159 - Ranking the Infinity Saga: From Iron Man to Endgame - The Project Infinite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Infinite Podcast.
Go tell your friends.
It's the Infinite Podcast, myGod, it never ends.
It's the Infinite Podcast withRob and Court the Cube.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey everybody and welcome back to another episode
of the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom, from
movies, comics, tv shows, videogames.
We got your covered.
I'm Rob.
I'm here, as always, with courtin court.
This is an episode that is 17years in the making.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, the MCU has been running for almost 17 years
.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh no, it's been.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've been longer than 17 years now.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we're gonna, we'regonna dive into the MCU and we
are going to make our definitiverankings of all these MCU
movies from from best to worst.
This is, this is the list.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You can follow this list on letterboxd.
Oh, I will have it on myletterboxd for now, so you can
go to c cummings 22 he'sself-promoting.
Yeah, and that's going to be myletterbox, that's fine, and
then I will make us a channelletterboxed, okay, and then we
will do certain lists, certainthings like that, so you can
follow that way too.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, we'll have some fun that way.
Yeah, yeah, this is we need tohave like our own individual
list, but I thought it'd be funto just kind of get together and
kind of debate, discuss andcome up with a consensus how we
feel about these movies thathave been going on since 2008.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Insane.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, so we're just going to basically go in release
order and go from Iron man allthe way to Fantastic Four.
We're not including the TVshows or anything like that.
That'll be a separate list at aseparate time.
So we're just going to do themovies and, like I said, said
it's the definitive list.
So if you don't agree, that'stough.
Yeah, you just.
You're just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Ours is objectively correct, right kevin feige hired
us to make this list.
Yes, yeah, we're, yeah, so he'sgonna hate where I put ant-man
quantumania on this list I can'twait to get to some of these
other ones because it's gonnaget.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
it's gonna get heated this is gonna but before that
we do have a little bit of news.
So D23 happened.
Not a lot came out of D23.
There was a lot of Secret ofAvengers things, but nothing
really crazy.
They did round out the cast forStar Wars Starfighter.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yes, I think they're really excited for that movie
and they really think thatmovie's going to perform, and I
think what they're going to dois build.
I think they had another planfor what the post Skywalker era
was going to be and I think theygot lucky by signing Ryan
Gosling.
They were like wait, can wejust build the rest of the new
franchise around him?
And the answer might be yes.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, so this is the Ryan Gosling led Star Wars
Starfighter movie, directed bySean Levy, opposite Deadpool and
Wolverine.
Fame and the cast and Cheeverby the dozen too yeah.
And the cast got rounded out.
So we have added, along withryan gosling and mia goth and
others.
We've added amy adams and aaronpierre were probably the two
biggest names that were kind ofadded to this cast.
We don't know what the rolesare going to be or anything like

(02:53):
that, but they're tworelatively big names.
I mean aaron pierre is on theascent, certainly.
Yeah gonna be the leading manlantern show for dc, and amy
adams has been around for quitea while now, floating between I
would say that B and A tierstatus when she was at the
height of her career.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
She was as A-list as A-list can get 2016 when Arrival
came out.
That's, truthfully, when shewas untouchable as an actress so
.
I'm excited to see her in theStar Wars universe.
I'm excited to see everybody.
I'm very keen on Aaron Pierre.
I don't know why he feels likehe fits into this, into this
realm.
I wonder if they haven't placedsome smarmy imperial officer

(03:30):
with matt smith.
That's what I was thinking thatwas gonna happen.
I can see a realm where aaronpierre plays, not a sith, but he
plays somebody that has, like abattle with the force, because
I really want him to be a forceuser as well, too.
Like a really cool character.
Yeah, I wonder how much that'sgonna be a factor in this movie
yeah like the jedi's star wars,like force stuff not that this

(03:52):
has anything to do with it rightnow, but I'm calling it right
now because of his love for it.
David corn sweat's gonna play amain jedi at some point in his
career because he said what'smore important?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
probably get him for that simon kinberg thing, the
trilogy that he's working on,and it'll be like after the
skywalker I think they said thatlike that's gonna be officially
episode 10.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, you just first kinberg movie yeah, you just get
david corn sweat to do roundabout the same thing I would.
I mean, it depends like I don'tknow how much stuff he's gonna
be doing for dc but think he'sgoing to do a lot, but he'll
still have a little bit of timeand I also think David
Cornswet's a pretty talentedactor for his.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
So I hope he gets the real cinema work as well too.
So I hope he has a nice littlebalance, but I am looking
forward to this movie, me too.
Claudio Miranda, who shot TopGun Maverick, is going to be the
cinematographer on this movie,so that's a win.
I don't think they have anybodyfor the composer yet.
I don't think so yet, if I'mnot mistaken.
I don't think so.
No, the writer has me theslightest bit concerned.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, it's the writer from what's that Netflix movie,
the Adam Project?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Which was good.
Yeah, we both liked the AdamProject.
I mean, it was a Sean Levy filmas well too, but his other work
I'm just the slightest bitconcerned about.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, screenwriting
obviously is very important, butat the end of the day, the
screenwriter also reports to thedirector, Right?
So I mean they have a workingrelationship.
So it's definitely alarming,but it's not the worst thing in
the world.
It's been how long since we'vegotten a Star Wars movie?
It's 2019.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, it's a long time.
Yeah, so obviously the lastpiece is Eva Mendes is going to
play Ryan Gosling's wife as shedoes in real life.
Also plays Ryan Gosling's wife,or should I say Ryan Gosling
plays her husband in real life.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, yeah, so that's good.
Like I said, I'm lookingforward to this thing.
I think when they announced itit was a really good signal of
you know, we've talked beforelike what we want out of Star
Wars movies and like to get awayfrom like all the force stuff.
Just do like a romp Right.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like a romp, like a rom, like a you know, and that's
what this kind of is going tobe.
Yeah, I, I think you just gotto capture some emotion, some
heart.
I think I'm curious of whenthis is going to take place.
I'm really, really hoping thistakes that it takes place after
rise of skywalker.
I'm a few years.
I'm so hoping this takes placeafter the rise of skywalker
because then you can really dipinto some lore.
Um, you can make some new lore,which is super important and
like, if this is the, if youhave these sets of movies,
because I think this movie isgoing to be successful, and then
you get whatever the kinbergmovies are going to be, because

(06:31):
that's going to be 10, 11, 12yeah, you get an actor like
david corn sweat to be theleader of a movie like that.
You might really like the starwars franchise might be back on
the up and up, because those arelike guaranteed billion dollar
movies when those come out.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I mean, star Wars is themost recognizable brand in the
world.
So if they can have a nice, youknow and they got Ryan Gosling
I think he fits perfectly intothis kind of sect of Star Wars
too, because he can play both.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's funny, he can play both Han and Luke, if that
makes sense.
Like he teeters a line betweenthe two of them, which I think
is really important.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Plus, he's got a movie coming out that a lot of
people are excited for, ProjectHail Mary.
So he's very much still one ofthe A-listers that we have going
.
And then the only other news Igot is a couple of video game
adaptation things.
The Elden Ring thing is out ofcontrol.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean it's funny because if you would have told
me a24 is producing an eldenring movie 10 years ago, but
like with the knowledge of whereelden ring went as a franchise,
how big they got, I'd be likea24 can't a afford to do that.
And they do that.
And then the shinerts madeeverything ever all at once and
I was or the daniels and I waslike, oh yeah, they can.
Yeah, that movie is probablygoing to be one of the craziest

(07:42):
films you have ever seen, yeah,so Alex Garland I love Alex
Garland.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Alex Garland.
Apparently this feels like apassion project.
He apparently wrote a 160-pagedraft and 40 pages of images.
Tell them what A24 said.
They said F yeah expletive.
He flew to Japan to pitch it toFrom Software director and
creator Hidetaka Mizuyaki andpretty much sealed the deal from

