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I'm here, as always, but court,court, we're finally back to
talk about fantastic four.
Yeah, we are.
What a picture.
Yeah, it was a lot of funobviously a lot to talk about
this movie in terms of just themovie itself.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
The box office returns, which is becoming a hot
topic of discussion yeah,remember when you made 500
million dollars in the studiowas like great.
Now you made 600 milliondollars in the studio is like
how dare you yeah, right, sowe'll see.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
We'll see what what the future holds, obviously for
marvel and everything and justthe genre in general, I guess,
because people are apparentlygetting very concerned, but I'm
not sure that they need to be.
I think we just need toremember a lot of things from
way back when, when it comes toall those movies and how much

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they were and weren't makingRight Before you know Infinity
War and you know Spider-Man andall that stuff.
So you know, some of thesemovies just are not meant to be
event films.
You know they're just meant tobe event films.
You know they're just meant tobe kind of like their own kind
of thing, right, and that's whatfantastic four was.
So we're going to talk aboutthat, and then a bunch of other
stuff relating to fantastic fourand obviously the fallout from

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that.
First, we have some news andsome trailers.
First and foremost, obviously,before fantastic four premiered
and showed, they showed thetrailer for Avatar.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh, seeing that in IMAX man.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, so the Avatar Fire and Ash trailer coming out
in December.
So we're on a good track withthese Avatar movies and
obviously the gap between theone and the Way of the Water was
significant, but this one iscoming out not too long after
the second one, so all yourfavorites are back from the

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second one and from the firstone, jake Sully is back.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Sam Worthington.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Loloch Piecon.
I'm glad that you remember allthese characters and names.
Sulte is dead.
Is that the one?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
that died.
Yeah, that's from from the boys.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's right, and yeah, so I mean, obviously the
big thing is again just howvisually stunning this movie
looks.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's visually stunning.
The score.
I love that.
This trailer just it trusts youright out of the gate.
I think that's my favorite partabout this trailer is it trusts
you.
It trusts you to know, and asmuch as the Dune 1, dune 2 thing
Avatar 1, avatar 2, where thefirst movie it should echo the
first movie, should echo theworld, the first movie should
kind of have it be a wave thatwashes over where you're

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encapsulated and then the secondmovie can really shine
narratively.
You know what's this?
What's the third movie going tolook like?
Obviously, looking at thisfranchise, there's at least five
movies that he's going to makeout of this.
So, looking at a third film inthis franchise, probably this is
probably going to be a bigturning point as well.
To narratively, I imagine thisnarrative is going to, you know,
get much darker.

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I envision there's probablygoing to be more sacrifice as
well, too, in this.
So I'm really looking forward.
I mean, it's just it's it's.
It's stunning.
The first 30 seconds of thistrailer you're watching, you're
like this, like how, how do youdo this?
Like, how are you doing this?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, you're back.
You're like immediately, liketeleported, like back in, like
it's insane what he's able to dowith this world.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Obviously, the first two are two of the highest
grossing movies of all time andI know people are always like
how, and this is how it's thespectacle, these are like events
like these are big events.
But I think the second onereally, really strengthens this
point.
It's these stories are sostrong.
This story is so strong and thestory is strong because these
characters are airtight,especially after the second film
.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, no I no, I totally agree.
I mean, everyone we talkedabout it.
We talked about the second onelike just narratively and
character-wise, like it was sofar beyond the first one, where
the first one was obviously likethe world-building, like they
had to throw so much lore intoit that it was kind of like a
technical showcase for what thisthing could be.

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And then the second one waslike all right, now we're kind
of getting into like the meat ofthe story and the characters.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, and I love the, I love the level of trust that
james canring gives us, like Isaid, on a character level as
well too, and I mean, before Ihopped on here, it's even making
loak the.
You know he's the maincharacter of this film, of this
franchise.
Now it's's kind of he is, hisnarrative is kind of what's
flowing through everybody, andit's good to have a younger

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surrogate for the audience aswell too, especially if you want
newer.
You know, obviously this moviethe second one came out 13 years
after the first one, so it'svery good that you know you have
a character that's younger,that can kind of embody the
voice of the generation, to kind, of, you know, get them in.
That's younger, that can kindof embody the voice of the
generation, to kind, of, youknow, get them in some reason.
Sam Worthington is absolutelyphenomenal in these films and it

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looks like he's only gettingbetter and better every single
step of the way as well too.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's kind of just in thisavatar space, but I think you
saw the vast improvement fromthe first movie to the second
movie and from the second movie,hopefully this one and we got.
You know the new tribe iscoming in.
It's kind of been like a staple.
But you know what I kind of likeabout this at least this
trailer is they didn't justleave behind the old like the

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way of the water, no sect of theworld, seems like.
It seems like they're all.
I'm coming back.
It seems like they're allcoming back in a way like in the
first, like I know when way ofwater started.
It kind of like you're in youknow the the space of the first
movie for like 15 minutes andthen it like takes you out of
that space and brings you intolike the coastal kind of the

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water place, whereas this itseems like it's gonna be much
more intertwined and the.
It does not appear that the.
I don't know if we have like anofficial name for this fire
tribe yet, but does not seemlike they adhere to the same
planetary beliefs as the othertribes.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
No, I quite appreciate that understanding to
make them antagonistic as welltoo.
And it's not antagonistic, foryou know, being an antagonist
antagonist, it's antagonisticbecause of perspective.
Like their perspective on thiswhole situation could be much
different.
You know, to the point wherethey get somebody like Quaritch
in their corner For lack of abetter term he is, you know,

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probably the devil deal thatthey're going to make and
they're going to, you know,probably, regret.
I also love that these moviescan't help, but Corbin and Jake
just shoot in the fade everysingle third act they have to
Until they team up in the fifthone.
Like I'm theorizing.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Your goddess has no dominion here.
I said wait, wait a minute.
The lead of Fire Tribe says tothe daughter whatever the
daughter, I forgot thedaughter's name Ah Kiri.
Kiri.
Yeah, which is an interestingthing because we've yet to see
another Na'vi tribe kind ofoutwardly reject the idea of
AWOL in this universe.

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So I think that's aninteresting kind of thing and
you got to wonder what thisgroup has seen to make them take
that position.
So I'm very, very interestedand obviously visually it
interested and obviouslyvisually it just does nothing
like it.
There's nothing like theseAvatar movies.
Stranger Things also got atrailer on the time that we were

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away.
Stranger Things Season 5, whichis split into three parts,
right, and they're like two hourmovies.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
They're like two hour movies.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, like right around Thanksgiving, Christmas
and New Year's, basically, iswhen they're dropping these
bunches of episodes, with thefinale, I think, just being on
its own in January, which is,you know, it's kind of what
Netflix is kind of doing now,like they did it with a lot of
their shows recently, where theydo these kind of sectioned
releases, and I mean the trailerlooked really good, man.

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You know, I know this show, andnetflix in particular, has
caught a lot of flack for howlong it's been between seasons,
and you know, you know just thespectacle of it all and I think
people just forget.
You know how good season fourwas yeah, season four is like
peep television.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I was I was thinking about this as well too where I
was.
I was saying to myself, likehow do you rank these?
It's probably four, one, two,three.
Yeah, you were to rank theseseasons and like to usurp season
one of this show, which waspretty spectacular, says
something.
So you know this show is in afunny little realm because if

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you want to look at thestreaming services, like you
know you aren't anybody withoutme.
Like that's Netflix, netflixwas the first one and like this
being one of the flagship shows,that's like.
You know streaming content, youknow for television like it
works and you know it can beimpactful and we can pull in
more viewers than like networktelevision can.

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Like they really changed thenarrative on how, you know,
streaming television could beperceived narratively and you
know, to see these charactersand see them all grow up as well
too.
Where this is where the otherside of that coin falls is it's
a while.
It's been a while.
It's been a while and you gottathink you know that interest
like did they fall over a littletoo far?

(09:23):
I don't think so, because ofhow popular the show.
It's like the Squid Games thing, where everybody's like nobody
cares about Squid Games and thatwas the highest viewed thing
that Netflix had ever done forseason three.
I just got to, obviously forthem number one.
You got to stick this landing.
You have to do anything andeverything to stick this landing
.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's the hardest thing to do is finales, and
ending things Right.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
You can either Game of Thrones yourself or you can
pleasantly Breaking Bad yourself.
Like it is, there is a and italmost feels like there's never
going to be an in-between.
It's finales always, I think.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Dexter is still learning that lesson, Sure, sure
.
That's the reason I feel likeDexter keeps coming back.
It's like the original seriesthe finale was terrible.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So they did the new blood and people weren't
satisfied with that.
So now they're doing theresurrection thing.
That and michael c hall needswork.
So, yeah, sure, I wonder, andyou know you gotta keep playing
like you.
Season four bought us one ofthe better television villains
of all time was vekna.
Like you're talking about avillain that has great backstory
.
It's great menace as well too.
I think this season can benefitand it's going to be funny to
say this like the big spectaclefinal season, getting back to
some basics as well too.

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You know your your spooky horroryou know, your, there's a level
of ambience to the first seasonof stranger things which I
really appreciate.
It like it breathes, which Ithink is really impressive.
So if you even get back to alevel of that, but yeah, I'm
just, I'm super, superinterested.
Obviously, I'm interested inwhat this final season would be.
I just I feel like it's becausewhen did season four come out?

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In 2022.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
That sounds right to me becausewe we covered it on it was
either 2022 or 2023.
So it's been, it's been aroundas long as we've been.
Yeah, 2022.
Yeah, wow, and it was July, mayand then July Of 2022.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Three plus years, three and a half years yeah,
we've been waiting in betweenone season.
They better make sure thisthing is tight.
Obviously, this cast has seensome controversy.
There's been so much that'sbeen shrouding this entire thing
where it's got to be good andit's good Isn't good enough.
It's got to be phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, and I mean the trailer was very
impressive.
Sure, sure, you know it hit allthe right marks of like what a
trailer for a strange thingsfinal season needed to hit.
Hit all the right marks of likewhat a trailer for a strange
things final season needed tohit.
Like it needs to kind of likejolt viewers and be like oh yeah
, like no, this show is actuallygood.
You know what I mean and andyou know it seems like it's
going to be much of the tone andfeel of season four, with just

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obviously, a few more bells andwhistles, sure, so I'm
definitely, obviously we'regoing to check it out and I'm
just looking forward to seeinghow they wrap this up.
Right for now is a really,really difficult to do and I
don't think it's.
I don't think people are notinterested, like.
I think people are going towatch and you know, obviously
it's going to be the talk of thetown for three months, or you

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know pretty much.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know that november time, december, january
, yeah, um, we're gonna beloaded up for the back half, for
the, for the last part of theyear, because I'm I'm assuming
in that time we'll probably havesome sort of spider-man trailer
.
In that time probably see thefirst, the first footage from,
from whatever the spider-manmovie is which we'll talk about
in a moment we'll probably get.
We're probably gonna get somelook at at dr doom, like an

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official look at dr doom.
In that time, avengers doomsdaywill probably ramp up as well
too.
Obviously you have avatar whichtalking about film.
That's what's going to dominatethe.
The back half of the year willbe that and yeah, it's going to
be stranger things on atelevision front is what's going
to dominate the last part ofthe year, which is it's
intentional.
They made that up likeeverybody will be home for all

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three of those dates.
If you know you work like anine to five.
Everybody will be home Like itall works.
So I'm excited.
I am looking forward to this.
Season four of Stranger Thingsis one of my favorite seasons of
television I've watched, so I'mreally keen to see if they can
stick this landing.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
And, speaking of Fantastic Four, Stranger Things
give us the ascent of JosephQuinn in season four.
So yeah, we're going to seewhat happens.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Think he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Or do you think he's too?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
big now.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, I don't think he's too big.
You know, I think a lot ofpeople have speculated that he
may come back as some sort ofvampiric yeah undead type figure
, but not like a zombie, butlike more like a vampire.
Yeah, like something happened tohim, like in the upside down,
that caused him to not die,right.

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So I don't, I mean, I don'tknow, I it would be great to see
that character again, becausethat character is so great, but
I think also his sacrifice wasso tight that you know,
sometimes it's cool to resurrectcharacters sometimes, but
sometimes it also you also haveto think about the impact that
it has on their, you know, ontheir death to begin with,
especially for other characterstoo, which is, it's the dust

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within the room.
Right.
So I think like sometimesresurrection can be a kind of
lazy mechanic to be like, hey,remember this character and how
great they were.
Mechanic to be like, hey,remember this character and how
great they were.
You know, sometimes you justgotta let it.
Gotta let it be, you know, andlet the let the characters, the
surviving characters, deal withthe aftermath of of the death.
Right, you know.
But I mean I say all that tosay like, yeah, it would be
great to see eddie again.

