be.

(24:50):
He didn't get adopted fromLatveria.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, that could be.
So his whole thing is he'sbecoming a metal man.
Yeah, in this movie.
Yeah, which again I don't'tunderstand.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Just do the comic book thing yeah, he doesn't need
to be, and even if you want tostray away from the magic, you
should have probably just wenttech heavy if you were gonna do
it right.
Yeah, I don't understand theelectrocute electric powers yeah
, he gets electric powers, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's so weird that they just all these movies, all
these, you know, all thesemovies, all these, you know, all
these movies have been madeover the course of history about
these superheroes and for somereason, dr Doom is just the one
character they can't crack.
For some reason, I don'tunderstand it.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I mean that in the Phoenix as well too, like I
don't think.
No, yeah, that's a great point,but again that going to the
point like it's like almost likea sitting to go full comic book
on this.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, so that's how he ends up becoming Dr Doom.
Is he's having this organicmetal issue where he's becoming
a weird metal man?
The costume, I think, lookspretty good I think the costume
is good.
It's much better than the 2015version that we're going to talk
to or talk about in a littlebit.
And yeah, I mean they.
This is the origin of thefantastic four.

(26:05):
This movie, like we get thespaceship we get, and then by
the end of the movie they arekind of full-fledged in the
public eye superhero not even.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I think the the bridge scene kind of supplants
them, as, like these celebrities, it's actually a bit poignant
like the way they becomecelebrities, like this viral
thing happens on the internet oron tv, way they become
celebrities, like this viralthing happens on the internet or
on tv and we're just like no,you guys are the new celebrities
now yeah, they kind of got the.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, they kind of like forced into it, um, and
then doom ends up going back tolaveria, which sets up the
sequel in 2007 rise of thesilver Silver Surfer.
I should mention that thismovie did very well.
By the way, when it came out,the budget was around $87
million, which sounds paltrycompared to superhero movies

(26:55):
today, where we just had aSuperman movie with a
$220-some-odd million budget andthat's relatively low budget
and that's without the marketing.
Yeah, that's relatively lowbudget by today's standards, and
then it ended up grossing about333 million dollars.
A shame it couldn't be 444million dollars.
Yeah they would have got thethird movie, if that would have
happened you know what I wasthinking about too when I was
thinking about julian mcbann isdoomed, and like I was thinking,

(27:19):
like he just again to yourpoint like he just looks
villainous, like in the same waythat Jason Isaacs, who played
Lucius Malfoy in the HarryPotter movies, just looks
treacherous.
It's a great lane to be in.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, when you're an actor like that, yeah, yeah,
yeah, they pulled it again foranother Marvel project in the
Runaways for him, and he wasgreat, he was great, he was
outstanding.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, he was.
What's her name's father?
Oh, her real father.
Yeah, her real father.
Yeah, that show's great.
We're gonna talk about thatshow.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, we have to Runaways.
Runaways did a Cloak and Daggercrossover the young adult sect
of the MCU.
Spin them back around.
Get Kamala Khan involved inthat.
Get Kate Bishop, get RiriWilliams back involved in that.
You guys might have some.
You guys might be in a in a funrealm over there yeah, yeah, I
think so.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Um, anything else you want to say on the 2005 movie
before we move on to silver star?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
no, I think we covered everything.
I think it's.
I think it's funny.
I think it's pretty funny, it'sfun.
I just think tonally it's allover the place, like it doesn't
understand what type of movie itwants to be yeah, and I mean it
.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
It it's certainly not a movie that would have
survived the like 2010 era ofsuperhero movies.
No, that movie would havegotten nuked.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
If it came out like towards the mid to late 2010s,
it would have been evisceratedas well too.
But again to the point, if youwere to release this movie in
2025, that could be a wholedifferent type of reception,
yeah yeah, yeah, it would have.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, maybe it could have invoked kind of like a like
a superman-esque response likelook how comic booky and fun
this is.
Um, they would just have toprobably massage the sews, storm
stuff a little bit, oh that shewould have been a.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
She wouldn't have been like saying you translated
the actors forward, it stillwouldn't have been just alba.
I don't think no, probably not.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I think they said they want.
At one point christina aguilerawas considered for this, and
that probably tells youeverything you needed to know
about that susan character thatthey just yeah, then, where they
kind of wanted her, um, butyeah, this movie's definitely,
you know, I think of those early2000s, you know superhero
movies, I think this firstfantastic four movies like
pretty up there with the.

(29:25):
I guess the, the standard isprobably like spider-man right,
spider-man 2 x-men, x-men, oneis probably time.
Spider-man 2 yeah, it'sdefinitely like the gold
standard that's like 1a and thenlike the x-men, movies are like
right here x2 is probably like1b.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, um, then, probably.
Then it's probably this, if youlook.
So we're talking like rightbefore the mcu starts of 2007.
Yeah, so what do you have?
You have the two x, you havethe two fantastic four movies.
Yep, you have three.
You have three x-men movies.
Yep, you have three spider-manmovies.
You have a daredevil movie, youhave a daredevil and electro
movie and you have a blade movie.

(30:01):
A few brilliant movies.
Yep, yeah, that's, it's in theit's, it's probably in the upper
middle.
Is it the third best one,probably?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I would say so yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
It's probably it's x, it's, it's probably spider-man
2 and then x2, probablyfantastic four, rise of the
silver surfer yeah, and thenprobably x-men or my bad.
No, I think you'd probably putSpider-Man 1 above the Fantastic
Four, right?
Yeah, so it would be Spider-Man2, x2, spider-man 1.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
This one's probably on par with, like the first
X-Men movie.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, it's probably you could.
I could probably say Rise ofthe Silver Surfer.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think it's probably better than Daredevil.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I mean Daredevil's probably at the bottom.
It's close.
Yeah, elektra's the worst.
Elektra is objectively theworst one out of everything here
.
Shout out Jennifer Garner.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
And then X3 is probably above that.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, yeah.
What's worse, daredevil or X3?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
X3's just kind of dumb.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's probably Daredevil, daredevil
probably works.
Just because I mean you stillwhat you get in X3, you still
get an incredible Ian McKellenperformance.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Hugh Jackman's still Hugh Jackman.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, you get some pretty compelling stuff with
Rogue.
Yeah, you get the juggernaut?
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You get American Colossus.
You do get American Colossus,you do get American Colossus.
Very odd choice why we couldn'tjust make him Russian.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
You got me, man, Alright.
So two years after this firstFantastic Four movie, they're
like well, that went pretty well, you guys want to do it again.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
We're going to do another one of these, but this
time let's do Galactus.
Let's reach deep into thecomics.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, we're finally going to do Galactus.
Great, that sounds great.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
He's going to be comic accurate, right?
He's going to be comic accurate, right.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
What if hear me out they said over at 20th Century
Fox.
At the long corporate table.
Yeah, we can't do big purplehelmet Galactus.
It looks ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I just imagine at the big corporate table that Kevin
Feige is in the little kid chair.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
He's in there.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
He's in the room.
Yeah, off to the side he was inthe room during this and he's
like I'll show you.
I'll show you one day.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm going to get my own Fantastic Four with hookers,
just kidding.
Come on, come on, man.
They're like we can't do.
Big purple helmet it looksridiculous.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
This is a serious fantastic four movie, right
remember the bit in thebeginning where they couldn't,
they had to fly coach.
This is a serious, fantasticfour movie yeah that look.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
We're stretching the boundaries of seriousness with
the big silver guy on thesurfboard.
So instead of big, big purplehelmet, it looks phenomenal, by
the way it looks pretty good for2007.
What if we made Galactus a bigcloud monster?
Not even a cloud monster.
He was like a torrential downfront, just like a cloud, a big
cumulonimbus.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
A little dark cumulonimbus cloud that just
swallows up.
He had the audacity when he wason the way to Earth, when he
passed Saturn, to do thesilhouette of Galactus.
You cowards.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Also, you know what, though?
You know who's who's worse forwear for this DC.
You know why?
Because they looked at that anddid the same thing in Green
Lantern, with Parallax.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, Parallax was horrible.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
They're like hey, man , you know what was great Cloud
Galactus and Rise of the SilverSurfer.
What if we did that in ourGreen Lantern movie?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I watched Green Lantern the other day.
It is an interesting film.
That is something we got totalk about.
Maybe before Lanterns comes out, we could talk about Green
Lantern.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Because that is a it's unforgivable that they
looked at, they had one, marvel,already.
They took the bullet and madetheir own cloud monster.
And then DC was like what if wealso did a cloud monster?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
what year did Green Lantern come out?
In 2011, yeah wow.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Silver Surfer was out for four years.
They had plenty of time.
So everyone comes back for this.
And then we get Doug Jones asthe body of the Silver Surfer
and Lawrence Fishburne as thevoice of the Silver Surfer.
Doug Jones was sadne as thevoice of the Silver Surfer.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Doug Jones was sad that he couldn't just voice him.
I believe.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, which I understand.
They David Prowse'd him.
They David Prowse'd him infavor of Lawrence Fishburne.
I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Morpheus.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, I think the Silver Surfer is the best
character in this movie.
Yeah, he's the most compelling.
He has the best art.
This movie's also 90 minutes,by the way, which is nuts.
That's out of control.
It is Imagine a modern-daysuperhero movie being 90 minutes
, it would've got ripped toshreds.
Cats in America came close.
Brave New World was close.
It was at an hour 40-something,something like that, with

