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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Infinite Podcast withRob and Court the Cube.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of
the Project Infinite Podcast,the podcast covering the
infinite and ever-expandingmultiverse of fandom for movies,
comics, tv shows, video games.
We've got you covered.
I'm rob, I'm here, as always,with court and court.
We're doing a part two.
It's a part, have you?
Ever done this.
Oh, we have done a two-parter.
We did the two-parter withwhatever we paired with our
deadpool and we'll review.
That was two parts.
I don't remember what the otherpart was, but that was a part

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one.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Part two sitch but we're back with part ones and
parts twos we're doing part one.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We did part two last week.
Wait, you gotta listen to theseout of order.
No, but we're doing part two ofour mcu power rankings official
.
The objective list, our list isright, everyone else's list is
wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Correct, and that's the thing that I want everybody
to take from this is that we'rebetter than you guys.
We're right and you guys arewrong yeah, this is the official
list.
Like we said last week, kevinfeige greenlit this yes, he said
, guys, we can't figure outwho's got the best list, so we
need you guys to handle thisyeah, you nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
And then next week we'll do a list of all the mcu
lists, actuallyuaries, and thenours is first Right, and then we
just got to sort out all theother ones, correct?
So yeah, so we did theMultiversal, we did the Infinity
Saga last week and it wasSpider-Man Far From Home.
So we'll review that listbefore we get into part two,
where we cover the MultiversalSaga from Black Widow through

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Avengers Doomsday Right.
So black widow through avengersdoomsday right.
So we saw it, we saw it early,it's good, it's all right.
We saw armor wars.
Yeah, we saw armor wars shouldwe?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
should we write the rank, the unreleased ones?
What else do we got on thereblade?
Yeah, we got.
We saw blade, we saw blade wedid see blade, yep it was all
right not bad it was not bad itgot.
It got weird at the end thereyeah, when he was just like I,
he said this this is one bladetoo many.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And then I left the theater there's only ever gonna
be one blade.
And he said, hold on, hold onand then wesley snipes walked
through what if there were twoblades?
What if?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
there were two blades and then the avengers theme
started playing.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It was crazy then that weird nightclub music.
Yeah, the weird nightclub musicstarted playing at the end.
Come on, all right.
Anyway, that's a longtransition this was a long time
into the news.
So we do have some news.
We got superman news.
Yes, we do so.
James gunn has already startedworking on.

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He finished, he's alreadyworking on already working on
the script.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, he's already working on the script because he
had the straw.
I think he had the outline forit done.
He was working on the outline,so I think it's now full script
time for the superman sequel,man of tomorrow man of tomorrow.
So this film will be called manof tomorrow.
Do you want to just,gentlemen's, agree right now
that there's no shot they callthis man of tomorrow, that the
studio is going to be likeyou're going to to call it
Superman man of Tomorrow, oryou're not going to have to go
Right.
Yeah, I am looking forward tothis.

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So the pitch for this movie Imean, obviously this is the
sequel to one of my favorite twopremier movies of all time, so
that definitely helps out.
But you know, just to see DavidCorden get back into the fold
is going to be great.
The fast track is absolutelyinsane.
Sorry, steve Mouliou you, butthe hashtag for this is
absolutely insane.
It's how movies used to be.
Yeah, yeah, right, if youreally want to talk about the

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superhero movies, yes, this isexactly how they used to be.
Like you made a thing, the nextthing got greenlit.
You got two to three years forthe.
Remember when three years weused to be like, wow, that was a
long time in between sequels,three years, holy crap.
Yeah, but now this film is, youknow, two years and I I
truthfully don't think that'llchange.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think they're gonna try to really keep that
schedule tight yeah, and it alsotells me that, like you know,
he knew pretty early on thatobviously there was going to be
a sequel, so obviously heprobably already had this
rolling in his head that this iswhat he wanted to do, which is
good, like when you're a creatorand you have a vision, like of

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course, you should also befocusing on the next thing, if
that's where you want to take it.
So yeah, it's going to be like adual Superman-Lex Luthor movie,
which I also think is a greatidea, as they kind of do the
enemy of my enemy bit.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I think the biggest thing is, like it's
getting Nicholas Holt up to thatlevel as well too, because I
still think he was the mostphenomenal lex luther that we've
seen in live action so far todate.
He was absolutely incredible.
But the best thing about hislex is you can feel there's more
like.
I really think he's.
They're gonna try to work himto president lex and like and
that's the thing about thisuniverse is it feels so fruitful

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, it feels like there's so muchpotential in here.
I've actually been reading the.
I've been reading the JeffJohns Green Lantern run.
Like I have all three omnibusomnibuses and I have the
blackest night omnibus ready togo and I've I've literally
ripped off like 20 issues ofthat in the last few days and
just thinking about the LanternTV show, thinking about

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Supergirl like this universe isso rich and you can really tell
that they want to really divedeep into all this lore.
And DC lore has never beenthought about to this capacity
as an entire universe before, soI'm really excited to kind of
see where this new threat willbe.
It's Brainiac.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It's almost certainly Brainiac.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's 99.9% going to be gonna be brainiac, which I'm
very excited for and I imagine.
I mean I don't, I mean I don'tknow for sure, but I imagine
that supergirl will alsoprobably end up being a part of
this oh yeah, well, I think thesupergirl movie is going to turn
into like a cult classic, likeI think that movie is going to
be really beloved.
I hope, I really hope thatmovie performs too.
I'm really, really, reallyhoping that movie performs

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because it's it's an incrediblecomic run.
It's true grit, it's it'ssupergirl, but it's true grit
it's it's literally the plot tothat.
I cannot explain it anydifferently.
So I'm really looking forwardto that.
Clay face is starting to getsome traction as well too.
So you got clay face going on.
Like I've said, lanterns is mynumber one, most anticipated

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thing.
I just think that before Ireally thought that which I
still think that show is goingto be grounded, but I do think
that show is going to be reallybig and bombastic and bodacious.
Like I really think that showis going to really try to take a
lot of swings.
And if you would have told methat before Superman came out, I
would have said, no, they'regoing to really try to ground
this thing.
They might not even put on thesuits, but after I'm like, oh,

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they're going to do all thethings.
I think they're going to doeverything.
Yeah, I agree, because I meanyou look at budget as well too,
and you look at a show likeHouse of the Dragon.
Game of Thrones later seasonsthe Last of Peacemaker is
probably one of the bestepisodes of that show so far.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
That was an incredible episode.
I think the thing too is HBO isstarting to buy in in a way
that you want to say Disney didwith Marvel Just thinking the
same thing when they feelsomething is brewing.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yes, yep, like they've never felt before.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, yeah, I agree, and, yeah, rightfully so.
I mean, this was we comparedthis superman movie to iron man
in a lot of ways, in the sensethat, like this is this is the
launch point, like as long as ifyou nail this like nothing but
greener pastures, I had, likewe've literally, you know, this
is this feels like the firsttime, and I guess it's not a
mistake that it's also a comicbook property but like this is
the first time where, like theshared universe thing feels like

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it might actually have traction.
Yes, in a way that you know,outside of marvel, you know
we've, we've gone down therabbit hole of of shared
universes before and none ofthem have worked, which just
goes to show you how spectacularthe mcu is.
But this one feels like itmight stay, like it might stick

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around.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I mean we all know what the true definer of this
shared universe is going to beit's Batman.
Whatever, the decision onBatman will probably be the
biggest pendulum, that's goingto swing in this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's definitely a hinge point for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Because you have the two options.
You get Brandon Sklaner.
You let him play Batman, youlet him be a bit more of a
fantastical version of batman.
I don't even really want to sayfantastical, I just mean a
batman that like is in a gothamcity, that's like, you know,
condiment kings running aroundand like all these crazy things
are happening.
But like I, you know, I love touse peacemaker as the leverage

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point for that, becausepeacemaker has been doing the
most absurd of things.
But then you get scenes whereyou know his brother is like,
you know you can talk to me ifsomething's going like.
You get these super emotionalscenes and these super you know.
You know there's a lot ofrealism in even in a show like
Peacemaker as well too.
So it's like that's JamesGunn's true power, and I think
he can get Batman to have alittle bit of both Like James

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Gunn's true power, and I thinkhe can get Batman to have a
little bit of both.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's the stuff that made the Batman animated series
so great.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Right right, Superman .
You know what show I've beenwatching?
For some reason I've beenwatching Young Justice.
For some reason.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Sure, it's a great show.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Even a show like that , having that feel so lived in
James Gunn is really a studentof understanding how to propel
these characters that arealready in the universe and, you
know, redefine them if need be,redefine them in the same
universe that they were alreadydefined.

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So I'm really looking forwardto what this film is.
April 2026 is when they'relooking to shoot the batman.
Part two is also shootingaround that time I I see I'm I'm
crazy.
I still think that they'retrying to.
They're trying to decide ifthey want to.
You know who?
I think the person that theyneed to get on board is.
It's Robert Pattinson.
I think he was the.
I think James asked him andRobert said I don't know yet.

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Like I don't, because obviouslythe Batman is very different,
like it's a very different feel,but I still think you can find
a way to get, because Peacemakerfeels violently different than
superman you know what I mean.
But also it doesn'tholistically like.
It still feels like it's in thesame universe.
I just think you can find a wayto get robert pattinson's

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batman in there.
You can find a way yeah, Idefinitely, I definitely think
so or you, or you do the otherroute, you, you just get a new
Batman.
You make that.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I just think the detrimental nature of what that
does to the Batman.
It's a tough sell.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, it's definitely a tough sell, you probably
don't get a third Matt ReevesBatman movie.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
No, because you're kind of diluting your own
consumer base Because so manypeople are not not gonna be able
to wrap their minds around it.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
like there's two batman movies that's my thing,
batman running around like oneof them is violently cinematic
and not saying the other onecan't be or anything.
I just think they're gonna tryto.
You know, there's gonna be adifferent feel to I don't know.
I'm really torn on this becauseyou know, obviously the Batman
is.
Is that my I think that is myfavorite comic book movie of all

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time is the Batman.
I adore that movie in a waythat people I mean it's because
I love, I love the cinema and Ithink the Batman is probably the
closest thing to real lifecinema that you can find in the
quote-unquote comic book genre.
But to have two Batman runningat the same time is tough.

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We've never seen something likethat before that's like saying
hey, we have this Iron manrunning around, but also we have
another Iron man movie.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
It'd be like if they released the Tobey Maguire and
Andrew Garfield Spider-Manmovies at the same time.
It would just be very confusing.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Right.
Or if, like Andrew Garfield,were to get a Spider-Man movie
right now, right, you'd be likewell, we like to say this all
the time.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
People aren't like us , people aren't nerds that like
obsess over this, like they'd be, the average moviegoer would be
, so confused it's you know, andthat's a beat, a dead horse,
but like it's why the flashdidn't work, because it was too
like inside baseball, it was toocute with it, like they had
cluny show, but then there wereso many people that saw that and
they're like what?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
you know what I mean.
Like batman now, like I don'tunderstand, yeah, or?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
they didn't understand like the thing,
because they because ben affleckwas also in that movie, right,
it's like it was and michaelkeaton was in that movie, right
exactly, exactly so, like theflash is a perfect example of
why this concept doesn't work,because people were like, wait
what is happening yeah, you know, but I'm so torn because I
don't want them to touch mattreeves universe.
No I don't either.

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I think it should.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I think it should stick around greg fraser, fraser
, find a way to free yourself.
Don't do the beatles movies.
Do the bad movies.
Don't do the beatles movies.
Tell miss amandes to go getsomeone else.
Don't do it is roger deacon'sbusy.
He can do it.
He was alive when the beatleswere big cinema news.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So here's, here's a, here's a question for you.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
If it's such a wild story, I just want you to ask
the question and then I want tobe, I want to be the call of
duty producers, right?
So if you, were in charge of ofyou know I'm going to close my
eyes for this.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
A fairly fairly popular video game franchise,
the most popular video game one?
Yeah, for sure, and a directorcame to you, not just a director
.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
No, no, keep going with that.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Just say a director A director came to you and was
like hey, I'm a big fan of yourgames.
I think they're awesome.
I would like to make one.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Hey director, what things have you directed?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, I mean, have you ever heard of Jaws?
It doesn't ring a bell.
What else I mean?
All right, stupid question, warmovie, saving private ryan.
It's all right, it's stevenspielberg is knocking on the
door, knock, knock.
Here he is, and then, and thenyou, as the video game company,
are like nah pass, what ishappening?