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I mean he was right, you know.
Probably you know you talkabout like the stranger things.
It's like guest characters likehim and Bob are probably the
two strongest.
I mean it is.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Eddie.
He's absolute lightning in thebow which catapulted his career.
Like he's not playing JohnnyStorm, he's not in A Quiet Place
, he's not in Gladiator 2, if hedoesn't play Eddie in Stranger
Things, he just does not andhe's been great in all those
other things?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
yeah, he is.
And then we got a couple couplemovie things.
First, stranger Things.
He just does not and he's beengreat in all those other things
yeah, he has.
And then we got a couple moviethings.
First and foremost.
So for those of you who may notknow, michael Mann has been
doing Heat 2.
Yeah, or not doing it, but he'sbeen thinking about it, writing
it, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
One of my favorite filmmakers of all time.
Michael Mann is an absolutelegend, yeah, yeah, legend.
Heat may be a top three actionmovie to ever be put to film you
can make the argument betweenHeat.
Miami.
Vice oh, you're just talkingabout Michael Mann.
Yeah, michael Mann movies.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Collateral.
He did Ali, he did Glass of theMohicans absolutely, he's one
of the best action directors.
Michael Mann, in my opinion,it's like the Christopher Nolan
absolutely, yeah, he's.
He's one of the you know, oneof the best action directors.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Michael man, in my opinion, one of it's.
It's it's like the christophernolan oppenheimer thing where,
like, I know that like,oppenheimer is probably his best
film, but like, I still thinkinterstellar, like he was
cooking or no, the vice versa,vice versa, I think interstellar
was the best film he'd evermade, but oppenheimer is one as
a director, he was cooking.
Michael Mann, in 1981, had anincredible film with James, with

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James Caan, called Thief.
That film is just incredible.
That film is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Anywho, Heat 2.
Yeah, so he's apparentlydrawing up a sequel to Heat.
Obviously, the legendary actionmovie starring Al Pacino,
robert De Niro, gave way to oneof the greatest acting scenes of
all time.
Yeah, the diner scene in Heat.
Gta 5 doesn't happen withoutHeat, right?
Yeah, so he is working on Heat2.
He's apparently pushing veryhard for Leonardo DiCaprio to

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star.
Yeah, I was super surprised atthat and, by all intents and
purposes, apple's basicallysaying like hey, if you get
DiCaprio, we'll make Heat 2 athing.
Obviously, apple coming strongoff of F1.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I think they're going to leverage that too.
And then, like, obviously Leoand Brad Pitt are friends, so
it's like, like Brad's going tobe like yo apples.
They, they know what they'redoing.
Like they, they make somehighest, highest to lowest with
Spike Lee, and Denzel is aboutto come out next month as well
too.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
They're painting themselves a neat little.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, I mean Scorsese was with them for Killers of
the Flower Moon like that andtelevision-wise Apple TV is
strong as well.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah yeah, they're painting themselves a nice
little kind of film niche here,so we'll see.
I mean we'll see what happens.
Obviously, you know, this isthe norm nowadays.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is Adam Driver still attached to this movie, because
they were talking about this forthe longest time that Adam
Driver was going to be in this.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I mean I know the sequel wasannounced like three years ago
at this point.
So I think things, you know,things obviously have changed.
Adam Driver world famous.
He might be in this thing guySpeaking of Fantastic Four.
Adam Driver was also attachedto that at one point.
So yeah, I mean, obviously thisis the norm nowadays, as we're

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resurrecting, not resurrecting,but we're doing legacy sequels
to things that came out 30 yearsago or things that came out 8
years ago, like Once Upon a Timein Hollywood 2 which very odd
Social Network also.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I mean the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 2 is at
least Bradad pitt's coming back,so like but why is?
Why is david?
Why is david fincher doing this?
I don't know, that's so.
That's odd, for, like,filmmakers like that usually
don't take franchises from otherpeople, like tarantino,
scorsese, spike lee Lee don'ttake something from somebody

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else.
It's like their thing.
Is this the thing?
And now it's etched in filmhistory.
It's so odd that Fincher's likeyeah, I want to keep doing
Tarantino's vision.
So odd to me, I can't put myfinger on it.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't understand it.
It's really strange.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
The social network one is even more mind-boggling.
They probably could, becauseJeremy Strong is going to play
older Mark Zuckerberg,apparently.
Yeah, because Eisenberg doesn'twant to do it, which I don't
blame him for, if you've heardEisenberg talk about it in the
past.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
he really doesn't give a shit about Mark
Zuckerberg and he really doesnot like him as a person.
They're very ideologicallydifferent, yeah, and jesse
eisenberg just doesn't vibe withthe person you know, which is
it's because playing a characterin a biopic is very different
than playing them in a, likeplaying a fictional character.
Right, like you know, it'sespecially with this what the

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second movie is properlysupposed to be about, which is
like kind of like the role thatfacebook played in the 2020
election and and all that stuffyou're teetering a very
dangerous line yeah.
So I mean, I, I don't begrudgejesse eisenberg one, one bit for
not wanting to come back to itis now.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
You see me movies yeah, yeah, we saw, that trailer
too, when we saw fantastic itdid.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I love those movies.
I'm a big fan of both the firsttwo.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
And they're getting the all-star cast.
Dominic Sessa got added to thiscast.
Yeah, Ariana Greenblatt gotadded, Like they added what's
his name from the Pokemon movie.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
And, more importantly , I saw the TV glow.
What's his name?
I was, oh, justice, justiceSmith I believe so.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
But yeah, as far as these legacy sequels go, this is
the world that we live in now,where it's like, hey, remember
this thing and we're gonna do acool follow up to it.
I don't try to think of I thinkwe did.
We did either an episode orlike a corner on like legacy
sequels and like what kind ofspawned this, but now we're just
doing it seemingly for anythinglike we're doing it for, like

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now the social network isgetting a legacy sequel.
I don't know.
I don't know where we're going,I don't know when it's going to
stop.
But heat 2 I would be veryinterested in if you get
leonardo di caprio yeah, in itmichael, band leo, possibly adam
Driver.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
If I'm them, you probably want to try to fill Val
Kilmer's youthful exuberanceNot that he's 20 anymore, but
Austin Butler immediately doesthat.
He immediately steps in anddoes that, looking forward to
caught stealing as well with himlater this year with Matt Smith
, who Matt Smith will talk aboutsoon.
But yeah, you you probably tryto grab, like, uh, yeah, you try

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to grab Leo, maybe an AustinButler type, somebody like that.
Uh, you know who would work ina heat movie what's his name?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
from Severance and Mission Impossible oh yeah, our
new goat, god, that's theactor's name.
Looking it up, we just talkedabout him.
Yeah, we did.
Tramiel Tillman, right, I mean,we just talked about it last
week or last time.
Yeah, no, I think it could bereally good.
So we'll see.

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And, like you said, speaking ofMatt Smith, he has been
officially cast in the Star WarsStarfighter movie as the
villain opposite Ryan Gosling,and I think that is a fabulous
pairing.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I guess the question that you're going to
ask is what is he going to be?

Speaker 2 (21:57):
He's going to be some smarmy Imperial type.
Yes, yes, I think that works.
I don't think this film isgoing to deal too much in Jedi's
no, it's gonna be top gun inspace.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah, it makes the most sense.
Just have fun.
Like, let ryan gosling be ryangosling for two hours.
Yeah, like matt smith, like yousaid, let me.
I think they're gonna.
They're probably gonna try topull some andorisms out and I
think that's why he's probablygonna be like a new imperial
officer that's trying to, youknow, climb the ranks and take
out this gunslinger in space.
I do think you have anopportunity to add, like a side

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side Jedi character in this,which, because I don't know what
Mia Goth's role is going to be,but you have the chance to add
one more actor to kind of fillthat role.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
So yeah, I just yeah.
Matt smith is always a good addto anything, especially if he's
gonna play like some kind ofcharismatic, right morally gray
type character I think he fitswell into, like, the star wars.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I could see him in a little hat, yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, the hat, the all whiteJust yapping about the Empire.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Perfect.
I think that's pretty great.
God, I think that would befabulous and I'm looking forward
to that movie.
It's a standalone.
I love it.
Give me a good Star Warsstandalone thing that isn't
really tied to much else, Justlet people go.
I think that's great.
So I'm really looking forwardto that.

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And then, before we talk aboutFantastic Four, we have to talk
about Spider-Man.
Production for Spider-Man Birdof New Day is popping up.
I don't really want to talk toomuch about the set stuff, just
because it's like thedouble-edged sword of.
You know, we always blast thesestudios for not filming in
actual places and then when theyfilm in actual places,
everything goes on the internet,which is what's happening with

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Spider-Man right now.
So I guess the only thing wecan and should talk about is A
Mark Ruffalo is confirmed to beback as the Hulk.
The dartboard, Dartboard.
They threw the dart at thedartboard and it landed on the
Hulk and they're like alright,now the dartboard said we have
to put the Hulk in this movie.
So the Hulk's in this movieJohn Bernthal obviously, was
announced as the Punisher awhile back and he's going to be

(24:14):
in this.
The guy who played Scorpion oh,Michael Mando, he's going to be
in this, but not as the mainvillain no, I heard they're
getting like a cutlery ofvillains together.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, it's gonna.
I mean, if they do that, it'sprobably gonna feel like a
spider-man comic where, like,he's just taking out, you know,
villains of the day until thebigger threat arises, which will
be well, apparently it's notgonna be mr negative, so
apparently the much, muchrumored mr negative was gonna be
the main villain.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
This is not going to happen which opens the door for
a litany of possibilities.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
now Well, I mean, if you look at this cast, I mean
Sadie Sinks, in this film whichwe don't know, we don't know, we
don't know, we don't know yetshe's not going to play Gwen
Stacy.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
She's not going to play Mayday Parker.
I don't think they're going topull anything ultimate reality
from this.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Speedball, not Speedball, whatever her name is.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
No, don't say that.
So we got the Punisher, we gotthe Hulk, we got a look at Tom
Holland in the costume and thecostume looks fabulous.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's, hyperbolically speaking, the best live-action
Spider-Man suit we've evergotten.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, I mean there's no notes.
It sounds stupid to say itlooks like a Spider-Man suit,
but the cartridges, like the bigcartridges there, just man and
he like looks like a20-something-year-old Peter
Parker now, which is great.
It's kind of crazy Like this isthe first live-action

(25:55):
Spider-Man that we've seen agewith the role.
You know where he started out,as like the high school kid.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
And now he's like the young adult college guy Right
and he's kind of aged up withthat, which is really really
cool to see Destin DanielCretton has spit in the face of
John Watts, who once said thatyou can't do practical web
swimming because it looksridiculous.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Daniel Destin Cretton said shut up, shut up, I will.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
We're going to put that spider-man on a crane and
get him.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Get him swinging.
Did he do?
Did he still do the wonder manshow?
I don't know if he yeah, Ithink so.
Is he cool?
He's pretty cool.
I did enjoy yeah, yeah,abdul-matin being on the
fantastic four premiere yeah, incharacter.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, because I remember I texted you and I was
like, oh look, he's got theglasses that he wears in the
comics.
You're like, no, no, listen towhat he's saying.
He's actually Simon Williamsright now.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Oh shoot.
But yes, dustin Daniel Crettondid create the Wonder man show.
Wow, he created it.
The showrunner is Andrew Guest.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, I mean, you know, looking full picture at
Daniel Destin Cretton I mean,shang-chi is one of the most
underrated Marvel movies thatwe've gotten so far, in my
opinion.
I think that movie is tight.
I think that movie is fun.
I think the action is.
I mean it's some of the bestaction in the entire MCU and
it's a travesty that we haven'tseen Simu Liu, since the same

(27:19):
time we've seen Stranger Thingsabout three years we haven't
seen him.
We're not going to be seeing you.
Do you think he's going to showup in this movie, in the
Spider-Man movie?
Just for a post-credits scene.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
A second something I'd be surprised I don't know
no-transcript like that 2020 to2023 ish range where they're

(27:54):
just like shotgunning charactersand not really having a plan
really or like a timeline.
I guess Not really so much aplan, but like a timeline.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I think they weren't so character-centric of like.
This character needs to be here, we need to fast-track.
But then it gets to yourproblem of like.
But who are the Avengers?
Because it's even a point,doctor Strange isn't part of the
Avengers, but his films werestill working during the
Infinity Saga.
You have these other sidecharacters who kind of filter in