(34:46):
credits yeah, not great.
It says movie's 92 minutes,which is insane.
Um, so yeah, I mean, leads youto believe what they cut out.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Sure, a comic accurate galactus probably and a
comic accurate doom, becauseyou had a second chance.
You did.
You had one more chance becausehe goes back to laver.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Doom came back in this movie, but they were like
let's give him silver surfacepowers actually we went from
giving him electric powers andnow he just has the silver
surface powers.
We did get the fantastic car inthis movie, which I think is
great, but it's a Dodge becauseproduct placement.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
This movie is unapologetically product
placement.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I mean, everyone comesback.
I think everyone's a little bitbetter in this than they were
in the first one.
Oh yeah, jessica Alba still hasnothing to do.
No, she regressed.
Even she did regret, she became, she just became the wife in
this.
But I will say she does get thestuff with the silver surfer,
which I think is pretty good forher, but it's like in service

(35:42):
of the silver surfer yeah, it'sthe exact same.
It's probably the exact samemechanism that she played for
reed richards in the first oneand the second one.
She just serves to move alongthe silver surfer's character
arc without because, like thesilver surfer is like you remind
me of my wife.
I'm like, oh, here we go, yep,and she's like he's not a
monster.
Yeah, she gets that role.
That role is I hate that role.

(36:03):
Yeah, where it's like thesoft-spoken woman character has
to convince everyone that no,he's actually not a monster.
We saw Shape of Water.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Don't do this Tim Story.
He did it though.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, he did.
Anyway, um the human torch,silver surfer chase sequence is
phenomenal, it's pretty great.
It's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's the best part of the movie.
Yeah, smack dab, that'd be yourmiddle action sequence is great
.
I have a, I think to the pointwhere Shackman was just like
it's too cool not to do again,but somehow, but, somehow he's
making it cooler, is he?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
well, it's cause she's cool.
She is cool, I mean she'ssurfing on a dust cloud, yeah
she's surfing on like it lookslike a singularity, yeah, but
it's like, and then he makes itlook like a wave cause she's a
silver surfer.
But no, see your point aboutthe silver surfer in this.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I think he does look pretty good man, I think it's
Doug Jones as well.
Wait, didn't Doug Jones playthe, the creature in shape of
water?
Yeah, that was a subconsciouscallback of my green one he did.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's just pretty great.
Um, I mean, what happens inthis movie?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
the fantastic four is doing a wedding well, yeah,
it's the wedding they do, thoughthey did they overplay the
wedding of sue storm and reedrichards.
It's much more like this.
One approaches itself much moreas a comedy film than the first
one does yeah, like, and theydon't feel.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I don't know.
I guess that's one of thethings that kind of bothered me
about these movies too is likethey never feel like they're in
love no, I don't think their can.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Their chemistry is overtly great because, like, at
some point, reed has like anemotional, like catharsis of,
like wait, maybe I, maybe I dolove her and maybe the science
isn't as important but she alsoloves the silver server I don't
know, man, like it's weird, likeI, but she also loved dr doom
at one point, did she?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I never got that I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Dr doom certainly thought she did do you think
that he never officially askedher to be his girlfriend and,
like, never kissed or anything?
He was just going to proposewho, dr?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Doom.
Yeah, that would have been muchfunnier.
That would have been prettygood actually, I know you've
been my business partner for twoyears.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
But would you like to get married?
She's like no, Back away fromme, they do the power switching
bit.
That's like the main plot pointof this.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Because of the Silver Surfer touched Johnny Storm and
it screwed up his molecules.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I don't even know, want to begin to believe how
that works.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I don't know it's.
I don't know man, I mean, theybeat that bit to death.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, they beat the bit to death, and then they make
sure Jessica Alba's naked again.
Yeah, that's right Story.
You're not slick, you sicko.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, it's still not great.
It's really not.
No, the power switching bitdoes end up becoming the crux of
the final battle against DoctorDoom when they give Chris Evans
.
You're the main character ofthis, actually.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, like wait, let's make the funny guy the.
You know what You're going tosave the day.
Hey, funny guy, do the funnythings Actually.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, gonna save the day.
Hey, funny guy do the funnythings actually.
No, actually I'm gonna be thehero.
Yeah, I will be the hero.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Um, so the silver surfers yapping on about
galactus well, yeah, silversurfer shows up to earth and
he's just like yo y'all got, yoy'all got a few days left, man,
um peace out, surfer out.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Uh, the military's like shoot that silver surfer
out of the sky.
And reed richards is like, hey,you want to let us kind of
handle this.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And the military's like, no, no the military's like
hey, reed, we want your help.
And Reed's like I'm gettingmarried.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Lieutenant Holt from.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Brooklyn.
Captain Holt.
Captain Holt.
Rip to Andre Brower as well.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He's great as the general guy.
Should have made him Nick Fury.
Could have made him Nick Fury,that would have been probably
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay, let's talk to you about the Silver Surfer
Initiative.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
The Fantastic Four Initiative.
We're already the.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Are we going to do a movie with the X-Men?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
No, no, we were planning on it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Maybe one day Wasn't that a thing, at one point it
was a massive thing they weregoing to do all the Fox
characters.
We're going to do their own.
We're going to do our ownAvengers.
And then the universe abruptlyended.
That probably would have beenterrible.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Who do you even get to direct that?
Joss Whedon, probably At thetime.
No, you can't.
He's busy doing Avengers stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh, Singer probably does it Just because of.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
X-Menmen success.
Yeah, yeah, he probably takes,because then well, that's
because the x-men are probably,like the quasi, like main
characters of that well, thefantastic four and the x-men and
then daredevil and electroprobably show up at some and
blade probably show up to somecapacity.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
How you get wesley snipes in that movie, I don't
know no, because this isprobably post blade three, where
he's having like a mentalbreakdown and he's going to
prison.
They probably recast him.
Actually, it's probably themost likely outcome.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I mean even further than that.
Affleck at that time in hislife is like going to be a
filmmaker now.
So it's like how do you evenget Affleck to come back?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
He would never put that suit on again, you probably
just yeah, or you just do likeX-Men, fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, you leave Daredevil.
It might be legit because, like, why would they be crossed over
anyway with Daredevil?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, what's he doing here?
And then they probably justfight Doctor Doom yeah, yeah,
yeah, he gets the X-Gene.
Or they fight like Doctor Doomand Magneto, like they just team
them up.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Julian McMahon and Ian McKellen, that probably would have been
fun.
We're both oppressed?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, because like Magneto and Dr Doom can't fight
each other, because Magnetowould just fold him like a
toaster.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Or, and then Julian McMahon or Dr Doom would
electrocute him.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, professor X probably dies.
No, he already died in the nextmovie.
No, do it again.
Kill him again.
Kill him again.
Death taxes and Professor Xgetting.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Wolverine probably stabs Reed Richards, but it
doesn't work because he's rubber, that'd be pretty great.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Speaking of getting stabbed, sue gets stabbed in
this movie.
She does get stabbed.
Dr Doom stabs her.
Mm-hmm.
That's for not marrying me.
And then the Silver Surfer'slike no, no, here's my power.
It shan't be this.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
He should have talked like an old Shakespearean
character.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
That would have been, that would have played.
He gets the board back andsurvives and brings Sue Storm
back, and then Galactus is here.
Yeah, the world's ending, it'sover.
And then the Silver Surfer'slike I won't herald Galactus.
Actually I'm gonna killGalactus, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Galactus is kind of mid.
I'm over this, galactus doesn't.
I imagine this like adisgruntled employee, like
Galactus doesn't give me any PTO, no time off.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I may be on a board, but I'm not on board with this
Galactus thing.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
He will be dealt with .
Give me two seconds, also youryield, he flies into Galactus.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Huh, that's what happens.
He flies into Galactus and thenkills him, presumably.
What is Galactus in this?
I don't know.
Man, is it a being, or is itjust a?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
thing.
Well, wasn't it the thing thatlike, wasn't one of the theories
that, like that was Tattoo?
Yeah, I guess, like Galactuswas inside of that cloud
somewhere.
We just didn't see him, becausepurple space suit doesn't play
in 2007.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
That would have been wild if he would have flown into
the cloud.
And then you saw a comic actor,galactus played by In the
mid-2000s.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh, wow, the mid-2000s.
Michael Clarke, duncan, in themid-2000s.
Would you get to play Galactus?
You gotta go based off voice.
Can you grab Sam Elliott, or ishe too like country?
He's probably a little toocountry, he's a bit too.
It's his voice, though hisvoice would have played.
Oh, keith David.