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So, yeah, so steven spielberg,you might have heard of him.
He's apparently a big call ofduty guy, big and which checks
out, because medal of honor andcall of duty both draw a lot of
inspiration from saving privateryan.
So steven spielberg, big fan ofcall of duty, decided he would
like to do one like, like amovie about Call of Duty and

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Activision the company that ownsthe property was like hard pass
, because apparently StevenSpielberg wanted something as
crazy as full control of thefilm and final cut.
And Activision was like nah.
Instead, we'll sell these Callof Duty rights to Paramount and
let them do a thing.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
You mean Paramount?
That did Halo.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, what are we doing?
In what world does this makesense?
I just talked, do youunderstand?
I just was on this podcast lastepisode saying man, what a
great time for video gameadaptations.
People are starting to takethem seriously.
Zack Krieger did Weapons andnow he's doing Resident Evil,
which is awesome.
We talked a few minutes aboutAlex Garland, the lengths that

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he went to for this Elden Ringmovie that he's doing.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
HBO doing the Last of Us, the.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Last of Us Fallout obviously Fallout is incredible.
We got this.
Amazon's also doing a TombRaider series now that Sophie
Turner is going to be starringin.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
David Leitch is doing Gears of War, gears of War,
ghost of Tsushima with ChadStahelski.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yes, there are filmmakers doing things with
video game properties and it'sawesome.
And for the director ofdirectors, like the godfather of
directing, not even nohyperbole.
He's arguably the greatestdirector of all time.
It's just knocking on your door.
Knocking on your door.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do you understand?
I guarantee you.
There were some studios inHollywood that were like what
are you doing?
You have the greatest directorto ever walk the face of the
planet.
And you said, nah, we're good.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
We're not comfortable giving whatever he wants.
I don't understand man.
It's so strange, it's the mostbizarre, like it's.
It wasn't even like a clickbaitstory either, like it was like
major news publications werereporting on this that this
happened do you understand what?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
having steven steven spielberg brings you an
incredible cinematographer.
He brings you an incrediblecomposer along.
He brings you probably thea-list actors that might not
have signed on to this becausethey didn't want to be in IP
would sign on to this.
What are you doing, wild?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why would?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
you say no to Steven Spielberg.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It doesn't make sense .

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's like if, freaking, I don't know.
That's like if I don't know theNBA had a film.
Spike Lee's like yeah, I wantto direct this film and the
NBA's like no, no.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
No, we're good.
No, you don't get it.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, it's all right, you don't get the NBA you don't
get what we do.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, he also did Band of Brothers.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
So it's so bizarre, a call of duty movie with him
would have, would have yeah,been the greatest thing ever.
It would have been incredible.
What's your favorite stevenspielberg movie?
You had to do an episodededicated to steven spielberg.
Guy's the goat he's earned it.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
He's earned us talking about him on the
broadcast, my favorite it'sclose he's.
It's like the flash come on.
No, then when we did that Fastand Furious episode and then
probably Spielberg right afterthat, my favorite scene is it's

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tough, it's real tough.
Probably Raiders of the LostArk okay, I like.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Indiana question with a purpose of saying you just
had to battle with yourself tosay your favorite one because
he's one of the greatestfilmmakers ever Literally
changed the landscape of whatfilm is.
And a studio said nah we'regood, we're good.
Catch Me If you Can.
I think is one of the most funmovies that's ever been made.

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It's absolutely incredible.
At that stage in Leo's careeris kind of where Timothee
Chalamet is right now in hiscareer too, which is pretty cool
, but I digress.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, it's wild.
But now I want to see what thisSee, now this Call of Duty
thing is going to come out and'mgoing to be like, even if it's
good, I've been like, yeah, butimagine if Steven Spielberg had
done it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
that's the wild part imagine the guy that has the
follow up, steven Spielbergpossibly being the director.
They're going to get some TV todo this.
Now what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't know, man, who would do a good Call of duty
movie steven spielberg probablyyeah, yeah so you can't ask
this hypothetical anymore,because they had the best
possible person to do it and nowhe's not able to do it because
they said no, so it's off thetable.
Hypotheticals actually off thetable, but we did get a trailer
for a Netflix joint Matt Damonand Ben Affleck are back which

(18:48):
okay.
Together.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I asked Rob to put.
We did like a little thememusic when we do Court Cinema
Corner.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
The CCC, the triple C .
Okay, we need intro music forthat.
We'll work on that, but okay.
So here's the thing.
Here's my little thing.
The trailer looks great.
Ben Affleck, Matt Damon,obviously having this At this
point in their careers.
It's like they're doing theirDe Niro Pacino thing.
Is this only the third timethey've been together in a film?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Oh, they've done a ton of movies together.
What are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm trying to think about the big, obviously Good
Will Hunting Dogma, dogma.
Yep, the big, obviouslygoodwill hunting dogma, dogma.
Yeah, what else I'm talkingabout in like the last 10 to 15,
like when they were a littleolder, a little wiser and
half-life was making, oh I meanthe last, like not not nothing
really that recent no, like alot of the stuff that they did
together was in the 90s andthat's what I'm saying goodwill

(19:39):
hunting like they did.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
There was like a run where they did goodwill hunting,
chasing amy dogma, dogma Janand Silent Bob and Jersey Girl,
and then they kind of all took a.
They took a, I mean they workedtogether like producing-wise.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's because they got so big, like they both started
hitting A-list stratosphere andlike, so it's tough for the two
of them to work at the same time.
Yeah, what I'm getting at isthey both got back together for
a film, right?
Yeah, yeah, this film looksvery good.
The thing that is so it's just.
I just want to kind of talkabout the change in the, you

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know, in the cinema goingexperience and you know the fact
that if I would have told you15, 10, 15 years ago that Matt
Damon and Ben Affleck were in amovie, you would have been in a
cinema the second that moviecame out.
Now you're talking about theseA-list actors, some of the
greatest directors to ever liveon this planet, are now going to

(20:35):
these streaming services andthey're releasing these movies.
It's just surreal for mepersonally to see, like you know
, streaming, like with, like thenetflix tag at the bottom of
like a ben affleck and mattdamon movie.
That's crazy, that's insane.
You see de niro and on anetflix show or movie, whatever
he was in in that netflix movie,I think, where he was the

(20:57):
president, like obviouslyscorsese was on apple tv doing
his thing.
Spike lee was on netflixscorsese was.
Scorsese was on netflix doingthe irishman.
So it's like it's so crazy tosee the change in the world and
to see you know just howpowerful the world of streaming
has become.
Like you know it's, and I kindof had a conversation about it.

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The thing that I think think isthat Matt Damon talked about it.
He said the thing that used tomake us our money before was the
residuals off of like DVD salesand VHS sales and like that's
what used to drive your grossfor the rest of the run Cause.
How many DVD sales, rentalsales were you getting out of
your films Like you're talkingabout?
You know billions of dollarsafter the fact.

(21:44):
And that's just not a thinganymore because I can just log
on to HBO Max and watch a filmthat I was in 25 years ago, that
I forgot I was even in.
Like the whole landscape haschanged.
So I guarantee you what they'redoing now is they probably got
paid less back then but theresiduals carried them where now
they probably get more of anupfront pay to be in these films
.
Yeah, and it's just crazy.

(22:05):
I just it's like I just saw thetwo of them and I didn't know
it was a netflix movie at first,because I only saw the rip and
I saw ben affleck's face.
And then I clicked in and saidben affleck and matt damon, and
I said, oh, that's that's gonnaboth playing possibly dirty cops
or one of them's a dirty.
I'm like, oh, this is gonna be.
And then it's on Netflix and Iwas like, wow, man, this is
crazy, this is insane.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, it's wild, but yeah it looks good, Steven
Newton's also in this movie,tiana Taylor.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
she's starting to put together a pretty good acting
career if you ask me.
Kyle Chandler, who's going toplay Hal Jordan, which I can't
be more excited about.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yes, I mean it about.
Yes, I mean, it looks good Ithink it's gonna be good,
anything those two guys areinvolved in I'm I'm in on so and
then I mean, the last thingthat I have is we got a trailer
for marvel zombies which comesout in two weeks.
Is it cool?
It's pretty.
It's pretty cool.
It's a shame, it's like a four.
It's like a four episode, likemini thing.
They probably could have justcut this into a movie, I would
imagine.
But it looks cool, man, I like,I love, but I love what they're
doing with the marvel animatedstuff is the art style and all

(23:08):
these animated shows is sodifferent from one product to
the next, right, whether it'sx-men 97, whether it's friendly
neighborhood spider-man, eyes ofwakanda, eyes of wakanda, and
then like what if?
Obviously this is marvel zombieshas like the what if?
Art style, um, but even thatMarvel Zombies episode of what
if?
I thought it looked really goodcomparatively.
And this is a continuation ofthat episode of Marvel Zombies

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because you have the Ant-Manwho's just a head with the
flying, you got the DoctorStrange cloak kind of flying him
around, you got the one-leggedT'Challa, so it's like a
continuation of that and it'sjust going to be zombies, but
Marvel and I think that's coolSeems to be centered around,

(23:52):
basically a few members of theThunderbolts.
So Yelena Red Guardian arethere, shang-chi obviously has a
pretty big role in this, kateBishop seems to have a pretty
big role and then thor obviouslyis in this blade, is in this,
who is in this universe poweredby the power of khonshu, so he

(24:14):
kind of is the avatar which iswhich is cool.
It's a cool idea, like that'sthe stuff that they were
flirting with with like what if?
With like cool concepts likethat.
But obviously season two andthree kind of diverted from that
a little bit and made it alittle more serialized, which I
wasn't super crazy about.
But looks, looks cool, man, Imean characters doing cool stuff
, cool characters doing coolstuff that's all you need is it

(24:37):
cool?
it looks cool.
I guess the one semi-alarmingthing is that mahar shali is not
voicing Blade in this, which isa little spooky, right
Considering.
You would think, if they weretrying to kind of keep him in
the zeitgeist, that you wouldhave him voice Blade, since he
has yet to do a single thing inhis Blade besides that voice

(24:58):
cameo in Eternals.
So that's a little scary, yeah,but other than that, it looks
cool, yeah.
So I'm looking forward to thatcomes out in two weeks.
Are they doing all the episodesat once or is it they doing
them?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm not gonna lie, I hope for a show like that.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
They just do just put the whole thing on.
Yeah, yeah, just put the wholething on.
It's fine.
Any thoughts on that before wemove on?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean spider-man ripping off a whole bunch of
zombie heads that's what I meanis cool as heck.
I just love how the immediateopening of the trailer is like
no, this is, this is tvma, we'regonna have fun, and I think
that's the most important thing.
Let them live, let them havefun.
Zombie thanos is back.
A lot of lot of thanos, or alot of zombie stuff, is back.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's called the zombies.
Call the witches back.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
She's a problem.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's a balanced breakfast over there it's gonna
be like, I guess, maybe like themain zombie villain, which I
like because it's like because Ilove the whole thing of like
well, how are we gonna beat thisnow?
well, yeah, because that's the.
I mean the obviously dc hastheir own zombie thing, and the
cool thing about like both thoseuniverses is like they're
zombies but they all they stillhave their powers.
It's like how do you stop theScarlet Witch when she's totally

(26:03):
unrestrained, right?
So yeah, I'm looking forward toit.
All, right, let's do this Parttwo.
So real quick, I will go downthe list, or go up the list, I
guess, starting from worst tobest.
So we did 23 movies last episode.
We got another 14 today.
So, starting from the bottom upmovie, definitively Thor, the

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Dark World, then Thor, badshowing for Thor.
He got a top 10 movie in here,but it's bottom.
It's not looking great for Thor.
So Thor, captain Marvel,incredible Hulk.
Iron man 3, ant-man 2 this iswhere we get our Iron man,
ant-man back and forth.
So Iron man 3, ant-man and theWasp, iron man 2, original
recipe, iron man.
Then we get the original recipeof Ant-Man back and forth.

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So Iron man 3, ant-man and theWasp.
Iron man 2, original Recipe,iron man.
Then we get the top or OriginalRecipe, ant-man, sorry.
And then we go into the top 15.
So Spider-Man, far From Home,captain America, the First
Avenger, avengers, age of Ultron, guardians of the Galaxy,
doctor Strange, and then our top10, starting from 10,
spider-man, homecoming numbernine, iron man, number eight,
the Avengers number seven, thorRagnarok.
Number six, black Panther.

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Number five, avengers, endgame.
Number four, captain America,civil War.
Number three, captain Americathe Winter Soldier.
Number two, guardians of theGalaxy and number one, avengers
Infinity War.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
We are talking about the best films, not our personal
opinions on what our favoritesare from top to bottom.
It's like an amalgamation offavorite and best, but this is
what we think yeah, I mean thatstuff.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I mean that stuff ultimately matters.
It's part of the reason why Ithink, when we ended because we
ended the last episode doingspider-man far from home it's
why that movie gets, because wetalked about, we talked about
this this came up in a lot ofdifferent when we were
discussing these movies, likesome of these movies, and we did
it both ways with spider-manfrom home, but we also did a
commercial with guardians of thegalaxy.
We're like a good movie,objectively to me, has these

(27:53):
moments right you can, just youcan, snap back, call back, and
guardians of the galaxy islittered with them yes, soldier
has infinity war is litteredwith them, whereas, like
spider-man, far from home, it'sthat you know you get that
spider-san sequence.
But then the rest of the movieis just kind of like it's okay,
give me my throw.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
The dark world moments can't right, it's.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean, what's a good throw the dark?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
probably the one scene where loki turns into
captain america but that's noteven a, that's a two second
scene, that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
yeah, so like it's, it's you know.
I mean there's some good stuff,like when you know Loki
reacting to the death of Friggais pretty, it's touching, but
it's not like.
It's not like Guardians of theGalaxy you know it's just from
Jump Street and Guardians of theGalaxy, avengers, infinity War,
same thing, black Pantherthere's so many moments.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Man, I'm looking at this list and I really want to
put Far From Home under Ant-Mannow.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I still think Far From Home is better.
Tom Holland's still great.
He's still great.
Jake Gyllenhaal is incredible.
Yeah, oh yeah.
And that's the other thing toois the performances.
Sometimes a great performancecan bolster a pretty average
movie, you know what I mean.
And Jake Gyllenhaal I think wewere all taken aback by how good

(29:09):
jake joan hall was, as mysterio, even if the rest of the movie
was just kind of okay, andthere's nothing wrong with being
okay, like I like rankings areweird.
Right, it's like spider-man.
Far from home is 15th on thislist.
It's still not a bad movie.
Like, it's still fine andthat's a.
That's when you're doing 30,some odd movies in your
franchise and you're 50, youknow you get 15, 16, 17, 18 and
they're all still pretty good.
That's a pretty good hit rate,you know.
So, anyway.
So we finished with theInfinity Saga.
We have 14 movies left and wekick off.