(28:23):
, but there was no.
I mean, we, we talk, we'll talkabout it always to the we're
blue in the face.
They had a main character issuewhich we're going to talk about
with Fantastic Four, firstSteps.
They might've solved as welltoo.
It was right under our noses.
So I don't know, I don't know,man, I, this, this Spider-Man

(28:46):
movie is like it's I'm, I'm likeI've been puzzled the last few
days because obviously the setphotos look incredible.
He looks amazing in the suithe's going to be.
You know, college age PeterParker.
You know, pull out that camerafor J Jonah Jameson because you
got to make some money.
You're broke, like that'sfinally a Peter Parker
Everybody's been asking for.
But then, like the Punisherthing, I was like, oh, that's
awesome, like getting thePunisher.
And then they said the Hulk andI was like, oh, no See, I'm

(29:10):
nervous, I'm really nervousabout the Hulk stuff, and I'm
not as nervous for the narrativeof the movie as I am for Mark
Ruffalo as the Hulk Like.
That's what I'm truthfullynervous about.
I personally think they addedhim because they needed a way to
get him ready for Doomsday,because they have something big
for him in Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Do you think there's any chance that the movie opens
and he's just Bruce Banner again?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It could be.
I mean, he figured it out inShe-Hulk.
He figured it out.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And he kind of serves as a kind of not a replacement
for, but kind of an analog tokurt connor's it could be in a
way where, like he's trying, youknow, augmentate
self-augmentation, things likethat it could be.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I I don't see that outside the rubble in the
possibility.
But I'm also thinking about thestudio being the studio yeah
getting ready for the bigteam-up movie that's gonna make
a gazillion dollars.
Yeah, one of the focal pointsof that will have the hulks
being on point and you know thehulks being on point is going to
include mark.
You need the main hulk to like.
We haven't seen that main hulkas that main hulk since 2015 or

(30:14):
2017, excuse me.
So you're talking about howmany years?
You're talking about nine yearsor eight years, since we've
seen, like a true proper, likeangry hulk, like ready to fight
anybody, like it's been yearsupon years.
So that's why I thought mrnegative was going to be the
main character of this film,because he was going to flip

(30:34):
savage hulk back out and put,you know, smart hulk back back
away for a long time.
But we'll see how this goes.
I'm I'm still vested.
I mean, it's the super, it'sthe superman argument like mean,
you're right, it's Spider-Man,yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's Spider-Man and Hulk, it's the Superman argument
.
At the end of the day, it'sSpider-Man, right and it seems
like Hulk aside that it's goingto be just kind of set in New
York and Spider-Man is justgoing to be Spider-Man and about
Right, which is what you couldask, all you can ask for, um,

(31:09):
and I mean, the punisher stuffis super interesting to me
because I don't know whetherit's because of the character or
because it's burnthal, but likethat character seems to be
getting fast-tracked for like alot of different things.
I just think it's burnthalhimself has to be right.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Like he's just so freaking cool.
Like he's.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Like he's just like they put him in daredevil spun
off into his own thing that'scoming out next year.
To now, he's gonna be the firstkind of tv character to star in
a movie oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
That is the first like tv character that's gonna
get like a big, I mean besideslike monica yeah and miss marvel
and monica and miss marvel.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, but from like the Netflix crew I think, yeah,
well, I mean, charlie Cox was inin no Way Home, but right for
five seconds.
Yeah, but the Punisher, for allintents and purposes, is gonna
be like in this movie right towhat?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
capacity.
We don't know.
I mean it might be like a BlackWidow and Captain America,
winter Soldier, we where, likethat'd be great.
She is like he's in this movie,like he is.
I think that'd be awesome.
Points of this film I thinkawesome.
And obviously the next movieyou you can't not, in my opinion
, because the next movie isgoing to be post secret wars you

(32:20):
, you just have to do daredevilkingpin, it's spider-man like
that, just it's the easiestthing to kind of.
You know, get them out.
You just have to do DaredevilKingpin, spider-man Like that,
just it's the easiest thing tokind of.
You know, get them out, get yousome money.
Keep it street level.
Those multiverse ones for them,make some money though they do,
they do be making money.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Speaking of the multiverse, yeah, Take a little
trip to Earth.
828.
Fantastic Four First Steps cameout a couple weeks ago.
Much has been made of the boxoffice returns, which I mean
it's not the worst thing in theworld right now worldwide 367
million, budget, about 220.

(32:58):
So made its money back.
A lot of people made a you knowbig kind of craziness about the
drop off from the first andsecond week, which I don't again
, I don't think is substantialor significant in any way.
This movie made money is allthat matters.
And then you know, hopefully,hopefully, most importantly, to
marvel, it's their kind ofsecond really well received

(33:20):
movie in a row right betweenthis and thunderbolts.
If you look at the aggregatestuff holding strong 86 percent
on rotten tomatoes among criticsand 92 percent among fans and
viewers, which is what you wantlike, it doesn't really get much
better than that for a majormajor releases, when the critics

(33:42):
and and the viewers are bothlike, yeah, this movie's, this
movie's pretty good and I thinkthis movie is fabulous yeah, I
think this movie is is reallygood.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I kind of you know, obviously you get your out of
theater like wow, wow, wow andthen it's all.
I guess it's all about likedoes that fade or does it stay?
I feel like for superman, forme it stayed like it stayed,
like Like it stayed, like.
I only saw that movie once.
I didn't get a chance to see ita second time and I'm still
itching to, I still want to seethat movie again.
But even looking at FantasticFour and I think I was right

(34:14):
about my assumption where, likeSuperman's importance was that
it had to work because youneeded to get this new universe
off the ground and you needed tounderstand that, like this is
the new age of, you know, dc,which we can go into the
tomorrow versus fantastic Fourfirst steps was like the studio
needs this one.
The studio needs to get usready for the big conflict, the

(34:34):
big billion dollar movies thatare about to come out.
We need, we need to get usready.
And boy did they.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yes, and I mean the easy thing, getting the easy
thing out of the way.
It's easily the best FantasticFour movie you never saw, the
one from 1990.
, the bar wasn't very high, I'lladmit, but this movie just far
and exceeded any of those otherFantastic.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Four movies, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know why?
The family stuff, the familystuff, yeah, the family stuff I
mean that's.
I know I heard a lot of peopleI guess we'll talk about it a
little bit more in spoilerssaying like there wasn't enough
you know action, Like theydidn't use their powers enough,
Like, if that's your complaintabout a Fantastic Four movie,
you really don't get theFantastic Four.

(35:17):
They've never really been about.
They are.
I would say there are threethings right, they're.
And the third thing in terms ofpriority is the superheroes.
They're superheroes.
Third, but they are more thansuperheroes, are scientists and
explorers like that's, that'stheir bag?
They are not, you know, they'renot captain america, they're

(35:38):
not the avengers.
They are a family of ofscientists and explorers who are
more concerned with themachinations of the universe
than they are saving theuniverse, I think the character
that most benefits them and wecan just kind of go down that
route.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Now is johnny storm a very and I saw some people
complaining about.
I didn't understand why likeit's.
It's one of those situationswhere it feels like you can't
win either way.
Oh, now he's not the.
He still was in the film To thefilm's point.
He still was that playboy.
But also he's not an idiot.
That's what I think people donot understand.

(36:15):
Johnny Storm's not.
He's not a dumb jock that dateswomen and drives fast cars.
He had to train to be a NASAastronaut.
He is a smart individual.
His sister is a genius.
His, his brother-in-law is agenius.
Like the guy's gonna pick upsome things, which he did in
this film.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I mean talk about it in spoilers, but he has
one of my favorite scenes inthe entire movie joseph quinn.
I guess we could just startwith the cast like joseph.
Joseph Quinn is great.
I mean, if you've beenlistening to this podcast since
this cast got announced, I'vebeen saying the entire time that
he was going to crush this.

(36:55):
I just you could tell.
I mean, all I had to work onwas how he was in Stranger
Things, which is a similaroffshoot to this version of
johnny storm in the sense thathe's got he's this rogue kind of
brash exterior, but in here, isis heart and someone that cares

(37:16):
very deeply about the people inhis life, and he tapped into
that in this movie for this roleand and he was fabulous.
Yeah, you know, and, like I said, he has one of my favorite
scenes in the entire movie.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Now he has to play Captain America in 10 years.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, man, a British guy playing Captain America.
Oh yeah, it's a cardinal sinOof and then Eben Boss Macarack,
I think was one that we wereboth pretty excited for.
As ben grim and he's great, Iwould say he probably gets the
least to do it feels like,because a lot of his stuff was
cut yeah, that, yeah, thatdefinitely seems probable, but

(37:58):
what he does get to do, not somuch.
Again, this isn't a moviethat's about that.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think johnny probably uses his powers the
most yeah, I feel like visualeffects wise it was fire is
pretty.
I think that hollywood's gotfire under control.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's great, though, oh yeah, it looks amazing when
he's like the human torch andhe's flying around.
So, as far as like powers andshowing off powers go like the
thing doesn't do too too much,he's kind of there, is like this
, which, again which is again tomy point about not it being
them, about using their powersit's he's, he's the, he's a
stabilizing force throughout theentire movie yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I love how the fact that they're four years beyond
and like johnny and ben's hazingis minimal, to the point where
you know ben is like you know,like you, I hate to even put it.
Like ben is their rock.
Like ben is, you know.
Ben is like you know I hate toeven put it, but Ben is their
rock.
Ben is like you know.
He makes everybody feel alittle bit better.
He's carrying Franklin aroundin his hand.
He's just the great guy.

(38:55):
He's like the great best friendof the friend group.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
That's like you're the best of us, like you really
are, and you can still see thathe has some misgivings and
regrets about his physical state.
Yeah, it's just not really toldto us.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
No, but you can, but I think that's the true strength
of ebn.
Mas bakrak is as as ben grim asyou can feel it.
You know a lot of hisphysicality, a lot of his
emotions and you know a lot ofthe, you know tone of his voice.
You can feel that pain and youknow it's a pain that just, it's
never gonna go away.
He's the only one that was, andreed talks about he's like you
were the only one that wasphysically effective.

(39:30):
Like you can, like the rest ofus can, turn this on and off.
Like I can't, but like I lovehow, this far in the future, ben
came to terms with it.
And like I love and we're gonnatalk about pedro pascal last,
but I love how, like reed's mindonly goes like I, like I did
this to you and ben's like, likewe do, it's been four years
like I'm, I'm fine, yeah, and Ilike the fact that he's not

(39:51):
treated as like a freak by likethe people either like mascot
he's like, but yeah he's beloved.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, people walking around there they got their
masks, like their thing masks,which is which is cool.
And then, yeah, I mean we'lltalk, we can.
We'll talk about the other twoin a second.
I just want to pivot to the twoantagonists.
First and foremost, juliagarner incredible, oh, she was
awesome.
She was awesome.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Just portrayed everything that you could want
out of a silver surfer in termsof like that, cold stoicism is a
brokenness to the silver surferas well, and like that cold
stoicism is a brokenness to thesilver surfer as well, and I
always talk about it Like someof the best comics you can read
are silver surfer comics,because they really capture it.
I mean, donnie Donnie Catesreally did a great job at it as
well.
Jay Michael Straczynski does agreat job at it, or did a great

(40:40):
job at it, like when the silversurfer deals in this, like job
at it, like when the silversurfer deals in this like you
know, existentialism of theisolation, of like you're the
final survivor, and then, on topof that, you're doing the
bidding of, like you know, ofevil.
But it's not evil, it's it'syou know, it's benevolence, it's
you know, it's the universe,nature.
It's nature like, and they dida really good job of treating

(41:00):
galactus as a, you know, as anatural disaster yeah, she.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
You know, behind the, the cold stoicism of the silver
server you can tell just basedon just her expressions.
There's this kind of justmourning in that character that
I think she just portraysmagnificently and, like silver
server, has one of the bestaction sequences in the movie,

(41:27):
probably the highlight actionsequence of the movie.
To be honest, you take 2001.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Gravity for that one shot they were just doing.
Interstellar for the shot.
Like the S-series of the shipshots, like the mounted camera
shots that they actually shot,which they did.
The Excelsior one was they hada 13 foot miniature.
Miniature that they actuallyshot, which was really awesome.
Interstellar 2001,.
Gravity.
Like they took all the bestsci-fi movies of all time and

(41:56):
they just did it in that scene.
It was absurdly insane.
She starts a black hole.
The hour of that movie is justlightning.
It is so good.
Good.
Like the first 30 is like thefantastic 4.
The fantastic 4.
Like I love the approach thatsequence there is.
Like it's money.
Like that is such a greatsecond act action sequence.