(43:24):
Keith David would have been theperfect.
That would have been great.
Keith.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
David would have would have went crazy.
That would have been prettygood.
I would have enjoyed that.
Silver Surfer gets in there.
He's's like oh my God, it'sKeith David Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You were Galactus this whole time, Keith David.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I was, I was, I was, I was Galactus, I was Galactus
and I will be Mr Bones one dayand Stargirl, for some odd
reason.
When did Spawn come out?
Was he doing Spawn at this time?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yo cross Spawn over in there too.
Find a way.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Oh man, that would be great, but yeah.
So Silver Surfer flies in withGalactus.
They both explode, presumablykilling them.
Both Destroys Galactus.
I don't know what happens there.
The post-credits scene.
Well, silver Surfer stays alive.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, but Galactus, because he was going to get his
own movie, which that probablydoesn't work.
It would have worked in today'sday and age.
They probably would have giventhem.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I would imagine they're going to do something
with the Silver Surfer in thefuture.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And then, yeah, they, yeah.
So they take Doom out, theytake Galactus out.
Doom gets knocked into theriver, the ocean, wherever he
gets knocked into Clobberingtime.
Chris Evans says Wallops, DrDoom, you're all washed up, Dr
Doom.
Someone should have said whenthey dumped him into the sound.

(44:49):
So because Johnny touched theSilver Surfer again, he's healed
and he's able to redistributethe powers back out.
How does that even make sense?
Yeah, because wasn't the wholething?
Like, if you do this, johnny,it becomes permanent and like
we're all stuck.
Yeah, you're just, you're thesuper scroll because they
couldn't use the super scroll.
As the villain yeah, so theymade johnny the super scroll.

(45:10):
They gave him all the fantasticforce powers which is great
yeah, um, but yes, because hetouched the silver surfer again.
He got cured um and then reedand sue get married in japan for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, I don't know, man, weren't they in japan?
It wasn't the final battle injapan.
I thought they were in china.
They're close, they are close,but this is they have a
fantastic car, they could flyyeah, but they fly now.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
they do fly now, um, and then they get the alert that
Venice is sinking to the ocean.
And then Reed is like,delighted by this, so that they
can, so that they can get rid ofthe wet, like they could see.
This is why I'm convinced thesetwo aren't in love.
Like they didn't, like hedidn't want to be there, no, he
wanted to be saving, doing MrFantastic thing yeah, wanted to

(45:55):
be saving, doing mr fantasticthings.
Yeah, I know.
And then the silver surfacealive, yeah, that's rise of the
silver.
It's never gonna get followed.
They did plan a sequel to this,but this movie did not do as
well as the first one, right so?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
any?
What did they say about thesequel?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
uh, I don't remember it was gonna.
I don't doom was gonna be in itagain yeah, because he signed
on for multiple pictures yeah,and then I think silver surfer
was gonna come back, so I don'tknow where they made.
Maybe they would have done anactual galactus.
Surprise, the cloud wasn't thereal galactus.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
No, it's not as funny .
Who's the best villain?
Like a mole man.
They finally get the rights tothe moment, yeah, and they fight
the mole man.
The lowest stake fantastic fourmovie is the third one that
would have been great, like,yeah, we defeated Galactus.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And then like, oh, who's this guy, the Mole man?
He's just minorly annoying.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
For like two hours he's just running amok Giganto.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right, let's see.
Let's see if I can find someinfo.
Michael Chiklis was told BenGrimm's relationship with Alicia
Masters would have had agreater focus in the third film.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Kerry Washington signed that picture deal.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know if that would have gotten butts in seats
.
Um, jessica Alba wanted tobring in Franklin Richards
because she was probably likegive me something to do.
I think I think they would havedone.
Oh, that's right.
They wanted to bring, uh, jaminHonsu in to play Black Panther
in the third movie.
I'm in, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
That would have been pretty cool.
I'm in, he probably would havebeen.
Really that would have createdracial tension because they
would have done some things thatprobably weren't okay.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
So all these people would have talked Namor, namor
in the third one.
Namor would have been cool.
People were like I want to dothis and the third one, I want
to do this.
And then they asked Chris Evansabout it and he was like I'm
pretty sure we're not doinganother one.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
He said I'm not going to lie.
This guy, kevin Feige, calledme.
I heard he was some small-timeproducer.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
He said I'm pretty sure we're not doing a third one
, so don't ask me about this.
So they don't do another one,and then so we get to 2015.
Well, the MCU is runningrampant.
The MCU, we're in full swing.
Now it's the greatest thingever.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
We're in full swing now.
Even the X-Men movies arehitting kind of Days of Future
Past comes out in 2014 and rips.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yep, but the clock is ticking.
Yeah, the clock's ticking, theclock is ticking on.
Fox was like whoa.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, I love this whole stigma that, like Fox, has
like an alarm, that like blaresin the entire entertainment
building.
That goes we need to makeanother fantastic form of a stat
.
Quick, quick, get us the hotactors right now.
Miles Teller, he was inWhiplash.
Get us the guy from Chronicle,get us the guy from Chronicle.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Get us the.
Get us both guys from Chroniclethe guy who made it and the one
guy that was in it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Get us freaking, I don't know.
Get us the lady from House ofCards.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
What did we do last time with Sue Storm?
We got a hot woman.
Do that again.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, and then get Jamie Bell, and then we're good.
He said why Jamie Bell?
I don't know.
Man, just put him in the movie.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Doesn't matter, have to make this, so that's what
happened um, that being theinception of this movie would be
the funniest thing ever.
The big alarm goes off and theyjust start naming actors and
they're like that's good enough,we got to make this quick.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
What's yohan griffin doing?
He's too old, you see, crap, ohcrap.
Chris evans, he's captainamerica now how tall is miles?

Speaker 1 (49:12):
teller about six, three, perfect.
He's reed richards.
Michael be jordan.
Is he?
Ladies think he's hot?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
perfect, johnny storm there's something wrong there.
People are not going to behappy with that.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
No, we don't have time to think about that just
put them there.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
One of them is adopted, um.
So yeah, they call josh trenkup.
Uh, chronicle is a good movie.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, heck, yeah um, maybe don't do the chronicle
tone for a fantastic four movie,though.
No, but they did.
Yeah, it's this.
So fan four stick.
Is this weird science fiction?
Body horror, body horror, mess,militaristic in the reshoots,

(49:58):
nothing is colorful, no, no, thesaturation was turned all the
way down even the poster.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm looking at the poster now.
Everything is very dark.
Yeah, the thing is actuallyblocking out the sun and it's
posted.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, I don't understand why you took.
It's like the whole, like ifyou pick up a comic book and you
never once looked at that andsaid, yeah, that's the fantastic
four right there.
But it's a product of the timethey were trying to make like
hunger games is big, maze runneris big.
Like they tried to age thiscast down a little bit.
They're supposed to beteenagers for a little bit, I
guess none of them are teenagersno, no, no.