(08:07):
there.
I mean it's Elden Ring's aninteresting game in the sense
that obviously it's a FromSoftware Souls game.
But the world this felt, nowthat I'm here, now that this
movie is being made, everythingabout the development of that
game makes total sense.
They From Software went toGeorge RR Martin whole sense.
They from software went togeorge rr martin of game of
thrones fame, to create the warand world for elden ring the

(08:27):
game.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So I mean you have one of the premier world
building authors yes, ever andalex outside of tolkien like
george rr martin is a worldbuilding master and alex
garland's true power is his, themirror that he puts to the
human race.
I think that's his true poweras a director.
I mean, you see it in ExMachina, you see it in Devs, the

(08:50):
television show he made withNick Offerman, which was one of
the best shows of the 2020s.
You see it in Civil War, likethis mirror that he puts up to
you know kind of reality itselfand to the human nature itself,
and I'm really excited to seehim take this into a fantastical
realm, much like he did withAnnihilation.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think this is going to be really incredible.
Yes, there's a chance to be afantasy.
This has a chance to be a realfantasy epic.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Who did he cast the main character from Civil War.
He already cast as the maincharacter in this movie.
Yeah, callie Spaney.
Callie Spaney is going to bethe main character of this,
which is going to be awesome.
Any other actors you want tosee in a film like this?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh man, I couldn't even tell you.
There's so many things in thisgame.
I'm just curious.
I'm curious to know, because inthe Souls game the whole thing
is the boss fights are alwaysthese big spectacle events, and
there's so many of them in the.
Souls games, so obviouslythey're going to have to nail it
down.
But for Elden Ring I'm thinkingof boss fights Melania would

(09:49):
obviously have to be in and,honestly, the person I would
think of to play Melania, theblade of whatever she's called
would be an Angelina Jolie type.
Okay, and I feel like AngelinaJolie is at this point where she
could potentially do somethinglike this.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
If it's pitched the right way I mean a sublet.
And somebody that's alreadyworked with Alex Garland would
be Natalie Portman, sure Forthat same logic.
Oh yeah, and obviously she gotsuper fit to play the Mighty
Thor as well too.
I really see somebody like PaulMescal fitting into a world
like this as well, too, and,using that same logic, I can

(10:29):
also see somebody like aaronpierre fitting into this like a
knight for something like this.
I could see somebody like himfitting into this.
The actor that was in the lastaliens movie I can't remember
his name the one that played theai in the last movie he oh,
what am I saying?
Tramell tillman would be justan absolute.
I'm at the point where you puttrameont.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Hill in anything.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just supercurious.
You know they're adapting aSouls game to a pretty
high-profile movie, which iskind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
This seems like it's going to be like A24 might just
let this, because they also knowA24 knows its own power.
To put the A24 logo in front ofsomething means something now,
so like especially.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean they're also working with um kojima on the
death right.
So how I think he's doing.
I think he's just directing,correct he's pulling a james gun
.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
He's like I'll find, I'll do it myself, which is kind
of cool.
I imagine norman and rena'sfull yeah, what's her name?
Is also probably going to be init.
Why can't I remember her name?
That was in Mission Impossible,not Mission Impossible.
Yes, that was in MissionImpossible and that was in the
last Bond movie, the last twoBond movies.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And then Gears of War is ramping up.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
The.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Netflix greenlit Gears of War film will be
directed by David Leitch, whichis great.
Yes, anything David Leitch,which is great, yes anything
David Leitch does is probablygoing to be incredible, and
written by John Spates, whohelped write Dune.
Very good, both good things.
David Leitch has kind ofpitched this as a sci-fi war
movie, which makes sense becauseit's Gears of War, and I said

(11:58):
to you earlier that the biggestlayup of all time is you just
get Dave Bautista in this, whohas been banging around for
years to try and get a Gears ofWar movie made and he has quite
a bit of clout in Hollywood now.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yes, oh yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So I would imagine he would be the first call Correct
For a Gears of War movie, whichcould be pretty cool.
You know, if the productionvalue is high and they kind of
lean into like the grittinessand you know all that stuff, get
the creature designs right.
I think that could be great.
And I'm very excited for thesevideo game adaptations that are

(12:36):
coming in the next handful ofyears, right Between Fallout
Season 2, between Zack Krieger'sResident Evil movie to the last
of the Season 3.
It's just good things allaround.
So that's really all I have asfar as news goes.
It's pretty, pretty lightpeacemakers out now.
Yeah, we talked about that fora couple minutes.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Two minute drill.
Since the fall season's aboutto start, two minute drill for
us for for peacemaker.
Let's put a timer for twominutes.
Starting right, starting right,right now.
Um, really quick.
I mean spoilers, spoilers,spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.

(13:16):
I actually quite like the waythat they just got him into the
dcu you know how they got himinto the dcu.
They just put him in the dcu,they just retconned it.
They just retconned it wherethe events that happened at the
end of season one.
They just took all the DCEUcharacters out and put the DCU
heroes in, which is great.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
It's such a good like , because I thought that what
they were going to do is likeit's just another universe.
No, don don't explain it.
Yeah, don't explain it.
Don't do nothing, just just dothe.
Just do it.
Yes, yes, I like it, it's it's,it's quick, it's like, don't
over complicate anything,because he might have had it
more.
Because even if he tried tomake the dcu uh, you stuff

(13:56):
technically canon by putting itin another universe, that opens
a whole another can of wormswith a fan base.
You do not want to do that withno no just erase it.
Yep, see you later.
You later, you're cooked,you're gone.
So, yes, he's just in the DCUnow, as is bought about in
Superman.
What's his name?
Tim Meadows was probably thebest addition you could have
asked for in this show andobviously Frank Grillo is great

(14:18):
as Rick Flagg Sr.
I know he's going to have moreof like a Nick Fury-ish role,
like a Maria Hill-ish role, evenmaybe in the DCU, because
obviously they're friends,they've worked together before,
so I think he quite likes him.
So, no, the show's going reallywell.
John Cena just keeps gettingbetter and better as an actor.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, he's really.
He's delivered with thischaracter in ways that I don't
think anyone really expected.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
And it's great because, like it also, like
obviously some very disgustingthings happen in the first
episode.
So like he immediately tellsyou no, this is as R rated, as R
rated gets.
I just want to like, let youguys know, like this is the DCU,
like it's, like I'm letting thedirectors take the tone, like
that's, that's how it's going togo.
Lanterns is going to be likeTrue Detective.
Supergirl is going to be like asci-fi, star Trek epic Superman

(15:05):
.
Obviously we saw as a hopefuleveryman piece that's how it's
going to go, but they're allgoing to seamlessly interact and
they've done a good job.
That was our two-minute drillon Peacemaker Season 2.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Off to a good start, really want to see what they do
with the universe.
The show's great, continues tobe great and you know James Gunn
has teased these last threeepisodes in the season of being
like insane, which he never does, by the way.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
No, he did it for the Flash.
He did Well.
He took the studio.
See everybody relax.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Everyone did it for the Flash yes, because everybody
people were coming out of thebook.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Tom Cruise said I've never I've been in some cinema.
I just made Top Gun Maverick.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Stephen King said it was the best movie he's ever
seen.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Everybody was lying, everybody was paid to say those
things.
That was a weird time.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Anyway, marvel, yes, marvel MCU, yeah.
So I kind of talked up top ofwhat we're going to do here.
We're just going to run throughthese and rank them and debate
and discuss and come to aconsensus on how we feel about
this 30-some-odd film universe.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know what we needed.
We needed somebody that's atrue animosity mongerer, that's
like a third person for this,because we're too kind to each
other.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, we're going to be like ah, yeah, you got it.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
But we need somebody that's truthfully like Stephen A
Smith yelling at 10 o'clock inthe morning on ESPN.
That is one of the worstdecisions I've ever seen in my
life.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
All right, yeah, so we're just going to start off
top Marvel Cinematic Universe,phase 1.
It's 2008.
May 2, 2008.
Barack Obama's president, it'sa better case.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Barack Obama's president, gas is like $1.59.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So Iron man comes out .
We did an episode on Iron man.
You mean the guy that made Elfdid Iron man.
I'm not watching that.
We did a film retrospective onIron man starring Robert Downey
Jr.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
You mean Robert Downey Jr.
I'm not watching a movie withthat guy.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, starring Robert Downey Jr, directed by Jon
Favreau.
It's the first one, and I meanobviously it's number one on
this list for right now, Wowawesome number one on this list
for right now wow, awesome.
The best marvel movie, no, butiron man's great.
I mean, we, we like we did, wedid a whole episode on iron man,
you know, and it's still, it'sone of those movies.
It's it's a legacy movie, butalso it's just a good movie in
its own right, like I think itjust really holds up.