(42:17):
But Julia Gardner is phenomenal.
Ralph Einison yeah, yeah thatvoice it's.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
How is that even real ?
It's tremendous just the way hejust is.
I don't know.
I don't know how else to say it.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Dark side is like he is.
He's a force, he's just apresence, like he.
And again, like I love theapproach where you know he talks
about himself being older thanthe universe.
Like he, you have all the comicisms of Galactus, but again
there's this isolation.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh, we'll talk about the comic isms in this movie
because it's the main.
The main solution that'sdevised in the third act is the
most comic booky solution toanything.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I think I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And I love that.
I love that.
Yeah, but Galactus.
Yeah but Galactus.
Yeah.
I mean, just I love this ideathat he is trapped.
Yes, and that he's like aprisoner to his own hunger.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
There's a narrative, there's like a thematic through
line of being trapped, becauseobviously Ben's trapped the way
they are, the four of them aretrapped the way they are.
The four of them are trappedthe way they are the most
impressive one, I think.
That played from a characteryou know, arc lenses reads,
trapped in his own mind andeverybody else has to feel the
wrath of that, especially Sueand you know.

(43:39):
Going on to Sue storm, I meanit's, it's, it's.
I thought when I saw it, when Iwas going into the movie, that
was going to be the mostimpactful performance.
It's a close second.
It is a close second.
That speech she has in the atthe end of the second act is
phenomenal, phenomenal.
Vanessa Kirby I believe they'regoing to really utilize her
going forward in the MCU as well, too, as one of their pillars.

(44:00):
Like to your point, you saidthat before like you better kind
of prop her up as much as youcan.
She is incredible as Sue Storm.
She's not, you know, she's notused as a sex symbol, she is, no
, not at all.
We might have learned.
She's the most powerful memberof the Fantastic Four.
She's incredibly powerful.
She is incredibly powerful.
They all are incrediblypowerful.

(44:20):
They really showed that likethe things literally carrying an
entire freight freight shipjohnny's soaking up like an
engulfing fire.
Sue, we'll save it for a second.
Yeah, sue does somethingabsolutely insane and reed he's
smart.
He's smart, he uses the stretchybits, and yeah and periods, but

(44:41):
they do the best thing that youdo with Reed Richards.
That's not his power.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, I mean Vanessa Kirby.
Just she runs the gambit ofemotions throughout this movie.
She does a great job of beingnot just the mother to Franklin
Richards but really like the momto the other two, To Ben and
Johnny.
There's that funny bit whenthey're kind of talking like

(45:07):
about stuff and she just likepops in like what are you guys
talking about?
Like jesus, yeah don't do that.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, these characters aren't dull, these
characters are.
No, they bounce off.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
They all bounce in, like in a way that the first
iteration and obviously thesecond iteration, like those
other movies, they never reallyfound the dynamic of the four of
them together if that makessense, yeah.
It always felt like, especiallyin the first two Fantastic Four
movies.
It always felt like Reed andSue, ben and Johnny Mm-hmm,

(45:38):
whereas this one they kind ofplay like musical chairs with
each other.
Reed and Johnny have a couplescenes.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I really appreciate that Cause that's usually the
one that falls through the whiteside, the most, reed and Johnny
have some scenes together.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Ben and Reed have scenes together, sue and Johnny
have scenes together.
Like they really like I said,they kind of musical chair it
and really like let these actorsbounce off of each other in a
way that I thought was reallyeffective and I think, you know,
in more ways than one, she kindof drives the narrative forward

(46:13):
.
For a lot of these scenes, likewhen, when she, when she is
angry, the team is angry, whenshe is calm, the team is calm,
you know what I mean?
Like it's really, it's reallyinteresting how that, how that
dynamic plays out.
And again, vanessa kirby likejust perfect, just outstanding.
And then you know, last but notleast, just outstanding.

(46:37):
And then you know, last but notleast, maybe the most divisive
casting in recent memory for acomic book movie was pedro
pascal as reed richards.
Yeah, and man, was hephenomenal yeah, I I'm.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
This is gonna go down as one of my favorite providing
.
You remember when I got out of,like I feel like we were all
buzzing about different things.
I was specifically buzzingabout how, in my opinion,
incredible that Reed Richardswas, and it's kind of simple for
a man that's mind is so complex.
It's very simple, like his mindis his greatest asset and it's

(47:08):
also his worst enemy, and I'venever seen it portrayed in live
action that incredible.
He truthfully, like the way hismind works, is so
five-dimensional.
But that's also the problem isthat he sees everything.
He sees absolutely everything,to the point where sue's like
you know, sometimes you're,sometimes you know I do not like

(47:28):
you for your mind, like you are, you are a bit you know, for
lack of a better term evil.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Like you the thoughts that you let run through your
head and like, and one inparticular which we'll talk
about, is kind of chilling, yeah, at one point.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yep, he is.
He's cold a bit, but he's alsowarm when he needs to be Like.
That's why you get Pedro Pascal.
It's like it's the same reasonyou made him Joel, because when
he does the bad things, that'sstill Pedro Pascal.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's just funny.
It's funny how the world works,like I mean, this guy is
freaking and everything.
You know why he's in everything.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Because he's really good.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yes, he's really good at this acting thing.
It turns out and that's nodifferent than this Like he it's
, it's great.
The performance is great for amultitude of reasons.
One it's great because he knowsand maybe this is more of a
directing thing than an actingthing but they know when to pull
him back, yes, and to not makehim the focus of the any given

(48:30):
scene.
Like they know, it's reallyjust between him and Sue.
Like they play that kind oftug-of-war game like all right,
who's like?
Is she leading the scene, is heleading the scene?
And they never really step onone another, which I really
really appreciated, you know, tothe point where, like it would,
it would have been really easy.
Much like the first couplefantastic four movies like to

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make the plot center around himand make her kind of like the
support to him, but it neverplays across that way.
They really do play like thetwo leads of the movie together
and driving the plot forwardtogether.
Right, and they share I don'tknow 90% of the movies.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
They're in it probably man, he's so good, he
is so good as Reed Richards, andyou know we can just.
I guess we can just kind ofjump into spoilers as well too.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, you have any last, I don't know, I mean final
thoughts would just be.
I mean, I just think thatpeople just need to and I hope
Marvel does the same like justdrop this idea that all of these
movies are going to make abillion dollars.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
I mean it's.
A lot of this comes from thenew age that we're living in.
Everything wants to be shortform.
That's part of it.
You lessen a film's run time,you can get more plays, which in
theory gets you more money.
You know what also gets youmore money Making a dang good
movie sometimes, and obviouslyit sucks because Marvel's best

(49:54):
two movies in recent memory havebeen the last two movies that
they put out and they didn'tmake as much money as the crappy
movies that they put out in thelast in the last few years.
So it's tough, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
It's tough but at the same time, like I hope that
they just realize like this is,regardless of what happens
money-wise, like this is whatpeople want.
Right and granted, I knowdeadpool and wolverine made a
billion dollars, but that'sbecause of what it was.
It was this, it was in a.
It wasn't a spectacle in termsof like avengers, like being you

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know 100 million characters andtying together but it was.
It was a spectacle in the sensethat, like, these were two
actors that people have beenclamoring to see together on
screen for years.
Right, and it served as thishomage to the Fox X-Men movies
and all this other stuff thatwent into Deadpool, wolverine.
I would say Marvel probably hasthree bankable billion-dollar

(50:46):
properties the Avengers,spider-man and funny enough
Deadpool Wolverine, but Iwouldn't expect any of their
other properties to broach abillion dollars.
No, beyond those threeproperties, no at this point.
No, I mean unless like whatever, unless it's not gonna happen,
but unless they did like anotheriron man movie, which no but

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this is not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
The only in an x-men movie is not gonna crack a
billion, unless it's like anadventure versus x-men which is
not going to crack a billion?
I don't think so, unless it's anAvengers versus X-Men, which is
a, you know, a terrible,massive movie.
You're not making a billion,they're just not going to.
It's Avengers.
Doomsday, avengers, secret Warswill both make a billion
dollars.
Spider-man probably will also,I think this new Spider-Man will

(51:29):
, especially if they give aglimpse at Doom at some point,
not attached to the spider-manmovie, but like to get people
ready, like I do truthfullythink that that movie's gonna
make a billion and again, that'swhy I personally think they
added the hulk into that movieand you can just I mean they
talked to these reported at,however long ago that kevin
feige literally consulted withgareth edwards on like hey, how

(51:51):
do we drive the cost down onthese movies characters?
yeah isn't it crazy how itdidn't feel like they were
spending trillions of dollars onthese movies up until, like
maybe like iron man 3, like youcould start to really really
feel it, like the movies didn'tovertly feel like these, like
insane three, like indiana jonesum, the last indiana jones

(52:13):
movie where it's 400 milliondollar budget.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Ant-man 2, ant-man, quantumania I think the budget
was like $300 something million.
Like this fantastic Marvel 4movie looks spectacular and it's
like a $200 million movie theThunderbolts is.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It's always going to be my example that the
Thunderbolts is one of the bestlooking Marvel movies.
But it's not the best lookingMarvel movie because of all this
other visual.
It not the best looking Marvelmovie because of all this other
visual.
It's the best looking Marvelmovie because they have a
definitive cinematographer.
They have a definitiveproduction design.
They were doing most of thestuff practically.
It's almost insane when youfilm make, you get good results.

(52:46):
Shackman, he was film makingminiatures he was using.
He put Ralph Einison in thedang suit.
He built all those sets thatthey were using.
That's actual filmmaking.
Like the Thunderbolts andfantastic four are like
different sides to the samefilmmaking coin where, like
one's using, like you know, theGeorge Lucas and the Stanley
Kubrick approach and you know,one's using like the eight 24

(53:08):
cinema approach, like we'regoing to do everything, lower
budget, all practically a lot ofhand to hand, like, and the
other one's like, no, if we'regoing to do this, we're going to
make it feel like a, like aclassic sci-fi film, which this
movie is a sci-fi film.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, and I guess that's the last thing I want to
talk about before we jump intospoilers is just the world of
this earth.
Eight eight to eight classic,say that again.
Oh man, the first, theretrofuturism stuff.

(53:40):
Just it's like scratching intomy brain that like you didn't
know he had.
Yeah, it's just like this is Itold you I, I think you know I
kind of buried the lead, butlike I told you, like I don't
think I stopped smiling fromlike the like during the first
hour of the movie.
I was just, I was, it, did the,it did the avatar thing for me.
Like it teleported me to adifferent world and I was in
like from like, from, like theword go.

(54:01):
I was, I was in and I haven'tfelt that from a marvel movie
since.
Probably guardians of thegalaxy, like the first guardians
of the galaxy movie, did thatfor me, where and I mean not to
say like all these other marvelmovies black panther also did
that to me too, but there wasalso an ellen black panther.
Like it still takes place onearth, even though, like you
know, flying into wakanda is oneof the coolest, unbelievable

(54:25):
moments in the mcu.
It's unbelievable.
And this movie did that type ofthing for me, like it did what
guardians did.
It did what like that specificsequence in black Panther does.
It teleports you to anotherworld, which I mean.
It is another world technically, but it's still.
That's the thing you have toremind yourself about.
This, too, is like it's stillearth, but it's it's even beyond

(54:46):
that.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
It's beyond, it's the Ted Gilbert show, it's the fact
that they're you know they'reon these live presentations and
like that's where it's funnyenough where.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
That's where the realism comes from.
Reed richards is doing this andwe'll talk about when we talk
about the end of the movie.
He's doing this.
Bill nye, the science guy.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
He's like, bill nye, like rolled into one of like you
know he's like this guy, that'slike he is like you're like
lead scientist to like thepublic, like he's the one that
like he's like a scientific mrrogers.
Yes, yes but I, but you, made agreat point before this movie
came out and they executed itlike that's his front face it's

(55:26):
all it's all fake he's cold, notfake, but it's, it's it's a
performance, yes, that he putson.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yes, he is, he's a bit cold, he's a bit.
This isn't a spoiler, becausethey released a scene online.
That's why it's so jarring forthe audience Not the audience,
but the crowd, the reporterswhen they get back from the
Galactus mission and they'relike whoa answer us this, are we
safe?
And he goes are we safe?
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, because his brain is computating.
It's not his brain, doesn't?
His brain wasn't dealing inemotional intelligence, he
wasn't in p.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
He couldn't be in pr mode at that point.
He was just reed richards, andthat's why everyone was like
what did he just say?
Like miss, like mr.
That's like, if mr rogers likeyes, mr rogers like hey, mr
rogers, is everything okay todayand mr rogers is like no, like
mr rogers is like is there aglobal pandemic coming out?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
and he's like maybe and you're like what?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
no, don't say that, what do you mean?
So, yeah, the world isfantastic.
I can't stop, I can't stop it,I can't stop myself from saying
it, and I just love the factthat, again, like the first five
minutes, they put online, likeI just love like, boom, here
they are.
This is what they've done, thisis what they're about.
Then here you go and we're offto the races.