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This is the pandemic era, andwe start with Black Widow,
directed by Kate Shortland, amovie that should have just come
out four years earlier than itdid.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well see, I think we have differing perspectives,
because the perspective frommost, I think, is always this
movie should have came outbefore.
Right and yes.
But my perspective is, if yourelease this movie before you
don't get florence pew out of it, that's the danger of this film
being released before you don'tget one of the best young new

(30:02):
actors to get added into thisfranchise from that.
So that's kind of the penance.
New actors to get added intothis franchise from that, so
that's kind of the penance youneed to ask yourself is where
does that make this film fall?
I mean, you look at the fullfilm.
Like the action's solid.
Scarlett Johansson's group isreally good.
Obviously, Florence Pugh islightning in a bottle.
So is David Harbour on top ofthat too.
You feel emotion in this film, Ithink, see, see I wouldn't

(30:24):
necessarily say the wordunderwhelmed.
This villain has, or this moviehas, a dangerous villain
problem though and the fact thatthe villain is terrible drake
off.
You can care less about we'retreading, we're treading thor.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
The dark world level villain don't care, drake off is
one of the.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He's a horrible person yeah, horrible person,
one of the most forgettablevillains he's.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's the thing, though, like he, the things that
he does and that are explainedto us are so heinous yeah and I
still don't feel emotionallyinvested in that character
getting his comeuppance.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, it's great that he dies, it's because and then
that goes back to your point ifthis movie would have came out
after the first avengers movie,when it should have?
Yeah you would have been likeoh, like, I'm like this guy's a
pos and I want to see, you wantto see him get his ass kicked.
And then you know how did lokiknow that about?
It's the red skull?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
thing like, right, that's what, that's why cats in
america, the first avenger, ispretty good.
It's because, like you want tosee the red skull get his ass
kicked, right, you know, whereaslike this, like drakov does,
like objectively horrible thingsto these women, right, and you
still not, that you don't feelit.
It's just like I don't know, Idon't know what it is like.
It just doesn't land.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Maybe he's not maybe he's not in it enough.
No, I think that's part of thereason.
So, thinking about this movieas well, I think you look at the
.
This movie had the like it'slike the bad version of what you
do in winter soldier, wherewinter soldier is a full
espionage film.
This movie is this is the onethat should have been the full
espionage film, but they'rescared of it to a degree, if

(31:49):
that makes sense.
There's a bit of fear that goesinto diving full send and
obviously this movie also cameout in a tough time.
It was 2021.
It was the middle of.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's the pandemic, pandemic time.
This movie got released forfree on Disney+.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
To the point where Scarlett Johansson left Marvel.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, she was pissed.
She was like why didn't I get?
Like I was one of the originalsix and I didn't even get a
movie.
Yeah, I got a movie, but yougave it away for free, exactly.
So I'm going to put this I wantto see if we end up with the
same spot.
Better than Captain Marvel,worse than the Incredible Hulk?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
no-transcript movie um, action's pretty solid.
It doesn't really have like adefinitive.
I'm going back to like themoment thing.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
It doesn't have like a definitive, like moment that's
like a super incredible, butand I think that's part of the
Taskmaster.
And again, the reason I want toknock this under at Incredible
Hulk is because of theassassination of Taskmaster.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Which we'll litigate further when we do the
Thunderbolts.
So yeah, I think 20 is fine.
Here we go.
Here's the good one.
This one's going to be fun.
Shang-chi and the Legend of theTen Rings yes, this is one of.
I think this is a channelfavorite Directed by Destin
Daniel Cretton, who is now doingSpider-Man 3, which I think
goes to show you how he wasgoing to do Kang Dynasty and

(33:19):
subsequently would have done.
Secret Wars after that too,yeah so I think that just I mean
it's a shame that this movienever got a proper sequel.
This is a tough one.
Never got like a proper sequel.
This is, I think, this movie'sgood man, I think this movie's
really good I'm not sure it's atop 10, but I think it's good oh
, that's where I might disagreewith you.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Okay, make the case.
It's worse than iron man one,but I think it's better than
homecoming.
And you want to talk about this?
The moments like I knew this.
This movie has a layer ofbeauty to it as well, too,
especially, uh.
And then you want to talk aboutsolving your villain problem.
Tony luang is incredible youknow where it.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I definitely think it belongs in this cluster.
This iron man, homecomingdoctor strange yep and it's
interesting that it belongs inthat cluster, because I think of
these four movies I mean I'mjust I want to peruse this I
mean black panther's above,above the others, but these four
movies we have ranked right noware the best origin movies
besides, black Panther andShang-Chi belongs in there.

(34:17):
I think Shang-Chi belongs inthere.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Man, you want to talk about the moments.
You know what I always like tosay that this movie has the most
forgivable third act CGI festat the end.
It has one of the mostforgivable ones Incredible,
forgivable third act CGI fest atthe end.
It has one of the mostforgivable ones Incredible score
on this film.
The film looks good.
The action is just absurdlygood.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I think you're right.
I think it is about how I'mcoming, because I feel like if
we're doing battle points, youknow what I mean the villain, I
think, is like a wash.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, because Keaton and Luang are both great and
Mandarin.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think the leads are both really good.
I think the supporting cast inShang-Chi is probably just as
good as Homecoming People cansay whatever they want about
Awkwafina.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I think she's.
Yeah, she was fun in that movie.
She was good.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I like the aunt.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I like the mom.
I think the emotional payoff inShang-Chi is a little bit
better.
Yeah, see off.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
and Shang-Chi is a little bit better.
Yeah, see, this is why this isfun.
I like litigating these things.
When you get to, it's easy tojust throw them onto a board,
but once you start thenitty-gritty, of this needs to
be better than this or worsethan this.
But I think the way that weframed it is, it's not as good
as Black Panther.
I think I don't thinkanything's going to.
I don't think anything Becausehow many more?

(35:28):
We don't have that many originmovies?
We don't have any origin moviesleft besides Eternals.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
And, technically speaking, fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Sure, but I don't see any of.
I don't see Black Panthergetting eclipsed.
As far as an origin story goes,I think it belongs with these
other high-tier origin movies.
So, yeah, I'm cool puttingShang-Chi 10th for right now.
Okay, then we go on to theEternals Directed origin story
directed by Oscar winner ChloeZhao.

(35:56):
This was like a huge, huge dealfor Marvel.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, this Marvel's like we're doing cinema now.
It's over, y'all.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, they brought Chloe Zhao in.
They bring in this ridiculouslyhigh tier cast.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Angelina Jolie's in here, brianina Jolie's in here,
brian Tyree Henry's in here.
Who else do we have?
Salma Hayek, salma Hayek's inthere.
The most different feeling.
Marvel movie Kit Harington oh,kit Harington, and what's his
name?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Richard, yeah, richard Madden.
Richard Madden, gemma Chan,kamal Noonjani, barry Hilgin.
They were not screwing around,richard Madden, richard Madden,
gemma Chan, mm-hmm.
Just Kamal Noonjani, mm-hmm.
Barry Hilgin.
They were not screwing arounduntil they went and screwed
around.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I'm so torn on this.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I still think this movie's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, you know how I feel about this.
You can tell that Chloe Zhaowas shackled making this film.
You know she was a bit shackled.
I just watched the trailer forhamnet as well, too, the a film
where she's no doubtedly goingto be nominated for best picture
and best director, andobviously she the reason that
marvel was so incredibly like.
Wait, are you serious that shesigned after winning best

(37:03):
director?
She signed on to do this filmand you see the bones of like
this, absolutely.
You know cinematic realm, butagain, I feel like the studio
needed to step in places wherethey should have.
This film has another badvillain problem.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
In the sense that it's Icarus.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Which could have played so incredibly well.
I feel like when this filmwants to take the massive swings
, they go to start the punch andthen they pull back a little
bit.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think this movie is interesting in the fact that
it's more so than maybe any ofthese other movies besides
Thunderbolts.
The movie is truly a characterstudy and it's a philosophy
study.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
How long was this movie?
This is one of the longerMarvel movies, if not one of the
longest.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
It is 156 minutes.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's about two and a half hours, yeah which is one of
that's on the longer side ofthese marvel movies, and I think
you know what people thinkabout this movie is like it's
boring, it's like and I'm like,no, I like this, like, I like
this slow paced, but but it'sintrospective if you're gonna do
that, that payoff needs to beso much more impactful.
I think that you know I I oftenthought about this.

(38:13):
I was like could have, couldthe eternals have played better
as a disney plus show?
but like a longer form disneyplus show, like a period yes,
like a period by, like era byera to period piece and like you
start, you kind of do it likeyou kind of start at the end,
essentially, so you start atlike you know the eternal, like
you we.
You kind of do it like you kindof start at the end,

(38:34):
essentially, so you start atlike the eternal, like we have
this many days and those are theepisodes, and you dial back,
like really peeling back thelayers.
But I think this movie was soaggressively against being in
the MCU and it's weird because,looking back on it, I think this
movie could have benefited alittle bit more from being in
the MCU.
You know what I mean, likemaking it so poignant In a
different world.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
This movie could have done what Fantastic Four ended
up doing.
Right when it's in the MCU, butit's doing something totally
different.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Right, it's doing something totally different that
works.
They wanted Game of Thrones MCUedition.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Sure, they did.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
And did it work?
For a person like me, yeah, itdid.
I still think this is one ofthe most underrated Marvel films
that's ever been released.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
It's one of the most gorgeous looking Marvel movies
we have ever gotten, I mean someof the effects.
Work is wild.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's insane, it's incredible looking.
You also waste what's his nameBill Skarsgård.
You wasted him on the fakevillain of this movie.
You wasted him on the fakevillain of this movie.
Yeah, that's a good point youabsolutely wasted Bill Skarsgård
, which, it's funny enough,that's not the worst villain
waste of the Multiverse of Saga.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
No, not by a long shot.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
We have a nuclear weapon waiting for that one.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
But yeah, I mean just thinking about this film again.
It's personally one of myfavorite Marvel films.
I will put the cape on forChloe Zhao any day of the week.
This film's got some absolutelyincredible ideas.
Yeah, incredible visuals,incredible performances,
emotional performances.
You know you get a lot.
You know it's funny, like myemotional performance.
Mvp of this movie it's BrianTyree.

(40:04):
Henry, he's so good in thismovie to the point where it's
like should you have been maybethe perspective lead in this
movie instead of Gemma Chan?
But everybody's just, I think,performance wise.
Everybody's great.
I wish I got more out of thistoo, because I read through Neil
.
Who is it that did that?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Eternals run like it was Neil Gaiman.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I read through that Neil Gaiman run before this
movie came out, like I was likeman, they really have a chance
here, like they really have achance here, like they really
have a chance to, because Iremember feige's like we're
gonna get this submitted forawards consideration right out
of the gate.
You know the film that theyprobably should have done the
awards consideration for wakandaforever that was.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That was the one yeah , so I'm looking at this list
and I think this movie ends upin that ant-man iron man cluster
I disagree with you.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think it belongs a little higher.
I think it belongs in theUltron Guardians 2, first
Avenger cluster because to your,I think your, your thought
process is like the things thatdidn't do right gets it there,
but my thought process is thethings that did it right should
get it up there, regardless ofthe other things in this film.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So I think it's weird because it's like on a
filmmaking level it's I agreebecause I think it's filmmaking
wise.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think it's one of the upper echelon but as a but
everything else is just kind ofstorytelling perspective is
where you really and it's youhave to dictate off.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Story is key story and I want and I want to give it
credit for the ambition too,because it is ambitious.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Maybe it's, maybe it's just under age of ultron
and above first avenger I had itabove age of ultron, but I'll
agree, I think age of ultron hasa more impactful punch.
Yeah, so, and I mean again likewhen you're again.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
You're doing like the check boxes, like there's
nothing in eternalsals thattouches Spader.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
No no Like, not even close.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
No, but I think I think I think the third, I mean
the third act of Age of Ultronis pretty, pretty spectacular.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
And I think I think the thing that propels it above
First Avenger, First Avenger, Ithink it's, I think it is the
filmmaking.
I think the filmmaking propelsit above First Avenger, I think
the filmmaking propels it aboveFirst Avenger.
I think that's fair.
What do you got for me next?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Am I going to get mad next or not?
Yet it's Spider-Man.
Spider-man, no Way Home, no WayHome.
Yeah, this is going to be fun.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I think this is where we have the biggest split in
the road of how we feel aboutthis movie.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, because this movie in and of itself is
divided and divisive in a lot ofdifferent ways.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Man, this is because this is my it's like my nuclear
hot take of how I feel aboutthis movie.
Who talks first?
Should I talk first?
Should you talk first?
You can go first okay, so,directed by john watts, again
leave it in john watts he didremember when he was gonna do
the fantastic four movie.
He also he didn't leave it in.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
He Watts remember when he was going to do the
Fantastic Four movie, he didn'tleave it in.
Whatever it was that he tookout, he didn't leave it in.
I mean, where do you even gowith this movie?
Because, this is the moviewhere, like this is the ultimate
rollercoaster movie, the highsof this movie are like
ridiculously high you'refloating in air to even get an

(43:09):
inkling of what you had inAvengers Endgame.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
This film did.
Of this movie are likeridiculously high you're
floating in air you're floatingto because to even get an
inkling of what you had inavengers endgame.
This film did this and I'm not,and I will never be, in denial
of how and how potent that isthis movie, the highest of highs
of this movie are like in thattop five infinity war guardians.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
One winter Soldier class of highs.
It's outrageous.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
But why does the first half of that movie look so
bad?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I mean, there's a reason.
It was filmed at a weird time.
It was also filmed where Ithink they're trying to get away
from it, where they're willingto make set sacrifice like set
leak sacrifices to actually makea movie.
This was a time where they didnot want anything about this
movie to get out.
Yeah, Stuff still got out.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I just so.
I mean, you know how I feelabout this film.
I don't, it's uneven.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
There's no way to say it, it is lopsided that second
half.
It's probably the most lopsidedthat second half of this movie
is.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
It's so disgustingly wild.
It's the.
It's by far the best tomholland had ever been, and I
mean by far.
I'm close to the point where hewas battling with the other two
like the debate was debatingheavily of who was the best
spider-man.
At that point he was incredibleas Peter Parker in that film.
The I mean Andrew Garfield,just absolutely.