(17:15):
Even to this day I can go backand watch iron man and really
enjoy it.
So we'll see.
We'll see how, how well ironman does.
Yes, as we get into the2025-ness of this Coming out a
month after Iron man, Mm-hmm.
So for all those people that arelike I'm sick of Marvel doing a
hundred things a year, theywere doing it in 2008.
Yeah, they did these two moviesback then.
Wow, two movies in one year,Two movies in one year.

(17:36):
They did the Louis Leterrier of.
Now you See Me fame.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh fair enough.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And Fast X, Maybe our favorite movie on this channel.
We do like Fast X StarringEdward Norton, famously to be
replaced by Mark Ruffalo alittle bit later.
You and I both quite like thismovie.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I think it was more of like I didn't realize that I
appreciated things out of thismovie that I didn't realize at
the time.
Yeah, it's not better than Ironman.
No, it's the second movie.
It's the worst movie in the MCU.
Now it's the worst movie.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I do quite like Ed Norton's performance.
He brings a lot of darkness.
Yes, he really has.
You can really feel that battle.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He feels like comic Bruce Banner, like new age comic
Bruce Banner, where he's kindof like.
He's kind like fringy, likehe's like on the outskirts, like
very on the run-ish versus like.
I feel like MCU Bruce Banner isvery accepted and very like
loved, like I don't care whatthey did in like Age of Ultron.
He's still like a loving like.
Yeah, Edward Norton was like anoutcast.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Kind of an asshole.
Yes, yes, yeah, much Much likeEdward Norton in real life,
allegedly.
You know, we also get WilliamHurt obviously comes onto the
screen as Thunderbolt Ross, weget Liv Tyler, who who's the
ex-girlfriend of Bruce Banner?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
says Captain America 4.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Who would show up 16 years later, Insane, In Captain
America 4.
But yeah, I mean, it's notbetter than Iron man, which is
fine.
Iron man 2.
Iron man 2, once again directedby Jon Favreau, Robert Downey
Jr returns.
We get Mickey Rourke.
We get Next time baby.
We get, yeah, Taron Towers.
That's right.

(19:12):
Taron Towers was the first Ironman who's been replaced.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Don Cheadle stepped in as War Machine.
Great performance as WarMachine.
He's much more believable as amilitary man.
Yes, that's got a soft spot forhis best friend.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
We get the introduction of Scarlett
Johansson, natasha Romanoff.
We get a lot of Fury.
This is a lot of Avengers setup.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yes, which hinders the movie a bit.
A little bit, but I do quitelike.
And again, the last two Ironman movies suffered from the
studio being like we can't dofull send dark stuff.
The Thunderbolts hasn't comeout yet, we can't do stuff like
that.
So that's where I'm torn onthis film, because technically
this film is pretty sound tooLike.

(19:50):
This is a good-looking film.
Windlash is an okay villain,yeah he's like the first of like
the villains that are like ohno, you're kind of just there to
die, aren't you?
Yeah, Mickey Rourke does thebest of what he got.
Yeah, yeah, mickey Rourke'sstill good.
I really would have wished theydove more into the rivalry
aspect between the two of them,like the true, like you're the

(20:11):
heir apparent and I should bethe apparent heir, like I wish
they would have pulled on thateven more.
I mean Sam Rockwell is great.
Oh, he's phenomenal.
I want more of him in the MCU.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I can't believe he has never come back.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right, he should have three again.
We'll get to iron man three,yes, which it's.
Iron man three might be themost overrated, underrated movie
in the mcu, and I'll elaborateso it's better than the
incredible this movie's betterthan incredible yeah but it's
not by much.
But I think downey is so good.
It's it's because he's likeeven those, he has these
in-between moments I like tocall them in-between moments
that actors have where likethey're just ambient in the

(20:44):
moment, and like when he'slooking at himself in the mirror
before the party and thepalladium's infecting him and
he's sitting there I'm like, wow, I feel you, man, I feel this.
Yeah, I mean it's the Monacostuff is really good.
The Monaco stuff is great.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
The stuff on the racetrack is great.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Before Whiplash gets there, the War Machine and Iron
man duo fight against the dronesis really good.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean some of these when it comes down to it,
when we're kind of, you know,especially when we get to the
lower tier of stuff it's goingto come down to, yeah, but this
one person was just soincredible, and Downey does so
much legwork in these Iron manmovies to make them better than
maybe they would have been withanother actor, so I mean it's
better than Incredible Hulk.

(21:28):
So we got Iron man, iron man 2,and then Incredible Hulk.
So far Thor.
Thor, directed by KennethBranagh, marvel's first foray
into Shakespeare.
Just kidding.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Well, it kind of was.
It was like they and I thinkthat was intentional from
Kenneth Branagh.
Look, I feel like this moviecame out in a time where, like
they didn't realize you can docomic books.
Yet do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
like they didn't realize you're just allowed to
do a comic book against theglass ceiling right, but they
were a little little too afraid,yeah which the afraidness
turned into this being like awatching, like a play, like
that's kind of how this, howthis goes a little bit yeah,
this is the hemsworth is solid,he's fine, it's the worst that

(22:09):
he is in any of these movies,sure, but what makes up for it
is, tom Hiddleston is so good.
Hiddleston's incredible andAnthony Hopkins does his best.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
With what he's got.
It's the most subdued he'd been, but I still like him as Odin.
Yeah, bad villain Well, I'mtalking well right, I mean the
bad fake villain.
Oh yeah, with Laufey, yeah,it's the worst one.
It's probably a little, alittle worse than the incredible
Hulk Cause.
I'm trying to find theredeeming qualities.
This movie looks pretty, it'sit's it's it looks pretty solid.

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Thor one does I just, I justthere's no, there's no like.
I want you to give me the bigmoment from Thor 1.
Give me the like, him gettinghis powers back.
But is it better than, you know, the Hulk smash and then he's
fighting the Abomination?
Is it better than the twoscenes in Iron man 2?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is it better than the entirety of Iron man 1?
It would be between.
I mean, it's either in front ofor behind Incredible Hulk.
I think it's just a little bitno-transcript.
I quite like him explaining thespace stuff to.
Jane, that's a nice little, Iguess, softer scene.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Hiddleston's really good.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I mean, the ending with Loki and Odin is
amazing, I me.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I just think it doesn't have the scene to put it
over the top with the maincharacter.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think that's what it's missing, Like the acting
scene, where it's like I feelfor him when he's trying to pick
up Mjolnir and he can't.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Forget the introduction of Hawkeye.
I always forget that.
That's where he starts.
All right, it's the worst oneright now.
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's fine.
I wish we had like, if we werelike a true YouTube channel.
It would be like every singletime we got into a new one, it
would just like flash the theme,the beginning of the theme of
the thing before.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, so we get Captain America the First
Avenger, directed by Joe Johnsonof Jurassic Park 3.
Fame of the Rocketeer.
Fame Wow, he directed fame ofthe Rocketeer.
Fame wow, he directed Honey, IShrunk the Kids 1989.
So pretty, pretty prolific.
We're gonna like.
I want to make a point to likedo the directors too, because
you're like whoa, yes firstdirector, like it's gonna when