(56:40):
I love that.
So, yeah, I mean.
That being said, we can jumpinto spoilers.
The plot of this movie isgalactus is coming to devour the
earth, but he, upon meeting thefantastic four for the first
time, realizes that sue storm ispregnant, and pregnant with a
very, very gifted baby.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah.
Well, he realizes that thatbaby has the power cosmic and
like inside of him.
So he's like, hey, that kid'sgonna take my place and you're
like, excuse me.
He's like's like, no, that kidwill do what I do, he'll be good
.
I love it because that adds theonly layer of humanity you need
to Galactus, that he's likehe's tired.

(57:22):
He's tired, I'm tired of this.
Grandpa, I do not want to dothis.
Everyone in this movie is tired.
He just I mean for lack of abetter term.
He, he just I mean for lack ofa better term.
He just wants to die at thispoint.
He's like I need to be releasedfrom this.
I'm in hell.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I'm constantly hungry .
You ever been hungry?
Yeah, imagine being hungry allthe time, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
He said I just ate a five course meal and I'm still
hungry.
I just ate Saturn, butNeptune's looking scrumdiddly.
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I'm sick of it.
I love the steampunk element ofthe world ship.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Oh yeah that was a cool little design choice.
It did feel very 60s to it aswell too 60s depictions of
things like that.
I thought it was prettyinteresting as well too.
It felt alien.
It felt alien to the time.
So, man, when they get thereand he opens it like no, no,
it's not even when his eyeslight up.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I was like, oh my God , he's cooking.
Yeah, and again, the voice likeRalph Einiston was the perfect
choice, because when he talksyou listen.
I think Ralph Einiston evensaid he doesn't speak, he
decrees.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Which I thought was a great way to describe it, and
he's just like look, if you giveme your child, child, I will
spare your planet.
Yeah, which, as far as galactusgoes, it's as good a deal as
you're gonna get sure, becauseusually he doesn't negotiate.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
No, no, no, galactus doesn't negotiate with ants.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And and he did and I just love, I, I love the.
I just love the faith that thepeople of earth have in the
fantastic world yep, whenthey're like all right, we're
gonna go up there, we're to showGalactus a thing or two about a
thing or two.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
That's a big part of the comic-isms of this too, of
like this is a comic book worldLike this is Superman.
Share that world, Everybody'slike well, you guys can do it,
it's a space race.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Everyone's like yeah, here they go, like we're all
gonna take off from work.
And why wouldn't they?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
believe it if they're the only protectors on that
world.
And they defeated red ghost.
They defeated every singlevillain mole man, mole man.
They defeated mole man, moleman.
By the way, man paul walterhauser that's not the last we're
gonna see of him either.
I, I love this little like spatthat he had.
Like him and reed rich are likethey are.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
They just don't like each other, and not in a rival
way, no, there's just somethingabout each of them that they
just don't.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
It's like the biggest reaction I got out of.
Reed and his son was in mortaldanger in this film.
Oh yeah, when he called themout yeah, why I oughta.
Oh, he should have had a good.
Why I oughta?
And she was like gentlemenRelax.
And Paul Walter was likewhatever you say, ms Richards.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
That was great.
I really enjoyed that.
But, yeah, I really like thefact that they're like all right
, we don't know what thisgalactic is about.
We're going to go up there andwe're going to take care of it
of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I love the hubris too because, yeah, in their mind
they're like we haven't lost yetwho's this area to lose.
Now and then they get up thereand they're like it's immediate
too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, it's immediate.
Like when they see galactusthey're like holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Well, I love the, I love the prelude to it and it
being silver, even silver surfergets there and they're like
she's a bit of an issue.
And then they get togalacticactus, they're like, oh,
and like that must've how.
It must've been how it feltreading those comments at the
time, cause they had, you know,dealt with these earthly threats
and then, well, excuse me,that's the thing, too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
that people have got to understand about the
fantastic four is like.
People are like why are theynot saving Galactus, to be like
an Avengers level?
I'm like here's the thing.
Here's the thing you got thefantastic four.
Even though there are only fourof them, they are more capable
than the Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh yeah, but together a hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
There's a reason why there's a reason why there's a
thousand X-Men, there's a reasonwhy there's 400 people in the
Avengers and there's a reasonwhy there's only four people in
the Fantastic Four.
And the only time that they addanother person in the Fantastic
Four is when it's Spider-Man orShe-Hulk or Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Wolverine is in every group.
Yeah, he is.
He gets the time to shine.
Wolverine is always there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yes, but there's a reason why the Fantastic Four
are just four of them.
It's because they just the fourof them can handle a threat
like Galactus Right.
Like the Avengers were notwould not solve the Galactus
problem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
No, they didn't have anybody that smart.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
They wouldn't have anyone who would decide what if
we just took the Earth and movedit to another dimension?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Oh, that was insane and I love the approach, bill
nye approach.
That's like if bill nye said weall need to mask up and make
sure we wear our mask and we'regonna get through this pandemic,
everybody's like all right.
I didn't believe that part foronce.
You know what?
If you're thinking about the60s optimism, I would believe
that the entire world would bandtogether to do it, except for
latver.
Guarantee you.

(01:02:12):
Doom said if you guys turn offone light tonight, I'm going to
lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Just because I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I just want to give Reed Richards grief Don't even
think about turning off thatlight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Again, like the Superman did this too.
That resolution of we're goingto teleport the Earth, huh, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Perfect, teleport the earth.
Huh, yes, perfect, that's acomic book.
That's a comic book solution.
That is a 60s comic booksolution.
That's like when you're lookingup like on watch mojo, like top
10, craziest comic feats of alltime.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Like what superman like grabs like a rope and he
like ties planets together andhe's swinging planets around
like that.
Like reed richards was like wecould just teleport the earth,
everybody was like, all right,yeah, great he did wartime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I need all the boys and girls to grab as much scrap
metal as you can.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I loved that, that little sequence.
Yeah, it's like the littlemontage of like the earth
working together to build thesebridges, to teleport.
What was black panther talkingabout?
Like they just we're just gonnabuild like these bridges across
the world.
And look, reed richardsteleported this egg across the
room, so why can't he move theearth?

(01:03:20):
Yeah, I love johnny too is likedude, you moved an egg across
the room and now you want tomove the whole blacked out the
entire block when you did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I'm sure you want to teleport the entire earth.
And reed's like well, I'm thesmartest man that's ever.
You know what?
This is a Reed Richards that, Ibelieve, is the smartest I yes,
this is, you know, one of thecool little things that they
added, like how of an inventorhe is.
Like he's just built.
He's like did you build thatcrib?
I built it.
I built three other cribs.

(01:03:55):
You can tell he's a bit, youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Up on himself.
No, no, no, you can tell he's abit.
Yeah, yeah, he is, but it's fun.
So yeah, so yeah, sue'spregnant.
We've all seen the pregnancyreveal scene.
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Galactus incites the pregnancy.
Galactus is like skip twomonths Baby's coming now.
You're like huh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I love because it answers one line that Galactus
has.
That answers a ton of questions, Because Reed obviously is Reed
.
He can't help himself.
He's running 100,000 tests onthis baby every day and Reed's
like he doesn't have powers.
He doesn't have powers andGalactus is like, no, he has
powers, but he's so advancedthat he's hiding his powers from
you and reads like nah, I'm thesmartest man alive yeah, and

(01:04:39):
galactus is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
And you know what I love how smart reed is.
Reed is even so smart tounderstand that.
Galactus is so old thatintrinsically he's just going to
be smarter than I am, becausehe's experienced way, way, way
more than I have on differentplanets and different solar
systems and he experienced thewhole previous universe like I
don't.
I it's just an experience thingat that point is which is

(01:05:02):
giving him, you know, the leg upon us.
He said it's gonna take me adecade to try to figure out his
physiology any way to do this.
Like what, if we sacrificeFranklin's this, who's like huh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
yeah, that's.
That's.
That's the moment right.
There's a couple moments inthat second act where, like, the
mask comes off of reed richards, and one of them is one of them
is the scene where he's talkingto franklin in his lab and he's
like you know, most fatherswant their children to grow up
to be like them and I don't wantthat.
Most fathers want theirchildren to grow up to be like

(01:05:35):
them and I don't want that foryou, because I'm a horrible
person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I'm a horrible, terrible person that does
horrible, terrible things.
I mean that scene where hedoesn't snap at Sue.
But it's before them and youcan feel the tension, especially
with Johnny and Ben.
They're like oh God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well, it's like the kids, when mom and dad are
fighting, you're like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Sue's like.
I can't believe you would evenSue, and this is part of why
their relationship is so strongand why it's so because Sue
already knew that he was goingto think about it because they
get back to earth and they'reconfronted by again by the
reporters and the predictablething happens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Where they're like we're not giving up our kid to
Galactus and the public is likewhy not One?
child, baby for 7 billion people, so they're debriefing.
And then I love how he doesn'toutright say it.
I love that it's Sue that saysit, where she's like you've

(01:06:33):
already thought about it, you'vealready kind of come to I love
that it's Sue that says it,where she's like you've already
thought about it, you've alreadykind of come to the conclusion
that it makes sense and that'swhy you suck.
And then Reed's like I can'tturn this off.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I see every.
He said I created basically apolice.
The police job is done for themso I can deal with other things
.
I think about ways to killother people before they can
kill you.
That's the only way my brainworks and that's, I think, one
of the strongest narrativepieces for Reed Richards'
character pieces is the factthat you can see why in the

(01:07:09):
Ultimate Universe he turned intothe Maker.
The only reason that he turnedhe didn't have the rest of them.
See what happens if he doesn'thave his grounding force like
his mind will go and it will goand it will go.
And I really hope because I'massuming post-secret wars
they're gonna transportthemselves to the future and
they'll just be in.
You know, they'll be in thepresent day as the fantastic

(01:07:29):
four with the avengers and thex-men running around, but Reed
will be like you'll see how farhe can fall if he does.
I just hope they really followthe Hickman run like post-Secret
Wars, where he's like I'm goingto solve every problem that
there ever and he's going to belike I have a whole new universe
to do this in.
Now I have to basically startfrom scratch and fix everything,

(01:07:49):
yeah and I love and I just lovethat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
That.
I love that he is aware of it,like usually.
It's usually it's like he'sgoing about his business and
it's usually some othercharacter that will, like come
to them and be like hey, youknow you suck for this, this
reason, right, but like healready knows that, he already
knows what his flaws are and hejust his.
His realization is like hecan't change that.
No, but he can't, you know, hecan't undo it, he can't change

(01:08:19):
it.
So he's just trying to do hisbest with it and sometimes his
best is, you know, the worstdecision.
You know, morally, butmathematically it makes sense.
And even ben and johnny arelike nope, nope, absolutely not,
we're gonna find another way.
And then meanwhile the publicis turning on them, which is
something they've neverexperienced and that paves the

(01:08:41):
way.
For you know, one of the thingsabout Sue Storm in this movie
is that she's a diplomatessentially she's an envoy for
like this earth's version of theUN, which I think is really
cool.
I think that's a really coolkind of again.
I love how comic book of thisuniverse is.
I love how and it goes it tiesinto the Fantastic Four.
It kind of actually ties moreinto like the Justice League

(01:09:05):
versus the Avengers, where Idon't know if you've read any of
those crossover comics but,like they switch Earths at one
point and the Avengers get tothe justice league's earth and
they see like the flash has amuseum and like superman has all
these statues and like, holycrap, like there are heroes that
like are actually revered bypeople.
Everybody hates us and I thinkthat would be a nice thing for

(01:09:27):
when this happens too.
Like the fantastic four get tolike the main earth and they're
like why does everyone hatesuperpower people?
Like we're kind of beloved, sofor them like it's very jarring
when the public starts turningon them and Sue Storm uses you
know, like Reed is like his mindis a superpower, but for Sue
Storm, like her diplomacy is hersuperpower and like her empathy

(01:09:48):
is her superpower, humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
humanity is really what kind of drives her.
She understands, she knows whatloss feels like.
She knows what family feelslike and I think that's the most
important thing.
I mean, she talks about DomToretto somewhere.
No, dom Toretto's like I loveyou, sue.
Sue, you get it.
Sue understands, sue, youunderstand, she understands, she
gets why it's so important.
She talks about her father, andher father wasn't perfect, but