(50:33):
It's like the power rangersthought process.
You know you're in high school,but you're 39 years old so they
started developing the film in2010.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Trank was hired um, finished the film in two months
and then fox was like this movielooks like shit, do it over do
you think it did, or do youthink fox was trying to do
something?
I think fox was trying to dosomething.
I think they were trying to runthe 1994 playbook again.
Yeah, we?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
we just need to keep the rights Because the MCU is
getting too good.
But why would we waste all thismoney making the movie?
I think they were trying to runthe 1994 playbook again, but
jokes on Fox Twitter was a thingat this time.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
So they couldn't bury this one, so they made him redo
it and he redid it and it's bad, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
So they made him redo it and he redid it, and it's
bad, yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
It's one of the worst superhero movies that's ever
come out, which is crazy becauseby 2015 you're like we should
have had this nailed by now,like we should have this should
have been okay, but it wasn'teven like okay, it was just bad.
No, no it doesn't feel finished.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It feels like this movie is chopped to absolute
bits.
Victor Domashev.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Speaking of not knowing what to do with Doctor
Doom, again we don't know whatto do with Doctor Doom, in this
movie, at least he's fromLatveria in this movie, but they
make a joke out of it.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
You could go back to Latverius and Tim Blake Nelson
is in this movie.
Tim Blake Nelson is in thismovie.
Tim Blake Nelson is in thismovie.
Is he one of the bettercharacters in this movie as well
, too.
He should have been the villainof this movie.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
He should have been probably what goes on with Dr
Doom in this.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
He's like a chat room bro.
He's like a Reddit bro.
He's just like sad in hisbasement, like a full begrudge
against the character of DoctorDoom as well too.
It's just disgusting.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That was the approach .
Yeah, and they give him.
They basically make him in theSilver Surfer, which I think was
the plan.
He was going to become theHerald of Galactus, if they made
like a sequel to this.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Why, I don't know why can't we just do Doctor Doom as
the ruler of Latveria, whosacrificed his soul or whatever
to get his mom back, and then hehas all these magical powers,
but he's also a genius, so hehas all these tech powers and
he's just a powerful ruler, yeah, and this they make him, I
think, like telekinetic.
Yeah, he like explodes a guy'shead from the inside out.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, what mouth?
We'll get to that.
We'll get to that in a minute.
This movie's crazy.
This movie is crazy.
Everyone is pretty bad in it.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, yep, um although, like you know, we've
made this point several timeslike miles teller, I think would
be a hell of a evil, reedrichards I think if you can sell
him on coming back, like in inthe fanta andakman's fantastic
four, like I just imagine thecouncil of reeds, like you have
john krasinski, you have joangriffin, but you have miles
teller, but you find out at theend he's the maker instead, yeah

(53:26):
, that would be pretty freakingcool throw out the rest of the
cast, though.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
They're great.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
They're great people but I didn't hate michael Jordan
as Johnny.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
He was OK.
I just again, I think just notcast properly.
Yeah, yeah, I got to agree.
I mean, yeah, I just don'tthink he's, he just doesn't, he
doesn't give big, he doesn'tfeel like Johnny Soren, he feels
that's the thing, like are you,are you, are you?
Do you feel like the character,or do you feel like you just in
a costume?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
It's him, I mean.
Do you feel like the characteror do you feel like you just in
a costume?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
It's him in a costume , I mean he's just off the back
of Chronicle, which is what Ithink.
He's just Michael B Jordan.
When did Creed 1 come out?
The?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
year after, or the year before, I think, the year
after, I think it's 2016.
I'm very glad that he was ableto get Creed.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
2015 is the same year .

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Okay, I was going to say I was like if it was
laughter.
I'm super glad.
So good thing those two moviescame out in the same year,
because if Creed would have cameout after, he probably wasn't
playing Apollo Creed.
No no that would have been.
Or Adonis Creed, adonis Creedyeah, he wouldn't have played
him.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
This movie just didn't do well, no, no, and then
that was they, that was it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, I mean people saw.
People saw you know Avengers,age of Ultron.
People saw you know X-Men, daysof Future Past and, like you,
watch this and you're like thisis horrible.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, and then the, and then like, from the Fox, the
Fox and the Sony side of thingslike, basically like and the
Netflix side of things like, bythe time this movie comes out,
the dominoes are alreadystarting to fall around all
these other rights issues.
Um, yeah, the studios areprobably like like marvel yeah,
marvel's starting to geteverything back and they're

(55:08):
starting to get bulletproof likeabsolutely bulletproof for all
intents, and purposes.
I mean, I guess technically sonystill hasn't fallen because
they haven't technicallyrelinquished the rights to
Spider-Man.
I think it could be coming.
But they might as well haveMight as well.
Do it now.
They got all the other stuffback, obviously from Netflix and

(55:29):
all this other stuff.
Fox was holding strong for awhile.
They were like goleming it fromLord of the Rings.
It's mine, you can't have it.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So yeah, at this point, what can't the MCU do?
Just Spider-Man on their ownand then the Hulk by himself for
some odd reason.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, Universal still has ties with the Hulk.
How much money could that cost?
Maybe Marvel just doesn't wantto do anything with the Hulk?
That's so odd to me it is odd,it's so odd, it's one of their
most more marketable characters.
It's the Hulk Like.
Everybody knows who the Hulk is.
Everyone knows the Hulk.
Hulk Hogan yeah, just kidding.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
He was in the Incredible Hulk,was he?
Yeah, he was.
He was one of the securityguards.
I don't remember that.
You don't remember.
He was one of the securityguards at the school, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
So finally, finally, fox had to relent.
They lost the X-Men.
Not only did they have torelent, they had to repent.
Yeah, they lost the X-Men.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Oh, they lost them.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I lost the kid, I lost the Silver Surfer.
That would have been thefunnier bit If Fox kept the
Fantastic Four but lost theSilver Surfer somehow.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Marvel running rampant with a.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Silver Surfer movie.
You can have just Johnny Storm.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Oh no, it's just like the Human Torch Riders, sisters
again.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
We can't do this.
So, yeah, marvel gets the X-Men, they get to Fantastic Four.
Fox finally has to give up.
At least that, at least thatthere's no sheer panic anymore
over at Fox, because now theynever have to get awoken to the
the alarm bells of we have tomake a fantastic for movie,
quick, quick, make one.
Um.
So the next time we see thefantastic for is in Dr Strange

(57:15):
and multiverse of madness.
Yeah, we see the fantastic fouris in dr strange, the
multiverse of madness.
Yeah, yeah, insane right they?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
they did the fan cast .

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, they did for years and years and years and
years.
After this movie comes out,people were like, you know, it
would be a great reed richardsfor some reason.
John krasinski, why did?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
that ever gain traction.
Maybe I was on that fan bus too.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Maybe I wanted this is it just because he kind of
looked like Reed Richards?
Yes, what was the deal there?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yes, what was?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
the appeal Cause he was tall.
Huh, I never saw, I never gotit.
I never got.
I guess I never got the like.
I thought it would be fine ifit was like a thing, like if
they ended up doing it like Iwould have been.
I was clamoring for JohnKrasinski to be Reed Richards.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I can see why in hindsight I guess hindsight's
20-20, because just thinkingabout him in a full production
of a movie now, as Reed Richardsit would have to your point, it
would have been fine.
I just don't think it wouldhave been the greatest thing
ever.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
So there's loose fantastic fourisms.
In Multiverse of Madness, thealternate, christine Palmer, is
working for the baxterfoundation, um, and then, of
course, reed richards shows upin multiverse of madness uh,
presumably franklin and valeriarichards live in that universe
oh, we know they do.
Yeah, because wanda asks aboutthem.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, she's so there's no one left to raise
them Huh.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Do you have children?
Yes, is your wife still alive?
Yes, she is Good, and therewill be someone left to raise
them.
Emily Blunt was somewhere likeHuh, abandon ship.
Reed Richards, gotta go.
Man.
The smartest man alive, theysaid.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
He wasn't.
He's kind of dumb.
Bring him back in Fantasticfour dune's day.
Bring him back, sure, reedrichards.
I think that'd be fun.
Do kill him again for comedicpurposes yeah, that was well.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
We've talked about the illuminati sequence and, in
multiverse of madness it's notit's not great.
It's the worst of this of themarvel fan service yeah, and
we've talked to people about it.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
We're like isn't it cool?
I'm like it derails the entirefilm because you guys don't like
to have directors cook and it'sgross misuse of every single
one of those characters it alsolooks like a completely
different film yeah, it's a yeahand it's a just a gross misuse
of every single one of thosecharacters.
Yeah, black bull probably isthe most accurate, because he