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we get to Thor the Dark World,the good one too.
Yep of that cast America firstAvengers.
So obviously Chris Evans isincredible.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
He's so good.
He goes right against the grainof being Johnny Storm for that
time, and it's a swing by thestudio.
The studio took two majorswings.
I mean, they took three.
Chris Hemsworth was arelatively unknown at that point
.
Chris Evans was pigeonholed bybeing Johnny Storm.
So how are you going to get acharacter that is literally?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
180?
Also kind of being pigeonholedas like rom-com teen drama Right
, he can't be serious.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And be serious, yeah, and then he was serious then he
was, then he was captainamerica and then downy jr for
all his.
You know everything you wentthrough before.
It's the second best movie.
It's right behind iron, I wouldagree.
Great villain.
I want more of hugo weavingsomehow.
Wish, I wish that you getleaving into into like the main,
like back into the mcu, as likeagainst sam wilson, and then
they do the masters of evil yeah, so he's, he's.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I mean he's really good.
He's a great, great villain.
Sebastian Stan's a good yeahaccomplice.
He's obviously not in the movie.
Spoiler alert he's not in themovie that long.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
What do you mean?
He dies?
That's how we should do this.
He dies.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Haley Atwell is great , you feel, tommy Lee Jones,
we've talked about Channel'sfavorite, tommy Lee Jones.
Incredible.
It's a Tommy Lee Jones classicand Chris Evans is really good.
He plays you know, I think,what's cool about how he plays
Captain America is you never?
It's so important that thatmovie starts and is as lengthy

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with him as Small City Rogers,because that carries his
mannerisms and his attitudecarries through from when he
transforms, which is superimportant to the character.
His personality doesn't changewhen his body changes, maintains
all that goodness of SteveRogers, love the period piece.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
It's right behind Iron man.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Out of these movies so far, it's probably got the
best ending.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh yeah, I quite like the ending of this movie
because Iron man 1's ending doesfall into it.
Starts the trap of the skybeams.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Big fight with Jeff Rogers.
But yeah, I think that's fair.
I think Iron Man's maybe a bitbetter made.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
First Avenger I love the period aspects though.
Yes, do more period pieces.
Marvel, they still gotta dothat.
Isaiah Bradley one-shot,hour-long special on Disney+,
that would go so insane.
Cast a younger actor, thatwould be awesome.
The Avengers what do all thesemovies lead to?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
The Avengers they did it, joss Whedon, who directed
this movie.
I mean this going to be aconversation that we have about
Infinity War later on a biggerscale, but this is impossible.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
the fact that this movie is incredible and it
performed too, and it's thebackbone of this universe up
until that point, and then afterthat, up until you can say this
about Iron man obviously, ifIron man doesn't work, the MCU
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
but the MCU as a work , but the MCU as a construct, as
a connected, shared universe,does not work if the Avengers
does not work.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
And it did.
It's great.
It's right under Iron man, Ithink, really Iron.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Man 1's good.
I was curious if this was goingto.
I was wondering if this wasgoing to happen the other way
around.
I I was wondering if this wasgoing to happen the other way
around.
I thought I was going to end upfighting for Iron man a little
bit harder as this went on.
But, man, you think Iron man 1is better than the Avengers?
I do.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I do.
I think it's Iron man.
1.
From a cohesion standpoint youthink?
I don't even think it'snecessarily a cohesion
standpoint.
Cohesion standpoint, you thinkI don't even think it's
necessarily a cohesionstandpoint?
It's just downy singularperformance in iron man.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
One is so absolutely electric, wow I'm trying to,
yeah, I mean, I mean one thingavengers, a lot happens and a
lot of like, just like it's alot of like cop switching going
on in the first Avengers movie.
I mean, yeah, we're talkingabout one and two here.

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We're not talking about, oh, isthis the worst one?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I can live with Avengers because I'm trying to
think of reasons why Iron Man'sbetter and I'm starting to lose
it again.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's tough, right, because Avengers gives you
Downey doing another.
Just incredible.
He's amazing.
He dominates a lot of the movie.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Do we have to put Avengers lower because of
Captain America's suit?
Is that the only reason whyit's two Fair point.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Fair gain.
I think everyone's just betterfrom when they started, maybe
except Chris Evans.
I just don't think he gets aton to do.
He's like a caricature ofhimself.
We start planting the seeds.
A little bit of him and TonyKind of like, just kind of
coming to we get Ruffalo.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah.
It's the first Ruffaloperformance and he's really good
.
He captures a little hecaptures.
It's the best.
In my opinion, he'd been asBruce Banner.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Even he'd been as Bruce Banner, even better than
Age of Ultron, which is funny tosay.
He captures the torturednessyes, like that little thing he
gives when he talks about, likeshooting himself and then Hulk,
spit the bullet out, you're likeoof.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, like the guy he can't leave.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's the most like, yeah, it's like the most
reserved he is.
Hemsworth is good.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think he's better than Thor.
1.
He gets a little more obviouslyTom Hiddleston is great.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I mean the scene with him and Tony in Avengers Hours.
See, I feel like, I feel likethis is better than I love Iron
man yeah but you're ahead of it.
The Avengers, I think yeah andagain, like it has to get bonus
points for just being yes, Imean, I guess the only knock
against it is is you know, Imean I don't think Jeremy Renner

(29:47):
gets a ton to do.
No, hawkeye and Black Widowdon't really get a ton, but it
is what it is.
Iron man 3.
Shane Black directed this.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
See, this movie has a lot of style, but this is the
first Disney movie.
This was the first MCU Disneymovie and you can feel it.
You can feel it.
I mean, obviously, there's thecontroversy that I forget what
her name was.
She was supposed to be the mainvillain of this film and then
they switched her out with GuyPearce because they were like
we're not going to sell enoughtoys.

(30:19):
Bad on you, marvel, shame onyou.
We're not going to sell enoughtoys if a woman's the villain,
so we can't do that.
Shame on you.
Keep a running track of howmany women villains are on these
movies.
They not many.
They are afraid.
They were afraid to go full.
Send into the extremist stufflike it's like the iron man
extremist run from the comics.
That's a really great.

(30:40):
That's a really great story tworeally good iron man ideas and
don't do anything with them ironman 2 should have fully
committed to demon in the Bottle, but they danced around it and
gave him a sickness instead.
You shouldn't have done it.
Make him an alcoholic, do fullsend and have him overcome.
That's how it should have went.
Have Iron man in a freakingmeeting a few movies later you