(44:33):
He runs away To the point wherepeople are like can we get him
back to some capacity?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
He runs, and you're right, tom Holland does an
amazing job, especially in thesecond half of this movie, but
Andrew Garfield runs circlesaround these other two guys.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
But then there's just like a grandeur that comes with
Tobey being there, like thisunspoken grandeur that I really
appreciate.
It's just the filmmaking levelgets better in the second half
of that movie.
It just it finally turns up.
I just don't know why the firsthalf of that movie is so bouncy
.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I think it's a.
Honestly, I think it's astorytelling thing.
I think it's a writing thing.
I don't think they and it's a,I mean think it's a storytelling
thing, I think it's a writingthing.
I don't think they.
I mean it's a tough concept totry and pull off.
I don't think they knew how towrite into the multiversal stuff
of that movie.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Not yet.
And again it was Sony trying toplay with Marvel's rules before
Marvel even knew what Marvel'srules were at that point.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And Marvel still doesn't really know what
Marvel's rules are.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
We'll get there.
Is it just above Homecoming?
That's what.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I was going to say and below Shang-Chi.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Man, I don't want to sound like a no Way Home hater,
because the second half of thatmovie is so dang good.
It's crazy because if the firsthalf of that movie made a little
bit more sense and was a littlebit better, this is a top five
movie because of the second halfman I just when, when he does
that little perspective spider,sense split and like the fight
scene in the, in the apartmentcomplex and, like you know, the,

(45:57):
the arrival of the other andwillem dafoe, by the way put in
the best mcu, just stepped onthe set and was like everybody,
out of my way.
I'm the best, I'm doing acting,I'm doing the, I'm doing high
cinema.
Alfred malin is incredible.
Alfred Mullin is great.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Jamie.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Foxx is just Jamie Foxx.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
One of the most hilarious retcons, I think, in
the history of movies.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
He entered a new universe and got swag.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Goddamn heels.
Sandman is literally shoehornedin.
Not present Him and Reese Fonz.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Channel favorite Reese Fonz literally shu hor den
not present him and uh, reesefawns with channel favorite
research.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
yeah, we love, we didn't talk about channel
favorite arish from the judgewhen we talked about it.
Oh yeah, we love arish from thejudge.
He should have been the villainof the multiversal saga.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I mean I told you you should still wait for him to
fight galactic oh, the handswould be right.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, they should do that fight.
But they should do it how shangchi fought.
What's his face?
Wenwu yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, not Wenwu, he fought.
I thought you just wanted astraight Galactus era show and
just Kung Fu.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, I want Daredevil hand-to-hand between, because
you'd think it'd be some cosmicbattle Speaking of Daredevil.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Daredevil was also in this.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yes, he was man.
I love Charlie Cox.
He's the best, he's great.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, I mean, this movie is like the.
This is going to sound weird,but stick with me, he's like the
Shaquille O'Neal of Marvelmovies.
It's really good, but itprobably could have been a
little bit better.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
And that sucks.
You switch John.
Imagine you switch John Wattsout with like a.
I'm trying to think throughthis director list.
You switch John Watts out witha James Gunn.
It's over.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They eventually did do it, like Destin Daniel
Cretton.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
The work they're about to do on that Spider-Man
movie and you see what TomHolland he's like.
This is the movie I'm doing,Spider-Man.
Now you know what's funny.
This is going to sound weird,but like I think that X-Men 97
Really changed the perspectiveon what's allowed, Like no, do
the comic book-y stuff but stillhave it be steeped in human
emotion.

(47:56):
Like there's a balance thatyou've got to have.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
God, I can't believe how good Andrew Garfield is in
this movie.
It's just phenomenal, it'scrazy.
Like the minute he stepped onthe screen he was like actually
this is my movie now and I'mtaking every scene Like the
little stuff.
It's the little stuff, like youever know, like the little
stuff.
When these actors are doinglittle stuff, like just watch
him, when he's not the focus ofthe scene.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, he's always doing something Right.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Like him, like looking or like you know he's
like swiveling his chair, yeah,you Just those little touches.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think the stuff that he does with Jamie Foxx is
really charming.
Max, max, max, I'm all tappedout, man.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Goddamn heels.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Charlie Cox and Andrew Garfield were roommates
for a little bit.
They were friends and roommateswhen they were both
up-and-coming actors.
Look at them both now.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, so yeah, I don't think it's that.
I mean, people are reallyreally high on this movie
because of the— Well, people,have this movie in their top
threes, their top fives.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
They just said first half.
Man, I can't.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
People excuse the first half because of the
ridiculous stuff that happens inthe second half, and I can't
blame them, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
They're like the 2024 Dallas Mavericks.
That first half was all right.
That second half, man, we wentto the finals.
It was crazy Rips.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Oh, Doctor Strange is also in no Way Home.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well, that was.
That's just fine.
That's the studio ad.
That's like the deal that theyhave.
The MCU needs one more.
That's why the Punisher's inSpider-Man 4.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
He's a bit of a dick.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, he hates kids.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
He's like these stupid kids, darn kids, those
darn kids, those darn kids aregiving him a lot of that.
These darn kids are giving hima lot of grief.
In the next movie, doctorstrange in the multiverse of
madness, sam raimi is back.
They pulled them back in.
They let him.
They let him, raimi about fortwo-thirds of this movie.
Talking doctor, strange yeah um,they let him, they did.
They let him do some sam raimithings in two-thirds of this

(49:44):
movie, and it's the middle thirdwhere they said stop sam
ramying, we have to do marvelthings well, this was also at a
time where, like majorzard madehis debut in in loki and we were
like, wait is, is he cooking,are they cooking?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
and the marvel's like , oh, we gotta get this
multi-first thing off the groundwe have.
Our take on this movie is thatif you just do, if you just let
them do the, if you just letthem do the Raimi stuff, this is
an incredible Marvel horrormovie.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
There's so many Raimi-isms in this movie that
work.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I love like the whole , like the whole idea that like
shut up, you shut up, like the,whatever, the.
What do you call the newgeneration of kids?
What do you call them?
Zoomers, zoomers or whateverthey are?
They're like shut up, zoomers,you don't know what real cinema
they were like.
That's a stupid transitionwhere wong was like you don't
know anything, shut up, youdon't know anything you've never
seen evil dead yeah, you'venever seen evil dead there's.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So there's so many evil dead isms he like he pays
homage to himself, which which Ithink is awesome.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
The zombie strange bit is so freaking, good it's
great.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
The stuff that he does with the Scarlet Witch is
crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Which is even more insane because, character arc
wise, it's probably one of theworst things about this film is
that they didn't watchWandaVision, and the conceit is
she read the Darkhold which, onpaper, you have to Don't open it
.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Don't open that book.
We're bringing this bit back.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
The book of what is it?
The book of Ashanti?
Open that book.
That book rocks.
Don't open.
It's called the Book of theDamned for a reason.
Don't open that book.
She opened it.
You know what happens when youopen that book you get damned
alternate universe doctorstrange, also opened the dark
hole guys stop opening the book.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
We gotta talk about the Illuminati real quick.
The Illuminati, why it's they?
Just they tried to do it.
They tried to do the thingpeople were.
This is the worst version ofthis thing, until the flash came
out.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's insane cause like fan cast, favorite
Krasinski.
If that went right, Watts wouldhave kept the Fantastic Four
and Krasinski and Emily Bluntwould have been in that movie.
I would put any amount of moneyYou're probably right If that
would have went right and likeaudiences would have been like
this is the.
They finally did it.

(52:06):
Watts would have still beendirecting that movie and then it
would have been John Krasinskibeing Reed Richards.
It would have been like JohnKrasinski, Emily Blunt, like
Dacre Montgomery or somethinglike that.
It would have been somethingalong those lines.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Industry plant.
Captain Carter is in this movie.
You hate Captain Carter.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I don't hate Captain Carter.
Yes, you do.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I hate what they did to that character after that
first episode of what If, when Iwas like oh, she's like a fun
roguish captain america.
Now she's god, now she's justcaptain.
That yeah, yeah and they justmade her british captain america
and I'm just like.
That wasn't what I liked abouther.
No, what I liked about her wasshe's kind of a dick like with

(52:43):
the super soldier powers,whereas this she's like I could
do this all day and great like.
No, that's not what we likedabout you, captain carter.
She's in this professor x.
I think he's fine.
He's the best that he could be.
He does all the great professorx-isms.
He gets in your head and thenhe dies.
Yeah, classic professor x getshis face ripped in half or

(53:03):
whatever happens there it's.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Is it better than age of ultron, using the same
Eternals logic?
That the things that this moviedoes good, it does great.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, and I think it does a lot of things better than
Age of Ultron, because, man,that Illuminati stuff is wildly
bad.
I just don't like it.
I like them all getting melted,yeah, murdered.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
That's pretty fun.
Yeah, Elizabeth Olsen's she'sgreat.
It was to the point wherepeople were like, make her the
main character of this entirething.
And yes, I'm still saying that.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I'll beat that drum until I die.
I don't know, man.
I like Age of Ultron.
I think it's better than Age ofUltron.
You think so.
I think everyone on the wholelike main character.
I think Xochitl Gomez is great.
I why she's not doing morestuff it was it's odd, it's odd.
I, I think that's so odd likeshe was fun, like I liked her
and somebody made a great point.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
You're doing a thing called the multiversal saga, and
a character that can literallyopen doors to the multiverse has
just not been seen, and inthree years yeah, it's nuts and
she's like not coming back forlike anything no no and she's
like she's a pretty marketablestar yeah, I don't know't know.
She was on Dancing with theStars.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
She won.
Oh, she won.
She did win.
Dancing with the Stars yeah,she's young.
I feel like she fits right intothat.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
They should have fast-tracked the Young Avengers
thing immediately.
Her, Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop,they had literally a wicked in
speed.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Who would not?
Would you not sign up for amovie that had Xochitl Gomez,
amon Vellani and Haley Seinfeldin it?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, you add the twins, you add Elijah Bradley to
that, and then your big redherring in that film is that
Elizabeth Olsen's in that filmand you're like what the I think
it's better than Angel ofUltron, but not better than
Guardians 2.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Okay, I'll agree, there's some cool stuff in that
when he fights the other.
Doctor Strange, oh yeah, peoplewere mad at that.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I loved it Shut up Zoomers.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
You don't know anything.
You don't know how magic works.
Magic is goofy and fun and cool.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yes, because people think magic has to be a light
beam of some sort.
No, it could be music.
He's the master of the mysticarts.
Of course he can fight withsheet music, he freaks and.
And wong is the best.
Oh, a channel favorite, notchannel well, channel favorite
benedict or benedict wong, butmcu wong is the.