(59:40):
doesn't talk, yeah, until hetries to talk and then he
explodes his head.
And then he gets his headexploded.
Nobody cares about Photon,captain Carter.
We're done with Captain Carter.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Guys, stop trying to make Captain Carter, she's an
industry plant.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
She is an industry plant.
Why is Captain Carter such athing?
She's an industry plant.
She is an industry plant.
Why is Captain Carter such athing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
She's coming back for Secret Wars.
Cut it out, reed Richards.
There's nothing, reed Richards,about what goes on in that
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
No, they just say he's the smartest man alive.
He clicks a button, a portalopens.
That's probably the biggestReed Richards-isms that we've
gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He does a stretch for a hot second before he's turned
into pasta.
Yeah, that's it.
That's Reed Richards.
Professor X gets a little bitmore to do?
Yeah, but in classic ProfessorX fashion he is obliterated.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah, how many times is Professor X going to die?
Patrick Stewart specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Just in movies alone.
I think he's died three or fourtimes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, logan, just in movies alone, I think he's died
three or four times.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, logan, he dies in Logan.
He dies in Multiverse ofMadness.
He dies in X3.
He dies in.
What else does he die?
I mean, he dies in X-Men, theAnimated Series, but then you
find out that he didn't.
Yeah, he dies a lot.
He's probably going to die inAvengers doomsday also.

(01:00:57):
Yeah, yeah yeah um, and thenthe last.
The most recent iteration ofthe fantastic four is chris
evans returned in deadpoolwolverine.
Yep, that was fun.
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
They just let him be chris evans, they let him be
johnny storm chris evans too.
Yeah, like that.
Like that was probably the bestexample of somebody coming back
years later.
I'm like, oh, you're the same.
That's definitely the same guy,like an older jerkish version.
He's been yeah, he's been inthe void for however long Makes
sense.
He probably did something.
He probably was messing aroundwith Reed's tech and got himself
in the wrong situation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And then he gets obliterated by Cassandra Dova.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
It's 2025.
Fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, and then we get this, and now we're getting
this movie finally.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Man.
The fan casting is probablymore relevant than the actual
movie itself.
This was crazy.
That was a nuts era, the fancasting era for this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Wild.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Man.
I still love the Adam Driver.
Margaret, remember when wethought this was going to be the
cinema version.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Well, yeah, that still loved the Adam Driver
Margaret.
Remember when we thought thiswas going to be the cinema
version?
Well, yeah, that's.
The other thing too is not justwas this movie fan casted to
death, it was also likeconfirmed at confirmed, quote,
unquote, like multiple times,that there was one cast.
There was this cast that wasgonna be announced.
There was this cast that wasgonna be announced, to the point
where I posited the idea thatyou don't show the cast until

(01:02:19):
the first trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
You could never do it in modern cinema.
No, but it would have beenhilarious.
Yeah, imagine we didn't know.
And like Pedro Pascal's, thebiggest star in the world.
And then Pedro Pascal shows upand you read Richard's and
you're like what?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
the yeah, this, and not just everything about this
MCU version of Fantastic Fourhas been a wild.
John Watts was directing it atone point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, I mean, he was the Spider-Man guy, you get them
.
You get them to do anotherclassic MC or a classic Marvel
team.
He was announced at a D23.
It was like the biggest dealand we were like on board and
then, like I rewatched no WayHome and I was like wait
actually wait.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Then on board and then, like I re-watched, no way
home and I was like wait,actually wait then john watts
was like you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I don't want to do this.
No, he was told that he wasretired.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I thought you were retired, retired, and then they
tapped matt shackman to do thisdamn thing and what a what a
pull.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
And like I loved when we figured out what Matt
Shatman directed in his career,we're like wait a minute, this
guy is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
He's done the best episodes of Game of Thrones.
Breaking Bad he's done BreakingBad.
That's all you need.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
That's literally all you need.
And then he did WandaVision,which upon rewatches freaking
great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
So then they're like yeah, he's doing this, which is
freaking great.
So then they're like yeah, he's, he's doing this, which is
great.
Um, and then yeah, the castingthing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Man, this was wild adam driver.
Driver margot robbie, who waswith them, who was supposed to
play johnny, oh, um, was itdacre montgomery, I think so,
yeah, yeah.
And then Daveed I forget hislast name was supposed to play
Ben and we were like is thiscinema?
Are they doing a cinema version?
Killian Murphy was rumored forDoctor Doom.

(01:04:06):
Mm-hmm, which Marvel.
You could still do it.
That would still be great.
I still think your choice forMatt Smith to play Dr Doom post.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Oh, paul Mescal was.
Oh, paul Mescal, that's right,that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Paul Mescal is John.
Paul Mescal is surprisinglyyounger than everybody thinks he
is.
He's not 38.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
He's just Irish, he's just Irish.
So, yeah, yeah, that was.
And then, yeah, daveed Diggswas going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Graham, yeah, so that was crazy, that was going to
happen.
That was like we were going to.
That was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah, and we were talking we were like Adam Driver
in another franchise.
But if they treat him rightthis time it would be kind of
cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yeah, yeah, man, I mean and then they just kind of
rebuilt it and then again toyour point, like there was gonna
be a, then we were gonna getthis cast that we had, and then
it was gonna be matt smith asreed richards, and then that was
like, apparently, like that waslike a done deal, like that was
happening, it's good it waslike a weird science version

(01:05:10):
which I would have been superinto.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Um, then it changed.
I mean, I think the earliestyeah, then it changed yeah I
think the earliest, earliest onewas john krasinski and emily
blunt.
That was like the very, veryearly.
I think dacre montgomery, likethat, was like the very, very
early and it made sense.
We're like, okay, if johnkrasinski plays reed richards, I
mean that makes the most sense.
He already was.
And the end, and that was likethe biggest fan casting emily

(01:05:33):
blunt's already his Like itmakes absolute sense that the
two of them would be there.
Yeah, montgomery, to JosephQuinn's point, was hot off,
stranger things, yeah.
And then you can kind of therewas an actor that they had for
for Ben that I was oh well, itwas Jason Segel.
It was Jason Segel for for BenGrimm and I was like, wait a
minute, this can be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that could have been, that could
have been really cool, but thatalso, and then, yeah, and then
I think that started to fallapart once they kept asking
emily blunt about it and she waslike not interested, like she
literally kept saying, like Idon't want to do a superhero
movie, I just don't want to doit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I think it probably soured on her as time
went on to yeah, no, superherothing, the superhero thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
It's a big commitment , man.
Yeah, a lot of these actorsdon't want to get stuck for look
what happened to Mahershala Ali.
Yeah, yeah, like he only kindof just got it going again with
Jurassic, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Jurassic World.
Hey, you're talking about atwo-time Oscar winner in him as
well, too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
the person that was supposed to like it, seemingly
you too yeah seemingly he's beenin limbo for however many years
, yeah, since yeah, it was hewas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
It was um shang chi, barbie, and then the guy just
avengers avengers like I justdon't understand, so I can
understand her perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
100, sure I'm not wanting to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
She's a high cinema actor.
She did jungle cruise touche Ilove.
I believe one around here watchEdge of Tomorrow.
That's a great movie.
That is a incredible movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Let Tom Cruise make his 12 movies before he's done
and then we finalized, you know,the dominoes all kind of fell
at once.
And then the big, the big earthshattering news was what was
the three?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
first it was Vinny Kirby, which was weird, yeah,
and Evan Mosbach, and I thinkit's because you made this point
a long time ago.
You were like there's no waythey could have just gotten the
best actor available at the time.
Schedules probably had to workout correctly.
Obviously he was going to be inthe Last of Us much less as
well too, yeah, so it per like.