(01:10:13):
he tried and like the importanceof family, like I had, like we
have this superhero team, butit's my husband, my brother and
my best friend.
Like this is our, this is ourfamily.
And now our son like this isour family and like you guys are
our family, the planet earth isour family.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
like we will protect you it's one of the best lines
of the movie when she says Iwill not sacrifice my son for
the world, but I will notsacrifice this world for my son.
Like we will find a way to win,like all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I sat up in my seat and I was like oof, like
she's let her cook.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
That was hard.
And then I mean I guess youknow Ben has a little side plot,
sort of that felt like it gotcut With Natasha Lyonne.
Classic Ben Grimm sat in atrench coat looking longingly at
a woman.
Subplot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
I'm glad they didn't make her Alicia Masters, because
hopefully post-Secret Warsthey'll kind of go about,
because this franchise is onlygoing to build upon itself, like
it's going to do the BlackPanther thing, where a big
portion of Doomsday is probablygoing to be in common sense of
this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
This movie does not end in a way that I thought it
was going to go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, me too, me too.
This movie ends in the 70s.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, and you know, I was convinced and the
Thunderbolts post-credits scenekind of maybe intentionally
tricked me into doubling down onthis idea that galactus was
going to actually destroy theearth.
yeah, and the fantastic fourwere going to abscond to the
main mcu earth right and thethunderbolts post-credit scene
kind of made me want to doubledown on that idea, because
obviously in the thunderboltspost-credit scene the fantastic

(01:11:48):
four ship flies in, right, butno, it seems like this, like to
your point, it feels like thisis going to be like the wakanda
thing where, like this earth 828becomes maybe a bigger part of
doomsday than we anticipated.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, youkeep this.
Kevin even alluded to as muchwhere he said like we already
have plans for some avengerscharacters to be in the baxter

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building living room, right youkeep it very simple.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
I let's just get this the third act of this movie,
galact.
So basically they can't.
Silver Surfer destroys all thebeam Great scene yeah, where
she's.
Because you're like, you'relike in the theater, like wow,
this is actually gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
In the theater you're thinking like your move, like
you're Well, because theytrapped the Silver Surfer in a
black hole Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
So you're man, that scene.
I'm going to think about thatscene for a long, long time.
That whole scene.
It's a long that scene goes, aslong they're a rival to their
departure, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
She can fly at light speed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
They're like she's still following us yeah, and
he's like all right.
And then even like it's notChris Evans Johnny's story, like
he actually locks in and he'sjust like okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
We're going to get to the scene in a little bit, but
yeah, they get there.
I think in your head, yourmoviegoer sense is like okay,
well, what's going to happen isthat he's going to transport the
earth and then some shenanigansis going to happen and you know
, she's going to come out of theblack hole right next to the
earth.
They're going to be.
She's going to be like galactus, get over here, like I'll be
there in an hour moving veryslow yeah let me heat my car up.

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I'll be there and I love how themovie is like.
Galactus is going to be here inthree days, oh shoot galactus
is driving his little world ship.
Yeah, I love how he could treatit like a Honda Odyssey.
He's just like, just driving,no like, how do?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
we and I love how.
Like yeah, so to your point,like the Silver Surfer just
reemerges, and she's, they'relike why are all the bridges
going offline?
And it's because the SilverSurfer is literally flying
around the earth destroying themall.
And you're like, oh God, she's,she's mad, destroying them all
and you're like, oh God, she'smad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Yep, she's about to get to the last one.
But Johnny, which is the?

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Go ahead.
I love this bit, I love thisbit, I love this little side
plot yeah the B plot.
That's operating in thebackground of Johnny Storm being
the only person that wants tounderstand what the hell the
Silver Surfer's about.
And I love that he just does itwhen he's working on it by
himself.
He's doing this whole thing byhimself.
He gets a recording from DeepSpace and he's like I swear to

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God, I've heard this languagebefore.
And then he has like twodistinct moments with the Silver
Surfer early in the movie, onewe saw in the trailers where he
goes up into space and she kindof gives him like the, she looks
at him.
I love that little shot of likehis face reflecting in her face
and then she kind of just puntshim off the board.
Then he tries to like get toknow her a little bit more when

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on the world ship, when theywarn him like johnny, don't use
your powers yeah, in thespaceship you're gonna burn,
you're gonna burn through youroxygen.
He's like, nah, I got this.
And she says to him in like herlanguage, like love, love yours
or something whatever she says.
And john, in like her language,like love, love yours or
something whatever she says.
And Johnny's like that wasweird, but I could have swore I
heard this language before.
And then he starts RosettaStoning based on her words, her

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language, and it culminates inhim going out when she's
destroying all the bridges andhe confronts her in Times Square
and he traps her basically withthe words of her own people and
he starts speaking her languageto her.
And it's a scene in the moviethat made me go wait a minute.

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What is going on?
This movie is cooking right nowand he breaks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
He breaks her he basically, for all intents and
purposes, tells her are yougoing to keep being this monster
?
Even though he did the exact.
Why does your world get tosurvive but my world gets to die
?
All these other planets get todie just because you picked them
out for it?
He said Galactus isn't pickingthese worlds out, you're picking

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these worlds out, so you'rejust okay with all these people
dying.
Even though you get to be, yourworld was sacrificed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
And then they do a little bit of, you know,
annihilation wave foreshadowing,when he just is like, instead
of taking, take me, let me be,let me replace you as the Herald
of Galactus.
I will do that to save myfamily and save this world and
to save you, yeah, which is likeI got chills, like just talking

(01:16:20):
about this scene Because itjust it doesn't come out of
nowhere but it's not really.
You're just not really payingas much attention to it Because,
like Johnny, this whole movieis like he's a little wacky but
like he's working on something.
Movies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Like he's a little wacky but like he's he's working
on something, but you, youdon't really, I guess you don't
really think he's actually gonnasolve it by himself.
He's gonna like walk by and belike just carry the two, and
he's like, oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
But the fact that he actually solves this by himself
and he's the one, he's the onlyone on the team that tries to
understand the silver surfer,because, like, like that's his
angle, like that's the coolthing is, like the because ben
kind of just kind of falls inline a little bit like sue kind
of has her angle on how to dealwith this, reed has his angle
and johnny has his angle.
And johnny's angle is like I'mnot gonna try and stop galactus,

(01:17:04):
I'm gonna try and get to herbecause I can understand her.
Like it's gonna read saidwhatever, it's gonna take him a
jillion years to understandgalactus, like johnny's, like I
can understand her like as muchas you want to like kind of
laugh it away, like that we hada connection, like we did
connect.
Like she spoke to me, like inher language that means
something.
It's like I'm gonna try andpull on that thread.

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And he eventually pulls on thatthread to the point where he
breaks her.
You know it doesn't feel likehe does because like she of just
is like look, I can't, I'm nottalking about this.
We see her backstory but shedoesn't outwardly tell it to
Johnny.
He's like I get it.
You did this to save your world.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Now let me take your place and your daughter which is
probably Noren Rad's daughter,is what I'm assuming this world
is.
Is that, instead of Noren thatwent, it was Shalabal that went.
And then I wonder if they'regoing to do a situation where
she meets Noren, who also turnedinto the Silver Servant.
She's like ah, gotcha too, eh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah.
So she kind of tells Johnnybasically like hey, sorry, but
Galactus is coming and if youdon't kill the child, like your
earth is destroyed.
But it's like it.
Obviously it sits in the backof her mind because she comes
back at the end of the movie.
So the world, the bridges aredestroyed and everyone's like
what are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
and reed's like we got one bridge left.
Thank you, johnny, we wouldn'tuse all.
We can divert all the powerinto one bridge and transport
galactus across the universeright, but in order to do that,
how are we going to get galactusin time square in new york city
on the entire planet and reed'slike look, reed, reed looks at

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franklin.
He's like.
She's like don't.
He's like I didn't sayanything's like I didn't say
anything, you didn't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
You didn't have to.
We got to use the baby as adiversion, yeah, as bait, yeah,
yikes, yeah.
But we're going to do the oldScooby-Doo we're going to put
the real baby in a carriage andthen we're going to swap the
real baby out with a fig baby,and that's going to trick Gal

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enough to teleport him acrossthe universe without a ship.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
So he'll be stuck out there for a real long time.
Yeah, one google years he'll beout there, we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So that works because galacta shows up and he gets
out of a ship and he's like oh,new york city, the land of
opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
He looks at the set, he looks outside.
He's like if you can make ithere, you can make it anywhere.
He's stomping about.
I love how he jumps out of hisship and just creates a tidal
wave in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Roland Emmerich eat your heart out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
He grabs the dirt and he's like, hmm Wow, it's like
me when I was a kid, looking atAnt Hill and just picking it a
little bit Earth dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
He looks at the Statue, but he was like, hmm,
you look French.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
That's weird, yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Where's my statue?
Yeah, where's my Galactusstatue.
Why don't?

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I get one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
So he's stomping through New York City and he
gets to the thing and he looksdown and he sees the Fantastic
Four.
They're like quick, quickswitch the babies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah, somebody fire at his head, or no, johnny, what
do they do?
They do the.
Oh, it's clobbering time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
He said it.
Johnny never says flame on, butBen does say it's clobbering
time Does he not say flame on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
He does Not, once the doll says it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
The little figurine says it in the cereal, which is
funny.
So, yeah, they do a little.
They fall one step short ofputting together a giant rope to
trip Galactus in.
Oh my gosh, which is what theyshould have done.
Yeah, galactus falls over.

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Yeah, so they do.
The old baby switcherooGalactus gets right to right in
front of the spot that he needsto get to, to teleport him, and
he's like you guys switched thebaby, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
There's no baby here.
I have the power cosmic youidiots.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
You thought that was gonna work.
So he uses his Galactus visionto look at the backseat building
and he sees the baby there.
Galactus has heat vision.
He has like heat, like Infrared, infrared vision I guess Part
of his powers.
Very cool, he sees the baby andherbie's herbie.
What a gem.
We love herbie.
Yeah, thought bad things weregonna happen to herbie, but they

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didn't.
Yeah, couldn't do it.
Herbie was like oh, galactus iscoming, shuts the shut the
windows, yeah start singing tofranklin and galactus is like.
You thought a metal shutter wasgonna stop me.
That would have been funny ifit did.
It was made out of vibramium.
He smashes through the building, grabs the baby.
He's very delicate with thatbaby, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Yeah he's like come on, come on, dog, you better
take my job and he's leavingwith the baby.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
And that's when the fantastic force spring into
action.
Everyone start, reed startsusing his, everyone's using
their powers johnny and wolf.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Oh no, he does the covering bit because he throws
ben into the atmosphere just toshow how incredibly stupid
strong Galactus is.
Yeah, and Johnny has to go gethim.
Johnny brings him back down.
He's like do the thing, dog.
He's like I don't want to Do it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
It's close, cannonball Thing.
Cannonball into Galactus,knocks him backwards.
Galactus is like whoa, ouchGalactus is dead.
What Ouch Galactus said?
What the hell did I just gethit?

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
with yeah a rock.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Literally, quite literally, got hit with a rock.
You got hit with a space rock.
Reed Richards is doing allsorts of stretchy.
I don't know what he's doing.
He's stretching around, butGalactus got him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
He's about to snap him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
He rubber bands him.
Galactus was smiling, yeah,when he was pulling reads like
this is fun, I like this, yeah,johnny's throwing fireballs not
working, not really working, andthen hell hath no fury.
Like a mother scorned, yeah, ora mother about to lose her
child because sue storm decides.
What.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
if I was a multiversal threat, yeah yeah,
what did they say in X-Men 97?
Omega level threat detected?
Yeah, it's the same bit.
Diplomacy only works for solong before you gotta get those
hands dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yeah, she decides to start going to work.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Literally just starts pushing Galactus back.
You think the first punch islike all right, well, everybody
got a little hit in.
And then she hits him with thesecond wave and you're like
you're sitting there and you'relike she's not that strong, is
she?
Then she hits him with thethird wave and I'm like is she
that strong?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Then she hits him with the last wave that pushes
him right into the she's pushingyeah, she's pushing Galactus
back and she's like it's takinglike a toll on her and it's
clearly this is something likethey know she's capable of,
because even Reed is like don't,don't, like you're pushing
yourself too far, like this iscrazy what you're doing here.
Then Ben kind of helps out.