(55:24):
He's my goat.
Holy crap, he's good.
I love that.
He's the sorcerer supreme.
Now, because dr strange is ajerk the one also shows up in
chong chi yes, he does, and he'sgreat and he's the leader of
the avengers question mark,apparently.
What's next?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
It's starting.
What's next?
Just tell me, is it ant-man?
No, it's thor love and thunderoh my god, oh my gosh, can we
make this quick?
Can we just make it quick?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
no, because this is, this is a fascinating movie.
Hmm, because do you rememberthe first trailer?
Yeah, it was cool and we werelike he's done it again.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It's the only one of the original six to get a to get
a follow up film post fan gameyeah a fourth movie.
Hemsworth looked locked in, andthen, by some grace of an,
absolute god.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Natalie portman's coming back right and you're
like that's awesome they'redoing the mighty thor thing
they're like what portman's back.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
They're gonna do like a you know, a pretty big
character from modern comics.
And then christian bale saidI'm gonna play russell crowe and
russell, crowe's, zeus, andthey were like and and Christian
Bale's, like.
You know what?
I'll play one of the coolestsingle Marvel villains that's
ever been created Gore, the GodButcher.
Everything sounds great, andyou know what Taika Waititi said
I don't care, I'm going onvacation, I'm going to have a

(56:41):
vacation.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I'm doing a vanity project.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I'm doing a vanity product.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I, I'm going to make a comedy, I'm going to stop
caring about anything.
What a turn this guy has taken.
I don't understand it.
You know how much I hate thisfilm.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I hate it so much it's wild it's so bad, I can't
stand this movie.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I would almost rather it not have had the good bits
that it had the one good bitthat it had.
It's got a couple good bits.
I think the Jane Foster stuffis good With her battling cancer
.
I think that stuff is reallygood.
They didn't hammer it homenearly hard enough.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
The first act is Fine .
Fine, the Guardians of theGalaxy are also in this movie
and they're caricatures ofthemselves.
That drives me crazy.
You should have just got JamesGunn just to direct it, or just
help be on the set for thosebits.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
You talk about a director that has no clue what
he's doing with characters.
Taika Waititi, I don't think,had any clue what to do with the
Guardians of the Galaxy.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
No no, which I don't think is totally his fault.
I think the studio was so happywith Ragnarok, where they were
like obviously you're gettingthe next one, you know you.
Obviously you're getting thenext one, you know you're
getting they made the right call, because why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
no, I resurrected thor?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
no, and you've quickly.
They quickly realized that theroosters are the only ones that
truthfully understand thor as acharacter yes, ragnarok is as
good as it is because the humorworks and the reset it was a
hard reset on the character, thehumor works in a way that the
humor in this doesn't work.
Even though look self-abashed.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Sucker for a screaming goats gag.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
It gets me, I don't care.
Gore the God Butcher is one ofthe most.
He is the most wasted villain,or he's the biggest waste of a
villain in this entire universe.
You cannot give me one moviewith a bigger waste of a villain
.
Even it's worse than TaskmasterBad.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's weird because he's like a compelling character
and he's good, but they wrappedthis in a dumb comedy movie.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
This is like a slapstick comedy.
Yeah, this is like watchingGrown.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Ups, but Grown Ups is more endearing than this movie.
It's totally all over the shop.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
It is absurdly bad.
Hemsworth is solid.
He's fine.
He's as good as he can be.
Natalie Portman's good, tessaThompson's good.
It's too much Korg.
This movie looks horrible.
It is a disgusting movie tolook at.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
It's too much Korg, too much Korg, too much Korg.
Which again, tiger Woods, hevoices Korg, so he was like
self-insert.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
The Zeus stuff sucks, it's not great.
The lore in this movie ishorrible.
This is some of the worst loreI've seen in a Marvel movie.
So is it?
It's the worst one?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I don't care, it's worse than the Dark World, yep.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
At least I think that Thor the Dark World gave some
sort of effort.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
This is the worst Marvel movie because it's
aggressively bad.
Thor the Dark World is notintentionally aggressively bad.
This is an intentionallyaggressively bad film.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It is trying to be a bad film.
It's not Joker 2.
Oh God, Talk about a moviebeing intentionally bad.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I saw that on my birthday.
What was I thinking?
Why is there always a Jokermovie for my birthday?
Why is that always my birthdayit's?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
kind of funny.
Todd Phillips is kind of afunny guy.
He just fell off the face ofthe earth.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yeah, he got blacklisted for making an
intentionally bad film, but hetook it into his own hands and I
respect it.
He said I'm going on a Fijiisland island.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I'm never talking to anybody again why'd you make the
first one then, if he was neverthe joke?
Never mind, I'm not reallygetting that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
All right, we get a good one now we get oh, yeah,
yes, yes, this is where I'mgonna start to get.
This is where my list is gonnaget real.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, so black panther, wakanda, forever man.
This movie, this is.
I don't feels unfair to compareit to anything else on this
list, because it's also not forthe same reasons as Infinity War
.
This movie is also impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
And you're talking about in the landscape of
filmmaking.
You're talking about being inthe middle of a franchise and
your main actor passes away.
What, in the most famousuniverse?
What do you do?
What are you even supposed tothink about doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And it's by the grace of God, honestly, that Ryan
Coogler is the one that ishandling this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
This is where because I remember we talked I don't
even know if we talked about iton here when we talked I think
me and you were just talkingabout Sinners and like I always
beg that question does RyanCoogler have the like?
I knew he was a really goodfilmmaker but I didn't know if
he had the gear to get him.
And then I saw sinners and Iwas like, and I was like, wait a
minute.
I saw Wakanda forever.
He did have the gear of likedog he.

(01:01:16):
This film is disgustingly good.
I think this is and I have noproblems with this movie.
I tonally it's.
It's structured.
The structure of this filmlooks good.
It's what it is autumn duraldarchipa shooting this movie.
It's one of the most beautifullooking marvel movies we have
ever gotten.
They were shooting onanamorphics.
The storytelling and thewriting is phenomenal.

(01:01:39):
You want to talk about theemotional punches in this film.
You know what was it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You want to talk about solving your villain
problem with namor god he getsperformances out of this cast
you wouldn't have gotten likeacross the board.
Yeah, as I mean the fact thathe got an oscar-worthy
performance out of angelabassett.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Not that that's amazing but like no, not oscar,
the one she should have won thatyear this should have been
marvel's oscar yep, they should.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
She should have won that year if they could have
gotten.
I mean this.
I feel like that's the thinglike people don't give this
movie enough credit, like thismovie got an actor an acting
oscar, a marvel movie got anacting oscar nomination I could
have sat there, probably lookedat that cinematography list and
put that there too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
This film is gorgeous , it's gorgeous, the score and
the soundtrack incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
The direction, absolutely incredible winston
duke is incredible and let'sright quiet moments that mbaku
has with sherry in the secondhalf of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
you don't want to talk about thor, love and
thunder versus this.
Coming out back to that likeyou're talking about doing the
same thing, where you have thesecharacters you already
established and you have thefunny one and you're like it's
the thing that it's funnybecause Drax has this problem
that Korg has from the first tothe second one, where he starts

(01:03:02):
to become a bumbling idiot outof it, and Scott Lang has it.
They do the reverse for M'Baku.
M'baku still has his funnymoments, but he's like he turns
into like an older brother andthen I mean, let's get to what I
we, I kind of agree is one ofthe best performances in this
universe.
It's leticia right in thesecond film was it's one of the
best performances in this entireuniverse in one way she floats

(01:03:27):
the line of grief and rage is sowell written some of the
original six avengers don't evenget storytelling like this it's
real

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
see that's the thing.
Like she's not.
Even when she assumes themantle of black panther, she's
still not.
That's why it's so like.
Even like the deployment ofkillmonger in this movie is
tremendous.
He's there as a representationof her darker angels, where
she's assuming the mantle ofBlack Panther for vengeance, not

(01:03:59):
out of love for her brother.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And she still hasn't really solved that either.
No, and it also gives you astark contrast between T'Challa
and Shuri.
Yeah, 100%, you know you canthrow gripes against the wall
for this movie, the Ironheartstuff, obviously the studio's
like well, get Ironheart.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, the Ironheart stuff's not tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
But it's still not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
No, it's still not bad, though and also— Again, in
lesser hands, it could have beenthe Illuminati, if you don't
have Ryan Cooper with his handson it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
This movie looks so good.
It looks so good and it's justpowerful.
It's an impactful movie.
The performances I would die onthe hill that this is the best
acted Marvel movie that we'veever gotten.
I don't think there's a betteracted one out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's a good point, that's a great call, like across
the board, just like across theboard.
Yeah, acting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Like to people that go to Juilliard.
What they would define actingis, I think, Wakanda Forever has
the most of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Danai Gurira is great .
Koya is great in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
You want to talk about moments.
I can litter moments from thismovie the Namor's purge on the
ship in the beginning of themovie T.
The ship in the beginning ofthe movie T'Challa's funeral,
namor attacking Wakanda.
Their descent into Talakhan wasabsolutely breathtaking.
To watch Shuri versus Namor atthe end of this film what a
third act point that was.

(01:05:26):
You want to talk about lockedin for a film with purpose and
to pay homage to one of myfavorite actors, one of the best
actors on this planet.
I'm sorry, it's above Civil WarUnder Winter Soldier.
Just going through all theseisms of this film, I think
you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I don't think anyone on planet Earth would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Well, I know why, but I don't want to get—I don't
want to go into this, right'twant to.
I don't want to ruffle.
I don't want to go into this,right I'm.
I'm too tired to go into why.
Why I think people don't thinkthis film is.
We all know why.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
But we're not going to say it.
You want to talk about usingthe Eternals theory of
filmmaking.
I just don't know, I just youcan point to a couple I like
after the child's funeral, thatbit with like finding the
vibranium drill is a little theever.
The raw stuff is cool but italso derails just a bit a little
bit, just a bit so like.

(01:06:23):
And then obviously val isshoehorned into that.
They're like that's what finehe's like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Hey, I know, you guys are trying to warn, but that's
what I mean, like I'm trying tofind better than endgame under
civil war I think I want toagree with you, though I want to
say it's better than Civil War,which is crazy.
It's crazy that man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You know what I think ?
I'm conflicted.
You know what I think too.
I think that I always talkabout this with the Last of Us,
when Joel dies in the Last of Usand people are like we hate
this thing.
Now I'm'm like, no, you, yourbrain's confusing the hate for
the thing with the hate for thething that happened to the
character that you love yeah,I'm just confusing those.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I'm just personally and emotionally conflicted,
putting this movie above any ofthe movies that he was in and
that might sound weird and itmight sound wrong, but like I
don't know, you know what I mean.
I could.
I think it is a better moviethan black panther, it's.
Yeah, maybe we put it belowcivil war, play it safe, put it

(01:07:26):
under.
So yeah, I just, I don't know,I just feel, I feel wars, you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Consequently an impossible film to make as well
too.
Yeah, it's a pretty dangbecause, like you're begging a
captain america film to have tobe an avengers film but also
have the captain americanarrative and it does have like
good emotional moments yeah that, that third act fight, yeah the
stuff with bucky and cap andiron man is really really good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Dog, dog.
The stuff I mean the stuffchadwick does in civil war is
like incredible.
And I'm not even talking aboutthe Black Panther stuff, I'm
talking about the moment, withhim and Natasha on the bench,
him in the car, him and Zemo atthe end, him and his dad.
Yeah, I think it's a little bitbelow Civil War, but not that
far man it's one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
We need to rework this list, but do filmmaking,
and somehow Thor, love andThunder would still be the worst
one.
Wait, maybe it wouldn't, bebecause what movie came out in?

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
the beginning of 2023?
.
We're doing another bad one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Ant-Man and the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Wasp Quasimania.
What happened here?
What happened here?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Peyton Reed is back.
What happened here?
Paul Rudd is fine, a littlebetter than Ant-Man and the Wasp
he gets a little bit of hisjuice back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But still man, I don't know what happened to the
Hank Pym character in this movie.
This movie is confusing man youcan probably go back and find
our review of this.
I said this if this movie was,just if Janet Van Dyne was the
main character of this movie,this movie is probably 5 or six
times better.
That's the stuff with her, thestuff that Michelle Pfeiffer and

(01:09:01):
Majors do together in thatfirst bit, the first what is it?
The first?
Like 10 minutes when they're.
It's like his backstory of likehow he ended up in the quantum
realm is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I'm going to make a statement.
This movie feels like a deletedscene.
It's fun.
This film is so odd.
This film doesn't know whatgenre it wants to play in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
That's a great word.
This movie is odd.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
It turns into a Star Trek film at some point.
It turns into a.
I don't even know how to beginto explain this, what the
landscape of this film is.
You talk about a great villain,but this might be a good
example of the reverse of yourvillains your hero's only as
good as your villain.
Your villain was only as goodas your hero, and I mean
comparatively speaking.

(01:09:52):
Why is Kang fighting Ant-Man inhis debut film?
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
You should have had MODOK bethe villain of this film and
then you should have had the.
The big reveal at the end isMODOK's being controlled by Kang
and leave it there.
Leave it right, the heck there.
That's it.

(01:10:12):
That's how you build a villainup.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Thanos was trickled throughout the infinity saga
until his debut and he was nevermade to be lesser than anyone
who's on screen with yes, likewhen ronan, this big and bad guy
with an infinity stone, stillhad to kneel to thanos, like
that's how you still punked him,like ronan was like oh, I could
do whatever I want, right thenI said come here and try it yeah

(01:10:35):
, go ahead, go ahead, go aheadand try watch what happens.
And ronan was like oh, I coulddo whatever I want.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
They all said come here and try it, I'll let you
try it.
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Go ahead, go ahead and try it.
Watch what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
And Ronan was like gulp, yeah, I mean, it's
marginally better than Love andThunder and that's not saying a
lot.
I think it's better than DarkWorld.
I don't even Again using thelove and thunder logic of a
movie that is intentionally bad.
This movie is so horriblelooking.

(01:11:00):
It is a horrible looking film.
They literally put them in agreen screen for two hours and
said have fun, run around, doweird stuff.
No emotional payoff in thismovie.
I feel nothing for anybodyexcept for Kang.
That's the only person I feelsomething felt bad for him.

(01:11:22):
Um, the kang lore is like again, the kang lore works so well
when it's in loki.
Yeah, the kang lore in anant-man movie, I don't care,
doesn't work.
It's weird.
I don't know why.
Like, and it's such a cool andlike you think like, if you want
to like comic book, is likecomic book, it right.
And you're like like a coolhair, red herring would be like.