(01:07:35):
He probably just finished ongladiator.
It was like a perfect storm.
Um, obviously, come on man.
Uh, the mandalorian.
Obviously they pivoted to themovie instead of the tv show, so
less time for him.
I was like, wait a minute.
Can we just ask the best, likethe most famous actor on the
planet right now, if he couldjust be reed richards?
Insane to think that itwouldn't work and I'm looking at

(01:07:56):
myself in the mirror as welltoo, because I wasn't.
I wasn't like obviously I'mvery high on Pedro Pascal, but
at the time I was like I don'tknow if he's Reed Richards.
And then the first trailer cameout.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I said that's exactly Reed Richards actually yeah, so
they get the end of PedroPascal.
The news, the news drops PedroPascal is playing Reed Richards
in the Fantastic Four.
The world exploded.
The world exploded, the worldexploded.
There was outrage, there waslove and admiration, and then it
was on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, it was on.
The marketing was pretty cool.
They really were droppingnuggets over the last two years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
And then they really started ramping up the idea that
this was going to be different.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
The first one was the first concept art that they
released on the Marvel officialpage.
It was like them, but you cantell it was the 1960s and you're
like OK, now, that's cool,they're going right back 1963,
the comic origin year.
They're going right back, whichwas cool.
And then it just keptprogressing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Yeah, was this going to be a alternate earth?
Was this gonna be set in themcu like modern 60s time um?
And then they were just like no, this is like an alternate
universe, retrofuturism piece,right.
And I was, as soon as I sawthat I'm like I'm in, this is
great, like this, perfect um.

(01:09:15):
And then, yeah, we found outlike they were gonna do the
robot was gonna be in this um.
And then I guess coming off ofthat was the we're doing
galactus and but we are doinggalactus.
And everyone was like, okay,are you allowed to do galactus

(01:09:35):
fox?
Was like okay, are you allowedto do Galactus?
Fox was like no way.
No way, they can't do that.
They can't do it it looksridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
And then Ralph Inneson spoke and then the whole
Fox building shut and they werelike, oh crap.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah, they said we're doing Galactus and we're doing
the Shala Ball, lady SilverSurfer.
And everyone was like the LadySilver Surfer and then Kevin
Feige's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
He's like shut up, nerds.
It's not the main 616.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
She's been a lady before?
Yeah, she has.
And I was like, urgh, and we'regoing to get Julia Garner, who
is great, mm-hmm.
And they're like, all right,well, we don't like this, but
we'll hear it out, yeah, andthen they heard her out and they
were like, wait a minute, waita minute.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I Harold your end.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
The most aggressive hear me out of all time, the
lady silver server.
People were like wait a minute,maybe I kind of wanted to
destroy the earth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, is this the worst thing that could actually
happen?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Um, yeah, and then I mean everything about this movie
that's, that's been kind ofreleased so far as it looks
stellar, Um, right down to thefact that the Galactus stuff is
practical it was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
They had Ralph Ines in 60-something year old or
50-something or 60-somethingyear old Ralph Ines in a
freaking suit walking aroundthat set.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Walking around that set, walking around like these
miniature cities, stompingaround.
What were they cooking in thisfilm?
And then, yeah, we've gotten somany different looks and
trailers and every single onejust looks great keeps looking
better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I really can't wait for this.
I mean, I think you know payingthe sins for jessica alba, the
messa kirby looks like counterincredible as Sue Storm like
that's.
It's the casting, I think isthe it's the best.
I think I'm most excited forEvan Moss Bachrock, especially
like he's the best thoughtprocess you can have to approach
the thing with.

(01:11:29):
Like crazy that a fantasticfour promo just popped on my
phone as soon as we were talkingabout it and it looks the thing
like his the thing look anddesign looks amazing oh, I'll
never forget when the firsttrailer dropped and we were like
, wait a minute, did they justdo comic?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
accurate, ben grim, and it's okay it's, it's
unsettling to look at because ofhow comic book accurate it
looks.
Yes, um, and then everybody Ithink we've seen we've seen
plenty of the four of them nowwhere it feels like they all
kind of get the characters.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah, I think Reed and Pedro Pascal did the Vanity
Fair interview and I think hisapproach to Reed Richards is
correct, for lack of a betterterm, like he is a bit cold,
like he is a little too smartfor his own good.
You know, obviously Ben is likethe rock of the team, johnny.
Even in the last promo forJohnny, he's referring to
himself in the third person aswell too.

(01:12:21):
Um, and then you know,obviously reed or uh, who did I
get sue?
Johnny ben.
Like reed seems like this, likeout of place, like the only
reason he's not the maker isbecause of sue storm, like
that's the point yeah, I meanthat that that press conference
I think scene is is so poignant,it literally hits all of them.

(01:12:42):
When you, when you watch it likeben's, like I'm gonna tell you,
like I'm gonna tell you thetruth and like read too much is
telling the truth, like in anend of the world scenario, you
probably wouldn't want thepresident to come out and be
like, hey guys, the the world islike, yeah, it's they ask him
like you know what happened withGalactus?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
And then, um, you know, did you beat him or
whatever?
And the Ben's like no, and thenJohnny's like but we will.
Yeah, oh, you're just like wewill don't don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Having science to the galactus is a tough.
He's a tough, he's a tough sell, he's a tough sell.
Do you think that reed, likethey like galactus, like I want
that kid and reed's like hethought about it and then, and
then sue was like reed and jesuslike you can't have our son.
My wife said no, my wife saidno, galactus was like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I sure would like it, though, and Reed's like honey,
are we sure?
And Galactus is like.
Well, I guess I got to destroythe world now.
So dang it All right.
How old is the kid?

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
A year Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I'll see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I'll see you later.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Then he got back and he was like and then, yeah, I
mean I think that that sequenceis it feels incredibly chilling.
Yeah, that sequence is it feelsincredibly chilling.
Yeah, when they ask him are wesafe?
And he's like are we safe?
I don't know, see you later.
Yeah, see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I've been Reed Richards With another
Fantastivision program.
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
The marketing on this movie.
Marketing's incredible man Fromlike the press.
Now they're doing fake pressreleases.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Yep, they're doing like Time Magazine's man of the
year, reed richards.
Yeah, which is fun.
Um, yeah, like the 1960s x likepromos, like products.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Yeah, yeah, marvel studios prevents the fantastic
four my fantastic vision um,yeah, shackman's talked a lot
about how he's shot this movie.
He said expect the aspect ratioto change when Galactus appears
on screen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I need to see that in the largest IMAX imaginable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah, yeah, and this movie was shot for IMAX too,
which I think is pretty great.
So yeah, we're a week away from.
The hierarchy of power in theMarvel Universe is about to
change, it seems it's becausePedro Pascal is such a darn
adorable guy.
I guess technically theappearance of the Fantastic Four
after Deadpool Wolverine was inthe Thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Technically, yeah, it was just a ship.
We don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
in it.
Yes, cut it out, nerds.
They're in the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Galactus is in the ship.
No, that would suck.
You've been tricked.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
You've been tricked.
Avengers, we're the B-Vengers,though we're not the Pre-Vengers
.
We're the Avengers.
That guy's playing Dr Doom now,just so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, so what's going on?
Is he showing up in this at theend?