(31:01):
know what I mean.
That would mean something.
I'm a little torn.
Iron Patri patriot happens inthis movie, yeah, but that
ending is fun.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I had a lot of fun with that.
Ending the airplane sequence isgreat really good stuff flying.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, he's not flying , he's piloting the iron man
suit best score out of any ofthe iron man movies too.
The new score that they builtfor that movie was really good,
it's just I don't know, I thinkit don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I think it's better than Incredible Hulk.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's better than Iron man 2.
That's where it has to fall.
It's either Iron man 2 or Ironman 3 is better.
That's where it has to fall.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
That Mandarin stuff is it's bad, it's real bad.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
But the stylization of this movie.
That's why I come back to it.
I'm not super thrilled with thespy bit and I understand what
they were trying to do, like ifyou're nothing without the suit,
you shouldn't have it.
But not that way.
He's Iron man.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think I like Iron man 2 a little bit better than
Iron man 3.
We're going to put it up.
Is that what we're going to do?
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You're saved.
Iron man 2.
The last five movies getannihilated.
No, not there Will Be Blood.
That's not in this list.
I need Thor 2.
There Will Be Blood would benumber 1A times a billion.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
As a Marvel movie.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yes, can we just run right through Thor the Dark
World?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Directed by the great Alan Taylor.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, it's the worst one Next.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's not good, it's tough.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Next it's tough, captain America, winter Soldier
oh boy, again, we don't evenneed to go too much.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's the best one.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
The Russos are here.
We don't even need to go toomuch.
It's the best one.
The Russos are here.
Yep, what do you mean?
The guys from?
I'm just acting as the guythat's learning these are coming
out, and who's what do you mean?
The guys that did ArrestedDevelopment?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I don't want to watch that.
The Russos have showed up andthey gave us a great movie.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's the best one.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's really good.
It's the best one.
It action a great.
We're about to have some debatethis is where it's gonna get.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
This is where marvel enters just a crazy era here?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
this is not.
We might start rapid firing,which is outstanding.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
This is where me and you are gonna really have to sit
down and talk, because the nextmovie up is guardians of the
galaxy.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
This is this is, I call guardians of galaxy,
marvel's heat check moviethere's no way this works right
and then it worked the best tothey get James Gunn about doing
this movie about.
You mean the guy that directedScooby-Doo.
I don't want to watch thatPeople who have never heard of
any of these people, they get agreat cast.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
This movie is electric, it's.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Marvel's first space thing, it's electric, it's
dynamic.
It's the introduction of Thanos.
Well, avengers, technically isthe introduction.
This is the introduction ofJosh Brolin as Thanos.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's the best Batista was in any of these movies.
He's amazing.
It's the best.
Three is the best.
That Star-Lord, that ChrisPratt had been Love Nebula's
performance here as well too,and she even gets better and
better as time goes on.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Everyone is outstanding in this movie
Michael Rooker is as amazing asYondu.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm going to go purely based off the ideology of
when you're going into a movietheater and feel that's what you
want to feel, vibes.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I'm a big vibes guy.
It's one.
It's the best Marvel movie.
I've held on to this idea thatthe Winter Soldier is the best
Marvel movie, but I can't eraseout of my mind when I walked out
of Guardians the first time,thinking it was the best movie
I've ever seen it's like thefilm that I'll tell my kids.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Like, on my wall at my place I have the Guardians of
the Galaxy 1 vinyl on the wall.
Like it is, it's got the feel,it's got the rhythm from jump,
yes, from the opening seconds,the opening second, and it.
From the opening seconds, theopening second, and it's
emotional.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Those opening seconds are emotional, they're
emotional.
And then you segue that rightinto the Morag, the heist when
he's dancing, and you're in fromthere.
And then that movie.
We could sit here for an hourtalking about scenes in this
movie.
You know how.
We were just talking about Thor, we were talking about what's

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the moment.
We could do that, but inreverse, regarding the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
What's not the moment .

Speaker 2 (35:17):
There's so many, there's so many moments in this
movie that the prison stuff isoutstanding.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Man, when their score goes for the first time when
they're in the prison, I'm likewhat am I feeling right now?
The nowhere stuff isoutstanding.
Man, when their score goes forthe first time when they're in
the prison, I'm like what am Ifeeling right now?
The nowhere stuff is great.
Yep, the lore in that movie,the lore that they build from
that movie.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
That meeting is outstanding, yep, when they all
kind of cross paths for thefirst time on Xandar and you
kind of all get a feel for whatthey can all do and why they
make such a good unit, and theneven the ending is good, yes,
and that's why I think I thinkwinter soldier, comparatively to
all these other movie moviesthey're, it's pretty, it's not

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too drastically better than anyof the other third acts.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's just the emotional payoff is better and
technically it's solid.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
It has one of the like, most iconic, kind of like
endings of any of these.
When you know, ronan is likehow are you doing this?
And he's, like you said ityourself, bitch with the
guardians of the galaxy, and thescore is like ramping up like
that it gives you.
Then you throw the emotionalmoment in there with his mom for
a second and like it's a reallygood, it's a really good, it's
the best one and it's, I think,yeah now, yeah, now that we're

(36:24):
talking to it, yeah, I, like Isaid, I've held on to this
Winter Soldier thing forever,it's the best one.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's the best one.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Age of Ultron.
Joss Whedon's back.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Dang it.
Boo.
This man Not a great guy.
It's worse than Iron man.
Is it better than First Avenger, though?
Yeah, I think so.
You got good bits.
Obviously, spader is incredible.
Spader is amazing.
I love the feel of this movieNot like the Guardians of the
Galaxy how it makes you feel.
I like the way this movie feels, if that makes sense in a

(36:55):
cinematic sense.
Technically it's a little bitmore sound.
Special effects are a littlebit better.
I think this is better thanFirst Avenger.
Yeah, it's not better than Ironman 1.
So I think it falls right inbetween Iron man 1 and First
Avenger.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I think I would agree with that.
I think, yeah, spader isamazing.
It's got some cool stuff.
Hulkbuster's cool Again,everyone's pretty.
I think we're finally gettinginto what makes Captain America
great in this franchise.
In this movie we get a greatintro for Scarlet Witch.
I think Elizabeth Olsen thefoundation of that tortured,

(37:29):
horrible things always happen tothis character thing is already
fomenting.
I like Blank's lady vision.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, he just kind of shows up and he's just like
hello, so they build their teamout to 10 Avengers and then they
kill one of them, so they'redown to 9.
But then Sam Wilson replaceshim, so they're back up to 10
and War Machine adds yeah, soyeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
The other thing is obviously Winter Soldier brought
us Falcon, Brought us AnthonyMackie, alright Ant-Man, it's
worse than Replace Edgar Wright.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yep, it's worse than the first Avenger, but better
than Iron man 2.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Paul rudd is great again another villain that you
can throw away.
Another villain, even thoughwhat's his name did a good job.
Yeah, he'll be back.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
He'll be back he will , yeah, he'll be back.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I think the heist, the friend, frenetic heist,
energy works yeah, this is whenthe marvel movies really started
to dip into the genres of whichthese movies took, because like
winter soldier was the firstdip into that.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
and then, once Ant-Man hits, it's like okay,
these movies are a thing, thesemovies are in a thing I will say
I think and I think thesubsequent Ant-Man movies will
reveal this this movie had a lotof Edgar Wright's fingerprints
on it.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
The first time he changes, you can really tell.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think the supporting cast is good.
I think Angelina Lilley is good.
Michael Douglas, I think, isjust getting kind of.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
He's better in the second one but he's good in the
next and then he's the worst inthe third one.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I don't know what he becomes in the third one.
But I would agree that this isworse than I think this is worse
than I think this is betterthan this is like it's funny.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I think this movie's very comparable to Iron man 2 in
a lot of ways.
You know what's insane.
This has nothing to do withanything we're talking about.
I'm an absolute sicko becauseI'm just remembering the release
order of these movies withouteven looking at an order.
That's funny.
I have an order I don't havewas Captain America Civil War.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
The.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Russos are back.
It's the third best one now.
This movie's great, it'sphenomenal.
I mean, in any other universewhere the Russos didn't
absolutely cook for WinterSoldier and James Gunn never
signed on with Marvel, it's thebest one.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
This movie's amazing.
It is able to somehow walk thisline of it's an Avengers sort
of movie, but they still areable to root it in a Captain
America movie.
Yes, it is a.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Captain America story .
It's like how the BlackestNight is a Green Lantern story,
but it's really like an entireDC Universe event.
It's the same way.
Or like Tower of Babel is aBatman story that has all of
them.
Civil War is a Captain Americastory.
The airport fight man youremember when we were in the
theater for that?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, Absurd we were in the theater for that.
Yeah, absurd, like absolutelyabsurd, and there's people just
doing powers left and right likethis is like a comic book come
to life.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Black pit.
Introduction of chadwickboseman as black panther and tom
holland the best.
Yep, tom holland as spider-manimmediately.
Just what are we?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
like insane down.
He's great yep as theantagonist of this movie, zemo
great everything is everythingworks.
This movie works, it just works.
It's really good, I think, manthat's.
You think that winter soldieris better than this?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
yes, I think winter soldier is just a bit tighter
because the airport scene isgray.
It is a very gray scene.
I just think winter soldier isa little bit tighter.
I think all the espionage stuffjust lifts it a little bit
higher.
Okay, I think the first, Ithink the first and I think the
second act is.