(01:11:46):
Well, janet van dyne found thisman in the quantum realm and
then years later it's revealedit was kang the she should have
just been the main characterthis movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
It should have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
You should have.
It should have the Conqueror.
She should have just been themain character of this movie.
It should have obviously Scott,but then she should have been
like the point of view thismovie's so weird dude.
This is such a weird movie.
I think I said it during ourreview.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
What they would have never done, but how the movie
should have ended, is that itwas a time loop, like you know
how they play with that.
At the end, when Scott'swalking the street again and I'm
like, oh, wouldn't it be coolif I could pull out and Kang was
like reverse time and pretendthe movie never happened and
Kang was in control the wholetime.
They would have never done that.
It would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah, I think it's above Love and Thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I think it's above Love and Thunder.
I just don't know if it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I think it's better than Dark World, Dude.
But what's better than DarkWorld?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Oh, it's Kang.
It's Major is really good.
That's it.
Michelle Pfeiffer is reallygood and Paul Rudd is still good
.
She's solid, whereas, like I,think Dark World.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I don't think anybody is good in that movie besides
Hiddleston.
I don't want to do it becausethis movie is so bad looking.
It is such a because.
What are the all thesenarratives?
What are they encapsulated in?
They are encapsulated in film.
Yeah, you're still making afilm.
Yeah, this is a horriblelooking film.
I feel like Peyton Reed waslike shackled all the way, like

(01:13:12):
didn't even get to put hisfinger on it, because this is
the same guy that did the firstAnt-Man movie.
He's the only director in hereto do the full trilogy, along
with james gunn.
He's the only director out ofall these films to get all three
films are his.
That's wild, it is wild.
He's the only one that got thatlittle john watts.
Oh yeah, I forgot, john wattsgot sony thing true but three

(01:13:33):
filmmakers out of a 37 filmuniverse.
Universe got three films likethe full trilogy to complete and
they just progressively getworse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, you're right, it's not as good as Dark World.
It's not better than Dark World.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
No, it's just again.
It's like again, you thinkabout—boy, do I not think this
is a Peyton Reed problem?
No, no, this was a studiocutting corners problem.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
They probably cut every single last corner to get
Majors in here, which fine.
I remember we were walking outof the theater.
We were like why was JonathanMajors in this film?
He probably shouldn't have beenthe main villain that Ant-Man
beats.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
No, and I mean that was always the concern.
We had that, that concern goingin like how are they going to
do this and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
So man, I can't stand .
But then we get a really.
Then we get another good one.
This is where I might getGuardians 3.
I don't think people realizehow absolutely phenomenal this
film is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
It is the most Wakanda Forever and this are
having an absolute battle forthe most emotional.
It's like Wakanda Forever.
It's Wakanda Forever and thisare having an absolute battle
for the most emotional.
That's what I was going to say.
It's like Wakanda Forever, butit's got.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Oh man, I got a hot take about this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
You're not going to like this one bit.
Where do you want it?
Above Winter Soldier?
Ooh, I just, I want you to tellme one bad thing about this
movie.
One bad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I mean we're at the point like these top five movies
it's kind of like WakandaForever.
It's not like nothing's bad,it's just you know what is okay
and what is great.
I mean the Rocket stuffobviously is incredible.
The Star Lord Gamora stuff isreally great.
We used to be fun Bullets tothe chest, god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
The Rocket stuff is great.
We used to be fun Bullets tothe chest, god.
The rocket stuff is great.
The rocket stuff is incredible.
The villain is great.
You want to talk about anotherheat check performance from a
villain?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
There is no God.
That's why I stepped in.
I mean he was doing the actinghe was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
The acting man everybody's tracks is great.
Nebula is great in this film.
Nebula is so good in this film.
It's the best Chris Pratt hasever been.
Yes, it's the best.
Bradley Cooper and I love andthis is how James Gunna view to
point the perspective to saythat Rocket was the main
character of this franchise thewhole time.

(01:15:54):
It wasn't Star-Lord.
Gamora is great.
Gamora is great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Gamora is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
The film looks so good.
This is where the oddities ofJames Gunn not odd in an Ant-Man
Quantumania way.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I mean like weird science odd, it's still funny.
Oh yeah, the humor still works.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
I love the narrative of this film.
The story of this film is saveRocket, that is it.
That is, oh, that is the storyof this film.
Save rocket, that's it.
And they do it, man, that bitwhere, because they hold the,
the main theme, like whenrockets fully back ingratiated
into the group, and then theyplay that main theme.
I was in the theater floatingman yeah, I think that's fair.

(01:16:33):
I think that's fair to put itthere it's one of my favorite
Marvel movies I've ever seen.
I mean, you know how much Ilove the Guardians franchise.
Yeah, I think we both do.
But I think you remember whenwe were walking out of the
theater I was like man, that wasthe one man, that was the one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, I think that's a fair spot to put it above
Winter Soldier the Marvels.
Yeah, let's talk about this one, because I think this is one of
the more Directed by NeildeGosta.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yes, I think this is one of the more I think this
movie's right in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
It's in the running, it's in the all Marvel
underrated movies Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah, yeah, and I re-watched this and I said this
this movie's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
This movie's fun, this movie's fun, it's a fun
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
I think people we know why people hate this movie.
Yeah, there's two reasons whypeople hate this movie Because
women, because women, yes, andnow there's three of them.
There's three women and a womandirector and a woman director.
We can't do this.
That's too many women.
Action sequences are good.
Darben is a very phase onethrowaway villain.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
did you say when we did the review that she was like
if an NPC became the?

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
main villain.
Oh yeah, if an NPC, her originstory is because Captain
Marvel's burrowing through theplanet and she's just a guard on
post 73A that just gets knockeddown.
She gets knocked down.
She's like I'm the main villainnow Brie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Larson is incredible in this movie.
She's so good she's really good, I don't know if it's a writing
thing, I don't know if it's adirecting thing, but she finally
found it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
she found Carol's voice, she found the line and it
sucks because we're probablynever going to see that
character she's going to be in.
She's going to be in Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I hope so, but I hope it's this Carol, because she's
funny.
She's funny in like a way whenshe's still like she totally
sheds the hyper seriousness thatshe had in Avengers Endgame and
even the hyper seriousness thatshe had in Captain Marvel.
She kind of I don't know ifit's an acting choice or a

(01:18:31):
writing choice she kind of pokesfun at herself a little bit.
She's kind of like a child.
Yeah, she's a teenager.
Yeah, especially when it comesto the relationship between her
and Fury, where she's like Fury,stop screwing around, stop
being a dick, you know what Imean.
I think she plays off the othertwo really well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
And that was needed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I really like her character arc in this movie
where she is so she's only knowsI think I said this when we did
a review like she only knowshow to solve problems one way,
and it's just like I'm justgoing to punch through it, you
know what I mean Like she's justa nuclear missile, like she
only knows how to solve problemslike one way, and that's like
destroyed, destroyed.
And she kind of learnsthroughout the story that

(01:19:14):
there's more than one way tosolve conflict and she kind of
learns that from the other two,like she learns it from kamala
and like, you know, theinnocence of youth and all that
stuff and she learns it frommonica in the personal clash and
my favorite performance I likeacting performance is monica in
this film.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I think she yeah I've always thought tiana paris was
great in that role as well too.
I wanted to see more afterwandavision as well, yeah, but
she levels up at the end of thismovie.
Oh it's so cool it feels like amoment.
The post-credits scene is what,the, what, the, what beast oh,
my stars and garters, is thatbeast?

(01:19:53):
And it was kelsey.
Grammar is beast.
Yeah, that was nuts, it wasinsane.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
They're like oh, but he's CGI.
Yeah, yeah, Of course he was.
He's a big blue fella.
Why would you not?
Don't put Kelsey Grammer in abig blue costume?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
I don't know if this is necessarily a hot take.
A little bit better than Ironman 2.
Is that crazy?
Worse than Ant-Man, better thanIron man 2?
.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I think it's better than Ant-Man.
I like this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
I like Ant-Man.
I like that first Ant-Man movie, man.
I like that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
It's like small and contained and like I just feel
like everything in the Marvelsworks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Darbend is probably the worst.
The villain.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
But is he worse?
Is she worse than Yellowjacket?
Probably right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, she's worse than Yellowjacket.
Yeah, she's worse than yellowjacket.
I think she's a lot, because Ithink that darren cross is a
little bit of like edge to him,which makes him a little bit
more fun.
Yeah, she doesn't have anythingin her exactly she doesn't have
a thing, but I like watching herget kicked around man, that
sequence, that like remember ourdebate, we were like we think
they had like a ghost directordo some of this and nia da costa
do some, and like the nia dacosta stuff is incredibly her

(01:20:52):
handprints are all over thatfinal fight scene.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
There's a dog there's some wildly cool stuff in that
oh yeah final fight, like whenall three of them are working
together and they're teleportingand like, just like kamala's
like big fist big.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Is that the cool thing to do?
You cut the music and you letpeople duke it out.
I feel like this.
I like this movie better than aman.
Sure you know what we couldspeak to?
Why, oh what?
Why what's after this?
Deadpool and Wolverine okay, see, this is funny because, like
I'm a hypocrite, because this isgoing to sound odd I'm much

(01:21:28):
more forgiving to Deadpool andWolverine for kind of doing a
lot of the things that no WayHome did, a lot of the things
that no Way Home did, a lot ofthe things that no Way Home did,
but I'm much more forgiving toDeadpool Because it's Deadpool.
This movie works, man HughJackman.
We said together you need anall-timer, you need an all-timer
out of him, not counting Logan,because you can't, you can't

(01:21:49):
count Logan in this situation.
Just counting the X-Men movies,this is by far the best Hugh
Jackman had ever been asWolverine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yes, I agree.
Better villain, good villainSolid villain Best Deadpool
villain oh yeah, that we've seenBetter than Ajax.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Better than Ajax.
Yeah, second one's kind of atough one to put up because not
really a villain per se.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
The opening is one of the best bananas.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
I remember you saw it a day before me, and you texted
me and you said this is one ofthe best, and I was like I
couldn't piece together what theopening could have been.
That and it wasn't just you.
A lot of people are like, no,this opening is one of the
greatest openings.
Oh it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Marvel movie oh, it's so good.
The needle job is perfect.
The opening sequence it'sincredible.
The opening sequence RyanReynolds is great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
This movie's not pretty.
No, it's not a particularlypretty movie, almost
intentionally, yeah.
Yeah, the void stuff gets a bittricky.
I think the void stuff gets alittle Hand-weaved, yeah, minced
, yeah.
Is it better than Shang-Chi?
That's where I have this.
It's like the Iron man Avengers.
I think it is Better than Ironman, no Better than Shang-Chi.

(01:23:05):
Yeah, I think it's there.
I think it's in between Ironman and Shang-Chi.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I think this movie's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
It's a dang fun film with solid emotional beats.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
The needle drops are great.
Needle drops are great.
Cameos all work, yeah, in myopinion.
Besides, maybe like thejuggernaut doesn't really but
that was the intent.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
But I think the juggernaut was the one you kind
of had to take a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
All the major cameos work like the blade, Electra
Gambit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
The addition of Channing Tatum as Gambit was
just out of luck field.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
That's the good version of what the Flash tried
to do with the Nicolas Cagething Right when we took this
like Idea.
There was an idea this castinglore but we're actually going to
do it Right.
You know what I mean?
Right, bringing Wesley Snipesback was just.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
There's only one blade, only ever going to be one
blade.
That was wild.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
The cool thing about how those cameos this is why
these cameos work better thanthe Illuminati cameos Is that A
I don't think you could pick abetter.
If you were to pluck charactersbecause obviously they use the
Fox X-Men stuff, I don't thinkyou could pluck a better set of
characters into this movie thatthey picked.

(01:24:18):
Like who would you take out andwho would you replace them with
?
I mean, you can conceivebesides, like if you did, like
cyclops or like, but those thatcharacter, those characters were
never gonna work.
No, it's tough confines of thismovie no, you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
The only person that probably would have paid off but
they never would have done itis.
It would have been Ben Affleckif you added him as Daredevil.
That would have been the mostabsurd act to get in here, but
never would have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
You wouldn't take out .
I wouldn't take out Elektra.
No, I wouldn't have taken outBlade for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
No, no, no, I wouldn't have taken out, gambit,
because it was such a greatidea, because you didn't.
That was a secret and nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
I don't think I knew any of those besides.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
The Blade one got spoiled.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
The Elektra one.
I knew because I think theyannounced that they put that in
Hollywood Reporter or whatever.
I didn't even know about theBlade one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
And then Gambit, we were like, is that Channing
Tatum?
And then I was like, oh shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Channing Tatum was supposed to thing in the x-23
which Daphne Keenan is good likethe scene with her and Logan
together in the fire, when she'slike you're always the wrong
guy until you, until you weren't, you weren't like that's a
great moment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
The ending of that movie always gets me.
I don't know what it is it istouching it's really touching
because that movie is a filmabout purpose.
That is that.
I love when these movies havedefinitive like themes and
ideologies, like a film aboutpurpose.
I love when these movies havedefinitive themes and ideologies
.
It's about purpose.
That film is about what is yourpurpose?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Even Deadpool gets a little love, which I think is
cool.
I think the movie is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Both Shang-Chi Below Iron man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Captain America, brave New World.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Wow, we're getting into the last few here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Yep, directed by Julius Ohno, was immediately
announced after the end ofCaptain America Soldier.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Awesome, we were very happy about that too.
Usually does not happen.
It is the.
Did Marvel not have a film in2024?
Yeah, Deadpool.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Wolverine that was 2024?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Mm-hmm, wow, it was 2024.
Yep, it sure was.
That was the only film in thatyear where we were like, wow,
only one film in that year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Okay, brave New World .
I'm so torn on this film,anthony Mackie's great.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
He's very good.
Harrison Ford is very good.
Harrison Ford is really good.
What's his name?
Who plays Isaiah Bradley?
I'm going to get his name right.
I'm going to get his name Holdon, Because I'm going to get his
name right.
I'm going to get his name Holdon, Because he deserves.
He deserves to have his nameCarl Carl Lumbly.
The Martian Manhunter man I.
He's really good.
The Isaiah Bradley stuff isreally really good.
Danny.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Ramirez is good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
He's fine.
The villain is awful, theleader is awful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Yeah, man.
And also this movie got choppedto absolute bits and obviously
some world events also had toplay into why this movie got
chopped to bits as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Sabra is terrible, so one of the singular worst
performances in the mc and wesaid this when the movie came
out.
Just the character is notlikable you could cut sabra.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
That's the same.
That's literally the.
Why didn't you just putflorence pugh in that movie, if
you were going to do somethinglike that, yeah, the character's
just not likeable.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I just don't like her .
No, boring, annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Hater, don't like her yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
That's what it is.
The Red Hulk stuff is fine.
It looks good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
The Red Hulk looks good.
The scenes that he was in didnot look good at all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
No, no, no, no no Mackie, right before the third
act.
It's so baffling.
They shot that on an iPhone insomebody's basement.
Why is that scene there?