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Maybe not fully him, maybe just a silhouette of him,
but like I just think it wouldbe grossly idiotic not to put
him in the post-credits scene ofthis movie.
It's a Fantastic Four movieyeah, dr Doom's gotta be around.
Yeah.
And like also, like I wouldn'tif I was the MC, like I wouldn't
overtly complicate his originLike man, just have him be from

(01:15:55):
that universe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
So, yes, like man just have him be from that
universe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
So yes, if you've been living under a rock, robert
dinah jr is playing, he's back.
I will never forget that.
That was insane.
I'll never forget where I was.
I was getting texted out of theloo.
Did you see the news?
I said who died man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, that was nuts, what a swing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
One swing when the first photo of him as dr doom
comes out, the internet is goingto annihilate itself yeah, um,
I don't know man, I don't knowwhat happens there, but yes, I
do think just have them be fromtheir universe, Like I.
I just think this whole ideawhere they're going to try to
like what it's going to do Ifyou have an outside of the MCU

(01:16:42):
and their universe, I'm going tobe like I don't care, Like I
don't, I don't really care.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
No, I think he should , absolutely.
I mean, and their own kind ofestablished, uh, weird
dimensional lore.
Like characters don't have tolook the same to be the same
person.
No, like Spider-Man solved thatproblem Right, fantastic Four
is also solving that problem,because Pedro Pascal is not John
Krasinski, obviously, which isnot Ewan Griffin.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Who's not.
Yeah, so I mean, all this stuff, they all look.
Everyone can look different andit'd be fine.
So so I feel like if they justwant Robert Downey Jr to be
Victor Von Doom, he can Right Um, and then yeah, I mean, but I
mean to the same point, like ifhe's going to come over to the
main 616 and he finds out that,you know, iron man looks like

(01:17:31):
him Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
He can exploit that to his advantage.
Yeah, I think what that movie'sprobably going to look like is
the multiverse is collapsing.
Because the multiverse iscollapsing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
It's been collapsing for a while.
Yeah, doctor Strange is dealingwith it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I think it's odd that there's no Doctor
Strange.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Maybe they're going to do a Doctor Strange movie in
between Doomsday and Scream no,he's going to show up at the end
of Doomsday like ChildishGambino.
On that episode of Communitywith the pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I'm back from the dark dimension.
Why are there two universesleft?
Why are you guys fighting?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Heaven Clear.
Come through a portal and DrStrange has got like a pizza in
his hand.
Yeah, like an interdimensionalpizza.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Come on, guys.
I wanted to surprise you guysat the Avengers Tower.
Who are these Avengers?
These aren't the Avengers thatI know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I was gone for five minutes.
You were gone for 50 years, DrJames.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
What?
Yeah, there's two universesleft, man.
This movie, plus Doomsday andSecret Wars, are going to be
insane.
Are they going to get a famousactor to play adult?
Franklin Richards?
Probably by Secret Wars, robertDowney Jr, come on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Ewan Griffin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
No, chris Evans, that'd be funny.
That would be funny.
Timothee Chalamet is FranklinRichards.
Scorsese said don't dosuperhero things.
So he's not going to do it,he's doing Doom.
He already is a god in Dune.
Just play a god in the MCU.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Not that different.
I mean, I'm excited forFantastic Four, I'm in, I'm all
the way in Me too.
It's like I'm coming down fromthe Superman high and now I'm.
It's like a roller coaster.
I'm entering the Fantastic Fourhype now and now I'm entering
the Fantastic Four hype now.
I'm like wait, this movie'scoming out next week.
It is coming out next week, wow, wow, oh.

(01:19:24):
And the great Michael Giacchinois doing the score for this
movie, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
This movie's going to slap man.
This movie's going to slap.
I'm a little mad at the runtime.
I don't know why everysuperhero movie needs to be
hard-stopped at two hours now.
I don't know why everysuperhero movie needs to be hard
stopped at two hours Now.
I don't understand why that'sthe thing.
Yeah, it's a money thing, it'sit's, it's overtly a money thing
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Yeah, full, full confidence, full confidence in
this movie, which is notsomething I say too too often,
no, but like sometimes again,like sometimes, you just know
Right, you just get the feelingabout everything involved.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Yeah, I'm super keen to see Pedro Pascal as Reed
Richards.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Yeah, and I think this movie's done.
I think people are saying, oh,they're giving too much away in
the trailers.
Not really, no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I still don't know how this is going to end.
I don't know how they're goingto beat Galactus.
I don't know.
You don't even know what helooks like.
No no, his eyes opened in thatlast promo.
I was like dog, this guy isgoing to be an issue.
He tried to talk to Galactus.
He told us to go kick rocks.
Yeah, he told us to get lost.
He said where's your son?
We're not giving him up Killingeveryone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
then he got nothing to say and nothing to talk about
.
Then I want the child.
I would like to see the baby.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Franklin, richards and Grogu.
I want the child.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I would like to see the baby.
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Then I'm going to kill everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
I'm sending the Silver Surfer.
Please don't.
I'm sending the Silver Surferto let you know that your world
is about to be annihilated.
Please don't.
And now I'm going to annihilateit.
Please don't.
I will.
You think the Silver Surfer isgoing to team up with them at
the end?

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
One.
Truly, I think that SilverSurfer is going to sacrifice
herself Again.
Yeah, but she's going to bedead for real.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
She's going to fly into Galactus' mouth and explode
To invoke to honor the 2007Silver Surfer movie Flies and
Galactus is like.
The 2007 Silver Surfer movieFlies and glides, galactus is
like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
They need to bet where he's like grabbing his
stomach and then he explodes.
He just falls over.
Yeah, no, I think Galactus isgoing to give one stroke and
then just teleport away.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
What if she, like, goes to fly down and he just
walks her?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
away.
There's a non-zero chance thatthat actually happens and you're
like, ooh, ouch, I want to seeGalactus fight Arishem.
Oh, that'd be great For therights to Franklin.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Richards, that'd be tremendous.
Just two big space gods justduking it out, just grabs a moon
, just crashes it over someone'shead That'd be tremendous.
But yeah, I'm looking forwardto this.
For all things considered, I'mlooking forward to Avengers

(01:22:08):
Doomsday as well, yep, and Ithink the thing that I'm most,
I'm just most, here's the thing,what'd you say?
I'm going to say the thing, ben, I'm just interested to see.
I'm just most, here's the thing.
I'm just what'd you?
say, I'm gonna say the thing,Ben, I'm just interested to see.
I'm just interested to seethese characters.
Yeah, I think is is ultimatelylike what I'm mostly looking
forward to Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Um, yeah, and how, these, how?
This cast kind of embodies themyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
I mean, man, that's great.
Yeah, that's crazy.
This movie's out next week.
I can't, I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Um, so we'll see.
We'll see what happens, feelsurreal, like clouded my brain
so much and it was such a greatmovie and like we're gonna get
another great movie.
See, if you let, if you letpeople cook, if guys aren't mean
to each other online all thetime, we get two movies like
this two weeks apart from eachother.
Right, yeah, be, let peoplecook Studios, let the creators
cook.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
It's crazy that we're here, yeah, and we talked about
how Superman is equally asimportant to the DC as Fantastic
Four is to the MCU right nowNot Marvel, but the MCU itself.
Both those movies need to hit.
Superman's doing its job.
Fantastic Four's got to finishstrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, and then you know the implications of what
that means for the rest of theMCU will be discussed heavily.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Yeah, yeah, because you're getting a Spider-Man
movie and then it's, and thenit's on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Then we get our first Avengers movie since 2018.
19.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
2019, yeah, are they going to delay it again, you
think, because what is itsupposed to come out in 2027?
Now, 2026.
I think they're going to justdelay it until the summer,
because the only reason theymight keep that spot is because
there's no Avatar movie thatDecember, but it still has the
same day as dune 3, which dune 3inevitably is going to move.

(01:24:00):
They might, unless doomsdaytakes, you know, unless doomsday
ends up taking the 2027, likeapril or may 2027, which, for
all intents and purposes, like Idon't think another six months,
is going to kill anybody yeah,I just have man, I just have to
imagine just thinking about thedr doom stuff, like if the
fantastic four is going to killanybody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah, I just have man , I just have to imagine just
thinking about the Dr Doom stuff, like if the fantastic four are
going to be in doomsday, theyhave to have some awareness of
Dr Doom right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Well, I just think it's simple Like that universe
already, like the eight to eightuniverse they're in already
feels so lived in, yeah, why aswell, just have dr doom be there
, be their doom, and like theyalready had, like they defeated
him and then he just went backto live area and he's been
plotting, and then he justfollowed he just followed them
over, yeah, and then he's justlike no, I will amass ultimate

(01:24:46):
power based off of this and,like in that universe, he looks
like that's what happened totony stark in that universe.
he didn't turn into tony stark,he turned into victor von doom
instead.
Simple, like you're done.
You don't have to explainanything, only lore that you can
say is that Tony Stark wasnever adopted by Howard Stark.
I hope Jeffrey Wright shows upas the Watcher and just explains