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Ben knocks a building down.
He runs through the supportsLike a line like Derrick Henry,
Him and that robot from thecreator would get along.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah, man got the ball in the backfield and said
I'm gonna get some yardage.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
He runs through some pillars, the building, galactus
gets hit with a building andthen Galactus is like whoa, and
then Silver Surfer comes back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Galactus, sue does it , sue pushes him through and
everybody's like, yay, turn thebridge on.
Yeah, turn the bridge onBridges.
Turning Galactus is like psych.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Psych.
He thought this bridge wasgonna stop me.
Galactus is coming back throughand they're like oh God.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
And Johnny, again, annihilation away from the
Hickman run.
He's like, Johnny's like I gotthis.
I'm gonna just give him onegood old fire punch and he's
back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Super Sonic punch baby and guess what?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
And guess what, what's the line he says?
He said tell Frank his uncleloves him.
He's like, no, don't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Joseph Quinn.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's hissecond heroic sacrifice that
I've seen him in a movie, but itwasn't a sacrifice because
Silver Surfer said I'm goingdown with him.
She flies in, crashes intoGalactus, they both get
teleported.
God knows where Galactus willreturn in 500 million years,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Or in a movie coming near you soon.
Can't imagine he's too thrilledwith the Silver Surfer.
No, because they're both on theother side of the universe and
he's probably looking at her andshe's looking at him.
He's like, hmm, that's going tobe side of the universe and
he's probably looking at her andshe's looking at him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
She's he's like that's gonna be an hr meeting.
Yeah, do you think galactus hasan hr department or is it just
a silver server?
He has the hr department, sothat she's gonna have a, she's
gonna have a talk.
Yeah, yeah, she's gonna have a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
She's gonna have a sit down with him, did you think
?
Did you think we could havehandled that any differently?
Is there something else wecould have done there?
We're going to dock your pay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Instead of you torpedoing into me and
teleporting us both to the otherside of the universe, Because
where are we and the surfers arelike?
Well, I have the surfboard thatlets me fly at light speed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
So I'll see you.
And he's like don't you evendare, don't do it, don't do it,
I'm going to do it, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
So Galactus is gone and unfortunately for Sue Storm
that little bit, she professorX'd herself.
Yeah, she's dead, she's dead.
Yeah, rip, she dies.
What did you like?
I've seen the cats whereAvengers doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
This isn't going to work.
She was one of the first chairswe saw.
Actually, was she the firstchair?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
No, Chris Hemsworth was the first chair.
She was the second chair, yeah,but I mean they do, even though
, like our comic nerd brainsknow she's going to come back.
They do really a nice job oflike building up that drama.
Oh, she's dead and you're like,oh shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Like how's this, how's?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
this gonna work yep and baby franklin's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Like I want my mommy, yeah I want, I want her and
yeah.
So franklin brings her back.
Her eyes light up, the same waythat peter quill's eyes lit up,
and guardians too.
That's the power cosmic baby.
That's reincarnation.
I'm not allowed to quotejonathan magis.
That was a specific producer.
Ask of me.
I can't quote Jonathan Mendesanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
So Franklin, yeah, Franklin unveils himself I guess
, for lack of a better word likeouts himself as a superpowered
being Right and brings Sue Stormback to life, and all's well,
that ends well, all's well thatends well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
The Fantastic Four are doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
They're back on the Ted Gilbert show they're trying
to make the Fantastic Five athing.
Yeah, and Reed and.
Sue say no no, no, no, it'sdumb, no, this is stupid.
We get a really nice fun bitwith the three men trying to get
Franklin into a car seat in theFantastic Four.
And they can't crack it.
Reach your hand around.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Johnny, I am reaching around.
He said Ben's like my hand is.
I can't fit my hand in there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
And that's how the movie ends.
That is so good.
The movie's amazing, Like Ijust think.
There's really no other way toexplain it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I mean, it's the performances.
These performances are greatand that's all you can ask for
as like that.
Should that should be like.
You know, it's something youcan consider a bare minimum, but
it's it's tough to do still androom for them to grow and
develop.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
All four of them have have room to grow and develop
within the confines of of themcu and within the confines of
their own stories.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
That being said, Pedro Pascal is going to be the
main character of AvengersDoomsday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
If he's not it's criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I will just tell you right now that that is the
smartest choice that Marvel cando is have him be the main
character.
When we talked about it, wewere like it's getting real late
and we do not know who's goingto be the main character.
It's him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
It would be gross negligence if this movie comes
out and he's not how it, who itcenters.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
You play off.
What you do in that movie justto get the Avengers is because
that's the name of the movie.
Is you just?
You just deal with him, or youdeal with this.
You deal with the splitAvengers and you make them want
Avengers.
That's all you do.
They're probably going to havea fight in the beginning.
You deal with the fantastic youfeel.
You deal with the fact thatDoom is from that Earth.
That's how you get theFantastic Four into this

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conflict and you're like againyou made a good point outside
the theater.
The Avengers are going to belike.
You look exactly like Iron manfrom a different universe.
You must be good in theFantastic Four, like nope.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Yeah, we have to talk about that.
Nope, we have to talk about thepost-credits scene.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
It was him right.
That's what they said.
That's what Matt Shackman said.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Yeah, it was actually so.
Yeah, before we get into anyAvengers stuff, there is two
post-credits scenes.
The one at the very end of thecredits is a fun Fantastic Four
cartoon, which I think you saidit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
They should just make that, yeah yeah, disney Plus,
like just do a few episodes ofthis Fantastic Four cartoon.
You saw they were actually inthe black and blue suits.
Like they actually filmedsomething in those black and
blue suits.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Yeah, I think it was like yeah, a lot of the
flashback-y stuff, Well, Jackmansaid they cut a ton out of that
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
But he was still happy with the final edit, which
sure.
But he said they cut a lot outof that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
But the scene that everyone is buzzing about and
was interested in is the firstpost-credit scene which takes
place Four years, another fouryears after.
Yeah, yeah, it's 71, I thinkit's like 1971.
Yeah, so we're still.
We're now eight years into theFantastic Four being a thing.
Yep, and Franklin's a littlebit.
He's a toddler now.
He's reading Darwin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Well, he was reading a baby book and then he's just
like he's like I want my.
You know, I want a differentbook.
And he's like put the CharlesDarwin away.
You could tell he's.
He's an absolute super genius,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yeah, and then she turns and she picks up this
other book and as she's walkingback to to the Sue storm we're
talking about, by the way, asshe's walking back to Franklin,
she has this look on her face.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
You hear some like a warp of, like somebody just
transported into the room.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
And lo and behold, there's a cloaked individual
holding Franklin and showing him, kind of showing him his mask.
It's Dr Doom.
That got a big reaction.
Yeah, because just it answersand both presents a lot of
different questions.
First and foremost, it answersthe question of dr doom being

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from their earth to keep it todon't overcome.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
This is the easiest way.
You just have dr doom be from.
It's the easiest way to getthem in contention with each
other.
So a bit that they didthroughout the movie is you see
the un and latveria, because suegot the entire world on board,
latveria was the only countrythat didn't have a
representative, obviouslybecause they have one monarch,
which is dr doom, and he saidheck, no, no, I'm not going.

(01:31:28):
Nope, I hate, though.
I hate reed richards.
I hate reed richards.
I hate the way that you talk.
I hate you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
So yeah, it confirms that.
It seemingly confirms that theyknow each other.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Yes, because she didn't pretty intimately.
Yeah, she didn't react like, uh, who are you?
She reacted like, oh, yeah, sothat's, that's interesting.
Like we said, I think shackmandid say that that was robert and
he also said that the russosdirected that scene.
He didn't Same thing as theThunderbolts that the Russos
have, been that they directedthe last two post credits.
Maybe they should have done theBrave New World one, because,

(01:32:01):
wolf, we're going to forget thatone.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, that is, that one was rough.
So, yeah, I mean it opens up awhole lot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
And then, like I said , it opens up a whole lot of
other in the sense that, like,clearly he's been, he's been dr
doom for a bit yeah, at leastfor my head, canon, I feel like
they dealt with him not dealtwith him early, but like he had
a plot, like him and reed kneweach other.
And again, uh, robert downey jrand asia pascal are similar in

(01:32:31):
age.
Like they're not.
They're a few years apart fromeach other.
So they're similar in age.
Obviously you're talking aboutthe greatest character actor to
come out of the MCU and probablythe most famous actor in the
world right now.
Like all intensive purpose, I'mjust I'm envisioning that
Secret Wars, alex Ross coverwith the two of them and like
the entire multiverse collapsingaround them.
Like that's how you're going toapproach it.

(01:32:53):
Like you got lucky that thiswas the last you know big, not
multiversal movie, but moviethat had to deal with.
Like characters that will goout into the multiverse at some
point, like before doomsday.
Because I think Spider-Man isgood, because that's more of
like a studio thing to have thatbe the last movie before.
But yeah, you just just make itrock.
Just don't overcomplicate this.

(01:33:14):
That he's from a different,different, no, he's from their
universe.
They dealt with him already,not dealt with him.
He's just like all right, I'mjust going back to my area
they're familiar with him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Yes, we're familiar with him and they're familiar
with how dangerous he is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Yes, and Reed's like this is the only person that
gets remotely close to me and Ido not like that.
So for him to transport what Ithink I mean we can kind of
theorize for doomsday.
I mean how I would approachthis you may be, cause you got
to do something where Thanosbeat the ever, ever loving

(01:33:45):
daylights out of Hulk, got tofind a way for him to like kill
all the Kangs.
Like that's the immediate, likekill all the Kangs and take
control of the TVA is probablyhow he starts.
And I was watching Deadpool andWolverine.
I was like you can probably makea case that at some point he
took the control of the TVA awayfrom Kang.
So that way he's like he hasthis, like this you know

(01:34:08):
omniversal fighting force behindhim that just does his bidding,
that kind of deals with theRaboom Malal stuff from the
comics.
Like he has this like forcebehind him that can basically
just bring you and send you, youknow, to a place you can never
return from.
Like you can deal with allthose things.
You get Paisley Pascal andRobert Downey Jr right against

(01:34:29):
each other.
It deals with the maincharacter issues, because it's
Paisley Pascal is going to bethe main character.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Because I think that the Avengers are also going to
look to him to be like well, ifyou dealt with him before, well,
I think, yeah, I mean, I thinkI think what likely happens is
doom probably gets to the mainearth first.
Yes, and there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
I don't think he gets to the main earth first.
I think he gets to the x-menuniverse first.
I just that's been the biggestquestion I've had how do you
weave in the x-men to this, likethe og x-men into this?

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
yeah, yeah, I mean that's always been.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
My question too is how does this, unless he wants
somebody from the x-menspecifically I think it would be
magneto.
Yeah, like why would I?

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
don't know that's the thing.
But again, like, based on, like, the casting of those original
x-men characters.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Like, you and I are of the same mind that it's going
to be a similar x-men universe,but not the actual fox x-men
universe I wonder if they'regoing to do a situation where
that universe is like the onewhere they all died, like the
one that you know obviouslydeadpool and wolverine made a
billion dollars, like it's.
That universe is x-men, wherethey all are, they're all comic,

(01:35:36):
accurate, like something elsehappened.
Or, like you said, an adjacentuniverse where it's x-men 97.
That's the team they wantbecause it still legitimizes
channing tatum being there asgambit and get you know, and you
could still bring back annapaquin to play rogue.
Like you can have all the ogx-men right there they're just a
bit older.
Like you can still legitimizeall those things.
And then it's like he comes, hecomes to them and he's just

(01:36:00):
what I would assume wouldprobably work.
Is that the first and the firstincursion would be probably the
x-men universe.
That's how you immediately getthem into the story because
they're like they find a way tosurvive.
And they're like what?
Because beast from the end ofthe Marvels.
That's probably the universe ofthat X-Men.
Whatever X-Men we're going tosee in Avengers, doomsday, it's

(01:36:22):
going to be from that universe.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I don't think they're going to
mess around with there being twodifferent X-Men universes.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
It's just going to be like a very fully realized
version of the X-Men.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Which is great, yes, yes.
The only reason I would sayDoom should get to the prime
earth first, before theFantastic Four, is I feel like
there needs to be some sort ofcontention between the Avengers
and the Fantastic Four, and thatwould be a natural thing for Dr
Doom to get there and somehowsome way recognize that Tony
Stark was like a thing, not athing, the thing and use that as
a way to appeal to the Avengers.
And then, when the FantasticFour show up, they're like

(01:37:00):
that's not who you think, thatis, like that's Victor Von Doom,
like he's from our Earth, andthey're going to be like what
are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
I wonder if they like find a way where, like
Professor X, reads somebody'smind and he's just, like you
know, like we realized, tonyStark was adopted.
Tony Stark wasn't the son of,you know, of Maria and Howard
Stark, like you know, bloodrelated.
Like he was adopted fromLatveria when he was a baby and
we took him.
And they took him because theyreally they got red sun Superman
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Howard took him because he realized how smart he
was and because weren't peoplesaying, like in avengers endgame
, the timeline doesn't match upbetween his birth, because even
tony looks confused when he'slike my wife's expecting and
tony's like something doesn'tseem right.
So or it can be the vice versasituation where, like in this
universe, like the starks wereat the starks, the starks turned