(40:54):
It's funny because you end thesecond act of this movie after
the airport scene.
But if you like, rip out thesecond, like just go, just
surely, just like based offthose middles, without the big
action sequence.
I think winter soldier is justa little like man when nick fury
gets caught up that first timeand it's just on and it won't
turn, like that's the thingabout that, it doesn't turn off.
Winter soldier doesn't know howto turn yes yep again.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
This is yeah, we're parsing, we're nitpicking here
because we have to.
I think you're right.
I think, yeah, I think wintersoldier might be just like a
smidge better, but civil war isamazing guardians of the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Volume 2 is better than age of ultra whoa whoa you
skipped one wait, hold on, I gotthis oh dr strange, my bad, my
bad, my bad my bad ds don't.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, come on man.
Scott derrickson, it's a scottderrickson it is.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It was a it's got derrickson.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Isms are all over it we we keep saying this is one of
the most underrated ones.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like Dr Shane a lot .
I have a nuclear hot take, butI don't know if I'm ready to
commit to it.
Are you going to put it aboveIron man?
No, I won't, I'm going to leaveit but above Age of Ultron.
You think, yes, above Age ofUltron.
Wow, I think it's right above,because how good Benedict
Cumberbatch is?

(42:10):
He's really good, but also MadsMikkelsen is good as Kaecilius,
but also boring.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
This movie has a villain problem.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
But then they make up for the villain problem.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
This movie has a villain problem.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I think it's above Age of Ultron.
All the lore, like the mysticallore it's very cool.
It is so cool.
I think it's right above Age ofUltron.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Man, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's tough.
I'm just thinking of like.
I'm thinking of Age of Ultron,I'm thinking of Doctor Strange.
I'm going to look at Age ofUltron.
Cumberbatch is great.
It's basically like I'm tryingto fill out who's doing what in
this movie.
I really like the scene withhim and the Ancient One in the

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hospital.
That's a really come to Jesusmoment.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
When the Ancient One dies and she basically gives the
proclamation it's not about youand I'm like, wow, that's how
you set up.
It's a great character arc itmight be one of the best ones in
this universe up to that pointin a solo movie that's
encapsulated in one film yes, Ithink it's just a little bit
better than Iron man with magic,and if I'm going by that logic,

(43:18):
it probably belongs right below.
Iron.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Man Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
You know what's right below Doctor Strange but ahead
of Age of Ultron Guardians ofthe Galaxy, vol 2.
You said age of ultron,guardians of the galaxy, volume
2.
You said what now?
Guardians of the galaxy, volume2 is above age of ultron but
below dr strange.
I think it fits right in themiddle of those two films.
I think what hurts guardians 2because it's not that far off.
I think I think they got alittle bit indulgent on the

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comedy.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I think they got a bit this movie that theme is
gonna come up again when we getoff that board.
That movie is We'll talk about.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Thor later, but Guardians 2 is probably one of
the visually most stunningMarvel movies that we've gotten
as well, too, the ego stuff is.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Kurt Russell's incredible.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
He's just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Just makes you just One of the most like, hateable
villains that this universe hasever produced.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
The only thing about this movie is it meanders a
little bit the middle of thatmovie, meanders in a way that
you just don't want.
And I understand why they didit, because they want you to
feel, but, like you're talkingabout the impactful feel of what
you get out of guardians, oneyou don't get yeah, it's a
guardians one like comes out andit's just, it's just swinging,
whereas like this movie comesout swinging and then it kind of
pulls back a little bit theopening in this movie is just

(44:25):
disgustingly amazing oh, it'sincredible, like the framing,
like with group, and you'refollowing a group through, like
them fighting that monster.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
They really feel like a family.
In this movie, which I reallylike, we get yondu sacrifice
partially through it.
So you, what are we saying?
You're saying this movie is notas good as dr strange, but it's
better than age of ultra,because this movie is still good
.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's still pretty dang good.
I'm trying to think if it'sbetter than dr strange.
I just think dr strange has alittle bit of a again.
If you want to use the feel,like I, there was a feeling I
had leaving dr strange I reallylike this movie.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
It's tough.
Yeah, it's like naked, they'relike.
Yeah, they're like it's toughyeah, it's different reasons,
but yeah, it's.
Yeah, it's tough and I guess atthat point it comes down to
like personal preference.
But I'd like to throw that outbecause this is an objective
list.
Yeah, I can, I can live withthat.
Okay, I can live with that.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Thor's next ragnarok is next.
Yeah, no, spider-man.
Oh, homecoming's next.
Okay, I put Doctor Strangetwice.
No, take one off, leave it in.
John Watts, I'm going to put,I'm going to bold state claim,
because you know how much of afan I am of Homecoming they do
the John Hughes-isms which Ireally appreciate.

(45:42):
People say don't be Iron Boy Jr,but he has one of the best
scenes he does the comic panelwhere he's lifting up the two
pillars Really one of the bestscenes he does the comic panel
where he's lifting up the twopillars Really enjoy that.
It's above Doctor Strange underIron man.
I really like Homecoming.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Looking at this list, I think that feels right.
Vulture is great, MichaelKeaton was like hey, I'm good at
magic Vulture's great,obviously, tom Holland is.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
first.
He felt like Peter Parker, buthe also felt like Spider-Man.
He had the best balance, Ithink, of any of the spider-man
before him it's just a.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's just a good fun time.
Like it's a good fun time,great villain.
I like the little like.
I like.
This movie, out of the threespider-man movies that we've
gotten, has the best peterparker spider-man balance as
much much as no Way Home wantsto pretend it does, it doesn't.

(46:28):
I think this movie does a reallynice job of like, hey, here's
what he's going through as PeterParker, here's what he's going
through as Spider-Man.
And they feel as unified as,maybe more unified than the
other two Spider-Man movies,right when, like, the high
school stuff directly ties intothe Spider-Man stuff.
And we get you know, Downey hasthis great moment, Obviously

(46:48):
the one great moment.
You know, if you're nothingwithout the suit, then you
shouldn't have it.
We get you know, and thesupporting cast is great.
We get the introduction ofZendaya, we get Ned is a great
kind of comic relief, bestfriend type type deal and I just
think this movie completelyworks.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
so I would agree with that what'd you say under iron
man right?
Yep, under iron man above drstrange.
I'm ready for my next big hit,and that's thor ragnarok tiger
with cd comes.
And it's better than theAvengers.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I would agree with that.
I think this movie is reallygood.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's the first time I'd ever been interested in Thor
and you get it from a trailerthat hit.
This film got me excited in away, because it felt like a Jack
Kirby comic.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
The movie's so good it ruined the next one.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, it did ruin the next one.
The Jack Kirby-ms are all overthis film.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
You can tell they were the best time oh by far
until yeah, until we get to theother one.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It feels different, it feels fresh, it feels way
more fresh.
It feels more fun likecompletely works.
A lot of guardians isms in thisas well too, but the best parts
of the guardian isms.
I really appreciate this film.
The needle drops are great.
Yeah, needle drops are greatlike these and you talk about
the moments.
The buddy cop duo between himand ruffalo is also incredible.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
But this is where we also start to lose the the bruce
bannerification of, yeah, ofthe character he kind of just he
starts becoming mark ruffaloand that will continue, right.
But I would agree with this.
I think ragnarok's always beena really high mark for me and,
like I said, this movie workedso well that it hurts the next

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one.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And now this is where this is going to start getting
dangerous, because Black Pantherthen came out after this.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, this is where Marvel enters, like the
untouchableness From shit.
You get Civil War, DoctorStrange, Guardians 2, Homecoming
Ragnarok, Black Panther, andthen we'll get to Infinity War.
That's probably the best runthat this franchise can ever be
on.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
It's above Ragnarok, under Civil War.
There's a lot going on withthis movie.
In a good way.
Yes, it's so tough because,just to lead off with the things
that you can leave or take Imean the we also did a
retrospective on this too Right.
I mean the we also did aretrospective on this too right
the leave stuff is like some ofthe cgi is very questionable,