(01:25:07):
it so people can shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
And he's the one that can kind of come over and kick
Reed while he's down Mm-hmm,Like you failed, failed again.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I've always been smarter than you.
They're similar in age too,like I just think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
It's mutually perfect yeah, for sure, really looking
forward to it, that's all I canreally say.
So that's it.
That's the Fantastic Four.
We're finally going to get agood one after 30 years.
We're going to get a great.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
What about the one from the 90s Could have been?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
good, we don't know.
We'll never know for sure.
That's it, though that's gonnado it for us this week.
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(01:26:01):
insane um, which will be in alittle, in a little while
court's going on vacation, sowe'll have the.
We'll reconvene to review themovie after that.
Yeah, um, but that will be thenext time you hear from us is to
review that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Even we get vacations as the world famous podcasters.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yes, yes, the Silver.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Surfer does not get vacation time.
Nope, I want to go take avacation to Saturn Denied.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Unless I, unless I can blow Saturn up.
Yeah, can I blow Saturn upafter you take a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
but what if I want to revisit Saturn after the fact?
Not my problem.
Go get me that dangintergalactic baby immediately.
Tough in these streets for theSilver Surfer.
You know what I always thinkabout.
It's looking back on everything.
It's the whole Spider-Manholding a person in a coma.
I'm going to do that bit twicein a row.
A person in a coma wakes up andFranklin Richards is being

(01:26:55):
abducted by Galactus in aFantastic Four movie set in the
60s, right before they all teamup in Avengers Doomsday to fight
the Avengers.
The Fantastic Four and theX-Men are all fighting Doctor
Doom.
That person said wasn't therejust an Incredible Hulk movie
that just came out?
Edward Norton's still the Hulk,isn't he?
Look, look.

(01:27:15):
And on the show, come on, lookman.
I don't know how to tell youthis.
Collateral's own Mark Ruffalois now Bruce Banner.
Oh, I hate collateral.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Who was also almost Doctor Doom in the 2005 movie.
That would have been something.
That would have been somethingMm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
I love how movies have this domino effect.
That can happen if one thingchanges, that has the biggest
moves.
A chair Tom Cruise is Iron manif one chair moves.
Kevin Feige is the president ofDC Studios if one chair moves.
I love thinking like that yeah,diamond Hansu's Black Panther,

(01:27:56):
that could have been good.
I think that would have beenkind of cool.
Is he cooly like that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, diamond Hansu's Black Panther, that could have
been good.
I think that would have beenkind of cool.
Is he cool?
He's always cool.
He's cool in everything.
Yeah, he is.
He's even cool in Shazam.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
He is cool in Shazam.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
The weird wizard man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, he is a weird wizard man who turns into Wonder
Woman at one point.
Yeah, he does.
And then Zachary Levi turnedout to be just a weird man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yep, I'm glad he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
No in the movie.
No, they brought him back tolife.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Wonder Woman brought him back to life.
Remember, remember that bit,the end of Shazam 2, when she
showed up, she was in the end ofthat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Wow, rip the DCEU.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
You were something you were something that weird
Flash movie, Two Aquaman movies.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Talos?
No, they did get.
They got two Aquaman moviesbefore they got a man of Steel
sequel.
Hey man, that Aquaman moviemade a billion dollars we got
two Aquaman movies and twoWonder Woman movies before we
got one Batman solo movie.
What a wild time.
We got two Suicide Squad moviesbefore we got one Batman movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Yep, yep, it's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
It's wild.
It's wild, man.
We got a Birds of Prey moviebefore we got a Batman movie.
Hey man, that Birds of Preymovie is pretty good.
It's probably.
I got my super hot take.
We have to, probably.
We probably have to memorializethe DCEU at some point as well.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we will,because it's dead now.
Yeah, we probably have to dolike an in memoriam for how many
movies were in the DCEU 13.
It was that many Because, allright, man of Steel, Batman vs

(01:29:21):
Superman, the Suicide Squadwe're not counting Justice
League, because we're just goingto use Schneider's, like that
Justice League.
But Zack Schneider's, justiceLeague, suicide Squad, the other
one.
So the Suicide Squad.
Two Wonder Womans, two Aquamans, the other one.
So the Suicide Squad.
Two Wonder Womans, two Aquamans, the Flash Birds of Prey Did
you say Batman vs Superman?

(01:29:41):
Mm-hmm, I'm missing something.
Green Lantern doesn't count.
No, it doesn't.
Man of Steel on, there's amovie I'm missing in there.
There's something that I didn'tsay.
Oh, black, adam, black, adam.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Black Adam, oh, and then the two Shazam movies.
So 14.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
And Blue Beetle Does it count?
Yeah, I don't think Blue Beetlecounts, it counts.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Does it Sure?
It came out before.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Aquaman, I guess it does count.
So 15 DCEU movies, what alegacy Stupid Flash movie.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
I hate that movie so much, it's so bad I.
What a legacy Stupid Flashmovie.
I hate that movie so much, it'sso bad, it's bad.
I don't like it.
All right, we're getting out ofhere before I get mad Flash
retrospective next week.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
It's still bad.
Remember when that was our100th episode.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
I'll do it by myself, actually, solo.
I'm going to go full ColinCowherd next week.
Come on, man, I'm going to dotwo hours by my thumb on the
flash and just rant.
Alright, guys, we'll see you,not next week necessarily, but
next time, where we'll bereviewing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
We're going to be reusing the Fantastic Four, much
like Fox did multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
We're going to be reviewing Fantastic Four 2005.
The first steps yeah, fantasticFour, first Steps review will
be our next episode.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Oh, Galactus gets that kid.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah, he could raise it better actually.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Yeah, franklin, no, they're gonna do.
You know what would be sick Ifthey get an older actor to play
Franklin Richards and he makesGalactus' Herald, like in the
Hickman Room.
That was probably one of thetop five most insane comic book
moments of all time.
And that's saying something.
President richard, be like youknow what galactus you work for
me now, dog galactus, like Igotta respect it, man, I don't

(01:31:24):
know what to say.
Is he cool?

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
is he cool?
He is cool.
I herald his beginning.
What'd you say wait?

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
what's she cooking?
A lot A Harold Juran.
We about to die.
What's?

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
she saying that other bit Tell your loved ones all
the things that you didn't get achance to say.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Uh-oh when it's like I actually don't love you, Sue.
I love the game, I love science.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
There's going to be a lot of bad confessions that
come out of that which she says,that she that to be like.
I'm sorry, I cheat on you, you,what, you, what you hear off
screen.
People are just gettingmurdered it's the retro future,
1960s.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
People are quitting their jobs.
No, the fantastic four is goingto save them.
I think there's going to be anarc where mole man becomes a
hero, which I think is going tobe incredible interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Where's this, where's this theory coming from?
Well, they're all underground.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
They'd probably make a deal with Mole man and be like
hey, you're not a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
No, Reed Richards is a bad dealmaker.
We already know this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, you could have just gave him your son and saved
7 billion people.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
I'm waiting for that spin by one of those people in
the media in the 60s.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Just the headline.
Give them the sun question mark.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Here's the thing, here's the thing, someone shows
up.
I don't know whoever the 1960sretrofuturistic version of
Tucker Carlson was.
Come on, man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
But he'd be the one to spin it.
We got that character inSuperman.
Actually, Do you really need asun?
I would like our sun, becauseif we're dead we can't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
He's not thinking of the greater good is all I'm
saying.
All right, we're going to getout of here Until then from me,
from the Careful man, From the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
There's one specific character that would be real bad
if you said I was like no, Iwas going to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
You're the Michael Chiglis of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
I thought you were going to say Michael B Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
No, Michael Chiklis.
Michael Chiklis is great.
I thought you were going to sayYohan.
Griffin, I thought about it,but then I feel like I don't
know.
Michael Chiklis has got alittle bit more oomph to him.
He's great.
Everyone loves Michael Chiklis.
Yo he's actually hilarious inthose movies.
Yeah, he's tremendous, he'sfantastic, but he's also not an
idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
No, Especially in the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yeah, exactly.
All right, guys, we'll see youfor Fantastic Four.
It's going to be a good time.
Until then, peace.
Oh, I said your thing, goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
No, we're in an alternate universe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
We switched powers yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
We no it's.
We're in an alternate universe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
We switch powers, we switch powers.
One of us came in contact withthe silver server and we
switched powers we came incontact with shallow ball wood.
That's all I'm saying.
Alright, we're out of here.
We already did the goodbye bit,so we're stopping.

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