(01:37:51):
into the von dooms instead, andthat was just the way that the
world went for him.
So so he you know the startlike the Von Doom lineage, just
stayed in Latveria instead ofgoing to America and turning it
into Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
There's going to be some natural contention between
the Avengers and the FantasticFour and then eventually,
somewhere maybe it's like aShuri type like gets to see
Avengers and is like no, he'sactually like ridiculously
smarter than all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
And everybody's looking at Trurie like no, no,
no, you're the smart one.
And she's like no, no, no, no,no, like he's like, he's
disgustingly smart.
It's almost like a power likeof how smart he is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Yeah.
That's the fantastic first steps, yeah and I mean it did a lot
of things really well and Ithink it just got the ball
rolling in a positive way forAvengers.
Because I think now again Ithink they'd be foolish to not
try and build this thing aroundPedro Pascal and make him kind
of like the main character andthen, just like I just have a

(01:38:57):
feeling based on maybe it'sprobably a secret wars event,
but I can't help but thinkthey're gonna do iron man versus
doom at one point yeah, you'reprobably gonna go throughout the
multiverse and like get like avery comic bookie looking
version of the original avengers, yeah, who go against doom and
it's, like you know, showdown ofthe of the millennium between

(01:39:17):
the two of them.
Robert Downey Jr versus RobertDowney Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Break the Internet situation.
The two of them fighting eachother like that, that's it right
there.
Like the invincible Iron man,like the fully most powerful
version of Iron man, fightingagainst Doom instead of Reed and
Doom.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Like yeah, I mean it just feels like they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Yeah, I mean, that would be the only thing that
makes sense.
Like they devise a plot to goget the Avengers.
I don't know what machinationsthey're gonna make to get there
for for Secret War, I don't knowwhat's it.
Because Secret War I don'tthink.
I think Disney understands.
Do not spare one cent on me.
If the budget needs to be 500million, we're gonna make 2
billion anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
It does not matter yeah, I think it's gonna be the
most talked about thing to everhappen in a movie theater ever I
think they're gonna run backthe avengers endgame plot in the
sense of like, hey, we're gonnarevisit like endgame.
To like we're gonna revisit allthese old things to like get
the infinity stones.
But like in saber wars, it'sgonna be we're gonna go get
these.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Oh, like other characters like go to like sam
raimi's universe, like go tolike singer's universe, like,
yeah, we're gonna hop all aroundthese different universes and
like see, like kind of like how,like the, the, like the end
credits of deadpool andwolverine yeah, and the song,
like it's gonna feel like thatthey're bouncing around all
these other universes like lookat us, from blade to avengers,

(01:40:35):
secret Wars.
This is our lineage of what wewere able to create over all
these years?

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Yeah, because if Kevin Feige can be believed, he
basically said after Secret Wars, they're going to restart the
MCU.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
It's just going to reset.
The Fantastic Four will be inthat universe.
The X-Men will be as if theX-Gene was always a thing in
that universe.
The Avengers will be as if thethe x gene was always a thing in
that universe.
The avengers will be a thinglike.
I wouldn't be surprised if theyrecast iron man.
No, I would.
I would hope that they would.
Yeah, I'm in captain americaand thor, but like it's still a
continuation of the universe,still so, like some characters

(01:41:08):
will still like.
Tom holland will probably keepplaying peter parker, but like
you know, you're gonna get a newcaptain america.
You're gonna get like a.
You know you're going to get anew Captain America.
You're going to get like a newIron man.
You're going to get a new Thor.
I wonder if I think ChrisHemsworth will just keep playing
Thor.
I don't see it Probably yeah,you might get a new Hulk out of
this, like they're going toprobably remix, like how they
did the Avengers, because theX-Men are going to make it

(01:41:32):
easier that they're around and,like now, you can try to dip
into some new characters.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I wonder if you take another shot at kang in like 12
years you know, what I mean,like you take a different shot
at them yeah, this is a lot, of,a lot of interesting moving
parts, and I think we even saidlike coming out, like I think
everyone needs to like justrelax about the robert downey jr
thing.
Like I think he's gonna bereally good as dr doom, like I
don't.
I don't foresee that being anissue.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
What did we just see?
He made 500 million dollarsplaying iron man in the mcu yeah
, disgusting that is.
And then he just said what if Igo one in oscar?
And then he's like you knowwhat, I still love the game, I'm
coming back, man that theyreally have an opportunity to
get him and pedro pascal likehead to head against each other.
Like man, they really have anopportunity to get him and Pedro
Pascal head to head againsteach other.
I remember that was one of thefirst things I said walking out

(01:42:21):
of the theater.
They figured out the maincharacter thing.
You got it right there and yougot it through.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Probably the most famous actor on the planet right
now and let them have a realdialogue and a real battle of
ideals.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
I want to see how.
You know what would beinteresting, if Reed somewhat
agrees with Doom's perspectiveon things, for him to be like.
I could see that Well, it's usor them.
Which one do you want to havethis be?
And imagine it's the X-Men,like the X-Men we were growing
up watching on the other half ofthat, and you're like, whoa
wait wait, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
That could be not for nothing.
That could be like the firstkind of opening of doomsday is
like it opens on that, like herconfronting doom, and reed shows
up and he's like what are youdoing here?
He's like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
He's like this isn't something that is about us, it's
about everyone, and noteverybody on this planet,
everyone on every single lastplanet.
Yeah, he's like I can save them, I need you.
And reed's like well, what areyou thinking?
And sue's like nope, nope, nope.
And I guarantee you guess whathe's probably gonna say I need
this boy if we're gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
And reed, sue's like absolutely not and then they're
gonna have like a remix of likethis movie where, like he
doesn't say anything and shelooks like you're joking right,
and he's like and like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
I do think they're gonna do a version of the
illuminati where it's gonna bepedro pastel's read you know
you're gonna get.
You think they're gonna get ablack panther.
I mean, what you can do is justmake a cherry, just keep it
simple and make a cherryprofessor actually get you'll
get patrick store dr.
Strange.
It'd be interesting if Doom wasthe last member of this

(01:43:58):
Illuminati and this like forwhatever they're trying to do.
That would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
But yeah, I think, the more I think about it, like
that could be a great kind ofopening for Doomsday, where,
like Reed and Doom are like, noton the same page, but like Doom
is like, hey, this is the onlyway we can save our universe.
Is if you kind of listen to meand we kind of put our heads
together and reads like I mean,you know not.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Yeah, like these incursions are going to start.
Once they start, they will notstop and, like I guarantee you,
she's probably going to be likewhat did you do?
Like what sorcery did you do tocollapse the multis?
Like I didn't do anything, it'sjust the way of the world, I
didn't do a thing.
Because you're gonna think, likethe century's probably gonna

(01:44:40):
have a plot piece to this.
Like I wonder if, like, there'sgonna be a plot where, like
they realize, like dude's sopowerful to the point where,
like sure he's like we gottafigure out a way to sever the
sever the void from the century.
Because, like you're our bestshot at beating him, I guarantee
you, the members of thethunderbolts, you're our best
shot at beating him, I guaranteeyou, the members of the
thunderbolts are going to belike, hey, we got the solution
right there.
And bob's going to be like,well, I can't do it.

(01:45:01):
Like I can't do it, oreveryone's going to die.
Like we need him.
Like I'm going to be reallyinterested to see how this is
going to go yeah, yeah, I did,and that's what this, you know
it's part of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
On top of being its own really great standalone
movie, it got the gears turned.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yes, in a way that none of these other previous
movies have gotten the gears toturn, and that doesn't happen
without these performances, Iwill say thunderbolts, got me
going a little bit in the factof, like the new avengers, like
they were dealing with it, likethis is like you know, and again
the contention point of likewait doesn doesn't Sam also,
isn't he going to also try tomake a version of the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's just damning a bit by
not knowing who it is.
Who the Avengers?

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
are, and it's like you had Shang-Chi out there
since 2022.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Right now it just feels like Sam is in his own
Avengers.
It's Sam and-.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
And Joaquin Torres.
Yeah, sam and Joaquin, that'sit.
And Joaquin Torres.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
And Joaquin.
That's it.
We have no clue who like.
Yeah, sure, the Thunderboltsare quote-unquote butting heads
with the Avengers, but we don'tknow who the Avengers are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Yeah, they got to figure that out very quickly,
because even from the set chairs, like who is it going to be?
Because Thor's probably goingto come back for Loki, because I
think what's going to happen isDoom's going to realize I need
to kill Loki and Doom's going torealize I need to kill Loki.
Doom's going to be like I haveto go kill a god to become a god
, so I'm going to go after him.
And we said that early, earlyon, I think, once we knew this
flipped.
I think we always had thatthought that Kang was going to

(01:46:26):
go try to kill Loki to try togain control back of the
multiverse.
But then we realized once itswitched to Doom also that's
probably the best emotionalpoint right now from the
characters is probably Loki andThor.
Like that gets Chris Hemsworthright back into the fold,
because Loki's going to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
I think, I truly think, that Brand New Day, being
right before Secret Wars, isgoing to find a way to get Hulk
back up to like everyone's goodgraces, like Savage Hulk.
I don't know how you do it, butyou got to figure out a way to
do it.
You have an Avengers team thatSam can lead.
You just got to put themtogether.
You just got to see themtogether.
There's no reason why we can'thave Sam Joaquin Shang-Chi, sam

(01:47:09):
Joaquin Shang-Chi, she-hulk,captain Marvel I'm trying to
think of characters that wehaven't seen before, like on a
team before.
You probably get Ant-Man, whichyou showed what I just said,
that's kind of your Avengersright there.
At least it's a team Not crazyformidable, but obviously the

(01:47:32):
new Avengers come with sentrybag to them.
So you're like this is good,but also we can't use them.
So I guarantee you that's goingto be applied out of this movie
.
It's like, hey, we have thesingle most powerful character
right here, but we just can'tuse them.
We got to find and figure out away to use them, because this
guy from this other universe isturning into a god and that's a
big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I don't know man, I, man,
I, I don't know.
I really like this film, like Ireally really really like this
film.
I still think thunderbolts gotfor me.
Personally, thunderbolts got itdone a little bit more.
I it's again.
It's one of those things whereit's like you can't put it a
finger on it, like thunderboltsto your point, scratched and
itched for me.
I didn't know that, that movieis like you know what that movie
is like.
You know what a movie is likemade like it's made for the
general audience, but you thinkit's made for you, like the

(01:48:21):
thunderbolts was made for me no,yeah, I think I mean that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yeah, I think they're both really, really great.
I think they're both more thandeserving of kind of like being
that upper echelon of mcu movies.
But yeah, this movie, yeah, itgave me that and invoked that
feeling that I really haven'tfelt since Guardians of the
Galaxy, which is incredibly highpraise for a movie like this.

(01:48:46):
So I mean, that's it, that's itfor us.
We're kind of we're in our, Iguess, like descending altitude
from this crazy summer, sothings are going to open up
quite a bit.
So that's going to do it for usthis week.
Descending altitude from thiscrazy summer, so things are
going to open up quite a bit.
So that's going to do it for usthis week.
You can follow us on Twitter atProjectZionF underscore pod.
You can follow us on Facebook.

(01:49:06):
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That's the Project.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Infinite pod.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Thanks.
You can follow us on YouTubeand TikTok at the Project
Infinite podcast Next week.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
I don't know, we don't know for sure, we'll have
to figure it out.
It could be an AvengersDoomsday thing, it could be a
Star Wars thing, it could be aDC thing, it could be a movie
review of some kind.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
It could be a game, something.
The calendar opened up a littlebit for a little while here,
which is nice.
We'll think of something, we'llfigure something out.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
So for me, from the here's, the thing, From the Hmm,
is Moon Knight going to be inthe new?

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Avengers?
No, no, he's not.
We're lucky.
We're going to get anythingfrom him ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Insane it had Oscar Isaac right there, like willing
to do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
And the Ben Grimm of the podcast, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
It's fantastic.
We love Ben Grimm, his littlebeard he got a beard.
Yeah, he did get a beard A rockbeard he did get a rock beard.
He had a lot of subplot withNatasha Lyonne, who's not Alicia
.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Masters, she's a woman named Rebecca Sure.
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
We will see you next week for something.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Until then, goodbye Peace.

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