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Maybe one of the worst smart villains being an
idiot.
Characters in film Terrible thedumbest smart person.
The post-credit scene ishorrible, horrible post-credit
scene.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Sam Wilson, you had a 90% chance of not doing the
thing that you did Dang it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Yeah, because he's the main character.
He's got main character armor.
The action's cool.
Yeah, action's cool.
I quite like the whole thefreaking.
The Falcon and Captain Americafight on the ship scene.
The surfing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
The missile is bananas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah, it is nuts.
Okay, listen, steve Rogers, youwere mad.
Cool bro.
I never see you surfing themissile before.
He's not doing that.
He got some extra stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I like how scrappy he is.
I like how cute he is.
Like he fights those guys inthe beginning and he's like
tired, he's like sucks great,it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
It's the worst captain american movie, worst
captain america movie.
It's in the bottom half, likenot very, very bottom half, but
bottom half is it breaking that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
is it gonna break in between that ant-man iron man
cluster that we have built here?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I think it's worse than iron man three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
So above black widow.
Yeah, that's fine.
I think that's fair because youtalk about the moments like.
I think, like like the MarvelAnt-Man, iron man 2, ant-man 2,
iron man 3 all have like likethose are like like that cluster
, like 23 to 27, like thosemovies, those are the fun movies
.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Maybe they're not the best, but like they're fun yeah
, and like my take is that Ithink Ant-Man should be a little
bit higher.
Like I personally think Ant-Manshould be above Far From Home.
That's just me Like I thinkthat Ant-Man is a fun, tight
film, Paul Rudd's great.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
We'll put Brave New World below Iron man 3.
Okay, it's like, yeah it'sfunny because, like the way we
have these, the way they are, Ithink it tells me that they're
ranked properly, because I couldtear these off.
You could easily tear these offand they all make sense as
clusters, all right,thunderbolts, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Do you remember my reaction, walking out of this
film?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
What was it?
It was like this is the bestone.
It's not the best one, no, butit's really good it is.
I think it beats Guardians 1.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
I really love this movie.
I think Jake Schreier did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
There's a reason he's doing the X-Men Perfect choice
did, was there's a reason he'sdoing the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
X-Men Perfect choice.
I said this was a top threeperformance in the MCU in a
singular film out of FlorencePugh Daddy, I'm so alone I was
like, come on, don't do it, flo,don't do it, I'm gonna do it,
she said.
I said don't do it, flo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
I think this movie's number two.
I think it's behind InfinityWar.
This I said don't do it, flo,don't make me sad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I think this movie's number two, I think it's behind
Infinity War.
This movie's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
I can't believe I'm saying that, but I think I don't
know if it's a recency, biasedthing, but this movie's so good.
It is so good this, you knowthis movie.
The reason I say it's twobehind Infinity War is because I
I feel like I would guardiansone again to make sure you know
what I'm gonna play this onesafer and I.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
And it's crazy because you know how I feel if
we were doing like our list listlike what I'd have?
Infinity war lord.
I would have guardians one,thunderbolts, guardians three.
That would be my.
I think that is my top three.
I will, I'm gonna do infinitywar guardians.
I think Thunderbolts is thethird one, right above.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Guardians 3.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
It's close.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
It's really close, oh I don't know man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Guardians 3 is one of the best films in this universe
, so is this one the century?

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
stuff is great.
Lewis Pullman, all thecharacter stuff works,
taskmaster aside.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
But it's intentional that they just throw her away.
I wish they didn't, but theBucky arc is really.
I love the approach for theBucky arc because it's like he's
a fully realized version of allof them.
This is what you guys can get.
You don't have to live this.
You don't have to be damaged.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
David Harbour.
No, actually it's not even youdon't have to be damaged, it's
okay to be damaged.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
David Harbour was like Winston Duke, levels of
like.
This character could have beenKorg, or this character could
have been like could have beenMbaku, and they chose the Mbaku
route.
Because they and it's DavidHarbour really operates between
the lines in this film because,like, he'll do his funny isms
and then it'll be like you know,you know, you know, wait, I'll

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be serious.
Those moments where he'sserious, well, you know what it
is it's the relentless likeoptimism yes, and like those
little moments when he's like.
You know, you know, one of mymost like, my most proud moment,
like when I was the redguardian and the streets were
calling my name and I had justsaved somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Well, even when he's talking to her about like you
know how I knew.
I knew like you're like thebest.
Oh, like the soccer team,mm-hmm, because you always like
you wanted to be the goalie,because you wanted to be the one
to never let your team down.
And it's like there's—he's avery realistic like overbearing
dad, mm-hmm, where like he likeis very funny, but like really

(01:32:52):
cares about Not just hisdaughter, he just cares about
people.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Yes, he does.
He wants people to be safe.
It's funny because you think hewants to be the hero, because
he wants the glory.
No, the glory comes out ofbeing the hero to save people.
Yeah, and it's a line that caneasily go so south.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
The John Walker stuff is really good yeah man.
I like the layers that getpulled back with him, where he's
like pretending that his lifeis great but like he knows it's
not ghost is great, yeah, andjohn cayman is really good as
ghost as well, too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
I want to see more out of her, as these movies like
I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
I hope they do, you know, I hope they use her and
utilize her val has the thingthat, like I was talking about
earlier with drakov, where Ijust want to see her get her
freaking come up exactly drakedrakov.
I don't care, man, I yeahwhere's like val, I'm like, oh,
I just want to bring yourscrawny little neck, like she's

(01:33:50):
got a lot of like lex lutherismsyes, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep
where she's like.
She just teeters that line oflike she's gonna get caught,
she's gonna get, and then shefinds a way out of it.
You're like I just want astrangler.
Yeah, I think, like I said, thefact that I would have to, I
would have to re-watch guardiansone to think about thunderbolts

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being above.
It is a testament how goodthunderbolts is right.
So I think three is fine, whichbrings us to the most recent
iteration of the marvelcinematic universe the power in
the marvel cinematic universe alittle under two months old at
this point.
The fantastic four fantasticthis movie's great it's really

(01:34:32):
good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
I mean, we talked about the performances in here.
This is one of the strongestperformed films in this universe
Across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
The four of them are tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Plus All four of them , plus Julia Garner, plus.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Ralph Inneson Right, right.
The look of this movie isfabulous, it's awesome, it's
awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
The first half of this is just.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
The retrofuturism stuff is awesome is just the
retrofuturism stuff is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
It's so cool, it's so freaking cool.
Now here's my thing.
I've deflated on this film justa bit, and I think it's because
of that third act.
Okay, I think there's another20 minutes of this film that is
somewhere in the ether thatwe'll never see.
That should have just been inthis film and I think it was
more character work and I thinkit was one more action sequence,

(01:35:16):
because there's no way thatMatt Shackman was cooking the
way that he was on that secondact, interstellar 2001, gravity
all the best sci-fi what was hedoing?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
It's the last one, so I'm just going to throw a
number out.
Can we say it at the same time?
Are you going to put it 10?

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Because I was going to put it 10.
Nope, I was going to put it 8.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
You're going to put it above Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Or above Endgame?
Is it solely off of how goodPaige the Pascal was, as Reed,
richards and Shaq?
You want to talk about thedirecting thing.
In hindsight, I think that justthinking about it is rolling

(01:36:04):
through it one of the bestdirected marvel films.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Looks.
It looks good good villains,great main team end game just
closes out on just an absolutenuclear nuclear missile like
when the freaking, when they dothe reverse snap and people
start coming back and they fightThanos or they like Hulk snaps,
the compound gets destroyed,the three of them fight Thanos,
the portals, the big fight atthe end to Iron man, like that's

(01:36:34):
a nuclear, absolutely nuclear,last like 30 to 40 minutes of a
movie.
That like, oh man, I I think itis.
Yeah, it's probably better thanblack.
And the end game, that's tough,that's really tough because
like I I'm not sure there's anymoment in fantastic four that
beats the last 40 minutes of endgame.
I'm not saying that it's, we'retalking we're splitting hairs

(01:36:56):
with two top ten movies.
So I I mean there's some reallycool stuff in Fantastic Four.
She surfs on a black hole thatwhole sequence is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
it's one of the best action sequences in this entire
universe.
It is up.
I was in my seat like dog.
There is no shot.
We're watching this right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
She surfs on a black hole.
The Johnny Storm stuff isreally good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Yeah, it's the best use of Johnny Storm in any film.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I told you when we talked about the movie.
I love that he went on thislittle side quest and he cracked
it.
He just solved it.
He mattered man, he wasn't somelike I told you when he did
that when they do that scene himand her in Times Square and he
like breaks her.
It's one of the best moments inthe movie.
Brow finest, that's it.
Is it better than AvengersEndgame?

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Man Pedro Pascal is.
That's Reed to the point whereI was like man.
That opening of that film, likethe ABC special, the abc
special presentation, these arethe fantastic four.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
That movie, I told you that movie I don't think I
stopped smiling for like thefirst, like 45 minutes of that
movie.
But endgame is just thisjuggernaut man, even if the like
this middle, even the middlebit of endgame that drags a
little bit, is still really good, like when tony and steve go
back to 1945 stuff with his dadis so his dad is really good,

(01:38:21):
and then again like the last.
The last 40 minutes is justabsolutely nuclear.
I think it's above blackpanther and under end game.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Fine it's tough, it's really tough, and this is funny
because I feel like you likefantastic four better than I do,
and it's funnier is that I likeThunderbolts better than you do
and we both did the reversething of you put Thunderbolts
higher than I thought and youprobably put Fantastic Four
higher than I thought you did.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Yeah, it's just that last 40 minutes of Endgame was
bonkers, you were dead.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I mean, it's the most impactful hour in the history.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
it's insane like I said, from when the compound is
destroyed to the end of themovie, like it's relentless
highest grossing film of alltime.
Highest grossing film of alltime.
I mean just the three of themstanding on the ruins of the
compound, like you're talkingabout 11 years of work to get to
that very moment of like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
That's how you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Like the three of them standing there and like
Tony being like you know, it's atrap right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
And Thor just being like Again taking a character
that easily could have woneither way, they could have just
kept him as the joke.
But they were like, no, like,no, like this is that's still
thor, like yeah and the thunderclaps and he's like as long as
we're all in agreement, and likethe thunder claps and even the
little moment details of puttingsome tony in, like his, you
know his classic iron man suit,without putting him in his.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Like the, what, the, the, the or like with the, the
gold calves, and like I love the, the quick little back and
forth between Cap and Thanos,when Thanos is like well, I got
to kill you all now.
And Cap's like well, you know,we're going to fight you.
So Cap wielding Mjolnir isbonkers.
Like yeah, I think Endgame isbetter, like it's just there's

(01:40:13):
nothing that drives and it'sreally understated in the
portals thing.
But like the deliberate I meanobviously Falcon flies through
but like the first characterthat you see it's so deliberate
is that it's Black Panther,because there's something about
the way that he portrayed BlackPanther that like he steps
through and like as an audiencemember, you're like everything's

(01:40:33):
going to be okay, yeah, I thinkwe're going to win this one.
Like he has, like this presence,like this calming presence
where, like he walks through andhe gives cap, like the like,
the nod, and you're likeeverything's going to be fine,
yeah, cause T'Challa's here.
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Like like it's such a cool it's such a cool, which
man I'm just thinking about?
Yeah, yeah, just in.
Like that's the type of thingyou tell your kids about.
I was there when AvengersEndgame.
I was in the theater whenAvengers Endgame came out.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Like Scarlet Witch, just packing Thanos up, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Why was she up there the whole time?
Can I ask for one amendment?
Okay, can we.
I guess we both get to ask forone amendment to the list.
Okay, that's my late edition ad.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
I think mine funny enough, is going to be to put
Guardians 3 above Thunderbolts.
If you're talking about a poundfor pound, better film God.
I love Thunderbolts, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I just love the message in Thunderbolts.
You know what I'm keeping it.
I just love the message of likeit's okay to be damaged, like
these movies never do this.
We're like we're not perfectand like by the end of the movie
, like yeah, he defeats the void, but like it's temporary yeah,
it's like a very like real, butthe only reason the void's still