(49:10):
which is really disappointing.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
The third act cgi in particular.
Yeah, with, like they do, thefight on the vibranium bridge.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's so sad how like I wish they would have want more
practical, and I would, even ifthey were outside of the suits
and directed by Ryan Coogler, bythe way.
Yes, absolutely monumental,ryan Coogler, his the next 20 to
30 years of his career gonna beliteral definers of the way
that we've used you can probablypick any episode of this
podcast and in some shape orform, we're praising Ryan

(49:35):
Coogler for something, butChadwick Boseman is the best a
movie.
So good that the team up moviehad to take place in the world
that they built.
In this movie the score isphenomenal.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I mean what this movie does culturally.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yep, the highest grossing Marvel movie to that
point.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Which is crazy.
So what are you saying?
You're saying after Civil War,but ahead of Ragnarok.
I think that's probably fairwhen we get to the end of this
list at some point.
Pantheon movies of the MCU.
Black Panther is one of them.
Yep, oh no, captain Marvel thencame out Huh no, we're at
Infinity.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
War.
Now my guy.
Oh yeah, I forgot the InfinityWar.
Remember when I was talking allthat stuff about?
I know the order.
Yeah, I didn't know the orderthere's like two movies there
Infinity War, I'm just gonnashoot all the way.
It's one.
Yeah, I hate to bring guardiansunder that, but how you, how
you even begin to pull thismovie off?
It's just here's my argument ofthis against guardians one.

(50:35):
It does guardians one insidethis movie you still have the
freneticness of the guardianthere's a little bit of like
they get the guardians, likethey get their own little.
Like yeah, because it was theRusso's Coogler, john Favreau
and Gunn kind of like workedtogether four way, made this
film impossible and they made itabsolute.

(50:57):
Like Gunn wrote the lore forthe Infinity Stones in like an
hour because he was bored and hewas like, hey, can you do this
for us?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
he was like, yeah, I guess it was impossible,
everyone in like an hour,because he was bored.
And then he was like hey, canyou do this for us?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
He was like yeah, I guess it's the best one.
Everyone is as good as they are, I think, across the board.
Shouldn't work.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Everybody gels meshes incredibly, roland is Thanos.
He's a Pantheon villain.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
And you're talking about any lore of all time?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cinematiclore of all time.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
It's Darth Vader, it's Thanos.
This movie could have devolvedinto madness at any time.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You heard about the Doomsday stuff.
They're fighting on set andstuff.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's not good.
It's tight.
I don't think there's a dullmoment in this movie.
Everyone's doing something.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
It's the best that Zoe Zalzana has been as Gamora.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
You're just like you're not left wondering at any
point in this movie.
I wonder what this person'sdoing, because I feel like it's
paced so well.
They're like, alright, nowwe're going to cut back to Iron
man, now we're going to cut backto Captain America.
What he's doing, it has so manyof those iconic.
This is the first movie thatdid the theater reaction stuff.
You know what I mean.
This is where this started,where movies started becoming

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events, and you can just pickany of them Tony suiting up in
the beginning of the movie, theprelude to the Wakanda fight.
Captain America and his crewarriving on the subway station.
Thor obviously arriving inWakanda.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
By far the best Chris Hemsworth had ever been, and me
and you had been preaching tothe mountains.
They're like who should do the?
The Russos should do the.
Find a way to kick Thor, loveand Thunder out of canon and do
the actual tried and true GodButcher story with the Russos
and bring Christian Pell back todo it.
Captain Marvel it's Ant-Man andthe Wasp.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Wow, there's a lot of movies yes, ant-man and the
Wasp, peyton Reed, is back.
I don't think this movie isbetter than the first Ant-Man
movie, no, but.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I actually don't hate this movie at all.
I think this movie it's betterthan the Incredible Hulk.
Is it better than either of theIron man sequels?
I think it's better than Ironman 3 and worse than Iron man 2.
I was going to say that exactsame thing.
That's sad, because I like alot of things in Iron man 3.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
You know my complaint about Iron man 2 is he just
gets nuked.
Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
His formidableness is now demolished.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
He lost your luster.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Ant-Man, captain Marvel, worse than the
Incredible Hulk?
Better than Thor 1?
Yeah, I guess, is Thor 1 worsethan the?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
incredible hulk better than thor one?
Yeah, I guess is it.
Is thor one better than captainmarvel?
No, I don't think so.
I think thor.
I think this movie I think hasa more was better than thor one.
I think it.
Just it looks better.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I think it's a little bit tighter and I think brie
larson's really good oh yeah,despite what the haters say,
brie larson is good and thismovie jerks she's not.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
This is.
This is she's better.
She's better than this in theMarvels, worse than this in
Avengers Endgame.
Yes, because she doesn't get alot to do in Avengers Endgame.
No, avengers Endgame, she'sjust kind of there, right,
speaking of Avengers Endgame,this is.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
So this All right, so so you're talking about the
most important movie in thehistory of cinema.
Like this is like and I'm nottalking about my film bros out
there Like this is like nocitizen Kane or fricking
Godfather this is again another.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
This is infinity.
War is impossible.
This movie is the culminationof impossibility.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, it's like in top gun, maverick, where, like
they're just like we need twoconsecutive miracles to happen.
This was the second consecutivemiracle.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing, the secondact of that movie.
Go on, if Guardians 2's actmeanders, this one snail trails
all the way it meanders on theback of you just being in on
like nostalgia, yes, likenostalgia of the universe you're

(54:53):
currently in.
That's, yes, correct.
For that stake alone, it's, Ithink it's outside of the top
three.
No, it's, I think it's outsidethe top five.
Oh boy, I don't think thatendgame's better than black
panther or civil war, as much asI love that third act, as much
as the opening of that film isreally good up until they kill
thanos, like I just think blackpanther's a tighter film.

(55:16):
Civil war is a tighter film andyou're talking about a team-up
film.
Obviously guardians, infinitywar and winter soldier are
better.
So I don't, I just think it'sit's better for me.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Just think it's better than I think for me I
think it's just.
Is it better than Black Panther?
I think is where I'm at,Because I think I agree with you
about Civil War.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
You know what?
I'll agree that it's a littlebetter than Black Panther
because again, it's theimpossibility.
And all the performances aregreat.
It's the highest grossing movieof all time.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, I can't remember where that ended up
between that and Avatar.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
So something had to have worked.
Yeah, remember the buzz on thatnight.
I will never forget that.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It sounds like hyperbolic, but I will never
forget that I told you the storyabout how I got the Thanos
thing spoiled for me, right?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Did we not?
Oh, we did go together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like,because I went on the thursday,
you went on the friday, I think,and I remember like people and
I remember like, like youcouldn't walk throughout like
the theater we have near us, youcouldn't walk through the
theater.
That's how packed it was youhad to get there like an hour
early.
I remember this one kid wasjokingly saying this person died
and like people were likeyelling at them in the theater,

(56:24):
like if you don't shut up you'regonna get hurt, like.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I was in the parking lot walking in and the show
before we had walked out and oneguy goes yeah, I can't believe
Thanos died twice.
And I'm sitting there like huh,what does that mean?
And then he gets like the first20 minutes and he gets beheaded
.
I'm like, oh, so yes, I don'tlove the Thor stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I understand it but I don't love the Thor stuff.
I understand it, but I don'tlove it.
But at least they make up forit in the third act, because at
least they still make himawesome in the third act.
They don't Ant-Man to him inthis movie.
He still is like oh, trust me,I still got that dog in me.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I understand it.
I don't love the whole stuff.
No, man.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And again the second act of that movie is so no man,
which is going to continue.
And again the second act ofthat movie is so it's like
Infinity War's second act isthis absolutely frenetic bridge.
It is such a lesson in how tobridge the gap between the first
and third act, because that'sthe comp right.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
How does Endgame compare to Infinity War?
And like we said in InfinityWar, it's impossible, but it's
also incredibly tight.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Obviously Endgame has the best third act.
Yeah, endgame has probably abetter first act than Infinity
War.
Yeah, because it's likeInfinity War was starting.
You know what I mean, butEndgame, you were already in
there.
No, yeah, I would agree withthat.
But the second act, man.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, you're right it drags.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
It's how good it's like.
The moving from place to placein Infinity War Second Act is
really what gets it to be thebest film.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, and Infinity War had a bigger cast.
Yes, because half thosecharacters in Infinity War are
dead for most of the movie inEndgame and it's kind of just
focused around the originalAvengers and Ant-Man.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, I think that's fair, so five right now.
And for some odd reason theycouldn't make that the end, so
they had to make Spider-Man FarFrom Home the last movie of the
Infinity Saga.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
John Watts is back.
Leave it in John Watts.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
You know how I feel about this film.
I don't love this film.
No, you don't Careful.
I think this film is worse thanI think it's better than Iron
man 2, worse than Ant-Man.
I really do not love this film.
You know what I'll put it ahead.
I'm being a little mean, I'llput it above Ant-Man, but worse