(01:41:50):
subdued is because he's withhis friends it's like a very
real take on like how depressionworks.
Yes, yes, where it's like a veryreal take on like how
depression works, yes, yes.
Where it's like he beat it back, like, and like he needed all
the love and support from hisfriends and quote-unquote family
to do it, but it's still there,which is like what that
post-credit scene also is about,right, where they're like dude,
we can just you're the century,and he's like I can't, because,

(01:42:11):
like, then the other guy comesout like that's, that's how
depression works.
Like it's like I have thesupport system, but at any given
moment, like, and that's likethat's so real, I can't get.
I can't get that messaging outof my head, especially like I
just re-watched it recently andI'm like me too.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Yep, when it came on disney plus.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Yep it's.
It's so realistic and man, likenone of them, come out at the
end of it like fixed well, wesaid like the brave new world
was the end of it, like fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Well, we said like the Brave New World was the end
of the old yeah.
Old, post-2020 way of you knowpump out movies as fast as you
can.
And then Thunderbolts was thebeginning of what I hope the new
era is going to be, and theyneed to be on.
They have to be on their A-game, like the way James Gunn's
moving.
They have to be on their end ontheir a game like the way james

(01:42:57):
gunn's moving on their end game.
That's exactly.
I almost slipped and said that.
The way james gunn's movingover at dc right now, the way
that, like they said, supermanjust performed, it's the highest
grossing superhero film of theyear with.
You had two marvel, threemarvel movies come out and none
of them outgrossed my movie.
People were loving mytelevision show.
You gotta be careful like he.
His big thing is like he's gotto get that trinity right

(01:43:21):
because you have to find a wayto get that movie.
It just remembering my brain.
Gotta find a way to get thatmoment from endgame back where
cap, iron man and thor werewalking.
The.
The dc trinity should have thatsame feel when they're going
against dark side in like 10years.
That should how.
That's how it should feel.
I that same feel when they'regoing against dark side in like
10 years.
That should how.
That's how it should feel.
I should feel something whenthey're walking together.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
I mean, I'm looking at this.
I don't even know if there'sanything that I would try to
change.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
That was my only argument because of how how much
guardians three affected me.
But like guardians threeaffected me on like a in
universe, feel Thunderboltsaffected me on a personal level.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything I would try and
argue for or against.
To be perfectly honest.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
My only thing would maybe be getting Ant-Man above
Far From Home and the Marvels.
I think that would be my onlyone.
I think Ant-Man's under FirstAvenger.
I think Ant-Man's better thanFar From Home and the Marvels.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I don't know.
I can't get there.
I don't know why.
Maybe it's because I haven'tseen it in a while.
I can't get there.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
It's fun.
I really like it.
I like that first Ant-Man movie.
It's endearing.
I don't know the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Marvels is sweet.
The Marvels is said that FarFrom Home is too high.
Maybe Far From Home belongsbelow Ant-Man.
You just bump the marbles inAnt-Man.
I still like the marbles morethan Ant-Man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Alright, we'll do that.
Far From Home is dropping twospots and Far From Home is the
filibuster between this Ant-Man,iron man, back and forth.
The marbles is just really fun,back and forth the Warfields is
just really fun.
I don't know why.
I don't know why I like thatmovie so much.
It's a fun movie.
I just think it's fun.
I like the action.
Like I said, I think BrieLarson is really charming in

(01:45:06):
that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
She is, she's a princess on another planet.
It's hilarious, they sing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I forgot about the singing bit.
People had a real issue withthe singing bit.
I thought it was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
They have an issue with women, that's true.
We can all agree that Thor,love and Thunder is the worst
one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Yes, all right.
So we did this.
All right, it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
A dog just barked that dog.
It's really upset about Thor.
That dog really likes Thor.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Love and Thunder, all right.
So from that's how I reallylike Thor 11 Thunder, alright.
So from 37 to 1.
Jeez, they made 37 of thesethings and they're making more
Spider-Man.
Spider-man is next, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
That movie's gonna be that first trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
That movie's that first trailer's gonna hit like
Absolute, Like that arm up,Absolute powder.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Gun powder Yo, we get it.
You like Thor, love and Thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
just save the list before they get mad alright,
thor, love and Thunder is theworst one.
Ant-man and Quantumania Ant-Manand Quantumania sorry Thor,
tough showing for Thor in thislist.
Thor, love and Thunder.
Ant-man and Quantumania.
Thor, the Dark World.
Thor, original Thor.
Captain Marvel Incredible HulkBlack Widow.
Captain Marvel, captain.
Captain Marvel Incredible HulkBlack Widow.
Captain America, brave NewWorld.
That probably rounds out likethese movies are not great sect.

(01:46:21):
Then we get Iron man 3, ant-man2, iron man 2, spider-man, far
From Home, ant-man, the Marvels.
That's like flawed but fun.
That's the flawed but funsector.
Captain America First AvengerEternals.
Age of sector.
Cats in america.
First avenger eternals.
Age of ultra and multiverse ofmadness.
Guardians to doctor strange isprobably like the underrated

(01:46:41):
kind of.
It's got some things that youmaybe not like it's the most
underrated one it's like theunderrated group, underrated
squad.
Then we get spider-manhomecoming spider-man, no way
home.
Shang chi, deadpool, wolverine,iron man, avengers, thor,
ragnarok which is like, okay,these movies are are pretty,
pretty good to great.
And then the top 10, startingat 10.

(01:47:02):
So black panther, fantasticfour first steps, avengers,
endgame, wakanda, forever, civilwar, which are like.
These are like top tier, toptier movies, there's really no
way to put it.
And then the top five cats inamerica winter soldier,
guardians 3, thunderbolts,guardians 1, and Infinity War.
That's the Pantheon and thatfeels right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Kevin, we did it.
You're welcome.
Yeah, that feels right.
What Marvel movie am I going toput on tonight?
Maybe it has to be Ant-Man, theway I've been talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I might watch the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Marvels tonight.
I'll watch the Marvels tonight.
Watch the Thunderbolts.
I've got to wait for FantasticFour.
Fantastic Four Can't wait towatch that one once it's
properly released.
Man, you know what's funnyabout this list?
It's tough for me to watchGuardians 3.
It's about sadness.
Yeah, there's certain ones.
Wakanda Forever I've only seenthat movie twice.

(01:47:53):
I've also only seen that movietwice.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
I saw it when it came out, I saw it in theaters and I
saw it once when it came out onDisney Plus and those are the
only two times I can physicallywatch that film.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
I cried my eyes out in the first two minutes of that
film.
I can't do it.
I feel that damn.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Maybe I will watch the Marvels tonight.
I feel like the Marvels, eventhough Fury is just full.
Sam Jackson at this point, yeah, amen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Amen.
Thunderbolts is so good.
Thunderbolts is incredible.
Don't stop praying, amen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
That's cool.
It's just Carol.
She falls out of the sky andcries to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
I might fall asleep, so I can't do Guardians 1.
I need to be cognizant forGuardians 1 and Guardians 3
subsequently.
I feel like, if you're going tolike, you know what I'll do.
I'll do Shang-Chi.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
Man, it's the.
Is Shang-Chi and Deadpool andWolverine the best out of the
fun ones?
No, no those.
This is like in the Like Ithink from like you talk.
Guardians 2 to Deadpool andWolverine, those are like the
most of like the.
That's the bulk of like the fun, but they got something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
They're fun, but good and then, like Marvel's Ant-Man
group is like they're fun butthey're flawed.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
And then like I think from Captain Marvel, like the
bottom five are like bad, butthey got reasons to be bad.
Yeah, they're just bad.
Captain Marvel's the best outof the bad ones yeah, that's why
, yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Love and Thunder is because it goes best out of the
bad ones.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Thor 1 is like the most okay Marvel movie, which
makes it kind of bad becausethere's moments in the bottom,
the bottom three, like DarkWorld, clone, mania, love and
Thunder.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
There are moments that genuinely, I genuinely
cringe and that's why Thor theDark World has the least of
those.
I would agree Love and Thunderhas the most of those, and then
some.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Quantumania is the most odd film in this entire.
It is an odd film, it's reallyodd, it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
What was Michael Douglas doing in that movie?
I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Bill Murray was in that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Bill Murray was in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Wasted Bill Murray.
For some odd reason, theywasted him on some character
from the 70s.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Bro loves ants.
Ants defeated Kang man.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
You talk to ants and and then Loki, season two came
out and was just amazing.
We gotta do the shows.
That's next.
Maybe we just do this next week.
If there's nothing that comesout of next week, oh, the shows.
Yeah, maybe we just do theshows.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Yeah, we could do that.
Are we gonna do the animatedstuff with that or just the live
action?

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
I think the only reason we have to do the anime
it's because of X-Men.
It's almost unfair.
You know what?
No animated stuff.
It 97.
It's almost unfair, you knowwhat?

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
No animated stuff, because it would be it's unfair
either way, right, like we can'tdo just an animated one,
because 97 is so much better andthere's not enough.
There's not enough, and X-Men97 is just head and shoulders
above all the other ones.
And then we can't do liveaction plus animated, because
all the animated stuff would beat the bottom, besides X-Men 97.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Which would be at the top.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
stuff would be at the bottom besides X-Men 97.
Which would be at the top.
Spider-man's got some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Oh yeah, I quite like the Spider-Man show.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
But I don't think it's really like Nothing's ever
going to touch yeah, so maybewe'll do that.
Maybe we'll commit to that.
We'll do the shows next weekthe Marvels I really want to do
a DC episode soon as well too,because Peacemaker has been man.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
That episode three of Peacemaker was so good, so so
good Spoiler alert forPeacemaker season two.
But Joel Kinnaman's back Cameback as Rick Flagg Jr, which was
cool.
Find out that him and JenniferHolland were best friends, and
then some yeah, before he wentto Quartzville, maltese.
And the big thing is that theHuntress is canon.

(01:51:33):
So Cara Delevingne's huntress,they they're still dating by the
time he died they were stilldating.
Yeah, man, what a list.
The thunderbolts man.
Man, I love that movie.
I love that.
That is one of my favoritefavorite comic book movies of
all time.
That's probably in my top fivefavorite comic book movies of
all time.
It's probably the batman, Ithink.

(01:51:53):
Superman 2025, winter soldier,guardians, thunderbolts, I think
are my top five.
It's not bad.
I don't hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Read some socials man yeah, you can follow us on
twitter at projects nfunderscore pod.
You can follow us on facebook.
You can follow us on instagram.
That's a project infinite pod,thank you.
You can follow us on tiktok andyoutube at the Project Infinite
podcast.
I think that's everything.
Yeah, next week we'll commit todoing the Marvel Cinematic
Universe TV shows.

(01:52:26):
Shout out Ironheart.
Oh yeah man, I'm going to havesome thoughts.
I'm going to have someIronheart thoughts.
I was just thinking aboutIronheart today.
I really liked Ironheart dude,really liked it, really good
stuff in that show.
So yeah, we'll do that and seeif anything is better than Loki.
It's going to be the question.

(01:52:48):
I don't think so, man, it'sgoing to be tough, it's going to
be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Moon Knight it's the most middle of the pack.
Show that there is.
It's aggressively fine.
Tough Moon Knight it's the mostmiddle of the pack.
Show that there is, it'saggressively fine.
You want to talk about the highof highs and low of lows.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Moon Knight.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
I wouldn't even say low of lows.
It's just that show just gets alittle boring sometimes when it
shouldn't have been at all.
No, there should have been moreMoon Knighting.
It's not even about the more.
Not enough Mark Spectorspectering.
That's the issue.
I think there's not evenremotely enough mark spectering
in that film no, daredevil,that's gonna be fun, that's

(01:53:24):
gonna be fun to talk about yep,but yeah, so we'll uh, we'll
tackle those shows next week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
We got our definitive list there's no more list
that's it.
That's it.
We can't do.
We can't do any more listsafter this.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
We can do more lists, but this is the Marvel list.
You guys don't need anybodyelse.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
This is the Marvel list.
Once more movies come out we'lljust add to this one Spider-Man.
Based on everything that I'mseeing and the vibes of the
Spider-Man movie, it's got ashot.
It's got a shot to be at worst,in the top ten.
At best it could be in the topfive.
It could crack that pantheon.

(01:54:03):
Yeah, I like Ironheart.
I like Ironheart too.
The current bubble movie in thepantheon is Captain America
Winter Soldier.
It's in at number five.
We'll see if Spider-Man can bebetter or worse than that.
Right, it can't be, it can't be.
It's one or the other.
Come on, man, he's the betteror worse, all right.

(01:54:26):
So for me, from the From theHmm, from the Guardians 3 of the
podcast, All right.
Right, that's very goodCrippling depression.
Well, no, well, yes, but notThunderbolts level of depression
.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Yeah, that's peak, depression.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
That's A-tier depression, that's S-tier
depression.
That's what we should have done.
We should have done the tiersS-tier Depression, s tier no.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Get out of here.
Let's get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
All right, guys, we'll see you next week.
We rank these MCU shows.
Until then, goodbye Peace.

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