(58:37):
than First Avenger.
That feels right.
I don't love this movie, man.
There's so many things aboutremember walking out this movie
going that was okay.
I remember we saw it together.
It was 2019.
It was literally one of thelast movies we saw too.
Yeah, that's true.
What was the last movie we sawbefore the birds of prey?
Oh, that's right.
I had a nice little movie runin the beginning of 2020.

(58:57):
I saw 1917 and I saw birds ofprey, a very underrated movie we
both quite enjoy yeah, I thinkit's pretty good, yeah, I
remember that specifically, thatspecifically, not that this has
to do with the MCU.
Is Margot Robbie going to justplay Harley Quinn in the DCU?
She should, she should.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But yeah, I think that's fair.
I remember walking out of themovie going it was okay.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I think we were like we had this wave because
obviously you're off the highestof highs with Endgame, and then
you're like that movie was afilm.
Tom Holland was good, jakeGyllenhaal was really good.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Jake Gyllenhaal was incredible.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
As Mysterio.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
But it just kind of doesn't do it.
No, there's not a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
It's the Spider-Man-ism start to fall a
little bit.
The big thing, lore-wise forhim out of this is his spider
sense has developed it Like he'slike it's really diving into
the Spider-Sense and like howMysterio plays on that a little
bit Like he just got tricked.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
That movie also doesn't lookgood.
It visually does not look good.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
A lot of green screening.
A lot of like where they didn'thave to is what I don't love.
There's also a lot of like cupswitching with like, the
multiverse stuff yes, practicalJoker, but like.
And then the next phase was allStuff.
So like they kind of like didlike a hat on a hat thing which
I don't love right.
This is where we start to lose,like.
This is where we start to losethe fury.
Yeah, period comes, he juststarts becoming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Sam Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yeah, and there's just not a lot of like.
I'm just trying to like goingto work the Rolodex of the movie
.
There's not a ton of likeMoments that like I actively
recall the best, the best moment, I think the only massive
moment for me it's the spidersense thing where he takes that
deep breath and he startscooking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
That scene I do love like even the culmination of
like him and MJ's romance on thebridge where she's like you're
Spider-Man, aren't you like?
That doesn't really land for me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I don't feel it as much as I do with like Peggy and
Steve, or and I think Noah Holm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Their romance stuff is way better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Oh, it's phenomenal Because she starts finally
acting like MJ a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, but just going down again flipping through the
Rolodex of scenes, there's not aton in there.
I do like the complaint of theIron Boy Jr thing but I do like
the Iron man callback Himbuilding the suit and they kind
of the Iron Boy Jr thing.
But I do like the Iron mancallback him building the suit
and like they kind of cut toFavreau and he's just kind of
like looking at Peter, likebuilding the suit, and he's like
all right, you're my boy Blue.

(01:01:13):
So I do like that.
But I think no, I think that'sfair Again, it's just not.
It's a very nice paint-by movie, yes, in the same way that like
ant-man is yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
So I feel like it kind of belongs in that richard
linklater taught me about filmthat film is a secret.
He taught you personally yeah,he taught me personally.
One of my favorite directors ofall time taught me personally
that film is a makeup ofsequences and moments like yeah
life is a makeup of sequencesand moments and, like you want
to talk moments, I think this isa great list, list of how the

(01:01:44):
moments make up great film.
Yeah, so, yeah, I think.
So Just shooting down the listsuper quick yes, infinity War 1,
.
Guardians of the Galaxy, volume1, 2, winter Soldier 3, civil
War 4, endgame 5, black Panther6, ragnarok 7, avengers 1, 8,.
Iron man 9, homecoming 10,doctor Strange 11, guardians Vol

(01:02:05):
2, 12,.
Age of Ultron 13,.
First Avenger 14, far From Home15, ant-man 16, iron man 2, 17,
.
Ant-man and the Wasp 18,.
Iron man 3, 19,.
The Incredible Hulk 20, captainMarvel 21,.
Thor 1, 22, and Thor the DarkWorld 23.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Tough.
Look for Thor man.
Yeah, not great, but he doeshave a top 10.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
He's got a top 10 or got a top 10 but got three
bottom, bottom threes so they'renot going anywhere no, not
bottom threes, bottom fives,because we are going to do a
part two with the multiversalsaga.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So we did what 22, 23 , 23, so we'll do 14 more next
week, starting with black widowmarvel's in the.
We're in the pandemic era, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh boy, it's going to get interesting because we have
this is like the definition ofthe spectrum, of the opposite
ends of the spectrum, becauseyou get Guardians 3 and you get
Ant-Man, wasp and Quantumadiumand those two films came out
right after each other, sothat's not great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, this, yeah, after each other, so that's not
great.
Yeah, this, yeah, that'll be,it'll be interesting, yeah, so,
yeah, that's that's gonna do itfor us this week.
We're gonna call it, call it,call it a day there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Part one and part two , much like the multiverse saga
and the infinity, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I feel like those top five are just gonna stay there
for the rest of this run no, ohno, oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I'm very, I am very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Stop that, they're not gonna stay there you really
loved Thor, love and Thunderthat much no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I didn't.
No, I did not.
That is the worst Marvel moviethere has ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
This guy loves Ant-Man and the Lost Quantum.
No, I hate that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Actually, I'll never remember when we walked out of
the theater because rememberThor, love and Thunder we tried
to trick ourselves to think itwas good and then we were like,
wait that second half was goodwas it it was alright.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Exactly the bit on the black and white world was
good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
That's it that's gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
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Era we enter, as Jonathan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Majors the best actor ever, and then is he the worst
actor ever.
You never had an opening grandclosing.
You're an opening grand closing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Don't listen to those episodes, no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
We're like, yeah, he's the best, he's going to be
the biggest actor on the planetand he was for three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
And then, dun dun, they did the Mr Incredible.
Those who know those who don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
This is tough because like, ooh, I'm really, this is
where we're going to start tobattle.
I think in the multiversal sagais when we're really going to
start to battle, on Cause, likeI got some hot takes about some
of these, some of thesemultiversal movies.
They're great.
Thunderbolts is great, that isa great film.
Thor, love and thunder is ahorrible film.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Black widow is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
We'll get there.
So that's going to do it for usthis week.
Careful man, what am I pickingfrom here?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
The Infinity Saga.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I can't say Kevin Feige, that wouldn't be right,
that wouldn't make sense.
The Anthony Russo of thepodcast I don't love it but I'll
take it.
Is he the good one?
Is he the one that everyonethinks is like?

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Should be by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, is that the one ?
Or is it the other one?
I can't remember.
There's always a joke onTwitter about one of the Russos
not being able to do anythingand the other one just does all
the stuff.
I don't know if that's true.
Whichever one is the good one,you can have that one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
All right, could have given me Brian Coogler, but all
right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
No, I'll save it.
Okay, I'm saving that for someother time.
Until then, we will see younext week for part two of the
MCU movie rankings.
Goodbye Peace.

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